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          [2. Discussion of FY2026 Budget, and all related issues; (Judge New)]
BY APRIL, HE GETS THOSE ESTIMATES OUT TO THE PEOPLE. 
          MINE IS SITTING HOME RIGHT NOW UNOPENED. 
          THE REASON IT'S UNOPENED IS BECAUSE IT'S INACCURATE. 
          AND THE REASON IT'S INACCURATE IS BECAUSE HE HAS TO GO BY THE ADOPTED TAX RATE, WHICH IS THIS BUDGET CYCLE'S TAX RATE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU WITH FULL CONFIDENCE, WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT A NEW TAX RATE FOR THIS BUDGET, BUT HE HAS TO GO BY THE ADOPTED RATE. 
          SO EVERYBODY GETS THEIR LETTER IN THE MAIL, AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE DAY THEY HIT AND COULD, WHEN I WAS ON HEAT CITY COUNCIL, I COULD TELL YOU THE DAY THEY HIT. 
          'CAUSE YOU START GETTING CALLS AND THEN SOCIAL MEDIA BLOWS UP. 
          UH, AND MY, MY, UM, RESPONSE AND MY ADVICE TO EVERYONE IS JUST, JUST RELAX. 
          THE BUDGETS AREN'T ADOPTED YET, SO THE TAX RATE IS NOT SET. 
          SO, UM, BY JULY 31ST, I'M GONNA FILE THE FIRST BUDGET AND I WORK WITH THE AUDITOR. 
          AND WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING OF THE AUDITOR, THIS IS KIND OF A SEPARATION OF POWERS. 
          THE AUDITOR REPORTS TO THE DISTRICT JUDGES. 
          SO THE DISTRICT JUDGES WILL SET THEIR BUDGETS, BUT THEY ALWAYS DO IT BASED ON HOW WE SET OUR BUDGETS. 
          SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF I GIVE EMPLOYEES A 10% RAISE, UH, THE DISTRICT JUDGES WOULD BE IN TROUBLE IF THEY DIDN'T GIVE THEIR EMPLOYEES A 10% RAISE. 
          SO BY JULY 31ST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, WHICH MEANS THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO APPEAR TO JUST GO TO SLEEP. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS IN JUNE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO SLEEP. 
          UH, AND, AND IT IS JUST BY DESIGN. 
          THERE'S NO WAY TO NOT DO THAT. 
          SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO BE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME IS TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETINGS AND GO OVER BUDGET REQUEST, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. 
          SO, AND, UH, WE STARTED WITH OUR LARGEST BUDGETED ITEM, WHICH IS, AND, UH, I WAS JUST TELLING THE SHERIFF, IN MY MIND, DETENTION AND SHERIFF ARE ONE. 
          THEY'RE NOT ONE, THEY'RE SEPARATE BUDGET ITEMS. THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES THAT, THAT HAVE SEPARATE FUNCTIONS. 
          THEY'RE JUST BOTH, UM, RUN BY OUR SHERIFF. 
          SO IN MY MIND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOGETHER. 
          UH, SO SHERIFF, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN START WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR DETENTION, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO READ A, JUST A LITTLE OPENING STATEMENT. 
          I GAVE YOU ALL COPIES OF THIS ALSO. 
          UH, TODAY AS WE DISCUSS SOME CRITICAL NEEDS AND BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS, PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING. 
          OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, OUR COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH WITH OUR POPULATION INCREASING BY APPROXIMATELY 93%, RISING FROM 75,000 RESIDENTS IN 2017 TO 147,000, 2025. 
          THIS RAPID EXPANSION BRINGS BOTH OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY IN ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          DESPITE THIS SURGING POPULATION, OUR DEPUTY STAFFING HAS INCREASED ONLY 46% FROM 43 DEPUTIES IN 2017 TO 63 IN 2025. 
          WHILE THIS GROWTH IS APPRECIATED, OUR OVERALL DEPUTY TO CITIZEN RATIO HAS DECLINED, UH, NOW STANDING AT 0.43 DEPUTIES PER THOUSAND POPULATION FOR THE TOTAL COUNTY COMPARED TO 0.57 IN 2017. 
          FOR OUR UNINCORPORATED AREAS, THE RATIO IS A LITTLE HIGHER, 4.86 PER THOUSAND. 
          AND FACTORING IN MUNICIPAL CONTRACTS, UH, IN SERVICES, THE RATIO SHIFTS TO 3,350. 
          THESE NUMBERS ILLUSTRATE THE PRESSING NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN HIGH STANDARDS AND SERVICE OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS AND DESERVES. 
          OUR DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COUNTYWIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES, COURT SECURITY, INMATE INCARCERATION, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, CIVIL PROCESSING, AND DISPATCH SERVICES ACROSS SIX OF THE NINE AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY. 
          BEYOND ROUTINE PATROL DUTIES, OUR DEPUTIES SERVE IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES INCLUDING COURTHOUSE SECURITIES, FUGITIVE COURTHOUSE SECURITY, FUGITIVE TRANSPORT, AND SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS AND ADMINISTRATIVE ROLES, ENSURING COMPREHENSIVE PRODUCTION AND SERVICE. 
          THESE CHALLENGES WE FACE ARE NOT SIMPLY ABOUT NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT CAPACITY. 
          THE 
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GROWTH IN THE INCORPORATED AREAS, INCLUDING THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AT 56,000, ROYCE CITY AT 31,000, FADE AT 29,000, HEATH AT 12,000 AND MCCLENDON CHISHOLM AT APPROXIMATELY 5,000, ALONG WITH THE 13,000 RESIDENTS IN INCORP, UNINCORPORATED AREAS NECESSITATE AN EXPAN EXPANSION OF OUR RESOURCES AND PROPORTION TO MEET THE RISING DEMANDS. 
          TODAY'S, AS WE REVIEW OUR BUDGET, WE MUST CONSIDER STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS IN PERSONNEL, EQUIPMENT, AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN EFFECTIVELY MEET EVOLVING NEEDS OF OUR COUNTY. 
          OUR DEPUTIES ARE DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS COMMITTED TO PROTECTING AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY, BUT THEY NEED THE RIGHT TOOLS AND SUPPORT TO DO IT EFFECTIVELY. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION AS WE ALIGN OUR BUDGET WITH OUR REALITIES OF OUR GROWING COUNTY AND WORK TOGETHER TO STRENGTHEN PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ALL, UH, AND ALSO IN ACCOMPLISHING WHAT, UH, THE, THE HARD WORK EVERYBODY DID WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO BASE MOST OF THIS ON. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH THE OPERATIONS BUDGET THIS MORNING, UH, HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THAT, JUDGE. 
          YEAH. 
          LET, LET'S JUST, UH, DI DIVE RIGHT INTO IT. 
          UM, SO SHERIFF'S, ARE WE DOING THE SHERIFF'S OR THE DETENTION? SHERIFF. 
          SHERIFF'S. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, LET'S DIVE RIGHT INTO IT. 
          A LOT OF THIS MAY BE, UH, MAYBE TAKEN CARE OF WITH, WITH QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN AREAS. 
          UH, SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE BULLETS WE LOOKED AT, UH, AS WE CONSIDER SOME OF THE PAST BUDGETS AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP IN PAST BUDGETS, UH, IF YOU LOOK ON, UH, TAB ONE THERE, ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS THAT ALWAYS COMES UP IS OUR OVERTIME. 
          AND I KNOW JUDGE, YOU INCREASED THAT LAST YEAR, UH, IN, IN THE BUDGET. 
          UH, OUR OVERTIME WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, UH, POINT OF CONTENTION. 
          AND WE, AS WE POINTED OUT IN THE PAST, UH, THERE, AS YOU INCREASE THE NUMBERS, AS YOU INCREASE, UH, SALARIES AND BENEFITS, THOSE OVERTIME NUMBERS DO GO UP. 
          AND IN THE PAST THAT HASN'T REALLY, UH, KEPT UP WITH, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, SALARIES AND BENEFITS WORK. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IN PASSPORTS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT AND THERE WERE CONTENTIONS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME SPENT. 
          AND SO THE MORE, MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE, OBVIOUSLY YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR, YOUR ISSUES. 
          BUT AS I POINTED OUT, OUR POPULATION INCREASE, UH, INCREASES MORE THAN WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR STAFFING IS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SIDE AS WELL AS THE DETENTION SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, OVER TIME, WE'LL NEVER BE ZERO, CORRECT? UH, IT, IT DOES, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, EVERY POSITION IS FILLED, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, UM, OVER TIME. 
          SO I THINK AS, AS YOU LOOK AT, AT THE NUMBERS THERE ON THE OVERTIME, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE, UH, WERE PRE IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND WHAT WE ARE YEAR TO DATE NOW, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE, UH, UH, THE SHERIFF'S SIDE, UH, AND NOT DETENTION. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE GET IN INTO THAT. 
          UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, NUMBERS MAY NOT BE ACCURATE, ACCURATELY DESCRIBED SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHEN WE HAVE, UH, OPEN POSITIONS THAT COMES OUT OF SALARIES. 
          AND SO THAT COULD BE TAKEN ACCOUNT FOR IN THE, IN THE OVERTIME, IN THE ACTUAL OVERTIME LINE ITEM. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, I THINK DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB IN TRYING TO CONTROL THAT WITH, UM, FLEXING TIME AND DOING SOME OTHER THINGS, UH, FOR, FOR TRYING TO REDUCE THAT OVERALL O OVER OVERALL OVERTIME LINE ITEM. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DO THAT, WHEN YOU START FLEXING AND GIVING TIME OFF FOR THAT FOR TRAINING AND OTHER THINGS, YOU'RE RUNNING SHORT PERSONNEL. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          SO THE REQUEST, UH, FOR OVERTIME GOES FROM 79,000 2 54 TO ONE 60, UM, 160,000. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT WAS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THIS YEAR. 
          JUDGE, HOW DO YOU WANNA HANDLE THIS? JU JU JUMP, JUMP IN TIME. 
          YOU GOT A QUESTION? JUMP IN? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, SHERIFF, IN PRIOR YEARS 23 AND 22, ACTUAL ARE ACTUALLY OVER 200,000. 
          UM, AND TO REALLY, AND WE'RE ALREADY OVER OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, UH, IN JUNE OR AT THE END OF MAY. 
          WE'RE ALREADY OVER OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE NUMBER DOESN'T SEEM 
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TO BE WORKING. 
          UH, TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU CAN MANAGE YOUR WAY TO A LOWER NUMBER ON? UH, AND TWO IS 160,000 ENOUGH. 
          I THINK THE, THE, WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE IS AROUND 80 OR IS THAT YEAH, CORRECT. 
          YEAH, IT SAYS YOU'RE RIGHT NOW AT 81, 1 0 7 AT THE END OF MAY. 
          SO, AND WE'RE A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR. 
          UM, YOU CAN MANAGE SOME OF THAT, BUT ALTHOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MANAGE EVERY BIT OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF, UH, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT'S GONNA, UH, NECESSITATE, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, UH, OLD TIME SALARIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO , ONE THING WE LOOK AT TOO IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOWN STAFFING AS AS MANY AS EIGHT 10 PERSONNEL, AND THE WAY THAT I EXPLAINED IT TO THE SHERIFF SOMETIMES IS THAT OVERTIME BUDGET JUST SAVE $80,000 IS NOT EVEN THE COST OF ONE DEPUTY. 
          RIGHT? SO, AND YOU'RE DOWN EIGHT TO 10? YEAH, RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE WE'RE DOWN EIGHT. 
          EIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE LOOK AT THAT. 
          YOU HAVE LAST MINUTE CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          YOU HAVE RE REPORT WRITING, YOU HAVE, UH, RECRUITS THAT YOU HAVE TO TRAIN. 
          AND RECRUITS ARE OFTEN VERY SLOW AT WRITING REPORTS INITIALLY, AND THERE'S OVERTIME ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TAKES THEM LONGER TO GET IN AND OUT, UH, WHEN THEY'RE WRITING REPORTS. 
          SO THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T ALWAYS, UH, I GUESS HEAD ON, SO, OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, AND FRANKLY, THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME. 
          UM, BUT THE SECOND QUESTION, UH, AGAIN, IN 2023 AND 22, WE WERE OVER, YOU WERE OVER $200,000 AND NOW YOU'RE REQUESTING ONE 60 CAN, IS ONE 60 A GOOD NUMBER? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALREADY OVER WHAT WAS BUDGETED LAST YEAR, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET A BUDGET THAT WORKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY WITH THE 80,000. 
          SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DOUBLE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITHIN A WORKABLE BUDGET. 
          AND I THINK, UH, WITH, WITH SOME OF THOSE OPENINGS, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO, TO HIRE, TRAIN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP EVERYTHING UP EFFICIENTLY, UH, TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE, UH, FILL THOSE EIGHT POSITIONS WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, UH, IS OUR, OUR TRAINING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY DEPUTIES WHO CAN TRAIN AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME MM-HMM . 
          SO WE HAVE TO SPACE THAT OUT AS WELL. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID, UM, COMMISSIONER IS I DID AVERAGE OUT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UH, I JUST TOOK AN AVERAGE UHHUH TO 200,000, THE 80,000 AND AVERAGE IT OUT TO 160. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE AVERAGE ONE, YOU WERE FIRST SMALL SOAP, UH, IN THOSE YEARS WAS THAT WE WENT THROUGH A SPELL WITH DISPATCH WHERE WE GOT DOWN TO ABOUT FOUR DISPATCHERS. 
          UH, AND WE WERE IN CRITICAL MODE. 
          WE WERE HAVING ONE DISPATCHER WORKING IN THAT CENTER AT A TIME JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAD LEFT. 
          SO, UH, A LOT OF THOSE YEARS WERE MADE UP FROM OCTOBER TIME THAT WERE JUST KEEPING DISPATCHED RUNNING. 
          THAT WAS, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, YOU MAYBE JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT YOU HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECLINE FROM 22, UM, TO 24, FROM TWO 13 TO 1 42. 
          SO THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF MEAT ON THE BONE LEFT TO TRIM IS THERE. 
          THAT'S WHEN WE BEGAN TO STAFF UP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND SO, AS YOU, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, AS YOU, HOPEFULLY WE ARE ABLE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND GET YOU CLOSER TO BEING STAFFED WHERE YOU, UH, WANT TO BE. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME LAG TIME DUE TO TRAINING BEFORE WE'RE EVEN ABLE TO EAT AWAY ANY MORE OF THIS $160,000 PROBABLY PROPOSAL FOR OVERTIME. 
          AND THE ONE 60 IS A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER WHAT WE FEEL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF OPENINGS. 
          YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CRISIS LIKE WE DID HAVE IN DISPATCH BACK IN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, 20 22, 20 23. 
          UM, YOU HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT THEN GETTING TRAINED UP IS NOT AN OVERNIGHT RIGHT. 
          UH, PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK TO, JUST TO COMMISSIONER TY'S QUESTION, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE 160 IS, IS WHAT YOU NEED BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DIAL THIS BUDGET IN THIS TIME AND, UM, WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT WE DID LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND SEVERELY UNDER BUDGET, YOU THERE. 
          SO ONE 60 IS A GOOD NUMBER. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT WORDS THAT STICK WITH ME, AND I MENTIONED THIS 
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TO THE SHERIFF, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET, WAS WHEN THE JUDGE TOOK OFF, HE SAID HE WANTED TO BUDGET THAT REFLECTED THE ACTUAL NUMBERS. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID HERE. 
          I KNOW LAST YEAR WE DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY AND WE DID NOT GET THAT. 
          SO, AND WE HAVE ASKED IN THE PAST, BUT WHAT I WAS TOLD WHEN WE GOT HERE, 'CAUSE I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION YOU SAID THAT THAT YEAR, I SAID, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED WHEN I CAME INTO THE OFFICE HERE, IS WHY AREN'T WE ACTUALLY SHOWING THE ACTUAL NUMBERS? AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOWN EMPLOYEES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MONIES LEFT OVER AND WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER THAT OVER. 
          I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT, LOOK AT THOSE YEARS WHEN WE'RE OVER BUDGET, WE'RE OVER THAT LINE ITEM. 
          AND I'LL DEFER TO LISA ON THIS. 
          WE WERE NOT OVER OUR TOTAL BUDGET ON OUR, ON OUR PERSONNEL AREA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE THE, THE, THE OVERTIME IS, IS A COMPLIMENTARY TO THE, UH, SALARY LINE THAT OF A OPEN POSITION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF YOU BUDGET YOUR EXACT AMOUNT THAT YOU ALWAYS NEED FOR OVERTIME, THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOUBLE BUDGETING BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPEN SALARIES. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE TOTAL PERSONNEL COST MM-HMM . 
          IS THE BOTTOM LINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YES. 
          I AGREE THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE $20,000 THERE WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS SPEND 200,000, BUT YOU HAVE TO, TO BALANCE IT TO WHERE THE OPEN POSITIONS OR ELSE YOU'RE WASTING, UM, BUT YOU'RE WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY BY DOUBLE BUDGETING IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE, THE OTHER THING, AND I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER, I'LL LET YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION THAT, THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT US MOVING TO THE STEP PLAN AND PUTTING GUYS ON THE STEP PROGRAM IS PROVIDING UPWARD PRESSURE ON, ON, ON THIS. 
          SO WHEN YOUR PAY GOES UP, YOUR OVERTIME PAY GOES UP WITH IT. 
          SO THIS IS CREATING KIND OF A FLOOR, IF YOU WILL. 
          WHILE WE MAY BE HAVING FEWER ACTUAL HOURS, THE THE PAY VERY LIKELY WILL INCREASE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE HOURS MAY GO DOWN. 
          AND CHIEF MCKNIGHT AND I WERE TALKING A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND IN 22 AND 23, THERE WAS A SHORTAGE AS THEY POINTED OUT. 
          AND, AND THEY ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY NOT COMPETING WITH OTHER COUNTIES NECESSARILY FOR, UM, FOR DEPUTIES. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE AROUND HERE. 
          AND THEY ARE, WE'RE COMPETING WITH EVERYONE. 
          WELL, I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE, THE MUNICIPALITIES SEEM TO PAY MORE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES DO. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TOO. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE, I'VE MENTIONED, UH, EVEN BEFORE MY TIME HERE IS THAT WE'RE, OUR, OUR MARKET IS THE METROPLEX, BASICALLY. 
          AND SO WE'RE IN ONE OF THE MOST COMPETITIVE MARKETS WITHIN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP THAT, KEEP UP WITH THAT IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH OUR QUALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE IN. 
          AND THE, THE ONLY THING I KIND OF WANT TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT EVEN IF ALL THE POSITIONS ARE FILLED, THERE WILL BE OVERTIME. 
          AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF FEDERAL LABOR LAWS ON LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA GET OFF ON THE WEEDS ON THAT. 
          I JUST WANT, SINCE WE'RE IN PUBLIC AND WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT EVEN IF IT'S TOTALLY FILLED AND WE HAVE EVERY POSITION FILLED, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE OVERTIME IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DICTATES LAW ENFORCEMENT SEPARATE THAN NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO WE CAN'T SET POLICIES. 
          WE, THERE'S, OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN, IN A LOT OF WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          UM, AND THAT IS DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR JOB, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T JUST GO HOME. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY CAN'T JUST STOP WRITING THE REPORT. 
          THEY CAN'T JUST LEAVE THE PERSON SITTING IN THE CHAIR BEFORE PROCESSING THEM INTO JAIL. 
          THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT THE END OF SHIFT. 
          SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS WRITTEN, UM, LAWS, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL AND HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM. 
          SO I JUST DON'T WANT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE, BUT IT, IT, IT COSTS MONEY TO RUN A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. 
          AND, UM, AND I, AND I THINK THAT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN ROCKWELL HAVE EVER COME UP TO ME AND SAYS, MAN, IF YOU COULD JUST CUT THAT SHERIFF'S BUDGET, WE WOULD BE, UH, WE'D BE ROCKING AND ROLLING. 
          SO I, I, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA TRY TO DO OUR BEST. 
          WE'VE GOTTA BUDGET, I DO AGREE WITH LISA'S CONCEPT OF MAKING SURE WHAT TO BE REALISTIC WITH OPEN POSITIONS AND OVERTIME, THERE'S A BALANCE THERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH MONEY SOCKED AWAY JUST IN PERSONNEL AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, BUT THEN IT COMES BACK TO, THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY IF YOU DO THAT AND YOU GET TO AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GRAB SOME OF THAT MONEY AT THE END OF THE BUDGET TOO. 
          WHICH, UM, WHICH WE DO, WHICH, WHICH LISA AND I GO ALL SORTS OF SIDEWAYS ON. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          UH, I WAS JUST PICKING ON YOU EARLY. 
          SO, UH, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT THROUGH, THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING EVERY SINGLE LINE CORRECT. 
          IT, WE ARE TRYING 
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TO, TO LOOK AT TRYING TO GET THE PERSONNEL CORRECT. 
          AND SO ANYWAYS, I JUST WANTED TO FRAME IT IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE NEVER GETTING RID OF OVERTIME. 
          LET'S JUST BE REALISTIC AND, AND, AND BE AS, AS AS GOOD AS WE CAN BE. 
          THE SHERIFF AND HIS STAFF ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO HIRE GOOD DEPUTIES, AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND A, AND A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF MONEY. 
          UM, UM, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THAT EITHER. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF ALL I HAD TO SAY ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          WELL, AND JUDGE, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOOD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET, BUT IN THE FRONT OF EVERY ANNUAL BUDGET THAT THE COUNTY PUTS TOGETHER, YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATION. 
          AND THE PRINCIPAL THAT YOU'RE BASING YOUR BUDGET ON IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND THAT SAYS THAT YOU WILL NEVER ALLOW A TOTAL LINE TO GO OVER. 
          SO WHEN I GIVE YOU BUDGET TRANSFERS, THAT'S, I'M TAKING THEM FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER TO, TO REMAIN WITHIN THE PRINCIPLES OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLANNING. 
          SO, SO THE THE TOTAL BOTTOM LINES, TOTAL PERSONNEL COST, TOTAL OPERATING COSTS, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND CAPITAL OUTLAY, THOSE ARE YOUR MAIN GOALS TO, TO BUDGET ACCORDINGLY ON THOSE LINES. 
          UM, SO JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING THAT BRINGS TOGETHER WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BOOK EVERY YEAR, . 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          AGREED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH LINE ITEM MAKES SENSE IS AS CLOSE TO THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS POSSIBLE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE JUST SAY, WELL, THE TOTAL WILL BE FINE, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING THE JOB WE SHOULD DO WITHIN THE NUMBERS TO GET TO THE TOTAL. 
          AND I, AND THAT'S NOT MARKETING AND THAT IS HOW YOU END UP WITH SURPLUS MONEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE FROM THE TAXPAYERS. 
          IN MY OPINION, THIS THING HAS TO BE AS CLOSE TO PERFECT AS POSSIBLE, OR WE ARE OVERTAXING PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH IT. 
          YEP. 
          AGREED. 
           AND, AND YOU KNOW, DIALING IT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, NO WIGGLE, WIGGLE ROOM. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH GIVING YOU THIS NUMBER. 
          UH, YEP. 
          BECAUSE, AND, AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, POSTPONE A COUPLE OF THE HIRINGS, UH, OR KIND OF FREEZE THEM UNTIL WE DID, UH, MAKE UP SOME DIFFERENCE IN, UH, IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. 
          YEP. 
          AND, AND UNDERSTANDING, WE'LL NEVER HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE, WE CAN TRY TO HIT IT TO THE PENNY. 
          YES. 
          SO JUST TO COMMENT ON THIS, AND THEN I, I I WILL LEAVE YOU ALL ALONE, BUT, UH, SO IF YOU DON'T BUDGET ENOUGH AND YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT IS CALLED AN EMERGENCY BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A BIG NO-NO. 
          THE COUNTY HAS ALWAYS HAD MAJOR ACCOLADES FROM YOUR INDEPENDENT AUDITOR AND FROM YOUR BOND RATING THAT SAYS HOW IMPRESSED THEY ARE BY YOUR CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING. 
          SO SOMETIMES YES, THERE IS A SURPLUS BECAUSE WE BUDGET ONLY 98% OF TAXES INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          WE ALSO DO NOT OVERRIDE OUR REVENUES TO THE POINT WHERE IF SOMETHING STOPPED COMING IN THAT THAT YOU ARE COUNTING ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TRYING TO CUT IS, IS ADMIRABLE, BUT THE OVERALL, IT JUST REMAINED CONSERVATIVE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE PLACE THAT WE ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE AND, AND THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF MAJOR EXPENSES. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUDGET TO THE 98%, BUT DIALING DOWN SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS IS, IS BUDGETING AND, AND WE WILL HAVE A CONTINGENCY SET ASIDE TO, TO HANDLE ANY, ANY DEFICIENCIES. 
          BUT, UH, NOT DIALING DOWN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS IS NOT BUDGETING. 
          WE, WE GOTTA, AND, AND AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GONNA MISS IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, I'M, WE'RE, I'VE DONE THIS JUST ABOUT EVERY BUDGET I'VE EVER PARTICIPATED IN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MY FIRST ONE AT THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHICH WAY TO EVEN GO. 
          I GRABBED THE BULL BY THE TAIL AND JUST HELD ON. 
          UH, BUT EVERY OTHER BUDGET HAS BEEN, TRY TO HIT IT TO THE PENNY, UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE GOING TO MISS. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          MISSING IS OKAY IF, IF THERE'S MISSING BY JUST GUESSING IS NOT OKAY, BUT MISSING BY DOING A CALCULATION IF SOMETHING UNEXPECTED COMES UP, THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          CAN I ASK A GENERAL QUESTION? YES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ITEM. 
          . 
          OKAY, 
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GO, GO. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          WE'VE GOT, WE'RE MISSING BIG ITEMS HERE, BIG INFORMATION. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN PERSONNEL COSTS, WHICH IS THE LARGEST, UM, WE DON'T SHOW MOST OF THE LINES, SO WE DON'T, THAT'S GONNA BE DETERMINED A LOT, I THINK, BASED UPON WHAT GENERAL RAISES ARE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, AND WE DON'T ALSO KNOW WHAT OUR PROJECTED INCOME IS YET. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE, WE DO NOT. 
          AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE DISJOINTED NATURE WON'T GET, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ESTIMATED TAX ROLL, WE WON'T GET ACTUAL CERTIFIED TAX ROLES. 
          UH, WHEN IS THAT? JULY, LISA. 
          YEP. 
          AND, AND THEN WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, I, I, AND YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS MISSING IS SHERIFF'S SALARY. 
