Apr 08, 2025 Commissioners Court Regular Meeting

COMMISSIONER STACEY TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER GOANA TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE IN THE HISTORIC COURTROOM.

I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE ROCKWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

IT IS APRIL 8TH AT 9:00 AM I'M GONNA ASK

[A) INVOCATION]

IF YOU WOULD STAND, IF YOU'RE ABLE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS.

DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY AND ASK FOR INTERCESSION.

PLEASE SPEAK YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR WILL THROUGH OUR DELIBERATIONS TODAY.

DURING THIS SEASON OF PASSOVER AND EASTER.

I PRAY THAT THERE WILL BE A REVIVAL OF REPENTANCE THROUGHOUT ALL OF ROCKWELL COUNTY.

AND MAY YOUR SPIRIT BE EVER PRESENT IN OUR LIVES.

PLEASE BE WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AND IN THIS MONTH, LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOLD BLUE EFFORTS, UM, FOR THIS COUNTY THAT STANDS UP AGAINST CHILD ABUSE.

LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU BE WITH THE VICTIMS, UM, OF THIS ABUSE FOR THEIR STRENGTH TO COME FORWARD, AND THEN GIVE THEM THE STRENGTH AND PROTECTION THEY NEED WHEN THEY DO AND IN AND IN THEIR TIME OF NEED.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND FOR THIS GREAT COUNTY.

AND IT'S IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

JOIN ME THE PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS.

FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AN INDIVISIBLE GOD, GOD AS TEXAS.

[D) RECOGNITION OF GUESTS]

NOW WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF GUEST.

I'M GONNA ASK MS. PATRICIA MEJIA TO COME UP AND SPEAK IS THIS IS APRIL IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE COURTHOUSE IS, IF YOU COME BY AT NIGHT, IS GONNA BE GLOWING BLUE FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH.

UH, AND MS. LAUREN ROWE, COME ON UP AS WELL.

AND THERE'S MR. JERRY WELCH OF THE RAINBOW ROOM.

YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT AND JUST GRATEFUL FOR WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE COUNTY TO RECOGNIZE CHILD ABUSE AWARENESS AND PREVENTION MONTH IN THE MONTH OF APRIL AT THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER.

UH, WE PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICES TO CHILDREN WHO'VE BEEN VICTIMS OF ABUSE WHEN A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED AGAINST THEM.

WE INTER BASICALLY INTERVENE, UH, WITH A COLLABORATIVE RESPONSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARTNERS.

WE HELP ENSURE HOPE AND HEALING BY, UM, MAKING SURE THAT CHILDREN ARE SEEN IN A CHILD-FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.

AND THEY ARE MET THERE BY HIGHLY SKILLED STAFF MEMBERS WHO OFFER FORENSIC INTERVIEWS AND FAMILY ADVOCACY.

AND IN TERMS OF HEALING, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL COMPONENTS IS WE GET TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THEM WITH COUNSELING SERVICES.

AND, UH, NOT ONLY IS THAT COUNSELING PROVIDED TO THE PRIMARY VICTIM, BUT ANY SIBLINGS AND NON-OFFENDING CARE CAREGIVERS.

AND, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, CHILDREN KNOW THAT THEY CAN BE SEEN, THAT THEY'RE HEARD AND THEY'RE BELIEVED.

AND TOGETHER WE HELP STAND IN THAT GAP.

UM, WHEN THERE'S BEEN A CRIME AGAINST A CHILD, UM, THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO.

AND WE DO THAT, UM, ALONGSIDE A NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO ALSO HELP, UM, KIND OF STEP IN, UH, AT SOME POINT IN THE CONTINUUM.

AND SO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LAUREN.

UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M LAUREN ROWE WITH LONE STAR CASA.

AND SO, UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THAT CHILD ABUSE HAPPENS BY THEIR CAREGIVER, BY THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE LIVING WITH.

AND SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER LIVE SAFELY IN THAT HOME, AND THEY ARE REMOVED AND PLACED IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM.

AND THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM IS NOT A GOOD PLACE, AS WE ALL KNOW.

UNFORTUNATELY, THESE KIDS GO THROUGH, UM, ON AVERAGE HAVING THREE PLACEMENTS, UM, DURING THEIR 22 MONTHS OF BEING IN THE SYSTEM.

AND SO WHAT WE DO IS PROVIDE TRAINED VOLUNTEER ADVOCATES WHO WORK WITH THESE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILY TO HOPEFULLY PROVIDE SAFETY AND STABILITY WHILE LETTING THE JUDGES AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE KID AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM.

UM, THEY'RE UNPAID.

UM, AND SO THEY DO THIS OUT OF THE PASSION OF THEIR HEART, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO HOPEFULLY RETURN THE CHILDREN BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES TO HELP THESE FAMILIES HAVE STRENGTHENED RESOURCES AND SUPPORT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE STOP THAT ABUSE FROM OCCURRING, AND THEN THAT CHILD CAN GROW UP AND HAVE THEIR NEXT GENERATION ABUSE FREE.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR RECOGNIZING APRIL AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER AND FRIENDS.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

I'M JERRY WELCH

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WITH THE RAINBOW ROOM.

WE'RE KIND OF THAT STEALTH ORGANIZATION.

UH, WE NEVER SEE THE KIDS.

UH, MOST PEOPLE NEVER SEE US, BUT WHAT WE DO IS THE BEST POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT CHILD NORMAL.

WHAT'S NORMAL? YOU GO BACK TO SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY.

YOU'VE GOT, UH, CLOTHES.

SOMETIMES THESE ARE THE FIRST NEW CLOTHES THESE KIDS HAVE EVER RECEIVED, BUT YOU'VE GOT NEW CLOTHES, YOU'VE GOT A BACKPACK, YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR SCHOOL SUPPLIES.

YOU'RE JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF THEM.

AND HOPEFULLY NONE OF THEM KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN PULLED OUT OF A HOME, ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFE AT THAT POINT.

TERRIBLE.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU AND GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR OUR WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION.

AND I AM JUST TICKLED TO DEATH TO BE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

MM-HMM.

MAN, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD.

LARRY? MM-HMM.

GOOD MORNING.

SO I'M LARRY BARKSDALE.

I'M A FAITH-BASED AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST FOR TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES, COMMONLY KNOWN AS CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE CASEWORKERS AND THE STAFF OF ROCKWELL COUNTY.

WE ARE VERY THANKFUL FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THANKFUL FOR THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK WITH US AND PROTECTING AND, UM, PRESERVING FAMILY FAMILIES HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, ENTERTAINING OUR PROCLAMATION.

OUR OUR, UH, TWO PROCLAIM AS APRIL, UM, CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.

THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION.

AND MOST OF ALL, WE WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, JUST FOR FIGHTING TO PRESERVE FAMILIES.

AND, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, WORKING TO COME IN ON THE FRONT END TO ENSURE THAT FAMILIES ARE PROTECTED AND SUPPORTED ON THE FRONT END BEFORE WE GET TO THE CRISIS POINT OF KIDS NEEDING TO BE REMOVED FROM HOMES.

UM, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT CPS.

WE'RE ALL ABOUT PRESERVING FAMILIES, STRENGTHENING FAMILIES, KEEPING FAMILIES TOGETHER, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN DOING THAT.

THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU.

WE WE'RE ROCKWALL COUNTY IS LUCKY TO, TO HAVE THIS GROUP HERE ADVOCATING FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THAT UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.

BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC FORUM.

THIS

[1. PUBLIC FORUM]

THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.

THERE'S THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP, BUT YOU'VE BEEN TO COURT BEFORE YOU REALIZE THAT WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING IF YOU'VE NOT SIGNED UP, BUT IT WILL MOVE THESE PEOPLE TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE, UH, MR. LEE GILBERT.

AND, AND I WOULD ASK, AND, AND THIS IS NO, UH, ASPERSION ON YOU.

TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES .

SO THIS, IT WAS JUST AN ILL TIME THOUGHT THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD, LEE, NOT.

I'LL DO MY BEST TO DO THAT.

LEE, LEE GILBERT, 1 0 1 0 9 VICTORIA PLACE, HEATH, TEXAS.

UH, I'LL, I'LL SEND THEM HERE.

WE'LL ADDRESS ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, UH, ITEMS. UH, THREE IS THE, UH, BIKES, UH, FOR TYKES, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, ORGANIZATION AND, AND A FUNDRAISER.

UM, I HAPPEN TO BE ON THE FIRST COURT THAT APPROVED, UH, THAT FIRST USE OF COUNTY PROPERTY FOR BIKES FOR TYKES.

AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT THIS COURT HAS CONTINUED TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT, UH, IN SUPPORTING THE CHILDREN IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

UH, NUMBER NUMBER FOUR IS OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO IN 2011, I WAS NOT ON THE COURT, BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, JUDGE JERRY HOGAN INITIATED A STRATEGIC PLAN.

TOOK ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO PUT TOGETHER.

THAT'S, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

ORDINARILY YOU WOULD DO THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

I CAME ON THE COURT IN 2015.

UH, WE WERE WORKING ON A OPEN SPACE PLAN AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND NEVER GOT AROUND TO UPDATING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO MY HAT'S OFF AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER, UH, THAT THIS COURT TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO BEGIN THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, M**K IN, IN CARRYING THIS OUT.

I KNOW TODAY'S THE DAY, UH, IT'S THE END AND THE BEGINNING BECAUSE, UH, A PLAN'S NO BETTER THAN, THAN EXECUTING IT.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT HAPPEN IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM, AND ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS WERE DONE FOR US TO DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY.

THANK YOU, LEE GILBERT.

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UM, DO I HAVE TO GIVE MY NAME ADDRESS? NO, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE FILLED OUT THE DOCUMENT SO YOU DON'T WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UH, COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU THIS MORNING.

UM, I OWN A PROPERTY, OR WE OWN A PROPERTY IN, IN ROCKWELL COUNTY, UH, ON 5 51 38 92 FM 5 51.

WE WERE IN THE ETJ.

WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE ETJ.

WE REMOVED OURSELVES FROM THERE BECAUSE WE LIKE LESS GOVERNMENT.

UM, WE ARE KIND OF ILL PREPARED HERE THIS MORNING.

WE HAVE, WE'RE MAT GUYS AND WE DIDN'T CONVERT SOME FILES TO, UH, TO BE RECEIVED UPON, UH, THE, THE, THE MICROSOFT.

ANYWAYS, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS HERE.

LET'S SEE.

KINDA SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS.

SO THIS 5 51, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY RIGHT HERE, THIS ORANGE AREA.

WE'VE GOT 37 ACRES OF LAND THAT WE DEVELOPED.

UM, WE'RE ABOUT DONE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.

LET'S SEE, THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BETTER.

AND WE, I DUNNO, WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN, IN ON AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORM WATER DRAINING, UH, DETENTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT WHAT WE'VE NOTICED IS, IS THAT DOWNSTREAM IS A PROBLEM.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TWO ENTRANCES TO OUR PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE BOX CULVERTS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRIVE OVER.

THERE'S A CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

AND, UM, IN MARCH, WE HAD TWO FEET OF WATER ABOVE OUR DRIVEWAY.

AND SO WE DETERMINED THAT DOWNSTREAM THERE WAS SOME, SOME TREES THAT HAD FALLEN DOWN IN THE CREEK.

AND SO WE GOT IN THERE, WE REMOVED THOSE OUT, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

IT DIDN'T RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND THEN YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

BURKET BOULEVARD, IT'S BURKETT LANE HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S BURKETT BOULEVARD.

BURKETT IS, IS A, UH, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DEAD END STREET THAT SERVICES, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES, 20, 30 HOMES, WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY BURKE HERE.

UM, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

UM, THE, THERE'S A, THE HOUSE, A MOBILE BACK HERE IN THE BACK, UM, IN MARCH WHEN WE GOT THE BIG RAINS, WATER WAS A FOOT UP ON THAT HOUSE OR THAT, THAT THE, THE MOBILE.

UM, AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT RIGHT HERE AT BURKET, THERE, THERE WAS, I THINK THERE'S TH A 3 36 INCH ROUND CORRUGATED PIPE.

UM, OH, PERFECT.

SO THERE YOU GO.

SO THE THREE, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S 3 36, I DIDN'T MEASURE IT, BUT THEY'RE EITHER 3 36 S OR THREE 40 EIGHTS.

AND THE PIPES, THERE'S ONLY ONE PIPE THAT'S FUNCTIONAL.

THE OTHER TWO ARE COLLAPSED OR OUTTA COMMISSION.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I, WE BELIEVE RIGHT? THAT IT'S, IT'S FLOODING.

UM, THIS IS THE COUNTY YARD IN BETWEEN US AND BURKETT.

UM, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT IN THE BACKGROUND.

UM, BUT THERE'S A CULVERT RIGHT HERE.

UM, AND SO IF I CAN GET, I DON'T HAVE IT, BUT THE, THE, I HAVE, I HAD ANOTHER PICTURE THAT SHOWED WATER UP ABOVE TOP OF THIS.

SO I WENT OVER TO THE COUNTY AND TALKED TO THE COUNTY GUYS.

UM, BY THE WAY, THEY SHOULD TURN DOWN THERMOSTAT.

IT WAS 85 DEGREES IN THERE ONE DAY, AND EVERYBODY'S IN THERE SLEEPING, UM, AT EIGHT 30.

SO COUNTY MONEY, RIGHT? UM, UH, ANYWAYS, THEY, THEY SAY THAT, THEY TOLD ME THAT, THAT THE, THAT BURKE IS A PRIVATE ROAD AND THAT IT'S NOT A COUNTY ROAD.

AND I WENT OVER THERE YESTERDAY AND WAS TALKING TO SOME HOMEOWNERS OR SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE ON THE STREET, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY FIXED IT AS THEY CAN, WHERE THEY CAN, THAT NOBODY WILL LISTEN TO THEM.

AND SO I DID SOME RESEARCH LAST NIGHT AND I COULDN'T FIND OUT.

I COULDN'T FIND WHERE IN THE COUNTY INFORMATION.

IT SAYS WHERE IT SAYS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT A PRIVATE ROAD VERSUS A COUNTY ROAD, IF THERE'S A ROAD, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.

IT'S NOT PART OF AN HOA NOT PART OF THIS OR A PUD OR, OR, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IT, IT'S CONSIDERED A COUNTY ROAD.

AND SO COUNTY FUNDS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.

I LOOKED IN SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE IT'S IN THE COUNTY OR THE ETJ, UM, THAT'S SIMILAR, AND THOSE ARE ALL WELL MAINTAINED ROADS.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE DIRECTION TO GO TO, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ADVERSELY IMPACTING ME.

SO I'M AT A POINT WHERE ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, THE COUNTY HAS TO FIX IT EXPEDITIOUSLY, OR I GO DOWN THERE AND I DO IT, WHICH WILL TAKE ME A DAY.

UM, AND THEN I START LOOKING WHO TO CHARGE AND SEND A BILL TO, OR LEANING PROPERTIES RIGHT, TO GET MY MONEY BACK.

IT'S A DOWNSTREAM PROBLEM THAT'S AFFECTING ME.

UM, OUR PLANS, AND I MIGHT HAVE GONE PAST THE THREE MINUTES, BUT OUR PLANS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE, THE PLANS WERE DONE AND APPROVED AND, AND, AND, AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION

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AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE UPSTREAM WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING AFFECTED ADVERSELY UPSTREAM, OBVIOUSLY DOWNSTREAM, ONCE IT GETS TO, ONCE IT GETS PAST BKE, UM, THERE IS, THERE IS, UM, ONCE IT GETS PAST A PAST BKE, UM, THERE'S LIKE A BUNCH OF, OF, OF CULVERTS THAT TAKE IT ACROSS 5 51 AND INTO ZONE A RIGHT.

ZONE A IS UNDETERMINED BASE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS, WHICH IT'S PROBABLY FLOODPLAIN, UH, BUT NO FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS HAVE BEEN SET.

THIS IS OUR PROPERTY, OUR ENTRANCE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LINE ON THE FENCE.

SO ANYWAYS, HEY MI MR. VA, REAL QUICK IS YOUR, THE PROPERTY YOU DEVELOPED, THE 37 ACRES, IS THAT IN COUNTY OR IS THAT IN A CITY LIMITS NOW? IN THE COUNTY? WE WERE IN THE ETJI.

YOU WERE ETJ.

AND SO YOU'RE OUT OF THE ETJ NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

I WANNA, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE ANY CHANCES WITH ROCKWELL .

I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

NO, NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

UM, YEAH, WE, UH, WE REMOVED OURSELVES FROM THE ETJ, SO WE'RE, WE'RE STRAIGHT COUNTY.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN, NO, WE, WE, I, I, I PROMISE YOU THIS COURT, WE WILL, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

WE, WE WILL.

I'LL STEP OFF THE BOX.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AMOUNTS OF MONEY HAVE BEEN SPENT, UH, NOT ONLY BY ROCKWALL COUNTY, BUT ALSO BY OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS.

NEXT IS RYAN JOYCE, AND THEN AGAIN, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, UM, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A FORM, DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING.

SO, UH, GOOD EVENING OR GOOD MORNING, SORRY.

USED TO DOING THIS AT NIGHT.

UH, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.

COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME IS RYAN JOYCE, 7 6 7 JUSTIN ROAD, ROCKWALL, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 7.

UH, I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA, THE ROCKWELL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, FOR 2050.

SO, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ASKED TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PLAN THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY SPACE FOR POTENTIAL FOUR H AND COMMUNITY, UH, UH, UH, LARGE CONVENTION CENTER TYPE SPACE THAT WE CAN HOST COMMUNITY EVENTS AT.

UH, LOVE SEEING THAT ON THE PLAN.

THIS PAST WEEKEND, UH, WE WERE AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY, UH, YOUTH FAIR AND LIVESTOCK SHOW.

UH, AND, UH, WE WERE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THAT BROUGHT IN A RECORD, UH, SALE FOR THOSE KIDS OF OVER $140,000.

SO, UH, THOSE KIDS PUT IN A LOT OF WORK.

SO IT'S AWESOME TO SEE THAT.

IT'S AWESOME TO SEE THE COUNTY, UH, PUSH TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION.

UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE DO DO DEVELOPMENT WORK.

UH, WE, WE ARE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS.

WE WORK HERE IN ROCKWALL, BUT WE ALSO WORK IN A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UH, AROUND THE DFW METROPLEX, UH, INCLUDING MCKINNEY HUNT COUNTY CATTLE MILLS, UM, HERE IN ROCKWALL HEATH.

AND, AND WE DEVELOP A WIDE VARIETY OF PRODUCTS.

SO, UH, I WOULD ASK THE COURT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS THAT COME INTO YOUR, UH, WHETHER IT BE YOUR CITY, YOUR COUNTY, OR WHEREVER.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LOOK TOWARDS COMPREHENSIVE PLANS LIKE THIS TO SAY, HEY, WHAT DO THE RESIDENTS WANT TO WANT TO SEE THERE? WHAT DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO SEE THERE? AND WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THE STANCE OF, HEY, IF, IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT US THERE, THEN THE CITY DOESN'T WANT US THERE, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.

BUT WE ARE SMALL DEVELOPERS.

WE'RE A SMALL FAMILY OFFICE.

MY WIFE AND I WORK TOGETHER WITH A COUPLE OTHER EMPLOYEES, SO WE ENJOY THAT.

BUT WE ARE A VERY SMALL OUTFIT.

THERE ARE LARGER OUTFITS OUT THERE THAT ARE ABLE TO KIND OF GO AND DO AND PUSH THINGS AS FAR AS THEY WANT TO PUSH THEM.

AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU THAT, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE, THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND AS WE WORK TOWARDS CREATING SOME DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, UM, THAT YOU, YOU'D BE OPEN-MINDED, YOU'D BE OPEN-MINDED TO WORKING WITH, UH, THOSE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN PROPERTY WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO, TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DO.

THANK Y'ALL.

THANK YOU, RYAN.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? COME ON UP.

TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HELLO, JAMES BRANCH.

I'M SORRY, I, I HAVE MY READING GLASSES ON.

I DIDN'T THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I DIDN'T WEAR MINE THIS MORNING, SO HOPEFULLY I CAN READ.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

MY ITEM OR MY DISCUSSION ITEM IS ON ITEM NUMBER 26, THE OUTER LOOP RESOLUTION.

UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, THE COURT ESTABLISHED A TRANSPORTATION CONSORTIUM, UH, CHARGED WITH CONSIDERING PROSPECTIVE PROJECTS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UM, THE OUTER LOOP IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND PLANNED BY THE CONSORTIUM AND THE COURT FOR MANY DECADES OR DECADES AT LEAST, UM, SIGNIFICANT

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UH, IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT THE DECISION RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO THE TRANSPORTATION CONSORTIUM INITIALLY FOR DISCUSSION, AND THEN A STATEMENT OF RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WHICH IS THE WAY IT'S TYPICALLY ALWAYS BEEN DONE, UH, IN EFFECT FOLLOWING THE FRAMEWORK OF THE COUNTYWIDE COOPERATION THAT'S HISTORICALLY SERVED US VERY WELL IN THE PAST.

UM, THE CITY OF ROY CITY WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS DECISION BE REFERRED BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION CONSORTIUM FOR SOME CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO BRING BACK TO THE COURT.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? COME UP AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SCOTT MUCKIN, 1254 JONES ROAD, ROY CITY.

AND SINCE WE'RE ON ROADS AND THOROUGH AFFAIRS, UM, I'LL VOUCH FOR MR. LK TALKING ABOUT BURQUETTE.

IT'S IN MY WATER DISTRICT AND IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.

UM, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE DETENTION AND, AND THERE'S OTHER COUNTY ROADS THAT NEED ATTENTION.

I KNOW I'VE, I BROUGHT SOME OF THE MR. LICHTY ABOUT A WEEK AGO, BUT THERE'S ONE SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTORS IS JONES ROAD.

AND JONES ROAD IS BETWEEN FIVE 50 AND 5 48.

UM, 2 0 5, WE TALK ABOUT THE NIGHTMARE GETTING ON 2 0 5 JONES IS AT NORTH SOUTH, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONLY PAVED HALFWAY GOING TOWARDS 5 48.

SO I ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THAT.

I THINK THAT OPENS UP SORT OF A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THINGS THAT, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT, I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION.

THE ROADS FALLING APART, ESPECIALLY OUT IN THE COUNTY, ASPHALT ROADS, THEY NEED SOME ATTENTION.

SO, UM, I'D ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THAT.

HEY, QUICK QUESTION, SCOTT.

WHEN YOU SAY YOUR DISTRICT, IS THAT THE, THE BLACK WATER WATER DISTRICT? YES, SIR.

OKAY, GOT IT.

WE GO FROM 2 76 SPRINGER TO 5 48.

WE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO PINKY'S AND ROY CITY.

WE GO DOWN TO BUENA VISTA, AND THEN WE GO OUT 5 48 TO HIGH POINT ROAD GOT, SO IT'S PRETTY ENCOMPASSING.

UM, WE, WE DRIVE THEM EVERY DAY, SO, UM, I'M WILLING TO HELP.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? ALL RIGHT.

SEE

[2. Discuss/Act on a request from America’s Guardians and the Children’s Advocacy Center for Rockwall County to host the “10th Annual Bikes for Tykes” on Sunday, September 21, 2025, from 8:00 am - 5:00 pm to use the Liberty Hall/parking lot area of the main Courthouse, and to waive fees, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

YOU NO ONE.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AN ACT ON A REQUEST FROM AMERICA'S GUARDIANS AND THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY ADVOCACY CENTER FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY.

TO HOST THE 10TH ANNUAL BIKES FOR TYKES ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2025 FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM TO USE THE LIBERTY HALL PARKING LOT AREA OF THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, AND TO WAIVE FEES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER GUANA, TURN IT OVER TO YOU, .

GOOD MORNING COMMISSION.

MAD DOG.

MEEK MAD DOG IS AT THE MICROPHONE.

IF, UH, THOSE, THOSE OF YOU THAT, UH, THAT I'VE MET, OR YOU MAY KNOW ME, UH, MY NAME'S MICHAEL MEEK.

I'M THE CHIEF FOR THE MESQUITE MARSHALL'S OFFICE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M, I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA'S GUARDIANS MOTORCYCLE CLUB, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT MOTORCYCLE CLUB THAT ENTAILS, UH, ACTIVE RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, UH, MILITARY VETERANS, AND FIRST RESPONDERS.

UM, THIS IS COMING UP ON OUR 10TH ANNIVERSARY, UH, FOR PIKES FOR TYKES PROGRAM.

WE ARE THE FIRST ORGANIZATION THAT CAME ABOARD WHEN THEY, UH, DECIDED TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BUILDING A OR GETTING A CAC FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

AND IN THOSE 10 YEARS, OR THE NINE YEARS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS, UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RAISE, UH, ABOUT $420,000.

UM, ALL PROCEEDS GO DIRECTLY TO THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, UM, THE, THE, UH, PARKING LOT, THE VENUE LAST YEAR, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WE HAD PROBABLY AROUND 400 MOTORCYCLES, MAYBE FIVE TO 700 TEDDY BEARS, UH, COLLECTED, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME THROUGH.

WE HAVE A HUGE SILENT AUCTION.

UH, IT'S A FUN TIME FOR THE FAMILY.

UH, IT'S A DAY LONG EVENT, AND Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO COME OUT, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, BUT WE'RE REQUESTING, AGAIN FOR THE, OUR 10TH ANNIVERSARY, UH, THE USE OF THE, UH, COUNTY PROPERTY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAD DOG? THANK, DO.

UM, THERE IT IS.

UH, BY THE WAY, I'VE RIDDEN IN MANY OF YOUR RIDES.

IN FACT, I RODE IN THE VERY FIRST ONE WITH KEN CULPEPPER ON BACK, SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

LOVE RIDING MOTORCYCLES.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH.

FOR SOME REASON IN THIS AGREEMENT, IT SAYS THAT A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE

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IS NOT APPLICABLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS.

UM, YOU GUYS HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER HAD THE INSURANCE, UH, ADDRESSED FOR THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN WAIVED.

YEAH, BUT I'M OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT DO YOU HAVE LIABILITY? DO, ARE YOU A ENTITY? NO.

IS MOTORCYCLE CLUB AN ENTITY? YES.

IT'S 5 0 1 C3.

SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE, RIGHT? YES.

I WOULD LIKE IT IF YOU COULD GET THAT INSURANCE TO NAME THE COUNTY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO FOR EVERYONE.

IT SHOULDN'T COST YOU ANY MONEY TO DO THAT.

I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR NATIONAL TREASURER.

AND IF IT DOES COST YOU ANY MONEY WITHIN REASON, I'LL WRITE YOU THE CHECK FOR IT PERSONALLY.

OKAY? OKAY.

IT'S NOT OF A COST THING, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO TO WITH, WITH EVERYBODY THAT USES COUNTY PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY SUGGESTION.

AND IT'S USUALLY PRETTY EASY TO DO.

ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT I, I, I AGREE.

THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD IDEA.

PATRICIA, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

THIS HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT EVENT, UM, EVERY YEAR.

IT, UH, REALLY HELPS CREATE AWARENESS.

WE GET A LOT OF THE NATIONAL CHARITY LEAGUES AND YOUNG MEN SERVICE LEAGUE INVOLVED IN HELPING TO CREATE AWARENESS ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

AND, UM, I THINK THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT IS IT REACHES A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE WOULDN'T KNOW WOULDN'T ON OUR OWN.

AND, UH, CREATING AWARENESS, MAKING A, MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN JUST ONE CHILD'S LIFE IS HUGE.

UM, SO WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE SUPPORT FROM AMERICA'S GUARDIANS AND FROM THE COUNTY IN BEING ABLE TO HOST THIS EVENT EACH YEAR.

