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ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          IT IS JUNE 25TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM I'M GONNA CALL THE BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING TO ORDER. 
          WE ARE AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. 
          I'M GONNA ROLL INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. 
          IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, THEY CAN DO SO. 
          NOW SEEING NO ONE WILL GO INTO AGENDA. 
          ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION 
          [2. Commissioners Court Workshop Meeting]
OF FY 2026, BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          MS. ERICA BRIDGES IS WITH US TODAY. 
          WELCOME, WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          OKAY, SO WE ARE GOING OVER, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, OH, GOSH, UH, RESHUFFLING AND, AND CREATING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND HAVING GIS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. 
          AND WHO AM I MISSING? ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          ROAD AND BRIDGE, YES. 
          COME UP UNDER OUR COUNTY ENGINEER. 
          SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE THESE ALL AT ONCE? HOW, HOW, HOW ARE YOU CAN, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? CAN I JUST JUMP IN REAL FAST? YOU, YOU CERTAINLY, DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES IS NOT WHAT IT IS. 
          THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, I HAVE CALLED IT BOTH THINGS FOR LIKE TWO YEARS. 
          IT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE ANNEX BUILDING, THERE'S ALREADY A SIGN THAT SAYS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          OKAY. 
           WORDS HAVE MEANING. 
          YES, THEY DO. 
          SO I JUST, I, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENTAL, IT'S JUST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          BUT THIS SHEET OF PAPER SAYS DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, AND THIS ONE SAYS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE 'CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF MAKING IT UP AS WE GO. 
          BUT I JUST WANT THAT OUT THERE AS WE START THIS PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AS YOU'LL SEE FROM, UM, FROM WHAT I GAVE Y'ALL, I HAVE NOT GONE AHEAD AND ADDED EVERYTHING FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS INTO ONE, UM, ONE SHEET YET, JUST BECAUSE Y'ALL HAD IT ALREADY BROKEN OUT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BUDGETS WERE ALREADY TURNED IN BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO, UM, I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ANYTHING CONFUSING BY COMBINING LINE ITEMS YET. 
          I, I ASSUME THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND COMBINE THINGS AFTER THIS. 
          UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          I DIDN'T WANNA CONFUSE ANYTHING. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, ANY OFFICE SUPPLIES, MILEAGE OR, UM, GAS UNIFORMS, ANY OF THAT STUFF, IT'S, IT'S STRICTLY JUST FOR MY POSITION, , UM, NOT, NOT ASSUMING ANY OTHER EMPLOYEES YET. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I WANNA ASK THE AUDITOR MAYBE FOR THE, UM, AND JUDGE, WHEN WE DO THE FIRST, WHEN YOU DO THE FIRST DRAFT, COULD WE MAYBE THEN AT THAT POINT GO AHEAD AND PUT ALL OF THE, THE, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THAT? COULD WE DO THAT AT THAT TIME? YEAH. 
          LE LISA AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THE FIRST DRAFT WILL HAVE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GOOD DEAL. 
          GOOD DEAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA HOP DOWN TO, I MEAN, SALARY IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S AT THE TOP OF MIND. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA MOVE DOWN TO THE OFFICE SUPPLIES AND THE GENERAL ITEMS. UM, I DIDN'T PUT ANY OFFICE SUPPLIES BECAUSE OFFICE SUPPLIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED TWICE PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND THEY'LL BE MENTIONED WITH ROAD AND BRIDGE AGAIN. 
          AND I THINK IT'LL BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT, UM, ONCE WE COME UP WITH A COMBINED NUMBER. 
          UM, SO I DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THAT LINE ITEM POSTAGE AS WELL. 
          UM, AS FAR AS GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE, UH, THERE IS ONE VEHICLE THAT I'M CURRENTLY USING, UM, AND IT'S ALREADY BROKEN DOWN, SO, UH, DEFINITELY. 
          SO YOUR, YOUR VEHICLE IS BROKEN DOWN. 
          , IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED, BUT O2 SENSOR WAS OUT. 
          IT, IT HAS, IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH ITEMS. HOW OLD OF A VEHICLE DID WE GIVE YOU? JUST FOR OLD? IT, IT SAYS 2011. 
          IT'S ALL, IT'S 2011. 
          YEAH, IT'S GOT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES THERE. 
          THIS IS THE ONE OF THE THREE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING. 
          GOT IT. 
          POTENTIALLY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND DO YOU NEED A, A TRUCK? GO AHEAD. 
          I, FOR A VEHICLE OR I DID REQUEST A TRUCK BECAUSE, UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN I'M GONNA NEED TO BE OUT INVESTIGATING, UM, A STREET OR, UM, AND I DON'T WANNA GET STUCK IN THE MUD. 
          SO  DO, DO YOU NEED A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE TRUCK? IT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REQUESTING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          ASKING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT MAKES SENSE JUST FROM DRIVING AROUND, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MUDDY AREAS THAT I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN STUCK IN. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS THE REQUEST AND IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WASN'T TOO BIG OF A DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN, UH, I THINK BARRY SAID ABOUT 3,500 BUCKS. 
          YEAH, TYP TYPICALLY THEY'RE 3,500 TO 4,000 AND WE 
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USUALLY, UH, GET NEARLY ALL THAT BACK WHEN WE GET RID OF 'EM TOO. 
          SO THEY HOLD VALUE WAY BETTER THAN THE TWO WHEEL DRIVES. 
          AND I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT IT AS A POOL VEHICLE FOR, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE MY DAILY DRIVER, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH TO HOME AND, AND TO WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I, I ASSUME THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ALL UTILIZE IT AS AS NEEDED. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT WITH THE VEHICLE REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD SIR. 
          THAT, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          IT REALLY GOES TO THE HEART OF MY QUESTION AND I'D ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER GOANA THIS, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHO IS ALLOCATED COUNTY VEHICLES? I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GETS 'EM, RIGHT? SURE. 
          BUT IT, IT'S, HOW DO WE DECIDE WHO, WHERE WE ALLOCATE COUNTY VEHICLES? 'CAUSE IT'S A BIG EXPENSE, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND I KNOW BAD EXAMPLE, BUT ME, I SURE DON'T DESERVE A COUNTY VEHICLE. 
          I JUST DRIVE MY CAR. 
          SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND I COULD GET YOU A 2011 TRUCK . 
          REALLY? I CAN I BUY IT? I'LL, I KNOW ONE OF MY GRANDKIDS THAT WOULD LOVE IT. 
          YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY CLAIMS AGAINST THE COUNTY THOUGH. 
          OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THEM SIGN A WAIVER, . 
          YEAH, NO, UM, WE LOOK AT THAT, THE FLEET, UH, THE FLEET COMMITTEE LOOKS THROUGH THAT FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE TRY TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DOES AS TO WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE WE EVEN REQUEST. 
          LIKE WITH, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          LIKE WITH IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME BIGGER TRUCKS AND, AND VANS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY'RE DRIVING THEM LIKE THIS ONE MILE RADIUS. 
          AND SO WE'RE KIND OF DOWNSIZING WHAT THEY USE. 
          SO WE CAN ONCE SAVE GAS MILEAGE, UM, GETTING THEM SOME SMALLER TRUCKS OR SOME SPRINTER VANS. 
          DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WHEN A TIME COMES. 
          BUT WE EVALUATE, THE FLEET COMMITTEE LOOKS AT EVERY DEPARTMENT AND IT HAS VEHICLES AND EVALUATES WHAT THEY DO, HOW FAR THEY DRIVE, UM, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A POOL SYSTEM, SO TO SAY. 
          IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERY, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN POOL SYSTEM KIND OF DEAL. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THE KIND OF OPERATION THAT COULD HAVE JUST A POOL OF VEHICLES WITH A FLEET MANAGER AND YOU HAVE TO COME CHECK 'EM OUT. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO REALLY FIT KIND OF WHAT WE DO HERE. 
          UM, BUT IT, BUT IT MAY IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT'S KINDA HOW WE DETERMINE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SO I JUST, I AGAIN, I, I'VE, I KNOW YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOUR EXPERTISE AND I TRUST YOU ON IT. 
          I JUST ASK THAT WE LOOK AT ALL THESE DECISIONS CAREFULLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE COULD BE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, AND THAT'S MY GOAL ON THE FLEET COMMITTEE IS REALLY TO DIG INTO, IF WE HAVE FOUR IN A DEPARTMENT, DOES THREE MAKES SENSE? OR ARE WE ALL FOREIGN VEHICLES AT THE SAME TIME? DO WE, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN WE GO TO REPLACE THINGS, ARE WE GETTING RID OF TWO AND KEEP AND GETTING A NEW ONE VERSUS A NEW TWO? WE LOOK AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS OVER TIME TO TRY TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN WE BROUGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER GOANA IN WHEN HE WAS COMMISSIONER ELECT GOANA, AND WE STARTED REALLY EVALUATING THE FLEET LAST YEAR. 
          THAT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER VEER, MYSELF, BARRY, UM, CAPTAIN BROWN AND, AND BOBBY, AND REALLY STARTED DI DIVING IN, THAT'S THE EFFICIENCY IS WHAT WE WENT FOR. 
          SO ONE PRIME EXAMPLE IS YOU NOTICE THE INVESTIGATOR GOT A TOYOTA CAMRY. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A GOOD CAR. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CAGE. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, THAT CAR CAN GO FOR A LOT OF MILES. 
          AND SO, SO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO TRY TO GO THAT ROUTE. 
          UM, WE DID TRY, WE'RE DOING SOME EXPERIMENT WITH SOME HYBRID VEHICLES TO TRY TO REALLY REDUCE, UH, GAS MILEAGE AND, AND UPKEEP ON THESE VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT, UH, THAT BOBBY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE THAT WE, THAT WE STARTED REALLY GOING WITH IS, IS INSTEAD OF JUST A ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT, EVALUATING WHY WE HAVE IT, WHAT PURPOSE DOES IT SERVE? AND SO THAT DEEP DIVE BASICALLY STARTED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          THAT'S, I I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WASN'T WELL MANAGED, BUT THAT REAL DEEP DIVE, WE, WE WENT INTO IT IN, IN A LOT MORE DETAIL LAST YEAR THAN I THINK WE HAVE BEFORE. 
          AND I THINK THE FLEET COMMITTEE HAS CO CONTINUED WITH THAT EFFORT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ONE TRUCK. 
          ONE TRUCK GOT IT. 
          TO REPLACE THE 2011 VEHICLE. 
          AND, AND J JUST REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONER GOANA THIS, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT, 33,000 THAT INCLUDES IT BEING FOUR WHEEL DRIVE OR NO, IT DOES. 
          IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY BASIC, BUT YES. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT FOUR WHEEL DRIVE AND, AND THE, AND JUST ONE THING THAT I, I, THAT 33,000, I HAVEN'T VERIFIED WHETHER THAT'S, UM, TODAY'S GOVERNMENT PRICE BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET, BUT I KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF THE PERCENTAGE IT'S GONNA INCREASE. 
          SO I STILL NEED TO LOOK AT, AT THAT TO SEE WHAT THE NEW, WHEN THEY RELEASE THE GOVERNMENT PRICING, HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA GO UP THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          LI LIKELY, LIKELY 5%. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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UM, SORRY, DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE GOING THROUGH LINE ITEMS OR HOP TO THE YEAH, LET, LET, LET, LET'S HOP TO THE, THE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SO THE CAPITAL OUTLAY WE'VE GOT, SO THE ADDING POSITIONS ARE, IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO HOP TO. 
          I I HAVE A COUPLE OF REAL QUICK, UH, QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU ON THE LINE ITEMS THAT ARE REALLY SMALL. 
          SURE. 
          WHAT SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION ARE YOU ASKING FOR? FOR $660. 
          GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. 
          UM, SO THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR TWO LICENSES, UH, FOR BLUEBEAM SOFTWARE. 
          UM, BLUEBEAM IS KIND OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT'S BEING UTILIZED NOW, UM, TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW PLANS. 
          UM, SO OUR, OUR CONSULTANT USES IT AS WELL, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO BASICALLY TAKE A DIGITAL FILE INTO BLUEBEAM AND BE ABLE TO MEASURE AND CALCULATE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND SOME OF THE BASIC STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO, UM, AND NOT SEND EVERYTHING TO THE CONSULTANT. 
          UM, IT, IT'S JUST A VERY BENEFICIAL SOFTWARE. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE ASK FOR THAT. 
          IT'S 330 PER LICENSE PER YEAR. 
          SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAN MAKE BETWEEN A LOT OF THE SOFTWARES WE'RE USING IN SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY USING, BUT I DID KNOW THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASKED FOR MONEY TO BE MORE, UH, LIKE ONLINE TYPE THING. 
          AND ARE YOU LOOKING AT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AS WELL? UH, AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO INTAKE THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC THROUGH ONLINE SYSTEMS RATHER THAN ON PAPER? AND ARE YOU WANTING US TO LOOK AT PUTTING THAT IN THE BUDGET? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, WE'VE STILL BEEN, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME DEMOS ON ONLINE SOFTWARE. 
          THAT IS THE GOAL TO EVENTUALLY BE DIGITAL WITH ALL OF OUR INTAKE OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANS, UH, AND PERMITS. 
          SO THIS WOULD WORK IN TANDEM WITH THAT. 
          UH, THOSE SOFTWARES DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE ANY SORT OF REVIEW CAPABILITIES WITHIN THEM. 
          UM, SO THIS WOULD WORK IN TANDEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY JUDGE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, LINE ITEM BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE POSITIONS? ALL RIGHT, CARRY ON. 
          UM, DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE POSITIONS FIRST OR DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THES? I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE MARSHAL FIRST. 
          OKAY, SURE. 
           NOT TO BE REPETITIVE, BUT , I BELIEVE WE NEED A FIRE MARSHAL . 
          SO THAT, THAT IS, IS MY BELIEF TOO, THAT WE NEED A FIRE MARSHAL. 
          WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S ABLE TO DO ALL THE, THE THINGS THAT WERE ENUMERATED ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE HAD A FIRE MARSHAL DOING. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL ON STAFF TO DO, UM, INCLUDING INVESTIGATING FIRES, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL INSPECTIONS, UM, REVIEWING PLANS FOR FIRE CODE. 
          UH, NOT THAT WE AREN'T, UH, CURRENTLY DOING THAT, BUT JUST HAVING SOMEBODY WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE, UM, ON STAFF I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE EXPERIENCE ASPECT THAT A FIRE MARSHAL BRINGS TO THE POSITION AND BEING ABLE TO, TO DO THOSE, UH, INVESTIGATIONS, UH, JUST AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          SO, UH, STRUCTURALLY LOOKING AT AN ORGANIZATIONAL FLOW CHART, WHERE DO I PLUG IN THE FIRE MARSHAL? SO THEY, THEY'LL HAVE SOME DUTIES THAT THE INVESTIGATION, LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP, MAY BE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE LOGICAL CALL. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN, BUT WHERE, WHERE DO I STRUCTURE, ARE THEY THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT UNDERNEATH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR ARE THEY, UH, HOW, HOW SHOULD I STRUCTURE THAT? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION HOW, HOW Y'ALL WANT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STRUCTURED. 
          UM, I'VE KIND OF BEEN LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS AN UMBRELLA WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR DIVISIONS UNDERNEATH US. 
          UM, AND SO MY THOUGHT WAS IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT THE FIRE MARSHAL TO LIVE, UH, WE DO HAVE A SPOT FOR HIM OVER AT THE ANNEX. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HIM OR HER. 
          AND SO WE COULD JUST PLUG THAT IN AS RIGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH GIS AND THEN, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND ROAD AND BRIDGE AND CORRECT. 
          AND FIRE MARSHAL. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF HE WERE, OR SHE, IF THEY WERE PUT AT THE, AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT THAT 
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ALSO IS A CONSIDERATION, UM, A GOOD CHUNK OF THEIR NO, I, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM OVER AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT JUST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD, FROM TIME TO TIME NOT, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE DAILY, WEEKLY, OR EVEN MONTHLY, BUT WHEN THERE NEEDED TO BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO MM-HMM . 
          ARSON THAT RIGHT. 
          THAT THEY WOULD, UM, ALSO HAVE, UM, OTHER DUTIES OUTSIDE OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THEIR DUTIES ARE GOING TO REVOLVE AROUND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ROLE, UH, AS FAR AS, UM, REVIEWING PLANS FOR FIRE CODE, UM, AND GOING AND DOING THE INSPECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT BUILDINGS ARE MEETING FIRE CODE STANDARDS. 
          SO I, I THINK A LOT OF THEIR ROLE IS GOING TO BE BASED IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE OCCASIONAL INVESTIGATIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN, CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE, JUST A BRIEF IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THINGS THAT WE CAN, BESIDES, I GUESS, FIRE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE CAN'T CURRENTLY DO WITH OUR PEOPLE NOW? WHAT ELSE IS THIS GONNA BE ALLOW US TO DO THAT WE CAN'T CURRENTLY DO? WELL, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR, OUR FIRE MARSHALS HAVE A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF, I SAY OUR FIRE MARSHALS. 
          FIRE MARSHALS IN GENERAL. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THE INTER INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND ALL THE AMENDMENTS. 
          SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, GUIDE US BETTER ON, ON, UM, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS UP TO CODE, UM, WHETHER THAT, THAT BE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, CO CONSULTATIONS, ON PLANS, PLAN REVIEWS OR, UM, INSPECTIONS. 
          SO THEY JUST HAVE A, A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING AND TYPICALLY COME WITH, UM, SOME EXPERIENCE AS WELL WORKING, UH, AS A FIREFIGHTER FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, CARISSA AND I CAN READ THE BOOKS, WE CAN READ THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL THERE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE INTERPRETING, UM, INTERPRETING THOSE FIRE CODES THE BEST WE CAN. 
          BUT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT IT, THIS IS A SPECIALIZED, UH, AREA OF EXPERTISE THAT WE ARE LACKING CURRENTLY IN MY, IN MY OPINION, OPINION. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU, COMMISSIONER, THERE'S CERTAIN STATUTES THAT REQUIRE A FIRE MARSHAL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT REQUIRES A FIRE MARSHAL TO ACTUALLY REVIEW AND APPROVE OR, OR DENY. 
          UM, CERTAIN, I'LL SPEAK ALSO ON THAT TOO, IS, UM, HAVING, BEING THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL, WE'RE ALLOWED ONLY SO MANY THINGS. 
          I CAN ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMITS NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, UM, CO AND DO THAT. 
          I COULD DO INSPECTIONS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I WISH I COULD, UH, BUT HAVING A FIRE MARSHAL HERE, UM, IS A PEACE OFFICER THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO GO IN AND ENFORCE THAT FIRE CODE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO DO LIKE, SORRY, STOP WORK ORDER OR CLOSE, BASICALLY LIKE CLOSE THE BUSINESSES DOWN TO ENFORCE THAT. 
          SO IT'S AN EXTRA LAYER OF ENFORCEMENT THAT WE REALLY ARE LACKING IN THESE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WE REALLY DO NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE ENFORCEMENT LEVEL IS WHAT I CAN'T DO. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THERE'S REVIEW THAT IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE DONE BY THE FIRE MARSHAL AND, UM, CURRENTLY WE, WE DON'T HAVE SOME, WE CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS. 
          WE CAN'T, CAN'T DO THOSE REVIEWS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY, MAY I ASK REAL QUICK, WHAT DOES BUREAU OF VERITAS DO THAT THAT FOR, FOR THE COUNTY, IF, IF NOT FIRE INSPECTION? NO, YOU MAY NOT ASK. 
          NO, I'M KIDDING. 
           . 
          WELL, THEY'RE, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          THEY'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT THE BUILDING CODE. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER CODES THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED. 
          UM, AND, AND FIRE CODE IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TYPICALLY LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS. 