          I, I CAN'T CALCULATE THAT TILL I KNOW WHAT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE'S GONNA BE AND HOW MUCH ACTUAL MONEY WE HAVE. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS US IN A DISJOINTED NATURE JUST TRYING TO GET DONE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE. 
          SO TO A LARGE EXTENT, WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          AND YEAH, YEAH. 
          DO GIVING YOU WHATEVER INPUT WE WANNA GIVE YOU, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT OR, OR, OR THE SHERIFF OR THEM, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY THIS IS GONNA COME BACK TO MY FIRST BUDGET, UH, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT, LAST QUESTION, THEN WE MOVE ON TO IT. 
          IT JUST, IT'S A QUESTION YOU BROUGHT UP AND I IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOCUSED, UM, TARGETED, UM, TO YOU KAMI, IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE STEP PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT THE JUDGE JUST RE REFERENCED AND MAYBE YOU GUYS AS WELL, THE STEP PROGRAM IS THAT THAT OVERTIME PAY THAT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE STEP PROGRAM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED? YES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE SHERIFF AND CHIEF SAID THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU INCREASE THE SALARIES THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH THEIR 100, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LONGEVITY PAY AS WELL AND HOLIDAY PAY, ALL OF THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE IMPACTED BY THE, IF THAT INDIVIDUAL, IF THEY WERE PART OF THE STEP PROGRAM, THE LONGEVITY, FOR EXAMPLE, IS PART OF THE TOTAL COMPENSATION. 
          SO THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOURLY RATE MM-HMM . 
          WHICH DOES IN TURN CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERTIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LINE ITEM TWO, 'EM TWO . 
          GO DOWN TO THE, TO THE ONES WITH, WITH THE INCREASE OR COVER THOSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE LONGEVITY, THAT, THAT WAS A, A MINOR INCREASE AND THAT'S JUST TO, UH, UH, TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH ACTUAL COST OF 2026, UH, LINE ITEM ONE 14, THE HOLIDAY PAY AGAIN TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH ACTUAL COST. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE MISSED THAT ONE THIS YEAR. 
          AND I, THAT NEVER EVEN CAME UP ON MY RADAR AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, NEVER EVEN, UH, BUT I, I, I LOOK BACK AND IT'S LIKE, UH, OH, UH, WE, WE, WE MISSED IT. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER, I THINK, CASUALTY OF GOING TO THE STEP RAISE. 
          WE DIDN'T, DIDN'T, DIDN'T ADJUST THE HOLIDAY PAY. 
          UH, LINE ITEM ONE 20, UH, IS, UH, AN INCREASE IN OFFICER IN CHARGE PAY. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, UH, DUE TO, UH, ALLOW TO ADJUST THE OIC PAY FROM $15 A DAY OF 25. 
          SO BASICALLY DOUBLE THAT ONE FROM 2,500 TO 5,000 OFFICER INCENTIVE PAY, UH, REQUESTING THAT LINE ITEM OF INCREASE FROM 47,000 TO 161 80. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          YOU NEED TO STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          . 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S, I WAS LIKE, UH, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LET THE 2,500 INCREASE. 
          GO, UH, TE TE TELL US, TELL US ABOUT THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, SHERIFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THEIR, THEIR CERTIFICATES, UH, UH, EDUCATION AND INTERMEDIATE, UH, ADVANCED, UH, SUCH. 
          AND IT IS A COMPETITIVE NATURE THAT GOES IN KINDA WITH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SALARIES AND OUR, OUR, UH, OUR COMPETITION. 
          THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT ALSO. 
          SO IT'S MORE OF THE BENEFITS PART OF THE SALARY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST HAVING A SALARY THAT'S EQUAL TO, UH, SOME OF OUR COMPETITORS. 
          IT'S HAVING THOSE INCENTIVES THAT THEY PAY ALSO WITH EITHER A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, UH, INTERMEDIATE MASTER'S, UH, OR ADVANCED. 
          UH, SO THIS IS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM FOR CONTINUED EDUCATION AND TO GET ADVANCED CERTIFICATIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE SO SPENT 41,000 SO FAR, UM, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          WE BUDGETED 41,000. 
          WE SPENT 20,000. 
          SO THAT THAT'S, WE JUST INCREASING, ARE 
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WE WANTING MORE TRAINING OR ARE WE JUST WANTING TO, WELL, SO SOME OF THOSE, THEY GET, THEY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CERTIFICATE WITH THEIR TIME IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, IT, IT, AND THERE ARE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS WITH THAT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, TO GO FROM A BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT CER CERTIFICATION TO, UH, INTERMEDIATE TO ADVANCE TO MASTERS, THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS OF TRAINING REQUIRED AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, OF YEARS INVI INVOLVED IN THAT ALSO. 
          AND SO, HELP ME, IS THIS PAYING FOR THE TRAINING OR IS THIS PAYING A STIPEND TO THE, IT'S A, IT'S A STOCKING BA WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NECESSARILY CALL IT A STOCKING, BUT IT'S A, UH, IT'S AN INCENTIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM HOLDING THAT CERTIFICATE. 
          WOULDN'T THEY ALSO HAVE AN INCENTIVE FOR ADVANCEMENT IF THEY HAVE THAT CERTIFICATE? SO IF WE HAVE, GET SOME FEEDBACK, BUT, UH, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS APPLYING FOR, SAY, A LIEUTENANT'S POSITION OR SERGEANT'S POSITION, MANY TIMES THAT'S AN ADVANCED LEVEL OF CERTIFICATION THAT THEY HAVE TO HOLD IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GUANO. 
          WELL, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF WE SEE THIS BROKEN DOWN A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE LIKE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT INCENTIVES AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT. 
          LIKE, IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA GIVE HIM AN INCENTIVE FOR HOLDING A DIFFERENT, MORE ADVANCED, IS THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE? YES. 
          IT OKAY. 
          LOOK UNDER AND THEN WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND, AND THEN AGAIN, HOW THE STEP PROGRAM DOES OR DOESN'T PLAY INTO THIS WHEN WE HIRE SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER AGENCY, BE BECAUSE IF WE'RE HIRING SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER AGENCY AND WE'RE USING THE STEP PROGRAM ALREADY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THIS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT LAST YEAR, BUT I, WELL, THE, THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM THAT TIES BACK TO YOUR CERTIFICATES, YOUR ADVANCE, YOUR INTERMEDIATE, YOUR MASTER'S. 
          OKAY. 
          IT ALSO TIES INTO YOUR, UH, COLLEGE EDUCATION, YEAH. 
          ASSOCIATES, BACHELORS, AND A MASTER'S. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY OF AGENCIES OFFER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS THE SHERIFF MENTIONED, IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT BEING COMPETITIVE OKAY. 
          AND OFFERING SIMILAR BENEFITS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVEN'T ADJUSTED OUR, UH, INCENTIVE PAY IN OVER 15 YEARS. 
          THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          OTHER AGENCIES HAVE IN JUSTIFICATION HERE. 
          NOW, DIDN'T, AGENCY FOUR ARE OFFERED FROM THE VARIOUS AGENCIES THAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT. 
          UH, BUT I DID LOOK AT, UH, ROCKWELL PDS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR BACHELOR DEGREES PAYING 1400 A YEAR, WHERE OUR BACHELOR'S RIGHT NOW IS PAYING, I BELIEVE HUNDRED A YEAR. 
          SO YOU SEE THEY INCREASE THEIR, UH, ROY CITY IS HIGHER THAN US WHO HE, I BELIEVE IS HIGHER THAN US. 
          SO IF YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BEHIND THEM. 
          UH, BUT IT IS AN ASK, IT'S A BIG ASK WHEN YOU START ADDING IT UP BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THAT YOU HAVE. 
          BUT I, LAST YEAR, UH, COMMISSIONER AND I ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, HE HAD DISCUSSED KIND, MAYBE REVAMPING, UH, THE INCENTIVE PAY. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU, THE INCENTIVE IS WHAT YOU, BUT IN DOING SO, I MEAN, YOU KIND OF GET OUTTA LINE WITH ONE OF THEIR AGENCIES ARE DOING. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK UNDER TAB TWO, ABOUT SEVEN PAGES FROM THE, THE BACK OF TAB TWO, UH, IT SHOWS THE, THE JUSTIFICATION. 
          AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, IT SHOWS WHERE ONE CURRENTLY IS ON THERE. 
          BUT IT SHOWS WHAT THE, UH, EDUCATION PAGE IS FOR SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES IN OUR MARKET. 
          COMMISSIONER, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ELECTRONIC VERSION, PAGE 26 WILL SHOW THE PROPOSED AND PAGE 28 SHOWS THE CURRENT EDUCATION INCENTIVE. 
          UM, LET ME START BY SAYING I WISH YOU GUYS WEREN'T FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY THAT, AND SHERIFF, YOU AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS IN HEATH COUPLE TIMES, AND , EVERYBODY WANTS TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF I'M ABOUT TO GO ON A RANT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTED AT YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT DIRECTED AT OUR, AT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM BECAUSE WE ALL WANT ABSOLUTELY THE BEST. 
          AND AS OUR COUNTY DEMANDS IT, AND EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE WOULD SAY WE WANT THE BEST LAW ENFORCEMENT WE CAN GET. 
          SO IF THROUGH THIS PROCESS, EITHER THERE'S ANY CRITICISM, I CERTAINLY NOT 
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DIRECTED FOR YOU ALL AND YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. 
          SO I LOOK THROUGH THIS OVER THE WEEKEND AND THANKS. 
          IT WAS A EXTRAORDINARILY WELL PUT TOGETHER, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS YOU GAVE US. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND MY RANT IS THIS AND THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING I WISH YOU WEREN'T FIRST BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN IN THIS COUNTY INTO WHAT I WOULD CALL AN ADD-ON MENTALITY. 
          OKAY? WE GOT A, UH, AN EMAIL RECENTLY FROM SOMEONE SAYING, HERE'S HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, OTHER COUNTIES, AND TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE. 
          I GET THAT. 
          BUT I LOOK IN HERE AND I SEE WE'VE GOT INCENTIVE PAY, WE'VE GOT LONGEVITY PAY, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND TO ME THERE'S KIND OF A, AND, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, UH, SIR A MINUTE AGO ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO THIS, SO WE'VE GOTTA BE COMPETITIVE WITH THEM. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS PAY, AND SO WE TRY TO GET COMPETITIVE WITH THEM, AND THEN WE DO THE ADD-ONS, TO ME IT GETS REALLY CONFUSING OF IF WE'RE TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE, ISN'T THAT ALL WE HAVE TO DO? UH, YOU KNOW, WHY IS LONGEVITY PAY IN THERE? UH, WE HAVE, UH, WHY DO WE HAVE INCENTIVE PAY, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT WAS MY RANT. 
          I'M OVER IT. 
          UM, BACHELOR'S DEGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GIVE CURRENTLY 900. 
          ROCKWALL PD GIVES 1400 SOME NAMELESS DFW AGENCY GIVES 3,600. 
          THAT'S DALLAS. 
          OKAY. 
          REAL FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. 
          HOW DOES IT, DOES THIS REALLY BENEFIT US? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IN EDUCATION TODAY IS THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING EVERYBODY TO GO TO COLLEGE WHEN MAYBE THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          DOES A, DOES A BACHELOR'S DEGREE REALLY HELP US, UH, THAT MUCH IN, IN, ESPECIALLY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT? I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE SO WELL TRAINED AND YOU'RE GOING TO A LOT OF CON CONTINUING EDUCATION EVENTS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. 
          BUT JUST A QUESTION, DOES IT REALLY HELP US THAT MUCH? I THINK THE CONTINUING EDUCATION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A BACHELOR, GIVE SOMEONE A PAT TO, IF THEY WANNA STAY AS A BASIC LEVEL DEPUTY, IT GIVES THEM A PATH TO, UH, YOU KNOW, REMAIN THERE. 
          AND IT'S A RECRUITING TOOL. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND AND REMEMBER SOME CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN PAST YEARS OVER THIS IS, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO STAY THE AVERAGE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO STAY, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE MIDPOINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN. 
          BUT THE, THESE INCENTIVES ARE AND HAVE BECOME RECRUITING TOOLS WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS LOOKING AT MOVING TO A DIFFERENT AGENCY. 
          WELL, I, THEY LOOK AT THE INCENTIVE PHASE AS FAR AS EDUCATION. 
          THEY LOOK AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A TAKE HOME CARD, WHETHER IT'S, UH, UNIFORM SUPPLY, UM, WEAPONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ARE BROKEN OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I GET THAT. 
          AND FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE THE TO CERTIFICATES. 
          YOU HAVE 900 FOR INTERMEDIATE, 1800 FOR ADVANCED, 2,600 FOR MASTERS. 
          UM, I, SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT ALL THOSE ARE, BUT THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AN LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFICATE AND IMPROVED TRAINING THERE, BUT JUST A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN AND OF ITSELF, IF SOME GUY GETS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN ART HISTORY, DOES THAT REALLY HELP US? AND IS THAT, IS THAT A REASON TO GIVE AN INCENTIVE? I THINK IN ALL EDUCATION THAT WE REQUIRE, UH, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS TO APPLY FOR DEPUTY POSITIONS THAT CAN BE WAIVED IF THEY HAVE OTHER EXPERIENCE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE COMING FROM OUR JAIL, UH, FOR THEIR DETENTION OFFICER FOR SAY TWO, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, WE CAN WAIVE THAT, UH, THAT COLLEGE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM COMING OR IF THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN ANOTHER AGENCY OR IF THEY HAVE MILITARY, UH, FOUR YEAR MILITARY SERVICE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. 
          I THINK SOMEONE COMING OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT GOES IN AND GETS THEIR BACHELOR'S DEGREE OR THEIR ASSOCIATE DEGREE. 
          AND THERE LONG BEEN DEBATES ABOUT THIS, ABOUT REALLY WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE, UH, FIELD THAT YOU DIDN'T, YOUR DEGREE WASN'T, I MEAN, I HAVE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEGREE AND I DIDN'T LEARN EVERYTHING I'M DOING NOW FROM THAT DEGREE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB. 
          BUT I THINK EDUCATION, 
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ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF COLLEGE OR TRADE SCHOOL OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT GIVES YOU THAT MAYBE THE DISCIPLINE AND THE DIVERSITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A WORKPLACE, WILL THAT PERSON SHOW UP? WILL THEY DO THE WORK? WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF EMPLOYEE THEY GET OR WILL THEY BE? AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST A SNAPSHOT. 
          SO IN THE PERFECT, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I CAN, TO ME IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU'RE GIVING INCENTIVES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPROVEMENT. 
          I, I PERSONALLY DON'T GET IT IN THIS CASE FOR COLLEGE. 
          BUT, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO SCHOOL TO GET THEIR BACHELOR'S DEGREE, SAY IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, THEY CAN'T, SOME OF THOSE HOURS WILL GO TOWARD GETTING ADVANCE OR THEIR MASTER'S CERTIFICATION LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE ADDONS BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU KIND OF, I GUESS LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, A PROFESSIONAL WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF ADD-ONS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S TO, INSTEAD OF JUST ADDRESSING THE, THE ISSUE WHICH WAS PAY, WE BEGAN TO, UH, CREATE ADD-ONS. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD DO AWAY WITH THESE AS, UH, ACCOUNTING OR AN AGENCY IF YOU ADDRESS THE PAY AND SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, APPROACH SETTLE, HAVE ALL THESE ADD PRICE, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE SALARY, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I IT MAKES SENSE. 
          WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT LISA WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, WHEN, WHEN YOU DON'T JUST LOOK AT PAY, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT OVER TIME, UNFILLED POSITIONS, ALL, ALL OF THAT IS A, IS A BUCKET OF MONEY TO, TO PAY FOR OFFICERS. 
          THEN YOU WOULD GET PHONE CALLS SAYING, I'M, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR DEPUTY'S WARRANTY. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI THAT, UH, UH, CHIEF AND I GOT TO IS WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THESE INCENTIVE PAYS, IT, IT, IT DOES BECOME COMPLETELY COUNTYWIDE. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA START CHANGING IT FOR BACHELOR'S DEGREES HERE, THERE'S ALSO INCENTIVES FOR OTHER AGE, OTHER PARTS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE THESE SORTS OF INCENTIVES. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS DOES A BACHELOR DEGREE REQUIRED FOR THE JOB? DO YOU, DO YOU PAY SOMEONE AN INCENTIVE WHEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE FOR THE JOB? AND, AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF GOT, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE? BECAUSE IF WE GET TOO CUTE OTHER THAN PAY, I GET THAT. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT THE RECRUITS ARE SEEING WHEN THEY GO AND APPLY AT THIS AGENCY OR THIS AGENCY OR THIS AGENCY. 
          IT, WE, WE HAVE TO SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE AND THEIR LANGUAGES INCENTIVES. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS HAS BEEN VERY ANTI-POLICE. 
          AND THIS IS A BYPRODUCT OF THAT POLITICAL CULTURE THAT IS CULTIVATED IN AMERICA IS THAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO RECRUIT POLICE OFFICERS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, WHEN THE CHIEF AND I GOT INTO THE WEEDS AND HOW DO WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TRUE COUNTYWIDE EFFECT AS FAR AS IT WOULD BE JUST FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN HOW DO YOU DO IT IN A WAY THAT RECRUITS UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING? I THINK, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT SYSTEMICALLY, IT'S A LOT HARDER THAN JUST THAT. 
          BUT I DO THINK AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COMES DOWN TO, TO BOTTOM LINE PAY. 
          AND, AND IF WE GOT MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THAT, WE COULD GET RID OF, UH, THE INCENTIVES. 
          AND I, THAT'S WHERE ULTIMATELY I THINK YOU AND I GOT, IS REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO PAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BILINGUAL, UM, UH, NUMBER ONE, WHO DETERMINES WHETHER SOMEONE IS FLUENT, UM, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF THING DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT? UM, AND IS IT LEGAL OR EVEN POSSIBLE TO HAVE A DEPUTY POSITION JUST SIMPLY PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE BILINGUAL AS OPPOSED TO A DEPUTY THAT'S NOT BILINGUAL? THOSE ARE QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS. 
          WELL, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S OFFERED, YOU COULD SEND THEM TO A TESTING CENTER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, TO TEST THEIR CAPABILITIES. 
          BUT IN THE END, WHAT I WAS PERSONALLY LOOKING AT IS JUST PART THE FLUENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST ISSUE. 
          CAN THEY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND INTERPRET FORCE? SO, YOU KNOW, THE WRITING, UH, THE READING IS NOT AS IMPORTANT. 
          WHAT WE FIND THE BIGGEST NEED IS, THE BIGGEST ASK IS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND INTERPRET. 
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I'M JUST SAYING WHO, WHO GETS TO SAY THIS, THIS CANDIDATE OR THIS EMPLOYEE IS ACTUALLY FLUENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ASKED OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT WE GENERALLY ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE OF WHO WE ALWAYS CALL ON TO INTERPRET FORCE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LIST IN HERE OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED ARE FLUENT. 
          I KNOW LAST YEAR THIS CAME UP AS FAR AS, UM, DISCUSSING I GUESS THE, UH, THE LANGUAGES. 
          AND THERE WAS A WHOLE HOST OF LANGUAGES. 
          I DON'T THINK WE PUT A, A, UH, LIMIT ON WHICH LANGUAGE YOU COULD SPEAK THIS YEAR. 
          WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE, WE REALLY DON'T USE SPANISH FOR THE MOST PART. 
          HOW, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE THAT YOU WOULD CALL FLUENT IN SPANISH? I'VE GOT, UH, FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13 CURRENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, POINT JOHN MADE, AND I APPRECIATE IT. 
          IT KIND OF TIES INTO THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF ADD-ONS, BECAUSE I GET IT, THERE'S A VALUE TO THIS, AND THIS ONE, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT, UM, I WONDER HOW LONG IT'LL BE BEFORE, UM, UH, THE TAX SUCCESSOR COLLECTOR COMES IN AND WANTS A BUMP FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, BILINGUAL. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ON THAT, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, SEVERAL OF YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, PUT CERTAIN STREET PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE BEING FLUENT OR SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO, UH, INTERPRET IN A CERTAIN SITUATION, I THINK YOU HAVE, IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT NEED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE COMING INTO THE TAX OFFICE VERSUS SOMEONE IN THE STREET CRITICAL SITUATION. 
          YOU KNOW, OR LOOKING AT TALKING TO A VICTIM OR A SUSPECT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HEY, IS THIS PERSON MORE OF A THREAT? LESS OF A THREAT? YEAH. 
          TRYING TO GET INFORMATION. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NEED. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS HERE IN THESE, UH, SPEAKERS WHO COME TO THE WINDOW NEEDING ACCIDENT REPORTS, UH, OFFENSE REPORTS. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE MAKING THIS WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE POLICIES OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POLICIES OF OUR CIVILIAN, UH, WORKFORCE. 
          I DON'T, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE MAKING IT SO COMPLICATED. 
          WE HAVE A STEP PROGRAM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT OVER HERE WITH THE CIVILIAN CIVILIAN WORKFORCE, DO WE, WHEN WE HIRE SOMEBODY FROM ANOTHER? RIGHT. 
          I THINK WE'RE MAKING IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          I THINK IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION OF WE CAN'T HAVE INCENTIVE PAY BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE COUNTY OR EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE MUNICIPALITY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO, SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING A LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY INCENTIVES SCHEDULE? YES, AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO, TO COMPETE TODAY, HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY INCENTIVE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA COMPETE ON OVERALL PAY, YOU'RE GONNA GET OUTPACED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. 
          AND IT'S, WE, WE WERE NUMBER ONE FOR ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT INCENTIVE ONLY PAY TO COMPETE BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU THINK YOU'RE COMPETITIVE ON OVERALL PAY, IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE FOCUSED ON, YOU'RE NOT JUST AS QUICK AS YOU THINK YOU ARE. 
          SO, SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO GO THAT DIRECTION. 
          IT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          UM, REMIND ME, LISA OR CAMMY, DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A STIPEND FOR SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE? NO, WE DO NOT. 
          WE DO NOT. 
          WE, WE DISCUSSED IT. 
          WE DIDN'T, WE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          . 
          SO, BUT, BUT AGAIN, UM, COMMISSIONER ALANA, THAT'S WHERE OUR DISCUSSION GOT LAST YEAR IS DO WE JUST DO THAT? UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THE BENEFITS AND POLICY COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND MYSELF ON, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A TOPIC THAT WE WILL, UH, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING BECAUSE IT'S OUR JOB TO COME BACK WITH THOSE SORTS OF POLICIES. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S FRUITFUL FROM HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AS A GROUP, IS THAT LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND TALKING ABOUT IT, IT WAS SO FOREIGN BECAUSE NO ONE WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE, THE WHOLE SCOPE. 
          AND SO WHEN I WAS GOING AROUND SAYING, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THIS AND DO A LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUS, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? IT'S THE, BUT THEY'RE NOT SEEING, WE WEREN'T HAVING LIKE THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS WHERE EVERYONE WAS SITTING IN A ROOM AND TALKING. 
          UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO MAKE THAT A REALITY. 
          UM, I TRIED LAST YEAR WITH, WITH CHIEF, WHICH HE ALLUDED 
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TO. 
          UM, WE DID TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT A REALITY, BUT IT WAS, IT JUST DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS, THERE, THE REALITY THAT WE JUST HAVE TO SAY TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE HONEST CONVERSATIONS IS WE'VE HAD A DECADE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ANTI-POLICE, AND THAT HAS DRASTIC EFFECTS ON OUR CULTURE, AND WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE IF, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE FIRST TIME I MET JUDGE NEW WAS AT A DEBATE IN LIBERTY HALL, AND HE SAID SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS PROFOUND. 
          WHEN YOU LOSE PUBLIC SAFETY, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. 
          AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT. 
          AND AND IS IT, IS IT TO DO A BILINGUAL PAY? NO, IT'S NOT TO DO BILINGUAL PAY. 
          IS IT TO DO INCENTIVES FOR BACHELOR'S DEGREE? NO, IT'S TO RECRUIT GOOD QUALITY DEPUTIES TO KEEP OUR STAFFING AT THE LEVELS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP ROCKWALL COUNTY WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          SO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ON A SOAPBOX. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IT ISN'T ABOUT THE PAYS, IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COMPETE AND RECRUIT. 
          AND IF THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OUR RECRUITS SPEAK, THEN LET'S SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE. 
          AND, AND I DO AGREE THAT AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I'M LIKE, MOLLY, JUST PAY YOU MORE. 
          WELL, THEY'RE GONNA GO AND SAY, BUT I'M GETTING THIS INCENTIVE AND I'M GETTING THAT INCENTIVE. 
          SO IF THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING, LET'S SPEAK IT. 
          LET'S BE COMPETITIVE. 
          LET'S PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I'M FOR THAT. 
          SO I WAS JUST SAYING, COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I'M, I'M FOR TRYING TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING IT COMPLICATED. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS UP HERE. 
          AND I, I, I AGREE. 
          I JUST ASKED A QUESTION, WHICH I THINK IS VERY FAIR. 
          I MEAN, YOU HEAR EVERYWHERE. 
          WHAT'S THE VALUE OF A BACHELOR'S DEGREE? I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE APPROACHING ZERO DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE THAT MAYBE APPROACHING ZERO. 
          YEAH, THAT ONE I AGREE WITH. 
          YEAH, A COMMISSIONER LIKE THE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT A, IF I WAS TO PICK ON AN INCENTIVE, I WOULD PICK ON THAT ONE TOO. 
          WELL, I, I, I'VE GOT ISSUES WITH THIS CONCEPT IN GENERAL, BUT, UM, I AGREE. 
          WE'VE GOTTA COMPETE. 
          AND I, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY RIGHT NOW. 
          , THIS IS OUR FIRST, THIS IS OUR FIRST. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I, I, I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          BUT, BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE GO BACK TO TRY TO DO THIS, TO DO THE POLICY, I'M GONNA GET BACK WITH THE CHIEF AND, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA GET SOME COMPARATIVE DATA. 
          UM, SO PLEASE EMAIL ME WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU HAD TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WE NEED TO DO BACHELOR'S DEGREE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, WHAT RECRUITS ARE SEEING, AND LET'S JUST PUT TOGETHER A MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE, UM, UH, BOX. 
          BECAUSE THIS, AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, THE SECOND WE DO THIS, OUR BUDGET GOES PUBLIC OCTOBER 1ST. 
          OTHER CITIES, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE GOING TO REACT. 
          AND SO, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO DO THIS. 
          BUT YEAH, MY, MY GOAL WAS TO GET RID OF ALL OF THESE INCENTIVES AND TRY TO BUILD IT INTO PAY AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          BUT, BUT IT BECAME REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO, UM, WHEN WE JUST STARTED LOOKING AT, WHEN WE GO TALK TO, TO A GUY OR GAL ON THE STREET AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO COME BE A DEPUTY AT ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE GOING THROUGH OFFERS. 
          THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MULTIPLE OFFERS. 
          DRIVING BACK FROM HOUSTON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THERE'S A BILLBOARD ON 45 THAT SAYS, PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT 118,000. 
          AND THERE'S A, AND THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL IT SAYS, . 
          THEY'VE GOT THE SAME ONE ON 35 ALSO, AND FRISCO HAS ONE. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, , THERE'S, WE'RE LACKING A LOT OF DATA, BUT IT, IT GOT MY ATTENTION AND APPARENTLY EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE. 
          UM, OKAY, WELL LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S, UM, MOVE ALONG. 
          TELEPHONE AIR CARDS I THINK IS JUST A NATURAL PROGRESSION OF, OF, UH, INCREASED COST DUE TO INCREASE, INCREASE. 
          SOME OF THESE LINE ITEMS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SOME OF THEM WILL BE JUST, UH, COST ITEMS THAT THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, UH, HAVE INCREASED. 
          SO WE PUT THAT IN THERE. 
          UH, AND IF WE GO LINE ITEMS, I WANNA MAKE, MAKE A POINT THAT OF ITEMS ARE COVERED MORE IN DEPTH IN THE YOU MAINTENANCE, UH, INCREASE IN COSTS FROM EIGHT FIVE OR DECREASING COST. 
          SO THERE'S YOUR MONEY, THERE'S A DECREASE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT FALLING FOR THAT SHERIFF, I AM NOT FALLING FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, IT'S A DECREASE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT, IT'S MOVING MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, UH, IT'S SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A MOVEMENT IN THE LINE ITEMS THERE IS WHAT THEY DO. 
          UH, COMPUTER SOFTWARE, IS THAT THE ONE YOU, YOU HANDED OUT? UM, THE, THE JUSTIFICATIONS ON ALL CAN, CAN YOU WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT? 
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YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, SO WHAT I, WHAT I NOTICED IS THAT YOUR OPERATIONS BUDGET INCREASED $33,000, JUST THE OPERATIONS TAKEOUT PERSONNEL. 
          AND 20,000 OF IT WAS THE SOFTWARE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT FELT LIKE, SO THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, CURRENTLY ROCKWELL PD AND, AND QUITE A FEW OTHER AGENCIES, HOWARD, MARK AND SOME OTHERS USE THIS. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TYLER, UH, WILL ADD TO YOUR SYSTEM FOR YOUR CAD THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY PUSH, UH, NOTIFICATIONS FROM ALL OF THE ALARM COMPANIES TO THE CAD SYSTEM. 
          SO THERE ISN'T PHONE CALLS BEING MADE BY DISPATCH SERVICE. 
          IT CUTS DOWN TIME FROM THE RECEIVING OF THE ALARM FROM A PERSON IN A CALL CENTER SOMEWHERE, GETTING THE ALARM, MAKING A PHONE CALL TO DISPATCH, DISPATCH, TRANSLATING THAT TO THE CAD, TO DEPUTIES. 
          ALL OF THAT CUTS DOWN. 
          ALL OF THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUSHES FROM THOSE ALARM COMPANIES STRAIGHT TO THE COMPUTER THAT THOSE CALLS, UH, FROM THOSE UH, COMPANIES. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, QUITE A FEW OTHER AGENCIES, INCLUDING  HAVE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND IT DOES SAVE TIME, JUST MANPOWER AND DISPATCH JUST THE TIME TO, TO TAKE THOSE CALLS AND, AND TRANSLATE THOSE TO THE COMPUTER. 
          IT ALSO CUTS DOWN ON, UM, ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS OR MISINFORMATION THAT MAY OCCUR, UM, DURING THAT PROCESS OF TRANSLATING THAT. 
          DO, DO WE, UH, CURRENTLY HAVE A POLICY FOR CONTINUED ALARM FALSE ALARMS? YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DO, DO WE HAVE A POLICY? ARE ARE, ARE WE CHARGING PEOPLE OR FINDING PEOPLE FOR CONTINUED FALSE ALARMS? WE DO NOT. 
          'CAUSE I CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, I USED TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT THEY SET OFF THEIR ALARM ALMOST DAILY. 
          UM, I MEAN, AND IT GOT TO THE POINT TO WHERE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S COMING  WHEN YOU SET OFF THE, AND, AND RIGHTFULLY SO. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DO, IF THIS IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE DEPUTY, UM, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE RESPONDING, UH, AND IF WE GET OUT THERE AND IT'S, UH, OH, I PUSH THE WRONG BUTTONS, WE, WHICH I DO HERE IN THIS BUILDING AND WE CURRENT THE SHERIFF OFFICE POLICY FOR YEARS HAS BEEN, EVEN IF WE GET A MESSAGE FROM THE COMPANY THAT THE HOMEOWNER SOMEWHAT DISREGARDED, THAT WE AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE TO SEND JUST TO ENSURE THAT THAT GOT IT. 
          IT WAS A TRUE DISREGARD, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT ENDS UP BEING, CONTINUOUS INSTEAD OF . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING WE SHOULD DO. 
          AND SHERIFF WOULD REMEMBER WE DID THIS, UH, WHEN I WAS MAYOR OF HEATH BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY FALSE ALARMS AND IT COSTS US MONEY EVERY TIME WE DO THIS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          LET'S, LET'S PASS AN ORDINANCE OR DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO, IF IT'S A PROBLEM, I DON'T HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM IT IS. 
          BUT I KNOW THERE WAS ONE PLACE IN HEATH AT THE TIME WHERE WE HAD ONE YEAR OVER 50 FALSE ALARMS FROM ONE RESIDENCE, AND WE STARTED CHARGING PEOPLE AFTER THREE ALARMS AND, UM, THAT, AND STOPPED IMMEDIATELY THREE, THREE FALSE ALARMS. YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          THIS, I READ THIS OVER THE WEEKEND AND THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME. 
          SO IF THIS IS NOW A SOFTWARE WHERE IF, LIKE, LET'S SAY JUST PICK ON GREEN SECURITY FOR EXAMPLE. 
          YOU GET AN ALARM FROM GREEN SECURITY THAT IMMEDIATELY GOES TO THE CAR, WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THAT ALARM WOULD COME THROUGH AND GO TO A CALL CENTER, WHATEVER CALL CENTER ALARM COMPANY USES, THEY CAN BE OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THEN THE PERSON CALL CENTERS, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER ALARMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAVE. 
          STAFF DETERMINES HOW LONG THAT TRANSITION HAPPENS WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE ALARM UP OF THE LOCAL AGENCY THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT ALARM. 
          THEN THAT DISPATCHER FOR THAT AGENCY WILL CALL OUR DISPATCH CENTER, GET SOMEONE ON THE PHONE, AND THEY'LL BEGIN TO TRANSLATE THAT CALL INFORMATION TO THE DISPATCH CENTER. 
          UH, THEN THE DISPATCHERS WILL TAKE THAT INFORMATION, ENTER INTO THE CAD AND GET IT SET UP SO THAT DEPUTIES CAN THEN SEE THAT AND BE DISPATCHED TO THAT SO THEY CAN ANSWER A CALL. 
          AND, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN IDEA OF THE TIMEFRAME, WE HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT THIS ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RESPONDED TWO NINE SECURITIES, UH, ALARMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE USED TO IN DIFFERENT COUNTY 
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BUILDINGS. 
          AND THOSE ALARMS CAN BE TRANSLATED ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO SOMETIMES, UH, UPWARDS TO 15 TO 20 MINUTES, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PARTICULAR TIME, IN THAT CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN BEFORE IT GETS TO YOU NOW. 
          SO, AND IF I, THIS SAYS THAT IT ALLOWS ALARM MONITORING COMPANIES TO TRANSMIT CRITICAL ALARM INFORMATION DIRECTLY INTO YOUR CAD SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN WHEN MY ALARM GOES OFF AT MY HOUSE AND SOMEONE IN MY HOUSE UNNAMED CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CODE IS, THAT THAT IMMEDIATELY IS GONNA GO TO OUR, IN, IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE THIS HEATH POLICE, BUT IT WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          AND DO WE WANT THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A SECURITY DEAL AT OUR HOUSE SECURITY SYSTEM AND WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME. 
          YOUR ALARM WENT OFF AND WE CORRECT IT AND WE STOP IT. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT TAKES THAT ABILITY TO FILTER THAT OUT. 
          AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WOULD A DEPUTY IMMEDIATELY GET A CALL AND HEAD OVER? SO, UM, WE, LIKE I SAID, OUR POLICY AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS. 
          WE DO NOT FILTER THOSE AT ALL ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE AUTOMATICALLY RESPOND TO THOSE, UM, AGENCIES, LARGER AGENCIES LIKE DALLAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY DO FILTER THOSE OUT. 
          SOMETIMES SOME BIGGER AGENCIES WON'T EVEN RESPOND TO THOSE. 
          BUT OUR AGENCY, WE RESPOND TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE CALLS REGARDLESS. 
          SO THAT WILL CUT DOWN ON THAT TIMEFRAME FROM ALL THAT BEING DISSEMINATED NOW? YES, THEY, THE DISPATCH CENTER COULD STILL RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM THAT, AND IT WILL UPDATE THE CAD, UM, THROUGH TO THE DEPUTY TO SHOW THAT A HOMEOWNER IS ON SCENE. 
          AND THEY DID GIVE THE CODE. 
          HOWEVER, WE WILL STILL RESPOND JUST TO ENSURE THAT THAT WAS NOT BEING FORCED TO HAPPEN BY AN INTRUDER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE THE LUXURY TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS, TO BE PROACTIVE, TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE STAYS SAFE. 
          AND THAT'S THE WAY WE, UH, BASICALLY OUR POLICIES READ SO THAT WE RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS. 
          SO NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE. 
          THIS WOULD JUST, UH, CHANGE THE RESPONSE TIME MORE OR LESS, THAT THAT INFORMATION WOULD TRANSLATE QUICKER AND BE DISSEMINATED TO THOSE DEPUTIES DIRECTLY TO WHERE THEY CAN RESPOND TO THOSE IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER. 
          WELL, AND IMPROVING RESPONSE TIME SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD THING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, WHICH I MAY NOT BE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATING A FILTER BY DOING THIS. 
          AND THAT FILTER IS THE GUYS AT GREEN'S CALL CENTER IN THIS CASE. 
          OKAY? SO I HAVE GREEN SECURITY, AND THEY, THEY CALL AND I TELL 'EM, NO, SORRY, I HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A CODE WORD. 
          THEY THEY DO. 
          AND THEY SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL THE POLICE? I SAY, NO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOW ELIMINATED. 
          AND THAT CALL WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO YOU. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD CREATE, OR AT LEAST RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING INCREASED WORK FOR YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU'RE ELIMINATING A SCREENING MECHANISM. 
          I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, LET ME, I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO JUMP IN. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA DO THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA RESPOND NO MATTER WHAT, BASED ON WHAT YOUR POLICY SAYS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE WORKLOAD. 
          I, I, IT'S JUST TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A, WHAT IF IT'S A FALSE ALARM PERSPECTIVE, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT AS, WHAT IF IT'S NOT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          AND THE WORST CASE SCENARIO SAYS, THIS IS A REAL DEAL, AND THIS IS GONNA MAKE RESPONSE TIME FASTER IN A REAL SITUATION. 
          RIGHT? WELL, CORRECT. 
          NO, I DISAGREE. 
          IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE. 
          TAKE THE CALL CENTER COMPLETELY OUT OF THE EQUATION. 
          UH, SOME OF THESE CALL CENTERS ARE IN OTHER STATES. 
          HOW, SO? THIS GIVES US A MORE REAL TIME, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S, WHERE THE ALARM IS, WHAT KIND ALARM IT IS, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          AND YOU GUYS DO A BETTER JOB, CLEARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT IF YOU PLAN THAT EVERY ALARM IS A REAL ALARM, THEY ALREADY DO THAT. 
          NO, THEY DON'T. 
          BECAUSE WHEN GREEN, YES, YES, THEY DO. 
          WELL, THEY, NO, NO. 
          EVEN IF GIFTS TO THE COUNTY, EVEN IF GREEN FILTERS IT AND SAYS IT'S NOT, DON'T THEY? HOW CAN THAT BE? THEY'RE NOT GETTING THIS NOW. 
          SO THEY, THEY, THEY ARE GONNA BE NUMBER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING AFTER THEY GET A CALL FROM GREEN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          GREEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STOP. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          CALL. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS ELIMINATE THAT FILTER AND LOOK, AGAIN, IMPROVED TIME AND RESPONSE TIME IS GREAT. 
          BUT IF MY HOUSE IS ANY INDICATION, UM, ONCE A MONTH, I'M GONNA HAVE THE SHERIFF SHOWING UP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND 
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MULTIPLY THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY E EXACTLY. 
          AND IT MAY END UP IN A NET DECREASE IN RESPONSE TIMES. 
          AND WHAT IF ONE OF THOSE TIMES, AS A TOTAL AGENCY, WHAT IF ONE OF THOSE TIMES, AND YOU TURN OFF THE ALARM AND YOU TELL GREEN, NEVERMIND, THERE'S A GUY THERE HOLDING SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU UNDER DURESS TO TURN YOUR ALARM OFF YEAH. 
          AND TELL GREEN NOT TO HAVE A SHERIFF RESPONSE. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, THERE'S A CODE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, OKAY. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          LOOK, AGAIN, WANNA SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT EVERY DECISION WE MAKE COSTS US MONEY. 
          AND THIS IS ONE WHERE, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, AND I, NOTHING'S CHANGED FROM THIS DISCUSSION WHERE I'M THINKING WE MAY BE ADDING A BURDEN THAT WE DON'T NEED TO ADD IN PAYING $20,530 TO DO IT. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I WOULD SAY THE, THE BURDEN CURRENTLY IS NOT NECESSARILY RECEIVING THE CALL IN GENERAL AND RESPONDING TO IT. 
          THE BURDEN IS THE FACT THAT THAT INFORMATION HAS TO BE MANUALLY TRANSLATED. 
          UH, CAPTAIN WELSH JUST BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. 
          UM, WHEN HE, WHEN YOU SET UP YOUR ALARM SYSTEM WITH THE COMPANY, YOU HAVE THE, THE ABILITY AT THAT POINT TO CHOOSE WHETHER YOU WANT THOSE THINGS TO GO THROUGH, OR WHETHER YOU WANT YOU TO BE CONTACTED PRIOR TO THEM CALLING THE POLICE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE OF LIABILITY ISSUES, AND ALARM COMPANY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WOULD NOT STOP A CALL FROM GOING THROUGH TO A POLICE AGENCY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THEY IMMEDIATELY, WHEN THEY GET THOSE CALLS, THEY PUSH THEM TO US. 
          THEN AS THEY GET UPDATES LIKE THE HOMEOWNERS ON SCENE AND THEY GAVE THE CORRECT PASSCODE, THEY GET, THEY TRANSLATE THAT INFORMATION MANUALLY NOW OVER THE PHONE TO DIS OUR DISPATCH CENTER AND TELL THEM. 
          SO WE CAN DISREGARD. 
          IF OUR POLICY DIDN'T DICTATE THAT WE, WE DON'T, THEY WOULD TRANSLATE THAT INFORMATION TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISREGARD IF WE WANTED TO DISREGARD, WHICH, UH, WOULD GO AGAINST OUR POLICY CURRENTLY. 
          BUT, UH, THOSE THINGS ARE STILL GOING TO OCCUR. 
          UH, THE SAME WAY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PERSON WHO HAS PURCHASED THAT ALARM HAS SET UP AS FAR AS THEIR PRE-SETUP GUIDELINES, IS THE WAY THAT COMPANY RESPONDS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO RECEIVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF CALLS. 
          UH, IT'S ALL DEPENDENT UPON HOW THE INDIVIDUAL SETS UP THEIR ALARM SYSTEM. 
          IF THEY WANT THOSE CALLS TO GO THROUGH TO POLICE PRIOR TO THEM BEING CONTACTED, WE WILL STILL GET THOSE CALLS. 
          THOSE CALLS WILL STILL GO THROUGH THAT CALL CENTER. 
          THEN THEY WILL BE MANUALLY TRANSLATED TO A DISPATCHER WHO WILL MANUALLY HAVE TO ENTER THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE RECEIVING THOSE CALLS IN THE MIDST OF MAJOR ACCIDENTS ON FREEWAYS, UH, FIRES, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER CALLS FOR SERVICE, THAT IS A BURDEN ON THOSE DISPATCHERS BECAUSE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM ALL OF THOSE ACTIVE SCENES ARE BEING FUNNELED THROUGH THE TWO LADIES THAT ARE SITTING AT THOSE CONSOLES. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE AUTOMATED OR PUSHED THROUGH ELECTRONICALLY THAT TAKES THAT OFF OF THEIR PLATE, REDUCES THAT WORKLOAD. 
          IS THIS A ONE-TIME COST OR IS THIS AN ONGOING COST? UH, THE, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A $1,600 FEE FOR TYLER FOR A YEARLY FEE. 
          TYLER. 
          SO 1600? UH, YES. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS 16. 
          OKAY. 
          1680, I BELIEVE IS THE YEAR YEARLY MAINTENANCE. 
          TAB FIVE, I THINK THINK IS, YEAH, TAB FIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          ASK FOR SOME TABS. 
          WELL, I READ IT. 
          I JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN A TAB. 
          IT'S 16 39 0 9 16 DASH NINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PAPERWORK, UH, THAT I HANDED OUT THIS MORNING WAS, UH, MY MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          I THAT 20, THE OVERALL COST OF THAT DOES NOT CHANGE. 
          HOWEVER, UM, PART OF THAT WAS FOR THIS ASAP, THAT CONNECTION TO THE ALARM 
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COMPANIES. 
          THE OTHER $4,650 WAS FOR, UH, 30 WORK HOURS FOR TYLER TO ACTUALLY AUTOMATE A SECONDARY APPLICATION ON CAD, UH, TO AUTOMATE THE HIT RESPONSES FOR STOLEN VEHICLES, WANTED PERSONS, AND, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGES FROM CI WHEN THOSE THINGS ARE ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THOSE WERE TWO SEPARATE LINES, BUT THE OVERALL PRICE TAG WAS STILL THE SAME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT BRINGS US TO SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          IS THAT ASSUMING THAT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS APPROVED OR NO, IT'S A SEPARATE, SIR. 
          THESE ARE SEPARATE ITEMS. GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET, LET'S LOOK AT CAPITAL OUTLAY, UNLESS COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON OPERATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON OPERATIONS, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY DEAL 'EM WITH THEM LATER. 
          WELL, IT DID, BUT THERE, NO, THERE'S A WHOLE STACK OF THINGS IN HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PEOPLE, UM, DOING A LOT. 
          WELL, THAT'S PER, YEAH, THAT'S PERSONNEL STUFF. 
          SO I WAS JUST SAYING, BUT ISN'T THAT OPERATIONS? NO, WE'LL GO TO THOSE TABS. 
          OH, YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH 'EM SEPARATELY? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S GO TO CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING FROM, UH, A BUDGET OF 35 200 TO 59,299 . 
          WHY, WHY IS CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT SMILING AT ME WHEN I SAY THAT?  JUST HAPPY TODAY, . 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ON THE 800, IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          LINE 800, 806 5800 IS TO REPLACE, UH, 16, UH, OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT LAPTOPS, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE IT DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, THESE UNITS ARE BEING REPLACED, WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS 11. 
          SO WE KIND OF TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN IT, ACCEPTING THAT BURDEN AND THEN THE DEPARTMENTS ACCEPTING THAT BURDEN. 
          SO UNDER THIS ONE, YOU'RE, YOU GUYS ARE ACCEPTING THE, OR REQUESTING THE BURDEN? UM, THE LAPTOP VERSION. 
          THE PORTION OF THE COMPUTERS, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, I HAD A QUESTION, UM, FOR LISA. 
          UM, THE $20,000 FOR THE VEHICLE, CAN THAT NOT BE DONE THROUGH THE FUND? 59 THAT IS THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY RATHER THAN THROUGH THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE SHERIFF? YOU COULDN'T USE FUND 59 FOR A VEHICLE, BUT I THINK IT, YOU'RE THINK YOU'RE THINKING OF CAPITAL PURCHASES 79? NO, NO, I WAS JUST THINKING COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          SO YOU CAN'T USE IT TO BUY A VEHICLE? NO. 
          I, I, THAT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT, UH, X-RAY MACHINES AND HANDHELD WS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I I FIGURED IT WAS, I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT BEFORE WE GOT INTO CREATIVE ACCOUNTING. 
          WELL, AND, AND THIS, UH, JUST REMEMBER THE, THE BIG JUMP OF THAT 800, THE 50,000 TO 800,000 FROM LAST YEAR, IS THAT YOU DID USE A LOT OF SPECIFIC SPECIAL FUNDS TO PURCHASE THEIR VEHICLES. 
          OH YEAH. 
          NO, NO, I REMEMBER THAT. 
          NO, I WAS JUST SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT CAR. 
          IT CAN'T, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I JUST REMEMBER EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE TECH SECURITY FUND, IT JUST BECOMES A DISAPPOINTING CONVERSATION, . 
          IT'S JUST EVERY TIME WE TRY TO GET CREATIVE, IT'S VERY STATUTORILY DRIVEN. 
          AND THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP AND I THINK LISA DOING HER RESEARCH, THE, THE VEHICLE ITSELF WAS NOT, DID NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE SECURITY FUND. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT IS A SECURITY FUND. 
          DIDN'T WE SPIN THAT FUND ON A NEW X-RAY MACHINE? YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FUND EXISTS. 
          SO, JOHN, ARE, ARE YOU SPEAKING? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT 8 0 1 8? NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT FUND 59, WHICH IS THE, UM, WHICH IT, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A $20,000 VEHICLE FOR COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE A COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND. 
          BUT THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND IS STATUTORILY DEFINED AND WE CAN'T USE, WE CAN'T USE IT. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CHECK THAT BOX AND THAT WE CAN'T USE IT FOR THAT, WHICH I FIGURED WAS THE CASE, BUT I WANTED TO GET THAT QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER IS, I MAY BE GETTING THEM CONFUSED. 
          BUT ISN'T 59, THAT'S NOT THE SECURITY ONE, IS IT? THAT'S YOUR COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          YOU'RE THINKING 51 IS THE 
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PUBLIC 50 SAFETY SALES. 
          51. 
          OKAY. 
          I WASN'T TALKING PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX. 
          NO, I WAS TALKING SPECIFICALLY THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A FUN 51 ARGUMENT THIS EARLY IN THE . 
          OH NO, I HAVE ONE. 
          OH, I KNOW. 
          NO, NO, I HAVE ONE ABOUT TO HAPPEN. 
          OKAY, . 
          ALRIGHT, WELL HERE WE GO. 
          FUN. 
          51. 
          SO LET'S JUST JUMP INTO THAT. 
          SO THEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY TAX. 
          I WAS THINKING ON THE BODY CAMERAS, I WAS JUST THINKING WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE TO PUT THAT LEASE. 
          MIGHT BE, MIGHT NOT BE. 
          BUT JUST AS COMMISSIONERS, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT $174,000, WE NEED BODY CAMERAS. 
          I LIKE THE LEASE CONCEPT OF LEASING THE BODY CAMERAS. 
          I THINK ALL THAT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL. 
          I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT. 
          IF Y'ALL DO, YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP AHEAD TO THE BODY CAMERAS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE PUBLIC CELL SAFETY TAX DOING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD SUPPORT IT, BUT I, I THINK IT'S WORTH US DIVING INTO, AND SO JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY FOR THE JUDGE, WHEN YOU'RE WRITING THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF LOOK INTO THAT AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT ALL TOGETHER. 
          'CAUSE WHERE WE PUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, BUT IT COULD REALLY HELP US IF IT WASN'T IN THE, THE GENERAL FUND, AND IT WAS 100% FOR PUBLIC SAFETY . 
          THAT'S WHAT POTTY CAMERAS ARE FOR. 
          SO, AND ONE OF THE, WELL, WE'LL GET INTO THE CAMERAS LATER, BUT, UH, WE HAD A, A DISCUSSION WITH IT ON THE CLOUD, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE, UH, ISSUES. 
          SO THAT WOULD, I THINK, OVERALL SAVE US, UH, WITH HAVING ON-PREM SERVICE ON STORAGE IF SOMETHING DID HAPPEN. 
          YEAH, I I REALLY LIKE THE PROPOSAL THAT SHE GOT TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE BUDGETING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT OF LEASING THEM, KEEPING THEM ONPREM, DOING. 
          I LIKE ALL OF THAT. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, LINE 8 0 1 AT A EIGHTFOLD INCREASE. 
          SO 8 0 1, UH, WAS THE, UM, UH, UTB VEHICLE AT THE COURTHOUSE. 
          THE CURRENT ONE IS, I BELIEVE 13 YEARS OLD. 
          UH, 2011. 
          I THOUGHT YOU SAID 16 IN THE 16, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THEN THAT, UH, ALSO FOR THE, UH, 10, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG JUMP, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO 24, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT 1.1 MILLION IN, IN 24, AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR $881,247 AND 26. 
          SO, UM, THE FLEET COMMITTEE, YEAH. 
          THIS IS, UH,  CAPTAIN BROWN. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE FLEET COMMITTEE WAS RECOMMENDING. 
          IT WAS 10, UM, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WE GOT, UH, A LOT DONE LAST YEAR, UM, AND GOT US KIND OF BACK ON TRACK. 
          AND I THINK THIS 10 IS, UH, GONNA KEEP US GOING THE SAME DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE REALLY, UH, GETTING RID OF THOSE, UM, VERY HIGH MILEAGE UNITS. 
          UM, MANY OVER 120, 130,000, UH, THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN, YOU KNOW, PATROL UNITS ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS RIGHT. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 10 THAT WE COULD TARGET, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THAT WE CAN, UH, THROUGH YOUR MANAGEMENT, UM, HOLD ONTO FOR ANOTHER YEAR. 
          AND, UH, 10 IS ABOUT THE NUMBER WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          I WASN'T ON THE COURT LAST YEAR, BUT THE NUMBER THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE FLEET MEETINGS ABOUT, UM, EVERY YEAR TO KIND OF EXPECT THAT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND TO PULL BACK THE CURTAIN A LITTLE BIT, UM, COMMISSIONER GOANA DID NOT HAVE A DEMOCRAT OPPONENT, SO HE DID SIT IN TO ALL THE FLEET MEETINGS, UM, LAST YEAR. 