WONDERFUL.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM AMERICA'S GUARDIANS AND THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER AS STATED ON THE AGENDA.

UM, ADDING THE REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER LTI FOR THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.

IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMERS.

US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ACCEPTING ROCKWELL COUNTY'S PHYSICAL YEAR 2024 COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AS PRESENTED BY PATILLO BROWN AND HILL LLP CPAS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THIS BRINGS

[3. Discuss/Act on accepting Rockwall County’s Fiscal Year 2024 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report as presented by Pattillo, Brown & Hill LLP. CPAs, and all related issues; (Judge New -Auditor)]

MS. LISA, YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THE GENTLEMAN AT THE PODIUM? YES, I WOULD.

UH, THIS IS JOHN MANNING.

HE'S THE, A PARTNER WITH, UH, PATILLO BROWN AND HILL FROM WACO.

AND HE HAS WORKED WITH MY OFFICE THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS THROUGH THE YEAR THAT, UH, THROUGH THE ENTIRE YEAR THAT THEY DO ON ONE-ON-ONE, ONE INTERVIEWS, UH, THEY, WE SUBMIT ALL OF OUR FINANCIAL DATA TO THEM, AND THEN THEY HELP US COMPILE THIS INTO A REPORT THAT THEN WE SUBMIT TO THE GFOA FOR A FINANCIAL, UH, AWARD, FOR A CER CERTIFICATE OF, OF, UH, EXCELLENCE AWARD.

THAT'S GOOD.

SO JOHN'S HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE US A RUNDOWN.

UH, HE, HE'S LAID IN FRONT OF YOU EACH, UH, THE SINGLE AUDIT MANAGEMENT LETTER AND THE COMBINED, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT THAT HE'LL GO OVER WITH US.

AND JUST A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS, IF YOU LOOK OVER ON PAGE 10, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN CAPITAL ASSETS WITH THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT AND JUST SOME DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

WELCOME, JOHN.

JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HERE.

I'M GONNA START WITH THE ACTUAL A CFR.

AND IF YOU'LL LOOK AT PAGE ONE, AND JUST 'CAUSE I SAY THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M GONNA GO THROUGH ALL 150 PAGES .

SO THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE ONE, THIS IS REALLY WHY WE WERE HERE.

UM, THE NUMBERS AND THE REPORT, OR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY ARE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO EXPRESS AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER THOSE ITEMS ARE PROPERLY REPRESENTED.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.

WE ARE OFFERING AN UNMODIFIED OPINION, MEANING WE DID NOT HAVE TO MODIFY OUR OPINION FOR GAP DEPARTURES OR THINGS THAT THE COUNTY WASN'T KEEPING UP WITH.

WE HAVE SOME SMALLER COUNTIES THAT DON'T KEEP UP WITH CAPITAL ASSETS AND SOME THINGS THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO.

SO WE HAVE TO ALTER OUR OPINION TO SAY, HEY, EVERYTHING IS GOOD EXCEPT FOR THESE THINGS.

YOU GUYS DO NOT HAVE THAT.

SO OF THE FOUR TYPES OF OPINIONS THAT WE CAN GIVE THE UNMODIFIED IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN GET.

SO, UM, I ALWAYS GO BACK TO, WE WORK WITH LISA AND THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE, BUT THIS REPORT IS A COUNTYWIDE EFFORT.

YOU GUYS PUT POLICIES IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE INTERNAL CONTROLS, AND IF PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THEM, THEY DON'T WORK.

SO REALLY, THIS REPORT IS, YOU KNOW, A CREDIT TO EVERYBODY THAT'S, THAT'S WORKING FOR THE COUNTY AND HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THINGS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FOUR, THIS IS THE MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS.

AND THIS REALLY WAS ADDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO KIND OF ADD WORD NARRATIVE TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T JUST WANNA SIT HERE AND LOOK AT NUMBERS ALL DAY.

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NEW VEHICLES, NEW, NEW EVERYTHING.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COUNT, THE CAPITAL ASSETS WENT FROM ONE 12 TO ONE 17.

ANOTHER THING THAT PEOPLE ARE SUPER SENSITIVE TO IS, IS LONG-TERM DEBT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT YOUR TAX NOTES AND REFUNDING BONDS, THEY WERE AT 137 MILLION.

THEY'RE DOWN TO 130 WITH NO NEW ADDITIONS, UH, THROUGH 2024.

SO THAT OVERALL DEBT DECREASED, UH, WHICH IS GREAT.

IF YOU WANT TO TURN TO PAGE 15, THIS IS WHEN YOU DO YOUR BUDGET.

AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS FROM LISA AND HER TEAM, THIS IS HOW WE LOOK AT THEM.

YOU HAVE FOUR FUNDS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE PRESENTED AS MAJOR, YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BOND PROGRAM, YOUR DEBT SERVICE, AND YOUR ARPA MONEY.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED THE YEAR WITH ABOUT $122 MILLION OF, OF ASSETS.

AND REALLY, WHEN WE DO THESE AUDITS, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT WE DO, WE, WE LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS AND WE LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS RISKY? AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, $101 MILLION IS IN CASH AND, AND POOLS.

WE CONFIRM ALL OF THOSE 100% INDEPENDENTLY.

SO WE SEND A CONFIRMATION TO THEM, THEY RESPOND BACK AND SAY, YES, YOU HAVE THIS MUCH IN HERE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE THIS MUCH IN HERE.

SO YOU'VE GOT 101 MILLION.

THAT, THAT IS 100% CONFIRMED BY OUTSIDE PARTIES, THE ACCOUNT'S RECEIVABLE, WHICH IS YOUR NEXT LARGEST.

THE BIG PART OF THAT IS THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE BEING PAID BACK, UM, THROUGH YOUR BOND PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, THAT NUMBER'S BEEN ON THERE FOR YEARS.

AND EACH TIME THOSE RECEIPTS COME IN, WE KEEP REDUCING THAT RECEIVABLE.

THE OTHER LARGE PART OF THAT IS YOUR TAXES RECEIVABLE, WHICH ARE JUST UNPAID PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.

THOSE COMES DIRECTLY FROM YOUR COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.

SO REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RISK ON THE ASSET SIDE.

SAME WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE LIABILITIES, BECAUSE THAT, UM, ARPA MONEY IS RECEIVED AND HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT YET.

WE HAVE TO CALL THAT A LIABILITY.

SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, 90% OF YOUR LIABILITIES ARE THAT UNSPENT ARPA PROCEEDS.

AND AGAIN, WE CONFIRMED THAT THOSE MONIES CAME IN.

WE'VE WALKED THROUGH HOW MUCH Y'ALL SPENT THIS YEAR, AND THAT BALANCE IS, IS APPROPRIATE.

SO REALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RISK ON THIS BALANCE SHEET AT ALL.

AND EVERYTHING, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS STUFF, WE ALSO LOOK AT, IS, IS SOMETHING TRENDING LIKE THERE COULD BE A PROBLEM.

AND, AND WE DO NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S TRIGGERING ANY KIND OF RED FLAGS.

SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE 18 AND 19, THE BALANCE SHEET THAT I JUST WENT OVER, REMEMBER, IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF ONE DAY.

THIS IS YOUR INCOME STATEMENT.

SO THIS IS 12 MONTHS.

THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE COLLECTED AND SPENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND THE GENERAL FUND ADDED ABOUT $2.7 MILLION TO FUND BALANCE, BRINGING IT TO JUST A LITTLE UNDER 30 MILLION, WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE.

UM, AND YOUR ARPA PLAN ALSO IS ABOUT $2 MILLION.

AND, AND REALLY YOU GUYS HAVE TO, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT OBLIGATED AND, AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT.

SO REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK HERE, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY YOUR BIG DRIVERS PROPERTY TAXES, AGAIN, STRAIGHT FROM THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR, WE DO A LOT OF TEST WORK ON THOSE BIG BALANCES AND MAKE SURE THOSE AMOUNTS ARE RIGHT.

ANOTHER GOOD THING IS WITH THE INTEREST RATES INCREASING YOU GUYS IN JUST YOUR GENERAL FUND, I MEAN, IN YOUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, ADDED ALMOST $6 MILLION WITH INTEREST REVENUE.

I KNOW FOR A WHILE THAT WAS DOWN TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO THAT, THAT'S GOOD TO SEE.

SO REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THE FUNDS HERE, I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THIS, YOUR BOND HOLDERS, GRANTORS, EVERYBODY THAT LOOKS AT THIS SEES THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY IS IN A GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION.

UM, YOU GUYS ARE, ARE DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS AS AN OUTSIDE PARTY.

THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS IF YOU GO OVER TO THE, UM, REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION SECTION, WHICH IS ON PAGE 52 AND 53.

ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED, WE'VE DONE THE, THE AUDIT FOR, FOR A FEW YEARS, AND YOU GUYS REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE T-C-D-R-S AND THE PENSION PLAN, AND YOU GUYS HAVE PUT EXTRA FUNDS WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN MORE THAN THE REQUIRED ASSESSMENT.

AND THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE MARKET LAST YEAR, IF YOU GO OVER ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF PAGE 53, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A, A $1 MILLION BALANCE THERE WITH BRACKETS AROUND IT.

ACCOUNTING IS IS CRAZY.

THE BRACKETS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD.

THAT MEANS YOU

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GUYS HAVE MORE IN ASSETS THAN WHAT'S PROJECTED TO BE FOR LIABILITIES.

SO YOU HEAR A LOT OF HORROR STORIES ABOUT PENSION PLANS, AND THIS IS UNSUSTAINABLE.

THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS PLAN IS.

TC DURST IS A VERY WELL RUN PROGRAM, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN THE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE PUT SOME EXTRA FUNDS IN AND YOU GUYS ARE FULLY FUNDED.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I POINTED THAT OUT IN CASE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, HEY, I KNOW THESE PENSION PLANS GO BAD.

YOURS IS IN VERY GOOD SHAPE.

THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER IS THIS ONE, IT'S THE SMALLER BOUND DOCUMENT.

BECAUSE YOU GUYS SPENT MORE THAN $750,000 OF FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY, WE HAVE TO PERFORM A SINGLE AUDIT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGES SIX AND SEVEN, YOU GUYS SPENT ABOUT 5.4 MILLION OF FEDERAL FUNDS AND, UH, ABOUT ALMOST 900,000 OF STATE FUNDS.

SO WE HAD TO TEST THE ARPA PLAN, WHICH WE'VE HAD TO TEST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

EVERYTHING LOOKED GREAT, AND THIS YEAR Y'ALL GOT SOME NEW MONEY WITH THE SB 22 FUNDS.

WE HAD TO TEST THOSE AS FAR AS THE STATE SINGLE AUDIT.

AND AGAIN, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY FINDINGS OR ANY ISSUES THERE.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY READ THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.

I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GETTING THIS MONEY, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE YOU SPEND IT PROPERLY, THAT YOU TURN YOUR REPORTS IN ON TIME, THAT YOU SUBMIT THINGS THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE SUBMITTED.

AND THE COUNTY DID A GREAT JOB THAT THE GRANTS PEOPLE HERE DO A, DO A SUPER JOB.

AND IF YOU, IF YOU GET SIDEWAYS ON GRANTS, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A NIGHTMARE.

THEY'RE, THEY COME OUT, THEY START DOING AUDITS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY LOOK AT IT IN A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN WE DO, AND WE LOOK AT IT IN A LOT OF DETAIL.

SO REALLY, UM, JUST TO SOME SUMMARIZE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THE COUNTY'S IN GREAT FINANCIAL WORKING ORDER.

EVERYTHING WAS WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE.

LISA, ELENA AND HER TEAM HAD US EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED ON TIME, AND WE JUST APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS OF THEIR TEAM.

AND WE GO OUT TO ALLOTTED THE TAX OFFICE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND DO INTERVIEWS, TALK ABOUT FRAUD, AND EVERYBODY WAS, WAS SUPER HELPFUL.

AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT, THAT THEY PUT IN AND APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONERS TRUSTING US WITH, WITH DOING THE AUDIT FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE, AND IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT, I HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SOMETHING IN THAT DRAFT THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS, I'D BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR MR. MANNING? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

GREAT PRESENTATION BY THE WAY.

AND, UM, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON, COMMISSIONER? I'M ON PAGE 18, WHICH IS THE INCOME STATEMENT.

WHAT DID YOU SAY THE OUR INTEREST INCOME NUMBER WAS? IF YOU GO ACROSS IT'S 5.9 MILLION FOR THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS.

WHERE IS THAT? I I'M JUST, I I HEARD YOU SAY THAT AND I'M, I'M MAYBE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PAGE.

SO IT'S ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE.

ALL THE WAY ACROSS, YEAH.

AWESOME.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT GO TO MULTIPLE PAGES BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO MAJOR FUNDS.

THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.

GREAT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A QUESTION, BUT THANK YOU, LISA, FOR GETTING THIS TO US EARLY ENOUGH BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO READ IT LAST WEEK AND NOT JUST THROWN ON US ALL AT ONCE.

UM, WE WERE TALKING THIS MORNING AND, AND, AND THE GOOD STUFF IS BURIED.

CAN YOU NOT BURY THE LEAD? CAN YOU GIVE US SOME SORT OF EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON TOP, UM, INSTEAD OF TURNING TO PAGE SIX BEFORE YOU SAY THE AUDIT'S GOOD.

'CAUSE YOU'RE SITTING THERE READING EVERYTHING GOING, WHAT IS THE AUDIT REPORT? THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY COMMENT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.

THANKS.

YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGHNESS.

THANK YOU, LISA, AND THE ENTIRE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU, KAMI.

I WANNA THANK THE TREASURER, THANK THE SHERIFF.

UM, I, I, I APPRECIATE YEAH, THAT, THAT'S, WE CAN'T STAND, WE, WE HAVE TO THANK EV CONSTABLE, ALL, ALL OF THEM.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY WAS SUPER HELPFUL, SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MR. MANNING.

AND JUST TO, FOR THE AUDIENCE LISTENING, UM, THIS MATERIAL IS ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, UNDER OPEN GOVERNMENT.

AND ALL OF THIS CAN BE REVIEWED BY, UM, THE CITIZENS WHENEVER THEY WISH TO.

AND THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT ON, ON THE RECORD THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PENSIONS, NEGATIVE IS A GOOD THING, .

THAT IT IS NOT, LEAVE IT TO A COUNTY.

WE'RE NOT A MILLION.

LEAVE IT ON COUNTY TO MAKE NEGATIVES A GOOD THING.

WONDERFUL.

SO DOES THIS REQUIRE ACTION FROM US? YES.

IF YOU'LL ACCEPT IT, UH, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLACE IT INTO YOUR MINUTES, UH, WITH THE COUNTY CLERK.

ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT PRESENTED BY PATILLO BROWN AND HILL L-L-P-C-P-A.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY PHYSICAL YEAR 2024 COMPREHENSIVE

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GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THANK YOU, MR. MANNING.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THAT BRINGS

[4. Discuss/Act on adopting the Rockwall County Strategic Plan 2050, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]

US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCK WALL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER M**K, HERE WE ARE.

PLAN GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE IT WON'T MEAN ANYTHING.

AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHAT AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TODAY.

UM, 18 MONTHS AGO, WE EMBARKED ON THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050.

AND IT WAS BASED ON THE PREMISE OF CREATING A VISIONARY ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.

UM, I HAVE HAD THE HONOR TO BE A PART OF THIS ENDEAVOR, AND I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU, MY PEERS HERE ON THIS COURT.

THE, THE PE MY PEERS ON THE PREVIOUS COURTS, AS WELL AS THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM TALK THIS MORNING.

IT, IT CONSISTED OF ABOUT 75 PEOPLE, OUR CITIZENS, OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THE, WHAT I CALL THE, THE GANG OF SIX, THE INTERNAL TEAM THAT WORKED WITH ME.

THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT EACH OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE PUT IN, IT'S JUST AMAZING.

AND IT JUST, IT SPEAKS SO WELL OF THE COMMITMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

BUT WE WANNA PRESERVE THE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO PRESERVE THE COUNTY AS A SAFE, LOW DENSITY, THRIVING, AND FAMILY FRIENDLY SET OF COMMUNITIES IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.

IT'S A CRUCIAL FOR SETTING STRATEGIC PLANS ARE CRUCIAL FOR, THEY NEED TO BE SET FOR, FOR LONG-TERM GOALS THAT ARE GONNA ALLOCATE THE NECESSARY RESOURCES AND ALIGN THE COUNTY'S OPERATIONS WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND PRIORITIES HAVE TOLD US.

SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY ABOUT SUSTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.

OUR EFFORTS HAVE ALLOWED US TO CREATE NEW BENCHMARKS WITH OUR, WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND IN THE STATE WITH STRATEGIC PLANS AS FAR AS ENGAGEMENT, UM, AS, AS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

AND THIS HAS BEEN SUPPORTED BY OUR STRONG LEADERSHIP HERE ON THIS COURT, AS I'VE MENTIONED.

BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES OUR CITIES AND OUR CITY LEADERS, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, OUR BUSINESSES, OUR NONPROFITS, OUR EMPLOYEES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR CITIZENS.

WE WORK TOGETHER.

WE OUTLINED THE PRO THE PRIORITIES TO FOCUS ON, AND DARE I SAY, TO ACHIEVE THESE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS CURRENTLY ON THE, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, ON THE HOMEPAGE IN ITS ENTIRETY, UM, AS A DRAFT.

AND HOPEFULLY AFTER A FEW MINUTES, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY IT IS APPROVED.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO, I, I GUESS TODAY IS JUST ABOUT SHARING THAT VISION THAT WE'VE HAD AS WE BEGIN THE JOURNEY NOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050.

BECAUSE IT IS, IT, IT IS INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE COUNTY AS A SAFE, LOW DENSITY, THRIVING, AND FAMILY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

I LIKE TO SAY, SOMEONE TOLD US IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, WE'RE BIG ENOUGH TO TO MATTER AND SMALL ENOUGH TO CARE.

SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, TO THE COURT TODAY FOR ADOPTION COMMISSIONERS.

ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? ANY, ANYTHING? THE ONLY COMMENT I WANNA SAY IS I'M READY TO IMPLEMENT IT.

I THINK THAT DANA, UH, COMMISSIONER M**K, YOU AND YOUR TEAM, UM, AND, AND ALL THE INPUT, UH, IS, HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE.

I THINK FROM THE TRUE USE OF THE WORD INCREDIBLE, THE EFFORT HAS BEEN HUGE.

UM, THE DATA POINTS ARE BIG.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE PLAN THAT WE'RE ADOPTING IS ON POINT WITH THOSE DATA, WITH THE DATA AND WHAT THE INPUTS WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.

I THINK THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE GETTING WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE KPIS, THE KEY POINTS, WHAT DOES THE KPI STAND FOR? AGAIN, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR, A KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR, GETTING THOSE KPIS ALIGNED AND GETTING AN IMPLEMENTATION THAT FALLS UPON THE COURT.

UM, BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO BECOME A DUSTY DOCUMENT, UM, SITTING IN COMMISSIONER TWO'S OFFICE MM-HMM .

SO I JUST HOPE THAT THE COURT HAS MY ENTHUSIASM TO PICK THIS THING UP AND, UH, AND MAKE IT AN ACTUAL WORKING, LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT AND NOT PLATITUDES.

SO.

WELL SAID.

COMMISSIONER GUANA.

YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE.

I ECHO THOSE COMMENTS.

I'M, UH, I'M THANKFUL FOR COMMISSIONER M**K, FOR MARK KIPP FOR SEVERAL OTHERS THAT SPENT A, UM, UNTOLD AMOUNT OF HOURS WORKING ON THIS PLAN.

UM, THIS IS WHAT A WELL RUN COUNTY DOES AS WE MAKE A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

THE NEXT CRITICAL STEP REALLY IS, UM, HOW WE EXECUTE.

AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND HOW WE'RE GONNA EXECUTE THIS PLAN AND WHAT THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS.

UM, AND I HOPE THAT AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, I HOPE WE CAN ALL STAY VERY ENGAGED IN EXECUTING THIS

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ALL THE WORK WILL BE FOR NOTHING IF WE DON'T, UM, PICK IT UP AND RUN WITH IT FROM HERE.

THANK YOU, DANA.

COMMISSIONER M**K, GREAT JOB.

IT WAS REALLY A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

UH, AND TO MARK KIPPET AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO WAS PART OF THIS, IT WAS GENUINELY A PLEASURE.

I WANNA JUST FOLLOW UP ON ONE THING, AND IT WAS REALLY TRIGGERED BY WHAT, UH, RYAN JOYCE SAID A MINUTE AGO.

UM, HE SAID, WHEN HE GOES INTO COMMUNITIES HE WANT, HE LOOKS AT WHAT THEY WANT AND TRIES TO TAILOR HIS DEVELOPMENTS BASED ON THAT.

AND IN THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, WHICH YOU RECITED A COUPLE TIMES, UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY IS TO BECOME A THRIVING, LOW DENSITY, FAMILY FRIENDLY OASIS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND US.

AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO COMES HERE, ANY DEVELOPERS THAT WANNA WORK WITH US IN THIS COUNTY, THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEY'D CONSIDER THAT WHEN THEY BRING THEIR PROPOSALS TO US.

UH, AS MR. JOYCE SAID HE DID, I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

AND I WOULD ASK THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

THIS IS WHAT OUR COUNTY'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

SO, UH, WE SET OUT A PLAN, WE ASK THEM ALL TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS.

AND AGAIN, KUDOS.

GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A VERY, UH, INTERESTING DYNAMIC.

SO WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE CITIZEN ADVOCATES AND WERE A, A BIG PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS CITIZENS WHO ARE NOW HERE.

SO, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE A, A VESTED INTEREST IN IT AND, AND HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT IS IN DEPTH.

AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER MICK'S EFFORTS.

I APPRECIATE MARK KIPPET, WHO I ESTIMATE ABOUT $300,000 IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY HIM WHERE, WHERE HE CHARGING US.

UH, SO MAYBE I'LL BUY HIM A CUP OF COFFEE AND WE'LL CALL IT EVEN.

UH, BUT I, I, I'M THANKFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ROCKWELL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN.

2050.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANA.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, AND IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

YAY.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION OF 89TH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

WOULD WOULD, WOULD WE LIKE TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A SHORT BREAK.

SO, UH, IT IS, IT IS 9 47.

LET'S, LET'S COME BACK HERE AT 10 0 5.

IT, IT IS.

I'M EVEN GONNA LET US HAVE LUNCH IF WE GO THAT LONG.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE JUDGE.

TWO BEARS TODAY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION OF THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE SLASH OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

I'M GONNA RECONVENE INTO THE REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

IT IS 10 0 5, AND WE ARE ON

[5. Discussion of 89th Legislative Session Update/Overview County-related bills, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]

LET'S GO THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS REAL QUICK, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK MARK KIPPET TO GIVE US AN UPDATE.

WE, WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP THAT, UH, IS COMPILING A LIST OF BILLS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO ROCKWALL COUNTY.

UH, COMMISSIONER COLONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL, UM, I'LL SEAT MOST OF MY TIME TO THE WORKING GROUP EXPLANATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, UM, TOGETHER DOING.

UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY FRUITFUL.

I'M A I'M EXCITED FOR THAT.

UM, AND, UM, WE'VE GOT A GOOD LIST OF BILLS THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO, BUT I'LL KEEP IT PRETTY GENERAL UNTIL THEY COME UP.

OH, OKAY.

YOU KNOW THAT, UM, THE HOUSE, OF COURSE, IS, UM, IS, IS TAKING UP THE, UM, THIS WEEK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING UP THE STATE BUDGET.

COMMISSIONER M**K.

WELL, I, I, I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE A REVIEW THAT, UM, WE, WE HERE ON THE COURT RECEIVED, BUT FOR THE, FOR THIS, UM, EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTENING, THE SENATE HAS APPROVED MORE THAN ABOUT 200 BILLS AS OF LAST FRIDAY, OR MAYBE EVEN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YESTERDAY.

I DIDN'T COUNT THOSE.

UM, AND, UM, SPEAKER DUSTIN BURROWS HAS STATED THAT THE FIRST BILL THAT HE THINKS THAT IS GOING TO PASS THE HOUSE WILL BE HOUSE BILL THREE, UM, WHICH WOULD INSTITUTE THE PUBLIC EDUCATION, UM, SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

UM, I WAS ON A CALL, LEGISLATIVE CALL YESTERDAY, UM, WITH THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES, AND THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THAT STATEMENT I JUST MADE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE HAPPENING AS QUICKLY AS, UM, AS DUSTIN BURROUGHS THOUGHT.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.

HE DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT.

HE'S JUST BEEN ATTENDING SOME MEETINGS FOR US.

UM, SO WANTED TO LET

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UM, AND, UM, THAT WILL BE A VERSION OF SENATE BILL ONE, WHICH WILL SUBSTITUTE FOR, UM, AND A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE HOUSE BILL 500 THAT WAS, UM, PRESENTED BY GREG, REPRESENTATIVE GREG BONHAM.

UM, AND THAT WILL INVOLVE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE CURRENT TWO YEAR, UM, BUDGET.

BOTH OF THESE BILLS ARE SCHEDULED FOR A HOUSE VOTE ON APRIL 10TH.

I GUESS THAT'S TOMORROW.

UM, AND AS COMMISSIONER ALANA SAID, I HAD SEVERAL, UM, THINGS THAT WE WILL WAIT AND, AND LET, UM, UM, MARK KIPP AND DAVID BILLINGS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

BUT THE MAIN THING IS, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ELECTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CHRIS IS STILL IN HERE, BUT THERE, I'VE SPOKEN HIM TO HIM, HIM THIS MORNING.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ELECTIONS, UM, BILLS IN THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE, UM, COULD BE INTERESTING FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY.

UM, SOME OF THEM I THINK WE, UM, ARE OPPOSING.

UM, I CAN GO INTO THE DI SPECIFIC ONES, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE RELATE.

ONE OF THEM, UM, WHICH IS BY SENATOR HALL, IS RELATING TO THE ELIMINATION OF COUNTYWIDE POLLING PLACE, UM, PROGRAM.

AND THERE IS ALSO A COMPANION IN THE HOUSE ON THAT, ON BY LOWE CALLED 29 90.

BUT, UM, I WAS GONNA HAVE CHRIS KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE STAT, THE STATUS, AND I GUESS HE'S NOT HERE, SO I'LL JUST PASS IN, NOT TALK ABOUT TOO MANY MORE OF THE ELECTIONS SINCE HE'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

UM, THANK YOU, JUDGE.

UM, WE'VE TALKED THROUGHOUT THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL BILLS, AND I SAW ONE THIS, THIS PAST WEEK THAT I THOUGHT I'LL MENTION.

I APPRECIATE SO MUCH THE MEMBERS OF THIS COURT AND THE MEMBERS, UH, OF THE PUBLIC, THE MAYORS AND OTHERS WHO ARE WORKING SO HARD ON THESE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS.

BUT THE, THE ISSUE WE'VE BEEN HEARING OVER AND OVER IS THIS ISSUE OF LOCAL CONTROL.

AND I SAW A BILL THIS PAST WEEK THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME, AND I JUST WANNA BRING IT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.

JUST SO HOW, HOW INSIDIOUS THIS CONCEPT IS OF, OF, OF REMOVING A LOCAL CONTROL.

IT'S HOUSE BILL 27 15.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, STACY.

IT WAS, UM, IT'S, IT STARTS OUT VERY INNOCUOUS.

IT SAYS THAT, UH, AN OFFICER OF THE STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION SHALL FOLLOW AND EXECUTE THE LAWS OF THIS STATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OFFICER'S OATH OF OFFICE.