          I, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE PAY FOR THEIR SERVICES OUT OF, OUT OF A, A SPECIAL FUND THAT'S FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I'M WAS CON WHERE I'M CONFUSED NOW. 
          I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE SOMEONE CHECKING THE FIRE CODE AND WE WERE PAYING THEM BECAUSE WE CHARGED FOR THEIR, THAT PERMIT. 
          I'LL JUST STAND RIGHT HERE. 
           FOR THAT FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT FUND, COULD THAT BE USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR POSITION AT ALL? I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY IN IT, THAT YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX FUND COULD BE USED FOR IT. 
          I BELIEVE IT STAY OUTTA FUND 51 . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE JUDGE HAS IN BUDGETS, 
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THE, IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS, THE JUDGE HAS PUT IN A FIRE MARSHAL AND IT HAS NOT STUCK. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT HAD BEEN ROUND THREE OF THE JUDGE PUTTING IT IN FUND 51. 
          BUT YEAH, THE FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU'RE NOT WRONG. 
          , UH, IT IS, IS, UH, UNDER $200,000 FUND BALANCE. 
          SO IT, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T MAINTAIN IT, UH, PAST A YEAR. 
          BUT, BUT COULD IT BUY EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? WELL, WHAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN SOME OF THAT, THAT FUND, TH IT'S FUND 30 OF FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND WE'VE APPLIED IT BACK TO THE, WE'VE TRANSFERRED IT TO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET POSITIONS LIKE THE HEALTH COORDINATOR WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE DOING SOME OF THAT WORK. 
          SO IT, IT CAN, IT DOES SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND ALREADY TO HELP PAY FOR CARISSA'S POSITION. 
          SO, BUT, BUT I'M SAYING WE, WE COULD IN THEORY SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO STAND UP A FIRE MARSHAL SO WE CAN BUY UNIFORMS, TRUCKS AND ACTUALLY APPLY THAT TO FUND 30. 
          I, I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT BECAUSE I'M JUST, I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT THE TITLE OF THE FUND IS, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT TO WHAT IT COULD PAY FOR THAT WHEN I DON'T HAVE NO, NO, NO. 
          AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE A LEGAL OPINION EITHER. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST THROWING THAT INTO THE UNIVERSE. 
          IT'S IS THAT IN OUR FUND STATUTE BOOK? YEAH, . 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH THAT TO START. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE I NEED TO START BRINGING THAT WITH ME INSTEAD OF ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          YEAH, I KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER VEHICLE. 
          QUIT TELLING US NO . 
          YEAH, THIS EXACTLY. 
          YES YOU CAN. 
          YES YOU CAN. 
          I DON'T LIKE, ANYWAY, WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER VEHICLE IF WE DO A FIRE MARSHAL, BY THE WAY, JUST WELL HAVE THAT IN MIND. 
          AND YOU GOTTA GET UNIFORMS, UM, AND, AND OTHER THINGS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, FUND 30 COULD HELP US IF IT HAS A FUND BALANCE OF, OF MAY PULLING THAT OUT. 
          LISA, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SO BUREAU OF VERITAS DOES, UM, THEY DO FIRE CODE REVIEW AND THEY DO BUILDING REVIEW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT A FIRE MARSHAL IS, WOULD BE ABLE TO DO FOR US, IS TO TAKE THE PLACE OF BUREAU VERITAS. 
          UM, ANYTIME WE GET COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN, THEY DO A FULL ON BUILDING CODE REVIEW, AND THEN THEY, UH, REVIEW OUR ADOPTED FIRE CODE NO MATTER WHAT. 
          AND THEN THEY ALSO DO THE FIRE SPRINKLERS, ALARMS, ET CETERA. 
          SO YES, THEY, WE'VE ADOPTED A FIRE CODE AND THEY REVIEW OFF THE FIRE CODE AND THE BUILDING CODE IS ENCOMPASSED IN THE FIRE CODE AND THEY REVIEW IT BASED ON THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE BOTH, SO YES, THEY ARE FIRE CODE REVIEWERS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOMEONE YES. 
          REVIEWING IT NOW. 
          I'M JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          YES. 
          BUREAU BERTOS APOLOGIZE DOES THAT FOR US. 
          YES. 
          SO LISA, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST WE, WE, WE SPEND WITH VERITAS, UM, ANNUALLY? LET ME GET MELISSA TO LOOK IT UP. 
          IT'LL JUST TAKE A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT, UH, BECAUSE WE PAY, WE PAY THEM FOR, CARISSA MIGHT KNOW THIS MORE THAN I DO. 
          WE PAY THEM FOR CERTAIN OTHER THINGS AS WELL, BUT, UH, BUREAU VERITAS DOES ALL OF OUR INSPECTIONS FOR US. 
          THEY DO? YEAH. 
          SO WHEN WE GET A, UM, A C COMMERCIAL BUILDING PLAN SET IN, THEY GET ASSIGNED, UM, OR ASSESSED FEES ON THAT. 
          THEY GET THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE, UM, THE FIRE CODE FEE AND ANY OTHER THING THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED. 
          AND SO WE TAKE THAT IN, UM, AND THEN THAT GOES INTO THAT FUND. 
          UM, AND THEN WE GET BILLED SPECIFICALLY PER PROJECT. 
          AND SO IT'S, WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING IN WHAT WE'RE PAYING THEM. 
          RIGHT, BECAUSE 'CAUSE THE, THE, THE BUILDER IS CHARGED FOR YES, YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A PASS. 
          AND ARE THESE FEES SET BY STATUTE OR ARE THESE FEES SET BY US? UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SET BY BUREAU VERITAS. 
          NO. 
          OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BY, YES. 
          YES. 
          SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM AND WE HAVE OUR OWN FIRE MARSHAL DOING ALL OF THIS WORK MM-HMM . 
          THEN WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING THESE FEES? US? IT WOULD BE US. 
          I, OR IS IT STATUTE? IT WOULD BE THE FARCO. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON, ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER YEAH. 
          TO THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, YEAH. 
          I, I BELIEVE YOU NOW A QUESTION YOU WOULD STILL CHARGE CERTAINLY THAT YOU JUST WOULDN'T EXPEND IT BECAUSE YOU WERE ALREADY DOING IT ON YOUR FIRE MARSHAL. 
          BUT WE CAN, WE CAN ANALYZE THAT AND SEE, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE OFFSETTING, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE AN EVEN OFFSET, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT AN EVEN OFFSET RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          JUMP IN HERE, LAUREN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S YOUR TURN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU JUDGE. 
          AND JOHN, UM, A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UH, I, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WE NEED A FIRE MARSHAL. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION TO BE, UH, FROM YOUR POSITION, IT SOUNDS LIKE, LISA, THAT IF WE CHARGE FEES, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE USING SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY PAY TO BUREAU, BUREAU VERITAS WOULD NOW GO INTO THIS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT WHEN, WHEN A BUILDER COMES TO THE HEALTH 
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COORDINATOR'S OFFICE, THAT THE PRICE OF THE BUILDING IS THEN CALCULATED OUT TO THREE DIFFERENT, I I THINK IT'S THREE DIFFERENT AVENUES. 
          ONE'S FIRE ONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT'S THE FEE. 
          THEN SHE TELLS SHE, MEANING CARISSA TELLS THE BUILDER, RIGHT. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOU OWE THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I I I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT STRAIGHT UP, UH, TODAY. 
          BUT WE CAN, WE CAN ANALYZE IT AND SEE HOW, HOW WE'RE DOING. 
          BUT YES, FUND 30 COULD BE SOMETHING THAT ERICA COULD, COULD UTILIZE. 
          UH, AND MAYBE WE COULD, UH, SO AS WE DETERMINE THE COST OF THIS PERSON OR THIS INDIVIDUAL WE HIRE IN THAT DEPARTMENT FUND MONEY THAT NORMALLY WAS JUST PASSED THROUGH TO BUREAU OF VERITAS WOULD NOW BECOME MONEY WE COULD USE AND REDUCE THE NET COST OF THIS TO US. 
          I, I BELIEVE SO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO WHEN WE DO THE CALCULATION OF THE BUDGET, WE CAN WE LOOK AT THAT? 'CAUSE IT WON'T PROBABLY BE AS EXPENSIVE AS IT, IT SOUNDS. 
          AND LAUREN, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THAT CALCULATION SHEET AND FEES WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          IF YOU COULD SHOW US WHAT YOU'VE MM-HMM . 
          COLLECTED OVER, LIKE, OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          SURE. 
          WE'D SEE WHAT I HAVE ALL THAT WE DRAW ANNUALLY AND HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD GO, THAT'D BE HELPFUL, I THINK ABSOLUTELY. 
          DURING THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS GOES TO YOUR, UM, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          IT MIGHT SHOW HOW LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THIS PERSON NOW. 
          WE HAVE BUREAU VERITAS, WHATEVER. 
          IS THIS PERSON THAT WHEN THEY STEP IN, THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY BUSY FULL-TIME OR NOT? I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE EBBS AND FLOWS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF STUFF. 
          UH, WHEN WE SEND IT TO REVIEWERS, UH, WE'RE WAITING EXTENDED TIME, UH, FOR RESPONSES BACK FROM CONSULTANTS. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, UM, OR, OR SCHEDULE SOMETHING, UH, INSPECTIONS. 
          IT, IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THINGS, THE PROCESS GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER, I THINK. 
          SO YOU THINK WE NEED A FULL-TIME PERSON RIGHT NOW, OR A PART-TIME PERSON? ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE MARSHAL OR FIRE MARSHAL OR THE CLERK? THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE, UH, THAT OUR, WELL, I'M JUST ASKING YOUR OPINION. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST AGAIN, MY OPINION IS, IS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON, UH, BEING HERE FOR A MONTH. 
          SO , UH, WHEN I HAD SPOKEN, SORRY, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          WHEN I HAD SPOKEN WITH A BUREAU OF VERITAS EMPLOYEE ABOUT A PROJECT, I WAS EMPHATICALLY TOLD SHE DOESN'T LOOK AT, UH, FIRE CODE AT ALL, AND THAT I NEEDED TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECTS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, IT'S APPARENTLY A DIFFERENT REVIEWER, A BUREAU OF VERITAS THAT LOOKS AT FIRE CODE. 
          SO, UM, ANYHOW, THERE ARE EBBS AND FLOWS. 
          I BELIEVE WITH ANY, ANY PERIOD OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU'LL BE SWAMPED, YOU'LL HAVE A TON OF STUFF, UH, THAT'S JUST BACKLOGGED AND YOU CAN'T GET, UM, YOU CAN'T GET THINGS DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S PERIODS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LULL AND YOU HAVE TIME TO CATCH UP ON OTHER PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO WORK ON. 
          SO, SURE. 
          UM, AT THE MOMENT, I THINK THAT WE, UH, COULD USE A PART-TIME PERSON, BUT THEN THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES DURING THE YEAR WHERE WE PROBABLY COULD USE TWO FIRE MARSHALS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT, OKAY. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST, IT IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERCOMPLICATE IT AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT REALLY LEADS INTO MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO ADD WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS. 
          I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO ABOUT GETTING A FIRE MARSHAL FROM SOMEBODY WITHIN HIS, UH, DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T THINK HE HAD ANYONE THAT WOULD FIT THAT BILL TO ME, IT SEEMS WITH ALL THE CROSS TRAINING THAT GOES ON IN FIRE AND POLICE, AND THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE WHO FITS THAT BILL. 
          HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS. 
          I KNOW IN HEATH WE USED TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. 
          SO MY POINT IS THIS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HE, TO SOME EXTENT, THIS PERSON WOULD BE A PEACE OFFICER, RIGHT? IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECT. 
          CORRECTLY TYPICALLY, YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF IS ASKING FOR POSITIONS, SO RIGHT NOW, SO MAYBE ONE THING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS, UM, SAYING IF YOU REALLY NEED A POSITION, IF YOU REALLY NEED SOMEBODY, SHERIFF, LET'S HIRE SOMEBODY WHO FITS BOTH SPOTS SO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A FULL, DON'T NEED A FULL-TIME PERSON RIGHT NOW, THEN 
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MAYBE WE'VE GOT A PERSON THAT WE CAN, DOES DOUBLE DUTY. 
          AND IS THIS, THIS JOB EXPANDS MAYBE NEXT YEAR? WE DO NEED A FULL-TIME PERSON. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHERIFF TO SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          WHAT POSITION WOULD THAT PERSON DULY SERVE FOR THE SHERIFF AFTER YOUR CONVERSATIONS? WELL, THE SHERIFF TOLD ME HE DIDN'T HAVE A PERSON LIKE THIS. 
          I, I GET IT, BUT WHAT'S A PART-TIME FIRE CHIEF GONNA GO BE A CLERK FOR THE SHERIFF? I MEAN, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? FIRE CHIEF'S NOT A CLERK. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          SO, BUT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? LIKE, WHAT WOULD THE SHERIFF BE WELL, THE SHERIFF CAME IN HERE THE OTHER DAY AND HE ASKED FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAYS HE NEEDS FOUR NEW GUYS TO TAKE CARE OF THE COURTHOUSE. 
          SO THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FIRE CHIEF SLASH OFFICER FOR THE COURTHOUSE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? NO, I'M THINKING THIS. 
          THE SHERIFF'S ASKED FOR PEOPLE THAT HE MAY NOT BE GETTING. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF I WERE MAKING THE DECISION, HE PROBABLY HAS ASKED FOR PEOPLE HE WOULDN'T BE GETTING. 
          BUT IF WE CAN, IF WE HAVE A PEACE OFFICER AND THAT PERSON CAN BE A FIRE MARSHAL ALSO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S NOT A FULL-TIME POSITION, THEN MAYBE THERE'S A POSITION, AND WE TALKED, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS, SHOULD THIS PERSON BE POSITIONED UNDER THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? THE JUDGE SAYS, NO, HE WANTS THEM IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FINE. 
          BUT IT IS A PEACE OFFICER. 
          AND IF BOTH PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR PERSONS TO SERVE AND SHE SAYS, PROBABLY COULD USE A PART-TIME PERSON RIGHT NOW, THEN MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS STAFF HALF AND HALF. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GONNA DO FOR THE SHERIFF. 
          I DON'T RUN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          THAT'S HIS JOB. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE KIND OF APPLICANT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR A PART-TIME PERSON. 
          I, I WOULD JUST, IN MY OPINION, UH, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT A FULL-TIME PERSON FOR THIS KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR, UH, SOME OF THIS POSITION. 
          WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YET OUT OF FUND 30. 
          SO I JUST, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT FIRST BEFORE, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE DECIDE, BUT I'M, I, I'D BE MORE IN FAVOR OF A FULL-TIME PERSON THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE ROLE WE'RE HIRING FOR MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST ME. 
          AND, AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED HEATH WHILE AGO, BUT, BUT I WILL SPEAK TO, UM, CITY OF ROCKWALL ALSO FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          UM, TYPICALLY THE FIRE MARSHALS, I THINK COME FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 
          THOSE POSITIONS, TYPICALLY THEY ARE FIREMEN, RIGHT. 
          WHO HAVE THEN TAKEN ADDITIONAL TRAINING TO BECOME IN THE FIRE MARSHAL ROLE. 
          AND IN THE CITY OF HEATH, PARTICULARLY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, THEY, THEY HIRED, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A PART-TIME PERSON THAT WAS THE FIRE MARSHAL, BUT HAD TAKEN ADDITIONAL TRAINING, BUT HAD BEEN A FIRE FIREMAN AND IN A CAPTAIN ROLE, I BELIEVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S DISCIPLINE HAS BEEN MORE FROM THE, IN THE FIRE AS A FIREMAN, PROBABLY YOU'RE, I I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, BUT, AND THEY, AND THEY JUST CARRY A PIECE. 
          REMEMBER, THEY CARRY A PEACE OFFICER TYPE OF ACCREDITATION AS WELL IN, IN THE CITY OF HEATH. 
          AND I CERTAINLY IN THE CITY OF ROCKWALL, THEY, THIS PERSON HAS A LOT MORE GOING ON THAN THE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND THE, THE, THE, THE, THE HEATH AND ROCKWALL, THEY BOTH HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 
          WE DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT, CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT MY POINT IS THIS, THAT EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR PEOPLE. 
          EVERYBODY'S WANTING MORE. 
          AND IF WE CAN BE CREATIVE AND FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN HAVE A PERSON DO ENOUGH DUTY THAT MAYBE THIS YEAR WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE MONEY, I'M A BIG FAN OF SAVING A LITTLE MONEY. 
          SO THAT'S MY POINT THERE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, UH, BOTH, UH, BOBBY AND DANA, AND, UH, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. 
          THE LAST THING I HAVE QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS IS, UM, THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHICH I'VE HEARD BEFORE, THAT WE CAN, IN, WE HAVE CERTAIN ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS WITH A FIRE MARSHAL THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHERWISE. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE THE LEGAL FOUNDATION IN PLACE IN OUR REGULATIONS, WHETHER IT BE SUBDIVISION OR CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER, FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS, DO WE HAVE ALL THAT IN PLACE SO THAT THIS PERSON CAN STEP AND ENFORCE? OR DO WE NEED TO PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO GIVE THIS PERSON THE FULL TOOLBOX THAT HE OR SHE NEEDS TO FULFILL IT, HIS OR HER POSITION? UH, RESPECTFULLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO APPROACH THIS ANYMORE IN AN OPEN SESSION. 
          I AGREE. 
          AGREED. 
          I'VE JUST, WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL AND, AND WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, TO MOVE ON FROM YOUR QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST, OKAY. 
          WELL THEN I'M NOT GONNA ASK A QUESTION. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE A 
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STATEMENT. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, WHEN WE HIRE A FIRE MARSHAL, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR SUBDIVISION RULES AND ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION REGULATIONS IN PLACE AND READY. 
          SO THIS PERSON CAN HAVE A FULL TOOLBOX. 
          AND IF WE HAVE 'EM ALL TODAY, GREAT. 
          AND IF WE DON'T, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S YOU, . 
          THOSE ARE, I'M DONE. 
          THAT'S IT FOR ME ON THIS, ON THAT POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT TOPIC. 
          SO I, I JUST, I, I KIND OF WANT TO, TO PIGGYBACK ON, ON SOME OF THIS. 
          I, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT, TO WHAT COMMISSIONER GOANA WAS SAYING ON THE QUALITY OF APPLICANT AND, AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO IT, I THINK IT IS A ROLE THAT WILL EVOLVE QUICKLY. 
          I, I THINK THAT THERE, THAT THERE IS, UH, PLENTY OF INSPECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND ALSO WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE STRATEGIC PLAN, A COMMENT KIND OF CAME AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF INEFFICIENCY IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. 
          AND, AND, AND I LAUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU RAN A LAW PRACTICE AND, AND I'VE RAN AN INSURANCE AGENCY AND I GET RID OF INEFFICIENCY BY BEING THE DICTATOR BY SAYING, THIS INEFFICIENCY IS GONE BECAUSE I RUN THIS COMPANY. 
          I FIRMLY BELIEVE, I BET YOU LOVE THAT ROLE, . 
          I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT STATUTORILY, THERE IS SOME INHERENT INEFFICIENCY IN THIS POSITION THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE YOU AND I TO SIT DOWN AND, AND TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOUR EFFICIENCY MODEL. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, BECAUSE OF THE STATUTES, BECAUSE OF HOW THE STATE LAW IS LAID OUT AND, AND, AND HOW THIS OFFICE HOLDER IS THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, I WON'T SAY ANNOYANCE, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF LIKE HOW WE CAN'T MAKE LISA DO ANYTHING WE WANT. 
          THIS IS, THIS FALLS UNDER KIND OF THAT SORT OF THING. 
          IS IT, THIS ISN'T AN AUTONOMOUS SITUATION. 
          A FIRE MARSHAL IS A DULY PLACED PEACE OFFICER FOR A REASON. 