          UM, SO WE KNEW THAT, UM, ONCE HE WON HIS RUNOFF WITH HIS EX EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH ENTERPRISE AND, AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT HE WOULD BE THE PERFECT PERSON TO TAKE OVER THE FLEET. 
          SO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVIER AND I HAD HIM SIT IN TO THOSE MEETINGS. 
          SO YOU ARE, YOU, YOU, IT WAS A, IT WAS A TWO TO THREE YEAR PLAN. 
          YOU WERE THERE, YOU HELPED US CREATE THE PLAN, AND YOU'RE EXECUTING THE PLAN. 
          SO THE 10 CARS WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ROCKWALL COUNTY, NOT HAVING OPPONENTS HELPS US BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR MONEY. 
           JUST FELT LIKE A GOOD TIME TO PUT, PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT UTVS. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A UTV AND A GOLF CART? SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WAS HAVING SOMETHING THAT, RIGHT NOW WE USE THE GOLF CART, BUT IT IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE COURTHOUSE. 
          SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS REPLACE THAT, BUT ALSO LOOK TO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS 
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WITH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          SO IF WE HAVE CRIME SCENES THAT ARE OUT IN RURAL AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO, IF WE HAVE OTHER SORTS OF, UH, COMMUNITY EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO ALL KINDS OF, OF THINGS LIKE THAT AND MISSING PERSONS. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW CHILDREN RUN OFF INTO WOODED AREAS AND, AND ROUGH TERRAIN AREAS. 
          SO USING THOSE, THAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT IN OTHER MANNERS TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING ONE SIMPLE VEHICLE THAT SITS AT A COURTHOUSE THAT BASICALLY JUST DOES ROUNDS WITHIN THAT. 
          WE WANTED TO, TO PER HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE COULD USE IN A MORE WIDE VARIETY OF WAYS. 
          SO VI VISUALLY, IS THIS A, UH, FOUR SEATER? YES. 
          IT, IT'LL LOOK LIKE AND COMPLETELY ENCLOSED, OR NO, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ENC CLOSED. 
          ENC COMPLETELY ENCLOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT IS, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE DOORS ON IT, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IT BASICALLY IS, UH, AN ARRANGER. 
          IT'S A FOUR SEATER, UH, WITH A BED ON IT TO BE ABLE TO CARRY EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT IT WITH THE TRAILER YOU ALREADY HAVE. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          DID YOU TRANSPORT OTHER EQUIPMENT? CURRENTLY HAVE TRAILERS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DOES THE $86,000 CAR INCLUDE ALL THE EQUIPMENT? NO, JUST THE VEHICLE. 
          IT'S THE VEHICLE AND THE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT, UH, AND INSTALLATION OF THE RADIO, THE, THE, UH, CAMERA SYSTEMS AND THE RADARS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY, THEY INSTALL ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE REUSE, AND THEN THEY PUT NEW LIGHTING EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT ON VEHICLES. 
          SO, ARE WE USING OLD EQUIPMENT OR SOMETIMES ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR NEW EQUIPMENT? WELL, I JUST WONDER IF THIS IS THE TOTAL NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          IT GOES IN PHASES, SO, OKAY. 
          UH, RATE, UH, USUALLY A RADAR FOR A CAR. 
          WE, WE DON'T GENERALLY REPLACE THAT UNTIL, UH, IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE IT'S NO LONGER SERVICEABLE. 
          SO IF WE PAY $3,000 FOR A RADAR, WE CONTINUE TO USE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF PROBABLY TWO LIFETIMES OF VEHICLES, AT LEAST, UH, BEFORE THAT IS REPLACED. 
          UH, CAMERA SYSTEMS. CAMERA SYSTEMS ARE THE LIFE OF, OF MULTIPLE CARS JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THOSE, UH, IN, IN PAST, UH, YEARS, UH, WITH A LEASE PROGRAM THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BY CONTRACT, THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THAT WAY. 
          UH, THEN RADIOS, RADIOS GENERALLY STAY IN CARS, UH, FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF MECHANICAL MALFUNCTION OR WE GO COUNTYWIDE UPGRADING RADIO SYSTEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THOSE LARGER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT COST, UH, EXPONENTIALLY MORE, WE TRY TO REUSE THOSE, UM, UNTIL THEY'RE END OF LIFE. 
          UH, BUT LIGHTING EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS CONSTANTLY ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE REUSED AND A LOT OF TIMES, UH, THEY CANNOT. 
          SO IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF LIGHTING, UH, HOW IT WAS USED, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO SOME OF IT IS LIKE, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT PRICING IS GONNA COME OUT TO BE LIKE ON SOME OF THESE. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, LEEWAY IN SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT IT'S GONNA BE 86 GRAND NECESSARILY FOR A TAHOE. 
          IT COULD END UP BEING 82. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS WHEN THAT GOVERNMENT PRICING IS RELEASED FOR US. 
          AND THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH MONEY WITHIN THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THOSE 10 VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER LINE ITEM SOMEWHERE FOR THE EQUIPMENT TO GET 'EM FULLY FUNCTIONAL. 
          NO. 
          UH, OTHER THAN RADIO SYSTEMS. NOW, UH, WHEN WE UPGRADE RADIO SYSTEMS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'LL COME OUT OF A LEATHER LINE, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS LARGER PROJECT OR CAMERA SYSTEMS. THEY COME OUT OF A LARGER, YOU KNOW, PROJECT OR A LARGER CONTRACT, BUT LIKE RADARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR VEHICLE SPECIFIC, THEY'LL, THOSE COME OUT OF JUST WHEN WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO PURCHASE THOSE OR WHEN THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          ALL, THAT'S ALL THAT IS KIND OF FLEXIBLE BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS KIND OF, WE HAVE ALLOCATED TO BUY CARS AND OUTFIT CARS, HOW MUCH THEY END UP BEING THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, UH, HOW MUCH THE EQUIPMENT AND INSTALLATION ENDS UP BEING KIND OF DICTATES WHAT WE HAVE TO REUSE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN PURCHASE NEW AND REPLACE WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT HAS EQUIPMENT COSTS TO OUTFIT OUR NEW CARS. 
          NO, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME LINE ITEM. 
          SO IT'S ALL PART, PART OF THE CAR. 
          WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE IN PREVIOUS CAPACITY, AND LAUREN, IT WAS SPLIT OUT THIS ONE, IT'S ALL IN, IN ONE LINE ITEM. 
          WELL, IT WAS 
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SPLIT OUT BECAUSE I LIKE TO ANNOY LISA. 
          IT WAS SPLIT OUT BECAUSE WE BOUGHT CARS UNDER A BUDGET, BUT WE WOULDN'T ABLE TO OUTFIT THEM. 
          SO WE HAD TO MOVE THE OUTFITTING TO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO POTENTIALLY DO THAT, I'M NOT SAYING WE WERE, LISA, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AND BUY THE CARS, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OUTFIT 'EM SO THAT MONEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SEPARATED AND THEN MOVED INTO THE NEXT BUDGET. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY WERE SEPARATED IN THE, IN THE LAST BUDGET. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO OUTFIT CARS. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M PREEMPTING LAUREN'S QUESTION. 
          I I WAS JUST COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID IT ISN'T EVERYTHING, IT IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER NOW. 
          OH, IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING CAN I OUTFIT 10 CARS WITH WHAT I, WE'VE ALLOCATED YES, I CAN MAKE THAT WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE GOT $860,000 FOR CARS HERE. 
          AM I GONNA SEE ANOTHER LINE ITEM FOR $150,000 FOR RADIOS AND ALL THIS KIND OF JAZZ? NO, SIR. 
          I, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YES, THAT WILL, THAT WILL OUTFIT 10 CARS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND HOW MANY TOTAL CARS DO WE HAVE? UH, 70, I BELIEVE. 
          75 RIGHT THEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET TO THE 10 A YEAR. 
          THEY'RE GONNA LAST ABOUT SEVEN YEARS OR JUST KEEP ROLLING THROUGH 'EM? YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY WON'T LAST THAT LONG, BUT 10 YEARS, UH, 10 A YEAR RIGHT NOW IS JUST TRYING TO, OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS OR SO SHOULD WHAT I SAY RIGHT SIZE IT WITH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH MILEAGE. 
          UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB MANAGING THOSE THAT END UP HIGHER MILEAGE THAN WE WANT. 
          SO I THINK OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN EXPECT. 
          I'M NOT SURE ONE WITH GROWTH AND WITH STAFFING, IF IT'S GONNA STAY AT 10, AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE LESS AT YEAR FOUR THAN 10. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO 10 TO GET THE FLEET IN THE POSITION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN. 
          AND, AND THE, THE, THERE WERE CARS BUDGETED THAT WERE NEVER PURCHASED AND PROCURED IN THE PAST. 
          SO WE ARE CATCHING UP TO SOME COVID ISSUES, SOME SUPPLY ISSUES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS TO TRY TO GET THE, THE FLEET MANAGED. 
          SO IN THE PAST, THERE WERE CARS THAT WE JUST NEVER GOT OUR HANDS ON. 
          THAT WAS BEFORE THE THREE OF US AND THE FIVE OF US GOT ON ONTO COURT. 
          IT HAS, HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES. 
          WELL, WE, AND WASN'T THERE SOME GRANTS A GRANT THAT, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TOO? I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          WELL, WE GOT A GRANT FOR A VERY BIG VEHICLE THAT IS NOT A DUTY VEHICLE. 
          THAT'S A BIG SWAT TEAM  VEHICLE, A $300,000 VEHICLE. 
          UM, NOW WHAT WE DID DO THOUGH IS, UH, DO SOME MID BUDGET PURCHASING AND, AND THAT SEEMS TO HELP A LOT. 
          'CAUSE COME OCTOBER ONE, EVERYBODY'S GOT MONEY AND THERE ARE NO CARS TO BE FOUND. 
          UH, SO WE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO MOVE SOME FUNDS AND DO A MID-YEAR PREEMPTION PURCHASE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK MAYBE WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          A, A RESTROOM BREAK. 
          SO, UH, I'M GONNA CALL AT 10 30. 
          WE ARE IN RECESS. 
          ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR WORKSHOP MEETING. 
          IT'S 10 39. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE A RESTROOM BREAK. 
          WE'VE MADE IT THROUGH ONE AND A HALF PAGES OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET , AND WE ARE NOW TO THE TABS. 
          THE AUDITOR IS LAUGHING BECAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S SHE AND I THAT ARE . 
          AND I JUST SAID TO YOU THIS MORNING, I WAS LIKE, WONDER IF THIS WILL GO FASTER THIS WAY. 
          WELL,  NO. 
          ABOUT THE SAME. 
          ABOUT THE SAME. 
          ALL RIGHT, SHERIFF, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          IF YOU GO TO TAB, UH, I GUESS WE'LL START IN TAB TWO FOR SOME OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS. 
          AND MOST OF THESE WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT FIRST, UH, THE FIRST PAGE ON TAB TWO IS FOR THE STEP PAY STEP PROGRAM, THE INCREASES. 
          SO THE JUSTIFICATION THERE IS AGAIN, UM, TO BE COMPETITIVE. 
          AND I THINK YOU AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THE SENATE BILL 22 MONEY, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          PUTTING, PUTTING THE BURDEN BACK WHERE NEEDS TO BE ON THIS AND USING THAT, UH, AS WE, AS WE NEED TO, WHETHER IT'S FOR EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU AND I SHARE THE FEAR THAT THAT MONEY WILL GO AWAY AT SOME POINT AND THEN, UH, IF WE'VE NOT MOVED OVER IN OUR FUNDING THE PAY COMPLETELY WITHOUT SB 22, WE'LL WE'LL BE IN TROUBLE ONE BUDGET YEAR. 
          SO, BUT IS THIS DOING THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE, WELL, 
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LET'S GO. 
          I, I THINK WE WOULD RATHER NOT INSERT THE SENATE BILL 22 MONEY INTO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S JUST THIS IS WHAT THE STEP PROGRAM IS. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          YOU, YOU SAID THIS IS ANOTHER $284,286, BUT THIS IS JUST CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, RIGHT? IT'S, YES. 
          THE STEP THAT THIS, THIS PROGRAM WAS ADOPTED, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, SOMETIME IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS YEAR AGO, JUST WHAT IT COST TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE PROGRAM NO. 
          ON THAT PAGE? NO. 
          THE PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM, UH, MANAGEMENT AND THE STIPULATIONS ARE THE SAME. 
          AND IT'S BASICALLY, UH, LIKE WE GO BACK TO IN TALKING ABOUT HOW OTHER AGENCIES AND OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS DO THEIR, THEIR STEP PLANS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENTRY LEVEL AND WHAT THEY MAKE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT YOU DEALT WITH WHEN YOU WERE IN, IN HERE. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE A PROJECTED, UH, ESTIMATED IMPACT. 
          AND, AND I WILL SAY YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY GOOD AT, AT JUDGING IMPACTS WITHOUT THE LOAD, UH, ESTIMATED IMPACT, $284,286 KAMI, CAN WE GET THE LOAD ON, ON, DO, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO GET US THE LOAD? BECAUSE I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT WE'D HAVE TO BUDGET DUE TO THE STEP INCREASE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DO HAVE, ERICA AND I ARE TALKING OVER HERE. 
          , I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I THINK WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA FACTOR IN SB $22 INTO THEIR SALARY ANYMORE, UM, THEN THAT'S AN EXTRA 500 GRAND. 
          SO WE, WE ARE GOING TO FACTOR IT IN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT FACTORED INTO SALARIES. 
          I'D RATHER HAVE IT FACTORED INTO PURCHASING, UH, UM, MATERIALS OR PURCHASING THINGS. 
          WHAT EQUIPMENT? YEAH. 
          SO IT'S THAT WAY. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN SALARIES. 
          SO I MEAN, THE 500,000 IS THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S IN SALARY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU PUSH IT OVER TO PURCHASE VEHICLES OR WHATEVER. 
          AND WE, WE DID DO THE, I THINK, SMART ACCOUNTING THING AND MADE IT ITS OWN LINE ITEM. 
          BUT NO, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, I MEAN, THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED TO PURCHASE THAT WE CAN U USE THAT WHEREVER IT'S, IT'S TAKING IT FROM ONE AND MOVING IT TO THE OTHER. 
          BUT THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER IS GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          BUT I, I JUST, I, I DON'T WANT US TO GET IN TROUBLE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHEN SB 22 GOES AWAY AND WE'VE BEEN COUNTING ON $500,000 TO PAY SALARIES AND, AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUDGET TO COVER SALARIES. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UH, I'M OKAY SAYING, CALL IT SUPPLANTING. 
          SUPPLANTED. 
          DID, DID YOU MAKE THAT WORD UP? NO. 
          SUPPLANTING. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE'LL DO THIS, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS OTHER AWAY THAT THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT UP. 
          GOT IT. 
          IF WE, BUT IF WE DO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, IT CAN BE USED FOR EQUIPMENT AND OR SALARIES. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT, THAT WAS THE, ON THE RULES OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. 
          SO THE SB 22 GRANT IS, IS ARE WE, WE PUT IT IN ITS OWN FUND, WHICH IS FUND 41, MA'AM. 
          SO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RECEIVES 500,000 AND THE COUNTY SUPPORTS IT AS WELL WITH 300,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO WE REALLY TO BRING SALARIES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS MORE OF AN IMPACT OF 800. 
          IS IT THE COURTS OR THE DA THAT GETS NO, WE, WE SHE IS EXACTLY CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PLUS THE 2 84. 
          SO, SO IF YOU BRING IT ALL BACK, IT WOULD BE JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO, TO COVER THAT. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO, WELL, THE COVER SALARIES WITH IT, THE, UH, NO. 
          SO THE SALARIES, UH, THAT WE PAY OUT OF SB 22 EQUAL $803,000 FOR JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          THE 500 OF IT COMES FROM THE GRANT ITSELF, AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS IT WITH 300,000. 
          AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ANOTHER TWO 80, AN INCREASE, 2 84. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO ALL OF THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO STOP USING SB 22 FOR SALARIES, ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES, GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO REALLY THE 300,000 WASHES OUT, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY SUPPORTING IT WITH THE GENERAL FUND. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE BACK AT 800,000 THEN PLUS OUR, BUT, BUT WE'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS IF WE, WE DON'T GET SB 22 AGAIN. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, THAT, 
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THAT'S MY FEAR. 
          IS, IS, BUT YOU COULD IS THAT IT GOES AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEN THEY COULD USE THE SB 22 CORRECT. 
          SHERIFF FOR THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE NEEDING. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I'M SORRY, I, I'M, I'M, I'M UP TO SPEED NOW. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THE COURT RECEIVED 300,000. 
          THE COURT PAID, THE COUNTY PAID 300,000. 
          WE DIDN'T RECEIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS THINKING HOW, HOW DID I MISS  THAT WE GOT, WE GOT A GRANT. 
          SO THE 300,000 IS GENERAL FUND. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, I'M WITH YOU NOW. 
          I'M WITH YOU NOW. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD JUST REMAIN EVEN BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T YEAH. 
          YOU WERE ALREADY PAYING 300,000 NOW. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO NOW ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE, WE ARE ALLOCATING ANOTHER 2 84 PLUS WHATEVER THE LOAD IS THAT CAMMIE'S GONNA GET ME. 
          AND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT NUMBER NOW, JUST AT SOME POINT. 
          YEAH, I, I'M, UH, COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO EVEN ASK. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST AT, AT SOME POINT, WHENEVER YOU DO GET IT, IF YOU WOULD SEND IT TO, TO, TO THE ENTIRE COURT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN? WHAT? HOLD ON. 
          OH, LOOK AT THERE. 
          ERICA KNICKERBOCKER TO THE RESCUE, BASED ON OUR $284,000 INCREASE OR TO THE STEP, YOUR LOAD'S LOOKING AT ABOUT 342,000 LIKE THAT, THAT'S LOADED. 
          SO TOTAL, TOTAL LOAD IS 3 40, 3 42. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          40 2K. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON. 
          OKAY, THE NEXT, UM, NEXT PAGE, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY DISPATCHING FOR, UH, ALL BUT TWO AGENCIES IN, IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND SO ELEVATING THE POSITION OF, UH, ONE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISORS TO A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER AS WE, UH, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DISPATCHERS THAT WE CURRENTLY NEED TO, TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. 
          AND THEN THAT ROLLS INTO THE NEXT, UH, REQUEST IS FOR THE, UH, WE WOULD BACKFILL THAT DISPATCH SUPERVISOR POSITION. 
          SO, UH, COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER WILL BE ONE TO OVERSEE THE ENTIRE COMMUNICATION CENTER. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD STILL BE TWO SUPERVISORS IN ADDITION TO THAT. 
          NOT, NOT ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES. 
          THERE WOULD STILL BE TWO SUPERVISOR POSITIONS. 
          UH, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAD WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS, UH, SHERIFF. 
          UM, IT SAYS THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A TITLE CHANGE, IT'S A SHIFT IN CAPABILITIES. 
          ARE WE ACTUALLY ADDING A NEW POSITION OR JUST IN GIVING? SO THE COMMUNICATION MANAGER WOULD BE A NEW TITLE, A NEW POSITION. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD COME FROM MORE THAN LIKELY THROUGH ONE OF THOSE TWO SUPERVISORS. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS, RIGHT. 
          IN THE DISPATCH CENTER. 
          AND SO ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE ELEVATED TO THE MANAGER. 
          WE WOULD THEN FILL THAT OTHER WITH, UH, THE CURRENT ONE, ONE OF THE CURRENT ONES WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND THEN, SORRY. 
          WELL, WE, AND THEN WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, BECAUSE OF GETTING UP TO FULL STAFF WITH ADDING FATE ON THREE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION OFFICER, RIGHT. 
          THAT COMES LATER. 
          BUT IT SAYS AT THE BEGINNING IT SAYS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS REQUESTING TO RECLASSIFY AN EXISTING COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, WHICH CREATIVE MANAGER AT A NET COST OF 97 70. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING TO HIRE SOMEBODY, IT'S REALLY NOT 97 70, IT'S A FULL PERSON. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ELEVATING A POSITION, UH, ONE OF OUR SUPERVISORS PROBABLY TO THAT POSITION. 
          AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BACKFILL OUT OF OUR CURRENT DISPATCH POSITION PER POSITION FOR SUPERVISOR. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          NOT ACTUALLY CREATING A BRAND NEW EMPLOYEE. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE CREATION. 
          I'M REALLY CONFUSED. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE THIS PERSON TO BE A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER AND SHE GETS A RAISE OF 97 70, I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS, BUT, SO YOU, YOU SAY THE NET COST IS 97 70, BUT THEN YOU'RE HAVING TO BACKFILL HER POSITION. 
          HAVEN'T WE REALLY CREATED A NEW POSITION AND THE NET COST IS A FULL EMPLOYEE'S COST. 
          SO, SO NO, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING A DISPATCH, UH, BASELINE DISPATCHER POSITION, AND WE'RE MAKING THAT BASICALLY WANTING TO TRANSITION THAT TO THE MANAGER'S POSITION, UH, AND MOVE THOSE JOB RESPONSIBILITIES TO THAT. 
          AND THAT COMES AT A COST OF 17 9, 9 7 THAT YOU PUT IN THE BUDGET. 
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ISN'T THAT FOR, FOR THE UPGRADE? YES. 
          OF THE UPGRADE? YEAH. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE'S THE 17? I DUNNO. 
          THAT'S AT THAT THE 9 97, 70 13. 
          SO, UH, LET, LET, LET TAKE A STAB AT THIS. 
          THEY ARE CREATING A POSITION TO PROMOTE A PERSON INTO, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED A MANAGER WHEN WE HIRE THREE NEW DISPATCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT NET COST IS NOT 97.7 FOR, FOR THE ONE PERSON BEING PROMOTED FROM COMMUNI, UH, FROM DISPATCH TO COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, THE NET INCREASE WOULD BE 9,700. 
          WELL, FOR THAT PERSON. 
          BUT YOU'RE REPLACING THAT PERSON THAT, THAT, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE'S COST. 
          SO THE REAL NET COST IS WHATEVER IT COSTS TO HIRE A COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER MANAGER, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          IF WE'RE BACK FILLING THE POSITION. 
          YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO IT'S NOT 97 70, IT'S WHATEVER YOU'RE PAYING A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. 
          WE'RE WE'RE NOT HAVING A NEW BODY TO THE MIX. 
          SO THERE'S NO NEW FTE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE GETTING MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          THERE'S THE, THE THREE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WOULD BE THE THREE FTES. 
          ONE OF THOSE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING ONE OF THE CURRENT SUPERVISORS UP AND ANOTHER CURRENT SUPERVISOR INTO THAT SUPERVISOR POSITION. 
          SO WHEN WE GO TO THREE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS AND YOU'RE, UH, I THOUGHT THESE WERE SEPARATE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $229,242 THERE, THAT'S REALLY THE PERSON INCLUDES THE PERSON YOU'RE REPLACING HERE. 
          EVEN IF WE DID NOT GET THOSE THREE, WE WOULD STILL BE ASKING FOR THIS POSITION. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          IT'S NOT 97 70, IT'S THE COST OF A NEW PERSON OF WHATEVER THIS JOB IS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          SO, SO YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DEDUCT THEIR EXISTING NOT, OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT, LEMME TRY TO TAKE A STAB AT IT. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, FIRE AWAY COMMISSIONER. 
          WOW. 
          THAT'S SOME FEEDBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING A CURRENT POSITION OF, UM, COMMUNITY COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER AND WE LIKE TO MOVE THEM TO COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. 
          THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER CURRENT POSITION AND MOVE THEM INTO THAT VACATED POSITION OF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER FROM SAY THEY'RE IN A NORMAL DISPATCH POSITION OR WHATEVER THEY'RE AT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE NOT HIRING SOMEONE TO GO INTO THAT LAST VACATED ROLE. 
          WE'RE NOT, SO THE REAL NET IMPACT HERE IS THE 9,700. 
          SO WE'RE ELIMINATING, WE'RE ELIMINATING AND THE RAISE FOR THE PERSON THAT MOVED INTO THE SUPERVISOR, RIGHT. 
          WHATEVER THAT IS ELIMINATING THE DISPATCH OFFICER POSITION. 
          WE'RE ELIMINATING ONE FTE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING 'CAUSE WE SAW THE SAME FULL-TIME COUNT. 
          WELL, NO, BUT YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT FILLING IT. 
          WE ARE CREATING A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER POSITION THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE CREATING A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER POSITION. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER IS GOING TO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A NEW POSITION. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S THE $9,700. 
          AND THEN WE'RE BACK FILLING THE OFFICER POSITION WITH THE DISPATCH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHATEVER THAT COST IS. 
          SO, SO FAR WE'RE NET 97 7 AND WE'RE NOT FILLING THAT DISPATCH VACATED DISPATCH LAST . 
          SO WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT POSITION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT, YES, WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT ONE, BUT WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING A FULL-TIME POSITION BECAUSE WE CREATED THAT ONE COUNT REMAINS THE SAME. 
          FORCE COUNT'S STILL THE SAME, NO HEAD COUNTS. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THE, THERE, THERE'S A DISPATCHER AND A, THERE'S THREE LEVELS WE'RE GOING TO, RIGHT? WE'RE CREATING THE THIRD LEVEL, SECOND LEVEL. 
          WE'RE BACKFILLING FIRST LEVEL. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TOLD LATER THAT REALLY WE NEED A PERSON AS A DISPATCHER THAT WE DIDN'T FILL. 
          WELL, THAT'D BE A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK. 
          BUT CURRENTLY NO, THEY'RE NOT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT, THAT YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          ESSENTIALLY. 
          BUT, SO WE'RE NOT CREATING ANOTHER FULL TIME. 
          IF WE ELIMINATE THAT DISPATCH OFFICER, THEN I AGREE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THIS 97, 70 PLUS WHAT JOHN MENTIONED. 
          BUT IF WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE DISPATCH OFFICER, IT'S MORE THAN 97 70. 
          RIGHT? GO AHEAD. 
          BUT THEY'VE ALSO ASKED FOR, SO THE WAY THIS WAS WRITTEN WAS TO TIER THIS WHOLE SITUATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH COMMUNICATIONS. 
          WE ARE IN A SITUATION WITH THE NEW RULES THAT WE'RE, UH, GONNA FALL UNDER WITH THE, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FOR THE STATE TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE FROM MOVING FROM A RURAL COUNTY TO AN URBAN COUNTY. 
          THE, THE, THE, UM, THE COMPLIANCE CHECKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY DO ARE, THEY'RE ALL CHANGING. 
          SO ANYWAY, WE NEED THIS MANAGER POSITION TO 
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OVERSEE ALL OF THIS, MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS. 
