* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTROOM. IT IS 9:00 AM IT IS JULY 8TH, 2025. I'M GONNA CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER [A) INVOCATION] STACY TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION, AND THEN COMMISSIONER M**K TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. ALL RIGHT, SIR. SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE RECENT EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN TEXAS, I ASKED, UH, CASON TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY DO THE INVOCATION. SO, SIR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. WELL, CERTAINLY IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY. LET'S BOW OUR HEADS AND PRAY. MIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING, LORD, WITH OUR HEADS BOWED AND OUR HEARTS LIFTED UP, AND WE GIVE YOU THE GLORY AND THE HONOR FOR TODAY. LORD, WE LIFT UP KIRK COUNTY, WE LIFT UP OUR STATE IN THE MIDST OF THIS TRAGEDY. BUT LORD, WE DO. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, WE THANK YOU FOR WAKING US UP THIS MORNING AND FOR GIVING US A SOUND MIND AND GIVE US HEALTHY BODIES SO THAT WE CAN HELP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DOWN SOUTH. FATHER, AS WE GATHER IN THIS PLACE OF LEADERSHIP TODAY, WE ASK YOU TO REIGN YOUR WISDOM DOWN UPON THESE COMMISSIONERS IN THIS COURT. TOUCH EVERY MIND AND EVERY HEART, AND EVERY SOUL IN THIS ROOM. GOD OUR TONGUES, GOD OUR STEPS. AND LET OUR DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE BE PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT. LORD, I LIFT UP THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS THEY CONTINUE TO MANAGE THE COUNTY BUDGET AND EXPENDITURES, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR PUBLIC HEALTH, ROAD MAINTENANCE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. LORD, LORD, I, I COME SPECIFICALLY BEFORE YOU SEEKING VICTORY IN THE LAWSUIT RECENTLY FILED AGAINST OUR COUNTY. LORD. LORD, WE, WE KNOW YOU ARE A REFUGE. YOU'RE A DEFENDER, AND WE TRUST YOU IN JUSTICE, IN POWER, LORD, I PRAY, LORD, THAT THESE COMMISSIONER'S HEARTS WOULD BE LEANING INTO THE CAUSE OF THIS COUNTY AND LET TRUTH BE REVEALED AND RIGHTEOUSNESS PREVAIL. LORD, I ASK YOU TO GIVE 'EM STRENGTH AND COURAGE TODAY. LORD, I ASK YOU TO SILENCE EVERY FALSE ACCUSATION. EXPOSE EVERY LIE, LORD, LET YOUR FAVOR REST UPON THEM AND LET THE OUTCOME BRING GLORY TO YOUR NAME. LORD, IF THEY HAVE AIRED, GUIDE THEM TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, LORD, IF THEY'RE BEING WRONG, BE THEIR SHIELD AND THEIR ADVOCATE. LORD, WE SURRENDER THIS BATTLE TO YOU, BELIEVING THAT VICTORY COMES FOR THE LORD AND LORD, WE KNOW THAT WITHOUT YOU, WE CAN DO NOTHING BUT WITH YOU ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. BLESS OUR COUNTIES, OUR FAMILIES, EVERY HOME REPRESENTED, COVER OUR COMMISSIONERS WITH YOUR GRACE AND MERCY. AND WHEN THE WORK GETS HARD, AND WHEN THE TIMES GET ROUGH, REMIND THEM, LORD, THAT YOU ARE THEIR SOURCE AND THEIR STRENGTH AND THE STRENGTH OF THEIR LIVES. AND WE GIVE YOU THANKS AND PRAISE AND DECLARE YOUR GLORY RIGHT NOW OVER ROCKWALL COUNTY. IT'S IN ALMIGHTY AND MATCHLESS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN AND AMEN. FLAG PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVIDUAL. GOD BLESS, TEXAS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, CASSON HUDDLESTON. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE'LL MOVE [1. PUBLIC FORUM] ON INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM. IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP. FIRST ON THE LIST IS MR. MARK KIPPET, AND ON DECK IS MAYOR BRIAN MCNEIL. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, CHAPLAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSPIRATIONAL WORDS. AND IT'S WITH THAT, YOUR SPIRIT AND THOSE COMMENTS. I BRING MY COMMENTS TO THE COURT AND I WANNA THANK THE COURT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU. UM, I WANNA PROVIDE SOME CANDID FEEDBACK THAT I'M RECEIVING, AND I'VE HEARD ACROSS OUR COUNTY THAT IT'S BEEN NOW 90 DAYS SINCE THE COURT ADOPTED THE ROCKWELL 2050 STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THE PATHWAY TO IMPLEMENTATION IS UNCLEAR. UH, ROCKWELL'S CHANGING AS WE KNOW, NORTH TEXAS IS RAPIDLY EXPANDING, AND THE COURT ENDORSED EXPANSION OF BOTH I 30 AND STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5 WILL BRING NEW PRESSURES THAT DROVE DEVELOPMENT IN COLLIN COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE. UH, AND THAT WILL BE FULLY THROATED HERE, UH, AND OVER THE WEEKEND, I, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU AN ARTICLE OUTTA THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, UH, NATIONAL ECONOMICS NEWSPAPER CONCERNING GROWTH IN NORTH TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY COLLIN COUNTY, AND DISCUSSING FRIS FRESCO. THE POINT BEING, UM, THE KEY TAKEAWAY IS THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING. AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH HOW COLLIN COUNTY IS DEVELOPED. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT COLLIN COUNTY TODAY AND ITS CITIES WITHIN IT, ARE INTENTIONALLY WHAT THE LEADERSHIP DESIGNED AND CREATED. [00:05:01] OUR PLAN IS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS IN COLLIN COUNTY. THAT'S BEEN STATED BASED ON THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR COUNTY, OUR CITIZENS, AND THEIR DESIRE TO PROTECT BOTH OUR UNIQUENESS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I'LL REMIND YOU, THE COUNTY HAS INVESTED NOW $300,000 TO GUIDE OUR FUTURE, CREATING A PLAN INVOLVED OVER A HUNDRED CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS WHO DEDICATED THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF THEIR FREE TIME PLUS INPUT FROM HUNDREDS OF OTHERS IN OUR COUNTY OVER THAT 18 MONTH PERIOD. IT WAS A LARGE, SWEEPING EFFORT. THE FRAMEWORK AND CONCLUSIONS OF THE PLAN HAVE BEEN STRONGLY ENDORSED BY AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF THE CITIZENS ACROSS OUR COUNTY AND UNANIMOUS, AND HAVE UNANIMOUSLY EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY IN DEVELOPMENT OF ITS INFRASTRUCTURE, OPEN SPACES, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT IS VERY CLEAR, AND THIS COURT HAS ENDORSED OUR DESIRE TO PRESERVE FAM FAMILY FRIENDLY COUNTRY ATMOSPHERE. UH, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF HARD WORK AND THE COLLABORATION OF THE COUNTY AND OUR CITIES, BUSINESSES, DEVELOPERS, THE REGION, OUR STATE OFFICIALS, ROCKWELL'S GROWING, AND TO AVOID THE DISASTROUS OUTCOMES THAT ARE EXIST IN OTHER PLACES. IT'S ALL AGREED THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB PLANNING WHILE MODERNIZING OUR COUNTY'S GOVERNMENT AND STAFF. THE PLAN PROVIDES THE KEY CAPABILITIES THIS COURT NEEDS TO THOUGHTFULLY MOVE THIS COUNTY FORWARD. THE MOVEMENT BY THE COUNTY STATE LEGISLATURE IS TO LIMIT COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL POWERS TO OVERSEE GROWTH AND, AND ALLOW US TO GOVERN OURSELVES. THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS PURPOSELY DESIGNED TO COUNTER THIS EFFORT. THE PLAN WAS ALSO DESIGNED TO BUILD TRUST IN GOVERNMENT BY PROMOTING TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN, TO HIGHLIGHT A CLEAR NEED. THERE'S A CANDIDLY, THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN OUR BUDGET AND WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE COURT HAS MADE REAL PROGRESS. UM, I GUESS I COULD BE HARSH, AND I DON'T, I TRY NOT TO BE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LACK OF FOCUS OF LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE COURT. SO I GUESS NOW IS THE TIME TO RETHINK THE IMPLEMENTATION. PURELY THE APPROACH, THE APPROACH USED OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS IS NOT WORKING. ALMOST NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD. A NEW METHOD IS NEEDED, OR ALL MOMENTUM'S GONNA BE LOST. THE $300,000 OF TAXPAYERS HAVE INVESTED, WILL BE LOST AS ALONG WITH THE DEDICATION OF HUNDREDS OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS. OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS INEFFICIENT PART BY DESIGN PART BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, AND WE'RE FALLING BEHIND AND PLANNING ESPECIALLY ROADS AND IN GUIDING DEVELOPMENT. I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, AND HOPEFULLY MY SP MY COMMENTS ARE TAKEN IN THE SPIRIT INTENDED. OUR COUNTY LACKS STRATEGIC DEPTH AND ITS TIME IS ONE RESOURCE WE CAN'T REPLACE. WITH ROCKWELL GROWING AT OVER 5% EACH YEAR, ADDING FOUR TO FIVE FAMILIES EVERY DAY. UNLESS WE TAKE AGGRESSIVE ACTION NOW, WE'LL SOONER REGRET WHAT WE'VE LOST AND WE'LL ONLY HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF WHAT ROCKWELL USED TO BE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KIPPET. NEXT UP IS MAYOR BRIAN MCNEIL. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT THIS MORNING TO SPEAK ON A FEW THINGS, AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I GO OVER THE TIME BY A FEW MINUTES, SO I'LL TALK FASTER REAL QUICK. I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED PHASE TWO OF THE CLEANUP ON OUR SEWER LINE BREAK, AND THE PROCESS IS RUNNING SMOOTH AND AS EXPECTED, PHASE THREE IN THE FINAL PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'LL BEGIN ACTUALLY THIS WEEK. THE SOIL WILL THEN BE TESTED AGAIN AND RESULTS WILL SENT BE SENT TO TCQ, AND WE FEEL WE WILL BE IN THE ALL CLEAR, UH, WITH THE AREA BEING FULLY TREATED AND CLEANED. NEXT UP, I ATTENDED THE TML LEGISLATION UPDATE, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THERE IS STILL MUCH NEEDED WORK WHILE WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE IMPACT AS A COLLECTIVE BODY. I CAN TELL YOU THE ONE THING I PICKED UP IN THE MANY VISITS TO AUSTIN IS WE HAVE TO START YESTERDAY FOR TOMORROW, NOT TODAY. WE ARE ALREADY TOO LATE. AS IT IS, IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT WE REMAIN FOCUSED IN UNITED AS CITIES AND CITIES WITH THE COUNTY TO KEEP THE CHANNELS EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATED. WITH THOSE IN AUSTIN. I REMAIN COMMITTED TO CONTINUE TO BE ON THE FRONT LINES AND WORKING TO PROTECT NOT ONLY THE CITY I REPRESENT, [00:10:01] BUT ASSISTING IN THE OVERALL IMPACT OF POSITIVE OUTCOMES TO THE REST OF THE CITIES AND THE COUNTIES WE ALL CALL HOME. I APOLOGIZE, I'M TIRED, SO IF I SOUND NOT AS ENTHUSIASTIC, I APOLOGIZE. THE NEXT ONE IS A TWO PART ONE, I SEE THE RENOVATION PLANS FOR THE SHERIFF SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I ALSO SEE THE STRATEGIC PLAN PARTS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. NOW, PAUSE WITH ME JUST FOR A SECOND. WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE TRAGEDY UNFOLD IN THE HILL COUNTRY. WE'VE ALL SEEN THE DEVASTATION, THE LOSS OF LIFE, AND THE HEARTACHE HAS BEEN FELT BY ALL WHILE. WE MAY BE UNITED AS A COUNTY IN THE EFFORTS TO SEND RELIEF OF SOME SORT FROM OUR COUNTY TO THEM. LET ME ASK THIS. DO WE WANT TO BE A WHAT IF OR AM I GLAD WE PREPARED RESPONSE? THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, GETS THE MAJORITY OF THE CALLS IN THIS COUNTY, AND THAT'S JUST A GUESS, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS, THEY DEAL WITH THE MOST ISSUES THAT WE ARE GLAD THEY ARE THERE FOR, AND YET WE WANT TO POSSIBLY DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO GET THEM MORE WITH LESS. WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND TO THOSE THAT ARE ON THE STREETS DAILY DEALING WITH WHAT WE ONLY WANNA READ ABOUT? IF IT WERE ME UP THERE, I BET I WOULD FIGURE IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SEE THAT, SEE, THE WORST IN SOCIETY ARE TAKEN CARE OF. WHILE I DO RESPECT THE BUDGET, IS I HAVE TO HANDLE ONE MYSELF. I KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST RESPONDERS, I TYPICALLY FIND MYSELF NOT QUESTIONING THE OUTCOME. I TRY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I ALSO RECALL PRETTY MUCH ALL THE COMMISSION AT THE, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING 2050 MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS. I RECALL THE SHERIFF AT THESE MEETINGS AS WELL, AND IT SEEMED EVERYONE VALUED THE INPUT. AND MOST OF THE TIME THERE WERE MORE REASONS WHEN IT CAME TO THE SHERIFF AND THE DA INPUT ON CRIME AND SAFETY. AND YET HERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINISH A PROJECT FOR THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THEY ASKED FOR ALSO IS AN INTEL ANALYST. AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE IMPORTANCE TO GO BACK TO. I'M GLAD WE WERE PREPARED AND NOT WHAT IF, BACK TO THE TRAGEDY IN THE HILL COUNTRY, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT THE ROCKWELL COUNTY IS SHOWING UP BIG. WHAT STARTED AS A QUICK HIT WITH A LETTER FROM MYSELF TO THE MAYOR OF KERRVILLE, ENDED UP TALKING TO THE BATTALION CHIEF ON THE GROUND THERE BY THE NAME OF JARON FLOYD, THEN JULIE, WITH THE EOC, COORDINATING WITH THE SALVATION ARMY IN KERRVILLE. WE'VE WORKED WITH LOWE'S, HOME DEPOT, WALMART, BAYLOR SCOTT, AND WHITE ROY CITY, ROY CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, ROCKWALL COUNTY, OR ROCKWALL COUNTY, ROCKWALL FIRE DEPARTMENT, HEATH, DPS, CITY OF HEATH, UH, ROCKWALL COUNTY OFFICER, EMERGENCY MOUNTING MANAGEMENT. COMMISSIONERS JUDGE, CITY OF MCCLENNAN, CHISHOLM MCCLENNAN, CHISHOLM FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALL HELPED IN AN EFFORT. AND WE WILL BE DEPARTING TOMORROW AT ZERO FIVE FROM THE MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SHOW KERRVILLE THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY HEARS YOU. AND WE ARE COMING TO BRING YOU SOME SORT OF RELIEF. THIS IS THE COUNTY I KNOW. THIS IS THE COUNTY I LOVE AND ADMIRE. LET'S CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THE HILL COUNTRY. THE FAMILY'S IMPACTED THE FIRST RESPONDERS AS WE STEP OFF EARLY TOMORROW. PLEASE KEEP US IN YOUR PRAYERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON ANY COUNTY MATTERS? SEEING NO ONE? WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM [2. Discussion of 89th Legislative Session, Update/Overview County-related bills, action on resolution in support of or opposition to any pending actions or bills, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)] NUMBER TWO, DISCUSSION OF THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE SLASH OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS ACTION ON RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY PENDING ACTIONS OR BILLS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. HISTORICALLY, I START WITH COMMISSIONER ALANA . OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, NOT, UH, NOT, NOT A TON HAS CHANGED SINCE OUR, OUR LAST COURT REALLY. WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THIS SPECIAL SESSION TO KICK OFF IN AUSTIN ON THE 21ST. UM, THERE'S SIX BILLS THAT WERE VETOED THAT ARE ON THE CALL NOW. UH, THERE WILL BE MORE STUFF ADDED TO THE CALL JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. THE GOVERNOR CAN ADD TO THE CALL, UM, NOW OR ANYTIME DURING THE SPECIAL SESSION. THE ONLY RULE IS THE SESSION CAN'T GO LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, BUT HE COULD CALL ANOTHER ONE. SO I WOULD EXPECT THERE TO BE MORE ADDED. I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ADDING, UM, CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING, UH, TO THE CALL THAT IS GONNA BE ADDED EITHER TO THIS CALL OR TO ANOTHER SPECIAL. I AM 99% SURE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THAT'S HAPPENING. UM, AND THERE MAY BE A FEW OTHER THINGS ADDED, UM, BUT NOT AS CONSEQUENTIAL AS THAT, THAT ONE WILL BE, UM, THAT ONE WILL BE INTERESTING FOR US HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. I BELIEVE THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER M**K, I SEE OUR TAX ASSESSOR HERE IN THE COURTROOM AND WELCOME KIM. SWEET. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO BRING OUT IS THAT IN THE MOST RECENT COUNT, TEXAS COUNTY PROGRESS MAGAZINE, THE, UM, COUNTY JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE A LEGISLATIVE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY ARE, UM, TAKING THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE PUT [00:15:01] A, UM, UM, A ROAD AND BRIDGE FEE, UH, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET PASSED BEFORE AND GET IT PASSED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST IF THEY CAN. THE, THE FEE FOR, UM, REGISTERING YOUR CARS, THAT $10 OF THE, OF THE FEE, THE REGISTRATION FEE HAS SINCE 1991, HAS GONE TO THE, UM, TO YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE, YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE ACCOUNT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, UM, THE COUNTY. AND THEY ARE WANTING, AND THAT'S SINCE 1991. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RAISE IT TO $20 PER VEHICLE. AND, UM, I DID CONTACT OUR AUDITOR YESTERDAY AND VISITED WITH HER A LITTLE BIT. AND I THINK, UM, IF I'M CORRECT, UM, WE, WE RIGHT NOW ARE GETTING ABOUT 1.2 MILLION IN THAT FEE. SO IF THIS DOES PASS AND IT DOES PASS AT THE, THE REQUESTED AMOUNT, THAT WOULD BE A NICE LITTLE, UM, AMOUNT FOR OUR ROADS, OUR COUNTY ROADS COMMISSIONER LICHTY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. AS YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT ROADS AND BRIDGES. I KNOW YOU DO. WE ALL DO. WE ALL DO. IT'S FAIRLY OBVIOUS. AND THE REASON FOR THAT INCREASE TOO IS THAT IT JUST, FOR THE PUBLIC, THE COST OF ROADS IS MORE THAN DOUBLED OH, YEAH. DURING THIS TIMEFRAME. SO THIS IS NOT A, A, A, A, UH, UNNECESSARY REACH. THIS IS JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE INFLATION HAS BROUGHT US REALLY WITH, WITH THIS, RIGHT? WHAT, $1.2 MILLION DOESN'T DO A LOT OF ROADS, BUT IT DOES MORE THAN ZERO, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND BASED ON HOW, HOW, HOW ROCKWELL COUNTY'S GONNA GROW, WE CAN SEE THAT NUMBER JUST CONTINUING TO INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, ANOTHER THING, THE STATE OF TECH, THE SECRETARY OF THE STATE, SHE DID ANNOUNCE THE BALLOT ORDER FOR THE 17 PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT WILL APPEAR ON THE NOVEMBER 4TH, UM, ELECTION BALLOT. SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE, THE ORDER THAT THOSE ARE IN, YOU CAN FIND THOSE ON HER WEBSITE. UM, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO HOLD A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING, HEARING MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, JULY THE 23RD AT TWO O'CLOCK. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ON REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 2026 UNIT, UM, UTP, WHICH IS THE UNIFIED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, UM, THAT GUIDES THE PLANNING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRANSPORTATION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND, UM, I HAVE LOOK, ALREADY LOOKED OVER THE PROPOSAL, AND I'M SURE MOST SOME OF US ON THIS COURT HAVE AS WELL. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING OR IN THE ROOM TODAY TO GO TO THE T DOT, UM, WEBSITE. AND YOU'LL SEE A, I, I'M NOT GONNA READ IT, BUT YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT HAS THE UTP. AND IF YOU LOOK AT UTPI WILL TAKE YOU TO THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WHERE YOU CAN READ AND LOOK AT THE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT. UM, AND THEN THE, UM, THE LAST ONE IS SOME GOOD NEWS. I GUESS IT JUST GOES BACK TO HOW POPULAR TEXAS IS AND THE GROWTH. BUT THE COMPTROLLER DID ANNOUNCE THAT OUR STATE SALES TAX REVENUE TOTALED 4.04 BILLION IN JUNE, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE OF 2.5% OVER JUNE OF LAST YEAR. THAT'S A MODERATE GROWTH OVER, UM, THE COLLECTIONS, UM, FOR BOTH APRIL AND MAY. BUT THE REAL THING IS THAT I, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF IT, BUT IS THAT, UM, THIS, THAT, UM, OUR TOTAL TAX COLLECTIONS GREW 4.8% OVER THE SAME TIME PERIOD. AND THAT, UM, THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS GOING TO BE A TREND OVER THE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE. SO THAT'S A POSITIVE AND A NEGATIVE TOO, HOWEVER WE WANNA LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO GO OVER LEGISLATIVELY? UH, YEAH, SURE DO. UM, ONE THING, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK A LOT FOR GOOD THINGS IN LIFE. AND, UM, ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT IN THE BUDGET WAS PASSED, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION WILL RECEIVE $100 MILLION FOR GRANTS FOR COURTHOUSE PRESERVATION ACROSS THE STATE. UM, AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DOING SOME THINGS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR HERE, HISTORICALLY, AND WITH THE JAIL. AND I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO THE, UH, CHAIRMAN OF OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION, OR ROCKWELL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION, LETTING HIM KNOW THIS AND ASKING HIM TO GET TOGETHER A GROUP FROM OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO LOOK AT HOW WE MIGHT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THAT GRANT MONEY AND DO SOMETHING, UH, TO IMPROVE AND RESTORE OUR COURTHOUSE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT ON LEGISLATION. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER STACY, I'M JUST IN WAIT AND SEE MODE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. GOT IT. SO, REAL BRIEFLY, I WANT TO GO OVER HOUSE BILL 1522, WHICH WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COUNTY AND ALL COUNTIES. THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THAT, THAT, UH, UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A CLARIFICATION. SO HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE POST OUR MEETING, UM, OUR MEETING AGENDA, IT HAS TO BE DONE 72 HOURS PRIOR TO OUR MEETING. UH, NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THREE BUSINESS DAYS. IT MAY SEEM LIKE A SMALL MATTER, [00:20:01] AND, AND PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME MAY BE SAYING, WELL, THREE BUSINESS DAYS IS 72 HOURS WHEN YOU MEET ON TUESDAY, AND YOU DON'T GET TO COUNT THE WEEKENDS AS POSTING. UH, EFFECTIVELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO POST MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAYS, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE MEETING THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY. SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I, I, UH, VACILLATE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN BEING REALLY STRICT AND THEN BEING REALLY LOOSE IS PEOPLE GETTING AGENDA ITEMS IN AND GETTING THEIR BACK IN. UH, AND, AND I READILY ADMIT THAT I, I TIGHTEN IT DOWN AND SAY, NOPE, YOU MI YOU MISSED IT. YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE NEXT ONE AND DO BETTER NEXT TIME TO WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. UH, THE, THE STATE IS REMOVED THAT WIGGLE ROOM, SO WE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THINGS IN BY TUESDAY SO WE CAN HAVE 'EM POSTED BY WEDNESDAY. UH, OR, OR WE ARE GONNA BE IN VIOLATION, WHICH IS A BIG, BIG NO-NO, CAN'T BE IN VIOLATION. SO CAN, CAN I, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON ONE? SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTORS, OUR SUBCONTRACTORS WHO ARE MAKING PRESENTATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, OR ANY, AND THEY BRING, AND THEY, THEY'RE EMAILING US STUFF AT 7:00 AM THIS MORNING THAT'S GOING TO BE IN HERE. DOES THAT, IS THAT INCLUDED? NO, WE, WE HAVE TO GET THE AGENDA POSTED SO THE BACKUP CAN, CAN COME LATER. OKAY. BUT WE, WE HAVE TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AND WHEN. UM, SO THAT, OKAY. WELL, IT'S, THAT'S FINE. SOMETIMES IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO, OH, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR EVERYBODY, FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW, IN TWO AND A HALF HOURS, THREE HOURS WHEN WE'RE JUST GETTING SOME DATA TO LOOK AT TOO. NO, I, I'M, I AM FULLY AWARE IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL, WHAT, WHAT STARTED ME BEING STRICT ON THIS IS WE, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND, AND MYSELF DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO OVER THINGS TO WHERE WE COULD COME AND, AND HONOR THE SPIRIT OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO WHERE WE COULD HAVE AN OPEN, EXCUSE ME, AN OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATION AND MAKE DECISIONS OUT IN THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHENEVER WE'RE, WE'RE, AS YOU SAY, REVIEWING IT TWO HOURS BEFORE. WE, WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION THEN. UH, SO, UH, THIS SHOULD, SHOULD HELP THAT TWO SEPARATE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THE BACKUP STUFF. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE. YOU, YOU GOTTA GET IT HERE, UH, IN TIME FOR US TO REVIEW IT. OKAY. UM, IF, IF WE'RE MAKING A DECISION, UH, I, WE NEED TO HAVE IT IN TIME TO DIGEST AND ASK QUESTIONS. SO THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY UPDATE THAT GOES INTO EFFECT. SEPTEMBER 1ST, UH, HAS BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR. SO, UH, ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES LISTENING, , WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BEING HARD. THIS IS, THIS IS THE STATE FORCING THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM [3. Discuss/ Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana) ] THREE, DISCUSSING ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE COURTROOM EDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER ANA ON UP. SAL, I DIDN'T GET YOUR BACKUP MUSIC. COMPLETELY FORGOT. I FORGOT ABOUT IT. IT'S COMING NEXT TIME. YEAH. UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF UPDATES OTHER THAN IT'S MAKING PROGRESS ON TIME. UH, NO MORE SURPRISES. UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE PCOS THAT ARE READY FOR, UM, TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT COURT. UM, THE MOST RECENT PAY UP HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECT. AND, UH, I'M DOING MY REVIEW AFTER THIS MEETING. UM, SO THAT'LL BE RECOMMENDED FOR PAYMENT, HOPEFULLY HERE TODAY. UM, BUT THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE. OTHER THAN THAT, NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? THANKS SAL. WE'LL MOVE ON [4. Discuss/ Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the planned County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AN ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE PLANNED COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, UM, THIS BUILDING IS, UH, STARTING TO GET CLOSE. UM, IT'S KIND OF EXCITING. WE'RE STARTING TO DO A LOT OF, UH, MOVE PLANNING AND MOVE SCHEDULING. UM, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, THE NEXT COURT. I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY CLOSE, UH, TO THE END. SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST BUYING NICO SOME TIME TO PLUG IN HIS, UH, PRESENTATION. BUT, UM, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN EXCITING TO, TO SEE THE BUILDING SHAPE UP, SEE THE FURNITURE BEING DELIVERED AND, AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY COOL. SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET NICO KIND OF TAKE IT FROM HERE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE NEW FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME UP AND GIVE THIS BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ROCK WALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT. UH, THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO REPORT ON IN TERMS OF SAFETY. UH, WE ARE STILL PERFORMING UNDER BUDGET ON THE PROJECT. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL PCOS APPROVED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE. UH, THOSE YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SCREEN. THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE YET TO BEEN APPROVED [00:25:01] ARE PCO 52, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE SHORTLY. AND PCO 59, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A DRAFT PCO FOR THE MOVE IN COSTS, UM, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW SITTING AROUND $32,000, WHICH IS WELL UNDER OUR $60,000 ALLOWANCE FOR MOVE-IN COSTS. WE ARE ON SCHEDULE WITH CONSTRUCTION WITH NO DELAYS TO REPORT ON THE LAST FEW WEEKS. UH, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON WE, THE FURNITURE INSTALLATION, UH, AUDIO VISUAL INSTALLATION HAS STARTED. LANDSCAPING IS COMPLETE. AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE WPS AND SWITCHES FOR, UH, THE COUNTY NETWORK. WPS IS WIRELESS ACCESS POINT. UM, SOME ONGOING ACTIVITIES. FINAL PAINTING OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF TRANSACTION WINDOWS FLOORING AND WALL BASE. UH, JUST FINISHING, FINISHING UP THOSE ITEMS. NEXT FEW WEEKS WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TURNING UP THE COUNTY NETWORK, UH, DOING SOME SECURITY TESTING AND COMMISSIONING AND ALSO WINDOW SHADES. UH, PROCUREMENT WISE, THE FURNITURE, THE FIRST FURNITURE DELIVERY WAS RECEIVED. UH, AND THEY'VE INSTALLED ON SITE. THE QA QC MOCKUP HAS BEEN REMOVED AND DEMOLISHED FROM THE SITE. THE FIELD TRAILERS WILL BE REMOVED THIS WEEK AND WE ARE WORKING ON SCHEDULING THE PUNCH, THE OFFICIAL PUNCH WALK. SO WE ARE PROGRESSING AS, AS PLANNED AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS TO REPORT ON. HERE ARE A FEW PHOTOS. YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE ASSAD HAS BEEN PUT, HAS BEEN PLACED. UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE FURNITURE GOING IN THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM WITH THE PODIUMS AND CHAIRS AND SOME OF THE APPLIANCES HAVE ARRIVED AS WELL. IT'S GETTING REAL . ANY QUESTIONS? NO, IT, IT, UH, IT ALWAYS MAKES ME HAPPY WHEN YOU START SEEING THE, UH, PARKING LOT SWEEPERS OUT THERE AND HEAR THAT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS ARE GONNA BE MOVED. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM LETS YOU KNOW, THERE IS REALLY AN END IN SIGHT WHEN THEY TAKE THE TRAILERS AWAY. ABSOLUTELY. PRETTY EXCITING STUFF. IT IS DEFINITELY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT'S UP AND SORRY TO, IF I'M CATCHING YOU OFF GUARD IN YOU. NO WORRIES. THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IN A MINUTE, WHAT IS THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT OFFICE, INCLUDING THE LOBBY AREA? UH, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SAL IS FRANTICALLY GETTING ON HIS IPAD RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE DO HAVE AN ANSWER. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT ANY ANYONE CAN. NO, THAT'S WHY I APOLOGIZE FOR CATCHING YOU OFF GUARD ON IT. YEAH, NO WORRIES. SAL, DO YOU HAVE THAT ? I'M LOOKING FOR IT. OKAY. MY RECOLLECTION WAS IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE OFFICE. YES, SIR. WITH PLENTY OF WAITING AREA. YEAH. THANK YOU. DO YOU STILL NEED THE NUMBERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THEY HAVE IT, I'D LOVE TO GET IT, . OKAY, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT, KEEP ON KEEPING ON. THANK YOU, NICO. YEP. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA [5. Discuss/Act on approving Proposed Change Order No. 52 to the agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction Group for the County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] ITEM NUMBER FIVE. DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 52 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH, SO, UM, THIS IS THE NEMO Q UH, SYSTEM. THIS WAS ALWAYS IN THE PLAN, UM, FOR US TO DO. THIS ISN'T NEW. WHAT KIND OF HAPPENED IS AS YOU GET CLOSER, YOU REALIZE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY FUND THIS, SO TO SPEAK. IT'S JUST WE KNEW IT WAS COMING. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR. UM, WE KNEW THE COST. UM, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO IS PUT IT IN THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY. UM, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A HUGE BUILDING, IT JUST WASN'T, UM, THE TAX OFFICE IS VERY CONFUSING TO THE BUILDING TEAM. AND I'M HILL AND WILKINSON ISN'T HERE TO, UM, TO, TO, TO SAY IT, BUT THERE WAS, THERE'S BEEN JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THE STATE BEING INVOLVED AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE OWNER. AND SO ANYWAYS, IT'S JUST, THERE'S SO MUCH TO COORDINATE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THE NEMO Q SYSTEM. THIS IS A QUEUING SYSTEM TO MAKE THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE GO, UH, MORE EFFICIENTLY. UM, [00:30:01] THIS IS THE KIOSK. THIS IS THE KIOSK, OKAY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PLAN, BUT FOR SOME REASON HERE WE ARE FUNDING IT AND PUTTING IT IN THE PROJECT. SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. I, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT SIGNING OFF EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALWAYS BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE IT IS OVER HALF OF WHAT I'M AUTHORIZED TO DO. AND WITH ALL THESE TRADES TRYING TO ROLL THROUGH, I JUST WAS KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT, UM, GOING OVER OR BEING UP AGAINST MY BUDGET. I, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. UH, UH, ABOUT IT. UH, DO, IS THE EQUIPMENT ON ITS WAY HERE? IS THERE ANY, ARE ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE, IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE KIOSK HERE? YEAH. YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE APPROVE IT, WE'LL HAVE IT HERE IN TIME. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE WAITING TO RELEASE IT UNTIL IT'S APPROVED. AND, AND WHEN IS THE TAX OFFICE MOVING? YEAH, TO BE DETERMINED? IT IS TO BE DETERMINED, SO, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, WHO, WHO ELSE HAS QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOU. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. WHAT I'M GONNA ASK. OKAY. UM, SO THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND COMMISSIONER STACEY, UH, THANKS FOR NOT SIGNING OFF ON THIS. YEAH. UM, I HAVE, I WANNA POINT SOMETHING OUT BEFORE I TO, AS A STARTER HERE. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WERE I BEING ASKED TO DO TODAY IS APPROVE $33,419 OF SPENDING IMMEDIATELY. OKAY? THEN WE'RE BEING, WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WILL BE SIGNING ON FOR AN ANNUAL FEE NEXT YEAR. AND I ASSUME EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT, IF NOT HIGHER, OF $17,836. OKAY. UM, AND THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS TO RELIEVE THE LINES IN THE BUILDING. AND THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT ROOM IS 'CAUSE WHEN WE DID OUR TOUR, IT SEEMED TO ME IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE ROOM AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE FURNITURE IN THERE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN ON. AND, UM, SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ADEQUATELY SIZED TO ME. NONE OF US KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING AND OUR COUNTY'S GROWING. SO I LOOKED AT THIS AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, $33,000 SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO ME, BUT $17,000 A YEAR EVERY YEAR AFTERWARDS SEEMS LIKE EVEN MORE. UM, SO I WENT AND MET WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND I'M GLAD THAT, UH, MS. SWEET IS HERE, UH, SO THAT SHE CAN CORRECT ANYTHING I SAID THAT SHE MAY DISAGREE WITH. UM, AND ALSO SO I CAN GIVE HER THE SAME COMPLIMENT THAT I'VE GIVEN HER MANY TIMES. HERS IS ONE OF THE BEST RUN OFFICES IN OUR COUNTY, IN MY OPINION. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS EVEN NECESSARY. AND I GOT A VERY HONEST ANSWER FROM HER ASSISTANT, PETE, CORRECT? MM-HMM . THAT ANSWER WAS, NO, IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT IT WILL BENEFIT US. UM, AND THEY SAID IT WILL HELP US WITH HANDICAPPED, UM, TAGS AND DELIVERY OF THOSE TO FOLKS WHO ARE HANDICAPPED, WHICH IS A GOOD THING TO DO. AND IT WILL, UH, TRY AND KEEP PEOPLE CONFINED TO THAT ROOM, WHICH I DON'T PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WILL BE A PROBLEM 'CAUSE IT'S A BIG ROOM. UM, AND WE, BY THE WAY, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN THE 40 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY WITHOUT ANYTHING LIKE THIS. OKAY? SO MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, WHAT OTHER PROVIDERS DID WE LOOK AT? AND, UH, NICO, MAYBE YOU OR COMMISSIONER STACY CAN TELL ME DIFFERENTLY, BUT WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS THAT THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT'S USED BY MANY OTHER TAX OFFICES. AND SO WE DIDN'T BID IT OUT, WE SELECTED NEMO Q. OKAY. THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN I SAW THIS, AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, I WENT ONLINE AND FOUND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PROVIDERS FOR THIS KIND OF SERVICES, OKAY? AND SOME OF 'EM PROVIDE CHEAPER. I'M SURE THEY PROVIDE DIFFERENT BENEFITS TO THEIR SYSTEMS, BUT IT, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG MONEY DECISION IN MY OPINION. OKAY? UH, THE THIRD QUESTION I HAVE, IF WE GO WITH DM OQ, IS THIS THE BEST SOLUTION? BECAUSE ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. NOW I KNOW THAT WE ARE PROBABLY BEEN DEALING WITH THEM AND GETTING A CUSTOM OPTION FOR US, BUT THEY HAD THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THEIR BASIC PLAN, UH, WHICH THEY CALL THE ESSENTIALS IS $290 A MONTH. OKAY? TO NOTIFY PEOPLE WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN TO COME UP. $290 A MONTH OVER 12 MONTHS TRANSLATES INTO $3,480, WHICH IS [00:35:01] A LOT LESS THAN 17,000. UM, EIGHT HUNDRED THIRTY, EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX THIRTY $6. OKAY? SO WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FROM THE NEXT SYSTEM? MY QUESTION, AS I SAID, MY THIRD QUESTION, IS THIS THE BEST PLAN IF WE GO WITH NEMO? WELL, IT APPEARS AND APPEARS FROM THEIR WEBSITE AND FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH, UH, KIM AND PETE, THAT THE BIGGEST THING THIS ADDS IS AN ABILITY TO TEXT PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THE ROOM AND TELLING 'EM IT'S THEIR TURN. OKAY, WELL, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS, UH, A BUDGET OF 50,000 TEXTS PER MONTH, WHICH COSTS US $12,265 A YEAR FOR THAT CAPACITY. AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET, BE SENDING 50,000 TEXTS A MONTH TO PEOPLE SITTING IN THE WAITING ROOM IF WE EVEN NEED TO SEND THEM TEXTS. AND $12,265 A YEAR IS A LOT OF MONEY. NOW. NOBODY KNOWS HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK. NOBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH IT, BUT JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN LIFE, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO START WITH SOMETHING SMALLER AND LESS EXPENSIVE AND ADD ON IF WE NEED TO THAN IT IS TO START WITH SOMETHING MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE DELUXE, AND THEN TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY LATER. SO, UM, APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS, COMMISSIONER STACY ON WORKING ON THIS, AND I THANK AGAIN, MS. SWEET AND PETE FOR THEIR TIME. THEY SPENT WITH ME YESTERDAY, BUT I THINK WE EITHER HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, UM, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD WITH HIS EXPENDITURE. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO, BUT I'LL WAIT FOR KIM AND PETE TO COME UP BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FOR THEM. SO WILL, UM, WILL THIS NEMO QUEUE SYSTEM, IS IT GONNA HELP YOU REDUCE PERSONNEL COSTS IN ANY WAY? IT'S THE ONLY REASON I DID NOT ASK FOR EMPLOYEES THIS BUDGET. OKAY. THERE'S A GOOD ONE. HOW, HOW, SO I, I KNOW FROM BEING HERE HOW OFTEN YOU HAVE A LONG LINE, AND I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES AND THERE'S A LONG LINE WILL WITHOUT THIS NEMO QUEUE SYSTEM, JUST HAVING THE NEW SPACE, WILL THAT IMPROVE YOUR EFFICIENCY IN THE NEW BUILDING? LIKE TAKE THE NEMO QUEUE OUT OR WILL NO. OR WILL THE NEMO QUEUE BE A REASON YOU IMPROVE EFFICIENCY? THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO HAVE THAT LARGE LOBBY WITHOUT THE NEMO QUEUE, BECAUSE WHO'S GOING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S NEXT? YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SYSTEM. DO YOU, AND THIS IS KIND OF A, A QUESTION YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO, BUT DO YOU SEE MORE OF, OF MORE CUSTOMERS BEING ABLE IN THE FUTURE TO GO ONLINE FOR THESE KIND OF ABSOLUTELY NEEDS SO THAT THEY AREN'T IN YOUR LOBBY AT ALL? AND COULD WE, COULD WE HELP DIRECT PEOPLE THAT DIRECTION MORE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE PEOPLE COMING INTO YOUR OFFICE? YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN IN DOWN THERE WHEN THERE'S LONG LINES AND MOST OF YOU SEE THAT I'M OUT IN THE HALLWAY WHEN THERE'S LONG LINES AND I'M LITERALLY GIVING THEM THE WEBSITE, GO HOME, RENEW ONLINE. DON'T STAND IN THIS LINE. YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS FROM YOUR HOUSE. AND, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME. AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR THOUGHT, BUT WE ALSO ARE, WE ALSO HAVE APPROVED HER TO GO TALK TO SOME OF THE LOCAL GROCERY STORES AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. LIKE, CAN WE GET, CAN WE HELP YOU ADVERTISE IN THE PUBLIC TO MAKE IT MORE OF A KNOWN THING TO HELP YOU REDUCE SOME OF IT'S ACTUALLY ON THEIR BILL. THE STATEMENT THAT THEY GET FROM THE STATE IS, I SEE. TO DO ONLINE, PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION. YEAH. BUT THAT, THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T DO ONLINE, LIKE HANDICAP PLACARDS. SO WHEN I, WHEN I'M SITTING THERE AND I'M WATCHING THE CAMERAS AND I SEE AN ELDERLY PERSON STANDING IN LINE ON A WALKER, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND TAKE THEIR PLACE IN LINE AND AGREED. SET THEM DOWN. SO THIS, THIS DOES HELP US A LOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTION. YOU'RE I HAVE ONE QUICK, AND, AND ALSO ALL OF ALL OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. LIKE THE, THE MECHANICS OF IT ARE ALREADY INSTALLED IN THE BUILDING. THEY'VE ALREADY ACQUIRED THE PHONE NUMBER. SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATE IN THE GAME FOR US TO GO BACK AND SAY NIL IT. WELL, I THINK, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER TY'S POINT, WHICH I THINK IS A VALID POINT, IS, IS THIS THE BEST SERVICE CONTRACT GOING FORWARD? IT COULD TECHNICALLY BE THE SYSTEM FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, WE'RE TOO FAR IN TO UNDO COST-WISE. BUT IS THERE A BETTER SERVICE CONTRACT FOR US TO WORK THROUGH? CAN WE WORK WITH, WE COULD POSSIBLY DO WITHOUT SOME OF THE TEXT MESSAGING. I MEAN, WHEN WE WENT INTO THIS, WE WENT INTO THIS, THE WHOLE, IS IT THE ARPA FUNDS, THE, THE COVID WHATEVER, AND IF, [00:40:01] IF WERE ANY OF YOU HERE DURING COVID IN THIS BUILDING? NO, WE SAT OUTSIDE FOR MONTHS. I I I REMEMBER YOU SITTING OUTSIDE. YEAH, THE SIX FOOT LINE. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE TEXT MESSAGE. SO THAT IF SOMEBODY IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE AROUND A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY CAN GET INTO THE OFFICE, THEY CAN CHECK IN, THEY CAN GO SIT IN THEIR CAR AND WE CAN TEXT 'EM AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN COME IN NOW AND SPEND FIVE MINUTES INSTEAD OF 45 MINUTES AROUND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE AROUND IT. IT'S A COURTESY TO OUR CITIZENS, NOT TO US. WE WE'RE THERE REGARDLESS. SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO, WHO SELECTED NEMO Q IS THAT? I THINK WE DID JUST TALKING TO OTHER TAX OFFICES, JUST, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO, TO PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT, THAT HAVE IT AND EVERYBODY HAS REALLY PRAISED NEMO Q FOR THE, YOU KNOW, HOW EASY THEIR SYSTEM IS. AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO, WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. NOT EVERYONE IN MY OFFICE IS TRAINED TO DO EVERYTHING. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF AT DIFFERENT STAGES AS THEY COME IN. SO IF YOU'RE JUST THERE TO DO A REGISTRATION, ANYONE CAN HELP YOU. BUT IF YOU'RE THERE TO DO A BOAT, THERE'S ONLY MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP YOU WITHOUT THIS SYSTEM. YOU'RE GONNA GET CALLED TO A STATION OF SOMEBODY THAT CAN'T SYSTEM CAN'T PROVIDE YOU THE SERVICE THAT YOU NEED AT THE TIME. DOES THIS SYSTEM HAVE SPANISH CAPABILITIES? MM-HMM . PERFECT. WE'VE ALREADY PROGRAMMED THAT AS WELL. THE WAY I SEE IT IS, IS UM, THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE BECOME MORE EFFICIENT. WE'RE MOVING INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS A COUNTY. WE JUST TALKED OR, OR YEAH. MR. KIPPET JUST TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCY IN THE COUNTY AND MOVING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS IS ONE WAY YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD PERSONNEL BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THIS NEMO QUEUE. NO, NO. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DIDN'T ASK. SO WE ACTUALLY CHANGED OUR BUDGET. WE HAD ASKED FOR AN EMPLOYEE AND AT THE LAST MINUTE TOOK IT OFF THINKING THIS NEMO QUEUE IS GONNA STREAMLINE US A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WE MAY NOT NEED ANYONE. SO LET'S GIVE IT A WHIRL FOR A YEAR AND SEE IF IT WORKS. BUT JUST ON AVERAGE IN JUNE, UH, OUR OFFICE PROCESSED 12,043 TRANSACTIONS. YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS FOR EIGHT PEOPLE TO HANDLE. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE INVESTIGATE ONE THING. MAYBE IF WE CAN'T, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AVAILABLE, BUT DO WE, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED 50,000 SMSA MONTH. MAYBE THERE'S A PLAN THAT'S GOT 20 OR 15. I'M NOT SURE. WAS THAT THE MINIMUM THEY DID OR, OR IS 50 THE MINIMUM? NO, I THINK THERE ARE PACKAGES. WE SELECTED 50 BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, LAST MONTH THERE WERE 13, ALMOST 13,000 TRANSACTIONS. THE SYSTEM WANTS TO SEND FIVE TEXT MESSAGES PER TRANSACTION. WE HAVE PARED THAT DOWN. 'CAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE SURVEYS. I CERTAINLY DON'T. SO YEAH. UH, WE CAN GET THAT DOWN TO TWO. I DO ANTICIPATE THAT THAT IS ONE THAT IS LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE CAN REMOVE SOME OF THE, SO YOU COULD BE SOMEWHERE UP NEAR 25,000 JUST BASED ON LAST MONTH IF IT'S TWO PER TRANSACTION YEAH. OR SENDING TEXTS TO EVERY ONE OF 'EM. I BELIEVE THAT IS PROBABLY TRUE. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW GET IT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SIT IN THE LOBBY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TURN THEIR PHONE NUMBERS OVER TO A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. UNDERSTANDABLE. THEY WON'T NEED IT. PEOPLE WHO WANNA WAIT IN THEIR CAR OR RUN OVER TO DQ SURE THEY WILL USE IT. SO WE WILL FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THIS THING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GIVING UP SOME TEXT MESSAGES DOESN'T, DOESN'T HURT US AT ALL. LIKE, I DON'T WANNA HOLD ONTO A BUNCH OF TEXT MESSAGES. I CAN'T USE. OF COURSE NOT. YEAH. SO I JUST WANNA, I WANNA PARLAY A LITTLE BIT WITH COMMISSIONER LD OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALREADY WIRED AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALREADY WAY DOWN THE ROAD ON, ON THIS, ON THIS DECISION. AND, UM, SO I'M THINKING OF THE COSTCO WAY. OKAY? I GO AND I ORDER MY, MY GLASSES AND I GO IN AND I TAKE A LITTLE PAPER PAPER AND IT HAS A NUMBER ON IT AND THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE, A LITTLE, UM, OPERATION ON THE WALL AND IT SAYS NUMBER 33. AND IF I'M HOLDING NUMBER 33, I GO UP AND THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WORKING FOR ME. IS IS, IS, IS THERE OTHER WAYS THAT IF THIS, IF WE, BECAUSE I THINK 17, I THINK THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ON A ANNUAL BASIS AND THEN MULTIPLIED BY FIVE PLUS YEARS, 10 YEARS, THIS IS GONNA ADD UP. AND I THINK WE ALSO KNOW THAT MOST OF THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE EVERY YEAR WE GET AN INCREASE ON SOME TYPE OF A SERVICE THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM. SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE TO ASSUME THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY SEE THIS AS WELL. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE WE, I I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE HOW ARE GONNA BE SITTING IN THEIR CARS. I SEE THE VALUE IF THEY'RE SITTING IN THEIR CARS. OKAY. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT IN THERE, IF WE HAD ANOTHER WAY TO JUST FOR THEM TO BE ALERT AND SAY, OKAY, NUMBER 33, COME ON UP. WELL, AND THAT WORKS IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN CONTROL THAT NUMBER SYSTEM. SO THERE AGAIN, WHO THEN, THEN I WOULD NEED AN EMPLOYEE THAT CAN SET THERE ALL DAY [00:45:01] AND POINT TO A KIOSK AND THEN TO ASSIGN, LIKE THEY HAVE, HAVE Y'ALL EVER BEEN TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE IN GREENVILLE? MM-HMM . THERE'S A LITTLE TERRIBLE LITTLE MAN THAT STANDS AT THE FRONT DOOR THAT THAT'S ALL HE DOES ALL DAY LONG. SO I WOULD NEED THAT. SO IF IF Y'ALL WANT TO INSTEAD PAY FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT THEN, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE WAY THEY DO IT IS JUST WHOEVER JUST FINISHED WITH THEIR CUSTOMER AND THEY JUST HIT THE BUTTON, BUT YEAH. YEAH. WELL, WELL I APPRECIATE, UM, THE THOUGHT, DANA. UM, AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T SUGGEST THE COSTCO METHOD. THANK YOU . UM, BUT IT, THIS BRINGS UP A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME. UM, AND, AND ONE MORE THING BEFORE I GO THERE. UH, FOR THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, CAN WE SET UP AND USE THIS FOR PEOPLE TO DO APPOINTMENTS IN ADVANCE BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, WHAT WE'RE BUYING TODAY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. SO IF YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY'RE NOT, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER $20,000 A YEAR. UM, YOU CAN TELL I LOVE LICENSING AGREEMENTS. UM, LOOK, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T DO THIS. I, WE GOT, IT'S GOTTA HAVE SOME WAY TO BRING ORDER TO CHAOS. WHAT REALLY HAS, WHAT'S KIND OF SURPRISES ME HERE IS THAT WE'RE, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST DEAL AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS LET'S SPEND OUR MONEY WISELY AS WE'RE GONNA LEARN WHEN WE MOVE INTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SOMEBODY SAID THOUGH, THIS IS ARPA MONEY. YEAH, IT'S ARPA MONEY. GUESS WHAT? A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THAT ARPA MONEY, OKAY? WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. UM, AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO APPROVE SOME WAY FOR YOU GUYS TO IMPROVE ON YOUR SYSTEM AND NOT HAVE TO HIRE A PERSON. AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. BUT MY GUESS IS GETTING THE CADILLAC OR THE FERRARI OR WHATEVER THIS IS IN THEIR THREE TIER TEST OF PRODUCT IS NOT GONNA MAKE YOU REQUIRE A NEW PERSON. YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A SYSTEM. IF WE GO TO A MORE BASIC SYSTEM, YOU'LL STILL HAVE SOME WAY OF NOTIFYING PEOPLE, I WOULD THINK, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AND I, UH, LOOK, I'M NO EXPERT ON THIS. I JUST WENT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND SPENT ABOUT 20 MINUTES THERE AND THEN ABOUT 20 MINUTES ON SOMETHING CALLED Q MINDER, WHICH LOOKS LIKE THEIR BIG COMPETITOR. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY WISELY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING IT AND I DON'T WANNA SIGN UP TO A $17,000 A YEAR LICENSING FEE IF WE CAN DO IT FOR $3,480 A YEAR. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT, HOWEVER, WE JUST WERE MADE AWARE THAT THIS WAS EVEN COMING TO COURT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I I UNDERSTAND THAT AND COMMISSIONER SPACEY EXPLAINED WHY THAT HAPPENED AND I, I CAN'T HELP YOU THERE. I I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT ANY SOONER THAN YOU. I CAN'T EITHER. 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROVED, SO . YEAH. SO ANYWAY, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT, UM, SOMEBODY TAKE THE TIME TO TALK TO NEMO Q AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIND US A BETTER PRICE AND A BETTER PRODUCT. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED SMS SERVICES RIGHT AWAY. MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW YOU'LL BE COMING IN AND SAYING, COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS WRONG. WE REALLY NEED 50,000 TEXT MESSAGES A MONTH. YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'LL LOOK AT IT THEN. RIGHT NOW I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. SO, UM, AS I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T SEE A CONTRACT, I JUST, AND OBVIOUSLY NOT, NOT YOUR FAULT WE'RE FLYING LIGHT HERE. I I JUST SEE A QUOTE. UM, SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE YOUR INTENTIONS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF USING THIS TO LOOK AT, OKAY, DO WE NEED, 'CAUSE THE FIRST YEAR COVERS 50,000 THAT, THAT, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE FIRST YEAR'S PRICE AND THEN THEY JUST CARRIED THAT FORWARD FOR YEAR TWO. BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF WE DO APPROVE THIS, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK IN THAT SECOND YEAR AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY NEED HALF. UM, YES, THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED AND IN FACT, I'VE ALREADY ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD PROVIDE A, A CHANGE ORDER QUOTE, IF YOU WILL, TO REMOVE TEXT MESSAGING TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE. GOT IT. 'CAUSE THERE, THERE APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO GO DOWN BASED ON A NUMBER OF TEXT MESSAGES, THE SOFTWARE WARRANTY, THE HOSTING FEE, THE UH, UH, REPLACEMENT HARDWARE, REPLACEMENT WARRANTY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, WHETHER WE'RE DOING ONE OR 50,000. YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC THAT DOESN'T HAVE THIS CONTRACT IN FRONT OF 'EM, I MEAN $12,265 OF 17,836 IS TEXT MESSAGING. SO LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, LET'S JUST BE FAIR WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S GONNA BE THESE OTHER THINGS, THOSE OTHER THINGS ADD UP TO LIKE $4,800. WELL, AND AND JUST SO THEY KNOW THAT'S NOT A CONTRACT THAT THAT'S A QUOTE. YEAH, NO, I, THE CONTRACT WILL BE PAGES AND PAGES AND, [00:50:01] AND THAT'S BEFORE I SIGN THAT I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT OBLIGATING US TO A FIVE YEAR DEAL THAT WE CAN ON YEAR NUMBER TWO COME BACK AND SAY, WE DON'T NEED 50,000 CUT, CUT IT DOWN TO 10,000 OR, OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER RECENT HISTORY THAT WITH, UH, NEMO QII REALLY APPRECIATE IT WHEN I, I I LOVE TO AGREE WITH PEOPLE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY POINTING OUT THAT HE AGREES WITH ME. UM, BECAUSE WHAT I SAID WAS THE, THE TEXT MESSAGING IS 12,265. I SAID THEIR BASIC PROGRAM IS ABOUT IS 3,480. THAT'S JUST ON THE WEBSITE. I KNOW IT'LL BE DIFFERENT WHEN WE GET IT, BUT THAT'S THE BASE. SO WHEN HE SAYS IT'S ABOUT $4,000 A YEAR OF OTHER STUFF, I AGREE WE WILL PAY THAT AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. I JUST, UH, I JUST WOULD PREFER THAT WE, UH, START OUT AT A MORE REASONABLE PRICE IF WE COULD AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NUMBER. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ONLY CONTACTED THEM YESTERDAY TO FIND OUT IF THEY COULD GIVE US ANOTHER QUOTE. SO YES, YES. AND, AND, AND I DO, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, THE FULL TIMELINE, YOU HAD A COMMISSIONER KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR ON THURSDAY AT LIKE FOUR O'CLOCK SAYS, OH, BY THE WAY, UM, NEMO Q WASN'T APPROVED LIKE WE THOUGHT IT'S GONNA BE ON COURT. UM, AND THEN YOU HAD A COMMISSIONER SHOW UP ON MONDAY AND ASK YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT FAIR. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE BEEN SITTING FOR TWO WEEKS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. THIS IS SOMETHING NO, IT'S NEW. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S BLOWING AND GOING. SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TAKE NO ACTION, UM, ALLOW THE TAX ASSESSOR AND MYSELF TO, TO JUST, UH, BASICALLY, UM, GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY AND WILL BRING IT BACK, UH, IN TWO WEEKS. SO, UH, ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT, TAKING NO ACTION, NICO AND OR KIM AND OR PETE, DOES THAT PUT US ANY DILEMMAS OF GETTING THE EQUIPMENT, GETTING IT IN, GETTING IT INSTALLED IF WE WAIT TWO WEEKS TO PULL THE TRIGGER? UH, LEN WILKINSON DIDN'T INDICATE THAT THIS WAS A TIME SENSITIVE, UH, PCO, SO I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH HIM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IF WE WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR THE NEXT COURT TO GET IT APPROVED, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH TAKING NO ACTION AND, AND PUNTING FOR TWO MORE WEEKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. SO [6. Discuss/ Act on the Sheriff's remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY? YES. WHAT I'M GOING, YES, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, UH, I'M GONNA GO BACK THROUGH, UH, A POWERPOINT AND, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, MAKE SURE WE ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, ANYWAYS, JUST GIMME A SECOND. LEMME LOOK AT IT LOADED IN. OKAY, SO MY PLAN, WHICH I DID NOT GO OVER WITH THE TEAM IS, UM, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS AND THEN WHEN HE GETS INTO THE SPECIFICS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND, AND, AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF, THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE AND NICO IS HERE. THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM TO, UH, TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS. SO COURT, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WHAT IS ON COURT TODAY WOULD BE THE GMP CONTRACT FROM SCI CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALSO A CONTRACT FROM PARK HILL TO DO THE F, F AND E, WHICH IS ALL THE FURNITURE AND FINISHINGS AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF STUFF. THAT'S WHAT'S ON COURT. SO THESE ARE THE NEXT THREE AGENDA ITEMS. THOSE, THE NEXT THREE AGENDA ITEMS ARE BASICALLY ALL TIED TO ONE. SO, UM, I WANTED TO START, BECAUSE THE STRATEGIC PLAN DID COME UP. HERE ARE ALL THE POINTS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT MEET THE, UM, SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL. UM, 2.3, 2.2, 3.6, 6.1, 6.3 AND 6.4, UM, ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITH, UM, MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS 'CAUSE DISPATCH IS WITH NET COG THAT WE HAVE, UH, A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT CAN MEET THE DEMANDS OF POPULATION GROWTH. IT ALSO ENABLES, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO TRAIN WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND IT IS A, UH, EXPANSION FOR COUNTY DISASTER RESPONSE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND EOC ARE ALL UPGRADED IN THIS REMODEL PROJECT. SO THIS ISN'T JUST A, WE WANT TO ADD MONEY, WE WANT TO JUST DO ANYTHING. THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE FACILITY, UM, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTY. UM, HOW, UH, WE HAVE GOTTEN THERE, THIS IS THE CURRENT FUNDING. SO THIS IS AN AS IS, THIS IS NOT ANY, ANYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE $5.4 MILLION IN THIS PROJECT. WE GOT THERE BY THE REMAINING JAIL BONDS, ARPA TRANSFERS, AND GENERAL FUND TRANSFER IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET. SO AGAIN, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. [00:55:01] WE'RE AT, WE ARE AT 5.4 MILLION. I SEE COMMISSIONER LTI TAKING NOTES. SO I'M GONNA GIVE US A LITTLE PAUSE. SO, UM, I WRITE SLOW. NO, YOU'RE FINE. UM, SO HERE IS THE TOTAL ALL IN COST, UH, OF THE PROJECT. UM, IT'S 7.3 MILLION. THIS IS NOT THE GMP COST. THE GMP COST IS CONSTRUCTION ONLY. THIS INCLUDES ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS. THIS INCLUDES THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES. THIS INCLUDES NICO AS THE AGENT. THIS INCLUDES AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR. THIS INCLUDES, UM, UH, WHAT ELSE AM I LEAVING OUT? UH, DESIGN. DESIGN. ALL THE DESIGNING, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THIS. SO, SO THIS IS THE GMP PLUS ALL IN. UM, WE DO HAVE CONTRACTS. WE HAVE TWO MORE CONTRACTS IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT'LL BE ON THE NEXT COURT TIED TO THIS PROJECT. SO WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM A CONTRACT STANDPOINT. SO THIS IS A, A TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT. AND I JUST POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE GMP, THAT IS GONNA BE WITH SCI TO BUILD THE BUILDING, THOUGH NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THESE NUMBERS. 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS THE ALL IN COST. WHOOPS. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH A $1.8 MILLION SHORTFALL. UM, AND MY CLICKER STOPPED WORKING. YOU WANT ME TO HIT NEXT? I KNOW IT STOPPED, RIGHT? AND THIS SAYS HR, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH OUR HR DEPARTMENT? UM, OKAY, SO, SO MY GOAL IS, AND WAS AND STILL IS, UM, AS YOU SEE THERE, TO USE, UH, FUND BALANCE IN FY 26 TO FILL THE SHORTFALL. UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, GET THIS PROJECT OFF THE GROUND AND COMPLETED, UM, SO THAT WE CAN SPEND ALL OF OUR ARPA MONEY BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. UM, I DON'T, IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDE? I THINK THIS IS IT. THERE'S TWO MORE. OKAY. YEAH. GO TO THE NEXT ONES. YEAH. SO WE DOUBLE THE SPACE. WE FINISHED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UM, AND THEN WE USE A COMBINATION OF FUND BALANCE FROM FY 25 AND FY 26. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY ONE MORE THING AND THEN I'M, I'M GONNA COMPLETELY OPEN THIS UP FOR THE COURT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HERE ON THE BUDGET SIDE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE GMP. AND IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. I'LL TAKE US RIGHT INTO THE NEXT ITEM. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, WE, I DON'T WANT TO BE A COMMISSIONER THAT SITS AND BILLS BUILDINGS, ARPA CAME ALONG, GAVE US $20 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THAT $20 MILLION HAS AN, HAS ALLOWED US AT THIS POINT. WE'RE MAXIMIZING THAT INVESTMENT. IT ALLOWS US, WE ALREADY HAD A FACILITIES PLAN. SO PARK HILL WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. BARRY WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. THE PREVIOUS COURT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. THIS, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT $20 MILLION AND WE JUST DECIDED TO START BUILDING BUILDINGS. WE KNEW WHAT OUR FACILITY'S NEEDS WERE. WE BUILT THE ANNEX IN LINE WITH THE FACILITY NEEDS. WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME TEMPORARY HOUSING IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE ON YELLOW JACKET THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. WE KNOW WE NEED TO EXPAND THE DA'S OFFICE FOR THE EVER EXPANDING COURTS. ALL OF THIS IS AN EFFORT TO KEEP UP WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE, TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH. AND SO FAR, IF WE ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK, WE WILL HAVE BUILT AN ANNEX BUILDING, A RENOVATION, TWO COURTROOMS AND A SHERIFF WITHOUT TAKING DEBT AND WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE TAXES. WHICH I THINK IS AN INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT IF WE CAN GET THIS THROUGH. SO THAT'S, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SAY IS WE'RE USING A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COVID COVID RECOVERY GRANT AND TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT INVESTMENT INTO OUR COUNTY TO GET THE MOST WE CAN. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT NICO AND SAL AND, AND BARRY AND ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE ON THE ANNEX TO FREE UP AS MUCH ARPA MONEY AS POSSIBLE TO FINISH THE COURTROOM SO WE CAN GET THE DISTRICT COURT AND THEN TO LOOK AT BEING ABLE TO USE, UH, THE MONEY HERE ON THIS PROJECT. SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, DAN. YEAH. HI. UM, I'M DAN JONES WITH SCI, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. HELLO, DAN. HOW YOU DOING? DOING WELL. WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER? STACY? DAN OR NICO? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT HAS THE FUND BALANCE ON IT? WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FUND BALANCE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TH THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO USE FROM FY 25 AND GO TWO MORE SLIDES. I BELIEVE 2026. YEAH. SO THE FUND BALANCE FOR THIS YEAR IS ALREADY IN THERE. GO FORWARD. NO, I WANNA KNOW THE TOTAL. I, I WANNA, THERE IT IS. 1.8 0.43. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET TO WRITE THAT DOWN. SORRY. , JUST LEAVE IT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SHORT. OKAY. [01:00:01] NOW THAT'S, BUT THAT'S FOR A FY 25, NOT 26, OR WE ALREADY HAVE 1.3 OF THIS BUDGET IN THE PROJECT. THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE 5.4. SO YOU'RE WANTING TO USE THE, UH, THE REMAINING FROM FY 26? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, GOT THAT. AND THEN THE ONE, AND I LOVE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING THE STRATEGIC PLAN ON, ON HOW YOU STARTED IT OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE EOC EXPANSION. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS PART OF OUR, UM, OUR, OUR REQUEST FOR ARPA MONEY WITH THE ANNEX IT WHY WE HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE BUILD, THE, THE ROOM THAT CAN BE USED FOR EMERGENCIES. THE, THE, THE OPEN SPACE ROOM? NO, NO, I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT. NO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT. YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS FOR LIKE EIGHT MONTHS, BUT NO, THERE, THERE IS NO EOC IN THE ANNEX. OKAY. ORIGINALLY, HOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK, BACK, WE JUSTIFYING THAT SPACE THEN FOR ARPA MONEY. WHI WHICH SPACE ARE WE JUSTIFYING? THE, THE, THE OPEN SPACE IN THE ANNEX BUILDING PUSH MY, THE, THE OPEN SPACE IN THE ANNEX BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT WE'RE GONNA, IT'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM IN A MOMENT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S A LITTLE O OFF TOPIC, BUT, UH, WELL, BUT IT'S, IT WAS PART OF THE, OUR, THE ARPA REQUEST. IT, IT WAS GIVING THE CITIZENS A, A LARGER SPACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE ELECTIONS AND NOT ALL BE CRAMMED IN ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? WELL, I, I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER ELECTIONS. I MEAN, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKING SPACES TOO FOR ELECTIONS. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY HAVING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARKING TOO. SO THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M GREAT WITH THIS. I MEAN, EOCI THINK IT, IT KIND OF SUPPORTS THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR REQUEST ON OUR ARPA, ON OUR ARPA THAT, THAT WE HAD ON, WE SUBMITTED FOR OUR FUNDING. DIDN'T SAY THAT. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT DID. NO, THE ARPA JUSTIFICATION DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT EOC. OKAY. YEAH. I, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN THINKING. SO INITIALLY, UH, I WANTED TO USE ALL THE ARPA FUNDS TO EXPAND THE EOC AND HAVE A FIRE TRAINING CENTER. UH, AND, AND IT WAS REALLY, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY EVEN GONNA BE TWO STORIES AS I RECALL TOO. HERE COMES SAL, HE HAS SOME, YEAH. AND, AND THAT WAS, UH, VOTED DOWN. SO I, I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION IS THE ANNEX IS MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. WE DID TALK ABOUT IT BEING LIKE AN EMERGENCY WARMING CENTER, NOT AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER. SO IT'S GONNA BE ON EMERGENCY BACKUP POWER FOR THE GENERATOR, FOR THERE TO BE WARM OR HOT EVENINGS FOR THOSE THAT NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME AND GET WARM POWER PHONE, GET WATER, USE THE BATHROOM, UM, IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR. NOT AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER. THANK YOU, SAL. OKAY. THAT'S MY TWO QUESTIONS FOR THAT. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, NO ONE ELSE HAS AN I'M KIDDING. I THAT'S ALL GOING FOR IS MICROPHONE. . IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU. . UM, I HAVE A, I GUESS THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE. I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE DOING ON THIS ITEM SIX. YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. BECAUSE THE, THE GOOD THING IS THIS AGENDA ITEM IS SO GENERAL, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT UNDER THIS AGENDA ITEM. GREAT. YEAH, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THIS AGENDA ITEM'S GOING. SO I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UH, FREE REIGN THERE. UM, BEFORE WE GO, ANY FOR, BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ELSE, I WANNA SAY THAT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO REMODELING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I, AND I REALLY THANK COMMISSIONER STACEY FOR HIS HARD WORK. I REALLY DO. UM, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS. I LOVE PHASE ONE BECAUSE IF, UH, AND THANKS FOR COMMISSIONER FOR SITTING DOWN WITH ME EARLIER LAST WEEK AND WALKING THROUGH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT EACH PHASE, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL. UM, I LOVE PHASE ONE 'CAUSE WE'RE GAINING A LOT OF REAL ESTATE. OKAY. UM, I, I AM READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE GOING FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GAINING A LOT OF REAL ESTATE, BUT WE'RE SPENDING ALL THE ARPA MONEY AND EVERYBODY ON THIS BENCH. I THINK, ALTHOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETINGS, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BENCH WOULD AGREE, WE GOTTA SPEND THAT MONEY AND THIS IS A PLACE TO DO IT. SO I'M READY TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT HAS GROWN, UM, BEYOND WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. AND AS I SAID WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST ITEM, I AM REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE SPEND ALL OF OUR MONEY VERY WISELY. OKAY. UM, I HAD TO APOLOGIZE TO COMMISSIONER STACEY WHEN WE MET IN PRIVATE THAT I WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE HARSH WHEN HE SAID THAT WHEN I TOLD HIM HE WAS GIVING US AN ULTIMATUM. SO I WON'T USE THAT TERM, [01:05:01] BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRESENTED WITH AN UNNECESSARY F OF COMP PLEA HERE. UH, BE, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION. UM, I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THIS COURT FOR SIX MONTHS AND EIGHT DAYS. UM, BUT WHO'S COUNTING? UM, , SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP SO I COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND WE HAD ONE, WE HAD ONE, UH, IN JUNE. UM, BUT AT THAT TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE NUMBERS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF IT. I WAS COMMISSIONER STACY BEFORE I EVEN BECAME COMMISSIONER, WAS KIND ENOUGH TO TAKE ME OVER THERE AND DO A TOUR OF THE BUILDING WITH ME. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. I GOT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, BUT WE WERE PRESENTED COST INFORMATION LAST WEEK AND WE WERE PRESENTED COST INFORMATION THAT SAID IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN WE THOUGHT. AT LEAST MORE THAN WHAT I HAD THOUGHT. MAYBE YOU ALL FELT DIFFERENTLY. UM, AND THIS HAS GONE REALLY BEYOND WHAT IT SAYS. AND, UH, JUDGE NEU MADE A COMMENT LAST TIME, WHICH I AGREE WITH 90% OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING, WHICH IS WE HAVE A DUTY TO THE CITIZENS TO COMPLETE THIS REMODEL BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED IN A BOND. BUT DON'T FORGET THAT THAT REMODEL WAS INCLUDED IN THAT BOND AND WE'RE GOING WELL BEYOND THAT RIGHT NOW. E EVEN IF WE, EVEN IF ALL WE DID IS PHASE ONE, WE'RE GOING WELL BEYOND WHAT WAS PROMISED THE CITIZENS AND WHAT THE CITIZENS VOTED FOR. OKAY. AGAIN, NOT A PROBLEM. UM, I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER LEE GILBERT YESTERDAY TO GET HIS TAKE ON THIS. AND, UH, HE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT $800,000 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO COST. WELL, IT'S GONE FROM THAT. UM, AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, I GOT, WENT BACK AND LOOKED THROUGH THE RECORDS AND FOUND THAT IN SEPTEMBER 3RD, THIS COMMITTEE OR THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WELL, THE PRIOR ONE APPROVED TRANSFERRING OF $2 MILLION FROM FUND BALANCE INTO THIS PROJECT. AND AT THAT TIME, THE COST WAS STATED TO BE $4,510,480. A LOT OF MONEY, BUT WOULD'VE BEEN COVERED. AND THAT WAS ALL COVERED. TODAY, THAT COST IS ESTIMATED TO BE, UH, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER HERE? $7,282,168. SO FROM SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, TILL THIS YEAR IN JULY, WE HAVE GROWN, UM, ALMOST $3 MILLION IN COST. I KNOW EVERYTHING COSTS MORE. OKAY. UM, LAST YEAR, THE MONEY WAS TAKEN FROM THE FUND BALANCE. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TAKING MONEY FROM THE FUND BALANCE TODAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN TWO MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN WE APPROVE IT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GETTING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUND BALANCE IS GONNA BE. WE HAVE AN ITEM LATER ON WHERE COMMISSIONER STACY, OR I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER GOANA IS RECOMMENDING WE TAKE, I KNOW I'M TIRED TOO. NICO AND LISTENING TO ME TALK MAKES ME TIRED, SO NO PROBLEM. UM, RIGHT. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, UM, ITEM COMING UP WHERE COMMISSIONER GANA IS GONNA ASK US TO TAKE MONEY REMAINING IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET TO BUY CARS. A GREAT THING TO DO, GOOD USE OF MONEY. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR FUND BALANCE IS GONNA BE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. WHEN WAS THE COM UH, LISA, WHEN WAS THIS BOND FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE APPROVED? UH, IT WAS, WE ISSUED IN 2020. I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE WENT TO THE VOTERS. I COULDN'T BE EXACT ON THAT, BUT THE SERIES IS A 2020 SERIES. OKAY. SO WE ISSUED IN 2020. SO IT WAS APPROVED EITHER 2020 OR PRIOR TO THAT. OKAY. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW COSTS HAVE GONE UP. OKAY. AND GUESS WHAT? WE, WE APPROVED, THE VOTERS APPROVED A ROAD BOND IN 2021 THAT WE'VE ISSUED $0 ON. AND THAT I CAN JUST ABOUT BE SAFE IN PREDICTING ALL THOSE COSTS WILL HAVE GONE UP ALSO. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE FUN. IF WE WANNA FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION TO THE VOTERS ON THE 2021 TRIP BOND, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE MONEY, MORE EXPENSES THAN WE'VE GOT MONEY. THAT'S JUST REALITY. SO TAKING THIS MONEY FROM A FUND BALANCE IS A BIG DEAL. AND TAKING IT TODAY INSTEAD OF SEPTEMBER 30TH OR OCTOBER 1ST WHEN WE KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET'S GONNA BE, TO ME SEEMS LIKE A BIGGER DEAL. SO AGAIN, I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF IMPROVING AND REMODELING [01:10:01] THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I AM READY TO VOTE TODAY ON A PRO VOTE YES. ON SOMETHING THAT DOES, THAT SPENDS, UH, $5,438,895, WHICH WE'VE GOT SET ASIDE. THAT SOUNDS LIKE PHASES ONE AND PHASES TWO. UM, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE, TILL WE KNOW WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE IS GONNA BE AND WHAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE, I AM RETICENT TO TAKE MORE, ANOTHER 2 MILLION IN ADDITION TO THE 2 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS PROJECT. THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR. SO TYPICALLY WE'RE BUDGETING TO 98%. RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR COMFORT LEVEL ON USING FUND BALANCE FOR THIS? UM, I, THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, COURTS HAVE CHOSEN TO USE FUND BALANCE AND TO BUDGET A DEFICIT BUDGET BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEY'VE NEVER, THEY'VE ENDED UP COMING BACK WITH FUND BALANCE, RIGHT. SO, UH, FY 20 FOURS AUDIT, UM, YOU EARNED MONEY INSTEAD OF USING IT. SO IT'S A, BUT, BUT AS YOUR BUDGET GET GROWS, YOUR, YOU SAY YOU NEED FOUR TO SIX MONTHS COVERAGE, SO YOU NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. AND YOU'RE AT THAT CUSP WHERE YOU'RE AT THE SIX MONTH AS, AS YOUR BUDGET GETS INTO THE 50 MILLIONS, THEN YOU NEED 25 MILLION AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT IN THERE. SO, UH, I I I AGREE SOMEWHAT WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS SAYING, THAT UNTIL YOU CAN SEE THAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME OUT WITH, UH, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY GO AHEAD AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA USE FUND BALANCE, BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD THIS, THIS CI'S AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S ONLY, UH, ENCUMBERING 3.9 MILLION OF THAT WHICH YOU ALREADY HAVE. Y YES, THE VOTE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE WOULD ONLY BE BASICALLY FOR PHASE ONE, BUT WE WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD. IT'S COMING. I MEAN THE, THE THE, IT STILL HAS A $1.8 MILLION SHORTFALL. SO IF WE JUST START PHASE ONE, SURE WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. UM, BUT IT, AND IF WE NEVER FUND ANY OTHER PART, PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, WE'RE NOT CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DO THAT. UM, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE SEI SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HERE IN A SECOND. UM, BUT, BUT YES, I, I THINK THAT IN, IN, IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TAX RATE'S GONNA BE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WE TOOK 1.6 MILLION OUT OF LAST BUDGET AND STILL GAVE $2.5 MILLION BACK. UM, AND I, I JUST, THIS DOESN'T GIVE ME ANY PAUSE WITH HOW WE BUDGET, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE BUDGETING THAT WAY. AND THE REASON THAT I REALLY AM POINTING IT OUT ISN'T TO JUST BEAT IT HOME. IT'S JUST THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT FIGHTING OVER THE TAX RATE. WE CAN BE COMMITTED TO SEEING THIS PROJECT FROM START TO FINISH AND THEN JUST REPRIORITIZING OTHER THINGS. THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO ME. AND THAT'S WHY, UM, TRYING TO COME FORWARD WITH THAT BEING THE OPTION. AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS DON'T WE HAVE SOME, I GET, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE COMING IN, BUT WE DO HAVE A PROJECTION AS TO HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, UNDER BUDGET GOING THROUGH THIS CYCLE. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN REPLACE THIS FUND BALANCE MORE THAN LIKELY. CORRECT. THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING. THAT'S TRUE. BUT YOU ARE, UH, TALKING ABOUT TODAY ON A LATER AGENDA ITEM ABOUT REMOVING SOME OF THOSE CONTINGENCIES THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR FUND BALANCE. CORRECT. SO, UH, I I, I DON'T HAVE A A A CRYSTAL BALL TO, TO TELL YOU ALL I CAN SAY THAT'S YOUR JOB IS TO HAVE NO, I'M KIDDING. , ALL I CAN SAY IS, UH, IN MY TENURE AS AUDITOR, THIS THROUGH THE COURTS, THERE HAS BEEN ONE TIME THAT THEY ACTUALLY REALLY DID A DEFICIT BUDGET AND USED FUND BALANCE AND THAT WAS BUILDING THE LARGE COURTHOUSE, WHICH WAS STILL LESS FUND BALANCE THAN THEY EXPECTED TO USE. YEAH. UM, AND I WILL GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY'S LAST COMMENT WAS. I AGREE WITH HIM. WHAT WAS YOUR LAST COMMENT? . , BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. THAT GOT FREE RANGE NOW TO SAY WHATEVER YOU THINK YOU SHOULD. LAST COMMENT, . YEAH. WHAT WAS HIS [01:15:01] LAST COMMENT? IT WAS ABOUT THE, THE, THE USING THE FUND BALANCE AND THE, THE, THE FINISHING THE PROJECT. SO I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. SO, SO COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I JUST HAVE, UH, UH, I KNOW WE DON'T DIS I KNOW WE DON'T AGREE ON THIS. WE TALKED FOR TWO HOURS AND WE DON'T AGREE ON THIS. SO, AND, AND, AND I DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT, YOU SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT. THIS ISN'T SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, CONVOLUTED, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR ANTI LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR STANCE, YOUR PHYSICAL CONSERVATIVE STANCE OF SAYING, HEY, WHY WE DON'T WANNA SPEND THE FUND BALANCE. I GET ALL THAT. THERE'S ONLY TWO POINTS THAT I DISAGREED WITH YOU IN WHAT YOU SAID. NUMBER ONE, THE SCOPE HAS DONE NOTHING TO GO DOWN. THE COST HAS GONE UP, BUT THE SCOPE HAS GONE DOWN. IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL POINT OF DISAGREEMENT. YOU ARE RIGHT. WE HAD ABOUT A $5 MILLION PROJECT BECAME A $7 MILLION PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE CONSTANTLY SCOPED IT DOWN. AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS ISSUE, THIS ISSUE AND ROAD ISSUES ARE JUST NOT THE SAME. AND I JUST FELT THAT, UM, OUR ISSUES WITH ROADS AND, AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH ROADS IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS ISSUE. THEY'RE JUST SO COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT I JUST FELT THAT I JUST NEEDED TO, TO JUST SAY I GET YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH TRIP 21. UM, BUT I I, I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT WE DO THIS AS THE JU I THINK THE JUDGE STATED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHING THE NO SPENDING $826,000 IS WHAT THE VOTERS ASKED US TO DO. OH, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE'RE GOING BEYOND THAT. SO I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH, WITH THE FUNDING THAT I WANT A $7.2 MILLION PROJECT. YOU WANNA $5.4 MILLION PROJECT, AND WE'RE BOTH SO STUBBORN, WE'LL GO TO OUR GRAVES DISAGREEING WITH EACH OTHER, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. UM, BUT THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO SAY FROM EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, THOSE ARE ONLY TWO POINTS THAT I FELT. YEAH, I I WOULD, UH, REAL QUICK, I WOULD ALSO SAY, LOOK, THERE'S A, THERE THERE'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH NOT USING THE FUND BALANCE. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE NEED TO COMPLETE, IN MY OPINION, NEED TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT? SO WE'RE ONLY DOING THREE FOURTHS OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE OTHER QUARTER NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE WAIT THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO DO IT. WHAT'S THE COST TO THE TAXPAYER THEN? WELL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING A PROJECT, IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I'M ASKING AN OBVIOUS QUESTION, , I KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE DID THIS ON THE THIRD FLOOR WILL BE DELAYED AND DELAYED AND DELAYED, AND THEN IT'S FIVE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO THE TAXPAYER. SO MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN. I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE FINE USING THE FUND BALANCE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE LEFT OVER THIS YEAR TO REPLACE IT. AND THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM COMING UP. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE WHEN THAT ITEM COMES UP ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THIS MONEY CAN COME FROM. IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE USING ALL 2 MILLION FROM FUND BALANCE, THERE'S OTHER MONEY THAT WE COULD USE FOR THIS. WELL, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH NOT DOING IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL FEEL THAT WAY OR NOT, BUT THERE IS A RISK. WHAT WERE WE GONNA SAY, LISA? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THE, THE THE 800,000 THAT'S BEING BANDIED ABOUT IS, IS, IS THERE, IT WAS MORE THAT SOME OF THOSE FUNDS WERE USED TO REMODEL, UH, AREAS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND YOUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT DID IT. OH YEAH. SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT THERE WAS ONLY 800,000 LEFT OVER FROM THE WHOLE JAIL PROJECT. AND THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. WAS IT JUST OVER A MILLION? CORRECT. WHEN, WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARED, MAYBE 1.1 OR SOMETHING? YEAH, IT WAS JUST OVER A MILLION AND WE SPENT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND GETTING THE PATROL AREA REMODELED. AND, AND THAT WAS INTEREST, THAT WAS SOME MONIES THAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL PAID IN TO, TO FUND A PORTION OF THE, THE SEWER SYSTEM OUT OR NOT SEWER THE WATER UNDER THE ROAD. UM, AND UH, SO I I, I DON'T WANT IT THE KEY NUMBER TO BE 800,000 THAT THE PUBLIC'S THINKING THAT THAT'S ALL THAT THE COURT HAS LEFT FROM THE JAIL REMODEL. THERE HAS BEEN MONEY SPENT SINCE THE JAIL REMODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, SINCE THE JAIL EXPANSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE OTHER PROJECT. IT'S JUST 800,000 IS WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY REMAINING FROM THE JAIL MONTH REMODEL. ALL RIGHT. FINAL QUESTIONS? YEAH. OR COMMENTS? CAN I SAY SOMETHING? UM, PLEASE. UM, SO FUNDAMENTALLY I AGREE. I I THINK THAT THE COSTS ARE ONLY GONNA GO UP. SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT YOU'VE SAID SOMETHING COMMISSIONER GOANA THAT PERKED MY INTEREST IS THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS WITHOUT MAYBE USING THE FUND BALANCE ON THIS LAST 1.8 TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 1.8 MILLION. AND I'M THINKING THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, COULD BE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE. WE, WE STILL MAINTAIN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT, THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS, IS, IS SUPPORTIVE AND, AND WW IS READY TO TAKE A VOTE ON AND WE WOULD SEE WHAT THAT VOTE LOOKS LIKE OR WE LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE COULD COLLABORATE ON THIS AND MAYBE AND TRY TO FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM WITH SOME OTHER OTHER USES OF FUNDS. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? YEAH. SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY ONE, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT THE AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT'S GERMANE [01:20:01] TO THIS CONVERSATION WE'RE IT IS GERMANE TO THE REMODEL. SO, UM, LOVE THAT WORD. THANK YOU . SO, SO WE'RE AT, UM, WE HAVE ABOUT $1.3 MILLION IN UNUSED, UH, PERSONNEL FUNDS. IF YOU COMBINE BOTH SIDES, JAIL AND OPERATIONS, WE HAVE ABOUT THAT MUCH. WE WERE GONNA USE SOME OF THAT TO BUY VEHICLES. BY ALL MEANS. WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT TO BUY VEHICLES. UM, WE CAN USE NONE OF IT TO BUY VEHICLES AND TRY TO BUDGET IN VEHICLES. BUT THERE'S, WHAT I'M SAYING ISN'T, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA USE ANY FUND BALANCE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE COULD COME TO SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE AND WE COULD USE SOME FUND BALANCE AND WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE AND WE COULD, WE COULD WORK IT OUT THAT WAY WHERE WE'RE NOT USING ALL 1.8 OR $2 MILLION OUT OF FUND BALANCE. MAYBE WE JUST USE A MILLION, MAYBE WE USE A MILLION OUTTA FUND BALANCE AND WE PULL A MILLION FROM OVER THERE AND WE LEAVE THE 300,000 TO BUY WHAT CARS WE CAN NOW. YEAH. AND, AND THERE'S A DISCUSSION TO BE HAD ANYWAY. AND, AND COMMISSIONER LTI, I YOU SAY, WHERE IS THIS AGENDA ITEM GONNA GO? THE REASON I WANTED TO STOP DOWN ON THIS AGENDA ITEM IS BECAUSE WHEN WE GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THESE CONTRACTS, WE ARE VOTING ON PHASE ONE. YEAH. I, I FIND THAT WITHOUT HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISINGENUOUS, BUT LET'S JUST USE THE WORD TRANSPARENCY. WE'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT. THE TRANSPARENCY IS WE'RE SHORT ON THE PROJECT. WE COULD VOTE TODAY, AS YOU SAID, ON PHASE ONE. THAT'S GONNA BE OUR NEXT VOTE, WHICH IS JUST PHASE ONE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE OBLIGATING. UM, BUT THIS COURT COULD JUST TURN AROUND AND NOT FUND PHASE TWO AND THREE AND THEN, AND THEN IT DISAPPEARS. SO WITH THAT, I WANT DAN TO SPEAK TO, TO WHY I FEEL LIKE, WHY I WANNA HAVE A HOLISTIC CONVERSATION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A MISTAKE. IF OUR MINDSET IS TO FUND PHASE ONE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA STOP. I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A HUGE MISTAKE. SO DAN, CAN YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO PROCUREMENT? LET, LET'S HAVE A TECHNICAL, UH, PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION HERE. DO WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? I'M GOOD WITH THAT IF Y'ALL ARE, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TAKING ANY ACTION ON SIX. NO ACTION. SIX. I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO SEVEN TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING COMMISSIONER ALANA JUST SAID AGAIN, I LOVE IT WHEN WE AGREE WE MIGHT FIND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO SAVE MONEY ELSEWHERE AND IT'S ABLE TO GO INTO THIS PROJECT, MY APPLAUSE TO THEM, I THANK THEM. LET'S GO FULL STEAM AHEAD. I, I JUST KNOW AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAY, UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY, THAT ROADS ARE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN A JAIL REMODEL. I GET IT VERY DIFFERENT. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU CAN TAKE EVERY NUMBER IN THAT TRIP 21 BOND FUND AND ADD AT LEAST 50% TO IT. AGREED. AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA BE SAYING, GEE, THE VOTERS WANTED THIS LIST. RIGHT? AND THAT MAY REQUIRE USING FUND BALANCE. AND THAT WAS MY POINT EARLIER. WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET IT ELSEWHERE. I HOPE WE DO. I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO. I HOPE WE CAN SAVE MONEY AND USE IT AND APPLY IT WISELY. I JUST WANT TO SPEND MONEY WISELY. I'M THRILLED THAT WE'RE ONLY VOTING TODAY ON PHASE ONE. UH, AND I'M THRILLED THAT AS USUAL ON WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING [7. Discuss/Act on approving Amendment #1 to the SCI Construction agreement for the Sheriff's Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE SCI CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER, STACY, DAN, GIMME JUST ONE SECOND AND I'M GONNA LET YOU SPEAK. SO I'M, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SET, I'M GONNA SET THIS BILL UP SINCE WE USED TO USE THE WORD GERMANE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE TEXAS HOUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN, . UM, SO, UH, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. I KNOW IT'S NOT. SO I WANNA JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, CRAIG STO HAS, UH, CARRIED A LION'S SHARE OF THIS CONTRACT, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM TREMENDOUSLY, UM, FOR ALL OF HIS DILIGENT WORK. I THINK LAST WEEK HIM AND I SPENT TWO AND A HALF HOURS ON CALLS. JUST ONE RIGHT AFTER THE OTHER, RIGHT AFTER THE OTHER, JUST DEALING WITH CONTRACTS. SO CRAIG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, LISA, I WANT TO THANK YOUR OFFICE. UM, I PURPOSELY, WELL, I, I BASICALLY, UNTIL I HAD MY PRESENTATION, I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF COUNTY RESOURCES, UM, GETTING THIS CONTRACT LINED UP UNLESS I KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED THE COURT TO HEAR WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO WORK ON. SO THIS WAS A GIANT EFFORT FROM THE PRE, FROM THE LAST COURT TO THIS COURT TO GET THESE CONTRACTS GOING. UM, I WANNA POINT OUT TWO THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE READ INTO THE RECORD. UM, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX OF THE, UM, AMENDMENT. UM, IT'S A TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE CLAUSE. UM, WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT IF WE DON'T SPEND THE ARPA MONEY, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY GET IT BACK OUT OF THIS CONTRACT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. NOW [01:25:01] AGAIN, PHASE ONE IS GONNA BE FUNDED, UH, OVER $4 MILLION AND 3 MILLION OF ITS ARPA. BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT AND NEXT DECEMBER, AND WE FIND OUT WE'RE NOT SPENDING THE MONEY, I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S LOW RISK, BUT WE DID PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN PULL IT OUT AND APPLY IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NUMBER SIX SAYS THE COST OF WORK FOR FACES TWO AND THREE IS OUTLINED IN EXHIBIT A PER CONTRACT DOCUMENTS ARE CONTINGENT ON THE APPROVAL AND RELEASE OF RESERVE FUNDS FROM THE ROCKWALL COUNTY 2026 CAPITAL BUDGET. THAT CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED. BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT UNTIL WE RELEASE THOSE FUNDS, WE ARE ONLY APPROVING PHASE ONE SHOULD THE FUNDS NOT BE APPROVED BY COURT. THE DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER TO REMOVE THE SCOPE OF WORK, THERE WILL BE THREE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATES, ONE FOR EACH PHASE. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT UNLESS WE RELEASE THIS MONEY, WE ARE ONLY FUNDING PHASE ONE. SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE, TO BE VERY CLEAR, I SEE YOU ON YOUR BUTTON. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN JUMP IN ON THOSE TWO THINGS. YES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER , I, I APPRECIATE BEING ALLOWED TO SPEAK . I, I ACTUALLY WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING BUT OH, OH, WELL YOU JUST HAD YOUR HAND UP RIGHT THERE AND YOU'RE LIKE, I I SEED MY TIME TO YOU. . I I I DO HAVE A QUESTION, JUST CLARIFICATION. UH, SO ON, ON THE CONTRACT HERE, WE GET THE TOTAL NEW GMP AS 4.890 $709 AND CHANGE IT. WELL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE CHANGE ON IT. THERE'S NO CHANGE. OH, WE, WE CHANGED THE CHANGE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE AND, AND OUR, OUR LANGUAGE PHASE ONE IS THE $4.8 MILLION, BUT ON THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE YOU HAVE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, THAT ALL TOTAL THE 4.8 MILLION, WHICH IS OUR PHASE ONE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET CAUGHT INTO THE, YOU'RE YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP ON TWO THINGS. PHASE ONE IS ONLY 3.96979. THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE MORE ON MY SPREADSHEET IS BECAUSE IT HAS SOFT COST APPRO APPROVED ON IT. THIS IS APPROVING THE CONSTRUCTION COST. THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS $3.1 MILLION. UH, I CAN I SPEAK NOW? YEAH. UH, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE ARPA MONEY, RIGHT? YES SIR. WE DO PHASE ONE, ALL THE ARPA MONEY SPENT AND THAT CONCERN IS OVER WITH. YOU ARE CORRECT. GREAT, THANKS. AND SO, SO BACK TO THE AMENDMENT THOUGH. WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE THAT HAS A SIGNATURE LINE FOR ME IS THE 4.894 COR, CORRECT. OH, AND THIS ONE NICO PUT THE 50 CENTS ON THE ACTUAL CONTRACT WELL PLAYED NICO. UM, THE, THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY APPROVING PHASE ONE, BUT PHASE TWO AND THREE ARE INCLUDED IN THE GMP. THE GMP IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. THAT'S A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OF ALL PHASES ADDED UP. THAT 4.8 IS ACTUALLY 7.3 IS THE POINT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ADD IN ALL OF THE OTHER COSTS. AND DO YOU ENVISION, I I NOTICED THAT, UH, SECTION SIX WHEN I WAS READING THIS AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING IT. UH, BUT DO YOU ENVISION THAT COMING TO US, UH, OBVIOUSLY AT A LATER DATE, BUT ANY KIND OF PROJECTED TIMING ON THAT? WILL WE BE THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE? WILL WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WHEN THAT COMES TO US OR NOT? UM, PROBABLY NOT. PHASE ONE GOES TO THE END OF THE YEAR SOMEWHERE IN NOVEMBER-ISH. YEAH. SO PHASE ONE IS FIVE MONTHS. SO WHENEVER WE START ACTUALLY NOTICE AND PROCEED, THEN WE CAN CALCULATE FIVE MONTHS FROM THEN TO BE COMING RIGHT OUT OF PHASE ONE. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, JOHN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT US TO VOTE ON THE PHASES? TWO AND THREE TILL, TILL BUDGET, TILL AFTER THE BUDGET IS, IT WILL BE INCLU, IT WILL PHASE TWO AND THREE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE, THE BUDGET WE HAVE. WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY FOR TWO AND THREE OR NOT APPROPRIATE THE MONEY FOR TWO AND THREE, THEN THEY DISAPPEAR. OKAY. OKAY. AND CAN WE GET THE CORRECT AMOUNT READ OF YEAH, PLEASE DO. YEAH. LISA, CAN WE 4,000,800? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. IT'S, I'M SORRY. SORRY, LISA. READ, READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD. THE 3 MILLION, SORRY, IT'S SO SMALL. 3,096,979 AND 74 CENTS. 74 CENTS. THAT IS, UH, WHERE YOU GET THE EXTRA 50 CENTS THAT NICO PUT IN THE CONTRACT. YEP. IT'S HIS BONUS. SO, AND PHASE TWO, UH, SHOULD BE $1,192,219 AND 17 CENTS. AND THEN PHASE THREE IS $601,510 AND 59 CENTS. [01:30:01] AND THAT TOTALS THE 4 8, 9 0 7 0 9 AND 50 CENTS. AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE, UH, CLEANED UP. WE JUST, THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY WAS COMPLIMENTING ON MY OFFICE WAS ELENA DID THE TALLIED IT UP YESTERDAY AND CAME IN AND SAID, WE'RE 50 CENTS OFF. AND I WAS LIKE, OH, MY . SO WE, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET A FORMAL DOCUMENT FOR YOU, BUT, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR ESTIMATORS DON'T LIKE TO PLAY WITH CHANGE, SO THEY ALWAYS JUST ROUND TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WENT WITH THE WHOLE DOLLAR. AND THEN, AND THEN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE PROCUREMENT OF PHASE ONE? I, I JUST WANT THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE MEETINGS. I JUST WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICK. YEAH. SO, UM, HOW WE, HOW WE BUDGETED PHASE ONE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS, THIS PROJECT'S GONNA GO COMPLETELY FROM PHASE ONE ALL THE WAY, PHASE THREE. AND WHAT WE DID WANT TO DO IS HOLD OFF AND BREAK OUT THE MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL MATERIAL, WHICH GETS PRICEY AND DOES SUSCEPTIBLE TO PRICE INCREASES. SO WE HAVE FRONT LOADED A LOT OF THAT TO MAINTAIN THE PACKAGE DEAL THAT WE GOT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BID THIS JOB. SO, SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF, A LOT OF MATERIAL EQUIPMENT PROCURED IN THIS PHASE. SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WAY WE, WHEN WE MAKE DEALS WITH TRANE, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT ALL AT ONCE. SO PHASE TWO IS REALLY KIND OF PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF DROP OFF IN COST BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF FRONT LOADED A LOT OF THAT INTO THE FIRST PHASE. AND THAT'S BASICALLY JUST TO MAINTAIN THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE ON THE AMENDMENT, THE SCHEDULE AND THE COST. SCHEDULE AND COST. YEAH. UM, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU, DANIEL? YES, SIR. UH, I DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN IN FRONT OF US, BUT IS, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU GOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND UP HERE THERE'S AN AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING USED. IT'S GONNA BECOME I THINK THE TRAINING CENTER YEAH. AND THE EXERCISE ROOM, ET CETERA. YEAH. SO THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AREA A? YEAH, UP AT THE KIND OF, I CALL IT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER AREA DOWN BELOW THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT USED THAT'S GONNA BE USED, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. SO ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THOSE TWO PORTIONS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONSTITUTE? UH, NOT OFFHAND. OKAY. I'LL STOP ASKING SQUARE FOOTAGE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE. I PROMISE NEXT TIME I'M HERE I WILL HAVE EXACT FIGURES. YEAH, OKAY. PREPARED FOR THAT. BUT MY POINT IS, AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE, UH, WHEN COMMISSIONER STACEY AND I WENT THROUGH THE, THE PHASES OF THIS PROJECT, PHASE ONE IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING TODAY IN WHAT WE'LL WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH WILL GIVE US BOTH OF THOSE TWO AREAS OF REAL ESTATE, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY UNUSED RIGHT NOW. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. WELL, PHASE ONE ACTUALLY, UM, INCLUDES YOUR, THE, THE NORTHERN PART OF YOUR, YOUR EOC AREA, AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS THE FRONT SECURED VESTAL. AND IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN LIKE A LITTLE BATHROOM UP THERE OR SOMETHING, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. THERE'S EXISTING WAS, OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO SETS OF BATHROOMS. IF YOU'RE TALKING CLOSER TO THE EXISTING ENTRANCE. NOW, UHHUH , THERE ARE TWO RESTROOMS THERE THAT WE HAVE TO RENOVATE THE, THE FINISHES ON, BUT MAINTAIN THE FIXTURES, BUT ALSO ON THE PLAN NORTHWEST, WHERE I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE RESTROOMS AS WELL. YEAH. AND JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE, UM, THIS IS WHY I THINK THIS PHASE ONE IS SUCH A GREAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE GAINING SO MUCH SPACE AND I KNOW WE NEVER HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS ARE BUILDING BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE GAINING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR THE SHERIFF TO USE AND PLAN THINGS LIKE TRAINING AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND PREPARATION, WHICH WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF AND EVERYONE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH. SO THANKS. YES, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY, I I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ALSO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE THE GMP DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EXPENSE OF THE ROOF. THE ROOF IS HOWEVER FUNDED ALREADY FROM PREVIOUS, UH, BUDGETS THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO KEEP PUTTING IN THE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT THAT, THAT, THAT'S IN OUR SEVERE FACILITIES FUND. RIGHT. AND AN IMPACT FEES, WHICH I, I BELIEVE WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THEY, NICO AND COMMISSIONER STACY SAID THAT THEY DO NOT EXPECT, UH, ANY IMPACT FEES ON, ON THIS PROJECT. BUT [01:35:01] ONE LAST THING THAT I ALSO THINK THAT IS A BONUS FOR YOU TO DO THIS PROJECT IS WORKING CONDITIONS MATTER TO YOUR EMPLOYEES. AND YOU KNOW, IF I, I THINK THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE WILL HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO BE, HELPS KEEP YOUR EMPLOYEES HAPPY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT SUMMARY, HAPPY EMPLOYEES, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. I'M JUST ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET THERE. ALL RIGHT. FIRE AWAY. ONE, ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET THERE. SO IF, IF WE APPROVE JUST PHASE ONE, WHICH IS FOR SOME REASON WHERE WE'RE HEADED, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'S DUMB JUST ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IF WE DO ONE, WE'RE GONNA DO TWO AND THREE. SO, OKAY, I, I'LL LET YOU FINISH. AND THEN, BUT ARE WE SAYING THE COST OF TWO AND THREE WILL NOT INCREASE IF WE APPROVE ONE? IS THAT IN THE CONTRACT? CORRECT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A GMP CONTRACT FOR ALL THE PHASES. THE REASON IS WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GET INTO OUR RESERVES AND SPEND THAT MONEY CONTRACTUALLY FOR THE COUNTY AND WE'RE UP AGAINST ARPA DEADLINES AND TO GET THE GMP AND THE TIMING THAT, I MEAN, IF WE WERE A BUSINESS, WE WOULD JUST BE GRABBING THE MONEY OUTTA SAVINGS, SIGNING THE WHOLE CONTRACT AND MOVING FORWARD. BUT WE'RE NOT WITH GOVERNMENT. SO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE AND APPROPRIATE THE MONEY OFFICIALLY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHY THE GMP IS SO IMPORTANT 'CAUSE IT CONTRACTUALLY BINDS TWO AND THREE TO THESE PRICES. AND THAT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, UM, TO FIND OTHER SOURCES AND SOLUTIONS FOR THAT MONEY. THAT IS CORRECT. AND, UM, MY GUESS IS WE'RE GONNA FULLY FUND EVERYTHING WITHOUT DIVING INTO FUND BALANCE. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE SCI CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TI. I WILL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, AS SOON AS MY SYSTEM WAKES UP. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. NEED ONE MORE? ONE MORE PASSES THIS FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A 10 MINUTE BREAK. I REALIZE IT'S, IT'S A, UH, KIND OF UNWIELDY TIME, BUT IT THAT'S FINE. IS 10 36. LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALLOWING THAT BREAK. WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION. WE'RE [8. Discuss/Act on approving Amendment #2 to the Parkhill agreement for the Sheriff's Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy) ] ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE PARK HILL AGREEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY? YES, SO, SO THIS IS INCLUDED IN ALL MY SOFT COST, UM, CALCULATIONS. WE, UH, NEED TO, BASICALLY, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, WE NEED TO PROGRAM ALL THE FF AND E IN THIS PROJECT. UM, IT COSTS MONEY TO PROGRAM. UM, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A QUICK HISTORY LESSON OF WHY THIS PARK HILL CONTRACT IS A LITTLE PIECEMEAL FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. AND THAT IS WHEN WE ENTER THE CONTRACT, IT WAS, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A CONTRACT, IT WAS KIND OF FUNDED AS NEEDED. SO THERE WAS NO REASON TO FUND EVERYTHING UNLESS WE START GETTING APPROVALS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THINGS. SO THIS IS AN FF AND E AMENDMENT. UM, SAL IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. UM, WE DID NEGOTIATE IT DOWN FROM, FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS. UM, IT IS A $35,000, UM, START TO FINISH. THEY'RE GONNA HELP US, UH, DO ALL THE PROGRAMMING FOR ALL THE FURNITURE FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT. BUT SAL, IF YOU WANNA GIVE US A LITTLE BRIEF LAY DOWN AND THEN WE'LL GET TO QUESTIONS. UH, YEAH. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON OR MORNING. AGAIN, NOT AFTERNOON YET. UM, SO THIS, UH, AMENDMENT, AGAIN, LIKE COMMISSIONER SAID, IS JUST REALLY JUST A, AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, WHICH IS, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE FURNITURE DEALER, WHICH IN THIS CASE, THE, THE COUNTY MOSTLY USES. UM, WILSON BAUHAUS, WHO WE'VE USED ON OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHO WAS USED ORIGINALLY ON THE JAIL, UH, FOR THE FIRST UH, EDITION AS WELL. SO, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE COORDINATING WITH THEM, WORKING WITH, UH, YOU AND ALL THE END USERS ON MEETINGS, ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. UH, FIGURING OUT FINISHES, FIGURING OUT ORIENTATIONS, HOW FLEXIBLE THEY NEED TO BE OR NOT, UM, AND GETTING THAT IN THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS FOR SCI TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THAT FURNITURE. UM, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY IT. SO THIS IS JUST OUR, OUR TIME NEEDED TO COORDINATE AND HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, UH, UH, WITH ALL THE PARTIES NEEDED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL, WITH THAT JUDGE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AMENDMENT TWO TO THE PARK HILL AGREEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. [01:40:01] THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. I'M GOING TO TAKE NINE AND 10 OUT OF ORDER. I'M GONNA SKIP TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 TO LET A COUPLE PEOPLE GET OUTTA HERE AND GET ON WITH THEIR DAY. UH, AGENDA ITEM [10. Discuss/ Act on Historic Foundation request supporting the portrait display presentation and location of the past Rockwall County Judges who presided, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik - Historic Foundation - Maintenance Director) ] 10, DISCUSS AN ACT ON HISTORIC FOUNDATION REQUEST SUPPORTING THE PORTRAIT DISPLAY PRESENTATION AND LOCATION OF THE PAST ROCKWALL COUNTY JUDGES WHO PRESIDED AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER M**K, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK BOTH DARLENE AND I GUESS ARE, ARE BOTH OF Y'ALL COMING UP? UM, MARK AND DARLENE OR JUST MARK O'CONNOR. OKAY. HE'S GONNA COME UP AND HE'S GOING, AND I DON'T KNOW, BARRY WILL BE ON DECK IF WE NEED BARRY AS WELL. COME ON, BARRY. UM, WE'VE MET, UM, THE THREE OF US HAVE MET, UM, AND COMMISSIONER STACY HAPPENED TO JUMP IN ALSO WITH HIS CON WITH AS PART OF THIS. SO MARK, I'D LIKE TO LET YOU GO AHEAD AND PRESENT KIND OF WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS AND TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUDGE HERE SO WE CAN KIND OF HOPEFULLY MOVE THIS ALONG. OKAY. WELL, WE'VE GOT ALL THE, UH, PICTURES BACK FROM ALL THE JUDGES FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNTY ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO JUDGE NEW, UM, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM SPACE ON THE WALL TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PHOTOS IN THE BACK HERE. UM, SO WE'VE DISCUSSED DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS FAR AS MOVING THEM TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OR RIGHT NOW, UH, EXPANDING THIS BOARD, ANOTHER THREE FEET DOWN, WHICH YOU WOULD ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PORTRAITS WE HAVE FOR NOW. BUT ANY FURTHER JUDGES WOULD WE, WE'D BE IN THE SAME SITUATION. WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE SPACE TO PUT 'EM ON THE WALL, SO EITHER EXPANDING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURTROOM OR DOWNSTAIRS OR SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE COULD USE TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PHOTOS, WHICH KIND OF SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IN REGARDS TO A GRANT, UM, FOR THE FOURTH FLOOR. BUT THAT COULD BE EXPANDED AT SOME POINT AS TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS, THIS BUILDING. I, I HOPE SO. YEAH. AND UM, I THINK WE WILL WANNA ENCOURAGE THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. WELL, YOU GUYS ARE THE FOUNDATION ON FOUNDATION, CORRECT? BUT YOU GUYS WORK TOGETHER SO WELL. WE'LL WANNA ENCOURAGE 'EM ALL TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND THAT MONEY AND, AND DO GREAT THINGS. MAKE THIS A BIG, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AGAIN. I MEAN, AT SOME POINT I CAN ACTUALLY, THEY CAN GO TO THE UPSTAIRS IN THE, IF IT'S TURNED INTO A MUSEUM, I COULD GO UP THERE. I LIKE IT. SO MARK, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU NEEDING FROM US TODAY? YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE. WHAT, WHAT OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE OR WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE ON IT, WHETHER WE EXPAND IT HERE OR PUT 'EM DOWNSTAIRS OR IF WE'D EXPAND IT HERE? UH, BARRY, WE COULD, UH, SPEAK ON THAT. HE UP IS HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO ACTUALLY EXPAND THE BOARD OUT AND, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE PHOTOS FOR NOW. AND, AND SO IF WE MOVED THEM DOWNSTAIRS, WOULD THAT JUST BE HANGING 'EM ON A NAIL OR WOULD IT BE A SIMILAR IT'D BE HANGING, YEAH, HANGING I GUESS. UM, LIKE I SAID, BARRY COULD SPEAK TO THAT. IT'D BE JUST PROBABLY PUTTING 'EM ON A, A NAIL DOWN IN THE WALL DOWNSTAIRS AND LIGHTING 'EM ALL UP ON THE WALL TO BE PRESENTED. OR IF THEY STAYED UP HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER M**K WAS SAYING THAT WE COULD PUT A PLAQUE DOWN THERE ON THE WALL AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, PLEASE VISIT THE THIRD FLOOR COURTROOM WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PHOTOS. AND SO THE, THE, THE FOUNDATION DOESN'T HAVE A PREFERENCE REALLY. JUST BARRY, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? NO, SIR. I, I, I DO NOT. HE HAS THOUGHTS BUT NO PREFERENCES. I, I CAN SEE IT IN HIS EYES. I, I THINK I ANSWERED THE QUESTION . SEE, HE DOES THAT SO WELL, I, I, I THINK REALLY WHERE I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OF, OF WHERE WE COULD PUT THESE, WHERE THE, THE PUBLIC COULD SEE THEM MORE. BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, THAT WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THESE ARTIFACTS AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE PICTURES OF EVERYONE UNLESS YOU ATTEND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT MAYBE A PLAQUE DOWNSTAIRS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO COME UP HERE TO LOOK AT THE COURTROOM WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED, OBVIOUSLY. AND WE KNOW IT'S USED QUITE OFTEN. WELL, IT, IT IS, AND THAT IT'S GONNA GET US TO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS TODAY BECAUSE OF CONSTRAINTS OF THE AGENDA ITEM. BUT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO HAVING A LOT FEWER PEOPLE WALK INTO THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY. UH, SO I MEAN, IF IF OUR GOAL IS FOR PEOPLE TO SEE, THEN, THEN I MEAN, IT IT ALMOST HAS TO BE UP HERE. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK BARRY, YOU DID, YOU, YOU YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THE, UH, CALCULATIONS AND YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN EXPAND THAT THREE FEET. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING 250, $300. IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A LARGE EXPENSE TO, TO ADD THE THREE FEET THERE. UM, MARK AND THE FOUNDATION HAVE COMPLETED, AS HE SAID, ALL OF THE PHOTOS EXCEPT FOR ONE, ONE JUDGE. ONE JUDGE YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND. CORRECT. WE'RE ALL MISSING ONE ONE. SO WE'VE GOT THE, AND HE'S GOT THEM. DID YOU SHOW HIM A COPY OF WHAT THEY ALL LOOK LIKE? RIGHT. AND UM, AND AND THEIR THEIR YEARS ARE, ARE CORRECT 'CAUSE HE JUST SHOWED ME, UM, [01:45:01] RALPH HALL, HIS YEAR IS NOW CORRECT BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY HELD. UM, IT HAD THE WRONG START DATE ON HIS SERVICE TO THE COUNTY. A LOT OF THOSE JUST BEG A QUESTION. IT'S LIKE, WERE YOU REALLY JUDGED FOR A YEAR? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT'S THE STORY? SO WE DID BOTH, WE CLEARED UP THE RECORD AND, AND WE GOT A BUNCH OF PICTURES. AND I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION, UM, AND I SAW THE JP OF THE YEAR IN HERE EARLIER. HE HAD, HE SAID HE HAD TO LEAVE. HE HAD TO LEAVE. UM, BUT UH, I KNOW THAT WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, MARK RUSSO AND I KIND OF STARTED LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET THIS CLEANED UP, GET MORE PICTURES ON THE WALL AND GET THE DATES CORRECT. SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. SO I KNOW IT WASN'T SMALL. NO, IT WASN'T. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO THANK JENNIFER AS WELL 'CAUSE SHE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT THROUGH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS GETTING ALL THE, EVERYTHING SET UP WITH THAT. THANK YOU. COUNTY CLERK, FOG . UM, SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REQUIRES TRUE ACTION, IS THAT WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND EXPAND THIS UP HERE. YOU TAKE A NOTE OF THAT. I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN, IF SOMEBODY'S WANTS TO. WE DON'T HAVE TO. I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT I THINK THEY WERE JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND, AND, AND, AND I THINK THEY HAVE IT. BARRY, ARE YOU JUST GONNA CHARGE IT TO YOUR BUDGET OR, OR IS WILL THIS BE CHARGED TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION LINE? I, I WAS HOPING TO CHARGE IT TO YOU SOMEHOW. I DIDN'T, I DON'T, THERE YOU DO HAVE SOME FUNDS IN HISTORIC COMMISSION THAT, UH, BUT BELIEVE THIS IS THE FOUNDATION, SO THEY'D HAVE TO ASK THE COMMISSION, BUT WE'RE TALKING MINIMAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY. I WOULD SAY JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF IT OUT OF FACILITIES FUNDS. TO YOUR POINT, UH, LISA, THEIR, THE, THE COMMISSION BUDGET'S REAL SMALL, BUT IT'S USUALLY NOT ALL USED. SO IF, UH, WE CAN CLEAN IT UP THERE, I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE TO DO IT. I, I'LL IF YOU'LL JUST MARK IT AS SUCH AND THEN WE WILL CHARGE IT THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MARK. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS YES, SIR. UNTIL THAT'S DONE. I DO HAVE ALL THE, ALL OF THEM DONE, COMPLETED. UH, I CAN PUT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, UM, FOR NOW UNTIL THE, THE REST OF IT'S COMPLETE. I THINK YOU NEED A STORE, MALL AND COMMISSIONER MICK'S OFFICE UNTIL THEY'RE . I, I WOULD SAY LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT 'EM BACK UP AGAIN. YEAH, YEAH. QUESTION IS, WHO DO YOU WANT UP THERE? ? I, I AM NOT GONNA FALL, FALL INTO THAT TRAP. MARK O'CONNOR, . JUST MAKE SURE FRANK ISN'T UP THERE AND I'LL BE HAPPY. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S, YOU'VE GOT YOUR DIRECTION, . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. LET START, START WITH THE OLDEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARK. THANK YOU DARLENE. THANK YOU DARLENE. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO AGENDA [9. Discuss/ Act on updates, progress and take necessary steps related to 2050 Strategic Plan software implementation and aligning with the County's approved goals and key performance indicators (KPl's) to measure success including those within FY26 budget, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik) ] ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES, PROGRESS AND TAKE NECESSARY STEPS RELATED TO THE 2050 STRATEGIC PLAN SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION AND ALIGNING WITH THE COUNTY'S APPROVED GOALS AND KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS TO MEASURE SUCCESS, INCLUDING THOSE WITHIN THE FY 26 BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER M**K, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I DO HAVE A PRESENT, A PRESENTATION. I PRINTED YOU GUYS OFF A COLOR COPY IF YOU WANNA TAKE ONE. BUT, AND I'LL FOR THE FOLKS AT THE VERY, THE VERY LAST ONE IS THE ONE THAT, UM, I HAVE A COPY THAT WE CAN PUT UP HERE ON THAT, IF YOU WANNA GIVE THIS TO JENNIFER AS WELL, PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, I WANNA THANK MR. MARK KIPPET FOR HIS COMMENTS AND HIS ASSESSMENTS, UM, AND DURING THE OPEN FORUM TODAY, UM, ON THE SURFACE, I, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HE HAS SAID, BUT I THINK, UM, PROBABLY DEEP IF WE DO A DEEP DIVE, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, FUNDAMENTALLY WE HAVE HAD SOME ACTIVITIES AND WE'VE DONE SOME WORK ON THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, UM, AND KIND OF BEGINNING TO PUT THE, A ROADMAP TOGETHER. AND I, I WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH EACH OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, MY COURT AS THE FOLKS THAT ARE LISTENING, UM, ONLINE AND EACH OF YOU THAT ARE IN, IN THE, IN THE ROOM AS WELL. UM, SO EVERYONE HAS SEEN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT TOOK A OVER 18 MONTHS, UM, TO PUT TOGETHER WITH HUNDREDS OF, UM, VOLUNTEERS AS MR. KIPP MENTIONED, AND THOUSANDS AND OF HOURS AND, UM, INPUT FROM WELL OVER THOUSANDS OF OUR CITIZENS. SO THIS PLAN WAS, WAS, UM, WAS CREATED, UM, FOR, TO PUT ROCKWELL AS A PLAN TO CREATE THE ROADMAP OF WHAT ROCKWALL CAN, WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT 20 TO 25 YEARS. AND WE REALLY WERE TRAILBLAZING WITH, UM, A NUMBER OF COUNTIES FROM, FROM WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THIS TO NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO, OR OVER TWO YEARS AGO, TO THIS COURT OF COUNTIES WHO DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN. OKAY. SO, AND I, I APPRECIATED READING THE ARTICLE THAT MR. KIPP, UM, REFERENCED FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUR PEERS, COUNTIES AROUND US THAT HAVE, HAVE DONE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE THE, THE DIVIDENDS AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE, WE KEEP IN MIND THAT ON MARCH 5TH OF THIS YEAR, UM, [01:50:01] OUR, OUR STRATEGIC PLAN CONSULTING COMPANY, BAKER TILLY, THEY DID PRESENT TO US A STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, UM, A STRATEGIC PLAN IMPLEMENTATION PRO, UM, PRESENTATION IN THIS COURTROOM. THEY GAVE EACH OF US, SO I'M NOT, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU GUYS A COPY, BUT THEY GAVE EACH OF US, UM, A COMMUNICATION MANAGEMENT PLAN ROADMAP OF WHAT THAT, OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, WHICH WAS ON APRIL THE EIGHTH, WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, HOW WE THEN AS THE, AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THE COUNTY, WHAT WE WOULD DO AS WE THEN BEGIN TO TAKE OVER, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION ACTIVITIES. SO IT WAS A VERY, UM, IT WAS A VERY SUCCINCT PLAN. IT HAD, IT HAD ROLES, IT HAD RESPONSIBILITIES, IT HAD TIMELINES IN IT. IT HAD OUR PHASES AS, AS IF YOU WANT TO TALK, IF YOU WANNA RE REFERENCE IT. AND IT'S ONES THAT SOME OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT INDIVIDUALLY. BUT MOSTLY, UM, AFTER WE ADOPTED IT, THE JUDGE AND I, AND EACH OF US ON THIS COURT, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE JUDGE WOULD BE THE MAIN, UM, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD THAT MARK KIPPET SOMETIMES USED, BUT THE JUDGE WOULD BE THE MAIN, KEY PERSON FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR, UM, FOR THE, FOR THIS AND THAT I WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH HIM. SO WHEN DOING THAT, I DO WANNA, AS FAR AS ORGANIZATION AND THE MANAGEMENT OF, OF THE PROCESS. SO I'M STILL OPTIMISTIC AND I WANNA REMAIN POSITIVE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE WE, WE STILL HAVE THE, WE STILL HAVE THE STEPS AND THE PROGRAM AND THE, AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE MET IN, UM, IN EARLY MAY, THE, WELL, LET ME BACK UP AND SAY THE JUDGE AND I MET PRIOR TO THAT, AND WE IDENTIFIED LEADERS WITHIN THE, THE COUNTY THAT COULD, THAT, THAT AFTER WE SPOKE WITH THEM, THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE, THE, THE, THE BASELINE LEADERSHIP ROLE THAT BAKER TILLY'S ROADMAP AND, AND, UM, AND PLAN SUGGESTED THAT WE WOULD NEED. SO WE HAD, WE HAD ABOUT, UM, 10 PEOPLE THAT AGREED TO IN, IN, IN THIS, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COUNTY. SOME OF OUR ELECTED AND OTHERS WERE EMPLOYEES THAT AGREED TO WANNA BE A PART OF THIS. WE HAD A MEETING IN THE ELEVATOR ROOM. UM, THERE WERE HANDOUTS THAT WERE INVOLVED AND THERE WERE, UM, THERE WERE DATES THAT, EXCUSE ME, THERE WERE DATES THAT WE, UM, WE EVERYONE PUT DOWN. ONE OF THOSE DATES HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE SOFTWARE COMPANY CALLED INVISIO THAT WE HAVE ALSO ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH. UM, AND INVISIO IS PROBABLY THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN, UM, STRATEGY AND PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT PLATFORM FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AGAIN, WE, WE APPROVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, UM, BID. UM, AND THE COURT HAS AGREED THAT THEY WOULD BE THE RIGHT ONES TO, TO PUT TOGETHER THE SOFTWARE AND THE FRONTWARD FORWARD, UM, PLATFORM THAT OUR, WOULD KEEP US FROM A TRANSPARENT STANDPOINT AND THAT OUR CITIZENS WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROCESS AND THE PROGRESS BEING DONE. AND IT WAS, WOULD BE USED TO DRIVE DECISION MAKING, DECISION MAKING FOR THIS COURT, BUT FOR FUTURE COURTS THAT WOULD FOLLOW, UH, UH, FOLLOW AFTER US. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR BEFORE I KIND OF KEEP GOING? NONE. OKAY. SO, UM, A MEETING, UM, IS GOING TO, WITH, WITH, WITH INVISIO IS, HAS BEEN, UM, WELL A, A PLANNING SESSION WITH EVERY ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE IN THE CORE LEADERSHIP GROUP. THEY HAVE ALL MET AND DONE AN ONLINE, AND THAT INCLUDES EACH OF US ON THIS, ON THIS COURT. WE HAVE DONE AN ONLINE, KIND OF A CURSORY TO KIND OF A TOP LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT INVISIO SOFTWARE CAN ACCOMPLISH. AND I THINK THAT, UM, EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT THAT, HOW IT, HOW, HOW IT TAKES OUR PLAN. IT, IT BEGINS TO COLLECT AND, UM, PUT THE, THE, THE ANALYTICS INTO IT TO, UM, TO, TO ADDRESS THE GOALS, THE OBJECTIVES, THE STRATEGIES, THE INITIATIVES FOR EACH ONE OF THE SIX GOALS THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED YET THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN EACH ONE OF THOSE, THOSE STEPS. AND, AND AT THAT POINT, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE COUNTY WOULD, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE DATA UPDATED, UM, ON THE DASHBOARD, WHICH THEN WOULD PRODUCE THE REPORTS, UM, TO KEEP THE INTERACTIVE DASHBOARDS SO THAT WE CAN INFORM OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESS THAT THE INVISIO SOFTWARE CAN HAVE. I'M TELLING YOU EVERYTHING WE KIND OF ALREADY KNOW, BUT I JUST WANNA RE RECAP THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE AGREED TO DO AND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE UP TO THIS POINT. OKAY. UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANY OF MY POINTS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HERE. [01:55:01] UM, THERE ARE BEST PRACTICES THAT THIS, THIS, THIS PLAN, BUT THIS SOFTWARE IS, AND, AND INVOLVING OUR COMMUNICATING THIS WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS WHERE WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL RIGHT NOW. BUT I, AT THE END OF MY QUIT GOING TO THE BACK PAGE, JUDGE, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHICH PAGE PAGE WE'RE ON. WELL, I'M RIGHT NOW ON PAGE TWO, SO. OKAY. GOT IT. UM, BUT, UM, THE, THE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TIMELINES THAT WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN STILL RECOVER AND, AND GET BACK ON COURSE WHERE WE NEED TO BE. BUT THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW IS COMMUNICATIONS. AND WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES, WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE DID SEND OUT, UM, ON APRIL THE 16TH, UM, OUR PIO SENT OUT A VIDEO THAT ALL OF US WERE IN, ALONG WITH A SHORT, UM, MEMO THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ADOPTION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT DIRECTED THEM TO, TO VISIT THE STRATEGIC PLAN ON OUR WEBSITE. AND AS OF YESTERDAY, WE'VE HAD 17 VIEWS OF OUR, UH, 17 VIEWS OF THE, OF THE, UM, VIDEO. UM, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT, UH, THAT OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN HAS WORKED. WELL, MAYBE NOT, BUT SEVENTEEN'S NOT BAD. I MEAN, IF IT'S THE RIGHT 17, IF WE HAVE 17 DEPARTMENT HEADS, THAT'S, UH, OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DIDN'T A DEEP DIVE ON WHO THEY WERE, BUT THERE ARE 17. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS WHERE I'D LIKE FOR US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO COM WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE COMMITMENTS TODAY, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE, WHERE WE NEED TO GO RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING THE STRATEGIC PLAN, COMMUNICATING THE SOFTWARE THAT HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED AND THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT IS READY TO START LOADING OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES INTO IT AND IDENTIFYING THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE, IN EACH ONE OF THOSE SAID GOALS. WHO WILL BE THE, THE OWNERS OF THAT. NOW, I SPOKE WITH COMM. I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I POINT YOU CALL YOU OUT. I SPOKE, COMMISSIONER LATI AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. AND I KNOW THAT EACH OF US ON THIS COURT AS WELL AS OUR SHERIFF AND OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WE OWN ONE OF THE SIX GOALS THAT EACH OF US AGREED BACK IN APRIL THAT WE WOULD OWN EACH ONE OF THOSE GOALS. OWNING THE GOALS AS IS, IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AS THE TOP LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DRIVING THE DIRECTION AND DRIVING THE ACTIVITIES AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE, UH, INITIATIVES WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT AFFECT VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND, AND PERHAPS OTHER ELECTED DEPARTMENTS TOO. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS COMMUNICATION WITH THE, THE TEAM THAT THE, THAT, THAT THE JUDGE AND I HAVE SELECTED, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START MEETING, ROWING UP OUR SLEEVES AND GIVING OUT DIRECTION FOR HOW WE INTEGRATE INVISIO INTO THE, THE PROCESS. INVISIO HAS SUCCESSFUL, UM, TRANSFORMATION WITH COUNTIES. UM, CAMMIE AND I HAVE VISITED WITH, UM, A NUMBER OF THE COUNTIES AND OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE USING INVISIO WITH THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS. AND WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS. AND I KNOW THAT EACH OF US, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE OVERVIEW WITH, UM, WITH INVISIO BACK LAST MONTH, YOU SAW HE, HE PULLED OUT EXAMPLES FOR HIM TO SHOW YOU OF HOW THE OTHER COUNTIES OR CITIES ARE DOING IT. CORRECT. IS IS QUESTION, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA GO OVER AT THE MEETING COMING UP IN MCKINNEY? IS THAT, OR ARE THERE GONNA BE OTHER COUNTIES? THERE WILL BE, YES. THAT, THAT MEETING IS GOING TO SHOW SOME THAT, THAT WILL SHOW SOME BEST PRACTICES AND SHOW SOME EXAMPLES. BUT THAT MEETING HAS BEEN, UM, MODIFIED TO ONLY FOUR PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTY CAN ATTEND ONLY FOUR. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL LAST WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY BEFORE THE HOLIDAY. ARE YOU SAYING I DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT? I DIDN'T SAY I I DIDN'T SAY YOU DID. NO, SIR. I DID NOT. SOMEBODY DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT. I, I SAID THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE THE CUT. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S YES MA'AM. I SAID, BUT WE HAVE THREE OTHERS THAT WE DO NEED TO DO THAT FOR. OKAY. BUT I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS COMMUNICATION BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT BUY-IN. WE, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BUY-IN FROM OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LITERATURE THAT BAKER TILLY PROVIDED US, WHICH HAD SO MUCH GREAT, UM, UM, FACTS IN IT, IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP COMMITMENT AND YOU HAVE SUPPORT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT. YOU'LL HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THOSE, WITH THE, WITH THE DEPARTMENTS. AND, AND THAT STILL HAS TO PERCOLATE UP TO, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATIONS FOR THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE ALIGNMENT AND ACROSS OUR DEPARTMENTS, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT FROM A LOT OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD FROM OUR BUDGET MEETINGS IS I LIKE THAT WE CAN [02:00:01] HAVE, FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT, BECAUSE WE CAN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS, THIS SOFTWARE, AND THIS STRATEGIC PLAN AS A WAY TO EMPOWER OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, WHERE THEY CAN HAVE OWNERSHIP IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS OF A NUMBER OF STRATEGIC PLANS. NOT, I'M NOT TALKING JUST GOVERNMENT, I'M TALKING IN THE CORPORATE AMERICA AS WELL, IS WHEN THE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF COMMUNICATING AND MAKING THE, THE, THE, THE GROUP AND IN OUR CASES GOVERNMENT AWARE, THEY ACCEPT IT, THEY UNDERSTAND IT, AND ULTIMATELY THEY BECOME COMMITTED TO IT. AND IF THO IF THOSE, IF THOSE STEPS ARE TAKEN, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ROADMAP THAT BAKER TILLY GAVE US. IF WE, IF WE CAN UTILIZE AND WE CAN IMPLEMENT THOSE, WE CAN SEE SUCCESS. NOW, I'M GONNA KIND OF JUST JUMP FORWARD AND, UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA TAKE THIS WHOLE MEETING UP. I, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND HERE AND YOU GUYS CAN READ SOME OF THIS, BUT, UM, I DO WANNA, UH, I DO WANNA GO FORWARD IF YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN. I DID NOT PRINT THIS OUT FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT 17 PAGES. OKAY. BUT YOU ALL HAVE IT IN, THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BACK ON MARCH 5TH FROM BAKER TILLY. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE ARE TWO PAGES IN IT, IF Y'ALL WILL. AND I, I THINK I PUT IT ON THE, WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT SECTION. IF YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT PAGE FOUR AND FIVE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE STEP FOUR THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW DO YOU COORDINATE THE ROLES AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE STRATEGIC GOAL OWNERS. WE'VE KIND OF DONE THAT. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S, JUST BECAUSE WE OWN IT, THERE IS STILL OTHER STEPS INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE NEXT PART ABOUT THAT IS, IS THAT TALKS ABOUT WE HAVE TO ALIGN, STEP FIVE SAYS YOU HAVE TO ALIGN THE BUDGET WITH THE STRATEGIC GOALS AND THE OPERATING INITIATIVES. KUDOS TO YOU, COMMISSIONER LTI, YOU'VE, YOU'VE STARTED DOING THAT, JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TODAY. UM, THAT WAS, BUT SAYING IT, AND THEN PUTTING IT INTO THIS SOFTWARE PROCE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE, IS GOING TO BE HOW IT IS, IT IS SHOWN AND IT'S FORWARD FACING FOR EVERY, ALL OF US TO SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY OR WHENEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT. OKAY. SO, UM, I WANNA BE A GOOD, GOOD PERSON. AND SO I WANT TO TRY AND COME GET THE STRATEGIC PLAN ROLLING. MM-HMM . SO THIS WEEK, JOHN, AND LAST WEEK, LAST WEEK I LAID OUT ON SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS MM-HMM . THIS IS COMPLIANCE WITH STRATEGIC PLAN, RIGHT. A THREE OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. SO HOW DO I I I, I WOULDN'T BEGIN TO KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT INTO THIS. WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT READY TO BE PUT IN BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T MET WITH INVISIO AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED PUTTING IT IN THE SOFTWARE IS THERE. THE THE PAGES WILL BE, CAN BE CREATED. THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CREATED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE TEMPLATES. OKAY. OKAY. AND YOU PUT THE DATA IN. BUT WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO THAT. THOSE, WE HAVE TO START OUT WITH THOSE KEY INDIVIDUALS THAT THE JUDGE AND I HAVE MET WITH, AND WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND START KIND OF PIECEMEALING AND, AND DETERMINING ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THAT GROUP. OKAY. AND THEN IT'LL GO INTO, THEN, THEN THE, THEN THE GOALS WILL, WILL, WILL BE FLESHED OUT. AND THEN WHO IN EACH OF THOSE GOALS WILL HAVE, WILL HAVE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE COUNTY THAT'LL BE INVOLVED WITH THAT AS WELL. OKAY. WE'RE CL WE'RE, WE'RE JUST BEHIND. WE'RE ONLY BEHIND. AND AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, I MEAN THAT IN MARCH 5TH, WELL, I, THEY, THEY GAVE US DATES HERE AND I MEAN, WE WERE, THE TIMELINE WAS APRIL TILL JULY. WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND ON THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT I STILL THINK WE CAN RECOVER, YOU KNOW? I'M SURE WE CAN. I'M SURE WE CAN. YEAH. AND I, AND I DON'T, I, I, GREAT. NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. IT'S FRUSTRATING. I KNOW. IT'S, IT IS FRUSTRATING. BUT HE MADE IT HIMSELF. YEAH, HE DID. YEAH, HE DID IT. YEAH. BUT, BUT I MEAN, I, I, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT I, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA PUSH IT SO FAST THAT WE FAIL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A KEY TOO. AND THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE BUY-IN FROM OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE BUY-IN FROM THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS. THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WE HAD, WE HAD HOPED TO DO IN APRIL AND MAY, AND WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AS, AS, UM, MR. KIPPET SAID, WE'RE 90 DAYS BEHIND. AND ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO MAKE UP AT LEAST 60 OF THOSE 90 DAYS IN THE TIME AND DO IT CORRECTLY. I DON'T WANNA JUST DO IT HALFWAY. I WANNA DO IT 100%. AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE ON THE COURT AS WELL. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST SPEED THROUGH THAT AND CATCH UP IS NO, I THINK THAT IS GONNA, THAT IS GONNA JUST LOOK, THE MOMENTUM ON THIS IS KIND OF DEAD, JUST TO BE HONEST RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . AND, UM, AND IF WE SPEED THROUGH IT, WE'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH MOMENTUM AGAIN. RIGHT. I THOUGHT [02:05:01] WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING LIKE A KICKOFF WITH THE TEAM, WITH THE EMPLOYEES, WITH CREATING SOME EXCITEMENT. THE FIRST PART TO ANY PLAN I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF, AND I, AND I'VE BEEN A PART OF MANY IS, IS YOU HAVE TO CREATE A MOVEMENT AROUND IT. OR YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET BUY-IN. YOU GOTTA CREATE SOME EXCITEMENT. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KICKOFF THAT WE WERE DOING IN, IN MY MIND, SOME OF THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON THIS INVISIO MEETING COMING UP IN MCKINNEY. OKAY. THAT, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE A PART OF, AND THEN BRING BEST PRACTICES BACK. OH. AND THEN HAVE IT HAVE, HAVE, HAVE THE COUNTYWIDE MEETING. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT, WHAT I'M VERY LEERY OF WITH THIS, WITH EACH OF US BEING ASSIGNED DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS, IS IF WE JUST SAY, OKAY, GO THEN ABOUT THE THIRD COMMISSIONER THAT WALKS INTO A DEPARTMENT HEAD TO HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. IT, IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA CHECK OUT. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION. WHAT DO WE DO FIRST? MM-HMM . UH, AND, AND I THINK THIS MCKINNEY MEETING WILL, MY HOPE IS GIVE US THAT. DO, DID YOU DO IT ALL AT ONCE? SLOWLY, HOW DID YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS RESPOND? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING BUY-IN IS CORRECT, BUT IF WE JUST ATTACK AND TRY TO FORCE BUY-IN, WE, WE MAY NEVER GET BUY-IN. SO WHO ARE THE OTHER TWO GOING WITH THE TWO OF Y'ALL TO THE MCKINNEY MEETING? WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT YET. BUT, BUT, BUT JUDGE, I, I DISAGREE WITH A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. I THINK THAT THE MCKINNEY WILL BE GREAT AND IT'LL HELP SUPPORT IT. BUT THE OTHER COUNTIES AND OR MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAVE DONE STRATEGIC PLANS, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES WHO HAVE DONE STRATEGIC PLANS. IF THEY HAD A ROADMAP AND A, AND AN IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT, LIKE WHAT WE WERE GIVEN ON MARCH 5TH, WHICH HAS STEP BY STEP AND IDENTIFIES ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, JUST IF WE'D BEEN GIVEN, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS BEST PRACTICES THING EVENT IN, IN MCKINNEY. OKAY. AND THEY WOULD'VE EXECUTED IT AS, AS BAKER TILLY PROVIDED IT TO US. SO DO, DO WE HAVE BEST PRACTICES FROM THEM? SO I UNDERSTAND BAKER CHILI'S WELL, UH, UH, UH, FOCUSED ON CITIES PRIMARILY. TH THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THEIR WHEELHOUSE. WELL, NO, WE'VE TALKED WITH, UH, EL PASO COUNTY, KIMMY, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE TALKED WITH EL PASO COUNTY. WHAT OTHER COUNTY? I MEAN, I'VE TALKED WITH THE LADY THAT'S NOW IN DENTON COUNTY, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, SHE WAS WITH THE CITY OF IRVING, BUT SHE THEN WAS TAKEN OVER TO DENTON COUNTY. UM, MOST OF THE COMMUNICATION WAS WITH MCKINNEY IN EL PASO. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE BAKER TILLY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE INVISIO PORTION OF THIS NOW. AND I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH THEM ABOUT HOW WE DO THIS. BECAUSE WHILE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAANA, MOMENTUM IS ALL BUT ALL BUT DEAD. WE CAN REGENERATE IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE VERY THOUGHTFULLY. MM-HMM . AND STRATEGICALLY MM-HMM . MM-HMM . NO PUN INTENDED. ABSOLUTELY. THAT, THAT WE, WE CAN'T JUST, UH, UH, JUST SAY, GO AND, AND, AND. CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. UH, WE, WE HAVE, I, I WOULD LIKE, UH, AND, AND PART OF MY, UH, BRINGING EVERYTHING UP TO SPEED, I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE THIS BEFORE. A A A COUNTY AND, AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED IT. HOW DID YOU IMPLEMENT IT? WHAT PUSHBACK DID YOU GET? WHAT DID YOUR ELECTED SAY TO YOU? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAME. WE'RE GONNA GET BUY-IN AND I'M ALL FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO GET BUY-IN OR, OR WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP PUSHING THIS STONE UP THE HILL. BUT THERE, THERE, THERE'S, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITIES AND BAKER TILLY DOING CORPORATIONS VERSUS GOVERNMENT. A A THIRD OF OUR EMPLOYEES CAN JUST SAY, PASS. WELL, AND, AND, AND, AND WE, WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THIS IS BENEFICIAL FOR THEM, BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITIZENS, AND TIE IT BACK TO, TO, TO THE CITIZENS. REALLY. AND, AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND STRUCTURALLY, STRATEGICALLY, HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, BUT IF A THIRD OF OUR EMPLOYEES SAY PASS, THEY'RE NOT BEING GOOD EMPLOYEES. I, I AGREE. I AGREE. I AGREE. SO THE BE THE BEST CHANCE IS TO TELL THEM, UH, ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO SELL IT TO EACH ELECTED. THIS IS WHAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO SEE. THIS IS HOW YOUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO JUDGE YOU. HERE'S, HERE'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GRADING SHEET HERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE SOFTWARE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. 'CAUSE AS, AS YOU KNOW, AND I KIND OF SENSE SOME OF YOUR FRUSTRATION, 'CAUSE I, I FEEL IT AS WELL, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WE'VE GOT SO MANY THINGS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WE'VE ALREADY CHECKED OFF. WE'VE JUST NOT COMMUNICATED IT YET. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL FOCUSED ON IT. WE HAD OF, OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME FOR THE BUDGET, WHAT DO WE HAVE, SIX, SEVEN THAT DIRECTLY TIED THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS TO A STRATEGIC PLAN. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A WIN NOW. [02:10:01] SIX OR SEVEN THAT DID HOW MANY THAT DIDN'T. THE, THE, THE, THE VAST MAJORITY. SO I, I, I WANT TO BE ABLE, WHEN I SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING IT IN A MANNER, IN A STEP THAT IS NOT DESTINED TO FAIL. ALRIGHT. I, I, I KNOW THAT I AND KAMI CAN GIVE YOU NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT BOTH SHE AND I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO, AND THEY, AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY VISIT WITH THEM. I, I, I, AND GET THERE AND, AND HAVE THEM, AND I CAN'T PROMISE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE MEETING ON JULY OR NOT. I AND AND ARE THESE BAKER TILLY AND INVISIO OR JUST BAKER TILLY? MOST OF 'EM WERE INVISIO. I THINK INVIS, I KNOW EL PASO IS 'CAUSE THAT'S EL PASO AND, AND, AND IRVING AND DENNER. INVISIO. I KNOW THAT. SO DENTON COUNTY, IS SHE, SHE, WELL, SHE'S IN DENTON COUNTY NOW. THEY, THEY, SHE WENT FROM IRVING CITY OF IRVING TO DENTON COUNTY. OKAY. YES. SO I CAN GIVE YOU THOSE AND, UM, AND SO YOU CAN VISIT WITH THEM, BUT, BUT I THINK WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T WAIT TOO MUCH. I MEAN, YOU CAN BE DOING THAT. UM, JUDGE. BUT, BUT THERE ARE STEPS THAT WERE WERE TO BE DONE IN APRIL AND JULY, APRIL THROUGH JULY THAT WE CAN STILL BE DOING IN TANDEM WITH THAT AND, AND INVIS. BUT INVISIO CAN'T START PUTTING OUR DATA INTO THE, INTO THE, THE, THE, THE SOFTWARE UNTIL WE DECIDE WHO THESE TEAM INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO BE. AND WE DON'T WANNA DO THE TEAM INDIVIDUALS UNTIL WE HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATIONS AND WE HAVE THE BUY-IN. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, WE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE STEPS THAT WE'RE GIVEN HERE. AND THOSE ARE THE STEPS. WE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE THEY'RE CRUCIAL. THEY'RE CRUCIAL. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I MEAN, WE'LL FAIL IF WE DON'T DO 'EM. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S COMING FROM WORKING IN CORPORATE AMERICA WHERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BUY-IN FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR EMPLOYEE. WELL, THE C CORPORATE AMERICA THOUGH, YOU CAN FORCE BUY-IN. WELL, I MEAN, AS, AS AN EXECUTIVE, THEY CAN ALSO, THEY CAN ALSO, YOU CAN SAY, WE ARE MOVING, YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE YOU'VE MOVED, YOU WILL NOT BE HERE ANY LONGER. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. OR SOMEBODY LIKE, YOU WILL FOLLOW THIS PLAN. RIGHT. WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH ELECTEDS, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH, BUT, BUT DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT HAVE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO THOUGH, THAT WE, WE CAN DO. YEAH. CORRECT. THAT WE CAN DO. I, I THINK THE MOMENTUM SHOULD GET STARTED AS SOON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. LISTEN, A LOT OF THE THINGS WE DO IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, WE'RE ON THE FOREFRONT. WE DON'T NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO TELL US WHAT TO DO. WE JUST NEED TO GET TO WORK. AND, UH, I THINK WE CAN CREATE MOTIVATION WITHOUT KNOWING EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. BECAUSE FRANKLY, DURING THE FIRST KICKOFF, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT EVERY LITTLE DETAIL BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL RUN AWAY FROM US. MM-HMM. . SO, AND LEAVE. SO WE JUST NEED TO START CREATING EXCITEMENT. WE HAVE JIM WHO CAN HELP US CRAFT SOME MESSAGES, UH, INTERNALLY TO OUR FOLKS TO GET THEM TO GET EXCITED ABOUT IT. UM MM-HMM. WE CAN TARGET SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS TO START WITH. THERE'S A TON OF STUFF WE CAN DO. RIGHT. I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE HOW TO START MM-HMM . AND, AND, AND GET ROCKING. AND TO ME, TO ME, HOW WE START IS GET THIS KICKOFF MEETING SCHEDULED AND LET'S GET SOME EXCITEMENT GOING. I AGREE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. GREAT. I AGREE. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE ROLL ROCK. WELL THEN THAT'S REALLY, IF, IF, IF THAT'S, I DON'T HAVE TO REALLY SHOW ALL THE, THE, IF YOU WANNA JUST KIND OF GO TO THE VERY LAST, LAST, UM, SLIDE I HAD FOR YOU GUYS. THAT IS THE STRATEGIC, THE PROPOSED STRATEGIC STRATEGY EXECUTION TIMELINE. OKAY. I MEAN, I, I, I GAVE YOU SOME GREAT INFORMATION ABOUT, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO READ IT, UM, AS FAR AS, AS, AS FAR AS, UM, THE, WHAT BAKER TILLY GAVE US AND KIND OF HOW WE GET THIS KICKOFF DONE. 'CAUSE WE DO WANNA FOLLOW, WE WANNA FOLLOW BEST PRACTICES ON THAT, GUYS. BUT, UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE NE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, JUDGE, UM, SINCE YOU AND I HAD PLANNED TO, TO, TO, TO WORK ON THIS, I'D LIKE US TO FINALIZE THE MAN, THE, THE CHANGE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP TEAM. OKAY. SO I, I WOULD SAY LET'S, UH, WE, WE, WE CAN DO THAT THE END OF THIS WEEK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH EL PASO OR WHOEVER ELSE OKAY. HAS IMPLEMENTED THIS. I'VE, I'VE WRITTEN THAT DOWN. MM-HMM . UM, 'CAUSE TRULY I THINK THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR A BIG MISSTEP IF WE DON'T AT LEAST KNOW OKAY. WHAT OTHERS RAN INTO, HOW AND WHY AND HOW THEY OVERCAME IT. AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE NOT WHAT I SAID. JUST REMEMBER, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT VERY GOOD. MAY, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE NOT. AND, AND THAT, THAT MAY WELL BE ALL I GET FROM THAT IS NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS, SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT BEST WE CAN. YEAH. BUT I WOULD AT LEAST, I THINK THERE'S WELL THERE IF YOU ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE MM-HMM . THERE'S SOME INFORMATION TO BE GAINED. I THINK SO TOO. I THINK SO TOO. OKAY. WELL, I WILL GET YOU THEIR NAMES FOR YOU TOO, BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. OKAY. AND, AND, ALL RIGHT. AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME OTHER NUMBERS TOO, BUT I'VE GOT THE NUMBERS, SO, ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN WHAT I THINK THE NEXT YEAH, GO AHEAD. [02:15:03] . SORRY, I'M FAR AWAY FROM A MICROPHONE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. I DO, I HAD SOME LENGTHY SUMMARY EMAILS THAT I SHARED WITH YOU AFTER, UM, I TALKED TO EL PASO AND I THINK DURHAM COUNTY, FLORIDA WAS ANOTHER ONE AND MAYBE ONE OTHER. UM, I, I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD THAT INFORMATION TO YOU BECAUSE I DID ASK THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, PUSHBACK, HOW'D YOU MOVE FORWARD? AND, UM, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF QUESTIONS. SO THAT MAY ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS. NO, I'D, I'D LOVE TO, HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED AND HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT. AND THEN WHATEVER OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, THEN WE COULD CERTAINLY SET UP. YEAH. MM-HMM . YEAH, BECAUSE I'M IMMEDIATELY GONNA GET TO, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY? MM-HMM . OH, YEAH. I MEAN, WITH KNOWING THE PUSHBACK YOU HAD, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? OKAY. UM, I'LL FORWARD THOSE EMAILS TO YOU TODAY, AND I'LL COPY COMMISSIONER M**K, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN SET UP A CALL OR FIND NUMBERS FOR, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS I TALKED TO, TO ANSWER YOUR FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. PERFECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ON THIS NEXT ONE, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT I LIKE COMMISSIONER ANA, YOU JUST SAID, WE JUST GOTTA START MOVING ON THIS AND THAT. I, I HAD THE SAME MINDSET LAST NIGHT WHEN I WAS PUTTING THIS TIMELINE AGAIN TOGETHER YESTERDAY AND LAST NIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM TODAY TO WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN OVERSEE THE IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PROCESS. AND BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE EIGHT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, THAT BAKER, TILLY, GA BAKER, TILLY GAVE US MANY OF THE, AND THIS IS THE CASE IN EL PASO, AND, AND DEFINITELY, BUT MANY OF THE CASES, THEY HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, A COUNTY, OUR COORDINATOR OR ORGANIZATIONAL PERFORMANCE MANAGER, WHATEVER THE TITLE YOU WANT TO WHATEVER THEY WANNA HAVE IT. AND IN FACT, THEY SAY THAT THESE ARE MAINLY LARGER COUNTIES THAN THEY SAID DALLAS, TARRANT, HARRIS, DENTON, EL PASO COUNTY, BAY HEART, , THEY HAVE THESE POSITIONS. SO THEY SAY FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY, SINCE THE ROCKWELL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN IS WIDE RATE, UH, REACHING AND SPANS MANY TECHNICAL AREAS AND, AND ELECTED OFFICE OFFICES, DEDICATED SUPPORT IS NEEDED. THIS CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED BY THE OTHER POSITIONS MENTIONED ABOVE. UM, ROCKWELL COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR AN EXTERNAL SUPPORT RELATED TO ASSIST THE EXECUTION OF THE PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES. WE RECOMMEND EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR HIRING OR OUTSOURCING THIS ROLE. SO THE, THE COUNTY CAN EITHER A, DIVIDE THE WORK BY THE POSITION, OR B, CONSIDER ADDING THIS AS A ROLE WITH RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN. NOW, THIS CAME ON THE MARCH 5TH PRE, UM, PRESENTATION BY BAKER TILLY. THOSE WERE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT ADVOCATING TOTALLY ON THAT. I, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SUCCESS OF THIS NEEDS TO, AS FAR AS GETTING, GETTING US GOING AT THIS POINT, NEEDS TO BE WITH ONE PERSON, ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WOULD EITHER PLAY A ROLE IN HOW THESE OTHER COUNTIES, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS THEIR SUCCESS, AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WAS LEADING IT. OKAY. AND WE WERE FORTUNATE WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAD A, WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL STRATEGIC PLANNING CONSULTING COMPANY, AND THEN WE HAD TWO OTHER PROFESSIONALS THAT DID IT FOR A LIVING THAT WERE HELPING, HELPING THIS COURT, MEANING MR. KIPP AND MR. BRECKENRIDGE HELPING US ALONG THE WAY, TOO. WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU AND I HAD TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT TOGETHER. OUR SCHEDULES JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATING AND WORKING IN TANDEM TOGETHER. UM, FRANK, SO, UM, I AM HAPPY BECAUSE I HAVE INVESTED SO MUCH IN THIS STRATEGIC PLAN. I AM HAPPY TO, TO TAKE THIS OVER. I WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT MAYBE EITHER, UM, FINDING AND WORKING WITH SOMEONE WITHIN ONE OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES SO THAT I COULD USE THEM AND CALL THEM AND, AND, AND HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WHERE I WOULD SAY, LOOK, CAN YOU, AND I HAVE A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION EVERY WEEK, AND I, AND I HAVE MY QUESTIONS READY FOR THEM, AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD BE MENTORING ME ON ANYTHING THAT COMES UP THAT I DON'T FEEL MY SKILLSET, UM, IN GOVERNMENT. IT, IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT, WOULD BE RIGHT FOR US TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. . I MEAN, I, I I, I, I TRULY DO, BECAUSE IT SCARES ME BECAUSE I, I KNOW. 