          AND THERE'S STATUTES THAT CAN BE ENFORCED AND FLOWED. 
          AND WHILE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S PROBABLY BETTER EFFICIENCIES AND THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO DO IT. 
          I THINK THE STATE LAW IS AGAINST US, AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF AN INHERENCY, THAT THERE'S JUST SOME BUILT IN INEFFICIENCY THAT, THAT KIND OF DRIVES ME CRAZY. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          AND, AND THAT'S JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. 
          NO, UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M NOT, I, I STARTED MY, MY COMMENTARY BY SAYING, I THINK WE NEED A FIRE MARSHAL. 
          TRUE ENOUGH. 
          I I'M NOT, NOT DEBATING THAT ISSUE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING LET'S BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN AND USE THIS PERSON TO THE MAXIMUM ABILITY. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF WE DO IT RIGHT AT THE START, WE CAN DO IT RIGHT. 
          IF WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT AT THE START, WE CAN, IT'S VERY HARD TO FIX. 
          AND THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES CLERK. 
          LET'S MOVE THIS ALONG. 
          DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CLERK. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          WELL PLAYED. 
          WELL PLAYED. 
          YEP. 
          . 
          UM, WELL, SO YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE COMMENTS, I, I ALSO PUT IN THERE THE OPTION FOR PART-TIME. 
          UM, AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR, FOR NEW FOLKS, IT'S JUST KIND OF HARD STARTING A NEW DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE ONE PERSON THAT SERVES ALL THE ENTITIES. 
          YES. 
          AS, AS THE KIND OF THE POINT OF ENTRY. 
          THE FILTER, RIGHT? SO IN THE ANNEX BUILDING, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FRONT WINDOW THAT, THAT PEOPLE WILL COME TO INITIALLY. 
          UM, I'M ENVISIONING THAT THIS PERSON WOULD SIT AT THE FRONT, KIND OF LIKE SHELLY DOES OVER AT, AT RODENT BRIDGE AND TEAKS. 
          UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE, THE, THE SMILING FACE THAT YOU TALK TO AS SOON AS YOU COME UP WITH A QUESTION ABOUT PERMITS, WITH A QUESTION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE, UM, KIND OF THE FILTER THAT THAT HELPS, UM, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          'CAUSE THE OTHER THING IS THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR THE, THE TAX ASSESSOR, OR THEY, THEY MAY JUST BE COMING TO THE WRONG SPOT OR WHERE, WHERE'S MY COURT DATE? I'M SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP HERE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, SO I ENVISION IT BEING A VERY MULTIPURPOSE, UH, ROLE. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD EFFICIENT USE. 
          IT DOES SAY THAT THIS IS AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION, BUT WE'VE REQUESTED A SALARY OF 50 1003 22. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT IS AN ALL IN, UH, FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT INCLUDES BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          I, I THOUGHT, BOY, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENTRY LEVEL, BUT THAT THAT'S ALL IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, WE WERE ENVISIONING I THINK LIKE $15 
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AN HOUR WAS, WAS WHAT, WHAT IT WAS ESTIMATED AT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, IF IT, IF IT WAS A FULL-TIME PERSON, AGAIN, IT WOULD NOT JUST BE, UM, ACCEPTING PEOPLE COMING TO THE FRONT, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO BE TAKING THE ONLINE PERMITS AS THEY'RE, THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE COMING IN, MAKING SURE THOSE ARE GETTING TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO TO, UM, ANSWERING PHONE CALLS, UM, REALLY TRYING TO, TO SHADOW SHELLY AS WELL AND ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT COME IN. 
          THERE'S ROUTINELY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH CULVERTS BEING BLOCKED OR CER CERTAIN DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, UH, ON PROPERTIES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SORT OF THING THEY CAN INTAKE THAT AND SOME THINGS THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIELD THEMSELVES AND SOME THINGS THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PASS ALONG. 
          UM, SO I ALSO ENVISION THEM BEING ABLE TO DO SOME MINOR RESEARCH FOR US. 
          UM, LITTLE PROPERTY RESEARCH HERE AND THERE. 
          WE'LL TRAIN 'EM UP TO, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH PERMIT REVIEWS. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I, I HAVE HOPES AND PLANS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS INTO A, A REALLY GOOD, UM, ASSISTANT FOR OUR ENTIRE STAFF. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CLERK? RIGHT. 
          IT'LL BE WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO BE NAMED , YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, I THINK WE'VE DISCOVERED THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE CALLING IT DIFFERENT NAMES AND WHERE THAT  WHERE THAT COMES FROM, THAT I WILL, I WILL STRIVE TO DO BETTER. 
          NO, I'VE GOTTA OWN THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL ON ME. 
          I, I'VE BEEN CALLING IT TWO NAMES FOR TWO YEARS, SO  GOT IT. 
          UH, LET, LET'S, LET'S, UH, JUMP INTO THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SURE. 
          REALLY QUICK. 
          SO WE, WE HAD THE, THE VEHICLE THAT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I, I WENT BACK AND JUST, UH, MADE NOTES FOR MYSELF AND CHANGED THE QUANTITY TO TWO, UM, FOR, FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL, BECAUSE THAT I PROBABLY WOULD'VE MISSED THAT AND WE WOULD'VE HAD THEM AND ERICA'S OLD VEHICLE . 
          UM, WELL, AND, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I ENVISION THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE A POOL VEHICLE. 
          UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED A FULL-TIME VEHICLE. 
          WELL, THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL NEED SOME BADGING. 
          THEY WILL AND DECALS ON THEIR VEHICLE. 
          THAT'LL BE EXCLUSIVE TO OH, TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE CARISSA DEFINITELY NEEDS, UH, A FULL-TIME VEHICLE TOO WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ON THE SIDE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SHE ROUTINELY HAS TO GO OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS AND STUFF, SO I THINK SHE NEEDS TO MAINTAIN A VEHICLE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A POOL, UM, SO THAT JIM OR IRENA COULD UTILIZE IT. 
          I CAN UTILIZE IT. 
          UM, THE ASSISTANT, IF THEY'RE DOING SOME RESEARCH FOR US OUT IN THE FIELD, TAKING PICTURES OR, OR VIDEO, UM, THEY COULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET, LET'S JUMP INTO THESE, UH, CAPITAL SURE. 
          IMPROVEMENTS REAL QUICK. 
          SURE. 
          UM, I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LIDAR. 
          I REMOVED THE LIDAR FROM HERE BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT WITH, WITH JIM'S PRESENTATION EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS JUST A REDUNDANCY. 
          UM, SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN MODELING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I, THIS IS JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE. 
          UH, BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD FROM PAP DAWSON IN APRIL, UH, I WENT BACK TO THEM AND JUST GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY THINK THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD COST FOR, UH, A 2D MODELING OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          THIS IS NOT REMOVING ANY OF THE, THE CITIES. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE FULL, FULL COUNTY. 
          UM, SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS THEIR ESTIMATE AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY $3,000 PER SQUARE MILE, UM, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, OR NOT A LITTLE BIT THAT'S, THAT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS INITIALLY QUOTED IN, UH, THE APRIL WORKSHOP TO Y'ALL. 
          BUT, UM, I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THEM. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST KIND OF SHOOTING HIGH ON IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE COMPLEXITY. 
          IT, IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON GOOD RECORDS, UM, FROM THE COUNTY AND FROM THE VARIOUS CITIES AND COOPERATION FOR THEM TO PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION ON THEIR STORM SEWER SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO, AND THEY'RE RELYING ON US HAVING GOOD, UM, LIDAR DATA AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO, UM, WHERE, WHERE WERE WE AT DURING THE WORKSHOP? DOES ANYBODY KIND OF REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE? IT WAS HITTING AT ABOUT TWO 50, UM, BASED UPON WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WHEN I WAS DOING ROUGH MASKS, WELL, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T BE ANY MORE COMPLEX THAN ANYBODY ELSE THEY'VE EVER QUOTED. 
          SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WENT FROM TWO 50 TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO 3 4 4 4 50 OR WHATEVER IT IS, FOUR 50. 
          AND, AND, AND HOW DOES THIS WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT GIS WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 
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LIDAR AND THE PICTURE? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT ONE PROJECT OR IS THERE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, OR, OR HOW DOES THIS WORK TOGETHER IN YOUR MIND? SURE. 
          UM, SO THIS, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO PARTICIPATE WITH, UM, THE NEW LIDAR AND AERIAL, UM, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE COMING ALONG UNTIL END OF 2026, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING ON FLYING, UH, WITH THE COG. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD WANNA TRY TO START THIS SOONER, UM, AND, AND UTILIZE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND THE DATA THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ACQUIRE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          SO, AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THAT FLIGHT NEXT YEAR. 
          SO IN YOUR ESTIMATION, WOULD THERE BE A BETTER WAY TO GET THE LIDAR DATA, OR WOULD WE JUST NOT HAVE IT AND START THE 2D MODELING, AND THEN WOULD THAT NEGATE THE NEED FOR IT IF WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO MODEL? WELL, UM, I'M LOOKING INTO OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD GET THAT, THAT DATA SO THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND, AND NOT BE HELD UP. 
          UM, BECAUSE ONCE THEY, THEY FLY THE FLIGHT, THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYTHING TO BE RENDERED, UM, FOR THAT DATA TO BE, YOU KNOW, CREATE USABLE CONTOURS. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT 20, 27. 
          ARE THERE COMPANIES THAT DO LIDAR? YES. 
          YES. 
          BUT DID, DIDN'T DOING IT THROUGH CALL GIVE US ACCESS TO SOME OTHER LAYERS THAT OF, OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ONLY GET FROM COG? UM, WELL, WE WERE REJECTING SOME OF THE OPTIONS. 
          THEY HAD A, A LIST OF OF THINGS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US AND WERE THERE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH, YEAH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE HUGE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE OFFERING. 
          SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO THE CHEAPEST PAIRED DOWN OPTION THROUGH COG, UM, WITH WHAT WE PRESENTED THE OTHER DAY. 
          BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO, AGAIN, I WOULD, IF Y'ALL DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO THIS, TRYING TO FIND OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE MORE, UM, EXPEDIENT AND MAYBE, SO THAT'S KIND OF A, ALONG THE LINES OF A QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE FLOODPLAIN DRAINAGE MODELING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THIS PROPRIETARY TO PAPE DAWSON, OR ARE THERE OTHER, 'CAUSE IT'S A, A LOT OF MONEY AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS COMMISSIONER GOANA ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GONE UP, IT'S ALMOST DOUBLED FROM WHAT, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY BASE THAT ON? I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THIS GETS US, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE BID THIS OUT? SHOULD WE LOOK AT OTHER FIRMS AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT, AND THEN HAVE COMPETITIVE BIDS? YEAH. 
          I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WE SHOULD TALK TO OTHER FIRMS. AND I HAVE TALKED TO, UM, ONE OTHER FIRM, AND SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE DID AN RFQ FOR IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE RIGHT AVENUE. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST AN, AN ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. 
          ONE, THIS IS JUST A BUDGET PLACEHOLDER. 
          RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          UM, BUT, AND KNOW WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST THE SCOPE TOO FOR YEAH. 
          AND, AND NORMALLY THAT'S OKAY. 
          BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS BUDGET WITH THE COURT COMING ONLINE IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO FIND. 
          AND, AND JUDGE, I JUST WANNA SAY MY, MY, UH, UNCLE IS AN ENGINEER THAT DOES NOTHING BUT FLOODPLAIN IN HARRIS COUNTY, WHICH IS WHAT PAP DAWSON WAS COMING IN SAYING, WE DO ALL THIS HARRIS COUNTY STUFF, AND HE IS JUST, HE BASICALLY DOES LO MARS AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          HE'S AN EVIL DEVELOPER. 
          I TELL HIM THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, NO, I'M KIDDING. 
          DID YOU SAY EVIL, EVIL DEVELOPER? NO, I'M KIDDING. 
          IT'S, IT IS A JOKE FROM YESTERDAY. 
          UM, BUT NO, MY, MY, MY UNCLE WORKS FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY AND HE BUILDS ROADS ALL OVER HARRIS COUNTY. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND SO HE SAID THAT THERE'S ABOUT 15 ENGINEERING FIRMS IN HARRIS COUNTY THAT DOES THIS WORK JUST IN HARRIS COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THEY'RE NOT LIKE A SOLE PROPRIETOR TYPE SERVICE. 
          SO ANYWAYS, HIS SUGGESTION WAS THEY'RE GREAT, THEY DO A GOOD WORK. 
          HE SAID, BID IT OUT, BID IT OUT. 
          THAT WAS HIS SUGGESTION. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO ERICA'S SUGGESTION IS MM-HMM. 
          IS GO GET RF QS AND, AND PUT IT TOGETHER BECAUSE EVERY BIG ENGINEERING FIRM OUT THERE DOES WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO US. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND AS COMMISSIONER STACY WAS MENTIONING, IT'S NOT PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE, AND I BELIEVE THEY TOLD YOU THAT AS WELL WHEN THEY WERE HERE, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, IT'S NOT PROPRIETARY BECOMES OURS. 
          WELL, THEY SAID THERE'S A PROPRIETARY PART OF IT, AND IT MAY JUST BEEN HOW THEY EXTRAPOLATE THE, IT WAS THE ONE GUY THEY HAD THAT CAME UP TO AT THE LAST YEAH, I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION IT WAS, HE, HE, THAT WAS THE ONLY PROPRIETARY CARD. 
          WELL, THE SALESMAN SAID IT'S PROPRIETARY AND, UH, ENGINEERS SAID IT IS NOT PROPRIETARY. 
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WELL, PROPRIETARY COST A LOT MORE UHHUH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THEY REITERATED TO ME WHEN I MET WITH THEM SEPARATELY THAT THIS BECOMES OUR BABY. 
          THEY GIVE US, THEY GIVE US THIS MODEL, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TRAIN STAFF AS WELL, UH, AND HOW TO MANIPULATE IT. 
          SO, AND I DEFINITELY WANT, WANT THAT, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE KNOBS AND, AND DO THE CALCULATIONS OURSELVES. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S MOVE, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET OFF THAT, UH, AGAIN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT THE PROPOSAL TO DO ON THIS WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD DETERMINE THESE FLOODPLAIN CALCULATIONS THROUGH THIS SOFTWARE, WHETHER IT'S PROPRIETARY OR NOT, CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT WE WOULD THEN RELY UPON THAT IN MAKING OUR DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAINS WHERE THEY CAN BUILD, WHERE THEY CAN'T, THE IMPACT UPON WATER FLOWS, DRAINAGE, ET CETERA. 
          SAME COMMENT I MADE BEFORE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY BUILDS BASED UPON, UM, FEMA MAPS MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S ACCEPTED. 
          AND THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN FEMA. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE ACCURATE. 
          SO MORE UPDATE, WELL, NOT MORE UPDATED BECAUSE FEMA UPDATES WHEN FEMA UPDATES. 
          SO MY POINT IS, DANA BRINGS OUT THE POINT I'M GOING TO IS WHEN, WHEN WE ARE, IF, WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THINGS, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROPER LEGAL BASIS TO DO IT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, MY GUESS IS OUR REGULATIONS ALL READ BASED UPON FEMA. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND THE MONEY TO DO THIS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TOGETHER AND THAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE SHORED UP TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE. 
          AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING BASED UPON OUR CALCULATIONS UNLESS OUR REGULATIONS CAN SUPPORT THAT. 
          'CAUSE WHAT WE SURE DON'T WANNA DO IS SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY MM-HMM . 
          TO UPDATE EVERYTHING AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT ENFORCEABLE IN COURT. 
          AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          AND I, I DO, TO THAT POINT, I DO THINK THAT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WOULD NEED SOME, SOME TUNING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS AS BETTER DATA. 
          IT'S STILL NOT GONNA BE, UM, FEMA SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO SHOW THOSE AREAS OF, OF FLOODING A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODING OR WHATEVER THAT DESIGN STORM IS, BUT, UM, CORRECT. 
          NO, I GET THAT. 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR THIS, THAT IT'S ENFORCEABLE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, I, I THINK EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS TIED TO FEMA. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, CAN WE CHANGE THAT AND MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ENFORCEABLE? AND IF WE CAN, THEN IT'S A BIG PLUS TO DOING IT. 
          IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY WASTING MONEY. 
           HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT. 
          WELL, SO I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THAT COUNSELOR, BUT , BUT I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS TO IT BESIDES JUST, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET CALLS AT ROAD AND BRIDGE ABOUT DRAINAGE ISSUES AND STUFF, IT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO AND RUN THE MODEL AND SEE WHERE THESE IMPACTS ARE AND, AND TO HELP GUIDE US IN, YOU KNOW, UPSIZING CULVERTS OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD UNDERTAKE TO TRY TO IMPROVE SOME THINGS. 
          SO I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME BENEFITS TO IT BEYOND JUST THE, THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE, THE FEMA, UM, ASPECT. 
          I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT MY, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE, THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENTAL REGULATION WOULD BE THE BIGGEST REASON WE WOULD SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY TO DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SEE THIS ON THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT, THAT THE GIS BUDGET, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, THAT THEY'RE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AND ALL PUT ON ON ONE PAGE. 
          SO I'M JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT GETS SAID. 
          UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          THAT'S THE PLAN. 
          SO, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, LET, LET'S TALK ON MY SHEET. 
          I'VE GOT ROADWAY MAINTENANCE PLAN. 
          OH YES. 
          STUDYING CURRENT STREET CONDITIONS TO DETERMINE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, PCI, PRIMARY STRESSORS AND HELP PRIORITIZE MAINTENANCE 
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SCHEDULES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM I WANTED TO TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT. 
          IT'S A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT STUDY I WAS HOPING TO GET DONE. 
          AND IT LOOKS AT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF ALL OF YOUR STREETS, UM, THAT, THAT WE MAINTAIN AS A COUNTY. 
          UM, IT'LL BASICALLY GIVE AN INDEX NUMBER TO WHAT, WHAT CONDITION THOSE STREETS ARE IN. 
          UH, IT LOOKS AT THE STRESSORS, IT'LL LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE, UH, OUR PAVEMENT'S FAILING. 
          IT'S GONNA LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FAILURES AND WHAT'S CAUSING IT. 
          UH, AND THEN FROM THIS, I WANNA TRY TO DEVELOP A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BE SET OUT FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE WHERE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST ISSUES, WHERE THOSE NEED TO BE FIXED, YOU KNOW, ASAP, WHAT CAN HOLD OFF. 
          MAYBE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE PAVEMENT LIFE LEFT, UH, AND, AND WE CAN GET TO IT IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS OUT, BECAUSE WE STILL THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD LIFE LEFT ON A, ON A ROADWAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO START WITH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THAT ITEM'S ABOUT IS, IS THIS PAYING A FIRM TO DO AN INVENTORY FOR US? YES. 
          AND DO A, A STUDY, DOES THAT INVOLVE X-RAYS OR IS THAT JUST A, SO, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY BRING, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY BRING OUT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY BRING OUT VEHICLES, UM, THEY TAKE PICTURES, THEY STUDY THE, THE, THE FAILURES AND, AND THE PAVEMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING ANY SORT OF GEOTECH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT TYPE OF SOIL IT IS THAT'S, THAT'S CAUSING THE BASE FAILURE. 
          BUT, UM, AND SO THIS IS JUST COUNTY ROADS, IT'S JUST, AND I THINK WE'VE DETERMINED WE HAVE ABOUT 85 MILES OF, OF COUNTY ROADS. 
          IT'S, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU REPAIR THESE ROADS, IT'S GONNA BE REPAIRED OUTTA ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF WE'RE GONNA STUDY THESE ROADS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STUDY THESE ROADS WITHIN ROAD TO BRIDGE, NOT AS A CAPITAL IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S JUST MY TWO SAY. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          GREAT POINT. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN ROAD AND BRIDGE, SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA WELL OVER ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT THAT BUDGET COMING UP. 