          SO WE TIER, KIND OF TIER STEP THIS THING IN HERE BECAUSE WE NEED THIS. 
          SO EVEN IF WE GET NONE OF THE OTHER POSITIONS WE ASK FOR, WE STILL NEED TO TRANSITION THIS POSITION TO THAT MANAGER POSITION. 
          SO WE DID THIS, THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS, THIS WAY. 
          AND THAT'S, I THINK HOW I MADE IT PROBABLY MORE CONFUSING THAN IT NEEDED TO BE. 
          BUT, BUT SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS, THIS ONE NEEDED TO BE DONE. 
          SO WE, THE WAY I WROTE IT WAS TO BASICALLY GIVE UP A BASELINE POSITION AND MOVE IT TO AN UPPER POSITION IN CASE NONE OF THE OTHER REQUESTS HAPPENED. 
          THIS WOULD STILL BE A POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD HAPPEN. 
          AND THEN THE REQUESTS THAT COME ON THE BACK END OF THAT ARE, ARE, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT OF THIS. 
          THESE ARE ALL KIND OF A TIER STEPPING INTO THIS WHOLE SITUATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ACCOMPLISH WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND GETTING IT WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE. 
          AND AND PAGE 10 OF MY PACKET SHOWS THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BUDGETARY IMPACT FOR WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED IS $104,286, IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY, FOR YOUR, UM, COMMUNICATION SECTION FOR THE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNICATION SUPERVISORS, IF THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT. 
          AND THEN YOU SHOW YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT, FOR THAT STEP PROGRAM YOU JUST DESCRIBED AS WELL. 
          UH, CORRECT. 
          FROM, FROM THE, UH, CONTRACTS THAT WE ARE IN. 
          ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE IN WITH, WITH FATE AND RO CITY? YES. 
          SO, AND NOT TO MUDDY THE WATERS ANYMORE. 
          MOVING THE PERSON UP IS NOT COVERED IN THIS BUDGETARY IMPACT OF 104,286 THAT IS PAYING FOR, SO LAST YEAR, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON ON BOARD, WE BUDGETED THE HEADCOUNT OF THREE DISPATCHERS. 
          WE DID NOT FUND THREE ADDITIONAL DISPATCHERS. 
          WE BUDGETED THE HEADCOUNT SO WE COULD START TO GET PREPARED FOR US TAKING THE CITY OF FATE ON. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THAT HEAD COUNT. 
          THIS WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW US NOW TO FILL, FILL THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO WHAT NUMBER DID YOU JUST QUOTE? HUNDRED 404,286. 
          THAT'S THE WRONG ONE THERE. 
          THAT'S THE WRONG ONE THERE. 
          JUDGE, IF YOU'LL MOVE BACK TO YOUR LEFT, A COUPLE OF PAGES BACK TO YOUR LEFT REQUEST FOR THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ONE FOR HUNDRED 4,000. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE DISPATCHERS. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY 55,640 TIMES THREE IS A NUMBER THAT SOMEBODY ELSE SHOULD BE FIGURING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO $170,000. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE 104 IS, UH, A 13.5% INCREASE AND A 12 AND HALF OR 12.8% INCREASE FOR THE SUPERVISORS. 
          OKAY. 
          13 POINT HALF. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I WENT ONE PAGE. 
          TOO MANY 170,000 IS WHAT GETS US THE THREE DISPATCHERS. 
          104,286 IS, UH, LOOKS LIKE A 13 AND A HALF AND 12.8% INCREASE FOR, IS IT 170,000 EACH THOUGH? NO, NO, NO. 
          IT'S, IT'S $55,640 TIMES THREE. 
          THREE DISPATCHERS LOADED. 
          IMPACT'S GONNA BE ABOUT TWO $83,000. 
          SAY, SAY IT AGAIN. 
          ERICA. 
          THREE DISPATCHERS LOADED IS 2 83. 
          2 83 80 3000, ROUGHLY 45. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS NOW? YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IN 170 THAT'S COVERED BY FATE AND ROYCE CITY OR, CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IS THAT ALREADY IN PLACE? LOCKED AND LOADED AGREEMENT SIGNED. 
          ONE 70. 
          IT'S 170 EACH. 
          I, I'M, I'M, THIS, THIS IS A GOOD EVIDENCE OF ONE REASON I'M DOING THIS UPFRONT SO THE COMMISSIONERS CAN BE INVOLVED IN IT. 
          I'VE REACHED AGREEMENTS WITH BOTH OF THEM AND, AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, A STIPULATION. 
          ROY CITY TOOK A PRICE INCREASE JUST TO GET THEM UP WITH FATE IN THEIR AGREEMENT. 
          UM, AND IF THE QUESTION IS, DO I HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT? I'M SURE WE HAVE AN MOU SIGNED SOMEWHERE, UM, THAT, THAT AGREES TO IT, THAT I COULD PUT MY HANDS ON. 
          BUT WE DID GO INTO A STEP, I I TOOK IT EASY ON 'EM THE FIRST YEAR TO ALLOW THEM TO 
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CROSS OVER AND BUY SOME SOFTWARE AND THEN AN INCREASE THE SECOND YEAR AND IT INCREASE THE THIRD YEAR. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO DIG THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME THAT I DID THAT. 
          WELL, AND THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS TODAY. 
          WE'RE JUST TALKING NO, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS FOR SURE. 
          THAT IS. 
          BUT, UM, BUT OKAY, SO IT SAYS THEY'LL H CONTRIBUTE 170,000 BUCKS, BUT WE'RE HIRING THREE TOTAL PEOPLE FOR 2 29. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT SURE I'M READING THIS RIGHT, BUT DID WE JUST MAKE $110,000? WELL, NOT NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT OUT LIVE ON THE RECORD. 
          WE DIDN'T YEAH, NO. 
          WE, WE, THERE THERE ARE TRULY MORE COSTS IN THIS. 
          SO WE WE ARE COVERED. 
          WE ARE COVERED. 
          I, I, I PULLED TO DONALD TRUMP AND I NEGOTIATED SOME DEALS FOR US. 
          WELL, I'M JUST, SO AGAIN, WHICH IS BETTER, BETTER FOR THE CITIES AND, AND BETTER FOR US. 
          IT'S EASY TO RE FOR ME TO THINK, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER IF THERE'S REALLY ONLY 97 70 IN COST AND WE GET A MANAGER. 
          BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. 
          YEP. 
          LET, LET ME PULL UP THAT. 
          UH, SO I THINK THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS A TOTAL FOR EACH OF THOSE AGENCIES OF FIVE DISPATCHERS TO MAN THAT STATION FOR 24 HOURS. 
          THE, WE, THE STARTING YEAR, WHICH WAS THIS YEAR, WAS FUNDING BASICALLY FOR THREE PER STATION FOR EACH OF THOSE. 
          SO THERE'S ALREADY THREE DISPATCHERS ASSIGNED TO EACH OF THOSE AGENCIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO FOUR WHEN YOU'RE ADDING YOUR TIER, STEPPING TO FIVE PER AGENCY IS WHAT THE, THE CONCEPT WAS. 
          SO WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE. 
          SO AT, AT WHATEVER THE COST IS THEY'RE PAYING CURRENTLY THAT'S FOR THREE DISPATCHERS. 
          AND IT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS WORKS? 'CAUSE I WAS READING THIS AND I THOUGHT, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE ACTIVE CONSOLES WITH 12 COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS. 
          SO AS I READ THAT, THAT'S FOUR PER CONSOLE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR, FOR 12 HOUR SHIFTS YES. 
          DAYS OFF. 
          ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          WE CURRENTLY RUN ABOUT, UH, WE'RE STILL ONE PERSON SHORT WITH THREE IN TRAINING. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY ARE RUNNING, UH, TWO CONSOLES RIGHT NOW, 24 7. 
          UH, A THIRD COMES ON AT TIMES WE HAVE THE THIRD ACTIVE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF TIME, THERE'S ONLY TWO CONSOLES ACTIVELY RUNNING WHEN THEY'RE FULLY STAFFED. 
          WHEN, SO AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, IF WE CONTINUE TO HAVE FIVE PER AGENCY, THEN ALL THREE CONSULTS WILL BE RUNNING 24 7. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING IT TAKES FIVE PEOPLE TO MAN MAINTAIN ONE CONSOLE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WILL GET THE AGREEMENTS WE HAVE WITH FATE AND ROY CITY, UM, TO THE COURT. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? I, ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON, SHERIFF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY THE, THE, THE OTHER THREE. 
          YOU WANNA MOVE PAST THAT OR IS THAT NO, LET, LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THREE. 
          I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO THE THREE WOULD, WOULD HELP US GET UP TO THAT, THAT FIVE PER CONSOLE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE ADDITIONAL AND, AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BE AWARE THAT THAT IS FOR TOTAL PUBLIC SAFETY IS FOR POLICE AND FIRE. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT GOT IT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PLANNED ON. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, THE NEXT PAGE IS THE, UH, SALARY ADJUSTMENTS FOR COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THE, THE, UH, PAGE FOLLOWING THAT. 
          UH, SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY GETTING THE COMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL ON, UH, A STEP PLAN SIMILAR TO THE OUTLINE OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DEPUTIES. 
          SO WE KNOW KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. 
          IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE THAT, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE COMPARISON FOR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE OTHER, OTHER, UH, CITY OTHER DISPATCH CENTERS IN THE, IN. 
          SO I, I'VE GOT AN EMAIL BETWEEN STEPHANIE BURTS AND KEVIN BROWN ON, ON MY NEXT PAGE. 
          THAT'S THE, WHERE THEY CLOSED THE DPS. 
          SO DPS, UH, THEY'RE HAVING STAFFING ISSUES. 
          SO THEY'RE, UH, I KNOW, UH, CHASE, WE HAD, UH, SATURDAY NIGHT WITH THEM. 
          UH, THEY HAD TO COMMUNICATE 'CAUSE THEIR COMMUNICATION CENTER WAS CLOSED. 
          THEY HAD TO COMMUNICATE BY CELL PHONE. 
          OH, 
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WOW. 
          IT WAS A TOLLWAY TROOPER. 
          UH, AND OF COURSE THEY GOT IN CONTACT WITH US, BUT THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH THAT HAD TO BE DONE BY CELL PHONE BECAUSE DPS, UH, COMMUNICATION CENTER, UH, THEIR, THEIR CLOSING DURING CERTAIN HOURS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO TALK WITH THE HIGHWAY PATROL IN OUR, IN OUR COUNTY, BUT THAT DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ALL, ALL THE SAME FREQUENCIES AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, SYSTEMS. THERE'S ISSUES THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S TALKING ABOUT IN MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S JUST THERE TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, UM, AN EXISTING, THE IMPORTANCE TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL CALLS COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSED AS PART OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE REASON THAT THEY CAN'T GET DISPATCHERS IS BECAUSE OF THEIR PAY CURRENTLY, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HAVING TO CLOSE THAT CENTER DOWN. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF A, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING ON WITH THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          ARE ARE, ARE WE GONNA PICK UP SOME OF THEM ? I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS A SILVER LINING THERE. 
          WE MIGHT, 'CAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE MOVED TO, UH, MINERAL WELLS WAY, UH, YEAH, SOMEWHERE FAR OUT EAST. 
          SO THIS MINERAL WELLS. 
          YEAH. 
          HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT REQUEST IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, UH, WAS IN THE BUDGET SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          AND, UH, WE, WE DID KIND OF A, UH, AGREEMENT, UH, TO GET, UH, SOMETHING ELSE FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE JUST STRICTLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          CAMMY, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THIS POSITION? IT'S A GRADE SIX FULLY LOADED. 
          IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN OTHER POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATIVE, YES. 
          . 
          UM, THAT'S, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SCALE, LAW ENFORCEMENT FOUR, WHICH THEIR SCALES ARE HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTY, UM, AS ADMIN PERSONNEL. 
          AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE MARKET. 
          SO IT'S JUST A, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN A, A CLERK, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY COMPARATIVE TO A CHIEF ASSISTANT, LIKE A NUMBER TWO POSITION IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THE NEXT, WE HAD TALKED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY ON THE OVERTIME ADJUSTMENT THERE, UH, THE FOLLOWING PAGE KIND OF EXPLAINED SOME OF THAT AS FAR AS LATE CALLS. 
          UH, ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, UH, OUR, OUR AGREEMENT WITH DEA AND THEY'RE PICKING UP, UH, THEY REIMBURSE US FOR, UH, SOME OF, MOST OF THAT OVER TIME FOR OUR AGENT WHO IS ASSIGNED TO DEA. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE, CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT, LISA? ANY AT ALL? THAT THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO BACK INTO OUR LINE ITEM RIGHT. 
          REVENUE LINE? WE HAVE IT GOING INTO A REVENUE LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          PARDON? IT DOES GO INTO A REVENUE LINE. 
          IT DOES NOT GO BACK IN. 
          SO IT FINDS ITS WAY TO GENERAL FUND AND RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NEXT IS FOR A CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST. 
          UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD IN HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS. 
          UH, ARTICLE 67, TEXAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURES, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, AGENCIES, UH, IN COUNTIES OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND POPULATION, UH, REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN LOCAL DATABASES FOR CRIMINAL INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE GATHERING. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE, UH, IN, IN COORDINATING BASICALLY WITH OUR, UH, AND ANALYZING OUR INFORMATION WITH, NOT JUST WITHIN OUR AGENCY, BUT COORDINATING WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS WITH THE FUSION CENTERS, UH, IN COLLIN COUNTY AND DALLAS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS SIMILAR TO A DETECTIVE INVESTIGATOR THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THE STREET, BUT WOULD BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY IN IN HOUSE WORKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, COURT, THIS IS ONE THAT HAS DIRECT IMPLICATION TO THE COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GOALS THAT HE HAS PUT IN THERE. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          UH, COURTHOUSE OPERATIONS DEPUTIES. 
          OH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, IS THAT REQUIRED TO 
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BE STAFFED BY A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER? NO, IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          DO YOU PLAN ON DOING IT WITH A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER ON WHAT WE PUT IN THERE? THE PAYS NOT CONSISTENT WITH AN OFFICER. 
          NO. 
          THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE THE GRADE 10. 
          SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A CONTROL PROOF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COURTHOUSE OPERATIONS, UH, REQUEST IS FOR FOUR FULL-TIME DEPUTIES. 
          UH, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ONE FOR, YOU WANT ONE FOR THIS BUILDING. 
          AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, ADDING ADDITIONAL SECURITIES FOR, UH, THE DIFFERENT FLOORS. 
          WE CONSTANTLY GET REQUESTS FROM THE JUDGES FOR EITHER TRANSPORTS, UH, ESPECIALLY OF JUVENILES, UH, AND OF EXTRA SECURITY IN AND AROUND THEIR COURTROOMS. UH, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          HOW MANY FULL-TIME DEPUTIES ARE AT THE COURTHOUSE NOW? FOUR. 
          FOUR AS I THOUGHT IT WAS FOUR, BUT I COULD BE WRONG, SERGEANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S FOUR. 
          AND A SERGEANT ASSIGNED TO COURTHOUSE SECURITY TWO OR ASSIGNED TO, TO ASSIST WITH JUVENILES. 
          AND THESE FOUR DO NOT INCLUDE THE NEXT REQUEST, WHICH IS SOMEBODY IN THIS COURTHOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IF I READ THIS RIGHT, WHAT IT'S, AND AGAIN, I'M DELVING INTO AREAS I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MISLEAD, IF I'M OFF WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          BUT IF I'M READING THIS, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THESE, UH, DEPUTY POSITIONS FOR EACH COURT KIND OF, RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE COURT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE FOR EACH COURT. 
          IS THAT KIND OF HOW IT'S GONNA WORK? 'CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THEY'RE ASSISTING THE BAILIFFS. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A BAILIFF DUTY, THIS IS A SECURITY DUTY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING REQUESTS, UH, FOR OUR, THE SECURITY DEPUTIES WHO ARE IN AND AROUND THE BUILDING AND WORKING THE SCANNERS DOWNSTAIRS TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE COURTROOMS FOR SECURITY. 
          AND SO THIS WOULD, UH, FULFILL THAT REQUEST. 
          ARE ARE BAILIFFS PEACE OFFICERS. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY TO ME, AND AGAIN, I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE OFF ON HOW YOU GUYS WOULD CLASSIFY IT, BUT TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO PEACE OFFICERS IN EACH COURT. 
          A BAILIFF AND THEN ONE OF THESE DEPUTIES. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THE BAILIFFS ARE DIRECTLY UNDER THE JUDGES AND OR THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICES. 
          AND, UH, THE, UH, CONSTITUTION STATES THAT THE SHERIFF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY, COURT SECURITY, NOT NECESSARILY THE BAILIFF DUTIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CARRYING THE COMMISSION FOR THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW OF BAILIFFS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS THE PROBLEM THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS FOR HELP FROM THE COURTS, IS THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE TAKING PEOPLE FROM DOWNSTAIRS OR THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING IN PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES OR NO. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT'S CAUGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A, I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG INCREASE. 
          FOUR NEW POSITIONS FOR JUST THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY. 
          THAT TO ME, THAT MEANS WE'RE NOW GONNA HAVE AT LEAST 13 PIECE OFFICERS DOING COURTHOUSE SECURITY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT WE, YOU, OUR, THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF COURT DOCKETS OR INCREASING, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR INCREASING AND ADDING THE TWO ADDITIONAL COURTS. 
          UM, SO, AND JUST LIKE TODAY, WITH MARK BEING UP HERE, THAT'S TAKING ONE FROM THE COURTS, RIGHT. 
          AND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEIR DOCKETS ARE THERE, THEY MAY BE, UH, RUN THIN. 
          AND YOU SAID TWO, TWO ARE DOING TRANSPORT JUST FOR JUVENILES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. 
          UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE ADDING IN THIS ONE CONCENTRATED AREA TO ME. 
          WHAT IS THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR THE SHERIFF TRANSPORTING JUVENILES? THAT IS CURRENTLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE JUVENILE PROBATION AS FAR AS ASSISTING THEM WITH THE TRANSPORTS. 
          IT'S WITH THE, UH, JUVENILE COURT IS WHERE THE AGREEMENT IS. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY YOUR INMATE 
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OR YOUR, SO JUST CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW YOU TRANSPORT A JUVENILE? CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, ONE OF THE PROBATION OFFICERS, UH, OR SUPPOSED TO BE WITH THAT DEPUTY, DEPUTY IS THE TRANSPORT OFFICER, TRANSPORTING. 
          SO JUVENILE PROBATION CAN'T TRANSPORT JUVENILE PROBATION. 
          CAN THEY HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DRIVING AND, AND WATCHING, UH, THE JUVENILE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? SO,  KINDA EXPAND ON WHAT THE SHERIFF TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICERS ARE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE A JUVENILE TO CUSTODY UNDER, UH, DIRECTIVE, THE SAME POLICE OFFICER. 
          SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, AND FULL AUTHORITY TO TRANSPORT TO AND FROM, UH, HEARINGS AND, UH, AS WELL AS TAKE THEM TO, TO FACILITY. 
          THEY, MY MY MEMORY MAY BE A LITTLE RUSTY ON THIS, BUT STATUTORILY, UH, THE JUVENILE BOARD MAKE TYPICALLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE, THE JUDGES, THE DISTRICT JUDGES. 
          AND I THINK  LAW JUDGES WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES THE TRANSPORTS. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK THERE IS A PROVISION OF THE STATUTE, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT, THAT THE COMMISSION COULD DENY IT, YOU KNOW, OR THEY'D HAVE TO AGREE TO, TO FORCE US TO, TO MAKE, UH, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN DONE. 
          I THINK IT'S NOW CURRENTLY AN AGREEMENT WITH SHERIFF OFFICE JUVENILE, UM, THAT WE ADHERED TO OVER THE YEARS. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS A PROVISION IN THERE AS FAR AS MANDATE WE PUT, I BELIEVE HE'S, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT, GREG. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT JUDGE, JUDGE WOOD, I'M ON THE BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUDGE WOODWARD, I KNOW, I THINK ON CERTAIN OCCASIONS MAYBE HAS HAD THAT AS PART OF A, UH, SOMETHING SHE'S ASKED FOR IN THE COURT, UM, COURTROOM. 
          I'VE NOT BEEN IN THAT COURTROOM, BUT I'VE HEARD HER TALK ABOUT THAT IN, IN OUR UPDATES. 
          BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING, IT PROBABLY COULD BE DISCUSSED OUTSIDE, UH, TO MAKE SURE, UH, CURRENTLY ON THE STATUTES AND WHAT, WHAT WE, WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AS FAR AS THAT. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSS OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT'S, UH, AND THE NEXT ITEM UNDER TAB TWO IS THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR, UH, THE INCENTIVE PAYS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO, OH, WAIT, WE, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS COURT'S YEP. 
          NEED YET. 
          UM, I, IN MY OPINION, I, I CAN SEE JUDGE THAT ACCORDING TO THE WRITEUP YOU'RE REQUESTING THIS, WE'RE FIXING TO MOVE THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE OUTTA HERE. 
          IF WE NEEDED SECURITY, I WOULD THINK THE TIME WE NEEDED HIM WHEN THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WAS HERE, WE'RE FIXING TO MOVE 'EM OUTTA HERE. 
          I, IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T NEED THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE DON'T, DON'T HAVE IT NOW AND HAVE OPERATED JUST FINE WITH THAT. 
          BUT, UH, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE MOVING AS WE APPEAR TO BE HEADING ALL, ALL OF THE, UH, WHAT I CALL EXECUTIVE DECISION MAKERS IN THE COUNTY HERE, AND, UH, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY HERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD AND NOT SAY ON, ON, ON, ON THE RECORD. 
          THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL , LET ME JUST LE LEAVE IT THERE. 
          SO THERE'S, UM, THIS COURTHOUSE IS NOT LAID OUT WITH SECURITY IN MIND. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, SOMEBODY FLOATED THE IDEA OF HAVING, UH, LIMITED ACCESS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, KEY CARDS THAT LED US IN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT AS WELL, BUT HAVING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN HERE KIND OF PREVENTS US FROM HAVING RESTRICTED ACCESS. 
          IT, IT HAS TO BE JUST OPEN PUBLIC ACCESS. 
          UH, BUT I'M, I'M CERTAINLY OKAY LE LEAVING THAT OFF. 
          'CAUSE I, I HAVE, UH, DRIVEN THE BUS ON THAT THE LAST FEW YEARS, ASKED FOR SOMEBODY HERE, UM, BUT, UM, IT, IT HADN'T MADE IT THROUGH YET. 
          SO THIS, THIS YEAR MAY, MAY BE NO DIFFERENT. 
          SO, , OKAY. 
          UH, YOU DID PUT IN HERE THAT MAYBE THERE COULD BE, IT COULD ASSIST IN PERIODIC PATROLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM THERE IF YOU WANT. 
          I THINK HAVING A VEHICLE PARKED OUT FRONT OF HERE ON GOLIAD  PAYS, PAYS SOME HIDDEN BENEFITS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN AS THEY DRIVE THROUGH HERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T, WOULD NEVER, UH, HAVE A POSITION WHERE WE COULD PARK AN ABANDONED CAR THERE AND ACHIEVE THE SAME, 
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THE SAME RESULT. 
          WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THIS BUILDING IS NOT LAID OUT FOR SECURITY. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I'VE SAID WHAT I'M GONNA SAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TAB TWO? OKAY, TAB THREE. 
          UH, THAT WOULD COVER THE, UH, DISCUSSION WE HAD EARLIER JUST ON THE INCREASE ON AIR CARDS. 
          TAB FOUR, THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          MAIN MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, YEAH. 
          FOR BODY-WORN CAMERAS. 
          IS THIS A NEW CONTRACT OR, OR NO, NO, THE CONTRACT'S ON NINE CONTRACT WILL BE ON NINE. 
          TAB NINE. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE, I I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          I, AND JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THIS IS FOR BODY CAMERAS YOU SAID, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND IT SAYS ON THE LAST PAGE, WELL, NO, IT'S NOT THE LAST PAGE, BUT ONE OF THE PAGES, IT SAYS, THIS IS FOR 130 UNITS. 
          DOES THAT MEAN 130 BODY CAMERAS? BECAUSE I, I THINK LATER ON IN THIS PACKAGE, WE TALK ABOUT SOMEWHERE THERE'S 55 BODY CAMERAS. 
          I, I JUST WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS ALL ABOUT. 
          OH, YES. 
          UM, I THINK THEY'RE CAR CAMERAS TOO. 
          THAT MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, ONE PLACE WE'RE TALKING 130 IN ONE PLACE, 55, AND I NOT DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 
          DOES EVERY CAR HAVE A, I THINK TWO IN AND OUT? SO I BELIEVE THE ONE 30 WAS REFERRING TO, UH, HOW MANY BODY CAMERAS WE WOULD, UH, HAVE ON HAND, UH, IF THE GEL REMAINED ON THE OLD SYSTEM WITH THE BODY CAMS USING IN THE GEL, AND WE WENT TO THE NEW SYSTEM. 
          UH, BUT WE WERE ONLY GOING TO LICENSE A PORTION OF THOSE. 
          WE WOULD JUST KEEP THE REST OF THOSE AS, UH, REPLACEMENTS IN CASE THEY HAD ISSUES WITH ANY BODY CAMERAS. 
          BUT, UM, THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS FOR 55 CAMERA SYSTEMS. RIGHT. 
          SO HOW DOES THIS, BUT THE CONTRACT, THE PRICE IS BASED ON A PER UNIT COST OF 1 95 TIMES 130 UNITS. 
          AND I, AGAIN, I'M TRYING, I'M NOT, NOT TRYING TO ATTACK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I'M TRYING TO CLEAR UP THE CONFUSION IN MY BRAIN. 
          ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS PAGE? I'M LOOKING AT THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE, TERRY. 
          PAGE 30. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, SO THIS WILL BE THE, ONE OF THE COSTS THAT WILL GO AWAY IN THE EVENT WE GO TO THE NEW SYSTEM. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM REQUIRES US TO PAY, UH, FOR LICENSING FEES FOR THOSE CAMERAS. 
          WE CURRENTLY CA HAVE LICENSING FEES FOR 130 CAMERAS TOTAL. 
          UM, SO IF THIS, IF WE DO NOT GO WITH THE NEW LEASE SYSTEM, THIS WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE WERE ALREADY PAYING THE PRE THIS YEAR, WHAT WE PAID THIS YEAR. 
          IT WILL JUST CONTINUE THE LICENSING FEES ON. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO IF, IF WE GO WITH WHAT'S OUTLINED IN TAB NINE, THE WATCHGUARD CAMERA SYSTEM, CORRECT. 
