* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THE PERKS. [00:00:04] GOOD [A) INVOCATION] MORNING, EVERYONE. IT IS 9:00 AM I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I'M GONNA LEAD US IN AN INVOCATION AND ASK COMMISSIONER LICHTY TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. PLEASE STAND AS YOU'RE ABLE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY. YOU HAVE TOLD US TO TRAIN UP A CHILD IN THE WAY HE WILL GO, AND WHEN HE GROWS OLD, HE WILL NOT DEPART FROM IT OUR ENTIRE LIVES. WE PRAYED THE PRAYER THAT YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. WE SIT TODAY AND I CAN FEEL YOUR WILL PRESSING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO EARTH. PLEASE, LORD, DO NOT TURN YOUR HEAD FROM US. YOU'VE GIVEN US GRACE. YOU'VE GIVEN US SALVATION. YOU'VE GIVEN US A PATH TO SPEND ETERNITY WITH YOU. FOR THAT WE ARE THANKFUL, WE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS. AND PLEASE DO NOT EXTOL YOUR RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT ON US. IT IS IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME THAT WE ACCEPT YOUR GRACE AND YOUR SALVATION. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN PLEDGES, FIRST TO THE AMERICAN FLAG, TO THE FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW LET PLEDGE THE TEXAS FLAG. I FLAG TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE AND GOD BLESS TEXAS. THAT, THAT, THAT IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US [1. PUBLIC FORUM] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP, UH, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE REGULARS HERE KNOW, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK. WE'D PREFER IT IF YOU WOULD. THAT WAY WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD. UH, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST IS JERRY HOGAN. UH, WHILE JERRY'S COMING UP HERE, I WOULD ASK, PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES. I'M, I'M PRETTY, UH, LENIENT WITH THE TIME. MY NAME IS JERRY HOGAN. I LIVE AT 2109 TWILIGHT POINT IN HEATH, TEXAS. I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW ME FROM THE PAST. AS A FORMER COUNTY JUDGE AND CURRENT RESIDENT OF ROCKWELL COUNTY, I AM CONCERNED IN THE DIRECTION THAT THE COURT SEEMS TO BE GOING. THE MOST NOTABLE CURRENT EXAMPLE BEING THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING THAT YOU'RE NOW SITTING FOR AFTER ONLY 14 DAYS IN OFFICE. MOST OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA CALL FOR FAR REACHING DECISIONS THAT FRANKLY, THE NEW MEMBERS HAVE NO DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF OR BACKGROUND ON THE ISSUES. THE OUTER LOOP IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, AS ROCKWELL COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, MORE AND MORE DEMANDS ARE COMING IN THE TERMS OF THE CITIZENS ASKING FOR MORE ROADS, BUT NOT IN THEIR BACKYARD. AND AS YOU KNOW, ANYTIME A NEW ROAD IS PROPOSED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CITIZEN OPPOSITION. BUT THE OVERRIDING ISSUE ON THIS ROAD IS WHETHER ROCKWALL COUNTY CONTINUES TO HAVE GREAT SUCCESS WITH THE STATE IN GETTING ROADS FOR THE COUNTY OR WITH A NEGATIVE DECISION FROM THE COURT FINDING THAT FUTURE ROADS FOR THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN FRANKLY STOPPED. AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT LATE LAST EVENING. THE SUCCESS OF THE COUNTY AND GETTING THE SIGNIFICANT SUCCESS FROM THE STATE ON THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR NEW ROADS IS DUE TO TWO PRIME REASONS. THE ROAD CONSORTIUM AND JOHN POLLSTER, THE CONTRACTOR WHO WAS HIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY COULD INTERFACE CORRECTLY WITH THE STATE THE CONSORTIUM PROVIDED A COUNTY AGREED TO PRIORITY LISTING OF NEEDS FOR ROADS. JOHN POLLSTER PROVIDED THE EXPERTISE AND THE PERSONAL RELATIONS WITH MICHAEL MORRIS TO FIND WAYS OF IMPLEMENTING THE CONSORTIUM AGREED TO PLAN. WITHOUT BOTH OF THESE REASONS FOR SUCCESS, THE COUNTY WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN OVER A BILLION DOLLARS OF ROADS BUILT IN THE COUNTY, EXCLUDING I 30. HOWEVER, FOR THE THIRD TIME, THE COUNTY JUDGE HAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA THE DECISION TO GO OUT IN THE MARKETPLACE TO SEE IF ANYONE IS AVAILABLE. WITH THE EXPERTISE OF JOHN POLLSTER, WITH THE INTENT OF REPLACING HIM EACH TIME IN THE PAST, THIS AGENDA ITEM HAS FAILED. I RECOMMEND IT FAIL AGAIN AS THE COURT STARTS THE PROCESS OF SIGNING AREAS OF OVERSIGHT WITH THE NEW MEMBERS. I RECOMMENDED THE COUNTY JUDGE BE [00:05:01] REPLACED AS HEAD OF THE ROAD CONSORTIUM. CLEARLY, HIS RELATIONS WITH POLLSTER ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF FUTURE SUCCESS FOR MORE ROADS IN THE COUNTY. AS A SIDE NOTE, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION FOR A JUDGE PRO TEM AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. ON A SUBJECT NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO COMMENT ON SOME FUTURE ACTIONS THAT THE COURT MIGHT BECOME INVOLVED WITH. I RECENTLY DROVE THROUGH DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND OBSERVED THE INFLUX OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS BOTH IN THE CITIES AND IN THE COUNTY. THE VIEW IS ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING. THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE WITH THE RESULT AT THE COUNTY. ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS HAS GROWN 25% IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. THERE IS NO REASON TO SEE THAT THAT'S GONNA SLOW DOWN. IT APPEARS THAT THE JUDGE IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF GETTING SOME WAY OF CONTROLLING THESE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS WHO ARE SWAMPING THE COUNTY WITH NEW HOMES FOR SALE. THE CAUTION IS THAT THE COUNTY NOT GET OVERWHELMED WITH LITIGATION. THE ANSWER REMAINS IN AUSTIN, AS I BELIEVE YOU ALL KNOW, WITH CHANGES TO THE TCEQ AND THE MUDS. OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES MUST CARRY THIS ISSUE FORWARD, HOPEFULLY WITH A BACKING OF A MULTI-COUNTY COURT AND COURT CONSORTIUM, WHICH I KNOW THE JUDGE IS ALSO WORKING ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD LUCK PARTICULARLY TO THE NEW MEMBERS, AND DON'T FORGET TO HAVE FUN. . THANK THANK YOU JUDGE HOGAN CLIFFS SEVERE, UH, AND AFTER CLIFF IS RYAN JOYCE CLIFF, SEVERE 2 9 0 6 GREENWAY DRIVE, ROCKWALL, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP. THE COUNTY'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS OUTER LOOP FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. HO HO HOLD UP JUST A SECOND CLIFF. AS, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, WE HAVE A LITTLE MICROPHONE ISSUES. LET'S AM I EAT IT. I GOTTA EAT IT. THERE YOU GO. IS THAT BETTER? YEP. VEER 2 9 0 6 GREENWAY DRIVE, ROCKWELL, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 7. AM I OKAY. OKAY. SO HO HO, HOLD. HELLO. YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? HELLO? IS THAT BETTER? HOW'S THAT CLIFF? AND I CAN YELL. WE . I'LL MAKE IT, I'LL MAKE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT LOUDER. HANG TIGHT. WE PAID WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. UM, OUR COUNTY CLERK HAS PAID WAY TOO MUCH MONEY FOR A, UH, YEAH. ONE, ONE MORE TIME. MY NAME IS CLIFFORD S SEVERE 2 9 0 6 GREENWAY DRIVE, ROCKWELL, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 7. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP. I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE THAT THE OUTER LOOP HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR BETWEEN 12 AND 20 YEARS. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE OF, OF THE OUTER LOOP. IT'S NOT A THING THAT JUST COME UP. YESTERDAY, DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, COLLIN COUNTY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE LOOP AND HAVE ACCEPTED. THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE THAT HASN'T, THAT'D BE ROCKWELL COUNTY. SO IN THE SOUTH, YOU GOT THE OUTER LOOP ENDING INTO THE MCLENDON CHISHOLM, MARY, AND IN THE NORTH, YOU GOT IT ENDING INTO ROY CITY AND FAITH AREA. IF WE DON'T DO AN OUTER LOOP RIGHT NOW, THE PEOPLE HAVE NEGOTIATING POWERS. MAYBE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU GO TO THE BOARD, WHEN THEY HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND YOU GO TO THE STATE AND YOU SEE THESE DRAWINGS AND THAT AT THAT TIME YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR ASK TO HAVE ADJUSTMENTS MADE TO WHAT IS DRAWN, THAT'S NEGOTIATION. THE LATTER PART. IF THE LOOP IS TURNED DOWN, AND IF THEY DON'T GO FORWARD AT THAT TIME, THE STATE WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO CONNECT KAUFMAN COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY TOGETHER IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND THAT'S GOT, UH, HOMES BUILT ON IT THROUGH THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OVER HERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM, FROM THESE PEOPLE HERE. HOWEVER, IF YOU WAIT YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF SUBDIVISIONS. IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO, THEY'RE DEVELOPING THAT AREA. SO IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, THE STATE WILL HAVE TO STEP IN AND CONNECT THESE TWO. AND IT WILL ONLY BE UNDER THE EMINENT DOMAIN, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'LL GET FACE VALUE FOR YOUR PROPERTY, NOT WHAT YOU COULD PROBABLY SELL YOUR PROPERTY FOR. [00:10:02] ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THE COURT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND THINK ABOUT THE YEARS OF HARD WORK THAT'S WENT INTO THE PREPARATION FOR NOT ONLY THIS COURT, BUT ALL FIVE OF THE CITIES IN THIS COUNTY HAVE WORKED ON THIS SAME LOOP IN THE SAME CONSORTIUM FOR ALL THESE YEARS. I JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SEVER, RYAN JOYCE, UH, AND ON DECK AFTER RYAN IS KYLE GRAY. UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO, TO THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE COURT. MY NAME IS RYAN JOYCE. 7 6 7 JUSTIN ROAD, ROCKWALL, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 7. UH, I WANTED TO START THIS MORNING BY IN, IN MARCH OF 2020. MY WIFE, MY THREE KIDS, UH, SOME OTHER GOOD FRIENDS OF OURS, WE WERE SITTING AT A CAMPGROUND AT THE GRAND CANYON. ZERO CELL PHONE SERVICE WHATSOEVER. UM, RANDOMLY ONE NIGHT AROUND THE CAMPFIRE, EVERYBODY'S PHONE BLEW UP. MARCH MADNESS IS CANCELED THE NEXT NIGHT, AGAIN, NO CELL SERVICE. ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY'S PHONE BLEW UP. THE NBA FINALS WAS CANCELED, EVERYTHING WAS GETTING CANCELED. THEN WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GRAND CANYON. AND SO, AT THAT POINT, WHAT DID WE DO? WE PUT OUR BOOTSTRAPS ON, WE PULLED THEM UP. WE WERE LEADERS FOR OUR FAMILY. AND WE DROVE BACK TO TEXAS HAVING NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE WORLD WHENEVER COVID WAS SHUTTING EVERYTHING DOWN. IF YOU LOOK ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE IN 2005, IS THE EARLIEST DOCUMENT THAT I CAN FIND ON THAT WEBSITE THAT REFERENCES THE COLLIN COUNTY OUTER LOOP OR THE ROCK WALL PORTION OF THAT OUTER LOOP. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS ON YOUR WEBSITE, I CHALLENGE YOU AS COMMISSIONERS OF THE COURT TO STEP UP AND TAKE THE LEADERSHIP. DON'T DUCK RUN AND HIDE FROM THIS PROJECT. IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN JUST AS, UH, MR. SEVER SAID, COLLIN COUNTY IS SET. KAUFMAN COUNTY IS SET. THOSE TWO POINTS ARE THERE. EVERYBODY YOU TALK TO IN THIS TOWN TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE, TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE, TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. IF THIS RUG GETS YANKED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH TXDOT TODAY, WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER ISSUES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE? NOT PUSHING THIS PROJECT FORWARD IS DUCKING, HIDING AND PUSHING THE ROAD DOWN, PUSHING THE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. AGAIN, I CHALLENGE YOU TO STEP UP AS LEADERS, BE THERE FOR THIS COUNTY, BE THERE FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKED ON THIS PROJECT. BE THERE FOR ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, NOT ONLY IN THIS COUNTY, BUT THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AS WELL. I THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT YEAR. AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE NEW MEMBERS AND YOU'LL HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. KYLE GRAY, AND THEN FOLLOWING KYLE IS, UH, LEE GILBERT. HEY GUYS, HOW ARE YOU GUYS? MY NAME'S KYLE GRAY, RESIDENT AT 25 0 5 WINDCREST DRIVE, ROCKWALL, TEXAS 7 5 0 3 2. UH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT IS A, UH, A, A HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES. UM, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED TODAY, SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO COME SPEAK FROM THE HEART. UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, FIRST TIME SPEAKER. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN. UH, BUILT OUR HOUSE. FINISHED IN MARCH OF, OF 2022, ORIGINALLY FROM LOUISIANA. SPENT SOME TIME IN FORNEY BEFORE WE DECIDED TO, TO BUILD ON A LOT THAT WE CHOSE. AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE INDICATION BECAUSE WE STARTED OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE CHILD UP IN THE SENSE OF THE LORD, RIGHT? RAISING 'EM UP IN THE WAYS. AND, AND, AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT IS BY THE LOCATION WE CHOOSE TO LIVE, RIGHT? IT TOOK MUCH PRAYER TIME AND CONSIDERATION TO CHOOSE A LOT THAT WE CHOSE IN HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATE. IT'S KIND OF OFF THE BEATEN PATH, YET IT'S IN THIS LITTLE GEMSTONE CALLED ROCKWALL COUNTY, RIGHT? STILL SMALL TOWN LIVING. BUT, UH, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN TO MOVING TO SHAKE. AND WE'VE GOT PROXIMITY TO DALLAS, RIGHT? AND I, AND I WANNA USE THAT WORD, PROXIMITY 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO ROCKWELL, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ACCESS, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT IF WE DON'T WANT TO. UM, AND, BUT FIRST, BEFORE I GET INTO WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME AND WHY WE CHOSE TO LIVE HERE, I ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME, SOME PERSONAL STUFF, RIGHT? WE CHOSE HERE, I'VE GOT A, UH, A FIRST GRADER, AND I'VE GOT THE LITTLE GIRL WHO JUST TURNED THREE, RIGHT? WE, UH, WE CHOSE OFF THE BEATEN PATH BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, NOT ONLY IS IT THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS AN AWESOME PLACE TO RAISE YOUR FAMILY, RIGHT? WELL, TO MY SURPRISE FOR BEING IN MY HOME FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, I GET WORRIED ABOUT A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT, UH, THIS PROPOSED LOOP IS, I'VE SEEN PROJECTIONS TO RUN [00:15:01] IT THROUGH MY FRONT YARD, AND I'VE SEEN PROJECTIONS TO RUN IT 500 AWAY, 500 YARDS AWAY FROM MY YARD. UM, IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THAT COMING IN, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD'VE MOVED HERE, BUT, BUT LONG STORY SHORT, I'M HERE AND I, AND I BUILT MY FOREVER HOME. I WANNA PUT MY KIDS THROUGH COLLEGE. WE'RE ZONE FOR ROCKWALL HEATH. THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT SCHOOL DISTRICT, RIGHT? GREAT LEADERSHIP TO THIS POINT HAS, HAS, HAS MADE THIS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. UM, SO YES, IT HURTS ME FROM A PERSONAL LEVEL FOR SURE, AND I'M SURE MEMBERS OF HIGH POINT, LAKE OF STATE PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF, OF, OF SIMILARITIES TO SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL, RIGHT? FROM, FROM, FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, RIGHT? APPARENTLY THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT FOR, FOR TWO DECADES OR, OR CLOSE TO IT. I MUST ASK, RIGHT? TWO SPEAKERS SAID BEFORE ME THAT DO WHAT'S RIGHT, DO WHAT? THE WORK, THE LEGWORK HAS BEEN PUT FORTH. BUT I SAY IF IT'S BEEN ON THE DOCKET FOR 20 YEARS AND HASN'T BEEN PUT THROUGH, IT SOUNDS LIKE ME, IT'S NOT A GOOD WINNER. IT'S NOT A CLEAR WINNER THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PROPOSAL, RIGHT? AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY SURROUNDINGS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE DONE THAT. BUT ASK YOURSELF, RIGHT? COLLIN COUNTY IS, IS GROWING LIKE, LIKE CRAZY. KAUFMAN HAS NOT, RIGHT? COLLIN NEEDS THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE COMING. KAUFMAN WANTS IT. 'CAUSE PROBABLY 'CAUSE INDUSTRY, RIGHT? THE INDUSTRY, THEN THE PEOPLE. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, RIGHT? I'VE HEARD THAT THE ISSUES OF TRAFFIC, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC'S THE ISSUE. I KNOW I'M RUNNING ON TIME AND, AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME, MR. NEW, I'LL, I'LL WRAP UP. BUT IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY SURROUNDING AREA, THEY BUILT A LOOP OR SOME KIND OF THROAT FARE, WHAT COMES, RIGHT? ALMOST UNCHECKED GROWTH. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR ROCKWALL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I MOVED HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF OFF THE BEATEN PATH THAT WE HAVE PROXIMITY. THAT'S WHY IT'S DESIRABLE. I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. WHY IS THIS NOT A WINNER FOR 20 YEARS AND CONSIDERED US THE FOLKS, YOUNG KIDS WHO CHOOSE TO MOVE HERE FOR A REASON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GRAY. UH, NEXT IS LEE GILBERT, AND THEN AFTER LEE IS MARK KIPPET. UH, GOOD MORNING. UH, LEE, LEE, GILBERT, 1 0 9, VICTORIA PLACE, UH, HEATH, TEXAS, UH, AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER, RETIRED TWO YEARS. NOW. I WANT TO WELCOME, UH, MR. GINO AND MR. LEAKEY TO THE COURT. MY, MY FIRST COMMENT IS HAVING SET THROUGH TWO NEW SESSIONS IN TWO, UH, IN MY EIGHT YEARS, I, I FIND THAT, UH, THIS AGENDA A BIT DISINGENUOUS TO PUT ON TWO NEW COURT MEMBERS, A DECISION TO MAKE OF THE MAGNITUDE THAT WE'RE FACING TODAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BACKUP, BUT I HAVE BEEN ON THE ROCKWELL COUNTY WEBSITE, 418 PAGES OF BACKUP, NOT ONE PAGE OF BACKUP FOR ITEMS 15 THROUGH 19. SO I, I'M A BIT AT A LOSS EXCEPT FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THE OUTER LOOP AS, AS THE, THE MAIN, UH, TOPIC HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 2005. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT IN MY EIGHT YEARS ON THE COURT. NOT ONE PERSON EVER EVER STOOD UP AT THE CONSORTIUM OR AT, AT MY DOORSTEP TO SAY THE OUTER LOOP IS A BAD IDEA. OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT MAJOR HIGHWAYS IN OUR BACKYARD. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. WE'VE WORKED WITH COG, WE'VE WORKED WITH TXDOT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND THIS COURT HAS BEEN UNANIMOUS, UH, FOR 20 YEARS. I HOPE WE END UP BEING THAT WAY TODAY TO THE YOUNG MAN THAT JUST SPOKE. I APPRECIATE IT. I MOVED TO ROCKWALL IN 1983. UNLESS YOU WERE BORN HERE, I'M PROBABLY THE OLDEST RESIDENT, LONGEST TERM. AND WHAT IF IN 1986 WHEN WE TOOK A TWO-LANE HIGHWAY INTERSTATE TO A FOUR-LANE INTERSTATE, WHAT IF I'D HAVE SAID, I DON'T WANT IT. NONE OF YOU WOULD'VE BEEN HERE UNLESS YOU WERE BORN HERE. IT IS PROGRESS. WE HAVE TO LEARN TO ADJUST TO IT, THE LEAST IMPACT POSSIBLE. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS. IT IS A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH AGAINST IT AT THIS TIME. AND I WOULD SAY I, I CONTEMPLATED THIS AS I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA AND AS I THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT COULD I SAY? AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER? AND AS I LOOK AT IT, AND AS I SEE THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I SAY, LET'S TAKE A [00:20:01] VOTE. LET'S GO FORWARD. LET'S NOT PUSH THIS OUT AND ARGUE IT ANYMORE. TODAY'S THE DAY. AND THEN WE MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD AS BEST WE CAN. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HADN'T SEEN IT. THERE'S A RESOLUTION AT THE END OF THESE, UH, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEMS IF IT WERE VOTED ON. THE RESOLUTION SAYS WE DON'T WANT ANY MAJOR HIGHWAY TO TOUCH ONE INCH OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT AND THE TXDOT HEAD. DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS OUTER LOOP IS A MAJOR PROJECT ON GREG ABBOTT'S LIST? YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH THAT? LET'S JUST GO FORWARD WITH IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO TRANSPORTATION IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. GILBERT. UH, MARK KIPPET IS NEXT. THANK YOU, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, MARK KIPI, 31 FIRESIDE DRIVE, MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM. UM, I WANNA THANK EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STEP FORWARD. LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT MAKING HARD DECISIONS. UH, SO IN THAT CONTEXT, I WANNA INVOKE A HERO OF MINE. COLIN POWELL, WHO PRIOR TO THE ERA INVASION OF IRAQ, ADVISED THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY POTTERY BARN RULE. YOU BREAK IT, YOU OWN IT. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. HIS ADVICE WAS IGNORED MANY, MANY YEARS LATER. HOW MANY RESOURCES OF THE NATION WERE LOST? HOW MANY LIVES WERE LOST DUE TO HUBRIS? SO WITH THAT, I WANNA ADDRESS ITEMS 18 AND 19 OF THE AGENDA. FIRST ITEM 18. THE AMENDMENT OF A PLAN THAT'S SEVEN TO EIGHT YEARS OLD MAKES A LITTLE SENSE TO ME. IT'S OUTTA DATE. THE PLAN IS OUTTA DATE. IN ITS TOTALITY. TAKING PIECES OUT OF THE PLAN WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE. IT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM OF TRANSPORTATION. IRONICALLY, I DROVE UP 2 0 5 TO MOR THIS MORNING, SITTING IN TRAFFIC, TAKING BETTER PART OF 30 MINUTES TO COVER 15 MILES. AND I REFLECTED ON THE FACT THAT WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2010, I KNEW 2 0 5 WAS GONNA BE EXPANDED, YET I LIVE A HALF A MILE AWAY FROM IT. TWO ACRE PLOT, VERY HAPPY AND HAPPY IN MCCLENAN. BUT, UM, 2 0 5 WAS GONNA BE EXPANDED TO A SIX LANE HIGHWAY. NOT TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC OUTTA MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, I MIGHT ADD, BUT TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WE DO IT. I HAVEN'T SEEN FOLKS COME UP HERE AND COMPLAIN TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. THEY KNOW IT'S PART OF THE PART OF PROGRESS. SO IN THAT CONTEXT, THE PLAN ADDRESSES NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIVITY IN, OR LACK OF CONNECTIVITY IN THE EAST SOUTHEASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY. THAT IS A KEY FINDING IN THIS PLAN THAT YOU WANNA AMEND. 5 55 48 ARE NOT REALLY VIABLE OPTIONS. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER TWO ROADS YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. AND ANYBODY THAT'S DRIVEN 5 48, 5 50 KNOWS THAT THEY'RE INHERENTLY UNSAFE IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS. SO THEY'D HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED AT, AT SIGNIFICANT COST. SO THE OUTER LOOP DOES ADDRESS THAT, THAT ISSUE. BUT I WOULD GO BACK TO THE PLAN. THE CORE ACTION THE COURT SHOULD BE UNDERTAKING IS TO START THE PROCESS OF REWRITING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION NOW FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR, THE NEED TO DO THAT, THAT THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND IT'LL TAKE SOME EFFORT. BUT AS NECESSARY, AND WITHIN THAT CONTEXT, ADDRESS ALL THE ROADS IN ROCKWELL COUNTY THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, INCLUDING THE OUTER LOOP, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ITEM 19. THE RESOLUTION IS FATALLY FLAWED AT BEST. AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO A COUPLE OF YOU, THAT IT'S POLITICAL THEATER DESIGNED TO PROP UP POLITICAL AMBITION. IT'S WRITTEN WITH THE INTENT TO POKE ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. NOW I LIVE IN LINAGE, CHM. FUNNY, WE HAVE A COUPLE WATER ISSUES DOWN THERE. AND THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED IN ITS OWN HUB, ACT OF HUBRIS, IT'S GONNA POKE A BUSINESS. AND WHAT HAS THAT LED TO PROGRESS? NO, NO NEGOTIATIONS, LAWSUITS, SIGNIFICANT DIFFICULTY AND HAS NOT RESOLVED THE CORE ISSUE. THE RESOLUTION AS WRITTEN WILL DO THE EXACT SAME THING. IT'LL HAVE EXACTLY THE OUTPUT YOU DON'T WANT, [00:25:01] WHICH IS TO IRRITATE THOSE THAT WE HAVE TO COOPERATE WITH. 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T COOPERATE WITH THEM, WE'RE NOT AN ISLAND. AND THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE LAST POINT OF CONSERVATIVE VALUES. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE MONEY THAT IT WILL TAKE TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE ROADS IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, WHETHER THAT'S A FUNDED ROAD THAT'S PULLED BY THE STATE OR A COUNTY ROAD THAT'S DONE BY THE COUNTY, WILL BE CARRIED BY SOMEONE. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE LEVERAGE THE RESOURCES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENT, OR DO WE ASK AND HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK THE ROCKWELL COUNTY RESIDENTS CARRY THE BOND TO BUILD THE ROAD NETWORK IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY NECESSARY TO SUPPORT WHAT'S GONNA BE THE FUTURE GROWTH? STOPPING A ROAD'S NOT GONNA STOP GROWTH. IF SOMEBODY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANIPULATE THE MARKETS THAT WAY, PLEASE TELL ME, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA WASTE MY TIME TRYING TO ARGUE A ROAD. THERE'S, THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER, BIGGER AREA TO GO DO. AND I'M SUSPECT GOVERNOR ABBOTT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT ADVICE ON HOW TO MA BETTER MANAGE GROWTH WITHIN THE, IN OVERALL IN TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I ASK FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TODAY. THANK YOU, MR. KIPPET. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS THE LAST PERSON THAT FILLED OUT THE SHEET, BUT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, HANG ON. FRANK. I SAW A HAND SHOOT UP OVER HERE FIRST SOMEWHERE. OH, MR. MAYOR IS GONNA DO THE POLITE THING. COME ON, FRANK. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO JUST TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, THE RECORD, PLEASE. SURE. SO, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS FRANK MARINO. I LIVE AT 24 10 WINDCREST DRIVE IN ROCKWALL, TEXAS, EXACTLY WHERE THE OUTTA LOOP IS COMING THROUGH. SO I WANT THANK THE NEW MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. UM, SOME OF YOU, WE HELPED GET ELECTED YOUR OUR VOICE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT WE ARE HEARING TODAY. UM, THE PEOPLE WANT THE OUTER LOOP. UM, I'M SITTING WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER HERE THAT WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS OUTER LOOP. OUTER LOOP. IT'S COMING THROUGH OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? IF IT WAS YOUR HOME, I'M SURE MOST OF YOU WOULD FEEL A LOT DIFFERENT IF IT WAS COMING THROUGH YOUR YARD, RIGHT? THIS WILL BE AN ELEVATED HIGHWAY, 14 TO 20 FEET IN THE AIR, 50 FEET OFF MY PROPERTY LINE, AND SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE AS WELL. UM, WE HELP SOME PEOPLE GET ELECTED HERE TO BE OUR VOICE FOR WHAT'S RIGHT FOR ROCKWALL, NOT WHAT'S RIGHT FOR DR. HORTON, BIG BUILDERS OR CONGLOMERATE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME IN HERE AND MAKE ROCKWALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS. YOU ARE OUR VOICE. SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE TODAY ASKING YOU TO BE OUR VOICE AND STOP THIS OUTER LOOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, FRANK. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR JOHANSON. UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. TRACE JOHANSON, MAYOR, CITY OF ROCKWALL, 3 8 5 SOUTH GOLIAD STREET, 7 5 0 8, 7, UH, WELCOME COMMISSIONERS. AND, AND RIGHT IN THE DEEP END, IT SEEMS, UM, IRONICALLY, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY DISTRUSTED GOVERNMENT, WHICH I'LL EXPAND ON IN JUST A SECOND. BUT I LIKE TO TELL FOLKS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, OR, OR COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE HERE. I SAY IT'S A LOT. IT'S A KIND OF A PHYSICS PROBLEM. IT'S A LOT LIKE WATER AND GRAVITY. WATER'S GOING TO GO DOWNHILL. I DON'T LIKE IT. I COULD TRY TO PUT UP A DAM EVENTUALLY THE WATER WILL EITHER BREAK THE DAM OR SPILL OVER, OR I COULD TRY AND BE SMART AND CHANNELIZE THE WATER SO IT DOESN'T RUN OVER MY VILLAGE. BUT MAKING THE WATER NOT HAPPEN IS, IS A PIPE DREAM. MY, UH, MY HEALTHY DISTRUSTED GOVERNMENT IS PROBABLY A WELL EARNED. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I THINK THAT FOLKS ARE ACTING SELF-INTEREST. I THINK THAT MANY OF US WILL MAKE DECISIONS AND WE DON'T HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOWNSIDE. SO, WHEN I'M IN BUSINESS OR I HAVE A BUSINESS DEAL, OR EVEN A CITY DEAL, I TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS. UM, MY FEAR IN THE FEAR OF SOME OF US IN THE CITY OF ROCK, CITY OF ROCKWALL IS SHOULD WE DECIDE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY AND, AND SAY NO TO THE OUTER LOOP? IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT ALL THAT MEANS. MY FEAR IS THAT MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY TO THE EAST, WHERE THE OUTER LOOP IS PROPOSED TO GO, UM, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, THAT THE STATE LATER COMES IN WITH IMMINENT DOMAIN AND THE, AND THE HOMEOWNERS GET NO SAY WHATSOEVER? I DON'T KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE STATE COMES BACK TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL AND THE MEMBER CITIES AND SAYS, BECAUSE YOU SAID NO TO THIS PLAN WE'VE HAD FOREVER. NOW WE'RE NOT FUNDING THESE OTHER STREETS, AND NOW WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW. UH, COINCIDENTALLY, TOMORROW NIGHT IS OUR COUNTY ROAD CONSORTIUM. MAYBE WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL DOWNSIDES. SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL EYES WIDE OPEN AND HEADS UP WITH THIS [00:30:01] DECISION. I'M NOT PROPOSING WE TAKE ANY ACTION NOW, UH, TO SAY NO OR TO SAY YES. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL GO IN EYES WIDE OPEN WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOWNSIDES. 'CAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR IT TO BE WE MAKE A DECISION TODAY, AND THEN WE LIVE WITH, UH, THIR SECOND AND THIRD ORDER RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT ARE FAR, FAR WORSE THAN WE ANTICIPATED INITIALLY. UH, THAT'S ALL I GOT. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHANSON. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY? ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP. AND THEN I, I SAW YOU RIGHT BEHIND YOU. YOU'LL BE ON DECK. TE TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME'S BRANDON HOLCOMB. MY ADDRESS IS 1500 WINDING CREEK LANE. I LIVE IN HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES. UM, AS EACH SPEAKER CAME UP AND SPOKE, I JOT HOPPED ON APPLE MAPS AND KIND OF VERIFIED ADDRESSES. NOT ONE PERSON THAT'S PRO, NOT ONE PERSON THAT'S PRO SPEAK. SPEAK INTO THAT MICROPHONE PLEASE. YEAH. PULL, PULL, PULL IT UP. YOU'RE A TALLER GUY THERE. YOU NOT ONE PERSON. THAT'S PRO ROAD, TOLL ROAD, WHATEVER. UM, LIVES WITHIN 50 FOOT OF IT. WE DO. I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE NOTED ON RECORD. ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGES, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIVE NEAR IT. WE DO. SO THAT SHOULD BE NOTED. MR. JOYCE, SAME THING. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE RIGHT OVER THERE. WE GO. COME ON UP AND PULL, PULL THAT MICROPHONE REAL, REAL CLOSE. YOU SURE I'M PRETTY LOUD? YEAH, GO, GO AHEAD, . LET'S, LET'S GO LOUD FOR A MINUTE. HOW'S THAT THERE? WELL, IS THAT GOOD? YEP. GOOD MORNING, TODD. AARONS 1520 STERLING RIDGE COURT, ROCKWALL, TEXAS HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES. WELCOME NEW MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THEIR TIME. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL THESE FINE FOLKS. UM, 11 YEAR RESIDENT OF ROCKWELL COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY I MOVED IN DOWN IN HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES WHEN THERE WAS 30 HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WENT TO THE MEETINGS BACK IN 2014 WHEN 2 0 5 WAS PROMISED TO BE A SIX LANE BOULEVARD, SIDEWALK HIGHWAY, NO LATER THAN 2020. HOW WE DOING? HOW WE DOING? NO, 2 0 5. WHAT WE HAVE HERE, I'VE HEARD THE 20 YEAR STATEMENT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHAT WE HAVE YOU HERE IS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT 20 YEARS AGO THAT SHOULD HAVE SAID NO TO THIS 20 YEARS AGO. WE ARE THE SMALLEST COUNTY IN TEXAS, BUT YET WE WANNA COVER IT WITH I 30 AS WIDE AS WE CAN MAKE IT. AND WE WANNA COVER IT. NOW WITH AN OUTER LOOP, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THE MOST SQUARE ACREAGE OF MEGA HIGHWAY FOR BEING SUCH A SMALL COUNTY THAT'S LIKE HAVING THE MOST BARS IN MILWAUKEE FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CITIZENS. THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE NEED TWO MEGA ROADS. 20 YEARS AGO, THIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT SHOULD HAVE SAID NO TO THIS 20 YEARS AGO, SAID, NO, PUSH IT OUT TO HUNT, PUSH IT OUT TO KAUFMAN FARTHER. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER MEGA ROAD. WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY WITH WONDERFUL CITIZENS MOVING HERE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE GREAT DIVERSION. WE GAVE YOU MONEY IN 2021 TO DO 5 48, 5 49, AND FIVE 50. LIKE MR. KIPPET SAID, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE. NO DIRT HAS BEEN TURNED OVER, BUT YET WE'RE LETTING ALL THE MEGA BUILDERS COME IN. SO WE'RE CREATING THIS DIVERSION OF ALL THESE NEW PEOPLE COMING HERE. AND THEY'RE SAYING, OH MY GOD, THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC. YOU PROMISED US NEW ROADS IN 2021 THAT WE DON'T HAVE. SO NOW WHAT ARE THESE NEW PEOPLE SAYING? OH MY GOSH, WE NEED MORE ROADS. THIS OUTER LOOP DOESN'T HELP ANY OF US GET TO DALLAS. IT MIGHT HELP US GET TO GREENVILLE. IT MIGHT HELP US GET TO AUSTIN. IT DOESN'T HELP US GET TO DOWNTOWN ROCKWALL. IT DOESN'T HELP US GET TO CHURCH OR TO SCHOOL. IT HELPS TRUCKING COMPANIES AND RAILWAY COMPANIES GET THEIR PRODUCT FROM AUSTIN OUTTA THE STATE TO ARKANSAS AND THE EAST COAST. IT TAKES TRAFFIC OFF OF 6 35 THAT HAS TO GO 35 NORTH TO 6 35 AND COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. IS IT GONNA HELP TRAFFIC? MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. AND IF THIS TURNS INTO A TOLL ROAD, WHICH NOBODY'S REALLY SAYING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THEN NOBODY LOCALLY IS GONNA USE IT. SO AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT DIVERSION. CREATE A TRAFFIC BACKUP SO BAD BY NOT FIXING YOUR LOCAL ROADS THAT NOW EVERYBODY WANTS A MEGA HIGHWAY THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO USE ANYWAYS TO GET TO SCHOOL OR TO CHURCH. I JUST LOOK AT, THERE WAS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN, I LOOKED AT HIS STATEMENT AND HE SAID, HELP YOUR CITIZENS. YES. HELP YOUR CITIZENS. THIS ISN'T HELPING YOUR CITIZENS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY. THIS IS HELPING EVERYONE ELSE. THIS IS HELPING BIG, BIG BUSINESS. DANA, WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS. AND DANA, YOUR STATEMENT WAS THAT YOU ATTENDED A BUNCH OF OF MEETINGS AND THIS IS GONNA DRA [00:35:01] UH, GENERATE MORE COMMERCIAL GROWTH. WE DON'T NEED IT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME TO ROCKWELL. WHETHER THIS ROAD IS HERE OR NOT, WE HAVE A SHINING STAR IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WE WANNA WRECK IT WITH ANOTHER MEGA ROAD. PUSH IT OUT TO HUNT COUNTY, WHERE HUNT COUNTY CAN USE IT. LORD KNOWS QUINLAN NEEDS HELP. LET'S PUSH IT OUT TO QUINLAN. NO OFFENSE ANYBODY FROM QUINLAN, BUT LET'S PUSH IT OUT WHERE THEY NEED COMMERCE AND THEY NEED A TURNAROUND IN THEIR ECONOMY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE I DIDN'T GO OVER MY THREE MINUTES. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? MR. WACKER, PLEASE COME UP, TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. UH, BOB WACKER, THREE OH NINE FEATHER STONE DRIVE. UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU OLD COMMISSIONERS FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. I WANNA APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE TO LAUREN. I MISSED THE SWEARING IN BECAUSE SOMEHOW THAT 10 O'CLOCK ON THE CALENDAR GOT TO MY CALENDAR AS ONE O'CLOCK. SO I DROVE TO BOTH COURTHOUSES AT ONE O'CLOCK LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS AND COULDN'T FIND YOU. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE. UH, I'VE GOT ONE ISSUE. IT'S A LONGSTANDING ISSUE. UH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE CUSHIONS FOR THE PEANUT GALLERY. OKAY, UH, . ALRIGHT, UH, SOUNDS LIKE A BIG DEAL COMING UP. UH, THIS, THIS, UH, BY OVER WHATEVER MY COMPLAINT IS WITH THE ROAD CONSORTIUM, $200,000 FOR A CONSULTANT USED TO MEET MONTHLY. NOW YOU MEET MAYBE QUARTERLY, RIGHT? UH, THAT CONSORTIUM CANNOT DO ANYTHING. IT CAN'T TAKE A VOTE OR DO ANYTHING. IT COULD JUST LISTEN AND IT, BUT IT DOES CONTAIN ALL THE MAYORS OF THE CITIES. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DECISIVE VOTE. WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP. THIS THOUGHT ABOUT NOT DOING THIS OR DOING THIS TO ALL THE MAYORS OF ALL THE CITIES AT THE CONSORTIUM HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE CONSORTIUM, GET THEIR INPUTS FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM THEIR CITIZENS, ET CETERA. I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENED. THE CONSORTIUM HAS, ISN'T, ISN'T MEETING HARDLY AT ALL. NOW. POLLSTER'S DONE A GREAT JOB. THE CONSULTANT, HE'S GOTTEN A LOT OF MONEY, RIGHT? SO I, I'M NOT SURE. I THINK HE PROBABLY DOES A GOOD JOB, BUT EVERY OTHER MONTH, EVERY QUARTER THIS GUY SHOWS UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ISSUES AND STUFF AND RECOMMENDATIONS, START BACK AT THE CONSORTIUM. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COME TO THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT FROM THE CONSORTIUM THAT THE CONSORTIUM WANTED. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THINGS AND COME UP WITH ISSUES AND, AND SUGGESTIONS, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOT TO CONSORTIUM. THEY CAN'T VOTE, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. ALL THEY CAN LISTEN TO IS HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITIES AND THE MAYORS. SO PLEASE BRING BACK THAT CONSORTIUM. LET THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE BE HEARD THROUGH THAT CONSORTIUM, AND THEN BRING IT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO VOTE ON IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WACKER. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? COME SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE. TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MANDY YOUNG, 24 60 WINDCREST DRIVE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR BEING WILLING TO BE PUBLIC SERVANTS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK. UM, ONE I'M NOT WILLING TO EVER, UH, EMBARK ON. HOWEVER, I AM A MEMBER OF THIS TOWN, AND WHEN WE MOVED AND BUILT OUR PROPERTY ON WINDCREST DRIVE, I'M A MOTHER OF EIGHT CHILDREN. WE HOMESCHOOL. WE ARE ALWAYS AT HOME. AND WE DROVE AROUND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TRYING TO FIND A PLACE WHERE WE COULD BUILD A HOME FOR OUR KIDS, WHERE WE WERE SPENDING TIME OUT IN GOD'S GREAT COUNTRY. AND IT'S HARDER AND HARDER TO FIND WHEN, UM, TO FIND TREES, TO FIND PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE WITH THE LORD. AND WE FOUND IT WHERE, SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE BOUGHT, AND WE HAVE THE BACK. HALF ACRE IS ALL WOODS. AND ON THIS PROPOSAL, THIS BACK HALF ACRE WILL NOW BE WOODS ADJACENT TO AN EIGHT LANE OR HOWEVER BIG IT IS. HIGHWAY. UM, I JUST WANTED JUST TO, TO OUR HOME IS ABOUT OUR PROPERTY. IT'S NOT ABOUT OUR HOUSE, IT'S ABOUT WHERE WE SPEND TIME WITH OUR KIDS. IT'S ABOUT OUR FIRE PIT. IT'S ABOUT, UM, OUR PRAYER PATH THAT MY HUSBAND BUILT, WALKING AROUND OUR BACK ACREAGE. UM, IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST COMMERCIAL AND BRINGING THINGS TO THIS, TO THIS COUNTY. PEOPLE LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF, LIKE HE SAID, THE PROXIMITY TO DALLAS, BUT IT'S NOT DALLAS. SO THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OH, AND ALSO, I WANNA SAY, I GET IT THAT IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 2005. I GUESS TRANSPARENCY IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BUY PROPERTY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TOLD ABOUT THINGS FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. THIS WAS NEVER TOLD TO US, OR WE WOULD'VE KEPT LOOKING. WE WOULD'VE GONE TO GREENVILLE. WE WOULD'VE GONE ELSEWHERE HAD WE HAD ANY IDEA THAT THIS WAS EVEN A POSSIBILITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MANDY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? ALL RIGHT, [00:40:01] SEE YOU. NO ONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER [2. Discuss/Act on the Rockwall County Strategic Plan 2050, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ROCK WALL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER MACK. THANK YOU, JUDGE. UM, I'M GONNA KEEP IT SHORT. WE ARE IN THE EDITING PHASE. UM, WE RECEIVED ON DECEMBER 20TH A DRAFT FROM OUR CONSULTANT BAKER TILLY, UM, WITH THE WRITEUP FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WE HAVE A, A SMALL GROUP OF, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT AGREED TO HELP US FROM AN EDITING STANDPOINT. AND WE HOPE TO HAVE, UM, ALL OF THAT COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT, UM, 10 DAYS. AND THEN WE'LL RETURN IT BACK TO, TO BAKER TILLY, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE CHANGES MADE AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK ON, ON CHART. WE'LL BE ON ON, ON CHART FOR US TO STILL PRESENT THIS TO THE COURT FOR ADOPTION, UM, FOR REVIEW, AND THEN HOPEFULLY ADOPTION. WHAT IS THE TIMING ON IT COMING TO US? UM, I DON'T WANNA HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT NO, DON'T, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S YOU. THAT'S A VERY VAGUE, UM, PROBABLY YEAH. MARK. YEAH, I'M GONNA ASK MARK. KIPP, I, I THINK IT'S THE SOME TIME IN FEBRUARY, SO HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT RIGHT AROUND THE 10TH, I THINK, BUT DON'T HOLD ME. LET HIM TELL YOU. UH, THE PLAN IS, WILL BE DELIVERED, UH, FORMALLY TO ROCKWELL COUNTY. THE FINAL PLAN, FINAL DRAFT, I GUESS IS THE WAY TO SAY THAT, UH, AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. MM-HMM . THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON THE 11TH OF MARCH. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. MM-HMM . AND THEN AT THE, SIMULTANEOUSLY IT WILL BE HUNG ON THE WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. THEN THE FOLLOWING, I'M STEALING THAT HUNG ON THE WEBSITE. I REALLY LIKE THAT PHRASE. ANYWAYS, YOU COULD CONTINUE. I'VE NEVER HEARD SOMEONE SAY WE'RE GONNA HANG ON THE WEBSITE. HANG IT ON THE WEBSITE. SORRY. WHERE'S MY IT FRIENDS? I GUESS THEY, THEY WOULD TELL ME THAT IT'S PROBABLY OKAY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE PUT ON, PLACED ON THE WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. MM-HMM . UH, THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW IS, UH, ROUGHLY 60 PAGES LONG. SO IT'S NOT A, NOT A TOME. YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN READ IT IN ONE SITTING, UH, AND THEN THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO A PUBLIC HEARING THAT I UNDERSTAND IS GONNA BE SCHEDULED AT THE SECOND MEETING OF MARCH. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE COURT WOULD ACT, UH, OR CONSIDER AND ACT FOR ADOPTION ON THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL. JOHN, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? COMMISSIONER? IT ANSWERED MY QUESTION PERFECTLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARK. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO. NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALL, ALL THE HARD WORK. IT'S, IT'S COMING, COMING TO A HEAD, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO [3. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Judge New)] AGENDA ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM EDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. I WAS HOPING SALVADOR WAS IN HERE SOMEWHERE. THE BACK, UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE HAVE A MEETING SET TOMORROW FOR A PRE-CONSTRUCTION KICKOFF. UM, HELEN WILL GET SEND CONTRACTS BEEN SIGNED AND EXECUTED. JUDGE NEW HAD A COUPLE INITIALS ON EXHIBITS THAT WE GOT BACK YESTERDAY. WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY. YEAH, JUDGE NEW HAD A FEW INITIALS. WE HAD TO GET BACK ON SOME EXHIBITS FOR THE CONTRACT YESTERDAY, AND THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. UM, SO NOW, UH, WE JUST NEED A, A KICKOFF. WE'RE READY TO GO. HAS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, GALANA WHO, WHO WE, UH, APPOINTED BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE TO THIS PROJECT? UM, I, I JUST, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT IS I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE HIS NAME ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GOING FORWARD. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, THAT HE IS GONNA PLAY A BIG PART IN SHAPING THIS PROJECT. YEAH, I, I WAS GONNA BREAK THAT BAD NEWS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE MY NAME ON IT. UH, IT WILL BE COMMISSIONER GALA. YES. AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO INCLUDE YOU ON THE MEETING. IT'S A 10 30 MEETING TOMORROW. BE VIRTUAL. UM, JUDGE NES ALREADY ACCEPTED. 10 LEE. I THINK SO. UM, WE, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET YOU INPUT FROM HERE. I'LL, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SALVADOR? PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [4. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the planned County Annex project, and all related issues; (Judge New)] ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE PLAN COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. HERE COMES OUR FRIENDS WITH BROADUS. HEY, GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M CHRISTY JONES WITH BROADUS. WE'VE GOT NICO HERE, SO HE'S GONNA START GETTING ALL THE TECHNOLOGY PLUGGED IN. THE GOOD NEWS. WE ARE STILL ON SCHEDULE AND WE ARE ON BUDGET, ACTUALLY UNDER BUDGET. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME UPCOMING PCOS FOR NEXT COURT, BUT WE WON'T HAVE ANY FOR THIS TIME. UH, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAVE NICO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE JOB SITE. MORNING EVERYONE, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE NEW, UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS NICO PARKS WITH BROADEST AND ASSOCIATES. I'LL BE PROVIDING THE CONSTRUCTION UPDATE. UM, SAFETY WISE, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN NO INCIDENTS TO REPORT [00:45:01] ON. UH, SAFETY CONTINUES TO BE ENFORCED ON THE JOB SITE EVERY DAY. UH, AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED, WE ARE PERFORMING UNDER BUDGET, UM, WITH SEVERAL PCOS KIND OF IN THE BULLPEN, UH, FOR APPROVAL. WE ARE CURRENTLY ON SCHEDULE. UM, LAST WEEK WAS A HARD WEEK BECAUSE WE HAD PLANNED TO DO THE STRUCTURAL SLAB POUR. SO WE ESSENTIALLY LOST A WEEK, THE WEEK THAT WE WERE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WE KIND OF LOST THAT. SO WE'RE JUST, UH, RIGHT ON, ON SCHEDULE WITH THE, THE SEVEN SEVEN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETE. SO, UM, AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TOMORROW TO ACTUALLY, UH, COMMENCE THAT POUR. SO THE GUYS WILL BE THERE BRIGHT AND EARLY. WHAT IS BRIGHT AND EARLY 1:00 AM YES. YES. , THEY'LL START POURING CONCRETE FOR WHAT, 13 HOURS? THEY'LL BE THERE UNTIL 4:00 PM THAT'S EARLY. NOT QUITE REALLY BRIGHT. THAT'S, I WAS SAY, IT'S NOT BRIGHT AND EARLY. THAT'S JUST EARLY CATEGORIZE THAT AS LATE. OKAY. DEPENDS ON HOW OLD YOU ARE. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO GET THAT ACTIVITY STARTED. YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SORRY. UM, THE PAST FEW WEEKS, THE GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, PREPARING FOR THE, THE POUR. SO OBVIOUSLY LAYING DOWN THE REBAR, THE, THE VAPOR BARRIER, GETTING TERMITE PROTECTION. UH, THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS THERE ROUGHING IN HIS FLOOR BOXES. AND THAT'S THE PHOTO THAT'S ABOVE WITH THE REBAR IN THE VAPOR BARRIER. YEP. YEAH, THAT'S SOME OF THE PREPARATION WORK. UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THEY'VE BEEN OUTSIDE, UH, CONNECTING SOME OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING SCUPPERS, THE STORM DRAIN SCUPPERS TO THE, THE MAIN 18 INCH STORM MAIN. UM, THEY GOT THE GAS METER AND MANIFOLD, UH, INSTALLED AS WELL. UM, SO WE ARE, THEY ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS, UM, AND THINGS ARE GOING WELL ON SITE. UH, THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON OBVIOUSLY THE, THE STRUCTURAL SLAB POUR, BUT ALSO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE, THE PORE AT THE COURTHOUSE ENTRANCE AND, UH, FROM EXPANSION JOINT TO EXPANSION JOINT. AND THERE'S, UH, SOME CURBS IN THERE AS WELL. UH, AND WE'LL BE MATCHING THE EXISTING, UH, CONCRETE. UH, AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO BE FOCUSING ON, UH, POURING THE FIRE LANES, UM, SETTING, SETTING WINDOWS AT THE CLEAR STORY. AND ALSO, UM, THE EFIS, UH, EXTERIOR FINISHES AT THE CLEAR STORY. SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES A GLANCE AHEAD AT WHAT'S TO COME, UH, PROCUREMENT WISE. UH, HILL AND WILKINSON IS DOING A GREAT JOB ALSO. UH, I THINK ALL OF THE LONG LEAD ITEMS ARE ALREADY PROCURED AND ARE BEING HELD OFFSITE AS FAR AS RTUS, UM, ROOFTOP UNITS. , YEAH. ROOFTOP UNITS. THE, THE GENERATOR, UH, THE TRANSFER SWITCH, UM, ALUMINUM STOREFRONT ALL HAVE BEEN PROCURED IN OUR OFFSITE CURRENTLY. UM, UM, SO THEY'RE DOING WELL. UM, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP CRANKING AWAY. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE NICO. UM, SO WHEN WE DO, WHEN YOU DO COMPLETE THE STRUCTURAL SLAB POUR, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST RIGHT ON SCHEDULE NOW BASED ON LAST WEEK'S COLD WEATHER. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES. THAT WILL THEN HELP US TO CONTINUE TO STAY ON SCHEDULE. 'CAUSE WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE WALLS UP. WE HAVE THE, AND YOU CAN REALLY START WORKING ON THE INSIDE AND THE WEATHER SHOULDN'T PROHIBIT TOO MUCH. IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE STRUCTURAL SLAB MM-HMM . DONE TO, UH, STARTED TOMORROW. UH, BECAUSE IT IS ON THE CRITICAL PATH. YEAH. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T START OTHER ACTIVITIES WITHOUT THAT FIRST, SO, SO ALL'S GOOD. YEP. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND WHEN WE, UH, GET THE AREA FRAMED, AT LEAST ONE SIDE, WE CAN START SETTING UP SOME TOURS. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. NOT FOR YOU ALL. THANKS FOR YOUR REPORT. NOT THAT I'M DISMISSING YOU EITHER, BUT FOR THE COURT AND JUDGE NEW, I GUESS FOR YOU, THEY SAID THEY WILL BE DONE PROJECTED SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION ON JULY 7TH. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE IN AS CLOSE TO JULY 8TH AS POSSIBLE? ARE ALL THOSE PLANS IN PROCESS Y YES, THEY ARE, BUT I, WHAT I HAVE, UH, ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO DO IS NOT LOOK AT THAT AS A HARD DATE. WHILE THAT IS A HARD DATE, UH, LET, LET'S GET ABOUT APRIL AND, AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION OF, IS THAT A HARD DATE? UM, SO FAR UP UNTIL TODAY WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN, BEEN ABLE TO NOT SAY THAT A HARD DATE, UH, OKAY. OUT, OUT LOUD. UM, AND, AND NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE IT , BUT I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT, UH, YEAH, THERE WAS CERTAIN, CERTAINLY BE SOME ACTIVITY AFTER THAT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, UH, FOR ACTIVATION [00:50:01] COMMISSIONING. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, UH, FURNITURE MOVE IN TECHNOLOGY STUFF THAT HAS TO BE, THAT HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH, UM, AFTER THAT DATE. YEAH, I DON'T DOUBT THAT. I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT THE DAY THAT THEY HAND US THE KEYS AND NO, THAT'S AWAY WHEN WE START FURNITURE AND, AND EQUIPMENT INSTALLATION. NO. I, I DON'T DOUBT THAT. I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. UM, I DO KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT'S LATE, UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNTY ARE PLANNING TO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THOSE PROCESS FOR THOSE MOVES TO BE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AFTER THAT DATE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE SO GREAT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WANNA, ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU, WE CAN STAY ONE MORE . YEAH. AND GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. IT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER [5. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff's remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF REMODEL PROJECT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACEY? SO I JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE, AND, AND, AND NICO CAN CORRECT ME, BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE A BIG MEETING ON THURSDAY, UM, THAT'S GONNA REALLY KIND OF SHARPEN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND OUR PLAN IS TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN APRIL. SO WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T DEVIATED FROM THAT. UM, WE HAD AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, UH, A COUPLE DAYS AGO. WE STILL THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, BUT I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS MEETING ON THURSDAY BEFORE WE HAVE REALLY ANY REAL UPDATES, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE OWNER'S REP, THAT THE CONTRACTORS, THAT EVERYONE IS 100% ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT WE'RE GOOD WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE TELLING THE SUBS, WHAT WE WANT TO TELL THE SUBS. AND THEN THAT I, I JUST DON'T WANNA PUT ANY KIND OF DEADLINE INTO THE PUBLIC, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE GMP THE LAST OF MARCH AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN APRIL. IF WE DEVIATE FROM THAT, I'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH, I HAVE NOTHING. THAT WAS THE UPDATE. YEAH, . ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY OR NICO OR CHRISTINA? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, [6. Discuss/Act on approving the Environmental Health Coordinators office to add credit cards as a form of payment, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - Environmental Health)] DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR'S OFFICE TO ADD CREDIT CARDS AS A FORM OF PAYMENT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, AND I'M GONNA PUNT TO CARISSA, PUT BOTH OF THEM DOWN THERE AND TALK LOUD. PUT 'EM BOTH RIGHT HERE. , IT HELPS ME IN SHORT SOMETIMES. UM, YES. SO I'VE ASKED FOR THIS TO GO ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE NOT TAKEN CREDIT CARDS AS A FORM OF PAYMENT, UH, UNTIL NOW. OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN THAT THEY ARE NOT AWARE THAT WE ONLY TAKE CASH OR CHECKS, UH, MORE SO IN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES OR PAYING FOR AN OSSF PERMIT. UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS A PAYMENT OPTION TO PEOPLE JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM WHEN THEY COME INTO THE OFFICE. AT THIS TIME. THERE IS NO INTENT TO MAKE AN ONLINE APPLICATION PERMITTING PROCESS. IT'S JUST THE FIRST STEP OF ADDING A NEW PAYMENT. AND THEN MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADDING SOME OTHER ONLINE, UH, PO OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE TO DOING THAT OF HAVING CREDIT CARDS? UHHUH, . I HAVE ONE MORE REPORT TO RUN . ONE MORE REPORT TO RUN. YEAH. UM, AND, AND SO IS THAT CREDIT CARD, DOES THAT LINK TO THE AUDITOR? DOES IT LINK TO THE TREASURER? WE STARTED IN THE TREASURER AND ALL THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH. WELL, YEAH, WE WERE Y DO AS WELL, BUT YEAH. YEAH. OH, AND DID YOU SET UP A NEW CHECKING ACCOUNT WITH MANAGER'S OFFICE? SO, TALKED TO MARIA ALREADY. SHE SENT MESSAGE TO ELENA TO ASK ABOUT NEEDING THE ACCOUNT TO BE OPENED. UM, AND THEN THE SUGGESTION WAS TO BRING IT HERE, LET THEM APPROVE IT, AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GONNA USE CERTIFIED PAYMENTS? CERTIFIED PAYMENTS? YES, MA'AM. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. UH, AND PROBABLY DIRECTED TO LISA, THE AUDITOR. I, I MEAN, THIS SEEMS LIKE, WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT ALREADY? OR I'M ASSUMING WE'RE ACCEPTING CREDIT CARDS OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTY? YES. IT'S USUALLY A DEPARTMENT THAT DECIDES WHETHER THEY WANT TO ACCEPT THAT FORM OF PAYMENT. SO, BUT YES, WE DO ACCEPT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTYWIDE DECISION ON HOW TO PAY FOR THINGS. NO, SIR. EVERY, EVERY OFFICE IS IN CONTROL BASICALLY OF THEIR OWN. SO EVERY MAN DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IN HIS OWN EYES. INTERESTING. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WELCOME TO COUNTY GOVERNMENT. . BE GENTLE. UH, ACTUALLY CERTIFIED PAYMENTS IS USED. WE, WE DO STICK TO ONE, ONE FORM [00:55:01] AND THEN THEY, UH, THEY WILL HAVE A CONVENIENCE FEE. MM-HMM . IF, IF THE CITIZENS WISH TO USE A CREDIT CARD, THERE IS A CONVENIENCE FEE CHARGED TO THEM. IS THERE AND CERTIFIED PAYMENT IS A VENDOR OR SOMETHING? YES, SIR. YES, THAT PROVIDES, SO WHEN WE USE THE SAME SERVICE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY YES. THAT DOES USE CREDIT CARDS MM-HMM . THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE COST OF IT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY, WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE PAYOR. CORRECT. SO WE WON'T ABSORB THE ONE OR TWO OR 3%, WHATEVER THE CHARGE IS. THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR'S OFFICE TO ADD CREDIT CARDS AS A FORM OF PAYMENT. I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKETT. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY. UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. I HAD TO HIT MY SCREEN AND THEN IT TURNED ON . ALL RIGHT. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M STAYING TIGHT. ? YEP. HANG TIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, [7. Discussion of Cornelius Project (Church) relating to approved language for OSSF and commercial projects, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana - Environmental Health)] DISCUSSION OF CORNELIUS PROJECT CHURCH RELATED TO APPROVED LANGUAGE FOR OSSF AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GUANA. SO I WILL PUNTING . YEAH. I'M GONNA PUNT TO YOU SURE. AND LET YOU EXPLAIN THIS. YES. UM, SO THE NEXT TWO AGENDA ITEMS ARE OF THE SAME TOPIC. UM, THE CORNELIUS PROJECT, UM, IT'S LOCATED AT 6 68 CORNELIUS ROAD. UM, THIS WAS, UM, A PRE OUT CAME OUT OF A PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANNA PUT IN. UM, SO THIS ONE, WHAT THEY PROPOSED TO US WAS 14 BUILDINGS, UH, GOING ON, I BELIEVE IT'S A 10 ACRE TRACT OF LAND. THIS WAS ON A PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE IT WAS A COMBINATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND THEN THE ONE REMAINING PLAT THAT WAS STILL IN THE ETJ. THIS IS THAT ONE REMAINING PLAT THAT WE'RE TALKING, OR LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT PLAT. UM, SO A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN WE ALSO APPROVED THE LANGUAGE FOR THE OSSF ORDER TO GO BE SUBMITTED, THAT HAD ATTENTION TO IT FROM THESE DEVELOPERS. UM, AND SO THEY WERE ASKING QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT. AND I TOLD 'EM, WE DON'T KNOW YET, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR US, FOR US TO TAKE IT TO THE COURT TO APPROVE MORE THAN ONE BUILDING. UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THIS ONE, EVEN THOUGH I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPERS, THEY DID NOT TURN IN ANY, UH, SITE PLANS TO ME. THEY DID NOT RETURN MY EMAIL. AND SO FOR THIS ONE ALONE, FOR CORNELIUS, UM, I WOULD SAY WE CAN PULL IT SINCE THEY'RE NOT HERE TO PRESENT THEIR WANTS AND DESIRES FOR IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PULL IT? UH, MOVE IT TO, UH, ON THE AGENDA OR VOTE, MOVE IT TO ANOTHER AGENDA WHEN THEY CAN RESPOND AND SHOW UP? WELL, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, PROCEDURALLY, THE, THE ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION ONLY. YES. THERE'S, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE OPTION. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. SO THERE'S THE DISCUSSION , BUT IF WE MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, HE IS HERE, UM, AND IS READY TO TALK ABOUT HIS PROJECT. LIKE I SAID, IT'S IN SOME, LET'S, LET'S FINISH SIMILAR. LET'S PROCEDURE. YEAH. WE'LL GO THERE. LET'S SEVEN THEN. WE'LL, YEP. UM, GET, GET TO EIGHT. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, CORNELIUS'S PROJECT? SO THE, THE ISSUE WITH THIS IS, UM, AND I WANT YOU TO JUST ELABORATE. SURE. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR ELABORATION. SURE. SO I'M GONNA ASK SOME, I I'M GONNA BE, I'M GONNA ASK SOME LEADING QUESTIONS. PLEASE DO . THAT WAY I WON'T HAVE TO . SO, SO THE, SO THE ISSUE IS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AND ONE OSSF SYSTEM MM-HMM . SO, SO CAN YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON, ON, ON WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THE CORE AND THE CRUX OF THIS ISSUE IS AND WHY YOU'RE WANTING US TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER IN THE COURT AND NOT JUST MINISTER OR PROCEDURALLY? ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO THIS, TO GIVE BACKGROUND TO IT, THIS CAME WHERE WE HAD IT AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING HAS A MINIMUM OF A ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT THAT THEY CAN BUILD ON WITHIN THAT ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT. WE ALLOWED ONE BUILDING WITH PLUMBING, AND WE ALLOWED A SECOND BUILDING WITH NO PLUMBING. AND SO WHEN I USED THAT AS THE CALCULATION AS A ONE AND A HALF ACRE MINIMUM, I USE THAT ONE AND A HALF ACRE, AND I DIVIDE IT OUT BETWEEN THAT 10 ACRE TRACT OF LAND TO SEE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING AND HOW MANY OF THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS CAN GO INTO IT. THAT'S WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO THE COURT TO CHANGE THE ORDER, THE [01:00:01] APPROVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDER TO BE TURNED INTO TCEQ. UM, AND SO THE REASON THAT THAT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN A RESIDENCE. AND WE CAN'T REALLY JUST GO AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO OFFICES IN IT, THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE TWO EMPLOYEES AT OUR CALCULATIONS OF GALLONS PER DAY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WAREHOUSE ATTACHED TO IT. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD ULTIMATELY HAVE A SMALLER SIZE OSSF OR SEPTIC SYSTEM, ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY, UM, THAT IS NOT GOING TO, IT CAN NEGATIVELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS. UM, SO WHEN I HAD THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH THE CORNELIUS PROJECT AND THEY PRESENTED THAT THEY WANTED 14 BUILDINGS THROUGH THE FORMULA THAT I USE THAT SIX, BASICALLY SIX, SEVEN BUILDINGS WITH PLUMBING AND SIX WITHOUT, IF I USE THAT FORMULA OF KNOWING WHAT CAN FIT ON A ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT. SO THE IDEA WAS THEN TO PRESENT IT TO COURT AND LET A DECISION BE MADE WITH YOU GUYS OF SAYING THAT YES, THIS MEETS WHAT WE WANT IN THIS COUNTY AS DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIALLY, AND THEN THE DECISION IS WITH YOU. OKAY. UM, THE 10 ACRES AND THE, AND THE, THE WAY YOU ARE COMING UP WITH YOUR, YOUR CALCULATION, UM, THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, IS THAT GOING TO BE SERVED BY THE CITY? AND I'M, AND I KNOW WITH THE CITY MANAGERS IN HERE, AND SO I WAS KIND OF NOT SURE. OKAY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON, ON SEPTIC AS WELL. IS THAT CORRECT, MARY? THEY DO NOT WANNA BE IN THE CITY. YES. OKAY. AND WE, WE ARE THE PERMITTING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY OF ROCKWALL FOR THE OSSF SYSTEMS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. SO THEY'RE ALLOWED SIX BUILDINGS. THEY ESSENTIALLY WANT TO BUILD 12 BUILDING 12 TO 14. YEAH. 12 TO 14 MM-HMM . RIGHT. SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD, BUT IT'S NOT RESTRICTED BY SIZE OF BUILDING. THEY COULD SIMPLY BUILD BIGGER BUILDINGS YES. AND STILL HAVE SIX. SURE. AND THEIR IMPACT IS STILL THE SAME. IT CAN BE, YEAH. RIGHT? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THAT, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE RESTRICTING, UH, THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MEAN REALLY ANYTHING. THE NUMBER YEP. THE NUMBER, THE, THE FORMULA DOESN'T REALLY MM-HMM . MEAN ANYTHING IF THEY BUILD LARGER BUILDING. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IS THIS PLATTED AS A SINGLE LOT? IT IS PLATTED AS A SINGLE LOT. IT'S ONE 10 ACRE LOT. YEAH. I BELIEVE IT'S 10 ACRES. OKAY. QUESTION SINCE WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION HERE ANYWAY TODAY. SURE. UM, AND THIS, I MAY REPEAT THIS LATER IN THE MEETING FOR OTHER THINGS, AND SO EXCEPT MY IGNORANCE AS A NEW MEMBER OF THE COURT, COULD WE GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON STUFF LIKE THIS WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO US? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE, IN MY OPINION, IF THERE WAS LIKE A PLAID ATTACHED, UH, AREA MAP WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. WHAT WE GOT WAS, UH, JUST A NOTICE THAT WE WANTED IT ON THE AGENDA. CORRECT. SO IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO COME UP TO SPEED. MM-HMM . SO MAYBE THEN THAT, AND I'LL MAKE THAT COMMENT, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ITEMS TOO IN THIS AGENDA WHERE I THOUGHT, AND, AND AGAIN, I DID TO LISA, OR I'VE HAD TO GO TO FELICIA OR WHOEVER AND ASKED FOR, COULD YOU GIMME SOME BACKUP ON THIS? SO I ASKED FOR THAT. FOR THIS ONE. I, I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL THE PARTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, WE TALKED, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO, ABOUT THEY WANTED TO GO ON COURT TO TALK TO YOU AND PRESENT TO Y'ALL OF WHAT THEY WANNA DO. AND I ASK THEM FOR EMAIL DOCUMENTATION, BACKUP SITE PLANS, ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO OFFER TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. AND YOU'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'VE NOT RESPONDED TO MY EMAILS. I HAD NO INFORMATION TO BACK UP NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. WELL, YEAH. AND DON'T THINK IT WAS DIRECTED AT YOU NECESSARILY. I DON'T, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT I'VE ASKED FOR IT AND I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. TO YOUR POINT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT THEY COULD, I GUESS I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE SUBDIVISION RATES. THEY COULD BUILD SIX LARGER BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF 10 SMALL ONES. AND THIS AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THEIR STATE LEGISLATURE, WHICH HAS PUT SEVERE RESTRICTIONS ON US FOR, UH, FOR WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT. MM-HMM . AS FAR AS REGULATING DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM . UM, SOUNDS, I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PLA I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, WOW. 10 BUILDINGS ARE ON THIS MANY ACRES IS GREAT. I, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT, BUT MAYBE IT IS. BUT AGAIN, IT HIGHLIGHTS A PROBLEM [01:05:01] WE HAVE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, AND WE'VE HEARD SPEAKERS THIS MORNING IDENTIFY, SAY, ALREADY ARE ISSUES IN AUSTIN ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES. MM-HMM . AND THIS IS ONE WHERE IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET SOME HELP IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TO REGULATE DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, WHEN I SEE THE PLAT, I MIGHT THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO. RIGHT. WOULD YOU, WHEN YOU TALK TO THIS PERSON WHO'S DEVELOPING THIS, WOULD YOU PLEASE LET HIM OR HER KNOW THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION MM-HMM . FOR US? IT'S HARD TO SAY YES. OR IT IS SOMETHING WHERE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA, DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAYING YES OR NO TO. SO THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME, JUDGE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD'VE DONE ON THIS . YEAH. AND ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS MAY BE, UM, AND JUDGE THE DEADLINE DATE FOR HAVING THINGS GI GIVEN TO, UM, FELICIA, BECAUSE IF, IF THERE'S NOT THE BACKUP FOR SOMETHING, THEN PERHAPS IT JUST DOESN'T BELONG ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION. WE HAVE TO BE EVER COGNIZANT OF THE SHOCK CLOCK, THOUGH. SO THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES WHERE APPLICATION IS FILED. WE CAN DEEM IT INCOMPLETE. THAT GETS US INTO A GRAY AREA. MM-HMM . UM, SO, UM, BUT NO, WE, WE, AND, AND BACK TO COMMISSIONER LTE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO MAKE MM-HMM. EVEN CAST A VOTE OTHER THAN I, I I LIKE THE NAME OF IT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY, NO, NO. ON, ON. THIS ONE HAS NOT STARTED. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. DISCUSSION. WHAT NAME DO YOU LIKE? UH, IT'S CORNELIUS PROJECT. HUH? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A, A NEAT NAME, BUT IT IS A NEAT NAME. YEAH. GIVES HIM. IT IS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. DISCUSSION OF NORTH [8. Discussion of the North Goliad Project (Gardner) relating to approved language for OSSF and commercial projects, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana - Environmental Health)] GOLIAD PROJECT GARDNER RELATED TO APPROVED LANGUAGE FOR OSSF AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER ALANA, YOU'RE UP AGAIN. THANK YOU. UH, SO YES, THIS IS FOR A NORTH GOLIAD PROJECT. IT IS IN THE ROCKWALL CITY OF ROCKWELL'S ETJ. UM, AND, UH, MR. GARDNER IS HERE, AND IF Y'ALL WOULD ALLOW HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. Y'ALL DO HAVE, OR Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE HAD A SITE PLAN IN YOUR BACKUP FOR THIS ONE. IT WAS EMAILED. OH, YES, SIR. YES. YES. UM, SO IF Y'ALL WOULD ALLOW, UH, MR. GARDNER TO COME UP AND, AND TELL YOU ABOUT HIS PROJECT, WOULD LOVE TO. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND AS YOU'VE PROBABLY GATHERED, SPEAK RIGHT INTO THAT MICROPHONE. GOT IT. UH, BART GARDNER 10 66 CANDACE CIRCLE, ROCKWALL, TEXAS 7 5 0 3 2. UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO 10 BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 60,000 SQUARE FEET ON THAT FIVE ACRES. UM, WHEN WE DID A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, WE HAD THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND WE'RE IN OUR FEASIBILITY PERIOD. SO IN DOING A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH CARISSA, UM, IT WAS KIND OF, I GUESS IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT APPROXIMATELY MIDDLE OF DECEMBER, THIS NEW REGULATION CAME INTO EFFECT, WHERE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE BUILDING PER ACRE AND A HALF. UM, I'VE GOT MULTIPLE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT, UH, DFW THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS WITH 10 BUILDINGS ON FIVE OR SIX ACRES. THEY MEET ALL THE TCEQ REGULATIONS, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. UM, I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS NOT A, A STATEWIDE DEAL OR A COUNTYWIDE DEAL. THIS IS KIND OF A NEW ROCK WALL THING. SO, UM, TO COMMISSIONER ANA'S, UH, COMMENT EARLIER. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BASICALLY JUST, UH, WE CAN EITHER BREAK IT INTO THREE BUILDINGS AND MAKE 'EM BIGGER, OR WE CAN MAKE 10 BUILDINGS WHICH SERVE THE POTENTIAL TENANTS, UM, BETTER. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT. IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF FOOLISH IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE, ALL OF THIS CAN GO INTO ONE SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF JUST, IT'S SEMANTICS AT THIS POINT. SO, UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS REGULATION CAME FROM AND IF THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT, OR WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF VARIANCE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD AS IS, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO JUST BUILD THREE VERY LARGE BUILDINGS AND COVER MORE CONCRETE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO RIGHT, RIGHT. NOW, HELP, HELP ME OUT. WE WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 BUILDINGS, 10 BUILDINGS, LOOKS LIKE SMALL STRIP CENTERS. UH, THEY'RE KIND OF COMMERCIAL FLEX SPACE BUILDINGS. THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, HVAC CONTRACTORS, MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS, ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS, BIG OVERHEADS IN THE BACK, CORRECT. COUPLE. THIS IS CUSTOMER PARKING UP FRONT? CORRECT. AND THIS IS IN THE ETJ? NOT IN THE CITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE, AND THIS PROBABLY IS FOR CARISSA, I GUESS. WHERE, WHERE IS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM? IT'LL BE IN THE FRONT. IT'LL BE AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, NOT AEROBIC. UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT ENGINEERS THAT CAN DESIGN ALL THIS TO MEET ALL TCEQ STANDARDS AND COUNTY STANDARDS. UH, IT, THERE'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, WHERE THIS NEW REGULATION CAME FROM AND WHAT IT'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, [01:10:01] DIRECTLY AFFECT, I GUESS. YEAH. HELP ME OUT, EDUCATE ME ON THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEM. YEAH. SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE OLD LEACH LINES, AND THEN THERE'S THE NEW AEROBIC WHERE THE SPRINKLERS CORRECT. KICK ON. YOU'RE SAYING THIS ONE WON'T HAVE, THIS WILL BE UNDERGROUND LEACH, AND SO IT'S A, IT, IT ALL GOES INTO THE GROUND? NO, NO AEROBIC HEADS. OKAY. I'M GONNA NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT ONE. OKAY. UM, IF I COULD, SO GO AHEAD. FOR, UM, OUR SUITABLE SOIL HERE, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED CERTAIN SYSTEMS TO GO IN THE OLD LEACH FIELD THAT A LOT OF US GREW UP WITH ON SEPTIC TANKS ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED. IN THIS COUNTY. THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS THAT THEY CAN DO IN OUR SOIL, AND THAT IS THE AEROBIC WITH SPRINKLERS THAT IS, UH, DRIP LINES OR WHAT'S CALLED A LOW PRESSURE DOSING SYSTEM. AND SO THE LOW PRESSURE DOSING SYSTEM AND THE DRIP LINES ARE BOTH SUBSURFACE, AND THAT'S THE UNDERGROUND ONES. SO WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN ALLOW UNDERGROUND. SOME PROJECTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE UNDERGROUND, UM, AND EVEN SOME RESIDENTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE UNDERGROUND AS WELL. UM, AND IF I COULD ON ONE POINT HERE, UM, THE IMPORTANCE FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO BRING THIS UP NOW, UM, IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE BUILDING SIZES OR THE BUILDINGS TO BE ON THIS PROJECT, THEY HAVE NOT DONE A SITE AND CIVIL, THEY HAVE NOT DONE A, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PLOT, UH, WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL FOR THIS ONE. THERE'S A RE PLATTING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE, OR A PLATTING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE. THE ONE ON CORNELIUS DOES NOT HAVE TO PLAT. THEY ALSO HAVE NOT DONE A SITE AND CIVIL REVIEW. THEY HAVE NOT DONE AN SENT AN OSSF REVIEW OVER TO US. SO ALL WE HAVE SEEN IS A PRELIMINARY, UH, MOCKUP OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND SO, SPEAKING ON AS THE LIAISON NOW FOR THEM TO, Y'ALL, IT IS THAT WHY WOULD THEY SPEND MONEY ON A SITE AND CIVIL PLAN IF AT THE END OF IT ALL, WHEN WE GET THE BUILDINGS OR THE SITE AND CIVIL APPROVED, WE GET BUILDING STRUCTURES APPROVED, WE GET ALL OF THAT, AND NOW WE'RE GOING INTO OSSF, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A PROJECT, AND SO THEY'VE ASKED TO BRING THIS TO COURT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE TO DO THIS. NOW, I, I AGREE. I WOULD TAKE THE SAME APPROACH. YES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THIS REGULATION? WHAT, OKAY, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE SOLVING WITH THIS REGULATION? WHERE, WHERE IS THIS, WHAT IS THIS FOR? WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE TO ME, JUST, AND FORGIVE ME FOR MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE BEING NEW, BUT THE IMPACT SEEMS TO ME ON THIS PROJECT WOULD BE SIMILAR, UH, BETWEEN LARGE BUILDINGS AND SEVERAL SMALL BUILDINGS. SO WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THIS REGULATION DOING THIS WITH? YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL HAVE WATCHED COURT, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE LONG ENOUGH, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PROJECT THAT IS OFF OF 2 0 5 THAT WE'VE LEARNED QUITE A BIT FROM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND SO WHEN WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE ABOUT THESE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S A REGULATION THAT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE FITTING THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS PROPERLY AS WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR TODAY'S USE, BUT FOR ANY FUTURE USE THAT COULD COME IN. AND SO WE, WE LEARNED THAT THROUGH ALL OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT HAS COME UP WITH THE NEIGHBOR THROUGH TCEQ, WORKING WITH THEM ON, YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT. NOW, THE REGULATION SEEMS TO BE MORE IMPACTFUL OF MAKING SURE THAT ALL THESE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT JUST GOING TO TELL US THAT, OH, THOSE ARE OFFICES, THOSE ARE JUST GONNA BE OFFICES, AND NOW WE'VE GOT HAIR, WE'VE GOT A BARBER SHOP, WE'VE GOT OTHER LOCA SHOPS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT DO NOT MEET WHAT WE'RE TOLD. AND SO THE REGULATION COMES IN SO THAT WE WAY WE ARE PREPARING AS THE COUNTY THAT PUBLIC HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THESE PROJECTS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, COULDN'T WE GET TO THE SAME PLACE WITH A SQUARE FOOTAGE AND USAGE ASSESSMENT VERSUS JUST THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, UH, WHEN RON WAS HERE. WE, YOU KNOW, TETHERED BACK AND FORTH OF HOW DOES THAT LOOK? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? HOW CAN WE DO SQUARE FOOTAGE? I WOULD LOVE THAT CONVERSATION. I MEAN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE, LET'S DO A, I DON'T KNOW, WORKSHOP , SO A DISCUSSION, I MEAN, TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT HAS TO GO IN THE ORDER MM-HMM . AND CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ORDER TO SEND DOWN TO TCEQ FOR THAT APPROVAL. AND WE NEED TO SQUARE THAT UP BEFORE THAT GOES DOWN. YEAH. I THINK WHAT, UH, CARISSA AND PREVIOUSLY RON IS STRUGGLING WITH IS A CALCULATION. YES. SO TO, TO LOOK AT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND TO SEE IF IT IS SUFFICIENT. WE REALLY HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE USE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT [01:15:01] THE USE OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE RESTROOM. MM-HMM . WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THE TOILET'S GONNA BE FLUSHED. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THE, THE SINK'S GONNA BE TURNED ON SO WE CAN DO THE CALCULATIONS TO DETERMINE THAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE USE. AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN, UH, BURNED WHO, WHO WE OR, OR TOLD IT'S GONNA BE ONE THING TO, TO GET A REDUCED USAGE AMOUNT. AND THEN, THEN YOU LOOK UP AND, AND MM-HMM . ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S RUNNING MORE PEOPLE IN THERE OR EMPLOYING MORE PEOPLE AND GREAT, YOU KNOW, FREE MARKET IS THE FREE MARKET. MM-HMM . BUT WHEN YOU'RE OVERPOWERING YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING MR. GARDNER, THAT, THAT THAT'S YOUR INTENTIONS, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE STRUGGLE WITH AND, AND THE NEW MEMBERS ARE, I'M, I'M GLAD TO HAVE YOU GUYS IN, IN THE STRUGGLE. WE'RE, WE'RE THE COUNTY. HISTORICALLY, WE, WE DON'T SEE THINGS LIKE THIS. BUT NOW WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE REMOVING A CITY'S AUTHORITY OVER ET JS, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO DO THE FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY NOW. AND AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE'RE ILL-EQUIPPED TO DO IT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. WE DON'T, I MEAN, WE, WE JUST DON'T, WE, WE MOVE SLOW. UH, AND, AND EVEN MOVING SLOW, WE'RE STILL UNSURE WHETHER WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. MM-HMM . OR NOT. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, UH, PROPERTY RIGHTS AND, AND, AND PRIVATE RIGHTS VERSUS WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE NEIGHBOR. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, IT'S, WE, WE, WE STRUGGLE. SO TH THANK YOU. I I'M WANT TO SAY THAT REGARDLESS, AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO ACTION. THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU. I, I WOULD'VE TAKEN THE SAME, SAME, SAME PATH. I WOULD'VE SAID, LET, LET'S COME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE I GO SPEND MONEY PLATTING IT. SURE. AND, AND MM-HMM . AND DOING CIVIL ENGINEERING ON IT. JUDGE, UM, UM, CITY MANAGER MARY SMITH WITH, UM, CITY OF ROCKWALL IS HERE. AND, UM, I THINK SHE HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT MAYBE OR AT LEAST CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THIS AS WELL. I'D LOVE SOME INFORMATION. PUT, PULL THAT MICROPHONE. YES, SIR. MARY SMITH, CITY MANAGER, CITY OF ROCKWALL. UH, UH, I'LL BACK UP JUST A SECOND TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROJECT IS AT THE VERY LEAST, BACKBURNERED, IF NOT SHELVED COMPLETELY. SO THAT ONE MAY NOT COME BACK FOR A LITTLE BIT. COULD BE WHY YOU'RE NOT HERE FROM HEARING FROM THEM. IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT. I TEXTED MY PLANNING DIRECTOR REAL QUICK, AND HE HASN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. SO I, I DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE TO SPEAK OF IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR ETJ, WE WILL LOOK AT IT. THERE WILL BE WATER ISSUES AND FIRE FLOWS AND, AND ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF ISSUES THAT PERHAPS WE CAN, ONCE WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PROJECT, THEN BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS OTHER SEPTIC SITUATION. THAT WAS KIND OF THE HEART OF MY QUESTIONS IS IT'S, IT'S IN THE CITY OF ROCKWELL, ETJ. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S KIND OF YOUR BABY TO SORT OUT. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT WE CAN FIND, WE'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE PROJECT YET. OKAY. THANK YOU, MARY. THANK YOU. MARY, CAN I GO BACK? YEAH, PLEASE, PLEASE. UH, CARISSA, UM, AGAIN, NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THIS MM-HMM . SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD, UH, THAT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A CHANGE IN A REGULATION, AND THIS IS A NEW REGULATION WE PUT IN AND BOBBY SAYS, WHAT WAS THE REGULATION TRYING TO SOLVE? EVERYBODY CAN IS CONCERNED. I, I KNOW ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT SEPTIC SYSTEMS WORK WELL. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, AND WE CAN REGULATE 'EM AND MAKE SURE THEY DO. BUT CAN, FOR MY BENEFIT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE, IT USED TO BE AND THE OLD REGULATION AND WHAT IT IS NOW? SO, SO IT'S STILL IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AS USED TO BE, WE CANNOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS UNTIL THE ORDER IS APPROVED FROM TCEQ. WHAT WAS IN THE REGULATIONS DID NOT DEFINE THE D DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AND A COMMERCIAL PROJECT. AND SO IT IS TO CLEAR UP, FOR OUR SAKE, FOR THEIR SAKE TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE GALLONS PER DAY IS DIFFERENT, FUNCTION IS DIFFERENT. WHERE, HOW, WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM IT IS IS HAS TO BE DIFFERENT. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S THERE NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HOPING FOR IT TO GO. SO NOW WHAT WE'VE REQUESTED IS APPROVAL FROM TCEQ TO TR TO REGULATE COMMERCIAL YES. OSSF SYSTEMS DIFFERENTLY THAN RESIDENTIAL. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE FACE, I KNOW WE'RE ONE OF THE [01:20:01] LIMITATIONS AGAIN ON THE COUNTY THAT'S BEEN PLACED ON US BY THE STATE, IS REGULATION OF USE. MM-HMM . WE, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T ZONE BASED ON IT. CORRECT. ANYWAY. CORRECT. BUT, UH, ONE THING WE CAN DO IS MA HOPEFULLY MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT PROPERLY. EXACTLY. I'M SURE THAT, UH, IN MOST CASES, THE PEOPLE DEVELOPING IT ARE SAYING, HERE'S WHAT I INTEND TO USE IT FOR MM-HMM . BUT THE, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALWAYS SOLD, PROPERTY'S SOLD, IT'S CONVEYED. YOU GOT A NEW OWNER AND HE COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITH IT. AND AT THAT POINT, OUR HANDS ARE TIED. SO I WOULD REALLY EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE TO, TO THE COURT AND TO YOU AND TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, WE MAKE SURE THAT ANY LIKELY USE WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THE MAXIMUM PROTECTION, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE GOT A PROPERTY. SURE. AND SO TO SPEAK ON THAT, WE HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT WE COULD USE, UM, THAT SAYS THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY, THAT IT HAS TO STAY AS IT IS TODAY. LIKE NO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, UM, FOUR OF THE SAY 10 BUILDINGS CAN'T BE SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE. THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY TCEQ THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH LEGISLATION. THAT, THAT IS A MANDATORY ON TCEQ SIDE, AN AFFIDAVIT THAT IT CANNOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S INTERESTING. UM, I, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT I, I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS BASED ON USE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE THEN TO GET AGREEMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPER OR THE BUILDER AND FILE THAT OF RECORD ON THE PROPERTY MM-HMM . AND WHEN THAT'S DONE, IT'S IN A VOLUNTARILY VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BIND NOT ONLY THAT OWNER, BUT FUTURE OWNERS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S ELEVATED TO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MORE USE THAN WE HAVE CAPACITY. AGREED. AND THE APPROACH FOR, FROM MY SIDE FOR A BUILDING IS TO NOT BASE IT ON AN EASY NUMBER OF PER OFFICES. I WANT IT PER OCCUPANCY OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING AS ITS SQUARE FOOTAGE SITS. AND SO THAT COULD ALSO HELP US WITH DEVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO DESIGN A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WILL BE, LIKE I SAID, BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, AND DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THIS RULING IS GONNA TAKE FROM, DO WE HAVE ANY PARAMETER ON WHEN TCEQ IS GONNA MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THIS? UH, COULD I ASK YOU WHAT THE TIMELINE WAS WHEN YOU WORKED WITH HUNT COUNTY? THE LAST TIME I WORKED ON ONE OF THESE WAS WITH HUNT COUNTY, AND IT TOOK 16 MONTHS. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION THEN IS WE JUST CAN'T HANG EVERYBODY UP IN LIMBO FOR NO. SO WHAT IS OUR PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD BE? BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION DECISION. SO TO ME, THAT SAYS THAT THIS ISN'T REALLY IN PLACE YET. IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO THIS NEW PROCEDURE IF IT'S NOT AN APPROVED PROCEDURE YET. SURE. IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO UNTIL WE GET THE APPROVAL MM-HMM . OKAY, MY FRIEND. SO THAT WOULD LEAD ME INTO HOW DO WE CALCULATE WHAT, WHAT METHOD DO WE USE? I MEAN, IS IT TRULY JUST BUILDINGS AND IF YOU HAVE ONE BUILDING PER ONE AND A HALF ACRES, UH, FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE OCCUPANCY OF A BUILDING. YEAH. I MEAN, H HOW DO WE CALCULATE, UH, BASED ON, ALRIGHT, WE, WE UNDERSTAND TCQ IS GONNA BE SLOW IN COMING BACK, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER MILANA SAID, WE, WE HAVE EXISTING RULES RIGHT NOW, BUT OUR EXISTING RULES ARE INSUFFICIENT MM-HMM . TO CALCULATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. YES. UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE FIRE CODE THAT THERE'S A CALCULATION IN THE FIRE CODE THAT IS, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE PER SQUARE FOOT OKAY. OR A PERSON PER SQUARE FOOT TALK TO US WHETHER OR NOT TO USE THAT CALCULATION OR NO. UH, YES. OKAY. BECAUSE IF THEY PRESENT US WITH WHAT TCEQ HAS PROVIDED TO US, AND THEY WANNA COME IN AND SAY IT'S JUST AN OFFICE, THEN IT'S TRUSTING THE DEVELOPER TO THAT THEY'RE GIVING US PROPER INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND THEN IT IS, IT'S UP TO THIS, IT'S MY PART OF MY LICENSE IS TO REVIEW THESE PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ADEQUATELY, UM, CALCULATED. AND SO KNOWING THAT GOING BY SQUARE FOOTAGE CAN ABSOLUTELY CHANGE WHAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO US. SO HAVE WE, AS COMMISSIONER LTE, UM, SAID EARLIER, HAVE WE EVER, UH, HAD PEOPLE SIGN AFFIDAVITS THAT SAY THIS IS WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE USED FOR GOING FORWARD, AND THE CALCULATIONS WERE BASED ON, ON THIS METRIC? NO. THE [01:25:01] ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF IS THE ONE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T SELL THE PROPERTY SEPARATELY. GOT IT. SO I'M GONNA DEFER THAT SAME QUESTION TO GENERAL COUNSEL. I I, IS IT ALLOWABLE FOR THE COUNTY TO DO THAT? TO SAY WE BASED CALCULATIONS ON INFORMATION YOU, YOU GAVE US, AND THEN TO REQUIRE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT SAYS THAT, THAT THEY WON'T CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY, THAT'S A ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. HAS THE OSS THE NEW REGULATION BEEN APPROVED BY THE COURT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN APPROVED TO GO INTO THE ORDER, WHAT LANGUAGE ONLY HAS BEEN APPROVED TO GO INTO THE ORDER. OKAY. BUT SO THE COURT APPROVED A, A NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURE MM-HMM . AND WE SENT THAT TO THE TCEQ. WE HAVE NOT YET SENT THAT TO TCEQ. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE DID. NO, I'M WORKING ON THE ORDER. OKAY. TO SEND TO TCEQ. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK BOBBY, UH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER GOANA, HAD A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IN A WORKSHOP. 'CAUSE THE MORE I'M LEARNING, THE MORE I'M LEARNING WHAT I DON'T KNOW MM-HMM . AND I KNOW THIS, THAT WE, YOU, YOU REFERENCED, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT MM-HMM . I'VE SAT IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETINGS NOW FOR TWO YEARS, AND I'VE HEARD A, A REGULAR COMPLAINT ABOUT ONE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY. UM, AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL MM-HMM . IS DONE WELL MM-HMM . NOT JUST FOR EXISTING USES, BUT TO MAKE SURE WHEN THAT USE CHANGES, UM, WE EITHER HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT'S BINDING FROM THE DEVELOPER NOT TO CHANGE THE USE. I AGREE. UH, OR, UH, THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH ANY USES THAT COME DOWN THE CHUTE. YEAH. AND WHAT'S BEEN RE UH, RELEVANT IS THAT WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE OF THESE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS COMING OUT INTO THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF THE COUNTY. YEAH. AND WE'RE GOING TO, AGAIN, THE WAY STATE LAW IS WRITTEN, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE MORE OF IT. WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE. AND SO FOR MY STANDPOINT, AND I KNOW WITH Y'ALL STANDPOINT AS WELL, IT'S, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY ARE DOING IT APPROPRIATELY, THAT THEY'RE NOT FLOODING THEIR NEIGHBOR OR IMPACTING THEIR NEIGHBOR. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. AND SO THE DISCUSSION STARTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS HAPPENING, AND THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR PROJECT COMING IN THAT TELLS US ONE THING AND THEN GOES, BUILDS ANOTHER. UM, AND WE HAVE REGULATIONS AND WE HAVE RULES TO FOLLOW, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THEM ACCORDINGLY. AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND LAUREN, YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER YOU MAY KNOW AS WELL THAT, UM, OFTENTIMES WHEN THE SELLER, UM, OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY SELLS TO A, A, A DEVELOPER OF SOME KIND, THAT THERE'S USUALLY SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PUT INTO THE TITLE WORK AND OH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. AND I THINK IF WE ARE BASING OUR, IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASE OSF PERMITS ON THE PROJECTED USE OF THE PROPERTY, THEN WE AS A COUNTY CAN REQUIRE THAT DEED RESTRICTION TO BE PUT OF RECORD, WHICH WILL BIND ANY FUTURE OWNER, WHICH, IF WE DID A WRITEUP AT THE, ON THE FRONT END, IT'LL WORK FOR FUTURE PEOPLE. AND THAT WILL ALSO GIVE US THE RIGHT UNDER THAT DOCUMENT TO ENFORCE IT. IF IT'S NOT, AND THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A LIMITATION ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S A LIMITATION ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THEIR AGREEMENT THAT TO GET WHATEVER SEPTIC SYSTEM WE'RE APPROVING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT USE, THE OWNER IS VOLUNTARILY ENCUMBERING HIS PROPERTY AND THE FUTURE USES. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED, BUT I DEFER TO COUNCIL. IT WOULD GENERALLY, THE OSSF REGULATIONS, UH, THE, THE ENTIRE AREA IS VERY COMPLICATED. AND IT'S BEEN DOUBLY AND TRIPLY COMPLICATED BY THE CHANGES AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, UH, ABOUT COUNTY AUTHORITY, UH, TO ENFORCE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM, THE REASON IT TOOK 16 MONTHS FOR HUNT COUNTY'S, UH, APPROVAL WAS, UM, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TCQ BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE, UH, HAS ENABLED THE TCEQ TO HAVE A, UM, UH, UH, AN EASY, UH, OR A, A, A LARGE LEVEL OF AUTHORITY, UH, TO SAY NO TO ANY, UH, REGULATIONS, UH, THAT DIFFER FROM THE STATE OSSF REQUIREMENTS, EVEN IF, UH, THERE'S A VERY LOGICAL REASON FOR THEM. UH, LIKE, UH, THERE'S A-O-S-S-F SYSTEM THAT THREATENS AN AQUIFER, UH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. GENERALLY, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE LIMITED TO WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND THEY'RE, UH, COMPLICATED AND EXTENSIVE. [01:30:01] UH, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, ALL OF THAT DOES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE TCEQ THROUGH A MULTI-STEP PROCESS BEFORE IT CAN BE APPROVED. I THINK, UH, IT WAS TWO OR THREE MEETINGS AGO THAT THERE WERE SOME, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES TO GO INTO THE, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, UH, REGULATIONS. UH, THE COUNTY DID NOT, UH, APPROVE THOSE TO GO IN YET BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, THE WORK THAT CARISSA'S TALKING ABOUT. UH, THOSE NEED TO BE, UM, UH, REVIEWED AND, UM, WRITTEN WITH AN EYE TOWARD, UH, ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL AFFECT, UH, HOW THOSE NEED TO BE WRITTEN . UM, AS FAR AS, UH, REQUIRING, UH, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS TO GO INTO THE PERMANENT RECORD LIKE A-A-C-C-R OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD, UH, LIMIT, UH, FUTURE USE, UH, WE CAN'T, UH, THE COUNTIES CAN'T REQUIRE THAT UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE SAYS WE CAN REQUIRE IT. RIGHT NOW, THE LEGISLATURE SAYS THAT ALL OF THOSE RULES ARE EITHER ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THE STATE OSSF RULES OR, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY TCEQ CURRENTLY. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE, UH, ALLOWS THE THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, AND SO IF, UH, IF THERE'S A GRAY AREA WHERE THERE'S A FIRE CODE, UH, OVERLAY, UH, THAT SAYS, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, LIKE, UH, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT LIMITS THE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY, EITHER BY, UH, CARVING IT UP AND SELLING IT, UH, OR, UM, UH, OR A, BASICALLY A LIMITATION ON THE USE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD, UH, BE IN AN OFFICE. UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY CURRENTLY, UH, TO REQUIRE THAT, THAT BE PUT IN WRITING IN AN ENFORCEABLE WAY. OKAY. THAT EVEN DON'T, DON'T DOUBT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH OSSF REGULATIONS. I HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MY PRACTICE DOING THAT. BUT TO ME, WHAT THAT SAYS IS, IF WE CAN'T ASK A DEVELOPER TO VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO LIMIT THEIR USE, OR IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THAT THEN WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE GREATEST PERMISSIBLE USE POSSIBLE AND MAKE IT BUILT TO THAT GREATEST PERMISSIBLE USE. IS, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE, ESPECIALLY THE PAST FOUR SESSIONS, UH, AND THE FACT THAT THE CODES HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH THOSE CHANGES HAS CREATED A LOT OF GRAY AREA, UH, THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF, UH, ILLOGICAL, UM, UH, APPLICATION. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS, UH, WHERE IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT IT SHOULD BE, UM, UH, A SITUATION WHERE THOSE LIMITATIONS APPLY, BUT IT IS NOT CLEAR. UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT, UH, UH, IN, IN HUNT COUNTY, THERE WAS A CHANGE TO, UH, THE LOCAL OSSF REGULATIONS, UH, TO FILL IN SOME OF THOSE HOLES THAT WERE CREATED BY THE, UH, BY THE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS TO CUT GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY TO REGULATE. UM, AND IT STILL TOOK 16 MONTHS GOING BACK AND FORTH. UH, RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT DOES ALLOW THE COUNTY TO DO WHAT, OBVIOUSLY SEEMS VERY LOGICAL THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE, UH, IN THE CLERK'S RECORDS OR IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS LIMITATION ON FUTURE USE. SO THAT, UH, THEY DON'T SAY IT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE TOILET, BUT IT ENDS UP BEING AN OFFICE THAT HAS 10. UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN, UH, THE SECONDARY REGULATIONS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TCEQ. UH, BUT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE IN PLACE. WELL, THEN EVEN MORE WE NEED A WORKSHOP. YES. BECAUSE THE, WE CAN PUT, GET OURSELVES IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE VERY BAD SITUATIONS IN THE COUNTY IN, AND THE OSF SYSTEMS ARE NOT MANAGED WELL, I KNOW I'M ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM AT OUR HOUSE IN HEATH, AND EVERY YEAR I HAVE TO COMPLY WITH KEEPING IT UP AND HAVING IT RIGHT. UH, MONITORED AND TREATED AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND, UH, IT'S JUST IS PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. DEFINITELY. IT IS. SO, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF WE NEED TO, WHATEVER WE NEED, I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THESE REGULATIONS, OBVIOUSLY, I'M KIND OF EMBARRASSING MYSELF HERE BY NOT KNOWING MORE, BUT IT'S A, IT IS A REALLY BIG [01:35:01] ISSUE. AND, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU, CARISSA MM-HMM . AND WORK ON IT. BECAUSE IF WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING SITUATION, WE'RE CREATING PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARDS, AND IF WE CAN'T REGULATE USE, THEN WE GOTTA GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PROTECTION MM-HMM . AND USE, AND THE ORDER HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN QUITE SOME TIME, AND IT'S, WE REALLY DO NEED TO UPDATE THAT ORDER TO MEET OUR CURRENT YEAH. PROGRESS. I, I AGREE. AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COURT. UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, LET'S ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW AT WORKSHOP. I AGREE. WE NEED TO DO IT, BUT WHAT DO WE DO FOR THOSE THAT ARE GONNA COME BEFORE THE COURT IN THE MEANTIME? HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THAT? YEAH. FOR WHAT, WHAT IS THE QUESTION BEING ASKED? EXACTLY. SO FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, WE, UH, WE CAN'T, UM, HAVE ANYONE COME HERE AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA WAIT 16 MONTHS UNTIL WE GET A RULING FROM TCEQ TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR YOUR PROJECT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? OKAY. WHAT, AND I GO AGAIN, WHAT'S THE QUESTION I'M BEING ASKED? WHAT DO WE DO NOW FOR THIS PRO? HOW DO WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THIS PROJECT IS A GO OR NOT A GO BASED ON WHAT WE UPDATED NOT BEING ENFORCEABLE AT THIS TIME? RIGHT. SO WE, WE, UM, OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, CAN'T, CAN'T TAKE ACTION. CAN'T, CAN'T DISCUSSION ONLY. BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU MY COMFORT LEVEL WOULD BE AT, UH, HEARING ALL, ALL, ALL THE TOTALITY OF THE ARGUMENT AND, AND KNOWING WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, UH, IS, IS DESIGN IT TO WORST CASE SCENARIO. YES. AND REALLY THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WE, WE GOTTA DESIGN IT TO OVERPOPULATED, OVERUSED HERE, HERE'S, AND OUR THEORY IS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. RIGHT. AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. AND YES, THEY COULD ADD MORE, YOU KNOW, TO THE SYSTEM OR GO TO FUTURE, BUT IF THEY'VE DEVELOPED THEIR ENTIRETY OF THEIR LAND, THEN THERE'S NO SPACE TO DEVELOP OR TO ADD TO THIS SYSTEM. UM, SO YES. AND IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD WITH THIS ONE. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THESE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS THAT I HAVE WITH THE DEVELOPERS JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, ALL OF THE INS AND OUTS OF EVEN WHAT THEIR PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS ARE. AND THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT OF SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS IS, WELL, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? AND FOR ME, THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AND TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE ME A BETTER PERSON, EMPLOYEE TO HAVE THESE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS SO THAT I CAN PRESENT Y'ALL WELL TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN AND TALK TO ME AND PRESENT THE COUNTY. WELL, SO I THINK COMMISSIONER TY HAD A GOOD IDEA. WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION BECAUSE MR. GARDNER IS A BUSINESSMAN, AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE DOLLARS THAT ARE TIED TO THIS RIGHT NOW. AND, AND I WANNA SAY THAT I'M, I'M, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO WE MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL, BUT I THINK AT THE TIME, RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE DO? AND MAYBE IT IS JUDGED TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM NOT KNOWING WHAT WE, NOT KNOWING ANY OTHER KIND, KIND OF CONTROL THAT WE CAN, THAT THE STATE'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO HAVE. WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION ON YET. NO. UM, MR. GARDNER, WOULD YOU, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? AND, AND LET ME SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE DIOCESE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT, AND SURE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY. UH, TH THIS IS PROPERTY'S TIED UP UNDER CONTRACT, AND WE'RE IN A FEASIBILITY PERIOD. AND SO BEFORE WE INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WE KIND OF NEED A CLEAR PATH FORWARD. AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD THE NEXT STEPS BE FOR US, UH, OUR DEVELOPMENT, THAT SITE PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN THERE? I'VE DONE MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX. UM, IT WORKS FINE. IT'S APPROVED BY TCEQ. THERE'S NO ISSUES. WE DON'T WANNA GO INTO A DEVELOPMENT, BUILD IT, AND THEN HAVE A SEPTIC ISSUE FOR ALL OF OUR TENANTS THAT DOES US NO GOOD EITHER. SO THAT IS NOT OUR END GOAL HERE. UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, A A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. WE WANT IT TO WORK, UH, WE'RE GONNA HANG ONTO IT. THERE'S NO PLAN TO SELL IT. THAT'S NOT TO SAY SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE WE WON'T. BUT IF YOU SEE THAT SITE PLAN, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP ANYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN ADD ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE THE SPACE OF THAT SITE PLAN. UM, WHETHER IT'S TWO BUILDINGS OR THREE BUILDINGS, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CAN STILL BE THE SAME. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SEMANTICS. NOW, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BATHROOMS, THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. UM, THIS WILL ALL COMPLY WITH LOCAL REGULATIONS, COUNTY REGULATIONS, TCEQ. SO THERE'S REALLY NO, NO, UH, NO ISSUES THERE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IS IT 10 BUILDINGS OR IS IT TWO? AND IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF SILLY. SO I THINK YOUR FIRST STEP IS TO, TO GO AHEAD AND CIRCLE BACK WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, SINCE THIS IS IN THEIR E-T-E-T-J, AND [01:40:01] YOU CAN SHARE WITH THEM THE SITE PLANS AND YOUR, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THEY CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH CARISSA IN REGARDS TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. OKAY. BUT IS THIS, DOES THIS FALL UNDER CITY OF ROCKWALL WITH IT BEING IN THE ETJ ON, ON THE SITE PLAN? YES, YOU'LL NEED TO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE ETJ. SO YOU WANNA, YOU WANT TO, AND THE CITY MANAGER JUST SPOKE A FEW MINUTES AGO. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, WE GOT A CHICKEN AND EGG HERE. YEAH. YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN AN ODD SITUATION. SO I'M IN PURGATORY AND STANDARD AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CITIES IS, IS, UH, THE CITY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS, UH, ARE, ARE WHAT, WHAT IS ENFORCED IN THE EJS NOW, THE STATE OF TEXAS, BACK TO THE ILLOGICAL DECISIONS THAT OUR GENERAL COUNSEL ALLUDED TO IS DOING EVERYTHING BUT REMOVING THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITIES TO GOVERN THEIR ETS SO THAT WHENEVER THEY PUSH THE CITY OUT, THAT PULLS THE COUNTY IN. NOW IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, WE INSPECT OSF FOR THE CITY OF ROCKWALL. SO THEY CONTRACT WITH US, WHICH IS CARISSA TO INSPECT. SO WHILE WE SAY IT'S THE CITY, WE'RE THE ACTUAL ONES THAT COME OUT AND INSPECT FOR THE CITY. BUT IT WOULD, SURE, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IT WOULD BE THE CITY. IF YOU'RE IN THEIR ETJ COMPLETELY, IT WOULD BE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR REGULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OSSF WOULD, WOULD BE US. AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU MAY HAVE TO HEAD DOWN THAT PATH TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DO THE CALCULATIONS TO EVEN GET ME TO MY COMFORT LEVEL OF WORST CASE SCENARIO. WE, WE, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS AT, AT, AT THIS POINT. SURE. I MEAN, I'VE GOT A QUICK SOLUTION. YOU GUYS JUST BRING SEWER AND WATER THERE AND WE'LL JUST HOOK INTO THAT. I, I, I, I, I, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT, THAT SOLVES IT. ALL RIGHT. YEP. THAT'S, MAN, THERE, THERE IS THE CONTINUAL CONVERSATION IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. OKAY. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, A CLEAR PATH FORWARD HERE WOULD BE GO BACK TO CARISSA AND THE CITY AND GET THEM THIS INFORMATION, AND THEN WE END UP BACK HERE PROBABLY. AND THEN WHAT THE COURT WILL DO IS HAVE A WORKSHOP, NOT SPECIFIC TO YOUR PROJECT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL INCLUDE YOUR PROJECT TO GO OVER OSSF AND COMMERCIAL AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS CAUSED THE, THE COUNTY TO GET INTO AREAS THAT TYPICALLY WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T OPERATE IN. YEAH. SO MY, MY IMMEDIATE CONCERN WOULD BE JUST TIMELINES ON THIS, ARE WE TALKING, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, 16 MONTHS? UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS PART OF PRE-DEVELOPMENT, BUT SINCE YOU DO HAVE TO APPLY IT IN THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, THE TIMELINE IS GONNA GO TO THEM, NOT US FIRST. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND, AND WE'LL GET STARTED ON OUR, ON OUR WORKSHOP. 'CAUSE UH, AGAIN, THERE'S GRAY AREAS AND UNFORTUNATELY 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTED TODAY WHERE THEY HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY INTRODUCED MORE GRAY AREAS. SO, WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. IS THIS A, IS THERE A PLAT THAT'S HAPPENING OR IS THIS A, A PREEXISTING, UH, TRACT OF RECORD THAT'S ALREADY THERE? IT HAS TO BE RE PLATTED. IT'S NOT BEEN, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN PLATTED, BUT THEY ARE ADDING IN ANOTHER SECTION. UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT NOW HAVE THAT ARE BY SAME OWNER. FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN, IT HAS TO BE RE PLATTED. OKAY. YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE COUNTY'S, UH, POSITION HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A, UM, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCK WALL FOR THEM, UH, FOR THEIR REGULATIONS TO APPLY TO NEW PLATTING IN THE ETJ. AND SO, UM, YOU CAN CONTACT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE IN ROCKWALL. I'M SURE CARISSA CAN GIVE YOU THEIR, UH, INFORMATION. UM, BECAUSE BASED ON THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT WITH THEM, THEIR RULES WOULD APPLY. UH, AND THAT MIGHT SHORT CIRCUIT THIS ISSUE, UH, OF WHAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR, UH, THE PARTICULAR TYPE OF SEPTICS, UH, SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE, UH, TRYING TO PUT IN. OKAY. AND IT'S A LITTLE MESSY WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE THE OSSF REGULATORS, THEY'RE THE PLATTERS AND PART OF THAT. AND THEN WE REGULATE THE OSSF 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE ETJ. AND WE HAVE OUR STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SET OF THE MINIMUM OF AN ACRE AND A HALF. SO IT'S, AGAIN, ANOTHER GRAY, GRAY AREA HERE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE RIGHT BACK AND BE BACK HERE AGAIN. IT'S THE PROBLEM, POTENTIALLY. YEAH, POTENTIALLY. UM, WOULD YOU GET HIM MY INFORMATION AS WELL? YES, SIR. AND I'LL TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US [9. Discuss/Act on areas of Commissioners Court responsibilities, and all related issues; (Judge New)] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AREAS OF COMMISSIONER'S, COURT RESPONSIBILITY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, NOW IS THE TIME WHERE [01:45:01] WE ASSIGN COMMUNITY, UH, ASSIGNMENTS. AND, AND I BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER LTE AND, AND I, I CAME UP WITH THIS LIST, JUST ONE THAT MADE SENSE TO ME, BUT YEAH, I'M SURE, SURE, SURE, SURE, SURE. HERE, THAT'S OKAY. UM, BUT IF, IF, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY JUST TO ASSIGN MEETINGS, SO IF SOMEBODY IS UNWILLING, THEN, THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION. UH, SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THESE, AND I'VE ADDED A FEW THINGS TO THE LIST AND BASED ON, ON THE WAY I HAVE THINGS, UM, ASSIGNED, UH, COMMISSIONER ALANA HAS 12 ASSIGNMENTS. COMMISSIONER STACY HAS 14. COMMISSIONER M**K HAS 12 ASSIGNMENTS. COMMISSIONER LTE HAS 10, I HAVE 16. SO, AND THERE'S, THERE ARE, UH, I SAID I DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO ASSIGN, THERE ARE A COUPLE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT THE JUDGE SIT ON CERTAIN, CERTAIN COMMITTEES. UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, A COUPLE EXTRA THAT I'D LIKE TO HAND OFF TO COMMISSIONER LTI, JUST TO GET A LITTLE MORE EQUITY. BUT I, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST TO GO THROUGH THESE, UH, ONE, ONE BY ONE. SO THE, THE FIRST THING ON THE LIST IS BENEFITS AND COUNTY POLICY COMMITTEE. UH, COMMISSIONER STACY IS ON THAT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE HIM ON IT WITH THE ADDITION OF COMMISSIONER LICHTY. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY CAN SPEAK TO THE TIME REQUIREMENTS TO THAT. UH, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THEM. NO, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. I MEAN OKAY. I, I'M, I'M SURE I'LL LEARN A LOT. YES, SIR. I, I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTITUDE. YEAH. COMMISSIONER LTE. UH, ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND THING IS JUDICIAL SOFTWARE. COMMISSIONER STACEY IS ON THAT. UH, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD COMMISSIONER ALANA, THAT IS, UH, GOOD WITH ME. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WAY TOO EASY. UH, TRANSPORTATION CONSORTIUM THAT I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST WE CHANGE TO TRANSPORTATION SLASH INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM. UH, I AM THE HEAD OF THAT AND WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN THE HEAD OF THAT. FRANK, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, UH, 'CAUSE I LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU ADDED TO IT. I THINK THAT'S, WELL, BUT WOULD YOU BE OPEN FOR, UM, SINCE WE'RE DOING SOME OF THE ONE, THE COUPLE OF THE TWO YOU JUST DID, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TO THAT WITH YOU. UM, UM, AND A PART OF IT IS WITH THE CONSORTIUM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE, THAT THE CONSORTIUM HAS WORKED REALLY WELL IN THE PAST. BUT I DO THINK WE'VE HEARD TODAY THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MAYBE IMPROVE THAT CONSORTIUM. BUT IT IS, IT WAS A GOLD STAR FOR A NUMBER OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES AROUND HERE OF, OF HOW COMMISSIONER MAGNUS STARTED IT. AND I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY. 'CAUSE I THINK IT TIES IN A LITTLE BIT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I, I WOULD WELCOME THAT. AND THEN I'LL JUMP DOWN REAL QUICK TO 11 EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION. HMM. OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO TAKE NO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY ON THAT, YOU'RE, YEAH. SO YOU AND I ARE, SO YOU, YOU, YOU WERE ALREADY AT THE MEETING, SO YES, I'M ALREADY THERE. SO YES. LET'S ADD YOU TO THAT. THANK YOU. SO THIS MEANS THAT ON THOSE TWO WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE OTHER ENTITIES INVOLVED MM-HMM . BOTH OF YOU TWO WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNTY. IS THAT CORRECT? SO TYPICALLY, UH, THE EMERGENCY SERVICES ELECTS THE OFFICIALS. THE JUDGE IS, IS THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR THE PRESIDENT. UH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER M**K IN MY ABSENCE WOULD, WOULD, UH, UH, BE THE PRESIDING OFFICER. AND, AND I WOULD THINK THE SAME AS THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM. RIGHT. AND, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HOPING WE CAN DO IS KIND OF LIKE FINE TUNE SOME OF THOSE ROLES OR NOT ROLES, SOME OF THAT, THAT COMMUNICATIONS AND THE EXPECTATIONS WITH OUR CITIES AND KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE WE NOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, WELL, IT COULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM THAT THAT'S ONE, BUT IT COULD BE THE OTHER ONE AS WELL TOO. OKAY. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO FOUR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL. SO OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL IS JUDGE BOBBY STOVALL AND HUNT COUNTY . UH, AND I, UH, JOHN STA IS THE ALTERNATE AND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL IS THE NET COG GROUP. RIGHT? IT IT IS. THAT'S A SUBSIDIARY OF NET COST. IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, RIGHT. YEAH. AND YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE GET ONE VOTE BETWEEN HUNT AND ROCKWALL COUNTY. WE, WE SPLIT IT, WE GET HALF A VOTE. RIGHT. [01:50:01] RIGHT. UM, AND WE, WE WERE ASSIGNED PER, PER THE AGREEMENT. UH, JUDGE SWEET WAS, WAS THE VOTING, UH, ENTITY WHILE I 30 WAS, WAS BEING PLANNED COMING THROUGH ROCKWALL. AND NOW THAT I, THE PLANS ARE AT LEAST DONE, CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES. THE AGREEMENT WAS TO LET HUNT COUNTY THEN BECOME THE VOTING MEMBER. OKAY. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT AS I, AS I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND IT KIND OF SWITCHES FROM TIME TO TIME, HUNT COUNTY WILL HAVE A VOTE. WE WILL. AND ASKING A QUESTION THAT I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER. UH, BOY, IT SURE BE GOOD IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET A VOTE TOO. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY IMPORTANT. I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK OUR IMPORTANCE, UH, NOT ONLY ARE WE PRETTY IMPORTANT, OUR IMPORTANCE POLITICALLY IS OUTWEIGHING OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, WE, WE HAVE, UM, POLITICAL MUSCLE THAT I BELIEVE IT'S TIME FOR US TO FLEX THAT MUSCLE AND, AND WE SHOULD HAVE OUR, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN VOTE. I AGREE. NOW SAYING THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET OUR OWN VOTE. YEAH. IT'S LIKE, WHO DECIDES THAT? DO THE EMPTY COG DECIDE? THE RTC HAS THEIR OWN SETS OF BYLAWS. SO THEY, THEY, THEY DECIDED THAT, AND DO WE KNOW THE PROCESS FOR TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO AMEND THEIR BYLAWS? YOU KNOW, I TALKED, ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, OUR TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. AND, UM, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S HOPELESS THAT WE CAN GET IT. I THINK THERE'S A CHANCE WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT'S LIKE, I THINK HE SAID THERE'S 45 OR 47 VOTES, AND THEY ALLOCATE 'EM BASED UPON DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SOME VOTES COUNT FOR TWO, BUT THEY'RE JUST ONE VOTE. I, I, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLEX FORMULA, BUT WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I THINK WE SHOULD AND TRY TO, AND TO, UH, JUDGE NEW'S POINT, WE NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT ONLY, I GUESS, POLITICAL MUSCLE, IT'S OUR LOCATION AND OUR, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GROWING. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. AND SO WE SHOULD TRY TO, I GUESS I'D HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, JOHN, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, THE, THE RTC, YOU'RE OUR EXISTING ALTERNATE. YES. BUT FROM, FROM OUR COUNTY. YOU'RE THE GUY. YES. AND IT'S, I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE RIGHT NOW. UM, YOU HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HUNT COUNTY ON THIS. YOU WITH JUDGE STO? YES. JUDGE ST. YEAH. YES, I DO. AND YOU WANNA KEEP DOING IT? YES. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE STAR TRANSIT. HAVE COMMISSIONER M**K, UH, SHE'S BEEN A GOOD ADVOCATE FOR STAR TRANSIT, HAS BEEN ON AND ATTENDS THE BOARD MEETINGS IS NO, NO NEED TO SWITCH HORSES IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RACE. ALL RIGHT. DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION. SO, UM, I'VE ASSIGNED COMMISSIONER STACY, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY ON THAT IN, IN THE PAST. I, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BAILEY WAS ON IT IN THE PAST. OKAY. OKAY. ARE ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT ASSIGNMENT? UM, I, I AM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT I WILL DO THE RESEARCH AND FIGURE IT OUT AND START GOING TO THOSE MEETINGS OR WHATEVER IS REQUIRED. WELL, AND I WILL SAY THAT FOR SOME, SOMEHOW TWO YEARS AGO, I WAS GIVEN A PART OF THE, OF THE, OF THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION. 'CAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH BIKE BIKE TRAILS. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER, UM, GILBERT HAD IT BEFORE ME, SO, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, THE CONVERSATION FOR BIKE TRAILS, WE ARE NOT AT THAT STAGE YET FOR, FOR US TO GET INVOLVED. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY I HAVE, UM, JOHN IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO IS THIS A PART OF THE, UM, UNDER NET COG OR, I MEAN, IT'S DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN, IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE THING. YES. MM-HMM . AND I CAN SHARE, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE, UM, EMAILS AND SO FORTH. I HAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT IS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. WE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY ASSIGNED A COMMISSIONER TO THAT. I, I, I WANNA REMOVE THAT AND JUST SAY WE'RE ALL MM-HMM . GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. OKAY. UH, NUMBER EIGHT, LEGISLATIVE, UH, SAME. WE'RE ALL, ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR LEGISLATIVE. UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT, UH, TO NOT HAVE ALL HANDS ON DECK. MM-HMM . UH, COUNCIL OF URBAN COUNTIES. COMMISSIONER M**K IS THE TREASURER. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I'M A BOARD. JUST A BOARD MEMBER RIGHT NOW. JUST A BOARD MEMBER. OKAY. WELL, THAT [01:55:01] I DIDN'T TAKE ON ANYMORE. . ALRIGHT. SORRY. ROLES OTHER THAN THE BOARD MEMBER. UH, SO HA HAS BEEN SERVING WELL, AND, AND THAT'S, WE, I LOOK FORWARD TO FOSTERING THAT RELATIONSHIP. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, THEY, THEY ARE ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT GETS INVITED FOR, UH, TESTIMONY, UH, CON, CONTINUALLY CORRECT TO AUSTIN. SO, UH, TAC CORE LEGISLATIVE TEAM, THAT'S ALL OF US. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND EIGHT? SO, TAC UH, TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF THE COUNTIES WILL COME UP WITH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PURSUE LEGISLATIVELY. UM, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, OURS WILL BE MORE FOCUSED, MORE, MORE PRECISION OF THINGS THAT IMPACT US. RIGHT. THEIRS WILL BE MORE GENERAL, UM, ON, JUST BASED ON THE CULTURE IN AUSTIN, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, T AND, AND MANY ASSOCIATIONS, TML AND OTHERS, UH, NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXIST AFTER THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION AT LEAST EXISTS IN THEIR CURRENT FORM. UH, THERE'S THE, THE BIG PUSH TO, UH, CURTAIL TAXPAYER LOBBYING. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE, A LOT OF THESE GROUPS, WHILE TAC IT'S A SMALL, SMALL PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY DO. AND I WOULD ARGUE THEY WILL NOT DO IT AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE WILL DO IT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE GO THERE. BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUSHING BACK AND HAVE CHANGED INSTEAD OF PURSUING LEGISLATIVE ISSUES AND LOBBYING FOR THE COUNTIES, THEY'VE KIND OF CHANGED TO A INFORMATION ONLY YEAH. WHERE THEY, THEY JUST KEEP US UPDATED OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT OUT FRONT CARRYING THE FLAG, TRYING, TRYING TO MOVE, MOVE THE NEEDLE. RIGHT. AND WHEN WE WERE, I WAS AT A CONFERENCE WITH BOBBY BACK IN, UM, DECEMBER, AND THEY BASICALLY TOLD US THAT, BUT I GUESS THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS IF TAC WHAT THEY ARE TODAY OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY HAVE A LEGISLATIVE TEAM, IF KIND OF WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ONE PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT SO WE CAN INTERACT WITH THEM. I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A LEGISLATIVE TEAM AND THEY SAY, WHAT DOES ROCKWALL COUNTY THINK? I DON'T WANT 'EM TO CALL ALL FIVE OF US. YEAH, I AGREE. I KIND OF WORRY WHEN WE PUT ALL A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY THERE'S A LEAD. RIGHT. SO I, SO SHOULD WE MOVE BACK UP AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON LEGISLATIVE AS WELL? WELL, BECAUSE I KIND OF WANNA TALK ABOUT TAC IF I CAN, BECAUSE YEP. PLEASE. UM, BOTH COMMISSIONER SEVER AND COMMISSIONER BAILEY WERE A PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE, WHAT THEY CALL, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO AS THE, AS THE, AS THE CORE LEGISLATIVE TEAM. AND SO I WENT DOWN LAST, UM, SEPTEMBER, AND I MADE APPLICATION AND I WAS ACCEPTED TO THEIR, TO THEIR LEGISLATIVE TEAM. BUT WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IS THEY, IT'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON. YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING. THEY STARTED THEIR, THEIR KICKOFF THIS MORNING, UH, MEETING AT 7:00 AM A ZOOM CALL EVERY WEEK AS A LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS IN. SO THEY HAD THEIR FIRST, THEY HAD THEIR FIRST UPDATE THIS MORNING. SO I CAN SEND YOU THAT INFORMATION. BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, OR TO SUPPORT WHAT THE JUDGE TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE I SHOULD SAY IT THAT WAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY MORE JUST TRYING TO KEEP COUNTIES INFORMED OF BILLS THAT ARE BEING FILED, ANY TYPE OF LOBBYING, UM, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING. BUT REALLY THEY ARE NOT, THEY REALLY AREN'T DOING A LOT OF LOBBYING ON OUR BEHALF. RIGHT. IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP US INFORMED SO WE CAN GO DO IT UNTIL WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. YEAH. WELL, PART OF WHAT YOU SAID MAKES ME SAY WE SHOULDN'T ASSIGN ANYBODY TO IT. MM-HMM . BUT I, I GIVES MY, MY, MY POINT IS, IF YOU SAID, WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON EIGHT? I DON'T THINK I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON EIGHT THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE WORKING ON IT. MM-HMM. AND IT'S KIND OF A GROUP EFFORT. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE, LIKE THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WE FOCUS A LOT ON THAT . BUT, UH, TO ME, AND AGAIN, I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY A YEAR FROM RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, IF, IF WE WANT SOMEONE TO REPORT TO THAT, I, IF THEY HAVE, YOU SAID ZOOM CALLS? MM-HMM . MM-HMM . OKAY. IF THEY HAVE A ZOOM CALL EVERY WEEK, IF IT SAYS ALL MM-HMM . I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO ATTEND THAT ZOOM CALL. GOT IT. AND WHY DO ALL FIVE OF US HAVE TO? UM, AND IF IT SAYS DANA, M**K, WELL THEN, WELL, THIS WAS MY FIRST ONE THIS MORNING, AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I MISSED IT BECAUSE I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING, . NO, I GET IT. SO, BUT IT IS, IT'S ALREADY ON MY CALENDAR, PEOPLE ON IT. BUT YEAH, I JUST, TO ME TO SAY ALL IS LIKE SPREADING AUTHORITY MORE THAN WE NEED DISCRE. I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM JUDGING GUYS, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO BE ON IT. AND THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL RECAP WHAT, [02:00:01] WHAT EACH TUESDAY DURING THIS SESSION. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHEN, WHEN, RIGHT. THAT'S REALLY WHEN ANY HEAVY LIFTING IS HAPPENING FOR THIS GROUP. IF YOU WANT ME TO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT. LOVE TO. SO I'LL GOT COMMISSIONER LIK ON THAT. YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE THE LIAISON. WELL, IT'LL BE GOOD BECAUSE I'M GONNA DO THE SAME WITH YOU GUYS ON THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES AS WELL. SO YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'LL, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM ME ON THAT AS WELL, . ALL RIGHT. SO THAT BRINGS US TO 11 EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION. AGAIN, I NEED TO SET AT THE HEAD OF THAT YOU'RE MM-HMM . YOUR, UH, MY, MY ALTERNATE IF I CAN'T BE THERE. MM-HMM . NUMBER 12, WEBSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE COMMISSIONER, M**K, THAT'S MM-HMM . UH, WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW WITH, UM, JIM AND, AND BRIAN. SO, WE'LL, WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF THAT. ALRIGHT. YES, SIR. UH, BRINGS US TO NUMBER 13, BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. I GOT COMMISSIONER STACY AND COMMISSIONER ALANA. UM, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. YES. THE NEXT IS LONG-TERM PLANNING. I WANNA REMOVE THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY, IT, IT, IT'S INCORPORATED INTO 13 BUILDING AND GROUNDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AND, WELL, THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, UH, UH, JUST A WORD. OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS GOING TO GET US THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, THE STRATEGIC PLAN PROBABLY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S AN ALL BECAUSE AS WE GET READY, AS, AS, UM, MR. KIPP HAD EXPLAINED, WHEN ONCE, ONCE WE ADOPT THIS, THERE WILL BE, UM, EACH OF US WILL OWN ONE OF THE GOALS. YEP. OKAY. AND SO THAT, AND THAT'S SMALL. AND NUMBER 30 IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN SPECIFICALLY. YEAH, I KNOW. SO, YEAH, SO, GOOD, GOOD. SO YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT IS, SO SOMETHING I ADDED AND I SAW THAT. I SAW THAT MM-HMM . I, I JUST HATE THE IDEA OF LET'S STRIKE LONG-TERM PLANNING. WE'RE NOT IN A LONG-TERM PLAN SOMETHING ABOUT NO, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT STRATEGICALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT MAYBE YOU COULD ADD, MAYBE FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE LISTENING, MAYBE WE JUST ADD LONG TERM, WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE LONG-TERM PLAN PLANNING. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING. THERE. THERE YOU GO. . UM, NUMBER 15 IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, MY, MY FIRST YEAR, UM, I'M LIKE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR OFFICE AND YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU GO, HOW, I MEAN, AS A COUNTY, HOW DO, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WELL, IT, WELL, THAT TAKES US RIGHT BACK TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . IS WHERE IT TAKES US. SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I, I IS ALL OF US MM-HMM . AND IT IS AGAIN, GONNA BE FUNNELED BACK, BACK THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT BRINGS US TO JUVENILE BOARD. UH, COMMISSIONER M**K HAS BEEN ON THAT. MM-HMM . I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT. OKAY. UH, NUMBER 17, OPEN SPACE COMMISSIONER LICHTY, YOU SEEM LIKE THE OBVIOUS SELECTION FOR THAT. HAPPY TO DO IT. THANK YOU, SIR. HISTORIC FOUNDATION LIAISON. UM, IT SHOULD BE HISTORIC COMMISSION. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. IT IS A HISTORIC COMMISSION. IS IT? THANK YOU. WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY. YEP. HAPPY TO DO IT. THANK YOU, SIR. PUBLIC POWER POOL COMMISSIONER GALANA. THAT IS WHO WE BUY OUR POWER FROM. YEP. HAPPY TO DO THAT. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, I HAVE ALL, UH, THAT, UH, ENTITY IS MULTIFACETED TO SAY THE LEAST. AND, UM, IT ALL, ALL, ALL OF US CAN FIND A, A COMMITTEE, A HOME, A PLACE, SOME WAY TO NETWORK. MM-HMM . AT, AT THE COG. MM-HMM . UM, SO DO, DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE EVER HAD MORE THAN TWO THAT ATTENDED ANY OF THEIR LUNCHES OR ANY OF THEIR, UM, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES? I KNOW I HAVE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT IF, IF I, IF I HAD HAD TO GUESS. I MEAN, THERE'S MEETINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . AT, AT, AT COG. SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN OVERLY BROAD CATEGORY THAT, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT FALL, YOU KNOW, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT. UM, SO CHILD WELFARE BOARD, UH, I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER LICHTY, HAVE YOU, LAUREN, HAVE YOU, I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS GROUP AL ALREADY, AND KNOW THEM FAIRLY WELL. HAVE YOU, DO YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME THING? I RAISED FOUR KIDS. I KNOW THAT. YEAH. NO, I, I WAS GONNA ASK WHAT IT IS. DO YOU? THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND BOBBY, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OVER. YEAH, I WOULD. I WOULD. I'LL BE HAPPY TO. WE GOT SOME INVESTED IN THAT, SO I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT. OKAY. AND WE CAN, WE CAN SWAP SOMETHING ELSE. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. YEP. SO COMMISSIONER GONA WILL BE THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION COMMITTEE. UH, I'M ON THAT. I'D LIKE TO REMAIN ON THAT. UM, [02:05:01] INDIGENT HEALTH CONDUIT COMMISSIONER M**K IS ON THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL YELL WHEN THEY NEED YOU. YEP. DOES DOES THAT TIE INTO LIKE THE HELPING HANDS MEDICAL CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT. OR NOT? WHAT, WHERE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT DO? WELL, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE LIKE A ILA OR SOMETHING LEFT WITH HELPING HANDS, DON'T WE? UM, SO I DUNNO THAT THAT'S , SORRY. OR SORRY. UM, I'M NOT REAL SURE THAT IT, IT DOES. 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL, UM, AGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF THE NONPROFITS HELPING HANDS BEING ON MILLS ON WHEELS. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I'VE SEEN, I'VE HEARD OR ANYTHING FROM THOSE GROUPS IN, IN INDIGENT CARE IS MANDATED BY THE STATE. UH, AND IT'S A BUDGETARY REQUIREMENT THAT'S MANDATED BY THE STATE. UH, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR INDIGENT CARE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. UH, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A LIAISON TO STAY ON TOP OF IT. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN OUR INDIGENT, UH, CARE OKAY. UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT, THAT RUN IT FOR US. RIGHT. OKAY. GREAT. GOOD. UH, SO COMMISSIONER M**K WILL STAY ON THAT FLEET COMMITTEE. COMMISSIONER, ALANA, THAT ONE JUST MADE TOO MUCH SENSE. SORRY. YEAH. GLAD TO DO THAT. UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, SO I'VE GOT MYSELF AND, UH, MAJOR TODD CALKINS. UH, AND, UH, HE, HE CARRIES THE, THE WORK AND THE WEIGHT. AND I, I, I'M JUST THERE TO, TO APPLAUD. SO, UH, LAWYER COMMUNICATION COMMITTEE. SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A GROUP. SO WHEN WE WENT TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL ON SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL AREAS, AND WE'RE GONNA GET AN UPDATE ON THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN WITH, WITH THE COURT THAT I WOULD, UH, ALONE BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT, THAT HAD FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. UH, SO, UH, THEY ASSIGNED COMMISSIONER, WE ASSIGNED COMMISSIONER M**K, AND, AND WE MADE THE DECISIONS, UH, GOING FORWARD. WE HAD, UH, ALL COMMUNICATION. IF, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, GO BACK A YEAR, IF YOU WANTED TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME TO ME SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE, SOMEBODY COMMISSIONER, UH, GALANA HADN'T ALREADY ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. UH, SO IT ALL CAME THROUGH ME. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THAT FILTER COMPLETELY AND JUST SAY, WE CAN ALL TALK TO THE ATTORNEY. OKAY. NOW, BUT, BUT I GUESS WE'LL TALK AT ANOTHER TIME, BECAUSE WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN OUR BUDGET FOR THAT. CLEARLY THERE'S BUDGET IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S THERE, THERE DEFINITELY IS FOR THAT. OUR ATTORNEYS ARE REALLY GOOD AT SENDING US ITEMIZED BILLING THAT, SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. RAY. WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT IN, IN OUR BUDGET. AND, UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TYPICAL, UH, LIFE CYCLE OF, OF A COMMISSIONER. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS EARLY, AND THEN IT'S YEP. THEN IT'S GONNA WAINE OFF, AND THEN SOMETHING'S GONNA YEAH. POP UP. AND THEN, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE MORE QUESTIONS. SO, YEAH. SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED. NUMBER 27 LIBRARY BOARD. SO I, I AM ON THAT. LOVE THE LIBRARY BOARD. I JUST LOVE IT. I I WOULD LIKE TO ASSIGN COMMISSIONER LTI. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT IS, UH, IT'S A GREAT BOARD. YEAH. UH, BAIL BOND BOARD. UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THE JUDGE IS REQUIRED TO BE AT, EXCEPT MY TREASURER POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE BYLAWS THAT SAID, OR MY DESIGNEE, I VOTE FOR FRANK NEW TO BE FRANK NEWS DESIGNEE. . I'M KIDDING, MAN. THAT'S THE FIRST PUSHBACK WE GOT RIGHT THERE. OKAY. I WILL STAY ON THE BAIL BOND BOARD. UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. I HAVE ALL SLASH COMMISSIONER LTI. UH, I, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE, YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT. YOU'RE WELL VERSE IN. YOU'RE MY, MY QUESTION WITH THIS IS, IS IT, IT'S, IT'S, I BELIEVE THAT THE KIND OF, THE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS REALLY TO HELP FACILITATE WHO THE LEADER OF THIS STUFF IS. IF I HAVE A SUBDIVISION REGULATION QUESTION, I CAN ASK IT. I CAN SEND IT TO THE ENGINEER. I CAN, I I JUST THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE ALL. I THINK IT SHOULD BE LTY LTY. YEP. AND, AND KIND OF EMPOWER HIM TO, TO, TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST SUPER IMPORTANT. AND I ALSO THINK HE IS VERY UNIQUELY QUALIFIED, UM, TO, TO, TO, TO REALLY TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS. BECAUSE IF WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE, WE CAN BRING IT FORWARD. I MEAN, I, I, I, NOTHING PRECLUDES US FROM DOING THAT. I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND, AND MY, MY INTENTION WAS NOT TO PLACE ALL THE FOCUS AND ALL THE RISK ONTO A NEW COMMISSIONER AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, [02:10:01] NOW YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS. AND IF THEY'RE NOT SUFFICIENT, THAT'S, YOU GOTTA SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. UH, WE, WE ALL HAVE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. BUT I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS NO, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ALREADY GONNA HAVE TO GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM OUR GENERAL COUNSEL. SO, , THAT'S GOOD. JUST, IT'S GOOD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ATTORNEY KEEP ME IN LINE. AND, AND, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, SPECIALIZED COUNSEL HERE AS WELL, JUST SO YOU DON'T GET HIT FROM THE SIDE. NOT KNOW. NO, BUT I, I'M VERY, ACTUALLY VERY MUCH WANNA DO THIS. I, FOR, IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEND AN EXCITING CHRISTMAS VACATION, READ THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. IT'S A GREAT THING TO DO WHILE YOU'RE SITTING THERE WITH YOUR WIFE , IT, IT, IT, IT'S, YES. YES, SIR. YES. MARY MIGHT DISAGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, THAT BRINGS US TO STRATEGIC PLAN. OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER M**K IS THE LEAD ON THIS. AND, AND YOU KIND OF STOLE A LITTLE BIT OF MY THUNDER. MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT WHEN, WHEN WE ARE PRESENTED WITH THE PLAN THAT YEAH. WE, WE, WE LOOK AT OUR GOALS, WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM, EACH, EACH COMMISSIONER IS ASSIGNED A HERE'S SHORT TERM, HERE'S LONG TERM. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT IN. UM, SO IT, IT'S GONNA BE ALL OF US, BUT YOU'VE CLEARLY TAKEN THE LEAD AND THE BULK OF THE WORK. SO DEFINITELY BECAUSE ONCE WE MOVE INTO THE CHANGE MANAGEMENT AND INTO THE INVISIO, UM, SOFTWARE OR WHATEVER STRATEGIC PLAN SOFTWARE WE HAVE, EACH ONE OF US WILL, WILL OWN SOMETHING. YEP. I THINK THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO FORWARD. UH, COURT CONSTRUCTION. UH, SO WE, THAT'S THE ONE. WE DID THE LITTLE SNEAKY THING AND WE ASSIGNED A COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE, UH, BEFORE THE CURRENT COMMISSIONER, PRECINCT ONE WAS ABLE TO REGISTER A COMPLAINT. YEAH. I WAS OUT THERE. YEP. IT WAS OUT THERE. SO, UM, I HAVE MYSELF AND YOU ON THAT. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE MYSELF AND JUST HAVE, HAVE YOU THAT'S GREAT. ON THAT, UH, ANNEX CONSTRUCTION, UH, IS ME AND COMMISSIONER STACEY, I'VE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH EFFECTIVELY REMOVED MYSELF. 'CAUSE COMMISSIONER STACY HAS AUTHORITY TO, TO SIGN INVOICES AND, UH, KEEP THINGS MOVING. UH, THE SHERIFF REMODEL IS COMMISSIONER STACY, UH, JUST 'CAUSE HE'S BEEN ON IT FROM THE START. UH, WORKFORCE COMMISSION IS ONE OF 'EM THAT, UH, THE COUNTY JUDGE IS REQUIRED TO BE, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASSIGN COMMISSIONER STACY TO THAT. UH, IF NOBODY HAS ANY, ANY ISSUES, THAT'S SOMETHING, AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER, THAT'S PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. AND WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN. AND AS I'VE SAID, THAT'S ONE OF THE SIMPLER ONES. AND DON'T CONFUSE SIMPLE WITH THAT. I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE, BUT IT TRULY IS JUST ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. MM-HMM . THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO COMPLICATED ALGORITHM TO GO TO IT. WE JUST NEED MORE MONEY. UM, SO, UH, I'VE ADDED THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. DID SOMEBODY HAVE A QUESTION? NO. DID I IMAGINE A QUESTION? OKAY. I GUESS I DID. I'VE ADDED THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE COMMISSIONER ALANA TO BE ON THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, I'VE KIND OF, I DIP MY TOE IN THE WATER. UM, AND, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO SEND ME, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT BOARDS AND GRANTS AND, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WATER'S A A VERY MATURE ADULT CONVERSATION. WE NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE. YES. IT'S, UH, NCT 9 1 1 AGAIN, IS ANOTHER THAT COMES UNDER THE COG UMBRELLA. SHERIFF GARRETT HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR US, AND, UH, I THINK SHOULD CONTINUE. AND HE'S NOT PAYING ATTENTION, SO WE'LL ASSIGN HIM TO IT. UH, GET INTO IT. YEAH. WELL, NO, HE, HE AGREED. I WOULD NEVER, UH, BLUFF A MAN THAT HAS A TASER, UH, ROAD ROAD BOND LIAISON, UH, HAVE MYSELF ON THAT. AND THAT'S, THE AUDITOR NEEDS SOMEBODY AS A POINT OF CONTACT, UH, WHEN IT'S TIME TO ISSUE BONDS, TO SIGN BONDS TO, UH, TO KEEP THE SYSTEM FROM GETTING CLOGGED UP. UM, SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE END OF THE LIST. WHAT, WHAT DID WE MISS? IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO COME BACK TO IT. SINCE IT'S OUR LIST. IT, IT, IT IS OUR LIST. SO, UM, AND WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE LIST AS DISCUSSED. I'LL SECOND GOT IT. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT'S APPROVED. FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM [10. Discuss/Act on District Attorney's request to use CCL1, CCL2, 382nd, and 439th courtrooms for Regional Texas High School Mock Trial Scrimmages on Sunday, January 26, 2025, and all related issues; (Judge New - District Attorney)] 10, DISCUSS AND ACT ON DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S REQUEST TO USE COUNTY COURT OF LAW, ONE COUNTY [02:15:01] COURT OF LAW, 2 380 SECOND AND 439TH COURTROOMS FOR REGIONAL TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL MOCK TRIAL SCRIMMAGES ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 26TH, 2025. AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS IS PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE. CRAIG. CRAIG, DID YOU WANT TO COME? THIS IS SOMETHING AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO SOMETHING OUR, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY DOES REALLY NICE INVOLVE. YEAH. IT'S COMMUNITY AND IT'S GREAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND, AND GOOD MORNING JUDGE. AND, AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO THIS IS A REGIONAL PORTION OF A STATEWIDE MOCK TRIAL COMPETITION FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. UH, OUR OFFICE PARTICIPATES IN THAT BY, UH, UH, PROVIDING COACHING AND, AND ACTING AS JUDGES AND WITNESSES IN THE COMPETITION. WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COURT FOR TODAY IS PERMISSION TO USE THE FOUR COURTROOMS AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE. I CALL IT THE NEW COURTHOUSE. RIGHT. UH, CC ONE, CC TWO, AND THE TWO DISTRICT COURTS. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE JUDGES ARE ON BOARD WITH USING THAT. UM, IT'S SCHEDULED FOR, UH, JANUARY 26TH, SUNDAY AFTERNOON FOR ABOUT FOUR HOURS. UM, SO ONE, OUR ASK IS FOR PERMISSION TO USE THOSE COURTROOMS. THE SECOND IS, UH, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE BETWEEN 50 AND 75 PARTICIPANTS THERE, UM, THERE ARE SECURITY ISSUES. RIGHT. AND KEN'S BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE, WITH THE SHERIFF. UH, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM. UH, AND WE SPOKE BRIEFLY THIS MORNING. UM, HE'S AGREED THAT THAT SECURITY IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA AND THAT HE IS WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT. THE QUESTION JUST BECOMES HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? UM, IT'S MY HOPE THAT THE COURT WOULD ABSORB THAT COST SINCE THIS IS A, A COMMUNITY OUTREACH THING, AND IT'S GREAT FOR THESE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS. UH, ALL THAT TO SAY, IF, IF THE COURT WERE UNWILLING TO DO THAT, KENDA HAS ASSURED ME THAT SHE IS WILLING TO FIND THE MONEY IF NEED BE. IT'S THAT IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. NO, I THINK IT'S, I I, I LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE ARE, AS FAR AS A COURT, WE'RE SETTING A, WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENCE. DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT, THAT COME IN WITH? YOU KNOW, AND I'LL USE, YOU KNOW, WHEN ONE OF THE POLITICAL PARTIES WANTED TO HAVE THEIR, UM, ONE OF THEIR, SOME OF THEIR MEETINGS IN THERE, DO WE CHARGE THEM FOR THAT TYPE OF A COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS ANSWER. I DON'T THINK THE COURTS ARE ACTUALLY ON OUR FEE SCHEDULE. I KNOW LIBERTY HALL IS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE COURTS ARE. THE COURTS ARE, THIS, THIS IS, UH, UNUSUAL. OKAY. UNUSUAL SITUATION. IT IS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, WELL, BUT I MEANT FOR, I MEANT FOR THE SECURITY IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. NOT REALLY MEANING WHERE, WITH WHICH LOCATION IT WAS IN. WE, WE DO CHARGE FOR SECURITY. WHEN WE WAIVE THE FEES, WE DO NOT WAIVE THE SECURITY FEES. OKAY. EACH TIME IT'S COME TO COURT SINCE, SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON COURT. OKAY. SO SOMETIMES WE MIGHT WAIVE THE FEE FOR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT OR SOMETHING, BUT WE STILL CHARGE THEM FOR SECURITY. OKAY. OKAY. I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UH, NOT WAIVE THE FEE, BUT JUST ABSORB IT AND UNDERSTAND THE SHERIFF'S OVERTIME BUDGET'S GONNA GO UP. 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE DEPUTIES THERE. AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SEE A, A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE OVERTIME PAY FOR A COUPLE DEPUTIES. UM, WELL, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY ABSORBED THAT. WELL, THAT'S TECHNICALLY WOULD BE WAIVING ALL SECURITY FEES. I, I, I WOULD THINK. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME . YEAH. THE, THE END RESULT IS THE SAME AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT. SO THAT, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. RIGHT. AND SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE DA ABOUT THIS. IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME. I AGREE. WAIVE THE FEES, IF THERE IS A FEE FOR USING IN THE COURTROOMS, WAIVE IT. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING, IF WE SAY TO SHERIFF GARRETT, WE'RE GONNA ABSORB IT. BUT IT'S YOUR OUT, IT'S YOUR, UH, OVERTIME. UM, SOMEBODY'S GOT A BUDGET THEY GOTTA RECONCILE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IS THERE SUFFICIENT MONEY TO RECONCILE THAT IN YOUR BUDGET? AND I SEE THE NOD THAT THERE IS SO PERFECT. YES. YEAH. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE, UH, PAYROLL HERE AT SOME POINT TODAY THAT HAS THE SHERIFF'S OVERTIME IN IT AND OTHER PEOPLE'S OVERTIME THE REGULAR PAY. YEP. SO, UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT WE OKAY. GOOD. UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IF NOT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S REQUEST FOR THE STATED COURTROOM'S USE FOR THE REGIONAL TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL MOCK TRIAL SCRIMMAGES ON THE 26TH OF JANUARY, 2025. I'LL SECOND IT. SO WE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, WE ABSORB IT VIA OVERTIME IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET. UH, IF EVERYONE WILL CAST THEIR VOTE NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT. THANK YOU, [02:20:01] JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. HEY, DON'T GO TOO FAR. CRAIG, UH, BRINGS US TO, [11. Discuss/Act on settlement and release of claim for damages to fence at the Rockwall County Sheriff's Office, and all related issues; (Judge New - DA)] UH, AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON SETTLEMENT AND RELEASE OF A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES DEFENSE AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SIMPLE. IT, IT IS. AND ORDINARILY THESE WOULD COME TO YOU IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THIS ONE WAS SO SMALL AND SO STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT. NOW WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT TO YOU IN DECEMBER, I THINK DECEMBER 10TH, UH, THERE WAS A MINOR ACCIDENT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. A DELIVERY WAS BEING MADE. THE TRUCK WAS GIANT, TRIED TO MAKE A TURN, COULDN'T MAKE IT, AND IT RAN OVER A FENCE. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE DELIVERY TRUCK WAS FROM CANADA, SO WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE WITH NORDIC INSURANCE IN CANADA. UH, BUT BARRY BARRY OBTAINED AN ESTIMATE TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE. THE INSURANCE COMPANY IN CANADA, NORDIC, UH, IS SAYING, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO PAY IT. PLEASE SIGN THIS RELEASE OF CLAIM. AND, AND THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. AND I BELIEVE WE WERE ALSO GONNA ASK THEM TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE, UH, THE COMPANY TO FIX. OH, OH, YEAH. SO, SO THE COMPANY FROM WHOM, UH, BARRY GOT THE ESTIMATE WAS FIREHOUSE FENCE. FIREHOUSE FENCE. AND, UH, WE'D JUST LIKE TO, TO WRAP THIS ALL UP TOGETHER AND, AND ALLOW BARRY TO GET WITH THEM AND HAVE THEM COME OUT AND MAKE THOSE REPAIRS. OH, DID I MENTION THE AMOUNT IS $2,500? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I I JUST HAVE ONE. UM, AND SIMPLE, UH, WHY IS IT NOT, IS SHOULD WE BE GETTING A MUTUAL RELEASE? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY CLAIM THEY COULD MAKE AGAINST US? WE'RE RELEASING THEM. YEAH. WE, THERE, THERE'S NO CLAIM THEY COULD MAKE AGAINST US. SO, I, THE, THE BEST WAY I CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS, UH, I I IS TO SAY THAT THE SHERIFFS, UH, EXECUTED, UH, A A AN OFFENSE REPORT. AN INCIDENT REPORT ON IT. EVEN THE DRIVER SAID, HEY, THIS IS ON ME. I RAN OVER THE FENCE. SO THERE WAS REALLY JUST NO QUESTION. UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE YEAH. THAT WE WOULD NEED TO. ALRIGHT. UH, AND I PROBABLY NOT. I JUST SURE. WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CLAIM THAT WE WERE, THERE WAS CHASE OR ANYTHING GOING ON THAT THEY MIGHT COME BACK AT US FOR. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT RELEASE OF CLAIMS AND ALSO AUTHORIZE FIREHOUSE FENCE TO, UH, DO THE DAMAGES FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. IF I CAN JUST AMEND, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL ADD THE $2,500 IN THERE, I CAN. I I WILL. I'M, I'M AMENABLE TO THAT. SO I'LL, I, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO $2,500. SO WE'VE GOT AMENDED A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. M**K, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU WILL ENTER YOUR VOTES NOW? THANK YOU, SIR. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CRAIG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, SO YEAH, LET, LET'S TAKE A, A, A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK. IT'S 1123. WE'LL BE BACK IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 1139. WE WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION. WE ARE [12. Discuss/Act on the re-appointment of Dr. Dirk Perritt as the Local Health Authority for Rockwall County for two (2) years and providing the stipend of $1500.00 per month under the emergency declaration, and all related issues; (Judge New)] ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE REAPPOINTMENT OF DR. DIRK PARRETT AS THE LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY FOR TWO YEARS, AND PROVIDING THE STIPEND OF 1500 PER MONTH UNDER THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. UM, SO OF COURSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN PUBLIC, WE DON'T HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT. UH, WE, WE HAVE A HEALTH AUTHORITY, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY EFFICIENT WAY TO HANDLE ANY HEALTH ISSUES. DR. DIRK PARROT IS A JEWEL FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND I'M THANKFUL, THANKFUL TO HAVE HIM AS OUR HEALTH AUTHORITY. UM, SO I, I DIDN'T SEE THE NEED TO HAVE HIM HERE. HE IS BEEN OUR HEALTH AUTHORITY. SO NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REAPPOINT DR. DIRK PARROTT AS A LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY FOR TWO YEARS, UH, PROVIDING A STIPEND OF 1500 PER MONTH UNDER THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? PLEASE REGISTER. YOUR VOTE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS [13. Discuss/Act on appointing a member of the court to be the Contacting Officer for the Cedar Creek Site 3 and 13 on behalf of Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Judge New)] US TO AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPOINTED A MEMBER OF THE COURT TO BE THE CONTACTING THAT SHOULD READ CONTRACTING, I BELIEVE, OR IS THAT CONTACTING, CONTRACTING, CONTRACTING OFFICER FOR CEDAR CREEK SITE THREE AND 13 ON BEHALF OF ROCKWALL COUNTY IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. THIS IS SOMETHING COMMISSIONER BAILEY DID FOR US, [02:25:01] UH, WHEN, WHEN HE WAS HERE. SO WE NEED TO ASSIGN SOMEBODY. UM, MY MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THE, THE BULK OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING ON DOWN IN PRECINCT THREE. UH, THERE, THEREFORE, OUR PRECINCT THREE COMMISSIONER SHOULD, SHOULD BE THE CONTRACT. I THINK WE SHOULD OUT VOTE HIM BEFORE HE CAN TURN HIS MICROPHONE ON. NO, I'M KIDDING. . WELL, UM, I KNOW THIS, I'VE ALREADY GOT ABOUT FIVE EMAILS ON THIS, AND I SENT YOU AN EMAIL AND SAID, HEY, I CAN'T, THEY ASKED ME TO DO THIS. I CAN'T. AND I WAS KIND ENOUGH THAT THE COUNTY SENT ME ALL THIS PAPERWORK THAT I CAN APPROVE. SO IF YOU DON'T APPROVE ME, WHICH IS WOULD BE FINE WITH ME, THEN I JUST MAY GIVE THE RIGHT PERSON WHO'S SUPPOSED TO DO IT ALL. UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT, UM, COMMISSIONER LAUREN LTY TO BE THE CONTRACTING OFFICER FOR CEDAR CREEK SITE THREE AND 13 ON BEHALF OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STA. I WILL SECOND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, AFTER A VERY EFFECTIVE THREAT BY COMMISSIONER LTE. SO IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THAT [14. Discuss/Act on approving appointments/re-appointments to the Rockwall County Historical Commission, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 14, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING APPOINTMENTS SLASH REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH. SO, UM, UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI FOR TAKING OVER THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. SO THIS WILL BE MY LAST ACT AS THE, THE LIAISON. UM, COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND MARK RUSSO ARE COMING OFF THE COMMISSION. SO I DO HAVE A, A LIST OF NAMES. AND, UM, IT SHOULD COME AS A SURPRISE TO NONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEIR NAMES ARE ON THIS LIST. SO WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ALL. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA LIST THE NAMES AND I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. UM, I, I THINK THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN DOING AN, AN AMAZING JOB, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE. SO, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF TRAVIS SELLS, BETHANY BROWNING, RICHARD SLAUGHTER, PAULA MORRIS, RICK DONALDSON, JANET NICHOL, JOHNNY MEYERS, FRANK LOCKE, AND PAUL DAY TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. AND I WILL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUST A QUICK, UM, FOR OUR P PAPERWORK, UM, MYERS IS SPELLED WRONG. IT WAS M-Y-E-R-S VERSUS MEY. JUST TO CLAR. JUST TO, OH, OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL, WE CAN GET THAT FIXED. YEAH, I FIGURED. SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTES. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. BRINGS US TO [15. Discuss/Act on authorizing Request for Proposals and/or Request for Qualifications for transportation-related consulting services or related professional services for County-wide policy and strategy development, and all related issues; (Judge New)] AGENDA ITEM 15, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZING REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND OR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION RELATED CONSULTING SERVICES OR RELATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR COUNTYWIDE POLICY AND STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S TIME WE SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR MONEY AND, AND MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE GETTING ALIGNS WITH WHERE, WHERE THIS COURT IS AT AND, AND WANTS TO GO. UH, THE STEP WITH THAT FIRST STEP IS TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID SO PEOPLE CAN TELL US WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT SERVICES THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER, AND WHAT PRICES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE SERVICES. SO I, I WANNA ASK A QUESTION, UM, JUDGE, IF I MAY, UM, IS THIS FOR THE FY 26 TI TIME PERIOD THAT WE'RE DOING THIS NOW? IS THAT THE INTENT FOR THE RFQ? UH, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GIVE 'EM WHEN THE TIME WOULD START AND END, RIGHT? RIGHT. NO, I, I WOULD SAY FOR 25, I MEAN, I, I WOULD OKAY. SAY WE, WE HAVE A TYPICAL PROCEDURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A 60 DAY OR 90 DAY WINDOW. SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE QUALIFICATIONS BACK OR PROPOSALS FOR 60 DAYS. MM-HMM . SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, UH, TO, TO START IN THE SUMMER. OKAY. I, I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO START ON FY 26 IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THOSE, UM, I ALSO, UM, WOULD LIKE TO, AS WE GET, EXCUSE ME, CAN I INTERRUPT? 'CAUSE ON THIS POINT, I HAD A QUESTION ON THIS. GOOD. WE HAVE A CURRENT CONTRACT, CORRECT. WITH OUR EXISTING AND WHEN DOES THAT EXPIRE? UH, UM, SEPTEMBER 30TH. SEPTEMBER 30TH. SEPTEMBER 30TH. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WAS, YES. UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO, LIKE, AS THE RFQ HAS COME IN THAT AS WHETHER WE'RE THE COURT THAT'S NARROWING IT DOWN AND LOOKING AT 'EM, I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF THIS TO GO TO THE, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR NOT, NOT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE CONSORTIUM GROUP. I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ITEMS, THE TRANSPORTATION ITEMS. AND, UM, 'CAUSE WE DID, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF COMMISSIONERS, UM, LI AND, AND GALANA, WE DID TAKE A, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY [02:30:01] WANNA CALL IT A STRAW POLL, BUT, UM, LAST SUMMER, THIS, THIS TOPIC CAME UP AND WE DID TAKE THAT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CONSORTIUM MEETING. AND EVERYONE THAT IS A MEMBER OF IT, IT WENT AROUND THE TABLE. AND SO THEY EACH WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR, THEIR WISHES, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PER, YOU KNOW, THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR, FOR THE CONSORTIUM AND FOR THEIR, THEIR CITIES. UH, OKAY. I, I'LL USE MY FAVORITE QUESTION OF WHAT, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? WHAT IS THE PERCEIVED ISSUE, WHY WE WOULD WANT TO DO THIS, JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, SINCE I'M NEW. AND, AND THEN TWO, THIS, TO ME, THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY COMPLEX AND FAR REACHING, UH, DECISION, UH, TO POTENTIALLY MAKE IF WE WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE. AND SO HA THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR PARTNER CITIES MM-HMM . I BELIEVE, UH, GREATLY AND OUR CONSORTIUM. AND, UM, AND THAT CONCERNS ME. HAVE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF WITH THEM? OR ARE WE SOLELY ACTING JUST FOR THE COURT? IF JUST GIMME SOME BACKGROUND. SO THIS, THIS IS SEEING WHAT'S OUT THERE, UH, SEEING WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR WHAT WE'RE PAYING. UM, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN SEEING WHAT'S OUT THERE, PUTTING IT OUT FOR QUOTE. OKAY. UH, WE, WE, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN SADDLED UP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD MANY PEOPLE SPEAK TODAY AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS ARE REALLY KIND OF FUNNY. UM, NOT, NOT FUNNY AND, UH, HUMOROUS WAY, BUT, UH, INTERESTING. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY TO SAY WE CAN'T CHA CHANGE THE WAY WE'VE DONE ROADS BECAUSE IT'S SO SUCCESSFUL. ROADS ARE HORRIBLE ALMOST IN THE SAME BREATH. SO, UH, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE THE WAY WE'VE DONE ROADS, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNTIL WE SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, TO SEE WHAT IT COSTS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET. AS I DIG INTO THIS, THERE'S SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL ENTITIES THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WAY WE'VE DONE BUSINESS. AND AGAIN, WE CAN ALL AGREE THE WAY WE'VE DONE BUSINESS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, SOMETIMES THINGS WORKED 20 YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY NOW. AND WE CAN'T KNOW THAT TILL WE PUT IT OUT BID AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET AND WHAT IT COSTS. OKAY. JUDGE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. UH, I'M ASSUMING I'LL BE PUTTING THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER, UH, FOR YOU. UH, AND THEN I'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO COURT SO YOU CAN SEE THE SCOPE THAT, THAT I'M GOING TO ENTAIL IN YOUR DOCUMENT. UH, BUT YOU'RE, YOU SAID PRICING, BUT THEN WOULDN'T THIS BE MORE OF A QUALIFICATION SINCE IT'S, UH, CONSULTING? I DON'T THINK YOU'D REALLY WANT TO GO BY DOLLAR AMOUNTS AS YOUR CHOICE. NO. I WANNA SEE QUALIFICATIONS AND SEE WHAT SERVICES THEY CAN OFFER. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE PUTTING PRICING IN IN THERE. THAT WOULD BE AN AFTER EFFECT OF THAT WOULD BE AN AFTER. YEAH. ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED ON WHAT FIRM YOU WANNA DISCUSS WITH, THEN WE CAN START NEGOTIATIONS. OKAY. I'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. ARE YOU IN INTERESTED IN THIS? WELL, LET, LET, LET'S WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES. OKAY. BECAUSE IF HISTORY SHOWS ME NOTHING ELSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S THE, I'M NOT GONNA COUNT THESE PARTICULAR CHICKENS BEFORE THE EGGS HATCH. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND A FEW COMMENTS. SOME OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, SO I WON'T ASK 'EM AGAIN. UM, BUT DO YOU KNOW, UH, LISA HAS THE, I KNOW THE COUNTY ROAD CONSORTIUM WAS IN EFFECT IN 2008 'CAUSE I WAS A PART OF IT THEN. MM-HMM . AND IT MAY HAVE STARTED ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT. HAVE WE EVER BID FOR THESE SERVICES BEFORE? AND, AND BID IS NOT THE RIGHT TERM. I KNOW. YEAH. YOU GOT AN RFP OR RFQ, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU ARE ACT I THIS WOULD, THE, THE CONSORTIUM, THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSORTIUM WAS PROBABLY, PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE MY TIME, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, . BUT, UH, UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE, UH, THE COUNTY NORMALLY HAS DONE IT, UH, TO GO OUT. I, I, I THINK BECAUSE OF IT, THAT THEY CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A CONSOL PROFESSIONAL SERVICE FOR, RIGHT. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT. BUT I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK HISTORICALLY, SIR. WELL, TO GET YOU THE TRUE ANSWER ON THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I ASK IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT MY ASSUMPTION WAS WE NEVER HAVE. OKAY. I, I AGREE WITH YOU. SO, UM, OKAY. SO I, [02:35:01] A FEW COMMENTS HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUDGE, PLEASE. OKAY. IN GENERAL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO BID PROJECTS AND SERVICES, AND I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE ADVICE. I KNOW I'VE HEARD, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PERIPHERALLY OR DIRECTLY IN THIS FOR AL ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, A LONG TIME IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE, WHEN I WAS BACK ON THE CITY GOVERNMENT IN HEATH. AND I, I HEAR THAT WE HAVE GREAT SERVICE AND WE HAVE GREAT SUCCESS. I'D NEVER HEARD HOW WE MEASURE THAT. OKAY. SO WE MAY HAVE THE BEST SUCCESS POSSIBLE, OR WE MAY BE FAILURES MM-HMM . BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE MEASURE IT. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA THAT WE DO THIS AND WE GO OUT AND SEEK A, AN RFP OR AN RFQ, WHICHEVER IT'S CALLED, AND LOOK AT IT. UM, AND I WANT TO JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEKING AN RFP OR AN RFQ DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE CHANGING CONSULTANTS. RIGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE TALKED WITH OUR CURRENT CONSULTANT MANY TIMES. I KNOW EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT HAS, I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE, I'VE TALKED TO SOME DURING THE BREAK THAT SAID THEY'VE MET WITH HIM, HE'S AVAILABLE, HE'S WORKS HARD MM-HMM . BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE ADVICE AND THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS WE CAN AS A COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DOING THIS. UM, AND I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE OUR CURRENT CONSULTANTS TO SUBMIT AND BID BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE WANTING TO CHANGE. AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I VIEW THE WORLD. I KNOW WHEN I WAS PRACTICING AS AN ATTORNEY AND I WAS REPRESENTING A CLIENT, AND THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, I GOT A BUDDY WHO'S DOWN AT, AT FIRM X, Y, Z. AND HE SAYS THIS, IT ALWAYS MAKES YOU A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT IT ALWAYS GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT OUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD AND TELL, SAY, TELL YOU, HERE'S WHAT I DO AND HERE'S WHY I'M THE BEST. OKAY. AND SO THAT MY PRIMARY CONCERN ON WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS THAT THIS, AS, AS I THINK BOBBY AND, UH, DANA BO SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS MORE THAN JUST THE COUNTY. OKAY. WE'VE GOT A, A ROAD CONSORTIUM THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. AND I KNOW NOW WE, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING TO A ROAD SLASH INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S JUST IN MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION. AND SO TO ME, THE CURRENT CONSULTANT IS PROVIDING SERVICES NOT JUST TO THE COUNTY, BUT TO EVERYBODY ON THAT BOARD. AND I, I KNOW FROM JUST CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH VARIOUS CITY OFFICIALS, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT TALK TO THE, OUR CONSULTANT WITHOUT DOING IT IN THE FORMAL CONTEXT OF A CONTRACT BECAUSE HE'S OUR CONSULTANT. MM-HMM . SO WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S IMPACTING ALL THESE PEOPLE. AND I WANNA QUOTE FROM OUR WEBSITE, THIS IS THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. IT SAYS, THE COUNTYWIDE PLANNING CONSORTIUM. PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO FACILITATE COMMUNICATION ON TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES AND COUNTYWIDE ISSUES TO ENSURE STAKEHOLDERS ARE INFORMED AND PARTICIPATING IN THE IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION DECISIONS BEING MADE. AND THEN I WANT TO QUOTE FROM OUR DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS IS GOAL NUMBER THREE, WHICH MEANS IT'S A BIG DEAL, STRENGTHEN LOCAL, REGIONAL, AND STATE COLLABORATION. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH A ROAD CONSORTIUM, AND WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ALL THESE DECISIONS AND WE WANNA BUILD COLLABORATION. SO WHY AM I BRINGING ALL THIS UP? NOT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT AS, UH, DANA MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, I THINK IF, WHEN WE PROCEED WITH THIS, I, I WOULD ASK FOR THREE THINGS AND YOU SAID YOU'LL WRITE THIS. RFPI, I DON'T WRITE RFPS, SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M STEPPING ON TOES. BUT TOMORROW NIGHT THERE'S A ROAD CONSORTIUM MEETING MM-HMM . I DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. AND I WOULD ASK FOR THREE THINGS THAT THE ROAD CONSORTIUM OR REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ROAD CONSORTIUM ONE ASSIST US IN DRAFTING THE RFP AND RF Q2. THEY REVIEW THE RESPONSES WE GET FROM THE VARIOUS, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING, AND THREE, THAT THEY GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF WHAT THEY THINK AND HOW THEY EVALUATE THOSE. NOW, ULTIMATELY, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR DECISION. SURE. [02:40:01] AND, UH, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE HERE, BUT ULTIMATELY, SINCE WE'RE PAYING THE COST, IT'S OUR DECISION TO MAKE. BUT IF WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT COLLABORATION AND WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT WORKING WITH THE ROAD CONSORTIUM, THEN THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I WOULD WANNA SAY. WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THIS MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE THOSE THREE, THREE THINGS WITHIN IT. I, I LIKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS. YEAH. UH, I LIKE ALL THREE. UH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. GOOD, GOOD. LOGICAL, FUNDAMENTAL, UH, GOVERNANCE. YEAH. I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER LTI, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THAT WE CREATE DISUNITY IN THE CONSORTIUM THAT IF WE, I MEAN, YOU'RE PUTTING OUT AN RFP OR RFQ, LET'S BE HONEST, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE CONSIDERING MAKING A CHANGE. NOT, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S TELL THE REAL STORY. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONSIDERING MAKING A CHANGE. WHAT IF THE CITIES DON'T, AND HOW DOES A CONSORTIUM MOVE FORWARD AFTER THAT? AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER. ALTHOUGH, YES, WE BEAR THE COST, BUT THAT MEANS ALSO WE BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF UNITY. AND WE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD AT THIS CONSORTIUM BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN UNIFIED. AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO SUDDENLY DECIDE TO POTENTIALLY RISK THAT UNITY, THEN I, I ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU SUGGESTED. COMMISSIONER TY, THANKS. MOVING FORWARD. AND, AND, AND BOBBY, I PLEASE IF, IF WHAT I SAID SOUNDED LIKE WE PAY FOR IT, WE GET TO MAKE A DECISION. I DIDN'T MEAN THAT STRONG HANDILY I THAT WAY. AND I WOULD, UH, REFER TO WHAT, UH, MARK KIPPE SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO IN HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH I THINK IS VERY ASTUTE. UM, YOU BROKE IT, YOU FIX IT, IT'S YOUR PROBLEM. AND SO I DON'T WANNA BREAK SOMETHING THAT WORKS. I DON'T. AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THAT INPUT. THANK YOU. AND I, I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DIDN'T WRITE 'EM DOWN. SO YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION , UH, ASSIST IN DRAFTING THE R-F-P-R-F-Q, UH, REVIEW THE RESPONSES MM-HMM . AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR THE THREE. AND, UM, COURT, I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE, THE CURRENT, UM, UM, UM, COMPANY, UM, OUR CONSULTANT IS IN THE ROOM, AND I HAD SPOKEN, 'CAUSE HE DID SEE THE, THE, UM, AGENDA ITEM. AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ITS THAT THEY ARE VERY OPEN TO, UM, TO, TO THIS, THIS, UM, REQUEST. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UM, MR. POLLSTER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING OTHER TO SAY THAT YOU, YOU WANTED TO TE TELL US YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR JOHN POLLSTER, INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS. UH, AND I WOULD SAY I ENCOURAGE THIS ACTION. UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MOST OF MY CLIENTS FOR 30, 20, 22 YEARS. AND, UH, ALL MY OTHER CLIENTS DON'T TRUST WHAT'S OUT THERE. AND THEY GO OUT ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. SO I WOULD SAY, UH, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THANK YOU, SIR. WELL, AND, AND JUDGE, I'LL JUST ADD TOO THAT, UM, IN THE PAST WHEN WE DID A JOINT, UM, I, I THINK IT WAS FOR AMBULANCE SERVICES, MARY, THE, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, UH, CITY PURCHASING AGENT MYSELF, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US ASSIGNED FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT WE WENT OUT, WENT OUT FOR BID FOR AMBULANCE, SEARCH SERVICES FOR THE COUNTY, AND THEN, AND THEN WE ALL MET TOGETHER AND EVALUATED TOGETHER. SO, UH, AND THEN SUBMITTED TO THE COURT WITH A RECOMMENDATION. SO YEAH, I WAS ON THE INTERVIEWING COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF HEATH BACK WHEN THAT HAPPENED. SO, YEAH. SO SOME, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING? YEAH. THAT DEPENDS TO THE CONSORTIUM. I MEAN, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE. UH, MR. POLLSTER MAY BE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE MAY BE RIDING THE BEST HORSE. I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. AND, AND LIKE MAYOR JOHANSEN SAID, WHO, UH, UH, SPOKE, UH, FROM MY HEART AS WELL, HE DOESN'T TRUST GOVERNMENT. UH, I, I, I DON'T EITHER. WE GET LETHARGIC. UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE THE MISTAKE OR THE STATEMENT HERE BEFORE THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE BROKE AND IT SHOULD BE HARD. IT SHOULDN'T BE EASY TO BE IN GOVERNMENT. WHEN WE START MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON EASE OF OUR JOB, WE, WE LOSE SIGHT OF THE CITIZENS. SO, UH, BUT MY THOUGHTS IS TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE AND THEN LET'S GO BACK TO THE CONSORTIUM AND THEN SEE WHICH DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO AND DO AND, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL THE MEMBER CITIES ARE IN THE ROOM. SO WOULD WE, WE WOULD WANNA BRING THIS UP AS AN AGENDA ITEM PERHAPS FOR TOMORROW NIGHT'S MEETING. UH, THE AGENDA'S ALREADY SET, BUT IT IS SO GENERAL, THE REASON THE CONSORTIUM IS A CONSORTIUM IS THERE'S NO, [02:45:01] UH, MINUTES TO BE KEPT. AND IT IS JUST ROADS. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH ROADS TOMORROW. OKAY. UH, I THINK AND, AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT TOMORROW. IT MAY BE PREMATURE IF WE DON'T HAVE RFPS BACK. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING THEORIES AND TRUE, NOT REALITIES, BUT WE MAY FIND SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO STEP UP AND BE A PART OF THE TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT, UM, LISA WAS TALKING ABOUT WHILE AGO WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT'S A PART OF PUTTING THAT RFQ TOGETHER. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, UH MM-HMM . TOMORROW NIGHT IF WE WANT TO, BUT I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE IF THIS GOES OUT, IT'S 60, 90 DAYS. UH, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONSORTIUM MM-HMM . BY THEN THAT WE CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE GOT. DO WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER AN INTERVIEWING COMMITTEE? DO WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER? OKAY. UM, OKAY. A HIRING COMMITTEE, WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? YEAH. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE, THE REQUIREMENTS WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THE RFP ARE, UH, DISCUSSED IN THE CONSORTIUM IS WHAT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING AT. YEP. THAT, THAT WAS, IS PART OF THE DEAL. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY, THAT WAS, UH, NUMBER ONE ON COMMISSIONER TY'S LIST ASSIST IN DRAFTING MM-HMM . GOOD, GOOD JUDGE. YES, MA'AM. CLARIFY THAT THE MINUTES, UM, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY TYPED OUT LIKE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES ARE, BUT THEY ARE, THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HM. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS OR, AND OR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION RELATED CONSULTING SERVICES AND RELATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR COUNTYWIDE POLICY AND STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT AS A PART OF THAT, RFP, THE ROAD CONSORTIUM OR REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ROAD CONSORTIUM BE INVOLVED IN ASSISTING IN DRAFTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RFP OR RFQ THAT THE ROAD CONSORTIUM WHERE IT'S REPRESENTATIVES BE INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THE RESPONSES AND THAT THE ROAD CONSORTIUM OR ITS, UH, REPRESENTATIVES MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR OUR CONSIDERATION AS TO WHO TO ACCEPT. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. OKAY. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US [16. Discuss/Act on appointing a member of the Court to serve as Judge Pro-Tern for FY2025, and all related issues; (Judge New)] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPOINTED A MEMBER OF THE COURT TO SERVE AS JUDGE PRO TEM FOR FFY 2025 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. SO, UH, STATUTORILY THE PERSON WITH THE MOST SENIORITY IS IN THE ABSENCE OF THE JUDGE TO FULFILL THEIR DUTIES IS THE JUDGE PRO TEMP. WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE WHO WERE SWORN IN SAME TIME, UH, SAME DAY. SO WE, WE HAVE, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE THEN WE HAD ANOTHER PAIR. YY YES. SO NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, YOU'RE GONNA BE STUCK WITH THE SAME SORT OF POTENTIAL. UM, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE ADDITIONAL DUTIES THAT COME WITH JUDGE PRO TEM. IT'S NOT JUST BEING THE PRESIDING OFFICER. IF, IF THE JUDGE IS NOT HERE FOR COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THE, THE MORE SERIOUS THING IS IN THE ABSENCE OF THE JUDGE, UH, THE, THE ABILITY TO SIGN EMERGENCY ORDERS. WE EXPERIENCED THAT LAST MA LAST MAY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. UM, SO LA LAST MAY WAS A GOOD TRIAL, TRIAL RUN, I BELIEVE I WAS IN A, A CRUZ AND IN, UH, MIDDLE OF ALASKA LOOKING AT GLACIERS. AND, UH, ROCKWALL COUNTY WAS HAVING AN EMERGENCY AND HAD TO ACTIVATE THE EOC. AND, UM, SO WE, WE'VE MADE SEVERAL ADJUSTMENTS SINCE THEN. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, WE NEED TO APPOINT OUR, OUR JUDGE PRO TEM. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY BE OUR, OUR JUDGE PRO TEM. AND, AND I THINK THAT WHEN I WAS TALKING TO COMMISSIONER M**K, OUR GOAL WAS TO BASICALLY ALTERNATE SINCE HER AND I HAVE THE SENIORITY ANNUALLY. YES. AND I FEEL LIKE WITH, UH, HER WORK TO GET THE STRATEGIC PLAN HOME, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE FOR THE ALTERNATION TO BE THAT WAY. BUT, UM, THAT IS WHAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS TO, UH, CHANGE HER MIND. BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WROTE THIS ORIGINALLY IN THE DECORUM, THE IDEA WAS WE WOULD JUST ALTERNATE BACK AND FORTH EACH YEAR AND, AND WILL THAT REQUIRE, UH, A COURT DECISION? IT WOULD TECHNICALLY REQUIRE A COURT DECISION EVERY JANUARY, WHICH IS FINE. WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO OUR COMMITTEE [02:50:01] COMMITTEE LIST. SO, BUT AS A WOMAN, MY PREROGATIVE CHANGED MY MIND. THAT'S FAIR. YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT WHAT I WANNA, WHAT I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, 'CAUSE I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE SERIOUSNESS OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED LIKE LAST MAY. SO I, BUT I THINK EACH, I, I DON'T LIKE THE, THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER YEAR JUST CHANGING BETWEEN YOU AND I. AND IF BOTH OF US GET REELECTED AGAIN, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE EIGHT FULL YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS. WELL, WELL, THE WAY THIS WAS WRITTEN, WITHOUT ONE, IT CAN BE ANY MEMBER. THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. AND, AND I DID LOOK AT THE, UM, THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AS WELL AS, UM, I THINK IT WAS ONE MORE PLACE THAT THEY HAVE IT ON THERE AND THEY SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SENIOR MEMBER MM-HMM . IT CAN BE SOMEONE THAT IS APPOINTED BY THE, UM, UM, BY THE COURT. SO, UM, I, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I, ALTHOUGH I WOULD, WOULD, WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY WITH THE WAY WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I THINK PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS I'M GOING TO BE STILL VERY, UM, DEEP INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND, UM, THE, THE, THE EXECUTION AND THE FOLLOW THROUGH. SO I, I DON'T SEE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD, I'M READY TO TAKE ON. UM, SO I HAD, UM, IN LIEU OF THIS CONVERSATION, I HAD SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER LTI BECAUSE HE HAS, HE HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOT OF SERVICE JUST IN GENERAL YEAH. WITH, UM, AS BEING CHAIRMANS OF DIFFERENT BOARDS. BUT HE WAS THE MAYOR AND, AND IN, IN CITY GOVERNMENT, AND MOST OF US ON HERE HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL OF SOME KIND. THEY USUALLY JUST, EVERY OTHER YEAR THEY JUST KIND OF KEEP, YOU KNOW, PICKING ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT MAYBE NOT, HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE THE MAYOR PROTE AT THAT CASE. SO I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK, AND I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT AT THIS POINT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. SO I, I I DO AND I'M GOING TO CHANNEL COMMISSIONER LTI. WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SAYING? ? WHAT DID I DO THAT RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT HOW YOU THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE. PRETTY CLOSE. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? YEAH, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY? UM, SORRY, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT I SPOKE TO HIM. I'M SORRY. I I DID SPEAK WITH COMMISSIONER LICHTY BEFORE I MADE THIS COMMENT BEFORE I MADE THIS COMMENT TODAY. SO YOU WANT COMMISSIONER LICHTY TO BE THE JUDGE PRO TEM FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS? NO, JUST ONE YEAR. JUST ONE YEAR. OKAY. JUST ONE YEAR. OKAY. THE, THE WAY THE RULES OF DECORUM REED, UM, THIS IS ELECTED THE FIRST JANUARY OF EVERY YEAR. YES. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID THAT THIS IS OFTEN USUALLY A ROTATING POSITION. AND, UM, I INTERESTING YOU WERE ON A CRUISE LAST YEAR. UM, IT ALMOST IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT CALENDARS AND WE CERTAIN CERTAINLY SHOULD. 'CAUSE IF YOU AND I ARE BOTH ON A CRUISE, THEN YEAH, I DON'T LIKE CRUISES, BUT I, I DO LIKE HUNTING. OKAY. IF YOU AND I ARE BOTH HUNTING AND, UH, SO YEAH, BUT I, LOOK, I, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD HERE BECAUSE I'M, THIS IS MY FIRST DAY IN COURT. UM, I HAVE BEEN ON THE MAYOR OF HEATH AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF AND I APPRECIATE DANA'S THOUGHT, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. IT CERTAINLY IS. NO DISRESPECT TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY, BUT, UM, YEAH, LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WILL HOLD, NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE GREAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, UM, AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS, BEING A COMMISSIONER, UH, AND OR BEING A JUDGE AND A MAYOR IS TWO, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. COUNTY GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS, COUNTY JUST IN GENERAL FUNCTIONS DIFFERENT THAN ANY POLITICAL ENTITY OUT THERE. IT, IT IS JUST DIFFERENT TO ITSELF. THERE'S CERTAIN ISSUES. I KNOW COMMISSIONER STACEY HAS BEEN IN THE EOC WHEN WE'VE HAD TO STAND IT UP AND, AND ACTUALLY GO, GO TO LEVEL TWO AND POSSIBLY EVEN LEVEL ONE EMERGENCY. UH, AND, AND JUST HAS, HAS TWO YEARS OF, OF HISTORY. UM, AND, AND, UM, NOT THAT AGAIN, YOU WOULDN'T BE A GREAT PERSON AND DO A GREAT JOB, BUT IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO LET GO OF TWO YEARS OF HISTORY OF SOMEBODY THAT, THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERY DEPARTMENT AND, AND, AND KNOWS WHO TO CALL, WHEN TO CALL, WHERE TO CALL. UM, UH, I, I THINK, UM, AND AGAIN, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS, BUT I THINK THE CITIZENS WILL BE BETTER SERVED TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE NOW, NO OFFENSE TAKEN. UH, THANK YOU. NOW, IF, IF YOU, UM, WERE JUDGE PROTI, YOU COULD REACH OUT TO COMMISSIONER STACEY AND HE WOULD HELP YOU AND GIVE YOU ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE POINT WHAT TRULY, TRULY, I MEAN, WE, WE [02:55:01] DON'T OPERATE WHILE, WHILE WE'RE PRECINCTS, WE DON'T OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY. WE OPERATE LIKE A BIG CITY. UH, SO WE DO HELP EACH OTHER. UH, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING SOMEBODY WITH THE TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND THE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE THAT COMMISSIONER STACEY HAS, SO MY, MY, MY REQUEST WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT AGAIN, UM, I'M ONE VOTE, I AM ONE JUDGE, ONE VOTE. SO, UH, AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, I'M NOT OUT OF TOWN IN ANY ISSUES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE, THERE IS A COURT IN MARCH THAT, UH, JUDGE PRO TE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THE PRESIDING OFFICER. WELL, THIS, THIS, THIS, WHEN ARE WE BE OUTTA TOWN? IF SHE KEEPS NAGGING IN MY HEAD, CAN WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY. YES, WE ARE. CAN WE DEFER THIS TILL AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? WHEN, WHICH IS, WHICH I THINK IT FALLS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, OR DOESN'T IT? I'M GONNA ASK, YOU CAN'T DISCUSS POLICY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT YOU CAN ASK FOR ATTORNEY CLIENT OR YOU CAN HAVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATED DISCUSSION. SO IF THE, IF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR ATTORNEY ADVICE ON WHAT IS THE IMPACT IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, THAT CAN BE AN EXECUTIVE. YEAH, I THOUGHT, UM, IT DEALT WITH PERSONNEL MATTERS. ISN'T THIS A PERSONNEL MATTER? AND THE REASON I WANNA DISCUSS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS 'CAUSE I WANNA CHECK MY CALENDAR AGAINST YOURS. 'CAUSE IF I'M, IF I'M OUT TOWN WHEN YOU'RE OUTTA TOWN, THEN I WOULD NOT EVEN BE, WANNA, WANT TO PUT A COUNTY IN THAT POSITION. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT DOES, UH, COME IN UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THAT'S DEFINED. THAT'S A PRETTY NARROW EXCEPTION TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. UH, AND I BELIEVE IT RELATES TO EMPLOYEES, NOT NECESSARILY TO THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION. I CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW THOUGH, JUST OH, SURE. COULD YOU? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE, UH, GOING TO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYWAY. IF, IF, UH, IF IT TAKES A FEW MINUTES, WE CAN, UH, I CAN LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE COME BACK IN. IF YOU WANT TO DEFER ACTION ON THIS UNTIL AFTER, THEN WELL, THAT'D BE MY THOUGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY DECISION. YOU ONLY GOT ONE DAY OFF ALL YEAR AND THAT DAY WILL DISSOLVE. DUDE, YOU ARE HARDWORKING. AND THAT DAY WILL DISSOLVE BEFORE IT GETS HERE. , YOU'RE HARDWORKING. WELL, HERE'S THE DEAL. I KNOW I AM OUT OF TOWN. I'M PLANNING TO BE OUT TOWN IN MAY 'CAUSE I AM GOING HUNTING. OKAY. YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING ON A CRUISE. I'M TAKING MY DAUGHTER TO GERMANY FOR A GRADUATION. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. THANK YOU. SO I'M OUT THE FIRST, BASICALLY FIRST TWO WEEKS OF MAY. SO I'M IN, I'M IN MARCH. YES, NO PROBLEM THERE. AND JOHN, HAVE, I GUESS Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT YOUR SCHEDULE TOO. YEAH, I'M, YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT PART OF IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I, I THINK THAT RESOLVES WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULING CONFLICT, SO WE, WE'VE GOT A DECISION TO MAKE. UM, UH, SO WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. ACTUALLY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT, UH, JOHN STA AS JUDGE PROTI FOR FY 2025 TO SERVE FOR ONE YEAR. HERE IT IS MY MOTION, AND IT'S AT THIS POINT THAT I HEAR A CLOCK TICKING IN MY HEAD, PROBABLY SO LOUD. OTHERS CAN HEAR IT, THAT IT JUST TICKS, TICKS, TICKS. AND THE MOTION FAILS FOR A LACK OF A SECOND. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS I'LL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT LAUREN LICHTY TO BE JUDGE PROTE FOR FY 2025. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS JUDGE PROTE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER HERE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I'M GONNA JUMP DOWN AND TAKE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER [20. Discuss/Act on approving the Hardware Change Amendment 1 with Tyler Technologies, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] 20, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE HARDWARE CHANGE AMENDMENT ONE WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED BY LEGAL. UM, IT ACTUALLY COMES AS NO ADDITIONAL COST, BUT IT IS A NEEDED AMENDMENT DUE TO SOME CHANGES WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. SO I'M JUST ASKING THE COURT'S APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN GET THE PROPER HARDWARE AND ALLOW THIS SOFTWARE TO FUNCTION AS INTENDED BY THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE [03:00:03] COM. COMMISSIONER, IS THERE ANY, UM, IS THERE ANY, UM, COST INVOLVED WITH THIS AMENDMENT WITH THIS? THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE HARDWARE CHANGE AMENDMENT ONE WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES. UH, I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALATA. FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'LL KNOW THE ANSWER TO, JOHN. UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE BACK PAGE OF THIS CONTRACT AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE HARDWARE, UM, IS REPLACING SOME PREVIOUSLY, I KNOW THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST. IS THERE A REFUNDER OR SOMETHING INVOLVED THERE? THERE IS NO REFUND. THE, THE, BASICALLY THE WRONG HARDWARE WAS ISSUED AND WE'RE SWITCHING IT OUT SO THAT THE CORRECT HARDWARE WILL BE ISSUED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT IS. OKAY, THEN. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION, SO I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. READY FOR A VOTE? OKAY. WE HAVE A, REMIND ME WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO MADE THE SECOND. I MADE THE MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER M**K MADE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER GUANA MADE THE SECOND. YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO THE COMMISSIONER'S [25. EXECUTIVE SESSION] COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED IN THIS AGENDA. ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1, OPEN MEETING SUB CHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE ARE TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY AND WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE DISCUSSION ON LEGAL MATTERS RELATED TO PENDING OR RECENT PERSONNEL CHANGES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. AND UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR POSITION IN ALL RELATED ISSUES ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL, UPDATE REGARDING REAL ESTATE ELECTION LAWSUITS, TAX AUDITS IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. AND AT 1217, WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THESE. ALL RIGHT. AT 3 0 5 WE'RE GONNA [26. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION] RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TELL YOU NO ACTION TAKEN. [17. Discuss/Act on directing General Counsel to formally inform Halff Associates of a 90-day suspension in engineering work under contract dated September 14, 2021, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSS AND ACT ON DIRECTING GENERAL COUNSEL TO FORMALLY INFORM HALF ASSOCIATES OF A 90 DAY SUSPENSION IN ENGINEERING WORK UNDER CONTRACT DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2021 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY? YES, JUDGE, I AM, UM, BASICALLY ASKING FOR A, UH, HALT. UH, IT'S A TEMPORARY HALT TO A CONTRACT, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY ONGOING WITH THE STUDYING OF THE ROUTES OF THE OUTER LOOP. UM, AND WE'RE JUST ASKING GENERAL COUNSEL PER CONTRACT TO SEND A LETTER. IT DOESN'T TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T INVALIDATE THE CONTRACT. IT DOESN'T STOP FOR ANY PAYMENT THAT IS OWED. IT JUST SAYS, PLEASE STOP ALL WORK FOR, FOR 90 DAYS. ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I, THE AUDITOR, YOUR REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT, THIS IS NOT GONNA RESULT IN A NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO OUR COUNTY, CORRECT? I I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL. UH, I HAVE ONLY READ THE ONE PARAGRAPH THAT SAID ABOUT, UH, WELL, I, I SUSPENDING, I'M, I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER AND WE DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT IT'S, WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE SUFFERING ANY ADVERSE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES BY DOING THIS. UH, YEAH, UH, I I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOU ON THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT GENERAL COUNSEL TO FORMALLY INFORM HALF AND ASSOCIATES OF A 90 DAY SUSPENSION AND ENGINEERING WORK UNDER CONTRACT DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2021. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I WILL OFFER THE SECOND. SO GOT MY SECOND. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. ALL [18. Discuss/Act on authorizing General Counsel and County staff to complete and publish all necessary postings to set public hearings regarding amendment of the Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan to remove Rabbit Ridge and the Outer Loop, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] [03:05:01] RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 18. DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZING GENERAL COUNSEL AND COUNTY STAFF TO COMPLETE AND PUBLISH NECESSARY POSTINGS TO SET PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING AMENDMENT OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY MASTER THOROUGHFARE. PLAN TO REMOVE RABBIT RIDGE IN THE OUTER LOOP IN ALL RELATED ISSUES WITH NO OBJECTION FROM THE COURT. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE AGENDA. ALRIGHT, ANY OBJECTIONS? NO OBJECTIONS NOTED. NUMBER 18 IS REMOVED. TAKES [19. Discuss/Act on Resolution formally opposing proposed Outer Loop corridor location and requesting that a new corridor be developed, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] US TO AGENDA ITEM 19, DISCUSS AN ACT ON RESOLUTION FORMALLY OPPOSING PROPOSED OUTER LOOP CORRIDOR LOCATION AND REQUESTING THAT A NEW CORRIDOR BE DEVELOPED IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. SO WITH THIS ITEM, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD, UM, THAT HAS, UH, COME, COME TO LIGHT. UM, THIS IS AN EMAIL AND I'M GOING TO SLOWLY READ IT INTO THE RECORD. UM, JENNIFER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY, JUST ASK ME AFTERWARDS AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. UM, THIS IS FROM THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE NORTH TEXAS, UH, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNSEL OF GOVERNMENTS. IT SAYS OUR OFFICE WAS MADE AWARE EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON OF ITEM 17, 18 AND 19 REGARDING THE OUTER LOOP ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING FOR 9:00 AM ON JANUARY 14TH, 2025. SINCE THE OUTER LOOP IS THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL'S CURRENT LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS MOBILITY 2045, THESE ITEMS MAY IMPACT THE COUNTY STANDING WITH THE RTC, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND OTHER COUNTIES WORKING TO ADVANCE THE OUTER LOOP AND EXISTING FUNDING PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN OUR TWO AGENCIES. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT ACTION ON THESE ITEMS BE DEFERRED UNTIL FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN STAFF FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY, OTHER COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS, OTHER GOVERNMENTS, OH, OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, TXDOT AND THE RTC CAN BE HELD. THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, OUR OFFICE BELIEVES THESE ISSUES CAN BE RESOLVED IN A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE MANNER, BENEFICIAL TO ALL PARTIES, KEN KIRKPATRICK. AND JUDGE, INSTEAD OF PROPOSING THIS RESOLUTION TO BE PASSED BY THE COURT, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE HIM UP ON HIS OFFER IN THE EMAIL TO FURTHER NEGOTIATE WHERE THEY'RE AT, AT COG. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING POLLING ITEM 19? I AM. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO PULLING ITEM 19? NO OBJECTION. NOPE. NO OBJECTION. NOTED. NUMBER 19 WILL BE PULLED. WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH 20. THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA [21. CONSENT AGENDA] ITEM NUMBER 21, CONSENT AGENDA. UH, I, I, I HATE TO DO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A CONSENT AGENDA, BUT WHY NOT? ? TODAY IS THE DAY WE'VE BEEN HERE SIX HOURS ALREADY. UM, I, SINCE BOBBY AND I WEREN'T ON THE COURT, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES? IT SEEMS I THOUGHT THE SAME THING IN MY FIRST MEETING. IT'S VERY ODD. LET, LET, LET ME ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THIS PRIOR TO GENERAL COUNSEL AND SEE IF I GET IT RIGHT. IT, IT IS CORRECT 'CAUSE YOU'RE VOTING, YOU, YOU CAN OR YOU CAN RECUSE YOURSELF. EITHER ONE. YOU'RE VOTING TO, UH, IT BEING A, AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN'T THERE. OKAY. THEN I'M GONNA ASK 21 A. WHAT WAS THAT? CORRECT? UM, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A VOTE ON WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE, NOT THAT YOU WERE THERE. YEP. THEN I'M GONNA ASK THE 21 A BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT 21. OH, UM, I, I NOTICED ON HERE WE GOT THIS AND IT SHOWED THERE WAS LIKE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT A HOTEL COST, AND I'M SURE THIS IS ALL BUDGETED, BUT I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF THIS IS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IT WAS LIKE ON A PER DOLLAR COST. IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, A HOTEL'S SO MUCH FOR TWO NINE AND I, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS. I'M SURE IT'S ALL BUDGETED, BUT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE GET THINGS LIKE THIS, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS, IF THEY'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE COSTS, THEN WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE. NOPE. I, I, I AGREE. AND, AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE GET THE PACKET TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SAY, SEND, SEND ME THE COST. UH, AND, AND IT'S NOT, NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST TO SAY SEND, SEND ME THE BREAKDOWN. UM, AND THAT'S ONE THING I'VE STARTED BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A STICKLER ON GETTING, UH, THE AGENDA IN AND GETTING THE BACKUP STUFF JUST SO WE COULD HAVE TIME TO ABSORB IT. THIS ONE I WILL ADMIT, GOT AWAY FROM ME, UH, A LITTLE BIT DUE TO THE WEATHER AND US HAVING TO POST AND ALL PEOPLE AREN'T HERE TO GET US OUR BACKUP. AND, UH, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL, BUT RIGHT. OKAY. NORMALLY YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO [03:10:01] SAY, WELL, I SHOULD'VE CALLED THE SHERIFF. I DID CALL SOMEONE, BUT THAT PERSON I CALLED WASN'T SURE. SO I, I SHOULD HAVE GONE TO TERRY OR SOMETHING, BUT OKAY, NOT A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO, OKAY, WITH, WITH THAT JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA 21 B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-L-M-N-O-P. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. AND THAT IS APPROVED FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE STILL HAVE CONSENT AGENDA A TO DEAL WITH THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING. SO, UH, IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION, SOMEBODY PREFERABLY THAT WAS THERE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM A MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THOSE THAT ARE VOTING WILL REGISTER THEIR BOATS. WE HAVE FOUR YESES AND ONE ABSTENTION. ALL RIGHT, SO THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 22, [22. APPROVAL OF PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS] APPROVAL OF PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS DISPOSITIONS, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY TRANSFERRED A SURPLUS 2009 CHEVY IMPALA. JUDGE, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UM, THE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS 22. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I SECOND IT. GOT I SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? IT IS APPROVED FIVE TO ZERO. IT BRINGS US [23. APPROVAL OF NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)] TO AGENDA ITEM 23, APPROVAL OF NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS 2025 DASH ZERO THREE, TRANSFER 780. DO $85 WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO THE BOND OFFICE. CAPITAL OUTLAY FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT RESULTING FROM THE PURCHASE OF A D TOP SWITCH APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON DECEMBER 10TH, 2024. I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE NON-BUDGET TRANSFER. 2025 DASH THREE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. IT PASSES FIVE TO [24. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)] ZERO. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 24, THE APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLLS. MS. LISA, IT'S GOT ME UP THERE AS VOTING. I'M SORRY, I PUSHED SOMETHING WRONG. UH, OKAY, I SUBMIT TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $612,752 AND 51 CENTS AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO THE COURT THE UNPAID CLAIMS. AND JUST TO FOR FULL, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UH, WE HAVE PULLED TWO BILLS, UH, PER THE COUNTY CLERK ON THE, UH, BLOOM INVOICES, WHICH ARE LATER ON, ON PAGE 26 OF THE UNPAID CLAIMS. SO THE NEW TOTAL UNPAID CLAIMS THAT I'M SUBMITTING TO YOU TO TODAY IS $2,299,406 AND 87 CENTS. AND I ASKED FOR COURT'S APPROVAL. I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER TO APPROVE A PAID CLAIMS REMOVING THINGS, UNPAID CLAIMS, NO, I, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE AUDITOR. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER. YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. LASTLY, I SUBMIT TO THE COURT THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING DECEMBER 21ST, 2024 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,095,186 AND 14 CENTS. AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED, GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANA. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [27. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS] ITEM NUMBER 27, COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS. LET'S START DOWN HERE WITH COMMISSIONER STACY. I, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REPORT. I'M GLAD THAT THE WEATHER WENT AWAY AS FAST AS IT SHOWED UP. UM, AND I GUESS FROM EARLY REPORTS WE MIGHT BE GETTING ANOTHER WINTER STORM, SO, UM, LET'S, LET'S ENJOY THAT. SO I HAVE NOTHING ELSE SIR. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SAY A BIG THANK YOU AND APPRECIATION TO THE FOLKS IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND ALL THE EXTRA WORK THEY DID DURING OUR STORM AND TO OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR KEEPING US SAFE AND GO IRISH. UH, HE DID [03:15:01] IT. HE DID IT. COMMISSIONER M**K. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK A GROUP OF THE, THE, THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE, WHO ARE HELPING WITH THE EDITING OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GOT A LOT OF, A LOT OF PAGES, A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE PROOFING AND LOOKING AT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I RECOGNIZE THEM. WELL DONE. COMMISSIONER GUANA. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO JUST ECHO THANKING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR A VERY, UH, SMOOTH, UH, STORM. UM, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER EXERCISE COMING UP HERE PRETTY SOON, AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE WHO STUCK IT OUT HERE FOR A VERY LONG DAY. YES, THA THANK YOU. APOLOGIZE FOR THE DURATION. UH, I DO WANNA PLANT, UH, A SEED AND ALL THE COMMISSIONER'S MINDS. UH, ON THE 11TH, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE AT ROCKWALL COUNTY DAYS IN AUSTIN, AND THAT IS OUR FIRST COURT DATE IN FEBRUARY. SO WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT, UH, ARE WE MOVING IT UP? ARE WE MOVING IT BACK? WHERE, WHERE ARE WE MOVING IT, MOVING IT TO THURSDAY? IT, IT, IT BECOMES WEIRD, UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START MOVING IT AROUND WITH FEBRUARY BEING A SHORT MONTH, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE JUST HAVING A, A, A LOT OF MEETINGS IN A ROW. BUT, UM, I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF PAYING BILLS AND EVERYTHING, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO JUST MOVE IT BACK TO THURSDAY AND THEN JUST DO THAT AND THURSDAY THE 13TH, AND THEN KIND OF HAVE ONE REAL MEETING IN FEBRUARY. I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR, LOOKING AT HOW TO MOVE IT AROUND AND IT, IF YOU MOVE IT UP, BECAUSE THE MEETING IN JANUARY IS SO LATE, IT, IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU GO LIKE FOUR DAYS OF BUSINESS AND THEN YOU'RE IN A MEETING AGAIN. UM, BUT, AND THEN IF YOU MOVE IT BACK, YOU'RE BACK TO BACK WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT IF IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY LOOK AT JUST MOVING IT BACK AND THEN JUST SAYING, HEY, LET'S, LET'S PAY SOME BILLS AND DO NECESSARY THINGS. BUT LET'S REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE COURT IN FEBRUARY JUST DUE TO THE TRAVEL. OKAY. IT'S MY OPINION, LISA'S NODDING APPROPRIATELY. JUST LOOK AT AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A FORMAL ACTION AT THE NEXT COURT, BUT I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND THANK YOU. I'M GLAD TO HAVE OUR TWO NEWEST MEMBERS HERE. GLAD TO HAVE, UH, GLAD TO HAVE A COURT AND AT THREE 20 WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.