* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [A) INVOCATION] [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IT IS AUGUST 14TH, 9:00 AM WE ARE AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING HAVING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET. I'M GONNA LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND ASK COMMISSIONER STACEY TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES IF EVERYBODY WOULD STAND. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY SEEKING WISDOM, SEEKING GUIDANCE, AND ULTIMATELY SEEKING TO DO YOUR WILL. WE HOPE THAT ALL THAT WE DO IS PLEASING TO YOU, TO YOU, AND IF NOT, PLEASE GENTLY GUIDE US IN THE DIRECTION THAT SERVES YOU BEST. IT'S IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. ALRIGHT, FIRST, THE AMERICAN I PLEDGE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH SAINT ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIT AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW TEXAS HONOR FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVISIBLE. ALL [1. PUBLIC FORUM] RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. IT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC FORUM. IT'S PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. TODAY, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT THAT DOESN'T LIMIT YOUR CONVERSATION TO JUST THE BUDGET. ONE PERSON HAS SIGNED UP, MR. TERRY GARRETT. AND WHILE MR. GARRETT, SHERIFF GARRETT IS UP HERE SPEAKING, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK CERTAINLY CAN. THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY, AND I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BE REINSTATED, UH, INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE 25 26. BUDGET ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION OFFICERS IN THE CON AS IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT WITH ROY CITY AND FATE. ONE ADDITIONAL, ONE, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO IMPROVE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY. AN ADDITIONAL COURTHOUSE DEPUTIES TO MEET THE GROWING SAFETY DEMANDS. RECLASSIFICATION OF DETENTION OFFICER TO LIEUTENANT FOR EFFECTIVE SPAN OF CONTROL, SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND UPDATES, PAY STEP PLAN FOR COMMUNICATION, DETENTION STAFF TO AREA MARKET STANDARDS AND INCREASE IN CERTIFICATION PAY INCLUDED, INCLUDING BILINGUAL PAY TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN QUALIFIED STAFF. WHY THIS MATTERS. PUBLIC SAFETY IS AN ESSENTIAL FUNCTION IN KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND SECURE. THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT THAT DESTROYS THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY IS ALL AROUND US. JUST LOOK TO THE WEST. SINCE 2017, ROCKWELL COUNTY POPULATION HAS GROWN BY 93%, YET OUR STAFFING HAS ONLY INCREASED BY APPROXIMATELY 45%. AS OF TODAY, WE ARE HOUSING 264 INMATES WHO COMMITTED CRIMES HERE IN OUR COUNTY. AND OUR SIX LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WORK TOGETHER DAILY TO ENSURE THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE COMMITTING MORE CRIMES. WE'RE IN ONE OF THE MOST COMPETITIVE PUBLIC SAFETY JOB MARKETS IN THE COUNTRY. NEIGHBORING AGENCIES OFFER HIGHER PAY AND BENEFITS, AND EVERY TIME WE LOSE AN EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEE, WE LOSE NOT JUST A PERSON, BUT YEARS OF TRAINING AND INVESTMENT RETRAINING OUR PEOPLE IS FAR MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN CONSTANTLY REPLACING THEM. THE COST OF NOT FUNDING IS FAR GREATER. WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER CITIES FROM PUBLIC SAFETY IS UNDERFUNDED, SLOWER RESPONSE TIMES HIGHER CRIME AND COMMUNITY DECLINE, WHETHER IT'S CALLED DEFUNDING OR SIMPLY NOT FUNDING, THE RESULTS ARE THE SAME. THE REALITY OF STAFFING CHALLENGES. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN CAREFUL AND EFFICIENT WITH THE BUDGETS WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH. BUT CHRONIC VACANCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, 12 TO 15 IN THE JAIL ON AVERAGE OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, FORCING REMAINING STAFF TO WORK MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME TO MAINTAIN SAFETY. DISPATCH HAS FACED THE SAME CHALLENGES. AND AT ONE POINT, WE'RE DOWN TH TO THREE OF 12 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS. SOMETIMES THOSE THREE DISPATCHERS ARE WORKING 20 HOURS A DAY JUST TO ANSWER THE CALLS, BUT YET THEY MAINTAINED AND, AND ANSWERED EVERY CALL. THAT LEVEL OF SACRIFICE IS NOT SUSTAINABLE WITHOUT COMPETITIVE PAY AND STAFFING. IN CLOSING, I'VE HEARD EACH OF YOU SAY, WE'VE ALL SAID ROCKWELL COUNTY IS ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST COUNTIES IN TEXAS, AND WE SHOULD REFLECT THAT BY FULLY FUNDING THE PEOPLE WHO PROTECT IT. THESE POSITIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS ARE NOT EXTRAS, THEY'RE NOT SLOGANS FOR A BUMPER STICKER. THEY'RE ESSENTIAL IN KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU ADD THESE ITEMS BACK INTO THE BUDGET. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? UM, JUDGE COULD, I KNOW WE'RE NOT TO RESPOND, [00:05:01] BUT COULD YOU ASK SHERIFF GARRETT TO PROVIDE US A WRITTEN LIST OF WHAT HE WANTS? 'CAUSE HE WAS GOING THROUGH IT PRETTY FAST AND I'M NOT SURE. NOT AT ALL. CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. YEAH. CAN YOU, CAN YOU EMAIL? YES. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? CONSTABLE, HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY? DO DOING WELL FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME, TELL US, TELL US WHO YOU ARE SINCE WE'RE DOING, I'M CONSTABLE RANDY PARKS, UH, CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT FOUR, ROCKWELL COUNTY. UM, I APPRECIATE JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS LETTING ME TALK TODAY. AND, UH, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS THAT COME OFF THE FIRST BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO BRING IT UP AND TRY TO GET 'EM BACK ON TODAY. IF WE COULD. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, I HAD PUT IN FOR A FULL-TIME DEPUTY WITH THE WORKLOAD THAT I'VE GOT. UH, WHEN I CAME TO YOU ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS, AND SHOWED YOU MY WORKLOAD AND WHEN WE WERE HITTING ABOUT 200 EVICTIONS. UH, WE'RE OVER TWO 50 AND RISING NOW. AND, UH, SO THE WORKLOAD IS THERE. UH, IT'S NOT GONNA SLOW DOWN. WE GOT MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE, AND I NEED YOUR HELP TODAY IF YOU CAN. UH, SO INSTEAD OF GOING WITH A FULL-TIME, I DECIDED TO DO RIGHT OFF THE FIRST TIME TO GO WITH A PART-TIME DEPUTY. AND THE FIGURES THAT I GOT FROM CAMMIE AT HR IS A PART-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE. ASSUMING AN AVERAGE OF 27 HOURS PER WEEK, UH, AT $35 AN HOUR WOULD COST $49,140. ONCE WE INCLUDE WORKERS' COMP, FICA RETIREMENT, THE LOADED TOTAL AMOUNT WILL BE 58 9 77. PLUS I WOULD HAVE TO, FOR THE DEPUTY, I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, ADD A VEST, SECURITY VEST, UH, COMPUTER OFFICE SUPPLIES, UNIFORM AND A BADGE. AND I FIGURED IT TO BE AROUND 64,000 6 77 FOR A PART-TIME DEPUTY. AND, UM, NOW ALSO I PUT IN, I WANT TO PUT BACK IN FOR, UH, ADDED ADDING. IF WE GOT THIS DEPUTY, I'D LIKE TO, UH, TURN MY CAR OVER FOR THE DEPUTY. OKAY. THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S A 2019, UH, TAHOE. UM, I'M, I'D LIKE TO PUT IN FOR A NEW TAHOE. THEY'VE WORKED VERY WELL AND, UM, THEY GOT PLENTY OF EQUIP WHERE YOU CAN PUT YOUR EQUIPMENT AND STUFF IN THERE, UH, ADDED IN A NEW RADIO TO IT IN A CAMERA. THE CAR WOULD RUN $86,410 AND 21 CENTS. THE RADIO AND CAMERA WOULD RUN 15,289. UM, THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 1 0 1 699. AND MY THINKING IS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT THE BUDGET ON IT AS JUDGE, I NOTICED UNDER FUND 51 THAT YOU HAD PUT IN FOR A FIRE MARSHAL IN FUND 51, THAT'S WHERE IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS GO IF THERE WAS ANY WAY POSSIBLE PLUS THE DEPUTY, SO I WOULDN'T PUT A LOAD ON THERE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS Y'ALL GOTTA DO IN THIS BUDGET, AND, UH, SO YOU WOULDN'T PUT A LOAD ON THAT. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING TODAY. PLUS, UM, SALARY. SO WHEN I PUT TURNED IN MY BUDGET, I HAD PUT 1 0 0 1 2 88 FOR SALARY. UM, THE THING IS, IS THAT I'M A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE VETERAN, AND I'VE, IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB. I KNEW IT WAS WHEN I TOOK THE JOB. WHAT IT PAID BACK THEN IS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE MARKET NOW. UH, IT, THE WORKLOAD KEEPS GOING UP. UH, I'M LOOKING AT MY, MY FELLOW VETERAN BROTHERS, [00:10:02] WHAT SOME OF THEM MAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE GUYS DOWN AT THE, THE COURTHOUSE DOWN AT THE FRONT, UH, THERE, AT THE LAST TIME I CHECKED ON IT, WERE AROUND 99,100 GUYS THAT HAVE TENURE. AND THEN PLUS, IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE 'EM, UH, 4%, UH, SINCE THEY'RE NOT ELECTED, AND THEN YOU TAKE MAYBE THE, SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN FOR THE BAILIFFS UP IN THE BIG COURTS. I'M HEARING, UM, DON'T KNOW ANY MOUTHS OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M HEARING THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND THE SAME AS WHAT THOSE GUYS ARE. I'M SITTING AT 86.9, WHERE IT ALL STARTED WAS WHEN, I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT IS, IT WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. THE COMMISSIONERS GAVE THEMSELVES A 25% RAISE ALL AT ONCE ONE YEAR, AND SHOULD HAVE DONE IT A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. AND FOR US, THEY PUT US AROUND 14, 15%. SO THAT'S WHERE, EVER SINCE THEN, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN BEHIND AND, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT ALL I CAN DO IS TODAY IS TALK FOR MYSELF. UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, TO GET IT RIGHT, UH, OR WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE BEHIND, UH, LOOK AT THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT. EVEN IF IT WAS 96,000 WITH A 3%, YOU'D STILL, YOU'D BE AT ABOUT 98 8, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THERE AND THE 1 0 1. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, Y'ALL, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE ALL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. I'M LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, UH, I KNOW EVERY ONE OF YOU AND YOUR FINE PEOPLE. IF YOU FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TODAY AND YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY, UM, I WOULD, I NEED THE DEPUTY, THE CAR, AND I CUT IT DOWN TO PART-TIME. AND IF YOU CAN HELP, THIS IS A LOT TO ASK AT ONE TIME. I KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN COMING UP THE LAST FEW YEARS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO FURTHER ON, YOU KNOW, UH, I LOVE MY JOB AND IF YOU CAN HELP ME, I APPRECIATE IT TODAY AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CONSTABLE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING [2. Discuss/ Act on the proposed FY2026 1st draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)] NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2026 FIRST DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. SO COMMISSIONER LICHTY RIGHT BEFORE THIS ASKED ME WHAT THE FORMAT'S GONNA BE, AND, AND I GAVE HIM MY TYPICAL ANSWER ROLLING TUMBLING FORMAT. UH, SO NO, NO ORDER. WE JUST, EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. UH, I'VE, UH, WRESTLED WITH THIS THING FOR MONTHS, SO THIS IS KIND OF YOUR GUYS' OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO JUMP IN AND, AND, UH, I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN MY, UH, STEADFASTNESS TO GET THE TAX PAYERS THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST TAX RATE WE CAN GET THEM WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHO, WHO, WHO WANTS TO JUMP IN AND START COMMISSIONER GALANOS FIRST TO THE BUTTON? I'LL JUMP IN REAL QUICK. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONSTABLE PAGE JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE. OKAY. SO IN 2020, THEIR PAY WAS AT 76,000 AND IT WAS LEFT THE SAME IN 21, LEFT THE SAME IN 22. AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IN MY OPINION, BEGAN. AND IF I WERE TO TAKE THESE NUMBERS AND, UM, OVER FROM 20 TO 21 AND 22, PUT JUST A STANDARD 3% RAISE IN AND THEN GIVE THE RAISES THAT CAME AFTER THAT, INCLUDING WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON GIVING AT 3% TO ELECTEDS, NOW THEY'D BE AT $96,000 IN SALARY. SO THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THEIR PAY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS COURT DID. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PREVIOUS COURT DID RIGHT BEFORE LAUREN AND I CAME. BUT THEIR, IN MY OPINION, IS AN ISSUE AND IT STARTED RIGHT THERE. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT COURT DECIDED TO DO THAT, UM, AND LEAVE THEIR PAY THAT WAY. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT BEHIND. THEY'D BE ON TRACK WITH PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IF THAT HAD NOT HAPPENED. SO JUST, JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE, I, I SUSPECT COID WOULD BE THE TRUE ANSWER THAT, THAT THE COURT DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT WORLD WE WERE GONNA BE LIVING IN. YEAH. UM, BOBBY OR COMMISSIONER ALANA. THANKS. [00:15:01] I, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THE, I ASKED, UH, OUR HR MANAGER, CAMMY WEBB FOR SOME INFORMATION, AND SHE GAVE ME A LIST OF 19 COUNTIES AND WHAT THEY PAY CONSTABLES, THOSE RANGE FROM A LOW OF $39,039 IN BOWIE COUNTY TO $150,000 IN FORT BEND COUNTY. UM, WE CAN PICK WHATEVER COUNTIES YOU WANT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THAT RANGE SINCE THAT WAS THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE, UH, PAY OF, WELL, WHERE IS IT? I WROTE IT DOWN HERE. 90 WHAT? 90,003 90 90,319. OKAY. I'LL GO WITH YOUR NUMBER, DANA, BECAUSE I KNOW I WROTE IT DOWN, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT. OH, 90. YEAH. SO WITH A 3% RAISE FROM WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, IT WOULD, AS BOBBY SAID, IT'D GET 'EM TO A LITTLE OVER $90,000. UM, I WANTED, I, MY PROPOSAL, OR MY THOUGHT WAS I'M NOT MAKING A PROPOSAL YET, WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING, WAS THAT WE INCREASE THE SALARIES OF THE CONSTABLES, UM, TO THE AVERAGE, OH, HERE'S THE AVERAGE OF THOSE 19 COUNTIES. THE AVERAGE IS $90,495. SO IF THAT WAS TODAY, THAT WOULD BE $90,500. IF WE GAVE A 3% RAISE ON TOP OF THAT, THAT WOULD MOVE IT TO ABOUT $95,000. SO JUST KIND OF THE SAME BASIC NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOBBY IN THAT RANGE. UM, SO, BUT WE ARE UNDERPAID. THE CONSTABLES HAVEN'T BEEN PAID. I, I DON'T, I, WE, THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY HELPFUL, UH, WHOEVER BROUGHT 'EM UP. UM, SO, BUT I, I THINK I'D AGREE WITH YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER, THAT THE, UM, CONSTABLES ARE UNDERPAID AND WE SHOULD TRY TO CORRECT SOME OF THAT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET TO WHERE EVERY, WHERE THEY MIGHT WANNA BE TODAY. BUT THAT'S A COMMON THEME IN BUDGET HEARINGS. IT WILL BE A CONSISTENT THEME THROUGHOUT OUR, ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS. AND, AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANNA BRING UP A PROPOSAL, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM ON ELECTED OFFICIAL PAY. UM, THERE, THERE, THERE IS. WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO SEND FORMAL LETTERS TO EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL NOTIFYING THEM OF THEIR PAY. THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILE A GRIEVANCE. AT SOME POINT TODAY, WE ARE GONNA NEED A PROPOSAL. WELL, THAT'S MY ONLY POINT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NOW. NO, THAT'S FINE. AND THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A PROPOSAL AT THIS POINT IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MAKE A PROPOSAL, BUT BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE CHANCE TO TALK, I'M MORE THAN READY TO MAKE A PROPOSAL IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT YET. BUT I THOUGHT SOME OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE INPUT. I JUST HAVE A, UM, I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME, UM, DATA YOU HAVE. UM, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, THE, THE ONE THING I'M WONDERING ON WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE, IN SOME OF THESE COUNTIES, WHICH ARE, UM, MAYBE NOT AS FAST GROWING AS ROCKWELL COUNTY, OF COURSE THERE'S, THERE'S KAUFMAN COUNTY IN THERE WHO I GUESS THEY HAVE SURPASSED US IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO IN CERTAIN STUDIES. BUT I, I'M ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF DEPUTY CONSTABLES THAT ARE IN SOME OF THESE, IN THESE, SOME OF THESE LARGER COUNTIES TOO, THAT, THAT HELPS KIND OF TAKE THE LOAD OFF THE, THE, THE CONSTABLES AS WELL. BUT I, I AM, I AM ALSO PREPARED AT SOME POINT IF SOMEONE ELSE DOESN'T, TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE, THE DATA WE RECEIVED, AND THANK YOU, UM, MR. PEAK FOR PROVIDING ME WITH THIS TENURE DATA THAT I'VE SHARED WITH EVERYONE ON THE COURT TODAY, BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW THE, UM, I THINK IT SHOWS WHAT COMMISSIONER KALANA HAS PRESENTED. I THINK SOME OF IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, COVID D BUT I THINK A LOT OF IT IS AS, UM, AS CONSTABLE, UM, PARK SAID, I GUESS HE'S LEFT, BUT THAT, UM, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, THE BIG RAISE THAT THE COMMISSION, OH, THERE HE IS. YEAH, HE'S STILL HERE. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE YOU BACK THERE, RANDY , HE'S HIDING NOW. UM, WELL, I HAVE MY GLASSES ON AND I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR WHEN I HAVE 'EM ON. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, MY READING GLASSES. BUT ANYWAY, I, I AM ALSO OF AGREEMENT THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERPAID. AND, UM, AND SO I KNOW WE'LL TAKE THAT UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE SEVERAL OF THE COUNTIES IN THIS LIST. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER, LICK DE, UM, WHERE, LEMME SHOW IT TO YOU. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE IN THAT LIST. LIKE, YOU KNOW, KAUFMAN, COLLIN, I MEAN, WHERE OUR REAL COMPETITIVE SET IS? WELL, KAUFMAN. 'CAUSE WE GOT BOWIE IN THERE AT 30,000 YEAH. WITHIN THIS AVERAGE MM-HMM . AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THAT APPLIES . WELL, FORT FORT BEND DOESN'T EITHER. [00:20:01] AND FORT BEND DOESN'T AT ONE 50. THAT'S RIGHT. SO, WELL THEN THEY HAVE DEPUTIES FOR SURE IN FORT BEND, UM, AND ABOUT, BUT I BELIEVE KAUFMAN DOES TOO, BUT KAUFMAN, I MEAN, THEY DO, KAUFMAN IS SHOWING 70,646 AND HUNT COUNTY, WHICH IS ALSO ON THIS LIST, IS SHOWING, UM, 75,641. OKAY. SO INTERESTING THING ABOUT KAUFMAN COUNTY. UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE CONSTABLES ARE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIRED BY THEM. THEY, THEY ARE. SO, SO THE MUDS FUND. YEAH. UM, AT LEAST SOME OF THEIRSELVES, SOME OF THEIRS. YEAH, THEY DO. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE, WE, WE CAN'T COMPLETELY, UM, COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THEIR ROLES AS, AS, UM, CONSTABLE PARKS HAS SAID ARE, IS THE SAME. AND THEY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES. AND ROCKWELL COUNTY IS GROWING A WHOLE LOT. AND THERE'S THE, SOME OF THEIR REPORTS THAT THEY SUBMIT TO US EACH MONTH REFLECT THAT. THAT'S ALL. UM, WELL, IF, UH, NO ONE ELSE IS WANTS TO DISCUSS THIS, I'M READY TO MAKE A PROPOSAL THEN. DO YOU WANT TO NO, YOU SAID YOU, I THOUGHT THE JUDGE SAID WE WERE GONNA WAIT UNTIL THAT ACTION ITEM, OR I THOUGHT WE WERE WAITING TILL, UM, WE GET TO, I GUESS I, I WANNA DO IT IN ORDER. WE, YEAH. WE WON'T BE, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE US ADOPTING AN ACTUAL BUDGET, UH, THIS EARLY ON. BUT CERTAINLY WE, WE CAN GET TO A POINT TO WHERE WE CAN ADD STUFF, TAKE STUFF OUT. OKAY. WHERE WE CAN COME BACK AND GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE APPROVING. OKAY. INTERESTING. UH, AND AGAIN, MY, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THIS WITH YOU GUYS PRIOR TO THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED PAGES OR WHATEVER OF HERE OF RIGHT. BUDGET NUMBERS 166. SO 166 TEASING. I THINK I STOPPED AT 139. I GOT INTO THE FUNDS AND IT WAS REALLY, I WAS FUZZY. THAT'S THE BEST PART. THE FUNDS, THAT'S THE BEST PART. IT IS. THAT'S WHERE WE HIDE. WELL, THAT'S WHERE MONEY CAN BE SPENT. THAT'S NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. NOTHING IS HIDDEN. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT. OKAY. BUT, BUT THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AS WE GO THROUGH THE DAY WHERE I WOULD THINK WE WOULD SAY, LET'S REACH A RESOLUTION ON THIS ITEM, UM, AND THEN ASK THE JUDGE TO INCLUDE IT THE NEXT ONE. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO SAY, LET'S PICK $95,000 FOR NEXT YEAR'S CONSTABLE'S SALARIES, AND WOULD WE GET A SENSE OF THE COURT OR WOULD WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON CHANGE? YEAH. SO WE'RE THE BUDGET TO THAT. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND, AND WE CAN, UH, GET A SECOND. WE'LL VOTE ON IT AND THEN THAT'LL MODIFY IT. YEP. OKAY. ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. UM, DEFINITELY THIS TOPIC PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS KIND OF TALK REALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY ABOUT, HEY, WHAT IF WE MOVE THIS? WHAT IF WE MOVE THAT WHICH GIVES THE AUDITORS TEAM AND THE TREASURER THE ABILITY TO MATH IT OUT? AND SO THEN WHEN WE COME BACK IN A WEEK OR SO, WE CAN SEE THE MATH OF EVERYTHING. SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I'M GONNA BE BRINGING UP THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON AS MUCH AS I WANNA SEE IT VETTED OUT. UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA SET THE TONE OF THIS ENTIRE MEETING IS GONNA BE PASSING RESOLUTIONS, ALTHOUGH I 100% AGREE THIS IS A TOPIC BEFORE US, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. I'M ALL ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION. I JUST, THIS IS A BRAND NEW COURT WITH TWO NEW MEMBERS. SO I HAVE IDEAS THAT I HAVEN'T FULLY MATHED OUT THAT I'M GONNA BE ASKING MELISSA AND THE AUDITOR TO SAY, HEY, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE WERE TO DO THIS? OR WHAT HAPPENS IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THIS SO WE COULD SEE THE MATH AND KIND OF GET A GOOD DIRECTION FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET? SO THIS IS, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS A UNIQUE ITEM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE BRINGING EVERYTHING UP TO A RESOLUTION. SOME OF THE STUFF I'M GONNA SAY, HEY, I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK IN THIS DIRECTION UNLESS SOMEONE SAYS, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. I DON'T MIND DISCUSSING ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY. UM, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST MERITS US KIND OF MASSING OUT AND LOOKING AT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA BE THE TONE SETTER, BUT I'M ALL FOR YOU MAKING A MOTION AND, AND I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADING. WELL, AND THE STATEMENT I WAS GONNA MAKE IS, UH, EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS WE MAKE, UH, HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE TAX RATE THAT WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON. SO, UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE'VE SET OUR TAX RATE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS A, NOT TO EXCEED AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO LOWER, BUT WE SET THE RATE AND THEN WE JUST THROW A WANT LIST AND HOW MUCH FOR THIS AND HOW MUCH FOR THAT, AND WHAT IF WE TAKE THIS OUT? 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, ONCE WE SET THE TAX RATE, NOW WE KNOW THE SIZE OF OUR PIE AND, AND NOW EVERYTHING WE'RE ADDING IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE. UM, DO [00:25:01] YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE , UM, , BUT I, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, GET TO EXPRESS, I THINK THE SENSE OF THE COURT IS THAT WE WANNA RAISE CONSTABLES AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BE TO, ON $96,000, INCLUDING THE 3% OR ELECTED OFFICIALS RAISE. SO, SO FOR NEXT YEAR, THEIR SALARY FOR THE CONSTABLES WOULD BE 96,000. GOT IT. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. CAN, CAN WE WORK ON, ON THAT? MY, MY GUESS IS THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND $40,000. BOBBY, I DIDN'T WANT TO, UM MM-HMM . TAKE A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL GOT THE FLOOR AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BUT WE WERE, IF YOU WANNA CRAFT THAT DIFFERENTLY, GO AHEAD. YEAH. I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA END UP AT 96. WE WILL, BUT WE'RE NOT, SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TODAY, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK INTO IT. AND I, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 IMPACT. UM, I THINK THAT'S WITH THE 3% RAISE THAT WE WERE ALREADY INCLUDING, WHICH IS ALREADY OH, YEAH. WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO OFFSET THAT. CORRECT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE FULL 40, UH, RIGHT. THE BUDGET IMPACT WOULD PROBABLY, SO I WAS, I'M LOOKING FOR A BUDGET IMPACT OF 40 ON THIS THOUGH, JUST, JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. SO I'M LOOKING A LITTLE HIGHER THAN 96 ON THIS. BUT, BUT THAT IT'S AN, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE BOAT, SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS WE GET THERE, WE SEE SOME MORE NUMBERS. AND I'M NOT TOO FAR OFF. I, I, I WAS LOOKING, I I, I WAS LOOKING AT 98,000. SO WHERE I'M AT TWO, 2000 MORE IS WHERE I WAS AT. WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT HIM AT 98. SO WE, WE'VE ADDRESSED HALF OF THE CONVERSATION THAT CONSTABLE BROUGHT TO US. YES. YES. UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE COURT'S FEELINGS ON WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE NEW CAR? UH, WHERE, AND AND I, THAT'S REALLY AN UNFAIR QUESTION. THE FLEET COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY TOLD US, UH, AND, AND I THINK WE FOLLOWED THE FLEET COMMITTEE'S ADVICE THIS YEAR, AND I EXPECT WE'LL DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. YEAH. I, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE, I, I THINK MY FEELINGS ON, DO WE NEED MORE STAFF AT THE, UH, FOR THE CONSTABLES IS ALREADY WELL KNOWN. I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING. IT'S DEBATABLE WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE A DEPUTY OR A CLERK, UH, TO HELP THEM. UM, AND I, AND, AND THE THING WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT BEFORE IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS, IS HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK FOR THAT CLERK AND HOW DO, WHO DO THEY REPORT TO AND HOW DOES IT, HOW, HOW DOES IT HELP THEM? OR THEY, WHAT THE JPS OR THE CONS, IT'S CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN AT LEAST TWO PRECINCTS, THE WORKLOAD IS THERE. UM, AND THAT'S TWO AND FOUR. OKAY. THE, THE, THE OTHER ONES, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN EVIDENCE, INCLUDING MY OWN PRECINCT, THAT THAT WORKLOAD IS THERE. UM, BUT TWO AND FOUR, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE WORKLOAD IS GROWING AND INCREASING IN, THEY'RE VERY BUSY. UM, SO I THINK JUST IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT SOME SOLUTION FOR THAT. UM, BUT I'M, UH, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTION. AND OF COURSE THE COURT COULD GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. UH, ONE, ONE DIRECTION, I, I DID GO, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF, IF I COMMUNICATED THIS AT ALL, UH, IS TO TRY TO PUT A CLERK IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND HAVE THEM ANSWERABLE TO THE COUNTY CLERK. 