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ALL RIGHT.IT IS 9:00 AM WE ARE AT THE HISTORIC COURT HOUSE.
GONNA CALL THE REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO ORDER.
GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER LICHTY TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER GOANA TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.
YOU HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE DAY.
YOU, US, WE THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY GIVEN US, OR GIVE US WISDOM, GRACE, AND HUMILITY.
I PRAY, PROTECTION, GOD, OVER ALL THOSE WHO ARE OUT WORKING FOR OUR SAFETY, OUR FIREMEN, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, THE MILITARY, AND I PRAY TODAY, ESPECIALLY FOR PEACE, JERUSALEM, THROUGHOUT ALL THESE THINGS.
ALRIGHT, AMERICAN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO LACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
STRAW, TEXAS FLAG, HONOR, TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
[1. PUBLIC FORUM]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.PUBLIC FORM IS PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
ONE PERSON HAS SIGNED UP MR. BRIAN MCNEIL, MAYOR OF MCLENDON CHISHOLM.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, SEEMS LIKE MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO SHINE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY, NO MATTER IF IT'S THE STENCH FROM A MAIN SEWER LINE BREAK OR A BLOG.
I WANTED TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOU, YOUR LEADERSHIP SHOWS, AND EACH OF YOU AS INDIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS A COLLECTIVE TEAM, NO MATTER WHEN ALIGNED OR WHEN AT DIFFERENCE, YOU SEEM TO GIVE THE EXAMPLE THAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW.
WITH THAT, WITH TEAMWORK AND RESPECTFUL COMMUNICATION, WE CAN ALL FIND PATHS THAT DELIVER FOR EVERYONE.
WITH THAT SAID, I WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE SEWER LINE BREAK THAT WAS DISCOVERED ON LAST TUESDAY, THE 17TH OF JUNE.
AS YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAD EYES ON THE BREAK, WE TOOK IMMEDIATE AND SWIFT ACTION.
OUR FIRST DISCUSSION WAS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE PEOPLE IN A TRUE TEAM MOVE.
ALL STAFF WAS MAKING CALLS AND WORKING TO SEE THE FASTEST PATH AND STOPPING THE FLOW, AND THEN REPAIRING IT.
THIS WAS DONE IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER AND RESULTED IN THE LINE, STOPPED WITHIN THE HOUR CREWS DIGGING AND REPAIRING.
AND WITHIN FOUR HOURS FROM THE FIND OF THE BREAK, WE WERE REPAIRED.
THE NEXT PHASE WAS MAKING SURE WE NOW WERE ON THE CLEANUP BY 7:00 PM ENVIRO SERVE WAS ON SITE AND WERE DROPPING HOSE IN THE AREA TO SUCK UP ANY CONTAMINATION.
MYSELF AND BOTH CHIEF SIMMONS AND CHIEF STYLE WERE ON SITE UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT, AND WE WERE BACKED BY 5:00 AM TO KNOW THE STATUS AND WHAT WAS DONE AT THIS POINT.
OVER 50,000 GALLONS OF WASTE HAD BEEN REMOVED YESTERDAY, THE MICRO BACKS AND MICRO BLAZE HAD BEGUN BEING DEPLOYED.
THIS IS THE SCIENCE SIDE OF IT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE TRUE FULL CLEANUP.
THE PROCESS IS A FEW WEEKS, AND WE JUST COMPLETED WEEK ONE OF A WEEK, A THREE WEEK PROCESS.
NEXT WEEK, WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL TRUCKS ON SITE TO DEPLOY MORE OF THESE MICRO BACKS INTO THE AREA.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY CREATE A DAM, UNLIKE THE OTHER ONE, TO CAUSE WHAT THEY CALL A FLOOD OF THE SOIL.
BUT IT IS TRULY TO SET UP A FLUSH OF THE SYSTEM.
THE MICRO BACKS WILL DEPLOY INTO THE WATER, AND IT WILL ACTUALLY EAT ALL THE BAD BACTERIA.
IT'S FIGHTING BACTERIA WITH BACTERIA.
THE FOLLOWING WEEK WILL BE ANOTHER FLUSH AND ANOTHER AREA LONG, AND EACH TIME THEY WILL DO SPOT TREATMENTS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS WILL BE A FULL CLEANUP AND WILL BE SAFE ALSO.
NO WATER SUPPLY WAS EVER AT RISK.
NATURE WILL ALSO HELP IN THE BREAKDOWN AS WELL.
AND WE WILL DO ANOTHER RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AS I AM ALWAYS FOR TRANSPARENCY.
LASTLY, I WANNA THANK THE SWIFT ACTION BY JUDGE NEW IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING WE WOULD NEED IN MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM, THE COMMISSIONERS FOR BEING THERE.
COMMISSIONER LICHTY FOR COMING ON SITE AND TAKING A TOUR AND BEING BRIEFED DIRECTLY ON THE IMPACT TO MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM, THE ROCKWELL COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR COMING ON SITE TO HELP WALK THE CREEKS AND ROADS TO FIND ALL PATHS THAT WERE IMPACTED.
THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR DEPLOYING ONE OF ITS DEPUTIES WITH THE DRONES.
SO WE COULD SEE AREAS THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET TO.
AND VIRO SERVE INFRA MARK AND DOUBLE R FOR ALL BEING ON THIS IN A VERY RAPID RESPONSE TO THE MAYORS OF HEATH AND ROCKWALL IN OFFERING ANYTHING THEY COULD TO ASSIST.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANNA THANK THE STAFF OF MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM, OUR CITY MANAGER, STAYING ON THIS AND CHECKING THROUGH THE NIGHT UP TO, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE ALL
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FED OUR MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDING TRAFFIC CONTROL SO THAT WE COULD CONCENTRATE ON THE REPAIR AND CLEANUP, BOTH CHIEF SIMMONS AND CHIEF STYLE, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM JERRY BREWER, FOR BEING ON SITE.ALL OUR COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND THEY ALL OFFERED TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY THEY COULD.
THIS IS WHAT TEAMWORK IS, IS ABOUT WORKING TOWARDS SOLUTIONS AND FINDING PATHS TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE THE HONOR TO REPRESENT ANYTHING ELSE IS THE ACTUAL REAL SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
AND, AND HATS OFF TO MCCLENDON CHISHOLM.
YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB COMMUNICATING FROM, FROM, FROM THE GET GO, SO WELL DONE.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? UH, ACTUALLY, UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS LIKE THAT, BUT IF THEY HAVE TO, I'LL SPEAK IN PUBLIC SESSION RIGHT NOW.
HATS OFF TO MAYOR MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM, AND TO THE WHOLE CITY, AND WHAT THEY DID SAW REAL TEAMWORK OUT THERE.
AND I WANNA THANK, I DON'T WANNA SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HELP ON THAT.
THEY WERE OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY.
I GOT A VERY KIND LETTER FROM JUDGE OR MAYOR MCNEIL, WHICH I WAS GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD, BUT IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY NOW.
WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, AND WE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.
AND WE, WE HOPE THAT THIS RESOLVES ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS AND WE NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AGAIN.
SEEING NO ONE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS THE COURT UNDER THE PUBLIC FORM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO,
[2. Discussion of 89th Legislative Session, Update/Overview County-related bills, action on resolution in support of or opposition to any pending actions or bills, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]
DISCUSSION OF THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS, ACTION ON RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY PENDING ACTIONS OR BILLS, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER ALANA, READY TO GO? I'M READY.
SO, UH, SOME INTERESTING THINGS HAVE HAPPENED EVEN THOUGH SESSION IS OVER AND WE ALL TOOK A DEEP BREATH AND THOUGHT WE WERE SAFE FROM THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, AGAIN, AS PER COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A SPECIAL SESSION CALLED, UH, FOR JULY 21ST STARTING.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA, AND THERE'S STILL TIME TO ADD TO THIS.
SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE COVERED.
UH, BUT SENATE BILL THREE IS ONE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE MEDIA A TON.
THAT WAS THE THC BAN HEMP REGULATION BILL.
THE GOVERNOR VETOED THAT AND, UH, SET IT FOR THE SPECIAL SESSION SAYING HE WOULD RATHER HAVE REGULATION, UM, VERSUS A BAN.
SENATE BILL 6 48, UM, IS A BILL, UH, RECORDING REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN INSTRUMENTS CONCERNING PROPERTY.
IT'S ABOUT DEEDING AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
UH, SOME OF THESE ARE KIND OF NARROWLY FOCUSED BILLS THAT WERE FOCUSED ON CERTAIN PLACES, SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD TO SEE 'EM IN A SPECIAL SESSION, BUT THEY'RE THERE.
SENATE BILL 1253 IS GONNA BE TALKED ABOUT IN SPECIAL SESSION.
UM, IT'S RELATING TO FEES FOR CERTAIN WATER PROJECTS AND WELLS, SENATE BILL 1278, UM, RELATING TO AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION FOR VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING OF PERSONS OR COMPELLING PROSTITUTION.
SO THE GOVERNOR WANTS MORE STRINGENT POLICIES ON THAT SENATE BILL 1758 RELATING TO THE OPERATION OF A CEMENT, UH, PRODUCTION FACILITY, BASICALLY NEAR A SEMICONDUCTOR.
THIS IS ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC AREA IN TEXAS.
AND THEN SENATE BILL 28 78, WHICH WAS THE ONE THAT I WOKE UP TO YESTERDAY.
AND, UM, AND STARTED MY MORNING OFF, UH, RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT IS THE BILL THAT HAD OUR 503RD DISTRICT COURT ON IT, AND IT WAS VETOED.
UM, IT WAS NOT VETOED BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE US A COURT.
THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES, UM, THAT HAD NEW DISTRICT COURTS BEING STOOD UP, UM, THAT ALSO LOST THEIRS IN THAT VETO.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE FINE.
I THINK FROM EVERYTHING THAT I'M GATHERING, I THINK WE'LL GET IT.
THE ONLY RISK IS THE WHOLE REASON THIS ENTIRE BILL WAS VETOED REALLY, IS THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT EXP EXPANSIONS OF RECORDS, UH, BURIED WITHIN THIS BILL.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO CERTAIN DIVERSION PROGRAMS OR CERTAIN PROGRAMS OUTSIDE OF THE COURT SETTING, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR RECORD EXPUNGED AUTOMATICALLY.
THE GOVERNOR DID NOT LIKE THAT FOR CERTAIN CRIMES, AND SO HE WANTS THIS HURT.
HE REALLY WANTS THAT PIECE REMOVED FROM, UH, SENATE BILL 28 78.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE WON'T HAVE AN ISSUE, UM, WITH THAT HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN, UH, GET OUR COURT, UM, BACK, UH, BACK APPROVED AGAIN.
DID YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, THE ONE THAT, THERE WAS ANOTHER BRACKET BILL THAT WAS TCEQ, THAT WAS IN JOHNSON COUNTY, SO THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN, IN HIS, IN HIS.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS ONE ON, UM, SENATE BILL 25 20 THAT HAS TO DO WITH TEA APPOINTED BOARD OF MANAGERS AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT AFFECTS, UM, UM, OPEN RECORDS MEETINGS.
DID YOU SAY THAT ONE? I'M SORRY.
I WAS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH
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OUT AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE NA THE, THE NUMBERS AS QUICKLY AS YOU DO.SO, UM, AND THEN I THINK ONE, UM, OUR, OUR COUNTY CLERK, MAYBE ONE THAT ALSO GOT PUT INTO THAT ALSO WAS, WAS ONE THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, IF THEY ARE SCAMMING ON THEIR, ON THEIR, UM, ON THEIR, THEIR, UM, RECORDS WITH, UM, SENATE BILL, WHICH ONE? 6 48.
I HAD THAT ONE IN HERE, SO SEVERAL OF THEM WERE IN THERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING SECOND, UM, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY RECONVENE.
AGAIN, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE COMMISSIONERS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO, UH, TRY TO GET US TO AT LEAST PASS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE FIVE OH THIRD, UM, UH, BOBBY, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO AT LEAST WE CAN HAND THAT BACK TO OUR REPS, UM, ON, ON THE NEXT COURT.
AND, AND I'VE BEEN IN CO I WAS IN CONTACT WITH BOTH OUR REPS YESTERDAY, UM, AND OTHERS, UM, BESIDES OUR, OUR REPS.
AND SO ALL ASSURED ME THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE GOOD, BUT I THINK A RESOLUTION WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, HEY, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER GOANA.
UM, WHEN I READ ONE OF THE, THE NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT THIS, IT SAID THAT ON THE THC BILL THAT GOVERNOR ABBOTT SAID IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE OF ARKANSAS.
THERE'S ALREADY BEEN, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN ARKANSAS.
HE SAID THAT IT WOULD NOT, THE BILL IS WRITTEN, WOULD NOT STAND UP IN COURT, THAT IT WOULD BE, IT, IT, IT BASICALLY WOULD BE POINTLESS THAT THEY WOULD SPIN THEIR WHEELS, SPEND A BUNCH OF TIME ON IT, END UP IN A LAWSUIT AND LOSE, BECAUSE THERE'S PRECEDENT AGAINST IT ALREADY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT CASE.
BUT, BUT WHAT IT DID IS THEY WERE ABLE TO REGULATE, IT UNDID THE ENTIRE BILL, AND SO THEY HAD A COMPLETELY UNREGULATED THC UH, UH, BASICALLY INDUSTRY IN ARKANSAS FOR OVER TWO YEARS WHILE THEY TRY TO FIX IT.
SO GOVERNOR ABBOTT SAYS, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO CREATE GUARDRAILS THAT WOULD HOLD UP IN COURT RATHER THAN JUST A BILL THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY OVERTURNED IN DISTRICT COURT.
THE SECOND THAT YOU, THAT YOU PASS IT.
I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT I READ ABOUT THE ARKANSAS STUFF, BUT, BUT WHAT IT DID IS IT CREATED A, THE EXACT OPPOSITE, A COMPLETELY UNREGULATED INDUSTRY FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS WHILE THE LEGISLATORS FIGURED OUT HOW TO BUILD GUARDRAILS FOR IT.
UM, AND SO, AND, AND WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DEEMED CERTAIN LEVELS OF HEMP AND THC COMPLETELY LEGAL.
SO, SO BANNING IT GOES COMPLETELY AGAINST THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON THE CONTROL OF THAT SUBSTANCE.
AND THEREFORE, IT, IT, IT, IT HAS SOME FEDERAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPERIORITY STUFF THAT, THAT FALLS INTO THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO IS 'CAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DEEMED THESE PRODUCTS SAFE AND LEGAL, AND THEN THE STATE SAYS NO, AND THEN WHO WINS? AND ARKANSAS LOST.
WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
WE WILL, UH, GET HYDRATED AND PREPARE FOR ROUND TWO.
[3. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
RIGHT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE COURTROOM EDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER GUANO, COME ON UP.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET YOU SOME WALKUP MUSIC.
WE, WE DO LIKE, LIKE, LIKE MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
UM, SO NOT A WHOLE LOT TO UPDATE OTHER THAN WE'VE, UH, ISSUED THE OR NOT.
WE'VE RECOMMENDED THE LAST APPLICATION FOR PAYMENT, UM, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO NOW.
UM, EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD.
CONSTRUCTION'S ON SCHEDULE, ON TIME, ON BUDGET.
UH, NO MORE SURPRISES THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT.
UM, THE, THE ONLY UPDATE WE DO HAVE IS WE'RE EXPECTING A PCO, WHICH WILL BE A CHANGE ORDER FOR AV.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY THE COUNTY RUNS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT, BUT WE FOUND IT BETTER AFTER CONVERSATION TO RUN IT INTO THIS CONTRACT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT IN.
IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE DESIGN OR NEVER MISSED IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
IT WAS ALWAYS JUST SUPPOSED TO RUN SEPARATELY.
UH, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE IT ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL.
SO INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WE'RE GONNA RUN IT IN THE CONTRACT, UH, FOR THIS ONE, UH, TO KEEP IT NICE AND CLEAN, UH, WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.
UH, BUT THAT'LL BE COMING HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS ONCE THE CONTRACTOR CAN GET BLOOM UNDER CONTRACT AND THEN ISSUE US A PCO AND THEN THAT'LL TURN TO A CHANGE ORDER.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? ALL RIGHT.
[4. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the planned County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AN ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE PLANNED COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, WE DO.
WE NEED TO GET SOME WALKUP MUSIC.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL THINK OF SOMETHING FOR NICO THAT'S, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
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SONG WILL GET YOU GEARED UP.LEMME JUST GET THIS DOCUMENT PULLED UP.
ALL RIGHT, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO GIVE THIS BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ROCK WALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE NO SAFETY CONCERNS AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, HELEN WILKINSON HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF ENFORCING THE SAFETY PLAN ON SITE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER BUDGET.
WE ARE CURRENTLY ON SCHEDULE WITH CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE EXPECTING OUR FIRST FURNITURE PACKAGE TO ARRIVE AT THE END OF THIS WEEK.
UH, IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, UH, THE TEAM'S BEEN FOCUSED ON, UH, FINISHING OUT THE SIDEWALKS, THE REMAINING FLAT WORK THAT'S ON SITE.
UH, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN DOING ELECTRICAL TRIM OUT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FINISH PAINTING GOING ON.
THE LANDSCAPE HAS, HAS COME A LONG WAY AND IS LARGELY COMPLETE.
UH, THE INSTALLATION OF TRANSACTION WINDOWS AT THE TAX OFFICE, UH, WAS A BIG TICKET ITEM THAT HAS SINCE COMPLETED.
AND THEN ALSO THEY'VE GOT STARTED DOING THE RESILIENT FLOORING AND THE WALL BASE AND CARPET.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES.
UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, THEY'LL BE FOCUSED ON BRINGING UP THE NETWORK, UH, COUNTY NETWORK, AS WELL AS INSTALLING A AV UM, AUDIO VISUAL.
AND THEN WE'LL DO, THEY ALREADY STARTED KIND OF SOME WALL ACCESSORIES, BUT WE'LL SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT ACTIVITY AS WELL AS JUST KIND OF FINISHING TOUCHES LIKE WINDOW SHADES AND ET CETERA.
UM, PROCUREMENT WISE, UH, HILL AND WILKINSON'S WORKING ON GETTING THEIR FINAL INSPECTIONS AND OBTAINING THE TEMPORARY, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING REALLY TO REPORT ON QUALITY CONTROL WISE.
UH, HILL AND WILKINSON IS ACTIVELY KIND OF PRE PUNCHING THE WHOLE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE'RE, UH, 10 TENTATIVELY PLANNING FOR NEXT END OF NEXT WEEK.
IT'LL EITHER BE THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK FOR THE ACTUAL PUNCH LIST.
HEY, NICO, IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING UNDER CLIMATE CONTROL NOW? YES.
THERE'S AC IS ON AND FULL BLAST.
IS IT, DID YOU, DID YOU MEAN FOR NEXT WEEK OR IT HAS ARRIVED? IT'S, IT'S GONNA ARRIVE FRIDAY.
THIS FRIDAY IT'S SCHEDULED TO, YEP.
AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS, IS THE FIRST FURNITURE? MOST, MOST OF IT.
THERE'S SOME MINOR ITEMS THAT WILL COME IN THE SECOND PACKAGE, BUT OKAY.
THAT IS A GOOD BULK OF, AND WHEN IS THE SECOND PACKAGE EXPECTED TO ARRIVE? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS EIGHT 13, I THINK.
SO ABOUT A MONTH, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH LATER, SIX WEEK, FIVE TO SIX WEEKS LATER? UH, EIGHT.
AND, UM, YOU, THE AV WHAT, WHAT I, I, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THE TOUR, BUT WHAT ROOMS, WHAT, WHICH ALL OFFICES HAVE THE AV, UM, CAPABILITIES IN IT? UH, THE MULTIPURPOSE MM-HMM
THE CONFERENCE ROOMS. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME IN THE TAX OFFICE AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE WHERE MM-HMM
FOLKS CAN KNOW, KNOW WHEN THEIR NUMBER IS TO COME UP.
YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE THE MOST NOTABLE ONES.
AND THEN HERE ARE SOME, JUST SOME PICTURES THAT I ATTACHED FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT.
LANDSCAPING OUTSIDE HAS MADE A LONG, UH, COME A LONG WAY.
AND THEN HERE'S JUST THE REMAINING FLAT WORK BEING FORMED UP.
SO THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS AND WE'RE APPROACHING THE FINISH LINE, SO IT'S EXCITING.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR NICO? NOPE.
[5. Discuss/Act on the Sheriffs remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE COURT.
IT'S KIND WEIRD, BUT, UH, ALRIGHT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE CONTRACTS WORK DONE YET, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO STOP DOWN AND TALK ABOUT A PLAN TO FUND THIS PROJECT.
UM, BECAUSE ON THE NEXT COURT THERE WILL
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BE A VOTE ON THE GMP AND ON THE CONTRACT TO FIGURE OUT IF, UM, IF THIS COURT WANTS TO APPROVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REMODEL PROJECT.UM, THE, UH, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PHASE IT AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE COURT THAT WE ARE UNDER AN ARPA TIMELINE.
UM, THIS PROJECT HAS OVER $3 MILLION OF ARPA MONEY IN IT THAT HAS TO BE SPENT BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
IF NOT, WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE SENSE OF URGENCY AND WHY ARE WE TRYING TO KIND OF FIT AROUND WHOLE IN A SQUARE PEG IS THE SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE IS BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE UP AGAINST A DI A DEADLINE FOR ARPA TO SPEND THE MONEY AND, UM, AND FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION UNDER THAT GRANT.
SO THE CURRENT FUNDING THAT WE HAVE, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS WHAT WE HAVE AS THE ARPA UPDATE.
UM, WE HAVE REMAINING JAIL BONDS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE ARPA FUNDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER THAT WAS PART OF THE CURRENT BUDGET.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN ARPA UPDATE THAT IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
SO THE CURRENT FUNDING IS ABOUT $5.4 MILLION FOR THIS REMODEL PROJECT, WHICH SOUNDS GREAT UNTIL YOU REALIZE THE PROJECT COSTS $7.4 MILLION TO COMPLETE
SO THERE IS A SHORTFALL THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
SO IN THE EXISTING FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 25, THERE WAS $1.3 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED INTO THIS.
THAT IS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TECHNICALLY BEEN MOVED, BUT IT IS.
THAT'S AVAILABLE, BUT IT IS THERE.
YEAR MARK OR WHATEVER MM-HMM
AND DID THAT COME OUT OF OUR, UH, OUR GENERAL FUND OR I MEAN, RESERVES THAT CAME OUT OF OUR RESERVES? YEAH.
ACTUALLY IT WAS 2 MILLION AND THEN WE NEEDED 700,000 TO SHORE UP.
SO, SO WE MOVED $2 MILLION, UH, OF RESERVES INTO THIS PROJECT.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER ALANA LIKES TO SPEND ALL, NO, I'M KIDDING.
BUT THE THIRD, THE THIRD FLOOR ENDED UP NEEDING ANOTHER 700, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS, ACTUALLY NEEDED ANOTHER MILLION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE THIRD FLOOR.
LET'S KEEP IT ON THE SHARE ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
BUT BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, BOTH PROJECTS, UM, ESCALATED A MILLION DOLLARS.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, THE THIRD FLOOR WENT UP ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
THIS PROJECT WENT UP ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FROM, FROM WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BUDGETING TO SIGNING THE CONTRACTS AND GETTING THE CONSTRUCTION GOING.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE P THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS ONE? I CERTAINLY CAN TRY.
AND CAN I ALSO GET A COPY OF THIS? UM, OH, OH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, THE JAIL BONDS REMAINING, THIS 825,000.
THIS WAS WHAT WAS REMAINING FROM WHEN THE, THE, THE CURRENT JAIL WAS COMPLETED? 'CAUSE CORRECT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS ALL USED EXCEPT FOR $825,200.
NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I REMEMBERED.
I REMEMBER SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND WE USED SOME OF THAT MONEY, UM, TO GIVE BARRY THE ABILITY TO GO INTO THE PATROL AREA MM-HMM
AND REDO THE PATROL AREA TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH WAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS PROJECT WENT FROM WHAT, THE FIRST TIME WE SAW IT WAS OVER $14 MILLION, DOWN TO $7 MILLION IS WE, WE ARE TAKING SOME, SOME ITEMS OUT OF THE SCOPE.