WE WOULD ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

YES, SURE, WE WILL.

THAT'S WHY WE TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE.

AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION SAYS THAT NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, THE GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR MAY SUSPEND AN OFFICER OF THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE OFFICER VIOLATED THAT SECTION.

OKAY? SO THE GOVERNOR CAN STEP IN IF HE THINK, IF THIS BILL WERE PASSED, COULD STEP IN AND SAY, I'M GONNA REMOVE LAUREN LICHTY 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE FULFILLING YOUR OATH.

AND WHILE HE DOES THAT, HE CAN PUT SOMEONE ELSE IN MY PLACE, A TEMPORARY, SOME TEMPORARY, SOMEONE TO SERVE, AND UNTIL, UNTIL MY TRIAL IS OVER.

SO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD GIVE ANY STATE OFFICIAL THE GOVERNOR, UH, AS MUCH AS I LIKE HIM, AND I'M A HUGE FAN OF HIS, BUT, AND I'M SURE HE'S NOT BEHIND THIS, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD GIVE THE GOVERNOR THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND JUST REMOVE STATE OR LOCAL OFFICIALS WITHOUT A TRIAL AND WITHOUT ANY IMPACT AND REPLACE SOMEONE IN THAT PERSON'S STEAD, UM, COULD LITERALLY CHANGE THE, THIS WHOLE COUNTY, YOU THINK OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN, AND YOU COULD COME UP WITH A MILLION EXAMPLES.

BUT IF THERE WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THREE PEOPLE ON THIS COURT WHO WERE WANTING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING IN A WAY THAT THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T FEEL FIT, DIDN'T FEEL WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE CHALLENGING, WE'RE ALWAYS GETTING CHALLENGED ON WHAT CAN WE DO LEGALLY, AND WHICH WE LISTEN TO OUR LEGAL ADVICE, AND WE TRY TO DO THINGS CAREFULLY AND APPROPRIATELY, AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO ABIDE BY THAT.

BUT IF HE TOOK THE POSITION, YOU, WE CAN'T THEN COULD BE REMOVED, WHICH COULD HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON WHAT THE COURT DID IN THE INTERIM.

SO I, I JUST POINT THAT OUT, NOT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS BILL IS GONNA PASS OR THINK IT WILL, BUT IT'S JUST HOW DEEPLY ROOTED THIS IDEA IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHEN IN THE FACT THE REALITY IS THE LOCAL, THE, THE PUBLIC IS MOST PROTECTED BY THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSEST TO THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

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UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SEEING THAT.

UM, AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, I HAVE NINE AGENDA ITEMS IN A ROW.

I WILL, I WILL SAVE MY OXYGEN FOR, UH, FOR OTHER THINGS.

OH, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MR. KIPPET, UH, MAYOR BILLINGS, DO YOU WANT TO COME AS WELL? NOPE.

MARK.

MARK MARK'S GOT IT.

GOT IT.

HE GIVES ME TITLE NOW.

AGAIN, ROCKWALL COUNTY BEING THE SMALLEST GEOGRAPHIC COUNTY, WE FUNCTION MORE LIKE A CITY WITH PRECINCTS INSIDE THAT CITY, DIFFERING PRECINCTS.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, I APOLOGIZE TO THE COURT AHEAD OF TIME SINCE I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS GONNA BE SPEAKING.

SO YEAH, THIS IS, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF, LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, FREE FLOW HERE.

UH, SO, UH, FALLOUT FROM STRATEGIC PLAN WAS OF COURSE TO HAVE, UH, LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES, UH, LOCAL CONTROL BEING ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE CONCERNS.

UH, SO WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A SMALL WORKING GROUP, UH, CONSISTS OF REPS FROM EACH OF THE CITIES, UH, AND ALSO, UH, TO THE JUDGE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER GOANA AND DENNIS LONDON.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I POINT OUT DENNIS LONDON, WHO'S DOING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AND ALSO TESTIMONY DOWN IN, UH, AUSTIN.

SO MY ROLE IN THIS IS SIMPLY, UM, CAN MOVE FROM BEING A CAT HERDER TO THE LION HERDER OR LION TAMER SINCE, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM BITE A LOT HARDER THAN INDIVIDUAL CATS.

UM, BUT THE FOCUS OF THE GROUP REALLY IS TO PUT TOGETHER A MASTER SPREADSHEET, WHICH IS 98% COMPLETE RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT EMPHASIZES, LOOKS AT THE BILLS ASSOCIATED WITH LOCAL CONTROL, LAND USE, ZONING, UH, AND THEN ASSOCIATED, ASSOCIATED AUTHORITIES WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD BE INFRINGED, UH, FOR EX FOR EXAMPLE, INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? LAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO INSPECTIONS OF ENGINEERING INSPECTIONS.

POINT BROUGHT UP TODAY, RIGHT? UM, AND, UH, THAT LIST.

AND IT'S EITHER, UH, BOTH, IT BOTH FALL INTO THE SUPPORT AND ALSO OPPOSE WITH A STRONG RATIONALE.

UH, COMMISSIONER LTI, I'LL LOOK AT, MAKE SURE 27 15 IS ON THERE.

I, I THINK TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK IT IS, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

UM, AND THAT SPREADSHEET, UH, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, UH, NOW THE SPREADSHEET'S FULLY BUILT, UH, THAT WILL NOW BE PROVIDED, UH, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT FOR YOUR CONSUMPTION AND EDITS.

OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING YOU THINK OTHER BILLS, THERE'S 7,000 OUT THERE, SO YOU KNOW, WE IN PERFECT.

WE MAY MISS ONE.

UH, LET ME KNOW.

WE'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS ADDED TO THAT, UH, TO THE SPREADSHEET.

UH, THERE ARE 35 BILLS THAT MATTER RIGHT NOW ON THAT SHEET.

I MEAN, BILLS THAT WILL DO REAL IMPACT TO THIS COUNTY POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY, RIGHT? MOST OF THEM ARE NEGATIVE, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THOSE, THAT SAME SPREADSHEET WILL BE PROVIDED TO SENATOR HALL AND, UH, TO REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON'S OFFICE, TO THEIR EXECUTIVE OR TO THEIR LEGISLATIVE, UM, FOLKS, UH, WHO WILL THEN, AND IT'S ALL TIED TO TLOI GET, I GET THAT ACRONYM RIGHT? TLO.

UH, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAGIC OF A COMPUTER, CLICK A BUTTON AND GO RIGHT TO THE BILL.

AND, UH, SO WE'LL BE TRACKING 'EM, TRACKING THIS GROUP.

WE'LL BE TRACKING THAT TO INCLUDE WHAT ONES ARE LIKELY TO COME OUT.

OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL, I NOT ALL WILL SURVIVE, BUT WE HOPE, UH, CERTAINLY ON THAT POSE ONES, EITHER THEY DON'T SURVIVE, THEY GET, WE GET BRACKETED OUT, OR THEY GET, UH, AMENDED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT MAKES IT MORE FAVORABLE.

BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT IF PASSED, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF LOT SIZES, UM, UH, TYPES OF STRUCTURES, DENSITY, UH, THOSE THINGS WILL, WILL JUMP OUT AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BOTH TO OUR CITIES AND ALSO TO THE COUNTY.

SO IS THAT, SO I WOULD HIT ALL THE KEY POINTS THERE, JUDGE, IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT THE GREAT IRONY OF THE FACT THAT WE JUST ADOPTED A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT HAS US LOOKING OUT TO THE YEAR 2050 AND MAKING LONG-TERM VIABLE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEST FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

WE JUST RECEIVED OUR AUDIT, THAT WE GOT A GLOWING REPORT THAT WE ARE FINANCIALLY SOLVENT, CONSERVATIVE, WELL RUN COUNTY, BUT MR. KIPPET IS CORRECT.

ANY, ANY OF THESE BILLS, THERE'S THOSE THAT WE OPPOSE THAT COULD DEGRADATE THE ENTIRE COUNTY WHEN WE REMOVE THE AUTHORITY.

AND A LOT OF THESE ARE CITY BILLS.

AND WHEN YOU GET THE LIST, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY QUESTION WHY ARE WE GETTING SO INVOLVED IN CITY BILLS? UH, AND I WOULD ARGUE

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AND IF YOU ERODE THE LOCAL DECISION MAKING OF THE CITIES, THAT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT, ALMOST IMMEDIATE ON THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

SO WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID HERE, UH, BEHIND THE DIOCESE BEFORE THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY HAS POLITICAL MUSCLE, AND IT'S TIME WE FLEX IT, THAT THIS IS A STEP IN US COMING UP WITH BILLS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE COUNTY, AND, AND AN ATTEMPT TO FLEX OUR MUSCLE WITH, WITH BOTH ELECTED AND CITIZENS OF, OF THINGS THAT NO MATTER HOW WELL RUN WE ARE, THE CONTINUED ATTEMPT TO CONSOLIDATE POWER IN AUSTIN.

I MEAN, THE BILL YOU JUST READ HB 27 15, THAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT A MONARCHY.

I, I I, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT.

YOU, YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON, AND, AND, AND I ECHO I I'M A FAN OF GOVERNOR ABBOTS, BUT YOU HAVE ONE PERSON THAT CAN CONTROL THE ENTIRETY OF THE STATE.

THAT'S, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT ALL AUSTIN, TEXAS.

WE'RE NOT ALL HOUSTON, TEXAS.

THERE, THERE'S 254 COUNTIES WITH 254 PERSONALITIES MM-HMM .

AND 254 DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR LOCAL CITIZENS.

SO, THI THIS IS VITALLY IMPORTANT.

SO WHILE I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I'M HAPPY WITH THE AUDIT.

IF, IF WE IGNORE THIS, THE, THE DECISION MAKING OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THOSE DECISIONS WILL COME OUTTA AUSTIN.

SO TH THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.

UH, SO THA THANK YOU, MR. MAY, MAY I ADD, UH, JUST ADD TWO POINTS, PLEASE.

UH, JUDGE FIRST IS, UH, THINK OF THIS AS A CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S THE 89TH SESSION, RIGHT? THERE'S GONNA BE A 90TH AND A 91ST, AND THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR EFFORT.

UM, AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE ENSURES THAT, UH, DECISIONS AS BAD AS THEY MAY BE, CAN ALWAYS BE FIXED.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSITIVE THING.

SO I MOVING FORWARD.

THE OTHER, THE SECOND IS RELATED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

I JUST WANNA THANK THE COURT FOR, UM, ALL OF ITS HARD WORK AND IMPLEMENTATION.

UH, I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A PRIVILEGE OF MINE TO HELP, UH, GUIDE THAT THING THROUGH, NURTURE IT THROUGH WORK WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

AND I, IT'S BEEN A PHD COURSE FOR ME IN, UH, COUNTY GOVERNMENT, TEXAS COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

UH, SO I'M A BETTER CITIZEN, A BETTER TEXAN NOW, UH, FOR HAVING DONE THIS EFFORT.

UH, SO I THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU, MR. KIPPET.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THE LEGISLATIVE? I THINK JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, JUST SOME SPECIFICS, UM, SINCE WE TALKED KIND OF IN GENERAL ABOUT OUR PLAN OF ATTACK AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THERE'S SPECIFICALLY THE BILLS THAT WE'RE, UM, AFTER, THERE'S A LOT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BILLS.

COME BACK TO NOT ONLY THE COUNTY, BUT ALL THE CITIES FOR RESOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S OUR STRENGTH, THE FACT THAT WE, WE ARE UNITED, UH, UNITED FRONT.

UM, SEVERAL, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

SOME HAVE BRACKETED US OUT, UM, BY POPULATION, BUT SOME HAVE NOT.

AND THEY ALL HAVE, UH, LEGS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE WORKING ON.

UM, NEW ONE THAT WE, WE, UM, HAVE ON OUR LIST IS SB 8 54.

AND THAT JUST SAYS THAT A, A RELIGIOUS ENTITY, UM, CAN BUILD A MULTIFAMILY DWELLING OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT HAVING TO GET APPROVAL, UM, THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THROUGH A CITY.

AND THAT'S DANGEROUS.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MEDIA WITH CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS AROUND.

AND CAN YOU IMAGINE, UM, GIVING THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY, UM, TO A DEVELOPMENT WITH DISREGARD TO WHAT THE CITIZENS MAY WANT AROUND THEM? THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I WANT YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT.

JUDGE, I, I, I WANNA JUST KIND OF FOCUS IF I CAN FOR A MINUTE ON WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? AGAIN, I LAED THE EFFORTS OF EVERYBODY REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS, BUT IN JANUARY, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION ABOUT CERTAIN BILLS.

UM, NOW THEY'VE GONE FROM TO, WHAT, EIGHT, SIX OR 7,000.

DANA, YOU SAID THE BILLS HAVE BEEN ADMITTED.

NINE, 9,000.

SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION BROUGHT TO THE COURT? BECAUSE I THINK IF WE SPEAK WITH UNITY, WE WILL BE BETTER RECEIVED THAT WE CAN THEN DISTRIBUTE TO NOT ONLY OUR SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE, BUT OTHERS.

IS THAT KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED? YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT.

WE, WE ARE LIKE, MR. KIPP SAID, WE ARE 98% COMPLETE WITH THIS LIST.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LIST

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SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE PLAN.

AND THEN, THEN IT'S GONNA BE MONITORING, REALLY.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE ALL SHOULD BE SITTING IN FRONT OF OUR COMPUTERS WATCHING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING WHERE AND HOW, AND WHO WE TALK TO TO BE, TO BE FAIR, COMMISSIONER ALANA IS ALWAYS WATCHING THE STATE LEGISLATOR.

EVERY TIME I WALK IN, I THINK HE'S ON A CONFERENCE CALL AND I POKE MY HEAD IN THERE.

SO THERE, THERE IS SOMEONE DOING THAT.

I JUST WANNA BE FAIR TO BOBBY.

RIGHT? GOOD WORK ON THAT END.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WITH THE SPREADSHEETS YOU HAVE, DO WE HAVE A, A COLUMN THAT TALKS ABOUT WHEN THERE ARE HEARING ME HEARINGS, SO THAT IF, IF I, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD THAT, I CAN LOOK IT UP MYSELF, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK AS WE DO, AS WE DO ANO PASS ANOTHER RESOLUTION.

I THINK ALSO IF THERE ARE HEARINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT FOLKS DOWN THERE THAT ARE INSIDE THOSE MEETINGS TOO.

THAT'S THAT.

SO YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A COLUMN THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

IN, IN THE NEWEST SPREADSHEET, THERE IS A COLUMN THAT SAYS WHETHER IT'S IN COMMITTEE, IF IT'S, IF IT IS IN COMMITTEE, WHAT COMMITTEE.

AND IT'LL BE REAL, REAL EASY, THANK YOU TO FORWARD THE SCHEDULES OF THOSE COMMITTEES.

SO, AND ALL ALONG THAT LINE, UM, I THINK YOU GUYS REMEMBER BACK IN, UM, JANUARY, I TOLD YOU ABOUT IT, UM, WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THE CONFERENCE FOR THE URBAN COUNTIES, FISCAL NOTES ARE REAL IMPORTANT.

WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE, UH, THE RESULTS OF, AND THE INFORMATION FOR FISCAL NOTES ARE REAL IMPORTANT.

SO I KNOW I GAVE, UM, BOTH CAMMY AND, UM, AND, UM, UM, THANK YOU, LISA.

LISA, LISA, I GAVE YOU BOTH ON SOME THIS MORNING.

IT'S MORNING.

IT'S A NEW HIRE.

UM, SOME, SOME ONES TODAY THAT THEY ARE ASKING TAC WAS ASKING FOR HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT OUR LEGISLATORS SOMETIMES DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE.

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US ANOTHER MANDATE THAT IF WE PASS A LAW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCUR ADDITIONAL, UM, EXPENSES TO EXECUTE THAT LAW.

SO THOSE ARE, I, I, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE, UH, RECENTLY RECEIVED FROM, UH, KATRINA PEARSON'S OFFICE MM-HMM .

OF THAT EXACT QUESTION.

HEY, HERE'S THIS BILL, DOES THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT TO THE COUNTY? GOOD.

UM, SO I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY WE'RE MOVING INTO THAT.

GOOD, UH, PROCEEDING, THE VOTING ON THE BILL, GETTING THE INFORMATION.

SO HAPPY.

WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

HAPPY WITH THAT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? MM-HMM.

IF NOT, WE

[6. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM ADDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER GUANA, WELCOME SAL AS I, BUT, UH, SO PROGRESS IS BEING MADE.

UM, MOST OF THE MECHANICAL DUCTING IS NOW ON SITE, UH, HAS NOT ALL BEEN INSTALLED, BUT IT IS ALL UP IN THE THIRD FLOOR NOW.

UM, DRYWALL'S ABOUT 30% DONE AND, AND DELIVERED INTO THE, UH, THE SPACE AS WELL.

UM, THE MOST RECENT UPDATE WE HAVE IS THAT THE, UH, THE DESIGN DRAWINGS FOR THE REVISION AROUND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, UM, WERE RECEIVED YESTERDAY MORNING.

UH, SO NOW HILL WILKINSON CAN GET THAT PRICE MOVING.

UH, THE SECOND THING THAT WE'RE WAITING ON IS HILL WILKINSON TO GIVE US PRICES ON THE ALTERNATE, UH, WHICH WAS SIMPLIFYING THE MILLWORK.

UH, WHICH SHOULD BE A DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATE OF, UH, WE THINK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND $150,000, DEPENDING WHERE IT COMES IN.

SO, UM, THAT IS A GUESSTIMATE.

THAT IS NOT A PROMISE , IT'S ALL GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT THE PRICING COMES BACK FROM THEM.

UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SALVADOR? NO, MY QUESTION, UM, MY QUESTION IS FOR COMMISSIONER ALANA.

UM, WE'RE IN BOTH OMNIBUS BILLS.

WE'RE IN BOTH.

YES, WE ARE.

AND WE'VE, AND ARE HEARINGS SET FOR THOSE OMNIBUS BILLS? NOT THAT I'VE SEEN YET, NO.

BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH OMNIBUS YES.

AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

BUT, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

OKAY, GOOD.

THAT'S, AND WE'LL STAY ON, WE'LL STAY ON TOP OF IT WHEN HEARINGS HAPPEN.

UM, I'LL BE THERE, JUST, I KNOW THAT LEGISLATIVE COURTROOM, THOSE OVERLAP, BUT WE ARE BUILDING THE COURTROOMS. YEAH.

BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO LEGISLATIVELY GET A COURT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON FOCUSED AND BEING HONEST AND TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC THAT OUR GOAL IS WE'RE BUILDING THIS COURTROOM BECAUSE WE EXPECT THE LEGISLATURE TO GIVE US ANOTHER DISTRICT JUDGE, UH, THE 503RD DISTRICT.

SO ANYWAYS, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT COMMENT.

THANK YOU, SAL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SALVADOR? THANK YOU, SIR.

ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE PLAN COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

NO ACTION NEEDED THERE.

SO WE WILL GO TO AGENDA

[7. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the planned County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY AND NICO IS LOADING UP HIS REPORT.

GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.

NEW AND COMMISSIONERS.

FOR EVERYONE LISTENING IN.

MY NAME IS NICO PARKS.

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I'M WITH PROTESTANT ASSOCIATES, THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE BUILDING ANNEX FOR MY CONSTRUCTION UPDATE.

UH, I'LL START OFF WITH SAFETY.

THERE HAS BEEN NO INJURIES ON SITE.

UH, DAILY INSPECTIONS ARE BEING CONDUCTED REGULARLY AND THE SAFETY PLAN IS BEING ENFORCED.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER BUDGET, UM, OPERATING WELL WITHIN THE CONTINGENCIES AND ALLOWANCES AS OUTLINED IN THE GMP CONTRACT.

UH, WE ARE STILL ON SCHEDULE WITH NO DELAYS TO REPORT ON, UH, THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON PRIMARILY GETTING THE METERS AND THE UTILITY SERVICES SET UP.

UM, PERMANENT POWER HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED ON SITE.

UH, GAS IS STILL PENDING.

UM, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT THIS WEEK.

UH, THE FRAMING AND BUILD OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES IS WELL UNDERWAY AND LARGELY COMPLETE.

UM, 90% OF THE CAT SIX DATA CABLING IS, HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

UM, THE ADHERED STONE IS UP ABOVE 90% COMPLETE.

SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU'LL SEE THE SCAFFOLDING START TO COME OFF SITE.

UH, THEY HAVE STARTED WINDOW FLASHINGS AND INSTALLATION.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE ACTIVITIES WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

UM, FINISHING CONCRETE FLAT WORK IS A BIG ACTIVITY.

UM, THAT ONE'S KIND OF BEEN LINGERING.

SO NEXT WEEK, UH, FOUR 16 TENTATIVELY, UH, WE WILL FINISH THE FIRE LANE, DO THE SIDEWALKS, AND THEN THE COURTHOUSE ENTRANCE.

AND THAT SHOULD ALL BE IN ONE MOBILIZATION.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE SEALED CONCRETE INSTALLATION COMING UP.

UH, JUST, JUST THE SEALER COAT, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, THE ACOUSTICAL CEILINGS, HARD LID CEILINGS HAVE ALREADY STARTED, BUT THEY WILL CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF STOREFRONTS.

THE STOREFRONTS ARE ON SITE.

THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE HARDWARE TO SHOW UP.

UM, BUT THOSE WILL INSTALL VERY SOON.

UM, THERE IS PERMANENT, UH, PERMANENT POWER TO THE RTUS ALREADY.

UM, SO WE'LL DO THE STARTUP, UH, THIS WEEK.

HOPEFULLY ONCE THE ALL THE WINDOWS ARE IN AND SEALED, UH, THEY'LL BEGIN THE STARTUP OF THE RTUS.

UH, ALSO THE WATER HEATER AND THE BOOSTER PUMP ARE GOING TO BE SET.

UM, IN TERMS OF PROCUREMENT, UH, LIGHT FIXTURES ARE ON SITE.

THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED VERY SOON AS THE CEILINGS GO IN.

UH, STOREFRONT HARDWARE IS COMING.

THE DFW DOOR HARDWARE, UM, IS ALSO COMING VERY SOON.

DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE.

UM, THE PREFAB METAL CANOPIES ON THE EXTERIOR WILL ARRIVE ON SITE MONDAY TO START GETTING THOSE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ENCORE METER WAS SET, UH, AS WE HAVE PERMANENT POWER, UM, QUALITY ASSURANCE, QUALITY CONTROL WISE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE PASSED THE, THE GAS INSPECTION.

WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE METER NOW, UH, TO GET THAT GAS SERVICE UP AND RUNNING.

UM, THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE LINE, UH, PAST INSPECTION, UH, THE FIRE SPRINKLER AND PAST INSPECTION AS WELL.

UH, THE NEXT INSPECTION WE'LL BE LOOKING AT GETTING IS THE ENERGY INSPECTION.

UM, THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS, QUALITY CONTROL WISE.

UM, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE.

THIS IS THE TAX OFFICE WITH THE COUNTER SUPPORTS.

THESE ARE A LITTLE OUTDATED.

UM, THEY'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS SINCE THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN.

BUT, UH, THIS IS A BACK, BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE TAX OFFICE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED, UM, IS THAT THE, NOT SURE WHAT FACING ELEVATION THIS IS, BUT THIS IS THE LAST ELEVATION TO BE COMPLETED ON THE ADHERED STONE.

THEN THEY'LL BE DE DEMOBILIZING THAT SCAFFOLDING.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE HARD LID, UH, CEILING GRID GOING IN HERE AT ONE OF THE ENTRANCES.

UH, THEY'VE GOT THE DRYWALL TAPE TAPED IN BED, UH, WITH THE DRYWALL TRIMS FOR THE CONTROL JOINTS IN PLACE.

HERE'S A NICE PICTURE OF THE STONE ON THE EXTERIOR.

SO THINGS ARE GOING VERY WELL.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR AN UPDATE.

ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER ALANA AND LISA'S TEAM.

UM, WALKING INTO,

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UH, GETTING THE POWER AND THE GAS WAS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

UM, BUT LUCKILY WE HAD, UM, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND COMMISSIONER GOANA JUMP ON THE POWER FOLKS TO GET PERMANENT POWER, AND, UM, WORKED WITH, UH, UH, THE FOLKS AT ATMOS TO GET GAS.

I WAS AL ALSO WANT TO THANK MARY SMITH, WHO IS THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

HER AND I HAD TO HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THE GAS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT WAS NOT WHAT I EXPECTED MY MONDAY LAST TO BE.

AND THAT WAS ALL I DID ALL DAY ON MONDAY, WAS TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE EVER GONNA GET GAS AND ELECTRICITY TO THIS BUILDING.

SO I CANNOT THANK THE EFFORTS ENOUGH.

WE AVERTED A CRISIS.

SO I JUST WANNA SAY I AM EXTREMELY EXCITED AND I'M GLAD THAT EVERYONE WAS VERY ATTENTIVE.

SO JUST THANK LISA AND EVERYONE IN YOUR OFFICE THAT WORKED ON THIS.

NICO, UM, HILL AND WILKINSON, BOBBY, THE POWER POOL, ENCORE ATMOS, THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

IT WAS A MESS.

IT WAS CRAZY.

WE GOT THROUGH IT.

SO I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, NICO.

THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

UH, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING REQUIRES ACTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER COMING UP SHORTLY ON THE AGENDA.

UH, WITH

[8. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff’s remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY? YES.

I'LL KICK THIS TO NICO AS WELL.

UM, THE ONLY REAL UPDATE TO GIVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THE BUDGET AND THE DESIGN.

UH, FINAL DESIGN DOCUMENTS ARE LARGELY COMPLETE.

THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO IRON OUT STILL, BUT, UH, WE'RE GETTING THERE.

AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THE FINAL GMP, UH, IN FRONT OF COURT IN MAY, WHICH AGAIN, COMMISSIONER LTI WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE A GMP PRESENTATION, BUT YES.

WORKSHOP ON SITE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT I'LL LOOK INTO IT.

EITHER WAY, ANY, ANY TOUR AND ANY AVAILABILITY WE CAN WORK WITH, UH, PARK HILL AND BROADEST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT.

SO MAYBE WE WOULD DO TOURS BEFORE THE WORKSHOP.

YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT.

THANK

[9. Discuss/Act on approving Proposed Change Order No. 33 to the agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction Group for the Rockwall County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy]

YOU, NICO.

THAT'LL BRING US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 33 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY? YES.

UM, THIS IS COMING OUT OF OUR IT ALLOWANCE, AND IT IS TO HAVE, UM, OUR DURESS AND PANIC BUTTONS, UH, WORK .

IT'S REALLY PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

YEAH, I LIKE THAT SUMMATION.

IT ACTUALLY CALLS SOMEONE INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING A NOISE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WAS THAT BEING ACCURATE? UH, SUMMARY, THAT WAS VERY ACCURATE.

IT'S, IT'S WIRELESS TOO.

AND IT IS WIRELESS .

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 33 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

I'LL SECOND GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

ALL

[10. Discuss/Act on a bid by Promaster Electric for $14,530 to study the generator of the Rockwall County Sheriff Department and all related issues, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

THAT BRINGS US THANK TO AGENDA ITEM 10.

THANK YOU, NICO.

DISCUSS AND ACT ON A BID BY PROMASTER ELECTRIC FOR $14,530 TO STUDY THE GENERATOR OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY? UM, WE'VE WHOLLY CAPTURED ALL RELATED ISSUES.

YEAH, WE DID.

WE GOT IT COMPLETELY CAPTURED IN THAT.

