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[Notice of Commissioners Court Consortium Meeting on July 16, 2025.]
GONNA CALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM TO ORDER.WE'RE IN THE HISTORIC IN ROCK, TEXAS.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
I WANNA START THIS CONSORTIUM, UH, WITH A STATEMENT AND THEN, UH, WANNA GO AROUND AND HAVE EVERYBODY INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND SAY WHAT ENTITY YOU REPRESENT.
UH, THE ONLY STATEMENT IS THAT THE ROAD CONSORTIUM IS NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM.
I AM YOUR ROCKWELL COUNTY JUDGE, JUDGE.
I AM THE, UM, COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR PRECINCT TWO, JAMES BRANCH, CITY COUNCIL.
ROY CITY BROOK ROY CITY MAYOR, WONDERFUL CITY, ROCKWELL CITY COUNCIL.
MARY SMITH, ROCKWELL CITY MANAGER.
STEVE ALEXANDER, CITY MANAGER OF KEITH.
CITY MANAGER, MCLENNON CHISHOLM.
BRIAN MCNEIL, MAYOR OF GLEN CHISHOLM.
JOHN STACY, COUNTY COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FORD.
MITCH ARMY, EMS, CHIEF ROCKWELL COUNTY.
MS ANDREW GREENBERG, MAYOR OF FATE.
MARVIN GIBBS, ETTE CITY COUNCIL.
LAUREN TY COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF PRECINCT THREE.
UH, OUR, OUR PROJECTS FOR, UM, OUR BONDS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, EVERY CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH, WITH A PROJECT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT LIST.
SO, UM, LET'S, LET'S JUST KEEP GOING IN, UH, IN CLOCKWISE ORDER.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAS ROY CITY GOT FOR US? WELL, YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A, UH, A PRESENTATION, I THINK, OR NOW A MAP.
WE'RE GONNA LET LACEY COME UP AND SPEAK BECAUSE SHE'S THE PROFESSIONAL.
WELL PLAY TO WHAT I WOULD DO AS WELL.
SO YOU GET THE ENGINEER, NOT TO SPEAK FOR THE WONDERFUL MAYOR, BUT COME ON LACEY.
AND, AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND THEN GO THROUGH OUR, OUR CONSTRUCTION UPDATE.
I'LL SEND THIS IN AN YOU JUST STEP ON THIS SIDE OF THE, THE DOME AND JUST SO THE PEOPLE IN THE FIRST ROW AND SECOND ROW KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE DOME AS WELL.
SO WHATEVER YOU'RE SAYING IS BROADCAST, SO TAKE IT AWAY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT NUMBER, WHICH IS 5 48 RIGHT NOW.
IT'S STILL, UH, NUMBER ONE IN OUR PRIORITY LIST.
SO YOU, YOU'VE LISTED THESE PRIORITY WISE.
UH, KNOW IT'S BEEN PROGRESSING TO A CERTAIN POINT.
IT'S STILL, UH, AND THEN PROJECT NUMBER THREE IS KIND OF A NEW PROJECT.
SO HIGHWAY 66 AT IRBY CAMPBELL.
I DID PRESENT THIS BACK IN JANUARY.
UH, WE'RE KEEPING IT ON THE LIST.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT THERE.
UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER NEW PROJECT NUMBER FOUR.
THIS IS NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD FROM FM 1138 TO SOROS ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN 66 HEADING NORTH ON SOROS AND HEADING DOWN, UH, NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD.
AND THEY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT IT IS A MUD ROAD.
THERE'S SOME GROUND ON ROAD MAPS, KEEP TAKING PEOPLE THAT WAY.
SO UBER DRIVERS AND THE FOOD DELIVERY AND ALL OF THAT END UP STUCK IN THE MUD.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF, IT'S MOSTLY IN THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF IT THAT IS IN THE CITY, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COUNTY TO ASSIST THAT THE CITY IS TAKING ON A SOLS ROAD, IT'S GRAVE TODAY.
UH, WE HAVE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR, FOR THAT TO BE PAVED, UH, WITH HOT MIX.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN COMPLETELY REBUILD, UH, THAT, THAT PORTION OF, UH, ALL OF SOLS OURSELVES.
IT'S MOSTLY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND DO THAT OURSELVES.
BUT IF WE CAN GET THE COUNTY TO HELP US OUT WITH NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, VERY BENEFICIAL,
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I THINK, FOR THE MOBILITY OF TRAFFIC.AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS, UH, F 1777 SLASH FM 35.
THAT WOULD BE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN 66 AND I 30.
UH, THAT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A WHILE AS WELL.
AND THEN NUMBER SIX, FM 24 53 FROM 35 TO ITS END OF ROUTE.
UH, SO THAT IS OUR, THOSE ARE ROY CITY'S PROJECT PRIORITIES AS IT RELATES TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY BOND.
UM, WE GOT THE SPREADSHEET HERE.
WE WANTED TO ALSO JUST POINT OUT THAT FM 35 WAS ON THE LIST BEFORE TEX HAS TAKEN ON THAT DESIGN.
IT IS STILL OUR PRIORITY FOR US.
DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE LOST IN THE SHUFFLE, BUT IT WON'T BE A BURDEN TO THE TEX HAS TAKEN THAT ON, BUT WE STILL HAVE IT LISTED HERE AS A PRIORITY.
AND THEN PROJECT NUMBER TWO UNDER OTHER IS, UH, IH 30 PHASE TWO.
SO WE ALL KNOW I 30 PHASE ONE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY IS IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT CITY DOESN'T WANT, UH, TO HAVE ANYONE FORGET HOW IMPORTANT PHASE TWO IS TO US, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE OUTER LOOP INTERCHANGE.
AND SO WE LISTED THAT UNDER OTHER, UM, I, I DUNNO IF THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD NOT BE ROCKWELL COUNTY BOND OR PROJECT.
UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHERE CITY WANTED TO PROVIDE IT OF.
DID, DID YOU COME UP WITH THOSE? DID WE, HOW SO THOSE ESTIMATES ARE ROLLING OVER HAPPIEST VERSIONS OF THIS SPREADSHEET.
I INITIALLY ENGAGED TDO TO ASK THEM KIND OF LITTLE THING.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? SOME OF THEM ARE TBD BECAUSE I, I JUST DUNNO, I DUNNO THE SCOPE OF LIKE, I DUNNO THE SCOPE EXACTLY.
IF SAVVY 66 IS CAMPBELL TDOT'S GONNA HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT THAT SCOPE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, A DOLLAR CAN BE ASSIGNED TO IT.
SO PASSED AROUND FORTUNATE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS ON THIS LIST AND I KNOW, UM, REIMAGINING THAT WE'VE DONE THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IS NOT ON HERE, BUT I ASSUME THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ON A READY GO LIST.
I SENT TO GET IT BACK ON THIS LIST NORTH PHIL, WE DID THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
WE'RE GONNA DO 2 MILLION TOWARD IT.
IT'S NOT LISTED HERE, SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE IT'S ON A LIST ELSEWHERE.
IT'S ALREADY COVERED WITH LOCAL, BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
AND WE'LL VERIFY WHEN Y'ALL START ON, BUT IT'S STILL ENCUMBERED AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD FOR IT.
SO IN, IN TERMS OF JUST LOOKING AT THIS LIST IN, IN ORDER OF PRIORITY AND UM, WE'VE KICKED IT AROUND TO THAT, WE DO THINK THE VILLAGE BRIDGE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND HAS TO BE THE NUMBER ONE AFTER THE SAME TIME AS NORTH FOLIE.
UM, BELIEVE 1141 IS THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OF THE FRESHMEN CENTER THERE.
HORIZON ROAD, UH, WE HAVE IS NUMBER THREE BECAUSE OF HEAVY TRAFFIC AND THE HE RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH, THEY ARE GETTING ON 30.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER END OF HORIZON ROAD FM 30 97 WILL BE NEXT IN OUR PRIORITY.
UM, SO GO, GO BACK, GO BACK OVER THOSE.
JUST, JUST FOR ME, WHAT YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS? VILLAGE ROAD BRIDGE.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS FM 1141.
THEN THE NEXT ONE DOWN HORIZON ROAD NUMBER THREE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MARY HAVE GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT 66, WHICH WE KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE FUTURE.
BUT I THINK WHEN THAT PARK YIELD DEVELOPMENT IS GOING QUESTIONS, IT SHOWS THAT 66 ALIGNMENT THROUGH THERE.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT 66 AND WE'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYBODY, LOOK, IT'S EVENTUALLY COMING, BUT IT'S NOT IMMINENT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 66, WHICH IS MORE THAN, THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST TRYING TO HAVE, UH, CONVERSATIONS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ABOUT 66.
AND THAT'S, WE, MY OPINION WHERE MONEY NEEDS TO COME FROM.
WE ACCEPT THAT THE INTERIM, INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS WE DID 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS AGO.
NOW, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ON THE ROCK WALL END IS, IS ENOUGH TO, TO SATISFY US FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
BUT WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OUT ON THE OTHER END OF THE ROAD COMING BACK TOWARD ROCKWALL THAT THE PHILOSOPHY MAY BE DIFFERENT.
BUT WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT IT INTERFERING
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WITH ANY OF THESE OTHERS.YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT JUMPING AHEAD A NUMBER 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR? NO, AND I'D PROBABLY COME UP WITH FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN IF YOU WANT.
YOU, OUR PRIORITIES ARE, UH, AS FOLLOWS.
UH, OUR FIRST TWO PRIORITIES ARE CURRENTLY ON THE DOCKET AND ON THE LIST, UH, THE FIRST ONE BEING 5 49, UH, WHICH IS THE WIDENING OF 5 49, WHICH, UH, BEGINS DOWN AT 2 0 5 ACTUALLY.
AND, UH, MARY'S, UH, AREA, BUT, UH, CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SEVEN 40 IN HEATH.