AND ONE OF THAT WAS TO ALLOW OUR OWN MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN THERE, UM, AND REDO, UH, THE PATROL AREA IN THE OLD BOOKING OF THE JAIL.
THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS $14 MILLION.
SO I WAS NOT ON THE COURT WHEN YOU GUYS DID ALL THIS, SO I'M SOMEWHAT CLEARLY NOT AS INFORMED AS THREE.
WE WEREN'T THREE, YOU WERE WEREN, UM, WHEN YOU WENT INTO THIS, BUT I'D ALWAYS HEARD NUMBERS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THAT FOR DOING A SHERIFF'S REMODEL BACK WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL BOND PACKAGE.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
THE NUMBER THAT WAS FLOATED AROUND IT WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THEN THEY HAD ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT WHEN THEY WERE DONE WITH THE JAIL.
JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT TO FACTS.
I'M NOT TRYING TO EDITORIALIZE YOUR QUESTION.
UM, AND, UM, BUT YES, AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
SO WE, WE DID SOME SCOPING CHANGES, UM, AND WE REDID THE, THE FLOOR THANKS TO, UH, SAL AND NICO.
WE HAVE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK UNDER THE BUDGET.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS REMOVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CEMENT WALLS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE REMODELING AN OLD JAIL.
SO THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS BASICALLY, LET'S TAKE THIS AS A BLANK SLATE, PUT EVERYTHING WHERE WE WANT IT, WHERE EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE, AND JUST KNOCKING WALLS OUT AND, AND
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DOING AND DOING THAT SORT OF REMODEL.THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UM, THAT, UH, THAT PARK HILL DID.
BUT THEN WHEN THAT BUDGET CAME IN AT $14 MILLION, IT PRETTY MUCH WAS A NON-STARTER.
WE DON'T HAVE $14 MILLION, WE HAD NO ABILITY TO DO IT.
UM, UH, I TRY TO MAKE THAT THE ARPA PROJECT RATHER THAN BUILDING THE ANNEX.
AND SO WE DECIDED TO PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE ANNEX BUILDING.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, COMMISSIONER SEVER WHEN HE WAS HERE, UM, PARK HILL, AND THEN ULTIMATELY BROUGHT US, IS TO PUT THIS TO, TO REALLY TRY TO RE-SCOPE THIS PROJECT IN A WAY THAT WE COULD AFFORD IT AND, AND, AND MAKE IT WORK.
AND SO WE, WE DID SOME SCOPING, WE DID SOME CHANGING, WE DID SOME FLOOR PLAN CHANGING, UM, THAT THAT TOOK IT OUT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, HAVING THE PATROL AREA JUMP IN THERE WAS, WAS REALLY HELPFUL.
SOMEONE'S MAKING A LOT OF NOISE.
OH, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE MICROPHONE IN THERE.
SO, UM, THIS IDEA IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF LISA AND I'S BRAINSTORMING OF HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE IDEA IS TO BREAK THE PROJECT UP INTO THREE PHASES.
THE REASON BEING IS THAT WE CAN FUND PHASE ONE RIGHT NOW WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE, THEREFORE WE CAN GET THE PROJECT STARTED.
SO IF THERE'S ANY DELAYS, WE DON'T RUN UP AGAINST THE ARPA DEADLINE, THAT'S, THIS PROJECT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO PUSH OUT.
IF IT PUSHES OUT PAST DECEMBER, WE START GETTING INTO, UM, SOME FUN, UH, ACCOUNTING AND, AND ISSUES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE SECOND THING IS, IS THAT IF THIS PROJECT RUNS ON BUDGET AND UNDER BUDGET, THIS IS STILL ARPA MONEY, WHICH MEANS WE EITHER HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT OR SPEND IT BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THIS GOING SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE UNDER BUDGET AND POSSIBLY USE THIS MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, EQUIPMENT, UM, THERE THE WORLD IS, IS THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH ON WHAT WE COULD DO WITH ARPA.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO START THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING SO HARD TO, TO GET, TO GET THE PROJECT ROLLING.
UM, SO PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, THOSE ARE ALL IN COSTS.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT APPROVED BY LEGAL AND READY TO GO.
THESE ARE THE NUMBERS OF EVERYONE THAT'S GONNA WORK ON THIS PROJECT AND WHAT THEIR COSTS ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE CONTRACTS ON.
WHAT I ASKED CRAIG TO DO, UM, LATE LAST WEEK IS WAIT FOR THIS MEETING TO BE DONE BECAUSE IF, IF, IF THIS IS NOT WELL RECEIVED, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE RUNNING THROUGH 7, 8, 9, 10 CONTRACTS TO GET THEM READY FOR THE NEXT COURT.
SO MY HOPE IS WE CAN HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION AFTER THIS POWERPOINT ABOUT HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT ON JUST A SECOND.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU GOT ALL THESE NUMBERS FIRM, THEY'RE ALL IN A CONTRACT.
WAS THIS BID OUT? YES, BECAUSE I RIGHT BEFORE YOU TOOK OFFICE.
YES, IT WAS BID OUT AND IT WAS AWARDED IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
I HATE SPIT BALLING WHEN I'M ON RECORD, BUT I, I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR THAT, THAT WE APPROVED IT AND I THINK IT HAD LIKE A SIX MONTH OR SIX.
WHAT WAS IT FOR? IT WOULD, THEY WOULD HOLD THE PRICING FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.
AND WE HAVE THIS, I'M SAYING WE HAVE THIS PRICING.
SO I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS IN CONTRACT, THIS, THIS, WE'RE NO LONGER BUDGETING.
SO, SO THESE ARE WHAT, WHAT THE COSTS, THE BUDGETS, THE, THE FUNDS, ALL THE ALLOWANCES.
THIS IS EVERYTHING WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH THIS PROJECT BROKEN UP INTO THREE PHASES.
THE FFF AND E UM, IS, IS TWO ITEMS, REALLY.
IT IS ALL THE FURNITURE AND THEN IT'S THE, THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT.
UM, WE TOOK THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE JUST, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO VALUE ENGINEER THIS THING THE BEST WE COULD TO TRY TO GET IT TO HIT.
SO, SO WE ARE GONNA BE FURNISHING ALL OF, UH, THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT AND THEN ALL OF THE FURNISHINGS, WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE FF AND E IN THE PROJECT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S A $6.6 MILLION PROJECT, IT'S A $7.3 MILLION PROJECT.
SO THAT LEAVES US WITH A SHORTFALL OF $1.9 MILLION.
UM, MY IDEA FOR THE COURT THAT I WANT TO BE EXTREMELY, WE'RE GONNA USE THE WORD TRANSPARENT ON, IS THAT I WANT TO GET THIS OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE ONE MORE TIME TO FINISH THIS PROJECT.
IF YOU GUYS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE GETTING THAT
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MONEY OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO NOT VOTE THIS PROJECT INTO PLACE.'CAUSE THE WORST THING WE CAN DO IS DO PHASE ONE AND RUN OUT OF MONEY
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A, A, A LOGICAL STEP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TODAY, BUT IS, I WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I I DON'T WANNA ASK QUESTION TOO EARLY.
ARE YOU ABOUT TO GO INTO WHAT ALL THE PHASES ARE AND EVERYTHING? UM, NO, BUT NICO IS HERE TO DO THAT.
SO JUST WHEN YOU SAY YOU SPLIT IT INTO PHASES AND THE WORST THING WE CAN DO IS DO PHASE ONE AND THEN NOT FINISH IT.
SO THAT WOULD, IF WE STARTED PHASE ONE AND NOT FINISH IT, OUR DISPATCH WOULD BE SITTING IN THE EOC.
WELL I, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
SO JUST, JUST HANG ON, JUST, OKAY.
JUST, JUST HANG ON TO THAT THOUGHT.
UM, SO THIS IS A $1.9 MILLION SHORTFALL.
SO THE IDEA IS TO FUND PHASE ONE AND FFNE IN, IN JULY, USE FUND BALANCE IN THE NEXT FY TO FINISH THE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THE COURT TO LOOK AT, WHICH WOULD DOUBLE THE CURRENT SPACE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FULFILL THE MANDATE FROM THE VOTERS TO EXPAND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THEN BASICALLY USE A COMBINATION OF JAIL BONDS, ARPA, AND RESERVES TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.
AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US A, UH, A MAJOR, UH, PHYSICAL WIN IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND SO THE BIG KEY FACTOR IS THIS SPREADSHEET.
UM, WE CAN'T CR WE CAN'T MAKE, UH, $2 MILLION APPEAR OUTTA NOWHERE.
WE, WE, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
UM, AND I CAN'T BRING THE PROJECT DOWN ANYMORE.
I THINK NICO AND SAL ARE DONE WITH VALUE ENGINEERING.
UM, THIS PROJECT, WE CAN'T, UH, IT'S, THIS IS THE MAKE IT OR BREAK IT POINT.
WE EITHER MOVE FORWARD AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER ON THIS OR WE DON'T.
AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
UM, WE'LL GO INTO THE PHASINGS IN JUST ONE SECOND.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO IGNORE THAT QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE FUNDING PART OF IT FOR A MINUTE.
UM, COMMISSIONER LI, IF YOU'D LET ME.
UM, SO THIS DOES REQUIRE US IN THE NEXT BUDGET TO USE RESERVE BALANCE, WHICH IS ABOUT ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE.
Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN BELIEVE ME OR NOT BELIEVE ME, BUT 2 MILLION IS, THIS IS OUR LAST CUT AT, AT THE RESERVE BALANCE BEFORE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY DILIGENT IN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING MONEY BACK BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS INCREASING AND THE RESERVE HAS TO INCREASE AS WELL.
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP THE RESERVE AT THE SAME LEVEL, UM, OR WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF WHACK WITH OUR OWN RESERVE POLICY.
SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR LAST TO ME FOR THE TEMPORARY FUTURE.
THIS IS OUR LAST CUT AT TRYING TO FINISH THESE BIG PROJECTS, GET INTO FUND BALANCE, FINISH WHAT WE STARTED, UTILIZE THE ARPA AND THEN KIND OF REEVALUATE WHEN THE DUST SETTLES.
I DON'T KNOW IF LISA HAS ANY MORE COMMENTARY ON THAT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS GETS US WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING RIGHT AT THE SIXTH MONTH AND, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET BELOW THAT.
WE, WE, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BE IN THIS NEXT FY BUDGET.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AT THE END OF FI 26 THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAVE A HEALTHY, UM, RESERVE BECAUSE IT IS OUR POLICY TO KEEP FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, UM, IN RESERVE, WHICH IS A GOOD POLICY BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE PASSED THE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER AND WE GO FOUR MONTHS WITHOUT GETTING PROPERTY TAXES.
AND WE HAVE TO RUN THE COUNTY FOR FOUR MONTHS, UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE START COLLECTING IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
SO IT COULD GET FIVE MONTHS SOMETIMES, UM, IN THAT.
SO, UM, THIS ISN'T, UH, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I TAKE LIGHTLY.
I'M TRYING TO FINISH THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE BOND MONEY, WE HAVE ARPA MONEY, UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE RESERVE MONEY TO FULFILL THIS PROJECT.
SO ON THE FUNDING SIDE, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I WANT US TO KIND OF, UM, FOCUS ON FOR NOW.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN THIS COMES TO VOTE, WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT MEETING, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE, WE CAN'T VOTE TO MOVE THE RESERVE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE, UM, PREPARED TO DO THAT.
SO IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS, I CAN BRING NICO UP AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE PHASING.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN OR JUDGE YOU WANNA DIRECT THIS OTHER WAYS? NO, GO, GO, GO AHEAD.
LISA, WHAT IS OUR RESERVE? PROBABLY, I DON'T, I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED, UH, RECENTLY, LIKE IN THE LAST MONTH, BUT I, I WOULD ESTIMATE 23 MILLION OKAY.
AND SO IF WE TOOK 2 MILLION, THAT WOULD GET US DOWN TO 21 MILLION MM-HMM
BECAUSE, AND DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY SAID THAT IF WE DO THIS, OUR RESERVE, THIS IS AS I THINK HE PUT IT, OUR LAST SWIPE AT THE RESERVE, AND THEN WE GOTTA START ADDING TO IT? I MEAN THAT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT SOUND
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LIKE WE'RE IN DIRE CONSEQUENCES.BUT IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS CORRECT, WHICH IS, LOOK GUYS, NO MORE USE OF RESERVE UNTIL WE START TAXING THIS, THE, THE CITIZENS TO BUILD IT UP AGAIN, THAT'S A HUGE DECISION.
AND I KNOW THAT MCLENNAN CHISHOLM IS REALLY HAPPY.
THEY HAD A REALLY GOOD RESERVE, NOT SO THEY COULD GO OUT AND BUILD A, UH, A NEW STATION, BUT SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE CARE OF AN EMERGENCY THAT CAME UP.
AND SO WHEN I HEAR WHAT YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER STACY ABOUT, THIS IS OUR LAST THING WE CAN TAKE OUTTA THE RESERVES, THAT SOUNDS VERY SERIOUS TO ME BECAUSE THIS, WE REMEMBER THREE BUDGETS IN A ROW.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS TAKEN ABOUT $2 MILLION FROM THE RESERVE FUND TO, TO DO STUFF WITH IT.
THE THIRD FLOOR, THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, UM, HAS BEEN THE, THE MAIN THING.
SO DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? SO IT'S A FRAGILE BALANCE BECAUSE YOU, YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOUR RESERVE GETS TOO HIGH AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE NOT USING, THEN, THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TAXING PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY DON'T, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TAXED FOR.
UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE KIND OF A, A SHORT EXPLANATION.
THE FACT THAT WE BUDGET 98% AND OUR TAX REVENUE USUALLY IS COLLECTED AT 100 TO 101%, WE AUTOMATICALLY GENERATE A RESERVE.
AND THEN ANY UNFILLED POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE NOT UTILIZING THE COURT, THIS COURT ACTUALLY, OR I'M SORRY, UH, JUDGE NEW AND COMMISSIONER M**K AND STACY, THE COURT PREVIOUS TO YOU ALL, WE UTILIZED, UH, A LOT OF LEFTOVER MONEY IN FY 20 FOUR'S BUDGET TO FUND FY 25 AND THEN STILL TOOK $2 MILLION.
BUT THEN FOR, FOR THESE PROJECTS.
SO IT, IT COULD, THIS COULD BE A STATEMENT THAT IS A TRUE STATEMENT THAT COMMISSIONER STACEY IS SAYING, BECAUSE USING YOUR FUND BALANCE SHOULD BE FOR NOT ONGOING EXPENSES.
IT SHOULD BE FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES.
AND USING IT TO BUILD A BUILDING DEFINITELY IS A SMART RIGHT USE OF IT.
I WOULD NOT SAY THAT IT'S THE LAST TIME, BUT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY'S TRYING TO SAY IS WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO ALWAYS COUNT ON FUND BALANCE WHEN WE HAVE A BIG EXPENSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION AND COMMISSIONER STACEY'S EXPLANATION IS TRANSPARENCY, BUT WHAT THAT'S TELLING ME IS THIS, IS THIS VERY, IT SOUNDS LIKE EXPANDED SHERIFF'S REMODEL, IF IT WENT FROM TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION IN THREE YEARS, UM, IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN ROADS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IF, UH, AS AN EXTRAORDINARY NON-OPERATING EXPENSE.
AND SO WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, THIS IS OUR LAST SWIPE AT IT, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE TELLING ME, OKAY, THINK ABOUT EDWARDS ROAD AND JONES ROAD AND ALL THOSE OTHER ROADS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE FIXED.
AND, AND IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL OF 'EM.
AND, AND MY COMMENT BACK TO YOU WOULD BE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A ROAD BOND OF A, SO LET, LET ME A ROAD BOND THAT WE HAVEN'T ISSUED A PENNY OF.
BUT I'M SAYING THE MONEY IS THERE TO BE ISSUED.
I I, I WOULD, WE, WE CAN GET INTO THAT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT THE, BUT THE ANALYSIS I THINK IS CORRECT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE $150 MILLION APPROVED BY OUR VOTERS FOR ROAD BONDS.
BUT I STILL THINK THE ANALYSIS IS CORRECT.
THAT IF WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING OUT THERE, WHEN WE HAVE WISHLISTS AND DREAMS AND, YOU KNOW, PARK PLANS AND OPEN SPACES AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, WE'RE SAYING ALL OF THAT IS SECONDARY IN IMPORTANCE TO A SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL THAT'S GONE FROM TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.
A AND, AND, AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR FRAMING ISN'T, UM, ISN'T WRONG IN THE SENSE OF IMPORTANCE.
I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT WHAT IS FORCING OUR HAND IS THE ARPA GRANT.
UM, THE, THE ARPA GRANT IS FORCING TIMING.
SO OUR CHOICES ARE TO EITHER FIND A BETTER USE OF $3.3 MILLION, IT HAS TO BE USED UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF ARPA OR GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND, AND THAT IS WHAT'S FORCING OUR HAND ON THE TIMING STANDPOINT.
BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU GO OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
YOU WALK THE PRECINCTS AND THEY WANT ROADS AND THEY WANT OPEN SPACES AND, AND THEY WANT THE COUNTY TO, TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ARPA GRANT THAT WE HAVE TO FINISH EITHER, LIKE I SAID, EITHER GIVE IT BACK 'CAUSE THIS IS QUALIFIED
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FEDERAL MONEY OR SPEND IT ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN USE.AND MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO TRY TO KEEP THIS UNDER THE ARPA AND WE JUST COULDN'T GET THERE.
AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
YOU AND I ARE IN PERFECT AGREEMENT ON THAT, BUT THERE IS A THIRD CHOICE.
WE SPEND IT ON THIS OR WE GIVE IT BACK.
WE GO TO OUR CONTRACTOR AND WE SAY, GUYS, WE GOT $5.4 MILLION, FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT TO SPEND IT.
AND WE GO TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SAY, WE GOT $5.4 MILLION.
FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANNA SPEND IT.
I'M GONNA LET COMMISSIONER GOANA, UH, WHO'S BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING, MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE I, I I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SEVERAL THINGS THERE.
UM, I I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND, UH, AND, AND I GET IT.
UM, I'M SURE YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY ASKED WHAT WE COULD DO FOR 5.4 MILLION AND IT PROBABLY DIDN'T COMPLETE YOUR PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO WALK THROUGH, WHICH I SEE YOU STANDING THERE, WHAT WE, UM, WHAT THE PHASES ARE.
SO YOU GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD LEAVE OFF IF WE ONLY DID $5.4 MILLION.
THE FUND BALANCE IS A, IS CONCERNING TO ME AS IT IS TO COMMISSIONER LTI.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT, UM, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING, UH, FROM CAD, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GONNA TAKE US BELOW THE PERCENTAGE WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED FIVE MONTHS OF OPERATING, UH, MONEY, UM, STARTING THE NEXT YEAR, UH, BEFORE WE START TO RECEIVE MONEY FROM CAD.
BUT DO WE, UM, DO WE HAVE, ARE WE OKAY IN THE EVENT OF ANY EMERGENCIES IN THAT CASE THEN ARE WE GONNA BE OKAY IF SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THAT SHORT WINDOW OR ARE WE NOT? AND IF WE ARE, OKAY, IF IT'S GONNA BE TOO TIGHT, THEN WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND THERE'S MAYBE SOME OTHER MONEY WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.
AND AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT WOULD THE, THE EMERGENCIES THAT I WAS, THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH BUDGETS RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE ALREADY HEARING A NUMBER OF ASKS.
THE JUDGE IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE FIRST BUDGET TO US ANYWAY, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN INUNDATED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH A LOT OF ASKS THAT ARE GOING ON, DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN WHERE THAT, THAT THAT'S GOING TO PUT OUR RATINGS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE COUNTY MAY BE FACED WITH OVER THE NEXT SIX TO 12 TO 18 MONTHS THAT MAY HAVE SOME FINANCIAL IMPACTS THAT WE WILL, WE, WE MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT, INTO THAT FUND BALANCE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO I'M, I HAVE CONCERNS, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND I DO LIKE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
I, I DON'T WANT US TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK.
THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WILL NEVER, YOU KNOW, ARPA MAY NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE DID HAVE, AND I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, 'CAUSE WE DID VOTE ON IT AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS A NEED AND IT FIT THE, IT FIT INTO, WE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES OF, OF WHAT IT, WHAT IT WAS FOR.
BUT MAYBE WE JUST GO BACK AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU, WHAT WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT CAN WE, LET'S COMPLETE IT WITH, WITH THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND NO MORE, AND GO BACK TO THAT AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF, OF US TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE UP THAT SHORTFALL BY USING OUR FUND BALANCE WHEN WE, WHEN, WHEN I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, SOME FINANCIAL NEEDS THAT ARE GONNA COME UP WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO LET, LET, LET ME BACK UP AND JUST DO A, UH, WHAT I HOPE IS A CLIFF NOTES VERSION OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND, AND I WILL FRAME IT UNDER THE HEADLINE OF BALLOT LANGUAGE INTEGRITY.
SO THE, THE, AND PREVIOUS TO THIS COURT, OBVIOUSLY PREVIOUS TO ME BEING ON THE COURT, UH, THE, THE VOTERS APPROVED OUR NEW JAIL.
AND PART OF THAT NEW JAIL WAS REMODELING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED.
SO DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE JAIL, THERE WERE CHANGE ORDERS ISSUED.
AND, AND THE COURT MEMBERS WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THAT, IN THEIR MIND, EVERY CHANGE ORDER THAT WAS ISSUED WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS GOING TO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
SO WE'RE BUILDING A JAIL, WE'RE BUILDING A NICE JAIL.
WE'RE, WE'RE ISSUING CHANGE ORDERS.
AND, AND WE GET THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT DOWN TO WHERE WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING.
I MEAN, MAYBE A NEW COAT OF PAINT AND, UH, MAYBE SOME NEW FLOORING, MAYBE.
AND MY STANCE WAS WE OWE THE CITIZENS A SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THEM THEY WERE VOTING ON.
NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HAVE THIS MONEY THAT
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WE CAN USE FOR THIS, UH, THE HVAC AND ROOFS AND, AND DISPATCH.THAT'S ALL ENUMERATED ITEMS OF THE ARPA.
IT SAYS, WE, WE WANT YOU TO USE IT FOR THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT KIND OF TWO COMPETING IDEAS HERE.
NUMBER ONE, WE OWE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY APPROVED.
THEY, THEY APPROVED THE BALLOT AND, AND WE DIDN'T SPEND IT ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY VOTED ON.
WE, WE SPENT IT ON CHANGE ORDERS FOR THE JAIL INSTEAD OF THE REMODEL.
NOW THERE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, WAS SOME DISPUTE OF, OF THE COURT HERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT, WE, WE APPROVED A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND, AND WE'VE SPENT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT MM-HMM
AGAIN, IT GETS ME BACK TO BALLOT BALLOT INTEGRITY.
IF YOU SAY WE'RE DOING A JAIL AND A SHERIFF'S REMODEL, THEN YOU OWE THE CITIZENS A JAIL AND A SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
SO MY STANCE IS, UM, IF WE HAVE THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO USE ARPA FUNDS TO GIVE THE CITIZENS WHAT WE PROMISED THEM, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT AND DO IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE FUND BALANCE, JUST AGAIN, CLIFFNOTES VERSION OF THAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE IN MORE DANGER OF HAVING TOO MUCH MONEY THAN WE ARE TOO LITTLE MONEY.
UH, THE BUDGET I'LL, I'LL PRESENT.
YOU WILL HAVE HEALTHY CONTINGENCIES.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A FUND BALANCE THAT WILL BE A SIX MONTH MARK.
AND LIKE I SAY, I, I'M PUTTING TOO MUCH MONEY.
I IS TAXING THE CITIZENS TOO MUCH.
IT GETS US INTO THE UNKNOWN, THE, THE THE WHAT IFS.
UH, SO SIX MONTH IS, IS A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD TARGET.
AND, AND, AND THEN TO CLEAR THE AIR, THERE WAS NEVER A PROJECT FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
THE ASSUMPTION WAS THERE WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF MILLION LEFT TO DO A PROJECT.
AND THERE WASN'T, THERE WAS JUST AT A MILLION LEFT TO DO THE PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANNA CLEAR THAT UP.
THERE WAS NEVER A PROJECT DONE ON THE SHERIFF'S, THE OPERATION SIDE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
AND THEN, SO THEN THE PROJECT, WHEN YOU, I MEAN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT HAD TO HAVE CHANGED, THOUGH.
IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TWO AND A HALF MILLION LEFT, WE HAD NO IDEA WE WERE GONNA TRY TO SPEND 14.
THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO DO IT.
WE GOT BID BAGG FOR 14 AND THEN SCALED IT DOWN.
THE RUMOR AROUND THE COUNTY, WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE LEFT, 'CAUSE NONE OF THE FIVE OF US WEREN'T HERE, THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO DO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NEVER A PLAN TO DO IT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN THE BOND LANGUAGE.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE, I NEVER HEARD THAT RUMOR, BUT YOU HEAR MORE RUMORS THAN I DO.
SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT ONE.
UM, AND I DID SAY IT WAS A RUMOR,
BUT IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA TALK ABOUT BALLOT INTEGRITY, YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DOING A REMODEL AT 52.5 MILLION.
WASN'T THAT THE, WHAT? WASN'T THAT WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED? SO MY POINT IS THIS, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
IF WE SEND THAT ARPA MONEY BACK, WE HAVE FAILED.
WE HAVE FAILED IF WE SEND THAT BACK.
BUT WHAT I CAN'T GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IS THE ULTIMATUM YOU'VE DELIVERED THIS MORNING COMMISSION WASN'T AN ULTIMATUM.
THE ULTIMATUM YOU DELIVERED THIS MORNING, WHICH WAS, WE SPEND $5.4 MILLION, OR WE SEND THE ARPA MONEY BACK.
I, I'VE BEEN WATCHING NICO COME UP HERE FOR SIX MONTHS AND BEFORE I WAS SITTING UP HERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, AND HE'S A SMART GUY.
DID YOU GO TO MICHIGAN? REALLY? OKAY, GOOD.
DID I GO TO MICHIGAN? HE'S, I'M FROM MICHIGAN.
DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST HIM, COMMISSIONER.
AND I WHAT I, YOU'VE, AND, AND PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR EFFORTS HERE.
YOU'VE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND VERY HARD ON THIS, BUT I JUST, IT, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT IF WE WERE TO TELL THE SHERIFF, LOOK, WE'RE AND, AND NICO AND HIS GANG, WE GOT $5.4 MILLION SH SHUFFLE THINGS AROUND, SCALE 'EM DOWN.
THIS IS THE MONEY WE HAVE THAT WE WOULDN'T GET A SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND SO, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE ONE STATEMENT I JUST SAID, WE WOULD BE IN DANGER BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH THE ARPA MONEY.
THAT'S NOT ME STANDING UP HERE SAYING, THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION.
WE GET TO VOTE ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS.
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MY POINT INTO DOING THIS WAS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE IDEA FULLY WAS EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN HERE WITH A GMP CONTRACT TO START FLOATING THIS THROUGH AND TO JUST START SIGNING THINGS OFF GOING, WE LOVE THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND THEN BLINDSIDE EVERYONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FOCUSING IN ON WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE IS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, IS FOCUS IN ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND TO BASICALLY, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, CRY UNCLE TO SAY, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER TWO YEARS AND THIS IS THE BEST IDEA THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH TO MAKE IT WORK.
I MEAN, A MILLION DOLLARS HAS MOVED THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THIS PROJECT INTO THE THIRD FLOOR.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT EVER IN COURT.
THAT, THAT THAT MONEY WAS MOVED OUT OF THIS PROJECT AND PUT IN.
NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT A $900,000 SHORTFALL THAT WE COULD PROBABLY CLOSE IS BOTH PROJECTS THAT HAVE ESCALATED IN COST AND NEEDS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS SORT OF CRISIS.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GONNA GET COURTROOMS AND, AND WE'RE, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINISH THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT I'M STATING THAT IT'S AN ULTIMATUM.
I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES MOVING PARTS, AND I'M, AND I'M DONE WITH THIS TRYING TO BE MOVED BEHIND THE SCENES.
THIS COURT AUTHORIZED $2 MILLION TO BE IN THIS PROJECT.
IT ONLY HAS 1.3 MILLION IN IT.
I MEAN, $700,000 HAS LEFT THIS PROJECT AND, AND, AND GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO AT WHAT POINT IS IT FAIR TO GO TO THE SHERIFF AND SAY, HOW MUCH MONEY, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY PRIORITIZED THE THIRD FLOOR PROJECT OVER FINISHING THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMPETING FOR THIS MONEY.
AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS THIS SLIDE IS THE DECISION.
WE CAN'T PRETEND IT'S NOT, WE CAN TRY A AGAIN, JUST TO LITERALLY JUST TAKE THINGS OUT OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD RESTART ALL OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, BECAUSE WE TRIED TO SCOPE THIS THING DOWN AS SMALL AS WE COULD.
SO I, I DON'T SAY THAT IT'S, NOTHING IS OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS IS THE, THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE VOTE IS NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS.
I WAS VERY PURPOSEFUL IN TRYING TO POINT OUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DISCUSSED AND NOT TRY TO HIDE IT IN A SEA OF, OF CONTRACTS AND PAPERWORK.
AND, UM, AND THIS IS GETTING ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS FLUSHED OUT, WHICH WAS REALLY HARD.
AND AND COMMISSIONER STACEY, I, I BELIEVE BARRY IS GOING TO DO SOME OF THIS AS WELL TOO.
I I, IS THE, IS FOR THIS? NO, NONE OF THIS.
HE DID SOMETHING ALREADY FOR IN THE PATROL AREA.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THE WORK IN THE PATROL AREA.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS GOING INTO AN UNUSED JAIL AND TURNING IT INTO OFFICE SPACE AND DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS WE GROW AND, AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS COUNTY WORK.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND SEE HOW TIGHT THE SPACE IS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS WORKING THROUGH NOW.
AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, I THINK THAT THE ROAD DISCUSSION IS THE DISCUSSION FOR ISSUING THE BONDS THAT THE VOTERS HAVE ALREADY APPROVED.
AND THAT WE NEED TO FINISH THESE PROJECTS, LET THE SMOKE CLEAR, GET THE ARPA SPENT, GET THE REMODELS DONE SO THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE SITUATED.
AND I DO SAY THAT IT IS PREDICATED ON ARPA, IF ARPA HADN'T COME, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WE WOULD HAVE A $825,000 SITTING IN AND ACCOUNT WITH NO ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ON THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT.
AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ANNEX NEARLY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ANNEX, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NEARLY DONE.
AND, AND I MEAN, THE THIRD FLOOR WAS FUNDED WITH A LOT OF ARPA MONEY.
AND THE, AND, AND THE, AND THE PROJECT, THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THERE TWICE, VERY DETAILED TWO TIMES.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DEFINITELY OUTGROWN THE WAY IT IS LAID OUT, UM, ON THE OPERATION SIDE FOR SURE.
SO I, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I ALSO AM ALSO LEERY OF, OF SPENDING FUND BALANCE.
YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE SAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GOOD HEALTHY SIX MONTHS.
BUT DID THE TAXPAYERS REALLY VOTE FOR US TO GO OVER BUDGET ON THE BOND? DID NOT.
I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T NOT WANNA DO THE PROJECT.
I, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
UM, AND IT'S NEEDED OVER THERE.
IF YOU GO THROUGH IT, YOU'LL SEE IT.
WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST A HARD, IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION.
AND, AND THERE'S THE MONEY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT USING FOR VEHICLES THAT WE MAY NEED TO THROW AT THIS.
IT COULD BE BECAUSE, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO, BUT THERE IS SOME MONEY THERE MM-HMM
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA STATE, I DID NOT MEAN TO PRESENT THIS AS AN ULTIMATUM.
COMMISSIONER LTI, I MEANT TO STATE THIS AND, AND IF I DID,
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I APOLOGIZE.I MEANT TO STATE THIS AS THIS IS WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH.
I'M TURNING IN MY HOMEWORK, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND I'M HERE TO GET BEAT UP BECAUSE I WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
I WANT TO FIND A WAY FOR THE FIVE OF US TO COME TOGETHER AND DO A SHERIFF'S PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROUD OF, THAT WE CAN DO IT.
I'M ALL OUT OF IDEAS AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS THING FOR OVER TWO YEARS.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD, THIS WAY ON PURPOSE TO SHOW THE BOOGER THAT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF US SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A VERY HONEST AND TRANSPARENT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS TO GET THIS PROJECT FINISHED.
LISA, CAN, COULD YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS NUMBER, BUT THE THING I EMAILED YOU ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT'S OVER ON THAT PERSONNEL SIDE FOR, UH, UNUSED FUNDS.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA LIKE WHAT THAT NUMBER'S AT RIGHT NOW? I DO NOT.
I, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN CHECK INTO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT, I THINK.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TOUCHING EIGHT, BUT AM I NOT TOUCHING? GET TO EIGHT.
ANYWAY, SO, UM, JUST SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND 800,000 AND UNUSED, UH, FUNDS ON THE OPERATION SIDE FOR THE JAIL.
THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT MOVING TO THIS PROJECT RATHER THAN USING IT TO BUY VEHICLES, WHICH WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING TO THE NEXT COURT, IF THAT MAKES THIS MORE PALATABLE FOR THIS PROJECT THAT COULD BE MOVED INTO HERE.
YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE F END OF FY 25.
UH, YOU KNOW, I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT JUDGE NEW AND, UH, HAD THE, A BUDGET TRANSFER AT THE END OF 24 TO HELP FUND THINGS IN 25.
BUT IN A SENSE, IT'S FUND BALANCE AS WELL.
IT IT IS BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE JUST GONE BACK TO FUN BALANCE AND, AND OUR FUND BALANCE IS GROWING.
UH, BUT, UH, AND I COULD BE, UH, OFF, UH, SLIGHTLY BECAUSE I GAVE A NUMBER JUST ESTIMATED.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NORMALLY GAIN BACK A LITTLE BIT OF FUN BALANCE EVERY YEAR REGARDLESS OF, OF, UM, HOW, HOW, WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FRAGILE BALANCE OF WHAT, WHAT TO DO AND NOT TO DO.
YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALWAYS, AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT YOU ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT IF AN EMERGENCY DID HAPPEN, THAT'S WHAT YOUR FUND BALANCE IS FOR MM-HMM
SO, AND AT, AT THE HIGHER, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, THE HIGHER YOUR BUDGET GETS 55 MILLION, UH, SIX MONTHS OF THAT IS 27 MILLION.
SO, UH, PROBABLY USING WHAT'S REMAINING FROM THIS YEAR WOULD, WOULD BE A, A, A SMART SOLUTION AS MUCH AS YOU COULD.
AND THEN, SO NICO, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PHASING.
UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR US TO GET IT STRAIGHT TO YOU, BUT I THINK HE CAN ADDRESS IT PRETTY QUICK.
YEAH, I CAN SEND YOU GUYS ALL A COPY OF THIS PHASING PLAN AFTERWARDS.
UM, WOULD'VE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP.
BUT THE GOAL OF THE PHASING, OBVIOUSLY IS TO BE THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE TO THAT CURRENT OPERATIONS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THE APPROACH IS TO START OFF IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THE LEAST OCCUPIED AND LEAST UTILIZED AND KIND OF BUILD OUT FROM THERE TO GIVE SPACE FOR THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR OPERATIONS TO RELOCATE WHEN WE'RE DOING THEIR AREA AND REMODELING THEIR AREA.
SO IN PHASE ONE, UM, THEIR FOCUSED ON THE SOUTH WING, WHICH IS THE CONCRETE WALLS, THE OLD OUTDATED JAIL SPACES.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO FINISH THAT AREA OUT TO BRING NEW OFFICES AND NEW AREAS FOR THE OTHER, FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL JUMP INTO THE OTHER AREAS PRIMARILY.
UM, THE EOC AREA, UH, THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS WILL, WILL BUILD OUT AN AREA ONE FOR THEM TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE, AND THEN WE WILL IN PHASE THREE, THEY'LL BE GIVEN THEIR PERMANENT SPACE.
UM, ALSO IN PHASE ONE IS THE, THE ENTRANCE VESTIBULE IN THE CLERK AREA.
UM, PHASE TWO IS HALF OF THE NORTH WING, AND THEN PHASE THREE IS THE OTHER HALF OF THE NORTH WING.
SO THE NORTH WING IS KIND OF SPLIT OUT INTO THOSE TWO AND THREE PHASES.
UM, THE REASON, THE REASON WHY PHASE ONE IS SO BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT WISE IS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY PLAN THIS ALL OUT, UH, THEY HAVE TO PROCURE THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THEIR FURNITURE AND ALL OF THE STUFF WITH THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS, AND THEY NEED DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AT THE FRONT END,
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UM, TO KEEP THEM CONTRACTED AND KEEP THEM HAPPY.UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHILE I'M KIND OF PICKING THROUGH THIS NOW? IF YOU COULD SEND THAT, UH, I MEAN I'VE SEEN, YEAH, I CAN SEND
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COURT HAS OR NOT, BUT IF YOU COULD SEND THAT TO, TO EVERYONE SO THAT ABSOLUTELY THEY COULD SEE IT AND YEAH, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE SCHEMATIC, IT'LL, IT'LL MAKE SENSE AS YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HAVING TO MOVE, MOVE BODIES RIGHT BACK AND FORTH.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATIONS GOING OUTTA THIS SHERIFF OFFICE.
SO, UM, A LOT OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE HAVING TO BE TEMPORARILY RECO, RELOCATED BEING REMODELED.
UH, SO THAT ALSO ATTESTS TO KIND OF SOME OF THE ESCALATED COSTS YOU'RE SEEING IS, UH, SOME OF THE TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY MOVES.
AND, UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF, UH, AV STUFF, RADIO DISPATCH, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT TO IT.
I THINK THERE'S FOUR DATA CLOSETS THAT ARE BEING CONSOLIDATED TO ONE.
UM, SO THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO THIS PROJECT AND IT'S, UH, VERY DETAILED.
UM, I KNOW WE DON'T WANNA HEAR THIS
SHE'S GONNA SAY IT WELL, BECAUSE, WELL, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER STACEY IS ASKING US TO, TO POSSIBLY TAKE A VOTE ON THIS AT THE NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO.
AND I, AND I RESPECT THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND IT, WE HAD, WE DO NEED TO, TO PROBABLY ACT ON THIS PRETTY SOON, BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE A WORKSHOP THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE I DO THINK, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE ALSO, COMMISSIONER ICK DI, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THE CITIZENS, THEY DID VOTE ON, ON THE, THE, THE NEW DETENTION CENTER IN THE JAIL.
AND, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT WENT OVER BUDGET.
AND YES, WE DO NEED TO, TO DO THIS.
AND I, I CAN SEE A BIG NEED FOR IT, BUT I SEE A BIG NEED FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.
SO I, I, I JUST THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO SOME PRIOR PRIORITIES.
UM, AS FAR AS KIND OF LIKE A, I HATE TO CALL IT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT A, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO SOME KIND OF A PLANNING SESSION TO DISCUSS, TO DISCUSS THIS FROM A, FROM A FUND BALANCE.
IF WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE LEFT OVER OF WHAT WE REALLY WANNA SPEND SOME MONEY ON TO, THAT WOULD BE WHAT OUR CITIZENS WOULD BE EXPECTING US TO, TO HELP THEM OUT WITH.
'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS WANT US TO, TO SPEND WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THEIR PRIORITIES IS I GUESS IS WHAT I'M GOING FOR.
AND, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT DOING A WORKSHOP, BUT, UH, THE, THE BUDGET CONVERSATIONS ARE GONNA BE THAT VERY CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE I, I'M GONNA PRESENT A BUDGET, UH, AND, AND THEN, UH, MUCH LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY HAS NOW DONE GONNA HAVE TO DEFEND MY POSITION OF WHY I ALLOCATED FUNDS AS I DID AND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT I HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND VERY LIKELY WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES UP HERE.
THEN WE HAVE THE, THE ADULT CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING MONEY.
SO I I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE WORKSHOP, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING IN, IN, IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME CONTEXT.
IT IT, IT IS, IT IS COMING WITH THE, WITH THE BUDGET.
WE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BEFORE WE HAVE A WORKSHOP OR EVEN BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, I, I STILL JUST, I AM UNABLE TO ACCEPT THAT WE CAN'T DO A SHERIFF'S REMODEL FOR 5.4 3 8 8 9 5 0.69.
AND IT'S, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO CUT ALL YOU CAN, JOHN, AND I DON'T MEAN TO OVERSIMPLIFY THIS, BUT WHEN MY WIFE WANTED TO REMODEL OUR HOUSE THE LAST TIME, UM, THE FIRST NUMBER SHE CAME BACK WITH, I SAID, DIDN'T WORK.
AND I, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE IF, UH, THE JUDGE HERE MADE A COMMENT.
AND I I, I, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HEAR WHAT HIS ANSWER IS, BUT HE SAID HE'S GOT AN IDEA FOR USE OF THAT MONEY, AND I BET HE DOES.
AND IT'S KINDA LIKE WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR ROAD BOND IN HEATH 10 YEARS AGO AND THE, THE RESIDENTS ON MEYERS LANE CAME IN AND SAID, DON'T FIX OUR STREET WITH CONCRETE.
AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND I SAID, OKAY, WELL THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THE FIT STREET FIXED, WE WON'T DO IT.
BUT UNDERSTAND, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME TILL YOU HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR STREET FIXED AGAIN.
AND I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS, INCLUDING BOTH OF YOU AND NICO, YOUR
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ENTIRE TEAM AND THE SHERIFF AND HIS TEAM, IF THE ANSWER IS, GUYS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT AT THIS PRICE, OR IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME TILL YOU GET IT DONE, MY GUESS IS THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A NUMBER THAT WORKS AND A PLAN THAT WORKS BECAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN MAKE THAT JAIL OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE A LOT BETTER AND MAKE HUGE IMPROVEMENTS WITH $5.438 MILLION.SO MY REQUEST TO YOU, NICO, AND UM, WE'VE HIRED YOU FOR JUST EXACTLY THINGS LIKE THIS IS TO MEET WITH THOSE, MEET WITH YOUR TEAM AND THE, AND WITH COMMISSIONER STACY AND I, I'D HAPPY TO SIT THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD ADD MUCH, BUT, AND WITH THE SHERIFF'S TEAM AND SAY, GUYS, HOW DO WE GET IT TO 5.438? 'CAUSE I WANNA DO THIS SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
I JUST THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT MAYBE BIGGER THAN WHAT WE CAN HANDLE.
OTHERWISE I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR, UH, THE JUDGE'S IDEA FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO SPEND THAT ARPA MONEY ON.
I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
AND CERTAINLY WE CAN GET A LOT DONE, A LOT ACHIEVED WITH $5.4 MILLION.
UH, IT'S DEFINITELY A BALANCE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MEET THE SHERIFF NEEDS AND THE BUDGET AT THE SAME TIME AND TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT IN BETWEEN.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS FOR THE SHERIFF OFFICE.
SO WE BUILT OUR BUDGET BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THEM AND WHAT THEY DESERVED AND WHAT THE, THE TAXPAYERS PAID MONEY TO GIVE THEM.
SO WE WILL, UH, WE WILL REASSESS AND GET WHAT THE SHERIFF'S TEAM AND, AND TRY AND COME UP WITH A, A BETTER SOLUTION TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT MORE WITHIN THAT $5.5 MILLION RANGE, UM, AS BEST POSSIBLE.
BUT, UH, AS COMMISSIONER STACY MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS, WE'RE, WE'VE DONE THE VALUE ENGINEERING WORKSHOP ALREADY, AND THE PROJECT IS, IS VERY BARE BONES.
AND VALUE ENGINEERING IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
BUT SOME, IT'S, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A SCOPE QUESTION THAN A VALUE ENGINEERING QUESTION.
UM, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THE SCOPE MUCH BETTER THAN I DO, BUT AGAIN, I I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OVER THERE WITH $5.438 MILLION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF VOTING FOR THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT YOU WOULD GET AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE ADEQUATELY INSUFFICIENT FOR WHAT THE NEEDS WERE.
YOU WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY LOOKING AT THAT FACILITY AGAIN WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN YOU'RE HAVING TO PAY ADDITIONAL RE RE MOBILIZATION COSTS, NEW FEES FOR MORE TIME ADDED THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THERE'S A LOT, A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS TO IT, FOR SURE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW, KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY ACTION TODAY ON, ON, ON THIS.
I MEAN, YOU WEREN'T WANTING ANY ACTION TODAY.
THIS, THIS WAS JUST INFORMATIONAL.
[6. Discuss/Act on approving Addendum #2 to the Memorandum of Understanding between Rockwall County and the Rockwall County Sherriffs Office for the Sheriffs Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING ADDENDUM NUMBER TWO TO THE MEMORANDUM OF A UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY, UM, I APOLOGIZE, WHAT JUST HAPPENED? OH, THIS IS THE MOU.
SO, UM, THE, UH, BASICALLY IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, UM, THERE WAS A CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE THAT WAS INTENDED, UM, TO BE MOVED OUT OF THE ANNEX BUILDING AND INTO THIS PROJECT, WHICH MEANS THAT BASICALLY THERE WAS A, A MATH ERROR DONE ON OUR LAST MOU.
WE CAUGHT IT WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO FINALIZE THE BUDGET FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO, SO THERE IS $200,000 IN THE ANNEX THAT WE ALREADY WERE ATTEMPTING TO MOVE OVER, BUT WHEN WE COMPARED NOTES WITH GRANT WORKS WITH, UM, OUR AUDITOR STAFF, WE NOTICED THAT GRANT WORKS DIDN'T CATCH CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE.
I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.
UM, AND, UH, THIS MOU, UH, WOULD JUST MOVE $204,000, UH, INTO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL AND MAKE IT $3.3 MILLION OF SLUR MONEY.
RIGHT NOW IT IS AT $3.1 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN THAT, UH, $200,000 IS JUST SITTING IN THE ANNEX.
IT'S NOT BEING PUT TO WORK, SO TO SPEAK.
AND, AND WAS THAT MONEY KIND OF ALREADY REPRESENTED IN WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US? THAT MONEY WAS REPRESENTED? THAT WAS THE ADDITIONAL ARPA FUNDING.
UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THIS ITEM.
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I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THIS.IN THE, UM, ADDENDUM, IT SAYS THESE ARE FUNDS FROM A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN CONCLUDED.
ARE WE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED ANY MORE CHANGES? IT SAYS WE'RE REALLY NOT FINISHED YET.
THIS IS MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTRACTUALLY UNOBLIGATED.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, HOW YOUR BRAIN WANTS TO, TO NECESSARILY PROCESS THAT.
WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THIS MONEY OUT OF THE ANNEX PROJECT.
SO WHEN YOU SEE WHAT'S LEFT IN THE ANNEX, WHAT ARE THE FUND BALANCES? THIS MONEY HAS ALREADY COME OUT AND IS JUST SITTING IN A BANK ACCOUNT.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THOUGH.
WE APPROVE ADDENDUM NUMBER TWO TO THE MOU BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[7. Discuss/Act on the Election Administrator applying for the Texas Secretary of State 2025 Help America Vote Act (HAVA Election Security Grant, and all related issues; (Judge New - Election Administrator)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS, AND AN ACT ON THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR APPLYING FOR THE TEXAS SEC, TEXAS SECRETARY OF STATE 2025 HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.MR. LYNCH? GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
HEY, UM, I TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, UH, DURING MY BUDGET HEARING, WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, APPLY FOR 40 2005 UP TO $42,500, UH, AT A 20% COMMITMENT FROM THE COMP, UH, FROM THE COUNTY ON THE BACK END OF THAT, UM, WHICH I WILL COVER OUTTA MY CONTRACT FUNDS.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY REQUIREMENT FOR THE COURT TO TAKE ANY, ANY ACTION AS FAR AS ALLOCATING MONEY TOWARD THIS GRANT.
WE LOOK TO USE THIS GRANT, UH, IF WE'RE APPROVED TO BUY ADDITIONAL TABLETS, WHICH AGAIN IS THAT LITTLE PORTABLE DEVICE WE USE TO CHECK PEOPLE IN OUTSIDE, UH, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL ENCRYPTED THUMB DRIVES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD, UH, STOCK ON HIM.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA DO BETTER INTERNALLY ABOUT HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THOSE, BECAUSE EVERY ELECTION WE DO, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SAVE THOSE RECORDS FOR A PERIOD OF 20, 22 MONTHS.
THEY'RE SOARED, UM, IN MY WAREHOUSE.