SO, SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS AT ITS BASICS IS WE ARE GOING TO STUDY WHAT'S ACTUALLY PLUGGED IN TO THE GENERATOR AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO THAT WHEN WE GO INTO THE REMODEL, WE KNOW FOR SURE, WITHOUT A DOUBT WHAT CIRCUITS ARE BEING BACKED UP AND WHAT CIRCUITS ARE NOT BEING BACKED UP.

THIS IS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL REITERATIONS AND SEVERAL REMODELS DONE, AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE SET THIS BUILDING RIGHT, WE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING.

IT'S, IT, IT REALLY IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

IF BARRY WANTS TO FILL STUFF IN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT'S A STUDY OF THE CIRCUITRY SO THAT WE KNOW, UM, THERE IS SOME DOWNSTREAM ITEMS WITH THAT, SUCH AS, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT PUTTING BAT LIGHTS ON BATTERY BACKUP, UH, IN THE DESIGN.

WELL, IS THAT CIRCUIT BEING ON THE GENERATOR OR DOES IT NEED BATTERY BACKUP? SO THERE IS SOME DESIGN THINGS THAT THERE, THAT IS, UH, CREATING SOME UNCERTAINTY, AND IT JUST MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US TO STUDY IT, TO FIGURE IT OUT, TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE FINAL DESIGN DOCUMENTS AND THE FINAL PHASING OF THAT GENERATOR, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHOUT

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A QUESTION IN OUR MINDS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

SO IS THE, IS THE 14,530, THAT'S TO STUDY IT? AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY KIND OF INEFFICIENCIES OR SO FORTH, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE AT THAT TIME AS WELL AT THE REMODEL? YES.

WHEN WE GET INTO THE BUDGET, THIS IS, THIS IS COMING FROM OUR CURRENT CONTINGENCY.

THIS IS AN UNEXPECTED AMOUNT.

THIS ISN'T COMING OUT OF THE PROJECT.

THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M TRYING TO GET DONE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING AND SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE A SORT OF MASTER PLAN ON HOW THIS ALL WORKS GOING FORWARD.

UNLIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS IN THE PAST.

THAT IS CORRECT.

GREAT.

COMMISSIONER STACEY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

UM, WILL THE CIRCUITS ALL NEED TO BE REPLACED ANYWAY THAT WE'RE STUDYING? IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS A REMODEL.

SO IT ISN'T COMPLETELY, AND THERE IS AN IDEA THAT MAYBE THIS IS BACKED UP, MAYBE THIS ISN'T BACKED UP.

THIS, THIS VERIFIES THAT WORK.

WE THINK WE KNOW.

UM, BUT THE LAST TIME WE FIRED IT UP, NOT EVERYTHING FIRED UP THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD'VE FIRED UP WITH, WITH THE GENERATOR.

SO, UM, IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING FROM, LET'S JUST SAY, APPARATUS ACTUALLY INTO THE GENERATOR INSTEAD OF US BELIEVING THAT THAT APPARATUS IS ACTUALLY PLUGGED INTO THE GENERATOR.

SO WE ARE NOT UNPLUGGING EVERY SINGLE THING, AND WE'RE NOT REDOING EVERY SINGLE CIRCUIT IN THE REMODEL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT, WELL, IT KIND OF DOES.

AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I KNOW WHEN YOU GET INTO REMODELS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN MM-HMM .

UM, BUT IF WE THOUGHT WE'D BE REPLACING THEM ALL ANYWAY, I WOULD QUESTION WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

BUT IF WE DON'T THINK THAT, THEN CORRECT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE BID BY PRO MASTER ELECTRIC FOR $14,530 TO STUDY THE GENERATOR OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT.

AND I WILL SECOND, GOT MY MOTION.

GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR A CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR THE COUNTY LIBRARY USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 0.024, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[11. Discuss/Act on Authorizing Maintenance and Operations Director to work on a contract with Parkhill for a Capital Program for the County Library using Discretionary Exemptions from Local Government Code 262.024 and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana – Commissioner Stacy)]

THIS HAS COMMISSIONER GOANA AND STACY ON IT.

SO, COURT, WE DID, UM, CO-WRITE A LETTER THAT WE ATTACHED TO ALL THESE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, THIS IS A PLANNING EFFORT.

THIS ISN'T A SPENDING EFFORT.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ENGAGE PARK HILL TO HELP US COME UP WITH A PLAN.

I'M GONNA KIND OF COMBINE THESE THREE IN A VERY OVERARCHING LEVEL, IS WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN WITH FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE ON THESE ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN COME FORWARD AT BUDGET TIME AND SAY, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, WE HAVE A PLAN, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA COST, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH THESE FOR THE COURT TO SAY, YES, WE WANNA FUND THOSE, OR NO, WE DON'T WANNA FUND THOSE.

SO, SO THIS IS JUST, UM, WE DIDN'T WANT, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DIRECTOR GOING AND GETTING THESE PROPOSALS WITHOUT BLESSINGS FROM THE COURT BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME, EFFORT.

AND IF THE COURT DOESN'T WANT US TO APPROACH ONE OR THE OTHER, THEN UM, THEN WE DON'T DO IT.

I WILL JUST SAY REALLY QUICKLY, THE LIBRARY IS A 20-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.

WE NEED TO START LOOKING DEEPLY INTO THAT.

UM, ON THE, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, WE KNOW THAT ADULT PROBATION IS, WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER, UH, DISTRICT COURT THAT IS GONNA CREATE SOME SORT OF TENSION IN THE ADULT PROBATION.

I WILL SAY IT IS, IN MY OPINION, AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.

I WANT THAT ON THE RECORD.

WE HAVE TO SUPPLY ADULT PROBATION EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T PAY THEIR SALARIES.

UM, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOME ISSUES IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE, WHICH INCLUDE THE ATRIUM THAT HAS A MAJOR TEMPERATURE, DROPS AND SWINGS.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE DA EXPANSION.

AND THEN, UH, SOME PROGRAMMING WITH THE LIGHTING.

SO I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER ALANA.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE GENERAL, UM, IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE AFTER WITH THIS IS WE, UM, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE HEADED, UM, WITH THESE PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW ARE COMING, UH, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, WELL BEFORE WE GET INTO BUDGET, SO THAT WE CAN, WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK, UM, TO WORK AROUND.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITH ANY OF THESE ITEMS, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, IT JUST MEANS WE'LL HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COST US AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH.

IT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT FACILITIES WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE.

TELL ME ABOUT DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS.

SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS WITHOUT GOING TO BID.

WELL, IS THAT CONTINGENCY OR IS THAT, WELL, WE'RE NOT FUNDING ANYTHING YET, BUT WE'RE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ENGAGING THEM UNDER THE EXEMPTION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO BID AND, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK WITH AT LEAST A DOLLAR AMOUNT IF NOT A CONTRACT.

I, I, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM?

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AND LISA, DID I GIVE THAT ENOUGH? OKAY.

PERFECT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTION? I THINK THAT'S THE BIG WORDS THAT HAD THE ENTIRE COURT FOCUSING ON .

WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHERE'S THE MONEY COME FROM? YEP.

BRING US TO AGENDA ITEM 12, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR ADULT PROBATION USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 0.024.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

ON ITEM 11, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE A MAINTENANCE OPERATION DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR A CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR THE COUNTY LIBRARY USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 0.024.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THAT'LL

[12. Discuss/Act authorizing Maintenance and Operations Director to work on a contact with Parkhill for Adult Probation using Discretionary Exemptions from Local Government Code 262.024 and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana – Commissioner Stacy)]

AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER ALANA AND STACY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY STATE WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GOANA SAID.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY OR THAT WE'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH ADULT PROBATION.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEEDS OF ADULT PROBATION ARE GOING TO BE IN OUR LONG-TERM AND SHORT-TERM FUTURE, AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND, AND, AND OTHER THINGS.

WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

SO ANYWAYS, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT EXPLANATION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, AUTHORIZE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR ADULT PROBATION USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPT EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 0.024.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GANA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MLU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THAT BRINGS US

[13. Discuss/Act on Authorizing Maintenance and Operations Director to work on a contract with Parkhill for the New Courthouse using Discretionary Exemptions from Local Government Code 262.024 and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana – Commissioner Stacy)]

TO AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR THE NEW COURTHOUSE USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 0.024.

UH, AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL THE DA EXPANSION, UH, LIGHTING PROGRAMMING, AND THE ATRIUM IS GONNA BE THE FOCUS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.

WHAT ARE THESE COSTS GONNA BE? WHAT DOES THE PROGRAMMING NEED TO BE, UM, IS THE FOCUS OF THIS.

WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? PLEASE, JUDGE.

UM, REMIND ME, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE MOVEMENT WITH BOTH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THAT I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I THOUGHT WE PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT INTO THE DA'S OFFICE.

WE DID NOT.

IT IS NOT FUNDED.

I I'M SURE IT'S NOT IF YOU'VE GOT IT ON HERE, BUT I'M JUST MEMORY.

WE, WE, WE HAVE A DRAWING OF WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE, COINCIDENTALLY ENOUGH THAT WAS DONE BY PARK HILL.

SO ENGAGING THEM ON FIGURING OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FINISH THEIR DRAWING IS NOT BY ACCIDENT.

UM, AND, AND, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, I TH THIS IS ALSO KIND OF ENCOMPASSING THE IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE ATRIUM AND WHAT IDEAS WE COULD INCORPORATE.

I DON'T, THAT IS REALLY, IM IMPORTANT TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THERE IN THE WINTER OR THE SUMMER.

UM, IT IS REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT TO KEEP OUR ENTRYWAY OF THAT COURTHOUSE TEMPERATURE.

I WILL BE ANXIOUS TO SEE IF THERE IS A SOLUTION FOR THAT, AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE, WHICH IS WHY WE WANNA ENGAGE THEM TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE START SPENDING MONEY AND CHASING RABBITS.

YEAH, THERE MIGHT NOT BE, OR IT MIGHT BE, UH, MORE THAN WE'RE WILLING TO, TO BITE OFF, BUT WE NEED TO FIND OUT THAT'S, THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

JUDGE, CAN I JUST CONFIRM, UM, THAT THE CONTRACTS THEMSELVES WILL COME BACK TO THIS COURT? 100%.

YES, MA'AM.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE ACT ON AUTHORIZING THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION DIRECTOR TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL FOR THE NEW, UM, COURTHOUSE USING DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

CODE 2 6 2 0 2 4.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 14, DISCUSSION OF THE 2 87 G PROGRAM, EXPANSION AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[14. Discussion of the 287(G) Program expansion, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy-Sheriff Garrett)]

COMMISSIONER STACY AND SHERIFF GARRETT? YEAH, WE HAVE CHIEF, CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT IS CHIEF.

DEPUTY MCKNIGHT IS GONNA STAND IN.

UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO THE COURT, THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION ONLY.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COME IN AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THIS PROGRAM.

SO WITH THAT CHIEF, I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.

WELL, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS INCREASE OUR PARTNERSHIP OR EXPAND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH ICE.

IT'S KIND OF GOING TO ACT AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER BETWEEN LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ICE.

CURRENTLY, WE

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OPERATE THE JAIL MODEL PROGRAM IN OUR JAIL WHERE WE ASSIST ICE WITH PUTTING DETAINERS ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS JUST HOLDS THEM.

SO WHEN THEY'RE DONE GOING THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS LOCALLY, ICE COMES, PICKS 'EM UP, AND THEN DOES THE DEPORTATION PROCESS.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND EXPAND THE PROGRAM, ADD A WARRANT SERVICE OFFICER PROGRAM, AND A TASK FORCE, UH, OFFICER PROGRAM.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE, A DIFFERENT, UM, TWIST TO IT, THE WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM.

WE'RE GONNA ADMINISTER THAT IN THE JAIL.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS THE DETENTION OFFICERS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, TO GO AHEAD AND EXECUTE THE WARRANTS IN THE JAIL, AND THEN, OF COURSE, FOLLOW THE PROCESS, UH, AS USUAL.

AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE TASK FORCE MODEL, WHICH GIVES US WHO ARE IN THE FIELD A TOOL THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY, IF WE RUN ACROSS, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S SUSPECTED OF BEING AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, THEN YOU CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS, YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM, AND THEN YOU CAN DETAIN THEM IF YOU, IF IT'S FOUND THAT THEY ARE HERE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, AND THEY'RE A CRIMINAL, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

SO IT JUST EXPANDS THE PROGRAM.

WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MOUS IN PLACE.

UH, ICE IS GONNA PROVIDE THE TRAINING SO THERE'S NO COST TO, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN WE'LL JUST EXECUTE THE PROGRAM.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE AN INFLUX OF, UH, INMATES IN THE JAIL BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM.

IT JUST GIVES US ANOTHER TOOL TO USE IN THE FIELD.

WE HAVE IN THE PAST RUN ACROSS SOME, UH, INDIVIDUALS IN THE FIELD WHO WE SUSPECTED WERE ILLEGAL INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

BUT WHEN YOU CAN'T PROVE UP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMINAL ILLEGAL STATUS.

SO OF THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU JUST HAD TO SEND 'EM ON DOWN THE ROAD.

SO IT GIVES US A TOOL TO USE.

SO YEAH, ANY BUDGETARY IMPACT.

SO ICE PAYS FOR THE TRAINING? YES, SIR.

UH, AND, AND DOES THIS, WILL THIS REQUIRE ANY EXTRA TIME? ANY OVERTIME? UH, PROBABLY SHOULD NOT.

I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO AVOID IT.

UM, MOST OF THE TRAINING'S GONNA BE IN-HOUSE.

THEY'LL PROVIDE THE TRAINERS OR THE ONLINE TRAINING, UH, THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED OUT WITH ICE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THIS, UH, ACROSS THE, THE COUNTRY.

SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

BUT YES, IT SHOULDN'T INVOLVE ANY MORE FUNDING, SO.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT? I, I HAVE ONE.

UM, THIS IS, ISN'T THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE LAW THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW, SENATE BILL EIGHT? UM, BECAUSE IF I READ THAT RIGHT MM-HMM .

AND IT PASSES, WHICH IT PROBABLY WILL, THEN WE HAVE TO DO THIS ANYWAY, DON'T WE? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE'S GRANTS IN THERE FOR EDUCATION FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT YEAH.

AS PART OF IT, CORRECT.

AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE FINER DETAILS OF THAT.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY, I THINK THERE, THINK THERE, AND I JUST ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO LOOK AT IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.

IT SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT IS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IF THE SENATE BILL AID PASSES ANYWAY, SO IT, IT IS.

THAT'S IT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

THANK YOU CHIEF DEPUTY ALL.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 15, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPOINTMENT OF NICOLE HAHN AS A MEMBER OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT THREE, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE THREE, SECTION TWO OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, BYLAWS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[15. Discuss/Act on appointment of Nichol Hahn as a member of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board as a representative of Precinct 3, pursuant to Article III, Section 2 of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board Bylaws, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, NICOLE, UH, HAS SERVED, UM, IN THIS CAPACITY.

THIS WOULD BE, UH, REELECTING HER APPOINTMENT.

UM, SHE DID CALL ME AND SAY SHE WANTS TO BE, UM, REELECTED TO THE LIBRARY BOARD.

SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT NICOLE HAH TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD IS REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT FOUR.

SO THE, UH, AGENDA HAS HER AS REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT THREE, AND IT SAYS ALL RELATED ISSUES, SO, OKAY.

GOT IT.

SO THE ISSUE IS SHE NEEDS TO BE PRECINCT FOUR.

WELL, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, ALL SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

UH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY ONLY COMMENT IS DOES THE COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE ACCEPT THAT? SO, UH, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, THIS PASSES FOR FIVE TO ZERO.

[16. Discuss/Act on appointment of Bev Stibbens as a member of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board as a representative of Precinct 3, pursuant to Article III, Section 2 of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board Bylaws, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]

AND MARYANNE WEBSTER WANNA MOVE TO PRECINCT THREE.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSS AN ACT ON AN APPOINTMENT OF BEV STUBBINS AS A MEMBER OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT THREE, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE THREE, SECTION TWO OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, BYLAWS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER LTI, UM, BEVERLY STEBBENS AS PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE LIBRARY BOARD.

SHE IS CURRENTLY THE INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR IN THE CITY OF MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM.

SHE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND, UH, I THINK SHE'LL DO A FABULOUS JOB.

AND JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I AM REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT BOTH, UM, NICOLE HAHN

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, WE'VE GOT IT GOING THERE.

YOU, YOU ARE JUST ATTRACTING ALL KINDS OF, WE, WE GOT IT GOING DOWN THERE, .

YOU DO.

WELL DONE, SIR.

SO WE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT BEVERLY STUBBINS AS A MEMBER OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT THREE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE APPOINTMENT OF MARIANNE WEBSTER AS A MEMBER OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT THREE, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE THREE, SECTION TWO OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, BYLAWS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[17. Discuss/Act on appointment of Mary Ann Webster as a member of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board as a representative of Precinct 3, pursuant to Article III, Section 2 of the Rockwall County Library Advisory Board Bylaws, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]

COMMISSIONER M**K.

UH, THIS IS ALSO A REAPPOINTMENT, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY SAID.

MARYANNE HAS BEEN SERVING IN THAT, UM, FOR, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT TWO.

UM, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEAR, FOR ANOTHER TERM.

UM, SHE, SHE VOLUNTEERS EVERY WEEK AT THE LIBRARY.

IN ADDITION TO HER, HER, HER SERVICES ON THIS BOARD.

SHE IS AN AVID READER AND, AND SUPPORTS OUR, OUR FINAL ARTS AS FAR AS THE, HERE IN ROCKWELL AND OUR LIBRARY.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO, UM, SEE HER, UM, GET ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE REAPPOINT MARYANNE WEBSTER TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD FOR A TERM FOR, UM, MAY 2ND, 2025 TO APRIL, 2027 AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRECINCT TWO.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

[18. Discuss/Act on entering into an agreement with One CommunityUSA for rehabilitation services at the County Detention Center, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik – Sheriff)]

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 18, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE COMMUNITY USA FOR REHABILITATION SERVICES AT THE COUNTY DETENTION CENTER, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER M**K AND THE SHERIFF, WHICH CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE A WHOLE, WHOLE HOST OF GUESTS HERE TODAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT THE PROGRAM FROM, UM, I GUESS THEY'RE MORE EDUCATED ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAN I AM.

BUT WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK YOU FOR TODAY IS FOR THE FUNDING.

WE HAVE A, UH, FUNDING SOURCE, WHICH IS A, UH, OPIOID RELIEF FUND, WHICH BACK IN, I BELIEVE IS 2020.

2021.

BASICALLY, MONEY WAS AWARDED AS A RESULT OF A LAWSUIT, UM, OF BIG PHARMA.

AND IT WAS, IT'S ANTICIPATED 26 BILLION IS GONNA BE PAID OUT.

AND OVER THE COURSE OF NINE TO 19 YEARS, IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS 50 BILLION TO STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES FOR OPIOID EDUCATION AND AWARENESS.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED BY, UH, ONE COMMUNITY USA, AND IT'S CALLED PATHWAYS OF HOPE.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND FACILITATE THIS PROGRAM WITH OUR INMATES.

THE INMATES ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE SELECTED AND IDENTIFIED.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE GOOD CANDIDATES.

IT'S BASICALLY A, UH, REENTRY PROGRAM INTO THE COMMUNITY AFTER HAVING A STINT IN OUR NICE HOTEL THAT WE HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT AND BECOME PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS.

AND WE HAVE THE OPIOID RELIEF FUND, WHICH, UH, I THINK THE COST IS ABOUT $45,000.

AND WE HAVE WELL OVER, I THINK, 60,000 IN THAT FUND.

LISA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

CHIEF, IT'S 63 6 OR 63,000.

IT'S, IT'S EARNED A LITTLE INTEREST OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A WHILE.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO THINK OF A GOOD WAY TO USE THAT FUND.

WE DID NOT WANT TO USE IT PREVIOUSLY.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

WE'RE GONNA SPEND 45,000 FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND THEN WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT WAYS TO SPEND THE REMAINDER, UH, OF THAT.

AND HOPEFULLY IN, IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UH, THE DANGERS OF OPIOIDS.

BUT WITH THAT, WHAT I WANNA DO IS I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE REAL QUICK RODIE TO YOU.

SHE'S ONE OF OUR DETENTION OFFICERS, AND WE HAVE ONE WHO STAYED BACK THERE AT THE BACK, WHO IS, UH, VERY INVOLVED IN OUR PROGRAMS. THAT'S OUR SERGEANT, UH, DE ARMAS.

AND BOTH OF THESE FINE DETENTION OFFICERS ARE INVOLVED IN ADMINISTERING SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS IN THE JAIL.

AND, UH, I JUST THINK IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO GIVE THEM SOME RECOGNITION FOR THAT.

AND THEN WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO IAN AND STEVE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ONE COMMUNITY, USA.

AND WITH ME IS STEVE ALIANT, AND HE HELPS TO OVERSEE OUR PATHWAYS TO HOPE, UH, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND REENTRY PROGRAM.

AND, UM, EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR US, INCLUDING STEVE, IS EITHER RETIRED POLICE OR RETIRED, UH, MILITARY OR BOTH.

STEVE WAS

[01:40:01]

25 YEARS.

25 YEARS WITH DPD.

UM, I CAN TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

SO DO YOU WANNA START WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR THREE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.

PERFECT.

, IS IT BETTER IF I GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OR DO YOU WANNA ASK ME SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HOW AN OVERVIEW WOULD BE? GREAT.

SO THE ORGANIZATION'S ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD.

WE HAVE TWO PRIMARY PROGRAMS. ONE IS PATHWAYS TO HOPE, WHICH IS OUR REENTRY PROGRAM.

THE OTHER IS CALLED, UH, SHOP TALK.

IT'S A PROGRAM WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGH BARBERSHOPS AND BEAUTY SALONS IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, LATINO, AND ASIAN COMMUNITIES.

IT'S ABOUT BRINGING LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER, CREATING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH.

WE'RE IN A HUNDRED SHOPS, 11 CITIES APPROXIMATELY, UM, ON THAT PROGRAM.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AS A REENTRY PROGRAM.

BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS OUR STAFF GOES AND VISITS WITH THE INMATES, UH, UM, WEEKLY IN THE JAIL.

UM, WHEN WE ROUGHLY EVERY TWO MONTHS, EVERY EIGHT WEEKS, WE DO A ONE WEEK LONG, UM, PRE-RELEASE, UM, UH, REENTRY CLASS IN THE JAIL.

UM, THE EIGHT WEEKS WILL BE ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT ONCE WE GET TO KNOW THE POPULATION, IT'S BASICALLY GENERATED, OR THAT TIMING IS BASED ON HOW QUICKLY THAT POPULATION ROLLS OVER.

THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO TAKING THE CLASS TWICE.

SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE CLASS AGAIN.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THIS IN A FEW OTHER JAILS AND IN THE PROCESS OF GOING INTO, I THINK SIX OTHERS AS WELL, PRIMARILY IN THE DFW AREA.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, MIDLAND COUNTY AND A COUPLE COUNTIES OUT THERE AS WELL.

UM, I SERVE ON THE TEXAS JAIL ASSOCIATION'S PROGRAMMING AND REENTRY COMMITTEE.

AND THROUGH THAT I'M WORKING TO ACTUALLY LOOK TO, UM, CREATE A STANDARDIZED PROGRAMMING MODEL FOR ALL JAILS ACROSS THE STATE.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF IT, BUT ONLY AN ELEMENT OF IT.

UM, EXPECT THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE'LL BE PUTTING THIS IN AS MANY OF THE 252 COUNTY JAILS IN THE STATE AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND THEN FI ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIVE YEARS ROUGHLY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO EXPAND IT BEYOND TEXAS.

SO MAYBE I'LL PAUSE THERE.

QUESTIONS FOR IAN? UM, I DO, YES, SIR.

FIRST OF ALL, VERY HAPPY YOU'RE DOING THIS.

UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I HAD SOMEONE FROM MY PRECINCT CONTACT ME ABOUT A MONTH AGO THAT WANTED TO WORK IN THIS AREA AND DO SOMETHING.

IS THERE A NUMBER WHERE I COULD GIVE THIS PERSON TO CONTACT YOU TO SEE IF SHE COULD FIT WITHIN YOUR PROGRAM? YEAH, I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD IF I MAY, AND YOU CAN HAVE 'EM CALL DIRECTLY IF YOU GIVE.

I'LL DO THAT.

OKAY, I'LL DO THAT.

UM, THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, IN THE CONTRACT.

UM, IN THE CONTRACT, UM, THERE'S A CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION AND I, I THINK WE'RE APPROVING THIS CONTRACT TODAY.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO? SO THERE'S A CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION, UM, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW ALL THAT GOES INTO CONFIDENTIALITY IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

PARAGRAPH SIX.

I SEE IT.

UM, AND THERE'S THE HIPAA REFERENCE THERE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FROM OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT WE WERE OKAY AGREEING TO KEEP ALL THIS INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE OR NOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT RAISED WHEN I THOUGHT OF IT, AND I SEE OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEYS HERE, SO, YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH, VERY BRIEFLY.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN, UM, I KNOW THAT DERY WILSON WENT OVER THE CONTRACT AND THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF BACK AND FORTH, UH, ARRIVING AT THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE ARE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

WITHOUT BEING TO GO INTO A DEEP DIVE ON, ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONFIDENTIALITY PHRASE, BUT DERY ISS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONTRACT AS IT'S OKAY.

GREAT.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, AND SORRY, IF I MAY, JUST, THE, THE INTENTION OF IS WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT AN INMATE'S PRIVATE INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THAT ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S MEANT TO PROTECT THE INMATES.

SO IF THERE'S ANY, EVER HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO AMEND IT TO, TO BE WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE INTENTION.

AND I DON'T, UH, DON'T DOUBT FOR A MINUTE THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO ANSWERING THIS QUESTION, AND I'M GLAD THAT OUR COUNSELS LOOKED AT IT, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA SIGN SOMETHING WE COULDN'T COMPLY WITH.

SECOND THING, I'LL JUST GET ON MY, UH, OLD ISSUE.

AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE.

I, I WOULD LIKE IT IF IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT YOU PROVIDE US A CERTIFICATE.

IT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE CONTRACT.

I HAVE A COPY OF IT RIGHT HERE, SIR.

MAY I BRING IT TO YOU AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED? WHERE'S THAT? SO HERE'S THE CONTRACT.

I'M SORRY.

THE, UH, THE POLICY, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY LISTED AS AN ADDENDUM IN THE CONTRACT.

YEAH, I SAW.

I DO NOT.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU'RE LISTED ON THERE.

I HEARD THAT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.

I'M HAPPY TO, UH, TO REQUEST THAT I SAW IT.

AND THE ONLY LOCATION IT COVERS IS YOUR 59 49 SHERRY LANE, WHICH I ASSUME IS YOUR ADDRESS.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OLD OFFICE ADDRESS.

I'M WAITING FOR THE NEWEST COPY OF THIS, WHICH I'LL SHOW THE NEW NEW ADDRESS.

AN ADDITIONAL INSURED SINCE YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING IN OUR SURE.

BUT, AND IT'S VERY EASY FOR YOUR, GET YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY TO NAME THE COUNTY AS

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SO I'D LIKE THAT TO BE YES, SIR.

ADDED, I'M HAPPY TO REQUEST THAT.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

I HEARD, LIKE I SAID, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM, AND SO YEAH.

AND I SAW, AND I APPRECIATE THAT HAD THE, THE DECK PAGE AND EVERYTHING ATTACHED TO THE AGREEMENT.

SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, ONE OF ER'S REQUESTS.

SO, UM, I THINK MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE CHIEF.

UM, THIS HAS A 3%, UM, ESCALATOR IN IT, WHICH IS FINE.

I MEAN, UM, BUT WE ARE SPENDING $45,000 IN THE FUND THAT HAS $63,000, SO CORRECT.