          BUT I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT. 
          BUDGET'S COMING UP. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T TYPICALLY. 
          YES. 
          BUT WOULD THIS, WOULD THIS BE, UM, WOULD, WOULD YOU PUT THIS OUT FOR LIKE AN RFQ THEN FOR A FIRM? OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE WE PROBABLY, THIS PROBABLY IS A TYPE OF STUDY. 
          I, I, I LIKE THE, THIS IDEA, 'CAUSE I, I'D PROBABLY VENTURE TO SAY THIS HASN'T BEEN, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT ROAD AND BRIDGE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, BUT THIS PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN DONE IN YEARS INTO THIS KIND OF A, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE NEVER. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER DONE AN INVENTORY OF, OF THE ROADS. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          THEY'S GONNA TELL US THE OBVIOUS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON EVERY COUNTY ROAD PROBABLY THAT, THAT EVERY, EVERY ROAD IS PASSED ITS LIFECYCLE. 
          AND, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE, HEY, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS, REMEMBER THOSE COMMERCIALS? YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING, BUT, BUT, BUT WE, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE SEND US AN INVOICE. 
          , IF Y'ALL WOULD, IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE AN EXAMPLE, UM, CITY OF ROCKWALL ACTUALLY DID THIS, SO I COULD, I COULD SEND OUT THE LINK, UM, SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT, IF THAT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          YES. 
           WELL, AND THIS WILL, WON'T THIS REALLY HELP US PLAN AS WE GO FORWARD, WHAT, HOW MUCH WE GOTTA SPEND, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE GONE OUT WITH, WITH WAYNE AND WE'VE DRIVEN AROUND IN PRECINCT THREE AND FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S, I, I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I WENT OUT AND YOU SEE ALL THESE ISSUES, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, HERE'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING AND HERE'S THE REASONS. 
          AND WHEN CITIZENS CALL AND ASK, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY ROAD? WE CAN KIND OF HAVE PROJECTIONS AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I I'M REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US. 
          YEAH. 
          PRI PRIORITIZING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GOOD WORK. 
          AND YOU'RE VERY LIKELY, I KNOW YOU'RE HALF JOKING, BUT VERY LIKELY, PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE THAT EVERY ROAD NEEDS TO BE REDONE. 
          BUT THIS WILL HELP US PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES ARE FAILING NOW AND WHICH ONES ARE GONNA FAIL TOMORROW. 
          I AGREE. 
          WE NEED A COUNTY ROAD PLAN, AND THIS PROBABLY WOULD HELP US PUT THAT COUNTY ROAD PLAN TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF A THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND THEN WE COULD, UH, WE COULD, WE WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A $200,000 SWING IN THE DARK IN EVERY BUDGET. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, AND I ALSO WANT YOU, UH, TO, UH, REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF FATE, WHICH I CAN DO, THEY PUT, UH, MECHANISMS IN A LOT OF THEIR CITY VEHICLES THAT AS THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY TAKE DATA ON ALL THE CONCRETE IN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ALWAYS GRABBING DATA AND LOOKING. 
          YES. 
          UM, THAT'S AMAZING. 
          AND THEY'RE 
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ALWAYS LOOKING AT, FOR FAILURES, JUST IN THEIR EVERYDAY WORK. 
          AND, AND I WANT US TO, IF WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO THIS ROUTE, LET'S LOOK AT POTENTIALLY WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT THEY DO IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERAGE IN EVERY SINGLE TRUCK OR IF IT'S JUST CERTAIN TRUCKS, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT AND THAT THEY HAVE A GEOTECHNICAL CONTRACT WITH A, WITH A, WITH A, WITH THE GIS ENGINEERING FIRM. 
          AND THAT THEY GRAB THAT DATA AND THEY GIVE THE CITY A REPORT ON THE STATUS OF THE ROADS WITH THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE ON WHAT'S FAILING AND WHAT'S NOT. 
          AND THAT GETS PUT INTO THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR. 
          SO I'LL HAVE YOU REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN AT LEAST SEE WHAT DOES THAT COST LOOK LIKE AS WELL? RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE BAD TO HAVE, HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A GEOTECH FIRM THAT COULD SPEAK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE REALLY BAD PROBLEM AREAS, THEY COULD GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE A LONGER TERM FIX FOR, FOR A PARTICULAR SPOT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SORRY, WHAT ELSE? THERE'S ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO BACKTRACK TO THE 2D MODELING. 
          UM, SO I, MY, MY PLANS, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT, THAT 2D FLOOD PLAIN MODELING. 
          I KIND OF WANT TO USE THAT TOO AS A SPRINGBOARD FOR, FOR REQUESTING GRANT MONEY IN THE FUTURE FOR PROJECTS, UH, FROM THE STATE FLOOD PLAN. 
          UM, TRY TO GET SOME MORE OF THAT, THAT MONEY THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALLOCATED. 
          UM, AND THIS WILL HELP US TO PRIORITIZE WHAT PROJECTS, WHAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WE AS A COUNTY, UH, MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE, GRANT ASSISTANCE FOR, UM, IF, IF WE CAN GET A GOOD MODEL, UM, OF THE, OF THE COUNTY AND GET A GOOD GRASP ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD, UM, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, ALMOST FORCE US TO, TO, UH, GO IN WITH THE CITIES, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT HAPPENING IN A VACUUM. 
          ANY FLOOD ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF ROCKWALL GOES INTO THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY GOES, CAN WE SAY STRATEGIC PLAN? STRATEGIC PLAN, YES. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT FOR YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          SEE, HOW DO WE, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S JUST ON MY MIND. 
          GOTTA GET IT OUT. 
          HOW DO WE CURRENTLY ENSURE THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR ALL THE POSSIBLE AVAILABLE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY? WE DO NOT. 
          I KNOW WE DO NOT. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          SO, SO HOW CAN WE, UH, ONE, ONE THING I'M GOING TO DO AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP EARLY, UH, UM, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, I'M GOING TO PUT IN THE FIRST, UH, DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A GRANT WRITER FOR THE COUNTY. 
          WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND HAVE BEEN YET ABLE TO VERIFY IS THAT POSITION CAN FUND ITSELF. 
          THAT THEY CAN TAKE A PORTION OF THE GRANTS THEY RECEIVE. 
          AND I'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE TELL ME, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GOT US A MILLION DOLLARS OR $2 MILLION AND DIDN'T COST US A PENNY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE, WE, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CAUTION IS THEY GIVE YOU GRANTS TO LEAD YOU DOWN A PATH. 
          WE, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION. 
          DO WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH THEY'RE LEADING US TO, BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM, THEY'LL FUND US FOR A YEAR. 
          UH, THE, THE, UM, UH, FAMILY VIOLENCE, UM, PROSECUTORS ARE THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PAY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND THEN, THEN YOU, THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS DIVISION THAT YOU HAVE TO FUND, WHICH IS FINE. 
          IT, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR START IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH ANYWAY. 
          SO, UH, MY FIRST DRAFT WILL, WE'LL HAVE THAT POSITION WITH NO, NO MONEY IN, IN HOPES THAT IT IS TRUE WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. 
          AND WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO, TO GET WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE ELECTEDS AND, AND GO, GO GET THE MONEY, MAN. 
          GO GET THE MONEY. 
          I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          UM, MY, ACTUALLY, MY DAUGHTER DOES THIS FOR A COUNTY IN NORTH DAKOTA. 
          IT'S REALLY SPECIALIZED WORK. 
          IT'S A SPECIAL LANGUAGE. 
          THEY SPEAK A WHOLE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. 
          IT IS, BUT MAN, BUT THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE AND, UH, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CAN TAP IT, LET'S DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE, AND, AND ERICA IS, IS CORRECT. 
          THE STATE HAS FUNNELED MONEY TO WATER, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR SOLUTION IS THROW MONEY AND WATER APPEARS. 
          SO, UM, IT THERE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO GO IN WITH OUR CITIES AND, AND ACTUALLY WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN, HOPEFULLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GRA GRANT OPPORTUNITIES I'LL BE ASKING Y'ALL ABOUT SOON, UM, TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A COUPLE THINGS. 
          NOW ARE, AND AT LEAST GETTING ON THOSE LIST, ARE, ARE THOSE GRANTS CONTINGENT UPON US HAVING THE FLOODPLAIN MODELING, OR IS IT JUST GOOD? NO, GOOD TO HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND WITH A LOT OF THIS GRANT FUNDING THAT COMES WITH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UM, 
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IT'S GONNA, IT'S A LONG TERM PLAY. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN ACTION NEXT YEAR. 
          SO IT'S A, YOU'LL, YOU, YOU GET ON THE LIST NOW AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH ACTUALLY BECOMING PART OF THE STATE FLOOD PLAN. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S A PATIENT, UM, PLAY LONG-TERM PLAY. 
          SO, UM, BUT DEFINITELY WANNA GET ROCKWALL COUNTY, UM, ON THE MAP AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, WITH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, OUR DRAINAGE NEEDS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT ELSE? THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? NO, ERICA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME TO ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA STAY THERE AND WE ROLL RIGHT INTO ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          DO, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK? YEAH. 
          LET, LET'S TAKE A, A, A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          YEP. 
          TO EITHER GET RID OF, UH, SHE'S STRETCHING HER LEGS. 
          ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE. 
          WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. 
          WE JUST FINISHED UP WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, OVERARCHING ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. 
          NOW UNDERNEATH THAT IS RODENT BRIDGE, WHO'S HERE IN FRONT OF US TODAY, MR. WAYNE AND SHELLY SPEARMAN, EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR. 
          WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TAKE IT AWAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL KICK IT OFF FOR US. 
          UM, SO I THINK EVERYBODY HAS EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF 'EM. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY ADJUSTMENTS IN THE SALARIES, PER SE, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, IN THE CORRESPONDING DETAILS, WE DID ASK TO LOOK AT AN INCREASED PAY RATE, SOME SORT OF CHANGE IN PAY RATE. 
          UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS WE'VE HAD AN OPEN POSITION IN THE, IS IT OPERATOR? A, THAT'S THE MORE SKILLED LEVEL OPERATOR. 
          BBB. 
          THAT'S A MORE SKILLED LEVEL. 
          WE'VE HAD IT OPEN FOR A YEAR. 
          WE'VE HAD NO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS. 
          THE LAST APPLICANT, WELL, WE HAD TWO NEVER SHOW UP. 
          AND ONE, WHEN I CALLED FOR A REFERENCE, HE WAS FIRED FROM CITY OF GARLAND BECAUSE HE SUCKER PUNCHED HIS COWORKER. 
          AND I DECIDED THAT WAS NOT THE ENVIRONMENT WE NEEDED HERE. 
          ARE WE SURE IT WAS A SUCKER PUNCH OR WAS IT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST MAKING SURE. 
          SUCKER PUNCH IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          THEY WERE JOKING AROUND, JOKING AROUND SPARRING VERBALLY, AND HE GOT HIS FEELINGS HURT AND JUST WALLED OFF AND PUNCHED HIS COWORKER IN. 
          SO, UM, SO THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH WAYNE. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO TOTALLY RE REWRITE THAT JOB DESCRIPTION TO MAKE IT MORE OBVIOUS OUR NEEDS. 
          UM, WAYNE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY THAT HAS OPERATOR EXPERIENCE GOING ON 10 YEARS, BECAUSE WE NEED SPECIALIZED SKILLED LABOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO I DID A FEW CHECKING AROUND. 
          UM, AND ONE THING IS I CONSULTED WITH NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, WHICH DOES ROUGHLY THE SAME THINGS WE DO IN SOME AREAS. 
          AND THEIR HOURLY RATE IS 20, IT WAS MORE THAN 24. 
          I WROTE IT DOWN SOMEWHERE. 
          UM, IT WAS 24 TO 35 67. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE OFFERING A JO A JOB AT LESS THAN $20 AN HOUR. 
          IF WE GO TO THE HIGH END, WE'RE STILL ONLY AT $22 AN HOUR, WHICH EQUATES TO 46,000 A YEAR. 
          WHICH IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SKILLED EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, THERE'S GONNA BE THE EXPECTATION THAT HE MAKES ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT A FAMILY AND 46,000 ANYMORE. 
          LITERALLY, YOU CAN'T EVEN SUPPORT YOURSELF. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT POSITION REVISITED. 
          I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN A AND A B OPEN RIGHT NOW, SO WE COULD EVEN PULL MONEY FROM WHAT'S ALREADY OPEN, UM, TO USE THIS. 
          BUT WE, WHEN WE DISCUSS THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED REGARDING THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE MONEY, WE NEED TO IMPROVE MORE ROADS, WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPER LABOR, NONE OF THAT MATTERS. 
          WE CANNOT BE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE. 
          SO WE'VE REALLY GOT TO WORK REALLY HARD THIS YEAR TO RE-UP THIS POSITION PRICE TO GET SOMEONE IN THAT CAN EFFECTIVELY MAKE OUR JOB MORE EFFICIENT. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WAYNE'S JUGGLING THE HIGH POWER OPERATOR JOB, PLUS HIS JOB IN AS ROAD AND BRIDGE ADMINISTRATOR. 
          AND WE JUST REALLY NEED TO, SO LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU REAL QUICK. 
          SO I'VE GOT THE PERSONNEL REQUEST FORM IN FRONT OF ME FOR EQUIPMENT OPERATOR B, AND THE REQUEST FOR IS 41 4 5 4. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? UM, AGAIN, 
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I, ERICA AND I HAVEN'T FINISHED A CONVERSATION WITH THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF ERICA HAS DONE MORE RESEARCH. 
          SO AS, AS THE CONVERSATION ON, ON MONDAY WITH CAMMY, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS WHERE PROBABLY NEED TO DO A COMPENSATION STUDY. 
          UM, DEFINITELY THE CONVERSATION PROBABLY NEEDS TO CONTINUE OFFLINE WITH HR ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR POSITION. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF IT. 
          UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASK IS EXACTLY, BUT JUST WE, WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE COMPETITIVE AT THE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR BE THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING OFF IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A QUALIFIED AND APPLICANT. 
          UM, SO I JUST, YOU SAID IT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO REFER BACK TO ERICA WHEN WE ACTUALLY KIND OF GET THIS FULL BUDGET TOGETHER. 
          ARE YOU SAYING IT WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF MONEY TO POTENTIALLY GET RID OF AN A TO PAY BS MORE? BECAUSE YOU SAID MAYBE WE GET RID OF AN A OR KEEP ONE OF THESE JOBS OPENING. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO COMPLETELY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THERE IS MONEY IN THE POT THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, BE A DISCUSSION, IS IF WE COULD GET ONE REALLY GOOD HIGH PAID PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A MEDIUM AND A LOW PAID PERSON, THEN THAT WOULD, BECAUSE THE MONEY, THE POSITION'S ALREADY THERE, THAT WOULD YES, I'M, YOU DID HEAR ME CORRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST THAT, YEAH. 
          WOULD, SO, SO WHAT WHAT I'M HOPING HAPPENS AND NOT NECESSARILY TODAY IS THAT WE TAKE A REAL DEEP DIVE MM-HMM . 
          DOWN THAT PATH MM-HMM . 
          AND SO, SO I'M GONNA LEAN ON, ON ERICA AND YOU AND WAYNE TO, TO KIND OF GIVE US A REEVALUATION AND KIND OF A, A RESET ON HOW DO WE GET MORE EFFICIENCY AND MORE PRODUCTIVITY OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT BY POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THAT, WHICH COULD BE ELIMINATING OPEN POSITIONS, PAYING MORE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          I'M, I'M UP TO FOR THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO FULLY HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING STARTED EARLY ON THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NEXT, UM, MOST THINGS WE DID LEAVE, UM, BASICALLY THE SAME, INCLUDING ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AT 700,000. 
          AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL RECEIVED WHERE WAYNE HAS FIGURED IT OUT TO, IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING WE WANTED NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD BE JUST OVER 700,000. 
          UM, I KNOW HE BUILDS A LITTLE SPACE INTO THAT. 
          SO SEVEN SHOULD ACTUALLY, HOPEFULLY COVER US. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHERE YOU GUYS SAW THE BIG JUMP IS WHERE WE DOUBLED, UM, THE CONTRACT SERVICES. 
          UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE UTILIZED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR CONTRACT SERVICES THIS YEAR, REDOING EAGLE PASS, AND IT WAS A NECESSITY. 
          UM, AND WE DID GET THAT DONE. 
          HOWEVER, TO SAVE MONEY, WE DID DEMO AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. 
          WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT TOOK OUR MEN AWAY FROM DOING THE ROAD PAVEMENTS WE NEEDED TO BE DOING. 
          AND SO NOW THERE'S EVEN A QUESTION OF WILL WE GET DONE WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE BY THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE BUSY OVER THERE. 
          AND SO THE IDEA IS IF WE CAN IMPROVE OUR CONTRACT SERVICES, MEANING WHEN WE HIRE IN A CONCRETE CONTRACTOR, THEY DO THE WHOLE JOB, NOT JUST HALF OF IT, THEN WE ARE ABLE TO BE DOING THE JOBS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY FOR THE REST OF OUR RESIDENTS, NOT ON CONCRETE ROADS. 
          I, IS THERE A LIST OF PROPOSED PROJECTS FOR THAT 700? I'M NOT SEEING IT IN THE PACKET, OR AM I JUST MISSING IT? YEAH, YOURS IS ORCHARD LANE AND CORNELIUS ROAD. 
          UM, YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ISSUES ON OTHER ROADS BESIDES THAT TOO. 
          I MEAN, THE STUFF I SENT YOU ON ADE AND OLD MILLWOOD, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THOSE ROADS TOO. 
          OH, MILLWOODS GREAT. 
          WHATCHA TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. 
          HAVE YOU DRIVEN DOWN ROAD? I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M TOTALLY JOKING. 
          IF, IF YOU DRIVE TWO INCHES OFF THE ROAD, YOU'LL BE DEAD . 
          SO DON'T DO THAT. 
          IT IT, IT IS. 
          ESPECIALLY AT THAT STOP SIGN. 
          YES. 
          UH, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A CAR. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A FULL GOOD LIST OF PROJECTS, EVEN IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT IS ON HERE. 
          SO, SO I, I HAVE, I DON'T SEE MY TWO THAT I KNOW WE NEED. 
          SO, SO AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WE CAN HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER. 
          SO WE CANNOT COMMIT TO JOBS WE CAN'T DO IN A BUDGET YEAR. 
          UM, I'LL LET WAYNE SPEAK TO WHY MAYBE HE'S GOT SOMETHING UP ON THE LIST THAT IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO SUBGRADE. 
          WELL, WELL, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE I WANT US TO ASK OURSELVES THE QUESTION. 
          IS IT BETTER TO LOOK AT DEVELOPING A PLAN AND THEN EXECUTING A PLAN OR JUST TO CONTINUE GOING 
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ON HOW WE'RE GOING ON? AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A REAL PRIME EXAMPLE. 
          UH, I MEAN, THE THREE ROADS THAT ARE IN MY PRECINCT, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M ALL FOR EVERY ROAD IN MY PRECINCT GETTING REDONE. 
          UM, AND THEN MUNSON ROAD EVERY OTHER YEAR, UM,  AS WAYNE PROBABLY KNOWS. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, AND I'M NOT SAYING I EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLOT THE COURSE, IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR US TO TAKE HALF A STEP BACK ON OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE PLAN TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO, HOW DO WE DO THIS MORE EFFICIENTLY? DO WE DO MORE CONTRACTING, UM, TO, INSTEAD OF JUST KEEP PAYING OUR GUYS TO DO IT? AND, AND HOW DO WE SPLIT THIS UP IN A WAY THAT THAT MAKES SENSE? AND, AND HOW DO WE GET, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY MORE, BUT HOW DO WE GET MORE FOR FOR, FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING? YEAH. 