AND THOSE ENCRYPTED THUMB DRIVES ARE, ARE PART OF THAT, AND THAT'S A CHANGE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT ONE OUT INTERNALLY AND I THINK WE'LL BE FINE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, MY DEPUTY HAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE GRANT, AND THIS IS THE BACK END OF THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA COMMIT THESE RESOURCES TO SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGIES TYPE REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UH, CRAIG, I KNOW CRAIG ALREADY WENT THROUGH IT AND HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE, SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU, UH, ACT ON ALLOWING ME THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION AND OUR CURRENT EXISTING APPLICATION TO APPLY FOR THE GRANTS.
YEAH, SO THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
OUR PACKET SAYS, UH, LEGAL REVIEW IS PENDING IF IS, WE GOT THE THUMBS UP FROM MR. STODDARD.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION? YEP.
DID ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ELECTION MINISTER ADMINISTRATOR APPLYING FOR THE TEXAS STATE SECRETARY OF STATE 2025 HELP AMERICA VOTE GRANT.
AND SPECIFICALLY THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION ENCLOSED WITHIN OUR PACKET IN THE FORM ATTACHED.
UM, DO I NEED TO READ THAT, JENNIFER, OR IS THAT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY WE APPROVE IT IN THE FORM ATTACHED.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[8. Discussion/Presentation from Innovative Transportation Solutions regarding proposal submitted in response to RFQ #004-04-25 Transportation Related Consulting Services, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSSION SLASH PRESENTATION FROM INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS SUBMITTED IN RESPONSE TO RFQ NUMBER 0 0 4 DASH ZERO FOUR DASH 25, TRANSPORTATION RELATED CONSULTING SERVICES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.MR. POLLSTER, THE THE PODIUM IS YOURS, SIR.
I'M BRINGING BACK UP WITH ME TODAY.
UH, CAN I PLUG THIS IN SOMEWHERE WITHOUT BREAKING IT GOES IN LIKE THAT.
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JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS JOHN POLLSTER WITH ITS, I GOT BRENDA CALLAWAY WITH ME.UH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION RELATED TO, UH, THE MATERIAL WE PROVIDED IN YOUR, UH, RFQ REQUEST FOR, UH, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
UH, AND WE, WE WILL SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU IS JUST A RECAP OF THE INFORMATION AND THE, AND THE RFQ SUBMISSION.
UH, ITS AS A FIRM OVER THE YEARS HAS IMPLEMENTED ABOUT $6 BILLION IN PROJECTS.
WE'VE DONE 11 BOND PROGRAMS TOTALING 1.78 BILLION, AND WE CURRENTLY NOW HAVE SIX COUNTIES AND EIGHT CITIES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES TO ALL PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THAT, UH, THAT 1.78, IF YOU'LL LOOK, EACH OF THE COUNTIES THEY START OUT AT, LIKE IN DENTON COUNTIES CASE IN 98, IT WAS AT 8 MILLION.
AND THEN THE NEXT TIME THEY DID IT WAS 180 6 AND THEN THREE 10, AND THEIR LAST ONE WAS SIX 50.
SO AS THESE BOND PROGRAMS MATURE, THEY UH, START TO SEE THAT THE PROGRAMS BENEFIT, UH, ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THE VOTERS TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
YOU'LL SEE THE THREE WE'VE DONE FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY, 17 MILLION WAS PRIMARILY THE FOUR INTERCHANGES.
AND OF SECTION OF THAT, SEVEN 40 2008 WAS ANOTHER FOUR PROJECTS WITH SOME, UH, DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.
AND THEN THE, UH, 2021 BOND PROGRAM WAS FOR 150 MILLION.
SO THOSE ARE THE 11 THAT WE REFERENCED THAT WE'VE, UH, PROVIDED OVER THE YEARS.
SO AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, FOR ROCK WALL, WE'RE MANAGING 24 PROJECTS THAT, UH, HAVE ABOUT A TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST RIGHT NOW COULD GO UP ABOUT $3 BILLION.
AND OVERALL FOR OUR PORTFOLIO, OR A, A MANAGING ABOUT 212 PROJECTS WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST OF 28.2 BILLION.
AND JUST SO WE ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE REGISTERED CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED.
UM, SO Y'ALL, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
AND AGAIN, WE WORKED ON, UM, $1.78 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IN MY TIME.
UH, MORE IMPRESSIVE, UH, RESUME IS MS. CALLOWAY.
SHE'S GOT 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE, 34 OF THAT WITH TXDOT.
MAJORITY OF THAT WAS IN THE ROCKWALL, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY AREA OFFICE, MANAGING MORE THAN, UM, UH, $1.5 BILLION IN PROJECTS AND, UH, MANAGING 75 EMPLOYEES.
SHE'S HAD, I FIRST MET BRENDA BACK IN 91 WHEN SHE WAS THE FIRST PROGRAMMER THAT TEXDOT HAD.
AFTER THEY SWITCHED OVER FROM THE OLD HIGHWAY BILL TO THE NEW ICET, BILL TEXDOT HAD TO WORK WITH THE MPO.
UH, AND THEY, THEY, THEY STARTED THAT PROJECT AS A PROGRAMMER, FUNDING PROGRAMMER THAT ACTUALLY MATURED INTO WHO IS NOW THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING DIRECTOR, WHICH IS TRAVIS CANDLE CAMPBELL.
BUT BRENDA WAS THE, THE, UH, ORIGINAL OG ON THAT ONE.
UH, AND SHE'S DONE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SHE'S HAD RIGHT AWAY ASPECTS.
SHE'S DONE EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO IN T DOT, UH, ADVANCED PLANNING, PROJECT DELIVERY.
BARRY HARD COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
HE'S GOT 33 YEARS EXPERIENCE, 25 YEARS, UH, IN TDOT ALL OVER THE STATE.
UH, HE, I LIKE TO JOKE WITH HIM.
HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AS A COLLIN COUNTY AREA ENGINEER, BUT ONE YEAR IN DENTON IS LIKE FIVE YEARS IN COLLIN 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER GAME TO PLAY.
AND HE WORKED FOR LTRA AND DID A LOT OF THE MANAGEMENT ON DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING SERVICES, BOTH IN ROCKWALL AND KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, I KNOW THE COURTS ARE, UH, TWO YEARS TO, AND MAYBE SIX MONTHS DEPENDING, I WANT TO BACK UP AND KIND OF GIVE SOME HISTORY ON THESE PROJECTS.
SO THE I 30 JOHN KING BOULEVARD PROJECT, UH, WITH THE COUNTY PUT IN, UH, 5 MILLION AND THE STATE PUT IN 24 MILLION BUCKS.
AND THESE ARE IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, I BELIEVE, BUT WE'LL GET TO 'EM IN A SECOND.
THE NEXT PROJECT WAS SEVEN 40 NORTH.
THESE WERE ALL IN THE FIRST OH FOUR BOND PROGRAM.
UH, AGAIN, THE COUNTY ON THIS ONE, WE, BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA DO SEVEN 40 SOUTH PARTNERING, TLO PICKED UP THE NORTHERN SECTION AND THAT WAS AT $21.3 MILLION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THAT HANDSOME MAN TO THE SECOND FROM THE LEFT.
UH, HE WAS AT THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR US THAT AS WELL BACK WHEN WE WERE ALL YOUNG.
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WAS FM UH, 5 51 AT I 30.THE COUNTY PARTICIPATED WITH ABOUT $6.7 MILLION STATE PUT IN THE 29.7.
AND MY PICTURE'S CUTTING OFF 'CAUSE MY DATE'S RIGHT BELOW THAT.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT LIKE 20 17, 20 18.
UM, THE IBY CAMPBELL PROJECT WAS, UH, A PARTICIPATION WHERE WE, UH, ACTUALLY GOT THIS ONE ACTUALLY FUNDED FIRST BEFORE WE GOT THE, UH, PREVIOUS ONE DONE, BUT, UH, IT TOOK LONGER BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUES OUT THERE.
SO IRBY CAMPBELL WAS $4 MILLION PARTICIPATION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE PUT INTO 30.531, AND MOST OF THAT 4 MILLION WAS IN THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF IT.
WE ALSO HAD A, UH, RAMP REVERSAL THAT, UH, CITY ROCKWELL ASKED US TO WORK WITH THE STATE ON.
THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO WE STEPPED UP, WE WORKED WITH THE STATE, WE PUT IN 1,000,005 OF THE TOTAL 3.4 MILLION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT DONE SEVEN 40 SOUTH.
THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR OH FOUR.
UM, WE PUT IN MO BOTH ENGINEERING ON THAT PROJECT AND RIGHT OF ACQUISITION, THAT WAS BACK WHEN THEY STILL REQUIRED A 10% LOCAL MATCH ON, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY LOCATIONS.
THIS WAS, UH, ONE OF THE LAST OF THE FOUR PROJECTS ON THE INTER ON THE, ON THE INTERSTATE THAT ALLOWED THE INTERSTATE TO BE ABLE TO BE WIDENED IN THE FUTURE.
WE PARTICIPATED ON THIS ONE WITH A PASS THROUGH TOLLING PROJECT TOTAL IN 8.8 31 MILLION TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT.
BUT WE'RE GETTING PAID BACK, UH, 1.2 MILLION A YEAR ON THAT, UH, FOR A 10 20 YEAR PERIOD, I THINK.
SO WE PIVOTED IN THE OH EIGHT BOMB PROGRAM WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO DO, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ON 66 THROUGH THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
WE HAD A KIND OF A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THROUGH ROYCE CITY ON A, WITH A COUPLET FOR EVERYBODY TO AGREE ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
COULDN'T GET THAT NAILED DOWN THE COURT AT THE TIME SAID, WE'RE GONNA BACK UP, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ALL OUR EFFORT NOW THAT THE INTERCHANGES ARE DONE AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET INTERSTATE 30 DONE FIRST AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND DO A REHAB.
AND SO THE ISSUE WAS 66, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IS THE OLD 66 HAD A CONCRETE, UH, ROADWAY UNDERNEATH IT THAT WAS ABOUT 22 FEET WIDE.
SO EVERY TIME THEY'D RUN THE ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT FOR 12 FOOT LANES AND THOSE SHOULDERS, THE OUTSIDE EDGES WAS ALWAYS BREAK BECAUSE THE CONCRETE WAS HOLDING UP BETTER THAN THE THE EDGES.
SO WE WORKED WITH, UM, TEXDOT ON THAT.
WE DID A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING ON IT.
WE DID ALL THE ENGINEERING ON IT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE.
AND THEN TEX CAME IN WITH A RECONSTRUCTION WHERE THEY PULLED UP ROBOTIZED ALL OF THE CONCRETE, LEFT IT IN PLACE, PUT IT IN THE SUBGRADE, AND THEN CAME BACK INTO THE 12 FOOT LANES WITH 10 FOOT SHOULDERS AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL THOSE RED AREAS.
I CAN'T READ THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE AREAS.
AND THEN 2 76 FROM 2 0 5 TO FM 5 49, THE COUNTY PUT IN THE ENGINEERING AND, UH, THE LO LOCAL MATCH ON, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE STATE PUT IN THE 22.1 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN 35 49 FROM MY 30 TO 66, AGAIN, THE COUNTY PARTICIPATED WITH THE ADVANCED PLANNING ON THAT, AND THEN THE STATE CAME IN AND FUNDED IT FOR 13.134 MILLION.
SO THIS, I'M JUST SHOWING YOU, THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS OTHER THAN MAKE SURE THAT I 30 WAS A CRITICAL PATH ITEM.
BUT THE I 30 PROJECT FROM, UH, JUST ABOUT THE COUNTY LINE EAST, WHICH AFFECTS ALL OF YOUR COMMUTERS WHO GO IN AND OUT OF DALLAS, UH, THAT PROJECT IS, IS GONNA BE COMPLETE.
UM, I THINK IT'S ALREADY COMPLETED THIS, THIS PAST MONTH.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED.
THIS IS THE I 30 PROJECT FROM DOW ROCK TO 2 0 5.
UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN COMPLETION JULY, 2027.
RIGHT NOW, IT, UH, DOESN'T HAVE ANY COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN IT AND THEY ARE ON CONTRACT ON THAT, BUT WE ARE WORKING IN COORDINATING WITH THEM ON, ON ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH THAT PROJECT.
THE I 30, UH, PROJECT FROM 2 0 5 TO, UH, HUNT COUNTY, THIS WAS PART OF THE PROJECTS THAT GOT FUNDED BECAUSE OF THE INTERCHANGES WERE DONE AND OUT OF THE WAY.
AND, UM, THEY STARTED ON THAT PROJECT AND IT ENDED UP BEING $353 MILLION.
WE ARE, WE DID SOME INTERSECTION, WORKED WITH TEXDOT ON SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS,
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UH, WHERE WE IDENTIFIED SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND PARTNERED WITH LANE SETTLEMAN AT THE AREA OFFICE TO GET SOME, UH, REHAB MONEY ON THAT.AND THAT, UH, SHOULD BE DONE THIS MONTH, HOPEFULLY 66 DOW ROCK.
THAT WAS A SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE DALLAS COUNTY ON THE EAST SIDE, ROCKWELL COUNTY ON THE WEST SIDE, TEX SIDE IN THE MIDDLE AND ETTE ON EITHER SIDE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND SO WE WORKED A PARTNERSHIP WHERE ROCK ROCKWELL COUNTY PAID A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ROCKWALL COUNTY FOR THAT PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, AT THAT TIME IT WAS A, EVERYBODY KNOWS 66 IS NEEDING TO BE IMPROVED THERE.
AND SO IT WAS A JOINT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DALLAS COUNTY, ROCKWELL COUNTY, TEXDOT AND ETTE.
AND, UM, IT SHOULD BE DONE HOPEFULLY IN JULY 5 49.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT'S FUNDED.
IT'S SETTING AT $53.6 MILLION IN FUNDED ALLOCATIONS, PRIMARILY FROM CAT FOUR AND CAT TWO.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH TDOT.
WE JUST SENT AN EMAIL TO THE MPO, UH, ON THIS PROJECT, UH, LOOKING FOR BASICALLY TO SET THE LET DATE SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT, UH, IN THE STIP AND START CONSTRUCTING IT 2 0 5 MIDDLE.
IT'S BEEN FUNDED FOR ABOUT, UM, A YEAR OR SO.
IT'S ALSO GOT BOTH, UH, CAT FOUR AND CAT 12 FUNDING ON IT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LOCATION TO PUT THIS IN.
WHAT YEAR? FOR THE LETTING DATE.
AND THERE ARE SOME, RIGHT, THERE ARE SOME UTILITIES THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOSING TIME ON THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING THE UTILITIES AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LET DATE.
THE UTILITIES ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE.
AND IT'S, UM, WE, THE, THE PARTICIPATION THERE WAS THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME HAD TO PAY FOR THE LOCAL MATCH ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT CAME IN TO LET THE STATE COME IN AND FUND IT FOR 277 MILLION.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND A, A LETTING DATE FOR IT.
AND WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
HEY, UH, PROBABLY EASIEST QUESTION, WHAT ARE THE SIX CITIES THAT, THAT YOU WORK FOR? OH MY WORD, SIX COUNTIES? WELL, NO, THERE'S SIX COUNTIES, BUT THERE ARE EIGHT CITIES.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? I'M GONNA TRY TO GO THIS BY MEMORY.
DENTON, CROWLEY, LEWISVILLE, FLOWER MOUND, UH, ENNI, GRAND PRAIRIE.
GRAND PRAIRIE, GRANDBERRY, AND ALVARADO ALVARADO.
AND WE, UH, THAT QUARTERLY REPORT WE GIVE Y'ALL, IT LISTS UPFRONT ALL OF OUR CLIENTS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR 'EM.
UH, AND, AND SO WE JUST GOT SELECTED, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, FOR HOOD COUNTY TO DO THEIR BOND PROGRAMMING COME NOVEMBER.
SO NOW IT WENT FROM FIVE TO SIX, SO WE LISTED THAT FOR YOU AND IT'LL SHOW UP ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT.
WHO HAS QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I OR MAYBE SO, SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT THAT, UM, MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT SOME, SOME OF THESE LET DATES AND SOME OF KIND OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT.
I'M GONNA FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND OUR, AND OUR PROJECTS, I JUST ADJUSTED IT FOR YOU.
SO THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT, UH, THE LEGISLATURE DID, THERE ARE SOME TEXT SIDE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FIGHTING, UH, UH, INTERNALLY, BUT THE LEGISLATURE, UH, CHAIRMAN CRADOCK HAD A BILL WHERE IT'LL GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER AND IT'S CREATING A GROWTH FUND, UH, FOR, FOR TEXAS, BUT IT, IT WILL ONLY BE FOR, UH, AREAS THAT PRODUCE OIL AND GAS.
SO IT'S A WEST TEXAS, UH, GROWTH FUND.
AND WHAT THEY DID WAS YOU'VE GOT THE RAINY DAY FUND THAT HAS, UH, UH, BANS.
AND SO ONCE THE RAINY DAY FUND GETS ABOVE A CERTAIN POINT, A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE RAINY DAY FUNDS GOES TO FUND SIX FOR TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT THE CREDIT BILL DID WAS TAKE WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE WAS AND CUT A PERCENTAGE OFF OF THAT TO GO TO HIS FUND GROWTH FUND.
SO THAT FUTURE REVENUE FROM PROP SIX OR SEVEN OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT HAS THE RAINY DAY FUND MOVING OVER, IT WAS REDUCED BY WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE WAS THAT IS GOING OVER TO THE WEST TEXAS, UM, AREA.
THE, UH, THE FUNDING, THE, WHAT THE COMPTROLLER DID WAS SAY TO TEXT THAT HIS, YOUR, YOUR BUDGET IS LESS THIS YEAR THAN IT WAS, ALTHOUGH THEY SAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THEY INCLUDE TOILET, PAPER,
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RENT AND ALL THAT IN THEIR BUDGET.THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO TRANSPORTATION ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO BASICALLY WE HAVE A STATIC, UH, FUNDING PICTURE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
BUT WHAT THE COMPTROLLER TOLD
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A HUNDRED DOLLARS IN THAT ACCOUNT, YOU CAN ONLY SPEND UP TO 95.
SO IT'S MAKING IT HARD FOR THE DISTRICTS TO, TO DO WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO IN A PER, PER AN EXAMPLE IN DALLAS DISTRICT IS LAST BUDGET THEY HAD $138 MILLION FOR CONSULTANTS.
THEY WERE, THEY SUBMITTED 168 MILLION FOR DALLAS, THEY GOT 109 AND OF THAT THEY GOT A HOLD BACK 5% IN CASE THE COMPTROLLER SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEXT CYCLE.
SO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH TECH SIDE IS THEY'RE COMING TO US AS COUNTIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING ON THESE PROJECTS AND SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU WANT YOUR PROJECTS TO KEEP MOVING, OUR BUDGETS ARE GONNA BE CUT.
SO YOU NEED TO STEP UP AND, UH, PICK UP MORE OF THOSE ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A GOOD SHAPE BECAUSE THE PROJECTS THAT, THAT WE ARE PROGRESSING, WE ARE PROGRESSING, WE USING YOUR BOND FUNDS NOW THE OH EIGHT, WE'VE STRETCHED THAT RUBBER BAND ABOUT AS TIGHT AS IT'LL GO.
UH, THINK THAT, UH, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THOSE MONIES ARE, ARE FULLY ENCUMBERED FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT A CRITICAL CUT POINT THERE.
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE'S GONNA BE WHEN WE SAY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LET SLOT IS THAT T STOCK COMMISSION ARE, ARE PLAYING AROUND WITH THIS IDEA OF CALLED LEVEL LETTING.
AND WHAT LEVEL LETTING MEANS IS THAT THEY'VE GOT A HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS THEY'RE GONNA SPEND OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
THEY WANT EACH YEAR TO ROUGHLY HAVE ABOUT $10 BILLION IN IT.
WELL, YOUR PROJECTS DON'T GET READY IN A UNIFORM WAY.
UH, AND SO JUST RECENTLY THEY CUT $2 BILLION OUTTA AUSTIN AND $4 BILLION OUTTA HOUSTON NOT CUT IT, MOVED IT OUT OF THE FOUR YEAR STEP INTO YEARS FIVE THROUGH NINE BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BUDGET TO STAY LEVEL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S A CASHFLOW ISSUE, BUT THE WORD ON THE STREET IS A GC WAS SAYING THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ACCORDION LETTING WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN ONE YEAR AND NOT A LOT IN THE NEXT YEAR.
AND SO THEY PUT PRESSURE ON EVERYBODY TO MAKE THE LETTING GO LEVEL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH SENDING THAT EMAIL BOTH TO, UH, MICHAEL AND THE DISTRICT RELATED TO WHICH ONES OF OUR PROJECTS ARE READY.
AND SO THEY CAN LOOK TO FIND THAT SLOT TO SLOT IT IN, IN THE NEXT HEARING.
THEY CUT ANY OUT OF DFW? UH, YES, BUT NOT REALLY.
IN DENTON COUNTY, WE HAD A $550 MILLION PROJECT ON 35 NORTH OF UH, DENTON.
AND THE LAST TIME WE LET A, THE PREVIOUS $440 MILLION WENT IN DENTON AND IT CAME IN AT FIVE 50.
AND SO WHAT TXDOT SAID IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ANY MORE PROJECTS ABOVE 250 MILLION.
SO WE WERE BACKING UP TO CUT THAT PROJECT UP INTO LITTLE PIECES ANYWAY, WHICH WAS GONNA PUSH IT.
AND SO DALLAS DISTRICT DIDN'T TELL HEADQUARTERS THAT.
AND SO WHEN THE HEADQUARTERS MOVED IT, IT WAS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, NO HARM NO FOUL.
SO DALLAS GOT FIVE 50 CUT, UH, WHICH WAS A MINOR ISSUE 'CAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GONNA PUSH OUT ANYWAY.
BUT OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE STATE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AT GETTING THEIR PROJECTS READY ARE HAVING THEIR PROJECTS PUSHED.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA START GETTING HARDER AND HARDER.
BUT THOSE WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THE, IN THE PROCESS AND PARTNERING WITH THEIR PARTNERS BECAUSE THE MONEY GETS SHORT, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THOSE WHO ARE PARTNERING WITH THEM.
WHO ELSE? UM, I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO, I WASN'T GONNA ASK THIS, BUT YOU SAID 5 49 IS FUNDED, CORRECT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THAT MEANS THAT IT'S IN THE, THE 10 YEAR PLAN AND IT'S IN THE FOUR YEAR TIP AND IT'S GOT, AND WE CAN PULL UP THE REPORT.
IT HAS SO MUCH CAT TWO AND SO MUCH CAT FOUR ON IT, WHICH MEANS THAT IT IS FUNDED.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND A LETTING DATE THAT WE CAN FIT IN THAT LEVEL, LET, 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE PROJECTS AND WHAT THE DALLAS DISTRICT'S GOOD AT IS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE CUT A LOT OUTTA THESE OTHER DISTRICTS, THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA HIT THEIR MARK FOR GETTING THEIR PROJECTS LET, AND THE STATE STILL WILL HAVE TO LET THAT 10 BILLION.
AND SO TEX DOT'S FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 12 TO NINE TO 12 MONTHS, THAT THEY'LL HAVE A SLOT FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT HAVE FUNDING THAT ARE FULLY YEAR MARKED.
THEY JUST WERE WAITING FOR A LET DATE BECAUSE I, AND I DON'T, I CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND
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IT LIKE YOU DO JOHN, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY AND I MET WITH, UM, SOME FOLKS FROM TEXDOT A MONTH OR TWO AGO AND THEY SAID THAT THAT 5 49 WAS NOT IN THE FOUR YEAR PLAN.SO THERE'S A, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE YOU SAY IT'S FUNDED AND WE FINISHED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE IN MAY OF N 2019, WE FINISHED OUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.
UM, OUR PLANS ARE DONE AND WE'RE READY TO LET LAST NOVEMBER, BUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY GET THE ROAD BUILT? OKAY, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL LAYERS WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING AND ACTUALLY LETTING A PROJECT WHEN HE SAYS IT'S FULLY FUNDED, TXDOT HAS PICTURE 10 OR 12 CHECKBOOKS.
AND IN THESE CHECKBOOKS THEY'VE GOT MONEY FOR CATEGORY FOUR AND THEY'VE GOT MONEY FOR CATEGORY FIVE AND THEY'VE GOT MONEY FOR CATEGORY 12.