AFTER WE SPEND IT FOR A YEAR, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING? AND IF WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES THIS YEAR, THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.

AND OF COURSE WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE SUCH AS COMMISSARY THAT WE COULD USE FOR SUCH A PROGRAM.

SO WE COULD FINISH THE $63,000 AND THEN SUPPLEMENT IT WITH THE COMMISSARY.

OH YES.

BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET IT TO WHERE IT BECOMES A BUDGETARY LINE ITEM WHEN IT'S STILL IN A PROBATIONARY PERIOD, RIGHT.

WITH A FUND THAT IS, THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IS GONNA BE REFUNDED.

I THINK I SAW THAT THE COMPTROLLER JUST RELEASED MORE MONEY.

CRAIG, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GETTING PAID THAT MONEY.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE SIGNED ON THE AGREEMENT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF OP OPIOID RELIEF FUNDS.

UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT IS A GOOD WAY TO SPEND THAT MONEY ONCE I LEARNED THAT THAT MONEY EXISTED.

UM, SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT COMPLETELY.

I THINK IT'S GREAT.

UM, I, I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THAT MONEY AND I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.

FROM WHAT I LOOKED INTO, I WAS JUST KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THE PHYSICAL, THE PHYSICAL NOTE, UM, THAT, UH, THAT COME, THAT COMES WITH THIS.

AND THEN WHAT, WHAT KIND OF THE, THE PLAN.

SO WE HAVE 90 DAYS, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS WITH THE STARTING MAY, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK 90 DAYS.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS AN INTENT TO, TO TERMINATE IT, THAT WE DO THAT APPROPRIATELY BECAUSE THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC 3% ESCALATOR.

AND I JUST WANTED TO, THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF MY ONLY CONCERN.

BUT WE GOT THAT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.

AND SOMEBODY WHO'S DUG INTO THESE OPIOID SETTLEMENTS, YEAH, THERE'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT COME DOWN, BUT WHEN THEY START CHOPPING IT UP AND IT GETS TO OUR REGION, WHICH IS HOW THEY PAY IT, AND THEN IT'S, THE ALGORITHM CALCULATES IT BY POPULATION.

IT IS JUST A TRICKLE WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS TO ROCKWALL COUNTY.

SO THE 60,000 ISH THAT WE HAVE IS PROBABLY PART OF A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT.

SO, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US NOT TO THINK MORE MONEY'S COMING.

UH, AND IF IT IS, IT'S, UH, ONE COMMA, NOT MULTIPLE COMMAS.

, YES.

STEVE, WOULD YOU LIKE, OR IAN, WOULD YOU LIKE STEVE TO SPEAK? OH, SURE.

ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY? UH, GOOD MORNING.

UM, LIKE IAN SAID, I WORKED WITH DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS, UH, DPD FOR 25 YEARS.

I DO GO INSIDE OF PRISONS AND TALK TO THE GUYS.

THE ONE THING THAT I FOUND OUT THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT, ME BEING A PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, UM, REALLY ABLE TO, UH, REALLY BREAK DOWN THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THESE, THESE GUYS THAT ARE INSIDE THE PRISONS.

UH, WE GO INSIDE AND WORK ON THESE GUYS FROM A MINDSET, UM, POINT OF VIEW.

ALSO WITH MENTAL HEALTH, LIKE IAN SAID, WE BRING A LOT OF GUYS FROM THE OUTSIDE TO COME THERE AND TEACH THESE GUYS ABOUT JAW READINESS, MENTAL HEALTH, EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

SO WE BRING PEOPLE IN FROM THE OUTSIDE TO SHOW THESE GUYS, WE REALLY CARE.

'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE GUYS HAVE LOST HOPE.

THEY DON'T THINK ANYBODY CARE ABOUT 'EM.

SO WE BRING THESE PEOPLE IN TO SHOW THEM THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OUT THERE THAT REALLY LOVES THEM.

AND ME BEING A PREVIOUS, UM, POLICE OFFICER, UH, IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I COME IN, THE WALLS ARE UP.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE AN IMPACT WITH THEM INSIDE, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE AN IMPACT WITH THEM ONCE THEY'RE RELEASED AS WELL.

SERGEANT DHARMA, ANYTHING.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DOES THE STAFF THAT'S BEEN DILIGENTLY STANDING QUIETLY, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO ANY OF THIS? IT'S JUST A GOOD PROGRAM.

UM, I'M EXCITED TO START.

UM, I MEAN, WE, WE ALWAYS WANT PROGRAMS TO COME IN THE JAIL BECAUSE THE MAIN THING IS TO KEEP, STOP THESE PEOPLE FROM TRYING TO COME BACK.

SO I DON'T, THAT IS MY MAIN FOCUS.

I DON'T GET TOO INVOLVED WITH WHETHER I WANT IT OR NOT.

I, IT'S THE OUTCOME.

DOES IT WORK? LET'S DO IT.

DOES IT NOT WORK? WHY DOESN'T IT WORK? CAN WE FIX IT? SO THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.

UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW HOW TO APPROACH THIS ON MY END.

IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THERE'S THE, AS FAR, SO, SO, UM, THE, THE, THE COST GOING FORWARD, THE AGREEMENT IS SET UP THAT IT'S A ONE YEAR THING.

THAT 3% ESCALATOR, THAT'S IF IT GETS RENEWED, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC THING,

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RIGHT? BUT IF IT GETS RENEWED, THAT'S REALLY JUST MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, INFLATION, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPONENT, UM, PROGRAMMING IN JAILS IN GENERAL, NOT JUST OUR PROGRAM HAS MULTIPLE ECONOMIC BENEFITS.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S THE RECIDIVISM ASPECT, WHICH I WILL TELL YOU IS A TERRIBLE TERM TO TRY TO COMPARE BECAUSE THERE'S NO UNIVERSAL DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND AS, UM, CAPTAIN GRAY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT RESULT OR THAT ANSWER CAN BE VERY, UH, EASILY MANIPULATED.

AND SO I CAN TELL YOU ALL THE GREAT RECIDIVISM NUMBERS, THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BELIEVE ANY OF 'EM.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED DISCUSSION.

BUT THE OTHER BENEFIT OF, OF ALL PROGRAMMING IS IT BECAUSE THE INMATES ARE, ARE INVOLVED IN PROGRAMS, THERE'S LESS INMATE ON INMATE VIOLENCE, THERE'S LESS INMATE ON STAFF VIOLENCE, THERE'S LESS DAMAGE TO THE FACILITIES, WHICH LEADS TO HIGHER STAFF RETENTION AND OVERALL PROGRAMMING ACTUALLY LOWERS THE COST OF INCARCERATION.

SO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE COMPONENT OF, OF, OF ALL PROGRAMS THAT DO THAT.

BUT IT'S, IT'S A, THE COST OF A, OF ANY PROGRAM ACTUALLY HELPS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL COST OF INCARCERATION.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO BE AWARE OF ASIDE FROM RECIDIVISM.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO OBJECTION.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE COMMUNITY USA FOR THE REHABILITATION SERVICES AT THE COUNTY DETENTION CENTER.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE.

ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL ENTER YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSSING ACT ON APPROVING A LEASE TO HD 33.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

AND IF I COULD, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, TO AARON AND, UM, SERGEANT DE ARMAS AND CAPTAIN GRAY AND THE LEGAL STAFF, UM, WHO HAVE ALL JUST BEEN WONDERFUL IN WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS DONE.

SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THIS BRINGS

[19. Discuss/Act on approving a lease to HD33 State Representative Katrina Pierson for office space at the Historic Courthouse, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE KATRINA PEARSON FOR OFFICE SPACE AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER GUANA.

SO, UM, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, KATRINA PEARSON'S STAFF, AND THEY ARE SEEKING A PLACE TO, UH, HAVE AN OFFICE.

UH, WE PREVIOUSLY HAD, UM, REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND, UH, IN-HOUSE HERE.

AND, UM, I AM, UM, INTERESTED IN THIS SIMPLY FOR THE, UM, WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT WE CAN FORGE WITH THE TEAM.

UM, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN HAVE AS MANY OF THE DECISION MAKERS IN OUR DISTRICT HERE AS POSSIBLE, THAT WILL BENEFIT US IN THE LONG RUN.

THE LEASE THAT YOU'LL SEE ATTACHED, UM, IS THE, UH, SAME TERMS THAT REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND HAD DURING HIS TIME HERE AS WELL.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS? UM, BOBBY, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER ALANA.

UM, MY ONLY COMMENT, I LIKE THIS IDEA.

I SPOKE WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON'S REPRESENTATIVES PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THIS, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT IT AND ONE THING, COMMENT, CHANGE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COURT CONSIDER, AS WE TALKED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, AND COMMISSIONER STACY RAISED, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ALL THE SPACES IN THIS BUILDING.

AND, UM, I KNOW I'VE BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A MOVE BY ONE COMMISSIONER TO THROW ME OUTTA MY OFFICE, WHICH I'VE DONE IN FAVOR OF GUILTY MORE THAN ONE, AND NOT IN FAVOR.

THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EFFORT, .

BUT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE ALL GONNA END UP, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE, UH, SALES OR THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR MOVES OUT.

SO I WOULD LIKE, I'M A, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LEASE, WITH ONE CHANGE, AND THAT IS THAT WE INSERT A RELOCATION PROVISION THAT ALLOWS US AS LANDLORDS TO RELOCATE THAT OFFICE IF WE DECIDE WE WANNA, UH, MOVE PEOPLE AROUND IN HERE.

SURE.

THAT COULD, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.

UM, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A DEFINED SPACE HERE THAT WORKS FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, UM, SOUNDS REASONABLE.

WELL, ULTIMATELY, THEY'D GET A DEFINED SPACE.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS, YOU'VE SAID IT'S SUITE 2 0 1, WHICH I GUESS IS THE OLD OFFICE DOWN THERE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS DOWN THERE, OR IF, UH, WE GET MOVED THAT WE CAN ADJUST, PUT THEM WITHIN THIS BUILDING INTO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

AGREED.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S OKAY WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE.

WHAT WE WOULD DO THERE IS PROBABLY JUST DO AN ADDENDUM TO THIS SINCE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DRAFT THIS LEASE.

I THINK IT CAME FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

WE COULD DO AN ADDENDUM WITH, WITH A PHRASE SUCH AS, AS YOU DESCRIBED, ADDED TO IT.

WE CAN DO THAT.

HALL, WHICH MAY WELL LEAD TO REPRESENTATIVE FALLON.

SO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN.

I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING ALL OF OUR ELECTEDS HERE AND, AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON MAY WELL LEAD TO SENATOR

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I DON'T THINK TED CRUZ IS COMING, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT IF HE WOULD.

BUT A AND, AND IM, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT AND, AND IT WOULD WORK OUT WELL FOR US WITH MY OVERALL GOAL IS HAVING THE EXECUTIVE TEAM OF THE COUNTY HERE, BUT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'RE PLANNING FOR, UH, BRINGING IN GENERAL COUNSEL, BRINGING IN ENGINEER, QUITE POSSIBLY A FIRE MARSHAL, UH, AT SOME POINT SECURITY OR SECURITY, SECURITY RELATED ISSUES.

SO THERE, THERE'S MOVING BOXES AND, AND THAT GETS MY COMFORT LEVEL WAY UP, UH, JUST HAVING THE RELOCATION CLAUSE WHERE, HEY, YOU LOVE THIS OFFICE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE YOU DOWNSTAIRS.

AND, UH, AS WE REMODEL THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMODEL THIS BUILDING.

WE, WE, WE ARE, UM, DID YOU ADDRESS PAINTING? YEAH.

SO WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDENDUM FOR, FOR PAINT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO CHANGE THE WONDERFUL COLOR THAT THE OFFICE IS.

UM, THEY WILL, UM, INCUR THAT EXPENSE THEMSELVES AND THEY WILL RETURN THE OFFICE TO ITS ORIGINAL, UM, COLOR WHEN THEY VACATE, IF THEY VACATE.

SO THAT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL ADDENDUM, JUST SO THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT INCURRING ANY ADDITIONAL COST, UH, FOR THEM TO, UH, OCCUPY THE SPACE.

THE, UM, SO LET'S, LET'S WALK THROUGH WHAT YOU JUST LISTED.

THERE MORE.

CAN I ADD ONE TOO? ? YOU CAN, THE ENGINEER, I WOULD ARGUE WE HAVE AN OFFICE AT THE ANNEX BUILDING.

THE FIRE MARSHAL, I WOULD ARGUE WE HAVE AN OFFICE AT THE ANNEX BUILDING.

THAT'S WHY WE GOT IT SET.

THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN MOTION.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE PAYING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO REDESIGN.

THE ANNEX BUILDING IS SO AN ENGINEER, A FIRE MARSHAL CAN GO IN THERE.

HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND I DO THINK THAT THAT ABILITY IS THERE.

UM, I TOLD, UH, COMMISSIONER ALANA, UM, THAT I HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS OF COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE'S OFFICE THAT HE DOES NOT APPRECIATE, UM, , WHICH IS TOTALLY FAIR AND, AND FINE.

I'M NOT GONNA TELL ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL WHERE THEY SHOULD OFFICE.

UM, THAT'S NEVER GOING TO BE, I I WILL, I WILL NEVER STOP WITH MY OPINION BECAUSE I'M WAY TOO OPINIONATED AS IT EXISTS.

UM, BUT SO IS COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE IS ALSO OPINIONATED AND ENTITLED TO HIS OPINION.

UM, I DON'T WANNA MOVE MY OFFICE EITHER.

UM, IT WAS MY INTENTION TO PUT COMMISSIONER THREE AND FOUR IN THE SPACE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING, UM, KATRINA PEARSON'S OFFICE INTO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WILL OF THE COURT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

UM, I THINK IT DOES PUT AN ONUS ON US TO HAVE TO TURN THE ELEVATOR ROOM INTO A USABLE CONFERENCE ROOM.

I, I JUST WANT TO TELL THE COURT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN OPTION.

I THINK THAT'S A MANDATORY THING WITH THIS.

UM, MAYBE THE $250 LEASE COULD HELP US PAY FOR .

I'M NOT SURE I'M KIDDING.

60 YEARS.

I COULDN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.

UM, BUT IT, IT DOES, IT IS GONNA PUT THE ONUS ON THIS COURT TO TURN THE ELEVATOR ROOM INTO, INTO A FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR US TO DO CONFERENCES.

UM, IT DOES POTENTIALLY DISPLACE OUR PIO.

UM, THAT ISSUE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET RESOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I DO THINK THAT IT WILL ALLOW FOR US TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A GENERAL COUNSEL, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COURT GOES.

I THINK IT WOULD STILL ENABLE US TO HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE IN THERE.

I LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU, YOU HAVE THE OFFICE THE TAX ASSESSOR IS IN.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR THE PIO WITH THE CAMERAS, SETTING UP A LITTLE STUDIO, HAVING PLENTY OF ROOM TO BRING IN MEDIA FOLKS TO BRING IN OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT THAT COULD BE USED.

FROM THE PIO STANDPOINT, YOU HAVE THE CURRENT, I GUESS, MANAGEMENT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT POSITION IS.

I DON'T WANNA NAME THE EMPLOYEE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT OFFICE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IN THE TAX OFFICE, YOU COULD EXTEND THAT WALL AND THAT COULD BE A USABLE OFFICE.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A BREAK ROOM THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT REDOING AND TURNING INTO AN OFFICE SPACE THAT GETS PLENTY, PLENTY OF NATURAL LIGHT.

AND THEN THAT ISN'T EVEN INCLUDING MESSING WITH WHERE THE ACTUAL COUNTERS ARE, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE PLACES FOR OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND TO LAWRENCE POINT, EVEN THE CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO I BELIEVE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE IS SPACE.

IT WASN'T THE PLAN I WAS WORKING TOWARDS.

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT ISN'T, THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.

BUT I DO THINK THAT, THAT THE PLAN IS NOT A TERRIBLE PLAN.

I DO THINK THAT IT CAN WORK.

UM, AND, UM, AND I DO THINK THERE IS STILL EVEN SOME USABLE SPACE BEHIND HERE.

UM, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST SPACE, BUT THERE IS STILL SOME USABLE SPACE, UM, WITHIN, WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT, THAT WE COULD UTILIZE AND STILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

SO I JUST SAY ALL THAT TO SAY YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINTS.

THOSE WERE MY CONCERNS.

THOSE WERE THE STUFF I THOUGHT THROUGH.

AND COMMISSIONER GOLAN AND I HAVE

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IF WE'VE DEALT WITH THE PAINTING, WE'VE DEALT WITH THE RELOCATION, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES.

I WANT ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS BUILDING.

UM, I THINK THAT THAT DOES JUST MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WHERE DO WE PUT OUR PIO? SO WE, WE, WE'VE GOT SOLUTIONS THAT, THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE TAX ASSESSOR MOVES OUT, THAT OPENS UP SPACE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED.

AND, AND I, I AGREE THAT, UH, KIM SWEET'S OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS WOULD BE IDEAL FOR PIO, BUT THAT'S AUGUST.

IT, IT, IT IS SET UP TO BE AUGUST 1ST WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AS IT SITS TODAY.

SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO NOW, COMMISSIONER ALANA? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN? YEAH, SO WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WITH JIM.

I HATE TO JUST SAY THE PIO, HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE.

HI, JOE .

HE'S VERY FLEXIBLE.

WE'RE VERY, UM, WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE KEEP BUMPING HIM AROUND PLACES UNTIL WE FIND HIM A PERMANENT HOME.

BUT WE, UH, I DO HAVE A CONVERSATION UPCOMING WITH MARCINE, UM, WITH THE LIBRARY.

AND I TEND TO, UM, I INTEND TO TALK TO HER ABOUT MAYBE HOUSING HIM UPSTAIRS FOR A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME UNTIL WE HAVE HIS PERMANENT OFFICE READY.

UM, AND, AND I'M OPEN TO ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT IS, THAT'S A NICE WORKING ENVIRONMENT UP THERE.

ALTHOUGH IT'S AWAY FROM OUR BUILDING AND WE DON'T.

WE DON'T LOVE THAT BECAUSE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH JIM.

UM, BUT IT'S A SOLUTION THAT WE CAN USE.

AND, AND IN SPEAKING WITH, WITH OUR PIO JIM, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE WORST PLACE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FOCUS OF HIS JOB WILL BE STRATEGIC PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH IS COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS THE WEBSITE, WHICH IS WORKING WITH IT.

SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SOME SILVER LINING THERE, IF THAT IS END UP WHERE, WHERE THAT HAPPENS.

UM, I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GOANA THAT, THAT THE LIBRARY, IF THERE IS A TEMPORARY OFFICE SPACE, WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION THERE IS.

THERE'S PLENTY.

UM, AND, UM, THE OTHER BACKUP OPTION WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S, UH, OR JUST NOTED FOR THE RECORD HERE, WE, WE, UM, LIVED RENT FREE FOR, UM, WHAT, SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS IN, IN THAT OFFICE.

THE PREVIOUS REP, UH, ALLOWED US TO ESSENTIALLY SQUAT IN THE OFFICE AND TAKE A SECTION OF IT.

SO, UM, THERE, THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.

I I, I COULD JUST LET YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, THE STATE WAS NOT HAPPY TO LEARN THAT.

SO I DO NOT THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, OKAY, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT ON THE RECORD.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN APPETITE TO CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP.

YEAH, YEAH.

MAYBE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT ON THE RECORD.

WELL, WHEN DOES, WHEN, WHEN DOES THE STATE REP NEED THIS OFFICE? CAN'T WE JUST WAIT TO DO THIS TILL WE GET FINISHED THE PLACE? NO, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THIS MOVE A LITTLE FASTER THAN AUGUST.

UM, SINCE THERE'S NO CURRENT DISTRICT OFFICE SET UP FOR OUR STATE REP, THE LEASE IS SET TO TAKE PLACE APRIL 15TH, WHICH IS COMING UP FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S LIKE A COUPLE NEWS.

IT'S NEXT.

YEAH, IT'S NEXT WEEK.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND IT.

SO I'M SURE THAT, UH, WE WILL WORK WITH KATRINA PEARSON, THAT REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON'S STAFF, UM, AND WE'LL FIND A SOLUTION FOR, UH, FOR JIM THAT HE'S OKAY WITH.

THAT'S THE, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT HE FEELS HE CAN WORK UNTIL HIS MAIN OFFICE IS SET UP.

SO I'M, I'M, OKAY.

WELL, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UM, I I WOULD, I THINK IT'S BEST IF WE HAVE THE PIO HERE.

SO I, I KNOW THE LIBRARY'S AN OPTION, BUT I DO TOO.

I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEST WE HAVE 'EM HERE AND IF, IF WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO IT.

I, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF BRINGING OUR STATE REP IN HERE.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

UM, BUT I DO THINK WE, I, I THINK WE WOULD LOSE A CONNECTION WITH, UH, OUR PIO IF HE MOVED OVER TO THE LIBRARY.

I AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.

A AND THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA ADD IS I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN DO WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SPACE WE HAVE IN HERE.

AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A, A WORK SESSION.

I HA AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT SOME KIND OF A DISCUSSION SO WE CAN KIND OF BE PREPARED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE AS WE GET READY TO PREPARE FOR THE BUDGET.

'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OF THE, OF THE OTHER SPACE ONCE THE, THE, UH, TAX ASSESSOR MOVES OUT AND SO FORTH.

WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR US TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND WHAT THE EXPENSE IS GONNA BE? I AGREE.

I I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, I HAVE A VISION FOR THIS BUILDING THAT EVERYONE MAY NOT AGREE WITH, BUT THAT IS TO, TO GET ALL OF OUR, UM, DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES OFFICES INTO THIS BUILDING AND THEN TO SECURE IT.

AND SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AND IF IT'S FEASIBLE AND IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA DO.

THIS BUILDING, THEN THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION FOR THIS BUILDING IS BEHIND US.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THE, THE, I THINK BEFORE WE CAN VOTE ON MOVING SOMEBODY IN, IN A COUPLE DAYS, WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHERE THE PERSON THAT'S IN THAT OFFICE IS GOING TO GO.

UH, SO IF IT'S IN

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WHERE ELSE WOULD WE POSSIBLY HA I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DEAD SET THAT WE CAN'T WORK WITH JIM AT THE LIBRARY, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT HIM, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO BEHIND US.

SO, WHICH IS A GREAT OFFICE.

SO I, I'M, I'M GONNA KIND OF PUT, UH, AN APPENDIX ON COMMISSIONER TY'S STATEMENT AND, AND I AGREE THAT I WANT THE PIO HERE, I WANT MR. BARTOW HERE.

UH, I THINK HE'S MORE EFFECTIVE AND, AND SERVES THE CITIZENS BETTER HERE WITH ALL OF US.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH HAVING A TEMPORARY SPOT.

AND WE JUST HAVE A INCONVENIENCE, JUST KNOWING WHEN DO WE GET HIM BACK HERE? I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL AUGUST, IT WILL BE, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEW BUDGET, WHICH IS OCTOBER.

AND THEN ASSUMING IT GETS FUNDED CONSTRUCTION, I MEAN, WE'RE JANUARY NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

DON'T TIME OUT.

HE'S MOVING INTO AN EXISTING OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS.

THERE WOULDN'T BE A CONSTRUCTION COST TO MOVE HIM INTO THE OFFICE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS.

SO THERE MAY BE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AROUND HIM IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THINGS AFTER BUDGET DOWN THERE FOR DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS, BUT, YEP.

SO WE WE'RE LOOKING AT AUGUST, SO WE'RE CORRECT.

I DON'T, I, I THINK WE NEED TO GO AND LOOK AT THE OFFICE.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE NEED TO MADE, BE MADE TO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KIM SWEET'S OFFICE? IS THAT RIGHT? WHERE, WHERE THEY, WHERE SHE, OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, WAS IT ANY, HOW WAS HER OFFICE DIFFERENT FROM THE OFFICE HE'S IN NOW? THAT ONE HASN'T PROBABLY BEEN TOUCHED UP IN PROBABLY ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS.

SHE'S HERE.

SHE'D SAY THAT .

WELL, MAN, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE THE CASE.

I, I, I JUST THINK THAT'S A SET.

I DO THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF A, A SEPARATE ISSUE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT'S READY FOR PEOPLE.

I MEAN, WE COULD SET A DESK.

IT HAS THE CONNECTIONS, IT HAS THE PHONES.

IT HAS EVERYTHING READY TO GO.

UM, SO IT WOULD BE TEMPORARY.

I THINK, I THINK THE REAL ISSUE ON THE TIMING ASPECT COMES INTO THE EFFORT TO MOVE THE TAX OFFICE FROM THIS LOCATION TO THE NEW LOCATION COULD MEAN THAT HE COULD BE DELAYED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST GETTING IN HERE, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE.

'CAUSE THAT TAX OFFICE HAS TO GET SET UP.

THAT'S WHERE THE, IT IS GONNA BE.

THAT'S WHERE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS IS GONNA BE.

IT'S JUST POTENTIAL.

BUT I, I THINK THAT THE IDEA WOULD BE THE SECOND THE TAX OFFICE IS VACATED, HE JUST GETS SET UP IMMEDIATELY.

IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING TO TO, TO GET EVERYTHING SET UP IN THERE.

HEY, JIM BARTO, WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE HERE WITH A LACK OF SPACE OR OVER AT THE LIBRARY TEMP E EITHER ONE TEMPORARILY UNTIL THE OFFICE COMES DOWNSTAIRS NOT KNOWING YOUR JOB DUTIES.

AND I, I WOULD, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE I DO WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT NOW.

YOU'RE ON THE SPOT.

UH, YEAH.

SO WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? AND COME SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

YOU NEED TO MAKE DO WITH BEING CLOSE BY TEMPORARILY, YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB FROM, FROM HERE.

FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IN THE MORNING.

WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

UM, SINCE WE HAVE THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES DISTRICT DIRECTOR HERE, UM, WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, DO YOU NEED THIS IN THAT ENTIRE ROOM OR CAN YOU DO WITH LESS THAN THAT? UNTIL WE GET EVERYTHING ADJUSTED? SO WE STILL HAVE OUR CONFERENCE ROOM OF CAPACITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ALL THE SPACE.

CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? YEP.

COME UP AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE.

AMY NORTON.

I AM AMY NORTON, AND I AM THE INCOMING DISTRICT DIRECTOR FOR REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON.

UM, WE'LL WORK WITH THE COURT, HOWEVER WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM.

THE PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE THE ENTIRE SPACE SO THAT REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON HAS HER OWN PRIVATE OFFICE TO MEET WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT ARE PRIVATE.

UH, AND THEN THE OTHER SPACE WOULD BE FOR CONFERENCES TO MEET WITH, UM, GROUPS OF PEOPLE FOR US TO HAVE A CONFERENCE TABLE IN THERE.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF DESKS FOR MYSELF AND SOME OF THE POTENTIAL INTERNS THAT WILL BE WORKING IN THERE.

UM, HEY, BARRY COMPTON, A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UH, HOW, HOW , HOW QUICK CAN YOU GET, UH, JIM BARTOW'S OFFICE FROM THERE INTO HERE? IT JUST DEPENDS ON, ON HOW MUCH HE'S WILLING TO MOVE HIMSELF.

SO I, I KNOW THAT DESK WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.

UM, IT REQUIRES IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I MEAN, IT'LL BE

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IF THAT'S, IF, IF THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL GET HIM MOVED IN A DAY.

SO IT'S NOT A WEEK LONG ENDEAVOR FOR YOU? NO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I THINK GETTING THE OFFICE, UM, READY FOR MS. PEARSON WILL PROBABLY TAKE LONGER THAN MOVING MR. BARTOW.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

WELL, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A LEASE TO HD 33 STATE REPRESENTATIVE KATRI KATRINA PEARSON FOR OFFICE SPACE AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE WITH THE TWO STATED ADDENDUMS BEING, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE PAYS FOR THE PAINTING.