UH, OUR SECOND IS, UH, HORIZON BECAUSE WE TOO ARE SENSITIZED BY ALL OF THESE HEATH PEOPLE COMING INTO ROCKWALL AND, UH, WE WANT THEIR CREW TO BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
UM, OUR THIRD PRIORITY IS A NEW PRIORITY ON, UH, THE LIST WE'D LIKE TO RESURRECT THE SEVEN 40 PROJECT.
UM, SEVEN 40 WAS ON THE TRIP, 21, UH, BOND AND WAS UNDER DISCUSSION, UH, AT THAT TIME.
IT'S A MAJOR POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO AND OUT OF HEATH.
IT'S, UH, CRITICAL FOR, UH, THE PLACEMENT OF OUR DOWNTOWN OVERLAY PROJECT TO GET PEOPLE INTO AND, UH, OUTTA THAT ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A MEETING WITH TDO TO DISCUSS THIS FEASIBILITY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD COMPONENTS, UH, OF THIS EXPANSION.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME MORE DIFFICULT COMPONENTS LIKE WITH, UH, ALL OF THE CURVES, UH, JUDGE AS YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN PLACE AND WHETHER THOSE ARE, ARE REALLY DOABLE OR, OR NOT AS A COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT OVERALL.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU, I'LL HELP FACILITATE THAT WITH YOUR COMMISSIONER.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, UM, OUR TWO TOP PRIORITIES, UM, AND I THINK I CAN, UH, IMAGINE THAT THE REST OF THE FOLKS AROUND THE TABLE FEEL SIMILARLY ARE ALL ANXIOUSLY AWAITING FOR, UH, THE MONEY TO BE LEFT FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, LESSEN THE BURDEN FROM OUR COMBINED CITIZENRY.
AND, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE NEW ONE.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY NEW BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? WHEN YOU SAY HORIZON THERE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TAKING IT ALL THE WAY TO FIVE 50 OR WHAT, WHAT
UM, CONTINUING ON DOWN RIDGE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SURE MARY'S TALKING ABOUT, EXPANDING THAT PORTION OF HORIZON DOWN TO 30.
IS THAT CORRECT? MARY? THIS HORIZON ON THE LIST IS THAT STRETCH OF CITY STREET FROM SEVEN 40 TO I RIGHT.
ESSENTIALLY HEATH ON ONE SIDE, ROCK WALL ON THE RIGHT, EVERYBODY HAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAS TO USE TO GET OFF.
AND I, I CERTAINLY DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THE, THE BOND FUND TALKED ABOUT TAKING FIVE SEVEN HORIZON ALL THE WAY TO FIVE 50.
IT, IT'S LISTED AS OH, THE, ALL THE WAY TO FIVE 50.
AND I'M JUST ASKING, BUT YOUR PRIORITY IS JUST TO SEVEN TO 5 49.
AND THAT, THAT PRIMARILY WILL BE ONE OF THE MAJOR OUTLETS OF THE, UH, TRILOGY PROJECT WHEN IT GOES IN, UH, BACK IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND UH, THOSE HOUSES AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO GET DOWN TO 30 AS WELL.
WE HAVE UM, TWO ON THIS ON THAT'S ALREADY ON THE LIST, BUT THE ONE THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE IS THE DEBT MAN'S CURVE ON FM FIVE 50, WHICH IS EAST OF 2 0 5 DOWN TO MEADOW CREEK.
IF YOU KNOW, I'M SURE TDO WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE TO PUT THAT BARRIER BACK UP.
IT WAS UP FOR A WEEK AND IT HAS NOW BEEN DESTROYED.
SOMEBODY ARE PEOPLE KNOCKING THE BARRICADES DOWN, GONNA ON THAT CURB.
BIG TRUCKS PUSHING FOR DRIVING THROUGH IT.
THEY'RE JUST DRIVING RIGHT THROUGH IT.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO GET KILLED ON THAT CURVE AT SOME POINT.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE AND OUR NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THE OTHER END OF 5 49 FROM 2 0 5 TO 2 76 TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT AND GET IT, UH, WIDENED TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF OUR CITY.
SO THE OTHER END OF WHAT SCOTT TALKED ABOUT AND THAT THAT'S DESIGNED YES, WE GET IT DONE.
THE PIECE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT FIVE 40 OR SEVEN 40 DOWN TO 40 AND UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT 5 49 OVER, OVER,
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HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PIECE 5 49 FROM 2 0 5 TO HEATH? YES, THAT'S WHAT SCOTT IS SCOTT TALKING FURTHER OUT.YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT BOTH FROM TWO, OH ACTUALLY MARY FROM 2 0 5, WHICH IS IN YOUR AREA.
ALL THE WAY PAST HORIZON, WHICH IT BECOMES HEATH THEN.
ALL THE WAY UP TO SEVEN 40 OR FIVE 50 THERE IN HEATH AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT, UH, IS ADJACENT TO COM.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE PROJECT, SO BABE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 0 5, CORRECT? CORRECT.
GOING TOWARDS 2 76 AND GETTING, GETTING THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT TO WHERE 5 49 ACTUALLY MEETS AT 2 0 5.
THEY'RE AT THE SEVEN 11 IN THE MCDONALD'S INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TWO STOP LIGHTS THAT MAKE TRAFFIC AN ABSOLUTELY NIGHTMARE.
F TEXAS, OUR NUMBER ONE PROJECT IS SOUTH BEND MAIN.
UM, IT'S OFF SYSTEM, BUT WE THINK IT CAN BE DESIGNED AND BUILT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN CONTRACT READY TO GO.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE CROSS SECTION, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS MAYBE BETWEEN 10 AND 20 MILLION.
IT'S A LOG BIG, BIG SWING THERE, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY FOUR LANE.
SO WE'LL GO FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO I 30 TO 66.
SO SMALL LITTLE PROJECT, BUT WE THINK BIG IMPACT THAT INTERCHANGE AT I 30 BEING COMPLETED, WE'LL PUT A LOT OF, UM, TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
SO THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
LOTS OF LOTS OF INTERIOR MOVEMENT.
UM, AS FIRES BIGGER, IF WE WANTED TO GO BIGGER, 5 51 IS A GOOD PROJECT.
AND THEN 5 52 WOULD BE THE TERTIARY PROJECT.
THOSE ARE BOTH MID 70 MILLION TOTAL COST PROJECTS.
5 51 HAS PRELIMINARY DESIGN, 5 52 IS GOT COMPLETE DESIGN, UTILITIES ARE MOVING AND SO FORTH.
SO PLUSES AND MINUSES TO BOTH THAT 5 51 WOULD MOVE A WHOLE LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND CONNECT TO ROCKWELL FROM 2 76.
SO WE CONNECT THE CITIES DOWN ON THAT SIDE 5 52 AND CONNECT TO ROCKWELL FATE UP ON TOP, LESS TRAFFIC, BUT THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL DOWN WHERE CITY HIGH SCHOOLS BUILDING, SO WE'RE BUILDING A LITTLE CONNECTOR THIS MAY 21.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE OUR TOP, THOSE ARE OUR TOP THINGS.
IT'S KIND OF AN UNFAIR QUESTION.
WELL ALREADY GOING IN HALVES ON, ON DOW ROCK, SO, OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT, UH, A WELL, WELL PLACED PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU, YOU EVERYONE.
I, I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST ASKING FOR THESE, UM, IS EASY, BUT I I I CAN TELL YOU BOTH.
COULD I ASK THAT EVERYBODY SUBMITTED THEIR PROJECTS VERBALLY? Y'ALL FORWARD THAT TO I DOING THE DOCUMENT AND EVERYTHING? WE HAVE IT AND THAT WAY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAY.
WE'RE ALREADY UNDER DESIGN ON THAT, SO, OKAY, WE'LL GET ON THAT ONE.
THAT ONE'S ALREADY DESIGNED AND WE'RE WAITING FOR A WEDDING DATE ON THAT ONE.
SO, BUT YOU'LL GIVE US THE, THE, YOUR LIST, WE'LL TELL YOU WHERE IT IS ON THE 21 BOND, WHETHER IT'S ALREADY DONE AND WAITING, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GIVE IT TO US SO THAT WE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR? WELL, I, I JUST WANNA COMMENT, SO LIKE, SINCE WE'RE GONNA SEND STUFF TO ITS AND I'M ASSUMING, WE'LL, SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD ASK.
SEND, SEND IT TO FELICIA WHO EMAILS EVERYBODY AND THEN SHE'LL FORWARD, RIGHT? SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT IF, UM, LIKE IF WE WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE MORE ITEMS, ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT TOO? BECAUSE I I DO BELIEVE THAT POSSIBLY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON THE LIST OF FIVE 50 AND THE 2 0 5 STUFF, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING ON THERE.
I I, I WOULD SAY PUT, PUT 'EM ON THE LIST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR PRIORITIES.
SO I, I JUST WANT, WELL THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT FIVE 50 AND FIVE ON THOSE PRIORITIES AS WELL AND THEN I'LL REITERATE THAT ON THE LIST AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SAY THAT AGAIN BRIAN.
SO I THINK I JUST WANNA HAVE THOSE ADDED TO THE PRIORITIES THAT BEV PUT AS ONE AND TWO, MAKE SURE THAT FIVE 50 AND ARE STILL ON THERE AS WELL AND I'LL MAKE SURE YEAH, SEND, SEND THAT EMAIL THAT SHE'LL FORWARD IT TO.
I JUST DIDN'T READ WE'RE VERBALIZE, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE VERBALIZE AND THEN ALSO SEND IT TO, SORRY.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI UH, JUST INFORMED ME THAT I'VE, I'VE NOT INCLUDED THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.
HEY, IT'S NOT THAT I FEEL LEFT OUT.