SO MONEY OUT OF THOSE CHECKBOOKS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT AND ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT.
SO THERE'S MONEY EARMARKED FOR THIS PROJECT.
BUT THEN WITH THEIR OVERALL LETTING, REGARDLESS OF WHICH CHECKBOOK THE MONEY COMES OUT OF, THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DOING 10 BILLION A YEAR AND THEY WANT TO DIVIDE IT UP OVER THE 12 MONTHS.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, WHAT IS IT, 900 MILLION YEAH.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT MONEY ALLOCATED TO THAT PROJECT AND IT'S COME OUT OF THOSE CHECKBOOKS AND NOBODY ELSE WILL GET IT, NOW WE NEED TO FIND A PLACE, A MONTH AND YEAR PLACE FOR THAT PROJECT WHERE IT WILL WORK INTO THEIR LETTING CAP AND THEIR LETTING VOLUMES.
SO IN THE 10 YEAR UTP, IT'S GOT THE 50 WHATEVER MILLION DOLLARS, BUT IT COULD BE FLOATING IN YEAR FIVE.
BUT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL PUT IT IN YEARS ONE THROUGH FOUR, WHICH IS THE, THE LEAD, THE, THE, THIS FOUR YEAR LANDING PERIOD'S CALLED THE STEP, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PUSHING PROJECTS OUT RIGHT NOW TO GET DOWN TO THAT 10 BILLION.
'CAUSE UH, 26 HAD 13 SOMETHING, 27 HAD 15 AND AND 28 HAD 18 BILLION THAT WERE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO.
THE COMMISSION JUST DECIDED THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY, THEY WANT IT TO, THEY WANT WAIT, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GONNA PAY MORE IN THE OUT YEARS.
SO WE DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA LAST VERY LONG BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A HUE AND CRY ACROSS THE STATE JUST LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO.
WE GOT THE MONEY, THE PROJECT'S READY, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT POLICY IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT LETTING IT AND WE'RE GONNA FIGHT THAT FIGHT.
AND AGAIN, OF COURSE 5 49 IS, IS A, IS A REALLY INTERESTING CASE STUDY TO ME BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ODD ROAD AND IT'S A VERY SMALL PROJECT, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
UM, AND YET I LOOK AT WHEN YOU DID THE DOW ROCK, AND I REALLY WASN'T TRYING TO GET IN ALL THIS, BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT'S FUNDED THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOW ROCK INTERSECTION PROJECT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE DATE, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION DATE, THOSE ARE ABOUT THE SAME.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S ABOUT DONE, THAT'S A LOCAL LET.
AND SO TO ME IT GETS, IT'S REALLY CONFUSING BECAUSE I THINK I'VE GOT PEOPLE IN MY PRECINCT THAT LIVE ALONG THAT AND THAT THEY COME UP 2 0 5 AND THEY GET STUCK AT THAT CRAZY INTERSECTION.
AND I THINK, WELL, HOW DO WE GET THIS DONE? WHICH BRINGS ME REALLY TO MY BIGGEST QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS, AND THAT IS, UM, ARE WE REALLY, ARE WE STILL FOLLOWING THE RIGHT STRATEGY? BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR STRATEGY, AND JOHN, I FIRST MET YOU IN 2008 ON THE ROAD CONSORTIUM, OKAY? AS I UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY, IT'S TRA STRATEGY.
IT'S LET'S GET EVERYTHING READY AND THEN WHEN TDOT'S READY, THEY'LL HAND US MONEY.
OKAY? AND 5 49 TO ME IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FRUSTRATION WITH THAT STRATEGY BECAUSE WE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.
AND THEN WHEN WE TALKED TO THE FOLKS FROM TXDOT, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU'RE NOT EVEN IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
AND I THINK, WELL, HOW CAN THAT BE? AND SO IT JUST MAKES ME ASK KIND OF A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION IS, WHICH IS DO WE NEED TO START BE, START LOOKING AT OTHER STRATEGIES HERE AND OTHER WAYS OF APPROACHING THIS? BECAUSE IF YOU COULD PICK 5 49, YOU COULD GO INTO COMMISSIONER ONE OR COMMISSIONER GALANES PRECINCT ON 2 0 5 NORTH WHERE PEOPLE ARE LINED UP, YOU KNOW, YOU SIT THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT SIX BLINKS AND YOU'RE, BEFORE YOU FINALLY GET TO GO THROUGH AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE WANNA GET DONE AND OUR CITIZENS SCREAM
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TO GET DONE, AND WE ALL TELL THEM WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET DONE, THEY'RE JUST NOT MOVING FAST.SO HOW DO WE IMPROVE THAT? AND WE'RE, YOU GUYS ARE OUR EXPERTS AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT ARE WE DOING, WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WITH MY HISTORY WITH TDOT, IT'S ALWAYS EBBED AND FLOWED.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD TIMES WHEN THERE WAS A GLUT OF MONEY AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE READY TO GO.
AND THANKFULLY THE DALLAS DISTRICT HAS WHAT THEY CALL THE RACK AND STACK, UM, UM, IDEA OF GETTING PROJECTS READY.
SO THEY ALWAYS HAVE FIVE PROJECTS OR MORE READY TO GO WHEN THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE.
THEN WE'LL COME INTO A LULL WHEN THERE'S NOT CONSTRUCTION FUNDS AVAILABLE AND EVERYBODY STARTS SLOWING DOWN DOING THEIR ENGINEERING LIKE TDOT IS RIGHT NOW.
WE THINK IF WE CONTINUE WITH OUR ENGINEERING AND WE RACK AND STACK 'EM AND HAVE 'EM ON THE SHELF READY TO GO, WHEN WE COME TO THIS NEXT RISE AND WE'VE GOT, UM, A GLUT OF CONSTRUCTION FUNDING AGAIN, THEN OURS WILL BE READY TO GO IN AND TAKE THE PLACE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
NOW AS FAR AS LOOKING AT IT COUNTYWIDE, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO IN THE JULY CONSORTIUM, COME BACK AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT PROJECTS, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM AND LONG TERM PROJECTS.
YOUR SHORT TERM WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN WITH YOUR MS. MAY EXTENSION, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FINANCIALLY HANDLE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION WITH BOND FUNDS OR WITH A PARTNER TO GET PROJECTS ON THE GROUND.
THEN HAVE MEDIUM RANGE PROJECTS.
AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE 2 0 5 FM FIVE 50 RIGHT TURN LANE THAT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TMP TO DO THE ENGINEERING ON.
THAT'S A REALLY QUICK PROJECT.
WE STARTED WITH THEM IN THE FALL.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT 60% OF THE PS AND E UM, COMPLETED.
UM, NO RIGHT OF WAY IS NEEDED.
VERY FEW UTILITY ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE NEEDED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT'S READY, THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.
DO WE GO AND LOOK, ARE THERE SAFETY FUNDS THAT WE CAN GET TO FUND THIS? OR IF IT'S 500,000, DO WE COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE SUPPORT.
WE WANT TO USE BOND MONEY FOR IT.
WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR LONG TERM AND THAT'S YOUR 5 49, YOUR 5 52, YOUR STATE HIGHWAY TWO OH FIVES, JUST HISTORICALLY THEY'VE TAKEN 10 TO 15 YEARS FROM CONCEPTION TO ACTUALLY GOING TO CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE STILL UNDERNEATH THAT 10 YEAR TIMELINE.
RIGHT? BUT, BUT BRENDA, THOSE ARE THE ROADS EVERYBODY'S DRIVING ON EVERY DAY.
THOSE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE DRIVING EVERYBODY INSANE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC'S SO BAD.
AND, AND THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE HERE, AND THE WHOLE REASON YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS PRESENTATION IS BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR BIDS ON OUR CONSULTING SERVICES.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I WORKED VERY WELL WITH YOU.
YOU'RE, I READ WAS READING THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION HERE AND IT TALKED ABOUT HOW AVAILABLE YOU ARE, HOW MANY MEETINGS YOU'RE WILLING TO COME TO.
AND THAT IS ALL TRUE IN MY EXPERIENCE.
OKAY? REALLY LIKE WORKING WITH YOU.
BUT I'VE JUST STARTING, I MEAN, I JUST THINK ON A BIG PICTURE, ARE WE LOOKING AT, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES? I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE A FOUR LANE OUT OF 5 48 AND NOBODY ON THE COURT WOULD VOTE TO DO IT, BUT WE GOTTA, OR OR ON 2 0 5 IT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU GUYS AND SAYING YOU'RE OUR CONSULTANTS, WE'RE LOOKING JUST LIKE I WAS TALKING TO NICO A FEW MINUTES AGO.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU GUYS FOR PROPOSALS AND SOLUTIONS AND ANSWERS TO TRY AND EXPEDITE THINGS BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS ARE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY IT'S GOING.
WELL, THIS IS WHERE I GET IN TROUBLE.
'CAUSE THE ANSWER, OUR EASY ANSWER IS, IS START TAKING THE ADVICE WE GIVE YOU, FIRST OF ALL, SECOND, REESTABLISH YOUR TRUST WITH YOUR PARTNERS, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED 'EM MORE GOING FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WHILE WE'RE IN.
FINALIZE THE COMMITMENT YOU MADE IN THE PAST.
YOU'RE TWO YEARS BEHIND ON ISSUING DEBT FOR THE THE BOMB PROGRAM NOW.
AND SO THAT'S TWO YEARS BACK THAT WE'RE ALREADY NOW.
SO I'M SAYING IF YOU WANT 5 49 DONE AND YOU DIDN'T GET THE ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEARED AND YOU, AND YOU WAIT FOR TECH SIDE TO PUT A CONSULTANT ON IT, THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THE WORK IN DALLAS.
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SO THE ONLY WAY YOU HAVE A CHANCE IS TO FOLLOW OUR WAY.AND YOU CAN CHECK WITH TEXTILE.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO GET THIS DONE.
AND THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU WE ARE THEIR TP AND D DIRECTOR FOR THE COUNTIES WE WE MEET WITH.
WE GET THESE PROJECTS READY TO GO AND FUNDED.
NOW WHEN THE COMMISSION DECIDES THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE LEVEL LET THAT STARTED ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, I'VE GOT THE INTERNAL PRESENTATION THAT THEY MADE.
UH, THEY'RE STILL HAVING TO SELL IT TO THE STATE.
UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT, BUT WE GOT THE INFORMATION FIRST AND WE STARTED ALREADY DEALING WITH THAT TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE GOT 5 49, 5 49, IT'S FUNDED.
WE ARE STILL FIGHTING TO GET 2 0 5 AND 5 49 IN THAT FOUR YEAR LE WINDOW.
AND SO 5, 5 49 IS AN EASIER ONE TO DO 'CAUSE IT'S 50 SOMETHING MILLION OUT OF, OUT OF A, OUT OF ALL THEY DO AT THE $10 BILLION YOU CAN PUT A $50 MILLION JOB IN AND AND NOT BE NOTICED.
A $277 MILLION JOB IS A LITTLE HARDER TO DO.
YEAH, IT, SO WE'RE, I GET WE'RE PUSHING THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T DO THE THINGS WE'RE TELLING YOU TO DO, YOU WON'T EVEN BE IN THE GAME.
SO, OKAY, SO LET ME DIG INTO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO WE HAVE 21 BOND MONEY, WE HAVEN'T ISSUED A PENNY OF YET.
AND YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE TWO YEARS BEHIND THE PLAN OF ISSUING THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TWO YEARS BEHIND ON ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS GETTING ANYWHERE NEAR BEING DONE.
LIKE I'VE GOT 1140, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I'VE GOT 1141 AND 5 52 THAT YOU GO BY SCHOOLS THAT ARE DANGEROUS THAT I CANNOT GET DONE.
SO IF YOU GO LOOK, UH, AND I CAN SEND YOU THE SPREADSHEET.
WHEN WE DID THE 21 BOND PROGRAM, WE STARTED USING OH EIGHT MONEY TO FINISH THAT OUT, STARTING THOSE PROJECTS WITHOUT ISSUING DEBT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS IN 23 OR 24.
UH, I, WE'VE BEEN ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL TO MOVE THINGS AROUND TO GET WHATEVER THINGS THAT Y'ALL WANNA DO IN BETWEEN THEN AND NOW WITH THE LITTLE FUNDS WE HAVE LEFT, UH, TO FORWARD, BUT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST AND AREN'T GONNA GET FUNDED.
I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE WHEN I DRIVE AROUND, THIS IS JUST THE FRUSTRATING PART.
WHEN I DRIVE AROUND THE METROPLEX, I SEE PROJECTS GOING ON EVERYWHERE AND WE'VE BEEN THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY, THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING COUNTY, AND YET I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT A STANDSTILL.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE HERE AND OUR CITIZENS FEEL THAT WAY AND WE'RE AT A STANDSTILL.
AND IF IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING YOUR PLAN, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE.
PART OF THE, AND A FAILURE OF THE CONSORTIUM.
BUT PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS, AND I'M, I'M REALLY SAD THAT THE DATES WENT ON THERE.
THEY'RE ON MINE IS THE, THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE PROJECTS WERE OUTTA THE OH FOUR BOND PROGRAM.
THOSE STARTED BEING COMPLETED IN 2013.
SO THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF FAITH-BASED COMMITMENTS THAT THE COURTS OF THE PREVIOUS YEARS SEEN.
NOTHING HAPPEN INITIALLY TAKE EIGHT YEARS BEFORE THEY SAW THOSE PROJECTS HIT THE GROUND AND OPEN.
AND SO, AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS 13, 14, 17, 18, 20, 21, AND THEN YOU START SEEING 'EM DOMINO BECAUSE THEY'RE, WE'RE PUMPING 'EM IN THE PIPELINE AND WE'VE, WE ARE STOPPED PUMPING THEM IN THE PIPELINE.
THE THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW ON A STATE ROAD, REGARDLESS OF IF, IF IT'S FUNDED WITH BOND FUNDS OR IF IT'S FUNDED WITH TECH STOCK FUNDS, IT'S THE EXACT SAME PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEPA PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO GET THE SCHEMATIC APPROVED, YOU'VE GOT TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU'VE GOT TO DO THE P, S AND E AND RELOCATE UTILITIES.
WHAT WHAT HELPS YOU WITH YOUR BOND FUNDS IS YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF THAT FAUCET AND HOW WIDE OPEN THAT FAUCET IS TO GET IT COMPLETE AND SITTING THERE READY SAYING, HEY, IF ANYBODY NEEDS A PROJECT, WE'RE READY.
TDOT ON PROJECTS THAT T DOT FUNDS, THEY HAVE THE HANDLE OF THE FAUCET, AND RIGHT NOW THEIR FAUCET IS TURNED DOWN TO LOW, IT'S AT A TRICKLE.
SO ANY OF THE PROJECTS, YOUR FM 35 RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER WE HAD IT, WE WERE GONNA DO IT WITH BONDS.
THE FAUCET ON IT HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN.
AND I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENED ALL IN NORTH TEXAS AND THE, AND THE FAUCET AS YOU'RE USING THAT ANALOGY, IT'S BEING TURNED DOWN BECAUSE I THINK THE FUNDING ISN'T THERE WE'RE TO SOME OF THESE I THINK, I THINK THIS COURT EVEN, EVEN, YOU KNOW, AS OF A YEAR AGO, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR PART, ESPECIALLY ON THE TWO EXAMPLES YOU JUST USED 5 49 AND WE'VE DONE OUR PART.
IT'S, WE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON, ON YOUR, YOUR ON OUR STATUS OF THESE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE MONEY.
AND I, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN TECH DOT ENFORCE LEVEL A FIRST TIME.
AND, AND, AND I THINK, AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL LAST.
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NOT THINK IT'S GONNA, IT MAY NOT LAST.AND JOHN, I I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEGREE BRENDA, LIKE YOU, BUT I'M ALSO, FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'RE SEEING A SHIFT HERE.
AND I THINK THAT MAYBE SOME OF THINGS AREN'T AS RELEVANT IN THE PROCESS.
WE MAY NEED TO BE STEPPING BACK.
AND THAT'S NOT FOR THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU AND Y'ALL SERVICES.
I JUST THINK FROM THE CONSORTIUM STANDPOINT, MAYBE IT, IT, THE, THE PROCESS OF HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AND BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA, WE MAY NEED TO STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO UTILIZE, AND I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID, BRENDA, AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING IS AS COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, STAGE A, STAGE B AND STAGE C TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT MAY BE PART OF WHAT THE CONSORTIUM NEEDS TO BE WORKING ON FROM OUR ROAD PROJECTS.
AND I, I, I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE BECAUSE THE JUDGE HAS ALREADY, UH, SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON WORKING ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD PROJECT, WE, WE'VE GIVEN HOMEWORK FOR PRIORITIES AND I SEE OUR ENGINEER IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND I KNOW THAT SHE'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
SO, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE, THAT THAT THE CONSORTIUM AS IT WAS CREATED BY COMMISSIONER MAGNUS, THE RELEVANCY AND BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS, WE, WE JUST NEED TO PROBABLY LIKE REWORK ON SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M, I'M AT A STANDSTILL OF WIFI 49.
WE, WE DO HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
IT'S OUTDATED, WHICH, WHICH MEANS IT'S TO SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
IT'S OUTDATED, IT'S NOT, NOT BENEFICIAL.
UM, WHO, WHO ELSE, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ONE OF MY ANOTHER QUESTIONS HERE, WHICH WAS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO UPDATE OUR MA MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN? I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS DONE IN 18, WHICH MEANS IT WAS REALLY DONE IN 17.
SO WE'RE EIGHT YEARS BEHIND, WE'VE HAD IN MASSIVE GROWTH.
WHAT'S, HOW DO WE GET THAT MOVING FORWARD? AND DO YOU GUYS HELP US WITH THAT? OR HOW DO WE DO IT? WE HELP, BUT Y'ALL HAD ON CONTRACT, THE BEST FIRM I, IN ALL MY COUNTIES, WE HIRE FREEZING NICHOLS AS PLANNING GUYS TO DO THE THOROUGHFARE PLANNERS.
THEY'RE THAT IN CONNECTED TO COG, THEY'RE THAT CONNECTED TO THE REGION FREEZING NICKELS.
I I'M, I'M NO FAN OF THEM ON THEIR DESIGN SIDE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR PLANNING AND THOROUGHFARE PLANS, THEY ARE, THEY ARE MA MATCHED BY NONE.
SO WE SHOULD TALK WITH THEM ABOUT GETTING THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATED.
THEY'LL COME IN AND GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY DID LAST TIME.
'CAUSE Y'ALL LOOK AT A MAP, THERE'S A BOOK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SOMEWHERE, AND IT'S THE BOOK THAT DRIVES YOUR THOROUGHFARE PEN AND THEY DO CHAPTER AND VERSE ON THAT.
AND, UM, THE, THOSE, THOSE WERE REALLY MY PRIMARY QUESTIONS.
I I, I WOULD SAY THOUGH, AGAIN, THE, THE WHOLE REASON YOU GUYS ARE HERE IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE BIDDING THIS OUT AND WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT RE RENEWING A CONTRACT IN SEPTEMBER, BUT I WOULD SURE ASK YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN BEGIN SEEING MORE PROGRESS, UH, AND I THAT WE NEED THAT, WE NEED HELP WITH THAT.
AND YOU GUYS ARE, ARE THERE TO HELP US, RIGHT? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THERE'S, THERE'S OUR YEARS AND THERE'S TRANSPORTATION YEARS.
AND IF, IF YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE OF PROJECTS AT THE NEXT CONSORTIUM, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO RESEARCH.
BUT I BET YOU ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE GOING ON FOR CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN 2025, I BET YOU THAT THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE WAS BACK IN 2012 OR 2013.
OKAY? IT'S 10 TO 15 YEARS GOING THROUGH T STOCK'S PROCESS ON T STOCK ROADS.
BUT WE CUT IT DOWN TO ABOUT SEVEN, BUT WE CUT IT DOWN SEVEN TO 10.
UM, SO, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO RESEARCH THAT WITH YOU, UM, AND LOOK AT ANY PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, BRENDA, I NOTICED THIS PROJECT OVER IN DALLAS, AND IF IT'S A TECH STOCK PROJECT, I CAN TELL YOU FROM CONCEPTION TO COMPLETION HOW LONG IT TOOK.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY, I I UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING.
BELIEVE YOU ME, I HAD SIX PROJECTS GOING ON IN FORNEY AT ONE TIME AND HAD PEOPLE CALLING ME, JUST, YOU NEED TO DO ONE BEFORE YOU DO ANOTHER.
AND AS AN ASSISTANT AREA ENGINEER, I TOLD THEM, NO, I AM NOT TURNING DOWN ANY MONEY THAT T STOCK GIVES ME.
WE WILL SUFFER THROUGH ALL THESE PROJECTS GOING AT ONE TIME SO WE CAN GET 'EM DONE.
'CAUSE IF WE TURN THAT MONEY DOWN, YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT BACK NO TIME SOON.
AND WE DID THE SAME THING IN ROCKWALL COUNTY TOO.
UM, WE WILL LOOK AT AND GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE COULD ALSO START LOOKING AT SOME SHORT TERM PROJECTS THAT MAYBE YOU COULD BRING ONLINE
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IN THREE YEARS THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE PERCEPTION.AND THEN EDUCATING THE PUBLIC WITH HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A PROJECT FROM CONCEPTION TO LETTING, OKAY.
UM, HOW MANY PROJECTS WERE ADDED TO THE DALLAS AREA, UTP COMING OUT OF THIS LAST SESSION? I DON'T THINK ANY DID ONE, JUST, JUST I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND.
1, 1, 1 PROJECT IN DALLAS, THE WHOLE SIX COUNTIES.
THE, THE COMPTROLLER SAYS, HEY, TDOT, YOU HAVE THIS BUDGET, BUT WE BELIEVE WE OVERSHOT IT, AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE LESS MONEY.
AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY.
DALLAS COUNTY ABSORBS A ROCK WALL EVERY YEAR.
LIKE THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL MOVES INTO DALLAS COUNTY MORE THAN THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL MOVES INTO HARRIS COUNTY EVERY YEAR.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS INFLUX OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE COUNTY, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE STATE AND SAY, WELL, WE WERE AT 70 AND NOW WE'RE AT 1 25.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S CUTE BECAUSE 200,000 PEOPLE MOVED INTO DALLAS COUNTY LAST YEAR AND YOU CAN'T DRIVE IN DALLAS COUNTY, AND 300,000 PEOPLE MOVED INTO HARRIS COUNTY.
WERE TRYING TO BUILD ROADS IN HARRIS COUNTY.
THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CHAIR OF TRANSPORTATION SAYING, I'M IN THE ODESSA PERM AND Y'ALL DON'T GIVE ME A PENNY.
I MEAN, THIS IS A, THIS TECH STOP PROBLEM.
WE WANNA SIT THERE AND JUST SAY, WELL, IT'S THIS, OR, YOU KNOW, ITS ISN'T DOING A GOOD JOB OR WHATEVER.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE'S SAYING THAT, BUT YOU JUST GET SO FRUSTRATED.
BUT THIS STATE IS TAKING IN PEOPLE AT A RATE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE, AND TDOT IS GETTING $10 BILLION A YEAR WITH NO GROWTH IN SIGHT.
THEY, THEIR OWN PROJECTIONS SAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE LETTING $20 BILLION A YEAR JUST TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH.
AND THEY CAN BARELY GET 10 BILLION PUT OUT STATEWIDE EVERY YEAR.
SO I JUST WANT TO US TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND, AND, AND THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS WHOLE PROBLEM.
I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET YOU JUMP IN.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT, BUT LISTEN, THE IMPACT OF 200,000 PEOPLE ON DALLAS AND THE IMPACT OF 20,000 PEOPLE ON ROCKWALL IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE HAVE JUST AS BIG A NEEDS THE PROBLEM, I GET IT, THAT SOME OF THE TXDOT IS BROKEN RIGHT NOW, THE FUNDING AT THE STATE MODEL IS BROKEN.
OUR REPS AREN'T BRINGING BACK ROADS.
OKAY? WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS.
WE AREN'T GETTING ANY HELP IN AUSTIN TO GET ROADS BUILT, AND WE HAVEN'T FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO DO THE PROCESS THAT IS LAID OUT IN OUR CONSORTIUM, AND WE HAVE GOT TO ADHERE TO IT TO GET ROADS BUILT.