          I, AND I'M, AND I'M WITH YOU. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS IS NOT TO, IN NO DISRESPECT, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A PLAN OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WANTED TO BE PRESENTED IS HERE ARE ALL THE, HERE'S THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE COUNTY. 
          HERE'S WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST FOR ALL OF IT. 
          IF, IF IT WAS WE WERE LIVING IN UTOPIA AND WE COULD DO ALL THE WORK THAT WE WANTED TO DO, WHAT IS THAT COST? THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SEE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE JUDGE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT. 
          AND HE MAY HAVE THAT, AND I JUST DON'T. 
          UM, AND THEN WE NEED TO DECIDE, NOT BASED ON MANPOWER, BUT BASED ON FUNDING, BECAUSE WE CAN CONTRACT SOME OF THIS WORKOUT. 
          WELL, I, I, FIRST OF ALL, YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          EVERYBODY IS OKAY. 
          AND WHEN I GOT THIS LIST, UH, AS, UH, SHELLY AND ERICA AND WAYNE CAN TELL YOU, I SENT 'EM A LIST OF FIVE ROADS AND SAID, WHAT ABOUT THESE? AND SEVERAL OF THEM WERE ROADS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXED THIS YEAR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE OBLIGATIONS THEY HAD WITH EAGLE PASS WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THE WORK THAT WASN'T CONTRACTED OUT, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THE CHIP SEAL AND BLACK TOPPING WORK THAT THEY HAD SCHEDULED IN, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING PROBLEM. 
          AND WHICH MAKES ME 1, 2, 2 COMMENTS HERE REAL QUICK, BOBBY. 
          ONE IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LET'S ELIMINATE A POSITION, I THINK, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THIS YEAR, SO LET'S NOT BE TOO QUICK TO ELIMINATE A POSITION AND UPGRADE. 
          THE OTHER SECOND THING IS THE, THE LIST AND REPORT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH I AGREE WE NEED, AS I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GONNA GET US, RIGHT, ERICA, WITH THE $200,000 YOU SAID, TO DO A STUDY OF COUNTY RIDE WIDE ROAD. 
          SO WHERE THE POSITION WE MAY BE IN IS THIS YEAR, LET'S PLAN TO KEEP DOING THE BEST WE CAN THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. 
          AND THEN AS PART OF THIS BUDGET, LET'S DO THIS, UH, BIG STUDY AND LET'S PRIORITIZE ROADS SO THAT NEXT YEAR WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AND, AND DO, DO BETTER, BETTER PLANNING. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          LISA, CAN WE BORROW MONEY OUT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND JUST OUT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND? THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY IN IT ISN'T? NO. 
          NO. 
          CAN NO, NO. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS CAN WE BORROW MONEY? CAN WE DO A BOND OUT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND SUPPORTED BY THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND? IS THAT LEGAL? WELL, THAT WOULD BE A LAWYER QUESTION. 
          THE BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE IT IS THE POINT. 
          NO, I MEAN, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND HAS OWN BOND COUNCIL WOULDN'T, YEAH. 
          THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND HAS ITS OWN TAX RATE. 
          SO, AND WE CAN'T REALLY ADJUST THAT TAX RATE. 
          IT WAS DONE BY AN ELECTION. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I'M JUST, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS, I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION WE HAVE TO AT LEAST CONSIDER. 
          NOT NECESSARILY THIS YEAR, NOT NOW, BUT HOW DO WE GET MORE ROADS BUILT IN THIS COUNTY? ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO THAT IS BORROW MONEY AND GET ROADS DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          UH, WITH JUST WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FROM NOW, UH, TO HAVE A LIST OF THE ROADS. 
          I MEAN, SOME OF THESE ARE SO OBVIOUSLY IN NEED OF REPAIR THAT IF YOU JUST DROVE DOWN 'EM, YOU WOULD SEE LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE DOING SERIOUSLY? ADE AND OLD MILLWOOD JUST GO TAKE A DRIVE. 
          UM, CAREFULLY, CAREFULLY. 
          BUT JUST IN MY DEAL, AND I'M SURE, AND LAUREN HAS A BUNCH, OKAY, BUT SOME OF THESE ARE SO OBVIOUS WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR A STUDY, Y'ALL OKAY? I DON'T SEE PRECINCT TWO. 
          WE, WE NEED THE, WE NEED PRICES ON ALL OF IT. 
          NOW, JUST AN ESTIMATE FROM YOU, WAYNE. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT THIS. 
          'CAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU ALWAYS BUILD IN A LITTLE CUSHION, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, JUST SOME KIND OF ESTIMATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT BEFORE WE DO THIS STUDY AND THE STUDY TELLS US THINGS, WE CAN DO THAT NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO THAT NOW. 
          DID YOU WANNA COVER THE ROADS? HE JUST TOLD, MAN, YOU'RE, YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
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AND AGAIN, IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I DID, I SENT A LIST WHEN I SAW THIS, I SAID, WAIT, WHAT ABOUT THESE FIVE? AND IT WAS, WELL, I THINK THREE OR FOUR OF 'EM WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE THIS YEAR, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME OR MONEY TO DO IT OR PEOPLE PERSONNEL. 
          WELL, NOT YET. 
          WE'RE NOT DONE. 
          WE HAPPENS. 
          WE'RE NOT DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE THROUGH SEPTEMBER  WE'RE NOT DONE. 
          BUT, BUT YOU ALSO TOLD ME WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THAT WHEN IT IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER IS A BAD TIME TO DO THESE CHIP SEAL ROADS IN REPAIRS. 
          SO I I I, I AM I'VE TOLD YOU GUYS THIS FROM THE DAY I TOOK OFFICE, I WANNA SUPPORT YOU. 
          WE WANNA FIX ROADS. 
          IT IS A PRIORITY IN MY MIND. 
          SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID HERE AND, AND IF A BOND BOND IS A WAY TO DO IT. 
          BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS THING, I'VE GOT FOUR COUNTY ROADS ON THE $150 MILLION BOND THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AT THE NEXT, UH, ROAD CONSORTIUM THAT WERE SAID WE WERE GONNA FIX WITH COUNTY FUNDS. 
          AND WELL, WELL, YOU CAN, IT'S IN THE BOND FUND. 
          PEOPLE VOTED ON IT, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT GETTING DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS MY POINT. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ENOUGH. 
           , THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CONVERSATION. 
          YEAH. 
          WAY OFF. 
          UM, SO, UM, I I, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR US IS, IS, IS WE'RE IN A BUDGET WORKSHOP, UM MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE LIMITING FACTOR IS LABOR AT THIS POINT. 
          WE CAN BUY ALL THE MATERIAL. 
          WE BUY $5 MILLION WORTH OF MATERIAL. 
          WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE LABOR TO GO OUT EVERY DAY AND AND, AND DO THE ROAD. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S ONLY EIGHT OF US. 
          NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M HAPPY, UH, TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT SERVICES. 
          I MEAN, THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD, WOULD GET US THE, THE ABILITY TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FRUSTRATION UP HERE, UH, I IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRULY, UH, NOT, NOT IN CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY. 
          WE ALL WANT TO DO ROADS AND, UH, WE'RE ALL WAITING ON SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE ROADS AND SOMEONE TO REPAIR THE ROADS, AND OKAY, WE ARE GONNA REPAIR THE ROAD. 
          WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS ROAD? UH, SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT IS A ROLLING, TUMBLING, UH, UH, CHAOTIC SYSTEM RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF AND GET A, GET A PLAN GOING FORWARD. 
          WELL, AND I, AND, AND I WILL SAY TO COMMISSIONER ALANA'S POINT TOO, I MEAN, WE CAN, I CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT'S KIND OF AN EMERGENCY TRIAGE LIST. 
          I'VE DRIVEN A LOT OF THE ROADS AND MAINLY IN PRECINCT THREE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, BUT, BUT HE HAS BROUGHT UP, UM, SEVERAL OF THESE ROADS TO ME THAT, THAT HE DIDN'T SEE ON THE LIST. 
          AND SO I'VE, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THEM AND WE CAN, WE CAN TALK MORE AND, UM, PUT TOGETHER A TRIAGE LIST OF, OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO BE OUTSOURCED IF WE JUST CAN'T, CAN'T DO IT. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DO HOPE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET A MAINTENANCE PLAN DONE. 
          SOMETHING THAT THAT'S MORE OF A, A ROADMAP ON, ON HOW TO GET OUR ROADS, UM, UP TO, UP TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          UH, AND NOT JUST BAND-AIDS TOO, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIX THAT SQUEAKY WHEEL. 
          SO, UM, IN SOME CASES YOU MAY NEED FULL, YOU KNOW, RE REHABS OF, OF ROADS, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE TIME AND RESOURCES TO JUST FIX BANDAID A PROBLEM. 
          SO, UM, AND KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE, MY FRUSTRATION IS NOT WITH WAYNE, YOUR CREW OR ANYTHING, IT'S THE FRUSTRATION IS THE LACK OF RESOURCES. 
          I MEAN, $700,000 IN A CREW OF EIGHT MEN GETS YOU EIGHT ROADS. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN EIGHT ROADS THAT NEED REPAIR. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE, WE HAVE TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GOING BECAUSE THIS COUNTY IS EXPLODING WITH GROWTH, AND WE'RE WEARING OUT ROADS THAT WEREN'T BEING DRIVEN ON BEFORE. 
          AND, AND WE, WE CAN'T COORDINATE WITH EVERY CITY AND SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THEN IT'S GONNA CREATE MORE ISSUES ON THIS COUNTY ROAD. 
          THEN WE'VE GOT ROADS IN COMMISSIONER ALANA, AND, AND I MEAN, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AGGREGATELY, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH TXDOT, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GO COMPLAIN TO THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOUR POPULATION GROUP'S CUTE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN OTHER PARTS. 
          I MEAN, OLD MILLWOOD ROAD COMPARED TO THE ROADS IN PRECINCT THREE, IT'S NO COMPARISON AS FAR AS WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE, WHO DRIVES ON 'EM. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT INTO CONSIDERATION THAN JUST WHERE ARE THE BANDAIDS? AND, AND THE ONLY I THINK THING IS, IS WE HAVE TO GRAB THE BULL BY THE HORN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UP, UP TO THIS POINT IN OFFICE, IT'S BEEN, WAYNE, GO REPAIR THE ROADS. 
          YOU CAN, LET'S TALK 
          [01:25:01]
ABOUT THIS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THIS COURT HAS A REAL DESIRE TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN. 
          SO I JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA SAY, I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS AS WE WANT TO COME ALONGSIDE YOU. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO ATTACK THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT AND SAY, YOU AREN'T DOING ENOUGH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE ENOUGH'S NOT GETTING DONE, AND WE HAVE TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AS A COURT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET US OVER THAT HEEL. 
          I JUST WANT TO, TO, SO TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT PART. 
          MOVING ON, MOVING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE THING, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EGG ON MY FACE HERE. 
          UM, LAST YEAR, Y'ALL, UM, DID APPROVE US A $1,558 SOFTWARE AGREEMENT. 
          I DID NEGLECT TO PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET AS AN ANNUAL EXPENSE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE ROAD MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE WE'RE USING, AND I WON'T LIE, THIS IS WHERE IT'D BE GREAT FOR POSSIBLY A LITTLE OF HER PART-TIME POSITION TO HELP ME TOO, IS I'M A LITTLE BEHIND ON GETTING THIS SOFTWARE FULLY OPERATIONAL BECAUSE OF MY OWN PERSONAL TIME CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, SO I COULD UTILIZE THE PERSON SHE SPOKE OF. 
          BUT IT IS A 1500, UH, ANNUAL EXPENSE FOR US. 
          AND THIS IS ONCE WE GET IT FULLY OPERATIONAL, IT, ANY TIME Y'ALL CAN ASK A QUESTION AND WE CAN SPIT REPORTS OUT TO YOU SO WE CAN BE BETTER ON TOP OF GIVING YOU, UM, IDEAS OF WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE, HEY, WE DIDN'T DO MUCH, YOU JUST KIND OF HALFWAY PATCHED A ROAD. 
          WELL, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN $90,000. 
          AND SO THEN THAT DOES HELP YOU GUYS BE ARMED WITH MORE INFORMATION ALSO. 
          UM, SO TELL, TELL ME WHAT LINE ITEM YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, HONESTLY, THIS MAY BE A LISA QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A NEW ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE CREATED OR IF IT CAN BE, UM, BUNCHED IN WITH, I I THINK THIS YEAR WE TOOK IT OUTTA CONTRACT SERVICES, WHICH FOR US CONTRACT SERVICES WAS THE CONCRETE WORK. 
          BUT UM, IT JUST, WE JUST SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT SHOULD BE CODED AS SOFTWARE MAYBE? YES. 
          IT WOULD BE A LINE THAT WE WOULD ADD, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND IT'S A MINOR, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON, YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO $1,558. 
          SO COMPARATIVELY IT'S MINOR . 
          OKAY. 
          LEMME KNOW WHEN WE'RE READY FOR A GENERAL, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          UM, WE CAN EITHER TAKE IT NOW OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          LET'S GO TO CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          LET'S DO, LET'S DO CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          OKAY, WAYNE, I'M GONNA TURN THIS TO YOU. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          ARE THEY READY? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT BUYING A, UH, ARTICULATED LOADER, WHICH I'LL BE TRADING IN A FOUR 50 F TWO, 2015 BACKHOE. 
          UM, TOLD WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THIS BACKHOE, IT CAME OUT WITH A EXTRA, EXTRA PLY TIRE ON THE BACK. 
          YOU CAN'T GET IT NO MORE . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAD TO GO WITH A THINNER PLY TIRE. 
          THE MACHINE WILL RUN 20 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE ROAD, BUT YOU CAN'T GET OVER THREE TO FIVE NOW, OR YOU WILL BLOW THE TIRES OUT, . 
          SO THE MACHINE IS USELESS. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT FROM POINT A TO POINT B, YOU HAVE TO LOAD IT UP ON THE HAUL TRAILER AND, AND MOVE IT. 
          SO ALL WE'RE USING IT FOR AND HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR, FOR THREE YEARS NOW IS A YARD TRACTOR TO LOAD TRUCKS. 
          WELL, THE NEXT PROBLEM WITH THIS IS IT'S A, A BACKHOE. 
          YOU HAVE TO PUT THE NOSE OF THE MACHINE THAT CLOSE TO A DUMP TRUCK TO GET OVER IN IT AND LOAD IT. 
          WELL, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA DAMAGE BOTH OF THEM. 
          YES. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANNA BUY THIS ARTICULATED LOADER. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE A THREE YARD BUCKET ON IT. 
          YOU GET THREE SCOOPS AND THEY'RE BACKING THE TRUCK AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. 
          AND THE NEXT THING IS WITH THIS MACHINE, THEY CANNOT TEAR UP THE TRACTOR. 
          THEY CANNOT, WHAT DID I SAY? THEY CANNOT TEAR UP, BUT LET'S HOPE THEY DON'T. 
          BUT THE TIRES ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY HIT THE TRUCK BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, SO IT'S GONNA BE RUBBER TO METAL. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND WHAT KIND OF TIRES DOES THIS HAVE ON IT? IT'S, UM, THEY'RE ALL TRAINED TIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT JUST BAFFLES ME, ME, THAT WE BOUGHT, BOUGHT A, A PIECE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, THAT'S NOW, 
          [01:30:01]
THAT CAN'T GET TIRES FOR. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, UH, I MEAN, I, I WENT THROUGH CAT, I WENT THROUGH SOUTHERN TIRE MART. 
          UH, DID WE BUY THAT FROM TYLER? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S THAT? THE TIRES, BECAUSE THAT'S  GETTING RID OF. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT THEY PURSUED. 
          IT WAS DEFINITELY A SOFTWARE COMPANY OF SOME SORT THAT CREATED A BACKHOE INTO OBOLE OBSOLESCENCE. 
          THATS IT. 
          WE CAN'T USE THIS ANYMORE. 
          WE, WE DON'T GIVE YOU THOSE TIRES ANYMORE. 
          I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS THE BIGGEST BACKHOE THAT'S MADE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THIS WILL PRIMARILY BE USED AROUND THE YARD, BUT ALSO OFFSITE AND, AND, AND ANYTIME IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU DRIVE IT OFFSITE, IS THAT YES, YES. 
          THIS MACHINE IS ARTICULATED, LOADER WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM TO ROAD IT. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ANY WORK. 
          HOW FAR DO YOU DRIVE IT OFFSITE? JUST, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND A GUY ON A WE CAN YOU GO TO OLD MILLWOOD ROAD FROM OH YEAH. 
          WOW, OKAY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          FROM THE YARD. 
          REALLY? YEAH. 
          IT'LL RUN 30 MILES AN HOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE YOU UM, IT'S GOT THE FLOTATION ON THE BUCKET. 
          SO YOU FLIP A SWITCH, THE BUCKETS SITTING THERE JUST FLOATING. 
          YEP. 
          SO THE MACHINES JUST AS LEVEL AS CAN BE. 
          IT AIN'T SITTING THERE DOING ALL THIS. 
          WHAT'S A LIFETIME OF THESE THINGS TYPICALLY? HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE CAN RUN IT  THIS MACHINE HERE? BEST GUESS, HONESTLY, IF, IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY INTO CONSTRUCTION REAL WORLD, IT WOULD GO AS FAR AS 10,000 TO 12,000 HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL. 
          AND OKAY. 
          AND, AND IF WE LOOKED AT LEASING AT ALL, ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY NEED IT NOW, UM, IS THERE A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR A YEAR THAT WE MIGHT DO AND, AND THEN DELAY THIS CAPITAL OUTLAY UNTIL NEXT YEAR? I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT OPTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE ON THE TABLE BECAUSE OF THE NEW COURT COMING AND WE MIGHT RUN UP AGAINST THE BIG OBSTACLE ON SOME BIG PURCHASES LIKE THIS. 
          WE'VE DONE THE LEASING PROGRAMS IN THE PAST, UM, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T PAY OUT. 
          NO, IT DIDN'T, IT JUST DIDN'T PAY OUT. 
          SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR, UH, ON OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND, UM, THERE'S, UM, ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND HAS TO BE SPENT ON ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          UM, AND, AND IF IT'S NOT SPENT ON ROAD AND BRIDGE, IT CANNOT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YES. 
          SO THI THIS IS KIND OF SEQUESTERED OF NOW IT'S HIS OWN BUDGET AND WE GET TO DECIDE ARE WE DOING IT, ARE WE NOT DOING IT? DOES THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND HAVE ENOUGH TO DO IT? AND I AM REALLY INTERESTED TO GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, CAN THAT REPAY ROAD BONDS? UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I THINK ROAD BONDS PAID PAY DISCS, YOU MEAN? NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT COMMISSIONER ALANA, WHAT I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE $400,000 OF CAPITAL IN MY BRAIN IS TO ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          ONE OF IT'S A STUDY AND ONE OF IT'S A MACHINE. 
          HOW DO WE GET BOTH? I I MEAN, THERE, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A WAY TO GET BOTH IF WE, IF WE, IF WE THOUGHT ABOUT COULD WE GET A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT. 
          GET THE STUDY DONE, HAVE THE EQUIPMENT ROLLING. 
          I, I MEAN, I THINK YOUR LOGIC IS SOLID. 
          WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, AND I, AND I WANNA PUT THAT ON ERICA TO THINK ABOUT COULD WE, IS THERE A A WAY WE COULD POSITION OURSELVES TO GET BOTH? BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE $400,000 I KNOW OF CAPITAL OUTLAY THAT WE CAN PUT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          IT'S NOT THERE. 
          IT, IT, IT'S NOT THERE. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST SAY WE NEED TO ADD, WE'VE INCREASED THE CONTRACT SERVICES BY 200,000 AS WELL TO BRING THAT TO A TOTAL OF 400,000. 