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WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONER TY SPEAKING FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF PRECINCT THREE OF JUST PRECINCT THREE.GOTTA WATCH THOSE COMMISSIONER THEN
BUT I, I WANTED TO POINT SOMETHING OUT AND I, I APPRECIATE, THANKS JUDGE FOR LETTING ME SPEAK BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR CITY PRIORITIES, BUT AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS MEETING, I THOUGHT I'VE GOT A HUGE SECTION OF THE COUNTY THAT IS UNINCORPORATED AND YOU CAN, YOU GOT, YOU ALL KNOW WHERE IT'S, AND SO I MADE THIS, THIS MAP I JUST SENT AROUND IS FROM OUR 2018 MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UM, WHICH WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT.
AND I'M NOT A FAN OF DOING REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT WE JUST LET SIT ON A SHELF.
THERE ARE IN THE TRIP 21 BONDS.
ALSO, THERE ARE FOUR COUNTY ROAD PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS TRIP 21 BOND PROJECTS, WHICH ARE NOT, UM, FM PROJECTS.
AND THESE ARE IN PRECINCT THREE.
AND THOSE WERE, AND THESE AREN'T MY PRIORITIES, I'LL GET IN MY RECORD IN A SECOND, BUT JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, THEY'RE EDWARDS ROAD, UH, WHICH WE SHARE WITHM, THEY'RE WALLACE ROAD POETRY ROAD AND THE LONG BRANCH SUBDIVISION.
ALL THOSE WERE IN THE TRIP 21 VOTER PACK AND THEY WERE APPROVED IN PRECINCT THREE, BUT THEY ARE NOT STATE PROJECTS.
MY PRIORITIES AND THINGS I WANNA FOCUS ON ARE TWO, UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL IT'S CALLED POETRY ROAD IN THE TRIP 21 BOND PROJECT.
AND I'VE CIRCLED FOR THOSE THINGS I SENT AROUND DOWN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IN CORNER, I CIRCLED AN AREA AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE POETRY ROAD, UH, UP BY FM 5 48 THAT CONNECTS UP THERE.
YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LITTLE CONNECTION THAT'S POETRY ROAD GOING SOUTHEAST AND UH, THAT'S A HORRIBLE CORNER.
UM, IT'S LISTED IN OUR BOND PACKAGE AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE FARM TO MARKET 5 48 INTERSECTION.
AND IT NEEDS WIDENING AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE STREET.
AS YOU'LL KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WILDWOOD WAS BUILT DOWN THERE.
AND THERE'S ALREADY I THINK 175 HOMES AND ANOTHER A HUNDRED AND HOWEVER MANY COMING IN.
SO TRAFFIC THERE, WHICH USED TO BE KIND OF A VERY QUIET LITTLE ROAD, HAS GOTTEN HEAVIER AND IT'S GOING TO GET HEAVIER.
SO ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT AN INTERSECTION WITH A LIGHT OR ARE WE ACTUALLY THAT'S I THINK MOST IMPORTANT.
THAT'S, THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT.
AND THEY, AND, AND THAT WAS WHAT, WHAT THE TRIP 21 BOND PACKAGE SAID WAS AN INTERSECTION AT 5 48, WHICH IS A TERRIBLE INTERSECTION, AND THEN IMPROVING THE ROAD PO ROAD TO THE BORDER OF HUNT COUNTY.
SO, SO POETRY ROAD IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THAT PRECINCT, FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.
NUMBER TWO IS WALLACE ROAD AND I, I GOT A LITTLE EXPLANATION HERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO IN THAT AREA THAT I CIRCLED DOWN HERE.
YOU'LL SEE A KIND OF A JUST RIGHT HERE, VERY SMALL GRAY LINE THAT RUNS FROM 5 48, UH, TO EDWARDS ROAD.
IT DOESN'T SHOW IT'S BEING IMPROVED, WHICH IS, UH, WAS BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE IN BEFORE ROCK.
UM, WALLACE ROAD NOW RUNS, IS GONNA RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF THAT RIVER ROCK TRAILS DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT ON RIVER ROCK TRAILS OTHER THAN TO SAY, AS WE ALL KNOW, THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN 6,300 HOMES THERE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON THAT FRONTAGE.
AND I'M GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE CONSORTIUM AND WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO DO AN UPDATE TO OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
RIGHT NOW, THE 2021 BOND FUND CALLS FOR A MILLION DOLLARS TO CHANGE WALLACE ROAD FROM A DIRT ROAD TO A CHIP SEAL ROAD.
CHIP SEAL ROAD IS NOT ENOUGH TO SERVICE WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING OUTTA THERE.
AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS, UH, STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO APPORTION ROAD IMPROVEMENT COSTS TO DEVELOPERS AND A A CHIP SEAL ROAD OR A DIRT ROAD WILL SIMPLY NOT SERVE WHAT'S GOING, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING.
SO WE'VE GOT ON WALLACE ROAD, IT SAYS A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, TO, TO IMPROVE THAT AND WE NEED TO USE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA, WHAT IT REALLY IS GONNA TAKE AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE SO
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THAT WE CAN PROPERLY APPORTION THOSE COSTS WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME COMES.SO MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS POETRY ROAD.
UM, WE CAN GET GOING ON THAT RIGHT AWAY.
MY NUMBER TWO PRIORITY IS WALLACE ROAD FOR THE REASONS I OUTLINED.
AND ALL OF THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ARE OUTLINED IN OUR 21 BOND FUNDS, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW, WE NEED TO START USING THAT MONEY AND BUILDING ROADS.
WE NEED TO BUILD THOSE BIG BEAUTIFUL ROADS.
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ROADS YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD RIGHT HERE IN ROCK COUNTY.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE OPENED THIS PANDORA'S BOX, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'VE, UH, GOT SOME ROADS IN PRECINCT FOUR.
YEAH, I UM, I THINK THAT THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY AND PRECINCT FOUR WOULD BE THE 2 76 5 48 INTERSECTION.
UM, IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION, UM, WOULD BE VERY, VERY GOOD.
IT IS, IT BACKS UP FOR ABOUT 25 MINUTES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
I THINK ERICA AND I DROVE OUT THERE TODAY AT THREE 30 AND IT WAS BACKED UP AT LEAST TWO OR THREE LIGHT CYCLES AT THREE 30.
UM, SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE CITIES, I DUNNO HOW IT EXACTLY FITS IN THE PRIORITIES SINCE I THINK THAT WHAT ROY CITY WAS SAYING AND WHAT FATE WAS SAYING WOULD DEFINITELY BE HIGHER PRIORITIES.
UM, BUT I DO THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNINCORPORATED THAT AREA IS, UM, IS PRETTY ROUGH.
I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHICH, WHICH IS ON THE LIST BECAUSE I DID IS NORTH KING ROAD BECAUSE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ON OUR RADAR.
UM, IF IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A TRAFFIC PATTERN COMING 1138 DOWN TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL, UM, FROM ROYCE CITY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE, BEAUTIFUL CONCRETE ROAD UP TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY BAD ROAD THAT IS GONNA BE COMPLETELY TORE UP.
SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE PERIPHERY, UM, AS FAR AS THE UNINCORPORATED SIDE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE A TON OF REAL TRAFFIC IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF MY PRECINCT AS LAUREN DOES IN PRECINCT THREE.
UM, MOST OF MY POPULATION CENTERS ARE IN CITIES.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE JUST TWO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THE PERIPHERY AS WE START PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN.
YOU MIND IF I PLEASE, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON JOHN, I THINK JUST PROBABLY ONE THING THAT WOULD HELP IMMEDIATELY IS JUST A LITTLE MAINTENANCE ON THAT STOPLIGHT.
IT'S, WELL, I'VE TALKED TO TECH SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THAT AND IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE THE TWO, TWO LANE ROADS THAT COME UP, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO SIT THROUGH A FULL CYCLE OF GREEN AND A FULL CYCLE OF GREEN, WHICH CAUSES THE BACKUP.
SO IT'S GONNA CREATE SOME SORT OF IMPROVEMENT ON 5 48 SO THAT THEY CAN TURN ARROWS AND GO AND SHORTEN IT THAT CYCLE 4 2 76.
BUT, BUT YES, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS WHAT IS 100% CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
WE'VE STUDIED THAT INTERSECTION AND UM, NO ONE TURNS NORTH ON 5 48.
UM, I SAY NO ONE BUT NEXT TO NOBODY.
SO WE'VE DONE AN ACTUAL INTERSECTION STUDY, EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH TO ROCKWALL OR BACK TO ROCKWALL OR UP TO ROCKWALL.
SO THE 5 48 TRAFFIC IS TURNING LEFT, IS NOT GOING NORTH AND IT'S NOT TURNING RIGHT.
THE 2 76 TRAFFIC IS GOING THROUGH, NO ONE'S TURNING RIGHT TO GO NORTH ON 5 48 AND THEN THE 2 76 TRAFFIC IS GOING STRAIGHT OR RIGHT.
SO IT'S JUST, THEY'RE NOT TURNING ON 5 48 IS THE POINT.
ALL EVERYTHING COMING UP IS GOING IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER DIRECTION.
IT'S NOT GOING NORTH, SO IT'S NOT DISPERSING.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO NORTH
AND SO IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE, I WON'T SAY CREATIVITY, BUT I REALLY DO THINK IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A, A, A TRUE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT EFFORT SO THAT THE LIGHT CYCLE MOVES.
BECAUSE LIKE JAMES SAID, THAT THAT IS 100% THE PROBLEM IS YOU JUST SIT THERE AND ALL THE TRAFFIC'S GOING ONE DIRECTION.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS TO PIGGYBACK ON, UH, MR. LEWIS IS 66, I THINK, AND I, AGAIN, I CAN SPEAK FOR THE MAYOR, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
SO IF WE COORDINATE, YOU GUYS SAID Y'ALL ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, THEN YOU'LL LET US KNOW.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT AS
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WELL.SO ROB PRECINCT ONE IS NOT HERE, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME HE WANTS ME TO HAVE WHATEVER I WANT.
