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I'M GONNA GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NO ONE.
[2. Discussion of Apportionment Fee for Phase 1A and IB of River Rock Trails, and all related issues; (Judge New) ]
MOVE ON TO AGENDA.AGENDA ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION OF APPORTIONMENT FEE FOR PHASE ONE A AND ONE B OF RIVER ROCK TRAILS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE, MR. BOOTH.
DO, DO YOU WANNA COME SPEAK OR MR. MILES OR, OR ANY, ANY REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, CARISSA'S BRINGING US OUR COPIES.
OBVIOUSLY THE COURT WAS SENT THE APPORTIONMENT CALCULATIONS, BUT SHE'S BRINGING HARD COPIES FOR EVERYONE, SO, OKAY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR THAT? NO, GO, GO AHEAD.
UM, I WORK WITH DR. HORTON HOMES ON OUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER AS WELL HERE.
UM, WE RECEIVED YOUR LETTER, UH, DECEMBER, DATED DECEMBER 13TH, UM, REGARDING THE APPORTIONMENT COST OF RIVER ROCK TRAILS, PHASE ONE A ONE B, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT, QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A SIT DOWN MEETING AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT.
BUT MAYBE 'CAUSE HE, EVERYBODY'S TOGETHER, YOU GOTTA HAVE A, WE GOTTA IN IN THIS TYPE OF SESSION.
THIS, THIS IS US SITTING TOGETHER SURE.
UM, I DO WANNA READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OR SO HERE, UM, OF SECTION 2 32 0.110, WHICH IS THE APPORTIONMENT OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE COST STRAIGHT OUT OF THE TEXAS LAW.
AND, UH, BASICALLY IT SAYS, IF UNDER ANY AUTHORITY EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY THIS CHAPTER, A COUNTY REQUIRES INCLUDING UNDER AN AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 2 42 AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF A PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT THE DEVELOPER BEAR A PORTION OF THE COST OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BY MAKING, BY THE MAKING OF DEDICATIONS THE PAYMENT OF FEES OR THE PAYMENT OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THE DEVELOPER'S PORTION OF THE COST MAY NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT REQUIRED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS APPROVED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO HOLDS A LICENSE ISSUED UNDER CHAPTER 1 0 0 1 OCCUPATIONS CODE AND IS RETAINED BY THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY'S DETERMINATION SHALL BE COMPLETED WITHIN 30 DAYS FOLLOWING THE SUBMISSION OF THE DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION FOR DETERMINATION UNDER THE SUBSECTION.
SO THAT'S PARAGRAPH A UNDER THAT SECTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO WE RECEIVED THE LETTER ON DECEMBER 13TH.
I THINK IT'S IN RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST.
I BELIEVE IT WAS WITHIN THE 30 DAY TIME PERIOD.
UM, THE COUNTY PREVIOUSLY HAS DEFINED WHAT COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IS, AND YOU HAVE A LIST OF 16 ITEMS HERE.
UH, IN THE LETTER THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A LIST OF THOSE ITEMS AND YOU, UH, WE GOT BACK SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THREE OF THE 16 ITEMS. SO THE THREE ITEMS WERE SCHOOLS, POLICE AND ROADWAYS, SCHOOLS, POLICE AND ROADS.
SO THE ONE ITEM THAT ACTUALLY HAS AN APPROVAL OF A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IS THE ROADS.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE FIRST.
THE OTHER TWO ITEMS HAVE NO LICENSED ENGINEER WHO HAS APPROVED THIS.
SO WE'VE REVIEWED THE ROADWAY ANALYSIS PERFORMED BY FRIES NICHOLS.
UM, YOUR PLANNER, CONNOR ROBERTS, WROTE A LETTER THAT REFERRED TO ANOTHER LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN AND STAMPED BY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
WE HAD OUR ENGINEERS REVIEW THIS LETTER AS WELL.
AND WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO YOUR ENGINEER'S LETTER.
SO WE, IN LOOKING AND REVIEWING THIS TO, TO CUT TO THE CHASE, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
AND IF WE UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, I'M GONNA REPEAT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING OR WHAT THE CONCLUSION WAS.
UM, IS FELICIA GETTING HIS COPIES OF THIS? YES, SHE, CAN WE JUST PAUSE THIS? YEAH, I, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU, YOU ASKED BE FAIR.
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FRANK.LET ME, I'LL TAKE A BREAK AND I'LL COME BACK UP.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PAUSE RIGHT NOW.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE 'EM BY NOW, BUT, UH, YEAH, SHOULD, SHOULD BE ON THE WAY.
UM, I CAN KIND OF BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WANT ME TO, UM, GO BACK TO.
I'M NOT GONNA REREAD THE, THE FRONT.
UM, MAYBE YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT THIS FOR A MINUTE, UH, TO GET FAMILIAR WITH IT IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, WHAT I READ AT THE VERY BEGINNING WAS ON THE FIRST PAGE, SECTION 2 32 0.1, ONE ZERO, UH, PARAGRAPH A.
AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE, UH, IS THE LIST OF THE 16 ITEMS. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, NOTE IT NEXT TO EACH ITEM, UH, IS, UM, HOW, UH, I GUESS THE CURRENT STATUS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE, THE SCHOOLS, UH, WHICH, UH, YOU STATE APPORTIONMENT DETERMINED BY ROCKWALL COUNTY ROADS, APPORTIONMENT DETERMINED BY FREEZING NICHOLS ENGINEERS.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME PROOF OF SERVICES.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS POLICE APPORTIONMENT DETERMINED BY COUNTY.
AND THEN SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE EITHER RESOLVED THROUGH THE PROJECT DESIGN, WHICH MEANS WE'RE PROVIDING WATER THAT'S PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS, UM, OR PROOF OF SERVICE IF IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE DESIGNING, BUT WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH A BROADBAND COMPANY OR WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH THE ELECTRIC COMPANY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO THAT KIND OF, KIND OF GOES THROUGH IT.
AND THEN UNDER THAT, UM, KIND OF GETS INTO AFTER MR. MERRITT'S SIGNATURE GETS INTO THE SCHOOLS.
AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EASY ONE, WHICH IS THE ROADWAYS.
AND THE ROADWAYS IS, IS TOWARDS THE BACK STARTS WITH THE FREEZING NICHOLS LETTERHEAD.
UM, BOTTOM SAYS PAGE ONE OF THREE.
UH, THIS IS A DECEMBER 13TH LETTER TO, UH, JUDGE NEW FROM, UM, YOUR PLANNER, CONNOR ROBERTS.
UH, AND IT KIND OF SUMMARIZES A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS ON THE FIRST PAGE AND THEN KIND OF CUTS TO THE CHASE ON THE SECOND PAGE OR PAGE THREE OF, I'M SORRY, THIRD PAGE, PAGE THREE OF THREE, UH, OF HIS LETTER.
AND THEN HE ATTACHES HIS ATTACHED FOR REFERENCE, HIS ENGINEER'S STAMPED LETTER, UH, WHICH IS, UM, FROM, UM, MR. FALDO.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S A THREE OR FOUR PAGE LETTER.
SO GETTING TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE ROADWAY APPORTIONMENT, WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED, OR WHAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED IS THAT WE HAVE 2,411 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE OF OUR PLATS ALONG FM 5 48.
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AND THAT THEY'VE DETERMINED WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TWO LANES OF THAT ROAD.HOWEVER, SINCE THAT ROAD IS A STATE ROAD AND NOT A COUNTY ROAD, TYPICALLY THE COUNTY PUTS IN 20% COST.
SO HE RAN THE COST OUT ON THAT AND THEN CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, IF THE COUNTY PUT IN THE COST, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? 20%.
AND THEN KIND OF BOTTOM LINE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO, OR WHAT WE OWE IS $338,000, $338,867.