          THEN WHAT'S OUTLINED HERE AT, AND THIS PAGE IN ITEM FOUR, TAB FOUR IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE, AND WE DON'T SPEND THAT $25,350. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THERE'S A TOTAL OF, I BELIEVE ABOUT $51,000, UH, AT THE TOP IN THAT GREEN BOX OF ALL THE, THE, THOSE, UH, ITEMS IN RED THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO FUND AT THAT COST, BECAUSE THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE NEW CONTRACT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ON, ON THAT SAME PAGE, UM, IT'S GOT A, A NEGATIVE OF MONEY THAT WAS MOVED TO SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, 46,700, UH, UH, A NEGATIVE NUMBER. 
          THE, UH, THE LISTED IN GREEN, IS IT GREEN? WELL, I, I'M, WHICH, UH, WHICH, WHICH PRICE WERE YOU TALKING? SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE LINE ITEM. 
          IF NEW MOTOROLA 
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CONTRACT NOT APPROVED, CORRECT. 
          WE, WE'VE GOT A MONEY THAT WAS MOVED TO SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS NUMBER OF 46,700. 
          WHAT, WHEN IS THAT MONEY THAT WAS MOVED TO SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS? SO, UM, DURING THE YEAR, UM, IT, IT, AND LISA MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN ME, HONESTLY, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT, A LOT OF THE, UM, SOFTWARE, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS HAD TO BE, UH, RECLASSIFIED AS SOFTWARE AGREEMENTS. 
          AND I THINK THAT CAME WITH SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS THING THAT, UH, WE HAD BEEN PUTTING 'EM ALL IN MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          SO NOW WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THEM FOR SOFTWARE AGREEMENTS. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY'RE CHANGING THE STANDARDS RIGHT. 
          FOR, UH, J REPORTING OR WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          AND RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANNA INTERRUPT AND MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA SHOW UP HERE TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGETS TO US. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE TABS AND BINDERS TO, TO SOME PEOPLE, GIVE THEM TO EVERYONE, BE PREPARED FOR ALL OF US, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT, LIKE, SHE'S LOOKING AT A, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SOMEHOW THEY ALL HAVE TAB BINDERS. 
          I DON'T HAVE A TAB BINDER. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DON'T. 
          THEY DO. 
          SO I, I JUST WANT TO BE LIKE, IF SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE PREPARED THIS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND DISTRIBUTED IT, THIS SHOULDN'T BE A FREE FOR ALL OF US HAVING DIFFERENT INFORMATION TO LOOK AT. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LACK OF ORGANIZATION. 
          I LIKE THE CHAOS. 
          BOBBY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I DO NOT LIKE THE CHAOS. 
          IT'S DRIVING ME NUTS RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M OFF MY SOAPBOX. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE TABS? NO, I DO NOT. 
          NEITHER. 
          I, OKAY. 
          YEAH, I HAVE, WE, BUT IT'S NOT IN A, IT'S NOT IN A TAB. 
          WELL, WE, WE TURNED IN WHAT WAS REQUESTED THIS YEAR. 
          LIKE WE TYPICALLY HAVE, SO, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          THI THI THIS IS A, A A, A A DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. 
          DIFFERENT, YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK HE WAS CORRECT. 
          HE WAS SAYING FOR FUTURE PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I IRRITATED WITH THIS TOO. 
          SO, UH, ANY, MY ANSWER, THE 46,700 MONEY THAT WAS MOVED WAS, UH, UH, ESSENTIALLY AN ACCOUNTING, A RECLASSIFYING, SOMETHING FROM MAINTENANCE TO SOFTWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS TAB? WHAT TAB? MYSTERIOUS . 
          GIVE BOBBY A BOOK. 
          APPRECIATE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MO MO. 
          MOVING ON. 
          I'LL NEXT TAB. 
          I'LL GET THEM THE REST OF THOSE BOOKS. 
          HEY, WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH AT, AT, AT NOON, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE. 
          I HAVE, I AM TRAINABLE. 
          TALK ABOUT BODY, TALK ABOUT THE . 
          SO THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COURT IS HOW LONG ARE WE GONNA BREAK FOR LUNCH? OH, WELL, I, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A REASON FOR IT BECAUSE I DO HAVE OTHER FUNCTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO BALANCE A FEW THINGS TODAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO, AND BY THE WAY, THOSE ARE COUNTY FUNCTIONS RELATED TO OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, OUR GREAT BIG, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY. 
          HOW LONG WOULD YOU LIKE FOR LUNCH TO BE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS ASKING DISCUSSION. 
          I'M ASKING THE DISCUSSION NOW. 
          QUESTION NOW, SIR. 
          I JUST ASKED A QUESTION. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THERE'S A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. 
          THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THE GENTLEMAN PRESENTING, ESSENTIALLY. 
          UM, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE MOSTLY, IT CAN BE DONE IN FIVE MINUTES. 
          DOES THE GENTLEMAN THE QUESTIONS? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IT CAN BE. 
          YEP. 
          SO LET, LET'S, WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION AT 12. 
          HOW DOES THAT SOUND? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET, LET'S, LET'S KEEP MOVING. 
          UM, I, I LOST MY BOOK, . 
          YEP. 
          YOU, YOU ARE, YOU ARE WITHOUT A BOOK AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT REGARDING THE CAMERAS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THE BULK OF MINE IS WHERE WE WERE GOING, WHAT WE GOT HERE. 
          JUDGE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, ON, ON ANYTHING LEFT. 
          I DON'T HAVE TABS, BUT I'VE READ THROUGH THE REST OF THIS AND I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DOES, BUT ALL OF THIS KIND OF MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          SO THE NEXT, UH, TAB, OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TAB, . 
          WELL, I, I CAN'T BELIEVE Y'ALL DIDN'T SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE A TAB WHEN I KEPT SAYING TABS. 
          ANYWAY, UH, THE NEXT TAB, TAB FIVE IS, UH, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE AUTOMATED ALARM. 
          UH, SO THAT'S THAT INFORMATION ON THE 
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ASAP TAB SIX. 
          WHAT IS THAT SOFTWARE, SOFT SOFTWARE. 
          UH, AND, AND THESE ARE ALL SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT WE TRULY DON'T HAVE ANY. 
          WE CAN HOLD OUR BREATH AND KICK OUR FEET AS LONG AS WE WANT, BUT YOU GOTTA RING A BELL. 
          THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I, I, I SAID I WOULD LEAST LIKE TO RING A BELL WHEN WE GET OVERCHARGED FOR SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, UM, TAB SEVEN DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          THAT'S, UH, ALSO PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          I THINK WE HAD SOME MONEY, MONEY MOVED THERE ON TAB SEVEN. 
          ARE ALL THOSE THINGS, LIKE IS IT ON ONE OF THE PAGES, YOU, YOU BREAK OUT DIFFERENT ITEMS? THAT ONE WAS JUST FOR ME. 
          SORRY. 
          IS THAT THINGS YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE OR IS THIS ALL JUST ONE BIG PACKAGE YET? SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT REFERRING TO THIS ONE. 
          SO, UH, THIS, THIS COMPANY HERE, UH, APPARENTLY THERE WAS QUITE A FEW COMPANIES THIS YEAR THAT WERE UPDATING THEIR SOFTWARE. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE COMPANIES WHO COULD NOT GIVE ME A QUOTE BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF UPDATING THEIR SOFTWARE. 
          BUT, UH, WE TOOK THIS FROM THEIR WEBSITE. 
          AND BASICALLY THE, THE REASON THIS WENT UP A LITTLE BIT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR IS THEY DID AWAY WITH THE BASIC, UH, PACKAGE THAT WE USED FOR THE CELL PHONE, UH, EXTRACTION, UH, SOFTWARE. 
          UM, AND IT CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT, UH, UH, PLAN THAT THEY OFFERED. 
          SO WE HAD TO GO WITH THE NEW BASE PLAN THAT WAS, UH, ABOUT A THOUSAND MORE. 
          SOME, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UH, AND THEN IT COUPLES WITH THE ANALYZER TO ACTUALLY ANALYZE THE DATA. 
          THO THOSE TWO PORTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TWO SEPARATE PORTIONS IN THAT LINE. 
          BUT, UH, WE DO GET TO PICK WHICH ONES WE WANT. 
          BUT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXTRACT FROM THE PHONES AND, AND BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE PHONES WHEN WE GET SEARCH WARRANTS FOR THOSE, IT REQUIRES THOSE TWO APPLICATIONS TO, TO ACTUALLY GET THE DATA OUT AND THEN TO GO THROUGH AND ANALYZE THE DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE NEED EVERYTHING. 
          THE FACT THAT IT'S BROKEN OUT PER NUMBER DOESN'T, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          UH, ALRIGHT. 
          WE, WE, WE NEED THE, UM, YEAH, THE, THE 4,600 THAT BREAKS, THAT GETS INTO THE PHONE AND EXTRACTS THE DATA, AND THEN THE 4,200 THAT, THAT ACTUALLY ANALYZES ALL OF THAT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR NOT HAVING A QUOTE, BUT THE COMPANY NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I JUST AM MY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          I'M, I UNDERSTAND. 
          A TAB EIGHT IS, UH, CAPITAL OUTLAY FURNITURE, MACHINERY, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES. 
          THAT INCLUDES THE LAPTOPS THERE. 
          THAT CONCLUDES THE UTV, THE VEHICLES AND LAPTOPS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN TAB NINE IS THE, UM, UPGRADE OF THE WATCH STAR. 
          WAIT, JUST MINUTE, TERRY, I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION AND, AND MAYBE IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE, TO THE LAPTOPS, THE IT DEPARTMENT, WOULDN'T WE JUST WANNA BE CONSISTENT WHERE ALL OF THE LAPTOPS GO THROUGH OUR IT DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME THAT ARE SEG SEGREGATED OUT OF IT? I, I'M GONNA, I'M JUST ASKING A BASIC QUESTION. 
          I, I WOULD, UH, DEFER BACK TO COMMISSIONER STACEY'S PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DIFFERENT. 
          UH, AND, AND IT TRULY, TRULY IS. 
          WE HAVE, WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS CALLED? TOUGH BOOKS OR, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEVIATING FROM A, FROM ANOTHER FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT. 
          AND THAT IS THAT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS TO KEEP UP WITH THE ASSET. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN PUT 'EM ALL IN ONE BUCKET OR WE CAN PRETEND THAT THEY'RE OUT. 
          BUT THE AUDITOR HAS TO HAVE THEM SEGREGATED IN EACH DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE ASSET CLASSES THAT HAS TO BE MANAGED. 
          IT HAS TO, IT, IT IS NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST HAVE THE IT DEPARTMENT BUY 400 LAPTOPS AND ISSUE THEM ALL OUT AND, AND WORK WITH 'EM BECAUSE IT'S THE AUDITOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP UP WITH THE TABS. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PUT 'EM INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IT'S NOT DIFFERENT FOR THE SHERIFF COMPARED TO ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          IT'S THE SAME. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEPARATED OUTS. 
          IT'S EVERY DEPARTMENT WE'RE GONNA SEE AN IT LINEUP. 
          YES, YOU ARE. 
          YES. 
          RECALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SORRY GUYS. 
          NOPE. 
          NOT SIGNALING YOU GUYS OUT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          IT'S JUST FOR BEING FIRST, RIGHT? THAT'S IT. 
          THAT IS IT. 
          LEARNING CURVE. 
          SO TAB NINE IS A CONTRACT WITH, UH, MOTOROLA WATCHGUARD FOR THE CAMERAS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK I HAD IT, COMMISSIONER GALANA, YOU PROBABLY HAVE MY NOTES STILL IN THERE, BUT, UH, THERE, 
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, IT IS A, IT IS A MULTI-YEAR, UH, CONTRACT. 
          AND, AND THE NUMBERS THERE TO UPGRADE THIS. 
          AND, UH, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, GOING TO THE CLOUD AND IT REDUCES, THINK IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF OUR ACTUAL BODY-WORN CAMERAS, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WE'RE COMMITTING TO, RIGHT? YEAR ONE IS 174, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IF I READ IT RIGHT, BUYS THE EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE START PAYING $238,000 A YEAR FEES, UM, AFTER FIVE YEARS. 
          IS IT FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AFTER FIVE YEARS? IS THIS EQUIPMENT ALL USELESS? NO LONGER VIABLE? M MOST ALL EQUIPMENT, LIKE THIS IS AFTER FIVE YEARS. 
          IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH CONSIDERED AT END OF LIFE, AT LEAST OUTTA WARRANTY. 
          SO WHEN IT'S REPLACED, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE OF A COST THAN WHILE IT'S IN WARRANTY DURING THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD SINCE I'M YOUR JUDGE IS WITH A MOTOROLA REP WHO TOLD ME WE DO NOT SUPPORT SOME SOFTWARE THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS GONNA REQUIRE US TO BUY ALL NEW EQUIPMENT. 
          AND I SAID, WHY DO YOU NOT SUPPORT? AND HIS ANSWER TO ANY QUESTION I ASKED WAS, WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT ANYMORE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CODE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE? OR ARE YOU JUST FORCING ME TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT? WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT SOFTWARE ANYMORE. 
          IS, AND IT TRULY IS JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN. 
          WELL, AND I'M ASSUMING MOTOROLA'S THE INDUSTRY LEADER HERE, UM, BUT ARE THERE OTHER PLACES WE COULD LOOK, OTHER COMPANIES WE COULD LOOK AT WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE A LONGER SERVICE LIFE? I MEAN, I, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE 175,000 WE'RE BUDGETING THIS YEAR AS A LOSS LEADER. 
          IT TRULY IS. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA START HAMMERING US THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND THEN START IT OVER AGAIN ON YEAR SIX. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN IT WON'T BE 174, THAT'S MY GUESS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ARE THERE OTHER THINGS YOU COULD LOOK AT? THERE ARE OTHER, THERE'S THE OTHER, UH, WHO IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE TOP IN THE INDUSTRY IS, UH, AXON. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THEM THROUGH OUR TASERS. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MULTIFACETED ALSO, ALSO THEIR PRICE CAME IN AT, UH, 1.9 MILLION FOR THE FIVE YEARS VERSUS THE 1.1 MILLION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN THEIRS IS THE SAME. 
          AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE OUTTA LUCK PRETTY MUCH. 
          WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT ANYMORE. 
          . 
          WOW. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN, AND THAT'S TRULY THAT, THAT IS, UM, ENJOY YOUR FRUSTRATION AT, AT SOME POINT IT JUST BECOMES ABSURD. 
          BUT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE DEAL WITH DO, DO YOU WANNA BILL AS WELL? WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE 130, UH, BODY CAMS WE HAVE? CAN WE KEEP USING THOSE INSTEAD OF GOING TO THIS, THOSE WHO THAT ARE GONNA STAY ON PREM, UH, SERVER WILL BE USED IN THE JAIL. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I, AGAIN, YOU, I'M NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, SO EXCUSE ME IN ADVANCE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN GET APOR MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION THAN JUST BEING AT THE MERCY OF THESE GUYS. 
          I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR OLD BODY CAMS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND THEY'RE GONNA STILL BE WORKING. 
          IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT WE JUST AREN'T SLAPPED AROUND? LIKE AN OLD RAG DOLL EVERY FIVE YEARS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE AWARE OF ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GONNA BE A ONE AND DONE DEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE THE RADIO SYSTEM. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT COST FOR A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, UH, FOR OUR BODY CAMERAS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE, IN ORDER TO FILE A CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY WON'T TAKE A CASE WITHOUT THAT. 
          AND WITHIN TWO TO THREE YEARS, OUR RADIO SYSTEM WILL BE UP FOR MAJOR UPGRADE ALSO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE RE THE CURRENT RADIO SYSTEM WE'RE IN, THE REASON WE'RE IN THAT ONE IS BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONE, UH, WAS AT END OF LIFE. 
          THANKS. 
          AND PART OF, OF THE, WE DID GO THROUGH THIS AND WE DID KIND OF NARROW DOWN THE SCOPE OF, OF THE NUMBER OF CAMERAS THAT WE WERE, UM, INVOLVING IN THIS AND TRY TO MANAGE THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          UH, WE PREVIOUSLY HAD ASSIGNED BODY CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ALL THE INDIVIDUAL DEPUTIES, AND WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE TOWARDS WHERE THEY CAN CHECK THOSE OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT WE COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER, UH, SO THAT WE COULD TRY TO KEEP THE COST DOWN AND KEEP IT REASONABLE AND 
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TRY TO USE THOSE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          AND ONLY PUT IN-CAR CAMERAS IN THE VEHICLES THAT ACTUALLY NEED, ARE REQUIRED OR NEED THEM IN THEM SO THAT WE COULD OBVIOUSLY CONTROL THE COST AS MUCH AS WE COULD. 
          BUT THE CURRENT SYSTEM, THE BODY CAMS ARE STILL ABLE TO BE LICENSED AND WARRANTIED. 
          UH, BUT THE IN-CAR CAMERAS ARE NOT. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE KINDA LIKE WHAT THE JUDGE RAN INTO WITH THE CONSTABLES, UH, LAST YEAR. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE END OF LIFE AND THEY'RE NO LONGER SUPPORTED. 
          SO, UH, THE IN-CAR CAMERAS WILL BE A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD. 
          THEY WORK NOW, BUT IF THEY BREAK, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA REPLACE THOSE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA REPAIR 'EM. 
          UH, AND THEN OUR ON-PREMISE, UH, SERVERS, THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE PURCHASE THOSE AND THOSE ARE UP AND RUNNING AND THEY DON'T SEE NECESSARILY, UH, US HAVING A BIG ISSUE WITH THOSE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          BUT THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT COVERED EITHER. 
          AND IF THEY WERE TO SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN TO THEM TOMORROW, THEN THEY'RE NOT COVERED EITHER. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN ONE OF THOSE PLACES WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT THE END OF OUR LIFE WITH WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE MOST PART. 
          UH, AND MOST EVERY ONE OF THE, THE THREE, UH, COMPANIES THAT WE MET WITH TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES, UH, ALMOST NO. 
          WELL, REALLY NO ONE IS USING ON-PREM SERVERS ANYMORE. 
          THEY'RE PUSHING YOU TO CLOUD-BASED SYSTEMS. UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE WHOLE INDUSTRY IS PUSHING YOU TOWARDS. 
          HERE'S THAT. 
          TELL WHY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M AT THINK THINKING MY PAGES TOO. 
          I'M CAPPED UP. 
          WELL, IF YOU WILL GO TO YOUR SECOND BINDER. 
          . 
          WANNA DO THAT? THERE'S ANOTHER BINDER. 
          THERE IS ANOTHER BINDER. 
          THIS ONE LOOK FASTER. 
          OH, WHOA. 
          WHOA. 
          WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT? YEP. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          THE, IT IS BUDGET TIME. 
          WE COULD ASK FOR A ANOTHER PERSON. 
          MAYBE WE COULD USE THE ADMIN ASSISTANT . 
          THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          WE DO THIS IN 15 MINUTES. 
          YES. 
          IT'S, NO, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS IN 15 MINUTES. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A GOOD NATURAL BREAK TIME. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH? OKAY, LET, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION. 
          THIS SHOULD GO QUICKER THAN, UH, THAN THE SHERIFF'S, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL GONNA BE AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. 
          UM, SO L AND I DO WANT TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF EVERYBODY'S TIME, UH, AND IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO SAY, SO WHAT I, UH, HAD FELICIA DOING IS GETTING AHOLD OF PEOPLE, UH, PRIOR TO THEM COMING IN. 
          NOW THE SHERIFF'S DIFFERENT 'CAUSE HIS, HE'S THE ONLY ONE TODAY. 
          BUT GETTING, WHEN WE HAD MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS SCHEDULED, GETTING AHOLD OF THEM AND ASKING HOW LONG YOUR PRESENTATION WILL BE, AND THEN STACKING THEM FRONT, LOADING EVERYBODY AND TELLING THE NUMBER TWO, HEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE DONE IN 30 MINUTES. 
          WELL, AFTER TODAY, THEY'RE GONNA DOUBLE THEIR TIME. 
          WHATEVER THEY EXPECTED, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, I EXPECT IT TO BE 10 MINUTES, BUT BE 45 MINUTES. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          BUT THE DAY'S NOT OVER YET. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT IS 1145 RIGHT NOW. 
          LET'S YOU WANNA TAKE AN HOUR? WOULD THAT LET YOU GET TO YOUR NO, I'LL JUST CANCEL IT. 
          ARE YOU SURE? I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH THE GUY ABOUT THAT ROAD AND HE AH, GOT IT. 
          I JUST, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT, IT IS 1145. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 1245. 
          ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, WELCOME BACK. 
          IT IS 1245. 
          WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT BACK INTO OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. 
          AND WE ARE NOW, UH, FINISHED WITH THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET AND MOVING ON TO THE DETENTION DIVISION BUDGET. 
          SHERIFF GARRETT, TAKE IT AWAY, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UM, I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE OTHER QUESTIONS WILL COME UP AS YOU READ THROUGH THOSE THINGS. 
          IF YOU HAVE 
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ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON FROM, FROM THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON'S BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US AND YOU CAN COME TO OUR OFFICE, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE OPERATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          I KNOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAD THIS MORNING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING IF I'M, I'M JUST GONNA USE, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI AS AN EXAMPLE HERE. 
          IF YOU WANNA SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND STUFF IN THERE. 
          WE'D BE GLAD TO SHOW YOU AT ANY TIME. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UH, I GUESS WE'LL DO THE, HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE TAPS? ANYBODY HAVE TAPS? ? I'M BRING UP A SORE SUBJECT, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, THE LINE ITEMS HERE, IF THAT'S WHY YOU WANNA DO THIS AFTERNOON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          LET'S, LET'S KEEP GOING THAT WAY. 
          I LIKE, UH, SO OVERALL BUDGET IMPACT 25, UH, TOTAL BUDGET WAS 11 MILLION 7 67 4 18, 20 26. 
          UH, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET 12 2 64, 360 6, UH, WHICH APPROXIMATELY A 4.2 INCREASE, UH, REFLECTS, UH, TARGETED PERSONNEL INCREASE HEALTHCARE, MEDICAL, AND MENTAL HEALTH, UH, INVESTMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY AND UPGRADES. 
          SO IF WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, IF YOU WANNA START THERE AT THE TOP OR JUST AT THE TOP OF THE, THE LINE ITEM. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, SOME THINGS, UH, IN THE BODY OF THE BOOK THAT WE, THAT COULD EXPLAIN SOME OF THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UH, IS THE STEP PLAN ADJUSTMENTS, AND AGAIN, TRYING TO GET TO GET INTO A, UH, I GUESS A MORE UNIQUE PLAN FOR WHAT, UH, MOST OF THE AGENCIES, UH, WE COMPETE WITH DO SO, SO THE, THE OTHER, SORRY, SHERIFF, THE OTHER, UH, DETENTION OFFICERS, OTHER JAILS ARE, ARE ON A STEP PLAN, MOST ARE ON SOME TYPE OF PLAN SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GET, WE GET SOME OF OUR DEPUTIES EVEN FROM OUT, FROM COMING THROUGH THE JAIL, LIKE I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN START THE JAIL WHEN THEY'RE 18 AND WHEN THEY HIT 21, SOMETIMES THEY'RE LOOKING AT, AT OTHER JOBS. 
          SO IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO, TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          IT GIVES US SOMETHING. 
          IT'S, IT DOESN'T REALLY GO OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING, BUT IT JUST GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          AND IF WE WANT TO, UH, AT ANY POINT, WHETHER IT'S DISPATCH OR WITH THE JAIL, MAKE THAT MORE OF A CAREER ORIENTED THING, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PAID LIKE A, LIKE A CAREER. 
          SO IT JUST GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND VISUALIZE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT, UH, REQUEST. 
          CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION SINCE I WASN'T ON THE COURT LAST TIME? SORRY TO INTERRUPT, SHERIFF. 
          SO WHEN I THINK YOU SAID YOU ALL DID THE, THE COURT DID THE, UM, STEP PLAN LAST YEAR? CORRECT. 
          INSTITUTED IT. 
          WHY WASN'T IT INSTITUTED FOR THE DETENTION? UH, COMPLETE DIFFERENT DIVISION. 
          UM, AND, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE ASKED FOR IT LAST YEAR FOR THE TENSION OFFICER. 
          IT, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T ASKED LAST YEAR IN THAT WE, WE WERE STILL TRYING TO GET IT. 
          I THINK WE'VE BEEN CAMMY AND, UH, OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TO TRY TO GET IT KIND OF PERFECTED, JUST THE BASIC STEP PLAN, RIGHT. 
          UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 
          WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO LIMIT THE IMPACT ON THE COUNTY THAT FIRST YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE, LIKE YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTIES HERE, COLIN KAUFMAN, DALLAS, AND HUNT, WHERE YOU GIVE COMPARABLE STARTING SALARIES. 
          UM, AND THE STEP PLAN, OBVIOUSLY INSTITUTES, I LIKE THE WAY YOU PUT IT, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE I WOULD'VE SAID IT THAT WAY, BUT I LIKE IT. 
          IT'S, IT GIVES A KIND OF A CAREER OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS KIND OF JOB, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, ISN'T THERE OTHERWISE. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAID OTHER COUNTIES, SOME HAVE IT, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THESE FOUR HAVE IT? I, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR STEP PLAN IS OR WHAT THEIR, OR IF THEY EVEN HAVE THAT, WHAT THEIR GRADES ARE. 
          THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE JUST THEIR STARTING PACE? UHHUH. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I KNOW GRAYSON COUNTY HAS A VERY QUICK STEP PLAN. 
          IT'S A THREE YEAR PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEIR THREE YEAR PLAN HAS THEM TOPPING OUT IN THREE YEARS AT LIKE 68,000. 
          BUT THEY GET THERE REALLY QUICK. 
          BUT AFTER THAT, THERE'S NO INCENTIVE AFTER THAT. 
          THEY JUST, THEY TOP OUT UHHUH . 
          OUR STEP PLAN IS A, WHEN IT COMES TO DETENTION OFFICER IS A SEVEN STEP 
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PLAN. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS GET IT INTO THE SAME BALLPARK AS ALL THE OTHERS COUNTIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING US WHEN IT COMES TO STARTING PAY. 
          UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 49. 
          YOU SEE HUNT COUNTY'S AT 50 AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO 55. 
          YEP. 
          ALL THE COUNTIES THAT TOUCH US. 
          YEP. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRIMARILY TRYING TO GET TO, IS GETTING A STARTING PAY THAT'S COMPETITIVE WITH OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT'S ON, AND I KNOW OVERTIME WAS A BIG DEAL WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND THAT WAS THE THING IN THE PREVIOUS COURTS ALSO, UH, IF YOU LOOK, WE, UH, HAD NO INCREASE IN THE PROPOSED OVERTIME FOR THIS, UH, THIS UPCOMING YEAR. 