THAT IS WHAT THIS IS TELLING ME OVER AND OVER IS, THERE'S NO WAY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA GO TO AUSTIN AND FIX IT.
LET'S GET IN THE GAME AT LEAST.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE SITTING ON 21 BOND MONEY.
WE HAVEN'T ISSUED A PENNY OF, AND THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN FOR CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS ROADS.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE NEED TO GET THE CONSORTIUM FIXED.
WE NEED TO ADHERE TO A PLAN, AND WE NEED TO GET GOING.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE.
SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE CONSORTIUM WAS BACK IN THE DAY IN 2004, NOBODY IN THIS COUNTY TRUSTED EACH OTHER.
RIGHT? SO THE CONSORTIUM WAS A PLACE WHERE WE COULD GO IN AND HAVE A SLUG FEST TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS EVERYBODY STARTED TRUSTING EVERYBODY.
THEY STARTED SEEING SUCCESS, AND NOW IT'S TURNED INTO A 30 MINUTE DRONE FEST.
SO, I MEAN, THERE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE CONSORTIUM.
AND IT JUST, IN MY OPINION, THE CONSORTIUM NEEDS A CHARTER AND BOATS AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT IT WOULD FUNCTION MORE THAT WAY THAN IT DOES NOW.
IT'S LIKE JUST A, LET'S JUST GET AROUND AND CHAT AND HAVE A MEETING AND, AND IT'S PERFUNCTORY AT BEST.
DID DID YOU WANT TO TAKE A, A BREAK? BECAUSE YEAH, I'M, I'M, I WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
SO LET, LET, LET'S, ALL RIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THEY'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN COMMISSIONER, UH, TY'S MOUTH, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUMP IN AND, AND IS, IS HIM AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY COMING AFTER OUR VISIT WITH TXDOT, UM, IS THE SOLUTION THAT, THAT I WANNA SAY WE'RE BEING SOLD, TOLD, OR DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE THREE ROADS THAT WE CAN'T GET FUNDED FOR SURE.
WE, WE HAVE FIVE 50, UH, 5 52, WE HAVE 2 0 5, AND WE HAVE 5 49 3
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ROADS THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S SOME UTILITY STUFF THAT'S NOT QUITE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE READY TO GO, RIGHT? 2 7 6 2 76 IS, I THINK, I, I THINK I MEANT TO SAY IT, I APOLOGIZE.BUT WE HAVE THREE ROADS THAT, THAT WE PASS THE RESOLUTION, THEY'RE READY TO GO, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
NOW WE'RE COMING BACK GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO DO PSNE ON THREE MORE ROADS OR TWO MORE ROADS, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
SO THEN YOU SIT THERE AND GO, WELL, WE HAVE THREE ROADS THAT WE CAN'T GET ANY MOVEMENT ON.
WE SEEMINGLY CAN'T GET ANY MOVEMENT ON.
AND THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY HAVE EXPECTED TO GET DONE.
2 76 WAS IN THE OH EIGHT BOND.
UH, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN THE OH FOUR BOND, SO IT WAS OH EIGHT, IT WAS THE OH EIGHT BOND.
AND, AND, AND YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE LIGHT AT 5 48 IN 2 76.
I MEAN, IT TAKES 20 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THAT LIGHT A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT 5 49, THAT IS A LITTLE BITTY STRIP.
HOW CAN WE NOT FIT THIS IN? SO JUST GIMME A SECOND.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A FULL, FULL CHANCE TO RESPOND, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT FRUSTRATION AT YOU.
THIS IS FRUSTRATION AT IT, THIS THING THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
AND SO, SO THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND GO, OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
SO NOW WE WANNA DO P, S AND E ON THESE THREE ROWS.
WE WANT TO ADD 1141, WE NEED 1141.
WE WANNA DO, FINISH 5 48 THROUGH ROYCE STUDY.
BUT ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING MORE ROADS INTO THE LINE OF SAYING, AT SOME POINT WE MIGHT GET IT DONE.
SO THEN OUR ANSWER IS, WE'RE JUST GONNA ADD MORE PEOPLE TO THE QUEUE AND JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST.
AND OUR, AND OUR FOLKS ARE FRUSTRATED, AND MY FOLKS ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY WANT ROADS BUILT AND, AND, AND WE CAN'T DRIVE IN THIS COUNTY.
AND, AND SO IF THE SOLUTION IS JUST TO DO MORE PSNE WORK AND THEN JUST SIT AND WAIT, THEN I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO REEDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN, OUR WOR OUR OWN WORST ENEMY, NOT THE FIVE OF US, BUT THIS COURT OF OF SELLING SAYING, WELL, WE'RE DOING THIS AND THIS IS GETTING DONE AND THIS IS GETTING DONE.
AND I THINK THAT IS SWELLING UP A LOT OF THE FRUSTRATION WE'RE DEALING WITH WHEN THEY SAID, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED A BOND ON, ON 2 7 6, SO BUILD IT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY CAN'T I GET THIS? AND SO I'M SAYING, I, I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IS, IS SUPER, SUPER IMPORTANT.
WE, WE HAVE A DALLAS UTP FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING DONE.
AND OUTSIDE OF THE CAT 12 AND ROCKWALL, IT'S HARD FOR US TO GO TO TXDOT AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP ROCKWALL.
WHEN THEY MADE A STRATEGIC PROJECT AND PUTTING A BILLION DOLLARS INTO OUR COUNTY, I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING A BILLION DOLLARS NOW FOR ONE ROAD.
AND SO AS COMMISSIONER, SO THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE GETTING A BILLION DOLLARS ON THIS.
AND, AND I'M USING, UM, YOUR THINGS, BUT OUTSIDE OF I 30, WE'VE HAD $560,000 WORTH OF ROADS BUILT IN THIS COUNTY.
THAT'S INCLUDES COUNTY PARTICIPATION AND TOTAL COSTS.
AND SOME OF 'EM AREN'T EVEN DONE.
SO WHAT'S YOUR TIMEFRAME? 'CAUSE I JUST WENT THROUGH 13 PROJECTS.
JUST, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW YOUR TIMEFRAME.
THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY MY POINT IS, IS THAT, IS THAT GOOD? LIKE, LIKE I, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING FRUSTRATED AS A COUNTY, NOT NECESSARILY ME OR BOBBY OR DANA OR FRANK.
IT, IT IS, IS WHAT SHOULD OUR EXPECTATION BE? WE'RE GONNA SAY, WE'RE GONNA SPEND $150 MILLION, WE HAVE $150 MILLION.
WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT TO THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT, TO SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE FINISHED HAVE BEEN ON INTERSTATE 30.
THEY'VE BEEN OVERPASSES, THEY'VE BEEN INTERCHANGES, AND THEY'VE BEEN INTER, AND WE CAN'T DISCOUNT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND HONESTLY DISCOUNT THE IMPROVEMENTS OF INTERSTATE 30 AND SAY, WELL, IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH.
I MEAN, WE NEEDED ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND, AND I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY 2 BILLION, OVER $2 BILLION WORTH OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON INTERSTATE 30 IN THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS.
BUT HOW DO WE, I THINK THAT COMES IN.
AND THEN I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IS YOUR PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, CAN YOU ARTICULATE WHAT YOU MEANT WHEN YOU TALKED AROUND THAT? I'M GONNA START WITH THE 2008 ISSUE FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE PARTNERSHIP.
'CAUSE I DID TWO BOMB PROGRAMS IN 2008, ONE IN ROCKWALL AND ONE IN DENTON COUNTY.
WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER 2008? YOU HAD THE CRASH, RIGHT? EVERYBODY PANICKED.
BUT MY CLIENTS, WE SAID, LOOK, THE TIME TO MOVE IS WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS PANICKING.
AND WHEN THEY DON'T SEE ANY FUTURE, YOU KEEP PIPING THE LINE, YOU KEEP PUTTING 'EM IN THE LINE, YOU COULD PUT 'EM IN.
'CAUSE AT SOME POINT THERE'S GONNA BE REVENUE PUT BACK IN THE, AND IT TOOK LIKE THREE YEARS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND DURING THAT TIME, IF YOU'D WAITED AND STARTED YOUR CLEAR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU STARTED SEEING ALL OF OUR PROJECTS POP ONTO THE, ONTO THE LETTING CYCLE.
AND WE HAD A RUN OF ABOUT 12 PROJECTS THAT GOT FUNDED IN ABOUT A 10 YEAR PERIOD, ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER, AFTER ANOTHER.
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BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PANIC.WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS, IS ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE RETRENCHING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I'M PARTNERING WITH IN TARRANT COUNTY FOR DENTON COUNTY STUFF, TARRANT COUNTY'S GOT THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND.
UH, AND THOSE OF US THAT CONTINUE TO FEED THAT PIPELINE, THIS IS GONNA PASS.
'CAUSE IT ALWAYS PASSES BECAUSE THE OIL AND GAS IS DOWN NOW.
BUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, YOU THINK THE OIL AND GAS IS GONNA BE DOWN.
WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING FREED UP RIGHT NOW, THAT'LL MOVE THE REVENUE BACK UP.
AND IF YOU'RE READY, YOU'RE FUNDED.
SO THE PARTNERSHIP ISSUE IS TDOT, WHEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, THEY LIKE TO USE IT WITH THEIR PARTNERS, BUT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, THEY HAVE TO USE IT WITH THEIR PARTNERS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM AND DOING THE THINGS THEY NEED YOU TO DO, THE MPO, THE THINGS THEY NEED YOU TO DO, THEY'RE GONNA HELP YOU OUT.
AND SO WE, UH, WE SENT THIS MEMO OVER TO MICHAEL MORRIS, I THINK, WHAT IS TODAY? TODAY'S TUESDAY.
TUESDAY, I THINK IT WAS FRIDAY, THAT LISTED THESE PROJECTS IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND WE SAID, LOOK, WE NEED SOME ASSURANCES ON WHEN THESE ARE GONNA GO IN.
'CAUSE MICHAEL'S TORQUED AT THIS WHOLE LEVEL AT, SO HE'S GONNA MAKE A BIG RUSH.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS TRIUM, UH, TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND THESE PROJECTS ARE ON THE HIT LIST FOR BEING FIRST TO GO.
SO IF YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH YOUR PARTNERS AND THEY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HONOR YOUR COMMITMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA HONOR THEIR COMMITMENTS TO YOU.
AND I, I KEEP DANCING AROUND IT, BUT THAT'S THE OUTER LOOP.
AND WE'VE GOT THEM REVIEWING THOSE STUDIES.
NOW THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING AND I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THE COURT TAKE WHATEVER THEY SAY AND PRESS FORWARD WITH THAT SECOND PHASE.
THAT'S GONNA BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE BEST WAY TO GET COG BACK INTO THE FOLD.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE BEST WAY TO GET TEXT DO BACK IN THE FOLD.
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY HAVE HELD BACK MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
UH, BECAUSE THE WE, AND THE REASON I KNOW IT'S NOT THE CASE IS WE'RE HAVING A RUNNING GUN BATTLE IN DENTON COUNTY WITH OUR STATE REP JARED PATTERSON, WHO'S ON TRANSPORTATION.
HE THINKS HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST FLIP A SWITCH AND GET FUNDING.
UH, AND HE DOESN'T, HE'S GOT PROJECTS THAT NEED FUNDING TO, THAT ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT Y'ALL HAVE HERE, WHERE THE HIS PEOPLE, THERE'S 80,000 PEOPLE GONNA MOVE INTO A LITTLE QUADRANT OF DENTON COUNTY IN HIS DISTRICT.
AND HE SAYS THE ONLY AGENCY THAT HE CAN'T DIRECT FUNDING TO STATUTORILY HE CAN, HE GOT A HAZMAT CLEANUP FOR, FOR, UM, FRISCO.
HE GOT ALL THESE OTHER EARMARKS, BUT THE ONE STATUTORY AGENCY HE CAN'T DIRECT TO FUND.
IT'S TDOT, IT'S A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.
YOU CAN'T FORCE HIM TO DO ANYTHING.
SO HE HAS TO GO BEG AND PLEAD.
SO HE'S TORQUED AND HE'S BEING TOLD LEVEL AT LEVEL AT LEVEL AT.
AND SO I THINK AT SOME POINT THE COURT'S GONNA POP ON THIS, THE COMMISSION'S GOING TO HEAR FROM TOO MANY, UH, WEALTHY PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE GOVERNOR.
AND, AND IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA CHANGE, BUT, WELL, AND THE, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN SAY WE'RE, YOU CAN IMPLY I'M, YOU DIDN'T SAY IT.
YOU CAN IMPLY WE'RE NOT HONORING OUR COMMITMENTS.
AND IT'S, I'VE BEEN, I'VE, I'VE
WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS AGREED ON EVERYTHING, BUT TO SAY, AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS COUNTY HAS DONE, WE, YOU, I DON'T THINK THERE YOU COULD EVER SAY WE DIDN'T HONOR OUR COMMITMENTS BECAUSE LOOK AT WHAT WE DID ON I 30.
LOOK AT ALL THAT WORK WE DID TO MAKE A SET UP FOR I 30.
LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING THIS COURT CONDITION AND 'CAUSE WE GET INTO ONE ISSUE ON ONE HIGHWAY.
IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THEM AT IF THE, IF WE'RE REALLY PARTNERS TO SAY WE'RE DONE WITH YOU.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THE MEETING WITH MICHAEL MORRIS, AND THAT'S AN UNFAIR, UH, AS ASCERTAIN OF THAT OR WHATEVER.
THIS PREVIOUS COURT, WHICH THE REASON I'M GONNA SAY PREVIOUS COURT MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE REGION ON THE OUTER LOOP.
BASED ON THAT COMMITMENT, THE REGION STEPPED UP AND PUT IN THE 2 77 ON 2 0 5, THE 68, THE 5 49, THE 2 76, AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT THEY FRONT LOADED THAT UP FRONT.
SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE GOT FUNDED BEFORE THEY WERE ACTUALLY EVEN READY TO GO BASED ON THAT COMMITMENT.
SO WHEN I SAY THAT IT'S A COMMITMENT THAT'S NOT BEING HONORED, THE COMMITMENT WAS TO GET THE OUTER LOOP CLEARED IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.
AND SO THAT'S BLACK AND WHITE TO ME.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR PART.
THEY'RE WANTING YOU TO DO YOUR PART, YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
THAT'S ALL I'M, HE ASKED ME TO ELABORATE.
I DIDN'T, I WASN'T GONNA ELABORATE.
WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO TALK FRANKLY
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AND OPENLY.BUT I, AND SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, AND I WASN'T IN ON THOSE DISCUSSIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON.
BUT TO ME, TO SAY SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH WITH THEM, UM, THAT DOESN'T BREAK A PARTNERSHIP.
THAT'S JUST THINGS YOU WORK THROUGH AND SOLVE.
AND I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING, YOU, YOU BOTH HAVE MET WITH MICHAEL MORRIS, ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE MET WITH MICHAEL.
YOU'VE HEARD YOU'VE HEARD HIS COMMENT.
SO I I HE CAN, HE CAN USE HIS OWN WORDS FOR IT.
UH, SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION BACK TO THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THE RFQ, UH, SO EIGHT CITIES AND SIX COUNTIES THAT ARE NOW JOCKEYING FOR A CALENDAR LET DATE.
HOW PROCEDURALLY HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PROJECTS READY.
I'M ASSUMING EVERY OTHER COUNTY THAT YOU REPRESENT, I IS FOLLOWING YOUR ADVICE AND PUTTING THINGS INTO THE PIPELINE.
THEY HAVE PROJECTS, I'M ASSUMING THE CITIES HAVE PROJECTS WHEN TEXDOT WHO'S COMMUNICATING TO YOU SAYS, HEY, WE'VE GOT, UH, 250 MILLION.
HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHICH ENTITY YOU PUT THERE? PROJECT? YEAH.
THEY, THEY DON'T TELL US THAT.
WHAT THEY, WHAT WE DO IS, AND AND WE ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THIS.
WE PRESS ALL THE PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'VE GOT ONE RIGHT NOW IN DENTON COUNTY THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY DENTON COUNTY, A $42 MILLION JOB THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
AND TEXDOT SAYS, IF WE LET IT, YOU'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE CAN FIND AN OPENING.
SO ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE WAITING FOR AN OPENING.
AND IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT.
AND THE DISTRICT MAKES THOSE DECISIONS.
AND SOMETIMES THEY MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON FINANCIAL ISSUES.
SOMETIMES THEY MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON PARTNERING.
AND SO WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
WE, WE TELL 'EM THAT WE'RE READY.
WE SUBMITTED A, I'LL SEND YOU THE ML EMAIL WE SENT TO, UM, MICHAEL ON FRIDAY.
SHE SAID, ROCKWALL COUNTY'S PROJECTS, DENTON COUNTY'S PROJECTS.
I DON'T THINK COMAN HAS ANYTHING WE SAID THAT WE DO.
AND WE SAID, THESE ARE ALL THE ONES IN THIS REGION THAT ARE BEING HELD UP BY THIS LEVEL OF, LET FIX IT.
TELL ME, YOU, YOU JUST PIQUED MY INTEREST AND ALL.
UH, A PROJECT A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY DENTON COUNTY.
WHY ARE THEY WAITING ON TEXDOT TO LET IT IT'S THEIR ROAD.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOW ROCK AND THESE OTHER PROJECTS, DOW ROCK, THEY CATALOGED AS AN INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT.
THEY'LL LET LOCAL COMP, UH, CITIES DO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY WON'T LET LOCALS BUILD THE STATE HIGHWAYS AND AND FARM MARKETS.
SO IN STATE ROADS, EVEN IF WE'RE FUNDING A HUNDRED PERCENT, HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU'RE STILL MOVING AT THE SPEED OF TEXDOT, CORRECT.
THE SPEED OF, WE NEED T-SHIRTS, SO THE SPEED OF T DOT.
BUT I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING NOW.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL TAKE A LONG VIEW ON THIS, BECAUSE I FEEL DEJA VU BECAUSE ABOUT 2006, 2007, I WAS IN PANAMA CITY WITH MY FAMILY AND I GOT A CALL FROM DAVID MAGNUS AND HE RIPPED ME A NEW ONE.
'CAUSE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING WAS HAPPENING.
AND I TOLD HIM, THIS BOULDER IS 2000 POUNDS.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET IT MOVING.
BUT ONCE IT STARTS MOVING, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF PRODUCTIVITY.
NOW WE'VE LULLED BETWEEN OH EIGHT AND 21.
WE'VE GOT THIS LULL IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE NEED TO START PIPING THOSE PROJECTS AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN PICK UP THAT MOMENTUM.
IT WILL COME BACK, IT WILL COME BACK.
WE'VE HIT, WE HIT A HARD SPOT BETWEEN COVID O UH, 22.
EVERYTHING STARTED GOING FROM COST TO 70%.
WE'RE NOW, THINGS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHLY WORSE.
SO TECH STOCKS HAVING TO RETRENCH ON THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST HAVING THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD WHERE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT HAVE SLOWED DOWN THE PROCESS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST OUR CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONE UP $2 MILLION IN THREE YEARS.
NO, WE LET THE REASON WE, THE REASON WE DECIDED TO BREAK, THE REASON WE DECIDED TO BREAK UP THAT 35 JOB JUST ASKED.
THE REASON WE DECIDED TO BREAK UP THAT 35 JOB IN DENTON COUNTY IS WE LET THE ONE JUST SOUTH OF IT FOR 440 MILLION.
IT CAME IN A HUNDRED MILLION OVER.
SO, UH, INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 30 PROJECT WAS THE SAME WAY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE PRESENTATION AND THE RFQ DENNIS? 'CAUSE WE COULD OBVIOUSLY BE HERE YEAH.
UNTIL THE NEXT CONSORTIUM MEETING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS OFF.
YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY IN CLOSING OR, THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN THAT OFF.
UH, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK ABOUT 1125.
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STILL.[9. Discuss/Act on increasing funding for attorney fees for the NRCS Wallace Lake Reservoir project and the NRCS Dams 16 and 16A dam repair projects by $25,000, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]
GO INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON INCREASING FUNDING FOR ATTORNEY FEES FOR THE NRCS WALLACE LAKE RESERVOIR PROJECT AND THE NRCS DAMS. 16 AND 16, A DAM REPAIR PROJECTS BY $25,000 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.UM, THIS IS DEALS WITH TWO SEPARATE, UM, NRCS DAMS, UH, WALLACE LAKE, WHICH IS IN COMMISSIONER, UH, MOLEX PRECINCT, PRECINCT TWO, AND THEN DAMS 16 AND 16 A, WHICH ARE IN PRECINCT THREE.
AND THEY BOTH ARE SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT IN THE DETAILS.
AND THE SIMILARITY IS BOTH OF THESE DAMS NEED REPAIR WORK DONE.
AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT REPAIR THE DAMS UNLESS THEY GET LEGAL OPINIONS THAT THEIR EXISTING EASEMENTS ARE ADEQUATE.
SO WE'VE HAD TO ENGAGE COUNSEL TO DO THAT.
AND, AND THE DETAILS ON THIS, UH, ON WALLACE LAKE ESPECIALLY, ARE RIDICULOUS AND CRAZY.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT OR THE DAMS WON'T BE REPAIRED.
UH, THERE ARE EASEMENTS IN PLACE, BUT THEY NEED LEGAL OPINIONS.
AND I'M NOT GONNA DRAG INTO THOSE DETAILS UNLESS YOU WANT TO.
AND IF YOU WANT TO, I WOULD ASK THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST.
UM, BUT, UH, THE WORK HAS BEGUN.
UH, WE'VE HIRED AN ATTORNEY TO DO THIS, UH, GARIN HORTON, WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON IT.
WHAT, CRAIG? ABOUT A, NOT FOR THREE MONTHS.
IT'S, IT'S A LONG TIME TO GET TO HERE.
BUT WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A TIME CRUNCH BECAUSE OF FEDERAL FUNDING, IF WE WANNA GET THESE DONE AND WE WANNA GET THESE DAMS DONE, UM, AND REPAIRED.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ADDING, AND AND I TOLD GARRIN, I ASKED GARRIN TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT HE KNOWS WE'LL NEVER GO OVER.
AND HE SAID THAT NUMBER WAS $25,000.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE THAT MUCH.
I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'RE GONNA GET HALFWAY THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL FIND OUT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO RE TO APPROVE.
AND I, AND CRAIG IS HERE, AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH ITEM THREE OF STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER FOUR OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN 2050, WHICH SAYS, DEVELOP ENHANCED STORM RUNOFF AND FLOOD CONTROL STRATEGIES, INCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING CONSERVATION LAKES.
I I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE WON'T TAKE US INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DOES THAT COME OUTTA CONTINGENCY? OR WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PULL THE MONEY? UM, NO, THAT ACTUALLY COMES OUTTA ROAD AND BRIDGE.
THE, THE, THE OTHER THING, UM, AND, AND EDUCATE ME A LITTLE BIT, IT SEEMS ODD THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRING ATTORNEYS TO TELL THEM WHETHER A A, A DAM IS SUFFICIENT.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE AN ENGINEER WOULD BE THE ONE TO, TO TELL THEM THAT.
UM, WELL, HERE'S HOW I WOULD EXPLAIN IT.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE ODD.
THESE EASEMENTS WERE BOTH PUT IN PLACE IN THE 1950S.
WELL, ACTUALLY THERE'S THREE DAMS, 16 AND 16 A, BUT THEY WERE ALL PUT IN PLACE IN THE 1950S.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO WATER FLOW SINCE THE 1950S DUE TO A LOT OF THINGS, CONSTRUCTION GROWTH, ET CETERA.
AND THE, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE ARE EASEMENTS.
UH, THE, THE QUESTION RELATES MORE TO THE, THE EXTENT OF THE EASEMENT, UH, WHERE IT GOES, WHAT LAND IT INCLUDES, ET CETERA.
AND THE THE FRUSTRATING THING, JUDGE, IS, AND IF I GET INTO SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IN PUBLIC, STOP ME.
THE FRUSTRATING THING IS THAT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF ONE OF THESE DAMS BREACHED, WE'VE GOT A HUGE PROBLEM, AND THEY WOULD GO REPAIR IT WITHOUT EVEN CALLING A LAWYER.
BUT BEFORE THEY WILL PROCEED DOWN THIS COURSE, THEY WANT A LEGAL OPINION.