AND WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT AT THIS POINT.
UM, BASED ON THOSE CALCULATIONS AND BASED ON OUR ENGINEER'S REVIEW OF THIS.
SO WHAT WE ARE NOT CLEAR ON AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IS THIS GONNA BE A CONSISTENT WAY OF DETERMINING ROADWAY APPORTIONMENT OR IS THERE GONNA BE SOME OTHER DIFFERENT WAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THAT? I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT TODAY.
I JUST WANT TO LET THAT INTO RECORD HERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FURTHER, UM, BEFORE WE FINAL ACCEPT THIS, IF IT'S GONNA BE A SIMILAR TYPE OF CALCULATION AS THIS ALONG WITH LINEAR FOOTAGE OF ROAD AND SO FORTH, I THINK THAT'S DOABLE AND FINE WITH US IF IT, IF THE GAME IS GONNA CHANGE AND THERE'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT WAY OF CALCULATING THAT FOR FUTURE PHASES, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN ENGINEER THAT'S FIGURING AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CALCULATE APPORTIONMENT TO BE HONEST.
I I WANNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YEAH, I THINK YOUR ENGINEER OUGHT TO SPEAK AND, AND WHEN, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE THE FACT, AND I'M NOT SURE, YOU TOLD ME CONNOR COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY, AND THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT CONNOR COULD EVEN SPEAK ON THAT.
I THINK HE HAS TO GO BACK AND ASK HIS ENGINEERS.
YEAH, CONNOR, SINCE CONNOR IS NOT AN ENGINEER, THANK YOU.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THERE PROBABLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING TIED INTO THE ECONOMY AND WHAT THE COST OF THE, THE COST OF THIS IS ALSO THAT WE COULD PROBABLY COME IN AND SAY WE COULD COMMIT TO SOMETHING FOR X NUMBER OF A TIME PERIOD, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO THEN REEVALUATE IT BASED ON YEAH, I I I THINK HIS COMMENTS WERE MORE TO THE CALCULUS.
HOW, HOW ARE YOU ACTUALLY GONNA CALCULATE IT? AND, AND, AND YEAH.
THAT, THAT CAN CH OBVIOUSLY THE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
THERE COULD BE A HUGE DROP IN THE COST OF ROADS AND YEAH.
AND AS WE AP APPORTION IT OUT, UM, IT'S THE METHODOLOGY CORRECT? IS WHAT WE'RE AFTER IS UNDERSTANDING THE METHODOLOGY AND IF THAT METHODOLOGY IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I CAN GET THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, I BELIEVE.
WHEN YOU DO, I'D LOVE TO BE IN ON THAT CONVERSATION.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL ISSUES WITH OPEN MEETINGS ACT, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE TWO OF Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND THIS, THIS ONLY DEALS WITH PHASES ONE AND ONE A AND ONE B, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO PHASE ONE A AND ONE B ARE THE TWO PRELIMINARY PLATS THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED, RIGHT.
AND, UH, HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS AND ARE WORKING THROUGH.
SO THERE'LL BE, AND THIS IS WHAT I'D, THIS IS WHY I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE ENGINEER MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER APPORTIONMENTS AS YOU ADD, BECAUSE ONE A AND ONE B IS JUST A SMALL PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT LIKE 25 DIFFERENT PHASES OR SOMETHING, CORRECT? YES.
SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FITS IN, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THE IMPACT UPON ROADS AND THE ASSESSMENT THAT GOES WITH IT WOULD VARY AS YOU ADD HOUSES, I WOULD THINK.
DEPENDS ON HOW YOU CALCULATE IT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE METHODOLOGY.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS POLICING, UH, THAT THE COUNTY, UH, PROVIDED, UM, THAT CALCULATION, UM, STARTS ON THE SHEET.
I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY THE THIRD SHEET IN IT SAYS, UH, ROCKWELL COUNTY ATTACHMENT NUMBER ONE AT THE TOP.
AND THERE'S THREE PAGES, MAYBE FOUR, FOUR PAGES.
AND IT GOES THROUGH A CALCULATION THAT INCLUDES, I'LL PUT INTO TWO BUCKETS,
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CAPITAL COST OF ADDING SHERIFFS AND SHERIFF DEPUTIES.UM, AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY EQUIPMENT, CARS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THEN ONGOING SALARIES OF PERSONNEL.
AND OUR RESPONSE TO THAT AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DISCUSS THE CAPITAL COSTS AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE CAPITAL COSTS.
SO EQUIPMENT, CARS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A IMPACT THAT IS HARD TO BUDGET FOR.
AND IT'S A DIRECT IMPACT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONGOING SALARIES, WE LOOK AT THAT NO DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY THAT'S, THAT'S BEING SERVED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT THEY'RE PAYING TAXES, THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT PORTION, A PORTION OF THOSE TAXES GO TO PAY THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY SALARIES.
LIKEWISE, WE WILL BE DEVELOPING HOMES LOTS AND HOME, UH, OWNERS WILL BE PAYING YEARLY ANNUAL TAXES TO SUPPORT THEIR SHERIFF DEPUTIES OR DEPUTIES NEEDED.
SO WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH MAYBE DISCUSSING THE UPFRONT COST OF ADDING A DEPUTY, UH, AS NEEDED TO HELP COVER OUR DEVELOPMENT.
WE DO DISAGREE AT THIS POINT ABOUT HAVING ONGOING COSTS THAT SHOULD BE PAID OUT OF PROPERTY TAXES TO COVER THE SHERIFF'S SALARIES.
AND, AND, UM, I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON, HAVE YOU SEPARATED THOSE TWO NUMBERS OUT? YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, I JUST WANT KIND OF YOUR, I I WANNA HEAR KIND OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE SPLIT THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS OUT IN, IN YOUR MIND.
YEAH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, SPLIT OUT IN HERE.
UM, LET'S LOOK AT, LET ME FIND THE RIGHT PAGE HERE.
IF, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE THAT SAYS ATTACHMENT ONE TO THE TOP, UM, THERE IS ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN IT SAYS PROJECT COST OF A NEW DEPUTY AND RELATED COST.
AND IT HAS TWO COLUMNS FOR FIRST YEAR AND SECOND YEAR.
SO IF YOU START GOING DOWN LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, AND THE VERY FIRST BULLET POINT, UH, FOR THOSE TWO COLUMNS IS SALARY, OVERTIME, AND DIRECT PERSONNEL, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, EMERGENCY VEHICLE INSURANCE.
SO THESE ARE ONGOING COSTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THROUGH THE YEARS.
VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IS ON THE NEXT PAGE.
WEAPONS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT $6,000 FOR WEAPONS, THAT'S A ONE-TIME COST.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN THE SECOND COLUMN RIGHT NOW, I GUESS AT SOME POINT THEY NEED TO UPGRADE TO WEAPONS.
BUT LET'S JUST FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST YEAR, SECOND YEAR IS A GOOD COMPARISON.
THE PORTABLE RADIO, $5,000, THAT'S AN UPFRONT COST.
THERE'S ZERO COST TO THAT FOR THE SECOND YEAR.
THE MOBILE RADIO, THE SAME THING.
6501ST YEAR, NO COST FOR THE SECOND YEAR.
UM, WATCHGUARD AND CAR AND BODY CAMERA.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS THE CAMERA SYSTEM, $7,500 ONETIME COST.
UM, AND THEN IT GOES TO IN-SERVICE TRAINING, THAT'S EVERY YEAR, $400.
UH, THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A CAR COMPUTER, A ONETIME COST FOR 31 90, UM, AIR CARD.
I'M NOT EXACTLY, I GUESS THAT'S BASICALLY CELL PHONE.
THAT'S A COST THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S NET MOTION LICENSE.
AND THEN THE BIGGEST COST IS VEHICLE RELATED EQUIPMENT, $90,000.