AND WE HAVE A, UM, CLAUSE WHERE WE CAN MOVE THEM IF THE COURT DEEMS IT NECESSARY.

HAVE MY MOTION.

HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.

IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WELCOME.

WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.

ALL RIGHT, THIS BRINGS

[20. Discuss/Act on the 2025 P3 Public Power Pool Procurement Rates for Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

US TO AGENDA ITEM 20.

DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE 2025 P THREE PUBLIC POOL POWER POOL PROCUREMENT RATES FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER GOANA, WHO'S NOW ON THE BOARD.

SO IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SECURING OUR RATES FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND, AND ONWARD.

AND WE'RE IN A BIT OF A WILD, UH, MARKET, UM, RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA SEE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME INCREASE, UM, PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, UNLESS THE MARKET DRASTICALLY CHANGES OUT THERE.

UM, BUT WE LOOK PRETTY GOOD LONG TERM AS FAR AS, UH, OUR SAVINGS GO.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROVIDED INFORMATION, UH, IT'S PAGE FOUR WHERE IT'S GOT THE ACTUAL RATES.

YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, IT IN THIS, SOME OF IT AS YOU GET DOWN TO 2035 WILL BE LESS, LESS ACCURATE, OBVIOUSLY, AS THE CLOSER YEARS.

UM, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE WITH, UH, INCOMING, UH, GENERATION, UH, PLANTS COMING ONLINE THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME RELIEF, UH, ON THESE RATES COMING PRETTY SOON.

AND THIS IS STILL, UH, PROVIDING US WITH WAY BETTER, UM, RATES THAN MARKET RATES.

IF WE HAD TO GO OUT AND SHOP ON OUR OWN.

IT'S ALLOWING US TO BE A POOL WITH SEVERAL LARGE PLACES.

OUR RATE IS NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE ANNEX, JUST SO YOU KNOW, EITHER.

THAT'S BRINGING ON A PRETTY, UM, DECENTLY SIZED USER OF, UH, POWER.

UM, BUT I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UH, THAT WITH OUR P THREE REPRESENTATIVES, AND IT WILL NOT IMPACT, OUR RATE WILL NOT DRIVE IT UP ANYMORE.

DID YOU SEE WHERE ERCOT QUIETLY, UH, RECALCULATED THEIR FUTURE NEEDS, UH, AND ADDED 100,000 MEGAWATTS TO IT? YEAH, AND THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY INCENTIVE, UH, LATENT BILLS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE IN TERMS OF POWER GENERATION RIGHT NOW, IS WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY BEHIND.

AND IT'S REALLY CREATING A VERY COMPETITIVE MARKET, WHICH IS DRIVING RATES UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE'RE PART OF A GROUP LIKE THIS, UH, THAT CAN GO OUT AND, AND DETERMINE, UH, THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROCURE OUR ENERGY RATES FOR THE FUTURE.

UM, THIS AGREEMENT THAT, UM, UH, WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON, UM, ALLOWS THEM TO GO OUT AND, AND BUY RATES FOR MORE THAN JUST THIS YEAR SO THAT IF THEY SEE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY RATES, UM, FARTHER OUT THAN A YEAR, THAT WILL HELP US SAVE MONEY, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT.

AND I DO WANT TO ADD THE, THE OTHER THING THAT THIS DOES AND, AND NOT TO BE UNDERSTATED, IS THIS ALLOWS US TO BUDGET FOR ELECTRICITY.

OH, YES.

WHEREAS IF WE DIDN'T BUY IN BULK, THAT'S THE POINT VIA THIS MECHANISM OR SOME OTHER, WE, WE, WE COULDN'T, WE WOULD GET INTO BUDGETING WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS NOT REALLY BUDGETING.

UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ONE QUESTION.

UM, THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LISTED ON PAGE FIVE DON'T INCLUDE THE CAD, AND I KNOW THE CAD IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ENTITY, BUT WE DO END UP PAYING MONEY AS THEIR EXPENSES GO UP, OUR EXPENSES GO UP.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD GET THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BUILDING TIED INTO THIS SO THAT THEY COULD BENEFIT OF THIS GOOD PRICING ON ELECTRICITY ALSO? I WILL FIND OUT.

I'M NOT SURE SINCE THEY'RE A SEPARATE, REALLY A SEPARATE ENTITY THAN THE COUNTY, IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAG ONTO OUR AGREEMENT.

BUT IT'S WORTH EXPLORING.

I MEAN, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TELL US NO.

AND THE COUNTY HAS OBVIOUSLY A VERY HUGE INTEREST IN KEEPING THEIR EXPENSES LOW BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE PASS THROUGHS LOW TO US.

AND I TALKED TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER, AND IF WE CAN DO THIS, HE WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIND CHEAPER ELECTRICITY.

SO IF YOU COULD CHECK ON THAT, I WOULD, I APPRECIATE IT.

SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM.

GREAT IDEA.

DOES IT COMMISSIONER GUANO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROCUREMENT RATES? DO WE HAVE TO ACT ON THIS? LISA, HAVE WE TAKEN ACTION ON THIS IN THE PAST? CORRECT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK THIS REQUIRES ACTION ON US.

[02:15:02]

I, I THINK SO BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO GO OUT FOR BID, SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST ACKNOWLEDGE MAYBE.

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE TWO 20 2025 P THREE PUBLIC POWER POOL PROCUREMENT RATES, UH, FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALANA.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW? THANK YOU.

AND COMMISSIONER KLE, YOUR FIRST BOARD MEETING, IF YOU COULD CHANGE THE NAME 'CAUSE THAT IS JUST TOO HARD WITH ALL THE, ALL THE PIECE THERE.

I'LL WORK ON THAT.

22, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE NECESSARY VOTING PRECINCT BOUNDARY CHANGES IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH TEC SECTION 42.006 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

PASSES.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY UH, FOLKS, AGENDA ITEM 21.

WE'RE GOING TO SAVE TILL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM

[22. Discuss/Act on the necessary voting precinct boundary changes in order to comply with TEC Section 42.006, and all related issues; (Judge New – Election Administrator)]

THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE, MR. LAN? OH, CAN'T DO THAT.

IS THERE ANOTHER USB PORT ON HERE? OH, DO I JUST USE THIS CHART HERE BY, YEAH.

UM, HEY, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

UM, SO SHOOT, UM, EVERY TWO YEARS, UH, IN ODD NUMBERED YEARS, THIS COURT IS REQUIRED TO EXAMINE AND MAINTAIN IS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED, UH, IN THE TEC THAT YOU REFERENCED, UH, ON THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, PRECINCTS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE NOT LESS THAN 100 REGISTERED VOTERS AND NOT MORE THAN 5,000.

SO WE'VE REACHED A POINT JUST A FEW YEARS AFTER REDISTRICTING WHERE WE ALREADY ADDED NINE PRECINCTS, UH, WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE IN A SITUATION HERE TODAY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THREE PRECINCTS, WHERE WE'VE CROSSED THAT 5,000 THRESHOLD.

SO WHAT, WHAT, CHRISTIE IS GONNA BRIEF YOU ON HERE BECAUSE SHE'S DONE ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THIS IS A PLAN TO GET THE COUNTY, UH, IN COMPLIANCE.

AND THEN WE CAN HAVE, UH, ANY SUBSEQUENT, SUBSEQUENT, UH, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PRECINCTS IN GENERAL THAT, UH, THIS COURT HAS THE APPETITE FOR.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTIE MYERS.

IT'S ON DO? YEAH.

THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS WHAT THE DISTRICTS LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW.

THESE ARE THE COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS, YOU SEE AS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

AND THEN EACH OF THE ELECTION PRECINCTS ARE ONE, ONE A, ONE B, ONE C, WHATEVER THE NUMBER OR THE LETTER THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE CORRESPONDING NUMBER, UH, TO KNOW THAT IT'S IN THAT COMMISSIONER PRECINCT.

BUT SOME OF THOSE PRECINCTS HAVE GOTTEN TOO BIG.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN IF YOU COMPARE THIS, THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE SHADED OR THAT HAVE THE HASH MARKS ARE THE ONES THAT WE WANNA CHANGE.

SO, UM, UP IN ONE AT THE VERY TOP ONE B AND ONE E, SO THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE, UM, ONE B HAS ALREADY, UM, SURPASSED 5,000, WHICH WE, WE KNEW THAT IT WOULD GROW.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ONE B WOULD BE THE ONE WE WOULD BE GROWING.

WE THOUGHT ONE E WOULD HAVE THE GROWTH, BUT WITH A LOT OF THE BREEZY CREEK AND THE, UM, JOHN KING, IT'S CONTINUED TO GROW.

SO IF WE MOVE THAT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OVER, THEN THAT WOULD HELP THE NUMBERS IN ONE E.

AND I'VE GOT NUMBERS ON THE THIRD PAGE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU, BUT, AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE, TWO, THERE'S JUST A SECTION GOING IN, AND THEN THREE, THERE'S A SECTION, UM, IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.

IT LOOKS KIND OF GREEN ON HERE, BUT THERE'S A SECTION OF THREE B THAT IT NEEDS TO MOVE TO THREE A, BECAUSE THREE B HAS ALREADY OUTGROWN OR HAS FUTURE, UM, THINGS COMING IN THAT WILL BE OUTGROWING WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

FOUR D AND FOUR A.

THAT'S PRETTY EASY.

FOUR D IS RELATIVELY SMALL.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF A, AN S AND FOUR A HAS GROWN TOO BIG.

AND THEN A LOT OF THE SECTIONS, UM, BELOW, IF YOU CAN SEE A 66 IS THAT KIND OF TOP WHITE LINE.

UH, THERE'S TWO NEW BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS GOING IN THERE, SO IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW IF WE DON'T MOVE THAT INFORMATION.

AND, AND FOUR DD HAS ENOUGH ROOM IN FOUR D TO MOVE THAT OVER.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ONE MORE.

OH 3D, SORRY.

OH, YOU NEED TO GO 3D.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SO 3D IS THE ONE THAT HAS LIKE THE THREE F BESIDE IT.

THAT'S, WE WANT TO ADD AN ENTIRE NEW PRECINCT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'D HAVE TO ADD THREE F AND THAT WOULD MAKE US HAVE 27 PRECINCTS, ELECTION PRECINCTS.

THE REASON WE HAVE TO ADD A NEW PRECINCT, JUST BECAUSE EACH ELECTION PRECINCT CAN ONLY HAVE ONE CITY IN IT.

AND SO 3D IS THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW THAT HAS CITY OF MCLENNAN CHISHOLM.

AND SO NONE OF 3D COULD GO TO ANY, YOU KNOW, OUTLYING PRECINCTS AROUND IT, BECAUSE THEN WE WOULDN'T BE WITHIN THE OTHER LAWS.

[02:20:01]

AND, AND I SHOULD HAVE OPENED WITH, UH, CHRISTIE.

THIS ISN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST A MIRACLE MATH DEAL.

SHE WORKED CLOSELY, UH, WITH JIM, UH, IN GIS WITH, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL ROOFTOPS.

YOU KNOW, HE KNOWS, HE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING WHERE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE DO.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF THE MATH PROBLEM THERE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA BE ABSORB THE NUMBERS, MAKE, MAKE THEM EVEN AS WE COULD ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AND, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THIS SLIDE HERE.

SO THIS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD, BY LAW, WE HAVE TO HAVE ACTIVE VOTERS UNDER 5,000, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FAR LEFT HAND COLUMN.

BUT BY WHAT WE VOTE THEN IF YOU'RE ACTIVE OR SUSPENDED, THEN YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

YOU MAY HAVE MOVED WITHIN THE COUNTY, OR WE GOT SOMETHING BACK FOR SOME REASON THAT SAID YOU DIDN'T LIVE THERE.

BUT A SUSPENDED VOTER CAN STILL VOTE IN AN ELECTION.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT STAYS UNDER THE 5,000.

SO THE ONES THAT ARE IN PINK, THEY'RE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF THE EXTRA HAVING ISSUES ESSENTIALLY.

AND THEN IF YOU TAKE, UM, THE THIRD COLUMN IT SHOWS YOU WITH THE CHANGES, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO SHOW UP.

SOME OF THOSE ARE STILL KIND OF HIGH.

THE MORE PRECINCTS WE HAVE, THEN THE MORE VOTE CENTERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WE HAVE TO HAVE.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO HAVE TOO MANY.

UM, AND THEN I'VE GIVEN EACH OF YOU GUYS A FOURTH SHEET, OR IT'S ON THE BACK ACTUALLY OF THIS SHEET RIGHT HERE.

AND IT KIND OF TALKS YOU THROUGH, UM, LIKE ONE B.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE 688 OUT OF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND 83 OUT OF ANOTHER, PUT THEM IN ONE E 6 88 AND 83.

BUT THEN WE'VE GOT FUTURE IN BLUE.

AND SO THERE'S BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS OR BRAND NEW HOUSES GOING IN THAT'S GONNA BE 258, 250, UH, 242 AND 500.

SO ALL THOSE ONES IN BLUE ARE COMING.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PLATTED.

SOME HAVE ALREADY BEEN STARTED BUILDING.

SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THE INFORMATION.

AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, PRECINCT ONE IS FAIRLY HIGH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS, THEY'RE AT LIKE, UH, 48 20, I THINK IT'S 46 20.

BUT PRECINCT ONE, MOST OF JUST PLAIN PRECINCT ONE IS PRETTY BUILT OUT.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF INCOME.

I MEAN, A LOT OF NEW HOUSES COMING INTO THAT AREA, UM, UNLIKE ONE B AND ONE E, THAT'S STILL GOT A LOT OF GROWTH IN IT.

AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UH, ONE B AND ONE E HAVE A HIGH NEIGHBORHOODS COMING IN.

SO AT SOME POINT, PROBABLY TWO TO FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL PROBABLY BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PRECINCT UP IN THAT SECTION.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE NEW AREAS ARE GOING IN.

SO IT'S SILLY TO ADD IT NOW WITHOUT KNOWING THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, AND WHEN D IS REALLY LOW.

AND SO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND GO, OKAY, WHY IS THERE ONLY 1,103 PEOPLE CITY OF WILEY SINCE THAT CITY OF WILEY? THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRECINCT.

UM, LET'S SEE, FOUR B AND FOUR C ARE ALSO GROWING AND THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THAT 5,000.

BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THE DIRECTION OF NEW BUILDS ARE GOING TO GO.

AND SO IT'D KIND OF BE SILLY TO ADD ONE AT THIS POINT.

AND FOUR F IS LOW.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU THINK, WHY WOULD WE HAVE ONE WITH 549? HOWEVER, WITH FOUR F, I DUNNO IF WE CAN GO BACK.

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT? JUST GO BACK TO ONE OF THESE TWO.

THAT ONE.

SO WITH FOUR F, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE PART OF LIKE ROYCE CITY OR MAYBE MCCLENDON OR SOMETHING, BUT FOUR F IS ACTUALLY CITY OF ROCKWELL AND SO ETJ.

AND SO WE, WHEN WE DID THE LINES IN AFTER REDISTRICTING, WE MADE SURE THAT ALL THE EJS WERE ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE REDOING FULL LINES ALL THE TIME.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL BILLS AND A COUPLE OF 'EM WERE TRACKING ON OUR LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE THAT ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY REMOVE EJS.

FOR CITY OF ROCKWELL? I DON'T KNOW.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE.

SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US MAKING PRECINCTS FOR ELECTION PURPOSES WHEN THE ETJ CAN EXIST AFTER THIS LEGISLATION? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND WE LEARNED WHEN WE DID REDISTRICTING THAT THE CITIES HAVE AGREED, SO CITY OF LIKE UP THERE WHERE FOUR AND ONE E ARE COME TOGETHER, THAT LINE THAT YOU SEE IS THE CITY OF FATE.

AND THE CITY OF ROCKWELL HAVE AGREED ON THAT LINE AS THEIR EJS.

SO I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CITIES DECIDING NOW WE'RE CHANGING WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AGREED ON AS ET JS.

I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE SAY FOUR FI DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD JOIN THE LINE RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SEE FOUR, FOUR C THAT IS CITY OF ROYCE CITY.

SO COULD NOW IF THEY CHANGE IT IN THE LEGISLATION, COULD THAT CHUNK OF FOUR F DECIDE WE WANNA JOIN CITY OF ROYCE CITY INSTEAD OF THE ALREADY AGREED UPON ETJ

[02:25:01]

I MEAN, IT COULD, THAT'S A GREAT, COULD THROW EVERYTHING INTO CHAOS, REALLY.

IT COULD, AND WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY MAKE CHANGES IF THAT HAPPENED.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF, AND WHAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, THIS ONE, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON, BUT UM, IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT LIKE THE GIS MAP, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OPAQUENESS OF WHO ARE COUNTY ONLY VERSUS IN CITY LIMITS.

AND SO SOME OF THESE CHUNKS ARE IN OUR COUNTY ONLY.

AND SO LIKE ALL OF THAT FOUR F RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY MUCH COUNTY ONLY.

I THINK THERE'S A FEW LITTLE, MAYBE 10 OR 15 HOUSES OR SOMETHING THAT ARE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

SO I DON'T, I'M I'M JUST NOT SURE IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CHANGE THE ETJ, IF THEY WOULD GET TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN CITY OR THEY'D HAVE TO GO BY PRE-AGREED UPON BOUNDARIES.

I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION.

AND THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER BILL THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DE ANNEX OUT OF THE ETJ BY SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE.

UM, AND THAT COULD THROW THIS INTO DISARRAY, AND I'M SURE IT'S NOT SOMETHING OUR, UM, LEGISLATORS HAVE HAVE CONTEMPLATED.

BUT IT COULD HAVE REAL, REAL IMPACT ON US.

AND THE OTHER THING TO NOTE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ACTION YOU TAKE, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS, NO IMPACT ON MAY 3RD AND NO IMPACT GOING FORWARD, UH, FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, AND UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, NO IMPACT TO THE PRIMARIES IN THAT THIRD WEEK IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE START EARLY VOTING, WELL, IT WOULD TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1ST.

BUT IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT, RIGHT? WELL, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING PRECINCT LINES, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING COMMISSIONER LINES.

SO THIS IS A, IT COULD BE IN A DIFFERENT PRECINCT, UH, OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

THEY STILL BE THREE OR TWO OR RIGHT TO GET US COMPLIANCE, ADDING A COUPLE PRECINCTS TO GET IN COMPLIANCE, ONE ADDITIONAL PRECINCT.

SO DID I UNDERSTAND YOU, SHERRY, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE PRECINCT, THE, AS FAR AS THE, THE NUMBER A, B, C AND WHATEVER MM-HMM .

YOU, THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME CITY BECAUSE A LONG TIME AGO, PRECINCT TWO HAD A LOT OF HEATH IN IT.

SO, AND NOW, YES, AN ELECTION PRECINCT CAN ONLY HAVE ONE CITY.

WE DO MAKE ONE EXCEPTION FOR THAT FOR OUR 25 VOTERS IN MOBILE CITY.

SO MOBILE CITY IS PART OF THE AREA THAT HAS FATE.

SO THAT ONE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE WITH AT LEAST A HUNDRED.

AND MOBILE CITY ISN'T A HUNDRED.

SO THAT'S OUR ONLY EXCEPTION OF AN ELECTION PRECINCT THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE CITY IN THE ELECTION.

PRECINCT COMMISSIONERS PRECINCTS, THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY CITIES AS THEY WANT.

SO, BUT THE ELECTION PRECINCTS ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE CITY.

INTERESTING.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, DO WE, DO WE NEED TO, AS FAR AS ANY ACTION TODAY, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE CURRENT VOTING BOXES AND AS FAR AS THE PRECINCT BOUNDARIES ON IT, BUT ARE WE NEEDING TO TRY TO, UM, FROM A, FROM A, UM, COMMISSIONER STANDPOINT, DO WE NEED TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE PRECINCTS THAT, THAT'S THIS COURT'S PREROGATIVE? UM, IF YOU DECIDE TO PURSUE THAT COURSE OF ACTION, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO A WORKSHOP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND GOING OUTSIDE LIKE WE DID DURING THE LAST REDISTRICTING AND SPENDING MONEY ON A, ON A FIRM.

UH, I BELIEVE WE COULD DO THIS IN-HOUSE.

WE, WE OWN THE SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES, UH, JUST AS EFFICIENTLY AND FOR FREE.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY REGISTERED VOTERS ARE IN PRECINCT TWO AS OPPOSED TO ONE.

MM-HMM.

OR ANY DISCUSSION THAT THAT, THAT WOULD RELATE TO THAT.

ONE THING ON THAT AS WELL, UM, WHEN THEY, WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL REDISTRICTING, THEY DID IT ON ESSENTIALLY ROOFTOPS OR WELL, NOT ROOFTOPS.

THEY DID IT ON, UM, BLOCKS, LIKE POPULATION BLOCKS FROM THE CENSUS.

SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR REGISTERED VOTERS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO OUR NUMBERS MAY LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THAT ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS NOW, LIKE PRECINCT FOUR, THAT'S LIKE REALLY GROWN BY LIKE 3,500 PEOPLE.

THAT'S NEW HOUSES GOING IN.

SURE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT SOME OF THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU, YOU'VE USED THOSE BLOCKS INSTEAD OF USING VOTER LISTS AND US BEING ABLE, 'CAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP BY STREET AND SEE WHICH IS HOW WE DECIDED WHO WE WERE GONNA MOVE.

WE TRIED TO DO LOGICAL, YOU KNOW, SPLIT IT, JOHN KING.

MM-HMM.

ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, 2 0 5, WE SPLIT MCCLENDON AS 2 0 5 JUST TO TRY TO DO THINGS THAT WERE LOGICAL FOR THE, OUR VOTERS AND FOR US.

BUT THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CENSUS BLOCKS OKAY.

NUMBERS AND THE ELECTION VOTERS.

SO THIS BECOMES EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, SO IT WOULD AFFECT NEXT MARCH AS PRIMARIES, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MOVED ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THEIR COMMISSIONER

[02:30:01]

PRECINCT.

YOU FOLLOW ME? SO WOULDN'T CHANGE COMMISSION.

NO.

BUT YOUR VOTING PLACES, WOULDN'T IT AFFECT? YEAH, WE WERE GONNA, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL POLLING LOCATION.

WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT IT'S GONNA BE, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH WILLIAMS, NO, NOT WILLIAMSBURG.

UH, RIGHT BESIDE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT.

BY WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, TO THE RIGHT.

DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT? JOHN CHAMBERLAIN.

IS IT CHAMBERLAIN OR EDGEWATER? CHAMBERLAIN.

CHAMBERLAIN.

SO THEY, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE OPEN TO ALLOW, UH, US TO USE THAT FOR A LOCATION ON, UH, ELECTION DAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO.

WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE FROM 13 POLLING LOCATIONS ON ELECTION DAY TO 14 TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 50% RULE FOR PRECINCTS.

SO ASSUMING NEW LEGISLATION DOESN'T REQUIRE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT.

ASSUMING YES.

THEN WE WOULD BE HOLDING AN ELECTION IN EACH OF THESE PRECINCTS, WHICH WOULD BE, YEAH.

AND, AND WHICH IS THE DANGER WITH ONE OF THE SPS THAT WE KNOW THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP AND YOU SEE 27 PRECINCTS, IF COUNTYWIDE POLLING WAS ELIMINATED, I'D BE FORCED TO TRY TO STAFF 27 LOCATIONS ON ELECTION DAY.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.

LOOK FOR A COUNTY 12 MILES BY NOPE.

WELL, AND SOME OF THOSE LIKE 1D THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT RESIDENTIAL, SO, YES.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S INCLINED.

YOU KNOW, MATTER OF FACT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE VOTING PRECINCT BOUNDARY CHANGES IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH TEC SECTION 42.006.

I'LL SECOND GOT MY MOTION.

GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.

[23. Discuss/Act on Villarreal Addition Plat, Rockwall County, City of Fate ETJ, with a portion in Collin County; and all related issues; (Judge New – Environmental Health Coordinator)]

CARISSA WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR.

THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 23.

AND AFTER THIS, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN LUNCH AFTER AGENDA ITEM 23 SO I CAN FEEL THE MEAN STAIRS ON ME ALREADY.

UH, SO AGENDA ITEM 23, DISCUSS AND ACT ON VIAL ADDITION.

PLATT ROCKWELL COUNTY, CITY OF FATE, ETJ WITH A PORTION IN COLLIN COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

MS. CARISSA.

HELLO THERE.

UM, SO I'M PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY THE VIAL PLATT.

UM, THIS IS A REPL OF AN EXISTING LOT, UM, THAT IS IN THE CITY OF FATE.

ETJ, IT DOES HAVE THE COLLIN COUNTY LINE THROUGH IT.

THIS ORIGINAL PLAT WAS DONE IN 1979 WITH THAT COUNTY LINE THROUGH THERE.

UM, BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ETJ, CITY OF FATE HAS ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON IT.

COLLIN COUNTY HAS ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON IT, ON THEIR PORTION OF IT.

AND SO NOW IT COMES TO US FOR ACCEPTING OR APPROVING THIS, UH, PLAT THAT'S SUBMITTED TO YOU TODAY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU SAY THIS IS, WE'RE REPLANTING AN EXISTING LOT? YES.

SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S THESE TWO LOTS ARE ONLY ONE.

UM, AND ONE OF 'EM IS 1.08 ACRES AND ONE OF 'EM IS 1.94 ACRES.

ARE THEY SERVED BY SEWER OR ARE THEY SEPTIC? THEY'RE SEPTIC.

THEY'RE SEPTIC.

AND I KNOW OUR SEPTIC IS AND A HALF MINIMUM.

SO WHY ARE WE OKAY WITH 1.06? THAT ONE MAJORITY OF IT IS NOT IN OUR COUNTY, AND THAT'S WHAT COLLIN COUNTY SIGNED OFF ON.

UM, IS THERE A HOUSE ON IT NOW? CURRENTLY? THERE IS A HOUSE ON THAT ONE.

UM, ALL OF THE COMPONENTS AND THE HOUSE IS IN COLLIN COUNTY, COMPONENTS OF THE OSSF AND THE HOUSE IS IN COLLIN COUNTY.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES STAY THAT WAY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE COMPONENTS OF THE OSSF ALL IN COLLIN COUNTY? YES.

IS WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES IT REQUIRE THAT? UM, WELL THAT'S IN LIKE NOT CROSSING A PROPERTY LINE EITHER.

AND THEN WHERE THE COMPONENTS ARE TO REGULATE THAT COMPONENT, UM, IS WHERE THAT IS LOCATED AT.

SO IT IS ALL IN COLLIN COUNTY AS BEEN MOVED TO COLLIN COUNTY.

UM, I CAN GET YOU IF YOU NEED IT TO SEE IT IN LIKE 2 85.

I CAN PULL THAT UP.

NO, I, IT SEEMS LIKE MORE HOT.

IT NO, THIS IS, THIS IS IT JUST, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A STANDARD MM-HMM .

AND WE'RE CHANGING IT FOR THIS.

AND I GET IT THAT THAT'S IN COLLIN COUNTY.

AND AS LONG AS ALL THE OSSF COMPONENTS AND THE HOUSE OR STAY IN COLLIN COUNTY, I GUESS I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, COULD THEY COME IN AND TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND BUILD ANOTHER ONE AND PUT ALL THE OSSF IN OUR COUNTY, THEN IT WOULDN'T MEET OUR MINIMUM FOR OSSF.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT REQUIRES THAT TO HAPPEN.

[02:35:01]

THAT'S MY POINT.