          SO A ADD ADD THAT TO THE, TO THE THOUGHT CALCULATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I MEAN, ANYTHING IN ROAD AND BRIDGE THAT WE CAN USE TO BUILD ROADS, I MEAN, CORRECT, CORRECT. 
          I DON'T, I WOULD RATHER DO THAT THAN HAVE THIS GIANT CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          I I WANT THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE I TRUST WHAT WAYNE IS SAYING, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          BUT IF WE CAN GET DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT WITH A LEASE IN THAT CAPITAL OUTLAY, UH, WE CAN THEN DO THE STUDY AND WE CAN BUILD MORE ROADS BECAUSE WE'RE IN A SITUATION RIGHT NOW, EVERYONE, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING WE, UH, WE NEED TO BUILD ROADS WHERE ROADS AREN'T IN GREAT SHAPE. 
          WE WANT TO DO A STUDY. 
          WE NEED TO BUY A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. 
          SO WHAT, OUT OF ALL THOSE THINGS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REDUCE OUR CAPITAL OUTLAY IN THIS BUDGET? AND THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN MY MIND RIGHT NOW IS LOOK AT A LEASE, BECAUSE THAT INITIAL UPFRONT COST IS SO MUCH LOWER. 
          IT'S NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. 
          UH, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT CAN IT GET US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          SORRY, JUST, JUST WANTED TO NOTE TOO THAT THAT LARGE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A VALUE TO IT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRADING IT IN AS WELL. 
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SO I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD $70,000 THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US TO PUT TOWARDS THIS NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT. 
          I, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEN WE COULD SELL THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND PUT ALL THAT MONEY INTO OUR FUND. 
          WELL, I, I'M, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T LIKE LEASING, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          UM, BUT IF WE LEASING'S JUST A WAY OF FINANCING, SO MAYBE WE COULD MAKE THE PURCHASE AND JUST DO IT AS A PAYOUT ON LIKE A LEASE OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          YOU GET A ZERO, YOU KNOW, FULL PAYOUT LEASE. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING AS BORROWING MONEY. 
          IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF FINANCING IT. 
          THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, I'M LOOKING AT THE 2025 BUDGET AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH IT? AND I, I LIKE JOHN'S IDEA OF SAYING THAT MAYBE WE CAN, UH, AT SOME POINT LOOK AT DOING A ROAD BOND BASED ON ROAD AND BRIDGE. 
          UH, BUT EVEN LAST YEAR WE HAD, AND THIS IS BEFORE WE INCREASED CONTRACT SERVICES AND BOUGHT A NEW LOADER, WE HAD 2.619 OF TOTAL EXPENSES AND 2.442 OF TOTAL INCOME. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY FLOATING AROUND Y'ALL. 
          AND QUESTION FOR YOU, LISA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS ON, AND I WAS GONNA ASK IT, BUT ON THE ITEM WHERE IT SAYS OTHER FINANCING FROM FUND BALANCE $650,000 TO WHAT'S THAT? SO I HAVE TO BUDGET THE FUND BALANCE, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE IT, RIGHT? AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A DEFICIT BUDGET, UH, I I BALANCE IT OUT WITH YOUR FUND BALANCE. 
          UM, IT'S, SO THAT'S MONEY WE TOOK FROM FUND BALANCE. 
          THAT IS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND BALANCE. 
          I'M JUST THAT'S A TOTAL AMOUNT. 
          YES. 
          SO IS IT DOWN TO ZERO AFTER 2025? NO. 
          OR DOES IT GET REPLENISHED THROUGH THESE FEES AND EVERYTHING? I, AND I, I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HIS BUDGET IS DOING NOW. 
          YOU SHOW, SHOW THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FEE OF 1.1 MILLION, THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR FEES, THE 200,000 AUTO REGISTRATION, ALL THAT'S SHOWN IN THERE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THIS BIG HUGE GLOB OF MONEY FOR $650,000. 
          AND AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING OUT AND USING ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS THROUGH A BOND, UM, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF MONEY THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, NO, NO. 
          AND I, I MEAN, I, I MENTIONED THIS, UH, TO THE JUDGE LAST YEAR. 
          I WAS THAT THE ROAD, YOU'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA HAVE YOUR GENERAL FUND SUPPORTING YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, THERE'S, YOUR EXPENSES ARE BECOMING HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN. 
          UNLESS WE CAN RAISE 'EM SOMEHOW RAISE THOSE FEES. 
          QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT'D BE RAISING A TAX RATE. 
          WELL, I MEAN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE TAX RATE, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WHAT OR THESE OTHER FEES LIKE UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT I THINK UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION CODE GOVERNS ALL THIS. 
          I'VE GOT SOME NOTES TO OKAY. 
          TO DO SOME LOOKING AT AND FUND 20 STARTED THE BUDGET AT 6 86. 
          THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT IT STARTED THE BUDGET AT 6 86 AS THE FUND BALANCE. 
          THAT'S THE ROAD BRIDGE FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          6 86. 
          NOW'S THE TIME FOR ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, PLEASE, PLEASE LET, LET'S, NOW IT'S A GOOD TIME. 
          JUST A CLAR JUST A CLARIFY, UH, CLARIFICATION QUESTION, IF I CAN EVEN SAY THAT WORD TODAY. 
          UM, WE'RE 73% OF THE WAY THROUGH THE BUDGET, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THIS FORM YOU HANDED OUT TODAY. 
          BUT OUR SUBTOTAL PERSONNEL, PERSONNEL COSTS ARE AT 59. 
          UM, IS THERE, IS THERE, OR WE'RE GONNA END UP OVER, NO. 
          LIKE IS THERE MONEY? WHY ARE WE AT 59 ON THE SUBTOTAL WHEN IT SAYS WE'RE 73% OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR? THAT WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE OPEN POSITION. 
          SO I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE MONEY LEFT IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA FILL THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON SUBTOTAL OPERATING COSTS AT 31% SPENT 73% OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR. 
          SO THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER. 
          SO THOSE ARE, I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GONNA END UP WITH LEFT IN THIS BUDGET? I MEAN, I COULD KEEP GOING LIKE ALL THE WAY DOWN WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. 
          WE'RE AT 44%, 73% THROUGH THE YEAR OF THESE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, ARE WE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD BE DOING NOW BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON PACE TO SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY IN THIS BUDGET. 
          I I, I BELIEVE HE WILL BE DOING STUFF. 
          THEY ARE GONNA BE, ARE WE GOING, THE ROAD MATERIALS WILL BE SPENT, UH, HE'LL HAVE A LOT OF EXPENSES. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOT, THE HEAT IS WHEN THEY DO THE ROAD WORK THE MOST. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA CATCH UP ON ALL THIS AND BE AT CLOSER TO A HUNDRED. 
          WE JUST GOT STARTED, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T COUNT ON MORE THAN JUST MAINTAINING THAT 600,000 
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ROLLING OVER. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE NEED TO STATE WHAT IF WE DO HAVE SOME ROADS THAT HAVE TO, THAT WE YEAR IN MARCH FOR 25, UM, THAT WE DON'T GET TO, SHOULD WE STATE WHAT THOSE ARE TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FROM THIS YEAR ROLLOVER TO NEXT YEAR? IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY ROLL OVER ERICA, BUT WITH IT BE IN ITS OWN FUND, IT, IT'S, IT DOESN'T MOVE. 
          BUT, UM, WE'D HAVE TO RE-BUDGET FOR THEM AGAIN. 
          YES, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT. 
          WE'D HAVE TO ROLL OVER THE BUDGET EXPENSE TO THE NEXT YEAR. 
          IT, I THINK IT'S HARD. 
          IT'S KIND OF A MOVING TARGET. 
          IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO. 
          BUT UM, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA, YOU KNOW, AS THE BUDGET GETS CLOSER BEING FIRMED UP, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ASKING TO ROLL OVER TO NEXT YEAR. 
          AND ERIC, I JUST WANT YOU, UH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S ON PAGE 69 AND 70 OF THE CURRENT FY BUDGET. 
          UM, AND FY 24, THE BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT WAS ALMOST 2.7 MILLION. 
          EXPENDITURES WERE 1.9 MILLION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT COMMISSIONER ALANA IS SEEING WHEN HE'S LOOKING AT THE BUDGET. 
          NOT THAT THERE ISN'T AN EXPLANATION FOR IT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU SAY, WE BUDGETED 2.6, WE SPENT 1.9, WHAT DID WE DO WITH $700,000? AND CAN WE DO MORE WITH IT? CAN WE CONTRACT MORE? CAN WE PUT THAT MONEY TO WORK, DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE FUNDS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          AGAIN, IT'S NOT SAYING OUR GUYS AREN'T OUT THERE WORKING. 
          WE KNOW THEY ARE, THEY'RE DOING ALL THAT THEY CAN DO. 
          BUT CAN WE GET THE FUND TO DO MORE STUFF? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          SORRY, UH, LISA, QUESTION AGAIN. 
          SO TO THEIR QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MONEY? LIKE IF THERE'S A, THAT THAT $700,000 DELTA, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? SO ORDINARILY WHEN WE DO ROAD AND BRIDGE, WE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR PROJECTS THAT WAYNE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE EAGLE PASS, THE, THE CONTRACT SERVICE MONEY. 
          AND, AND THEN USUALLY THERE'S ONE BIG TICKET ITEM THAT HE BUYS A YEAR. 
          AND ROAD MATERIALS WE BID OUT, WE KIND OF GET, CAN ESTIMATE ONCE WE GET THOSE BIDS BACK IN AUGUST, THAT WHETHER WE'VE PUT ASIDE ENOUGH MONEY, IF HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THE WORK AND THAT MONEY DOESN'T GET UTILIZED, THEN THE SAME BUDGETS JUST DUPLICATED AGAIN IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN A A IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS  ON HOW BEST TO MAKE THIS MONEY WORK. 
          RIGHT? WE'VE JUST ALWAYS PUT THE MONEY OUT THERE FOR HIM TO SPEND WHEN HE NEEDS IT. 
          AND THAT'S, AND IF HE DOESN'T SPEND IT, THEN IT GOES BACK IN FOR THE NEXT YEAR FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO SPEND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT A SUPER SCIENTIFIC WAY OF APPROACHING THE BUDGET. 
          AND I, AND I KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA START DOING THAT NOW. 
          THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY POINT IS THAT I I, WE LOOK, IF WE'RE GONNA BUDGET THE MONEY, WE NEED TO AND WE BUDGET IT BECAUSE WE HAVE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          WE NEED TO DO THEM. 
          WE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO DO THEM EVEN, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S WHERE CONTRACT SERVICES COME IN. 
          WE JUST, THAT'S IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          HAVE TO DO THE WORK. 
          OUR PEOPLE ARE DEPENDENT ON IT. 
          UH, IT IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IF WE HAVE THE LIST OF PROJECTS, WE'RE NOT GETTING IT DONE, IT ROLLS INTO THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, LINE ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR CONTRACT SERVICES. 
          WE DIDN'T GET IT DONE. 
          NOW LET'S HIRE SOMEBODY TO AND EXACTLY. 
          GET IT DONE. 
          I MEAN, SO YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE THE, THE ARE THE LEAD TO TELL HIM WE'RE THE POLICY. 
          TELL WHEN YOU NEED A ROAD WORKED ON. 
          SO, SO, SO, SO YESTERDAY LAUREN, UM, UH, PUT IN HIS INNER JOHN STA AND PUT OUT A PROCEDURE AND A RESOLUTION. 
          SO I'M GONNA PUT OUT MY INNER LAUREN LTY AND SAYS, WE JUST GOTTA BUILD ROADS, MAN, . 
          AND I WILL SAY, COMMISSIONER ALANA, TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THESE EXCESSES. 
          THERE ARE EXCESSES, LIKE THE, UH, RENTAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, RENTAL EQUIPMENT, $75,000, WE'RE NOT USING MUCH OF IT THIS YEAR. 
          IT COULD POTENTIALLY TO GET US THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR, WE COULD UTILIZE IT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE CHALLENGING FOR US TO PULL OUT BECAUSE IF A MAJOR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT GOES DOWN, WE GOTTA HAVE IT. 
          AND SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY MONEY THAT WE JUST GOTTA HAVE, OTHERWISE WE'RE SHUT DOWN. 
          AND I GET IT. 
          AND THAT'S THE BATTLE OF CONTINGENCY THAT GOES ON. 
          AND, AND IN MY MIND WHERE, WHERE THE COUNTY HAS A CONTINGENCY, AND I DON'T WANT EVERY JUST THIS, THE WAY I VIEW IT, I DON'T WANT EVERY DEPARTMENT TO BUILD IN THEIR OWN CONTINGENCY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR COUNTY CONTINGENCY IS FOR. 
          AND I'D RATHER YOU COME TO THE COURT AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT, AND OF COURSE WE'LL APPROVE IT. 
          BUT 
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WE CAN'T HAVE CONTINGENCIES IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT. 
          AGREE. 
          NOT IF WE DID. 
          RIGHT. 
          AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          ONE 100%. 
          AND THAT'S IF WE NEED TO BEEF UP THE CONTINGENCY. 
          IT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY, BUT WE GOT YOU TODAY, LISA. 
          YEAH, YOU GOT ME. 
          YOU GOT ME. 
          I'M, I DON'T, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF STATUTORILY, WE HAVE TO KEEP ROAD AND BRIDGE SEQUESTERED. 
          UH, I, I, I, YEAH, I MEAN ALL, ALL OF THEIR MONEY IS KIND OF OVER HERE, BUT OUTSIDE OF ROAD AND BRIDGE, I, I I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          UH, WE, WE HAVE OUR HEALTHY CONTINGENCY AND UH, THAT'S EVERY DEPARTMENT'S CONTINGENCY. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, LISA. 
          I THINK IT'S BETTER IF I REMAIN QUIET. 
          . 
          . 
          THAT HAS BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS COMING. 
          I LIKE IT. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          YOU DID IT. 
          WELL DONE. 
          WELL, WELL, WELL DONE, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          C CARRY ON. 
          CARRY ON. 
          IS THAT IT? I THINK, IS THAT IT? DO YOU THINK THAT'S IT? I, I I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'RE DONE WITH OUR PRESENTATION. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE NO MORE AT THIS TIME, JUDGE. 
          UM, SO I, I WILL HAVE A STATEMENT. 
          I'M GONNA DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS. 
          I'M GONNA GET WITH ERICA AND, AND OF COURSE YOU'LL GET WITH SHELLY AND WITH WAYNE, UH, ABOUT HOW, HOW WE ACTUALLY ALLOCATE THIS. 
          AND, AND I THINK CONTRACT SERVICES IS, IS THE WAY TO GO IF WE HAVE OUR GUYS JUST MAINTAINING, PUTTING OUT FIRES WHILE WE'RE GETTING THE INVENTORY AND GETTING THE LIST OF PRIORITIES TOGETHER. 
          I THINK HAVING CONTRACT SERVICES THERE, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S TRULY THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          UM, SO THERE, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF, OF A DEEP DIVE ON THIS. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WHO IS NEXT? WA W WA W GOOD. 
          I OUR COUNTY AGENT. 
          COME ON UP. 
          COME ON UP. 
          TODD. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU WAYNE. 
          SHELLY. 
          ERICA, THANK YOU. 
          THE HOT SEAT. 
          I, I THINK THEY'RE ALL THE HOT SEAT. 
          TODD, YOU'RE YOU'RE VERY BRAVE COMING UP HERE ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT, WITHOUT PROTECTION. 
          OH NO. 
          HERE COMES SHELLY TO SAVE YOU. 
          YEAH, WELL, WELL, YEAH. 
           JUST GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING, SIR. 
          AWESOME. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME TODAY. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          TAKE, TAKE IT AWAY, TODD. 
          UH, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED ME TO, I HAVE NO PRESENTATION PREPARED AND SO I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR BUDGET IS PRETTY CONSISTENT IS WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          YOU'LL NOTICE IN THERE THAT THERE ARE SOME FUNDS THAT ARE NOT USED YET OF THIS YEAR. 
          I'LL BE COMING TO COURT, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO GET SOME OF, UH, SOME ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE PURCHASING FOR LEARNING GARDENS, UH, THAT ARE OVER THE, UH, THE NUMBER THAT WE CAN JUST USE ON OUR OWN. 
          AND SO THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR, FOR THOSE THINGS. 
          UH, JUDGE, I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SOME BENCHES AND THINGS IN PREPARATION FOR THOSE THINGS. 
          UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WAS AN INCREASE ON THAT WAS THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING. 
          LAST YEAR WHEN WE GOT OUR PARAPROFESSIONAL, UH, I HAD INITIALLY PUT IN, UM, A TRAVEL BUDGET FOR HER. 
          IT DID NOT GET PUT IN. 
          SO SHE'S BEEN USING OUT OF MIND THIS YEAR, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO TO SOME OF THE TRAININGS, UH, THAT I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO GO TO THIS YEAR JUST BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING. 
          AND SO I JUST ADDED, UH, 2000 IN FOR HER ON THAT ONE. 
          THE BIG QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ANSWER TODAY, IS THAT, UH, AT WHAT POINT DOES MY HALFTIME OFFICE MANAGER BECOME FULL-TIME OFFICE MANAGER, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITION OF FUNDS? IF YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION, IT'S NEXT BUDGET, NOT THE ONE WE'RE ABOUT TO PASS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT  THAT THAT'S, I I WOULD SAY NOT THIS BUDGET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE NEXT ONE OR NOT, BUT NOT, NOT NOT THIS BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE WORK, THE WORKLOAD HAS INCREASED DRASTICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET, LET ME ASK YOU, AND I'M, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF DIVE INTO THIS, UH, UH, WE'RE MASTER GARDENER'S PROGRAM. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE SPENDING THAT. 
          I'M SUCH A FAN OF THEM. 
          HOW, HOW CAN WE I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY. 
          I'M ABOUT TO SPEND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          'CAUSE THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S SUCH A FANTASTIC OUTREACH. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND GET ZERO COMPLAINTS, NOTHING BUT APPLAUSE. 
          SO WE, WE RIGHT. 
          WE FUND IT 
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AND YEP. 
          AND SO, AND AND APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND SO JUST DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AND THE FI DON'T WANNA SAY THE FOCUS 'CAUSE THE FOCUS IS ALWAYS THE SAME, BUT THE YEAR AND THE ACTIVITIES FOR THAT YEAR. 
          AND, AND SO I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO GET THROUGH PART OF THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT I STILL HAVE WHAT I NEED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THAT I DO THINGS. 
          AND SO YOU COME IN AT THE END FLYING LOW AND FLYING FAST. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS, RIGHT, UH, I'M, AND I'M LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT ONES. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET REQUESTS THAT I SENT IN, AND I'M LOOKING AT WHAT SHELLY JUST HANDED ME, WHICH WAS, UH, THE ACTUAL UP, UH, UPTODATE THING. 
          AND SO WE'VE JUST SPENT SOME THINGS IN THE OFFICE ON, ON SOME, UM, ON SOME ITEMS THAT I WOULD'VE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED. 
          AND WE HAD OUR IT COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU NEED THIS AND THIS AND THIS. 
          AND I'M LIKE, WELL, OKAY. 
          AND SO CAN CAN, CAN SOMEONE IN THE ROOM ANSWER THIS QUESTION? UM, HOW DO WE FUND THE COUNTY EXTENSION AGENT? IS IT FUNDED FROM THE STATE, FROM THE COUNTY? CAN YOU JUST LET ME ANSWER THAT? OKAY. 
          CAN SOMEONE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL START ON THAT ONE. 
          UH, LISA, YOU CAN FILL IN IF YOU NEED TO OR, OR WANT TO. 
          UH, WE'RE A PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE A COOPERATION. 