SO IF YOU ADD UP THOSE ONE TIME COST, UM, I DID THAT ONE TIME AND I DON'T HAVE MY PIECE OF PAPER THAT DID IT.
I BELIEVE IT ADDS UP TO ABOUT $114,000.
I GET 118, BUT WE DON'T ONE 18 RIGHT IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND SO WE'RE, WE ARE WILLING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT TO PAY THAT UPFRONT COST ON A NE AS NEEDED BASIS TO, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO HELP US, UH, GUIDE US AS FAR AS HOW MANY DEPUTIES ARE NEEDED PER PERSON AND ALL THOSE STANDARDS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TO BEGIN WITH IN, IN THIS.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T TAKE ANY EXCEPTION
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TO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN HERE.IT'S WHERE IS THAT PAID FROM, WHETHER THAT'S A DEVELOPER COST OR A TAXPAYER COST.
UH, I THINK I AGREE WITH THE PRINCIPLE THAT, THAT THE, THE ONGOING SALARY IS PAID FOR BY PROPERTY TAX OF, OF, OF THE CITIZENS THAT, UH, THAT YOU SHOULD, I THINK, REASONABLY ONLY EXPECT TO PAY FOR THE HARD COST THAT WERE IT NOT FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, THE TAXPAYERS WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE THAT COST.
SO I I, I THINK IN PRINCIPLE, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH METHODOLOGY, UM, UH, BEFORE I A BEFORE I AGREED OR DISAGREED WITH THE JUDGE, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ARE PUT IN PLACE AND WHEN THEY'RE ADDED, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A 25 PHASE PROJECT, RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEFORE I'D BE ABLE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH HIS COMMENT.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE LAYERED IN, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST MAKING SOMETHING UP HERE, JEFF.
UM, IF WE SAID, WELL, WE GOTTA ADD A SHERIFF THE FIRST, WHEN WE, WHEN WE BUILD HOUSE NUMBER ONE, LET'S JUST MAKE THIS UP.
WELL, THEN HOUSE NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ISN'T GONNA COME CLOSE TO PAYING THE SHERIFF'S THAT GUY'S COST IN YEAR TWO.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THESE ARE LAYERED IN BEFORE I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU.
'CAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT LAYERING COST THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO FOR THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
BUT, BUT WE, THIS, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORK SESSION, IS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.
AND WE'D NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR, UM, SHERIFF ALSO AND OTHER PEOPLE.
SO WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, I GUESS, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING AFTER YOUR CONVERSATIONS? OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC MEETING WITH AZURE? YEAH, NOW LET, LET, LET US GET SOME, OKAY.
I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU JUST IN KIND OF CONJUNCTION WITH HIM ON, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST, SO IT WOULD BE THE SECOND PAGE.
IT'S THE, BASICALLY THE PAGE YOU STARTED ON WHERE IT SAYS PROJECT COST RENEW RELATED COSTS ABOVE THAT, UM, IS A CHART.
UM, ARE YOU, I JUST WANT YOU TO COME AND ASK YOU A QUESTION
UM, SO IT SAYS PROJECT DEVELOPMENT GROWTH, IT'S ABOVE WHERE WE STARTED BREAKING DOWN THE COSTS.
IS THAT ACCURATE? LIKE WHO, I THINK THAT GOES TO WHAT, WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER LTE WAS TRYING TO BRING ABOUT? I I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE, THIS IS MY POINT.
DID WE WRITE THIS? YEAH, YOU, I THINK YOU DID.
I YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WRITTEN BY A LICENSED ENGINEER OR AT LEAST PROVED BY IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
BUT MY POINT IS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS PROJECTION TO GET TO THE 6,000? OR IS IT NOT EVEN ANYWHERE CLOSE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? WELL, I THINK THE TIMELINE'S OFF I, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, JANUARY 25, WE'RE IN JANUARY 25, WE DON'T HAVE 300 RESIDENTS OFFICE.
I, AND I THINK, AND THE REASON THE TIME TIMELINE'S OFF IS I, WE MET WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO OKAY.
TO START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE AT.
SO WE TOOK A PROACTIVE APPROACH ACTUALLY, AND MET WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND, AND THEY, AT THE TIME WE REQUESTED THEM TO GIVE US SOME NUMBERS.
SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE? I THINK MY, MY FIRST REQUEST IS, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ESTIMATE OF THAT LY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL SOMEWHAT INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION WITH FACTS AND CHARTS SURE.
ON OUR END, ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PROGRESSION.
SO, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WAS MORE TO, MORE TO MY POINT IS I, IF, IF THAT'S NOT ACCURATE YEAH.
UM, THEN EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECOMES INACCURATE.
AND, AND I KNOW IT'S A PROJECTION, BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN GET TO A METHODOLOGY ON THIS ASPECT OF IT THAT, THAT COULD HONOR A PROJECTION.
AND IF I COULD, LET ME GO AHEAD.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A CALCULATION IN HERE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES NECESSARY PER THOUSAND POPULATION.
SO I THINK THE FORMULA IS IN HERE.
UM, YEAH, THAT PROJECTION, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO UPDATE PROBABLY JANUARY 25 NEEDS TO BE JANUARY 26TH.
AND WE'RE, AND, AND IT MIGHT WORK.
THE, THE, THE POINT IS, I, I THINK, AND I DON'T, DO NOT WANNA PUT WORDS IN COMMISSIONER TY'S.
I, I, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMENTARY IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UPFRONT COST, YEAH.
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DEPUTY FOR A YEAR OR TWO BECAUSE OF HOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMING AND WHEN DO WE NEED TO HIRE THEM, AND HOW DOES THE PROJECTION WORK? I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE SAYING, HEY, I, I UNDERSTAND UPFRONT COST, BUT WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S COSTING THE COUNTY, I I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, AT LEAST, AND I, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE.I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCEPT OF AFTER THE UPFRONT COST, IT SHOULD BE ON THE M AND O OF THOSE HOUSES TO MAINTAIN THE DEPUTIES.
WELL, OUR ARGUMENT WOULD BE, WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? SO WHEN DOES DEPUTY ONE START GETTING PAID FOR UNDER THE PROJECTIONS? AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL WAY TO DO THAT.
NEGOTIATE THE EXACT METHODOLOGY.
BUT, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THE CONCEPT WOULD BE OKAY, IF YOU'RE PROJECTING, YOU KNOW, 600 HOUSES IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS, THEN THIS WOULD BE AN, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, AND I, AND I HEAR YOU, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IN HERE.
'CAUSE IT SAYS ON THE FRONT END, WE RECOMMEND A MINIMUM OF TWO DEPUTIES TO PROVIDE COVERAGE AT BOTH ENDS OF THE WEEK.
INITIALLY, THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO DETER CONSTRUCTION THEFT, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH.
WE ANTICIPATE DEPUTIES BEING ASSIGNED TO A DIRECT, TO A DISTRICT THAT ENCOMPASSES THE RIVER ROCK DEVELOPMENT.
DEPUTIES WILL NOT BE ASSIGNED SOLELY TO RIVER ROCK.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THAT THOUGHT PROCESS HAS BEEN DONE AND IT'S HERE.
AND THIS IS THE FORMULA WE JUST NEED, NEED TO UPDATE A TIMELINE.
I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO, COMMISSIONER STACY, I'M GONNA KIND OF REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID, BUT MAYBE SAY IT IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY, IS THAT IN MORE PRACTICAL WAY OF, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND START DEVELOPING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE HOUSE OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED ONE DEPUTY TO COVER THAT ONE HOUSE.
OR AT WHAT'S, AT SOME POINT WE'LL NEED A DEPUTY.
WHAT IS THE CRITICAL MASS OF HOUSES NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE TAX BEING PAID THAT WILL OFFSET THE COST OF THE DEPUTY SALARY? IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING TO.