BUT WE'RE APPROVING A PLAT YES.

FOR THE CO IT SAYS IT'S RIGHT.

SO I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S REQUIRED WHEN WE APPROVE THIS PLAT THAT THEIR OSSF COMPONENTS ALL REMAIN IN COLLIN COUNTY ON LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE? I WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT COLLIN COUNTY'S SUB REGS ON THAT ONE OR THEIR INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER AND THEN COMPARE IT TO OURS.

WELL, BUT ISN'T THE THE COUNTY LINE THAT LITTLE DASH LINE GOES THROUGH MM-HMM .

SO UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, IF WE APPROVE THIS LOT AND THE PART THAT'S IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, THEY, THE OWNER OF IT COULD BUILD A NEW HOUSE AND PUT OSSF COMPONENTS ALL IN THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SIDE OF THAT LOT.

THEY COULD.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, I, BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED THE PLAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD ACROSS PROPERTY LINE TO COME INTO ROCKWELL COUNTY.

JUST THAT LITTLE SLIVER IS IN MEAN COUNTY LINE, NOT PROPERTY LINE, SORRY, COUNTY LINE.

DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY BUILT.

I, I WOULD ARGUE THEY CAN'T, BUT I THINK THE, THE BASIS OF YOUR QUESTION IS THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THAT.

WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF WE PLANT THIS.

WE, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY PUSH THE HOUSE DOWN, MOVE IT BACK, PUT A SEPTIC IN ROCKWALL THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER NON-COMPLIANT.

BUT I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DENY THAT PERMIT APPLICATION BASED ON THAT.

WELL, WE, WE, WE WOULD, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE BASIS OF IT IS WE WOULD NEVER KNOW.

ONCE WE PLA IT, IT'S, IT'S CALLING COUNTY.

WE, WE WOULD NEVER, WE WOULD NEVER KNOW.

CAN WE, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY, CAN WE CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THIS PLAT WITH A CONDITION THAT LOT ONE BLOCK ONE, THE OSSF COMPONENTS WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ROCKWALL COUNTY? GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT IS YOU HAVE TO ADD NOTES TO THE, TO THE PLAT IF YOU WANT TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THINGS ON A PLAT.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO GET THAT, GET WITH THE SURVEYOR THAT'S DONE THE PLAT AND HAVE THOSE NOTES ADDED.

AND THAT WAY IT'S ON RECORD WITH THE COUNTY RECORDS THAT PER THE PLAT, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S EASY.

MY COUNTERPART TO COLLIN COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT SIGNED ON THIS PLAT WITH THE OSSF SIDE OF IT.

THAT, THAT'S GREAT.

UM, I HAD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF ANYBODY'S DONE.

I I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IS, IS, IS THAT A BIG DEAL OR IS IT JUST THAT EASY THAT WE GET AHOLD OF THE SURVEYOR AND SAY, ADD THESE NOTES? I CAN GET A HOLD OF 'EM TODAY.

UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, OKAY.

AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE, UH, CHRIS, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OUTTA THIS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IS OUR STANDARDS AND GRANTING WORKERS.

SURE.

SO, UM, WE DO, I MEAN LIKE FOR THE ILA THAT'S WITH THE CITY OF FATE, LIKE THEY HAVE THE PLATTING AUTHORITY TO IT.

WE'RE JUST SIGNING OFF AND OR APPROVING IT OR ACCEPTING IT.

THIS ONE JUST HAS LANGUAGE IN IT THAT IT COMES TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UM, BUT CHECKS, CHECK BOXES HAVE BEEN MADE OF FOLLOWING THE ILAI THINK I CAN DO IT FAIRLY EASILY HERE.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE VIA REAL EDITION PLAT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS CITY OF FATE, ETJ, WITH A PORTION IN COLLIN COUNTY WITH THE CONDITION BEING THAT A NOTE BE ADDED TO THE PLAT BY THE SURVEYOR THAT THE OS ANY OSSF COMPONENTS CONSTRUCTED ON LOT ONE BLOCK ONE WOULD NOT BE, UH, INCLUDED IN, UM, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY PORTION OF THAT LOT.

HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT IS PASSED FIVE TO ZERO.

THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWELL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY

AND AS STATED, IT IS FIVE TILL 12.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO TAKE US INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THEN WE'RE GONNA BREAK FOR LUNCH AND I EXPECT US TO BE BACK HERE ABOUT ONE 30 ISH.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID,

[31. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

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OF THE MATTERS LISTED IN THIS AGENDA.

ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETING SUBCHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY.

AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL MATTERS.

DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE COUNTY ENGINEER, POSITION THE 2050 STRATEGIC PLAN, IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, DISCUSS RESOURCE ALLOCATION TO ENSURE FINANCIAL PERSONNEL AND TECHNOLOGICAL ASSETS ARE IDENTIFIED FOR EXECUTION OF THE PLAN AND OTHER MATTERS.

AND AT 1156, WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[32. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

IT'S ONE 30 AS PROMISED, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001.

THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I CAN TELL YOU NO ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE CAMMIE WEBB, OUR COUNTY ADMIN, TO MAKE AN OFFER TO ERICA BRIDGES FOR COUNTY ENGINEER OF $150,000 AND TWO WEEKS TO BE USED IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS WITH THIS OFFER, COMMENCING MAY 1ST TWO WEEKS VACATION, TWO WEEKS VACATION.

YES, MA'AM.

WILL TAKE US, LET'S GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 21 AND CLEAN THESE UP AS WE GO.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE MY MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

AND THEN THIS

[21. Discuss/Act on hiring an appraiser and taking other related actions with respect to the project named Upper East Fork Laterals Site 5C (sometimes referred to as Wallace Lake) and/or any property affected by such project or property, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]

AGENDA ITEM 21, DISCUSS AN ACT ON HIRING AND APPRAISER AND TAKING OTHER RELATED ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT NAMED UPPER EAST FORK LATERAL SITE FIVE C SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS WALLACE LAKE AND OR ANY PROPERTY AFFECTED BY SUCH PROJECT OR PROPERTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER LTI, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HIRE AN APPRAISER TO TAKE, TO MAKE APPRAISALS AND TAKE ACTION WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT NAME, THE UPPER EAST FORK LATERALS SITE FIVE C, WHICH IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS WALLACE LAKE AND OR ANY PROPERTY AFFECTED BY SUCH PROJECT OR PROPERTY IN AN AMOUNT UP TO $10,000.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER STACY WITH WI WITH WITH THE SECOND.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

[24. Discuss/Act on approving a Granicus proposal for $7,250.40, to be funded from the County Clerk’s Records Management Fund, for the migration of 13 years of legacy video and minutes into Swagit’s platform, and all related issues; (Judge New – County Clerk)]

THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 24, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A GRANICUS PROPOSAL FOR $7,250 AND 40 CENTS TO BE FUNDED FROM THE COUNTY CLERK'S RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND FOR THE MIGRATION OF 13 YEARS OF, OF LEGACY VIDEO AND MINUTES INTO SWAGS PLATFORM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

MS. JENNIFER FOG, I CAN SPEAK TO THIS AND I'M GLAD THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.

THIS ITEM IS GOING TO CHANGE THINGS FOR THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY AND MAKE IT EASIER BY REMOVING THE ARCHAIC SECTION THAT HAS THE MINUTES AND THE OLD VIDEOS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE 13 YEARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO THE SWAG SOFTWARE.

SO WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE NEWEST SECTION FOR SWAG IT UNDER WATCH THE LIVE VIDEO IN THAT SECTION, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT EACH YEAR FOR THE MEETING TYPE REGULAR WORKSHOP AND CONSORTIUM.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

AND THIS IS BEING FUNDED OUTTA MY RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.

SO THIS IS NOT TAXPAYER FUNDED.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND, AND ULTIMATELY THIS WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE CITIZENS TO NOT ONLY WATCH AND ENGAGE, BUT TO SEARCH FOR, UM, ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE, UM, ACT ON APPROVING A GRANITE PROPOSAL FOR $7,250 AND 40 CENTS TO BE FUNDED FROM THE COUNTY CLERK'S RECORD MANAGEMENT FUND FOR THE MIGRATION OF 13 YEARS OF LEGACY VIDEO AND MINUTES INTO THE SWAGS PLATFORM.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25, DISCUSS AN ACT ON PARTICIPATING IN THE ANNUAL TEXAS

THIS BRINGS

[25. Discuss/Act on participating in the annual Texas Association of Counties Cybersecurity Training Program pursuant to Texas Government Code §2054.5191 for an annual fee of $5 per user, and all related issues; (Judge New – IT Director)]

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ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY CYBERSECURITY TRAINING PROGRAM PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2 0 5 4 0.5191 FOR AN ANNUAL FEE OF $5 PER USER AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

MR. BRIAN CRENSHAW.

UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO TAKE A CYBERSECURITY CLASS EVERY YEAR.

ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE THAT USE A COMPUTER FOR 25% OF THEIR TIME OR MORE.

AND THIS IS JUST TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL THAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR IT.

MY PLAN IS TO START SENDING OUT, GET EVERYBODY SIGNED UP AFTER THIS, GET START SENDING OUT EMAILS FOR MAY AND JUNE, AND THEN CATCH ALL THE STRAGGLERS IN JULY LAST YEAR.

IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, WE CHANGED THE POLICY TO MAKE IT WHERE I CAN TURN OFF PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS.

TURN OFF.

SO I, THAT DID WORK LAST YEAR.

THAT MADE IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

IT STILL WAS LESS THAN FIVE PEOPLE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A BIG PROBLEM.

BUT THANK YOU FOR CHANGING THAT LAST YEAR.

AND I'LL JUST DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

IT COSTS $5 PER USER.

UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR CRENSHAW? WELL, I, I, THIS IS, I THINK THAT YOU SAID THIS IS AN ANNUAL, BUT IT'S PER THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE THAT YOU HAVE LI WE HAVE LISTED HERE.

SO IT IS THAT EVERYONE HAS TO TAKE IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR, EVERY YEAR.

AND THEN, UH, THE WAY IT'S IN, IT'S NOT REALLY ENFORCED, BUT THEN I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO PEOPLE FOR GRANT APPLICATION.

SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE DA AND MAYBE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT THEY REQUIRE THIS, UH, CERTIFICATION THING, SO.

GOT IT.

SO CAN YOU SEND AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING TELLING ME HOW TO DO THIS? YOU WILL GET, YOU'LL GET EMAILS ABOUT IT.

OKAY, THANKS.

AND IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY EASY.

I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU HAVEN'T SET THROUGH SOMETHING, OR AT LEAST SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.

UM, YEAH, DON'T CLICK ON LINKS AND EMAIL.

THAT'S KIND OF PRETTY MUCH, AND, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU, YOU WILL ALMOST IMMEDIATELY START GETTING PHISHING EMAILS THAT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE.

AND WE ARE, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, THE COUNTY IS JUST CONTINUALLY UNDER ATTACK.

YEP, ABSOLUTELY.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE ANNUAL TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY CYBERSECURITY TRAINING PROGRAM PURSUANT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2 0 5 4 0.5191 FOR AN ANNUAL FEE OF $5 PER USER.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, I'LL SECOND IT.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 26, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN OUTER LOOP, ROUTE RESOLUTION, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[26. Discuss/Act on approving an Outer Loop Route Resolution, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

UH, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, DID YOU HAVE A YEAH, UM, WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT IT, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ADJUST BEFORE I VOTED ON THIS RESOLUTION.

UM, ONE OF WHICH WAS ADDRESSED IN THE OPEN FORUM THIS MORNING WHERE SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION AND HOW IT RELATED TO OUR ROAD CONSORTIUM BECAUSE THE ROAD CONSORTIUM WAS NOT INCLUDED.

THE OTHER, UM, RELATED TO OUR CONVERSATIONS, WHICH, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY AND I HAVE HAD WITH NET COG AND MICHAEL MORRIS AND HOW WE DISCUSSED, WE WERE PROCEEDING WITH THIS, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION MAKE MADE AT THE LAST ROAD CONSORTIUM, WHICH KIND OF OUTLINED A PLAN FOR GOING FORWARD.

AND I, I REALIZE THIS IS A VERY, UM, OH, SOMEONE MIGHT SAY FLUFFY AND SOFT RESOLUTION, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH.

UM, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD WANNA ADDRESS BEFORE I VOTED ON IT.

SO I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS.

AND I'VE GOT HERE FOR EACH OF YOU A CLEAN AND MARKED COPY TO SHOW THE CHANGES THAT I MADE.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL ALL HAVE THE TIME TO LOOK AT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THOSE CHANGES.

BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY TO DEAL WITH THOSE TWO ISSUES, UH, WHICH RECOGNIZE THE ROLE OF THE, UM, THE ROAD CONSORTIUM, UM, AND ALSO WHICH, UH, UH, ACKNOWLEDGES OUR WORK WITH NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNTY OF GOVERNMENTS.

W WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO ME READING THIS INTO THE RECORD? I, I, I HAVE ZERO OBJECTION.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT MYSELF, BUT I MIGHT MAKE A LOT OF MISTAKES, AND YOU PROBABLY READ MORE CLEARLY THAN I DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF EITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE TRUE, BUT , BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA READ THIS INTO THE RECORD, THE OUTER LOOP ROUTE RESOLUTION, WHEREAS ROCKWALL

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COUNTY IS CONTRACTED WITH HALF TO STUDY THE ROUTE OF THE OUTER LOOP THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND WHEREAS THE CONNECTION IN THE NORTH SHOULD ALIGN WITH COLLIN COUNTY'S PROJECTED ROUTE, AND WHEREAS THE CONNECTION IN THE SOUTH SHOULD ALIGN WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY'S PROJECTED ROUTE, WHEREAS ROCKWALL COUNTY HAS ENGAGED AND WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS REGARDING POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS FOR THE OUTER LOOP.

AND WHEREAS ANY FINAL PROPOSALS OR DECISIONS BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT REGARDING THE OUTER LOOP SHOULD BE MADE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ROAD CONSORTIUM.

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO WORK WITH COLLIN AND KAUFFMAN COUNTY TO CONNECT THE OUTER LOOP.

AND NOW BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE ROCKWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH HUNT COUNTY TO THE EAST TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE ROUTES FOR CONNECTING THE OUTER LOOP, WHICH MAY IMPACT HUNT COUNTY APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY ROCKWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT THIS EIGHTH DAY OF APRIL, 2025.

SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS, EDITS, DELETIONS, ANYTHING WE WANT TO ADD BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? YEAH, YOU JUST, I JUST SAW THIS.

WE NEED SOME MUSIC TO PLAY .

SO, AND I THINK THE, THE SOFT, YOU KNOW, THE SOFT WORDS YOU USED A WHILE AGO COULD, COULD BE CONSTRUED THIS WAY, BUT IS IT THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT THE ROOTS MAY WANNA BE PER, PER THE LAST CONSORTIUM MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE YOU AND COMMISSIONER CHA PRESENTED THAT YOU, YOU WERE GONNA COME BACK TO THE CONSORTIUM WITH POSSIBLE ROOTS.

AND I GUESS THIS IS SAYING WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT WE MAY ALSO ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON PRODUCING THOSE TWO TO THREE ADDITIONAL ROUTE, OR EXCUSE ME, UP TO SIX ADDITIONAL ROUTES, IS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU SAID.

UM, I'M A LITTLE CON I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THIS.

AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THIS RESOLUTION IS NECESSARY, BUT I KNOW IT'S PROPOSED AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL WANNA WORK, UH, TOGETHER AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

SO THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER M**K, IS ABSOLUTELY, I DON'T, I ABSOLUTELY, WE WILL GO, COME BACK TO THE CONSORTIUM, WE WILL MAKE PRESENTATIONS TO, UH, NET COG AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT, UH, AMONGST THIS COURT.

I DON'T SEE THIS AS CHANGING ANY OF THAT.

UM, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THE WAY THE SECOND RESOLUTION WAS WORDED, THAT IT KIND AS ORIGINALLY IT, IT WR WRITTEN, IT KIND OF MADE IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE MOVING INTO HUNT COUNTY.

WHICH IS NOT, NOT MY INTENTION.

CERTAINLY, I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT NOT MY INTENTION.

WE MAY, UH, AS WE'VE SAID IN THE CONSORTIUM MEETING, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT SOME OF THE ALIGNMENTS THAT ARE PROJ GONNA BE PRESENTED TO, UH, NET COG WILL INCLUDE MOVEMENT OF A PORTION.

OR MAYBE ALL I, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT SOME PORTION OF THE LOOP INTO HUNT COUNTY MM-HMM .

FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE JUDGE WANTED TO HAVE THIS RESOLUTION SO THAT HE WOULD FEEL THE ABILITY TO AT LEAST HAVE THE, UH, CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THAT HE COULD TALK WITH OTHER COUNTIES ABOUT THIS.

AND, UM, SO I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I THINK THE WAY IT READS, IT REALLY DOESN'T TAKE ANY OTHER ACTION.

IT SAYS WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH HUNT COUNTY TO THE EAST TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE ROUTES FOR CONNECTING THE OUTER LOOP, WHICH MAY IMPACT HUNT COUNTY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S OUR ONLY ROUTE IS TO GO OVER IN, IN FACT, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS READ, IT'S, IT'S, AS I SAID, VERY SOFT AND FLUFFY.

IT DOESN'T EVEN SAY WE'RE GOING TO HUNT COUNTY JUST AS WE MAY IMPACT IT.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

UM, SO THEN, IS THERE OTHER REASONS WE'RE DOING THIS? 'CAUSE I, I DO KNOW YOU'RE HAVING A TOWN HALL WITH, UM, UM, UM, REPRESENTATIVE P PEARSON AND THE OUTER LOOP IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THAT YES.

ON THAT.

SO IS THIS TIED INTO SOME TYPE OF A, OF A PURPOSE FOR OUR, OUR REPRESENTATIVE? NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS, I WASN'T THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THIS.

AND IF THIS WAS NOT DONE, I WOULD'VE GONE AHEAD WITH MY TOWN HALL.

I PLANNED MY TOWN HALL BEFORE I KNEW WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS RESOLUTION.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY TOWN HALL.

UH, NOT MY TOWN HALL.

THE TOWN HALL FOR THE PEOPLE OF PRECINCT THREE.

PRECINCT THREE.

I KNOW, I'M GOOD.

SAY, 'CAUSE I AM MERELY A REPRESENTATIVE.

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YOU MIGHT SAY I'M A FACE IN THE CROWD.

JUST A MAN OF THE PEOPLE.

A HUMBLE PUBLIC SERVANT TRYING TO DO HIS BUSINESS FOR THE BEST HE CAN REEL IT BACK, REEL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

THAT WAS A GOOD SAY.

SO, UM, SO THEN FROM A FINANCIAL IMPLICATION, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE NORTH PART OF THE OUTER LOOP, WE HAVE ALREADY, UM, COMMITTED TO OR EXPENDED APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION ON THE STUDY FOR THE NORTH PART OF THE LOOP.

SO IF, IF THIS MOVES IT TO HUNT COUNTY, LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE 5 MILLION THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, INVESTED IN.

UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN GO SIX SAYS MILLION, 6 MILLION KNOW THAT YOU CAN GO FIND $6 MILLION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN.

SO IT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT THERE, IT'S SPENT.

I WILL, I'D LIKE TO.

SO WOULD HUNT COUNTY QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SPENDING THE FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.

UM, WHEN WE MET WITH NET COG, WHEN COMMISSIONER STACY AND I MET WITH NET COG, UM, THE MESSAGE WE RECEIVED FROM THEM WAS, IF YOU GIVE US A CONNECTION WITH COLLIN COUNTY WHERE WE WANT, AND YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION WITH I 30 WHERE WE WANT, AND YOU GIVE US A CONNECTION WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY IN THE GENERAL AREA, WE WANT, THEN, UM, THEN YOU ARE FREE TO PROPOSE OTHER ALIGNMENTS.

NOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO BIND ANYBODY ON THIS COURT, BUT IF WE STUCK WITH THOSE THREE THINGS, MOST OF THAT NORTHERN SECTION COMMISSIONER M**K, I BELIEVE WOULD STAY IN PLACE WHERE IT IS.

AND SO THAT MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT MM-HMM .

WOULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE THE REMAINDER OF THE MONEY, YOU REMEMBER, IF THIS, THE CONTRACT WITH HALF PROVIDED FOR THE NORTHERN PART ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THE SOUTHERN, AND THERE'LL HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR THAT.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET ALIGNMENTS THAT WE AS A COUNTY ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH MM-HMM .

BEFORE WE ENTER INTO THAT SECOND CONTRACT.

DOES THAT HELP? SORT OF, SORT OF, YEAH.

I, I, I, I, I JUST, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE PAST AND LOOK AT NEARLY 20 YEARS WORTH OF COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND COM AND CONSORTIUMS. NOT ALL THE CONSORTIUM WASN'T ALL IN THE 20 YEARS WHERE THEY HAVE LOOKED AT AND SPENT TIME WITH THIS OTHER, OTHER LEADERS THAT SAT EITHER HERE IN OUR CHAIRS OR IN, UH, IN MUNICIPALITIES.

AND SO I'M JUST CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ALSO THAT OKAY, WE SPENT 5 MILLION, THAT'S NOT ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND.

OH, OF COURSE NOT.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY THE AMOUNT'S A HUNDRED MILLION NOW THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND FOR THE NORTH ALIGNMENT.

ARE WE OBLIGATED TO SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION NOW THAT WE SPENT FIVE? OR CAN CAN WE INTRODUCE OTHER OPTIONS, OTHER CONVERSATIONS INTO THIS 5 MILLION? YEAH.

WE SPENT IT AND WE CAN'T GET IT BACK.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE OBLIGATED TO JUST CONTINUE RIGHT.

SPENDING MONEY ON, ON THIS ROUTE.

THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER THAN THE PLANS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE, BUT YES, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LEADS BACK TO ONE OF THE, THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS THIS COURT HAD ABOUT WHY IS IT SO SLOW TO DO ROADS, .

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO I'VE SEEN DOCUMENTS 2004 MM-HMM .

I HAVE TOO.

WHY ISN'T THIS ROAD BUILT? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS.

IF, IF THIS IS AN, AN IMPORTANT ROAD, IT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AND WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS PORT IS IS OPEN TO LOOKING AT DOING ROADS A DIFFERENT WAY, DOING ROADS QUICKER.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE 5 MILLION YEAH.

WE'VE SPENT IT, BUT I DON'T, I WOULDN'T TAKE THAT AS THAT OBLIG OBLIGATES US TO CONTINUE SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.

AND MAYBE IT DOES.

MAYBE, MAYBE WE DO, BUT I, I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OUTER LOOP WAS EVER INTENDED TO BE A FAST THAT'S, IT WAS IN THEIR 2045 MOBILITY PLAN FOR COG.

SO.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN ANY DANGER OF DELAYING THIS ROAD, UH, BEYOND WHEN THEY WANT TO BUILD IT.

I MEAN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANNA, LIKE DANA SAID, THIS IS ON THEIR 2045 PLAN.

SO I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT WE'RE DELAYING IT, AND I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DOING THIS RESOLUTION AND THEN NOT GOING BACK TO THE CONSORTIUM, WHICH WAS MY ONLY REAL CONCERN WITH THE RESOLUTION, WAS THAT I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET AWAY FROM, UH, HAVING THE CONSORTIUM AS A BODY AGREE TO A PATH FORWARD.

COURT REGARDING THE OUTER LOOP SHOULD BE MADE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ROAD CONSORTIUM.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER GANA, THAT'S WHY WHEN I READ THE CONSORTIUM LIKE YOU, THAT WAS A CONCERN I HAVE.

AND THAT'S WHY I ADDED IN, UH, THE SECOND, UH, NEW, UH, RECITAL, WHICH SAYS, WHEREAS ANY FINAL PROPOSAL OR DECISIONS BY THE COMMISSIONER'S

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IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE APPROVED ABOUT AN HOUR, FOUR OR FIVE HOURS AGO, BOY, IF WE'RE GONNA BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, IT TALKS ABOUT COLLABORATION IN OUR COUNTY ALL WORKING TOGETHER.

AND THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN OF THE RESOLUTION.

THAT'S WHY, AND I THINK THAT I'VE ADDRESSED IT IN THERE BY SAYING WE WILL BRING ANYTHING BACK.

AND I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE, FRANKLY, PERSONALLY, MAKING A DECISION ON THIS WITHOUT GOING TO THE ROAD CONSORTIUM AND GETTING THEIR INPUT.

AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES.

THIS ISN'T SETTING IN STONE ANYTHING AND IN HUNT COUNTY.

AND REALLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD IN THE PAST WAS FUND THE REST OF THE STUDY AND THEN YOU GET TO THE LOCAL, UH, CHOICE ROUTES.

BUT THIS IS JUST SAYING, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.

DO WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY TO GET TO THAT? AND I SO CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE JUST, CAN WE DO THAT STEP BEFORE WE SPEND MONEY? CAN, CAN WE GET THERE AND THEN TALK ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY? CORRECT.

WELL, AND I, I WANNA JUST SET THIS MONEY SPENDING SIDE ISSUE FOR A WHILE ASIDE.

FOR A WHILE.

IF YOU JUST THINK OF IT, IF YOU, AND IF YOU, WE CAN TAKE AWAY ALL THE ANXIETY AND POLITICAL STRESS THAT SURROUNDS THE OUTER LOOP, WHICH IS THERE FOR MOST OF CITIZENS, AT LEAST ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY.

UM, ALL WE'RE REALLY SAYING HERE IS BY THIS RESOLUTION IS WE WANNA TALK TO THE OTHER COUNTIES AND MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.

'CAUSE IF WE WERE TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, UM, AT ONE POINT, IF WE WERE GONNA SAY, LET'S, LET'S JUST GO TAKE 2 76 OVER AND DOWN.

HE AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT, WELL, HOW CAN WE DO THAT WITHOUT TALKING TO HOW COUNT COUNTY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, WE WERE SAYING, HERE, PUT IT IN YOUR YARD, WE GOTTA TALK TO 'EM.

AND THIS IS, AS I, THE MORE I READ THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION, THE MORE I THOUGHT IT IS PRETTY SOFT AND FLUFFY.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONVEY TO THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WHICH IS WHY I PUT THE FIRST NEW RECITAL IN THERE, THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT ALL POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS.

WE'RE NOT GOING ROGUE AND JUMPING OFF AND DOING WHATEVER WE WANT.

SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF TRYING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU AND COMMISSIONER STACY BOTH SAYING THAT, UM, PER MICHAEL MORRIS, HE, HE INVITED YOU GUYS TO, UM, TO GIVE SOME DIFFERENT ROUTES.

SO, AND YOU'VE PRESENTED THAT.

SO I JUST, I'D LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

UM, WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I'M ASSUMING THAT HUNT COUNTY IS, IS OPEN TO US HAVING THESE, THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND THAT THEY'VE, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE THEY BROUGHT THIS TO THEIR VOTERS TO SEE IF THEIR VOTERS WOULD LIKE TO NO.

THEIR FIRST HURDLE, THEY HAVE A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO BRING IT TO.

UH, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPEN.

UH, JUST ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN COLLIN COUNTY HUNT COUNTY, AND FOR THAT MATTER, KAUFMAN COUNTY, AND I GET TOGETHER, ONE OF THE THINGS WE AGREE ON JUST FUNDAMENTALLY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL EACH OTHER WHAT TO DO MM-HMM .

IN, IN OUR RESPECTIVE COUNTIES.

UH, SO WE CAN SAY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS.

I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT TO DO IN YOUR COUNTY.

UH, SO WE, WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP.

IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, AFTER COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND STACY DISCUSSED WITH HALF WHAT THEY EXPECTED AND WHAT THEIR VISIONS AND GOALS WERE, HALF HAS STARTED LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE IN THE WAY UTILITIES, UM, PUBLIC, UM, FACILITIES, UTILITIES.

UM, HUNT COUNTY HAS SAID, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO IT.

UM, WE NEED TO SEE IT.

AND ESSENTIALLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS JUMPED US TO DRAWING LINES ON A MAP, UH, THAT, THAT'S GONNA START THE CONVERSATION THERE.

TO GO TO THEIR TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HERE? UM, DOES THAT WORK OR NOT? OKAY.

GOOD.

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

UM, YES.

I THINK BRENDA'S RAISING HER HAND.

UH, SHE'S BACK THERE.

, YOU ARE THE LAST SOLDIER REMAINING HERE IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

TELL, TELL US WHO YOU ARE.

NO, BRENDA CALLOWAY.

I AM WITH ITS.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT EAST OF THE THREE THAT HALF HAVE ALREADY VETTED, COG WILL LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC MODELING ON THOSE, BUT YOU STILL NEED HALF TO LOOK AT CEMETERIES, UH, PLACES OF WORSHIP, UTILITIES, AIRPORTS, THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT MAY PREVENT THOSE FROM BEING VIABLE ROUTES.

UM, YOU ALSO NEED MICHAEL MORRISON COG TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC MODELING TO SEE IF THEY'RE VIABLE ROUTES.

SO WE'VE GOT A MAP AND MARKERS MEETING, I THINK SET UP FOR EITHER THE 21ST OR THE 28TH WHERE ITS AND HALF'S GONNA GET WITH COMMISSIONER STACEY AND COMMISSIONER LICHTY TO ROLL OUT THE MAP, GET THE MARKERS, LOOK AND TRY TO DRAW A LINE.

UM,

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AND SO THEY'RE PREPARED ON APRIL 15TH TO START UP WITH YOU AGAIN AND LOOK AT POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.

BUT THERE STILL WILL BE SOME WORK THAT THEY WILL NEED TO DO TO DETERMINE THE VIABILITY OF THEM.

SO REALLY, WHILE THE RESOLUTION, I THINK DOES NOT PREVENT THIS FROM GOING ON IT, IT MAY BE A BIT PREMATURE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IF THOSE ALTERNATIVES WILL, WILL WORK WITH THE TRAFFIC AND WITH THE, UM, THINGS THAT POSSIBLY ARE OUT THERE TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENTS TODAY.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ARGUE IS THAT IT'S, YOU SIT IN A CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

IF, IF, LET'S JUST PRETEND WE CAN GET INTO A MARKERS MEETING AND WE KICK IT TO HUNT COUNTY, WE CAN'T EVEN, THEN WE HAVE A SECONDARY VIABILITY ISSUE.

AND THAT IS WILL HUNT COUNTY EVEN ACCEPT IT? SO I THINK THAT THEY GO ON CONCURRENT BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE DO A MARKERS AND IF, IF WE DRAW A ROUTE AND WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH HUNT COUNTY AND THEY SAY NO, AND THEN WE STICK TO OUR GOAL OF NOT TELLING HUNT COUNTY WHAT TO DO, THEN WE KNOW THAT THAT ROUTE DOESN'T WORK.

'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT.

SO THAT COMES OFF THE TABLE.

IT JUST COMES IN, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHERE'S THE CARTON? WHERE'S THE HORSE? AND, AND I, AND I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE BOTH CONCURRENT.

WE NEED TO BE TALKING, WE NEED TO BE OPEN.

WE NEED TO BE THINKING WE NEED, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, WHICH IS WHAT COMMISSIONER LICK D AND I DID, AND WHAT WE TOLD MICHAEL MORRIS WE WERE GONNA DO, IS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AS, AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

THEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS PREMATURE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NOT PREMATURE.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY RUN AS INDEPENDENT ACTIVITIES.

I THINK THAT THEY CAN RUN SOMEWHAT CONCURRENT BECAUSE THE MAP IS GONNA BE THE MAP AND WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH SOME SORT OF ROUTE.

IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE CONSORTIUM AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT.

LIKE, I, I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THIS DOES ANYTHING BEFORE OR AFTER A A EFFECT.

TO YOUR POINT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT BECAUSE WE COULD MEET WITH HALF, UM, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN GET TO HUNT COUNTY.

IT'S NOT EVEN FEASIBLY POSSIBLE THEN THAT'S FINE.

WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO TALK TO 'EM.

I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT COMES FIRST.

AND THEN YOU GET INTO GOVERNMENT WORLD.

OKAY, LET'S SAY WE MEET IN TWO WEEKS AND THEN WE FIND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ROUTE POSSIBLE AND EVERYONE'S EXCITED ABOUT IT.

AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HUNT COUNTY.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN PASSED A RESOLUTION.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM.

AND SOMEHOW EVERYONE'S IN FAVOR OF IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH COMES FIRST, OR I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE IN BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH ANOTHER POLITICAL ENTITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMES FIRST OR LAST.

WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE A MAY CONSORTIUM MEETING AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION TOGETHER TO PRESENT TO THAT MAY CONSORTIUM MEETING.

AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS PART OF GATHERING INFORMATION TO GO BACK TO THAT CONSORTIUM AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.

WE'VE HAD THIS MEETING, WE'VE HAD THESE TALKS, WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE DONE THIS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS LATER AND, AND GIVE THEM ANOTHER UPDATED REPORT.

AND I THINK SOMETIME THIS SUMMER WE'RE, WE, WE HAVE A ROUTE AND, AND, AND WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

LIKE, THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK.

SO I MEAN, I I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IN A CART BEFORE THE HORSE SITUATION.

I THINK THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION UNDER THE TABLE AS POSSIBLE AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH IT, UM, AS A COLLECTIVE.

THAT'S WHAT I FEEL UNDERSTOOD.

SO, UNDERSTOOD.

UH, JUST OUR POINT WAS, UM, LETTING MICHAEL MORRISON COG MODEL THE TRAFFIC TO SEE IF THAT ROUTE WOULD EVEN AFFECT OR IF A ROUTE IN HUNT COUNTY WOULD BE VIABLE, UM, BEFORE MAYBE HOLDING EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

BUT I CAN SEE HOW YOU COULD RUN IT CONCURRENTLY.

AND I, UH, BRENDA, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND YOUR COMMENTS.

I FULLY EXPECT THAT WE WILL RUN THOSE MODELS WITH AND ASK THE COG TO DO IT.

THEY'VE OFFERED TO, WE TAKE 'EM UP ON THAT OFFER.

UH, ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK THE EXISTING THREE OPTIONS THAT ARE DRAWN OUT SHOW IS THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC BASED ON EACH OF THOSE OPTION.

WE HAVE A MAP FROM COG THAT SHOWS IF WE HAVE AN OUTER LOOP OR IF WE DON'T HAVE AN OUTER LOOP, HERE'S THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT SAYS IF WE HAVE AN OUTER LOOP THAT GOES HERE OR HERE OR HERE OR HERE.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I, ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS I THINK THEY'LL BE PROVIDING US.

SO WE'VE ABSOLUTELY GOTTA

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DO THAT.

UM, YES, NORMALLY COG PROVIDES YOU AN ENVELOPE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED YOU, UM, IS LOOKING AT A OUTER LOOP IN AN, IN AN ENVELOPE WITHIN PLUS OR MINUS SO MANY MILES FROM YOUR MAJOR NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL, WHICH IS 2 0 5.

SO SEPARATING THE THREE ROUTES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK'S GONNA HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE CONSORTIUM.

'CAUSE IT'S INSIDE THAT ENVELOPE.

THERE'S A, WHAT THEY CALL A PAIN THRESHOLD WHEN YOU PUSH IT OUTSIDE OF THAT ENVELOPE THAT FOLKS WILL NOT GET OFF YOUR MAJOR NORTH SOUTH TO SWING OVER AND ACCESS THAT.

RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THE THREE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE SEEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON, IF YOU MOVE IT ANY FURTHER EAST, THAT'S WHERE I THINK COGS GONNA HELP YOU WITH THE VIABILITY.

GOOD.

UM, BUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS I'VE SEEN, UM, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING IT, YOU PUT IT ONE, TWO OR THREE, IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT TRAFFIC WITHIN THOSE SIDE STREETS.

I'M SAYING IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME IMPACT AS WE SHOWED AT THE CONSORTIUM MEETING.

THE LAST CONSORTIUM MEETING WHERE JOHN HAD THE MAPS THAT SAID WITH THE OUTER LOOP, THIS IS THE DENSITY OF TRAFFIC YOU CAN EXPECT ON YOUR SIDE ROADS WITH THE OUTER LOOP.

THIS IS THE DENSITY THAT YOU CAN EXPECT ON YOUR SIDE ROADS.

THOSE THREE ALTERNATIVES ARE IN THE ENVELOPE WHERE THEY HAVE VERY SIMILAR EFFECTS TO YOUR SIDE ROADS.

WELL, YOU AND I MEAN THIS SERIOUSLY, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN I DO ABOUT THAT, BUT I WOULD THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN PRECINCT THREE IS DEPENDING UPON WHICH OF THOSE ROUTES, IT WILL SHIFT TRAFFIC, FOR EXAMPLE, TO 2 0 5 SO THAT YOU LOSE THE BENEFIT OF IT THE FURTHER EAST YOU GO.

AND THAT MAY BE TRUE, MAY NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I WANNA, I WANNA KNOW, AND I WANNA KNOW THE ANSWERS AND I WANNA KNOW WHATEVER ALIGNMENT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COUNTY.

AND SO WE GOTTA GO BACK AND WORK WITH COG AND OH, DEFINITELY THEY'VE GOT THE DATA, SO YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MODEL IT FOR YOU.

NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY ON HALF TO LOOK FOR YOUR AIRPORTS, YOUR HOUSING SUBDIVISIONS, YOUR UTILITIES, OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HAVE A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THIS ROUTE.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BRENDA.

ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

JUDGE, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

QUESTION.

YES MA'AM.

PLEASE.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT CAN YOU SPELL THIS OUT FOR ME? UM, ON DOES THIS UNS SUSPEND THE HALF OF THE NO, IT IT, IT IT DOES NOT.

UM, IT'S NOT UNSU SUSPENDING IT.

HOW ARE, IF IF WE'RE, HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE PUTTING THEM IN HERE THEN IF WE'RE NOT UNSU, SUSPEND THEM, THEM ITPS ITSELF ON APRIL 15TH, AUTOMATIC, IT'S AUTOMATIC 90 DAYS.

IT'S A 90 DAY SUSPENSION AND IT EXPIRES.

SO THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THE, THE, UM, THE ROUTES? WELL, WE WON'T WITHOUT HE ASSISTANCE ON THIS.

NO, NO.

WE WE'RE HAVING THEIR ASSISTANCE THE, ON JANUARY 14TH MM-HMM .

WE SUSPENDED THE CONTRACT FOR 90 DAYS, SO FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL.

SO ABOUT THE 14TH, THE CONTRACT'S BACK IN PLACE.

WHAT, SO IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEN WORKING AGAIN, UM, AUTOMATICALLY.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING, WHAT THE, THE MEETING THAT COMMISSIONER STACY'S REFERRING TO IS ONE THAT WE'RE SETTING UP SO THAT WE CAN MEET WITH THEM TO TRY AND INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THEM CONTINUE EXACTLY AS THEY WERE GOING TO CONSIDER WHAT SOME OTHER ALIGNMENTS MIGHT BE AS PART OF THAT WORK UNDER THE CONTRACT.

BUT THE CONTRACT AUTOMATICALLY UN SUSPENDS 90 DAYS AFTER JANUARY 14TH.

UM, I'D LIKE TO, I'VE GOT COPIES OF THESE.

IF THE COUNTY CLERK AND THE COUNTY, UM, AUDITOR WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM IN CASE I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.

IS THERE ANYTHING JUST, I'M SORRY.

NO, GO, GO, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, UH, IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I'LL HAVE, IF THIS PASSES, I'LL HAVE FELICIA GET ALL THESE ON ONE PAGE AND MAKE IT A LITTLE PRETTIER, BUT WON'T CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE OUTER LOOP ROOT RESOLUTION AS MODIFIED AND CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY.

ARE YOU, SO IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION I AM,

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I'M GONNA CALL THAT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

ITEM 27, OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THIS PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THANK YOU ALL WHO PARTICIPATED.

THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA

[CONSENT AGENDA]

UM, JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM A FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM A MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND, AND WITH THAT, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? UM, NUMBER 27 B-C-D-E-F-G-H.

AND I GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

SECOND.

GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

WELL, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

SO THAT BRINGS US

[27.a. Minutes of previous meeting(s)]

IF YOU GIVE ME A MINUTE, I, I HAVE, UH, ON MY VERY FIRST MEETING ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, I RAISED SOME QUESTIONS WITH, UM, OUR, THE MINUTES THAT WERE PRESENTED.

AND I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR COUNTY CLERK ON THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES.

AND I'VE TALKED WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, WHOSE PARTNER IS SITTING OVER THERE, OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A PARTNER OR AN ASSOCIATE OR WHAT IT IS, BUT YOUR, HIS COLLEAGUE IS SITTING OVER THERE AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THESE, THIS LAST MINUTES THAT I DON'T THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.

UM, AND THEY'RE RELATED TO MOTIONS.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IN A MINUTE.

I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN A MINUTE TO MAKE A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THESE, UH, MINUTES, UM, TO CORRECT WHAT I THINK ARE SUR SU SUPERFLUOUS LANGUAGE THAT WAS SPOKEN WITHOUT EXACT PRECISION, BUT WHICH EVERYONE REALIZES WAS NOT PART OF THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE.

AND IN MY OPINION, A MOTION IS MADE TO CREATE A, UM, OR A MINUTES.

MINUTES ARE MADE TO GIVE A REFLECTION OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MEETING WAS.

AND IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IS PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THIS.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IF NOT, I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY MOTION.

UM, WHAT, WHAT, UH, IS YOUR MOTION GONNA INCLUDE THE EDITS OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE EDITS AND THEN THE MOTION? WOW.

OR IS THERE ANY RELEVANCE TO THAT QUESTION AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW.

I I COULD, I GUESS WE COULD DO IT EITHER WAY.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE.

AND JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION NOTE, I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION AT THIS TIME, UM, ON THE OLD MINUTES.

UH, ITEM 11, UH, THERE ISN'T A PAGE NUMBER.

UH, UH, BUT THIS IS A MOTION YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER.

THIS IS WHEN YOU WERE GONE.

SEE HOW HE FELL IN THE DITCH WITHOUT YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH.

UM, SO THIS IS THE MOTION THAT WE MADE WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO ADJUST THE POINTS TO EVALUATE THE SHERIFF'S POLL PROPOSAL FOR NIGHT GOGGLES.

AND, UM, I WALKED THROUGH IT AND I SAID THAT WE'LL GIVE 20 POINTS FOR PRICING OR TURN US A RESPONSE, 25 POINTS FOR PRICING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND THEN I SAID, UH, WITHOUT PRECISION, UH, I'M GONNA SAY 40 POINTS FOR WARRANTY AND WARRANTY DEAL DETAILS.

I'M GONNA SAY 15.

AND I THINK THAT ADDS UP TO A HUNDRED.

IF SOMEBODY CAN CHECK MY MATH.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE INTENDED.

I KNOW.

I CERTAINLY DIDN'T INTEND THE, I'M GONNA SAY, I'M GONNA SAY, AND I THINK THAT ADDS UP TO A HUNDRED IF SOMEBODY CAN CHECK MY MATH TO BE PART OF THE MOTION.

SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT THAT BE STRICKEN.

UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE, UM, ON PAGE, IT'S ITEM 13 WHERE COMMISSIONER STACY WAS MAKING A MOTION ABOUT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, AND THIS WAS, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A $55,000 EXPENDITURE.

AND HE SAID HE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MANAGEMENT CONSULTING AGREEMENT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.

AND

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HE SAID, UH, HOLD ON.

I WANT TO GET THE NUMBER EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE AMOUNT OF 55,000.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY INTENDED THAT.

HOLD ON.

I WANT TO GET THE NUMBER EXACTLY RIGHT, BE PART OF THE MOTION.

I KNOW WHEN I VOTED ON IT, I DID NOT INTEND THAT TO BE PART OF IT.

AND THEN, UH, FURTHER ON, ON IN ITEM 14, UH, I STARTED A MOTION, I GOT TONGUE TIED, UH, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT FOR ME.

UM, AND I SAID, I'M SORRY, LET'S START ALL OVER AGAIN.

SO THEN I DID A MOTION, WHICH BY THE WAY, READ FLUENTLY AND PERFECTLY AFTER THAT.

BUT THE FIRST ONE WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN OFFICIAL MOTION.

I DON'T THINK.

I THINK WHEN I SAY I WANNA START OVER, THAT MEANS LET'S JUST GO BACK AND I'LL START OVER.

SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND MAKING.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL ABOUT THIS, AND, UM, WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING LEGALLY CORRECT, WE WANNA DO IT LEGALLY.

RIGHT? AND I'VE BEEN ASSURED BY HIM, AND IF I'M WRONG, STEP ON ME.

I'VE BEEN ASSURED BY HIM THAT CHANGES LIKE THIS ARE PERMISSIBLE.

AND I'VE ALSO, BY THE WAY, THIS MORNING I SPOKE WITH OUR COUNTY CLERK AND I OFFERED TO SIT DOWN WITH HER AND OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND TALK ABOUT HOW TO DO MINUTES IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THIS TIME AT EVERY MEETING.

AND YOU GUYS DON'T GET SICK OF ME BRINGING US UP AT EVERY MEETING LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.

I'M FINE QUESTIONS.

IF I COULD ALSO ADD TO THE RECORD THAT THE MINUTES THAT I CREATE ARE MY, UM, INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING.

AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT FOR THE LAST 15 OR SO YEARS THAT I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OR A COMPLAINT ON HOW I DID THE MINUTES.

AND I DO RESPECTFULLY, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING THIS TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.

UM, I DO FEEL LIKE IT COULD HAVE GONE OFFLINE AND THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD A MEETING.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I DO RESPECT YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND YOUR OPINION.

WELL, I AS THE COUNTY, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

UM, I TRIED TO, I DID COMMUNICATE TO YOU OFFLINE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT THE ONLY OTHER WAY I CAN DO THIS IS WE COULD JUST NOT APPROVE THE MINUTES TODAY OR I'D VOTE AGAINST THEM WHEN, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN FINE TOO.

I UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND SO, AS THE COUNTY CLERK, I HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO GO BY THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING PROCEDURE IN DECORUM.

AND I HAVE, UM, ALSO GONE BY THE, UM, COUNTY CLERK MANUAL.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS FAR AS THE PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES AS A COUNTY CLERK BEING THE CLERK OF THE COURT, UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT THAT I CANNOT EMBELLISH OR, UM, TRY TO INTERPRET WHAT SOMEBODY'S SAYING OR WHEN THE MOTION ENDS.

AND SO, UM, IF YOU DID NOT INTEND THAT TO BE PART OF YOUR MOTION, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT YOU KNOW, AS DISCUSSED THIS MORNING AND PREVIOUSLY, I, AND I LAUGHED WHENEVER I SAID THIS, I WAS BEING FUNNY.

I'M NOT A MIND READER.

NOBODY IS.

I WISH I WAS 'CAUSE IT'D MAKE MY LIFE A LOT EASIER.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO FEEL THAT THERE IS A MEETING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN OFFLINE SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THIS.

AND SO THAT YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MAYBE UNDERSTANDING MY PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BEING A NERVOUS NELLY WHENEVER IT COMES TO GETTING THINGS RIGHT AND MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE A, AN ACCURATE RECORD TO PRESENT.

SHOULD THERE EVER BE ANYTHING QUESTIONED OR SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, COUNTY CLERK FOG OR CLERK FOG DID NOT INCLUDE THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A MOTION AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING LEGALLY COMING UP.

AND AGAIN, I AM A NERVOUS NELLIE AND INCLUDE EVERYTHING BY DEFAULT.

AND SO I I DID WANNA ALSO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

SO I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL COUNSEL.

UH, HOW DO OTHER COUNTIES DO IT IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? GENERALLY, YOU'RE GOING WITH NOT NECESSARILY A VERBATIM REQUIREMENT.

UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MOTIONS? UM, BUT AS, AS ADOPTED BY MOST COUNTIES, NOW YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF EITHER AUDIO OR VIDEO OR BOTH, UH, RECORDING, WHICH IS, UH, AND, AND A DEFAULT BACKUP.

UH, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, YOU'VE GOT THAT RECORDING.

IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC, UH, RECORD THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS FALL BACK TO.

COURT HAS PASSED AS WHAT'S GONNA BE THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

SO IS, IS THE RECORDING OR IS THE, ARE THE MINUTES THE LEGAL RECORD OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED? DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE COUNTY CLERK OR THE, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S

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THERE JUST HAS TO BE OFFICIAL RECORD.

AND THE COUNTY CLERK IS THE PERSON, THE OFFICIAL DELEGATED BY THE GOVERNMENT CODE TO DO THAT.

HOW IT'S DONE IS DEPENDS ON HOW THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS AUTHORIZED IT TO BE TAKEN DOWN.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WE'VE DECIDED PREVIOUSLY? I DON'T REMEMBER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COURT DI DISCUSSING THAT.

SO I'M GUESSING IT GOES BACK AT, AT SOME POINT SOMEWHERE IF SOMEBODY DECIDED PROBABLY PRE-RECORDING IS WHEN THEY MADE THE DECISION.

WELL, AND THERE'S A STATUTE, UM, IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT SAYS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS TO, IS TO HAVE THE COUNTY CLERK CREATE A PERMANENT RECORD.

AND IT CAN BE EITHER WRITTEN OR IT CAN BE ELECTRONIC.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER MADE A DECISION.

IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO.

AND MAYBE AFTER WE HAVE OUR MEETING, UH, WITH THE COUNTY CLERK AND OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, WE WILL, I WILL BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION TO SAY OUR OFFICIAL RECORD WILL NOW BE EITHER THE MINUTES OR THE ELECTRONIC VERSION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EITHER JUDGE WHETHER THAT'S ACTIONS EVER BEEN TAKEN.

AND I THINK THAT PROVISION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT DEALS WITH THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO IT EITHER WAY.

AND IF I COULD ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, YOUR ONLY ISSUE WITH MY MINUTES HAS BEEN WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MOTION STOPS OR IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NO.

THAT'S WHERE YOU AND I HAVE, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN MY COMMENTS.

OH, YES.

I FAX 'EM OVER TO YOU OR YOU SCAN 'EM.

WHAT? EMAIL 'EM, I DON'T FAX ANYMORE.

EMAIL 'EM OVER TO YOU TRY TO, BEFORE EVERY MEETING, UM, AND, AND SOME THINGS WE FIX SOME THINGS YOU SAY, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS THIS MM-HMM .

OR THAT WAS THAT, OR YOU TELL ME YOU FORGOT AS WELL.

AND ONE MEETING, I FORGOT THAT WHO HAD MADE THE MOTION AND YOU POINTED OUT CORRECTLY WHO MADE IT.

AND I SAID, GREAT.

SO, BUT WHEN I GET AN EMAIL FROM YOU AND I RESPECT YOU AND YOUR OFFICE, AND YOU SAY, GIVE ME COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES, GUESS WHAT I'M GONNA DO? I'M GONNA GIVE YOU COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

I I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IF THAT WAS YOUR ONLY ISSUE WITH MY MINUTES IS, AND CLEARLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT YOUR ONLY ISSUE WITH MY MINUTES IS I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT MAKES IT SOUND BIGGER THAN IT IS.

I I, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN MY COMMENTS ON ALL YOUR MINUTES I'VE SPENT, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN, OF COURSE, IN HEATH, I WAS THERE FOR 12 YEARS IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES MM-HMM .

AND OTHER CORPORATIONS AND WHATEVER.

IT'S THE, I I THINK THE TERM USED WAS, WAS THERE'S NOT AN, THERE'S NOT A VERBATIM REQUIREMENT.

AND WHAT'S KIND OF, I THINK WHERE YOU AND I HAVE STRUGGLED SOME IS YOUR, UH, YOUR STANDING WITH A VERBATIM REQUIREMENT AND ME SAYING, NO, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE WAY IT IS.

AND AGAIN, IN THESE TWO INSTANCES THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WASN'T PART OF THE MOTION, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SAID AFTER THE WORD, I MAKE THE MOTION.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES.

EVERYBODY LET ME.

OKAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A, UM, A MOTION.

HERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 11TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES AT THE END OF ITEM 11.

THE MOTION MADE BY COUNTY JUDGE PRO TEM COMMISSIONER LICHTY SHOULD REMOVE THE WORDS.

I'M GONNA SAY BEFORE 40 POINTS, AND I'M GONNA SAY BEFORE 15, AND I THINK THAT ADDS UP TO A HUNDRED IF SOMEBODY WILL CHECK MY MATH.

UM, SECOND IN THE MOTION MADE AFTER ITEM 13, WHERE COMMISSIONER STACEY MADE A MOTION ABOUT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, THE WORDS, HOLD ON.

I WANT TO GET THE NUMBER EXACTLY RIGHT SHOULD BE DELETED.

AND IN ITEM 14, UM, THE FIRST MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND WAS WITHDRAWN BY SAYING, LET'S START AGAIN, SHOULD BE REMOVED.

US TO AGENDA ITEM 28, THE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS, WHICH WE HAVE QUITE A, QUITE A FEW OF.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LI A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL

[03:30:01]

NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO AS AMENDED.

THAT BRINGS

[28. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]

UM, BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, UM, I DO WANT TO, UH, LET BOBBY KNOW IF ANY OF THESE, UM, ON THE FLEET COMMITTEE, JUST REMEMBER THAT, UH, RELIABLE CHEVROLET IS WILLING TO COME TALK TO US, UM, IF THEY DON'T GO TO AUCTION OR SELL RIGHT.

UM, I WANT TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, ITEM 28, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS A THROUGH L.

IS THAT A MOTION? THAT IS A MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

TO AGENDA ITEM 29, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS.

YOU'VE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THAT BRINGS US

[29. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]

WE HAVE ONE ITEM 2025 DASH 10 TRANSFERRING $975,910 WITHIN THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BOND FUND BUDGET TO FM FIVE 50 AT 720,552 AND FM 5 52 AT 2200 $55,358 FROM ADVANCED PLANNING RESULTING FROM THE REALLOCATION OF ROAD BOND MONIES FOR CONTRACTED AMOUNTS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE A QUESTION.

NO ONE HAS A QUESTION.

SO MOVED.

UH, SO I JUST READ THE ITEM.

I DIDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION.

YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'M SORRY.

THI THIS IS HOW YOU GUYS GET OFF TRACK WHEN I'M GONE GET IN THE DITCH.

AS AS COMMISSIONER LTI SAID, I PROPOSE THAT WE ACT ON THE TRANSFER OF, UM, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER, UH, OF 975,910 WITHIN THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BOND BUDGET TO FM FIVE 50, UM, AND 720,552 FOR F AND FM 5 52 AT 255,358.

AND THAT WILL COME FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING, RESULTING FROM THE REALLOCATION OF OUR ROAD BOND MONIES FOR CONTRACTED AMOUNTS.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MLA SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

US TO APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLL.

THAT BRINGS

[30. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]

I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $619,065 AND 98 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR COURT'S APPROVAL.

SO MOVE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO THE COURT UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY, $2,006,680 AND 61 CENTS.

AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PLEASE.

PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

AND I'M SUBMITTING TO YOU A PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING MARCH 29TH, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,102,673 AND 5 CENTS.

AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

SO MOVED.

I'LL SECOND IT.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALANA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.