WE YEAH, WE HAVE NO ROADS IN PRECINCT TOO.
AND AND, AND MARY'S ALREADY SPOKEN ON THE VILLAGE ROAD, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN MY PRIORITY.
SO I, I THINK THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A WORKSHOP.
UH, WE TELEVISE THAT EVERYBODY'S WELCOME TO COME WHERE WE, I I LIKEN IT TO EVERYBODY'S GOT OUR BASEBALL CARDS HERE.
LET'S JUST SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LINES UP, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO CAUSE THAT NEXT LEVEL PROBLEM.
IF WE DO THIS, THEN WHAT PROBLEM IS THAT GONNA CAUSE? HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT? SO IT WILL BE A, AND AND, AND JUDGE, I JUST, WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING BACK FROM ITS ON THE COST AS WE START TO TRY TO COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL STRUCTURAL PLAN.
UM, SO I DO THINK THE WORKSHOP'S THE BEST IDEA AND MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE AT LEAST SOME CONCEPT OF NUMBERS.
UM, BECAUSE I DUNNO THAT THERE'S A ROAD THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT IN AN IDEAL WORLD WE'RE NOT BUILDING TOMORROW.
UH, I MEAN I THINK WE ALL KNOW.
I MEAN THERE'S A MILLION ROADS IN THE COUNTY AND I I DON'T KNOW THAT I, THIS ISN'T LIKE ROCKET SCIENCE FROM THIS, CORRECT? I MEAN FROM THE ROCKET SCIENCE.
THESE ARE THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO A MATH PROBLEM.
HOW CAN WE BUILD STUFF? HOW CAN WE ISSUE DEBT? WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE A BREAKING IT UP EVEN INTO A SMALLER CHUNK, DOES THAT DO ANY GOOD? WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON TEXTILE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, I JUST THINK WE NEED THE MATH PROBLEM.
BEFORE, BEFORE, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE MORE WORTH OUR TIME WHEN WE GET TO A WORKSHOP.
NO, THAT WOULD, BECAUSE THAT, THAT, IF THAT'S NOT THE FIRST QUESTION, IT'S THE SECOND QUESTION IS HOW MUCH, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE HUGE PROJECTS LIKE FM 5 48, IS THERE ANY PART THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON TDOT? IS THERE ANYTHING ON 5 52 IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO WIDEN THE ROAD? UM, AND ON 5 51, I MEAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THESE HUGE TEXTILE PROJECTS WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME AND, AND WE DO NEED TO MOVE THINGS PS WE DO NEED TO KEEP MOVING THOSE PROJECTS ALONG, BUT IT'S JUST SUCH A LONG WAITING GAME.
DOES ANYTHING MAKE SENSE TO, TO GET IT TO A MILE OR A MILE AND A HALF? DOES DOES ANY OF THAT MAKE ANY PHYSICAL SENSE OR ANY LOGICAL SENSE? AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT THE COURT NEEDS TO HAVE AS WELL.
UM, YOU TAKE A PROJECT LIKE HORIZON MAKES ALL SENSE IN THE WORLD.
YOU BUILD IT OR VILLAGE, I MEANT YOU EITHER BUILD IT OR YOU DON'T BUILD IT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ROAD LIKE 5 48 OR 5 51 OR 5 52, THOSE ARE 80 A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS THAT GO FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
DOES ANY PART OF THAT PROJECT BREAKING IT UP TO ANY SMALLER PIECE? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? DOES DOING PARTICIPATORY GRANTS WITH CITIES AS FAR AS DOING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS AND GIVING MONEY TO FAITH OR ROCKWALL OR MCLENNAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO DO IT? INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS ON OFF SYSTEM ROADS RATHER THAN DOING IT THROUGH THIS WHOLE SYSTEM? AND I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THE COST OF BENAIN BEING FROM 10 TO 20 MILLION.
MOST OF THAT COST IS WE WANT IT TO BE BUILT LIKE A NON-SYSTEM ROAD WHEN IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A NON-SYSTEM ROAD.
WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO WRITE IN THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BAIT AND SAY, IF Y'ALL CAN PARTICIPATE, MAYBE WE CAN GET BENAIN BUILT FASTER AND CHEAPER AND EASIER IF YOU JUST BUILD IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN TRIP 21.
IS THERE ANY PRO THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE ROADS THAT WORK FROM MCCLIN, HEATH, ROCK WALL? I MEAN, IT'S TIME TO GET CREATIVE, PUT CONCRETE ON THE GROUND IS MY POINT.
UM, AND NOT JUST LINE PROJECTS UP A P, S AND E AND WAIT FOR TECH STOCK.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET CONCRETE IN THE GROUND.
SO I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE'S PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO VOTE ON AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH AND ONE OF 'EM BE IN THE OUTER LOOP AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION SO WE CAN PRESERVE YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR PORTION MM-HMM
AND WE'RE FIGHTING OFF, I THINK YOU MADE THE COMMENT AT THE LAST MEETING TOO.
SO I THINK THE COURT NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION AND LET'S MOVE AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR PARTNERS.
AND COMMISSIONER STACY ON, ON SOME OF THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT US MOVING ON WHEN IT'S A, WHEN IT'S A STATE ROAD THAT THAT T STOCK TYPICALLY, ARE WE ABLE, I MEAN LEGALLY ARE WE ABLE
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TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE MOVES THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ASK OUR OUR CONSULTANT ON, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD WITH WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, WHERE IS ERICA? CAN YOU COME TO THE CONE OF SHANE? YEAH, THE CONE OF AMPLIFICATION.I I, WHILE SHE'S WORKING HER WAY UP HERE, I'M GONNA WAY OVERSIMPLIFY THIS, THE ANSWER SHE'S GONNA GIVE, WHICH IS GONNA BE AN ENGINEERING ANSWER.
THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER SHE'S GONNA GIVE.
UH, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR HER TO COME UP, I, I WOULD SAY SHE'S RIGHT THERE.
ONE THING JOHN SAID, WHICH IS WE NEED AN UPDATE FROM ITS ON PRICING BECAUSE AGAIN, ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT ADDED UP TO A1, $50 MILLION, THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO, Y'ALL.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT REALISTIC ALLOCATION OF COSTS, WE NEED TO GET AN UPDATE, UH, JOHN FROM YOUR GROUP, JUST ESTIMATING WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT NOW.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN GET THEM CALCULATED.
THAT'S ACTUALLY TO JAMES'S POINT, THE LONGER WE WAIT ON VOTES AND ACTIONS, THE COST IS KEEPS GROWING AND GROWING.
IT'S LIKE SOME GOTTA STOP KICKING CANS AND MAKE DECISIONS AND MOVE ON.
WELL, AND THAT, THAT IS A GOOD POINT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE ON THE TRIP 21 THAT WE, WE NEVER HAD ENOUGH MONEY THAT THERE WAS NEVER ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE PROJECTS.
WELL IT REALLY WASN'T MEANT TO BE.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SEED FUND BASICALLY.
AND BECAUSE WE, I THINK IT WAS ONE 50 IN THIS COLUMN AND SIX 50 OVER HERE IN THE TOTAL COLUMN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S PROBABLY A BILLION NOW WE'RE GOING.
SO WHILE WE'RE STILL WAITING ON ERICA TO GET UP HERE,
SO THE, THE, THE QUESTION BEFORE THE CONSORTIUM IS IF WE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE TAKE OVER CONSTRUCTION FROM TEXDOT, CAN WE GET ROADS BUILT QUICKER? CAN WE TAKE YES.
CAN WE TAKE OVER CONSTRUCTION FROM TEXDOT? THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
AND I'LL SAY I, I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF T DOT, I HAVE NO AUTHORITY MM-HMM
BUT WE ARE STARTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO JUST FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO.
IF THERE ARE PIECES THAT, THAT WE COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, LARGER PROJECTS AND TRY TO CUT 'EM INTO BITE-SIZED PIECES THAT WOULD MAKE A REAL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.
WE'VE GOT A MEETING COMING UP WITH TDOT, UH, VERY SHORTLY AND WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT MORE.
HOPEFULLY NEXT CONSORTIUM MEETING.
WE'LL HAVE MORE ANSWERS FOR Y'ALL.
BUT DOES, TT DOES BECAUSE THEY'VE ALLOWED LOCAL JURISDICTION TO TAKE OVER ONE OF THEIR, ONE OF THEIR ROADS AND BUILD ON IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE, WE MET WITH THEM RECENTLY AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO DISCUSS.
AGAIN, IT WASN'T LIKE FULL ROADS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SMALLER PIECES.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
EVEN IF WE CAN CONTROL WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY, BY GETTING THEM STARTED AND AS YOU SAID, DOING A MILE AT A TIME TO, TO GET THEM, ESSENTIALLY GET THAT, THAT PUMP PRIMED.
THEY SET A SECOND APPOINTMENT TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
I'LL SAY THAT, I DUNNO HOW MANY YEARS AGO IT'S BEEN NOW, BUT 5 49 FROM I 30 DOWN TO 2 76 THAT'S NOW CALLED CORPORATE CROSSING WAS A 5 49.
AND WE AGREED WITH TEXDOT TO TAKE IT OFF SYSTEM AND BUILD IT END TO END AND MAKE IT A CITY STREET, AND NOW ARE FOREVER COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING IT AS A CITY STREET.
AND THAT OPTION IS ALWAYS ON THE TABLE.
IF YOU, IF WE START DIVING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, T.IS GONNA BE LIKE, Y'ALL DID IT.
I-I-I-I-I-I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THAT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I JUST, THAT T DOT NEEDS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO TAKE IT FOR LOT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THAT I'VE SEEN TDOT DO THAT BEFORE, BUT YOU OWN IT ONCE YOU DO.
I THINK IF YOU START, I DON'T WANNA PIECEMEAL THINGS TOGETHER EITHER.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING TO TATA DOING IS CALLED, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S LOCAL LETTING AND THEN DONATING IT BACK TO TT AND THEY'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO WE WOULD NOT BE ASSU, WE WOULD NOT BE ASSUMING THE ROAD.