'CAUSE IT, ITS A LOT, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT ON THESE SHOULDERS. . IT'S A LOT. IIII KNOW YOU DO AS WE ALL DO. AND YEAH. AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, AND I'M GONNA SAY ON, ON THE RECORD NOW, THIS IS, IT'S REALLY TREMENDOUS THAT THE ENTIRE COURT I IS WORKING FULL-TIME PLUS MM-HMM . FOR THE COUNTY NOW. I MEAN, IT, IT'S MM-HMM . IT'S UNHEARD OF. NOT JUST HERE, BUT OTHER COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER COUNTIES. RIGHT. UH, THAT, THAT THIS HAPPENED. SO I, I, I DO REALIZE THAT. UM, BUT I THINK IF WE, IF WE, IF YOU AND I DETERMINE WHO THIS, WHO THIS LEADERSHIP TEAM IS, WHICH IS THE FIRST, THE FIRST ITEM WE HAD, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE, EVERYONE HAS THE BUY-IN. AND I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE THAT WAS IN THE MEETING IN, UM, IN LATE [02:20:01] IN, IN MAY, I THINK THEY ARE. BUT I THINK ANOTHER CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HELD AT THIS POINT. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I FEEL LIKE THAT, AND, AND CAMMIE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL, I THINK THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. UM, UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT, I DON'T WANNA SET US UP FOR FAILURE, GUYS. AGREED. AGREED. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, THAT JUST KIND OF TAKES US DOWN. THEN WE WILL FINALIZE WHO THAT, THAT, THAT TEAM IS. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE WHO THE TEAM IS, THEN THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE THE END OF THE END OF THE MONTH. OKAY. SO THE, THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT, WHICH OF THE GOALS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AND WHERE, WHERE THEY FIT IN ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITHIN VIZIO. THAT WILL ALSO BEGIN TO TELL ME AS WE LOOK AT, AT THE PLAN JUDGE, THAT'S GONNA HELP US KNOW WHO THOSE FOUR PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE GOING TO ATTEND THE MEETING. OKAY. OR THREE OTHERS. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S, I, THAT'S WHY I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHO NEEDS TO BE. I THINK IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY CHANGE. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME BIG ONES THIS MORNING. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO. OKAY. UM, THEN AS WE ARE STARTING, THEN THAT PROCESS, WE WILL HAVE THE INVISIO TRAINING AND THE COACHING. THIS COULD PROBABLY HAPPEN SOONER. I JUST WAS GIVING US, HE, THEY'RE ALREADY CALLING ME. THEY CALLED ME LAST WEEK, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START TRAINING YOUR PEOPLE ? AND I'M LIKE, I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BUY-IN AND WE HAVE THE, OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE WHOLE COUNTY IS, NEEDS TO BE DONE. WELL, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE, THE COURT TO HAVE THE TRAINING AS WELL. OH, OH, OF COURSE. OH, YEAH. WE ALL NEED TO. YES. UM, SO I MEAN, MAY MAYBE, MAYBE WE START THERE. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I, I, IS IT IF ANYONE IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SOME OF THESE DATES, UM, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN STONE. I WAS JUST AS I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT ALL WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE, IE CALLED A BUDGET AND A, UH, ROAD TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES AND, UM, BUILDINGS WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLETE. I JUST DON'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH ON, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO, I WANT, I WANT, UM, OUR CITIZENS, MR. KIPP'S COMMENTS. I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE ARE TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN PUT INTO FOR THE FY 26 BUDGET IN HERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN THAT JUST KIND OF TAKES US, WE'LL, WE'LL BEGIN TO START, UM, AND ANALYZING ANY KIND OF RISKS OR IMPACTS WE'RE SEEING, UM, THAT I THINK, I THINK SOMETIME BY SEPTEMBER, I'LL, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FOR YOU GUYS. AND, UM, AND THEN WE WILL START LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. AND HOPEFULLY, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, HOPEFULLY BEFORE WE BREAK FOR THE HOLIDAYS, WE'LL, WE'LL SIT BACK DOWN AND DO PROBABLY A WORKSHOP TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S THE, WHAT EVERYBODY IS, UM, SAYING, AND IF WE, IF WE PUSH THIS TOO FAST. GOT IT. SO WHAT, UH, WHAT ACTION IS NECESSARY TODAY, IF ANY? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A ROADMAP. YEAH. I THINK IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, THERE'S NOT REALLY A A, BUT IF YOU'RE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ANY OF THIS? I DON'T HAVE COMMENTS, BUT A QUESTION. YES. UH, COULD YOU SEND ME THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN? YOU'VE JUST BEEN WAVING AROUND THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH. YES, SIR. I'LL BE HAPPY. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER M**K. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE [11. Discuss/Act on approving a Resolution supporting SB 2878 and the 503rd District Court, and all related issues; (Commissioner GaIlana) ] GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING SB 28 78 AND THE 503RD DISTRICT COURT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER ALANA. SO THIS IS, UM, REALLY JUST A SIMPLE RESOLUTION THAT JUST STATES THE COURT'S, UM, DESIRE TO HAVE OUR 503RD DISTRICT COURT, UM, REINSTATED AFTER IT WAS, UM, VETOED, VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR RUDELY. WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEND THIS TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES INTO ANYBODY ELSE WHO, WHO WE FEEL IS, UM, NECESSARY. SO, SO THEY CAN USE IT AS A, AS A TOOL AS NEEDED. COR CORRECT. IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DO THIS FOR OUR, OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND OUR SENATOR, SO THEY CAN USE THIS TO SHOW THAT WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN SUPPORT OF ALREADY PREPARING FOR, UM, THE 503RD. YEAH. I THINK, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU WRITING THIS. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB. UM, YOU KNOW, POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING COURTROOMS. UM, AND SO WE ARE, WE, WE'RE NOT JUST A COUNTY THAT'S JUST BEGGING FOR A COURT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ROOM AND, AND ABILITY TO DO IT. SO, ALL RIGHT. IF SOMEBODY'S PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, I WILL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING SB 28 78 AND THE 503RD DISTRICT COURT. ALL GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GUANA. THIS BRINGS US TO [12. Discuss and act on using unused personnel funds from Jail Operations at approximately $758,000 and unused funds from the Sheriff's Office at approximately $554,00 to purchase Vehicles for the Sheriff's Department and set aside remaining money for Sheriff Renovations, and all related issues; (Commissioner GaIlana)] AGENDA ITEM 12, DISCUSS AN ACT ON USING UNUSED PERSONNEL FUNDS [02:25:01] FROM JAIL OPERATIONS AT APPROXIMATELY $758,000 AND UNUSED FUNDS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AT APPROXIMATELY $554,000 TO PURCHASE VEHICLES FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND SET ASIDE REMAINING MONEY FOR THE SHERIFF'S RENOVATIONS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER ALANA. OKAY, SO WE, WE TOUCHED ON THIS ALREADY AND, AND, AND KIND OF WHAT MY IDEA IS FOR THIS MONEY, THIS IS PERSONNEL MONEY THAT IS, UM, NOT GONNA BE USED TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. UM, WE NEED TO PURCHASE NINE VEHICLES, UM, FOR THE SHERIFF OPERATIONS, UM, AT A MINIMUM. AND THAT'S 80, 85,000 A PIECE. WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, THE WAY THAT IT WORKS WITH GOVERNMENT PRICING IS WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE UNTIL AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR STARTS, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE THERE. AND CAPTAIN BROWN SAYS, WITH 85,000 EACH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE, OKAY. SO THAT'S $765,000, UH, THAT WE WILL NEED TO PURCHASE THOSE VEHICLES. THAT'S INCLUDING GETTING 'EM OUTFITTED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, WITH ALL THE GEAR THAT THEY NEED. SO THAT'S MY MAIN GOAL, IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT THAT MONEY IN THE, UH, OVER AT THE JAIL AND THE SHERIFF TO USE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SOMEHOW, SINCE IT IS GONNA GO UNUSED. IT ALSO GIVES US FLEXIBILITY. WE WILL SILO SOME OF THAT INTO A FUND. UM, AND IT'LL GIVE US FLEXIBILITY TO BUY SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES NOW, BUT ALSO BUY SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES LATER SO THAT WE'RE NOT CAUGHT UP TRYING TO BUY ALL NINE OF THEM WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD IS TRYING TO BUY THEIR VEHICLES. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO US LAST YEAR IS WE DID BUY 'EM ALL RIGHT AT ONE TIME, AND THEN IF YOU EVER DROVE BY OVER THERE, YOU COULD JUST SEE 'EM SITTING FOREVER. MM-HMM . THEY SIT FOREVER FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DONE CYCLING THE OLD CAR YET. TWO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT FOREVER, UM, IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE TO GET THEM OUTFITTED AT PURSUIT. AND SO WE WANT TO TIME THAT. UM, IN FACT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR, UM, JUST AS A SIDEBAR, IS WE'RE GONNA GET IN LINE AT PURSUIT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TO GET THESE THINGS OUTFITTED. UM, AND WE MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BOUGHT THE CAR YET, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO, AND WE CAN BUY THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE CAR AND THEN WHEN WE BUY THE CAR, WE'RE NOT SITTING ON TWO CARS PAYING INSURANCE, JUST MAYBE ONE AND DRIVING IT OVER THERE TO GET DONE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD PLAN. I KNOW THE MID-YEAR PURCHASES IS HOW YOU GET VEHICLES. YEAH. MID, MID-YEAR WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A DEALER. UH, USUALLY IF YOU HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, WHEN YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA SELL TWO OR THREE VEHICLES THAT FIT MY NEEDS FOR YOUR DEALER FLOOR OR YOUR FINANCE, WHATEVER IT IS WITH, UM, WITH CORPORATION, UM, THEN GIVE ME A CALL AND I'LL BUY THOSE FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, BUT YOU ALWAYS GET THOSE AT A BETTER PRICE ALWAYS. UM, SO IF WE CAN CREATE THAT FLEXIBILITY, UM, IT'LL BE GREAT. IT'LL, IT'LL SAVE US MONEY. I CAN'T TELL YOU AN EXACT AMOUNT, BUT WE'LL PAY LESS THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY PAY FOR CARS DOING IT THAT WAY. SO WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT ON THIS COMMISSIONER IS FOR US TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUY NINE CARS. NINE, AND, AND THEN THE, OBVIOUSLY THAT LEAVES US WITH ROUGHLY $540,000 LEFT. YEAH. IT SHOULD LEAVE US WITH LIKE 5 55 OR SO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT LEFT OVER. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CHOOSE TO LEAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET, UH, OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO USE THAT FOR COMMISSIONER STACY'S SHERIFF REMODEL PROJECT. WE DON'T NEED, WE DON'T NEED TO BUY MORE VEHICLES THAN THAT ON THE SHERIFF'S SIDE. SO WE'LL HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WE NEED. WHAT ABOUT OTHER VEHICLES BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE FLEET COMMITTEE? SO WE DO HAVE FOUR VEHICLES, UH, BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE FLEET COMMITTEE AS WELL. ONE OF THEM IS CONTINGENT ON A NEW POSITION. IF WE DECIDE TO HAVE ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR, WE'LL NEED TO BUY FOUR. UM, IF WE DON'T DECIDE TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR. IS THAT RIGHT, BARRY THREE OR AM I, IS IT FOUR AND FIVE? I FORGETTING ONE. I KNOW THAT WE NEED A, UH, WE'RE BUYING A, A TRUCK, UH, FOR ERICA, BECAUSE THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. IT'S A MAVERICK ALL WHEEL DRIVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. AND WE HAVE AN ANOTHER MAVERICK FOR IT. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, CAMRY THAT WE DESIGNATED WOULD BE FOR THE NEW INVESTIGATOR IF WE DECIDED TO GO THAT DIRECTION WITH THE BUDGET MAINTENANCE TRUCK. AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE TRUCK, THE F TWO 50 FOR MAINTENANCE. SO THOSE VEHICLES, THE MAINTENANCE TRUCK IS 68, THE MAVERICK IS 33 WITH THE ALL WHEEL DRIVE. THE OTHER MAVERICK IS 31. THAT IS NOT ALL WHEEL DRIVE. SO THAT'S SIXTY FOUR, A HUNDRED THIRTY 2000. THERE'S 132,000 IN CIVILIAN VEHICLES NEEDED. IF YOU ADD THE INVESTIGATOR AND THAT CAMRY'S 32,000, YOU NEEDED 164,000 IF YOU ADDED AN INVESTIGATOR AND THEY NEEDED A CAR. SO THAT'S ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE. WE COULD DO THAT WITH THIS MONEY OR WE COULD JUST BUDGET, BUDGET THAT [02:30:01] IN THE BUDGET. I'M TRYING TO HELP US WITH NEXT YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET A BIT AS WE ROLL ON THIS COURT FOR THE FIRST YEAR. AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. SO, AND, AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE JUST AS EXPENSIVE AND THE YEAR AFTER THAT WE'LL BE YEAH, WE'RE, WE WILL, ON THE SHERIFF'S SIDE, WE'RE IN ABOUT A NINE TO 10 CAR CYCLE. UH, AND, AND I'M REALLY TRYING TO SET US UP FOR THAT SO IT'S CONSISTENT. YEP. AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'RE KIND OF GETTING, WE WE'RE KIND OF GETTING THERE NOW AFTER LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR IF WE DECIDE TO GO THIS WAY, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TO WHERE WE, WE KNOW WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE NOW. GROWTH HAPPENS, COULD CHANGE OVER TIME. UM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF ON A NINE TO 10 CAR CYCLE. WELL, I APPRECIATE THIS AND FINDING MONEY, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF WE'RE USING MONEY THAT'S SAVED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT BUYING SHERIFF VEHICLES FOR, WE USE FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL. 'CAUSE IT'S HIS MONEY THAT HE SAVED. SO HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR HIS BUILDING. I THINK. SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD A MOTION LOOK LIKE ON, ON, ON THIS WOULD LISA? WE WANNA PUT IT IN THE CAPITAL PURCHASING FUND. YES. OH YEAH. I'D MOVE IT TO FUND 79. OKAY. UM, WHAT KIND OF, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS WERE MADE, UH, THAT THE SHERIFF UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT THIS MONEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM HIS BUDGET AND NOT AVAILABLE TO HIM FOR FUTURE HIRES. AT LEAST TILL NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. UNTIL, YEAH, UNTIL NEXT YEAR'S. BUT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WON'T RUN INTO AN ISSUE WHERE HE SAYS, HEY, I'VE GOT A GREAT CANDIDATE. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE, SO DO WE ONLY PULL OUT THE VEHICLE PART BECAUSE IT STILL LEAVES $555,000 IN HIS BUDGET IF WE ONLY PULL OUT THE PART WE NEED FOR VEHICLES? YEAH. THAT'S FOR THE SHERIFF. SO COMMISSIONER, THAT YOUR CALL, BUT COMMISSIONER GOANA, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE JUST PULLING THE 600, THE 765, PUTTING IT IN FUND 79 YEP. AS A CAPITAL PURCHASE AND THEN LETTING US GET TWO MORE MONTHS INTO THE BUDGET. YEP. AND THEN, THEN MAKE A, A, A SWIPE THAT THAT IS, I'M GOING TO, UM, HELP LISA TURN GRAY WHEN WE GET INTO THAT. SWIPE IN AUGUST, BUT YEAH. YEAH. I BELIEVE BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON TO MOVE IT, MOVE THE REST OF THAT MONEY. NOW WE, WE CAN LEAVE IT UNTIL THINGS BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. WELL, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED IT. WE'RE NOT. NO. I OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THIS MOTION. I DON'T. WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE WOULD MOVE. YEAH. SO BECAUSE WE COULD LEAVE THE REST OF IT IN HIS BUDGET OR WE COULD SILO IT FOR THE REMODEL. I'M ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 765,000 FOR VEHICLES. UHHUH . THE REST OF IT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE COURT THINKS IS BEST. AND WHAT MAY BE BEST IS WAITING IS LEAVING THAT MONEY IN HIS BUDGET. I I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE USED, BUT LEAVING THAT MONEY IN HIS BUDGET UNTIL THINGS BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AND THEN DECIDING WHAT TO DO WITH IT. YOUR OPINION IS TO MOVE IT TO THE SHERIFF REMODEL PROJECT. OKAY. THERE MAY BE OTHER OPINIONS TO GO SPEND IT ON CIVILIAN CARS, WHICH I, I WOULDN'T, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT DO. UM, I WOULD PREFER TO LEAVE IT WITH THE SHERIFF AS WELL, SINCE IT'S HIS BUDGETED MONEY. UM, BUT THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION LATER. BUT AT, AT THIS TIME OF THE BUDGET YEAR, IT'S ALL UP. IT'S ALL MY MONEY ALL, ALL OF IT. AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NO, NO. THIS IS LAST YEAR'S MONEY. IT IS LAST YEAR'S MONEY. THIS IS, THIS HAS DECIDED IT'S NOT SPENT, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS SAID LAST YEAR THIS IS GOING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YEP. YEP. AND, AND THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE YEAR BEFORE. RIGHT. IF IT'S 500 AND WHAT WAS THE NUMBER YOU GAVE? 5 55 I THINK IS WHAT WOULD BE LEFT SOMETHING MM-HMM . AND IF WE CAN SQUEEZE ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, GREAT. AND, BUT I WOULD, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BEST TO DO IT NOW OR LATER, BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UM, WHENEVER WE DO IT, I'M, I WOULD BE VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF TAKING ANY MONEY WE SAVE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MOVING IT INTO DOING THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE FUND BALANCE. I AGREE. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ENCUMBER THAT LATER. UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT THE PART I WANT TO, I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS THE VEHICLES JUST GET IT KNOCKED OUT, DONE AND SET THE MONEY ASIDE IN THE CAPITAL FUND. SO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A MOTION? YEP. IT'S D NINE 50. MM-HMM . IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, SO LISA, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, UM, I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOUR, FOR YOU TO HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED. UM, IF I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE $765,000 TO GO TO FUND 79 AND BE ABLE TO BE USED TO PURCHASE LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT DIRECTION WOULD YOU WANT FROM THE COURT IN ORDER FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO MOVE THAT MONEY INTO THAT FUND AND THEN FEEL COMFORTABLE WHENEVER, UH, CAPTAIN BROWN STARTS SENDING YOU [02:35:01] INVOICES TO BUY CARS, ALL, ALL, ALL THIS. YOU'LL MAKE THE MOTION TODAY. THEN THE NEXT UH, AGENDA ITEM WILL HAVE A BUDGET TRANSFERRED THAT WILL EXTRACT THAT MONEY FROM THE LINES THAT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TELLS US TO THAT, THAT SHE'S ACCOUNTED FOR. 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING THESE NUMBERS CAME FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. I WAS TOPPING IN THAT EMAIL. IT CAME FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. OKAY. SO, UH, I WILL MO DO A BUDGET TRANSFER FOR NEXT AGENDA, AND THEN THE MO MONEY WILL BE EXTRACTED FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PUT INTO FUND 79. AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S IN 79, WE JUST, IT'LL, IT'LL STAY ROLLED THROUGH AS A CAPITAL PURCHASE WHERE YOU'D NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE THE CARS BY SEPTEMBER, 2025. CORRECT. SO IT, IT WOULD BE IN ITS OWN SEPARATE FUND AND WE CAN PURCHASE, SO THEN THAT MONEY WOULD BE SITTING THERE AND WE, WE HAVE, I MEAN, YEARS TO PURCHASE THE CARS AS LONG AS WE USE IT TO PURCHASE CARS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN SILOED FOR. CORRECT. OKAY. I'M JUST GOT IT. JUST TRYING TO STATE. OKAY. SO, SO KIND OF WITH THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TRANSFER UNUSED PERSONNEL FUNDS FROM JAIL OPERATIONS AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, IN THE SUM OF $765,000 INTO FUND 79 FOR THE PURCHASE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL SECOND THAT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THIS BRINGS US TO [13. Discussion on the use, supervision, and scheduling of the Annex Multipurpose Room for the future amendment of the Facility Use Rule and Procedures, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy) ] AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSSION ON THE USE SUPERVISION AND SCHEDULING OF THE ANNEX MULTIPURPOSE ROOM FOR THE FUTURE AMENDMENT OF THE FACILITY, USE RULE AND PROCEDURES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. OKAY, SO, UM, I, I DON'T HONESTLY WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. I, I WANNA BRING IT BACK NEXT COURT TO HAVE A BETTER, A BETTER DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO SEE THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENT AND I WANT THE COURT TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS OF ITSELF. SO I WANT Y'ALL TO GET YOUR PINS OUT. WHO'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM? SOMEONE HAS TO BE A POINT PERSON. UM, SECONDLY, ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE SECURITY ANYTIME THAT IS USED AFTER HOURS? OR ARE WE GOOD WITH HAVING PEOPLE CHECK OUT KEYS, UM, AND USING THE BUILDING? THESE ARE QUESTIONS. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. ARE WE GOOD WITH MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL OPENING AND SHUTTING THE BUILDING RATHER THAN SECURITY PERSONNEL? WHAT ARE WE GONNA CHARGE? AND ARE WE GOOD SAYING THAT THE ELECTIONS DEFINITELY HAVE THE PRIORITY IN THAT ROOM AND PUTTING THAT INTO THE AGREEMENT SAYING, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT AN ELECTION, THIS ROOM IS AVAILABLE FOR BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THAT WAY IT MAINTAINS. SO THOSE ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ISSUES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FLUSH OUT. THE BUILDING WILL BE OPEN HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO START USING THAT ROOM. I, I CAN TELL YOU I WOULD LIKE IT, ITS USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER, UH, ROOMS THAT WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO RENT. YEP. CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO AT LIBERTY HALL AND . I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED SECURITY THERE THOUGH, DO WE? I I DON'T, I DON'T. I'VE HAD THIS THOUGHT ON AND OFF. I MEAN, I, I SEE IT FROM, FROM BOTH SIDES. UM, A COUPLE THINGS I I WOULD WANNA POINT OUT IN THIS BUILDING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR OTHER FACILITIES IS IF IT'S USED DURING NORMAL WORKING HOURS, UH, FOR AN OUTSIDE EVENT, JUST KEEP IN MIND THE, UH, THE PARKING THAT, THAT WILL TAKE UP AND, UM, THE TRAFFIC THAT IT WILL CREATE IN THE BUILDING FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS TRYING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AS WELL AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY YOU COME IN AND IT'S A SEPARATE ENTRANCE TO YOUR RIGHT, TO THAT MEETING ROOM. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF A, OF AN EFFECT ON, ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FACILITY. THIS IS USING THE SAME ENTRANCE, THE SAME HALLWAY THAT A LOT OF PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE USING. I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND LIBERTY HALL THOUGH, PEOPLE ARE USUALLY SCREENED. UM, IT DOES HAVE ITS OWN ENTRANCE AS WELL. NOT THAT WE USUALLY USE IT, BUT MUCH LARGER ENTRANCE AREA AND, AND WAYS FOR TRAFFIC TO GET TO IT THAN, THAN HERE. JUST WANT TO POINT THOSE THINGS OUT AS FAR AS, UM, YEAH, LIBERTY HALL IS AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN EVENTS AFTER HOURS. THE LIBRARY IS ONLY USED DURING WORKING HOURS. IT IS NOT AVAILABLE WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE. YOU USE IT WHEN THEY ARE THERE. SO, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, UM, TO, TO CONSIDER. SO THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ALSO THOUGH, AS FAR AS TIME, HOURS OF OPERATION. OKAY. YEP. AND, [02:40:01] AND I WOULD YOU CONCERN I WOULD, YEAH. MY, MY MY WISH IS THAT BARRY WOULD REMAIN THE POINT MAN FOR THIS AND YOU COULD FERRE IT OUT. UM, ANY SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, HEY, I WANNA RENT IT AND WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY MOTORCYCLE CLUB'S GONNA COME HERE AND THERE'S 600 OF US , YOU COULD SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE. YEAH. WELL, AND THE WAY LIBERTY HALL IS THAT UNLESS THAT EVENT WAS SOMEHOW A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, WE WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T, THERE'S ONLY SPECIFIC, UH, CRITERIA THAT HA THAT, THAT ALLOW EVENTS IN LIBERTY HALL. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE. IS THIS GONNA FOLLOW THAT? CAN YOU HOLD YOUR WEDDING THERE? CAN YOU DO THAT? I I I, I THINK WE JUST, IN MY MIND AND, AND WITHOUT GIVING IT MUCH THOUGHT, I THINK WE TREAT IT LIKE LIBERTY HALL. UH, OKAY. UM, I WAS GOING, I LIKE THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE, WHEN HE SAID THE WEDDING, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE ROTARY HALL, THE, THE ROTARY HALL WHERE WE DID A, A REMODEL ON IT AND, UM, AND IT'S USED FOR RENTAL AND IT IS ALREADY IN JUST A SHORT THREE YEARS NEEDING, UM, REPAIRS FROM THE RENTAL, THE RENTERS NOW WE, WE, WE TOOK MONEY, BUT THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HAD TO MAKE. THERE'S BEEN SOME DAMAGE DONE AND SOME REPAIRS. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND IT OUT FOR SOME OF THAT TYPE OF, SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS AS WELL. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD YOU SAY YOU'VE HAD TO CLEAN THE CARPETS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CARPET DAMAGE. SURE. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY THIS, THIS ROOM DOES NOT HAVE CARPET IN IT. UM, IT, IT, YOU DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE, UH, EMPLOYEE BREAK ROOM ACROSS THE HALL. IT IS NOT A FULL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN, UM, DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE THE ANONYMITIES THAT EVEN THAT LIBERTY HALL DOES OR, UH, OR THE LIBRARY MEETING ROOM WHERE IT DIRECTLY ADJOINS IT. THIS IS ACROSS THE HALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO IT. YOU KNOW, EVEN IN LIBERTY HALL, THE KITCHENETTE IS PART OF THE HALLWAY LEADING UP TO IT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM, CROSS THE HALL TO GET TO IT. JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, SET UP FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT. WOULD WOULD EMPLOYEES BE USING THE ACROSS THE HALL? YES. THEY WOULD BE STORING THEIR LUNCHES IN THE REFRIGERATOR. WE PUT IN TWO OR THE, THE COUNTY HAS, UH, A FRIDGE, A REFRIGERATOR IN THERE FOR COUNTY USE AND FOR PUBLIC USE, TWO SEPARATE REFRIGERATORS. SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO TO POINT OUT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE IT LIKE LIBERTY HALL. I, I, I HAVE ZERO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. PAY FOR SECURITY, BRING PEOPLE IN. I'M TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND WE CAN TALK TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THE RATES AND MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE WE CAN UPDATE THOSE NOW FOR LIBERTY HALL AND HERE. BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHER ADVANTAGES TO THIS ROOM IS INTERNAL USE FOR COUNT FOR, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY, IF AG WANTS TO HAVE AN EVENT AT THE LIBRARY, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE IT DURING CERTAIN HOURS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS FOR THIS ROOM TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE, SO WOULD THE COURT BE OPEN TO HAVING US WORK ON AN INTERNAL SCHEDULING MECHANISM AS WELL AS AN EXTERNAL SCHEDULING MECHANISM TO ALLOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO SCHEDULE EVENTS IN THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM? AND WOULD THAT BE, COULD THAT BE KIND OF A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND A DIFFERENT SORT? I WOULD, WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I ENVISION WITH SAYING WE DON'T NEED SECURITY FOR EVERY EVENT IN THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR INTERNAL ACCESS FOR OUR PEOPLE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO WHEN IT'S USED FOR NON NON-EMPLOYEE, NON COUNTY EVENTS, I, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, UM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO PAWN THE, THE TIME OFF TO THE SHERIFF, UH, OR HIS DEPUTIES, BUT THEY JUST CARRY A CERTAIN AUTHORITY THAT A, A CUSTODIAN OR A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN'S JUST NOT GONNA CARRY. I MEAN, IF I WALK UP TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, POP DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE, SHUT UP . YOU KNOW? BUT IF I WALK UP TO YOU CARRYING A GUN, YOU MIGHT LISTEN . YEAH. NON COUNTY EVENT. I AGREE. BUT OKAY. INTERNAL. SO, SO THAT JUST GIVES ME ENOUGH DIRECTION. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE COURT, UM, WITH SOME SORT OF INTERNAL MEMO, SOME SORT OF EXTERNAL MEMO. I'M GOOD. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA START WORKING AND, AND ON, ON SOMETHING AND BE COMPLETELY OFF AND LEFT FIELD. AND I KNOW WE DID A TOUR, BUT IS THERE AUDIO VISUAL CAPABILITIES IN THAT ROOM? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A COMMENT WHEN YOU DO THIS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK ON THIS WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO. OH, I'M SENDING IT TO YOU, NO DOUBT. BUT I NOTICED THAT THIS DOESN'T HAVE A, UM, ANY REQUIREMENT FOR DELIVERING INSURANCE, PROOF OF INSURANCE, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS, I DON'T KNOW THE GENESIS OF THIS DOCUMENT, BUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHY ARE THERE NO FEES FOR THE LIBRARY? BUT THERE'S FEES FOR EVERY OTHER ROOM BECAUSE THE LIBRARY IS ONLY USED [02:45:01] DURING HOURS AND IT'S NOT, AND SECURITY AND OTHER THINGS ARE NOT NECESSARY. IT'S ONLY OPEN WHEN THE LIBRARY IS OPEN AND WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT ROOM IS TRADITIONALLY DONE THAT WAY. SO THAT ALLOWS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO, OR PRIVATE GROUP TO BLOCK IT FROM . I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I DON'T MANAGE THAT ROOM, THE LIBRARY DOES. MM-HMM. SO I, I WOULDN'T WANNA SPEAK TO EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS, BUT I, I BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS. UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE AND HOST YOUR WEDDING RECEPTION FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S NOT OPEN TO JUST ANY EVENT. OKAY. WELL ANYWAY, DID YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THAT'S BEEN DONE. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE RE, RE-LOOKED AT AS FAR AS, WELL IT JUST KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF JUMPED OFF THE PAGE. I, YOU LOOK, WELL, SOMEBODY'S WE'RE 70 BUCKS AN HOUR EVERYWHERE ELSE, AND THERE'S NO FEE AT THE LIBRARY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHY. I WOULD DEFINITELY POINT YOU TO MARCINE ON THAT BECAUSE OF, I, I KNOW SHE HAS SPOKEN TO FEES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN FEES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE LIBRARY BEFORE. OKAY. WELL, IF COMMISSIONER STACY LETS ME WORK ON THIS WITH HIM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA JUMP ON IT AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT ALL SORTED OUT FOR SURE, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING [14. Discuss/ Act on approving an earlier start date for the previously approved FY2025 Facilities Custodian position, including allocation of additional funds necessary to support the salary, and all related issues; (Judge New - HR) ] SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 14, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING AN EARLIER START DATE FOR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FY 2025 FACILITIES CUSTODIAN POSITION, INCLUDING ALLOCATION OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE SALARY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. MR. BARRY. SO THIS POSITION WAS APPROVED IN THIS BUDGET. WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A MOVE IN DATE WHEN THE POSITION WAS APPROVED. WE DIDN'T, WE, WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR THE PERSON UNTIL WE NEEDED THE PERSON, WHICH IS WHEN THE BUILDING OPENS. AND SO THIS ASK IS TO HAVE THEM ON STAFF WHEN THE BUILDING OPENS. SO, UM, DO, DO, DO WE HAVE MONEY? DID, DID, I THINK WE BUDGETED FOR A MONTH IN FY 25. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING ONE MONTH, UM, AND DO TWO, AN EMPLOYEE RETIRING AND PAYING OUT THEIR, UM, VACATION. I, I'M A LITTLE SHORT TO COVER THAT MONTH, THAT EXTRA MONTH. SO I'M, I'M BEGGING BUT YOU, YOU HAVE SOME FUNDS IN OTHER PARTS OF YOUR BUDGET, CORRECT? THAT WE COULD MOVE TO IT? OR ARE YOU SAYING TO THAT? WE'RE, WE'RE WE JUST HIT HOT SEASON? I'M YOU. YOU CAN, BUT I'LL JUST COME BACK AGAIN. LET'S JUST PUT IT TOWARDS CONTINGENCY THEN. I, I THINK SO. OKAY. I THINK SO. JUST TAKE, TAKE, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MONTH. YEAH. UM, SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FY 2025 FACILITIES CUSTODIAN POSITION, UH, AND ALLOCATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE SALARY FROM CONTINGENCY FUNDS. SECOND. SO WE GOT MY MOTION, WE GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UH, AGENDA ITEM [15. Discuss/ Act on approving a one-year renewal of the current agreement for grounds landscaping services with the addition of the County Annex Building, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) ] 15, WE'RE GONNA TABLE. I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION. IT GOT THROUGH. I'VE TALKED TO ALAN, UH, I'M SORRY. AARON SELDEN. UH, ALAN'S MY NEIGHBOR AND HIS FATHER, UH, AND ASKED HIM TO REVISIT HIS BID THERE ONCE ALL THE PLANNINGS ARE IN, UH, BECAUSE IT CAME IN SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN EXPECTATIONS. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT, UH, THAT TAKES US [16. Discuss/ Act on approving a one-year renewal of the current agreement for vending machine services with the addition of the County Annex Building, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)] TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A ONE YEAR RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR VENDING MACHINE SERVICES WITHIN, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. MY, MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS IS LOCATION. DO WE HAVE THE LOCATION? BECAUSE I THINK YES. WE HAVE A LOCATION WE WERE WAITING ON LAST TIME WAS WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT THE VENDING MACHINE? WE HAVE A LOCATION AND A CONCEPT FOR THE VENDING MACHINE. WE ARE GONNA PUT A, UH, ONE MACHINE WITH DRINKS AND SNACKS IN THE BREAK ROOM. WE GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT, CIRCUIT CIRCUITRY WHERE IT'S GONNA FIT AND WE'RE GOOD. SO IT'LL BE IN THE BREAK ROOM, BASICALLY ACROSS FROM THE REFRIGERATORS. AND AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING, GENERATES A SMALL, SMALL FEE FOR US. SO, OKAY. CAN I MAKE A MOTION THEN? YEP. PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A ONE YEAR, UM, RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR VENDING MACHINE SERVICES WITH THE ADDITION OF ADDING IT. THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US [17. Discuss/Act on approving a one-year renewal of the current agreement for exterminator services with the addition of the County Annex Building, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) ] TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A ONE YEAR RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR EXTERMINATOR SERVICES WITH THE ADDITION OF THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THIS IS THE TERMITE, DO WE NEED THE TERMITE, BARRY, DO WE NEED THE TERMITE COVERAGE? IT SEEMED THIS WOULD NOT BE, I I I'M [02:50:01] NOT GONNA RECOMMEND IT. SO WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD BE AFTER IS THE BACK OF THE SHEET ROCK. IT'S A CONCRETE BUILDING. RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS. THE RODENTS ARE OUR ISSUE THERE. NOT, NOT, I, I DON'T HAVE A, A DEEP CONCERN HERE. NOW. THERE'S PROBABLY AN EXTERMINATOR LISTEN, RIGHT NOW GOING, THAT MAN'S AN IDIOT. WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO OKAY. UM, I NEED TO MARK THAT. UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAVE THIS VIDEO FOR THE RECORD ON MY, EVERY TIME BARRY COMES IN MY OFFICE, I'M GONNA PLAY IT A MAN'S IDIOT. IT AND THEY'RE RIGHT. UM, OKAY, SO GO AHEAD, SHERRY. I'M SORRY. UH, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE AGREEMENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TERMITE, IT SEEMED FAIRLY EXPENSIVE FOR NO, NO REASON. I I, IN MY OPINION, I THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO DO $85 FOR THE BUILDING IN SIX RODENT STATIONS IS WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING. AND IS THAT IT, IS THAT ALL THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ADDITIONAL? CORRECT. SO THE $85 MONTHLY IS JUST FOR THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PEST CONTROL. SO THAT'S WHAT'S FIGURED IN ON THE, ON THE LETTER TO EXTEND. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS ARE JUST LISTED IF WE, IF WE NEED THEM AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. GOT IT. SO WHAT, BARRY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE RODENT? AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS I'M WALKING OUT THERE, I SEE THE LITTLE MICE RUN OUT OF THE YEAH, YEAH. WE USUALLY START UP OF, OF FACILITIES. I MEAN, WE HAD TO DO THIS THE SAME THING AT THE, AT THE JAIL. I MEAN, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING. SO WE WILL NEED THE RODENT STATIONS. YES. OKAY. YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT THEY WANTED TO INSTALL SIX WEIGHTED RODENT STATIONS AT $50 EACH. SO, SO, UH, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. JUDGE, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE A ONE YEAR, UH, RENEWAL ON THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR EXTERMINATING SERVICES, ADDING THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING AND ALSO THE SIX RODENT STATIONS AS THEY'RE RECOMMENDED. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. I'VE GOT A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO REMOVE THE TERMITE SERVICE. ARE ARE YOU, ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT AMENDMENT? YEAH, I, I DIDN'T APPROVE THE TERMITES. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE APPROVING ALL THIS. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. I'M SORRY. I WILL CLARIFY MY MOTION THAT I WANNA DO THE PEST AND RODENT CONTROL MONTHLY AND THEN THE RODENT STATIONS ONLY AND NOTHING ELSE. NO TERMITE AND NO FIRE ANT TREATMENT. SO WE GOT AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, AMEND SECOND, AND WE THE SECOND STILL CARRIES ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SHERRY. UH, THIS BRINGS US TO [18. Discussion of local artist to display their artwork in County buildings, and all related issues; (Judge New)] AGENDA ITEM 18, DISCUSSION OF LOCAL ARTISTS TO DISPLAY THEIR ARTWORK IN COUNTY BUILDINGS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF BEING COUNTY JUDGE. AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF A LESSON IN HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS OR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK. WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. WE GOT INTO VERY IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHO PUTS NAILS IN WALLS AND WHY, AND WHO'S IN CHARGE AND WHAT DO WE DO AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND WHAT ABOUT LIABILITY INSURANCE? AND IT, IT, IT JUST SWARMED. SO I LET IT GO AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ANNEX. NOW, UH, WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC LOCAL ARTIST WHO I SUSPECT, AND I, I'VE TALKED TO NONE OF 'EM, BUT I SUSPECT WOULD BE WILLING TO HANG THEIR ARTWORK IN OUR BUILDING. AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT TO GET APPROVED BY THIS COURT. UH, AND, AND WHILE THE ANNEX IS WHAT BROUGHT THIS PHOENIX BACK TO LIFE, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OUR OTHER BUILDINGS AS WELL. AND IT, IT STARTS IN MY MIND WITH AN INVENTORY OF WHAT WALLS WE HAVE AVAILABLE. UH, AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD WANT THIS GOVERNING BODY TO APPROVE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THAT'S HUNG ON THE WALL. UM, THE, THE ONLY THING I WANNA BRING UP IS ON THE 13TH OF DECEMBER IN 2011, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT PASSED, UM, AN ORDER ADOPTING REGULATIONS ON THE INTERNAL USE OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COURTHOUSE. CREATED, UM, COMMITTEES, RULES, PURPOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AREAS OF CONCERNS. IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THE POLICY. PLEASE UPDATE THE POLICY THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE WHEELS FLEW OFF TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. UH, IS THE POLICY. DIDN'T ALLOW IT, BUT WE CONTROL THE POLICY. UH, SO WE CAN UPDATE THE POLICY TO ALLOW IT, DO AN INVENTORY, AND THEN HAVE OUR PIO IF THE COURT IS SO INCLINED TO PUT THIS OUT TO OUR LOCAL ARTIST AND, AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC, FANTASTIC ARTISTS [02:55:01] IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. AND I APOLOGIZE, I WAS WRITING SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING INITIALLY. HOW DID YOU, UM, WHAT, I KNOW YOU SAID NOT, NOT PUTTING NAILS. NO, I, I, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. I, I THINK THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO, TO GO, IS TO HANG NAILS ON THE WALL AND HAVE OUR, OUR FACILITIES DO IT. NOT, NOT ALLOW THEM. THEY, THEY SHOW US WHAT THEY WANT. WE TELL THEM OR WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HANG. WE, WE TELL THEM WHERE THEY CAN HANG IT. WE, WE HAVE OUR GUYS PUT IN THE NAILS ONCE WE'VE UPDATED THE POLICY OF COURSE. AND THEN HANG, HANG, HANG THE ARTWORK. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THEM TO SIGN SOME SORT OF LIABILITY WAIVER THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGE, THEFT. RIGHT. UH, ACTS OF TERRORISM OR ANYTHING ELSE. ALL, ALL OF THE ABOVE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I I'D LOVE TO SUPPORT OUR, OUR LOCAL ARTISTS WITH THAT. AND, AND I'M SURE UNDER EACH ONE THEY COULD HAVE A, A LITTLE THING THAT WOULD SAY CONTACT YEP. DONATED BY OR CONTACT FOR THIS PAINT OR WHATEVER IT IS. YEP. WHATEVER THE VISION THIS COURT COMES UP WITH. BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO ADD A LOCAL TOUCH TO ALL OUR BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. ARE YOU TALKING DONATED OR IT'S JUST SOMETHING NO, NO. I SAY DONATED. MIGHT SAY LOAN MIGHT SAY ON LOAN FROM, OR THE ARTIST IS OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE. THE PLAQUE. LITTLE PLAQUE. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AGREED ON ALL POINTS? I JUST HAVE ONE SUGGESTION, MAYBE TWO. UM, THE FIRST THING I'D SAY IS I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT'S HUNG. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE MY JOB AS A COURT. I DO THINK WE CAN LAY OUT GUIDELINES, RIGHT. OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT, UH, AS FAR AS THINGS THAT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE TO GROUPS OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY FEAR IS THINGS ARE, BUT RIGHT. EXACTLY. BUT I DON'T WANNA BE HAVING TO VOTE ON ACCEPTING OR NOT ACCEPTING SOMEBODY'S CO ART UNLESS IT'S REALLY COMES TO A HEAD. SO THAT'D BE MY FIRST COMMENT. MY SECOND COMMENT IS, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S A ROCKWALL ART ALLIANCE HERE TO GET THEM INVOLVED AND SHIFT SOME OF THE BURDEN FROM US HAVING TO APPROVE THINGS TO THEM WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF GUIDELINES WE ADOPT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I'M GLAD I THOUGHT OF THAT JUST NOW. UM, WONDERFUL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THIS WILL BRING [19. CONSENT AGENDA] US TO AGENDA ITEM 19, CONSENT AGENDA. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 19, A, B, C, D, E, F, AND G. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, WHICH BRINGS US TO [20. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS:] AGENDA ITEM 20, PROPERTY ACQUISITION DISPOSITIONS. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PROPERTY, UH, ACQUISITION DISPOSITIONS A THROUGH C. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. DID PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. IT [21. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)] BRINGS THOSE TO AGENDA ITEM 21, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS. 2025 DASH 15 AND 2025 DASH 16. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. [22. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S) ] THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 22, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLLS. MS. LISA. THANK YOU, JUDGE. UM, I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $571,821 AND 11 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANA. I SECOND, SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $930,035 AND 27 CENTS. AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO AND I SUBMIT TO YOU A PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING JUNE 21ST, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,097,444 AND 23 CENTS. AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. MOVE TO APPROVE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US TO [23. EXECUTIVE SESSION] EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED IN THIS AGENDA. ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETINGS, [03:00:01] SUBCHAPTER DEED, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY. WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT INFORMATION NUMBER ONE, DR. HORTON V ROCKWALL COUNTY, NUMBER TWO, PECOS COUNTY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION ATTORNEY CONTRACT AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION AND ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL, RECORDS, RETENTION POLICY AND RELATED MATTERS. MOBILE CITY SPECIAL ELECTION, CRENSHAW ROAD UPDATE, LIABILITY INSURANCE COVERAGE, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HUNT COUNTY REGARDING INMATE HOUSING RESOLUTION REGARDING CELL PHONE TAX COLLECTIONS BY A STATE GOVERNMENT AT 1208. WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES, SIR. [24. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. AT 1 48, I'M GONNA RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND I CAN TELL YOU NO ACTION TAKEN. UM, JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, A RESOLUTION, UM, OR A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HUNT HUNT COUNTY REGARDING INMATE HOUSING IN THE FORM PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WITH THE CHANGES DISCUSSED WITH OUR ATTORNEY. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US TO [25. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS] AGENDA ITEM 25. COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS, ANYTHING TO GO OVER? I HAVE A REPORT. ALL RIGHT. AS WE ARE ENTERING OUR 250TH YEAR AS A NATION, I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO LOOK BACK AT THIS WEEK. 250 YEARS AGO ON JULY 8TH, 1775, THE OLIVE BRANCH PETITION WAS SIGNED BY JOHN HANCOCK ON BEHALF OF THE SECOND CON CONTINENTAL CONGRESS, WHICH HAD FORMALLY APPROVED THE PETITION ON JULY 5TH, 1775. THE OLIVE BRANCH PETITION WAS A FINAL ATTEMPT TO AVOID WAR WITH GREAT BRITAIN AND THE 13 COLONIES. ALTHOUGH THE SECOND CONTINENTAL CONGRESS HAD ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE INVASION OF CANADA, THE PETITION AFFIRMED AMERICAN LOYALTY TO GREAT BRITAIN AND IN TREATED KING GEORGE III TO PREVENT FURTHER CONFLICT. IN AUGUST OF 1775, THE COLONIES WERE FORMALLY DECLARED TO BE IN REBELLION AND THE PETITION WAS REJECTED BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT WITH KING GEORGE REFUSING TO READ IT BEFORE DECLARING THE COLONISTS TO BE TRAITORS. WE ARE ALL VERY THANKFUL FOR OUR FREEDOM AND OUR LIBERTY IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMEMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. SO THAT, THAT'S, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONTINUE THAT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS REPORTS? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAD A INCREDIBLE, UH, INDEPENDENCE DAY PARADE HERE LOCALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT WORKED REALLY HARD TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, WORKED ON FLOATS AND MADE IT AN EXPERIENCE. THIS WAS THE LARGEST CROWD I HAVE, I HAVE EVER SEEN AT ONE OF OUR PARADES, SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE IF WE CAN OUTDO THAT ON CHRISTMAS. $750 WORTH OF CANDY THAT WAS INSUFFICIENT. YES. FOR, FOR THE PARADES. YEAH. CORRECT. $750 WORTH OF CANDY. UM, LOT, LOT, LOTS OF IT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, ANYTHING? NO. AYE. OKAY. I HATE TO ASK MARY. DON'T, DON'T ASK, DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL. YEP. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE OUR PRAYERS AND OUR OUTREACH TO CENTRAL TEXAS. UM, ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATING. UM, AND, UH, THANKS FOR CASON HUDDLESON COMING IN. UM, I TEXTED HIM YESTERDAY AND SAID, I CAN'T WRITE A PRAYER THAT I FEEL IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TEXAS. AND WITHIN FIVE MINUTES HE SAID, I'LL BE THERE AT 8 45. SO THAT IS GOOD. I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR COMING IN AND, AND STEPPING UP AND, I MEAN, TEXAS IS HURTING. YEAH. THAT WE ARE. OKAY. AT 1 52, WE ARE ADJOURNED. AND AT ONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.