* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'M GONNA CALL THE REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO ORDER. IT IS FEBRUARY 25TH. IT IS 9:00 AM I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER [A) INVOCATION] GOANA TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER STACY TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, LET'S GO TO THE LORD GOD, IN THIS TIME OF DIVISION AND OTHERS RETURN TO YOU, I PRAY FOR UNITY FOR OUR NATION, FOR OUR STATE, COUNTY, CITIES. I PRAY FOR HEALING AND RESTORATION FOR THOSE STILL SUFFERING IN NORTH CAROLINA, CALIFORNIA. I PRAY FOR THE PROTECTION OF ISRAEL. I ASK THAT YOU PROTECT OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN, BOTH HERE AND ABROAD. AND I PRAY THAT BIBLICAL VALUES GUIDE US IN BOTH GOOD TIMES AND IN TIMES OF TROUBLE. I ASK THOSE THAT, THAT ARE LOST TO FIND YOUR GRACE, MERCY, AND HOPE I PRAY OVER OUR LOCAL LEADERSHIP, FAITH LEADERS, AND I ASK YOU TO GUIDE THEM AND PROTECT THEM AS THEY WORK FOR THE GOOD OF ALL GOD'S CHILDREN IN THIS HOLY NAME TO PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. ALRIGHT, FIRST IN THE LEDGE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, JUSTICE, SPRAWL, TEXAS ON WITH THE TEXAS FLAG TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. GOD BLESS, TEXAS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. [RECOGNITION/PRESENTATION] THAT BRINGS US TO RECOGNITION OF GUEST, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER NOW TO ROCKWALL CHIEF OF POLICE, ED FOWLER. ED'S GOT A RECOGNITION HE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORTH. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING US HERE, AND SHERIFF GARRETT, ANY DIGNITARIES AND LEADER IN THE LEADERS IN THE, UH, THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, THE AWARD TODAY SURROUNDS A CAPITAL OFFENSE THAT TOOK PLACE AT THE HARBOR OF MURDER BACK IN OCTOBER. AND THE DEPUTY HERE TODAY, EDWARD QUINN, WHICH I LOVE HIS FIRST NAME, I'M AN EDWARD, ALSO, UH, ACTUALLY WAS, WAS A KEY COMPONENT TO HELP RESOLVE THIS CASE. DEPUTY, IF YOU'LL COME UP HERE WITH ME, PLEASE, LIEUTENANT, IF YOU, OR EXCUSE ME, CAPTAIN, IF YOU'LL READ THE PARAMETERS OF THE AWARD, PLEASE. YES. THE ROCKWALL POLICE DEPARTMENT GENERAL ORDERS, UH, READ FOR THE AWARD FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF MERIT THAT'LL BE AWARDED FOR EXCELLENCE AND POLICE WORK, BRINGING FAVORABLE RECOGNITION TO THE ROCKWALL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE AWARDED TO POLICE OFFICERS OF ANY RANK FOR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE OF DUTIES UNDER UNUSUAL, COMPLICATED, OR HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME TO BE AWARDED TO NON-SWORN POLICE PERSONNEL, AS WELL AS OFFICERS FOR OUTSTANDING OR SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE OF ANY ASSIGNMENT OVER A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME. BUT SUCH PERFORMANCE TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED AS EXCEPTIONAL, PLACING THEM WELL ABOVE OTHER OFFICERS OR CIVILIANS OF EQUAL RANK OR GRADE. AND FINALLY, MAY BE AWARDED WITHOUT BARR OR WITH BARR TO ANY POLICE OFFICER FROM ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, QUALIFYING UNDER THE ABOVE-MENTIONED CONDITIONS IF EARNED, WHILE AIDING, ASSISTING OR WORKING WITH ANY OFFICER OF THE ROCKWALL POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO BEFORE WE CONFER THE AWARD, I WANNA SAY THIS, WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO WORK IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND I MEAN THAT THE INNER WORKINGS OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE INVOLVED, THE FBI, ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE TEXAS RANGERS, AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THE CRIME WAS ACTUALLY SOLVED WITHIN 14 HOURS, WHICH IS UNBELIEVABLE. THIS IS A COUNTY WHERE YOU CAN PICK UP A PHONE AND ASK FOR HELP IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE. WERE THERE. I LOVE IT. I'VE WORKED HERE 35 YEARS, JUST A PHENOMENAL PLACE TO WORK. SO, SHERIFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP, PLEASE, CAPTAIN, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND CONFER THE AWARD, PLEASE. DURING THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF THURSDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, 2024, A HOMICIDE OCCURRED IN THE HARBOR DISTRICT IN ROCKWALL, TEXAS. THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION REVEALED THE VICTIM HAD BEEN SHOT AND HIS TRUCK WAS TAKEN FROM THE CRIME SCENE DURING THE OFFENSE, DEPUTY EDUARDO MARQUIN ARRIVED AT THE SCENE TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THE OFFICERS. DEPUTY MARQUIN, UH, QUICKLY BEGAN PROCESSING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING GATHERED BY INVESTIGATORS AND UTILIZED SEVERAL DIGITAL TOOLS THAT PROMPTLY LED TO THE DISCOVERY OF A VEHICLE OF INTEREST RELATED TO THE HOMICIDE. THAT INFORMATION WAS VETTED AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS SOUND REASON TO BELIEVE THE VEHICLE WAS OCCUPIED BY POTENTIAL SUSPECTS. THE VEHICLE IN QUESTION WAS LATER LOCATED TRAVELING WEST ON IH 20 IN PALO PINTO COUNTY, AND TWO OCCUPANTS WERE STOPPED AND DETAINED. AFTER EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION AND QUESTIONING, BOTH SUBJECTS PROVIDED A CONFESSION TO THE OFFENSE AND IMPLICATED A [00:05:01] THIRD SUSPECT WHO WAS LATER ARRESTED. THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED ALSO SERVED AS A BASIS FOR A WARRANT THAT WAS OBTAINED FOR THE VEHICLE, WHICH RESULTED IN THE DISCOVERY OF THE MURDER WEAPON AND ANOTHER FIREARM THAT IMPLICATED THE TWO OCCUPANTS AND OTHER FELONY OFFENSES. DEPUTY QUINN'S KEEN INVESTIGATIVE ABILITY PROVIDED VITAL INFORMATION THAT PROPELLED THE INVESTIGATION FORWARD. THIS ULTIMATELY LED TO THE TIMELY APPREHENSION OF TWO DANGEROUS FELONS. THIS LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST TENANTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT COOPERATION AND FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE. DEPUTY EDUARDO MARQUIN IS HEREBY CONFERRED THE CERTIFICATE OF MERIT, YOUR BAR. OPEN IT UP, KEEP THEM ON UP THERE. CAPTAIN, YES. PHOTOS FOR US HAVE OH, , VERY PROUD OF YOU, . LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THESE WARDS ARE NOT GIVEN LIGHTLY BY OUR DEPARTMENT. SO FANTASTIC JOB. JUST EXCEPTIONAL. SO VERY PROUD OF YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. CONGRATULATIONS BUDDY. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. DEPUTY AMERICAN. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS, JUDGE. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. THAT BRINGS US TO ANOTHER RECOGNITION AND APPRECIATION, UH, AND I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER STACY AND COMMISSIONER LTE. YES, SIR. MARK RUSSO, WILL YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? UM, COMMISSIONER LTI AND I, UH, GOT TOGETHER. UH, I GUESS BOTH OF US HAVE SERVED WITH MARK RUSSO FOR A LONG TIME ON THE HISTORIC, UH, COMMISSION. YEAH. AND, UM, MARK HAS, UH, TERMED OUT OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. AND SO, UM, IT IS WITH A GREAT HONOR THAT I GET TO SAY THANK YOU. THE HISTORY OF ROCKWALL IS DIFFERENT NOW BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE THAN IT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED, AND THAT, AND THAT, AND I KNOW IT MEANS A LOT TO YOU, AND IT MEANS A LOT TO US. SO I'M GONNA READ THIS RESOLUTION. THE COMMISSIONER TI AND I WROTE IT SAYS, WHEREAS MARK RUSSO HAS SERVED AS A COMMISSIONER ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION FOR 10 YEARS. AND WHEREAS MARK RUSSO HAS SERVED AS PRESIDENT AND IN OTHER MULTIPLE OTHER LEADERSHIP POSITIONS ON THE COMMISSION. WHEREAS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MARK RUSSO, THE COMMISSION OBTAINED MULTIPLE HISTORIC MARKERS FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, IDENTIFIED HISTORIC SITES IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND RECEIVED THE DISTINGUISHED SERVICE AWARD FROM THE TEXAS STATE HISTORIC COMMISSION. AND WHEREAS MARK RUSSO HAS SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS ADVOCATING AND WORKING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT DOES HEREBY COME FORWARD TO HONOR MARK RUSSO FOR HIS WORK ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR HIS COMMITMENT TO IDENTIFYING, PRESERVING, AND PUBLICIZING THE HISTORY OF ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND IN DOING SO, MAKING ROCKWALL COUNTY A BETTER PLACE BY HONORING OUR PAST. THANK YOU, MARK, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU HAVE A SPEECH, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T RUN OFF MR. RUSSO. THERE, THERE'S A MICROPHONE THERE. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS IT'S ALL TRUE. MARK, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUDGE, UH, IT'S AN HONOR TO SERVE THIS COUNTY. EACH ONE OF YOU, UM, MEAN A LOT TO ME, AND, UH, I CHERISH EACH OF YOURS. FRIENDSHIP. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION, UH, VICE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT-ELECT, UH, DARLENE SINGLETON, AND THEN MARK O'CONNOR, OUR TREASURER FOR THE FOUNDATION. BUT WHAT WE DO IS REMEMBERING THOSE WHO CAN NO LONGER TALK. AND AS WE HAVE THOSE THAT SERVE, AND, AND THE JOB AS WE GROW, IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO PROTECT THOSE STORIES AND THAT LAND AND THOSE MOMENTS. SO, UM, AS I GET TO WORK IN THIS GREAT COUNTY, AND, AND AS I SEE TIME PASSING BY, UM, I REALIZE THAT HOPEFULLY I CAN BE A GOOD, UH, PARENT AND A LEADER TO OTHERS TO CONTINUE TELLING OUR STORIES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT KEEP US ALIVE. AND SO, UM, WE'RE BLESSED. WE HAVE A COUNTY THAT CARES. WE HAVE LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNITY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OPEN SPACE THAT CARES ABOUT OUR OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE OUR HISTORIC, WE HAVE A LIBRARY THAT CARES ABOUT OUR KIDS AND EDUCATION. WE HAVE A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND, AND A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT CARE AND KEEP US SAFE. AND THEY DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. THERE'S NO LIMITS. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A COUNTY OF MINIMUMS, AS HAS BEEN STATED IN THE PAST. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR [00:10:01] RECOGNITION, BUT REALLY IT'S ALL YOU GUYS AND, AND THE TRUST AS WE'VE DONE THE LETTER, THE TRAVIS LETTER. UM, WE'VE GOT A ROCK WALL THAT'S GONNA BE HOPEFULLY SEEN VERY SOON, AND WHO KNOWS? AND, UH, COMMISSIONER MACKETT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VISION ON 2050. IT MEANS EVERYTHING. SO, UM, JOHN, LAUREN AND I, I'M NOT SAYING LESS BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE THAN JUST A COMMISSIONER OF ME. YOU ARE MY FRIENDS, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JUDGE RUSO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER LICHTY. WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE RECOGNITIONS. YEAH, WE DO LIVE IN A GREAT COUNTY, AS EVERYONE SAID. UM, AND I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF WORKING WITH SO MANY GREAT FOLKS HERE. UH, ONE OF THOSE IS BOB DEJAN. UM, AND I WANNA TAKE A MINUTE TO READ A PROCLAMATION THAT OUR COURT HAS PROVIDED FOR BOB. WHEREAS ROBERT DEAN DEJAN IS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND AN URBAN DESIGNER WHO HAS LIVED IN ROCKWALL COUNTY SINCE 2008. AND DURING HIS TIME IN OUR COUNTY, HAS CONTRIBUTED POSITIVELY, POSITIVELY TO OUR COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS. AND WHEREAS BOB HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ESTABLISH A HIGH STANDARD FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AS THE DESIGNER OF LOS ELOS, A LOW DENSITY, NATURE FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCORPORATES A SIGNIFICANT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. AND WHEREAS BOB HAS TIRES TIRELESSLY SOUGHT TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION BY PROMOTING WILD FLOWERS IN NATIVE PRAIRIES, AND BEING A LOCAL LEADER IN DEVELOPING HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED MONARCH BUTTERFLY. AND WHEREAS BOB PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN AS THE CHAIR OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE, WHICH MASTER PLAN CONTINUES TO INFLUENCE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTY. WHEREAS BOB WORKED WITH OTHERS TO FORM THE ROCKWALL COUNTY OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE, WHICH IS A TEXAS NONPROFIT CORPORATION FORMED IN 2016 WITH A MISSION TO SAVE OPEN SPACES IN ROCKWALL BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. AND BOB HAS SERVED ON THE BOARD OF THE OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE FROM ITS FOUNDING UNTIL HIS RETIREMENT IN 2024. AND WHEREAS BOB'S IMPACT AND INFLUENCE HAS REACHED FAR BEYOND ROCKWALL COUNTY, INCLUDING EDUCATING YOUNG PEOPLE AS A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON NOW, THEREFORE, THE UNDERSIGNED BEING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY JUDGE, AND ALL COMMISSIONERS SERVING ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT DO HEREBY EXTEND TO ROBERT DEJAN RECOGNITION FOR HIS MANY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO ROCKWELL COUNTY, AND THANK HIM FOR HIS EFFORTS TO PRESERVE OUR COUNTY AS THE NATURAL TREASURE THAT IT IS. BOB, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH BOB FOR PROBABLY ALMOST 10 YEARS ON THE OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE, AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME TO FRUITION WITHOUT YOU, SO THANKS. WE HAVE ONE MORE PROCLAMATION. CAN WE GIVE THIS TO YEAH. UM, AND THIS IS FOR AN, A GREAT ORGANIZATION IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY PLAYHOUSE, WHEREAS THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY PLAYHOUSE WAS FOUNDED IN JANUARY, 1995, AND SINCE THEN, HAS BEEN A CORNERSTONE OF CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC EXPRESSION IN THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS, RCP HAS PROVIDED A PLATFORM FOR LOCAL TALENT TO SHINE AND HAS ENRICHED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS AUDIENCE MEMBERS THROUGH ITS DIVERSE ARRAY OF THEATRICAL PRODUCTIONS. AND WHEREAS RCP WAS FORMED WITH A GROUP OF 21 PASSIONATE THEATER ENTHUSIASTS, WHO RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR A LOCAL VENUE DEDICATED TO THE PERFORMING ARTS. AND SINCE ITS FORMATION, RCP HAS GROWN FROM THEIR MODEST INITIATIVE INTO A BELOVED INSTITUTION KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTIONS AND COMMITMENT TO ARTISTIC EXCELLENCE. AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY, RCP HAS DELIGHTED AUDIENCES WITH A WIDE RANGE OF PRODUCTIONS, FROM CLASSIC DRAMAS AND COMEDIES TO CONTEMPORARY PLAYS AND MUSICALS WITH EACH SEASON'S PRODUCTIONS BEING CAREFULLY CURATED TO OFFER SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, ENSURING THAT PATRONS OF ALL TASTES AND INTERESTS FIND ENJOYMENT AND INSPIRATION. AND WHEREAS IN ADDITION TO ITS PERFORMANCES, THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY PLAYHOUSE IS DEDICATED TO OUTREACH AND EDUCATION [00:15:01] OFFERING WORKSHOPS, CLASSES, AND CAMPS FOR ASPIRING ACTORS AND THEATER ENTHUSIASTS OF ALL AGES, WITH ALL THESE PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO CULTIVATE TALENT AND FOSTER A LIFELONG APPRECIATION FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS. AND WHEREAS RCPS DEDICATION TO ITS FOUNDING PRINCIPLES AND SOUND MANAGEMENT HAVE ALLOWED IT TO ACQUIRE ITS OWN THEATER FACILITY AND ALLOWS IT TO LOOK FORWARD TO IMPROVED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW EXPANDED FACILITY IN THE FUTURE. NOW, THEREFORE, THAT AS THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY PLAYOFFS CELEBRATES ITS MILESTONE 30TH ANNIVERSARY, WE, THE UNDERSIGNED MEMBERS OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT DO HEREBY CONGRATULATE RCP ON ITS PAST SUCCESS AS A BEACON OF CREATIVITY AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT. WE THANK RCP FOR ITS COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE ENCOURAGE IT TO GROW INTO AN EVEN MORE IMPACTFUL ORGANIZATION AS IT REMAINS COMMITTED TO ITS MISSION OF PROVIDING EXCEPTIONAL ENTERTAINMENT AND ENRICHING THE CULTURAL FABRIC OF OUR EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNITY. UH, SODA DARLENE SINGLETON, THE ENTIRE BOARD, AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE ON THEIR BEHALF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [1. PUBLIC FORUM] ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. THERE IS ONE PERSON SIGNED UP, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COLIN HUFFINES WHILE HE WORKS HIS WAY UP. UH, I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY, TRY TO KEEP IT TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING. SO THE FLOOR IS YOURS, MR. HUFFHINES. I'M JUST GONNA SET MY TIMER. COMMISSIONERS. HELLO, JUDGE NEW. MY NAME'S COLIN HUFFHINES. AND WHILE I'M NOT AS COOL AS OFFICER EDUARDO, I AM FROM A FAMILY LEGACY THAT SPANS ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OF DOING BUSINESS HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. WE SPECIALIZE TODAY IN MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES. AND THE MASTER PLAN THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS HORIZON LAKES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MUD NUMBER MUNICIPAL DISTRICT 10, THE HISTORY AND RELATED ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ON AGENDA ITEM 19 IS THAT A SUIT WAS ISSUED AGAINST OUR MUD DISTRICT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, THAT THE ALLEGED VOTER WAS A FELON. AND THE SECOND POINT BEING THAT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS INCONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. BOTH OF THESE ARE FALSE. THESE BALLOT LANGUAGE COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE WATER CODE, AND IT'S BEEN USED TO FORM THOUSANDS OF MUD DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. SECONDLY, THE VOTER PLEADED OUT 10, 11 DAYS AFTER THE ACTUAL ELECTION. SO HE WAS TOTALLY LEGAL TO VOTE. Y'ALL ARE, THE FACTS HAVE BEEN MISCONSTRUED AND TO HAVE TRUTHS HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS CASE, THIS COURT CASE AND LITIGATION NEEDS TO END. IT'S FRIVOLOUS, IT'S UNNECESSARY. YOU'RE WAGING A WAR AGAINST TWO CITIES THAT ARE APPROVING THIS MUD DISTRICT, THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CALLING IT HORIZON LAKES. THIS IS GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND EXPENSIVE COMMUNITY THAT CONSISTS OF OVER 150 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, 174 ACRE LOTS FOR CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS. AN EVALUATION THAT IS ONLY GONNA BRING IN THE BEST OF THE BEST TO THIS COUNTY, MCLENNAN ISM AND I HAVE, OR THE MUD DISTRICT, AND ALSO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS HORIZON LAKES HAVE AN EXECUTED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND WE HAVE OUTSIDE AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY OF HEATH. YOU CAN TALK TO BOTH MAYORS AND EXISTING AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS JOB IS DESIRED BY BOTH SOVEREIGN CITIES. THE DENSITY ON THIS JOB IS NOT TO BE UNDER OR OVERESTIMATED. THE FACTS ARE THAT WE HAVE ALMOST TWO HOUSES PER ACRE. THIS IS NOT A HIGH DENSITY JOB. WE ARE NOT DR. HORTON. WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TO BE FOUGHT AGAINST. WE ARE THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS. WE'RE BRINGING IN A $15 MILLION AMENITY CENTER, TRAILS AND MASTER PLAN TRAIL SYSTEM OF VARIABLE WIDTHS, SPANNING FIVE UP TO FIVE AND SIX MILES, A PROGRAMMED LAKE STOCKED TANKS, UM, WITH FISH. UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE IS THERE? UM, SMALL BOAT ACCESS. AND IN SUMMARY, I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR? WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST OUR COMMUNITY? WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST HIGH VALUE HOMES THAT ARE IN YOUR BACKYARD WITH LOW DENSITY? I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING RELATED TO ITEM AGENDA ITEM 19. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HIN. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON ANY COUNTY MATTERS? ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU. NO ONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA [2. Discuss/Act on the Rockwall County Strategic Plan 2050, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AN ACT ON ROCKWALL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER M**K, THANK, THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS, I'M PASSING OUT A, UM, PRESS RELEASE TO YOU AND I'VE [00:20:01] ALREADY GIVEN IT TO OUR COUNTY, UM, CLERK FOR THIS TO BE INCLUDED IN TODAY'S MEETING. BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS PA LAST WEEK WE FINALIZED, UM, VERSION THREE OF THE DRAFT PLAN. UM, IT IS IN GREAT SHAPE. UM, AND I WILL BE DOING, ALONG WITH MARK KIPPET, WE WILL DO BE DOING A FINAL QC REVIEW TOMORROW AFTER WE HAVE, WE'VE GIVEN THE, THE CHANGES TO BAKER TILLY, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE, BUT IT'LL BE JUST, IT'LL BE A FINAL REVIEW. LAUREN'S SMILING AT ME BECAUSE WE, HE HAS BEEN A PART OF THE, THE EDITING TEAM. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THE WORD FINAL JUST SOUNDS SO GOOD. I KNOW, I KNOW IT DOES. IT DOES. ME TOO. . UM, WE, ONCE WE HAVE THE FINAL REVIEW, WE WILL BE PLACING THAT ALONG WITH THIS STRICT, ALONG WITH THIS PRESS RELEASE ON OUR WEBSITE. UM, BECAUSE THEN THE NEXT TWO DATES THAT I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH THE, THE COURT AND WITH YOU GUYS IS THAT ON MARCH 11TH, WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION BY BAKER TILLY. AND IT WILL BE AT THIS TIME WHERE, UH, PEOPLE CAN, CAN, CAN HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, WE'LL ACCEPT OBVIOUSLY, PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. BUT THE, THE, THE NEXT KEY DATE WILL BE MARCH THE 25TH, OUR SECOND, UM, COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING IN THE MONTH OF MARCH. AND THAT WILL BE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL VERSION OF THE DRAFT PLAN OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. UM, I, I REALLY DO THINK THAT IT, IT IS, IT IS FOR, IT IS VERY GOOD. I'M VERY, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH. UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY BASED ON, UH, ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEN ON APRIL 8TH, THAT WILL BE THE DATE THAT WE WILL HAVE A VOTE, UM, HERE IN THIS COURTROOM TO ADOPT THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NOT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY UPDATE. ALL RIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. IT BRINGS [3. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the planned County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES IN PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE PLANNED COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, SEE MY FRIENDS THAT WE SPENT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS TOGETHER YESTERDAY AT THE SHERIFF SANTOS COMING UP HERE. . ALL RIGHT, NICO, TAKE IT AWAY. AWESOME. I LEMME JUST GET PLUGGED UP REAL QUICK ON THE SCREEN. WHAT'S THE, WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS NICO PARKS WITH BROON ASSOCIATES. I'LL BE PROVIDING A CONSTRUCTION UPDATE FOR THE COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT. UM, EVERYTHING ON SITE IS GOING VERY WELL. UM, THERE IS NO INJURIES ON SITE. UM, NO MAJOR OBSERVATIONS TO REPORT ON. UM, THE SCAFFOLDING HAS BEEN ERECTED FOR SOME OF THE ADHERED STONE THAT'S GETTING PUT ON THE EXTERIOR. SO THEY, UH, HELEN WILKINSON IS BEING VERY CAUTIOUS OF THE SCAFFOLDING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE DOING DAILY INSPECTIONS AND, UH, DOCUMENTING DAILY. UM, ALSO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GRADING WORK GOING ON FOR THE FIRE LANES THAT ARE TO BE POURED. UM, SO THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL HAZARDS, UH, WITH THE HEAVY MACHINERY BEING DRIVEN. SO, UH, THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED TRAFFIC SIGNALERS, UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UH, VERY MINDFUL AND, AND COMMUNICATING WITH EVERYONE SO THAT, UH, EVERYONE STAYS SAFE AND, UH, MAKES IT HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY. UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY PERFORMING UNDER BUDGET WITH A FEW, JUST A FEW PCOS TO GO OVER AFTER THIS UPDATE. UM, WE ARE STILL ON SCHEDULE. WE DID HAVE A WEATHER DELAY LAST WEDNESDAY FOR SOME OF THE RAIN, OR NO, SORRY, THAT WAS THE COLD WEATHER. UM, IT WAS DOWN BELOW 20 DEGREES, SO THEY HAD TO TAKE A, TAKE A WEATHER DAY FOR THAT. UM, I'M GONNA GO DOWN TO SKIP DOWN TO SOME OF THE PHOTOS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON ON SITE. UM, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE FRAMING IS ALL COMPLETE. A LOT OF THE MEDIUM, MEDIUM PRESSURE DUCTING IS COMPLETE. THEY INSTALLED, UH, THE ELECTRICAL RACEWAY FOR THE, UM, THE DATA CABLES OVERHEAD. UM, THEY'VE STARTED DOING SO. THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN SEE SOME BLOCKING IN THE WALL FOR THE, THE PLUMBING. A LOT OF THE PLUMBING HAS BEEN COMPLETED IN WALL. ACTUALLY. THEY HAD AN INSPECTION RECENTLY THAT PASSED FOR THE IN-WALL [00:25:01] PLUMBING. UM, THE TOP OUT DRYWALL HAS BEEN COMPLETED, UM, LARGELY I THINK THEY STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT TO DO. BUT, UH, HERE'S SOME OF THE FARM WORK THAT'S, UH, FOR THE FIRE LANE AND DRIVE APPROACHES. UM, AND THEN THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF PROTECTING YOUR GUYS' POLISHED CONCRETE SLAB, UH, WITH THESE KUDO MATS. SO IT'S JUST SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. UH, THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON INSTALLING SOME OF THE LOW PRESSURE DUCTING. UM, THEY'RE ON SITE RIGHT NOW, UH, REINFORCING THE FIRE LANES AND THE APPROACHES THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE POURED ON THURSDAY AND SATURDAY OF THIS WEEK. UM, THEY'RE GONNA START TWO SIDING, THE DRYWALL NOW THAT THEY HAVE THEIR INSPECTIONS. UM, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE EFIS INSTALLATION AT THE CLEAR STORY AND THEN, UM, CONTINUE THE ADHERED STONE AROUND THE EXTERIOR. AND THEY STARTED WITH THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, YESTERDAY FOR THAT HERE STONE. UM, NOTHING NEW TO REALLY REPORT ON PROCUREMENT WISE OTHER THAN WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO, UH, PLACING THE FURNITURE AND IT ORDERS. UM, AND QAQC WISE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAD THE END END WALL PLUMBING INSPECTION. UH, CMJ HAS BEEN OUT REGULARLY TESTING THE, UH, GRADE COMPACTION. UH, LEN WILKINSON HAS, UH, SCHEDULED A PRELIMINARY ACCESSIBILITY INSPECTION, UH, JUST TO VERIFY THE OPENINGS AND THE SPACING OF ALL, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN IS, IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR ACCESSIBILITY PURPOSES, UM, SO THAT THEY, IF THERE IS ANY ISSUES, THEY CAN KIND OF CATCH IT AHEAD OF TIME. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE SCHEDULED OUT, BUT I KNOW THAT HELEN WILKINSON HAS REACHED OUT TO THEM. SO THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD QUALITY CONTROL MEASURE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THAT ABOUT SUMS UP THE CONSTRUCTION UPDATE. ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, ROUGHLY IS THE HVAC GONNA BE IN AND ON? UH, MARCH. THE END OF MARCH. END OF MARCH, OKAY. YEAH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, IT PUSHED OUT TO APRIL. NOW I THINK ABOUT WITH THE MOST RECENT SCHEDULE UPDATE. IT'LL BE APRIL. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO TOURS SOMETIME IN MARCH. SO, UM, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH COMMISSIONER STACY ON, UH, BRINGING A FEW PEOPLE OUT AT A TIME FOR TOURS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. DON'T GO FAR. DO NOT GO FAR. YEP. ARE WE STAYING, STAYING UP OR DO THAT? THAT [4. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)] BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM EDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GOANA, AND YOU'RE UP AGAIN. THIS WAS THE SHERIFF OFFICE. OH, WE'RE GOOD. SALVADOR'S COMING. SALVADOR'S GOT A THIRD FLOOR. NICO WAS LIKE, I'LL, I CAN WING IT IF YOU NEED ME TO, BUT, UH, GOOD, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO NO, NO, UH, MAJOR ITEMS UPDATE OTHER THAN CONSTRUCTION STARTED. UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A FEW CALLS HERE AND THERE ABOUT NOISE. UM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH HELEN WIL GETSON TO KEEP THAT DOWN AND MITIGATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, THEY'RE AWARE OF UPCOMING, UH, UH, JURY TRIALS, UM, AND ARE WORKING TO SCHEDULE EVEN LESS, UH, HIGH NOISE ACTIVITIES DURING THAT TIME, UH, AND KIND OF MOVE THINGS AROUND. SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS AWARE OF WHEN THEY NEED ACCESS, UM, OR WHENEVER JURY TRIALS ARE THERE THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF, OF WHEN TO COORDINATE CORRECTLY. SO THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD JOB SCHEDULING SO FAR. UM, THE ONLY UPDATE I HAVE OTHER THAN THAT IS I WANT, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COURT'S, UM, ATTENTION IS BROUGHT TO THAT. THERE ARE STILL THREE ALTERNATES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ACTED ON FROM THE BASE BID. UH, TWO OF THESE ARE DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATES. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT BUDGET, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE FUNDED CORRECTLY. SO THERE ARE TWO, UH, DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATES AND ONE ADDITIVE ALTERNATE, UM, STILL, UH, AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY TO ACCEPT. UM, IT CAN BE ACCEPTED AT ANY TIME. SO, UH, ONE OF THOSE ALTERNATES, LET ME SEE HERE. THE FIRST ALTERNATE IS A DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATE OF $166,000. UH, THE SECOND IS AN ADDITIVE ALTERNATE OF $31,000, AND THE THIRD IS A DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATE OF $171,000. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COURT HAS THAT INFORMATION AND IS AWARE, UM, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO ACCEPT THOSE ALTERNATES AT ANY TIME. TIME. OKAY. I'M, I'M GUESSING COMMISSIONER GUANA WILL BRING THAT TO US AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO I, I WILL. OKAY. YES. BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL FOR THE UPDATE FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SALVADOR. THAT BRINGS US TO [5. Discuss/Act on approving a change order for the 3rd floor Courthouse project to redesign the corridor around the Treasurer's office at a cost of $6,270.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS AND [00:30:01] ACT ON APPROVING A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE THIRD FLOOR COURTHOUSE PROJECT TO REDESIGN THE CORRIDOR AROUND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AT A COST OF $6,270 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GUANA? YES. AND YOU'RE UP. SO WE'VE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM HDR FOR A SMALL REDESIGN OF THE CORRIDOR AROUND THE EXISTING TREASURER'S OFFICE. UM, THIS WOULD JUST MOVE A PLAN CORRIDOR THAT WOULD CUT THROUGH, UM, THE FRONT END OF HIS OFFICE AROUND TO THE, UH, UH, THE OFFICES IN FRONT OF HIM, WHICH ARE GONNA BE UNOCCUPIED AT, UH, END OF CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO THIS PROPOSAL WAS FOR DESIGN FROM HDR. THIS INCLUDES MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING DESIGN, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND LIFE SAFETY UPDATES. UM, SO THIS IS NOT CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS NOT CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS DESIGN. DO WE, WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE? CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, IS IT A WASH? 'CAUSE WE'RE MOVING, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO ONE FOR ONE. UH, I, I CAN'T CALL IT A WASH, UH, UNTIL WE GET IT PRICED FROM THEM. AND HELEN WILKINSON'S ONLY SEEN A, UH, SKETCH SO FAR. UM, BUT THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL DOORS BEING ADDED. UM, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY MOVING, UM, A, A DUCK OVER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR FEET, UM, TO, TO ACCESS THAT CORRIDOR. UM, IT, IF ANYTHING, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN DE DEMOLITION COST. UM, SO I, IN MY OPINION, IT'LL BE CLOSE TO A WASH, BUT I CAN'T SEE THAT FOR SURE. GOT IT. OKAY. UH, SO REALLY COMMISSIONERS, WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO ME, I I, IS IT WORTH $6,270 TO NOT DISTURB THE TREASURER WHILE, WHILE THEY DO THE, THE IMPORTANT JOB THEY DO, UH, AND, AND DISTURB A COUPLE EMPTY OFFICES? YEAH, AND I, I THINK YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TOO THAT IF WE DO SHIFT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, UH, FLOW, THAT WE ARE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT. I, I WOULD TO MAKE THAT WHOLE AGAIN. SO I, AT LEAST $6,270 I WOULD IMAGINE. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A PRETTY COMMON SENSE MOVE, IN MY OPINION, NOT TO DISRUPT OUR WORKFLOW RIGHT NOW. I, I, I AGREE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, JUST ONE, UM, COMMISSIONER GUANA, THIS IS, I, I WAS OVER THERE LOOKING AT THIS A WHILE BACK. THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY OUR TREASURER, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE SECURITY PERSONNEL DURING, DURING THIS TIME? DURING THE CONSTRUCTION TIME? Y YEAH. 'CAUSE WELL, EVENTUALLY THEY'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GO INTO THESE OFFICES. THEY WILL, ONCE THE CORRIDOR'S FINISHED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING, WELL, THERE'S THE SPARE OFFICES ON THE FOURTH FLOOR RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO UTIL UTIL THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE. OKAY. IN THE MEANTIME, THE AREA THAT SPECIFICALLY THIS CORRIDOR IS GOING THROUGH IS WHERE THERE'S AUDITOR STORAGE. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT THE SPARE OFFICES. YEAH, THAT'S, AND SO THEN THE AUDITOR STORAGE WILL HAVE TO TEMPORARILY MOVE AT SOME AT SOME POINT TOO. SO I, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WILL RENDER USEFUL OFFICES WHEN THIS IS DONE. THOSE OKAY. THOSE AREAS WILL BE, UH, ALWAYS A RECTANGLE. OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT'S FAIR. I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'LL BE, SO WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF ROOMS HANGING OUT THERE. THERE'LL BE SOME SMALLER STORAGE ROOMS. STORAGE. STORAGE, YEAH. WHERE WE ARE, WHICH WE'RE ALWAYS STORAGE, STORAGE, MAKING CLOSETS, SOMETHING WE DO MAKE SOME CLOSETS, . EXACTLY. AND THEN WHEN WE FINALLY GET TO BUILDING THIS PART OF THE COURTHOUSE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THEN CONSTRUCT THE CORRIDOR SOME WAY, SOMEHOW. SO IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN MOVE IT FOR, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY COST SAVINGS. I MEAN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MOVING SOME STUFF IN THE ANNEX AND IT'S LIKE $36,000 JUST TO REDESIGN AN AREA THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A ONE FOR ONE WASH OR IT'S GONNA COST MONEY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE CORRIDOR BACK TOGETHER WHEN YOU'RE READY TO DO THIS SIDE OF, SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE COST ANALYSIS, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S HARD TO SAY OTHER THAN IT IS A DISRUPTION TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND EVERYTHING ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING'S TEMPORARY. SO, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO AS YOU WEIGH THE ACTUAL COST, IT, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO REALLY PUT A PRICE POINT. 'CAUSE THE REAL IS THE PAIN POINT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE BUILD OUT THE REST OF THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH IS A DECADE YEAH. FROM NOW, PROBABLY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT, IT COULD BE A DECADE, IT COULD BE 20 YEARS, BUT THEN THE CORRIDOR NEED TO BE PUT BACK IN PLACE. SO THEN YOU'RE BUILDING IT AGAIN WHERE, WHERE YOU MOVED IT. SO, I MEAN, SO MY POINT KIND OF TO THE JUDGE'S POINT IS, IS THIS DECISION IS NOT NECESSARILY MADE AS A PRICE AS MUCH AS IT'S MADE FOR A PAIN POINT. DO WE WANT TO FORCE A CHANGE UPON A WORKING DEPARTMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY FOR 15 YEARS? YEAH. RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT'S MORE I THINK WHAT'S BEFORE US. BECAUSE I MEAN, ALL OF THIS IS TEMPORARY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO FRUSTRATING IS THAT WAS WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING A TEMPORARY CORRIDOR IN A TEMPORARY SPOT, GOING TO A PERMANENT PLACE. WE COULD BUILD THE PERMANENT CORRIDOR AND HAVE THE WHOLE PART OF THE BUILDING. BUT THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TREASURER'S OFFICE IS STILL IN THE TEMPORARY [00:35:01] PART. 'CAUSE THE COURTROOMS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE JUST GOTTA GET THE ELEVATOR ACCESS TO IT. SO, UH, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING I'M, I'M ANNOYED AT THE TREASURER. HE'S HERE. I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON HIM. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S KIND OF FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE US TO MOVE THE CORRIDOR AND THEN REBUILD THE CORRIDOR AND THEN RENDER THESE OFFICE USELESS IN, IN THE MEANTIME. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE BEST DECISION. I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THIS IS A DECISION MADE FOR EASE AND MONEY AS MUCH AS IT'S MADE FOR JUST LET'S, LET'S LEAVE THE TREASURER ALONE UNTIL WE'RE READY TO MOVE THE TREASURER AND DO SOMETHING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S JUST MY, MY 2 CENTS. WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S FINANCIALLY EXPEDIENT. WE'RE DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE WHY DISRUPT A WORKING OFFICE FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT COME INTO PLAY FOR A DECADE OR MORE? WELL, NO, GO AHEAD. UM, WELL, COMMISSIONER GOANA, MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN IT. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT ACTUALLY FROM WHEN I MET WITH THE TREASURER OVER THERE, THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT THIS HAS AN IMPACT IMMEDIATELY, NOT JUST 20 YEARS FROM NOW. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IMPACT ON THE TREASURER'S OFFICE OR YES, THE CONSTRUCTION. IF IT HAD STAYED IN ITS CURRENT CAPACITY, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE CHANGE, THEN IT WOULD TAKE OFF WHERE THE FIRST PERSON SITS WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. YEAH. IT WOULD BASICALLY ELIMINATE THAT SPACE AND TURN IT INTO A CORRIDOR. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'D LIKE TO GO AROUND THAT INTO THE EMPTY OFFICE ON THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIS DOOR. AND WE'D LIKE THE CORRIDOR ORDER TO GO THROUGH THERE. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY IS SAYING IS THAT WHEN WE BUILD OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE, NOT THIS CURRENT SIDE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL BUILD TWO COURTROOMS ON THE OTHER SIDE, PROBABLY RIGHT. AS WE GROW IN A DECADE OR 15 YEARS, THAT THAT CORRIDOR MAY HAVE TO BE SHIFTED AT THAT TIME TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT DESIGN. THAT'S NOT A KNOWN DEFINITE. YES. WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SHIFTED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE DESIGN'S GONNA LOOK YET. 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT. BUT, BUT IT COULD BE THAT 10 TO 15 YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE HAVE TO SHIFT THAT AND THE TREASURER WILL BE MOVING OUT OF THAT OFFICE LIKELY AT THAT TIME TOO. I, I GUESS I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT BEFORE IT. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY, I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL IMPACT THE OPERATION OF THIS IF WE DON'T MAKE THIS CHANGE. RIGHT. IF WE DON'T MAKE THIS CHANGE, IT'LL IMPACT THE TRAILER. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING THINKING 20 YEARS AHEAD. THIS IS, HAS AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON THE OPERATIONS OF ONE OF OUR OFFICES. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, IT IT HAS AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE IF WE DON'T, UH, ACCEPT THIS CHANGE ORDER IF WE DON'T MAKE THIS CHANGE. YEAH. YEAH. WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY'S JUST REFERRING TO IS THAT, UM, 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS, WHENEVER WE BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, COURTROOMS FIVE AND SIX. NO, I, I GET IT. THEN IT MAY BE AN IMPACT THAT WE HAVE TO GO UNDO. WE HAVE TO GO UNDO THIS POTENTIALLY AND CHANGE THE CORRIDOR. IT'S NOT KNOWN YET, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. I, I GET IT. THAT COULD HAPPEN. I I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE JUST DOING THINKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW. COULD NO, NO. WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE IMPACT ON THE TRACTOR. WE'RE WE TRYING TO ACTUALLY MAKE A GOOD DECISION, MAKE A CORRECT. COULD MOVE TO BENEFIT THE OPERATIONS OF OUR EMPLOYEES ABSOLUTELY. AND OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE. YES. AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, UM, LET THAT, THE, THE TREASURER, DAVID PEAK, HE, HE MET WITH ALL OF US BACK IN LATE, LATE FALL LAST YEAR AND PROBABLY SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE COME ON. AND HE, HE, HE EXPLAINED IT PRETTY EASILY TO ME OF WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT WITH EITHER VERSION A OR VERSION B AS AS HE PRESENTED. AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT JUST, THERE'S A COST TO IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND, AND, AND MY, MY, MY ISSUE JUST COMES WITH THE SECURITY OFFICE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE SECURITY OFFICE. IT'S NOT MY PROJECTS. I'M NOT, I'M NOT DOUBTING YOUR PLAN. I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. THAT WAS JUST MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WAS A PRETTY LOGICAL SPOT TO PUT 'EM. NOW IT'S NOT A LOGICAL SPOT TO PUT 'EM. UM, AND THEN, UH, IF THIS VOTE DOES GO WELL, UH, I'M GONNA GO TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE THIS AFTERNOON AND I NEED TO SEE THE BLUE TAPE OFF THE FLOOR. , UM, FOR, FOR HIS MEASUREMENT OF WHERE THIS CORRIDOR IS GOING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH. NO, I'M KIDDING. BUT, UM, UH, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE, WE, I MEAN, SECURITY IS A BIG DEAL AT THAT, AT THAT BUILDING. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THOSE GUYS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. YEAH. AND, UH, BUT I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN LISA MOVES OUT, NO ONE WILL NEED STORAGE. I MEAN, SHE'S OUR WHOLE STORAGE PROBLEM. I'M KIDDING. BUT , I'M KIDDING. LISA, YOU GO. THAT IS NOT, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. SO THAT, BARRY, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THE SECURITY OFFICE? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF IS IT GOING TO THE FOURTH FLOOR? UM, WITHOUT THIS SPACE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'LL STAY ON THE THIRD FLOOR [00:40:01] IN THE SMALL, UM, WHERE WE HAVE 'EM LOCATED RIGHT NOW. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER SPACE TO PUT THEM IN BESIDES THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE WORK DOESN'T CHANGE ON THIS WITH THIS, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. BUT, UM, IF, IF THE COURT IS INCLINED TO GO THAT DIRECTION, I JUST NEED DIRECTION ON WHERE TO TAKE THE AUDITORS, UH, RECORDS, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE THE, THE HOLDUP IN THEM STARTING, UH, THIS. SO I, I JUST, MAN, I, I, I WHAT ABOUT LISA'S OFFICE? YEAH, I WOULD SAY GET THAT DIRECTION FROM THE AUDITOR. YES. OKAY. OF WHERE, WHERE, WHERE SHE WANTS THOSE. I I DO, I DO HAVE SOMETHING, JUDGE, THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLEAR IT IS, UH, THAT THE CHANGE ORDER IS TO THE HDR AGREEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. TO TO THE ARCHITECT. OKAY. SO I JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SAID THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY AGREEMENTS ON EACH OF THESE PROJECTS THAT THANK YOU. WE ARE SWIMMING IN AN OCEAN OF AGREEMENTS. YES. UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE THIRD FLOOR COURTHOUSE PROJECT TO REDESIGN THE CORRIDOR AROUND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AT A COST OF $6,270. I'LL SECOND. SO WE HAVE MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THANK [6. Discuss/Act on the Sheriffs remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. ALL RIGHT. HELLO EVERYONE AGAIN. UH, NICO PARKS, GIVEN THE UPDATE ON THE SHERIFF OFFICE RENOVATION, UH, YESTERDAY, WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE, UH, PAGE TURN MEETING FOR THE 95% CONSTRUCTION DRAWING SET, UH, WHERE WE GATHERED COMMENTS FROM THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UM, MYSELF, UH, ANY OF THE OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT WERE ABLE TO JOIN THE CALL, THE DESIGN TEAM. AND WE JUST WENT PAGE BY PAGE THROUGH THE DRAWINGS, UM, AND KIND OF TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANY SCOPE GAPS THAT WERE THERE. UM, SO IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. UM, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE, UH, VERY SOON. UM, AND WE'RE ANXIOUSLY JUST, JUST, UH, PLUCKING AWAY AT, AT THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS, UH, IN ANTICIPATION OF HAVING THE A HUNDRED PERCENT SET AND BEING ABLE TO START, UM, WHICH IS LOOKING LIKE, UH, APRIL STILL. UH, SO APRIL IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. YEAH, IT IS . YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT TO UPDATE, BUT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO GET IT BACK TO THE COURT. AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER TY BROUGHT UP WITH ME THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T REALLY, HE'S NEVER REALLY SEEN A PRESENTATION ON THE PROJECT. SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS ONCE WE GET TO WHERE WE HAVE A GMP AND WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING A WORKSHOP WHERE WE DISCUSS THE BUDGET, WE DISCUSS THE PLAN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, SO WE LAY OUT THE WHOLE PROJECT AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE FOUR HOURS, BUT I JUST THINK KIND OF SPENDING A A MINUTE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF PROJECT AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, I, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, VALUABLE. UM, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE $5 MILLION. AND SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO JUST KIND OF STOP AROUND AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY WE'RE SPENDING THIS MONEY SO EVERYONE CAN GET COMFORTABLE. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING THAT ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS. ONCE WE KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT, THERE'S PHASING STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT SO WE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU GUYS HOW WE'RE PHASING IT, HOW WE'RE MOVING IT, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH DISPATCH, ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS, UH, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT A HIGH LEVEL. OBVIOUSLY NOT A FOUR HOUR PAGE TURN. UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI DID BRING THAT UP AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS STUFF AND, AND, AND HOW, AND HOW THIS IS KIND OF THE HISTORY AND HOW IT'S COMING ABOUT. SO, AND JOHN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, UM, SUGGESTION. CAN YOU, AND, AND WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE JENNIFER PULL UP FOR US. 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE THAT, THE THREE OF US WITH A FORMER, WITH A FORMER, UM, COURT, WE DID HAVE THAT KIND OF A MM-HMM . DISCUSSION, DIALOGUE. AND I WANNA SAY IT WAS SOMETIME IN THE LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THE DATE. YEAH. AND, AND THIS ONE I, I THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE PRICING AND THE CONTRACTING AND THE PHASING MM-HMM . WHICH WAS NEVER PART OF IT. SO, SO THAT THE WHOLE COURT CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR AND THIS IS HOW WE EXPECT THE PROJECT TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLICATED PROJECT. MM-HMM . BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE EVIDENCE, THEN WE'RE HAVING TO REDO, THEN PUT STUFF BACK, AND THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE DISPATCH AND THEN PUT DISPATCH BACK. SO, AND, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE, I DON'T EVEN THINK YET A FULL COMPREHENSION OF THAT PHASING JUST YET TO EVEN FULLY DISCUSS IT. WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON IT. THEY'RE MAKING SOME FINAL TWEAKS TO IT. AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE EVEN A, A SECOND PASS ONCE [00:45:01] WE GET THEIR, THEIR FIRST ONE ON. UH, I THINK THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH IS WHEN THEY SAID, YEAH. AND SO IT'S GONNA BE AT LEAST THREE PHASES. YEAH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND, AND THE FUNDING. 'CAUSE WE, THAT WAS A BIG, THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION WE HAD. YEP. AND SO, 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FROM ARPA MM-HMM . AND, AND THEN THERE WAS OTHER WAYS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO FUND THIS. SO YES, I THINK THIS, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, GOOD TIME TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. YES. AND IT WOULD BE BEFORE THE GMP VOTE WAS MY POINT. SO ONCE WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THE GMP, WE WOULD TRY TO CALL A WORKSHOP AND DISCUSS IT SO WHEN WE GET TO COURT, WE'RE NOT SPENDING, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS ON THE ONE TOPIC TO GET US UP TO SPEED ON, ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE GMP. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE, WE HAVE. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [7. Discuss/Act on approving Proposed Change Orders No. 20 to agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction for the Rockwall County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - Auditor)] THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS. NUMBER 20 TO AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH, SO I'M GONNA HAVE NICO PULL THAT CHART BACK UP THAT YOU SKIPPED OVER. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NO, NO, NO. IT, IT'LL COME UP JUST ONE SECOND. IT'S NOT ON MY SCREEN YET. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU, UH, COURT IS WHERE WE ARE IF WE APPROVE EVERYTHING THE NEXT THREE ITEMS. IS THAT CORRECT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT REAL FAST? THE, YES, THE PROJECTED REMAINING, UH, SHOWS IF, IF ALL THE PCOS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TODAY ARE APPROVED, WHERE WE'LL BE AT IN TERMS OF CONTINGENCY AND ALL THAT, AND WE'LL TAKE 'EM ONE AT A TIME. I JUST, BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THESE NEXT THREE ITEMS, I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE AND WHERE WE ARE AND, AND WHERE THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO BE. UM, BECAUSE, UM, PCO 20 IS SPENDING 36.5, $36,500, UM, IS OUR, UH, ESTIMATION TO DO THE REMODEL. UM, I'M ABOUT TO PUT, UH, A POWERPOINT UP AND TO DISCUSS PCO 20, BUT THAT'S INCLUDING WHERE THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY WOULD BE, WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY TO BE, AND THEN WHAT ALLOWANCES WE EXPECT THE ALLOWANCES EXPECTED AS AN ASTERISK BECAUSE THAT, THAT ISN'T MATERIALIZED. THAT'S AN EXPECTATION. SO I KIND OF WANT YOU GUYS TO FOCUS ON THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY AND THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY. UM, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE LEFT. AND SO A REAL QUICK, YOU SEE THESE 18, 19, 21, 20, UM, THAT'S THE WORK OF NICO. HE, HE FOUND THAT WE WERE CHARGING SOME OF THESE CHANGE ORDERS TO AN ALLOWANCE THAT WE HAD ALREADY ABSORBED. SO WE ARE GETTING RID OF THE ALLOWANCE POOL AND GOING STRAIGHT TO CONTINGENT CHIEF CONTINGENCIES FROM HERE ON OUT. SO THAT IS ALMOST ALL BUDGET REALLOCATION TO GET US TO THE CONTINGENCY AMOUNTS THAT YOU SEE HERE. SO THAT, I KNOW THAT'S THE GEN ITEM WE'RE NOT ON, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF PCOS ALL AT ONCE IS BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS SOME MISS WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S REALLOCATING THE BUDGET. THE, THE NEXT TWO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS SPENDING MONEY. SO THAT'S WHY. SO I'M GONNA GO RIGHT INTO 20, SO I'M GONNA PUT MY POWERPOINT UP. SORRY GUYS. LET'S SEE. OKAY, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE PCO 20. SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL ANNEX DESIGN, UM, OF THIS SPACE, WHICH HAS, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE NORTH SIDE. ON THE TOP IS WHERE THE GIS DEPARTMENT WAS. AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH WAS, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN SECTION. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD. AND THEN YOU HAD A COMPLETELY OPEN STORAGE SPACE, UM, OVER TO THE SIDE, UH, ONE 30, ROOM 1 34, UM, WAS COMPLETELY OPEN. SO ONE OF THE PLAN DESIGNS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU HAS AN INTERNAL LOBBY. UM, NOW WHAT WHAT THAT'S DOING IS IT'S COMBINING THESE DEPARTMENTS INTO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. UM, IT IS REDESIGNING THE WHOLE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND GIVING A STORAGE COMPONENT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT WILL GIVE A DIFFERENT ACCESS POINT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND THIS DEPARTMENT TO STORE THEIR FILES SEPARATELY FROM WHERE WE EXPECT THE AUDITOR TO BE STORING FILES. AND THEY'LL BOTH REMAIN SECURE, UM, FROM EACH OTHER. THAT'S BUILDING A BIG OLD CAGE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT STORAGE ROOM. UM, YOU WOULD WALK IN TO ROOM ONE 30 AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LOBBY WINDOW, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE CIRCULATION. I JUST WANT TO COMPARE THAT TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH HAS NO LOBBY. YOU WOULD WALK UP TO A WINDOW, YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY WALK INTO THE SUITE. SO IF YOU WERE A DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE THAT NEEDED TO [00:50:01] INTERFACE WITH THIS DEPARTMENT, YOU WOULD BE IN THE HALLWAY AND YOU WOULD SAY, HEY, I'M HERE TO GIVE PLANS, OR I'M HERE TO MEET WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, OR I NEED TO TALK TO THE GIS DEPARTMENT. AND, AND IT WOULD BE MET AT THE WINDOW. THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERNAL SPACE, UM, FOR THE SUITE. UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE TWO DESIGNS, UM, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING. C COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? YEAH. UM, SORRY, I DON'T NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. I, I JUST WANTED TO, TO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO THESE TWO AT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PICTURE, IS THAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? NO, IT'S AN INTERNAL CORRIDOR. IT'S AN INTERNAL CORRIDOR. YEAH. I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT'S AN INTERNAL CORRIDOR. OKAY. SO THAT'S AN INTERNAL CORRIDOR. AND YOU SAY RIGHT NOW WE ENTER THERE AT WHERE THE NUMBER ONE 30 IS? YEAH. THEY WOULD WALK IN AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF WINDOW TO GREET THEM, RIGHT? YEP. IN, IN THERE. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE TRAFFIC IN THE HALLWAY. THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD WALK INTO THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND AS YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S LIKE 79 SQUARE FEET. YES. IT'S A SMALL LITTLE LOBBY AND THEN THE DOOR OPENS AND THEN IF, IF IT'S SOMEBODY IN THE RIGHT OFFICE, YOU SEND THEM BACK TO THE NEXT KINDA LOBBY THERE. YEAH, YEAH. EXACTLY. ALRIGHT, COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? UM, AND NOW YOU SAID THEY'LL BE STANDING IN THE HALLWAY CON, WHERE IS THAT AT? AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF DOWN WHERE THE LITTLE ARROW P CORRECT. YES. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE WINDOW WOULD BE TO INTERFACE WITH THE DEPARTMENT. GOT IT. AND THAT WHERE IT SAYS 1 33 OPEN OFFICE. WHAT? YES. WHAT'S THAT? SO THAT WHOLE SIDE WOULDN'T BE WALLED IN FOR, UH, SUPPORT STAFF AND EVENTUAL THE DEPARTMENT WOULD EVENTUALLY COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE FOLKS. IT'S KIND OF A GROWTH FOR CUBICLES. OKAY. SO, OR CUBICLE SPACE. SO RIGHT NOW THAT THOSE TWO DESKS OR THOSE TWO CHAIRS IN THAT BUILT-IN DESK PROBABLY AREN'T THERE? IS THAT CORRECT? IT, IT WOULD BE PART OF OUR FURNITURE BUY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING TO DECIDE HOW WE WANNA LAY THIS OUT. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO, UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE PAID FOR IT TO BE DESIGNED, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST DID ON THE THIRD FLOOR. . WE PAID TO GET IT REDESIGNED AND IT'S GONNA COST $36,500 ESTIMATED IF WE PICK ONE OF THESE TWO TO MOVE IT TO. AND THEN ONCE WE PICK THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, WE WOULD GET THE ACTUAL PRICE. IT'S, IT'S AN ESTIMATED PRICE, WHICH IS WHY THOSE CONTINGENCIES ARE IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. . SO COMMISSIONER STACEY, I'M ASSUMING AS FAR AS THE CONTINGENCIES AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT NICO HAD UP A FEW MINUTES AGO, THOSE OF YOU HAVE, YOU'VE SAT DOWN WITH THE AUDITOR AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SAT DOWN WITH THE AUDITOR ON, ON THE BUILDING CONTINGENCIES. YEAH. THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS BEING AUDITED BY AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR. SO WE, I THINK WE FEEL 100, WE FEEL VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE IN THOSE NUMBERS FOR THE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE REMAINING BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER. OKAY. WELL, AND NICO AND I MATCH NUMBERS, UH, MONTHLY. UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, MONITOR THE, HIS, UH, THE CONT CONTINGENCY NUMBERS. RIGHT. I JUST SHOW HIM WHAT, WHAT WE'VE PAID OUT OUT OF IT. OKAY. UH, CAN I CLARIFY THOUGH THAT, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER 20 IS NOT FOR THE 36,000? IT'S PURELY FOR THE, IT'S PURELY FOR THE DESIGN. WE'RE EXPECTING TO COST 36,500. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WAS WHEN WE PICKED ONE OF THESE DESIGNS, IT WOULD COME BACK TO COURT FOR THE ACTUAL PRICING OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO IT. AND THEN WE, AND THEN WE GET GOING WITH THE WORK. IT'S JUST NOT A DECISION THAT I CAN MAKE A ALONE. YEAH, YEAH. I UNDERSTAND. UM, AND THIS IS BEING DONE, AT LEAST IN PART AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL REORGANIZATION OF, UM, THE, THESE OFFICES YES. INTO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. YES. REORGANIZATION DEPARTMENT. SO DO WE NEED, OR SHOULD WE MAKE THIS DECISION NOW OR WAIT TILL WE MAKE THAT DECISION? WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY FRAME THE ENTIRE BUILDING EXCEPT THIS AREA. SO THE FRAMERS HAVE TO COME BACK OUT AND FRAME THIS AREA. AND, AND, AND NUMBER TWO, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE STUFF SO WE COULD POSTPONE THIS VOTE UNTIL LATER IN THE MEETING. I HAVE NO RESERVES OR ISSUES WITH THAT WHATSOEVER. UM, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE, UH, IN, IN, IN THIS IDEA OF HIRING THE ENGINEER, OF REORGANIZING THIS DEPARTMENT, OF MOVING SOMETHING FORWARD. AND THAT BASICALLY NOW IS THE TIME WE EITHER LOOK AT INCORPORATING THIS DEPARTMENT TOGETHER, OR WE LET THE SHIP SAIL, AND THEN IF WE DO EVENTUALLY HIRE AN ENGINEER OR POTENTIALLY HIRE A FIRE MARSHAL, WE WOULD JUST FIND OFFICES FOR THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY. THIS IS JUST A WAY OF FACILITATING WHAT WE'RE TRYING [00:55:01] TO ACCOMPLISH ON THAT FRONT. RIGHT. AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT. UM, TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I HOPE. YEAH. TO, UM, FIRST IS PART OF THAT REORGANIZATION, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, USING MOVING ROAD AND BRIDGE WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT. I THINK, UH, YES. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. THE REASON THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA IS BECAUSE OUR CULVERTS ARE, UH, HAVE TO BE THROUGH ROAD AND BRIDGE. SO WHEN SOMEONE DEVELOPS, SO THIS IS DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, SO WHEN SOMEONE DEVELOPS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY USUALLY HAVE TO GET A CULVERT, UH, RIGHT PERMIT. BUT SO IT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR, FOR, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. NOW OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER PROPERTY. SO WE WOULD ONLY BE NEEDING ONE RECEPTIONIST TYPE PERSON TO TAKE OVER, UM, WHAT THE ROAD AND BRIDGE W WOULD BRING AS FAR AS THE WORKLOAD TO THIS DEPARTMENT. BUT IS ROAD AND BRIDGE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS OR NOT? I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO, BUT AGAIN, CART BEFORE THE HORSE. WHICH ONE HAVE WE HAVE WE VOTED ON? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MY VISION THAT ROAD AND BRIDGE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES. OKAY. YOU'RE, AND, AND THAT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I, FROM WHAT I WAS READING, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS DRAWING. THEY'RE NOT IN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR OFFICE SPACE? YEAH, THE OFFICE. NO, NO. THEY, THAT THE, THE, THE PERSON AT THE FRONT IS ROAD AND BRIDGE? YES. THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ROAD AND BRIDGE. OKAY. OFFICE 1 31. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY, THEY'RE SITTING AT THE WINDOW DOING CULVERTS AND, AND DOING THE CUSTOMER INTERFACING. 'CAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT DOES NOW IN, IN THAT SORT OF SPACE. THEY JUST DO IT OUTTA THE WHITMORE BUILDING. OKAY. RIGHT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE FRONT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE KIND OF A GENERAL RECEPTIONIST FOR THIS WHOLE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT'S KIND OF IS AND IT, AND IT'S KIND OF BOTH . OKAY. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE CREWS ALL GO OUT OF OUR, GO OUT OF OUR OTHER PROPERTY, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HOUSE THEM. IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE ENGINEER AND THEN AN ASSISTANT WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE SIDE. AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO MORE ASSISTANCE CAPABILITIES, WHICH WOULD SUPPORT OUR GIS SERVICES AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. SO, AND THEN YOU WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY, IF THE COURT EVER GOT AROUND TO IT, WOULD HAVE AN OFFICE FOR A FIRE MARSHAL IN THERE AS WELL. BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE, NOTHING SAYS IT HAS TO BE A FIRE MARSHAL. SO I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANKS. THAT'S THAT THERE IS ROOM IN HERE FOR THAT ROAD AND BRIDGE. I COMPLETELY, THAT IT WAS IN MY THOUGHTS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TILL NOW THAT THAT'S GREAT THAT THAT WOULD BE THERE. THEN MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH I THINK NOW IS ABOUT MY SIX OR SEVEN. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE. YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS A LOT MORE THAN I EVER HAVE. WHAT, WHICH ONE DO YOU RECOMMEND? THE ONE WITHOUT THE LOBBY? THIS NUMBER TWO. UM, THAT THE, THE, THE REASON IS, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A TON OF PEOPLE LINING UP WITH BLUEPRINTS, WITH CULVERT REPAIRS. IT'S SO GIVING AS MUCH SPACE AS WE CAN FOR INTERNAL FLOW, I, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE BEST FOR THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THEY CAN MEET 'EM OUTSIDE. AND, AND IF YOU GO TO ALMOST EVERY CITY HALL, THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU MEET THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENTS, UM, IS YOU MEET 'EM AT A WINDOW IN, IN A VERY COMMON CORRIDOR. AND THIS ISN'T A LITTLE BITTY CORRIDOR. THIS IS A NICE BIG HALLWAY. THEY CAN WALK UP AND, AND THEN IF, LIKE YOU SAID, THEN YOU CAN LET THEM IN. AND THEN, UM, BEFORE WE EXPAND IT EVEN MORE, WE HAVE A LITTLE ROOM RIGHT BEHIND THE RECEPTIONIST THAT THEY CAN SIT AND WAIT IN. SO IF THEY'VE BEEN INVITED IN, YOU CAN SIT, THEY CAN THROW THEIR PLANS OUT OR THEY CAN GO BACK TO SOMEONE'S OFFICE. AND, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A FULL PRINT ROOM IN THERE FOR THE BIG PRINTERS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS TO, UM, SHARE A BIG CONOCO, WHICH ALL HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF MY PRINTER, UH, IDEAS, BUT IT HELPS CONSOLIDATE, UM, SOME OF THE PRINTERS AND SOME OF THE PRINTER LEASES WE HAVE AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M GONNA SIT DOWN AND THEN, UM, IF YOU COULD PUT BACK, I THINK, YEAH. OKAY. SO YOUR STUFF GETS PUT BACK UP THERE. SO, SO WHAT, UM, WHY I WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IS TECHNICALLY I HAVE APPROVED PCO 20, BUT THE COURT HAS NOT APPROVED PCO 20. AND THEN TO GET DIRECTION, UM, FROM THE COURT ON, ON WHAT Y'ALL WANNA SEE COMING BACK TO COURT FOR THIS SPACE. UM, AND THEN WE COULDN'T SPEND THE 36,500 TILL YOU APPROVED IT, WHICH, UH, SAL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT TOMORROW AS POSSIBLE. SO WE WOULD HOPEFULLY [01:00:01] HAVE IT BEFORE NEXT COURT. IS, IS THE TRUTH. IT, IT ACTUALLY PLANNED OUT AND, AND WITH A PRICE TAG FOR US TO VOTE ON IT AND THEN SPEND THE MONEY, AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS AN EXPECTATION OF THAT MONEY BEING SPENT. OKAY. YEP. WE, WE WILL NEED A MOTION. EACH ONE SEPARATE. YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST ON SEVEN NOW? YES. I, I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 20, UM, TO AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKERSON'S CONSTRUCTION, UM, FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT, UM, AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO, DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, YEAH, GO AHEAD. DO, DO WE NEED TO SAY WHICH OPTION? I MEAN, TH THIS COST EXERCISE IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE OPTION, BUT DO, DO WE ALSO WANT TO, UH, SAY WHICH OPTION? I, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY UP FOR US TO VOTE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TAKE A, A ROLL CALL OF ANY SORT ON WHAT DIRECTION. MAYBE THEY COULD, MAYBE AFTER THIS VOTE, THEY COULD GIVE ME DIRECTION TO COME FORWARD WITH PCO 20. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AT A SEPARATE MEETING. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE THE MOTION A AS PRESENTED AND THE SECOND AS PRESENTED. SO IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. COMMISSIONERS. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT [8. Discuss/Act on approving Proposed Change Orders No. 28 to agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction for the Rockwall County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - Auditor)] BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS. NUMBER 28 TO AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH F THAT I HAVE EXPERTLY PUT SHARPIE ON . WELL, WELCOME TO MY WORLD. . DO I HAVE IT? NO, I DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT. I WAS GONNA EXPLAIN IT. I TOOK IT FROM, I TOOK IT FROM CHRISTINA. SO SOMEONE HAS IT. WHAT'S THAT? SO WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO EXPLAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PHOTO ON THE, THE DOCUMENT OF THAT, BUT YE YES. SO THAT IS THE PICTURE WITH JUST THE LINE. YEAH. SO THAT'S AN ORIGINAL CONTROL JOINT FROM WHEN THE PAVEMENT WAS FIRST POURED. AND SO WHEN THEY WERE SAW CUTTING FOR THIS PROJECT FOR THE FIRE LANES, THEY CUT JUST SHORT OF THAT CONTROL JOINT. AND NOW AS WE'RE PREPARING TO GO BACK AND REPO, WE REALIZED THAT REALLY NEEDS TO GET AESTHETICALLY THE, THE BEST WAY TO, UH, RECONFIGURE THAT AREA IS TO CUT BACK ALL THE WAY TO THAT CONTROL JOINT SO THAT THERE'S NOT TWO, TWO LINES THERE ONCE IT'S, UH, FINALLY POURED. AND, UM, THAT'LL ALSO PREVENT ANY, ANY DAMAGE IN CHIPPING OF THAT AREA, UH, WITH TRAFFIC OVER TIME. AND THIS WILL BE $10,000 TO FIX THIS, UH, JOINT. BUT I DO THINK AFTER TALKING ABOUT IT AND LOOKING AT IT, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. 'CAUSE IF, IF IT BECOMES UNSTABLE OR JUST UNSIGHTLY FIXING, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT MORE THE SECOND TIME THAN IT WOULD BE THIS TIME TO JUST GET THE JOINT PUT BACK, RIGHT? YEAH. THE CONCRETE COULD FALL BETWEEN THE CURRENT LOCATION AND THE JOINT. SO IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. UM, QUESTION. YES, SIR. I, I PROBABLY WILL REVEAL MY IGNORANCE HERE, BUT THIS LOOKS, THIS IS STUFF WE POURED RIGHT IN THIS PART OF THIS JOB? NO, THIS IS EXISTING. THIS WAS EXISTING, YES. MM-HMM . AND SO WHAT THEY HAD DONE IS THE JOINT THAT CIRCLED IS THE ACTUAL CAULK JOINT THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN OUR GUYS, THEY CUT THE CURRENT EDGE, UH, FACING THE, AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS. OKAY. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO PAST THAT, YOU START GOING PAST THE, THE ISLANDS AND . SO THE CONCRETE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE, WE JUST PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CUT IT FURTHER. WE SHOULD HAVE CUT IT FURTHER UP RIGHT FURTHER IN. SO THE ADDITIONAL COST IS NOT CORRECTING A MISTAKE WE MADE IN CONSTRUCTION? NO, IT'S JUST MAKING A CLEANER JOINT. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TWO FEET OF, UH, CONCRETE THAT'S BASICALLY FLOATING THAT AS THE CARS USE IT, IT'LL EVENTUALLY CRACK, UH, CRACK OUT ALL THAT CONCRETE OVER TIME. OKAY. YEAH. THE WAY THEY CUT IT WAS HOW IT WAS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN DRAWINGS. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, PCO 28, UH, TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND GOT A [01:05:01] MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE? STILL WAITING ON COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE. THERE WE GO, . THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [9. Discuss/Act on approving Revised Proposed Change Orders No. 18,19, 21 through 27 to agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction for the Rockwall County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - Auditor)] THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING REVISED PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS 18, 19 21 THROUGH 27 TO AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, SO THIS IS THE ACCOUNTING. SO, UM, IF Y'ALL WANT TO BRIEFLY KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED FROM PC O2 TILL NOW, UM, THEN, UM, IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR LITTLE CHART BACK UP. OH, IS IT NOT UP? I THINK IT'LL, NO, IT WILL BE IN JUST A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. SO WE JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD END UP FINANCIALLY, BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED FROM PC O2, UM, TILL NOW AND WHY ALL THIS WAS NECESSARY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THESE, THIS IS, AS WE SAID, JUST AN ACCOUNTING ERROR REALLY. UM, THERE WAS AN OWNER CHANGE ORDER NUMBER TWO THAT DIDN'T GET INCORPORATED INTO THE CONTRACTOR'S ACCOUNTING WHEN HE WAS DOING HIS PAY APPS. AND THAT WAS FOR THE BUDGET SAVINGS. AND SO WHEN THAT CHANGE ORDER PROCESSED, THAT BUDGET SAVINGS ACTUALLY LEFT THEIR CONTRACT AMOUNT. UM, AND SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN HIS PAY APP, HE WAS CHARGING THE PCOS THAT WERE COMING UP AGAINST THAT BUDGET SAVINGS. THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T THERE TECHNICALLY. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE NOTICED WHEN WE WERE DOING, GETTING READY FOR OUR AUDIT YEAH. THAT THEY HAD NOT INCLUDED, TOLD THE PUBLIC CAN BARELY HEAR. OH, OKAY. JUST WHAT WE HAD NOTICED IS THAT WE WERE SHOWING BUYOUT SAVINGS IN THE AMOUNT OF TWO, I THINK 200 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND. WELL, WE HAD ALREADY ALLOCATED THOSE TO THESE PCOS, AND SO HE HAD TO BACK THEM OUT AND REALLOCATED 'EM ACROSS THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY AND THE CONTRACTOR'S CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY GAVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE COUNTY IN PC O2. SO THEY DOUBLE COUNTED IT. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACCOUNTING, WHICH IS, SO IF YOU LOOK AT CURRENT REMAINING MM-HMM . THAT MIDDLE COLUMN, THAT'S WHERE IT SITS. WELL, I GUESS WE TECHNICALLY JUST DID 28. YEAH. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE IT SET BEFORE THE MEETING BEGAN, UM, OF GETTING EVERYTHING RIGHT AND SORTED CORRECTLY. UM, AND THIS, THIS IS WHY WE AUDIT, RIGHT? LISA . YEP. SO ESSENTIALLY THEY GAVE US THE MONEY BACK AND SPENT IT ON CHANGE. YES. RIGHT? YES. . AND, AND, AND WE CAUGHT IT. AND SO AND SO HERE WE ARE. YEAH. SO NOW THOSE PCOS ARE BEING REALLOCATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION ON OUR CONTINGENCY AMOUNTS. OKAY. SO LIKE, I KNOW WE APPROVED, FOR EXAMPLE, CHANGE ORDER 18 BEFORE. YES. SO ON ALL THESE CHANGE ORDERS THAT WE'RE RE-APP APPROVING THAT HAVE BEEN REVISED, THE AMOUNTS CAN, ARE ALL THE AMOUNTS THE SAME? THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. WE JUST TAKING FROM DIFFERENT POCKETS OF MONEY. WE'RE JUST TAKING FROM, INSTEAD OF BUYOUT SAVINGS, IT'LL EITHER GO OWNER'S CONTINGENCY OR CONTRACTOR'S CONTINGENCY. AND I'VE GOT, UM, A SUMMARY, I BELIEVE I HAD SENT NICO, UM, THAT WE HAD, Y'ALL HAD ALREADY APPROVED A PCO, UH, 18. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA FUND THAT FROM CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY. INSTEAD OF BUYOUT SAVINGS 19, WE'RE GONNA FUND OUT A CONTRACTOR'S CONTINGENCY INSTEAD OF BUYOUT SAVINGS. UH, PCO 21 IS RELOCATING A LIFT STATION FOR $8,000. UM, WE'RE GONNA FUND THAT OUT OWNER'S CONTINGENCY, UM, DOOR HARDWARE AND SECURITY REVISIONS FOR $7,831. THAT'S PCO 22. WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT UNDER OWNER'S CONTINGENCY. INSTEAD OF BUYOUT SAVINGS PCO 23, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, UM, WE HAD SOME, A STAINLESS STEEL DRIP EDGE, UH, THAT WILL BE FUNDED OUT OF CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY. NOW 33,000, UH, I'M SORRY, 33,000, NO, $3,325. THAT'S PCO 23 PCO 24, UH, IS, UH, GONNA BE REVISED FOR TO CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY INSTEAD OF BUYOUT SAVINGS. THAT'S THE CABLE TRAY RELOCATION. PCO 25 IS JUST A REVISION OF PCO O 12, AND THAT'S GONNA BE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY FOR $4,000 PCO 26. UH, WE'RE GONNA REVISE THAT TO CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY AND SET A BUYOUT SAVINGS FOR A 19,000. THAT'S A LIGHT FIXTURE CHANGE BECAUSE THE LIGHT FIXTURES WERE TOO TALL. AND, UM, THEN WE HAD THE COLOR CONCRETE IN FRONT OF THE CO COURTHOUSE THAT'LL COME OUT OF, UH, OWNER'S CONTINGENCY. SO, UM, SO ALL OF THESE AMOUNTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST, WE'RE JUST [01:10:01] CHANGING THE, THE FUNDING BUCKET FROM BUYOUT SAVINGS TO OWNERS CONTINGENCY OR CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY AS I LOOK AT THE BUDGET ON, ON THIS PAPER, IS, IS THIS BUDGET, ARE THESE NUMBERS INCLUSIVE OF THE, THE, UH, CHANGE ORDERS RB AND MOVED OVER? YES. SO THE, THESE, AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE WE JUST APPROVED, THAT THESE ARE THE ACCURATE NUMBERS CORRECT. THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE IN GOOD STILL GOOD SHAPE ON THE PROJECT. WE STILL HAVE PROJECTED SAVINGS RIGHT NOW, AND IF WE'RE, UM, UH, THRIFTY WITH OUR CHANGES GOING FORWARD, WE'LL HAVE MONEY TO GET BACK AT THE END OF THE JOB OR BUILD A BIG, BEAUTIFUL SECURITY FENCE. YES. RECORDING OR NOT, OR NOT . . BUT, BUT YES. AND SO, SO THIS IS JUST GETTING THE ACCOUNTING CORRECTLY. AND SO THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS ON THIS OWNER'S ALLOWANCE, THE PROJECTED BE 300,000. ONCE THAT IS MATERIALIZED, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE MOVED INTO CONTINGENCY AS WELL. CORRECT? WE ARE NOT KEEPING THE FUNDS GOING THE WAY WE WERE. WE, WE DON'T WANNA WALK INTO THIS PROBLEM AT THE END OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO WHEN THOSE SAVINGS HAPPEN, WE WILL REALLOCATE THEM IN EITHER THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY, THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY, OR WE'LL JUST REDUCE THE GMP AND TAKE THE MONEY. MM-HMM . WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE, THE RUNNING TOTALS ANYMORE. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO WE DID SOME CORRECTIVE ACTION. SO THIS, THIS REQUIRES ACTION. I'M, I'M GUESSING YES. LOOKING AT EVERYBODY. ANYBODY? YEP. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION, UM, THAT WE APPROVE. UM, PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS NUMBER 18, 19 21 THROUGH 27 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL SECOND IT. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [10. Discuss/Act on authorize Final Offer to be presented to real property owner Boyd for purchase of Crenshaw Road right-of-way, transfer of bridge ownership, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] IT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 10, DISCUSS AN ACT ON AUTHORIZED FINAL OFFER TO BE PRESENTED TO REAL PROPERTY OWNER BOYD FOR PURCHASE OF CRENSHAW ROAD. RIGHT AWAY, TRANSFER A BRIDGE OWNERSHIP AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, WE DID NOT GET ALL OF OUR PAPERWORK TOGETHER IN TIME, SO I WOULD PREFER US TO SKIP THIS AGENDA AND JUST MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. AND THIS, WE WILL BE BACK FOR Y'ALL AS SOON, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT. IF NOBODY HAS ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, [11. Discuss/Act on approving a multi-year Interlocal Agreement with the City of Rockwall on behalf of Friends of Downtown for use of the Historic Courthouse parking areas and sidewalks for Rockwall Farmers Market, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)] WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A MULTI-YEAR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ON BEHALF OF FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN FOR THE USE OF THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE PARKING AREAS AND SIDEWALKS FOR ROCKWALL FARMERS' MARKET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GUANA. SO THIS, UH, TYPICALLY THEY HAVE A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COURT EVERY TIME. THIS IS JUST, UH, EXTENDING IT TO FIVE YEARS, BASICALLY. SO IT'S A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH FOUR EXTENSIONS THAT CAN BE EXECUTED. ANY PARTY CAN GET OUT WITHIN, UH, WITH NOTICE ON IT STILL. THIS IS JUST, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME AT THE COURT ALL THE TIME FOR THIS. MAN. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, COMMISSIONER, THAT, UM, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU STEP INTO A RULES OF A GAME AND YOU PLAY IT JUST HOW THE PREVIOUS TEAM HAD BEEN PLAYING IT. AND THEN YOU LOOK UP AND ASK, WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND NO ONE REALLY HAS AN ANSWER. SO WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I LIKE IT TOO. UM, REAL QUICK QUESTION, IF ON ONE OF THE DATES THAT, LET'S JUST USE JULY 4TH, IF THAT'S ON A SATURDAY, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO THAT WE COULD MODIFY IF WE NEEDED TO, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO ARE THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN? THAT'S THE GROUP THAT DOES THE FARMER'S MARKETS. OKAY. IS IT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WHAT I FIGURED. IS IT A FORMAL LEGAL ENTITY? I'M NOT SURE CRAIG. I, I, I, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THE ANSWER IS YES. YEAH. THAT, THAT THEY ARE, UH, A, A LEGAL ENTITY THAT WAS FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SO, SO, AND I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN EITHER, WHICH IS WHY WE DRAFTED THE INTERLOCAL THE WAY WE DID. I SORT OF INCLUDED THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ALONG WITH FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN, UH, AS, AS, AS SORT OF OPERATING AS, AS THE SAME ENTITY IN TERMS OF WHAT DUTIES THEY'LL PERFORM. RIGHT. WELL, AND THE REASON I ASK, UH, CRAIG, IS WE ARE ACTUALLY GRANTING RIGHTS TO THIS ORGANIZATION TO USE, WHICH I LOOK NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THIS. SURE, SURE. BUT IF IT'S A REAL ENTITY, THEN I WOULD THINK THEY SHOULD BE PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH THEY'RE NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE WE'RE GRANTING 'EM RIGHTS. RIGHT. SECTION 1.1 SAYS, WE AGREE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS, AND SECONDLY, IF IT'S A REAL ENTITY, I WOULD THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE CERTIFICATE INSURANCE, [01:15:01] ET CETERA. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT DISAGREE. THAT'S WHAT RAISES THE QUESTION. CITY OF ROCKWALL IS, WHICH IS FINE. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THIS, BUT IT'S JUST, IF WE'RE GRANTING SOMEBODY RIGHTS, SHOULDN'T WE BE PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT? SO IT, IT TAKES, IT TAKES THE AGREEMENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIRECTION, RIGHT? IF, IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL AND THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, IT'S IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT MM-HMM . RIGHT? SUCH AS WE, WE HAVE HERE. YEAH. IF, IF WE ADD A PRIVATE THIRD PARTY, ARE THEY A 5 0 1 PARTY? I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT I, SO WHAT I DID, AGAIN, I JUST HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND WHATEVER CITY, WHATEVER AGREEMENT THE CITY HAS WITH THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN TO PUT THIS ON EACH YEAR. GREAT. I ALLOWED THAT TO JUST BE SORT OF THEIR CONCERN. WE COULD REDRAFT UNDERSTOOD. WE, WE COULD REDRAFT AN AGREEMENT. I DO THAT APPROACH. TOTALLY. I GUESS MY QUESTION COMES DOWN TO 1.1 WHERE IT SAYS, WE HEREBY AGREE TO ALLOW THEM AS FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN TO UTILIZE THE GROUNDS. MM-HMM . IT WOULD SEEM TO ME WE'RE ALLOWING THE CITY TO DO IT. AND IF THEY WANNA ALLOW FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN, WE, WE, WE COULD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OR I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY COULD HAVE WRITTEN IT THAT WAY. ALL ALLS I REALLY DID. YEAH. WAS I TOOK THE, THE ONE PAGE LETTER MEMO THAT WE SIGN EACH YEAR SAYING, HEY, CAN WE USE THIS? AND THE COUNTY ALWAYS SAYS, SURE, WE CAN USE THIS. AND I JUST TRIED TO MAKE IT INTO A, A, AN INTERLOCAL WITH THE CITY THAT MEMORIALIZED THE, THE RATHER INFORMAL LETTER THAT WE DO, BECAUSE THE FRIEND, THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN, THEY COME FORWARD EVERY SINGLE YEAR, AND THAT'S WHO WE MAKE THE AGREEMENT WITH. THEY COME INTO COURT, WE MAKE THE AGREEMENT, WE TELL 'EM THEY CAN DO IT, THEY ASK FOR ELECTRICITY. AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR'S KIND OF THE SAME THING. SURE. AND, AND, AND WE DIDN'T GO BEHIND IT AND RENEGOTIATE THE AMOUNT FOR ELECTRICITY. WE DIDN'T RENEGOTIATE WHO'S GONNA MOVE TRASH. IT DON'T, LEMME ME SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER ALANA. WE WERE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS RATHER THAN MAKE IT A BIGGER ISSUE THAN IT NEEDED TO BE EACH YEAR. BUT WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY REVISIT IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET IS A, A NOT, UH, THEY'RE PARTNERS OF THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND THEY ARE A, THEY ARE A NONPROFIT. I DON'T KNOW IF 5 0 1, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, BUT THEY DO RECOGNIZE THEMSELVES AS A NONPROFIT AND THEY'RE PART OF THE MAIN STREET, UM, AREA OF THE CITY, UH, CITY OF ROCKWALL. THEY, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, THEY WOULD COME IN, COME IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE, UM, COUNCIL AND GIVE US UPDATES. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO, ACTUALLY, IT IS THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, I THINK IS REALLY WHO, WHO THIS INTERLOCAL IS WITH BECAUSE IT, THEY HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE MAIN STREET, UM, ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN THEY HAVE ALL OF THE, UM, DIFFERENT DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATIONS. ALL OF THOSE ARE NONPROFITS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH AND I GUESS SUPPORTED BY THE CITY OF ROCKWALL IS THE WAY I RECALL IT FOR MY DAYS ON. SO COULD, COULD WE LOOK AT THIS AS WE MADE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, BUT WE'RE EXCLUDING, IT'S NOW NOT UP TO THEM OF WHO THEY CAN BRING IN AND, AND ALLOW TO USE OUR GROUNDS. WE SAY WE'RE HAVING THIS AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THE, THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET. RIGHT. SO DO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CORRECTLY IS THAT WE NOW HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT THE ONLY PERSON OR ENTITY WE'RE GONNA ALLOW TO OPERATE THAT FARMER'S MARKET IS FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN. RIGHT. YOU COULD INFER THAT FROM THIS AGREEMENT. YES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I, I'M, I'M WAITING FOR LAUREN . WELL, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FOLLOW UP. TWO THINGS. I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, ONE, I'D LIKE THEM SOMEHOW TO PROVIDE US A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE IF THEY'RE A NONPROFIT. EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. AND IT'S JUST SMART. UH, UH, I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR FUNDING STRUCTURE IS. I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO THE CITY. WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING IN OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT? I, I DON'T THINK OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT, IT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR MANY YEARS. WHAT DO? RIGHT. SO WE HAVE INSURANCE ON THE COUNTY GROUNDS. UM, I I I THINK THAT THE CITY IN THIS AGREEMENT HAS, THERE'S AN INDEMNIFICATION THAT THEY AGREED TO INDEMNIFY, UH, THE COUNTY. AND I DUNNO WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN DOING. I UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF. WELL, YOU SHOULD THOUGH. MAYBE I SHOULD NO, THEY ARE, AND THEY ARE A 5 0 1 C3. OKAY. THEY ARE, WELL, THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN ROCKWALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAD TWO QUESTIONS OR DID I, HE ALWAYS SAYS HE HAS TWO QUESTIONS. ? NO, I HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS. . OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD, I I PERSONALLY THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF THIS ONE OR OTHERS, WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT OF HOW WE, HOW, HOWEVER, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE POSSE GROUP COME MM-HMM . AND WHEN THEY DO THE POSSE ROUNDUP AND SO FORTH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF OF COURSE THAT'S PART OF THE SO WHAT DO THEY DO? ADJUNCT? WELL, IT'S AN ADJUNCT OF THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I PRESUME. BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE A 5 0 1 CI THINK ALSO. AND THEY PROVIDE US A CERTIFICATE. SO THEY [01:20:01] PROVIDE THEIR OWN CERTIFICATE. THE, YEAH. SHERIFF'S POLICY DOES. YEAH. THINK WE SHOULD, IF THIS WERE TO PASS TODAY, COULD YOU ASK THEM FOR A COMMISSIONER GALANA? COULD YOU ASK THEM FOR A WE COULD PASS IT WITH THAT CONTINGENCY. CONTINGENCY. YEAH. THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE I'M ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFICULT HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME. NO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE. IT'S JUST WHAT, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THEIR AGREEMENT. NOW ALL ALL WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS IMPROVE THINGS. EXTEND THIS AGREEMENT. YOU ASKED ME WHY, WHY DON'T I LEAVE IT ALONE? BECAUSE I LIKE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. OKAY. . WELL, YOU CAN MAKE IT BETTER. WE'LL, WE'LL DO IT WITH A CONTINGENCY. GREAT. ARE YOU PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. LICHTY? YEAH, I AM. I WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A MULTI-YEAR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ON BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN FOR THE USE OF THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE PARKING AREAS AND SIDEWALKS FOR THE ROCKWALL FARMERS MARKET, SUBJECT TO THE FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN PROVIDING A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE, WHICH SHOWS THE COUNTY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED OR CERTIFICATE HOLDER, HOWEVER THEY STATE IT. I WILL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER NEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. AND IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 12. YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK. LET'S, IT, IT IS 10 22. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AT ABOUT 10 32. THERE YOU GO, BRIAN. YEAH, I'M, I'M, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. IT'S 10 35. WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING. WE ARE ON [12. Discuss/Act on the Civic Plus Re-Design and presentation of the County Website, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik - IT Director)] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE CIVIC PLUS REDESIGN AND PRESENTATION OF THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER M**K. THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, BRIAN CRENSHAW IS GONNA MAKE HIS WAY UP HERE JUST AS A PRECURSOR. IT'S BEEN A NOT QUITE A WHOLE YEAR, BUT, UM, BUT BRIAN KAMI, MYSELF AND OUR PIO JIM BARTO, WE STARTED WORKING ON, UM, SOME REVISIONS AND UPDATING TO THE, TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE COUNTY, UM, THROUGH, UM, CIVIC PLUS, WHICH IS PART OF OUR CONTRACT. AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER BECAUSE I THINK BRIAN HAS A GREAT PRESENTATION FOR US. ALRIGHT. YEAH. WE STARTED IN, UH, JUNE OF LAST YEAR. WE'RE, UH, WE WORK WITH A COMPANY CALLED CIVIC PLUS TO HOST OUR WEBSITE, AND THEY DO OUR CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON OUR WEBSITE. AND WE, PART OF OUR CONTRACT IS EVERY FOUR YEARS WE GET TO DO A, GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THEM CALLED A REDESIGN. UM, AND WHAT THAT, UH, BASICALLY MEANS, THE WEBSITE, THE CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS. THERE'S THE PART THAT WE CAN EASILY CHANGE, AND THERE'S THE PART THAT WE NEED CIVIC PLUS'S HELP TO CHANGE. AND, UH, I'VE GOT A SLIDE LATER THAT'LL EXPLAIN THAT VISUALLY. BUT, UM, CAMIE, UH, JIM BARTOW AND COMMISSIONER MCL AND I HAVE ALL BEEN WORKING. AND, UH, THIS IS KIND OF, I WANTED TO START OFF WITH THE, THE, UM, PAST WEBSITES JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, VIEW OF THAT. SO THIS WAS OUR FIRST ONE, AND WE HAD ONE BEFORE THIS, BUT IT WAS SIMILAR WHERE WE USED TO HOST IT OURSELVES, AND WE MADE THE EDITS IN FRONT PAGE. UH, AND THEN IN 2009, THIS IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY WENT WITH CIVIC PLUS, AND THIS WAS OUR FIRST WEBSITE THAT, UH, ALLOWED THE, THE USERS TO CHANGE THEIR OWN PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, IN 2015, WE WENT TO, THIS IS THE SITE, THE BACKEND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ON NOW. SO THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THIS HAS BEEN, OF COURSE IT'S GONE THROUGH VERSION UPGRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT MORE OR LESS OUR WEBSITE HAS BEEN RUNNING ON THIS CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SINCE 2015. THEN IN 2020, UH, WE DID OUR CURRENT WEBSITE, AND THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS AT LAUNCH. AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE, WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES SINCE THEN. UH, WE KIND OF HAD TO REACT TO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY. THE, UM, THE, WE HAD NEEDED TO ADD THIS PASSPORT BUTTON. WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS A NEED. SO THERE WERE JUST SIX BUTTONS AND WE HAD TO KIND OF CRAM THAT ONE IN THERE AND IT STILL LOOKS OKAY. UM, THEN WE NEEDED A PLACE TO PUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE ADDED THIS LITTLE PLACE [01:25:01] DOWN HERE TO DO THAT. UH, ANYTIME WE HAVE AN ELECTION, WE HAVE TURNED OFF THIS EMPLOYMENT BUTTON AND TURNED IT INTO AN ELECTIONS BUTTON. AND THIS OPEN GOVERNMENT, WE, WE NOTICED THAT, OR THAT THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE NOT VERY DESCRIPTIVE, AND IT KIND OF BECAME A CATCHALL OVER THE YEARS OF THINGS THAT'S GOT THAT HAVE GOTTEN PUT INTO THAT. AND, UH, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF UNUSED SPACE UP HERE AT THE TOP. WE WANTED, WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THIS ONE, WE WANTED TO KIND OF FORCE PEOPLE OR ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE SEARCH. AND THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THERE. AND THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S NO PLACE ON THIS HOMEPAGE FOR NEWS. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEWS. WE BARELY EVER POSTED ANY NEWS ITEMS. AND YEAH, SINCE THEN, UH, WE'VE GOT THESE OTHER FORCES THAT ARE HAPPENING. WE'VE GOT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE JIM BARTOW, OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS MORE FLEXIBLE. 'CAUSE YOU SAW ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE WERE HAVING TO SWAP THINGS IN AND OUT AND MOVE THINGS AND ADD STUFF THAT PROBABLY WASN'T THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT. UM, SO THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN HAS GIVEN US OUR COLORS. WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO AVOID USING THE RECTANGULAR LOGO THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR SO LONG. WE ARE GONNA GET A, WE'VE GOT A NEW SLOGAN AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HIGHLIGHT THE STRATEGIC PLAN SOMEPLACE ON THE NEW SITE. AND 'CAUSE OF OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT NEWS ITEMS MUCH MORE PROMINENTLY ON THE HOMEPAGE. AND WE NEED, WE'RE GONNA USE SOCIAL MEDIA MORE. I MISSPELLED MEDIA, SORRY. UH, UH, UH, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A PLACE FOR THAT. SO WITH ALL, AND THEN FOR FLEXIBILITY, UH, WE JUST WANTED MORE BUTTONS, BASICALLY MORE OPTIONS, MORE PLACES TO PUT THINGS. SO THIS IS THE SITE, DA DA, UM, AND WE'VE GOT A PLACE FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN HERE. WE'VE GOT THIS OPEN GOVERNMENT BUTTON THAT WAS OVER THERE ON THE LEFT, BECAME THESE THREE BUTTONS. UH, THAT'LL ALSO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY IF SOMETHING COMES UP, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO COMBINE TWO OF THESE BUTTONS TOGETHER AGAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE HAD SOME NEED. WE JUST DON'T FORESEE, LET'S SEE, WE MOVED THE SEARCH BAR THAT WAS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE TO UP HERE IN THE CORNER, AND WE ADDED, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS HERE. AND THIS SECTION HERE CAN ACTUALLY, IT'S GONNA BE A SLIDESHOW AND WE'LL HAVE SOME STOCK THINGS LIKE THIS, UH, PICTURE OF THE COURTHOUSE, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE A, A SLIDESHOW WITH DIFFERENT NEWS ITEMS. SO THAT'LL GIVE US A PLACE TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, ACTIVITIES AND THINGS. AND THEN WE USED, THIS WAS THE STRATEGIC PLAN LOGO THAT WE GOT ALL THE COLORS FROM, AND IT WAS KIND OF OUR VISUAL INSPIRATION FOR THE SITE. BUT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE ON THE LOGO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AS OF LAST WEEK. SO HE HASN'T RECEIVED IT YET, BUT IT, IT'LL STILL HAVE THE LOGO ON THERE, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE. YEAH. UH, OKAY. AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN FROM THIS, THE NEXT SECTION IS ALL THE NEWS THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW. AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN FURTHER, WE DID HAVE A KIND OF A HOW CAN WE HELP SECTION THAT REALLY WAS NOT VERY WELL UTILIZED ON THE, ON OUR CURRENT SITE. SO INSTEAD WE'VE CREATED THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT CUTOUT THAT HAS, UH, THE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS. SO HOPEFULLY A CITIZEN WOULD BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND GO, OH, I THINK I LIVE ABOUT RIGHT THERE. AND THEN GET AHOLD OF JOHN STACY IMMEDIATELY. UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS A CURRENT, WHAT I WOULD CALL INTERNAL PAGE. AND UH, I WANTED TO USE THIS ONE TO, UH, DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONTENT AND THE DESIGN. SO WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THE DESIGN IN THIS, AND IF, UH, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ALL OF THIS IN ORANGE, IT'S KIND OF THE TEXT THERE, THAT'S THE CONTENT. SO NONE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS GONNA AFFECT ANY OF THIS. UH, IT'S ONLY THE NON ORANGE, ALL OF THE PICTURES AND LOGOS AND THINGS THAT, THAT ARE GONNA CHANGE. SO HERE'S WHAT AN INTERNAL PAGE WILL LOOK LIKE. IT'S THE EXACT SAME DATA. UM, AND IT'S JUST THE COLORS AND THE, ALL OF THE THINGS AROUND IT. YEAH, THAT LOOKS A LOT CLEANER AND A LOT MORE WELCOMING. THE, THE, THE [01:30:01] PREVIOUS ONE, THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH AND GOOD. I, I, I LIKE THIS. UM, THE SITE, OUR CURRENT SITE'S LIKE THIS TOO, BUT JUST TO POINT IT OUT, IT'S, WE HAVE A, WHAT'S CALLED A, AN ADAPTIVE DESIGN. SO WHATEVER DEVICE YOU'RE ON, IT'S GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY REFORMAT ITSELF. HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A PHONE. UH, THE HOMEPAGE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN THAT SAME DISTRICT CLERK PAGE ON THE RIGHT, IT'S, UH, ABOUT HALF OF OUR TRAFFIC NOW, SOMETIMES MORE THAN THAT COMES FROM MOBILE DEVICES. SO THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE PE MOST OR A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE THE SITE. UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE AND THEN THE DETAILS OF THE LAUNCH. BEFORE THE LAUNCH, I'M GONNA, I NEED TO GO THROUGH AND VERIFY A FEW THINGS ON THE WEBSITE. THERE'S A CHECKLIST THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL NOTIFICATION. THE END USERS OR OUR, UH, CONTENT PEOPLE HERE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO ANYTHING, BUT I'M GONNA ASK 'EM TO GO AHEAD AND VERIFY YOUR INFORMATION, UH, MAKE SURE IT LOOKS, LOOKS NICE. AND, UH, THEN ON LAUNCH DAY, WHICH RIGHT NOW WOULD BE MARCH 4TH AT 2:00 PM THERE'LL BE NO DOWNTIME. UH, I'LL PUT A NEWS ITEM ON THE SITE AND THERE IS A FAILBACK OPTION. I TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT THAT. THEY SAID THEY HAVE NEVER HAD TO DO IT, BUT IF SOME KIND OF DISASTER HAPPENED, THEY CAN FLIP IT AND MAKE IT JUST GO BACK OUT WAS SO, UH, LET'S SEE. AND THEN POST-LAUNCH, JIM BARTOW IS PLANNING ON GOING AROUND, UH, TO EACH DEPARTMENT AND WORKING ON THE CONTENT PART OF THE SITE. SO DESIGN IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE COLORS AND SUCH. AND HE'S GONNA GO AND, UH, MEET WITH EVERYONE AND MAKE SURE THEIR THINGS ARE UP TO DATE. WE DID DO THIS IN 2023. WE WORKED WITH A CONSULTANT, UH, FROM CIVIC PLUS TO DO A CONTENT REVIEW, BUT IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS NOW, SO IT'S TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN. UH, REALLY ALL, UH, I'M ASKING IS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS DESIGN, UM, AND THEN I WILL LOCK IN OUR DATE AND THE LAUNCH CAN HAPPEN THE DAY WE COME BACK FROM THAT THREE DAY WEEKEND. ANY QUESTIONS OR QUESTION? SO IS IT JUST TIMING THAT WE CAN'T DO THE CONTENT REVIEW BEFORE WE LAUNCH? UH, WE COULD, YEAH, WE COULD DO IT BEFORE WE LAUNCH IF WE WANTED TO. JUST, THAT'D BE PUSHING BACK THE LAUNCH. YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE PUSHING BACK. THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO, UH, REASON, THERE'S NO PRESSURE FROM CIVIC PLUS TO LAUNCH. OKAY. THAT, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME, UH, OF WHEN WE GO TO THE NEW THAT THAT, THAT IT'S DONE AND THE NEW CONTENT IS THERE. AND, UM, I I JUST WONDER IF IF, IF THERE COULD BE, IF THERE COULD BE A VISUALIZATION ISSUE, UM, AS FAR AS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO AND SAY, HEY, IS YOUR CONTENT UP TO DATE WITHOUT SEEING YEAH. SEEING THE FORMAT YOUR CASE DIFFERENTLY ARE, ARE, IS THAT GONNA BE A, A VALUE OR IS JIM GONNA GO AROUND EVERY DEPARTMENT AND THEN RELAUNCH IT AND THEN GO AROUND TO EVERY DEPARTMENT AGAIN? YEAH, VALID POINT. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO HARD TO, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW THEM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM TO REALLY EVALUATE. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT IT, IT SHOULD BE A CONSTANTLY EVOLVING THING, SO HAVING SOME KIND OF CUTOFF, THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NICE. BACK IN THE DAY, WE USED TO HAVE TO DO CONTENT LOCKS WHERE YOU WOULD SAY THE WEBSITE CAN'T CHANGE FOR THIS WHOLE MONTH AND THEN POURED IT ALL OVER AND STUFF. IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S SO MUCH MORE CONVENIENT THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA CLICK ON OUR HOMEPAGE AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY, OR THE NEXT MINUTE THEY CLICK AND IT'LL BE THE NEW ONE, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S KIND OF AN ADVANTAGE TO NOT HAVE TO DO THE CONTENT ALL AT ONCE. UH, ONCE LIKE THAT. BRIAN, I, THE ONLY QUESTION I, I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASKING IS I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE POST-LAUNCH, UM, CONTENT REVIEW THAT, THAT JIM IS GOING TO BE DOING, BUT IF, IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S LIKE, WHAT ABOUT 12, 15 DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT, THAT CONTROL A LOT OF VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE, OF THE, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE JUST PUSH THIS BACK BY, LET'S JUST SAY TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS, I DON'T KNOW. SURE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE DOABLE. AND AS THEY, THEY SAID, MAYBE WE SHOW THEM WHAT, WHAT THEIR PAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE SO THEY CAN KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP TOO. YEAH. WE, WE CAN EASILY DO THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA BRING IT BACK TO COURT OR Y'ALL WANT TO, DO Y'ALL WANT TO APPROVE THIS CONTINGENT TO THE CONTENT REVIEW BEING COMPLETE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NOW, I, AND I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT, WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY APPROVING THE FORMAT AND THE COLORS AND, AND, AND ALL OF THAT. SO, UH, I, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT AND THEN TURNING JIM BARTOW LOOSE ON THE DEPARTMENTS AND, UH, OKAY. SO LIKE YOU SAID, ANYTIME A DEPARTMENT WANTS TO CHANGE SOMETHING, ANYTIME A DEPARTMENT WANTS TO CHANGE SOMETHING, THEY [01:35:01] CAN DO THAT RIGHT ON THEIR OWN WITH WHOEVER THEIR DESIGNATED, UM, INDIVIDUAL IS IN THAT DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL BE HAPPY. A MOTION. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, UM, THAT WE APPROVE THE CIVIC PLUS REDESIGN, UM, AND THEN, UM, OF THE COUNTY WEBSITE, UM, AS PRESENTED BY BRIAN CRENSHAW TODAY AND WITH THE, UM, INFORMATION OF THE PRE-LAUNCH AND THE POST-LAUNCH AND THE LAUNCH DATE. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CRENSHAW. GREAT JOB, BRIAN. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [13. Discussion/Update of the 2025 Texas Conference of Urban Counties Education and Policy Conference- Programming Highlights, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] ITEM 13, DISCUSS DISCUSSION AND UPDATE OF THE 2025 TEXAS CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES EDUCATION AND POLICY CONFERENCE PROGRAMMING HIGHLIGHTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER M**K. OKAY. WE'RE, I'M JUST GOING TO PASS OUT SOME HI. SOME, UM, SOME, A HANDOUT OF THE, OF SOME OF THE POSITIONS AND THE POLICIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UM, AT THE MOST RECENT TEXAS CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES. THIS IS, THIS WAS A, UM, UH, THIS IS A GROUP THAT ROCKWELL COUNTY HAS BEEN A PART OF FOR SEVERAL YEARS. UM, AND I'M, I'M FORTUNATE TO BE A PART OF THIS, THIS GROUP. AND ONCE A YEAR, ESPECIALLY, UM, DURING LEGISLATIVE TIMES, THEY HAVE A VERY ROBUST CALENDAR AND AGENDA IN REGARDS TO EDUCATION AND POLICY CONFERENCE OF THE VARIOUS MEMBER COUNTIES THAT THEY HAVE. SO WHAT I'VE JUST HANDED OUT TO YOU GUYS IS, UM, SOME OF THE POLICIES AND POSITIONS THAT WE WERE SHARED WITH SOME THE DIFFERENT SPEAKERS, BUT MAINLY, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER REAL, REAL QUICK AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. BUT, UM, TOP ITEMS WERE HAVE TO DO WITH FROM, FROM THE MEMBER CITIES THAT ARE MEMBER COUNTIES THAT ARE IN HERE EARLY LEARNING, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT IN THERE IN REGARDS TO EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING FOR EARLY LEARNING. UM, JAIL, UM, OVERCROWDING, UM, WAS A, WAS A, WAS A LARGE, UM, PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF DATA THAT WAS SHARED TO US, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE STATE SHIFTING, UM, FUNDING FOR THE, THE STATE PRISON COST AND THE COUNTY PROPERTY TAXPAYERS MENTAL HEALTH WAS DISCUSSED, UM, PRETTY MUCH VERY DETAILED NEAR AND DEAR TO THIS COURT IS LAND USE AUTHORITY. UM, AND SO THERE WAS, UM, DEFINITELY THE, THE LACK OF, OF COUNTY AUTHORITY FOR HOW PROPERTIES DEVELOPED AND HOW IT CAN LEAVE OUR TAX, OUR TAXPAYERS VULNERABLE, UM, AND TO SUBSTANDARD OR INCO IN, UM, COMPATIBLE PROJECTS WAS DEFINITELY DISCUSSED. UM, SUPPORTING THAT WAS SUBDIVISION AND PLATING REGULATION, ROAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT, ALL THE THINGS THAT BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES, ALL THE TOPICS THAT, THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. WE WERE FRONT AND CENTER ALONG WITH PROBABLY ABOUT NINE OTHER COUNTIES THAT, UM, ARE BANDING TOGETHER. AND, AND I THINK WE KNOW THAT. UM, BUT WE WANTED IT, IT JUST KIND OF BOILED DOWN TO IT LIMITS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT IT LIMITS THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO ENSURE NEW DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR ITSELF AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SHIFTING COSTS TO EXISTING TAXPAYERS. UM, FROM SOME OF THE, FROM SOME OF THE, UM, UM, AS FAR AS THE SUB, AS FAR AS THE LAND USE AUTHORITY IS, YOU'LL ALSO FIND THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TAX RATE CAPS IN TEXAS. WE HAD, UM, DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS PRESENT TO US. UM, THERE, UM, THE IMPACTS THAT THAT CAN HAVE, AS WELL AS ANY KIND OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT MAY BE ON THE, UM, WITH THE LEGISLATORS THIS SESSION ELECTION, TEXAS ELECTION, YOU'LL SEE A, UM, A, A FORM ON THAT. UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DEFINITELY DISCUSSED. UM, AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AFTER THIS LEGISL, THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UM, AND WHAT SOME OF THE DRI DRIVING FORCES MAY BE FROM, UM, ELECTION COSTS RE REGARDING. AND WE TALKED ABOUT PING LOG LOCATIONS AND WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, ALSO IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE IMPACT ON OUR, OUR TEXAS ECONOMICS, OUR TEXAS ELECTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE COST, UM, INDIGENT HEALTHCARE. THERE'S A HANDOUT ON THAT THAT WERE, THERE WERE SOME, UM, VERY, UM, EYE-OPENING FACTS THAT I FOUND, UM, INTERESTED ABOUT THAT. UM, THAT THAT NUMBER, NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THESE ARE IMPACTING ROCKWELL COUNTY, BUT AS WE GROW, WE MAY BE FINDING SOME OF THESE, THESE NUMBERS. UM, AND, UM, AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TAXPAYERS. UM, I LEARNED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING FISCAL NOTES AND THE IMPORTANT DURING [01:40:01] LEGISLATE WHEN THE LEGISLATORS ARE MISS ARE, ARE MEETING AND THE, UM, THE LO THE, THE MAIN LOBBY OR LOBBYIST IF YOU WANNA THINK OF IT, BUT OUR, WITH THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES, WHEN THEY ARE FINDING SOMETHING THAT'S COMING OUT THAT COULD IMPACT COUNTIES, SPECIFICALLY URBAN COUNTIES, WHICH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THERE WILL BE A FISCAL NOTE THAT WILL BE SENT TO, UH, UH, TO ME. OKAY. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME TO, TO RESPOND TO IT. BUT THE, THE VERY INTERESTING THING IS, IS I WILL BE CALLING ON YOU GUYS WHEN THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET BACK WITH THEM REAL QUICKLY TO SAY, HOW IS THIS, IF THIS PASSES, WHAT WILL BE THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO ROCKWELL COUNTY AND TO OUR CITIZENS? SO IT WAS, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG PROCESS AND IT WAS ONE THAT, UM, I DIDN'T QUITE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE CAN HAVE A STRONG VOICE IN AUSTIN WHEN WE CAN HAVE OUR NUMBERS AND I CAN, AND WE CAN PRESENT OUR NUMBERS TO THE, UM, THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES. UM, AND I THINK I, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU GUYS A HANDOUT OF WHAT I, WHAT THE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE, THE STATE BUDGET, UM, WE DISCUSSED THAT. WE DISCUSSED WHILE WE WERE THERE, THE, THE APPOINTMENTS FOR THE HOUSE WERE, WERE MADE AND THEN WE ALREADY HAD THE NOTE. WE KNEW THE APPOINTMENTS AND THE POSITIONS FOR THE, IN THE SENATE. SO ALL OF THAT KIND OF THE, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE ICING ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE CUPCAKE, IF YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY DIDN'T STARTED LOOKING AT BILLS, AND I KNOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME BILLS LATER, BUT SPECIFIC BILLS AND SOME OF THE IMPACTS, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE THAT COULD HAVE TO, UM, OUR COUNTY. SO ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW I JUST HAND HANDED A LOT AND THREW UP A LOT ON YOU TOO, BUT I WAS, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS PROBABLY WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT THAT OUR COUNTY IS MAKING WITH THE URBAN COUNTIES. AND, UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT I CAN BRING BACK AND SHARE WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE, ON THE COURT, YEAH, THEY, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE ALIGNED WITH US AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO, UH, GET ACCOMPLISHED, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS FIRST PAGE MM-HMM . THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHT MM-HMM . THE, THE, THE TAX RATE OF THE MUDS AND RIGHT. AND THEY DID. YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEY JUST, I THINK THEY DO A DEEPER DIVE ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE DATA AND ON THE FACTS TO SUPPORT THINGS. AND I'M NOTHING AGAINST TAC OKAY. 