AND I'VE BEEN GIVEN LEGAL OPINIONS FOR 45 YEARS, AND THEY'RE VERY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS SPECIAL THING THAT GETS LAWYERS
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REAL HUNG UP ABOUT TINY LITTLE ISSUES.AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TO HIRE A LAWYER TO DO IT.
THAT, THAT, THAT ALL ALL MAKES SENSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING WE DO JUST COSTS MORE MONEY.
AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT ACTUALLY TAKING THIS OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET, SOME OF THAT FUND.
WELL, WELL, WE HAVE MONEY OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE ARPA SOME WAY.
AND, AND, AND I'LL JUST SAY, HELP ME, CRAIG.
I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I, I, I, I NOW WILL BE CITING THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND, AND BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS PART OF THAT, BUT I WILL CITE THE, THE SPECIFICS ON THAT.
BUT YOU CAN GO AND, AND, AND, AND LET ME TELL YOU, THERE'S A SPECIFIC REASON I DID THAT.
AND I'M GONNA DO IT SEVERAL OTHER TIMES TODAY BECAUSE I HAD SOMEONE COME UP TO ME THE OTHER DAY, AND I'LL SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD, AND SAY, WELL, NOW THAT WE'VE FINISHED THE STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT.
AND EVERYTHING WE DO IS, UH, MOST OF WHAT WE DO IN HERE, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ARE TIED INTO THAT.
SO I JUST DECIDED, I'M GONNA START CITING WHAT IT IS.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THIS.
SO I'M JUST SAYING NEXT TIME WE TALK ABOUT THE SHERIFF, I I WILL, I WILL HAVE MINE QUOTED AS WELL.
I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD SOME, SOME OF THE GOOD NEWS, IT'S NOT ALL JUST DEADLOCK, RIGHT? WAITING ON LEGAL OPINIONS ON 16 AND 16, A, UH, WE, WE GOT, UH, UH, SCORED A REALLY BIG VICTORY WITH THAT WHEN WE LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF EASEMENT THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT BY THE ATTORNEYS, RIGHT.
WE HAVE NOW GOTTEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO AGREE THAT WE ONLY NEED EASEMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION APPARATUS.
AND IT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY.
SO IT'S, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY TWIDDLING OUR THUMBS AND JUST WAITING.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR ATTORNEY FEES FOR THE NRCS WALLACE LAKE RESERVOIR PROJECT IN THE NRCS DAM, 16 AND 16, A REPAIR PROJECTS BY $25,000 TO COME OUTTA ROAD AND BRIDGE.
GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[10. Discuss/Act on approving a Resolution made by the Rockwall County Commissioners Court for the disbursement of funds in order to repair, replace, or restore property damaged during normal daily operations of County departments without undue delay and with the intent to mitigate further damage, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A RESOLUTION MADE BY THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR THE DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS IN ORDER TO REPAIR, REPLACE, OR RESTORE PROPERTY DAMAGE DURING NORMAL DAILY OPERATIONS OF COUNTY DEPARTMENTS WITHOUT UNDUE DELAY, AND WITH THE INTENT TO MITIGATE FURTHER DAMAGE IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.AND, UH, ON THIS ONE, I FEEL LIKE I'M CHANNELING MY INNER COMMISSIONER, STACY, COMING UP WITH PROCEDURES.
SO THIS AROSE FROM A MINOR ACCIDENT ON EAGLE PASS ROAD.
IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, UH, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, WE DID SOME CONSTRUCTION WORK THERE, AND OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE GUYS WERE OUT THERE DOING SOME WORK, AND THEY DROVE OVER SOME IRRIGATION PIPES AND ENDED UP DOING SOME DAMAGE TO IT, UH, ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT 2,500.
IN FACT, YOU'LL CAN SEE, SEE THIS LATER IN ONE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITION DISPOSITION ITEM 19 B.
UM, BUT, UH, THE AUDITOR AND I GOT INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS WITHOUT HAVING TAKE THEM TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY MINOR, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
UH, SO I WORKED WITH THE AUDITOR TO CREATE A POLICY FOR THIS.
YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE NUMBERS IN THERE.
I THINK IT'S $5,000 FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, $10,000 IN ANY FISCAL YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SO THAT IF IT'S IN MY PRECINCT OR ANY ONE OF THE PRECINCTS, AND THERE'S SOME MINOR THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE CAN GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE COMMISSIONERS IN THAT PRECINCT TO, UM, GO OUT AND HAVE IT DONE WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THIS WAS A, THIS WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
THEY DRAFTED THIS RESOLUTION, DID A GREAT JOB OF IT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ITEM THREE OF STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN 2050, UH, WHICH SAYS, REVIEW AND REFINE THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF KEY POSITIONS.
AND I DO WANT TO ADD THOUGH THAT, UM, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT IN LIEU OF BRINGING ITEMS. SO WE, WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY IRRIGATION REPAIR THAT'S ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IF A DEPARTMENT IS CONTINUALLY, UH, HAVING $5,000, $5,000, THEN WE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO HAVE A, UH, A, A CONVERSATION ABOUT THERE'S AN ANNUAL $10,000 LIMIT TO THE RESOLUTION.
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I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO COME AT LEAST ON CONSENT AGENDA E EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO AUTHORIZE THEM, I WOULD STILL LIKE IT TO, TO COME BACK TO US.WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS, UH, IN THIS RESOLUTION.
UM, I DON'T MIND DOING THAT 'CAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID, UM, WITH THE, UH, I THINK, WELL, NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO YOUR CONCERN HAS BEEN SATISFIED.
I, UM, I, I JUST HAVE A FEW, FEW MINOR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, SOMETIMES IN THE PAST YEARS, UH, WE'VE HAD IT TO WHERE SOMETHING WAS DAMAGED AND WE HAD TO DO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO, IF THERE WAS POSSIBLE LITIGATION BACK? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT THINGS AUTHORIZED TO BE PAID AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY TURN AROUND AND SUE US, UH, WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COMP SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, DERY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WASN'T ABOUT USING IT FOR COMP SETTLEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST FOR WHERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DAMAGE SOMETHING AND WE DON'T, WE WANNA MITIGATE FURTHER DAMAGE AND, OR WE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED QUICKLY WITHOUT A LOT OF WAIT TIME.
YOU KNOW, JUST APPROVING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, EVEN LIKE WITH THE, UH, UH, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM BEING ABLE TO WATER FOR RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND I WAS, I WAS THE ONE THAT MADE IT INTO AN EMERGENCY.
AND THIS WOULDN'T STOP FROM DOING COPS, UH, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY THAT WE WERE IN THE HOT SUMMER MONTHS AND WE COULDN'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO WAIT SEVERAL WEEKS.
BUT, UM, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CONSIDER STIPULATING THIS TO MAYBE A ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE A SHERIFF'S VEHICLE, THEY PUT OUT ROAD STRIPS AND WE BLEW OUT TIRES ON SOMEONE'S CAR.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
JUST THE SPRINKLER WAS VERY MUNDANE.
THERE, THERE'S BEEN OTHER DAMAGES.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MAILBOX WAS DAMAGED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NO BRAINER.
OR HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THAT RECENTLY,
BUT, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UH, IS SOMETHING TO, TO THAT THE COUNTY AUDITOR AUTHOR ALSO AUTHORIZES BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU BRING THIS TO ME AND I DE DEEM IT NOT TO BE SUITABLE TO BE PAID, THERE'S NO ONE, UH, NOTHING THAT YOU ALL SAY CAN MAKE ME PAY IT WITHOUT ME BEING AWARE OF IT.
THAT YOU, YOU'VE AUTHORIZED IT BEFORE.
SO IF WE COULD JUST PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT AUDITOR AUTHORIZATION.
OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE, THE WHERE THE PARAGRAPH SAYS IT STARTS NOW, THEREFORE, UH, BE IT ORDER THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE, AND EACH PRECINCT COMMISSIONER SHALL BE AUTHORIZED TO PROVE UP TO 5,000 PER OCCURRENCE NOT TO EXCEED 10,000 PER YEAR, PER FISCAL YEAR.
RIGHT AFTER THAT, COMMA, WE'RE GONNA SAY SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY AUTHOR, AUDITOR.
AND, UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO FIX, ON THE FIRST LINE, THE TERM ROCKALL IS GOING TO BE, ALTHOUGH I LIKE THAT FOR A COUNTY NAME ROCK WALL, IT'S GOING TO BE ROCK WALL.
DOES THAT SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM THERE? UH, LISA, AS LONG AS YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU COULD HAVE DAMAGES FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND, AND THE THING ABOUT SETTLING CLAIMS, ALL THIS SAYS IS WE CAN GO REPAIR PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T SAY WE, FIRST OF ALL, IT DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TO AGREE TO IT, BUT IF WE MAKE THAT DECISION, WE CAN DO IT.
AND IF THEY WANNA SUE US OVER THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T FIX IT, RIGHT, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIX MINOR DAMAGE WE DO HERE.
AND THEN THE, THE TERM NORMAL DAILY OPERATIONS, UH, WOULD THAT BE A, A EMPLOYEE'S, UH, IF IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT, UH, ARE, ARE WE GONNA SAY THAT THAT'S STILL A NORMAL DAILY OCCURRENCE? IF, IF SOMEONE DAMAGED SOMETHING THAT THEY INTENTIONALLY DAMAGED SOMETHING? I MEAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GIVING YOURSELF ENOUGH CONTROLS IN THIS SO THAT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, HAVE FURTHER PROBLEMS? SO NOTHING, NONE, NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS ABOUT WE HAVE TO USE THIS TOOL.
IT'S JUST A TOOL THAT THEY CAN USE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN TRYING TO GET INTO CONTEMPLATING INTENTIONAL DAMAGE VERSUS REGULAR.
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AN EMPLOYEE INTENTIONALLY DID SOMETHING, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE THIS OPTION.IT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM TO USE WHERE APPROPRIATE.
DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT? I, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I'M JUST, I'M, I'M, THIS IS INTENDED TO STREAMLINE THE EASY ONES, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT.
TAKE FOR INSTANCE, THE SPRINKLERS.
TALKING, TALKING TO ROAD BRIDGE.
WE ALREADY TOLD 'EM WE'RE GONNA FIX IT.
RIGHT? WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA PAY THOSE, RIGHT? LET'S GET IT PAID NOW BEFORE THEIR GRASS DIES.
AND WE START TO, TO ADD TO THE DAMAGES.
THIS IS FOR JUST THE ONES THAT ARE SO OBVIOUS.
ANYTIME WE PRESENT IT TO A COMMISSIONER, IF THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE LEASE, WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL PUT IT ON EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS WE USUALLY HAVE.
AND TO, TO ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT COMP SETTLEMENTS, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO DO A COMP SETTLEMENT ON EVERY ONE OF THESE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON A WAIVER OF CLAIMS, LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST UNILATERALLY SIGNED MM-HMM
BY THE PERSON RECEIVING THE, THE, THE, THE DAMAGE CHECK OR THE DAMAGE REPAIR.
THANK YOU FOR FIXING THE DAMAGE.
SO, WELL, AND TO, TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, CRAIG, THIS IS FOR YOU FIXING THE EASY ONES.
WE COULD EASILY BE IN A SITUATION WHERE AN ACCIDENT HAPPENED, AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF NEED TO GET THINGS ON THE AGENDA AND FINDING OUT ABOUT IT, IT COULD BE A MONTH, BE WE, BEFORE WE GO AND FIX A SIMPLE PROBLEM LIKE SOMEBODY'S IRRIGATION OR KNOCKING DOWN THEIR MAILBOX.
AND, AND THAT'S JUST AS TO, TO QUOTE OUR JUDGE.
THAT'S NOT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND THIS JUST GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND I, I I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING UP WITH A, A, A POLICY OR PROCEDURE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, I MEAN, IS THIS, THE COUNTY WILL, WILL EXPEND FUNDS FOR THE REPAIR, OR THE COUNTY WILL PAY THE INDIVIDUAL A SET A A CHECK, UH, IF, IF, LET'S SAY THE BLOWOUT TIRE SITUATION, WHAT IF THEY SAY, I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT TO WHERE YOU WANT IT REPAIRED AT.
I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME THE MONEY.
I, I, I'M THINKING ALONG THE LINE OF HOW REAL WORLD THAT REALLY IS GONNA HAPPEN.
WELL, FRANKLY, I THINK IT WILL, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN AND THEY WERE TO CALL ME, CALL, LET'S SAY IT HAPPENED IN PRECINCT THREE, ALTHOUGH NOTHING GOES WRONG IN PRECINCT THREE, IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE.
UM, BUT IF IT DID, THEN WE WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD CALL ME AND THEY WOULD SAY, AND THEY WOULD SAY, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TO DISCOUNT TIRE AND I GOT IT FIXED, AND HERE'S MY RECEIPT FOR $298.
AND I'D LOOK AT IT, AND IF IT SEEMED VALID, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD REIMBURSE THEM FOR THAT BASED UPON THIS.
I, I JUST BECAUSE CUTTING A CHECK, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN IN.
I CAN'T WRITE A CHECK TO JUST AN INDIVIDUAL.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO HAVE INFORMATION FROM THEM.
SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT MY ATE PROCEDURES, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, AND I THINK YOU MADE A REALLY GREAT SUGGESTION BY SAYING SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF COUNTY AUDITORS.
SO WE DON'T GET, NOBODY WANTS TO GET OURSELVES IN TROUBLE.
I, I THINK, AND IF THEY DON'T BRING THE RIGHT STUFF, WE JUST SAY, HEY, YOU GOTTA GET ME THIS BEFORE THAT LADY IN AUDITING WILL PAY IT.
WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED.
DOES CAMMY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OH, I'M SORRY.
CAMMI, I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY, UM, SAY WHAT THE PROCESS IS CURRENTLY, AND WHAT I ENVISION IT TO BE MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR IN THAT IF SOMEONE, A CITIZEN HAS A CLAIM, UM, THEY ROAD AND BRIDGE, FOR INSTANCE, AS EX AN EX EXAMPLE, SHELLY DOES A VERY GOOD JOB AT WORKING WITH THE CITIZEN.
AND SHE HAS THEM FILL OUT A RISK MANAGEMENT CLAIM FORM, UM, WHERE THEY DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED.
THEY PROVIDE PICTURES AND THEY PROVIDE, THE CITIZEN WILL PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF THE COST TO REPAIR.
WHEN WE RECEIVE THE ESTIMATE, WE, I'LL USUALLY WORK WITH THE DA'S OFFICE AND THE APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER, AND WE DECIDE, OKAY, THAT, THAT ESTIMATE LOOKS REASONABLE, OR NO, THAT'S INFLATED.
WE WOULD EITHER LIKE TO REQUEST ANOTHER ESTIMATE OR SUGGEST THAT YOU GO OUT TO AN APPROVED VENDOR THAT WE SELECT.
UM, SO ONCE, UM, TYPICALLY WE BRING IT TO THE COURT WITH EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE.
AND IF THE COURT WERE TO APPROVE THE REPAIR, UM, THE CHECK IS CUT TO THE CITIZEN TO GO BACK TO THEIR VENDOR WHERE THEY RECEIVED THE QUOTE.
SO THE, THE PROCESS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME IN THAT I WOULD ASK FOR A RISK MANAGEMENT CLAIM FORM WITH THE PICTURES AND THE QUOTES.
AND THEN IN THIS INSTANCE, I WOULD WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONER OR THE JUDGE IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN IN A COUNTY FACILITY.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO FALL DOWN THE STAIRS, BREAK THEIR ARM OR SOMETHING TO LIKE THAT, UM, I WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH LEGAL.
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THE COURT AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE BEFORE ANYTHING WERE TO BE BLANKETLY APPROVED.WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET WITH THE CHANGES I MENTIONED, UM, FOR THE DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS IN ORDER TO REPAIR, REPLACE, OR RESTORE DAMAGE PROPERTY DURING NORMAL DAILY OPERATIONS OF COUNTY DEPARTMENTS.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
[11. Discuss/Act on approving a two-year renewal Interlocal Agreement with North Central Texas Emergency Communications District (NCT9-1-1) for Regional 9-1-1 service within the district, effective October 1, 2025, and all related issues; (Judge New)]
THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A TWO YEAR RENEWAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT N CT NINE ONE FOR REGIONAL 9 1 1 SERVICE WITHIN THE DISTRICT, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.THIS IS OUR STANDARD DISPATCH SERVICE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOU'VE EVER DUG DOWN INTO 9 1 1, BUT IT IS AN AMAZING, AMAZING COMPLEX SYSTEM THAT, THAT GOES TO THE REGION.
SO THE REGION CAN THEN INSTANTANEOUSLY PUT IT TO WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE CALLER, AND CAN THEN SWITCH FROM ENTITY TO ENTITY TO ENTITY WHILE COMMUNICATING WITH THE VARIOUS ENTITIES.
AND IT IS A, UM, IT, AGAIN, INCREDIBLY COMPLEX, BUT IT, BUT IT WORKS AND IT FUNCTIONS AND IT'S OUR 9 1 1.
WHO ADMINISTERS THIS? IS THAT THE JARED'S OFFICE THAT DOES THAT? WHO ADMINISTERS WHO ADMINISTERS THIS CONTRACT? 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY A DETAILED CONTRACT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
IT MIGHT BE THE, MIGHT BE THE SHERIFF, THE GIS GUYS THAT ADMINISTER IT.
UM, THE DETAILS YOU SEE IN THERE, THE TECHNICAL DETAILS ARE THE, UM, THE, UH, THE DETAILS THAT I DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
THE, UM, THE VERY, UM, VARIOUS THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, HERE'S WHERE THIS IS AND HERE'S WHERE THAT IS, UH, NOT JUST IN A GEOSPATIAL, BUT THE, THE UNDERLYING DATA THAT ACTUALLY RUNS THE 9 1 1 SYSTEMS IN OUR DISPATCHES, UH, COMES FROM THIS.
AND IT'S BASICALLY INFORMATION THAT I ENTER AND THEY HAVE A QUALITY CONTROL MECHANISM INSIDE NCT 9 1 1.
SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTRACT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTING IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THAT IS MY PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OPERATING INITIATIVES THREE AND FIVE OF STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER THREE OF A STRATEGIC PLAN 2050.
MAN, WE ARE ROLLING RIGHT THROUGH THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.
I, I WAS, I, I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I WAS KIND OF BUGGED WHEN THIS PERSON SAID YOU GUYS HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, A LOT OF IT IS BEHIND THE SCENES.
SO KUDOS FOR BRINGING IT BRING TO THE FOREFRONT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TWO YEAR RENEWAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT NCT 9 1 1 FOR REGIONAL 9 1 1 SERVICE WITHIN THE DISTRICT, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.
I WAS HOPING TO ADD TO YOUR MOTION, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM COG, UH, N CT 9 1 1 ONLINE, THE UPDATED AGREEMENT READY FOR YOUR SIGNATURE ONLINE.
CAN WE ALSO AUTHORIZE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND, AND AS PART OF YOUR MOTION, AUTHORIZE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN OFF SIGN? I, I, I DID, I DID SEE THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ALSO INCLUDE ME HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, SIGN ONLINE AND I'LL AMEND MY SECOND.
SO HAVE MY MOTION HAVE AN AMENDED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[12. Discuss/Act on approving an agreement with Kofile Preservation Inc., to perform preservation services of District Clerk records, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 12, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN AGREEMENT WITH COFI PRESERVATION INC.TO PERFORM PRESERVATION SERVICES OF DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
LISA, DO YOU WANNA BRIEFLY? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, OUR DISTRICT CLERK WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY BECAUSE SHE HAD, UH, SEVERAL JURY POOLS BEING BROUGHT IN.
SO I AM GOING TO HELP REPRESENT THIS TO YOU.
UH, COFI IS A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE USED ON MANY OCCASIONS, UH, FOR, UH, PRES PRESERVING THE
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RECORDS OF THE COUNTY.THESE ARE HISTORICAL DOCUMENT, I SHOULDN'T SAY HISTORICAL.
IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FROM A MUSEUM.
THESE ARE CIVIL FEE BOOKS OF THE DISTRICT CLERKS.
UH, IT'S A PROJECT THAT SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON, UH, FOR SOME TIME.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS $153,627 AND 32 CENTS.
IT IS FROM TEX MISS PRICES, WHICH IS A PURCHASING CO-OP.
SO THERE WAS NO NEED TO BID THE SERVICE OUT.
UH, AND, UH, WE WILL BE UTILIZING THREE DIFFERENT SPECIAL FUNDS.
UH, THE COURT RECORD PRESERVATION, THERE'S 52,000 BUDGETED IN IT THAT, UH, IS RECOMMENDED TO USE.
UH, THE DISTRICT COURT RECORDS TECHNOLOGY FUND, WHICH HAS $38,000 REMAINING IN IT, WHICH WE'LL UTILIZE.
AND THEN THOSE FUNDS CAN BE, UM, CLOSED OUT.
UH, AND THEN THE FI, THE FINAL AMOUNT WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.
UH, THERE IS, UH, $230,000 BUDGETED IN THAT FUND.
SO WE'LL TAKE THE REMAINDER OUT OF THAT.
SO THIS WILL BE COMPLETELY UTILIZE UTILIZING THESE, UH, RECORDS AND ARCHIVE FUNDS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED DURING BUDGET MEETINGS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE YOUR AGREEMENT WITH CO ILE PRESERVATION INCORPORATED TO PERFORM PRESERVATION SERVICES OF THE DISTRICT CLERK RECORDS.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
[13. Discuss/Act on renewing or rebidding for exterminator services, and all related issues; (Judge New -Auditor)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSS AN ACT ON RENEWING OR REBIDDING FOR EXTERMINATOR SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO, UH, OUR PURCHASING, UH, AUDITOR
THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE, UH, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR, UM, ON RENEWING OR REBIDDING FOR EXTERMINATOR SERVICES.
WE DID A INFORMAL BID BACK IN 2017, UM, AND AWARDED IT IN FISCAL YEAR 2018.
THEY, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO, UH, RENEW WITH THE, UH, CURRENT COMPANY THAT WE HAVE.
THEY HAVE, UM, STAYED WITH THE SAME PRICES.
THEY HAVE NOT INCREASED THEIR PRICES AT ALL.
UM, I'VE GOT A LETTER BEHIND IN THE BACKUP THAT'S THAT, UM, WE HAVE SENT IN THE PAST TO, UH, ASK THEM IF THEY'LL CONTINUE TO EXTEND THE OFFER AT THE SAME PRICES FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
WE PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO ADD THE ANNEX BUILDING TO SOME OF THESE OFFERS, IF, IF, IF THE COURT AGREES TO GO FORWARD WITH THESE.
UH, BUT OTHERWISE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CONTINUED, EACH ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY HAS CONTINUED THEIR SAME PRICES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
SO EXTERMINATOR SERVICES, I THINK I I STATED WRONG.
EXTERMINATOR SERVICES, WE ACTUALLY, UH, WENT OUT IN 2023 AND AWARDED IT IN 2024 AND HAVE, UM, CONTINUED WITH THE SAME VENDOR, WHICH IS, UM, ENVIROTECH PROPERTY SERVICES.
SO ARE THEY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON EXTERMINATOR SERVICES? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET THE ANNEX ADDED BEFORE WE APPROVE TO SIGN THE LETTER TO GET THEM TO, TO COME OUT? OR IS IT BETTER TO SIGN THE LETTER THEN ASK THEM TO ADD THE ANNEX? I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
I WAS THINKING IF THAT'S WHAT, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO GO FORWARD IN THIS DIRECTION, THEN WE'LL GET THE QUOTE.
I'VE ALREADY ASKED BARRY TO GET QUOTES ON SOME OF THESE.
WE WOULD ADD THAT TO THE LETTERS AND THEN PRESENT THOSE FOR APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I, I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT, BUT I WOULD JUST BE GUESSING WHAT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, I GUESS IT WAS A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, AND IT WAS, IT WAS IN REGARDS TO ITS WHO JUST PRESENTED IS THAT WE, WE SAID THAT WE KIND OF WANTED TO COME UP
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WITH A NEW PROCESS THAT THERE PERHAPS EVERY THREE TO FOUR YEARS THAT WE BID THINGS OUT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE WERE TRYING TO AT LEAST SEE IF THERE WERE OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE.AND I KNOW THAT WE JUST DID THAT.
SO I, YOU SAID YOU, YOU, YOU DID THIS ONE IN 2017 OR 2022.