SO JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY AND DEFINITION ALL THIS SOON AFTER YOU'RE MEETING WITH SUSAN AND, AND MO THEY CALLED ME ABOUT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THEY DON'T TAKING ALL PROJECTS.
AND THEY SAID THAT, AND THEY ALSO SAID THAT
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AFTER THE MEETING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH, I THINK, UH, TRAVIS CAMP AND CHIP BUSH, WHICH IS THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ENGINEER AND CPD DIRECTOR, THEY'RE GONNA LET YOU DO, IF YOU WANNA DO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE YOU LET ETTE DO 66.THAT WAS, THEY MIGHT LET YOU DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU TAKE OVER, UH, THEIR ON SYSTEM PROJECTS.
AND IF THAT EXPERIENCES IN THE DALLAS DISTRICT RE MOST RECENTLY AT TARRELL WHERE THEY DID A PROJECT AND THEY COULDN'T PASS THE AUDIT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME BACK AND STOPPED THE REIMBURSEMENT PAYMENTS FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS ON THAT.
AND IF YOU PICK UP A PROJECT TO DO FOR THE STATE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA DO ALL THE THINGS THEY DO.
AND IF YOU DO A BREAKOUT PROJECT AND IT'S IN A PROJECT THAT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEARED, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE 5 49 AND 2 76 CURRENTLY CLEARED AND DO A BREAKOUT PROJECT.
THEN YOU GOTTA DO A SUBSET DESIGN SET FOR THAT.
YOU THEN YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE PROJECT COST ABOUT 30% BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE INSPECTORS TESTING, UM, UH, A GEC TO DO IT PROJECT MANAGER.
AND IT ENDS UP COSTING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MORE TO DO THE PROJECT THAN IT DOESN'T STATE BECAUSE THE STATE ALREADY HAS ALL THAT IN, IN, UH, IN POSSESSION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, I KNOW THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW COURT, BUT WE HAVE, WHEN WE WANTED TO EXPEDITE A PROJECT, WHEN THERE WERE, WERE FUNDING CONSTRAINTS, WE SPENT, WE DID A THIRD OF THE COST OF THE IBY CAMPBELL JOB ON A PROGRAM CALLED ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD WHERE THE LOCUS PUT IN THIRD CONSTRUCTION.
THE STATE PUT A THIRD AND THE FEDS PUT IN THIRD AND IT MOVED AHEAD OF ALL THE OTHER PROJECT INTERCHANGES.
THEN WHEN DID PASS THROUGH TOING ON 35 49 AT THE INTERCHANGE WHERE WE PAID HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT AND WE'RE GETTING 85 CENTS BACK ON THE DOLLAR, WE CHOSE TO LET THE STATE BE THE IMPLEMENTING AGENCY BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THEIR PROJECTS BETTER.
AND I DIDN'T WANT ROCKWELL COUNTY CAUGHT AT THE BACK END OF A PROJECT NOT BEING ABLE TO PASS AN AUDIT.
THE STATE ALWAYS APPROVES THEIR OWN WORK, SO THEY KNEW THEY'D GET THEIR AUDIT DONE AND WE PAID 20% OF THE, UH, JOHN KING INTERCHANGE.
SO I THINK YOU BETTER RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BREAK OUT PROJECTS, TRY TO GET THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEAR AND THE ALMOST DONE, I THINK 2, 7 6 AND 5 49 ARE LIKE READY TO LET SOMETIME IN 26 MAKE AN OFFER TO THE STATE ON COVERING A PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH COULD EQUAL TO WHATEVER THE INTERSECTION BREAKOUT IS THAT YOU WANNA DO AND SEE IF THEY CAN, UH, USE THAT TO LEVERAGE.
BECAUSE THE STATE'S ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SHORT OF CLIENTS.
SO A BETTER USE OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT, I THINK WOULD BE TAKING YOUR MONEY THAT YOU HAVE WITH THESE PROJECTS AND TRY TO ENTICE THE STATE BY PAYING PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE PUMP.
JUST LIKE I SAID, GET GET, GET, GET 'EM STARTED DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THEN, BECAUSE I'M DOING SEVERAL PROJECTS IN OTHER AREAS AND THE BREAKOUT PROJECTS END UP BEING ALMOST AS MUCH TROUBLE AS THE PROJECT THEMSELVES.
UM, AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE FUNDING HUNDRED PERCENT IN ANOTHER COUNTY AND WE'RE STILL HAVING TROUBLE, WE STILL GOTTA GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OF MOVING UTILITIES, RELOCATING THINGS AND IT BECOMING, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
BUT JOHN, IF WE DID THAT, LET'S SAY YOUR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY WE TOOK 20% OR A THIRD, THIRD, THIRD OR WHATEVER WE CAME UP WITH, DO WE GET THEIR ATTENTION? BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY GROWING WEARY OF IS PROJECTS THAT WE TRY TO PRIME THE PUMP ON AND THEY STILL SIT FOR EIGHT YEARS OR 12 YEARS.
SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T PRIMED ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
BEFORE WE DID THE 2019 BOMB PROGRAM, THERE WAS A LULL AND WE, COMMISSIONER MAGNUS WAS REALLY TRYING TO PUSH THE PREVIOUS COURTS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE BOMB PROGRAM.
WE GOT IT DONE IN 19 AND COVID HIT AND IT PUT US INTO A, A DOWNWARD, UH, TRACK WHERE WE WEREN'T GETTING ANYTHING DONE.
THAT'S THE LAW WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
IF WE GO TO TEXAS ON 2 76 OR WHATEVER PROJECT Y'ALL SAY PRIORITY AND SAY, LISTEN, WE'RE WILLING TO COME IN WITH 30% OF THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY'LL BUY RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S EITHER UH, 80% FEDERAL AND 20% STATE.
SO IF WE COULD PICK UP THE STATE'S 20% OF THAT PROJECT THAT GETS THE STATE OUTTA IT AND THEN IT'S A FEDERAL, WELL, WELL, BUT FINE, FINE.
BUT WHAT I WOULDN'T WANNA DO IS STRATEGICALLY IS TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL PICK UP 30% AND WAIT EIGHT OR 12 YEARS BECAUSE THEN WE JUST COMMITTED TO 30% AND WE'VE MADE NO PROGRESS.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE EIGHT OR 12 YEARS THAT, I DUNNO WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT FROM, BUT THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE YEAH, BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON HERE, AND I KNOW THAT MO
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TELL YOU THIS TOTALLY TELL YOU THIS, THAT Y'ALL WOULDN'T EVEN BE IN THE POSITION TODAY TO DEMAND THESE PROJECTS BE FUNDED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.IF YOU HADN'T STARTED BACK IN OH EIGHT AND OH 9, 0 10 TO GET THESE PROJECTS READY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO FEED THE PIPELINE WITH THESE TRIP 21 PROJECTS, BUT WE'VE STOPPED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OUTER LOOK.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU, IF YOU, YOU CAN DO BOTH, YOU CAN DO MORE THAN ONE THING, GO IN AND MAKE THE DEAL.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE COMFORT LEVEL WITH THIS COURT ANYMORE TO GO CUT DEALS, UH, AND MAKE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT AUTHORITY ANYMORE.
IN THE PAST, I WOULD GO CUT THE DEALS, BRING THAT BACK TO THE COURT, AND THE COURT WOULD SAY YES OR NO.
AND SO I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT KIND OF LEEWAY.
WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP THAT OUR JUDGE HAS RE HAS SUGGESTED AND WE GO THROUGH IT.
WE HAVE GOOD INFORMATION, WE CAN PRIORITIZE THINGS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.
MY, MY REALLY BIG CONCERN, I I'M JOHN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, JOHN, STACY AND I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, WHICH IS HOW CAN WE GET CREATIVE AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO SPEND MONEY TO GET ROADS BUILT? BUT COMMITTING WITHOUT GETTING THE RESULT IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED BECAUSE THEN WE MIGHT JUST BUILD, BUILD ROADS OURSELVES.
SO WHEN I, I WAS HERE LAST, UH, IN COURT, I WENT DOWN, EVERYBODY SAYS NOTHING'S GOTTEN DONE.
AND I WENT DOWN TO LITANY OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN ROCKWELL COUNTY JUST FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF A CONCERTED EFFORT BY THIS COURT AND THIS BODY TO KEEP THE PRESSURE GOING.
IT DOES TAKE TIME TO GET A STATE ROAD READY TO GO, BUT YOU'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS IN YOUR LIST RIGHT NOW THAT ARE READY TO GO THAT THE 2 76 5 48 INTERSECTION, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BREAK THAT OUT, THAT PROJECT'S READY TO GO.
ALL WE GOTTA DO IS A FEW MORE UTILITIES RELOCATE, SWEETEN THE POT AND GET TO PUT IT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, UTP.
THAT'S THE WAY TO GET THAT DONE.
I MEAN, JEFF'S HERE, HE CAN TELL YOU, AND TO ME THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE AND I'M GLAD, GLAD THAT MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM BROUGHT THAT UP AS A PRIORITY BECAUSE IT'S INCREASING THREE PROJECT AND IT'S A PRIORITY.
IF I READ YOUR SUMMARIES RIGHT, IT'S READY TO GO.
BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD BY BYT DOT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE NEXT FOUR 'CAUSE IT'S A3 5 MILLION PROJECT AND YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING ANY FUNDS TO IT.
ALL YOU DID WAS GET IT READY TO LET AND THEN SAY, OKAY, I NEED A HUNDRED PERCENT COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MEANS 20% WILL COME FROM THE STATE AND 80% WILL COME FROM THE FEDS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU GOTTA DO BOTH.