IS, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S A STARTUP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
LIKE THAT, THAT EXACTLY THE, THE STARTUP COST OF ALL THIS AND, AND HOW, AND HOW DO WE PUT THAT INTO SOME SORT OF CONTRACT BASED UPON PROJECTIONS? AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA COMPLETELY DEFER TO PEOPLE MUCH SMARTER THAN I WITH CONTRACTS.
BUT, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF GOING INTO THE CONCEPT OF THE IMPACT.
MEANING WE GOTTA BUY A CAR BECAUSE OF A DEPUTY.
I, I MEAN, YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH WHETHER, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING WHETHER YOU WANNA PAY IT OR NOT, BUT WE COULD SAY THAT IS AN IMPACT.
WE HAD TO HIRE A DEPUTY AND WE HAD TO BUY HIM A CAR.
AND THEN YOU STARTED SAYING, BUT HIS SALARY IS ON THE M AND O.
AND I'M, AND I WOULD SAY, WELL, MAYBE AFTER YEAR TWO, MAYBE AFTER YEAR THREE.
SO I THINK, I THINK YOU AND I WE'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, I DON'T, UNTIL WE SEE THE NUMBERS AND UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS, JUST LIKE YOU, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, SO WE'LL GET YOU AN UPDATED, UH, SCHEDULE ON THAT.
IT'LL MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET APPROVAL, OR WE CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION.
HOPEFULLY THOSE ARE GOOD ASSUMPTIONS.
DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THIS? IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? OKAY.
READY TO MOVE ON WHENEVER YOU'RE MOVE ON.
YEAH, SO THE, THE THIRD ITEM THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN IN, IN SOME DETAIL IS THE, THE SCHOOL, UH, APPORTIONMENT.
UM, WELL, WE WILL JUST TELL YOU FROM A, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT FROM OUR, SO YEAH, NO, I'M ACTUALLY AN ENGINEER, SO I'M A LICENSED ENGINEER.
SO, BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, UH, IN DISCUSSING WITH OUR ATTORNEY IS, IS WE, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN EVEN BE A COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND, I, I DON'T WANNA REHASH EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH 'CAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH DEBATING IN THIS FORM RIGHT HERE.
SO, BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, PUTTING THIS INFORMATION IN THIS LETTER ASIDE.
UM, WE HAVE MET WITH, OR THE, THE PROJECT IS PREDOMINANTLY IN ROYCE CITY, ISD.
THERE'S A SMALL PORTION DOWN TO VERY SOUTH END OF IT, UH, THAT'S IN ROCKWALL.
ISDI HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO THERE.
IS THERE ANY WAY IN, IN, IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT HISTORY THAT, THAT COULD BE CLEANED UP? ONLY CLEANED UP AS PUTTING ALL INTO ROY, ROY CITY? I'M JUST ASKING THE ONLY WAY HIGH LEVEL QUESTION.
WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN ON JUST ZIGZAG BOUNDARIES AND, UH, SMALL AREA SWAPS BETWEEN ISDS.
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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BIG, PRETTY BIG AREA, AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY ACRES ARE DOWN THERE.WE HAVE AN 1800 ACRE, ALMOST 1900 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
WE A HUNDRED OR TWO, MAYBE ONE 50 OR EVEN UP TO 200 IS ROCK WALL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
GOES TO ALL THREE HIGH SCHOOLS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF PEOPLE ARE AWARE, SO I LIVE IN WOOD CREEK AND FATE, MY KIDS GO TO ROYCE CITY, JUST SOUTH OF ME, GOES TO HEATH AND TO THE SIDE GOES TO ROCKWALL.
SO I CAN, WHEN I'M GOING OUT AND CAMPAIGNING, I'M SEEING HEATH HAWKS, YELLOW JACKETS, BULLDOGS.
IT'S JUST, I, I MEAN, IT DOES DIVIDE THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR ROYCE CITY SECTION AND, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET IN THE DEBATE.
I WAS JUST ASKING, AND IF, IF THAT'S EVEN IS, CAN THAT EVEN HAPPEN? BECAUSE THESE LINES ARE PRETTY SOLID.
LIKE I SAID, THROUGH MY 35 YEAR CAREER, I'VE, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN ON MINOR ONE ACRE HERE, ONE ACRE THERE, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE BASED ON SWAPS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE SELLING BONDS BASED ON THE ACREAGE OR THEIR AREA, SO, SO THEY CAN'T LOSE, NONE OF THEM CAN LOSE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MOSTLY REALLY SITTING IN SOME ROCK.
AND, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITIQUE THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST WEIRD WHEN I THINK I'M THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT HAS PEOPLE IN ALL THREE HIGH SCHOOLS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY FRANK BEING THE JUDGE, TO BE FAIR, BUT IT'S JUST, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF ODD WHAT WE TRY TO DO WHEN WE PLOT YOU, YOU MIGHT, YEAH.
ANYWAYS, SO YEAH, YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
WHEN WE TRY, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PLA STREETS AND LOTS, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS NOT PUT AN ISD LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
'CAUSE IT GETS VERY CONFUSING AT THAT POINT.
SO WE TRY TO TRY TO MAKE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR WHERE THE LINE IS IN THAT PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER'S SCHOOL DISTRICT IS.
SO, UM, SO BACK TO, WE'VE TALKED, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO ROCKWALL, ISD 'CAUSE IT'S A SMALL PART, BUT ROYCE CITY IS THE ONE THAT WE'VE FOCUSED ON.
WE HAVE MET WITH ROYCE CITY, ISD SUPERINTENDENT.
UH, WE'VE GIVEN THEM OUR PLAN.
THIS WAS, UH, YEAR, 18 MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND WE'VE REQUESTED THEM TO LOOK AT OUR PLAN, COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHOOL NEEDS ARE.
WHAT WE DO IS DEVELOPERS, UH, TYPICALLY IS WE ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL SITES.
THAT'S A PRETTY TYPICAL THING THAT'S DONE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD.
UH, AND SO WE ACCOMMODATE, WE SET ASIDE, UH, SCHOOL SITES FOR THE BUILDING OF SCHOOLS.
WE LIKE SCHOOLS THAT HELPS OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE SCHOOLS.
UH, MAYBE NOT A HIGH SCHOOL, BUT TYPICALLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
UM, THE TYPICALLY THOSE SCHOOL SITES ARE SET ASIDE AND SOLD TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT AT A NOMINAL PRICE WHERE THERE'S NO MONEY MADE.
UH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE GIVEN TO THEM FREE OF CHARGE.
UH, WHAT ELSE COMES ALONG WITH THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SURROUNDS THOSE SCHOOL SITES, UH, WHERE THE SCHOOL CAN DEVELOP AND HAVE ACCESS TO ROADS.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE COST OTHER THAN ON SITE.
UM, SO AS EXAMPLE DEER HORTON'S PROJECT UP IN AUBREY, ISD CALLED SILVERADO, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST ONE OR TWO SCHOOL SITES THAT HAVE BEEN DEDICATED AT NO COST TO AUBREY, ISD.
THEY'VE, UH, WE'VE ALSO BUILT ROADS AROUND THOSE AREAS.
UH, IN RETURN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AGREES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A SCHOOL THERE WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME TRADING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE HAVEN'T RECENTLY GONE BACK TO THEM.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE WERE WAITING ON THEM.
HAVEN'T HEARD BACK, HASN'T HAVEN'T REALLY FOLLOWED UP REALLY HARD WITH THEM, TO BE QUITE HONEST, BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF STUCK AT THIS PRIMARY PLAT STAGE.