SEE THE EXTERMINATED, WE VOTED THIS ON AUGUST 22ND, 2023.
SO YOU SAY WE, WE, WE BEST, WE DID THOSE AWARD IN 2024 AND WE HAVE BEEN WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
SO WE SWITCH THIS, THIS COMPANY WAS THE SWITCH.
SO, SO THAT'S, I GUESS I'M JUST GOING BACK TO POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, IS KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING.
SO I WOULD SAY, LET'S, LET'S GET A, A QUOTE, HAVE BARRY GET A QUOTE FROM THEM FOR THE ANNEX AND THEN BRING THE EXTERMINATOR BACK.
AND, AND AS FAR AS COMMENTARY, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION PAYING THE SAME PRICE FOR EXTERMINATING SERVICE EXTERMINATION SERVICES ON ALL OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS FOR ONE YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF ANYONE ELSE IS, BUT I, I DO AGREE THAT AT SOME POINT, EVEN WITH THE PRICE BEING THE SAME, IT'S GOOD TO REBID AND, YOU KNOW, AND THESE FOLKS ARE, ARE RELATIVELY NEW.
I THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS WE GO OUT FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER REBID, BUT THAT'S JUST MY, MY 2 CENTS.
[14. Discuss/Act on renewing the current agreement or rebidding for grounds landscaping services, and all related issues; (Judge New-Auditor)]
RIGHT.WITH THAT, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 14.
DISCUSS AN ACT ON RENEWING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT OR REBIDDING FOR GROUNDS LANDSCAPING SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS KIND OF THE SAME ISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ANNEX IN ANY OF THAT.
AND, AND, AND THIS ONE COULD BE A A COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO, THE AG OFFICE IS GOING TO DO SOME SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING, SO IT MAY REQUIRE MORE THAN, THAN YOUR, YOUR AVERAGE SAVING COST.
AND SHERRY, WE DID GO OUT TO BID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON THIS.
WE JUST AWARDED IT TO THE SAME VENDOR.
SO I JUST WANT THE COURT TO KNOW WE, IT WAS AT THE SAME TIME MM-HMM
WE DID ALL THREE OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME AND WE JUST, AND WE AWARDED THIS BACK TO A A GS.
SO THIS ONE, I, I THINK THE SAME THING.
IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE TRICKY BECAUSE IF YOU GO BY THERE AND LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S 98% DONE, MAN.
WELL, IT IS, BUT ALL THE PLANNINGS AREN'T, AREN'T IN.
AND UM, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MAYBE THEM LOOKING AT PLANS AND SEEING, HEY, WHAT WE FACING THEIR WEIGHT OFF THAT.
AND MAYBE, UH, MAYBE GET TODD WILLIAMS TO HELP US WITH THAT.
'CAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING THAT THE PLANTS LOOK GREAT AND THERE'S PARTS IN THIS BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE DEAD AND THEY, AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE A CHALLENGE.
AND IT, IT IS JUST MAYBE THE TYPES OF PLANTS THAT THEY PUT IN THERE.
AND I'D HATE TO SEE US HAVE A BRAND NEW BUILDING WHERE SOME OF THE PLANTS ARE NOT DOING WELL.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A, IT'S THE VENDOR.
I'M THINKING SOMETIMES IT'S WHERE THEY PLACE 'EM AND HOW THE SUN SHINES ON 'EM OR DOESN'T SHINE ON 'EM, AND THE TYPES OF PLANTS THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE.
SO, WELL, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, SO AG IS GOING TO PLANT, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME LANDSCAPING UNDER CONTRACT AND THEN WE HAVE OUR AG AGENT WHO'S GOING TO VIA THE MASTER GARDENER'S PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO I WOULD ENVISION A GS ONLY MAINTAINING WEED, EATING, TRIMMING, UM, UM, SO, BUT LET'S, LET'S DO THAT ONE AS WELL.
[15. Discuss/Act on renewing the current agreement or rebidding for vending machine services, and all related issues; (Judge New -Auditor)]
AGENDA ITEM 15, DISCUSS AN ACT ON RENEWING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT OR REBIDDING FOR VENDING MACHINE SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.UM, THE ONLY THING I WANNA ASK THE COURT IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE VENDING MACHINES.
UM, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE TWO LOGICAL PLACES.
IT JUST WASN'T REALLY LIKE IN, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL I WAS PREPARING THIS AGENDA.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BIG BREAK ROOM.
UM, THAT WE CAN EASILY PUT IT IN THE BREAK ROOM.
THERE'S ALSO A SECURE EMPLOYEE AREA THAT WE COULD PUT IT IN THAT HALLWAY WHERE ONLY THE EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE COURT HAS AN OPINION.
BUT, UM, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO AT LEAST HAVE A LOCATION.
AND, AND I WANT, I'LL GET YOU AND THE KIND OF THE TEAM TOGETHER AND LET'S FIND A PLACE TO PUT IT.
OKAY? SO WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THIS, WITH THE ANNEX ADDED, WE CAN SAY, AND WE WANNA PUT IT HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THERE.
SO THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT.
IT SAYS IT GONNA BE ON THE SAME TERMS. WHAT ARE THE TERMS? SO THE CURRENT TERMS FOR THE VENDING MACHINE, IT CAN BE RE RENEWED UPON UPON EXPIRATION OF THE INITIAL TERM BY WRITTEN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWELL COUNTY AND VENDOR, AND ANY RENEWAL SHALL EXTEND THE EXISTING PRICING RATES WITHOUT MODIFICATIONS.
WHAT, WHAT DO THEY PAY? WHAT DO THEY PAY US FOR THIS? WE ASSUME WE, THEY GIVE US MONEY TO PUT UP MACHINES IN THERE.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S UNDER $10,000 THAT WE EARN ANNUALLY
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FROM THIS, BUT THEY PAY US SOMETHING, RIGHT? CORRECT.OKAY, SO THAT ONE, WE GOT A LITTLE WORK GONNA COME BACK WITH THE LOCATION, UH, AND THAT, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
IT NEVER, NEVER OCCURRED TO ME AND WE WOULD END UP WITH IT IN THE FRONT LOBBY IF WE LET THE, LET THE VENDING PEOPLE PLACE IT.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE WORK TO DO.
[16. Discuss/Act on advertising by Public Notice for Bids on Road Construction Materials for the Road and Bridge Department pursuant to Local Government Code Section 262.023, and all related issues; (Judge New-Auditor)]
US TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADVERTISING BY PUBLIC NOTICE FOR BIDS ON ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 6 2 0.023 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING WE PUT OUT FOR BID REQUIRED BY STATUTE EVERY YEAR FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'LL HAVE BIDS PREPARED FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET.
UM, AND IT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH THAT SIMPLE.
I'D MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY TO ADVERTISE BY PUBLIC NOTICE FOR BIDS ON ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 6 2 0.023.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI SECOND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[17. Discussion of comparable counties for purposes of doing employee compensation comparisons, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSSION OF COMPARABLE COUNTIES FOR PURPOSES OF DOING EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION COMPARISONS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, SO, SO THIS CAME OUT OF THE, THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT, WANTED TO GIVE THE COURT TIME.
UM, WE, WE ARE PLANNING ON JULY 8TH TO DOING A WORKSHOP.
AND SO, UM, I ONLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE HR DEPARTMENT TO GET INPUT, UM, FROM THE COURT ON WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, I STATE ALL OF THAT TO SAY THAT I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
I THINK THAT EVERY, ALL OF THE COUNTIES THAT ARE BEING USED AND, AND, AND ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IS SUFFICIENT FOR ME, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE ISN'T, UM, OTHER COUNTIES, OTHER LISTS OR OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT CAMMIE CAN, CAN GET TO WORK AND, AND HAVE PREPARED WHAT WE NEED PREPARED ON JULY 8TH.
UM, SO AFTER TALKING WITH, UM, YOU COMMISSIONER STACY YESTERDAY, I WENT AHEAD AND, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS MEETING AND KAMI, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COPY.
I LOOKED AT THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES, AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE A MEMBER OF THAT, AND THAT CONSISTS OF 37 COUNTIES.
THEY'RE THE MOST POPULOUS COUNTIES OF, OF TEXAS, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM, LIKE ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT BUTT UP TO LARGE URBAN COUNTIES.
SO FOR THAT PURPOSES, I, UM, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A COPY OF THOSE ONE, TAKE ONE FOR EACH OF YOU.
AND CAMMY, HERE'S A COPY FOR YOU HERE.
UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, OF THIS, AND UM, JENNIFER, I GAVE YOU A COPY ALSO.
UM, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, I DID NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE LARGE COUNTIES OTHER THAN COLLIN BECAUSE WE DO, WE DO BUTT UP TO COLLIN.
AND I DIDN'T REALLY TAKE INTO EFFECT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE DEMO, THE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR YOU GUYS LAST NIGHT, UM, OF KIND OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE LOSING EMPLOYEES NOW, KAMI MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS, THAT WE'RE LOSING EMPLOYEES TO EITHER ANY OF THE LARGE METROPOLITAN, LIKE A DALLAS OR UM, COUNTY.
UM, WE MAY BE, UH, KAUFMAN, UH, KAUFMAN IS ON HERE, BUT HUNT COUNTY IS NOT ON HERE.
SO WE MAY BE LOSING SOME TO THAT.
BUT, UM, MAINLY I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE WHAT THEIR ESTIMATED POPULATION IS, UM, WHAT THEIR, THEIR GROWTH HAS BEEN.
UM, UM, BASED ON THE, THE, UM, THE POPULATION TIME PERIOD.
AND MOST OF IT IS ALL FROM 20 20, 20 21, 20 22.
THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEAL SO THAT WE CAN GIVE, MAYBE DURING THIS JULY 8TH WORKSHOP, THERE CAN BE SOME DIRECTION.
UH, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TIME TO READ IT AND DIGEST IT AND SEE IF WE PICK OUT, UM, SOME NUMBER, YOU KNOW, OF MAYBE SIX TO 10, UM, THAT WE THINK THAT ARE GOOD BECAUSE THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS.
OKAY? SO THAT WE MAY NOT WANNA JUST ONLY FOCUS IN THE, IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA.
WE MAY SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME DOWN IN, UM, SOME POPULOUS AREAS, MAYBE IN THE HOUSTON AREA OR IN THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE HU THE AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO AREA OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY A NUMBER OF ONES I WOULD SAY THAT ARE IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH METROPLEX AREA THAT THAT COULD BE OF SOME, SOME, SOME BENEFIT FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT COUNTY.
AND WHICH ONE OF THESE WOULD YOU SAY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN, INCLUDING IN YOUR OPINION? UM,
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WELL, I, I, I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK ELLIS COUNTY WOULD BE ONE THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT WITH THE, UM, THE JUDGE IN ELLIS COUNTY AS, UM, THAT'S ONE, UM, KAUFMAN COUNTY.EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF GROWTH, THEY'RE, I, I THINK THAT MAYBE FROM A STANDPOINT OF SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE QUITE AS, UM, AGGRESSIVE, UM, IS WHAT I, WHAT WHAT WE'VE, WHAT I'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THESE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH LISTENING TO SOME OF OUR, OUR DIRECTORS AND OUR, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO I, EXCEPT THAT OUR ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT SAID WE'RE LIKE KAUFMAN.
WELL, I, HE SAID COMPARE US TO KAMAN.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN, BUT I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO A COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT AT KAUFMAN.
UM, IN THE HOUSTON AREA, DEFINITELY MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND, UM, FORT BEND COUNTY, UM, I, I, I SIT WITH ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ON CUC IS FROM FORT BEND COUNTY.
SO, BUT FORT BEND COUNTY IS REALLY LARGE TOO, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF HELP HELPS.
GRAYSON COUNTY IS MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SIZE OF THEIR COUNTY IS ABOUT WITH US, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE STILL VERY RURAL AND, BUT THEY, THEY DO PARTICIPATE PRETTY HEAVILY IN THE CUC WITH US.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME, SOME IDEAS.
I I, I, I DIDN'T REALLY, WHEN I WAS DOING THIS LAST NIGHT, I WASN'T PUTTING ALL OF THAT IN THIS THOUGHT.
I, I WOULD PREFER TO SAY, LET ME, LET ME KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, IF YOU THINK OF, UM, IF YOU THINK OF OUT IN THE, IN THE WEST TEXAS AREA, I DID GO AHEAD AND PUT POTTER IN, UM, WHERE AMARILLO IS POTTER IN, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? I FORGET.
I KIND OF COMBINED THEM BECAUSE POTTER AND RANDALL COUNTY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER, BUT THEY ARE STILL KIND OF, UH, OUT THERE AND THEY'RE THE LAST PAGE OUT THERE.
WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS ONE, AS YOU KNOW, I USED IT VERY CLOSELY.
UM, I LOOKED AT IT ALL THE TIME WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THAT, THEY WRITE UP, THEY BUTT UP RIGHT TO AUSTIN.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA USE THAT ALL THE TIME, BUT CAMMY AND I HAVE LOOKED AT WILLIAMSON COUNTY A WHOLE LOT.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS.
I DID NOT LOOK AT ANY SALARIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST MAINLY, UM, WE DO TALK A LOT OF POLICY AND PROCEDURES IN CUC WITH THAT.
SO WANTED TO GIVE THIS TO YOU FOR SOME, SOME INFORMATION.
UM, IT, IT OUR, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT PAY AND, YOU KNOW, COMPARE COMPARABLES, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY IN ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS DECIDE TO MOVE TO SOUTH TEXAS OR WEST TEXAS OR I JUST, THEY'RE GONNA GO WHERE THEY CAN DRIVE PEOPLE.
I MEAN THAT THIS, THIS, TO ME, THIS IS IF, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE IN MY TIME AS AN EXECUTIVE, AND WE DIDN'T COMPARE TO PLACES THAT WEREN'T LIKELY TO TAKE OUR EMPLOYEES AWAY FROM US.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MARKET.
WHAT MARKET ARE WE COMPETING AGAINST? WE, WE, WE ARE COMPETING WITH THE DRIVABLE AREA OF DFW.
THAT'S OUR COMPETI IN MY OPINION.
IT ALSO ENCAPSULATES THE COST OF LIVING IN OUR AREA VERY WELL, RATHER THAN GOING TO SOME, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE OBJECTION WITH TOM GREEN COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO WHERE I WAS BORN.
I KNOW IT IS, BUT IT IS NOT COMPARABLE TO WHERE WE LIVE, NOT EVEN REMOTELY AND NOT, NOT REMOTELY COMPARABLE TO HERE.
SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST, IN MY OPINION, WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN THE METROPLEX.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT BRINGS IN SOME LARGE COUNTIES, BUT THIS IS, THAT'S OUR COMPETITIVE SET.
THAT'S SO, SO, SO I DON'T WANNA, I I WANNA REPHRASE WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU CORRECT ME.
SO IF WE'RE, AND, AND THIS IS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY, WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, I'M ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, SO I, SO THIS, THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A LOADED QUESTION.
SO IF I WERE TO TAKE OUR PAY PLAN AND I WERE TO PUT OTHER COUNTIES RIGHT NEXT TO IT, A AS FAR AS THE FULL RANGES OF, OF WHAT OUR RANGES LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEIR RANGES LOOK LIKE, AND I INCLUDED KAUFMAN HUNT, COLLIN, DALLAS, HOW LACKING IS THAT IN YOUR ESTIMATION OF WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE.
NOW, THE ONLY THING IS, IS WE, AND THIS IS REALLY DIVING IN THE WEEDS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT OUR CLERK ONE DOES VERSUS THE CLERK ONE IN DALLAS.
I COMPLETELY AGREE, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU NOW, THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
HERE THEY ARE, AND THERE THEY ARE.
THE, THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT KIND OF STRAIGHT COMPARISON, WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO AS AN EXECUTIVE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO WORK FOR ANOTHER COMPANY OR ANOTHER COUNTY OR CITY, YOUR JOB DUTIES DON'T LINE UP IN THE SAME POSITION WITH THE REQUIREMENTS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.
SO YOU, YOU GOTTA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOMEHOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT IS.
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DO THAT WITHOUT REALLY GETTING IN THE WEEDS, BUT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.I I THINK WE HAVE TO GET IN THE WEEDS.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET A TRUE APPLES TO APPLES, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND PAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT, WHAT THE TITLE IS.
UM, UH, OH, THAT GOT HR COMING THIS WAY.
UM, I PROVIDED A BRIEF JOB DESCRIPTION AND ASKED THAT THE RESPONDING COUNTY OR CITY MATCH THEIR JOB TO US AND PROVIDE THAT SALARY.
AND SPECIFICALLY, I REMEMBER DALLAS AND COLIN FILLING MY SPREADSHEET OUT ACCORDING TO WHAT OUR JOB DESCRIPTION SAYS, RATHER THAN ME GOING TO THEIR PAY PLAN AND TRYING TO GUESS.
UM, SO I'M HOPING I'M RELYING ON THEM ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT I PROVIDED AS FAR AS A JOB DESCRIPTION.
UM, AND I'M NOT DONE WITH THE SPREADSHEET.
I'VE JUST KIND OF, CAMMY AND I HAVE JUST TALKED BACK AND FORTH.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT WILL GIVE US A FACTUAL BASIS TO SEE HUGE DEFICIENCIES TO SAY, OKAY, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ISSUES HERE.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE THAT AREN'T EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN, THAT ARE BASED UPON WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY COMPETING WITH? WHAT DOES THE MARKET LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE OUR FOLKS GETTING PAID? AND IF WE SEE THOSE, THAT'S WHEN WE TAKE THE DEEP DIVE.
WHY ARE WE, WE HEARD BY THE TIME TOMORROW'S OVER WITH, WE'LL HAVE HEARD FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.
AND SO IF WE SEE THE FACTS NOT LINING UP WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD, IT'S OUR JOB TO DIVE IN AND GO, WELL, YOU SAID THIS, BUT THE DATA'S SAYING THIS.
WHAT AM I MISSING? I I DON'T WANT THE DATA TO MISLEAD US, BUT I THINK THAT WILL GIVE US A REALLY GOOD BASELINE TO SAY, ARE WE OUTTA WHACK? ARE WE IN LINE? WHAT ARE WE, 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT OUR ACTUAL MARKET IS.
AND I'M THAT, I'M THINKING ALONG WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, COMMISSIONER GOANA.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALREADY STARTING TO WORK ON.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT ALSO, IT'S NOT ONLY THE, THE CLERKS OR IN THAT POSITION.
I MEAN, WE HAD, WE HAD THE DA HERE YESTERDAY AND TALKING ABOUT THE WORKLOAD OF THE, OF THE ASSISTANT DAS AND THE LEGAL AND THE LEGAL SIDE.
WE, WE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT DOES THEIR CASELOADS LOOK LIKE IN THOSE, IN THOSE OTHER, IN THE, THERE'S, I MEAN, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR $60,000.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO YEAH, BUT THAT'S THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
DEDICATE THAT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S AN EASIER ONE FOR THEM TO DRIVE TO KAUFFMAN COUNTY OR DALLAS COUNTY AND SO FORTH.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING PROSECUTORS TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OF COURSE.
UM, SO ALL RIGHT, WELL I THINK THAT'LL GIVE US ENOUGH TO, TO HAVE OUR CONVERSATION WHENEVER OUR FAVORITE WORKSHOP COMES UP.
[18. CONSENT AGENDA]
SO THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, CONSENT AGENDA.UH, JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE.
[19. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]
ZERO.THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 19, PROPERTY ACQUISITION DISPOSITIONS.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPRO APPROVE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS A THROUGH C.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K SECOND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[20. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]
AND THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 20, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS.WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE FOLLOWING, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE NON-EMERGENCY BUS BUDGET TRANSFER.
2025 DASH 14 GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE.
[21. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 21, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLL.I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $113,431 AND 63 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOLAN.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER.
YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
I'M ALSO SUBMITTED TO YOU THE UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,807,936 AND 15 CENTS.
AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
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IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING JUNE THE SEVENTH, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,128,886 AND 82 CENTS.
AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE, YOUR HONOR.
I'M FEELING GOOD ABOUT MYSELF.
[22. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
SO THANK YOU.THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 22, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED IN THIS AGENDA.
ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETING, SUB CHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY.
WE WILL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT INFORMATION.
ONE, DISCUSS POTENTIAL SETTLEMENT RELATED TO THE DAMAGE PROPERTY OF DONALD FRANKS.
TWO, DR. HORTON V ROCKWELL COUNTY.
THREE, DISCUSS EMPLOYMENT CHARGE OF DISCRIMINATION FOR FORMER EMPLOYEE 2 1 6 5.
AND FOR REAL ESTATE MATTERS, DISCUSS REQUESTS FROM CITY OF ROCKWALL REGARDING SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED AND FOR THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL TO DISCUSS 2025 DASH 2026, BUDGET COUNTY EMPLOYEE STAFFING.
AND AT 1215 WE'RE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
[23. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]
LET'S SEE.WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU, NO ACTION TAKEN.
UH, JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SETTLEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,300 RELATED TO THE DAMAGED PROPERTY OF DONALD FRANKS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE? YOUR MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
I WOULD LIKE TO MO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION, WHEREAS ROCKWALL COUNTY TRUSTEE HAS BECOME THE PARTIAL OWNER OF CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY, AS LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT A SUFFICIENT BID WAS NOT RECEIVED AT A SALE CONDUCTED BY THE SHERIFF PURSUANT TO AN ORDER OF THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW.
AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF ROCKWALL HAS DESIRED TO, IN DESIRED TO INDEPENDENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY FOR IMPROVEMENT, ENJOYMENT AND USE BY THE CITY.
AND WHEREAS ALL TAXING ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THE ABOVE-REFERENCED CAUSE MUST CONSENT TO A RELEASE OF THEIR PARTIAL OWNERSHIP AND ANY DELINQUENT TAXES OWED OF THE HERE AND DESCRIBED REAL PROPERTY NOW THERE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS, THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE BEAN IS HEREBY DIRECTED AND AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE A DEED IN ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO CONVEY TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.
THE FOLLOWING DESCRIBED REAL PROPERTY, UH, BEING 100 FEET BY 200 FEET BEING PART OF BLOCK 17 FARMERS AND MERCHANTS NATIONAL BANK EDITION BEING MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN VOLUME 25, PAGE 94, DEED RECORDS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS A PARRAN ACCOUNT NUMBER 1 6 5 6 7, UM, AND BEING THE SUBJECT OF THAT CERTAIN CAUSE.
NUMBER THREE DASH 91 DASH 41, ROCKWALL COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, ROCKWALL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IN CITY OF ROCKWALL AND ROCKWALL COUNTY VERSUS MS. CORDY, MRS. CORDY, MIDDLETON, ET AL.
FOR IN CONSIDERATION OF THE IN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT.
I'LL JUST STOP IT RIGHT THERE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION BY COMMISSIONER TI.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[24. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 24 COMMISSIONER'S COURT REPORTS.IT'S AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO TO, TO, UH, SERVE WITH YOU GUYS AND I JUST WANNA THANK Y'ALL FOR A WONDERFUL DAY, UM, OF EXCITEMENT AND, UH, AND DIALOGUE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY APPRECI SIX THREE.
I WANNA LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO COMPLETE THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR, UH, SS FOUR A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL.
UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR
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$420,000 OF FEDERAL GRANT, WHICH WOULD MEAN, UH, MATCHING BY THE COUNTY OF 120,000 IF WE'RE AWARDED THE WHOLE AMOUNT.WE'VE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM CITIES OF ROCKWALL HEATH MCLENNAN, CHISHOLM FATE, AND ROYCE CITY, AND FROM OUR CONGRESSMAN PAT FALLON.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OPERATING INITIATIVE NUMBER FOUR OF THE STRATEGIC GOAL, GOAL NUMBER FOUR OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN 2050, WHICH READS IN COLLABORATION WITH AGENCIES AND THE COUNTIES, CITIES IDENTIFY MODERN PRACTICES AND TECHNOLOGIES TO MONITOR, PREDICT AND MANAGE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE.
UH, I HAD THE HONOR THIS WEEKEND TO MC, AN EVENT FOR AMBASSADORS FOR ISRAEL, UH, HERE IN ROCKWALL.
UH, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT TALKING ABOUT HOW TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM IN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT.
AND I WILL END BY SAYING BUDGET MEETINGS.
UM, BUDGET WORKSHOP RESUMES TOMORROW.
SO WE'LL BE BACK 9:00 AM TOMORROW.