YOU GOTTA GET THEM READY TO LET AND THEN LIKE WE DID ON HERBIE CAMPBELL, YOU COMMIT FUNDS TO IT TO GET IT BILL, YOU GOTTA DO THE NEXT STEP.
WAIT, WELL THEN WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP WE FIGURED OUT BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR GETTING IT DONE, MR. MAYOR, SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO WE CAN BRING THIS TO THE FIFTH GRADE LEVEL FOR ME JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND REAL QUICK.
SO I HEAR WE'RE SAYING TO THE STATE, I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME I'M JUST CALL YOU STATE, NOT THAT YOU ARE, BUT JUST SO YOU FOR ME,
SO IF WE'RE SAYING EIGHT, I DUNNO WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM, BUT Y'ALL ARE SAYING EIGHT YEARS, IT TAKES, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE TIMELINE ON THE COUNTY SO FAR, ARE WE MOVING AND SHAKING ALSO? BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT MOVING AND SHAKING ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SAY SOMETHING TO ANOTHER ENTITY THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH.
AND THAT'S JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I DUNNO IF WE'RE OR ARE NOT, IF WE'RE GREAT IF WE'RE NOT, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN TELL SOMEBODY ELSE THEY'RE NOT HITTING THE BALL EITHER.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO AGAIN, SORRY JAMES TO CALL YOU OUT AGAIN, BUT IT GOES BACK TO HIS POINT IF NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP, SO WE'RE KICKING THE CAN AGAIN.
I MEAN WELL, I, I AND, AND I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT, I'M NOT BOXING IT, I'M JUST SAYING THE CAN THAT'S THE PROCESS.
BUT SO AFTER THAT WORKSHOP, WILL WE MAKE A DECISION OR WILL WE CALL FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP AFTER IT? MY POINT IS WE HAVE TO START TAKING ACTION AT SOME POINT INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
WELL, AND THE CONVERSATION HAS TO COME BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN SENSE COMMISSIONER TY'S FRUSTRATION.
WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, AND THEN ROADS AREN'T GETTING BUILT.
WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE HOW WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY IS GETTING ROADS.
BUT IF WE'RE GIVING HIM, IT SOUNDED LIKE IF YOU, IF WE'RE GIVING HIM SOMETHING AND I, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A LET PROCESS AND SOME OTHER STUFF, BUT IF WE'RE GIVING HIM SOMETHING TO TAKE TO THE STATE, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I ALSO WORRY THAT IF HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO GO DOWN AND CUT DEALS BECAUSE OF A COMFORT LEVEL, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S GOT A COMFORT LEVEL TO GO DOWN THERE.
AND I AGREE AND CUT THE DEALS BECAUSE THAT THAT WORRIES ME TOO.
I I WANT MY GUY TO BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THERE AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF US AND FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M RIGHT.
WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THIS IS YOUR GUY AND, AND AND THIS IS YOUR
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GUY.SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I THINK THAT HAVE, HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST, PROBABLY THREE TO SIX MONTHS IN THIS COURT THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY COME ACROSS THE FINISH LINE YET, WHICH POINTS TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON.
THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, UPDATING OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT THIS COURT HAS RIGHT NOW WAS COMPLETED IN 1818.
IT HAS A 2019 DATE ON IT, BUT THE, THE CONTENT IN IT'S 2018, WE ALL KNEW THAT, KNOW THAT ROCKWELL COUNTY HAS HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGES ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE OWE IT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS TO UPDATE OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, UH, ON MARCH 21ST, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, TY AND STACY MADE A PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO A COMMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE ON THE OUTER LOOP.
THEY BOTH MADE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP AND THE, AND SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS THEY HAD, THAT THEY HAD HAD WITH MICHAEL MORRIS C**K.
AND WE ARE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO GET SOME UPDATES ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BECAUSE THAT DOES, THAT, DOES, THAT POINTS BACK TO SOME COMMENTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE IN REGARDS TO WHERE ARE WE ON THE DECISION FOR THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO THE OUTER LOOP.
DID WE EVER GET THE TRAFFIC STUDY BACK THAT COMMISSIONER TY HAD ASKED FOR? NOT YET, BUT WE'RE CLOSE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE IT FOR THIS MEETING, BUT WE DIDN'T.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN CORRESPONDING WITH, UH, ITS AND SO WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT SHORT ANSWER.
WE HAVEN'T GOT THE INFORMATION.
LONGER ANSWER IS AS SOON AS WE GET IT AND HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THE NEXT CONSORTIUM MEETING.
THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO, TO, TO SHARE WITH YOU.
I I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL I'VE BEEN THIS IN THIS ROLE.
NOW THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN WHAT SOMETIMES WE, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO, WHAT, WHAT SOMETIMES WE WOULD HOPE FOR, WE'D HAVE ANSWERS WITHIN 60 TO 90 DAYS IF, IF, IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT.
BUT WE ARE CLOSE TO HAVING I THINK, SOME, SOME DEFINITIVE DECISIONS TO HELP US MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CHALLENGING, I'M TRYING TO BE UNDERSTANDING PROCESS.
OH, I JUST RAISED MY HEAD SAYING NEXT TIME AN OPPORTUNITY CAME UP TO TALK GO AHEAD.
MAKE SURE I WASN'T, WASN'T INTERRUPT, JOHN, WHY DO YOU FEEL YOU DON'T HAVE A LEVEL GOING THE STATE SPEAKING ON OUR BEHALF? I'M JUST I'D THAT A STATEMENT I MADE.
AND, AND YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT I WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, THE, THE JUDGE AND I HAD BROUGHT OUT A, A TRANSPORTATION, UH, SURVEY THAT WE ASKED EACH OF YOU GUYS TO FILL OUT.
AND LAST MONTH, OR LAST TIME WE MET, WHICH WAS IN I BELIEVE, UM, MAY, WE WENT OVER THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY THAT EVERYONE HERE ANSWERED IT, AND IT WAS PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS THAT THE FOLKS AROUND THIS TABLE, WHETHER THEY'RE YOU'RE NEW OR YOUR PREDECESSORS HERE, ALL ALL SUPPORTED THAT THE CONSORTIUM CONCEPT THAT HAD BEEN PRESENTED AND THIS THIS COUNTY HAD BEEN USING FOR YEARS SINCE COMMISSIONER M**K WAS STILL NOT M**K, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER, UH, MAGNUS WAS ONE THAT WE HAD ALL THAT, THAT MOST EVERYONE STILL WANTED TO USE AND WANTED TO FOLLOW.
THERE MAY BE SOME TWEAKING TO IT AND SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE NEEDED TO BE REFINED TO IT, BUT OVERALL, THE, THE RESULTS WERE UNANIMOUS THAT THAT WAS A, A CONCEPT THAT WAS WORKING FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AT THE TIME.
SO, UM, WE, WE DO NEED TO RE REEVALUATE THAT AND LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS WE WERE LOOKING TO, AS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, PUT UP AN RFQ FOR, UM, A A A CONSULTANT POSITION, WHICH THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DID DO THAT.
AND LAST MONTH, OR EXCUSE ME, WHEN WAS IT NOT LAST MONTH, MONTH BEFORE LAST.
WE HAD, UM, WE HAD TWO CANDIDATES THAT THAT PUT IT, THAT ITS AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMPANY THAT, THAT SUBMITTED FOR THE, THE CONSORTIUM, UH, FOR, FOR US.
SO THE ONLY ONE THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WAS QUALIFIED WAS ITS.
AND WE ARE AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS UP AND THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO PUT IT ON ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM AND, AND CONTINUE WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ITS OR WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING AS A COUNTY ON THIS ROLE WITH ITS AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY SUPPORT AND SUPPLY TO ROCKWELL COUNTY.
THAT PROBABLY SAYS WHY HE'S NOT COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA, THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S A COMMON SENSE THING.
I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE EITHER IF
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I'M HEARING THAT.I MEAN, AND NOT, I HOPE I'M NOT OUTTA TURN IF I'M JUDGE, PLEASE JUST PUT ME IN CHECK.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, IF WE HAVE THIS MUCH GOING ON, WHY WE WOULD'VE EVEN DONE AN RFQ.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF RFQ, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT THIS MUCH GOING ON IN A PERSON WITH THAT MUCH KNOWLEDGE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON, WHY WOULD YOU WANNA PAUSE THE BUTTON TO REITERATE, RETRAIN? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST KICK TO ME IS KICKING THE CAN AND CAUSING THE TIMELINE TO EXTEND, AGAIN, JUST MY THOUGHTS AND I, I'M, AGAIN, IF I OVERSTEP ON OKAY WITH BEING PUTTING CHECKS, IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
SO I, I'LL, UH, AFTER THIS MEETING, YOU AND I CAN GET TOGETHER AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
SO JUDGE, IF I, IF I MAY, AND IF I CAN SPEAK, REMOVE MYSELF FROM ROY CITY OR OR COUNCIL POSITION, UH, FROM A PERSONAL LEVEL AND A BUSINESS PERSON, AND I'VE SERVED ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS.
FIRST OF ALL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I TRUST JOHN A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I THINK HE'S DONE GREAT FOR THE COUNTY, SECURED US MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I I, I HAVE COMPLETE AND FULL TRUST IN WHAT ITS DOES, UH, FOR THE COUNTY.
BUT I, I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO, MAYBE TO ME IT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING OF, OF THE CONSORTIUM, I I OF THE CONSORTIUM GETTING ANYTHING DONE, I DUNNO THAT WE'RE GETTING ANYTHING DONE.
I DON'T THINK, UM, ANY PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD ON THIS LIST I DON'T THINK HAVE MOVED FORWARD AT ALL.
WE'VE, UM, I THINK THE MONEY HAS DRIED UP AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SAID TO NOT ONLY THE COURT, BUT I THINK ALL THE CITIES THAT THE MONEY IS GONNA DRY UP.
AND I THINK THE WHEELS CAME OFF WHEN EVERYBODY STARTED BACKPEDALING ON THE OUTER LOOP.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE OUTER LOOP MAY BE THE KINK IN THE, IN THE HO.