          IT'S, UH, THAT WAS PUT IN THROUGH, UH, PART OF IT WAS THROUGH THE SMITH LEVER ACT, UH, CAME IN. 
          AND SO WE, WE RECEIVE, THE STATE FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE IS BASICALLY SALARIES. 
          AND THE COUNTIES, UH, IN THAT COOPERATION HAS THEN PROVIDED, UM, OFFICE SPACE HAS PROVIDED, UM, SALARY AS WELL. 
          THERE USED TO BE WHAT WE CALLED AN EQUITY PROGRAM. 
          AND SO IF YOU WANTED A COUNTY AGENT, IT WOULD COST YOU THIS MUCH AND THEN THE STATE WOULD FILL IN THE REST OF THAT SALARY. 
          OVER THE YEARS, AS A DISCREPANCY HAS GROWN BETWEEN, I WOULD SAY MORE POPULATED COUNTIES, SOME OF THOSE RURAL COUNTIES HAVE LOST, UM, FUNDING BECAUSE OF TAXPAYERS. 
          'CAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE 'EM. 
          AND SO THAT EQUITY PROGRAM THAT USED TO BE IN PLACE IS NOW NOT NECESSARILY IN PLACE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU GUYS SPEND TO HAVE ME HERE, I'LL JUST SAY DELTA COUNTY DOES NOT SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY. 
          PART OF THAT IS COST OF LIVING. 
          UH, PART OF THAT IS AGAIN, JUST THE TAXPAYERS THAT COME IN. 
          AND SO THE STATE MAY ACTUALLY PAY MORE, UH, FOR THEIR COUNTY AGENT OVER THERE WHERE THEIR TAXPAYERS MAY ACTUALLY PAY LESS. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE TO THAT, UH, AS THAT WORKS. 
          AND SO STATE FUNDING IS BASICALLY SALARIES. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, UH, AMAZING AND HAVE PROVIDED THE REST. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO NOW I DO NOT GET, I DO NOT GET RETIREMENT FROM THE COUNTY. 
          I GET RETIREMENT FROM THE STATE. 
          YOU'RE, YOU, YOU, YOU BEAT ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE A, YOU, YOU, YOU BASICALLY ARE A STATE EMPLOYEE THAT WE SUPPLEMENT YOUR SALARY. 
          I WOULD SAY YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I VIEW IT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I VIEW IT AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          WHAT ABOUT YOUR STAFF? STAFF IS ALL COUNTY FUNDED? OKAY. 
          WELL, EXCEPT, UH, AMY. 
          RIGHT? WELL, BUT SHE'S AN AGENT. 
          SO MY, SO MY COWORKER, AND THIS IS WHAT'S INTERESTING ON THE, ON THE COUNTY LEVEL, I'M RECOGNIZED AS DEPARTMENT HEAD ON THE EXTENSION LEVEL, I AM RECOGNIZED AS A COUNTY COORDINATOR AND I HAVE A COWORKER. 
          AND SO MY COWORKER IS THE OTHER AGENT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM . 
          SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT LINE 0 0 1 7 81 0 2, THAT'S TWO PEOPLE. 
          OR IS THAT ONE PERSON? THAT'S ONE PERSON THAT'S THEN, AND THEN 1 0 3 IS YOUR COWORKER. 
          RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I COMPLETELY, FULLY UNDERSTAND. 
          SURE. 
          I I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT THE REST OF IT. 
          SURE. 
          SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THOSE ARE NAMED AS SUCH WHERE IT SAYS COUNTY SUPPLEMENT AND THE OTHER ONE SAYS FCSA. 
          OH, LISA JUST MADE IT UP YEARS AGO. 
          NO, I'M KIDDING. 
          I'M KIDDING. 
          LISA. 
          IT WASN'T LISA. 
          THE ANSWER IS THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PUT IN THE SYSTEM. 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT, SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I JUST WANNA TO, TO FULL FULLY UNDERSTAND. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN WE FUND ALL THE PROGRAMMING, EE EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE COUNTY ITSELF DOES ALL OF THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WE BASICALLY SPLIT THE PAY WITH YOU AND THE STATE. 
          AND LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE NOT EQUITABLE, BUT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU'RE A STATE EMPLOYEE. 
          YOUR COWORKER'S, STATE EMPLOYEE? CORRECT. 
          AND SHELLY IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE? YES. 
          AND MY PARA PARAPROFESSIONAL IS AS WELL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HARD TO SAY TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          FAIR. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A, I JUST WANT ALL THAT TO BE LEAST APPRECIATE THAT ARTICULATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AND TODD'S NOT ON THE COUNTY INSURANCE? NO, EITHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THE GROUP 
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INSURANCE IS ONLY A HALF OF SHELLY'S EXPENSE BECAUSE HER OTHER HALF IS, OTHER HALF IS IN ROADING BRIDGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT ELSE, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? SPEND MORE MONEY. 
          I, I'M SERIOUSLY, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT MASTER GARDENER, RIGHT. 
          I'M LIKE, MAN, SURE. 
          TURN THE, TURN THE GARDENERS LOOSE. 
          UM, SICK 'EM, UM, NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, HE SPOKE ABOUT MASTER GARDENERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND ARE YOU ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT THE ANNEX AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE OH, I CAN, I WA I HAD, I HAD NOT PLANNED TO DO, BUT I CAN WELL, WHAT WAS YOUR, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING WITH THE MASTER GARDENERS? NO, I SAID I WAS ABOUT TO USE MONEY. 
          ABOUT TO SPEND THE MONEY. 
          YOU WERE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TELL US HOW YOU WERE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY. 
          NO. 
          WELL, AND SO THE JUDGE AND I HAVE SPOKEN, AND SO I HAVE NOT COME TO YOU GUYS FORMALLY IN A, UM, COMMISSIONER'S COURT SESSION TO GET A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, COMPLETED. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, CRAIG ON THAT ONE AT THE DA'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THINGS WHERE WE WANT 'EM, UH, TO COME TO YOU GUYS. 
          AND IT'S JUST, AND, AND, AND IN HIS WORDS, IT'S AN AGREEMENT. 
          IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY NON-BINDING EXACTLY. 
          BUT IT'S JUST AN UNDERSTANDING FOR, AND I THINK I'VE SPOKEN WITH EACH ONE OF YOU ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE LEARNING GARDENS OVER THERE AND DOING THAT IN PHASES AND, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE SECURITY NEEDS ARE FROM THE COURTHOUSE POINT OF VIEW WITH CAMERAS AND THINGS. 
          AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE LANDSCAPE SERVICE WOULD STILL DO AND WHAT THEY WOULD NOT DO, AND WHO WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER, UH, THE WATER SPIGOT AND WHO WOULD THEN, UH, ALSO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHO DOES WHAT AND HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UH, WITH EXPECTATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS WHAT COMES INTO FRUITION. 
          UH, AND SO, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, JUST TO TELL YOU, WE'RE IN THE STAGE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER CONCEPTS OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UH, AS I SPOKE WITH THE JUDGE EARLIER, WE'LL BE BUYING SOME BENCHES BECAUSE THOSE ARE A LARGE TICKET ITEM. 
          UH, AND THOSE WOULD COME OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME MORE IN THE, IN THE NEXT BUDGET AS WELL. 
          BUT THOSE LARGE ITEMS LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHY I PUT THOSE FUNDING IN THERE, BECAUSE PLANTS ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE WHEN YOU GET THEM. 
          UH, BUT IT'S ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, AND, AND SO WHEN THE ANNEX IS COMPLETED AND FINISHED, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN ADDITION THAT WOULD BE GOING ON OVER IN SOME OF THAT SIDE OF THE GARDEN AREAS THAT MAY BE ONE TO BE MIMICKED OR MIRRORED IN THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW AS, AS WELL. 
          AND SO I NOTICED THAT THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE LANDSCAPE TODAY OVER AT THE, UH, ANNEX. 
          AND SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE A POLLINATOR GARDEN IN THAT AREA. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW ALL WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO DO OR TO PUT IN, UH, THE COMPOST AND THEN MULCH IT. 
          SO IT'S A CLEAN LOOK. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY GET FINISHED AND THEY GIVE IT BACK TO US AND WE'RE OPEN, THEN WE'LL GO IN AND WE'LL PUT A POLLINATOR GARDENING OVER IN THAT AREA AS WELL. 
          SO. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, SIR? THANK YOU GUYS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS. 
          SEE YA. 
          JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OH, MAN. 
          WE WERE THAT CLOSE. 
          NO, THIS, DO YOU DO ANY, I I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AS I DON'T COMB MY HAIR. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          . 
          SORRY. 
          DO WHAT? I HAD A COMMISSIONER ASK ME ONE TIME, SAY, DO YOU COMB YOUR HAIR? AND I SAID, I DON'T OWN A BRUSH. 
          SO , I'M PROUD OF YOU, . 
          UM, BUT DO YOU DO A THING WITH THE BEEKEEPERS HERE IN THE COUNTY? DO YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THEM? WE HAVE MASTER GARDENERS WHO ARE BEEKEEPERS. 
          MOST OF OUR, MOST OF OUR BEEKEEPERS IN THE COUNTY ARE MEMBERS OF THE COLLIN COUNTY BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE STATE. 
          AND SO I HAVE ROLLED THAT OVER AND PONDERED IF IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL HERE, IF THERE'S ENOUGH TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF COLLIN COUNTY JUST BEING ADJACENT TO US AND MOST OF DOING THAT. 
          WELL, AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE PROGRAMMING THAT WE DO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, I RUN, AT LEAST IN THE WHATEVER CIRCLE I TRAVEL IN, UM, I RUN INTO A LOT OF THESE GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST, I NEVER HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT IT, NEVER SAW ANYTHING ON IT. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE A, IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL TO 
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MM-HMM . 
          AG MM-HMM . 
          OBVIOUSLY. 
          SURE. 
          YOU NEED BS MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND B THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT IT, THAT SEEMS TO ME DO IT AND JUST OKAY. 
          WONDERED IF YOU DID. 
          SURE. 
          UH, MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT IT. 
          I COULD GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF ABOUT FIVE GUYS ON MY STREET THAT DO IT, AND SURE. 
          AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THEIR BEES. 
          AND I JUST KINDA LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND  NOW, AND SEE NOW, AND THERE'S A POINT IN CASE THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IS THAT, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT, UH, OUR PRODUCTION AGRICULTURE IS DECREASING BECAUSE OF LOSS OF LAND. 
          AND SO OUR PRODUCTION AGRICULTURE PROGRAMMING HAS REDUCED FOR SINGLE COUNTY PROGRAMMING. 
          AND SO I DO MULTI-COUNTY PROGRAMMING WITH OTHER COUNTIES, UH, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DECENT POPULATION AT A MEETING. 
          AND SO IT'S HARD TO DO A MEETING JUST FOR FIVE PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT. 
          AND SO THAT IS A CHALLENGE. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE THE BACKYARD CHICKENS. 
          EVERYBODY HAS 'EM, EVERYBODY WANTS TO, THEY SAY THEY WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT 'EM, CHALLENGES SOMETIMES GETTING 'EM TO A MEETING, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO 'EM. 
          BUT NO, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, THOSE NAMES AND WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, TODD. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO'S NEXT? IS IT COUNTY ADMIN? YES. 
          YEP. 
          LET'S ROLL INTO COUNTY ADMIN. 
          WHY IS CAMMY LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU WERE NOT EVEN SCHEDULED TODAY? THAT, WELL, AS FAR, I, I HAD NOT PREPARED A PRESENTATION FOR THAT. 
          FELICIA AND THE PIO O UM, SUBMITTED THEIR REQUESTS. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY CHANGES IN JEN'S APPROACHING. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          COME ON, SIT DOWN. 
          JIM BARTOW. 
          PIO . 
          . 
          THAT SOUNDED, SOUNDED A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN IT. 
          THAT AGGRESSIVE  CALLED TO THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE SOMETIMES, DOESN'T IT? OKAY. 
          UM, SO IT'S UNDER COUNTY ADMIN IS WHERE THE CHIEF ASSISTANT, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, AND ALL, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS, IS, UM, LISTED. 
          SO TAKE IT AWAY, JIM BARTOW. 
          WELL, IF WE WANT TO JUMP RIGHT IN, I, UM, CONSIDERING THAT EVERYTHING'S LUMPED TOGETHER WITH FELICIA, WHO ISN'T HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ONLY REAL QUESTION THAT I HAD IS I JUST LOOKING AT EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S A BUDGET REQUEST OF $3,000. 
          THAT'S NOT MINE. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CAME FROM HER OR I, I, WHAT THAT IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT CAME FROM. 
          WE CERTAINLY, UH, FELICIA DOESN'T HAVE A NEED FOR ANY FURNITURE THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          NEITHER DO I. 
          THAT NUMBER COULD BE LOWERED. 
          THOSE WERE NUMBERS THAT I COMBINED BASED ON WHAT JIM REQUESTED AND WHAT HISTORICALLY FELICIA HAS HAD IN THE BUDGET. 
          BUT THAT DEFINITELY CAN BE SOMETHING I, YEAH. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL, I'M, I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT THE POINT IN THE BUDGET WHERE I GO LOCK MYSELF IN A ROOM AND, AND LOOK AT ALL THE LITTLE THOUSANDS AND FIVE THOUSANDS AND 10 THOUSANDS. 
          AND, AND, AND I ALSO, ON THE AIR CARD, I'M PRETTY SURE WE NEED TO TAKE A, A LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE, UH, A COVID THING AS FAR AS, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE WHO'S, WHO'S USING THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE COMMISSION'S. 
          THAT'S, IS THAT YOURS, JIM BARTOW? OR NO. 
          DO YOU USE AIR CARD? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I, I, I HAVE AN AIR CARD ON MY, MY LAPTOP. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTY JUDGE'S BUDGET. 
          IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW FELICIA HAS A MIFI, SO I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S FOR HER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS CAME ABOUT WHEN YOU HAD A GENERAL COUNSEL AS AN EMPLOYEE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN YES, WE, WE BUDGETED FOR CIVIL ENGINEER AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. 
          SO, UH, A LOT. 
          AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ARE CHARGING ERICA'S, UH, SALARY TO THIS LINE UNTIL WE HAD HER NEW BUDGET IN 26. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO SOME OF THESE EXPENSES WILL, WILL FIX WHEN WE FIX. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THAT, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KIND OF BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH IS I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET HAS BEEN, I GUESS I WOULDN'T SAY MANIPULATED, BUT IT'S LIKE WE WERE GOING IN ONE DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY WITH GENERAL COUNSEL, AND THEN WE HAVE GONE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS EQUIPMENT IS DONE. 
          AND THEN I ALSO WANNA SAY, IF 
          [02:05:01]
FELICIA HAS A MIFI IN ORDER TO DO WORK OCCASIONALLY, COULD WE NOT ALSO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY HAVING JIM, WHO IS A-P-I-O-I MEAN, WE JUST, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AT EFFICIENT USE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ARE ASKING OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO BE EFFICIENT WITH THEIR USAGE, AND WE NEED TO BE MORE SELF-AWARE AND EFFICIENT WITH, WITH OUR STUFF AS WELL. 
          YEP. 
          UH, UH, AGREED. 
          CAN WE SHARE THOSE MIFIS? IS THAT I, I, I TRULY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WORK. 
          HOW WE DO IT IN MY OFFICE IS I HAVE ONE, AND THEN WHOEVER'S TRAVELING TAKES IT WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SOFI THAT, UH, THE MI THE MIFI IS BASICALLY LIKE A, A MOBILE MODEM. 
          I MEAN, HOT A HOTPOT HOT, WE, WE DON'T CALL IT, BUT THEY'RE CALLED HOTSPOTS NOW. 
          BUT YOU JUST PLUG IT INTO THE COMPUTER. 
          I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS A PLUGIN IS THE POINT. 
          MINE'S ACTUALLY A A, YOU'D LOG INTO IT. 
          THEY DON'T BRICK THAT I, YOU KNOW, BIGGER THAN MY PHONE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT I CARRY IT AROUND. 
          SO E EITHER WAY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MODEM HOTSPOT THAT YOU LOG INTO. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, UH, IN COUNTY ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES. 
          YEP. 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          I WOULD SAY, LET'S GIVE THAT TO JIM BARTOW, WHO WOULD PROBABLY MAKE BETTER USE OF IT. 
          SO FAR, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT OF COMMUNICATION WITH ANYTHING WITH MY PHONE AND LAPTOP. 
          EVERYTHING SEEMS TO WORK  EFFICIENTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          NO, NO. 
          MINE'S MY, I GOTTA SAY, I, THESE AIR CARDS ARE MY FIVES. 
          THIS IS NEW TO ME. 
          AND I'VE BEEN RUNNING A LAW FIRM FOR 35 YEARS. 
          PEOPLE GOING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          I'VE NEVER EVEN BOUGHT ONE OF THESE THINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO IT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          MAYBE WE NEED IT. 
          THE ONLY REASON, MAYBE WE DON'T, I TAKE MINE WHEN I GO TO HOTELS AT CONFERENCES JUST FOR THE SECURITY, BECAUSE WE ARE LINKED TO THE FINANCIAL SOFTWARE OF THE COUNTY. 
          SO IT DOES GIVE A SECURE, UH, INTERACTION WITH INTERNET AS OPPOSED TO JUST GOING ON THE PUBLIC WIFI SURE. 
          AT A HOTEL. 
          UM, BUT THAT THIS IS ALL YOUR DECISION ON, ON WHO HAS A WIFI. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          I SEE 'EM ON EVERY BUDGET. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT A LINE ITEM FOR THESE THINGS. 
          AND I THINK AT ONE OF THESE EARLY MEETINGS SAID, WHAT'S THAT? AND I JUST KEEP SEEING THEM POP UP AND I'M THINKING WHY THEY USE THEM IN THEIR VEHICLES. 
          I LITERALLY, IN SOME CASES THAT'S RIGHT. 
          HAVE NEVER USED IT. 
          AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR EVERYBODY HAS FOR, I MEAN, DID YOU DO IT IN YOUR BUSINESS, BOBBY? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? NO, I, I DIDN'T. 
          DANA, DID YOU? SO WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY FOR? SO THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS WE DIDN'T DO THAT IN OUR BUSINESSES. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE I CAN SAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS DIFFERENT THAN A BUSINESS. 
          IT'S, I KNEW THAT WAS COMING, BUT WHY IS IT DIFFERENT HERE? UH, SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          AGAIN, THIS MAY GO BACK TO THIS IS THE RULES OF THE GAME THAT WAS BEING PLAYED WHEN I JOINED THE GAME. 
          UH, AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE USED MY CARD AND MINE ALLOWS MY, MY LAPTOP TO HAVE CELL PHONE SERVICE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ME TO GET INTO, IF I CAN GET A CELL TOWER, I CAN USE MY LAPTOP. 
          SO I, I, I USE IT. 
          UM, I, I WOULDN'T SAY ALL THE TIME, BUT, BUT I, I, I USE IT. 
          I COULD SEE FROM A, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE COUNTY STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, HOW THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE NECESSARY FOR YOU AND ANYBODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT HAD TO, TO USE ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD RECOMMEND FOR OTHER PEOPLE RATHER THAN JUMPING ONTO HOTEL WIFI MAYBE THAN I KNOW I USE MY HOTSPOT ON MY PHONE MUCH. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING EITHER. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I WILL NEVER GO ON A, A PLACE LIKE STARBUCKS OR SOMETHING, USE ANYTHING, MY OWN PERSONAL WHATEVER. 
          BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT. 
          YOU'RE TIED INTO THE FINANCIAL, AND I GET THAT. 
          BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, BOBBY, IS WE'RE, EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS OPEN RECORDS, , I MEAN, EVERYTHING WE DO IS OPEN RECORDS. 
          SO A BIG EXPENSE FOR THE AIR CARDS TOO IS YOUR ELECTIONS. 
          AND THAT THOSE ARE, I THINK, TURNED ON THERE. 
          THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN 'EM ON AND TURN 'EM OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING CHARGED MONTH TO MONTH WHEN THEY'RE NOT BEING USED. 
          UH, AND I KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT FOR THE ELECTION WORKERS WITH THOSE LAPTOPS. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT THERE'S SECURITY REASONS THAT YOU HAVE 'EM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I ALSO THINK, I ALSO THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE PROVIDE JIM A PHONE SO HE CAN HOTSPOT ON HIS PHONE. 
          WE DON'T PROVIDE OUR COURT, UH, COORDINATOR WITH ANY ALLOWANCE OF ANY SORT. 
          SO WE ALL HAVE A PHONE ALLOWANCE. 
          I I, I, I THINK IT'S TIME. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE CAN LOOK AT BETTER EFFICIENCIES, BUT I THINK THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WHEN, WHEN THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN ME A PHONE ALLOWANCE AND I JUMP ON AND USE MY MINUTES AND HOTSPOT IN, THAT'S ONE THING. 
          BUT WHEN WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT HAS NO PHONE ALLOWANCE, NO ANYTHING, AND WE SAY, HEY, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, TO JUMP ON THERE, THERE'S SOME, I GUESS SOME, YEAH. 
          EE EQUITABLE THOUGHTS THAT WE NEED TO FAIR ENOUGH. 
          ALSO CONSIDER FAIR ENOUGH. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          LET'S JUST BE SMART AND YOU CAN TAKE IT OFF MY BUDGET LINE. 
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WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR BUDGET YET, , YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT EARLY. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          JIM BARTOW, YOU'RE LOSING AN AIR CARD YOU NEVER HAD. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          . 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I REALLY HAVE IS THE ADOBE PREMIER PRO, WHICH IS THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE FOR THE VIDEOS, EDITING AND PRODUCTION. 
          THAT'S $210. 
          BUT THAT'S TACKED ONTO OR ASSOCIATED WITH AN ALREADY EXISTING, UH, LICENSE THAT THE COUNTY HAS, UH, PRIMARILY I THINK WITH THE DA'S OFFICE. 
          SO I'M KIND OF PIGGYBACKED ON THAT. 
          UM, ONE OTHER ITEM WOULD BE A NORTH TEXAS PIO GROUP MEMBERSHIP OF $45 THAT I WOULD NEED TO, UH, SIGN UP FOR IN OCTOBER AS THEY DO THAT YEARLY. 
          EVERY, EVERY OCTOBER. 
          I'M GONNA TELL YOU, GO AHEAD AND SIGN UP FOR THAT . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE, UH, THERE'S TWO DESKTOPS IN A LAPTOP. 
          AND AGAIN, I REALIZE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BUDGET REQUEST ARE GETTING, UM, COMBINED WITH OTHERS. 
          WHO, WHO WAS THAT FOR? IT SAYS COUNTY ADMIN, BUT WHO, WHO IS ASKING FOR THE DESKTOP COMPUTERS AND THE LAPTOP? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THREE COMPUTERS IN COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. 
          THOSE WERE LISTED UNDER THE, IT RECOMMENDED ITEMS. SO WHAT, BUT WHAT ARE THEY, THEY REPLACING EXISTING OR THAT'S CORRECT. 
          REPLACING EXISTING DESKTOPS. 
          AND, BUT WHICH ONES SPECIFICALLY? I CAN FIND OUT FROM IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHI WHICH, WHICH DEPARTMENT IS, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY IS ASKING. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE MINE. 
          WE, AT ONE POINT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING A COMPUTER SOLELY FOR THE EDITING OF THE VIDEOS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY CAME UP WITH A REFURBISHED COMPUTER THAT'S WORKING JUST FINE. 
          SO AS FAR AS MY NEEDS GO, THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T ANY, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THAT LAPTOP'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S STILL NOT IN THE BUDGET TO GET YOU THE, THE VIDEO EDITING. 
          WELL, YEAH, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT UPGRADING THE LAPTOP THAT I CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          SO IF I WAS OUT OF POCKET THAT I'D BE ABLE TO WORK ON MY LAPTOP, BECAUSE THE LAPTOP THAT I HAVE, IF I'M DOING A VIDEO, IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, MY, MY COMPUTER'S IN MY BUDGET. 
          SO THE FIVE OF US HAVE OUR OWN BUDGETS WITH OUR OWN COMPUTER. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES AND THREE COMPUTERS. 
          AND I'M JUST VERY CURIOUS. 
          , DO YOU, DO YOU THINK IT'S THIS COMPUTER? OH, DO YOU THINK IT'S THE ACTUAL, THE ONE AT THE PODIUM OF THE COURT? ONE SAYS, ACTUALLY THERE'S ONE LAPTOP AND ONE DESKTOP, AND THEY BOTH SAY, UH, COURTROOM. 
          COURTROOM. 
          THERE ARE TWO COMPU. 
          ARE THERE TWO COMPUTERS IN HERE? THERE'S ONE, ONE IN THE BACK. 
          I WONDER IF IT'S, UM, OKAY, IT SAYS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, ZOOM, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURTROOM ON, ON THAT WAS ON THE DESKTOP. 
          AND THEN IT SAYS THE OTHER, OH, FELICIA, UH, IS A NEW DESKTOP. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE THE COURTROOM BASICALLY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THAT COMPUTER, A COMPUTER IN THE BACK AND FELICIA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE REPLACE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO I I, IT HAS A SIMILAR TO WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE FLEET AND THE ROADS TO GET US ON A REPLACEMENT CYCLE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DO IT, IT JUST A EXPLANATION. 
          IT DOES, IT DOES NOT MEAN WE DO IT. 
          THEY, THEY SAY THIS IS UP, IT'S, IT'S FIVE YEARS OLD, WE NEED NEW SOFTWARE. 
          IT'S TIME TO REPLACE. 
          AND YEAH, BECAUSE I SAY, CAN WE GET ANOTHER YEAR OUT OF IT? AND THEN WE DO, BECAUSE FELICIA'S WAS LAST UPGRADED IN 2021. 
          SO THAT WOULD, FIVE YEARS WILL BE JUST, JUST NEXT YEAR. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JIM. 
          BARTOW. 
          . 
          . 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL. 
          IS THAT IT? YEP. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALL ALRIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HEARING NONE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING WE HAD SCHEDULED TODAY WAS THE COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, AND THE JUDGES. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK. 
          UM, LET'S START WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          COMMISSIONER FOUR. 
          UM, . 
          OKAY. 
          I'M KIDDING. 
          I'M KIDDING. 
          I'M ASKING FOR NO CHANGES TO MY BUDGET. 
          HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT . 
          HEY, SELF-IMPORTANCE IS A REAL THING HERE. 
          IT'S, UM, NO, BUT, BUT I'M NOT ASKING FOR, FOR ANY CHANGE TO TRAVEL TRAINING, UM, OR OFFICE SUPPLIES. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT'S 
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ALL BEING HANDLED, UM, PRETTY WELL WI WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A SINGLE CHANGE TO MY BUDGET WHATSOEVER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER PRECINCT? FOUR? NOPE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S GO TO THE NEXT IMPORTANT COMMISSIONER. 
          YOU CAN JUMP IN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK. 
          SO, UM, BEING A ROOKIE, I GUESS I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF SALARY ADJUSTMENT SO THAT WHATEVER, WHATEVER, THE JUDGE HATES THE WORD COLA. 
          SO I'M GONNA SAY COLA, COLA, COLA, COLA A FEW TIMES, WHATEVER, KIND OF ADJUST , WHATEVER KIND OF ADJUSTMENT HAPPENS. 
          I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. 
          THAT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          I REDUCED SOME THINGS, UH, IN MINE ONLY BECAUSE, UH, I, UH, I THINK, UH, TRAVEL, UM, WHILE I HAVEN'T SPENT THAT, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER CONFERENCE THAT I'LL BE GOING TO BEFORE THE YEAR'S UP, SO I WILL, UM, PROBABLY, BUT THERE'S NOT A LEGISLATIVE SESSION NEXT YEAR STILL. 
          I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP YOUR TRAVEL THERE. 
          THERE'S GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN. 
          I MEAN, I'LL BE GOING TO AUSTIN STILL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND I WILL BE DOING SOME THINGS, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, I JUST WASN'T SURE I WAS GONNA USE ALL OF THAT. 
          I CERTAINLY DID NOT USE OR WILL NOT USE THAT MUCH IN OFFICE SUPPLIES. 
          THAT'S REALLY IT. 
          I JUST TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO WHAT I'M ACTUALLY DOING. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY NO OTHER, OTHER CHANGES. 
          I'M, I AM, UH, SEEKING. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          YOU DID GOOD. 
          I, I DIDN'T, I, AS FAR AS OFFICE SUPPLIES, I DON'T REALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT 1200 ON HERE BECAUSE I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY I, I THINK I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT THAT MUCH ON THERE. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S JUST CHANGE THAT. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE ONLY SPENT RIGHT AT 200 YEAR TO DATE, SO PROBABLY WE PROBABLY NEED TO CHANGE THAT AND MAYBE MAKE THAT, LIKE, MAYBE I'M RUNNING OUT OF SOME THINGS. 
          BUT FELICIA USUALLY HAS THAT O THAT OFFICE SUPPLY LITTLE DRAWER, AND I GO GET THINGS OUTTA THAT. 
          SO LET'S JUST PUT THAT AT 200. 
          WOULD YOU GUYS CHANGE THAT TO, TO 200 HUNDRED COME, COME SEE ME IN MY OFFICE? BECAUSE I THINK COMMISSIONER S SEVERE MIGHT HAVE HOARDED SOME THINGS. 
          DURST. 
          OH, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD ANYTHING, BUT YEAH, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS I INHERITED ANYBODY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          PLEASE COME SEE ME. 
          OKAY, WELL, OKAY, WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE, JUST MAKE MINE ZERO THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S THE RIGHT CASE. 
          UM, THE AIR CARD, I AM LIKE COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. 
          UM, OH, NO, THAT'S EQUIPMENT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE UNDER 500. 
          AND, UM, I MAY BE, I, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP THAT AT FIVE, UNDER 500. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAY HAPPEN THERE. 
          BOND, THAT'S NOTHING. 
          SO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES, JUST REMOVE THAT ONE. 
          ALSO, I'VE ONLY SPENT 324 JUST REMOVE THAT ONE. 
          TRAVEL AND TRAINING. 
          UM, LIKE, UM, THE JUDGE SAID, I WANNA KEEP THAT BECAUSE I'M HAVING TO GO EVERY MONTH FOR CUC AND I'LL DO SOME OTHER TRAINING. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGES. 
          SO REMOVE OFFICE SUPPLIES TO ZERO AND REMOVE UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES TO ZERO. 
          ZERO. 
          YEAH. 
          UNANTICIPATED ALWAYS CRACKS ME UP. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I I I DON'T, IT, IT, IT JUST BAKES THE GOVERNMENT QUESTION. 
          WELL, IT'S AN ACCOUNTING TITLE. 
          I, I KNOW, BUT IT JUST, ANYTIME SOMEBODY SAYS I'M CHARGING THIS UNANTICIPATED, IT WOULD BE LIKE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SAY, WELL, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T BUDGET THAT? WELL, I, IT WAS UN ANTICIPATED. 
          WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, THE 324 WAS PROBABLY THINGS THAT WAS, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN THIS YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE PROBABLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WENT TO THAT, UM, THAT 324, YOU KNOW, THAT DIDN'T, THAT WAS UNANTICIPATED. 
          YEP. 
          GOT IT. 
          ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER, DO YOU, I'M SORRY, JUDGE. 
          UH, M**K, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, DETAIL ON THE CAPITAL THAT I HAVE? SHOW THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR $500 IN CAPITAL, WELL, EXCUSE ME, UNDER 500, ANYTHING UP TO 500? IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BE CHARGED TO EQUIPMENT, BUT I MEAN, NORMALLY WE, WE HAVE TO ITEMIZE CAPITAL IN A SEPARATE LIST AT THE BACK OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, MY COMPUTER TABLE, IT'S REALLY, IT'S THAT ONE THAT I BOUGHT AND IT, IT'S GONE ON THREE YEARS, BUT IT'S REAL, IT WAS A REAL INEXPENSIVE ONE. 
          I THINK IT WAS LIKE 70, $80 AND IT KIND OF, IT'S RICKETY. 
          AND I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE I MIGHT TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STURDIER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU'RE, YOU, WE WOULD CHARGE THAT TO EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD GO IN EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE. 
          I'M ABOUT OH 1 4 2 2 800. 
          YOU'VE GOT $500. 
          YEAH. 
          LET, LET'S REMOVE THAT AND JUST PUT IT UP UNDER, UH, 3 52. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          3 52. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST MOVE THAT TO THREE 50. 
          WELL, I DO HAVE FIVE HUNDRED AND THREE FIFTY TWO. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT THE BUDGET FOR IT NOW, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU JUST TO SPEND IT. 
          JUST SPEND IT RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE BUDGETED 500 IN THE 2025 BUDGET AND I HAVEN'T USED IT YET. 
          AND YOU SPENT ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          I DO HAVE, I 
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SEE, YES, YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, LEAVE, LEAVE 3 52 AT ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL REMOVE 800. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MINE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, UH, INCREASE MY OFFICE SUPPLIES NOW THAT I'VE FIGURED OUT YOU GUYS ARE ALL STEALING MY OFFICE SUPPLIES. 
          , . 
          LISA TOLD ME I COULD GO TO THAT DRAWER AND TAKE MY SUPPLIES. 
          IT'S IN COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, NOT COUNTY JUDGE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW LET, LET'S, LET'S, UH, DO COMMISSIONER LICK DE UH, NEXT I, OR DID YOU ALREADY GO? DID I MISS SOMETHING? NO, I, ANOTHER PLACE. 
          UH, I'M NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THE LAST SHALL BE FIRST. 
          YES, YES. 
          YES. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING BEFORE ME HERE. 
          . 
          WELL, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS I WAS REFERRING TO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY OFF MY OFFICE SUPPLIES GOT TO 1600. 
          I DID ASK FOR SOME NEW PAPER CLIPS, AND I THINK FELICIA'S ORDERING THOSE, I HAVE 7,000 OR MORE MAYBE, MAYBE 10,000. 
          YEAH. 
          PAPER CLIPS. 
          I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, YOU, THE BINDER CLIPS I HAVE EVER JUST COME SEE ME. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK SHE ALREADY ORDERED 'EM. 
          SHE SAID SHE HAD TO GET HER ORDER UP TO $35 BEFORE SHE COULD ORDER IT, SO SHE COULDN'T ORDER 'EM, BUT SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME OTHER THINGS SHE COULD ORDER TO MAKE IT $35. 
          UM, I HAD IN THERE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT, UH, OF 2,500 BECAUSE I WANNA REPLACE MY DOOR. 
          UM, BARRY GAVE ME A QUOTE OF LIKE 7,000, WHICH WAS RIDICULOUS. 
          UM, BUT IF WE CAN'T FIND IT, I WON'T SPEND IT. 
          SO THE, THE QUOTE WAS 1100 IN THE, I KNOW HIS, IT WAS IN HIS LATER ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT HE GAVE, THE FIRST ONE WAS $7,000. 
          SO NOT, NOT TO DIG, WHEN I DID THIS BEFORE, HE SENT HIS BUDGET IN WHEN I'D CIRCULATED THIS, BUT A DEADLINE. 
          THE DEADLINE WAS IN MAY, AND I MET MY DEADLINE. 
          DID YOU MAKE THE LAST YES, I DID. 
          THE LAST I'D HAD WAS SEEN WAS A $7,000 BID, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS RIDICULOUS. 
          AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I GOTTA BE ABLE TO FIND THIS FOR A COUPLE GRAND. 
          SO I PUT 2,500. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE DOOR? YOUR DOOR? I WOULD LIKE TO BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, FRANK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GLASS DOOR, ALL THOSE NICE PRETTY GLASS IN THERE. 
          I'VE NEVER REALLY EVEN LOOKED AT YOUR DOOR. 
          SEE, IT'S RIGHT OVER THERE, TO BE HONEST. 
          IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU, YOU JUST WANT ONE SIMILAR TO, TO EVERY OTHER. 
          WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? UH, BARRY HAS THAT DOOR LISTED UNDER HIS BUDGET. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE THAT ZERO? YES. 
          YES. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          LOOK AT THERE. 
          LOOK AT YOU CAN MAKE THAT ZERO GOES AWAY. 
          YEP. 
          UM, UH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, UM, I, I JUST LEFT IT WHAT IT WAS. 
          YEP. 
          CAPITAL OUTLAY. 
          I, ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT YEAR TO DATE WAS SPENT BEFORE I GOT IN, SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THOUGHT I'D JUST LEAVE IT AT WHAT IT WAS. 
          AND THEN, UM, BY THE WAY, ON UP ON THE TOP OF STUFF UP THERE, I, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT ME IN FOR 12,000 FOR GROUP INSURANCE, BUT I'M ON MEDICARE, SO I DON'T NEED GROUP INSURANCE. 
          THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS, SIR. 
          UM, WE BUDGET THAT ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          IT GOES INTO A POOL SO WE CAN PAY OUR BILLS. 
          SO WE, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT GO TO ZERO. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A HOW WE FUND OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WON'T USE IT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS A CAPITAL OUTLAY OF 4,000. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I'M PLANNING ON DOING? YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO. 
          CAN, CAN WE REMOVE THAT? I, IT'S FINE WITH ME. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S MAKE, UH, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T, 800 GO AWAY. 
          MY PREDECESSOR PUT USED $1,700 AND 70 12 CENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DID THAT FOR, BUT, UH, IS THERE THINGS I'M SUPPOSED TO BE WELL, NO. 
          ANY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO THAT REQUIRES A CAPITAL OUTLAY, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT. 
          BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SPEND IT ON, UM, WELL, BARRY, PUT MY BUFFALO UP, SO I DON'T NEED THAT . 
          NOPE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD ON A BUFFALO. 
          WE JUST NEED A DOOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. 
          YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, NO, YOU CAN TAKE IT OFF. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          MINE IS, UH, PRETTY SIMPLE, UH, REDUCED OFFICE SUPPLIES AGAIN, WHICH HELP YOURSELF IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE YOU WANT. 
          YEAH, WE, WE, WE COULD, UM, YEAH. 
          UH, POSTAGE. 
          UH, AND I WILL SAY, DO WANNA SPEAK BRIEFLY ON TRAVEL AND TRAINING. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I'M USING ALL MY TRAVEL AND TRAINING, BUT I'VE BEEN REIMBURSED FOR A COUPLE OF 
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TRAINING TRIPS THAT I'VE GONE TO FILL OUT THE FORMS. THEY, THEY REIMBURSE US. 
          SO, UH, I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT AT 4,000 JUST IN CASE I DON'T GET REIMBURSED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          I, I CAN LET THE COURT KNOW THAT. 
          UM, SO I, YOU'VE ALL SEEN MY COVER LETTER THAT, YOU KNOW, I ASK PEOPLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THINGS THAT THEY'VE, UH, JUST OUTTA HABIT HAVE BUDGETED AND NOT SPENT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. 
          UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA DO NOW THAT WE'RE DONE, IS JUST DIVE BACK IN. 
          AND, AND, AND IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO BREAK THOSE HABITS OF BEING IN, IN THE GOVERNMENT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I SPEND IT, MAYBE NOT WHERE I BUDGETED IT, BUT I'M, I KNOW I'M GONNA SPEND IT. 
          SO IT, IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PARADIGM SHIFT. 
          SO I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT, UH, LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND JUST COMING UP WITH THE LIST OF THINGS THAT, UH, ARE BUDGETED, BUT NOT SPENT YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THAT, THAT'S IT. 
          AM I THE LAST ONE? YES, TRULY THE LAST ONE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO AT 1134, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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