IT'S KIND OF, SO WE, WE NEED TO GET GOING ON THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE WE FURTHER OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE SCHOOL, UM, SITES IN A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE AND WORKED INTO OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I, I'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF YOUR PLATS AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FINAL OR WHERE, WHERE THERE'S NOT A FINAL, I KNOW, BUT YOUR, YOUR, I GUESS NOT PLATS, BUT YOUR PROJECT PLANS OR SOMETHING.
AND I, MY RECOLLECTION, IS THERE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITES SHOWN? YES.
WHICH NOT BEING IN THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, I'M SPEAKING A LITTLE MORE OUT OF, OUT OF MY KNOWLEDGE, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE
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ENOUGH.AND WHAT'S YOUR, 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 6,307 HOMES AND THE DISTRICT RECOMMEND OR ESTIMATES 0.5 STUDENTS PER HOME, THAT'S 3,153 STUDENTS.
WELL, IF YOU GOT A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHAT DO THEY HAVE? ABOUT SEVEN 50 TO 900 IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO SEVEN, LET'S SAY SEVEN 50, THEN THAT'S TWO.
YOU GOT TWO THAT'S 1500, WHICH MEANS THERE'S ANOTHER 1,653 STUDENTS THAT SOME WILL BE ELEMENTARY, SOME WILL BE MIDDLE, SOME WILL BE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO HOW DO YOU, I MEAN, IS, ARE YOU GUYS, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD, YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BUT HAVEN'T REACHED ANYTHING FINAL WITH ROYCE CITY ANY, WE WERE WAITING ON FEEDBACK ON HOW MANY SCHOOL SITES THEY NEED FINAL.
WE'RE ACTUALLY WAITING ON FEEDBACK THAT THERE WAS, THE QUESTION WE ASKED HIM IS WHAT EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC DECISION ON HOW MANY STUDENTS PER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR HOW MANY STUDENTS PER MIDDLE SCHOOL? I'VE WORKED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
AND NONE OF 'EM ALL, SOME OF 'EM ARE THE SAME, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE MUCH DIFFERENT AND DEPENDS ON HOW BIG SCHOOLS THEY BUILD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FACTORS.
SO WE'RE WAITING ON INPUT BACK FROM THEM AGAIN, TO BE QUITE HONEST, WE HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP LATELY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN STUCK AT THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO RESURRECT THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL ADJUST OUR PLAN.
WE'LL HAVE A DIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
THERE'S OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA AS WELL THAT ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP.
SO WE WANT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FAIRNESS IN THAT AS WELL.
AND, UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU IS EARLY, BUT LET, LET'S SAY TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IS ENOUGH JUST FOR TALKING HERE.
WELL, THAT MEANS THERE'S 1600 STUDENTS THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IF YOUR PLAN, IF, IF YOU'RE, WHAT YOU OFTEN DO, NOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN DO IS DONATE SCHOOL SITES OR PROVIDE FOR SCHOOL SITES WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I KNOW THEY TYPICALLY HAVE PLANS.
WELL, WHERE'S OUR NEXT MIDDLE SCHOOL GOING? WHERE'S OUR NEXT HIGH SCHOOL GOING? UM, HOW DO YOU, OR DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTION FOR HOW YOU WOULD PROVIDE AN ASSESSMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THOSE SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE, THE 1600 STUDENTS THAT'LL BE GOING TO EITHER MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL IN MY EXAMPLE, HOW DO YOU GUYS LOOK AT WHAT YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THOSE PROPORTIONAL ASSESSMENTS IS? WELL, AS OF NOW, STATE LAW SAYS THERE'S NOT AN IMPACT FEE.
AND SO THERE, WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
WHAT WE LOOK AT, WE'RE CREATING TAX BASE JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING, HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF.
OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TAXES ARE THE HIGHEST OF ALL THE TAX STACK.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OBVIOUSLY USE TO, AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE DOING IT HERE IN TEXAS TO BUILD THEIR SCHOOLS.
IF A DEVELOPER CAN ENTICE A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BUILD A SCHOOL ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO DONATIONS OF PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK ROCKWELL COUNTY FOR THE FIRST TIME STARTED CHARGING THESE ASSESSMENTS OR MADE LEGAL, UH, BASIS FOR CHARGING THEM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF LEARNING TOO, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU STARTED THIS WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT THERE.
BUT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE IS SOME IMPACT UPON THOSE OTHER SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT'S OUR JOB OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S JOB, OR WHOEVER'S JOB IT IS TO FIGURE OUT.
IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT YOU'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST PUTTING KIDS IN TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AND YOU, YOU'RE, I I KNOW EVERYBODY PAYS PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THERE'S, UNDER THIS EXAMPLE, THERE'S 1600 STUDENTS THAT WOULDN'T BE GOING TO SCHOOL RIGHT.
OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IF YOU WEREN'T BUILDING THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ASSESS THIS, AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, I'M SURE, AND YOU DO, I I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO COVER THOSE THINGS.
ALSO, WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
WE, WE DON'T AGREE THAT THE COUNTY HAS ANY RIGHT TO ASSESS FOR A SCHOOL DISTRICT, PERIOD.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T AGREE.
WE, WE, WE AGREE IF THE STATE LAW COMES AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET TOGETHER AND LOBBIED A LEGISLATURE AND THEY CREATE AN IMPACT FEE FOR THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN WE FOLLOW THE LAW.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS FOLLOWING THE LAW ALL THESE YEARS, EVERY DEVELOPER'S FOLLOWING THE LAW.
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I, I UNDERSTAND.AND, AND I, THAT'S WHY I SAID I UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
UM, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND WE HAVE, UM, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE COSTS OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IN MY MIND? AND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO A LEGAL DISCUSSION 'CAUSE I'M NOT ON THIS SUBJECT ACTING AS A LAWYER, BUT IT COULD, COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE COULD MEAN A NUMBER OF THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AT LEAST START THINKING ABOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WANTING TO PUT TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENTARY SITES ON YOUR PROPERTY.
A LOVE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, UM, AS YOU SAID YOU DO.
UH, BUT IT IS MORE OF AN IMPACT THAN THAT.
SO I WOULD THINK, LET'S START TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THOSE STUDENTS THAT DON'T GO TO THOSE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AND AT LEAST I WOULD ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT AS WE GO INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SPEAKING, JUST FOR ME, UM, COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IN MY MIND IS ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS IS THE BIGGEST, UH, THE BIGGEST APPORTIONMENT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, BUT WE ARE IN THE SERVING THE CITIZENS.
AND, AND TO NOT APPORTION THIS OUT WOULD IN FACT BE A, A, A TAX INCREASE ON ALL THE CITIZENS INSIDE ROY CITY, ISD THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR.
LIKE COMMISSIONER LTE SAID THE 1600 OR 3000 STUDENTS.
SO, AND I WOULD JUST ASK KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS, AS WE HAVE SURE.
WE CONVERSATION WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP IT IN MIND.
WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITHIN REASON AND WITHIN THE RULES THAT ARE GIVEN TO US AND BE TREATED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND SO IF WE'RE BEING TREATED IN THE COUNTY TO HAVE TO PAY A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE, THEN I WOULD EXPECT EVERY CITY OUGHT TO BE CHARGING A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE.
AND EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE OUGHT TO BE CHARGING A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATURE SAYS WE NEED TO DO, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DO.
BUT AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'RE GOING BACK TO YOUR, YOUR COUNT, YOUR TAXES.
WELL, THERE'S A REASON THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TAXES ARE SET AS HIGH AS THEY ARE SET.
THAT IS FOR THE FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOLS.
A LOT OF IT IS, A LOT OF IT IS.
SO WE WOULD EXPECT IF WE'RE ASSESSED A COUNTY IMPACT FEE FOR SCHOOLS, THEN OUR TAXES ON OUR PROPERTY FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT OUGHT TO GO DOWN.
SO IF YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE.