'CAUSE I THINK TECH IS VERY GOOD, BUT I DO THINK FOR WHERE ROCKWALL COUNTY IS RIGHT NOW, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I ASKED FOR YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT ME, TO JOIN THEIR BOARD, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A BETTER FIT FOR, UM, ROCKWELL COUNTY AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE. WONDERFUL. OH, AND ONE MORE THING YOU'LL BE HAPPY, UM, THAT WE DID PASS THE PROPOSAL, UM, LEGISLATION THOUGH FOR, UM, FOR THE, FOR, FOR, FOR, WELL FOR TEXAS, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S FORT BIG COUNTY AS FAR AS THEIR, UM, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, BUT FOR THE REACTOR. SO I DO LIKE THAT. YEP. I, I, I DO LIKE THAT WE GOT A NUCLEAR ERA COMING IN IN TEXAS, SO COUNTY HAS BEEN, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON. NO ACTION NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. COMMISSIONER M**K, WE'LL MOVE ON TO [14. Discuss/Act on approving a Consulting Agreement with Gallagher Benefit Services, Inc. to continue providing employee benefit services, effective January 1, 2025, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - HR Director)] AGENDA ITEM 14, DISCUSSING ACT ON APPROVING A CONSULTING AGREEMENT WITH GALLAGHER BENEFITS SERVICES INCORPORATED TO CONTINUE PROVIDING EMPLOYEE BENEFIT SERVICES EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2025, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, SO I'LL START BY SAYING THE REASON THIS HAS TAKEN SO LONG IS BECAUSE OF CRAIG. NO, I'M KIDDING. BUT, BUT IT IS KIND OF TRUE. UM, WE, WE APPROVED THIS AGREEMENT AND THE BUDGET CYCLE OF LAST YEAR FOR, UH, JANUARY. SO THIS IS KIND OF AN APPROVED AGREEMENT. SO IT DOES START JANUARY 1ST. WE DIDN'T LIKE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT SOME REIMBURSEMENTS. UM, WE GOT ALL OF THAT CLEANED UP AND WE'RE READY TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY NEW ACTION IN THE SENSE THAT WE DID AGREE TO THIS DURING THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE GOING INTO THIS YEAR. IT JUST TOOK US A WHILE TO GET, UH, THE CONTRACT FINE TUNED BECAUSE, UH, BASICALLY THEY, UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS PAYING FOR A MICROSITE FOR US. AND ORIGINALLY THAT WAS KIND OF FUNNELING THROUGH THE AGENT AND WE DIDN'T LIKE THAT, CRAIG AND I DIDN'T LIKE THAT. UM, AND SO WE GOT THAT, UH, SORTED OUT. ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS? IS THAT, IS THAT SITE SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IN A, LIKE IN A, UM, NO, YOU KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT QUESTION. , , YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. OKAY. MAYBE EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T, BUT NO, IT, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT LANDING THING THAT OKAY. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT GETS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR, OUR WEBSITE. YEAH. NO, I DIDN'T MEAN OUR WEBSITE. I JUST MEANT AS A INTRANET JUST FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHERE THERE'S A PLACE FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS STARTING. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THERE, THERE'S IT'S PASSWORD PROTECTED FOR OUR REPORT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT IS THERE. I'M SORRY. SO IT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT, OKAY, THANKS. I JUST, AFTER THAT WEBSITE DISCUSSION, I WAS LIKE, [01:45:01] WEBSITE, WEBSITE. NO, NO, NOT THAT KIND OF WEBSITE, BUT YES. SO COMMISSIONER STACY, SO IN THE LAST BUDGET, THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED? YES. OKAY. SO THE TERMS AND EVERYTHING ARE SET. THIS WAS JUST WORKING OUT THE DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. IT JUST TOOK LONGER THAN WE EXPECTED. SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, SINCE I WASN'T HERE IN THE LAST BUDGET SESSION, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE BID OUT? UM, WE HAVE BID IT OUT. UH, WHEN, WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WAS BID THE WHOLE THING OUT. GOOD. UM, AND THAT TOOK, WHAT, THREE DAYS, FOUR DAYS OF INTERVIEWS. UM, WE HAD THE BENEFITS COMMITTEE SIT THROUGH AND, AND HAD A BUNCH OF AGENCIES COME THROUGH. UM, THE, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THAT PROCESS, WHAT WE DETERMINED WAS WE WERE NOT UTILIZING OUR AGENT WELL ENOUGH, WHICH IS SOMETHING I KIND OF PICKED UP ON WITHIN LIKE MY FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE OF LIKE, YOUR AGENT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT OUR AGENT'S DOING. SO, UM, IT'S 'CAUSE I AM AN INSURANCE AGENT. AND, AND SO WE KIND OF TOOK THE APPROACH OF LET'S TRY BE BECAUSE THE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE CHEAPEST IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. SO THE IDEA WAS LET'S TRY TO BETTER UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT OUR AGENT HAS FOR US, WHICH WE, I THINK WE'VE DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB. I THINK CAMIE WOULD AGREE. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT WE DID. AND I THINK DAVID PEAK SAID IT BEST IN THAT MEETING, THAT THE ONE THING I LEARNED IS WE'RE NOT ASKING OUR AGENT TO DO ENOUGH. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE LEARNED THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS. AND THEY'RE LIKE, SO CAN WE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT YOU'RE NOT ANYWAYS, TO, TO, TO ANSWER THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE DISCOVERED. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S HELPED US, UM, GET MORE VALUE FOR OUR MONEY. UM, BUT, UH, GOVERNMENT WORK AND INSURANCE, UH, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU, I WOULDN'T TAKE THIS ACCOUNT , THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. THEY DON'T PAY ENOUGH MONEY. SO, UM, BUT NO, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A REALLY GOOD DEAL. UM, AND GALLAGHER IS PROBABLY, AT LEAST AROUND HERE, THEY'RE THE BIGGEST AND BEST WITH RESOURCES AGENCY NAME. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE REASON I'M LOYAL TO THEM NECESSARILY FOR OUR ACCOUNT, BUT I'M SAYING THEY ARE A, A VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY INSURANCE AGENCY. GOOD. WELL, I, I JUST, THAT'S ALL SOUNDS GREAT, AND THANKS FOR TAKING THE LEADERSHIP TO GET THAT DONE. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CRAIG. UM, DID YOU, THIS IS, YOU SAID YOU WORKED WITH HIM, RIGHT? YY YEAH. ON THIS CONTRACT. JUST A, A NOTE, UM, IN THE INDEMNIFICATION, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A MINUTE AGO. WE'VE GOT THE COUNTY INDEMNIFYING, EACH PARTY INDEMNIFIES. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. WELL, THEY'RE INDEMNIFYING FOR THEIR OWN ACTS, RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN LIABILITY WERE TO ARISE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S BASED UPON SOMETHING THAT A COUNTY OR THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE OR A COUNTY'S AGENT HAS DONE, THE COUNTY'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY WE LEFT THAT IN THERE. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. BACK OF DOCUMENTATION. THE AGREEMENT DID NOT HAVE THE DATE ON IT, SO OH YEAH. THE, THE, THE DATE NEEDS TO BE JANUARY 1ST, BUT I, BUT I WILL MAKE THAT IN MY MOTION. UM, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSULTING AGREEMENT WITH GALLAGHER BENEFIT SERVICES, UM, TO INCLUDE PROVIDING EMPLOYEE BENEFIT SERVICES EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2025. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA [15. Discuss/Act on approving an amendment to the Bylaws of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board to provide that the County Judge or a Commissioner designated by the Court shall act as an ex-officio member of the Advisory Board, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty -Library Director)] ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAWS OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD TO PROVIDE THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE OR COMMISSIONER DESIGNATED BY THE COURT SHALL ACT AS AN NEXT OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY BOARD AND ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER LTI. GREAT. UM, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITY. YES, SIR. AND I WAS GLAD TO BE ASSIGNED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING A LIAISON WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD. I LOVE BOOKS. UM, AND, BUT THIS, THE, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY MARCINE, OUR LIBRARIAN, SECTION FOUR OF ARTICLE THREE OF THAT HAD A STATEMENT THAT ONLY THE JUDGE COULD ACT AS THE MEMBER OF THE BOARD. AND SO THE AMENDMENT, THERE WAS AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAWS THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD TO ALLOW THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE OR A COMMISSIONER DESIGNATED BY THE COURT SHALL ACT AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER TO THE BOARD, UM, IN EITHER CASE WITHOUT THE POWER TO VOTE. [01:50:01] AND THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, ON FEBRUARY 4TH. SO THIS IS JUST UNDER THE BYLAWS. THEY CAN ONLY BE AMENDED BY THE BOARD'S APPROVAL AND APPROVAL OF THIS COURT. SO THIS IS BRINGING THAT IN UNDER A, TO TECHNICALLY PUT US IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BYLAWS. I LIKE IT. I LIKE IT. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING MARCINE OR, GOT IT. YOU SUMMARIZED IT VERY, VERY NICELY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAWS OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD THAT IT WILL PROVIDE THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE OR A COMMISSIONER DESIGNATED BY THE COURT SHALL ACT AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY BOARD. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K. I WILL SECOND THAT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MARCINE. THAT [16. Discuss/Act on approving the Guardian RFID System Agreement Addendum B Amendment to the current master agreement for additional handheld devices and software licenses, and all related issues; (Judge New - Sheriff)] BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE GUARDIAN RFID SYSTEM AGREEMENT. ADDENDUM B AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT MASTER AGREEMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL HANDHELD DEVICES AND SOFTWARE LICENSES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. SHERIFF GARRETT. THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, THESE, THIS IS FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL HANDHELD DEVICES THAT WE USE TO TRACK INMATES, UM, IN THE DIFFERENT PART OF THE FACILITY OR IF THEY'RE GOING OUT FOR MEDICAL. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, AS PART OF THE GUARDIAN RFID SYSTEM THAT WE PURCHASED, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. AND SO THIS IS JUST FOR ADDITIONAL ITEMS AND THAT, UH, MONEY'S COMING OUTTA THE COMMISSARY ACCOUNT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF GARRETT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WHERE WAS THE MONEY COMING FROM? . ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE GUARDIAN RFID SYSTEM AGREEMENT ADDENDUM B. I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT [17. Discuss/Act on approving the sale of the County Sheriff K-9 (Blaze) to the Terrell Police Department for $3,000 pursuant to Local Government Code 263.152(a)(1), and all related issues; (Judge New -Sheriff)] BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE SALE OF THE COUNTY SHERIFF CANINE BLAZE TO THE TARRELL POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR $3,000 PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6, 3 0.15, TWO A ONE PARENTHETICALS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. SHERIFF GARRETT, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS FOR, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT CANINE HANDLER. UH, TRAVIS WILLIAMS CURRENTLY, UH, WENT BACK TO TERRELL PD WHERE HE STARTED, AND, UH, HE WAS A CANINE HANDLER THERE. HE IS A CANINE HANDLER WITH US FOR, UM, SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO THE, THE CURRENT DOGGY HAD, HAD BEEN THROUGH, HE WOULD'VE BEEN THE THIRD TECHNICAL HANDLER ON THAT. AND SO, UH, TERRELL PD HAD CONTACTED US, UH, AND THERE IS A LIFESPAN ON THOSE DOGS AS FAR AS THE WORKING, UH, TIME ON IT. AND, UH, WE'VE HAD THE DOG FOR GOING ON FIVE YEARS NOW, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AND SOME MONTHS. AND SO, UH, THEY ASK IF THEY COULD PURCHASE THAT FOR A, A REDUCED AMOUNT FROM WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR A NEW DOG. AND SO SINCE HE WOULD STAY WITH HIS CURRENT HANDLER, UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF? WELL, DO WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT FOR BLAZE? NOT CURRENTLY. NO. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A PROCESS IN GOING THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, HANDLER SELECTION, UH, AND, UH, AND A CANINE. SO WE, WE POSSIBLY WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE. UH, YOU SAID THEY HAVE A LIFE OF TERM OF USEFUL FOR WORKING USE. DESCRIBE WORKING. WORKING, USE. HOW, HOW LONG IS THAT? THERE'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT NORMALLY FOR MALISE AND SHEPHERDS LIKE THAT, OR THE LARGER BREEDS, UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS. EIGHT, EIGHT TO NINE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SALE OF CANINE, UH, COUNTY SHERIFF CANINE BLAZE, THE TAROT POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR $3,000 PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. CODE 2 6 3 1 5 2 A ONE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA [18. Discuss/Act on approving an updated agreement with the National Institute for Jail Operations for the County Jail for access to Legal Based Jail Guidelines for Texas, and all related issues; (Judge New-Auditor)] ITEM 18, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN UPDATED AGREEMENT WITH AN NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR JAIL OPERATIONS FOR THE COUNTY JAIL FOR ACCESS TO LEGAL BASED JAIL GUIDANCE FOR TEXAS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT SHERIFF? SURE. THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS JUST FOR, LIKE I SAYS, THE UPDATED AGREEMENT AND, UH, WILL [01:55:01] GIVE US A CURRENT, UH, UPDATED LAWS AS THEY COME OUT AND HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE ANY POLICIES THAT WE HAVE. AND I BELIEVE THIS IS COMING OUTTA THE SCAP MONEY, AND THE REASON IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, SINCE IT'S AN UPDATED AGREEMENT, WAS THAT THERE, THERE ARE, UH, UPDATED TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN IT THAT NEEDED TO GO THROUGH LEGAL AND GET Y'ALL'S APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, JUST ONLY BECAUSE I JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO FISCAL POLICIES WITH, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL OF BOURBON COUNTIES. DOES ANY OF THE CHANGES, WILL THEY HAVE ANY IMPACT ON OUR FY 25 BUDGET? UM, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF THE, IF THE STATE MAKES ANY CHANGES AND MAKES SOME UNFUNDED MANDATES IS RIGHT, IS COMMON, BUT, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR POLICIES AND HOW THE INTERNAL OPERATIONS ARE, ARE GOING. OKAY, THANKS. YEAH, AND I'M GONNA GO OUT ON A LIMB AND, AND, UH, TAKE THE OVER AND SAY OUR STATE WILL HAVE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO END UP BEING UNFUNDED MANDATES. UM, YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY SAFE BET. UH, I, I THINK, UH, SO ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION HERE. IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED TO MAKE ONE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN UPDATED AG UPDATED AGREEMENT WITH THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR JAIL OPERATION OPERATIONS FOR A COUNTY JAIL FOR ACCESS TO LEGAL BASED JAIL GUIDELINES FOR TEXAS. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. I COULD GET IT OUT. I'LL SECOND IT. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, JUDGE. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. WE'RE GONNA SKIP 19 AND COME BACK TO THAT AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO IT'S GONNA LEAD [20. Discussion 89th Legislative Session Update/Overview County-related bills, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] US TO AGENDA ITEM 20, DISCUSSION OF 89TH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. THIS HAS COMMISSIONER MICK'S NAME ON IT, BUT, UH, THIS REALLY IS ALL OF US. ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S TOO BIG OF A, TOO BIG OF A CHORE FOR ONE OF US. SO, UM, KIND OF IN, IN NO CERTAIN ORDER THERE, THERE'S A LOT OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LOT COMING. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF POTENTIAL BILLS THAT ARE THERE THAT LOOK GOOD, BUT I, I'VE KIND OF LEARNED FROM MY ROOKIE SEASON OF BEING THE ROCKWELL COUNTY JUDGE AT LAST SESSION. I AM NOT GONNA GET HAPPY OR DISCOURAGED UNTIL THE GOVERNOR SIGNS SOMETHING OR DOESN'T SIGN SOMETHING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RUN THE FOOTBALL 99 YARDS AND LOOK LIKE A HERO, BUT THAT LAST YARD, IF YOU DON'T GET PAST THE GOAL LINE, UH, IT, IT HAS ALL JUST BEEN A SHOW. UM, YOU WANT ME TO GO? YEAH, YOU GO AHEAD. YEAH. FIRE, FIRE AWAY, COMMISSIONER GUANO. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF GIVE A, A LIST OF, OF BILLS THAT I SEE, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMEWHAT CONCERNING FOR, FOR US. UH, HB 3 25, UM, INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVE BRISCO KAIN. UM, THIS WOULD PLACE PARAMETERS ON HOW A COUNTY COULD, UH, SPEND MONEY BASED ON POPULATION GROWTH AND RATES OF INFLATION. SO IT, NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE HERE TO JUST SPEND MONEY AT A WHIM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY, LIKE THEY TELL US. PRETTY COMPLEX ALGORITHM. IT, IT VERY MUCH IS, AND IT JUST TAKES THAT CONTROL, UM, AWAY FROM US, WHICH OF COURSE IS NEVER GOOD. UM, HB 9 0 1 BY, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE HARRISON. THIS WILL LIMIT SALARIES PAID TO OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE STATE AND ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, UM, TO WHATEVER THE STATE TELLS US THOSE SALARIES WILL BE. SO AGAIN, JUST MORE TAKING, UM, TAKING THE BALL AWAY FROM US AND GIVING IT TO THEM. SPEAKING OF BALL, I ASSUME THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE FOOTBALL COACHES. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAID BY ALUMNI, SO THEY WOULD HAVE A SET PAY AND THEN THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION WOULD JUST FILL IN THE REST. YEAH. YEAH. HOW, HOW DEEP OF A RABBIT HOLE DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN? OH, MAN. GONNA LIKE THE, JUST ASKING A QUESTION. YEP. I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION. YEP. OKAY. HERE'S, UH, I'LL DO ONE LAST ONE AND I'LL LET, I'LL LET DANA HANDLE SOME OTHER ONES. BUT, UM, SENATE BILL 2 39, AND IT HAS ABOUT FIVE COMPANION BILLS IN THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, A BILL HAS LEGS. SO THAT'S, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE DANGEROUS AND IT HAS A, UH, SENATE COMMITTEE ALREADY. UM, THIS SAYS THAT A, UM, POLITICAL SUBDIVISION WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS FOR LOBBYING, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY READ THE BILL, IT SAYS THAT [02:00:01] THOSE PEOPLE UP HERE, OR ANY, UM, ANY OFFICER OF THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL TO AUSTIN TO BE REIMBURSED. AND WE ALSO COULD NOT USE ANY ASSOCIATIONS TO LOBBY ON THINGS FOR BEHALF OF THE COUNTY. AND THAT TARGETS TAC AND CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. SO THIS ONE, IN MY OPINION, IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS BILLS OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEING PUSHED, IS TO END TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING, BUT REALLY WHAT IT'S DOING IS PREVENTING, UM, YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS FROM GOING TO AUSTIN AND HAVING A VOICE. SO IT'S, IT'S PUTTING AUSTIN IN A BUBBLE AND SAYING NOBODY ELSE CAN COME IN AND HAVE A SAY EXCEPT FOR THE LOBBYIST WHO CAN STILL GO, WHICH ARE ALL OF YOUR DEVELOPERS IN REAL ESTATE LOBBIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF. SO IT PREVENTS US, BUT DOESN'T PREVENT THEM. BOBBY, THERE'S SEVERAL BILLS LIKE THIS FLOATING AROUND, RIGHT? THERE ARE, THERE ARE THERE THIS SENATE BILL THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S ALSO HB 3 0 9, HB 5 71, HB 6 71, HB 1189, AND HB 1294. THEY'RE ALMOST IDENTICAL, UH, TO THE SENATE BILL. ONE OF THEM I READ, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE, BUT IT WAS THE OTHER DAY, EXCLUDES EXPENDITURES BY COUNTY OFFICIALS. YEP. THAT IS THE BILL BY SHAHEEN. SO IT IS SIMILAR BUT NOT IDENTICAL. YEAH. SO TO ME, THAT'S THE WHOLE BILL IS, I DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT TO ME THAT'S REALLY BAD. DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A CHANCE OR ANY IDEA WHAT'LL HAPPEN THERE? UH, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING OUT OF AUSTIN IS THAT, UM, THIS BILL ALONG WITH THE A DU BILL ARE VERY LIKELY TO PASS, UM, JUST, UH, BECAUSE OF WHO'S BEHIND THESE, THESE BILLS AND THEY HAVE, UH, SUPPORT IN BOTH BODIES. SO I, THIS IS GOING TO PASS IN SOME FORM WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE CAN HOPE FOR IS TO AMEND IT TO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH, WHICH WOULD BE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO STILL GO DOWN THERE YEAH. AND, UH, AND BE REIMBURSED FOR OUR REASONABLE EXPENSES FOR LOBBYING FOR ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS. UM, YEAH. BUT, BUT I'M HEARING THAT THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN. UH, THEIR GOAL, THEIR GOAL SEEMS TO BE TO KEEP US OUT OF THE MIX DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND TO, AND TO TAKE LOCAL CONTROL AWAY. I, I, I'M AN OPTIMIST BECAUSE I'M WILLING TO GO DOWN THERE ON MY OWN DIME. SO I'LL BECOME ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, COUNTY PEOPLE IN AUSTIN. I'LL BE THE ONLY PERSON DOWN THERE . BUT NO, I, I'LL WITH YOU. I, I AM NOT A, UH, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT IN IN FAVOR OF THIS. I, I UNDERSTAND THE PUSH FOR, FOR TAX PAYING LOBBYISTS. I UNDERSTAND IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. I UNDERSTAND THE GOP POSITION. UM, BUT THE POSITION IS TWISTED OR GEARED TOWARDS US GOING TO AUSTIN AND BEGGING FOR WAYS TO HARM OUR CITIZENS, AND NEVER SAYS, HOW DO YOU GO TO AUSTIN AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY'S SUCCESSFUL? HOW DO YOU GO TO AUSTIN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT LOCAL DECISION MAKING HAPPENS? HOW DO YOU GO TO AUSTIN AND PROTECT FROM BAD DECISIONS TRICKLING DOWN FROM THE CAPITOL TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES? IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TAX AND SPEND AND, AND, AND TO TRY TO HARM OUR CITIZENS. AND, AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I DON'T APPRECIATE ABOUT THE ARGUMENT. WE SHOULD HAVE AN HONEST ARGUMENT ABOUT WHAT IS THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN OUR ABILITY TO PETITION OUR GOVERNMENT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PETITION AND GRIEVE OUR GOVERNMENT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULD DO IT ON TAXPAYER DIME. UM, BUT I, I JUST FEEL LIKE, UM, I I I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT HAVING AN HONEST DISCUSSION ON TAXPAYER LOBBYING, UM, ABOUT WHAT ITS INTENT IS AND WHAT ITS INTENT IS NOT, AND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER ALANA, THIS IS GONNA PASS. UM, AND, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS HIGH ON, ON THE CHECK CHECKBOX OF THE SPEAKER AND, AND THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. THEY'RE GONNA GET THIS DONE. IT'S VERY HIGH. IT'S IN THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S PRIORITY, SO MM-HMM . UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING ON THAT PRIORITY LIST. UM, NOT PASS. UM, REALLY, ESPECIALLY OUT OF THAT BODY, THE SENATE. SO THIS IS, THIS WILL PASS. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES WE COULD BRACKET OUR WAY OUT OF IT? ZERO, ZERO BRACKETING WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE, INSTEAD OF MY ADVICE ON THIS, AND WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN AND SAYING, WE HATE THIS BILL, WE DON'T WANT THIS BILL AS WE HAVE GOT TO GET IT AMENDED. WE'VE GOT TO GET IT AMENDED TO WHERE WE, WE 'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PREVENT, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THIS WAS SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN MESQUITE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR PAYING, UH, LOBBYISTS TO GO DOWN FOR THINGS THAT WOULD, UM, BENEFIT THEM AS FAR AS THE LOBBY GROUP, BUT MESQUITE, THE CITY OF MESQUITE [02:05:01] WAS PAYING THEM. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL KIND OF STARTED AND THEN MORPHED INTO, OH, HOW CAN WE USE THIS TO, TO KEEP, UM, PEOPLE LIKE US AWAY? WELL, WE CAN HOPE FOR ON THIS BILL REALLY IS TO AMEND IT, AND WE NEED TO AMEND IT TO, TO EXCLUDE, UM, COMMISSIONER'S, COURT, CITIES OUT OF IT FOR BEING ABLE TO GO DOWN ON BEHALF OF TAXPAYERS. OKAY. CAN, CAN, CAN, UM, COMMISSIONER GUANA, CAN YOU WORK ON THAT AMENDMENT? 'CAUSE I, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS IT'S BEST IF YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE, HERE'S HOW WE WANT IT AMENDED. CORRECT. I WILL DO THAT. OKAY. UH, AND, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER STACY, UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO VOLTAIRE WHO SAYS, WE SEE THE WORLD NOT AS IT TRULY IS, BUT AS WE ARE SO OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, THAT THAT ASSUMES EVERY LOBBYING EFFORT IS AN ATTACK ON THE CITIZENS. AND AN INCREASE IN TAXES THAT'S AGAINST THEIR WILL IS, IS MORE PROJECTING HOW THEY ARE NOT, NOT HOW THE WORLD TRULY IS. YEAH. I'LL GIVE YOU A A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF HOW, UM, THEY'RE SPINNING THIS, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, NOT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN AUSTIN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS DOWN FOR A MEETING IN A, UH, CERTAIN PERSON'S OFFICE, UH, DURING ROCKWALL COUNTY DAYS, AND WHEN I WAS WALKING INTO THE OFFICE, FOUR OF THE BIGGEST DEVELOPERS IN TEXAS WERE WALKING OUTTA THE OFFICE. I JUST WANT TO PAINT THAT PICTURE FOR EVERYBODY, IS THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP. BUT I WAS ABLE TO GO IN AFTER THEM AND ARGUE FOR US. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP. MM-HMM . AND COMMISSIONER GUANA, I, I THOUGHT THAT SHAHEEN BILL, I THINK IS THE SAME ONE I READ, SEEMED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE. SO MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESS IT AS TO LATCH ONTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU. YEAH. WE'LL TRY TO GET THE OTHER ONES TO TAKE THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THEIRS IN CASE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT GET LEGS IN THE COMMITTEES. THAT, THAT A DU IS IMPORTANT. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WORKING WITH THE MAYORS TO, TO PRESENT A, UH, CON A UH, CONSOLIDATED FRONT. UH, BECAUSE WITH PREVIOUS, UH, LEGISLATURE, PREVIOUS SESSIONS, REMOVING CITY'S ABILITY TO ANNEX BY RIGHT. AND ACTUALLY GRANTING PEOPLE IN THE ETJ, THE ABILITY TO DE ANNEX, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY, HEY, THIS A DU IS JUST A CITY ISSUE, BUT IT WILL VERY QUICKLY BECOME A COUNTY ISSUE, UH, WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER. AGAIN, THE ONE WITH, WITH CONTROL. UH, AND, AND I THINK OUR BEST BET IS TO STAND WITH THE CITIES NOW AND FIGHT. AND, AND THAT ONE I CAN TELL YOU WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO BRACKET, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CAME UP WITH A NUMBER ABOUT 800,000 POPULATION IS, IS THE GOAL OF ANYBODY BELOW 800 IS BRACKETED OUT OF, OF THAT, IF THAT ONE'S NOT FAVORABLE, I MEAN, EVEN EVEN GOING TO 300,000, A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL PASS BRACKETS THROUGH IF YOU GET TO THAT LEVEL. UH, IF YOU GO TOO HIGH, THEY WON'T, THEY WILL NOT DO IT. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO JUST KNOW THAT 300,000 SOMETIMES IS A MAGIC NUMBER DOWN THERE FOR BRACKETING. OKAY. AND THIS IS REGARDING THE SENATE BILL 6 73, RIGHT? THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S NUMBER. THAT'S ALRIGHT. IT IS THE A DU BECAUSE THAT'S THE A DU, THAT'S THE ONE I WAS GONNA OKAY. ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FOR THOSE PLAYING ALONG AT HOME. UM, GO, GO AHEAD. WELL, I, I THINK MAINLY WE'RE, I FOUND A LOT OF THAT ARE IN REGARDS TO THE MUDS, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. OKAY. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY PAUL BETTENCOURT HAS, THERE'S SENATE BILL 1450. HE HAS SENATE BILL 1452. HE HAS SENATE BILL 1454. ALL OF THOSE ARE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION RELATED TO, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AS, AS FAR AS INSPECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. SO ANY OF THOSE, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SOME IMPACTS ON, ON US. UM, BUT I THINK ON, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES THAT, UM, THAT ARE REFERRING TO 'EM. KEITH BELL HAS, UM, HOUSE BAIL 4 47, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TO REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDY BY THE COUNTY, UM, BEFORE A MUD CAN EVEN ISSUE ANY TYPE OF ROAD BONDS. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME POSITIVES ON THAT ONE. UM, AND LET'S SEE, UM, I THINK SENATOR HALL, ALONG WITH SENATOR HUGHES HAS GOT A SENATE BILL ON, THEY'RE CO-AUTHORING IT 9 35, BUT, UM, THIS IS NOT ON MUDS, BUT THIS ONE IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPORTING EXEMPTING COUNTIES FROM THE STATE MOTOR FUELS TAX. AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE THAT, THAT ONE WILL COUNTY JUDGE. I THINK IT WILL TOO. THAT'S, THAT WE WILL PASS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. YES. UM, ANOTHER ONE FOR, FOR COUNTIES IS ONE, UM, HOUSE BILL 1461. IT'S REQUIRING THAT THE STATE REIMBURSE COUNTIES FOR MENTAL HEALTH, UM, JUVENILES AND PAROLE, PAROLE PAROLEE, I GUESS VIOLATORS. [02:10:01] SO AGAIN, THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT COULD BE A POSITIVE BACK FOR MONEY. WE MAY HAVE TO EXPAND THAT. THEY MAY BE RE YOU KNOW, REIMBURSING US ON. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. UM, ALSO ON THAT SAME LINE IS, UM, HOUSE BILL 2227, IT'S GONNA MANDATE THAT THE STATE TAKE CUSTODY NO LATER THAN 21 DAYS, UM, OF A DEFENDANT BEING DEEMED INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL. SO THAT'S GONNA HELP OUR JAILS HOPEFULLY A LITTLE BIT. SO I HAD THAT ONE. UM, AND I THINK WE, I, I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY WE'LL HAVE PROBABLY SEVEN, 8,000 BEFORE IT'S OVER WITH WHEN THE AVALANCHE STARTS. UH, IT, I'VE GOT 32 YEAH. RIGHT NOW THAT I'M FOLLOWING THAT OR SOME SORT OF MUD SPECIAL DISTRICT REFORM. RIGHT. AND JUST THAT WHEN THEY'RE ALL GONNA START ROLLING AND TUMBLING JUST ANY DAY NOW. AND THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF MY INTENTION BY PLACING THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM, IS THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF MAYBE THIS COURT, IF WE KIND OF CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOVE FIGURE THIS OUT TODAY, BUT WE DESIGNATE ONE OF US TO KIND OF FOLLOW CERTAIN, CERTAIN GOOD AND BAD. I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES OUT THERE, SO WE WANNA FOLLOW IT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SUPPORTING 'EM AND IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN. BUT THE ONES THAT ARE MAINLY GOING TO AFFECT, UM, OUR CITIZENS, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, THOSE ARE THE ONES I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO KIND OF, AND JUDGE, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER AREAS YOU KIND OF THINK MIGHT BE GOOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THE MUDS GOING AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING 'EM LIKEWISE. RIGHT. SO I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT AND, AND WANNA STAY FOCUSED. MM-HMM . LIKE COMMISSIONER GOANA SAID ON MM-HMM . UM, NOT REALLY FIGHTING, LOSING BATTLES, BUT IF, IF WE CAN MAKE THE LOSS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE MM-HMM . UH, TO, TO WORK ON THAT. SO, UM, DANIEL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY OR ARE YOU JUST LISTENING INTENTLY OVER THERE? INTENTLY. OH, OKAY. LISTENING INTENTLY. UM, AND I HEARD YOU SAY, UM, ROCKWELL COUNTY DAYS A WHILE AGO, AND IF, UM, MOST OF ALL OF US WERE THERE, WE HEARD THE TEXAS PUBLIC POLICY FOUNDATION GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THEM UNLOCKING WHAT THEY CALL AFFORDABILITY. UM, AND, AND SO IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE, I CAN FORWARD YOU GUYS THE, UM, THE POWERPOINT THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS REFERRING TO, OR THE ARTICLE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IN HIS PRESENTATION, BECAUSE IT IS, UM, IT'S INTERESTING, UM, THE, THE, THE PURVIEW, UM, THAT THEY HAVE AND KIND OF HOW THAT IS GOING, THAT THAT COULD HAVE IMPACT ON HER, OUR DENSITY. UH, IT, IT ABSOLUTELY COULD. SO COMMISSIONER STACY AND I, AND, AND, AND WE DID, EVERY ONE OF US WENT AND, AND I'M THANKFUL THAT WE DID, AND I THINK IT WAS PRODUCTIVE. MM-HMM . UH, WE HAD, UH, DRINKS WITH, UH, A LOBBYIST THAT MM-HMM . IS HIRED BY THE COUNCIL OF URBAN COUNTIES AND TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF INFORMATION. UH, ONE THING THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME, 'CAUSE WE HAD JUST COME FROM THE, UH, T PPP F MM-HMM . PRESENTATION, AND WE, WE'D TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT REGULATIONS AND PERMITS AND FEES BEING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, 40% OF THE COST OF A HOUSE IN THE CITY. ONE OF THE LOBBYISTS SAID, YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY CALCULATE THAT, THEY CALCULATE THE TOTAL COST OF PLUMBING AS, AS A BURDENSOME CITY REGULATION. THEY, THEY, THEY CALCULATE ELECTRIC. THE FACT THAT YOU REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE PLUMBING AND YOU HAVE ELECTRIC, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ROOF PITCH OR BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE ROOF, WELL NOW THE ENTIRE COST OF THE ROOF IS CALCULATED INTO THAT. SO IT IT, YEAH. IF YOU DO THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE DOORS THAT INGRESS EGRESS, NOW, NOW YOU CAN TAKE THE COST OF THE DOORS. AND I'M SURPRISED IT STOPPED AT 40%. I'M SURPRISED 80%. IT'S NOT REGULATION. SO IT, IT IS, IT IS, UH, A DISHONEST CONVERSATION. BACK TO COMMISSIONER STACEY'S POINT THAT WE CAN'T HAVE, UH, AND, AND COMMISSIONER LTI BROUGHT UP, I THOUGHT A, A A VALID POINT OF, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY RIGHTS. WELL, DO YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS IF YOU DON'T LIVE THERE? UH, JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION. IF IT'S JUST A BUSINESS MODEL, ARE, ARE YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS THE SAME AS THE PERSON THAT'S LIVED THERE FOR GENERATIONS? UM, AND, AND, AND THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHAT I CALL THE ILLUSION OF EXPERTISE. YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE, WHEN I, WHEN I SAY, HEY, THE PROBLEM TO THE, THE HOUSING CRISIS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE SOLVED WHEN ILLEGALS ARE DEPORTED, WHERE'S, WHAT DATA DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT? WELL, THE ANSWER IS, I DON'T HAVE DATA. I HAVE COMMON SENSE THAT IF SOMEBODY'S LIVING IN THIS HOUSE AND THAT PERSON'S REMOVED THE HOUSE IS STILL HERE AND WILL EITHER BE TAKEN OVER BY THE BANK OR ANOTHER RENTER AND IT, IT IS A HOUSE THAT WILL BE BACK ON THE MARKET. AND THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF THOSE. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. SO IT'S HIDING [02:15:01] BEHIND THE EXPERTISE OF POLICY PEOPLE WHO ARE THE ONLY ONES WHOSE OPINIONS ARE ALLOWED TO BE, TO BE, UH, USED OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT AND COMMON SENSE CAN'T ENTER INTO THAT CONVERSATION. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S DISHONEST. AND I WANNA POINT OUT ONE THING TOO. DON'T, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE TEXAS PUBLIC POLICY FOUNDATION, IT COMES ACROSS LIKE IT IS A NEUTRAL BODY. BUT DON'T BE FOOLED BY THAT. IT IS AN ARM OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. AND IT IS BEEN THAT WAY FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE COMING OUT OF TPPF IS REALLY, UM, PROPAGANDA ON BEHALF OF ONE SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. AND SO IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S VERY DISINGENUOUS. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY, THEY, THEY POISE THEMSELVES AS A THINK TANK. THEY DO. BUT IT IS, IT'S GOT THE PROPAGANDA BEHIND IT. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, UM, ABOUT LACK OF DATA AND ABOUT THE NONSENSE ABOUT REGULATORY COSTS. INTERESTING. ONE OF THESE PEOPLE SENT OUT A NEWSLETTER, ONE OF THESE AGENCIES THAT SAID, IN THEIRS IT WAS 25% OF THE COST OF A HOME IS DUE TO GOVERNMENT REG, LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGULATION. AND I EMAILED THE DIRECTOR AND ASKED HIM WHERE THEY GOT THAT INFORMATION. AND THE RESPONSE WAS, WELL, THAT WAS TESTIMONY FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TEXAS HOUSING GROUP BEFORE SOME COMMITTEE. SO HE'S, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. AND I, AND I REBOUNDED AND SAID, BUT WHERE'S THE, AS YOU PUT IT SO ELOQUENTLY, THE DATA, THERE'S NOTHING. IT'S JUST A GUY'S TESTIMONY WHO SAYS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND THAT IS A BATTLE WE'RE FIGHTING. UH, ONE QUESTION, UM, BOBBY, ON A SPECIFIC BILL, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BILL THAT'S BEEN FILED, BUT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR COUNTY. UM, AND YOU AND I SPOKE WITH IT WHEN WE WERE DOWN THERE, AND THAT'S THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT ALONG THE OUTER LOOP. UM, WE'VE, I KNOW I TALKED TO, I KNOW JUDGE, YOU SPOKE WITH KEITH BELL'S OFFICE, EXCUSE ME. AND I WENT AND MET WITH HIM AND BOBBY, I KNOW I GAVE YOU THE NAME OF THAT LADY AND YOU TALKED WITH SENATOR HALL'S OFFICE AND REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON'S AS I DID. CORRECT. AND SO I KNOW YOU'RE PUSHING THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. IS THERE, ARE WE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT? AND JUST SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW US AS A COUNTY TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF THE OUTER LOOP IF IT'S BUILT, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A ROLE OF APARTMENTS ALONG THAT. CORRECT. SO, SO I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR US. AND I KNOW WE'RE, I WANT TO PREFACE THAT WITH SAYING, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER SOLUTIONS BESIDES THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL. BUT IT'S GOOD TO PURSUE THIS, UM, TOO. THIS, THIS GRANTS US THE ABILITY TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A CERTAIN SECTION, UH, SURROUNDING WHEREVER THE OUTER LOOP MIGHT GO FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. SO IF THE OTHER COUNTIES WANT TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH THIS, WHERE IT'S GONNA IMPACT THEM, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR SENATOR, OUR REP ARE BOTH IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL. I THINK IT WILL BE. UM, UM, IN TALKING WITH, UM, SENATOR HALL'S, UH, SENIOR POLICY DIRECTOR, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAS LEGS THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH. UM, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF CROSS OUR T'S DOT OUR I'S ON THE REST OF THE OUTER LOOP FIRST. UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR SURE. AND EVEN, UM, THOSE PEOPLE AT, UM, UH, COG ARE IN FAVOR, UH, OF THIS. AND IN FACT, I HAVE A CALL WITH THEM TOMORROW. SO, UM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OPPOSITION, UM, TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WHATSOEVER YET. WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE RALLYING TO SUPPORT US FOR THAT IF WE NEED IT. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING SOME, UH, LEGISLATIVE REVIEW ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN FOR IT. AND, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT LANGUAGE, UH, LANGUAGE GENERAL AS GENERAL AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, LIKELIHOOD OF THE OUTER LOOP PATH MOVING. WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE. SURE. IF, IF I'M ENTITLED TO, OF COURSE. AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN OVERLAY DISTRICT TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR AN OVERLAY DISTRICTS TO BE DECISION MAKERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT FOR OR AGAINST ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. YEAH. WE'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME PARAMETERS AROUND DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, NOR YOU NORMALLY DO. WE WILL JUST HAVE A BIGGER SAY IN TIMING OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. AND THEN, UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CONTROL ANYTHING. NO. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HAVE A LOCAL COMMUNITY. IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT MAKE DECISIONS. IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT. THE LEGISLATURE'S [02:20:01] IN FAVOR OF THE WORD MANAGEMENT. SO, GOOD TO KNOW. I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CONTROL A THING. UM, I'M REALLY AGREE WITH YOU. UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, MANAGEMENT OR CONTROL OR WHAT, BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A VOTE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, I'M HAPPY. YEP. AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. IS, IS THERE ANY FURTHER? I I I, I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD. UM, WE, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE, THAT THE BASE BUDGET OF THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE, UM, JUST SHY OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, UM, FOR OUR SOIL CONSERVATION LAKES. THAT'S NOT OURS. THAT'S FOR THE STATE'S SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION LAKES. UM, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN MOVED AROUND. UM, IT IS THE AGREEMENT OF THE STATE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION BOARD THAT THAT'S AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN SPEND. SO IT'S, IT'S 96 MILLION. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SORRY. AS, SO IT'S 96 MILLION FOR, FOR THE BOARD. YEAH. SO THEY WENT BEFORE AND DETERMINED THAT'S THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN SPEND IN ANY GIVEN BIENNIUM JUST FOR STAFF BANDWIDTH SORT OF CONCEPTS. UM, THE STATE IS WILLING TO GIVE THEM MORE, UM, IF THEY CAN SPEND IT. SO, UM, I HAVE PROPOSED, AND I AM WORKING HARD, BUT IT WILL NOT BE THIS SESSION. SO IT'S, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING DOWN THE PIKE TO GIVE DESIGN, UM, GRANTS OUT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION GRANTS SO THAT THEY CAN LINE UP PROJECTS, GET THE EASEMENTS APPROVED, GET THE DESIGNS APPROVED, HAVE THEM ENGINEERED SO THEY CAN GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY, WE HAVE THESE 17 DAMS, OR WE HAVE THESE 25 DAMS THAT ARE READY TO GO AND THAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY. AND, UM, AND THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF IT. EVERYONE'S IN FAVOR OF IT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT NOT EVERYONE HAS A SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, DAMS IN THEIR DISTRICT. AND SO WE WERE KIND OF ADVISED SINCE WE GOT TO THE 96 MILLION, CAN WE JUST WAIT TILL NEXT SESSION SO THAT WE DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN START SENDING SHOCKWAVES THROUGH THE HOUSE CHAMBER OF, OF ISSUES WITH SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. SO THE IDEA IS WE WILL WORK TO GET A BILL DRAFTED, UM, AND EARLY FILED AND TRY TO GET THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR AND EVERYONE IN FAVOR OF IT, UM, AFTER THIS SESSION GOING INTO THE NEXT SESSION. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S JUST DONE. AND, AND IT'S OUTTA THE WAY 'CAUSE BECAUSE EVERY OTHER BRANCH OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT DOES IT THIS WAY. THIS IS NOT REDESIGNING THE WHEEL. THIS IS JUST MAKING THE WHEEL WORK IN, IN, IN, IN AN AREA. THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST IS THAT VERY FEW SENATORS HAVE DAMS AND SO THEY DON'T CARE, UM, ABOUT THIS. AND SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM CARE IS HARD. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY. AND AND SO IT BECOMES A BIG EDUCATIONAL EFFORT YEAH. UM, TO, TO KIND OF GET THEM ON BOARD WITH, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I'M TRYING REALLY HARD TO GET A LEGISLATED LEGISLATION DRAFTED THAT WOULD ALLOW GRANTS TO COUNTIES BEFORE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE JUST GET THE CONSTRUCTION GRANT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO GET THE EASEMENT CERTIFIED. RIGHT. WE HAVE TO GET, UM, IT DESIGNED. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT EASEMENTS WE NEED UNTIL THERE IS A DESIGN AND WE GET INTO ALL THESE THOUGHT CIRCLES. AND SO, SO I'M, I'M WORKING ON THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND THEN I JUST HAD ONE OTHER THING AFTER THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO PULLED OUT, BE PULLED OUT OF APPROPRIATIONS IF YOU GO THAT DIRECTION. CORRECT. BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR SOIL CONSERVATION LAKES, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, IS THAT IT'S THE EASIEST THING TO TARGET IT IS THEY TARGET IT RIGHT AWAY ALL THE TIME AND THEY JUST PULL THE MONEY RIGHT OUT OF IT. UM, AS USUAL. I AGREE WITH YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, AND I THINK THIS IS TO REFERENCE BACK TO AN EARLIER POINT WITH COMMISSIONER MACK MADE ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS WE'RE EXPANDING, UH, OR ONE OF OUR GOALS OR INITIATIVES, WHICHEVER IT FALLS INTO, IS AN EXPANSION OF THE ROAD CONSORTIUM TO BE MORE OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM. AND SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO LOOK AT THERE AND HAVE FOLKS LOOK ON THAT GROUP, LOOK AT THESE DAMS, BECAUSE WE ALL GOT A THING THE OTHER DAY FROM SOMEBODY, UM, UH, ED BITNER, UM, STEVE BED, STEVE BITNER, ED BEDNER WAS A LAWYER HE USED TO WORK WITH IN MARYLAND, STEVE BITNER, UM, SAYING ABOUT HOW THERE'S GONNA BE MONEY FOR THESE DAMS, WHICH YOU MENTIONED, AND ASKING US TO LOOK AT OUR HIGH HAZARD DAMS AND COME UP WITH THOSE PRIORITIES NOW SO THAT WHEN THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, WE CAN START GRANTING THEM. SO IF WE EXPAND THE ROAD CONSORTIUM INTO [02:25:01] AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO ASK THAT GROUP TO GET A, A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SAY, LET'S FOCUS ON THESE DAMS AND COME UP WITH THAT. SO WHEN THE MONEY'S THERE, WE CAN FILE A GRANT. AGREED. AGREED. AND THEN, UM, THE LAST THING IS I'M CURRENTLY MONITORING, UM, CAT 12 FUNDING. UM, THERE IS A, UH, A PUSH IN TXDOT, I WILL ATTEMPT TO SAY THIS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN WITHOUT DERAILING EVERYTHING. TXDOT HAS FUNDING BUCKETS. THEY'RE CALLED CATEGORIES. THEY, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE FULLY. UM, I'M NOT A TRANSPORTATION EXPERT. UM, CATEGORY FOUR IS WHERE ROCKWALL TYPICALLY GETS MOST OF OUR MONEY, WHICH IS STATE CONNECTIVITY. CATEGORY TWO IS WHERE COG GETS MOST OF THEIR MONEY. UM, CATEGORY ONE IS MAINTENANCE. THERE IS A BIG SHIFT TO TRY TO GET CATEGORY 12. NOW, WHAT IS CATEGORY 12 STRAIGHT FROM THE COMMISSION, WHICH SERVES AT THE GENERAL LEISURE OF THE GOVERNOR. SO, UM, BASICALLY IT WOULD BE TAKING AWAY FORMULARY FUNDING THAT TRICKLES DOWN INTO THE DISTRICTS AND CONSOLIDATE MONEY IN AUSTIN FOR AUSTIN TO DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS GET FUNDED AND WHAT PROJECTS DON'T GET FUNDED. SO, UM, I AM MONITORING THIS. THERE, THERE IS A BILL, UM, IN THE HOUSE THAT BASICALLY UNDOES, SO BASICALLY UNDOES ANY CAP ON CATEGORY 12, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP ALL OF THE MONEY IN AUSTIN IF THEY WANTED TO. UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A BILL IN THE SENATE THAT WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE INCREASE, BUT IT WON'T REMOVE THE CAP ENTIRELY. AND IT IS THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE COMMISSION DISCRETIONARY FUNDING. SO I AM WORKING AS HARD AS POSSIBLE IF THAT IS THE CASE, TO GET AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN TO ROCKWALL COUNTY IF THAT IS THE CASE. UM, FOR OUR TX ON SYSTEM ROADS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ON SYSTEM. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. SO WE HAVE THREE OF 'EM THAT ARE KIND OF READY TO GO. WE HAVE ANOTHER THREE THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING ENGINEERED. SO MY FOCUS IS ON THOSE SIX ROADS, UM, TRYING TO GET THEM ACTUALLY INTO THE PLANT AND FUNDED EITHER THROUGH CAT FOUR, CAT TWO OR CAT 12. AND SO THEY ACTUALLY GET INCLUDED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING AND NOT JUST US WAITING SO THAT WE CAN GO TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, YES, 5 52 IS SCHEDULED IN THE STATE FUNDING FROM CATEGORY 12, AND IT IS SET TO GO ON JULY OF SAID AND SAID DATE RATHER THAN WHY IS IT READY? AND NOTHING'S HAPPENING. SO, SO I'M WORKING ON TRYING TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS WITH, WITH THE STATE. I'VE HAD PRELIMINARY TALKS WITH A LOT OF FOLKS. I I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE WITH THAT. I THINK THERE'S LEGS WITH OUR SIX PROJECTS, UM, TO TRY TO GET THEM SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET ALL SIX, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE YOU START. UM, AND THEN WE GET A WHOLE NOTHER LINE OF THREE OR FOUR OF 'EM LINED UP AND GET BACK IN AUSTIN IN TWO YEARS AND TRY TO GET EVEN MORE PROJECTS. SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THAT. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BILL, BUT THAT IS FUNDING. UM, I'M, I'M REALLY REALLY MONITORING THE CAT 12 SITUATION BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF THE MO OF AUSTIN RIGHT NOW IS TO NOT ALLOW DISTRICTS AND LOCAL DECISION MAKERS TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO SPEND MONEY. SO IT WOULD BE FITTING OF, OF THEIR LOGIC AND, AND THEIR PARADIGM TO CONCENTRATE ALL THAT MONEY. UM, THERE'S A THOUGHT PROCESS. IT COULD BE UP TO A BILLION DOLLARS THAT USED TO GO OUT TO THE DISTRICTS THAT'S GONNA STAY IN AUSTIN. I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER WILL GET TO A BILLION, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ROADS YOU CAN BUILD FOR A BILLION DOLLARS. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST AT ODDS WITH, UH, THESE REGIONAL NPOS, WHICH OURS IS NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UM, AND THEIR ABILITY TO CONTROL STATE FUNDING. I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE LAWMAKERS IN AUSTIN. I'M NOT NAMING WHO THEY ARE, UM, THAT DON'T LIKE THAT AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT POWER CONCENTRATION MAINLY TO THE DALLAS METRO AND TO THE HOUSTON METRO. UM, AND THEN THE LACK OF AUSTIN METRO'S PARTICIPATION IN ANYTHING. SO THAT WOULD BE THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT WE KNOW, ONE OF THEM WELL THAT THE STATE DOESN'T LIKE HOW MUCH POWER HAS BEEN CONSOLIDATED INTO THOSE POSITIONS TO CONTROL STATE FUNDING. AND SO THERE IS A DESIRE TO TRY TO FIGHT BACK. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL MATERIALIZE, IT MIGHT NOT, BUT I'M WATCHING IT AS CLOSE AS I CAN AND THEN GOING AND BEGGING FOR AS MUCH SCRAPS AS THEY'RE WILLING TO THROW US ABOUT $333 MILLION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. STACY, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YEP. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS AS JUST AN ONGOING, UH, COMMISSIONER M**K AND I TALKED AND AS LONG AS WE'RE IN SESSION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS ON, ON THE AGENDA WHERE WE DISCUSSED. UH, SO THIS BRINGS US TO [21. CONSENT AGENDA] AGENDA ITEM 21, CONSENT AGENDA. [02:30:05] OKAY. UM, WE NEED TO PULL G SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA. A, B, C, D, E, F, H, IJ, K, L AND M GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALANA, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT BRINGS US, WELL [21.G. HR Director - Acknowledge property appraisal reports] I THINK TECHNICALLY THAT BRINGS US TO G YES. BRINGS US TO G. OKAY. AND THE HR DIRECTOR IS ASKING US TO PULL IT AND IT'LL COME BACK. YEAH, I JUST NOTICED AN ERROR. OKAY. WE WILL, WE WILL CORRECT AN ERROR AND IT'LL BE BACK ON THE NEXT AGENDA. GOT IT. SO G GOES, UH, GOES TO A FUTURE DATE. ALRIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [22. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS] ITEM 22. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS. WE'VE GOT A, B, C, D, E, F CONSTABLES PURCHASE, SOME TOUGH BOOKS AND LAPTOP MOUNTING EQUIPMENT. OH. AND HERE THEY COME, HE'S HERE FOR QUESTIONS. YES SIR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR YOUR, YOUR EMAIL AND YOUR INFORMATION ON THIS. ARE THESE ITEMS WERE THEY PUT INTO THE FY 25 BUDGET? THESE, THESE WERE ACTUALLY INITIALLY PUT INTO THE FY 25 BUDGET. OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. THEY WERE INITIALLY PUT INTO THE FY UH, 25 BUDGET, BUT THEN GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH. SO THIS WOULD BE PAID THROUGH BY THE PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX FUND. OKAY. AND I'VE GOT, IF YOU NEED ANY PICTURES OR ANYTHING, I'VE ALSO GOT THAT TOO. UH, I DON'T THINK SO. I, I, I, YEAH, I, THANKS. OKAY. THAT KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION, IS THERE ENOUGH MONEY THAT'S UNALLOCATED FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX FUND TO PAY FOR ALL THIS? YES, SIR. YES. THERE IS A CONTINGENCY LINE IN THAT FUND. WE WOULD MOVE IT TO A CAPITAL LINE, BUT YES SIR. THERE IS SOME AVAILABLE FUNDS. AND HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE? I BELIEVE IT'S BUDGETED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. UH, IT, THE, IT'S IT'S OH 5 1 604 9 5 AND IT HAS 110. SO YEAH, SO IT HAS 110,000. AND WHAT DID WE, WE STARTED WITH 110. WHAT'S LEFT NOW? I DON'T THINK YOU'VE USED ANY MONEY. HAVEN'T USED ANY OF IT. NO, SIR. OKAY. AND THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR IT? CORRECT. THE, THE FUND ITSELF, UH, IS LISTED, I THINK IT'S LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 3 87, AND IT, IT STIPULATES LAW ENFORCEMENT OR PUBLIC SAFETY AS ONE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ITEMS THAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY, MY QUESTION, UM, DOESN'T NECESSARILY COME FROM USING THE MONEY. I MEAN THE $16,700 FROM, FROM A SALES TAX REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVE $110,000 FROM MY QUESTION MORE REVOLVES AROUND THE ISSUANCE OF A $3,000 LAPTOP TO THE RESERVE CONSTABLE. UM, I, I, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO ISSUE WITH 22 A AND THAT IS CONSTABLE ONE GETTING A LAPTOP. I, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. UM, I, AND, AND, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE MOUNTING EQUIPMENT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THEY CAN CARRY THEIR LAPTOPS, THEY CAN DO THEIR JOB, THEY CAN MAKE, THEY CAN MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN. MY QUESTION JUST COMES INTO, UH, SUPPLYING THE RESERVE CONSTABLE WITH A LAPTOP AND, AND, UM, BECAUSE IN, IN MY MIND, AND, AND I COULD BE WRONG AND YOU'RE HERE TO CORRECT ME. YEP, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, IN, IN MY MIND, I WOULD FIGURE THE RESERVE CONSTABLE WOULDN'T NEED A LAPTOP IF THEY COULD JUST BORROW WHATEVER CONSTABLE YOU'RE WORKING FOR IS LAPTOP, GO OUT IN THE FIELD, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO MM-HMM . AND COME BACK. AND THAT, THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY CONCERN WITH SURE. THESE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. AND THAT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. FAIR ENOUGH. AND, AND THE INCORRECT STATEMENT IS THESE LAPTOPS ACTUALLY COINCIDE WITH THE ACTUAL BODY CAMERA IN CAR SYSTEM. THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE PICTURE HERE THAT SHOWS HERE THERE'S A CONNECTION FOR THE LAPTOPS THAT ACTUALLY CONNECT. AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. YOU'D LIKE THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE CONNECTION FROM THE LAPTOP TO THE ACTUAL CAMERA SYSTEM. THERE'S A COMPLETE INTEGRATION WITH THE LAPTOPS TO THE ACTUAL IN-CAR CAMERA SYSTEM. COMPLETELY BODY CAMERA, AND IN-CAR SYSTEM. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE LAPTOPS DON'T MOVE, THEY STAY IN THE CAR? NO, THE NO, ALL EVERYTHING IS IS STATIONED WITH THE VEHICLE. SO IT'S WITH THE VEHICLE, IT'S NOT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL. IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I JUST [02:35:01] ASKED. YES. SO IT'S, SO IT'S IN THE CAR AND IT DOESN'T MOVE OUT OF THE CAR DOESN'T MOVE OUTTA THE CAR. IT IS PART OF THE, IT'S PART OF THE VEHICLE. SO IT, SO IT DOESN'T, SO IT'S NOT, SO THE LAPTOP WILL NEVER LIKE, COME OUT AND GO TO A DESK AND, AND, AND WELL, IF YOU NEED TO INSTALL SOME SOFTWARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YEAH, YOU CAN, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATED TO THE, TO THE VEHICLE. JUST LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER DEVICES HERE. IT'S STATIONED TO THE VEHICLE. OKAY. SO, SO THAT, SO THAT CAR, THAT POOL CAR MM-HMM . LET'S JUST SAY IT DOESN'T, LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT HAS THAT LAPTOP AND THEN I'M GONNA PICK ON HIM 'CAUSE HE'S MY CONSTABLE CONSTABLE FORD'S CAR GOES INTO A SHOP. SO HE NEEDS TO USE THAT CAR. YEP. WHAT LAPTOP IS HE USING? HE COULD USE THE ONE THAT'S SITTING IN THERE RIGHT THERE. ALL HE DOES IS BUT WOULD, BUT GETS IN THERE. BUT, BUT WOULD HE, WOULD THERE BE ANY REASON FOR HIM TO USE THE LAPTOP THAT'S IN HIS CAR TO HOOK UP TO HIS CAR CAMERA SYSTEM? WELL, IF HE, NO, BECAUSE HERE, HERE'S THE THING IS, IS WHEN HE GETS REGISTERED, HE'S GONNA LOG INTO THAT LAPTOP AND IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE HIM DRIVING THAT VEHICLE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE NEED FOR A LAPTOP IN THAT CAR, LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEAH. AND IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO HAVE ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES IDENTICAL. MM-HMM . BUT IT, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD BE IDENTICAL IF YOU COULD PLUG A LAPTOP INTO IT. BUT THEY'RE STILL ALL IDENTICAL, JUST LIKE THE SHERIFF'S VEHICLES. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOU HAVE A CAR THAT'S ASSIGNED TO YOU AS NO, NO, NO, NO. IT, IT'S, IT'S A POOL CAR. IT'S FOR THE RESERVES. BUT WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S, THE VEHICLE HAS ACTUALLY HAS THE EQUIPMENT ALREADY BECAUSE IT CAME FROM THE SHERIFF'S, SHERIFF'S, UH, UH, IT CAME FROM, FROM A TRANSFER FROM THE SHERIFF'S VEHICLES. AND BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT THIS, THIS VEHICLE REQUIRES IS JUST THE LAPTOP. SO WE CAN, WE CAN FINISH OUT THE INTEGRATION WITH THE IN-CAR CAMERA, THE BODY CAMERA, AND THE ACTUAL INTERNET THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE VEHICLE AS PART OF THE WHOLE CAMERA SYSTEM. AND THAT VEHICLE'S USED REGULARLY, RIGHT? YES SIR. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. I'D MAKE A MOTION. CAN WE APPROVE ALL FIVE OF THESE AT ONCE, ALL SIX? WE CERTAINLY CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS OF FIXED ASSETS LISTED AT ITEMS 22 A THROUGH F. GOT A MOTION? I'LL SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE. WE HAD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO. ALRIGHT, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU, CONSTABLES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [24. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)] THIS BRINGS US TO APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLL. I AM SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $89,324 AND 26 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALANA. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER, YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO YOU THE UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $683,701 AND 33 CENTS. AND I'M ASKING FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER, YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO YOU THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING FEBRUARY 15TH, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,076,481 AND 62 CENTS. AND I REQUEST THE COURT'S APPROVAL PLEASE. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR GENERAL COUNSEL. UM, WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'RE ALSO ABOUT TO HAVE LUNCHTIME. CAN I SAY WE'RE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SET A TIME THAT WE RECONVENE INTO OPEN COURT? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. SO WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND I'M GONNA SAY WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE AT ONE 30 HERE. THAT'LL GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GO TO GO EAT LUNCH INSTEAD OF WAITING ON US. SO THAT MOVES [25. EXECUTIVE SESSION] US TO AGENDA ITEM 25. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF ITS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MEETING MATTERS LISTED IN THIS AGENDA. ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETINGS SUBCHAPTER DEED, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF [02:40:01] ITS COUNSEL. WE WILL BE GOING OVER PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION DISCUSSION REGARDING MUD 10. WE WILL HAVE PERSONNEL MATTERS DISCUSSION REGARDING EMPLOYEE NUMBER 1 5 3 9 DISCUSSION REGARDING RESEARCH, FINDING BUDGET TRANSFERS AND PERSONNEL CONSIDERATION FOR COUNTY ENGINEER. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION REGARDING POLL BOOKS, ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR UPDATE REGARDING TAX AUDIT. AND AT 1154, WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. JUST TAKE IT OFF. [26. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WE ARE, WHERE ARE WE? HERE WE ARE. IT IS ONE 30. WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN OPEN SESSION. AND I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN THREE ASSESSMENT AGREEMENTS TOTALING $29,648 AND 19 CENTS, REPRESENTING FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENT OF THE PENDING IRS AUDIT. I SECOND. I SECOND. NOPE, YOU GOT IT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. AND I'M ALSO GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE, UH, HR DIRECTOR KAMI WEBB TO MAKE AN OFFER TO EMPLOYEE 1539 FOR $75,500. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. GOT MY MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, UH OH FOR THE JOB TITLE TO THE POSITION OF ENVIRONMENTAL COORDINATOR AND, AND I SECOND HE WILL SECOND IT AS WELL. EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST. THANK YOU. I'LL GET THERE. I SECOND. I'M GONNA WAIT. OKAY. NOW IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. ALL RIGHT. PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. SORRY. AND ITEM 19. AND WELL, YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA ADJOURN YET, [19. Discuss/Act on approval of outside counsel agreement with Andy Taylor & Associates, P.C., to handle appeal judgment in Cause No: 1-24-0256, Rockwall County, Texas, et. al v. Rockwall County MUD No. 10, et. al., and all related issues; (Judge New)] SO WE WILL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVAL OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL AGREEMENT WITH ANDY TAYLOR AND ASSOCIATES PC TO HANDLE APPEAL JUDGMENT CAUSE NUMBER ONE DASH 24 DASH 0 2 5 6. ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS ETAL VERSUS ROCKWALL COUNTY MUD NUMBER 10, ETAL AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. THIS IS OUR, UH, COLLATERAL DAMAGE LAWSUIT AGAINST MUD 10. UH, JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL AGREEMENT INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA. ALL GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. IT PASSES FOUR TO ONE, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER LTE VOTING AGAINST. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO, [27. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS] THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 27. COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS. LET'S START DOWN WITH COMMISSIONER WAND. I'VE GOT NOTHING TO REPORT. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER M**K. I, I DON'T EITHER. ALL RIGHT. WELL DONE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY. OKAY, COMMISSIONER STACY, I GOT NOTHING SIR. WAIT, I HAVE ONE THING. OKAY. DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT WE'VE LOST ALL THE PICTURES IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR THE COUNTY JUDGES? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I JUST NOW NOTED? NOT NOW, BUT THIS MORNING I, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO MY COMMISSIONER REPORT. I'M GLAD THAT THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION IS TAKING CARE OF REDOING THE PICTURES OF ALL THE JUDGES IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS PROMPTLY TO BE FINISHED AND ALL THE PICTURES WILL RETURN, IT'LL ALL BE MATTED THE SAME, THE TONES WILL BE THE SAME AND THAT WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING THAT THE, THAT THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY SERVED IS ACTUALLY CORRECT. SO ANYWAYS, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO REPORT. GOOD JOB. GOOD. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT TWO O'CLOCK WE'RE HAVING A WORKSHOP TO GO OVER BONDS. UH, AND THIS IS NOT BONDS RELATED TO JUDICIAL MATTERS. THIS IS BONDS RELATED TO COUNTY DEBT. SO THAT WILL START AT TWO O'CLOCK. SO AT [02:45:02] 1 35 WE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.