          AND THAT WAS THE INCREASE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE LAST YEAR OVER WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED IN PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          UH, WE STILL CURRENTLY ARE RUNNING ANYWHERE AS AN AVERAGE FROM MAYBE NINE TO 15 DETENTION OFFICERS SHORT JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, ATTRITION, YOU KNOW, LEAVING FOR OTHER JOBS, SOME COMING IN AND, AND THE SUCH, SO THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT 15 GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE UP SOME OF THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I'M IN OVERTIME THEN. 
          I'LL JUST QUICKLY ASK, SO WHAT YEAR TO DATE YOU'RE AT? ABOUT NEARLY 167,000. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL PROJECTING THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL END THE YEAR AT FOUR 50, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING FOR FY 26, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT'S RU KINDA RUNNING STILL AT THAT 15 DEFICIT, SO WE'RE A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY. 
          SO WHEN THIS WAS, WHEN THIS WAS DRAWN UP, WE WERE PROBABLY RIGHT AT THE 50% MARK, CORRECT? I DUNNO, RUN THROUGH END OF , UH, MAY 23RD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE REPORTS THROUGH THE END OF MARCH. 
          SO SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. 
          OH, THIS IS SIX MONTHS. 
          YES. 
          SO CURRENTLY AS OF TODAY, OVERTIME IS AT $250,000. 
          MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO MARCH WOULD BE ABOUT, WOULD BE THE HALFWAY POINT. 
          SO LISA, ARE ALL OF THESE NUMBERS, LIKE ON ALL THESE PAGES RUN YEAR TO DATE IS MARCH 31ST? YES. 
          WE GIVE YOU, WE GIVE THE DEPARTMENT SIX MONTHS WORTH OF THEIR BUDGET WHEN THESE ARE HANDED OUT TO THEM IN APRIL. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE RETURNED, THEY'RE UH, UH, THEY'RE RETURNED WITH THOSE SAME, THE STATUS OF THAT, THAT SAME TIMEFRAME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE SIX MONTHS. 
          UH, EXACTLY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO SOME OF THE KEY OPERATING COST, UH, IMPACTS ON, UH, SOME OF THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS, THE SUPPLIES AND INMATE SERVICES. 
          UM, 60,000 TO 66,000. 
          AND THAT IS PRIMARILY DUE TO COST INCREASE OF INMATE SUPPLIES SUCH AS WHETHER IT'S TOOTHPASTE, UH, RAZOR BLADES, WHATEVER COST OF EVERYTHING GOING UP. 
          YES, SURE. 
          CAN I JUST GO BACK A MINUTE? JUST, JUST, JUST A CLARIFICATION. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE WORKERS' COMP LINE ITEM AND IT, IN 2024, THE ACTUAL WAS 70 GRAND. 
          WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND WE'VE GOT 32, BUT WE BUDGETED ONE 40 LAST YEAR AND WE'RE BUDGETING ONE 40 AGAIN THIS YEAR. 
          DO WE T ARE WE TYPICALLY THAT'S JUST LIKE A FAIL SAFE? THE FAIL SAFE THAT WE'RE BUDGETING THAT HIGH BECAUSE WE DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER. 
          THE, WHY ARE WE AT ONE 40 WHEN THE PAST YEARS AREN'T, AREN'T THERE? WE DO BUDGET A LITTLE HIGHER. 
          OKAY. 
          THE WAY THAT WORKS IS WORKERS' COMP RATES, WE GET THEM FROM JANUARY THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR OCTOBER TO DECEMBER AT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW RATE IS. 
          SO WE ALWAYS BUDGET A LITTLE HIGHER TO HAVE SOME IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST WITH SALARY INCREASES IN GENERAL, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THOSE VACANCIES THAT THEY'VE HAD YEAH. 
          WHERE YOU'RE BUDGETING IN CASE THEY'RE FILLED. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE BUDGETING WORKERS' COMP BASED ON THOSE SALARIES. 
          AND IF THEY'VE GONE UNFILLED ALL YEAR LONG, THAT'S $49,000 SALARY PER VACANCY. 
          IT ADDS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF WE'RE STILL ON, UH, THE FIRST PART, COMPENSATION, UM, WHY IS THE JAIL COMMANDER, UH, GETTING A 10? YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR A 10.4% INCREASE THERE? IS THIS BECAUSE 
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WITH THE STEP OR IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT IS THE STEP OF A CAPTAIN ON THE OPERATION SIDE? UH, WE ARE BOTH, UH, DIVISION COMMANDERS. 
          HE, WE HAVE THREE CAPTAINS. 
          WE HAVE TWO CAPTAINS ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE, ONE MAJOR ON THE DETENTION SIDE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BRING ME TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE CAPTAINS THAT ARE OVER DIVISIONS ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE. 
          BY OPERATIONS YOU MEAN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? YES, SIR. 
          SO IT'S TO PUT HIM AT THE SAME LEVEL AS HE WOULD BE IF HE WERE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SIMILAR GRADE, WHATEVER, AS CLASSIFICATION? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT FIRST AREA? N NO, JUST, UH, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ALL, ALL OF THE INCREASES, THE ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATORS, THE JAIL LIEUTENANTS, ALL, ALL OF THOSE INCREASES ARE, UH, FACTORING IN THAT WE GO TO THE STEP RAISE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, WHEN YOU GET TO LINE, YOU KNOW, 202 0 3, 2 0 4, 2 0 6 AND 2 0 7 WILL CHANGE. 
          THAT WON'T FACTOR IN WITH THE STEP, INCREASE THE LOAD. 
          IT WILL HAVE TO, THERE WILL BE SOME DELTA THERE THAT ISN'T IN THE SPREADSHEET, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE. 
          IT'S JUST THAT IT'LL ALL YEP. 
          IT WILL ALL ROLL UP BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          UM, I MEAN, SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES AREN'T GONNA BE THE SAME FOR PAYING EVERYONE MORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANOTHER, ANOTHER AREA THERE. 
          UH, 3 92, UM, INMATE EVALUATIONS AND, UM, BASICALLY PROGRAMS ALSO 65 TO 1 0 7. 
          THAT INCLUDES THE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE, OUR EQUINE THERAPY PROGRAM INTO THE BUDGET MAINTENANCE AND SOFTWARE, UH, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FROM 50 50,900 TO 72 2 67. 
          AND THAT IS PART OF THAT IS ADDED, UH, ON OUR SECURITY AND ELECTRONICS CONTRACTS. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S AGAIN, JUST RE RE UH, LABELING SOFTWARE AND, AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE'S ONE WE WILL WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS, UH, IT WOULD BE A SPLIT FROM WHAT TURNKEY ALREADY HAS IN THEIR CONTRACT. 
          IT'LL, AS OF INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE WILL GET SOME BACK, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME ADDED TO THAT BECAUSE OF OUR, WAS IT THE GUARDIAN? IT'S OVERWATCH, OVERWATCH PROGRAM? YOU MAY HAVE SEEN READ THAT IN THERE. 
          WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SOFTWARE, THIS COVERS THE GUARDIAN RFID SOFTWARE AND THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, UH, WHICH WASN'T INCLUDED LAST YEAR. 
          AND WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE OF TYLER, UM, THE LAST MINUTE, THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          AND SO WE WENT WITH, UH, WITH GUARDIAN ON THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE THAT WAS AFTER THE BUDGET WAS ALREADY IN PRETTY MUCH IN PLACE THAT WE DID, UH, WE DID THAT OUT OF ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE TRAINING AND SUBSCRIPTIONS, UM, ADDITIONAL ONLINE TRAINING PLATFORM. 
          UH, OSS IS THE NAME OF THE PLATFORM. 
          AND THAT IS FOR IN-SERVICE TRAINING AND THEN EFFICIENCY BASED REDUCTION, UH, CONVEYING AND GUARDING INMATES 75,000, UH, TO 50,000, WHICH IS A $25,000 REDUCTION BASED ON PROJECTED LOWER TRANSPORT AND, AND HOUSING NEEDS. 
          SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON ACTUALLY THE LINE ITEMS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I, I, I JUST HAD A A, A REAL QUICK QUESTION. 
          AND IT'S MORE ABOUT JUST, IT, IT, THERE IS NO TRAVEL AND TRAINING IN THE JAIL BUDGET. 
          IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL DONE THROUGH OPERATIONS? 'CAUSE IT'S JUST EASIER. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NO TRAVEL AND TRAINING. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT LAST YEAR THAT IT, IT, IT'S ALL IN OPERATIONS, BUT IT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT'S JUST, I WAS JUST DOUBLE CHECKING. 
          AND WE HAVE STARTED DOING MORE OF THE JAIL ACADEMY TRAINING TO GET THEM CERTIFIED IN HOUSE, UH, WHERE WE WERE SENDING 
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THEM OUT FOR THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          SO WE'RE DOING MORE OF THAT IN-HOUSE. 
          TERRY, I'M SORRY, I I I WASN'T QUITE FOLLOWING YOU ON THE CONVEYING AND THE GUARDING, UM, INMATES OF, UM, COUNT NUMBER FOUR 12. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID YOU REDUCED IT BY 25 5,000, AND I SEE THAT, BUT THEN WHEN I LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE FOR 2022 AND THEN HOW IT DROPPED, WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY IT DROPPED FROM TWO, NEARLY 250,000 TO NOW 50,000? THAT'S WHEN WE HAD, UH, HOUSING CONTRACTS WITH KAUFMAN. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHEN ALL OF OUR INMATES WERE, I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION WHEN HE WAS TALKING. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE WE OPENED OUR JAIL. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          LIKE WE WERE, WE WERE USING THREE DIFFERENT, AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT FACILITIES. 
          SO TRANSPORTING 'EM BACK AND FORTH, WE WERE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSPORTING 'EM BACK AND FORTH TO COURT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED HERE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, , GO AHEAD. 
          I I IF YOU SAY NO, THE ANSWER'S NO, TERRY. 
          NO BETTER THAN THAT. 
          . 
          SO BACK WHEN THIS, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, I, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT BACK WHEN THIS JAIL WAS BEING BUILT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BEING BANTERED AROUND IN THE PUBLIC WAS THIS IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BASICALLY RENT OUT CELLS TO OTHER AREAS AND WE'D BRING IN REVENUE BY DOING THAT. 
          HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED? IS THAT REALITY OR JUST NOT? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING PROBABLY BETWEEN, UH, AVERAGE DAILY POPULATION, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO 60 NOW, WHICH IS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION OF THE TOTAL JAIL, THE BED SPACE. 
          THERE ARE SOME BEDS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT ABLE TO USE, BUT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE STAFFING. 
          IF THE STAFFING WAS UP, BECAUSE YOU STAFF PER, PER SO MANY INMATES. 
          SO TO BE ABLE TO, TO GUARD AND CONVEY THOSE INMATES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STAFF WITHIN THOSE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS. 
          AND, AND WE'VE ONLY HAD, WE'VE ONLY HAD A COUPLE REQUESTS IN THE PAST, UH, A COUPLE YEARS OF HOUSING INMATES FOR OTHERS. 
          UH, AND THAT'S ONLY BEEN FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          UH, I THINK HUNT COUNTY CONTACTED US A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. 
          THEY WERE HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH THEIR FACILITY AND WE WERE KIND OF ON STANDBY FOR THEM, BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ONLY FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE LONG-TERM THING, UH, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY REQUESTS FOR, UH, FOR ANY OF THOSE. 
          AND IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YOU DON'T SEE THAT BEING SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT'S POSSIBLE OR LIKELY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          LIKELY. 
          I THINK IF, IF, IF WE HAD OUR, OUR STAFFING WAS COMPLETE, IF WE WERE COMPLETELY STAFFED, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO BETTER LOOK AT THAT. 
          UH, BEFORE THIS JAIL WE WERE IN, UH, IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THERE WAS A FEDERAL CONTRACT AND HOUSING FEDERAL PRISONERS, THEY HAD, THEY HAVE CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          THEIR, THEIR GUIDELINES AND WE MET WITH THEM WAS IN 2022, UH, ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THERE WAS, IT WAS MORE OF A BURDEN ON US THAN IT WAS ON THEM FOR THE COST THAT IT WOULD, UH, BASICALLY WE WOULDN'T BE, WE WOULDN'T BE MAKING MONEY ON THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE LINE ITEMS? OKAY. 
          UH, THIS FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS DETENTION DIVISION. 
          PROPOSE A SHIFT, UH, SHIFT TO A STEP BASED COMPENSATION PROGRAM FOR DETENTION PERSONNEL. 
          THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, PROPOSED STEP INCREASES, MAINTAINS PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS WHILE ESTABLISHING A STABLE BASE SALARY. 
          AND, UH, LEMME SEE, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, COLLIN COUNTY, KAUFMAN, DALLAS, AND HUNT. 
          CAN WE GET, UH, A LOADED AMOUNT ON ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH, SO THIS IS, IF YOU WANT TO PASS THIS AROUND, THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE'S ACTUALLY GETTING PAID AT THE JAIL ONE. 
          NOPE. 
          YEAH, YOU GOTTA HAVE MY READER STILL NOT. 
          SORRY. 
          WE ARE BEING VERY FRUGAL WITH THE PAPER AT BUDGET TIME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          MAKE SMALLER 
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MAY MAYBE WE CAN GET AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY. 
          , THANK YOU FOR THE ATTEMPT, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, CAN WE GET A LOADED, SO $436,540, BUT THAT'S CURRENT BASED ON A 4 36. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT FIVE 25,000 LOAD OF EVERYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'VE ESTIMATED ON THE BUSINESS STAFFING, UH, IT'S ESTIMATED ON APPROXIMATELY A $500,000 SAVINGS THIS YEAR FROM OUR SALARIES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SAY, SAY IT AGAIN. 
          SHERIFF. 
          500,000 OF UNUSED. 
          AND IS THAT, UM, POSITIONS THAT WE'VE NOT FILLED? CORRECT. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM IS INCREASING EMPLOYEE INCENTIVE PAY, SIMILAR AS WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, UH, WHERE THE, UH, DEGREES AND CERTIFICATE PAY IS INVOLVED THERE. 
          AND THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS, UH, WHERE EACH EMPLOYEE CURRENTLY, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY RECEIVING IN THERE. 
          I I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE BASELINE, TRYING TO MOVE UP THE ENTRY LEVEL DETENTION OFFICERS BASED UPON OTHER COUNTIES. 
          IS THERE ANY DATA THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS WHEN WE HIRED DETENTION OFFICER, DID THEY WORK AS A DETENTION OFFICER BEFORE? UM, WHEN THEY LEAVE, DO WE HAVE EXIT INTERVIEWS? ARE THEY, ARE THEY LEAVING THE FIELD OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT THINGS? AND THE, AND THE REASON I ASK IS, UM, AND, AND HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, BUT ALEX AND I GOT INTO A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT. 
          UM, I KNOW CAPTAIN BROWN'S LAUGHING 'CAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT WHAT YOUR COMPETITION IS FOR DETENTION OFFICERS. 
          AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO, TO DO SOMETHING, WHO ARE WE REALLY COMPETING AGAINST? ARE WE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER JAILS? ARE WE COMPETING AGAINST? LIKE, WHY WOULD SOMEONE NOT BE A DETENTION OFFICER? SO WHY WOULD SOMEONE LEAVE A DETENTION OFFICER? WHO ARE WE RECRUITING AS DETENTION OFFICERS? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WANTS TO WORK IN A JAIL. 
          UM, AND, AND SO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE RETENTION RATE AT OTHER JAILS THAT HAVE GONE TO STEP PROGRAMS, LIKE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN TRY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, IF WE'RE GONNA FIRE A BULLET AND, AND SAY WE'RE GONNA SPEND $500,000 ON INCREASED SALARIES IN THE JAIL, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN FALL BACK ON THAT SAYS THAT IT'S EVER WORKED, UM, FOR THIS TYPE OF OCCUPATION? UM, AND DO WE FEEL LIKE THERE, IS THERE ANY SORT OF METRIC OR MEASURABLE THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB? BECAUSE WHEN I GO AROUND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DO THE SAME THING, JAILS ARE SUFFERING EVERYWHERE. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. 
          I, I MEAN, I, I WANNA RAISE, I MEAN, I, I MEAN I WANT TO GET 'EM THESE POSITIONS FILLED AND I, AND I WANT TO PAY PEOPLE MORE, BUT IS IT GOING TO WORK? AND IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT THAT'S THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE LEAVING OR STAYING? DO, DO YOU I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW THAT THAT'S THE PROOF, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE ONES WE HAVE LEAVE ARE GOING TO, UM, PATROL OR OPERATIONS TYPE JOBS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S WITH OTHER PDS OR COMING UPSTAIRS TO, UH, TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENT PAY SCALE TOTAL DIFFERENT PAY SCALE. 
          AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A CAREER, UH, SALARY. 
          SO IS THE, IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT IF, IF YOU LED WITH THAT, IS TO HAVE A MORE CAREER 
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BASED STEP PLAN THAT MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE DETENTION OFFICERS ENVISION WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS STEP PROGRAM RATHER THAN, I'M GONNA BE HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN TRY TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY? OR, OR, OR DO SOMETHING ELSE? THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          HEY, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'VE BEEN IN THE JAIL 23 YEARS. 
          AND TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS A, A YOUNG MAN OR FEMALE ONCE BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND SO THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TO START IN THE JAIL. 
          TYPICALLY, ABOUT 70% OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME WORK FOR ME, WE GET THEM WHERE THEY WANT TO GO. 
          SO THEY'RE 18, 19 YEARS OLD AND WHEN THEY TURN 21, THEY WANT TO GO BE A PEACE OFFICER. 
          AND WE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS THAT WORKS IN THE JAIL. 
          'CAUSE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEIR GOAL IS. 
          SO WE SET THEM UP FOR THAT GOAL. 
          SO I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY I HAVE ENABLED SEVERAL YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN TO PURSUE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO GET WHERE THEY WANT TO BE. 
          IT'S NOT A BAD THING. 
          I I, I HAVE, WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO COME THROUGH, DO TWO, THREE YEARS AND THEN GO ON AND BE PEACE OFFICERS FOR THE REST OF THEIR CAREERS. 
          AND I'M, WE'RE GOOD AT THAT. 
          WE SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STAY. 
          'CAUSE I, I DO HAVE SEASONED INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND. 
          THIS IS A SECOND, THIRD CAREER AND THEY STAY LONGER. 
          THEY SEND 10, 15, 20 YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE LEVEL TO GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS SET. 
          DID DID YOU SAY ABOUT 70% WANT TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT? YES. 
          WELL, 70% WANT WANT TO GO BEYOND THE JAIL. 
          SO THEY WANT TO BE A, A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER. 
          THEY WANNA GO THE ROAD GOT TWO. 
          ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU'RE GONNA, I HATE TO SAY LOCK THEM INTO SAY A CAREER IN THE JAIL IS TO EXPEDITE THEIR PAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE STEP PLAN ALSO DOES. 
          BECAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE AND WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO THE TOP. 
          HERE AGAIN, IT OUTLINES STEP ONE, STEP TWO, STEP THREE. 
          AND IF A GUY'S MAKING, OR A WOMAN'S MAKING $68,000 A YEAR AFTER SEVEN YEARS, THEY MAY HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT GOING ONTO A CAREER IN ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING ENOUGH, UH, TO SATISFY THAT NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. 
          SO, SO OF THE 70% THAT DO WANT TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT DEGREE. 
          AND BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY'S QUESTION, UM, WHENEVER WE LOSE PEOPLE ON THE DETENTION SIDE, I, IS THAT THE BIGGEST AVENUE? ARE WE LOSING THEM TO LAW ENFORCEMENT EITHER THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OR OUTSIDE AGENCIES? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR CHIEF MCKNIGHT OR ANY, OR MAJOR CALKINS AS I'M, I'M READING, UM, THE ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN THE ABOVE THAT YOU'VE GOT DETENTION LIEUTENANT. 
          BUT IT SAYS IF THEY ARE A DETENTION LIEUTENANT AT THE TIME OF PROMOTION TO ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASSUME IF I READ BACK UP THERE, THEY'RE PROBABLY MAYBE AT A STEP TWO, MAYBE AT THAT TIME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT STEP THEY MIGHT BE AT. 
          BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THAT, UM, AND THAT THEY RECEIVED A PROMOTION TO ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD PUT THEM AT STEP THREE, UM, OR BELOW HIS PAY SHALL BE ADJUSTED TO THE ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR STEP TWO, WHICH WOULD BE 111,626. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING FROM LIKE 78 OR 93 TO ONE 11? I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE TWO EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVE, THAT YOU'RE GIVING US TO LOOK AT FOR SOMEONE THAT WAS A DETENTION LIEUTENANT THAT IS GETTING A PROMOTION TO ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY CAN'T GO BELOW WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MAKING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALLOWING US TO DO. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT SAYS THOUGH. 
          IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THAT BELOW SHOULD BE ABOVE IF A DETENTION LIEUTENANT AT THE TIME OF PROMOTION TO ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR IS A DETENTION LIEUTENANT, CURRENTLY AT STEP THREE OR BELOW. 
          SO THEY COULD BE AT THE STARTING PAY, THEY COULD BE AT STEP ONE, THEY COULD BE AT STEP TWO, THEN THEY'RE GONNA AUTOMATICALLY BE ADJUSTED J TO JAIL ADMINISTRATOR. 
          STEP THREE, STEP TWO. 
          I MEAN, SO THEY COULD BE AT STEP ONE AT DETENTION LIEUTENANT AND BE PROMOTED AND GO ALL THE WAY TO STEP TWO OF ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR. 
          THEY WOULD GO FROM AS A DETENTION LIEUTENANT TO AN ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR FROM 78 TO 87. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT 
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WHAT THAT SAYS. 
          THE, THIS, THE, THE FY 25 COLUMN RIGHT THERE, WHAT THEY'RE MAKING MM-HMM . 
          IS WHAT THEY'RE MAKING NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I'M SAYING THAT THEY WERE AT STEP ONE AS A DETENTION LIEUTENANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NINE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS BELOW STEP THREE AS IT SAYS IN THIS DESCRIPTION BELOW THE ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR SAY, GO TO ONE 11, THEN THEY WOULD GO TO ONE 11 FROM 93. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT THE INTENT? PRETTY BIG. 
          IS ANYBODY ELSE FOLLOWING WHAT I'M ASKING? . 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT THE INTENT OF THIS? JUST THAT THAT SEEMS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD ALL, WHY THEY WOULDN'T GO TO STEP ONE. 
          AND THE REASON I ASKED IT, IF THAT IS IN CASE, IF THAT IS IN FACT WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING, THAT GOES BACK TO, I THINK THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER STACY WAS ASKING IN REGARDS TO HOW LONG ARE THEY STAYING IN, IN DETENTION AND YOU KNOW, ARE THEY MOVING ON. 
          BUT EVEN AT THAT LEVEL OF 1 11 1, NEARLY 112, I MEAN IT, THAT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO, TO WANNA MOVE ON . 
          WELL, IT'S JUST DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          IF THEY'RE AT STEP THREE, I UNDERSTAND THEM GOING TO STEP TWO, BUT IF THEY'RE AT STEP ONE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM GOING TO STEP TWO. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEP THREE, YOU HAVE SOMEONE AT STEP THREE, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN IF THEY MADE ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, THEN I WOULD UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD GO TO STEP ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEY WOULD GO TO THAT NEXT, NEXT PAYOUT. 
          NO, THAT I WOULD UNDERSTAND. 
          IT SAYS IN THE DESCRIPTION, IT SAYS IF THEY'RE A DETENTION LIEUTENANT AT STEP THREE OR BELOW, SO THEY COULD BE AT STEP ONE AS A DETENTION LIEUTENANT AND STILL GO TO STEP TWO AS AN ASSISTANT JAIL ADMINISTRATOR. 
          THAT'S HOW IT READS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S INCORRECT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE BUT THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT CORRECT. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS IS INTENDED TO. 
          NO, IT'S TO GO, IT'S INTENDED. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE THAT, THAT THE SHERIFF WOULD DICTATE WHATEVER STEP THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD GO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON. 
          UH, LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NEXT UH, RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, TO UPGRADE ONE DETENTION OFFICER TO, UH, POSITION OF LIEUTENANT THAT WILL GIVE US FOUR LIEUTENANTS IN COVERING THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WE HAVE, UH, IN THE, IN THE JAIL AND GIVE US A BETTER COVERAGE, UH, 1 24 7 PERIOD. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL FTE, IT'S JUST AN ELEVATION. 
          YOU KNOW, I, THIS, UH, I KIND HAD THE SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THE OTHER ONE EARLIER THIS MORNING IS, SO IF WE'RE UPGRADING ONE POSITION FROM DETENTION OFFICER TO DETENTION LIEUTENANT, THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE LESS DETENTION OFFICER. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS RECLASSIFYING A CURRENT FTE FROM A DETENTION OFFICER, CLASS FTE TO A LIEUTENANT FTE. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A NEW POSITION. 
          WE'RE JUST RECLASSIFYING THAT, THAT FTE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE ARE, WE, YOU'RE NOT LOSING WELL, A LIEUTENANT IS A DETENTION OFFICER ALSO. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. 
          AND IS THIS TO DEAL WITH ONE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL OR JUST IN GENERAL OF BASIS FOR STAFFING? NO, SEE, WHEN WE, WHEN, WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE, OR THE OPERATION OF THE NEW FACILITY, WE SAW A NEED FOR A LIEUTENANT IN THE EVENINGS OVER HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WE RUN FOUR SHIFTS. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE GIVEN THIS OTHER LIEUTENANT IS THE NEXT LIEUTENANT WOULD BE, UH, BOTH LIEUTENANTS WOULD GO TO NIGHTS. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO LIEUTENANTS ON DAYS. 
          BOTH LIEUTENANTS WOULD GO ON NIGHTS AND THEN SEPARATE, HAVE FULL COVERAGE OVER THE NIGHT SHIFTS. 
          CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, THE CURRENT THIRD LIEUTENANT COMES IN AT THREE O'CLOCK AND LEAVES AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          WE GET TWO LIEUTENANTS. 
          WE'D HAVE FULL COVERAGE, SEVEN TO SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THIS. 
          IN THE JUSTIFICATION, IT SAYS, WITH THREE CURRENT LIEUTENANTS MANAGING 80,000 SQUARE FEET, A 44TH LIEUTENANT IS ESSENTIAL FOR IMPROVED OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. 