I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA GUARANTEE THAT.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
WELL, I'M, I AM ATTEMPTING TO NOT HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT BE A DEFACTO TAX ON EVERYBODY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT GETS TO THE POINT, IF THE DEVELOPMENT WEREN'T HERE, THE NEED WOULDN'T BE THERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT CAUSED THE NEED FOR THE SCHOOLS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU, WHERE EVERYBODY LIVES.
THE INS RATE ON, ON THE SCHOOL RATE SHOULD COME DOWN AND SIGNIFICANTLY.
SIGNIFICANTLY, JUST TO FLIP THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF, IF WE DON'T GET THIS APPORTIONMENT, THE INS IS GONNA GO UP, WHICH YOU WOULD AGREE IT IS A DEFACTO TAX ON ALL THE CITIZENS INSIDE THE DISTRICT.
SO IT, IT, IT MAYBE IS A, UH, NOVEL WAY OF, OF LOOKING AT IT.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING THE CONVERSATION.
BEING OPEN-MINDED AND, AND I MEAN, I, I PAY SCHOOL DISTRICT TAXES AND, UH, I HAVE KIDS THAT ARE OLDER AND NONE OF 'EM ARE IN SCHOOLS AND I HATE IT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I PAY 'EM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR STATE GOVERNMENT HAS SET UP.
SO WE'RE NOT INVENTING WAYS TO TAKE MONEY, UH, OR GET ADDITIONAL, UH, REVENUE HERE.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF YES OR NO QUESTIONS.
I DON'T NEED A LOT OF DETAILS ON 'EM.
UM, NUMBER THREE IS AMBULANCE.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A PROOF OF SERVICE FOR AMBULANCE SERVICES? WE HAVE A CONTRACT, MCCLENDON CHISHOLM RIGHT NOW.
THEY WANNA RENEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT, BUT THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO RENEGOTIATE IT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
BUT OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WITH MCLENDON CHISHOLM IS JUST LIKE POETRY ROAD PROJECT CONTRACT.
LIKE IT, WITH THE EXCEPTION WE'RE GONNA BUILD MCLENDON CHISHOLM A FIRE STATION WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT BUILT FOR 'EM.
AND THEN, UM, UH, UH, WATER SEWER, BROADBAND, ELECTRIC, NATURAL GAS.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE FULLY COMFORTABLE THAT
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THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED IN THERE AND PROOFED UP LIKE THEY'RE, I'M JUST ASKING A VERY BROAD QUESTION.BECAUSE, NOT BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVIDE GAS.
IT MAY JUST BE AN ALL ELECTRIC COMMUNITY.
CAN WE, UH, GO BACK TO WATER REAL QUICK? UM, DO, SO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL, OR IS THERE ANOTHER, UH, ULTIMATE PROVIDER THERE? WE, WE CAN GET SOMETHING FROM THEM THAT SAYS, YES, WE CAN SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER, WE ARE, LET ME STEP BACK.
WE'RE IN BLACKLAND WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, CCN.
THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SERVE US WATER.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR YEARS TO SOLVE THEIR WATER ISSUES.
THEY CAN'T GROW WITHOUT GETTING ANY MORE WATER.
THEY'VE GONE TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER, UH, DISTRICT, UH, WHO IS THE REGIONAL PROVIDER.
THEY HAVE A CONTRACT NOW IN PLACE WITH NORTH TEXAS TO PURCHASE WATER FROM THEM DIRECTLY DOWN NEAR TERRELL ON FM FIVE.
AND WE HAVE PREPARED PLANS AND SECURED ALMOST 80 EASEMENTS TO BRING A SIX MILE PIPELINE AND BUILD A PUMP STATION TO PUMP WATER UP INTO THIS AREA.
SO, SO THEY HAVE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY RUN THE TRAP
SO IF YOU NEED TO CHECK WITH SOMEBODY, CHECK WITH BLACKLAND, THEY CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE DOCUMENTATION.
I WOULD JUST WANT SOMETHING FROM NORTH TEXAS THAT SAYS, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THE EXTRA WATER ONCE YOU BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE WATER.
BUT IT'S BETTER IF BLACKLAND GIVES IT TO YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WATER PROVIDER.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT AS A DEVELOPER WITH NORT, TEXAS.
SO THEN, UM, AND, AND I FULLY APPRECIATE THE THE NATURAL GAS THING.
I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, DRAINAGE OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE SORTED OUT THROUGH SITE AND CIVIL, UM, ANIMAL CONTROL WE WILL CONTRACT, TYPICALLY IT'S WITH THE SAME COMPANY THAT HANDLES THE CITY'S YES.
UH, CONTRACT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL.
AND THEN OBVIOUS TRASH AND REFUGE YES.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA PICK THAT
YOU'RE NOT JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT ALL OVER YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEN, UM, ON THE OPEN SPACES, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS COMMENTS FROM OUR OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE, UM, THAT WERE GIVEN BACK.
HAVE, HAVE THOSE BEEN MY QUESTION? HAVE THOSE BEEN EXCHANGED OR CAN I CLARIFY? PLEASE? THERE WAS A PLAN THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE.
AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE TOUR.
UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, HAVE YOU HAD ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND YEAH.
WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AS, AS FAR AS THAT, UH, WE'LL GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO SURPRISES IN THERE, BUT IF IT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THEN WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF TIMING.
AND WE GOTTA WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT 'CAUSE WE FLUSHED OUT KIND OF A DOCUMENT ON IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND LET US KNOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US ALSO.
AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY FITS WITH THE, I SHOULDN'T SAY, I WOULD ASK OUR COUNSEL WHETHER OR NOT THAT FITS WITHIN THE ASSESSMENT.
IT'S A SEPARATE CATEGORY OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SECTION ONE POINT 10.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT FITS WITHIN THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BILL TO.
I THINK IT'S ON YOUR LIST OF THE 16 ITEMS OPEN SPACES.
IT, IT IS ON THE LIST OF 16 ITEMS, BUT THERE'S A, A SEPARATE CATEGORY OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THAT SPECIFIES THE DEVELOPERS REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARDING OPEN SPACES BASIS, HEY, COMMISSIONER, THOSE DO OVERLAP.
THERE'S, UH, OVERLAPPING REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THOSE AND, BUT THEY CAN ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE SAME INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
DID YOU, YOU YOU HAD A LIST? NO, NO.
I, I JUST WE'RE HERE IN A WORKSHOP TOGETHER.
I DIDN'T WANT TO IGNORE THE WHOLE LIST DUE TO THE FACT OF THE CONTENTIOUS ITEMS WAS, WAS ONLY MY POINT IS TO JUST CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCUSSED ALL
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16 THAT WERE WERE ADDRESSED.SO, AND, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT.
I, I THINK WE KNOW PRETTY, PRETTY WELL.
OR, OR MAYBE WE DIDN'T SKIP IT AND I DIDN'T THINK IT GOT AS MUCH WEIGHT AS IT WOULD SEWER.
I JUST PUT KIND OF WATER AND SEWER TOGETHER AS IT WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN.
IT'S JUST YOU, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER.
SO WE, WE'D HAD A, A BRIEF CONVERSATION, UH, BACK WHEN COMMISSIONER BAILEY WAS HERE, A LITTLE, LITTLE WORKSHOP THAT YOU GAVE ME SOME CONTACTS UP IN, UH, FARMERSVILLE.
AND WE DID GO UP AND TOUR, TOUR THE SEWER PLANT.
UH, REAL EXCITING, EXCITING DAY TO GO TOUR A, A SEWER PLANT.
BUT, BUT IT IS, IT IS SOMEWHAT IMPRESSIVE WITH WHAT THEY DO.
AND THIS, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE COMPANY AND THE MEMBRANE, BUT IT, IT IS, UM, UM, YEAH, IT WA IT WAS KIND OF, UH, UH, INFORMATIVE, UH, TO ME.