AND I, I MEAN, I, I COULD BE WRONG, I DUNNO, BUT IT, IT SEEMS THAT WAY.
I, I, I THINK THAT CONTRIBUTES TO IT JUST BEING HONESTLY.
BUT I ALSO THINK WHAT CONTRIBUTES TO IT IS T CONSOLIDATING POWER BACK IN AUSTIN INSTEAD OF THE POWER AND THE FUNDING GOING THROUGH REGIONS.
UH, JUST LIKE ALL THE CITIES HERE ARE FAMILIAR WITH, THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO CONSOLIDATE POWER BACK IN AUSTIN.
SO, UH, THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH OF THOSE THAT, THAT'S GOING ON.
AND I'LL SAY EVERY DAY THAT WE DELAY MAKING DECISIONS SETS US BACK EVEN FURTHER.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
GO AHEAD DENNIS, AND THEN YOU'RE NEXT SCOTT.
I JUST WANNA AGREE WITH WHAT BRIAN JAMES SAID ABOUT JOHN, AND THIS IS MY OPINION MEANS SOMETHING TO SOME PEOPLE DON'T MEAN ANYTHING TO OTHERS, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE CHANGE IN MIDSTREAM HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK JOHN'S DONE A GOOD JOB.
I THINK HE'S REPRESENTED THE COUNTY WELL.
I THINK HE'S GOT US MONEY THAT LOT OF CONSULTANTS WOULDN'T GET US.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOLD UP IS WITH JOHN IS I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, UM, I I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT BEHIND US.
I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS NEED TO GET THAT BEHIND US.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY VOTE IS TO KEEP JOHN, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE, HAVE A VOICE THOUGH.
I HAVE A VOICE AND, AND I THINK JOHN'S DONE A GREAT JOB AND, AND I THINK IF WE CHANGE JOHN NOW WE'RE TAKING A HUGE GIANT STEP BACKWARDS ON MAKING PROGRESS.
JOHN, UH, QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO YOUR WORK WITH OTHER COUNTIES WITH WHAT ARE SOME BEST PRACTICES THAT WE NEED TO BE MADE AWARE OF, OF WHERE IT'S WORKING AND WHERE TDOT IS PERHAPS FUNDING PROJECTS AT A MORE RAPID PACE THAN THEY HAVE HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY? SO I BROUGHT SOMETHING I'M GONNA GET THESE COMMISSIONERS FOR, AND Y'ALL SHOWS VERY DISMAL, UH, FUTURE FOR THE 10 YEAR PLAN, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AND IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IT LOOKS LIKE ROCKWALL COUNTY WAS ISOLATED.
I'M GONNA PROVIDE PEOPLE AT THE RTC PROVIDE ITS RTC MEMBERS, WHICH IS THAT SAME UTP BY TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT IT SHOWS THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE EVERY COUNTY WHEN IT'S READ, IT'S NOT GOOD.
AND YOU'LL SEE COLIN, IT'S ALPHABET OR ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO ROCKWALL.
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WHERE THEY HAVE PUSHED ALL THESE PROJECTS OUT.26, 27, 28, THEY WERE OVER PROGRAMMED BY 9 BILLION.
THEY CUT FOUR OUT HOUSTON, TWO OUT 3 0 4 OUT COST.
THEY TOOK A HALF A BILLION OUT OF DATON COUNTY.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN I HAND OUT THAT TO THE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND SO THE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THE ONLY WAY TO GET THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO LAND IN THE 26 27 TIMEFRAME IS TO BUY DOWN THE COST SOMEHOW.
AND WHAT WE CAN ALSO DO IS CHANGE THE COLOR OF MONEY BECAUSE CATEGORY FOUR AND CATEGORY 12 AND CATEGORY FIVE AND CATEGORY SEVEN, CATEGORY TWO, FEDERAL.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, WHAT THEY WERE GONNA IDENTIFY, SWAP OUT EACH CATEGORY TWO, SOME OTHER FUNDING CATEGORY.
SO WE'RE NOT HIT BY THAT CONSTRAINT.
SO THEY'VE RESHUFFLED THE DECK, THEY'VE REPRIORITIZED AND THEY'VE CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE PRIORITIES IF THEY SET THE PRIORITIES.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU GOT PROJECT LIKE 2 75 GO RIGHT, 49 THE MONEY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S CATEGORY TWO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I'M, IF SWITCH CATEGORY TWO OR SEVEN WOULD CONVERSATION 12, CHANGE MONEY.
BUT WHAT WILL GET THEM TO INCENTIVIZE TO LOOK AT THEM IS IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WHERE WE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE FUNDING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION OF PROJECT.
WELL I SURE HOPE YOU'RE INVITED TO THIS.
I'LL, SCOTT, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHEN, WHEN HE, WHEN THAT REPORT CAME OUT, I CALLED OUR CONSULTANT AND I, AND HE SPENT PROBABLY NEARLY AN HOUR WITH ME GOING OVER THOSE REPORTS BECAUSE I WAS SEEING ALL THOSE NUMBERS AND HE EXPLAINED ALL OF THAT TO ME.
AND IT IS NOT A ROCK WALL COUNTY ONLY PROBLEM.
AS, AS HE STARTED LOOKING AT, AND I'M LOOKING AT DENTON AND I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE DENTON STATE REPS IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION COM, UM, COMMISSION IN AUSTIN, AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THE ONES IN DENTON THAT DIDN'T GET THAT THEY'RE ALL GETTING PUSHED DOWN FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE MORE, MORE YEARS.
IT'S NOT JUST A ROCKWELL THING.
I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE THERE COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING IT A DIFFERENT WAY THAT ARE GETTING DIFFERENT RESULTS? I THINK THAT IF YOU ASKED WHAT MO AND TOLD TO DO, THEY TOLD THEM TO KEEP GOING THE WAY YEAH, THAT'S CLOSE TO WHAT I SAID BECAUSE THE ONLY THEY CAN GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT GOT PUSHED IN BEN COUNTY WAS FIVE 50 MILLION PROJECT ON I 35.
WE'VE HAD THAT MONEY THAT LONG AND WE HAD TO SPEND IT BECAUSE WE STILL HAD TO GET AN ENVIRONMENT, WE STILL HAD TO BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY 500, I MEAN 57.
ALL THE UTILITIES HAD TO BE LOCATED.
AND THE, BECAUSE IT TOOK US A LONG TIME BECAUSE TO INTERSTATE, BY THE TIME WE GOT READY, WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS FIVE 50 MILLION JOB.
SO WE WANTED TO CUT IT INTO LITTLE PIECES TO MAKE IT MORE LESS EXPENSIVE.
THAT PUSHED IT OUT FROM 26 TO 28.
SO WE, WE DECIDED THAT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET BETTER PRICES, ET CETERA.
SO EVERYBODY THAT, THAT I WORK FOR AND, AND THERE'S, AS YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT, I GO THROUGH THE RQS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, DISCOUNT, IT'S STILL THE DO EVERY FIVE YEARS GO OUT AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
UH, AND VERY RARELY DOES ANYBODY SUBMIT ON US BECAUSE WE DON'T GET IN BETWEEN YOUR PROGRAM AND A DOLLAR.
ALL THESE OTHER ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT WANT MAKE MONEY OFF OF WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO, WE DON'T DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY NOBODY ELSE SUBMITS WE'RE DOING DO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO WE COULD SELL THESE THINGS.
IF YOU, IF WE CAN AFFORD TO SAY WE'RE GONNA START PUTTING MONEY INTO CONSTRUCTION AGAIN, WE GO SELL THAT AND WE GET ON OUR PROJECT AND THERE WILL BE PROJECTS THAT FALL OUT.
EVERY YEAR THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT FALL OUTTA THE UTP.
I KNOW WE'VE GOTTA GIVE THEM A REASON TO PICK OUR APPRECIATE WHO IS MO AND THE OTHER G THEY'RE WITH T, RIGHT? LOW BURN IS THE STEP TP AND D DIRECTOR, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
AND WHAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING IN ROCKWELL COUNTY, HE'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE HAVING IT IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY OUT IN EL PASO AND CENTRAL TEXAS.
THESE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO EVERY CORNER OF THE STATE INCORPORATED AREAS IN DROPPING CITIES ON
SO YOUR PAIN POINTS ARE, THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH TECH STOCK AND SO THEY'RE SEEING A LOT OF BLURB.
WHAT WE GOTTA DO IS GIVE CLARITY AND GIVE THEM A REASON.
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MY, MY POINT IS, IS IF IF THE TOP GUYS ARE TELLING US WHAT TO DO, WHAT IS THERE LEFT TO TALK ABOUT? THE TOP GUYS ARE ALSO THE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH ABOUT GETTING CREATIVE WITH HOW TO GET ROADS DONE.SO, SO, BUT THEY'RE THE GUYS THAT CAN BE DONE, RIGHT? HE SAID, WELL, WELL TO BE FAIR, UM, WHAT JOHN SAID WAS THAT'S WHAT MO SAID, THAT'S 80% OF WHAT MO SAID.
HE ALSO SAID, YOU NEED TO BEAR DOWN, GET CREATIVE AND FIND WAYS TO PUT MONEY INTO THESE PROJECTS TO MOVE THEM UP THE LIST.
WHICH IS, BUT HE, BUT BUT HE SAID DON'T STOP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS HIS, THAT EVERYBODY IN THAT ROOM DISRESPECT KNEW YOUR COUNTY ENGINEER MO BURN WEREN'T AROUND WHEN THE COUNTY WAS PUTTING MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS ISN'T A NEW IDEA TO MAKE.
IT MAY BE NEW TO YOU, IT MAY BE NEW TO MO, BUT IT'S NOT NEW TO ROCKWELL COUNTY.