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SO HOW DOES THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS RELATE TO THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET? IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE, I I, I WOULD THINK THERE'S ALL CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AGAIN, MY IGNORANCE SHOULD PROBABLY SHOWING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW HAVING A LARGER FACILITY SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER OFFICER. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MAY HAVE THAT. 
          NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I HAVE, I HAVE THREE DIVISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO LIEUTENANTS. 
          I HAVE A, A BOOKING AND ADMISSIONS LIEUTENANT THAT'S OVER FOUR SHIFTS. 
          I HAVE A SUPPORT SERVICES LIEUTENANT THAT TAKES CARE OF, UH, MAINTENANCE ISSUES, LAUNDRY, KITCHEN, UH, UH, MEDICAL DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD IS OVER HOUSING. 
          BUT THAT'S FOUR SHIFTS OF, IN THE, IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE SPREAD FROM THE FARTHEST NORTHEAST CORNER ALL THE WAY OVER TO WEST A, WEST B. 
          EVENTUALLY WHEN, ONCE WE OPEN THAT UP, SO, AND THERE'S A SERGEANT OVER HOUSING AND THERE'S A SERGEANT OVER, UH, ADMISSIONS AND RELEASES. 
          SO HE, OH, SORRY. 
          USUALLY I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT SOMEWHAT . 
          OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO THE FACILITY IS, IS SO SPREAD OUT THAT A SERGEANT AND A LIEUTENANT COULD BE AT TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH INMATES AT TWO OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE FACILITY. 
          SO WE NEED THE COVERAGE BECAUSE THE FACILITY IS SO LARGE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WHERE THEY'LL BE PHYSICALLY POSITIONED, YOU NEED QUICKER ACCESS TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE JAIL, CORRECT? ESSENTIALLY. 
          IS THAT IT? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, LET'S MOVE ALONG. 
          OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, SEEKING $6,000 INCREASE IN INMATE SUPPLY BUDGET THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY ON THE, UH, LINE ITEMS INCREASING $6,000. 
          INMATE SUPPLY BUDGET. 
          FACILITY POPULATION HAS GROWN TO TWO OF 75 INMATES CONSISTENTLY. 
          UH, RISING INFLATION LED TO HIGHER COSTS IN INMATE SUPPLIES. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON BAR SOAP AND TOOTHPASTE? WELL, I, I HAVE SOME EXAMPLES. 
          . 
          SO RAZORS COME IN 500 COUNT. 
          IT WENT UP FRONT, IT WENT UP A HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          SO THAT WE GO THROUGH TWO CASES OF 500 COUNT A MONTH. 
          SO JUST FOR THAT, IT'S $2,400 A YEAR INCREASE. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          OKAY, THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS SEEKING 24,125 TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 FOR THE OVERWATCH, UM, INMATE MONITORING SOLUTION PROGRAM BY FORESIGHT LABS. 
          UH, THIS FUNDING COVERS THE FIRST YEAR OF THE NEW THREE YEAR AGREEMENT THAT'S NECESSARY, UH, AND DO THE CONTINUATION DISCONTINUING OF SERVICES BY, UH, TRI, UH, IT'S TK, TK HEALTH, TK HEALTH TURNKEY, TURNKEY HEALTH. 
          UH, REQUEST, UH, INCLUDES LICENSING, WIRELESS SERVICE, AND CLOUD-BASED MONITORING SYSTEMS. SO THIS IS, UH, A SYSTEM THAT WAS NOT OPERATING CORRECTLY UNDER TURNKEY. 
          IT IS IN THEIR CONTRACT. 
          AND SO THIS, THIS NEW SYSTEM HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY MUCH FLAWLESSLY, UH, CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY, UH, HAVE BEEN GOOD. 
          AND, AND, UH, THIS IS ALSO, UH, AFTER OCTOBER, OR IS IT FEBRUARY, DID YOU SAY? FEBRUARY? FEBRUARY. 
          THAT WILL REDUCE THE CONTRACT WITH TK, UH, TURNKEY HEALTH BY, BY 12,000 APPROXIMATELY. 
          SO THAT 24, UH, IS OFFSET IN SOME WAY WITH THAT. 
          SO IT'D BE 24,000 TO US, BUT IT WOULD REDUCE THEIR CONTRACT 
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THIS NEXT YEAR BY 12. 
          SO PROBABLY GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTION COMMISSIONER TY'S ABOUT TO ASK. 
          SO PART , THANK YOU. 
          UH, TURNKEY IS, UH, HAS TO PROVIDE IT AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM, YET WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT. 
          UM, SHOULDN'T WE JUST DEDUCT FROM THEIR CONTRACT OR, AND THAT'S OR MAKE THEM, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD, THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          BUT THEIR CONTRACT, UH, I THINK THE MEMO'S FEBRUARY OR WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO BACK INTO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THE FEBRUARY POINT COMES IN, IS WHEN WE APPROVE THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE'RE UNDER, WHICH IS $12,000 THAT WE'RE GONNA GET BACK. 
          IT, IT'S NOT NOT DOING WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE, THERE'S TROUBLE WITH IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO CAN WE NOT JUST TELL TURNKEY TO GO TO THIS NEW SYSTEM THAT WORKS AND, AND DO IT UNDER THEIR CONTRACT OR AS WHEREAS OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM, WE, WE PROVIDE THE SOFTWARE FOR THEM TO USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE OVERWATCH SYSTEM IS INCORPORATED IN THE TURNKEY HEALTH CONTRACT. 
          THE FIRST GENERATION OF THE OVERWATCH SYSTEM WAS CONNECTED BY, BY BLUETOOTH. 
          IT DIDN'T WORK WELL IN THE FACILITY. 
          SO WE, AS AN ALEX GRAY WORKED WITH THE OVERWATCH PEOPLE AND SAID, NO, YOU GOTTA MAKE THIS A, A WHITE AREA NETWORK OR A LAND NETWORK, SO WHERE YOU'RE CONNECTING TO THE DROPS. 
          AND ALEX WORKED WITH THEM, GOT THEM TO WORK. 
          SO WE RE-IMPLEMENTED THE OVERWATCH SYSTEM WITH TURNKEY BECAUSE WE GOT THE, THE, THE MAKER OF OVERWATCH TO DO WHAT WE ASKED. 
          SO THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN TK HEALTH AND OVERWATCH. 
          SO WE'RE GOING AFTER, WE LIKE THE SERVICE, IT WORKS WELL. 
          WE PUT IT ON ALL OF OUR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING THROUGH DETOX, HAVING, UH, MEDICAL ISSUES. 
          IT'S REAL TIME VITALS. 
          IT NOTIFIES US WHEN HEART RATES GO DOWN, BLOOD PRESSURES GO UP. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REAL TIME. 
          IT NOTIFIES, IT EVEN GOES ONTO OUR RFID SCANNERS. 
          SO IF AN OFFICER IS NOT CLOSE TO THERE, THEY SEE, OH, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS INMATE, I NEED TO GO CHECK ON HIM. 
          SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE, THE NEW CONTRACT OR IF WE RENEW WITH TUR, UH, TK HEALTH, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CONTRACT IS WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S UP, BUT WELL REMEMBER IT, IT, IT DID THEN WHAT? THEY STARTED WITH US LIKE OCTOBER 1ST. 
          OCTOBER 1ST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO OCTOBER 1ST, THE REDUCTION OF $12,000 WILL COME OFF. 
          THE TURNKEY CONTRACT AT $12,000 CAN THEN BE REALLOCATED TO THE OVERWATCH SYSTEM, WHICH LEAVING US A BALANCE FOR THE 12 WILL BE 24,000. 
          BUT OUR BA, OUR NEW BALANCE THAT WE'D HAVE TO FIND IS THE 12,000 TO CONTINUE THE OVERWATCH CONTRACT. 
          GOT IT. 
          DO WE HAVE BUY-IN FROM TURNKEY ON THIS NEW SYSTEM? OH, TURNKEY DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH OVERWATCH ANYMORE. 
          THEY WANT TO, THEY WANNA SEPARATE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT TURNKEY IS STILL GOING TO ADMINISTER OUR HEALTH OR OUR YES. 
          THEY'RE STILL GONNA, THEY'RE STILL GONNA RESPOND TO THE, THE, THE SIGNALS THAT THEY SEE RECEIVE FROM OVERWATCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO CEOS AND THEY WANNA SEPARATE EACH OTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          BOY, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LEAVE US STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF, WE WANT TO USE THIS SYSTEM. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY OUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER FOR THE INMATES. 
          YOU USE THIS SYSTEM. 
          WE DON'T LIKE THAT SYSTEM. 
          WE'RE NOT USING THAT SYSTEM. 
          OR IF YOU SAY SO, WE WILL, BUT IT'S NOT OUR SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, BUT I, I CAN TELL THEM I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. 
          TURNKEY, I'M USING THIS, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT ADEQUATE AS TO WHAT WE NEED. 
          BUT THIS TURN, UH, OVERWATCH SYSTEM IS, AND IT MONITORS THE HEALTH THAT IT IS NOT THE GUARDIAN THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT NEXT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY TURNKEY THAT WATCHES AFTER THESE INMATES, BUT OUR DETENTION OFFICERS ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN THE COUNTY TO LOOK AFTER THE WELLBEING OF THESE INMATES. 
          SO IT BEHOOVES US TO HAVE THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUR INMATES COME IN WHO ARE DRUG ADDICTING, AND THIS REALLY BENEFITS US. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING NOT, NOT JUST THE SOFTWARE, IT'S ACTUALLY SOME DUTIES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT REMOVED FROM TURNKEY 
          [03:20:01]
NOW. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I, I MAY HAVE, AS A JAIL ADMINISTRATOR, MAY HAVE SOME CONFLICTS WITH A PROVIDER OR THEY CALL, THEY CALL 'EM PROVIDERS, THE DOCTOR. 
          AND IF I, IF I FEEL THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL NEEDS TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA OVERRIDE THAT DOCTOR AND SEND 'EM TO THE, SEND 'EM TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE I FEEL SOMETHING IS WRONG. 
          IT'S JUST COVERING THE COUNTY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE TURNKEY, OUR, OUR, OUR IN-HOUSE, OUR STAFF OF TURNKEY, IT'S IN-HOUSE, WOULD RESPOND TO AN ISSUE WITH AN INMATE. 
          IT'S NOT THAT THEY WOULD NOT RESPOND TO THAT ISSUE. 
          THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, NO, IT, IT, IT, IT IT DOES, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE MONITORING, IT'S THE MONITORING OF THAT MAKES THIS MORE EFFICIENT THAN WHAT TURNKEY NO, I, I, I, I GET THAT. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE THEIR SYSTEM AND WE'VE SAID, YOUR SYSTEM IS INSUFFICIENT, WE, WE WANT THIS SYSTEM. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IN A, IN A FUTURE CONTRACT WITH 'EM TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING. 
          NOT, NOT ONLY IS THE GUARDIAN SYSTEM, WE GET THE $12,000 CREDIT, THERE MAY BE MORE CREDITS THERE BASED ON, ON THE CONTRACT, RENEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT PAGE? OKAY. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, 23,820 FOR ANNUAL EXPENSE FOR THE GUARDIAN RFID SOFTWARE AND EQUIPMENT PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS MONITORING, UH, SOFTWARE, UH, AND HARDWARE ALSO THAT, UM, FACILITATES THE MOVEMENT AND PLACEMENT OF INMATES, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO COURT. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A REAL TIME, UH, SOFTWARE THAT WE CAN TELL WHERE THE INMATES ARE, WHAT THEIR MEDICAL NEEDS ARE, WHEN THE CHECKS NEED TO BE DONE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A THING CALLED, THAT'S WHAT COMMAND CLOUD IS ON, CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          UH, COMMAND CLOUD, IT TELLS A MORE REAL TIME OF HOW, HOW MANY MINUTES LEFT ON A A CELL CHECK. 
          IF SOMEONE IS IN SPECIAL POPULATION, UH, WHAT DIFFERENT STATUS THEY'RE ON, IF THEY'RE ON AN ICE DETAINER, IF THEY'RE ON SUICIDE WATCH, UM, IF THEY'RE GOING TO A FORENSIC FACILITY, UH, KEEP SEPARATES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SPECIAL DIETS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT TAKES US TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          ACCURATE CONTROLS. 
          JUST JUST ONE COMMENT, I JUST, 'CAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF, UM, ON YOUR MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT, THIS, FOR WHENEVER WE GET INTO THIS, THEY GIVE US NO WARRANTY AT ALL. 
          I MEAN, THEY DISCLAIM EVERY WARRANTY. 
          THERE'S ZERO WARRANTIES, WHICH I JUST REALLY DISLIKE. 
          THEY DON'T EVEN SAY THEIR EQUIPMENT WILL WORK FOR THE PURPOSE IT SENDS FOR, THEY DISCLAIM THAT. 
          SO WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, UNLESS THIS IS ALREADY SIGNED UP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, IF WE'RE GONNA SIGN THIS UP, JUST A NOTE FOR YOU GUYS AND FOR OUR LEGAL STAFF THAT SOME, I DON'T LIKE SOMEBODY BEING ABLE TO TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE ME ANY WARRANTY AT ALL ON THEIR PRODUCT AND THEN CHARGING ME FOR IT. 
          WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, RIA AND CRAIG AND THEIR LAWYERS. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD TWO, UH, DEEP CONVERSATIONS AND, UH, THAT STUFF'S GONNA BE, UH, REWRITTEN. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO YOU'RE A STEP AHEAD OF ME, LIKE USUAL, AND, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY INTO THIS PRODUCT, SO WE ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO EVEN ON THE ORIGINAL ONES, UH, THAT WAS SENT THROUGH LEGAL BEFORE WE ACTUALLY STARTED THAT, SO, BUT IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING VISED. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ONE. 
          THE ACCURATE CONTROLS, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY JUST A PLACEHOLDER. 
          THIS IS, UH, OUR ACCURATE CONTROLS IS OUR, UH, CONTROLLING SYSTEM OF ALL THE DOORS AND THE CAMERAS AND WHO WE LET IN AND OUTTA THE FACILITY. 
          SO THIS, OUR SERVICE, CURRENT SERVICE CONTRACT ENDS IN CO WELL, SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          SO, UH, NO, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS FEBRUARY 14TH. 
          THAT'S WHY CHIEF, I CHIEF SAID IT EARLIER, BUT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH PLAN WE WANT TO GO TO. 
          AND THEY HAVE THE BRONZE, SILVER, AND THE GOLD. 
          UM, ME AS A JAIL ADMINISTRATOR WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GOLD BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ME MORE VISITS FROM THEIR TECHNICAL PERSONNEL TO MY FACILITY WITHOUT GETTING EXTRA CHARGED. 
          BUT I KNOW, UH, WE NEED TO 
          [03:25:01]
TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND WHAT WE, UH, ANTICIPATE. 
          SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE IT DEPARTMENT, BARRY, AND MYSELF, TO COME UP WITH THE, THE BEST RECOMMENDATION FOR Y'ALL. 
          DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THIS RIGHT NOW? WE DO HAVE, WHICH PROGRAM DO YOU HAVE? WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SILVER PLAN AND THE, THE EXPENSES ON THEIR TRAVEL WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY'RE LIMITED ON A CERTAIN NUMBER, IS IT PER YEAR? UH, BUT WHEN THEY COME OUT, SO AFTER THAT IT, IT INCREASES, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          AND THIS IS A COMPANY THAT, THAT BARRY DEALS WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER STACY'S RUBBING HIS EYES, SO HE KNOWS , HE KNOWS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT SILVER PLANS OH, AND ARE PAYING YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IF WE STUDIED THE SAVINGS, IT WOULD BE, IF WE WENT TO A MORE EXPENSIVE PLAN, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, HAVE, UH, BARRY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'D BE, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THAT IF WE, IF WE HAD BEEN ON GOLD LAST TIME, WHAT WOULD THAT HAVE MEANT FOR HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD TO CALL 'EM OUT? IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS TO LOOK AT TOO IS THE SYSTEM AGES, AND IT IS BEGINNING TO AGE IS PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, WARRANTY. 
          HMM. 
          AND I, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD LEAD TO A CONVERSATION OF WHY ISN'T THE SYSTEM WORKING? AND IS THAT OUR FAULT, THEIR FAULT? SHOULD WE LOOK AT ANOTHER SUPPLIER ALTOGETHER? CAN WE LOOK AT ANOTHER SUPPLIER? IS THIS PROPRIETARY EQUIPMENT OR ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT IS AN ALLOCATION OF, UH, $40,000, UH, TO OFFICIALLY INCORPORATE THE ROCKWELL COUNTY EQUINE THERAPY PROGRAM, UH, INTO THE BUDGET. 
          UH, THIS PROGRAM HAS DEMONSTRATED SUCCESS ACHIEVING 84.62 SUCCESS RATE IN 2024, MAINTAINING A 0% RECIDIVISM RATE, AT LEAST WITHIN ROCKWALL COUNTY, UH, WITH THESE INMATES WHO HAVE BEEN, BEEN THROUGH THIS AND RECEIVED, UH, HIGH MARKS ON THEIR, UH, EVALUATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SHERIFF, YOU SAY THIS HAS AN 84.62% SUCCESS RATE. 
          I MEAN, THESE STATS WERE PRETTY IMPRESSIVE HERE, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS SUC, WHAT DOES SUCCESS MEAN THERE? 84.62% SUCCESS RATE. 
          THE IN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE, UM, GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED, WE HAVE SEEN 84% SUCCESS RATE WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHAT DOES SUCCESS MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEASURE IT? WELL, AS, AS THEM NOT COMING BACK TO THE FACILITY BEING ARRESTED AGAIN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S, BUT THEN IT SAYS MAINTAINING A 0% RECIDIVISM, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUCCESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT UP MY QUESTION. 
          WE SAID WE HAVE 84%, BUT THEN NOBODY'S COME BACK TO JAIL, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 
          WHAT'S THE SUCCESS RATE OF THE 84? I MEAN, SO A HUNDRED PEOPLE, A HUNDRED PERCENT GO INTO THE PROGRAM, 84% SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          OF THE 84% OF THOSE, NOBODY IS 0%. 
          YEAH. 
          IT HAS COME BACK. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY TO GET IN THE WEEDS THERE. 
          WE MADE OUR WAY THROUGH IT THOUGH. 
          BUT DID WE , ARE, ARE WE DOING THE EQUINE AGAIN THIS YEAR? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, NORMALLY SHE'S THERE ON, UH, WEDNESDAYS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE ARE INVOLVED IN ANOTHER PROGRAM. 
          BUT YOU'LL BE RECEIVING INFORMATION ON, ON A GRADUATION HERE PRETTY SOON. 
          UH, WE'RE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN KELLY AIKEN, UH, WHO IS OUR, UH, STAFF PSYCHOLOGIST IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. 
          I, I HADN'T LOOKED AT LAST YEAR, BUT I THINK I REMEMBER THAT BEING WHAT WE PAID HER, THIS BUDGET. 
          SO SHE'S ASKING FOR THE, IT'S, IT'S A 5% INCREASE, SIR. 
          5% INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS ON HERS TOO. 
          YES, HERS. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE IS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE TRAINING, UH, ONLINE TRAINING ACADEMY. 
          THIS IS THE OSS ACADEMY QUOTE, AND THAT'S THE, UH, $8,442 AND THE INCREASE, UH, FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY PAYS IN THE COST OF THE SUBSCRIPTION FEE. 
          [03:30:07]
ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? HOW ARE YOU GUYS LIKING THE TABS DOWN THERE? IS THAT WORKING OUT ? I FEEL SLIGHTLY LESS IRRITATED NOW THAT I HAVE TABS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT AND LUNCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          LUNCH MIGHT HAVE HELPED, YOU KNOW, GOT A SNICKER BAR. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO BE ANNOYING. 
          FIRE WHITE. 
          THERE IS, UM, YOU CAN PASS THAT AROUND. 
          THERE IS, UH, AN IDEA AS CIRCULATING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE JAIL, UM, THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD BE TO MOVE SOME OF THE JAIL MAINTENANCE PEOPLE INTO OUR REGULAR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE THREE POSITIONS IN THE JAIL FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MEMO THERE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL AND STAFFING. 
          UM, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE TIME TO MAKE THE DECISION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PASS THE MEMO AROUND AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ADDING, UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY ADD A PERSON TO THE HEADCOUNT. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ADD A PERSON TO THE HEADCOUNT, BUT, UM, IT REALLY IS ABOUT TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE MAINTENANCE STAFF. 
          UM, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR Y'ALL TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE ESCORT SERVICE WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HERE. 
          UM, ONE, ONE, NO, I'M JUST SAYING ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THAT WE CAN'T JUST NOT HAVE PEOPLE IN THE JAIL AND IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER THAT AREN'T RELATED TO MAINTENANCE. 
          BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTRACTORS, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL THAT NEED TO BE ESCORTED AROUND THE FACILITY. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE THESE THREE PEOPLE OVER AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE FREE REIGN OF RUNNING AROUND THE JAIL AND KEEPING IT MAINTAINED. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE, UH, OF, OF A PROCESS. 
          SO THEY'RE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE ESCORT THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT SCENARIO THAT I PUT IN THE MEMO HAS US ADDING AN EMPLOYEE TO BARRY'S PART OF THE BUDGET AND LEAVING SOMEONE IN THE JAIL THAT COULD KIND OF OVERSEE BOTH SIDES OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, MEANING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE JAIL, AND HELP ESCORT FOLKS AROUND. 
          SO WE, WE'VE GOT JUST AN OVERSIGHT CHANGE IS WHAT, WHAT OUR, UM, OF MANAGEMENT MOSTLY YEAH. 
          THAT WE'RE HAVING. 
          THERE'S SOME, IN TALKING TO BARRY, THERE'S UM, SOMETIMES SOME ISSUES OF HAVING AN, AN ESCORT AVAILABLE, UM, TO GET THESE GUYS AROUND AND GET THEIR JOB DONE WITHOUT IT TAKING A TREMENDOUSLY LONG TIME TO GET A SIMPLE REPAIR DONE. 
          AND UM, SO HOW WOULD THIS REMEDY? 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON TO ESCORT THEM AROUND AND THEY'LL ALL BE UNDER BARRY'S. 
          I SEE. 
          SUPER. 
          THEY'LL BE UNDER BARRY'S SUPERVISION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, REPORTING TO BARRY, UM, RATHER THAN KIND OF BEING ON THEIR OWN OVER THERE, BUT STATIONED THAT AT THE FACILITY, I'LL REPORT TO HIM IN THE MORNING. 
          FIRST THEY WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DAY'S TASKS ARE. 
          IT'LL BE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO ATTACK THE ISSUES OVER THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY THERE TO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE INCREASING THE HEADCOUNT THAT, THAT ONE, ONE PERSON BY ONE PERSON TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ESCORT PEOPLE AROUND. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH AS I KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS ONE BRIEF CONVERSATION. 
          AND SO NOW I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE SHERIFF TO KIND OF MAYBE DISCUSS MORE OF WHAT THEY SEE STIRRED UP, THROW THE SHERIFF UNDER THAT. 
          THAT'S IT, . 
          THAT THAT IS IT. 
          SO THE, THE ESCORTING PERSON, THE PERSON DOING THE ESCORTING IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OR NOT, OR A DETENTION OFFICER. 
          DE A DETENTION OFFICER. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO WE'LL BE A DETENTION OFFICER. 
          SO NOW, UH, CURRENTLY, LIKE WE HAVE MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL WHO ARE DETENTION OFFICERS AND MANY TIMES THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO CALL A PERSON, UH, HVAC OR PLUMBER, WHATEVER IN, AND THEY STILL HAVE TO WATCH THEM ESCORT THEM THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, GIVE BARRY THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE AN ACTUAL MAINTENANCE PERSON. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, TRAINED IN CERTAIN DISCIPLINE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD STILL, UH, ENGAGE A DETENTION OFFICER TO ESCORT THAT PERSON AND WATCH IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING THE SAME TASK, BASICALLY. 
          HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT TIES UP ONE OUR OF OUR DETENTION OFFICERS WATCHING A GUY DO, DO WHATEVER CHANGE AC FILTERS OR, UH, I MEAN, ONE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE 
          [03:35:01]
A MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL WHO'S A DETENTION OFFICER WATCHING SOMEONE WHO'S MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL . 
          OKAY. 
          GOVERNMENT WORK THERE, THERE, THERE'S GOVERNMENT RIGHT THERE. 
          . 
          WELL, IT'S TYPICALLY AN OUTSIDE VENDOR, LIKE YEAH. 
          AN OUTSIDE, AN OUTSIDE VENDOR LIKE THE DISHWASHER REPAIRMAN OR THE OVEN REPAIRMAN COME IN. 
          BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE INMATES THAT ARE IN THOSE AREAS AND YOU CAN'T ALLOW JUST ANYBODY TO COME IN AND WORK ON SOMETHING WITHOUT SUPERVISION TO MAKE SURE THE INMATES AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. 
          BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL IS ACTING APPROPRIATELY TOO, WITH THE INMATES. 
          GOT IT. 
          THIS COULD MAKE THE OPERATIONS IN THE JAIL MORE EFFICIENT AND BARRY'S MAINTENANCE OPERATION MORE EFFICIENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          SO WHEN YOU DON'T NEED 'EM IN THE JAIL, THEN BARRY CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT IN HIS DEPARTMENT? WELL, I MEAN, TO BE FAIR, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE JAIL OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THERE. 
          THE, THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE THERE 95 TO 98% OF THE TIME. 
          IT'S JUST ABOUT KIND OF THAT, THAT FOLLOW UP AND JUST, JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE UTILIZING OUR TIME AND OUR TALENTS APPROPRIATELY. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE. 
          UM, I MEAN, BARRY WILL BE HERE IN, IN A WEEK, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER FOLKS THAT CAN GO FIX THINGS AROUND THE COUNTY. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO ADD A COUPLE MORE SO THAT WE CAN GET THINGS MORE EFFICIENTLY CORRECTED AND MORE TECHNICIANS, MORE MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS IS THE WORD I WAS SEARCHING FOR. 
          AND SO THIS WAS JUST A WAY WE SAW WE COULD DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, IF IT'S MORE, MORE EFFICIENT INSTEAD OF PAYING TWO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS. 
          'CAUSE TYPICALLY THE, THE GOVERNMENT SOLUTION, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING THE SAME THING, IS TO HIRE A MANAGER TO WATCH 'EM BOTH . 
          SO I, I, I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS. 
          WE'RE ADDING ONE PORTFOLIO. 
          WE, WE ARE, WE ARE ADDING. 
          SO YOU THINK JUST WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES, DOING WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES, HIRE SOMEBODY TO WATCH 'EM. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AT 1 47 WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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