UM, SO, AND WE'D TALKED PRIOR TO THAT.
YOU MENTIONED JUST BRIEFLY AND DIDN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT USING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND HAVING A RETAINAGE POND AND THEN USING THAT TO WATER THE COMMON AREAS.
ARE, ARE WE STILL THINKING OF THAT? WE ARE.
WE'VE ENGAGED THAT SAME ENGINEERING FIRM IN FARMERSVILLE TO DESIGN OUR PLANT.
THEY HAD JUST GAVE US OUR PRELIMINARY STUDY.
UH, THE EFFLUENT OR THE WATER COMING OUTTA THE PLANT IS CALLED, IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE ONE EFFLUENT WITH THE TCEQ.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WATER CAN BE REUSED FOR IRRIGATION.
THEY DON'T RECOMMEND YOU DRINKING IT RIGHT OUT OF THE DEAL, BUT THE, THE SALESMAN DID.
BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY TAKERS THAT DAY THOUGH.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU DID
IT IS OUR PERMIT LEVELS HERE, IT'S WAY ABOVE THAT AS FAR AS QUALITY COMING OUT OF IT.
UM, OUR DISCHARGE POINT IS ACTUALLY IN, UM, UPSTREAM END OF A SMALL CREEK THAT FEEDS INTO A SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE LAKE THAT WAS BUILT BACK IN THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES.
AND SO THE IDEA IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT WATER GO IN THERE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUMP OUT THAT LAKE FOR IRRIGATION, UH, FOR THE MAIN, MAINLY FOR COMMON OPEN SPACES AND ANY OTHER KIND OF PARKS TYPE, UH, PROJECTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO PUMP THAT TO EACH RESIDENT.
UH, THAT GETS A LITTLE VERY COMPLICATED VERY QUICKLY.
BUT, UM, SO YEAH, THE IDEA IS TO USE THAT WATER OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS REUSED WATER.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, UH, TRAPS COME WITH PUMPING IT INTO THE SOIL CONSERVATION.
LIKE, AND WE'RE JUST SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING A, UM, WORKSHOP, I GUESS WE'VE BEEN WORKSHOP HEAVY, UH, ON THE 31ST, UH, WITH THE SOIL CONSERVATION PEOPLE HERE JUST GOING OVER, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND ONE OF OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES IS TO GET, UM, THE STATE TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE SOIL CONSERVATION LAKE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES TO HANDLE RUNOFF FROM, UH, FARMLAND AND PRAIRIE LAND.
AND, AND NOW WE'VE GOT IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THEY'RE SILTED IN, AND WE'VE, UH, WE GOTTA LOOK AT SOME MAINTENANCE ON THOSE.
SO WE, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE FOCUS AT SOME POINT ON WHAT IT DOES DUMPING INTO THAT PARTICULAR LAKE.
AND, UM, I, I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE WOULD BUILD OUR OWN RETAINAGE POND SEPARATE OF THAT.
UM, BUT I GUESS WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHENEVER.
I MEAN, WE, IT MAY BE THAT WE EXPAND THAT LAKE, UH, TO SOME EXTENT TOO AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THE DISCHARGE POINT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TCEQ IS EXACTLY WHAT I DESCRIBED AS A LITTLE, A STREAM UP UPSTREAM OF THAT LAKE.
SO WHEN THEY REVIEWED THAT AND WENT THROUGH THEIR, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS, THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS DOWNSTREAM OF IT AND, AND UNDERSTOOD THAT.
SO, UH, I, I KNOW YOU SAID IT COULD BE THAT WE WOULD EXPAND THAT LAKE.
SO I'M NOT GONNA TRY AND HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE, BUT ONE THING WE COULD LOOK AT TO DO WITH THE, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, 'CAUSE AS WE TALKED THAT DAY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, THAT WOULD WE DISCUSS DONATING THAT TO THE COUNTY.
ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UH, OR WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS IF YOU THINK YOU COULD DO WORK TO THAT LAKE, IS MAYBE REMOVING SOME OF THE SILT, UH, AND DEEPENING IT A LITTLE BIT.
BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROVIDE A GREAT AMENITY ALSO TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE TWO LAKES AND THE LAKE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS NOT WHERE THE SEWER PLAN IS.
THE SEWER PLAN IS ON THE FAR, I'LL CALL NORTHERN LAKE CLOSER TO FM FIVE 50 ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING AND PUTTING IT INTO THAT N-R-C-A-S 13? I THINK IT'S, IS THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE BY, NO, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THAT.
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YEAH.BUT THE DISCHARGE POINT IS IN THE, INTO THE OTHER LEG ITSELF.
I SAID, ARE YOU DONE
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING.
SO MY, I'M TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE MY TO-DO LIST AND, AND WANNA SEE IF YOU AGREE WITH IT AT THE END.
AND THEN I'LL TRY TO, UM, OKAY.
THE OTHER, ANOTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU, AND THIS DOES, IT'S NOT ON THESE ASSESSMENTS, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE WORK SHOPPING, UM, LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT, ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION, UH, REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DEALS WITH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
AND I KNOW YOU TOLD US YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE.
I I WOULD EXPECT THAT'S NO BIG SURPRISE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I, I HAVE REAL CONCERN ABOUT IN GOING FORWARD, JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS, UM, IS THE ASSESSMENTS.
AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS THAT YOUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ESTABLISHES A RESERVE FUND FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF ROADS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND I KNOW NOBODY LIKES PAYING HOA ASSESSMENTS, JUST LIKE NOBODY LIKES PAYING MUD ASSESSMENTS OR PROPERTY TAXES.
BUT MOST OF THE STREETS YOU'RE BUILDING IN HERE ARE GONNA BE PRIVATE STREETS.
SO THAT'D BE PAID BY THE UTILITY DISTRICT'S PROPERTY TASK, PROPERTY TAXES.
SO MAYBE THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE, AS PART OF ALL THIS WORK SHOPPING WE'RE DOING AND DISCUSSING MM-HMM
I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU TO KNOW THAT THESE PRIVATE STREETS, 15 AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THEY START CRACKING MM-HMM
AND NEED TO BE REPLACED, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY THERE TO FIX 'EM.
UM, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM IN OTHER CITIES HERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, WHERE DEVELOPER WILL COME IN AND BUILD PRIVATE STREETS, AND THEN AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGES, THOSE PRIVATE STREETS START CRACKING AND BREAKING AND THEY NEED REPAIR.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPERS OR THE RESIDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, WE WANT THESE TO BE PUBLIC STREETS AND SHIFT THEM OVER TO THE YEAH.
SO I, TO ME, IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRIVATE STREETS, THEY'RE ADEQUATELY FUNDED AND YOU CAN PROJECT ALL THOSE COSTS.
SO MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT TOO AS PART OF IT AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE CAN GET SOMETHING FROM OUR MUD ENGINEER TO THAT SAYS WHAT THEY PROJECT AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE O AND M, YOU KNOW, SO WE ALWAYS, PART OF A, UH, TAX IN A UTILITY DISTRICT, UM, UH, IS, IS PART OF ITS CAPITAL COST, PART OF ITS O AND M COST.
SO THE THING IS, THE OM O AND M COSTS ARE PRETTY SMALL TO BEGIN WITH IN THE EARLY YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AS YOU MOVE FURTHER INTO LATER YEARS, THAT O AND M COST NEEDS TO GO UP HIGHER FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING THE UTILITY DISTRICT DOES, IS MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE.
LUCKILY IN THIS CASE, THE HOA IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE STREETS BECAUSE I'M, I'VE HAD PLENTY OF EXPERIENCES AS WELL PERSONAL AS WELL, OF NOT HAVING PROPER BUDGETED HOA RESERVES TO MAINTAIN PRIVATE STREETS.