I'M SAYING, SO YOU WANNA BE CREATIVE, TALK TO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 30 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'D BE A GOOD START.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S MY POINT.
IF THE TOP GUYS ARE GIVING YOU THE SECRET SAUCE, SPREAD IT, USE IT.
LET'S GO, LET'S, LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND IF THE TOP GUYS ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH JOHN HERE, I, I JUST, I THINK IT, IT, I'M, IT'S COMING TO SOUND TO ME LIKE THIS IS MORE OF NOT A BUSINESS ISSUE BUT A PERSONALITY ISSUE.
AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS MANY DOLLARS FOR TAXPAYERS, YOU BETTER SET YOUR PERSONALITIES, ISSUES ASIDE REAL QUICK AND GET ON BOARD WITH DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU, IF THEY SNIFF IT OUT, YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONE HOLDING IT BY YOURSELF.
I, I, I AGREE WITH FOCUSING ON THE TAXPAYER COULD, COULDN'T AGREE WITH SAME PAGE.
THEN I THINK IF IT IS A PERSONALITY ISSUE, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION THAT IS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS GETS FIXED AND WE MOVE ON TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE, SO WITH THAT STATEMENT, I'M GONNA PUT A PERIOD THERE AND GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION UPDATES.
EVERYBODY GOT EMAILED AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM JUST GOING PAGE AFTER PAGE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT.
OR JOHN, ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE CONSORTIUM ROAD REPORT? AND THEN JEFF, I'M GONNA QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THAT REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST, JUST A CLARIFICATION.
I, THEY, I I THOUGHT I HEARD ALREADY IS 5 49 DESIGN, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? IT'S THERE'S NINE ON FOUR.
SO ON PAGE FOUR I'M PUTTING OUT ON PAGE FOUR IS A PROJECT THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE UM, WELL IT'S READY AND IT'S FUNDED.
YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, IT'S GOT $52 MILLION IN, IN, IN CATEGORY FIVE AND FOUR.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE, OR THE COURT AS A WHOLE, IF THIS IS A PROJECT WE WANNA GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION, REVAMP SOME OF YOUR THINKING AND TO CONTRIBUTE SOME DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS PROJECT SO THAT THE NEXT TIME THERE'S A HOLE IN THE UTP IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, THIS PROJECT GETS SELECTED BECAUSE WE'RE LEVERAGING FUNDS.
SO IN SAYS BASICALLY THEN TALKS ABOUT BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS.
OKAY, SO PUTTING SOME MONEY INTO IT WOULD HELP WITH THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN I SAY BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS, I'M TALKING ABOUT A THING CALLED LEVEL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE COVERED THIS WITH YOU'ALL, BUT THE 10 YEAR PLAN IS A HUNDRED HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS.
SO THAT WOULD BE 10 BILLION A YEAR IF YOU DID IT LEVEL EIGHT.
WHAT TEXDOT HAS DONE UP UNTIL THIS YEAR IS THAT THEY HAD PROJECTS READY TO GO IN A YEAR.
THEY LEFT THOSE PROJECTS IN A YEAR.
SO RIGHT NOW THE 25 YOU HAD ABOUT $11 BILLION, 25, ABOUT 13 OVER 14 BILLION TO 26 15 INCH CHANGE.
THERE'S A WEBSITE I CAN GIVE YOU AGAIN, GO LOOK AT THIS YOURSELF.
15 OR 16 BILLION AND THEN IT WAS 18 BILLION IN 28.
SO THE COMMISSION TOLD TECH STOCK THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH AND CUT $9 BILLION OUT OF 27.
I MEAN 26, 27 TO 28, NOT CUT THE PROJECT, THE MONEY'S STILL THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT BREAKDOWN, YOU'LL SEE IT WAS 27, NOW IT'S 30, IT'S 26 NOW IT'S 28.
THEY JUST PUSHED THE PROJECTS TO ANOTHER YEAR RIGHT.
AND THE LEVEL ISN'T BECAUSE IT'S BETTER STOCK BECAUSE THE PROJECT BUILT TODAY IS CHEAPER THAN THE PROJECT BUILT TOMORROW.
IT'S BECAUSE THE CONTRACTORS ARE SAYING WE DON'T LIKE THE ACCORDION TYPE WEDDING, SO WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE A LOT IN ONE YEAR, LITTLE NEXT YEAR.
AND SO IT MAKES IT, EACH AGENCY
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WENT SAY WE NEED IT TO BE MORE LEVEL.AND SO THE COMMISSION SAID WE'RE GONNA DO LEVEL EIGHT, WHICH MEANS THAT PROJECTS ARE READY AT 5 49.
NOW IMAGINE A PARKING LOT WITH PARKING SPOTS AND THEY'RE ALL FULL AND YOU'RE AT THE ENTRANCE, YOU'RE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO COME OUT TO PULL IN.
WE WANNA PAY TO BE THE FIRST IN OR SO THE LEVEL LETTING DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY AS WHAT YEAR THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN ABOUT, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON FIVE, THE OH FIVE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S BEING HELD UP ON 5 49 FROM 2 0 5 TO SEVEN 40? AS FAR AS DESIGN? UM, I MEAN, SO WE WE'RE ABOUT OUTTA MONEY AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY ENCUMBERED ON ALL YOUR OH EIGHT FUNDS.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO DO THE NEXT TRANCHE OF PROJECTS, GET THEM IN THE PIPELINE, WE NEED, UH, ISSUE IN THE DEBT.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT PROJECT ON THAT LIST HERE THAT, UH, WAS HANDED OUT.
OKAY, THAT'S PART OF THE WORKSHOP.
BUT THE ORIGINAL BOND, I GUESS THERE WAS 7 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT.
BOND IS STILL THERE AND IT STILL HAS THE 150 MILLION IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
BUT YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT UNTIL THE COURT ISSUES IT.
AND SO YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT TILL WHAT? TILL Y'ALL ISSUE.
ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN 21 THAT IF YOU SEE A LIST AND IT SAYS YOUR PROJECTS ON THERE UNDERSTOOD.
NOBODY'S CHANGED THE PRIORITIES.
LEMME LEMME ONE THING AND I I AGREE WITH YOU ALMOST TOTALLY, BUT THE MONEY'S NOT THERE.
MY APOLOGIES, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE TECHNICAL, BUT WHAT HAS, WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING NOW FOR SIX MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THIS IS WE NEED TO START ISSUING DEBT.
AND SO WE HAVE MONEY TO SPEND AND THAT'S WHAT, AND I I APPRECIATE THE WORKSHOP, COMMENT, WHOEVER MADE IT AND WE HAVE A KIND OF A JOKE, LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP, FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO WORKSHOPS,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE GOTTA PRIORITIZE THESE ITEMS AND THEN WHEN WE COME OUT OF THAT AND WE SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, I THINK OUR GOAL SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, AND LET'S HIT YOU 30 MILLION, 40 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'VE GOT AUTHORITY DO SO WE CAN START SPENDING THAT MONEY AND BUILDING ROADS.
SO IF WE, THAT'S PART BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IF WE BUILDING, MAKE SURE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO BUILD ROADS.
AND IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT WHERE YOU DECIDE TO ISSUE, WHAT I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT YOU DO IS WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING NOW IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART TO THE ISSUANCE.
THE FIRST ISSUANCE IS YOUR RATING AGENCIES.
YOU THINK YOU GOTTA PAY THEM TO DO YOUR RATING AGENCY, BUT AFTER THAT ALL YOU'RE PAYING IS YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS ISSUANCE COSTS TO GO OUT.
AND SO WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE HAD MULTIPLE BOND PROGRAMS ARE DOING NOW IN THAT FIRST THREE YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE YOUR RATING AGENCIES ARE GOOD FOR THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS, THEY ISSUE, THEY DON'T ISSUE A LOT.
THEY ISSUE WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED FOR THE NEXT SIX TO NINE MONTHS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA ENCUMBER ANY MORE DEBT THAN THEY HAVE TO.
KNOWING THAT THEY CAN GO OUT EVERY SIX MONTHS TO ISSUE AND THE ISSUANCE COST IS NOMINAL COMPARED TO THE INTEREST RATES YOU'RE PAYING ON.
SO SMALLER BIKES MORE QUICKER WOULD BE A MORE FIDUCIARILY WISE THING TO DO THAN GOING OUT AND TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THAT'S GOOD ADVICE BECAUSE WE GOTTA SPEND IT WISELY.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER, WELL I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE, IT MAY BE IN HERE SOMEWHERE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE PUT ON THERE IF BONDS HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED FOR THE PROJECT.
SO I MEAN I YOU MIGHT HAVE IN THE REPORT THAT WAY WE KNOW THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT AVAILABLE.
UM, FROM THE, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT KIND OF LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT BACK IN 21 THESE BONDS WERE ISSUED FUNDING AVAILABLE.
YOU LOOK IN THE FAR RIGHTHAND CORNER, IT'LL SAY 2021.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN REGARDING THIS? IF NOT, I GONNA HAVE JEFF C OF AMPLIFICATION THIS SIDE OF THE BAR THERE.
AND THEN, UH, SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE, JEFF, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU MUCH CANE.
UM, I'M TO COME YOU HERE AS OFTEN POSSIBLY CERTAINLY WORKING WITH JOHN, TRAINING DISCRETIONARY GRANTS, BUT IN PARTICULAR OBVIOUSLY WITH MENTION.
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MEETING NEXT MONTH, UM, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN JUST WANTED, JUST WANTED MODELING.WOULD LOVE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR, SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE LAST, WE NOW HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT WORKS WITH ACCOUNT.
SO I'M INTRODUCE YOU TO HER WHEN WE'RE DONE HERE.
WHAT ELSE? I KNOW YOU DIDN'T JUST BRING ONE THING FOR US.
CAN WE GET THAT OR HAVE MAYBE A CONVERSATION BEFORE IT'S JUST DUMPED ON US AT THE MEETING? OF COURSE.