AND THAT'S A VERY COMMON THING.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT IS NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SINCE THE UTILITY DISTRICT'S GONNA OWN THE STREETS AND MAINTAIN, THEY MAINTAIN THE STREETS, THE DRAINAGE, THE, UM, AND THE, UH, WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM.
AND, UH, THE WATER IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY BLACKLAND.
WHAT ABOUT THE, AND THEN THE HOA MAINTAINS ANY OPEN SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THE HOA, NORMALLY ANY KIND OF FIELDS OR, UM, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR AMENITY CENTERS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WHAT ABOUT STREETLIGHTS? IS THAT PART OF STREETS? YEAH.
STREETLIGHTS WOULD BE PART OF STREETS.
UM, WHAT ELSE IS THAT? LET, LET, LET ME KIND OF GIVE YOU A RECAP AND SEE IF YOU, YOU AGREE WITH IT.
I GOT A LIST OF ABOUT FIVE THINGS HERE.
UH, NUMBER ONE, YOUR QUESTION IS THE METHODOLOGY FOR ROADS GOING TO BE THE SAME GOING FORWARD? I'LL GET THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SECOND THING THAT, THAT I NEED TO, TO GET, UH, WITH YOUR HELP IS THE CAPITAL COST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT BASED ON YOUR SOON TO BE REVISED SCHEDULE.
SO YOU, YOU GUYS WILL GET US THE SCHEDULE AND THEN I CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THE SHERIFF AND SAY, SHOW ME THE CAPITAL COST
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AND, AND AT WHAT POINT, AND OF COURSE, WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT ENTIRE BREAKDOWN.AT WHAT NUMBER OF HOMES DO WE REACH THE TIPPING POINT WHERE THAT NOW CAN FUND? RIGHT.
UH, THE, THE SALARY AND WE'LL, WE'LL BRING ALL THAT BACK TO YOU.
UH, NUMBER THREE IS THE BLACKLAND WATER.
I'LL GET WITH THEM TO, UH, GET THEIR LETTER FROM NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT THAT SAYS THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER OR WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER TO, TO PROVIDE, UH, THE TWO, TWO MORE THINGS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA HA UH, GET THE INFORMATION OR HAVE ME GET THE INFORMATION.
A MCCLENDON CHISHOLM FIRE, UH, I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA RESTART OR IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATIONS.
NO, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT THAT'S A VALID CONTRACT.
IT'S ALREADY IN IT'S DONE, DONE DEAL.
THEY, THEY HAVE COME BACK, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, THEY HAVE COME BACK LATELY AND GO, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO MEET AGAIN.
THEY'VE HAD SOME CHANGE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THE REASON WHY, UM, WE SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO TALK TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY TERMS YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE SAME CONTRACT WE HAVE FOR POETRY ROAD, UH, PROJECT AS WELL.
AND IS THAT WITH MCCLENDON CHISHOLM AS WELL? YES.
TO PROVIDE, THEY PROVIDE, UM, FIRE AND EMS SERVICE.
WELL, I'LL PROBABLY REACH OUT AND SURE.
UH, AND THE, THE FINAL ONE IS, UH, ROY CITY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I THINK YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO RESTART THAT, THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU IF IT'S, AND UNDERSTAND, YOU PROBABLY WANNA START THAT CONVERSATION WHEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS AND DIRT STARTS MOVING AND CORRECT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO REACH OUT TO THEM JUST TO GET A, A FEEL? UH, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I, YOU, YOU'RE, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO 'EM, BUT WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO 'EM REGARDLESS, SO, OKAY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID I MISS? OPEN SPACES.
WE NEED THEIR CONFIRMATION OF THE OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
DOES THAT, WHERE CAN I GET THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S MINUTES? I CAN, THAT I CAN PULL OUT? I I CAN SEND YOU A COPY.
WHAT'S YOUR EMAIL, JEFF? IT'S UH, J I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.
GIMME NOTE AFTERWARDS WITH YOUR EMAIL.
I'LL SEND YOU YEAH, I KNOW YOURS.
WELL, AND AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING A SOIL CONSERVATION MEETING ON THE 31ST IN THIS VERY ROOM.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THEY'D LIKE THAT AND, AND THAT MEETING, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE FOR, FOR YOU GUYS TO BE THERE IN, IN ANY CAPACITY.
UM, WHAT TIME IS THAT MEETING? IT'S GONNA BE 9:00 AM IN THIS ROOM.
YEAH, OUR, ONE OF THE THING I JUST WANTED OUR NEXT STEP, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING SUBMIT, RESUBMITTING THE PULMONARY PLATS.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING.
WE HAD A GOOD MEETING, ONLINE MEETING.
WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING ON THOSE P PLATS, BUT BE LOOKING FOR THOSE QUICKLY TO COME BACK INTO YOUR OFFICE.
I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CONSULTANT CONNOR IS PREPARED.
I DON'T WANNA, I WANT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIME CLOCK ON EVERYTHING.
SO THIS, TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE RIDICULOUS TIME CLOCK AND THEN HAVING TO DO ALL THIS IS, IS, THAT'S STRESSFUL ON YOU GUYS.
WE, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP COMING UP HERE.
WE'D RATHER, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T RESUBMITTED IT, BECAUSE WE WOULD RATHER JUST WORK WITH CONNOR KIND OF OFF THE CLOCK AND THEN, BUT AS SOON AS WE SUBMIT IT, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THE TIME.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN IN OUR COURT TO RESUBMIT IT, BUT WE'VE HELD OFF ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET HIM KNOW WHAT ALL WE WENT OVER.
DID I, DAVID, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? LET'S DO THAT.
WE CAN JUST DO THAT SIMULTANEOUS WITH PORTIONMENT CONCURRENT.
I, I'LL TELL YOU ANOTHER HOMEWORK ITEM AND I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
YOU HAVE THIS APPORTIONMENT SECTION THAT'S IN YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND THEN YOU HAVE A SECTION DEALING WITH PRELIMINARY PLATS, BUT THERE'S NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I READ, THE APPORTIONMENT COULD BE APPROVED AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO,
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WE, WE, WE WANNA WORK THINGS OUT PRIOR TO THE PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE STEPS AFTER PRELIMINARY PLOT.WE'VE GOTTA SUBMIT ENGINEERING PLANS, WHICH THEY'RE READY TO GO.
THEY'VE JUST BEEN, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE ENGINEERING PLANS APPROVED, THEN WE CAN GO TO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MY THOUGHT IS THIS AND, AND IF YOU COULD CONSIDER THIS, WE'D LIKE TO SUBMIT TO PRIMARY PLATS, GO AHEAD AND GET TO P PLATS APPROVED SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP WITH THE DETAILED ENGINEERING PLANS AND HAVE CONNOR'S GROUP REVIEWING THAT.
AND THEN ALONG THAT SAME, DURING THAT SAME REVIEW CYCLE, WE CAN BUTTON UP THE APPORTIONMENT STUFF.
I, I, WE, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO THE APPORTIONMENT UPFRONT.
WE CAN'T TAKE A STRAW VOTE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO TAKE THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSIONER IN PRECINCT THREE THAT THIS FALLS UNDER AND, AND JUDGE NEW.
SO I THINK WE'VE STARTED A GOOD CONVERSATION TODAY.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE SO THAT NO ONE FEELS LIKE THE RUG WAS SWEPT OUT FROM ONE OTHER PERSON.
JUST A FEW MORE HONEST CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS AND CONNOR.
AND, AND THEN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WISH AT THAT POINT.
THANK YOU YOU FOR COMING HERE ON THIS APPRECIATE NICE, NICE COLD DAY.
THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND SO, COMMISSIONERS AT 1207 WE'RE ADJOURNED.