'CAUSE MY, MY FEAR WAS IF WE PUT ONE UNDER PRECINCT TWO OR PRECINCT FOUR, THEY WORKED FOR THAT PRECINCT AND, AND TO THE EXCLUSION OF EVERYBODY ELSE. SO MY THOUGHT WAS WE HAD TO PULL THEM COMPLETELY OFF THE THIRD FLOOR AND PUT THEM DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THEY ANSWER TO JENNIFER FOG, AND THEN THEY TAKE CARE OF THE FLOW OF PAPERWORK ALL INCOMING AND THEN SEND THAT BACK OUT TO THE CONSTABLES. UH, MY THOUGHTS WERE JUST TAKING THE PAPERWORK LOAD OFF OF THEM SHOULD, SHOULD HELP. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM IF YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AWAY AND, AND GET IT ORGANIZED FOR THEM. YEAH. WHERE IT'S EASY. SO, UH, JENNIFER CAME UP WITH A JOB DESCRIPTION FOR ME, AND, AND AFTER VISITING WITH HER, SHE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST INNING OF THE OF THE FIRST DRAFT. SO IT, IT, IT GOT PULLED OUT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. UH, BUT THERE, THERE, THERE, IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY. THAT WAY THEY DON'T WORK FOR ANY CONSTABLE. THEY WORK FOR ALL THE CONSTABLES. I, I, I JUST HAVE ONE THING THAT I MENTIONED TO THE JUDGE ON THAT ONE I, WHERE I THINK IT'S A BIT PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE YOUR COUNTY CLERK DO IT, IS BECAUSE SHE DEPUTIZES THESE PEOPLE AND SHE'S NOT THE CLERK OF THE CONSTABLE'S COURTS. SO I, I WOULD JUST, IT WOULD PRO PROBABLY BE OKAY. I MEAN, I'M SURE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL DEEM TO, TO MAKE A MOTION ON WILL BE OKAY, BUT I WOULD JUST THINK THAT MIGHT NEED A LITTLE LEGAL RESEARCH WHETHER [00:30:01] SHE CAN, SHE CAN STATUTORILY DO THAT AND HAVE NOT BE THE CLERK OF THEIR COURT. W WOULD YOU ASK CRAIG MM-HMM . THAT, THAT QUESTION YEAH, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR HIM. AND JUDGE, I, I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE I THINK, ONE, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD WHEN THE CONSTABLES CAME AND MADE THEIR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS WAS THAT THEY NEEDED WORK HELP WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS. AND IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE IN MY OPINION, UM, TO GIVE A DEPUTY TO ONE CONSTABLE WITHOUT GIVING A DEPUTY TO OTHER CONSTABLES. AND IT'S A CHALLENGE. AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH OTHER PEOPLE, I WON'T GO INTO ANY NAMES, BUT REGARDING HOW YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE WORK LEVEL IS IN EACH PRECINCT, WHICH JUST MAKES IT KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO THIS. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA YOU HAD JUDGE OF TRYING TO HAVE ONE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON WHO FUNCTIONS ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY TO TAKE SOME OF THE ADMIN BURDEN OFF THE CONSTABLES THEMSELVES AND LET THEM BE OUT IN THE FIELD DOING THEIR WORK. I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, JUST FOR ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, CONSTABLE PARKS MENTIONED, UM, AS THE SALARY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT COME FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, THE PART-TIME DEPUTY COMING OUT OF FUND 51. AND, UM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO EXPLORE THAT, THAT THAT TOPIC. AND I, I, I'M GONNA YEAH. LET, LET'S EXPLORE THE TOPIC, UH, PLEASE. AND, AND I'M GONNA GIVE A WARNING TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THE, THE COURT DETERMINES WHERE THE FUNDS COME FROM. UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A FUND SITTING THERE, DO DON'T, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT IT'S FREE FOR THE TAKING. SO I I I WOULD JUST CAUTION EVERYBODY, LET, LET US FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE MOVING FUNDS. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF, 'CAUSE I, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY DIRECT US, YOU KNOW, OR SUGGEST THAT WELL, IT'S, IT'S MONEY SITTING THERE AND IT, IT'S JUST A, A KNEE JERK REACTION OF IT'S FREE MONEY. NO, I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS FREE MONEY. OUR, IT'S OUR CITIZENS' MONEY . YES, MA'AM. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY. AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING CONS. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF WE WANTED TO SQUIRREL, WE COULD GO TO FUND 51. 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THAT. OR WE CAN STAY ON THE CONSTABLE TOPIC. I JUST DIDN'T STAND CONSTABLES. COOL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, AND I MENTIONED THIS WHEN WE HAD OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION, AND IT'S NOT BIG DOLLARS, BUT IT'S STRIKING TO ME THE DIFFERENCE IN GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE BETWEEN PRECINCT FOUR AND EVERY OTHER PRECINCT. UM, AND, UH, PRECINCT FOUR ASKS FOR, OR IN THE BUDGET IT'S $6,980, UM, FOR GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE. AND I THINK THE HIGHEST OTHER ONE IS PRECINCT THREE, WHICH IS 4,000. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ALL REASONABLE. I FACE THAT HE'S GONNA BRING IN RECEIPTS AND GET THE WORK DONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT, UH, I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I, TO ME AGAIN, IT'S MAKES SENSE THAT WE SOMEHOW KIND OF STANDARDIZE THESE, THIS NUMBER AMONGST THE CONSTABLES IF WE CAN, RATHER THAN JUST LET EVERYBODY COME IN AND ASK FOR WHAT THEY WANT. AND I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, UH, IT'S DIFFERENT FOR SOME OF THEM ONLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF WORKLOAD DIFFERENCES. SO, AND, AND DRIVING AREA DIFFERENCES. SO FOUR IS GONNA HAVE A MUCH WIDER DRIVING RADIUS. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTABLE CHENEY AND TWO IS GONNA HAVE, UM, MORE EXPENSE BECAUSE HE IS BUSIER MAKING WAY, MAKING A LOT MORE TRIPS THAN ONE AND THREE. AND I, I REALIZE THREE'S GOT A BIG AREA TOO, BUT THE SERVICE AREA AND THREE AND THE FREQUENCY IS PRETTY LOW. AND SO ONE A LOT GOOD PEOPLE IN PRECINCT THREE. THERE ARE APPARENTLY, YEAH. AND IN PRECINCT ONE, TWO, APPARENTLY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT AS BUSY. ALL LET'S NOT GO THERE AND I DON'T DUNNO WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. I'LL BACK OFF MY COMMENT. IT'S NOT BIG DOLLARS, BUT I DO, I DO, I'M GLAD YOU PUT YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT, 'CAUSE I HAD LOOKED AT, UM, CONSTABLE TOO, UM, WHICH IS MY PRECINCT AND SO FAR IN THE GAS OIL AND MAINTENANCE YEAR TO DATE, HE, HE HAS 4,000 FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX TWENTY EIGHT AND HE'S ONLY WANTING TO PUT 3000 IN THERE FOR THE 2026 BUDGET. AND I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S EVEN SOME MORE APARTMENTS IN PRECINCT THAT'LL BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. YEAH. SO THAT, UM, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT. IF WE COULD, COULD STANDARDIZE IT, IT'D BE NICE. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER GALANA, YOU'RE THE FLEET COMMITTEE. GUY PRECINCT TWO REQUESTED A RADIO LAST TIME WHEN THEY CAME UP AND MADE THEIR PRESENTATION AND SO DID PRECINCT ONE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WERE ATTRIBUTABLE TO NEW PEOPLE, ARE [00:35:01] WE, AND THOSE WEREN'T INCLUDED. DO WE NEED THOSE? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT TWO TWOS WAS FOR A NEW PERSON, WAS IT? NO, BUT WAS IT TO REPLACE, WAS IT TO, THERE'S NOT A RADIO IN ONE OF THE CARS. I DON'T REMEMBER. IIII BELIEVE THAT SPARE CAR CAR DOESN'T HAVE A SPARE CAR, DOESN'T HAVE A RADIO IN IT. YEAH, BECAUSE THE CONSTABLES HAVE FIVE CARS. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A SPARE CAR AND THAT CAR IS TECHNICALLY UNDER PRECINCT TWO. YEAH, RIGHT NOW. YEAH. WELL IF WE, I MEAN, FOR A POLICE CAR, WOULDN'T YOU NEED A RADIO? YEAH, YOU DO. I MEAN, BUT BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY HAVE A RADIO ON THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A, IN A BAD SITUATION, UM, THAT COULD BE LOST OR SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN TO THAT RADIO ON THEIR SIDE AND THEY NEED THE RADIO IN THE VEHICLE FOR SAFETY. I SUGGEST THEN THAT WE CONSIDER PUTTING A RADIO IN THAT CAR. I THINK I NEED TO FI I NEED TO REMEMBER WHAT PRECINCT ONE WAS REQUESTING A RADIO. SO LET FIND OUT. I DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY. YEAH, THEY BOTH REQUESTED IT AND NEITHER ONE WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. I, AND I THINK PRECINCT TWO IS $5,800, SO, ALRIGHT, GOOD. COME SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, RANDY. SORRY. YEAH. REFRESH OUR MEMORY. I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T SAY STAND . I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'LL BE LATER. HEY, SO I, ONE THING I FORGOT TO TELL YOU, BUT THE PART-TIME DEPUTY, WHEN WE'RE THROUGH DOING THE STUFF IN PRECINCT FOUR, YOU GIVE ME THE DEPUTY, WE'RE GONNA GO HELP ALL THEM OTHER CONSTABLES. THIS DEPUTY WILL, HE JUST WON'T BE FOR ME. HE'S GONNA HELP EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, CONSTABLES AND THEIR WORKLOAD. OKAY. FOR THE, FOR THAT 27 AN HOURS A WEEK IS WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE SO YOU'D KNOW ABOUT THAT DEPUTY, IT'S JUST, WE'RE GONNA HELP OTHERS. THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THERE ON THAT FLOOR. AND, UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN. ALL RIGHT. THAT DIDN'T HELP US WITH THE RADIOS AT ALL. THANK YOU. YEAH. , I, WE DON'T SHOW IN CONSTABLE ONE THAT HE REQUESTED A RADIO. IS THAT FROM LAST YEAR? YOU'RE DISCUSSING OR I MIGHT HAVE A BAD NOTE. I KNOW CONSTABLE TWO DID. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T, SO FORGET MY COMMENT. IT MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE BE A BAD NOTE. I TRIED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS IF THERE'S A LOT OF WORK HERE. YES. AND, UH, SO IF I MADE A BAD NOTE, I WITHDRAW IT, BUT I KNOW CONSTABLE TWO DID. YEAH. FOR THE RESERVE VEHICLE. THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME THERE, LISA. APPRECIATE IT. WELL, IT, IT WOULD BE IN, IN THE BACK IN THESE CAPITAL PAGES. IF IT WAS A REQUEST, IT WOULD JUST SAY NO IF IT WASN'T BUDGETED, BUT OKAY. WE'RE CHECKING OUR NOTES RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FURTHER DISCUSS THAT. UH, I THINK THE LAST THING WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED MAYBE IS THE DEPUTY IN DETAIL, THE PART-TIME DEPUTY. I MEAN, THE HOURS ARE NEGOTIABLE TOO. JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 27, DO WE NEED 27? CAN WE GET AWAY WITH LESS? WE CAN JUST, OR, OR, OR IF WE DO OUR CLERK OR IF WE DO A CLERK, DO DO ALL IF WE TAKE THE PAPERWORK, DO WE NEED AND WHERE CAN WE, WHERE CAN WE PAY THIS PERSON OUT OF? WE HAVE LOTS OF OPTIONS AGAIN. AND, AND YOU MAY ADDRESS THAT. UH, AND, AND, AND THE SECOND THING IS, IS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A PART-TIME DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED A CAR BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A POOLED CAR THAT, THAT PART-TIME DEPUTY COULD DRIVE. CORRECT. AND REMEMBER THAT WE ARE GONNA BE CYCLING SOME CARS OUT OF, UM, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TOO. AND, AND, UH, CAPTAIN BROWN CAN PROBABLY WORK WITH US, I'M SURE. AND IF WE NEEDED ANOTHER VEHICLE FOR THEM, WE COULD GET ONE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO MARKET AND BUY ONE. YEAH. SO I'M JUST SAYING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE ISSUES START TO SEPARATE. YEAH. AGREED. SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE SALARY REALLY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE, FOR THE CONSTABLES. YEAH. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE NEW TAHOE OKAY. FOR PRECINCT ANYMORE. NEITHER IS THE FLEET COMMITTEE. YEAH. I I JUST THINK IF WITH ALL THESE REQUESTS, I WOULD VIEW THAT AS THE LAST ONE. GOT IT. UH, UH, IN IMPORTANCE, UH, OF WHAT THEY'RE, OF WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING. WE CAN FIGURE OUT A VEHICLE. WE'VE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS I THINK THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT A VEHICLE, BUT, UM, HELPING THEM STAFF WISE IS IMPORTANT. UH, NUMBER TWO, PROBABLY IN IMPORTANCE, NUMBER ONE IS GETTING THEIR PAY CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD RANK IT TOO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? FIRE AWAY. JOHN. STACY, YOU'VE BEEN VERY POLITE. ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, I'M GONNA SUCK THE OXYGEN OUTTA THE ROOM FOR A LITTLE BIT THEN I'LL SHUT UP. UM, ON THE INTEREST REVENUE, UM, I, I ALWAYS, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK THE TREASURER A, A, A, A QUESTION. I'M GLAD HE'S HERE. WE'RE STARTING TO SPEND THIS ARPA MONEY. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE [00:40:01] THAT WE'RE NOT OVERSHOOTING ANY, ANYTHING ON THE REVENUE SIDE. UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN HIT THE 2 MILLION OR THE 1.6 MILLION, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE'RE ABLE TO JUST KEEP HITTING THIS YEAR IN AND YEAR IN AND, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO BE OUT OF ARPA FUNDS, WHICH I KNOW WAS GENERATING INTEREST, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT INTEREST WAS GOING INTO THIS INTEREST LINE. I THINK THAT INTEREST IS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I JUST, I'M JUST, I I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING ON WHEN WE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE, WHERE ARE YOU AT? SO I THINK IT'S ON PAGE THREE. IT MIGHT NOT BE, UH, PAGE TWO. PAGE TWO. IT'S, IT HAS, UH, IT'S GOING FROM 1.6 MILLION FROM LAST YEAR TO 2 MILLION. UM, ON, ON THE REVENUE SIDE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REAL, IT'S A REALLY NICE BONUS AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO NOT NECESSARILY THAT TO, TO GET A LITTLE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE COULD TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT RATHER THAN COME UP SHORT. ON THE REVENUE SIDE, IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 2 MILLION, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH 2 MILLION. IT'S NOT MY CUP OF TEA, IT'S NOT MY THING. I'M JUST BRINGING OUT THAT WE'RE INCREASING THE INTEREST, UM, UH, PAYMENTS. NOW, IF YOU LOOK, ACTUALLY, I MEAN WE'RE HITTING TWO AND A HALF MILLION AND , I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HIT THAT AGAIN. UM, SO I MEAN WE ARE HITTING THIS NUMBER, BUT IT JUST KIND OF GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE ON, ON THE INCREASE RATHER THAN JUST KEEPING IT AT AT 1.6. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE'RE GOOD THERE AND, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO, TO HONE IN ON THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS ON THE SAME PAGE, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT WHERE WE SIT. THAT'S THE TREASURER RESPONSIBILITY. HE'S BEEN HITTING OUTTA THE PARK THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE WITH, WITH HIS INVESTMENTS IN REGARDS TO, WE GET A RESPONSE FROM THE TREASURER ON THAT SINCE HE'S HERE. IS HE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER? YES. SO THIS YEAR WE'VE GENERATED RIGHT AT 1.4 MILLION ALREADY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STACY? YES. ON THE, UM, INTEREST EARNINGS, I DIDN'T HAVE A COPY OF THE BUDGET, BUT, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND INTEREST EARNINGS REVENUE ESTIMATE, UH, GENERALLY WHEN I GIVE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE AUDITOR, I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE IN YEARS PAST, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE BEEN A, IN A RISING INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT FOR MANY YEARS, WE WE'RE EARNING VERY, VERY LITTLE INTEREST ON OUR INVESTMENTS. WE ARE, WE'RE LIMITED BY THE PUBLIC FUNDS INVESTMENT ACT AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE. A LOT OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE PRIMARILY IN THE GENERAL FUND AND SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS, I'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE EARNING, WE, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE EARNING 4.5%. 5% AND IT GETS VERY TRICKY, UM, TO, TO ESTIMATE THOSE WITH A DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE. UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ESTIMATING OUR MEDICAL CLAIMS EXPENSES WHERE YOU, YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMY'S GONNA DO. WE HAD, UM, CHALLENGES DURING COVID WHEN THE ECONOMY WAS TANKING, INTEREST RATES WERE GOING CRAZY. ALL THAT TO SAY, I'M CONFIDENT WITH THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THERE AND, AND THOSE ARE CONSERVATIVE AND FOR SURE SOME OF OUR FUNDS, LIKE THE ARPA FUNDS ARE DRAWING DOWN SOME, UH, OTHER FUNDS AT TIMES, LIKE THE ROAD BOND FUNDS WILL DRAW DOWN. AND SO TIMING THAT AND GIVING YOU A GOOD INTEREST ESTIMATE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR IS A CHALLENGE. BUT THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE GOT IN THERE THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO THE AUDITOR, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. OKAY. PERFECT. YEP. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. SO JOHN, JUST SPEAKING OF THE ARPA THOUGH, I, I JUST, UM, AS FAR AS SUN BALANCE 48, DID YOU FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE NUMBER, THE TRIAL BALANCE THAT WE HAD ON PAGE 1 29? IT'S 7.96. OH YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. IF IT'S SEVEN POINT, IF, IF IT'S 7.9, THAT NUMBER IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD. I HAD HIGHLIGHTED THAT TO, I, I GOT THAT, I GOT THAT NUMBER FROM THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE YESTERDAY WHEN SHE, UH, SENT SOMETHING TO NICO. RIGHT. THAT 7.9 NUMBER IS CORRECT. AND THAT, AND THAT IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THE ANNEX, WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY PAID ALL THE BILLS, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY LAST TIME. I, I, I'M SEEING A NUMBER ON THE ANNEX OF ABOUT 150,000, UM, THAT THAT WOULD, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME OUT OF THE ANNEX. OKAY. THAT, THAT, BUT THAT IS SUCH A, I MEAN, I WON'T SAY MADE UP NUMBER MM-HMM . BUT, BUT THAT'S A NUMBER THAT, THAT, THAT I CAN'T DEFEND. OKAY. UM, I THINK IT HAS ABOUT ONE 90 IN IT NOW, MAYBE 180. OKAY. UM, AND I JUST COULD SEE US SPENDING ANOTHER [00:45:01] 10 TO 15,000 JUST TRYING TO GET SOME FURNITURE AND SOME OTHER THINGS CORRECT. BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE PULL OUT. SO WE WERE HOPING TO HIT THAT AROUND 200,000 AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO 150 50. OKAY. SO JUST 'CAUSE IT HAS 7.9, UM, THAT SOME OF THAT'S GONNA BE IN, IN THE ANNEX. SOME OF THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO BE SPENT. BUT IT, I I I FEEL THAT BY THE TIME WE HIT DECEMBER, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE ALMOST NO ARPA MONEY LEFT. RIGHT. UM, WELL, AND BECAUSE THIS IS THROUGH JULY, THIS NUMBER IS THROUGH JULY 31ST. AND I I KNEW THAT WE HAD SOME OF THOSE OTHER EXPENSES. YEAH, YOU JUST, THAT YOU JUST CALLED. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE STILL VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OH YEAH. OKAY. WELL LET, LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING FROM MY OWN BENEFIT BEING NEW ON THE COURT. SO THE INTEREST LINE ITEM ON PAGE TWO THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO A MINUTE AGO, COMMISSIONER MM-HMM . OF $2 MILLION. IS THAT INTEREST FROM ALL OF THE FUNDS OR JUST FROM THE GENERAL FUND? WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE HIM ANSWER THE QUESTION 'CAUSE THE TREASURER IS OUR, UH, FINANCE OFFICER. HE'S OUR FINANCE OFFICER. IT'S LIKE I COULD ANSWER IT, BUT HE MIGHT HAVE TO CORRECT ME. SO WE'RE GONNA LET HIM ANSWER. THANKS COMMISSIONER LICHTY. GREAT QUESTION. UM, FOR THE GENERAL FUND, I BELIEVE THE LINE YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE, IF IT'S GOT 0 0 1 AND IT'S AN INTEREST EARNINGS LINE THAT IS JUST INTEREST EARNING THE ACCRUES FROM GENERAL FUND INVESTMENTS THAT ACCRUE BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. THERE ARE OTHER FUNDS THAT WE INVEST IN THE ROAD. BONDS ARE A BIG ONE. AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS AND GENERALLY THE INTEREST EARNING ON THOSE FUNDS ACCRUE TO THE FUND. THAT WAS THE PRINCIPLE OF THAT. MM-HMM . INVESTMENT. OKAY. WELL, I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I'M LEARNING A LOT, SO, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF, AND I GO BACK TO THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER STACY ASKED A MINUTE AGO, WE'VE GOT LINE ITEM 0 0 1 3 6 0 100 ON PAGE TWO OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT 2 MILLION. IF THAT'S JUST GENERAL FUND INTEREST, OUR GENERAL FUND IS 41 MILLION 947, 7 87. LET ME TELL YOU, I WANT YOU TO START INVESTING MY MONEY IF YOU'RE GETTING 5% TODAY IN TODAY'S MARKET. 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS HIGH. AND I, AND, AND I THINK MAY, MAYBE THIS IS THE REASON COMMISSIONER STACY RAISED THE QUESTION IS THAT SEEMS LIKE A HIGH RETURN TODAY. UH, FOR SURE NOT, NOT ALL THE INVESTMENTS ARE 5%, BUT SOME OF THOSE I CAN LOCK IN YEP. UM, UP TO FIVE YEARS. AND SO ONCE THEY'RE LOCKED IN, SOME OF THEM ARE CALLABLE INVESTMENTS, SOME OF THEIR, THOSE RUN TO THE FULL TERM. UM, SO WE, WE COULD SIT DOWN AND I COULD SHOW YOU SOME OF THE INVESTMENT STRATEGY. AGAIN, I, I, YOU LOOK, I HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN YOU AS OUR TREASURER NO. AND THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, SO I DON'T QUESTION IT. IT DOES SEEM THOUGH THAT $2 MILLION OF INTEREST ON $41 MILLION OF PRINCIPLE IS A REALLY GOOD RETURN. AND KUDOS TO YOU FOR GETTING THOSE. WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AGAIN, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE LADDERED SOME OF THOSE INVESTMENTS OUT, LOCKED IN SOME OF THOSE FOR LONG TERM. UH, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I'VE LOCKED IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO ARE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD MONDAY, MONDAY MORNING, QUARTERBACK DON'T LOOK THAT GREAT, BUT THEY, THEN AGAIN, THEY MAY HAVE LOOKED GREAT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. RIGHT. AND THEN THE CURRENT STUFF, AGAIN, AS THE MARKET FLUCTUATES AND THE INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT CHANGES, IT MAY NOT BE AS GREAT AS SOME OF THE ONES THAT I'VE GOT LOCKED IN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS THAT I DO. AND, UM, HAPPY TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THAT SO. YEP. ALL RIGHT. UM, ON PAGE THREE, UH, THERE'S A LINE ITEM, UM, 402 0 3, WHICH IS T-C-D-R-S RETIREMENT FOR $3,000. UM, I JUST, THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN IN THE BUDGET AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY PAID SOME MONEY, UM, IN FY 25 TO THAT. UM, AND, AND I JUST WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS. I'M, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T OWE IT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS MY THIRD BUDGET AND I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN THAT BEING BUDGETED. IS THAT THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR THE 200? NO, IT'S, NO, IT'S $3,000. IT SAYS T-C-D-R-S RETIREMENT $3,000. AND THEN IT SHOWS THAT WE SPENT 2016 ON IT IN 25, 457 AND 24, 4 95 AND 23 AND ZERO AND 2022. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE'RE CHECKING. YEAH, NO, YOU'RE FINE. PROBABLY SOME FEE PAYMENT. UH, I I MAYBE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL, UH, BUT WE'RE CHECKING, HANG ON. NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. IT'S JUST, IT JUST KIND OF LIKE SHOWED UP. IT'S, IT'S [00:50:01] LIKE TRICKLED IN AT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE HAVING TO BUDGET THREE GRAND FOR IT. I KNOW IT'S SMALL POTATOES, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF WHY WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY OR, OR WHAT IT EVEN IS. DOES CAMIE HAVE AN ANSWER? NOT REALLY. . AND THAT'S THE BAD PART ABOUT THE BUDGET, RIGHT? YOU GET FIVE PEOPLE OR FOUR OTHER PEOPLE GOING LINE BY LINE BY LINE GOING, WHAT IS THIS? AND WHAT IS THAT? FIVE DIFFERENT EYES. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD THING. NO, IT IS. IT IS A GREAT THING. IT'S A GOOD THING. . OH, OKAY. . WHAT I WAS KIND OF JOKING WHEN I SAID I'D SUCKS OXYGEN OUTTA THE ROOM, BUT I HAVE SUCCEEDED , UM MM-HMM . AND THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME TODAY. SO , LET, LET'S, LET'S KEEP ON MOVING WHILE WE WAIT ON THAT ANSWER. WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HOLDING FOR . 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER LINE ITEM QUESTION, UM, THAT'S ON THE SAME PAGE. ARE ARE THEY CONTINGENT UPON HAVING THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE? NO. NO. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ANSWERING IT. SO I WOULD BE ANSWERING A QUESTION. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SCRAMBLING ALREADY, THE CHECKS ARE BEING MADE OUT TO TEXAS COUNTY AND DISTRICT RETIREMENT AND THEY'RE SMALL AMOUNTS OF $50. SO IT, IT MUST BE SOME SERVICE FEE. TEXAS ASSOCIATION, TEXAS. NO, IT JUST SAYS TEXAS COUNTY AND DISTRICT RETIREMENT. WHAT THAT SO YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE A, WELL, WE STILL NEED TO GET THE ANSWER, BUT IT SOUND LIKE A AND AND WE CAN MOVE PAST IT. I MEAN IT'S, IT, I, I'VE JUST, LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN IN A BUDGET AND, UM, AND IT'S GONE FROM $500 TO 2000, SO IT MAKES SENSE TO BUDGET THREE GRAND. UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T, IT'S JUST, I, I'M JUST REALLY, REALLY CURIOUS OF WHAT IT IS. SO WE, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. THAT IS, YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE BACKUP SCAN, SO SHE'S GONNA PULL IT UP AND SEE WHAT, WHAT IT IS. BUT YOU'VE STUMPED THE AUDITOR. . THIS COULD BE A GAME FOR THE REST OF THE BUDGET CYCLE. . SO HOLD ON. I'M JUST GONNA PUT THAT IN MY NOTES FOR A FOLLOW UP AND THAT'LL BE FINE. YOU NEED TO PUT A WIN NEXT TO YOUR NAME, . NO, IT'S NOT THE GAME. IT'S NOT THE GAME I'M TRYING TO PLAY TODAY. . ALL RIGHT. SO THEN, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, LINE ITEM 4 66 PAGE, UH, IS STILL ON THE SAME PAGE. UH, PAGE THREE, THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. UM, IS THAT ALL INVISIO OR ARE THERE OTHER SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT ARE IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT? I THINK THAT'S INVISIO. OKAY. I DIDN'T BRING IN VIO, BUT I DON'T, I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING FOR 40. WE DID PAY 16,000. THAT IS CORRECT. WE DID. UM, BUT I DIDN'T RECALL THAT THE ANNUAL WOULD BE 40,000. I KNOW YOU JUST SENT, I JUST RECEIVED THAT. UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE WITH ME. UH, I, I REMEMBER THE ANNUAL BEING 40,000. OKAY. SO SOMEWHERE IN THE 40,000. OKAY. I HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION. OKAY. SO THE $3,000 IS RELATED TO THE EMPLOYEE REFERRAL PROGRAM BECAUSE THOSE WAGES ARE SUBJECT TO RETIREMENT. SO THE $500 A REFERRAL THAT THEY GET FOR THE JAIL, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO, UM, RETIREMENT. DO YOU PAY RISK FOR THOSE? OH, SO WHEN WE REFER, WHEN WE DO THE REFERRAL WE PAY OUT IS CALLED PART OF THEIR SALARY. SO IT BUMPS UP AND IT PAY. THAT IS OKAY. UH, THAT, THAT IS FINE. WE WILL KEEP IT THERE. 'CAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP STAFFING OUR JAIL. AND THAT REFERRAL PROGRAM, UH, APPARENTLY IS WORKING, UM, BECAUSE IT WASN'T WORKING IN THE PAST AND NOW IT IS. SO THAT'S GREAT. TWO, TWO GRAND SO FAR THIS YEAR. YEAH. SO NO, NO, THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS ALL GOOD THINGS. [00:55:01] SO NOW MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE A QUE ANSWER TO THE SECOND QUESTION I ASKED ? I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT REFERRAL PROGRAM CAMMIE IF I COULD BECAUSE SURE THEY GET PAID, BUT WHAT IF THE PERSON THEY REFER ONLY STAYS FOR 90 DAYS? THAT'S WHEN THEY GET THE REFERRAL REWARD. I BELIEVE I'LL, OKAY. OKAY. THEY HAVE TO STAY WITH SO LONG. I GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING. THANK YOU . OKAY. UH, I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT LISA MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER WHILE WE'RE, WE'RE SCRAMBLING. UM, A LITTLE BIT. MY QUESTION IS, WHO HAS ACCESS TO TRAVEL AND TRAINING IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT? I HAVE, WE HAVE BUDGETED IT IN THE PAST AND NOT SPENT IT. SO WHO IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE DOING TRAVEL AND TRAINING? YOU COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT ONE OUT. I THINK THAT ONE WAS PUT IN YEARS AGO WHEN YOU, WHEN THE COURT WOULD SEND SOMEBODY TO LEADERSHIP ROCK, ROCK WALL LEADERSHIP CLASS OR, OR IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COURT WOULD DESIGNATE, UH, TO, TO SEND SOMEONE. YOU, YOU DO, UM, ALSO, UH, SEND SOME OF THE, UH, WORKFORCE WORKFORCE. WORKFORCE. THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD. CHILD WELFARE BOARD. WE SENT TWO PEOPLE THIS YEAR TO A CONFERENCE TRAINING. SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE BUT IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET? NO, BECAUSE THERE WAS MONEY IN, IN THE LINE, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT ONE OUT AND, AND OFFSET IT WITH CONTINGENCY IF SOMETHING CAME UP. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY BRAIN WENT IS OKAY. WELL WOULD THAT JUST A MINUTE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE LIKE COMMISSIONER M**K IN THE CUC AND TRAVELS FOR THAT? WOULD THAT BE IN THIS? NO, SHE WOULD HAVE HER OWN. I INCLUDED IT IN MY TRAVEL AND TRAINING. I DID. YEAH. YEAH. THIS ISN'T GENERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S NOT IN A, UH, AN INDIVIDUALIZED BUDGET. OKAY. OKAY. UM, ON THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, INVISIO IS PART OF IT. AND THEN DEBT BOOK, WHICH IS A, SOMETHING THAT THE, UH, I HAVE TO REPORT IN OUR, YOUR ANNUAL AUDIT. UH, IT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CALCULATES THOSE NUMBERS FOR US. AND IT'S A SOFTWARE THAT, AND WHAT'S THE BREAKOUT BETWEEN THOSE TWO? SO 16,000 FOR DEBT BOOK AND 24 5 FOR INVISIO. SO THAT'S THE 40,500. OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE IF I HAVE ANY. OKAY, SO ON PAGE 92. WOW. HOW DID WE MAKE IT? NO, YOU DIDN'T. OKAY. UM, . YEAH, SO THIS IS THE TYLER SOFTWARE. SO I HAVE A LI I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THERE IS FUND BALANCE, WHICH YOU'RE TRANSFERRING OVER AND IT ALSO SHOWS A CONTINGENCY OF $204,000. UM, I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANY OF THE EXPENSES. I KNOW HOW MUCH TYLER COSTS AND I DON'T NEED FRANK RINGING BELLS THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW MAD WE ARE AT TYLER . MY ONLY QUESTION IS I'M GOOD. WE'RE MOVING $220,000 OF FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THEN WE HAVE $204,000 OF CONTINGENCY IN THE, IN THE ACCOUNT. I'M JUST KIND OF QUESTIONING WHY WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH CONTINGENCY IN THE TYLER FUND. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAVE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF, OF WHY THAT IS THAT WAY. I WILL CHECK ON THAT. BUT MY INSTINCT, UH, FROM EXPERIENCE IS TELLING ME THAT IT'S PROBABLY TO DO WITH, UH, UH, THE YEAR CROSSOVER. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BUDGET IN BOTH PLACES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PAYMENT WILL BE DUE. SO. OKAY. UH, WE'LL CHECK ON THAT. AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PREFACED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE SPECIAL FUNDS ANYWAYS, IS THAT A LOT OF THAT BUDGET COULD ALTER RIGHT BEFORE YOU PASS IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRIAL BALANCES FOR, UH, FUND 48. UH, WE ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE PAYMENTS AND, UH, SO I HAD TO BUDGET IN 26 AND STILL CONSIDERING THAT IF I DON'T PAY IT IN 25, I'LL HAVE TO PAY IT IN 26. SO SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE [01:00:01] AS CLOSER WE GET TO DOING THE BUDGET. BUT I'LL CHECK ON THAT ONE COMMISSIONER AND ON THE TYLER ONE SPECIFICALLY AND, AND GET YOU AN ANSWER, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS, THAT IS MAYBE MONEY THAT, THAT YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED A BUDGET. AND THEN IT WOULD KIND OF GO TO MY POINT OF IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE CRUNCHING NUMBERS, IT COULD POTENTIALLY FREE UP SOME MONEY SO WE COULD REDUCE THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT UNLESS WE KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE REALLY, REALLY CONFIDENT IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TYLER FUND. RIGHT. SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY, I'M LOOKING AT A $950,000 GENERAL FUND TRANSFER. POTENTIALLY. WE COULD REDUCE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SPLIT HAIRS ON JUMPING INTO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, IT'S JUST FUNDING IT AT 200, LEAVING 200 IN, AND, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE FULL TRANSPARENCY IS MAYBE THAT'S AN A, A SPOT WE COULD POTENTIALLY CRUNCH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CUT THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THAT WOULD FREE UP MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS THAT THE COURT MIGHT DESIRE TO HAVE. IF, IF, BUT IF WE NEED THE CONTINGENCY AND WE NEED IT, WE JUST NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE CAN'T MAKE A TYLER PAYMENT. . LET'S DOUBLE CHECK THAT, THAT THE BUDGET IS GOOD. UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, IN REGARDS TO THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING THERE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A NEW ITEM THAT WE PUT IN TYLER. 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING MAYBE WE USED TO TAKE IT OUT OF EACH ONE OF THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS, UM, THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT 55,000 THAT, THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN. UM, WE HAVE A FANTASTIC LADY, UH, AT TYLER THAT IS, UM, GOING THROUGH AND HELPING US DO A BUNCH OF STUFF. SO WE PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET. THAT'S IN THE 25 BUDGET. IT'S NOT IN THE 26 BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY TRAINING. IT'S NOT TRAVEL. IT, IT, WE WE'RE PAYING A CSC CONTRACT, WHICH IS A TRAINING CONTRACT WITH TYLER, UM, TO HELP US BETTER, UH, BECOME MORE, LET'S JUST SAY, JUST BETTER USE THE SOFTWARE AND, AND HELP US WITH PROCESSES THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO FIX. SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING, WANTING IT TO BE INCLUDED IN FI 26 THEN? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO. OKAY. WHICH IS WHY I'M QUESTIONING, I'M, I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE FUND BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE SOME OF THAT CONTINGENCY IF WE DON'T NEED IT AND, AND KIND OF PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN TRAINING, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FIND IT IF WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES TO DO THAT. SO I'M JUST, I, I GUESS AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS OF WORKING WITH TYLER AND GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT BETTER. THERE MIGHT NOT BE, BUT, BUT I JUST WANNA, I'M JUST KIND OF QUESTIONING HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE FUNDING THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S A PLACE WE COULD GO. SO THAT WAY, NOT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE, UH, WE NEED SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GO INTO CONTINGENCY OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST TRY TO SET THAT PLAN, SET THAT FUND UP BETTER. UM, FOR THAT. UM, LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK. YEAH. WE GOT THE ANSWER ON THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT TRAVEL AND TRAINING AS WELL. THAT WAS, UH, YOUR HR DEPARTMENT GETS APPROVAL TO DO A CPR CLASS EVERY SEVERAL YEARS THAT STOP THE BLEED CLASS FOR $3,000. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T, ISN'T IT EVERY TWO YEARS YOU DO IT CAMMIE. SO IF YOU WANNA REDUCE THAT TO 3000, THAT LINE, BUT PROBABLY NOT TAKE ALL 6,000 OF IT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. . SO, UM, HERE'S THE NEXT THING THAT I WANT US TO, TO LOOK AT. I DON'T LIKE HAVING PERSONNEL IN FUND 51. MY, I THINK YOU SAID IT BEST, COMMISSIONER GOANA. I'M ONE PERSON. I WOULD LIKE THE FIRE MARSHAL TO BE MOVED INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UH, OKAY, HOLD ON. LET ME FIND ALL THESE PAGES. PAGE 1 29 75. UM, YEAH, SO FUND 51, WHAT PAGE IS FUND 51? CAN SOMEONE FIND IT LIKE 75? YEAH, I THINK IT'S AROUND THERE. SO IT'S 75 COMMISSION. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 75, YOU'LL SEE, UM, FUND 51, WHICH IS A PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX. UM, THAT IS THE FUND THAT IT, IT APPEARS THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO SPEND MONEY OUT OF, UM, . UH, IT IS, IT IS DEFINITELY COMPLETELY ABOVE BOARD TO HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL COME OUT OF FUND 51. SO I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT A A, A VALID USE OF SPENDING THE MONEY. MY WHOLE THING IS, IS THAT IF THIS COURT BELIEVES A FIRE MARSHAL IS IMPORTANT, LET'S [01:05:01] PUT IT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND LET'S FUND IT THAT WAY. IT'S JUST MY OPINION. UM, I AM ONE THAT THINKS THE FIRE MARSHAL IS IMPORTANT. UM, THE OVERALL, UM, NUMBER, UH, THE ROLL UP COST IS COMING IN AT 1 15, 5 12. WE HAVE A POSITION, UM, OF 95, 1 1 8, UH, THAT WE COULD REPLACE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. UM, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE, UH, AS HARD A HIT TO THE BUDGET. IT WOULD BE FAIRLY CLOSE, UM, TO BEING EQUAL TO BEING, TO BEING BUDGET NEUTRAL. UM, HAVING, I, I LIKE SPENDING MONEY IN THE SALES TAX, BUT BECAUSE IT IS SALES TAX AND WE DON'T CONTROL IT, I JUST WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING PERSONNEL UNDER THE, THE, THE GENERAL FUND AND, AND, AND IN A DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN OFF TO THE SIDE. IT'S JUST MY OWN OPINION. WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THIS WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, UM, FOR A DIFFERENT REASON, BUT THEY'RE RELATED. UH, THIS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL IT CAN BE USED FOR. WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT. UH, IT CAN BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IT CAN BE USED TO BUY EQUIPMENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IT CAN BE USED TO REMODEL THE LIBRARY. IT CAN BE USED FOR ROADS. IT CAN BE USED FOR ROADS. IT CAN BE USED FOR TOURISM. OKAY. SO IT, IT, IT, IT'S A PRETTY BROAD NET WITH A BUNCH OF HOLES IN IT. OKAY. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE POINT I WAS GETTING TO IS IT'S, IT'S CALLED A PUBLIC SAFETY SALES TAX. WE'VE GOT IT HERE. WE'VE GOT A CONTINGENCY IN HERE OF $789,488 ON LINE, UH, 4 95. UM, SO THAT MEANS CORRECT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY ALLOCATED GOING INTO THE YEAR. CORRECT. THE 7 89, BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING A, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, THEY'RE TAKING A MILLION DOLLARS OF FUND BALANCE AND TRANSFERRING IT INTO THE FUND. THAT IS, UH, OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T, SO THAT'S GETTING THAT FUND BALANCE AND THEN PUTTING IT INTO THE BUDGET. OKAY. SO OUR TOTAL REVENUE FROM THE SALES TAX IS ESTIMATED TO BE 750,000, RIGHT? WELL, THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS ON LINE ITEM THAT'S HUNDRED, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE FUND BALANCE AS OF JULY 31ST IS FOR THAT, UM, LINE ITEM IS MORE THAN THAT. SO THERE'S ABOUT 500 SOME ODD THOUSAND LEFT OVER IF YOU'RE ONLY GONNA TRANSFER 1 MILLION INTO IT. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THERE, THERE, THERE WOULD STILL BE 500,000 LEFT OVER. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'D BE, IT'S ABOUT 1.5 MILLION. IT IS ONE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO MY POINT WAS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTING OUT WHAT YOU DID THERE, COMMISSIONER STACY. MY POINT WAS, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT CONTINGENCY AND THE FUNDS NOT USED, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM PAYING THE FIRE MARSHAL OUTTA HERE. IT'S A NEW POSITION. IT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY THAT I'VE HEARD WHENEVER WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, IT'S KIND OF BEEN IN FAVOR OF THAT PERSON AND IT GIVES US SOME LEGAL RIGHTS WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM FUNDING A FIRE MARSHAL OUT OF THIS. BUT IS IS THE, IS YOUR QUESTION, UM, COMMISSIONER STACEY MAY BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE REPORTING STRUCTURE OF THAT? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. NO, I, I WAS JUST SAYING I'M NOT, I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF HAVING A PERSON IN THE SALES TAX PART OF IT. IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S A COMPLETE PERSONAL PREFERENCE. IT'S NOT EVEN, IT, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY GOOD USE OF THE MONEY. I WOULD JUST RATHER, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PERSON JUST PUT THE PERSON WHERE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE. YEAH, I, I, I'M KIND OF OF THE SAME OPINION. I MEAN, LISTEN, UH, THE MONEY IS THE MONEY. IT COSTS THE SAME WHATEVER, WHEREVER IT IS IN THE BUDGET. BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A FAN OF FUNDING PERSONNEL OUT OF FUNDS. I THINK THOSE ALL SHOULD BE FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL BUDGET, AND THEN WE CAN PAY FOR THINGS OUT OF FUNDS. I'M NOT A FAN OF, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR PERSONNEL OUTTA SB 22, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW. I DON'T LIKE THAT. I'D RATHER PAY FOR CARS OUT OF THAT EQUIPMENT'S THINGS BECAUSE THOSE FUNDS CAN BE REDUCED AT ANY POINT IN TIME, AND I DON'T WANT TO DEPEND ON FUNDS TO PAY FOR THINGS. SO I'M, I'M LIKE PERSONNEL. YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE. I'M, I'M AMBIVALENT, UH, UH, ABOUT IT. AMBIVALENCE. YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A WORD OF THE DAY THAT'S YOU CARE. MY, MY AFFIRMATIVE STANCE IS I'M AMBIVALENT. UM, BUT I, I WOULD ASK THAT IF WE MOVE IT OVER AND, AND WE'VE GOT THE MONEY AND WE'VE GOT AN OPEN POSITION, IF WE MOVE IT OVER AND FUND IT OUT OF GENERAL FUND, THEN LET'S TAKE THIS FUND 51. LET'S FIND SOME BUDGET THINGS IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE CAN APPLY THE FUNDS TO, TO, TO APPLY EVEN MORE DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON OUR TAX RATE. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, JUDGE. [01:10:01] CAN YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN WHY, UH, THAT WE DO WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY POINTED OUT A MINUTE AGO WHERE WE TRANSFER IN A MILLION DOLLARS AND HAVE A $789,000 CONTINGENCY? UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR? THAT'S, THAT WAS ME. UH, I, I, IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN A BUDGET, YOU CAN'T SPEND IT. SO IN THE PAST, I'VE BEEN QUESTIONED WHY DO WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY IN FUND 51 AND WHY AREN'T WE USING IT? SO I MADE THE DECISION, SORRY, JUDGE, BUT, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE SPECIAL FUNDS THAT I PUT THE MONEY IN THERE THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE IT. IF YOU WANNA LEAVE IT TO FUND BALANCE, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN IN, IN THE PAST THAT I'VE ONLY EVER BUDGETED ENOUGH TO GET YOU BUY. BUT YOU HAD A 765,000 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET YEAR IN FY 25 OF A PURCHASE FROM, FROM THE SHERIFF'S REMAINING FUNDS. AND IT COULD, AND THIS FUND COULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED FOR THAT. SO I WAS JUST GIVING YOU OPTIONS. OKAY. ONCE IT'S PUT INTO THIS FUND, 51, I GUESS THEN, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH MOVING IT OUT OF THERE LATER? I MEAN, PUTTING IT BACK, MOVING IT OUT WHERE, PUTTING IT BACK INTO GENERAL FUND OR INTO OUR, UH, KNEW OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE COULD BE BECAUSE THIS FUND COMES WITH CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. SO NOW I, WE DID DISCUSS, REMEMBER JUDGE, THAT THE, THE ROAD SAFETY STUDY, THE 200,000 CERTAINLY WOULD COME OUT OF THIS. IT COULD, COULD COME OUTTA THIS. YEAH. AND, AND IT'S BUDGETED UNDER CONTRACT SERVICES TO DO SO, SO, UH, I WAS, I KNOW FUND 50 ONE'S BECOMING LIKE THE CATCHPHRASE THESE, THESE DAYS, BUT FOR FREE MONEY IS HOW PEOPLE YEAH, YEAH. SO I, I JUST PUT THE MONEY OUT THERE, UH, FOR UTILIZATION. IF, IF IT, IF IT'S NOT, UH, AND, AND I HAVE, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT MONEY'S MONEY, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SADDLING A BURDEN ONTO IT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD REGRET. THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE IT, IT, IT HAS SUSTAINED ITSELF BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN BLU UH, PLUNDERED. . YEAH. UH, SO, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER WORD OF THE DAY. UH, BUT YEAH, PLUNDER, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY A PHILOSOPHY DECISION OF THE COURTS. BUT, UH, IT, AND THAT CAN BE CHANGED VERY EASILY, UM, AS, AS SOME OF YOUR OTHER SPECIAL FUNDS AS WELL. I MEAN, I, THIS YEAR I WENT ON THE, ON THE ATTEMPT THAT IF WE HAVE IT, I'M GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE AND IT CAN BE DISCUSSED OR WE CAN PUT IT BACK INTO IT'S ON FUND BALANCE. YEAH. AND, AND SO, SO, SO THIS TO ME, AND I'M GONNA THROW THIS TO THE COURT 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS MY CONCEPT WITH THIS VERY PARTICULAR POSITION. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THE FIRE MARSHAL, NO MATTER WHERE THE PAY IS, WE CAN PUT THE FIRE MARSHAL IN, IN A STRUCTURE. I'D SAY WE PUT THAT PERSON IN WHERE, WHERE THAT POSITION IS. THEN I ALSO BELIEVE WE SHOULD REDUCE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND REALLOCATE THE CAR FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH ALSO REDUCES THE $40,000 IS COMING OUT OF HERE TO BUY THAT CAR. SO THAT TAKES $155,000 OUT OF FUND 51. WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO USE SOME MONEY TO REWRAP THE CAR. SO MAYBE WE WOULD LEAVE MONEY IN FUND 51 TO REWRAP THE CAR SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FIND IT. AND WE WOULD JUST DO THAT 40,000 REDUCTION DOWN TO 10,000, I DON'T KNOW. UM, AND THEN WE LEAVE THE 3000 FOR THE COMPUTER AND EVERYTHING AND JUST GET THE FIRE MARSHAL SET UP OUT OF FUND 51. THEN WE TAKE THIS REPEATING, UM, BUDGET ITEM AND JUST MOVE IT INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND THEN WE GO EXACTLY HOW THE JUDGE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE GO FIND SOME, SOME EXPENSES AND THAT WE COULD SIT THERE AND GO, THIS IS WHAT WE COULD, WE COULD JUMP INTO FUND 51 AND, AND BUY, WHICH, WHICH THEN KIND OF REDUCES SOME OF THESE ONE TIME EXPENSES. MAYBE WE LEAVE CARS IN HERE, MAYBE WE, UM, DO A SHERIFF OFFICE REMODEL OUT OF SOME OF THIS MONEY. UM, ALL OF THAT IS ON THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S A TEXAS TWO STEP, BUT IN MY BRAIN, IT, IT TRULY IS. IT, IT IS JUST KIND OF GOING IN THAT DIRECTION OF SAYING, I WANNA TAKE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CAR, GIVE IT TO A FIRE MARSHAL, REWRAP IT, DROP EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FROM THREE TO TWO, PUT THE FIRE MARSHAL IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN PLACE OF THAT GIS THE 95,000 THERE, AND THEN THAT BECOMES FAIRLY [01:15:01] BUDGET NEUTRAL. IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE A WHOLE LOT. UM, AND THEN IT GIVES US OUR SLUSH FUND FOR US TO PLUNDER. SO IF, IF , WOW. DON'T SAY SLUSH EVER AGAIN. . YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER. OH MY, OH MY GOODNESS. WE, WE'VE ALREADY HIDDEN FUNDS AND WE HAVE A SLUSH NOW. SO I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MY IDEA, BY THE WAY. WE COMMISSIONER STACY, THAT'S A BUT I'M SAYING IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY INVOLVED IDEA. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ONE THING, BUT IT IS. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. YEAH. AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. UH, BUT LET, BUT I DON'T HATE IT. YEAH. WELL, LET'S EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT. SO USING FUND 51 TO, TO FUND THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL, I THINK'S AN ACCEPTABLE EXPENSE FOR THAT. WHAT DOES THAT FREE UP AGAIN TO APPLY DOWNWARD PRESSURE? WELL, IT DOESN'T, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING TO PUT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE, WE, SO WE'VE GOT IT FUNDED THOUGH RIGHT NOW. NO, WE'RE $1.8 MILLION SHORT. OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS FUNDED. NO, NO. PHASE ONE IS FUNDED. PHASE ONE. PHASE ONE ONLY. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT UP, . HEY MAN, I CAN KEEP, I CAN, I CAN KEEP ALL THESE MARBLES BALANCED SOMEHOW. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO WITH FUND 51 IS WE PAY OUR, UH, FIRE SERVICES AT THE CITIES. WE, WE PAY THEM FOR, UH, FIGHTING FIRES OUT IN THE UNINCORPORATED, UNDEVELOPED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. UM, SO WE, WE DO HAVE THAT OBLIGATION, BUT IT, IT'S NOT THE, THE FUND IS OUTRUNNING THAT OBLIGATION CONSISTENTLY. YEAH. AND SO, UH, TO, TO THAT POINT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY PUTTING TOGETHER THAT SPREADSHEET, UM, THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST TO ALLOCATE, UH, THE FIRE CALLS. UM, IT WOULD BE LAST YEAR THE COURT ADDED ABOUT 5% TO THE BUCKET OF MONEY. UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BAILEY AND I KIND OF DECIDED TO DO. 'CAUSE IT HAD BEEN A WHILE TO JUST PUT 5% TO THE BUCKET OF MONEY AND THEN SPREAD IT IT OUT. UM, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE SPENDING BECAUSE WE COULD KEEP THE BUCKET THE SAME AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE REALLOCATED BASED UPON LAST YEAR'S CALLS. SO IN A WAY, WE KIND OF PAY THAT IN ARREARS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE TAKE ALL THE CALLS FROM 2014, WE PUT IT INTO A SPREADSHEET THAT THE FIRE CHIEFS HAVE ALL AGREED TO. SO WE'RE NOT, THE COUNTY'S NOT OUT HERE ON OUR OWN DOING IT. AND THEN WE WRITE THOSE INTO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, AND THEN WHEN THE CITIES, THE CITY'S COME AND ASK FOR 'EM, AND THEN, THEN IT GETS PAID OUT. SO, SO THAT IS CALCULATED ON A BASIS. SO EVEN THOUGH IN THE END WE MIGHT END UP INCREASING WHAT WE PAY ROYCE CITY AND DECREASING WHAT WE PAY FATE, THE, THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IS GONNA BE LEAVING FUND 51 IS, IS KIND OF ONLY MY POINT. AND THAT WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THAT TOGETHER. UM, I WOULD SAY I, I KNOW WHERE THAT IS. I JUST DON'T WANNA SAY WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON. YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO FEEL CALLED OUT, BUT WE'RE WAITING ON DATA FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FINISH THAT SPREADSHEET AND THEN, AND THEN GET THAT TOGETHER AND GET THAT BEFORE COURT. SO I'M HOPING TO HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT COURT MEETING FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS AND TO HAVE THE PAYMENTS AND, AND ALL THAT AGREED UPON. GOT IT. SO LET, LET ME OVERSIMPLIFY YOUR, YOUR REQUEST AND, AND MANEUVER. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BAD WAY. UH, YOUR, YOUR HOPE IS THAT YOU, WE CAN MOVE THE FIRE MARSHAL OVER TO WHAT IS NOW A VACATED POSITION, WHICH WILL ESSENTIALLY BE BUDGET NEUTRAL. YOU CAN REDUCE A POSITION IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT UTILIZING THAT VEHICLE, AND THEN SAVE FUND 51 TO BE USED FOR PHASE TWO OF THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL. THAT IS WHAT I'M HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH. YES. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE A PHASE THREE PROBLEM THAT I'LL GET TO, BUT YES, . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO POINT POINT NUMBER TWO, TAKING THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA KEEP TABS ON THIS. EEE, EVEN WITH THAT COMPLEX MANEUVER, I STILL REMAIN, UH, AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT. I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AGAIN, MY FOCUS IS, I DON'T WANT US TO, I, I CALL IT THE CUP OF COFFEE A DAY FALLACY, YOU KNOW, 10,000 HERE, 10,000 THERE. AND THEN WE LOOK UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR, OUR, OUR TAX RATES THROUGH THE ROOF AND WE JUST DID IT IN LITTLE BITES. UM, SO I, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 'CAUSE IT TRULY DOES SEEM TO BE COST NEUTRAL AND, AND GETS RID OF THAT. I, I'VE SAID BEFORE, I NEED TO GET RID OF THE, WE GOT FUND 51 IS LIKE A PIECE OF MEAT AND THE HYENAS, JUST CIRCLE IT. UH, SO NOW MY QUESTION IS FOR MELISSA AND THE AUDITOR, DID YOU UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET THAT LITTLE THING FROM THE AUDITOR SAYING IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. UM, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AROUND A $20,000 SAVINGS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE CRAZY GREAT. UM, BUT IT DOES FREE UP MONEY FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL FOR ME, THAT WAS JUST MY GOAL. YEAH. WE'LL PRESENT. IT JUST PUBLICLY STATED, [01:20:01] I'M NOT, I'M NOT HIDING IT. WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THE, UH, ON THE REVISION SPREADSHEET YEAH. WILL START TODAY AND, AND SEND IT OUT. SO, UH, AND DO YOU, AND YOU DO WANT THE PHASE TWO FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL FROM 51. YOU WANNA SEE THAT ON THE SPREADSHEET AS WELL, CORRECT? I, I DO. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IF YOU COULD GET WITH, UH, CAPTAIN BROWN AND JUST GET SOME SORT OF ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REWRAP A CAR. I, I JUST, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER WE CAN AT LEAST ACCOUNT FOR. SO I MEAN, WE DO HAVE TO REWRAP IT. SO IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SPRAY PAINTED. JUST, JUST MARK THROUGH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. PUT FIRE TEAM BRAND 1000, 1000. OH, THANK, GOOD LORD. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING A HUNDRED THOUSAND. YOU SAY, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THESE CARDS? I KNEW HE WAS IN THE ROOM, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA CALL HIM. I KNEW HE WOULD KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE HIM HAVE TO GIVE US AN ANSWER. SO IT'D BE ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO THAT $40,000 BECOMES A THOUSAND BUCKS. SO WE COULD LEAVE 4,000 IN FUND 51 TO, UH, ONBOARD A FIRE MARSHAL WITH WRAPPING A CAR AND, AND GETTING THEM SET UP WITH A COMPUTER. AND THEN JUST MOVE THE SALARY OVER, UM, TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD A UNIFORM AND, UH, ATE, UH, WELL, SHE HAS THAT IN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES. UH, WELL, WE WOULD U MOVE THE UNIFORM MONEY AND THE YES. UH, THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS TO, UH, THEY MIGHT INCREASE A LITTLE BIT AS WELL TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. YEAH. BUT I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A BASE SALARY OF 85 TO A BASE SALARY OF 95. SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THAT WE WILL END UP SAVING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY EVEN WHEN WE PULL IT ALL OVER. OKAY. BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT MATH WORKS OUT. I DID NOT MATH IT WHILE WE'RE ON PAGE 75, IF I CAN FOR, I'M SORRY. I JUST DON'T RECALL THE, ANY KIND OF AGREEMENTS WITH, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE CALLS FOR THE DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. UM, MCCLENDON, CHISHOLM'S, UM, WE WENT UP, UM, A YEAR AGO, ABOUT 30,000 FROM 1 27 TO 1 57. MM-HMM . CAN YOU REMIND ME OF YEAH. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE HAVE A CALCULUS MM-HMM. WHICH JUST SAYS, HOW MANY CALLS DID YOU DO THE YEAR BEFORE IN THE COUNTY MM-HMM . AND THEN WE PUT, WE PUT IT INTO THE BUCKET OF MONEY AND WE, AND WE DIVIDE IT EVENLY BETWEEN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. SO IT, IT IS DONE. JUST WHAT, WHAT DID YOU ACCOMPLISH? AND SO, NOT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD WITH ROY CITY AND FATE IS THAT WE HAD A CALL BOX WRONG ON THE BORDER BETWEEN ROY CITY AND FATE, AND THEY WERE CALLING FATE. AND THEN FATE WAS CALLING ROY CITY. SO IT WAS BEING REPORTED AS A FATE CALL. AND WE'RE FIXED THAT, SO, SO WE FOUND THAT ISSUE AND WE GOT THAT CORRECTED. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME MOVEMENT BETWEEN FATE AND ROY CITY, BUT WE JUST GO TO THE STRAIGHT NUMBER OF CALLS AND IT'S DONE THROUGH OUR GIS DEPARTMENT. THEY LOOK AT THE CALLS, THEY PUT 'EM IN THE CALL BOXES, AND, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, THIS, THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A CALCULUS THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, THAT MY, MY PREDECESSOR, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGNUS HAD ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS AGREE UPON. I WENT OUT AND MET WITH ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS LAST YEAR, UM, AND JUST, AND THEY'RE ALL STILL GOOD WITH IT. SO, SO NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE THE CALCULUS. THE ONLY THING IS FATE AND ROYCE CITY WANTED TO CHANGE SOME OF THE CALL BOXES, WHICH IS GETTING REALLY FAR INTO THE WEEDS WHEN YOU CALL 9 1 1 FROM CERTAIN ADDRESSES WHO ACTUALLY GETS CALLED, THAT ALL GOT CORRECTED, UM, WITH NO ISSUE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE CHIEFS REALLY WORK OUT, AND WE JUST FACILITATE SENDING THE MONEY. GOOD. OKAY. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY TAKE A HANDS-ON APPROACH ON. OKAY. ARE THE FIRE CHIEFS OKAY WITH THE, AS I TOOK IT, WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE ALLOCATION BETWEEN THE CITIES? CORRECT? YES. HOW, HOW WE, HOW WE DISPERSE ALL THE MONEY, RIGHT? YES. ARE THEY OKAY WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUCKET? THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE OKAY WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUCKET, SO, OKAY. WELL, AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS WE JUST GOT DONE NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT OR AGREEING ON A CONTRACT WITH WILEY MM-HMM . AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING AS WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ADEQUATELY COMPENSATING THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS FOR THE WORK THEY DO. AND THAT GOES TO THE SIZE OF THE BUCKET RATHER THAN THE ALLOCATION OF COSTS COR CORRECT. BETWEEN, AND, AND THAT WOULD, AND SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO DO LAST YEAR IS JUST GIVE IT AN INCREASE JUST EVERY SO OFTEN, JUST INCREASE THE BUCKET A LITTLE BIT MORE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH SOME OF THOSE COSTS. BUT SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOT A NUMBER THAT SAYS WE HAD THIS MANY CALLS, AND IF WE DIVIDE THE, THE TOTAL BUCKET BY THAT MANY CALLS, WE SEE A PER CALL COST MM-HMM . AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THAT'S ADEQUATE COMPENSATION. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT I'VE HAD QUESTIONS I KNOW FROM AT LEAST ONE CITY ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING PAID. AND I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST KNOW THAT WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK FOR PAYING THE CORRECT AMOUNT [01:25:02] FOR THOSE CALLS. AND, AND THE REASON IT COMES UP AGAIN IN MY MIND IS 'CAUSE WE JUST GOT DONE LOOKING THIS AT THIS IN WILEY MM-HMM . AND WHY, I KNOW THAT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY GOT THIS LITTLE AREA THAT WE CAN'T REALLY SERVE WELL, APPARENTLY, BUT COULD WE GET THAT NUMBER FROM SOMEBODY? THANK YOU, ELISA. ALL RIGHT. MOVING, MOVING ALONG. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT THING, UM, IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 1 26, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE, UM, A LINE ITEM 0 0 1 6 5 5 1 0 6 DETENTION CENTER, MAINTENANCE MANAGER. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ADDING FOLKS TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, THAT WE POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE THAT POSITION, UM, AND HAVE ALL THE MAINTENANCE REPORT TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE MANAGER, UM, IN THE JAIL. AND ALL THE JAIL STAFF WOULD BE DETENTION OFFICERS OR PEOPLE THAT COULD ESCORT OUR CIVILIAN MAINTENANCE STAFF AROUND, UM, IF NECESSARY. SO YOU, YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT POSITION? YES. BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THE POSITIONS INTO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. GOT IT. AND STAFFING IT THAT WAY. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT IT ABOVE TO SEE IT'S, IT'S UP THERE, UM, AT THE TOP OF THAT PAGE WHERE, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WAS IF HE PUT IT AS, AS A TECHNICIAN OR NOT AS ONE OF THOSE FIVE TECHNICIANS OR NOT, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE, I THINK WHAT, UM, BARRY WAS, I YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. WE WOULD BE ADDING YES. UM, PEOPLE TO, TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, TO, SO I KEEP TRACK OF THIS, UH, MAINTENANCE MANAGER MOVES TO MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT OR, WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'VE CREATED THREE POSITIONS IN THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. UM, AND JUST, WE WOULD JUST ELIMINATE THAT FROM THE JAIL BECAUSE WE HAVE THE THREE THAT HAVE MOVED OVER. SO CURRENTLY THE JAIL HAS THREE MAINTENANCE STAFF, AND AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD BE ADDING A MAINTENANCE STAFF BECAUSE WE'D BE KEEPING ONE AT THE JAIL AND THEN CREATING THREE UNDER OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. SO I'M JUST SAYING JUST CREATE THE THREE UNDER THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE MANAGER SERGEANT AT THE JAIL. SO COMMISSIONERS DO, DO WE WANT TO REMOVE THAT HEADCOUNT, LEAVE THAT MONEY, AND THEN VISIT WITH THE SHERIFF ABOUT SOME OF HIS REQUEST THAT HE'S GONNA SEND IN THE, IN THE EMAIL SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT YEAH, BUT IT PROBABLY BE, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY BUDGETED. REMOVE THE HEADCOUNT, LEAVE THE MONEY. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD DEFINITELY ABLE TO, YEAH, THAT COULD BE GOOD TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DISPATCH ISSUE. YEAH. YEAH, FOR SURE. PROBABLY BE A DIFFERENT SALARY, BUT STILL WE COULD LOOK FOR DIFFERENT PLACES TO TAKE THAT UP. ALL RIGHT. SO IF THE SHERIFF IS LISTENING, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION. SHERIFF, IF THE SHERIFF IS ALWAYS LISTENING, UM, SORRY, I'M JUST MAKING NOTES MM-HMM . AND I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP AROUND, BUT PAGE A HUNDRED IS GONNA BE THE IT, I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE IT BUDGET THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO, TO LOOK AT. UM, WHILE, WHILE HE'S PULLING THAT UP, COMMISSIONERS, I'M, I'M, MY PLAN TODAY IS NOT TO TAKE ANY, ANY BREAKS. SO IF YOU NEED TO STAND UP AND STRETCH OR IF YOU NEED TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, JUST, JUST, UH, HELP, HELP YOURSELF. YEAH. GO GET YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE RENEWED. WHAT, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO, . UM, WELL, WE HAVE COFFEE BACK THERE. I'M ABOUT TO HAVE TO REFILL MY CUP. SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. , I'VE GOT CUPS OVER THERE, BOBBY , THERE'S CUPS BACK THERE. COME ON. UM, THE, UM, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE SAND. UH, THIS IS BUYING SERVERS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY BROKEN. WE COULD BUDGET $14,000 FOR LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS ON THESE SERVERS RATHER THAN BUYING NEW SERVERS. UM, THIS TAKES 155,000 OF THE APPROVED BUDGET AND TURNS IT INTO 14,000. UM, I HAVE TALKED TO BRIAN. HE SAYS THAT THAT, THAT THAT IS VERY DOABLE. SO I, I AM, I APPLAUD THAT. LET'S, I WOULD, WOULD BE ALL ALL, [01:30:01] SO IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. WE STILL HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY 155. WE COULD PAY 14,000 SO WE CAN KIND OF KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD FOR A YEAR AND SAVE 140 GRAND. WELL, WE COULD KICK IT DOWN FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THE SERVICE ARE WORKING GREAT. IT'S JUST THE SERVICE AGREEMENT HAS ENDED. AND SO WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY EXTEND THE SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR A FEW MORE YEARS. YEAH, LET'S DEFINITELY DO THAT. . UM, SO IS IT 14,000 FOR TWO OR IS IT 14,000 FOR ONE? HE THE SPRINT. WE CAN ASK, UH, BRIAN TO, TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT HE, BUT WHEN HIM AND I MET MY NOTES SAY THE 1 55 CAN BECOME 14,000, UM, AND THEN, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT ADDING SOME PHONE SYSTEM LICENSES. SO IF WE DON'T REDO THE PHONE SYSTEM, WE'LL NEED TO ADD SOME LICENSES SO THAT ALL, NOT, ALL THAT 1 55 BECOMES, WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADD A FEW LICENSES TO THE PHONE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING LOW AND RUNNING OUT OF THEM. I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN, UM, FOR BRIAN AS FAR AS IF WE ADD PEOPLE, IF WE MOVE PEOPLE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT THAT. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A FULL 1 55, BUT I I BET YOU WOULD'VE PULL MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND BACK INTO THE BUDGET AND STILL GIVE US ALL THE SYSTEMS AND, AND THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE ARE, UH, THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. YEAH, I AGREE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WHEN HE WAS HERE. YES. THAT WE DON'T NEED A NEW SYSTEM, BUT WE MAY NEED TO ADD LICENSES. MM-HMM . SO GET THAT NUMBER FROM HIM. UM, ANOTHER MINOR THING ON 1 0 2, UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, APPROVE THE FOUR 39TH LAPTOP. I SURE WOULD LIKE TO REMEMBER WHY I DIDN'T 'CAUSE IT, IT IS GLARINGLY OBVIOUS THAT, THAT EVERY JUDGE GOT A NEW COMPUTER AND FOR SOME REASON IN THE FOUR 39TH, UM, I, I, I SAID NO, BUT I, I DID, I DID TO HELP ME SPEAK TO THE JUDGE AND, UM, THERE, THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION BACK THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED. SO, UH, OKAY. I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. . UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO KIND OF EXPLORE AND, UM, AND I'VE STARTED THIS, UH, WITH THE AUDITOR, IS PULLING THE CIVILIAN CARS OUT AND FINDING A WAY TO DO A CAPITAL PURCHASE FUND BALANCE, THAT THAT WOULD FREE UP SOME MONEY AS WELL. UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A FEW CARS INCLUDED IN HERE. UM, BUT I, WE HAVE AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND BETWEEN A MAINTENANCE TRUCK AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, I WOULD, THE FLEET COMMITTEE HAS ASKED FOR A MAINTENANCE TRUCK, A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, A DA INVESTIGATOR, AND THEN IT, UM, AND LISA AND I ARE AT LEAST, UM, LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY GOING INTO FY 25 AND, AND DOING A FUND TRANSFER. THERE'S A FEW MORE PIECES OF INFORMATION HER AND I ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THAT WOULD BE IN A COURT IN SEPTEMBER. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PREPARED TO DO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD FREE UP POTENTIALLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THIS BUDGET OF GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO, SO THAT'S ABOUT 200,000, UM, COMING OFF THE TOP, JUST IN THE LAST FEW THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP WITH NO, WITH NO THINKING OF SPENDING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING OF FUND 180 5 OR? YES, I AM. OKAY. , UH, I, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO MOVE THAT OVER TO FUND 180 5, WHICH IS OUR INSURANCE TRUST. SO MO MOST OF MY DOI DING THROUGH THE, THE BUDGET ISN'T NECESSARILY TO SAVE MONEY AS MUCH AS IT IS TO REALLOCATE MONEY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WELL RE REALLOCATE AND, AND A BIG THING IS TO, UH, KEEP FUND 51 WHOLE WITH, WITH THE THOUGHTS OF USING IT FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL. THAT IS TRUE. UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH. AND SO THAT'S, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT BECAUSE, UH, FUN FUND WAITING FUND 180 5 IS, IS WHERE WE PAY OUR CL OUR PREMIUMS FROM AND OUR CLAIMS FROM. AND I JUST THINK IT'S SMART, THE, THE BEST WE CAN TO TRY TO JUST KEEP, UM, TO KEEP THAT FUNDED. I, I, I DON'T WANT TO, TO GET UP ON A, ON A PEDESTAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE COUNTY AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE GIVE THEM IS GREAT BENEFITS. [01:35:01] AND SO TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT AS WE'RE DOING IT INVOLVES INVESTING IN THOSE BENEFITS. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES THAT MEANS TAKING EXTRA FUND TRANSFERS BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY HIGH CLAIMS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. UM, AND KEEPING THAT AS HEALTHY AS WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE OFFERING THE GOOD QUALITY OF BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE, UM, I KNOW IS A FOCUS OF THIS COURT. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT. UM, BUT, UH, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN DOING SINCE MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE. I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN INSURANCE AND BEEN IN RISK MANAGEMENT. AND SO I THINK LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DIVING INTO IT AS MUCH AS I HAVE THE LAST FEW YEARS, I THINK AT LEAST DOING A 200 TO $250,000 TRANSFER INTO FUND 180 5 IS IMPORTANT. IT, IT, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT IMPORTANT THE LAST COUPLE BUDGETS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT NOW. UM, AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT WE, WE COULD, WE COULD TALK TO THE TREASURER, WE COULD TALK TO THE, TO THE AUDITOR, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NOW IS, NOW IS THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO, TO REALLY DO THAT. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT MOVING 500,000 INTO IT FROM FY 25. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING ABOUT $775,000, UM, TO SHORE UP THAT ACCOUNT. UM, I THINK IT'S SUPER NECESSARY. AND, UM, WHEN WE, WE, I GUESS WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSTABLES WHEN WE SAID THIS TO THIS, TO THIS, TO THIS FUND, 180 5. I, I JUST WANT, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO PUT A RED HERRING, I'M JUST SAYING I REALLY THINK THIS COURT NEEDS TO TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND WE CAN DO IT. THE MONEY'S THERE. UH, I, I WILL BE DONE. I HAVE MORE, BUT, UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SUCK THE OXYGEN OUTTA THE ROOM IF I KEEP TALKING. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO COMMISSIONER THREE. WOW. . ALRIGHT, LET'S HAVE FUN. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK EVERYBODY'S DOING ON THIS. UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE EXPERIENCE I'M GETTING FROM COMMISSIONERS, M**K, UH, STACY AND JUDGE NEW WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS COUPLE TIMES HERE AT THE COUNTY. WE'VE ALL DONE BUDGETING IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, I'VE GOT A, A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH HERE. UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SETTING THE RATE LATER. CORRECT, JUDGE, WE ARE, SO I'M SKIP OVER THAT. UM, AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, UH, WHAT THE AUDITOR WAS SAYING LATELY, THAT SS FOUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, SS FOUR GRANT IS BUILT INTO THE, I GUESS IT'S CALLED FUND 51, RIGHT? IN THAT CONTINGENCY, THE AMOUNT WE'D HAVE TO PAY TOWARD THAT IF WE GET THE GRANT NOW, WHICH IS THAT NOW WHAT SHE WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO, ABOUT $200,000, SHE WAS REFERRING TO THE ROAD, UM, ROAD PLANNING THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICE HAD DISCUSSED. YES. THAT'S COMING OUT FRONT. SO, SO THE 200 IS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASKED FOR SEVERAL THINGS, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO DO AN INVENTORY OF ROADS THAT COST $200,000. YES. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT SHE APPROVED. I, I APPROVED THAT AND, AND OKAY. PULLED THAT FROM FUND 51. WELL THEN, GOOD, THEN I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A, UH, IN JUNE WE APPLIED FOR A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION GRANT OF ABOUT 500,000, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT ABOUT 500,000. AND IF WE GET THAT, WE'VE GOT A 20% MATCH, WHICH WILL BE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UM, I CHECKED WITH, UH, UH, THE GROUP WE USED TO MAKE THE APPLICATION, THEY HAVE HEARD NOTHING YET. THE GRANTS HAVEN'T BEEN ANNOUNCED, SO WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY THINK IT COULD EASILY BE IN SEPTEMBER THAT WE WILL KNOW. AND IF WE GET THAT, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PUT IN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND I CAN GET AN EXACT NUMBER. BUT WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? WOULD THAT COME FROM FUND 51 AND THE CONTINGENCY? IF, IF WE'VE MOVED IT OVER TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE, WHICH IS WHAT LISA WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER, UH, IT WOULD COME FROM THERE. OR CONTINGENCY. YEAH, WELL, IN THE, AND THEN THE FUND 51, IT GOES BACK TO THAT WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY NUMBER OF $789,000. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE BUDGET'S WRITTEN, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT. IS THAT CORRECT, LISA? WE'D GIVE IT ITS OWN LINE. IT IT WITH THE SIZE OF GRANT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SET IT SPECIFICALLY OVER TO ITS OWN FUND. UH, I LIKE TO DO THAT WITH GRANTS SO IT STAYS CLEAN, BUT THEN YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR YOUR MATCH. FOR OUR MATCH. YEAH. SO, UM, IF YOU WERE GONNA USE 51 MONEY, [01:40:01] I GUESS WE COULD JUST GIVE IT ITS OWN ACCOUNT NUMBERS TOO. BUT I, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT YES, I'VE GOT A NOTE NOW TO SET ASIDE A THOUSAND, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MATCH. OKAY. ON THAT ONE. SO JUST, UM, LET'S NOT RAID THAT CONTINGENCY TOO MUCH AND MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GET THE GRANT, WE GOT THE MONEY. AND I BELIEVE THAT 200,000 WAS FROM, FOR A DIFFERENT ROAD STUDY. IT WAS, YES. YES. YEAH. YES. I I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO. UM, OKAY, UH, ON PAGE ONE, I HAVE, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION HERE. I'M LOOKING AT LINE 6 55 ON PAGE ONE. THERE'S A $264,000, $712 ITEM THAT'S MENTIONED. MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, DEPUTY, WHAT IS THAT? SO WE, WE'VE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH MCCLENDON CHISHOLM TO PROVIDE THEM FULL TIME DEPUTY, UH, DURING BUSINESS HOURS THERE. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT, THAT WAS REACHED. THEY, THEY PAY US. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE WE, WE PAY THE DEPUTIES AND IS THIS NEW? IT, IT IS FAIRLY NEW. SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, JUST UNDER NORMAL, UH, UH, COURSE OF BUSINESS, JUST HAVE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THERE. YEP. BUT THEY WANT SOMEBODY DEDICATED YEP. THAT, THAT IS IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, APPROACHED US AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. OKAY. WELL THAT'S GOOD. I, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I JUST HADN'T BEEN, NOBODY HAD MENTIONED THAT TO ME. UM, AND SINCE IT'S IN MY PRECINCT, I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED IN WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING CARE OF THAT ON MY, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE COURT AND THEM, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THEY'VE FACED. UM, OKAY. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, JUSTICE OF THE PEACE THREE HAD REQUESTED A PART-TIME CLERK, UM, TO SERVE IN THEIR, TO SERVE IN THEIR COURT. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'D ASKED FOR A, JP THREE HAD ASKED FOR A PART-TIME CLERK OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEIR CURRENT STAFFING IS, AND A PART-TIME, IT'S NOT INCLUDED. IT WAS $27, 27 HOURS A WEEK OR SOMETHING TO COVER THIS. THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE BUSY. I DON'T KNOW IF I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER WITH, UH, THE, THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE IN THAT PRECINCT AND MARK RUSSO. BUT, UM, THEY HAVE, THEIR FINES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, I THINK, THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE TWO, THEY'RE AT LIKE $90,000 ON LINE ITEM OH 8 0 3, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS. AND I KNOW THEY'RE REAL BUSY. UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER WITH HIM. BUT I AT LEAST LET'S KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND. AND IF I CAN JUST REPORT, UM, COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. I, I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS SUBMITTED SOME REPORTS TO US YEP. TO SHOW THAT THE GROWTH, THE PERCENTAGE, HOW MUCH IT'S GROWN. YEP. AND, AND HOW THIS POSITION WILL DEFINITELY HELP. UM, AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S THIS SOMETHING WE GOTTA CONSIDER IN THE BROAD PICTURE BECAUSE WHEN PRECINCT FOUR'S JP MADE THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY ALSO REQUESTED A FULL-TIME PERSON MM-HMM . SO, UM, WE GOTTA CONSIDER, AND THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME NOT BEING IN THOSE JOBS TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS FOR ALL OF THEM AND HOW THEY TRANSFER. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT SPREADSHEETS AND SEE NEW CASES AND, UH, RESOLVE CASES AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, IN BOTH CASES, THREE AND FOUR, 'CAUSE THEY BOTH REQUESTED, JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING GOOD SERVICE TO OUR, OUR, UH, CONSTITUENTS. UM, UM, OKAY. WHAT IS THE, I I EVERY ONE OF THESE EXPENSE ITEMS HAS, UH, INSURANCE, UH, GROUP INSURANCE GOING UP. WHAT IS OUR, DID WE EVER COME UP WITH A ESTIMATE? WHAT GROUP INSURANCE IS GONNA COST CAMMI PER EMPLOYEE FOR A YEAR? 13,000? I THINK THAT'S THE NINE. YEP. AND SO THAT'S BASED ON OUR, THE ESTIMATES FOR NEXT YEAR THAT WE PERCEIVED. SO WE WENT UP A LITTLE UNDER 10%. YES. YEAH. AND WE DISCUSSED THIS, I KNOW, AT OUR MEETING MM-HMM . BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE GOT FINAL NUMBERS OR WHATNOT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. [01:45:01] UM, LEGAL SERVICES, UM, UH, THIS IS ON PAGE THREE. OKAY. UM, WE SHOW LEGAL SERVICES OF $300,000. I WISH THE JUDGE WAS HERE. UM, UH, $300,000 FOR NEXT YEAR BUDGETED. AND WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 306 THIS YEAR, UH, YEAR TO DATE. UH, AS EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY, EVERYONE KNOWS HONOR THIS COURT. WE ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN TWO NEW LAWSUITS THAT WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN LAST YEAR, LAST FISCAL YEAR, OR WHEN THE BUDGET WAS DONE LAST FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'VE ASKED OUR COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH ESTIMATES FOR WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST. BUT WE NEED TO BUDGET THAT ITEM HERE. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT NUMBER YET, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT FACTORED IN HERE BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THE 300,000 IS BASED ON OUR GENERAL COUNSEL'S EXPENSE OR WHAT I THINK JUDGE NEW SAID 300,000. IF YOU RECALL, THE ANDY TAYLOR BILL WAS 50,000 FOR THE ONE, ONE AND DONE ON THAT APPEAL. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. SO I THINK HE WAS TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT, UH, ON THE ANNUAL COST, BECAUSE THAT WAS A, THAT WILL GO AWAY, UM, EXPENSE. RIGHT. BUT, YEP. SO, BUT THIS YEAR TO DATE IS THROUGH WHAT DATE? HMM? DID IT PRINT A, UH, AUGUST 11TH THROUGH AUGUST. OKAY. SO IT'S VERY CURRENT. SO, UH, NINE OF THE 11 MONTHS HAVE GONE AND WE'VE SPENT 3 0 6. AND IF YOU TAKE OUT THE 50, THAT'S 2 56. SO WE'RE GONNA HIT $300,000 ANYWAY JUST IN NORMAL FEES. UM, AND I, I'D LIKE IT, I, IF WE COULD GET A NUMBER ON WHAT THE LEGAL FEES ARE TO DATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BALANCE FOR, UH, ACCOUNT FOR NEXT YEAR. AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE YET. WE'VE ASKED FOR AN ESTIMATE FROM OUR COUNSEL AS TO THE COST FOR THE HORTON. BUT I'M JUST PUTTING A NOTE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT 300,000 IS PROBABLY TOO LOW THERE AND WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN. I, I, I AGREE. WE PROBABLY SHOULD AT LEAST ADD 50 INTO THAT, BUT KNOWING THE ESTIMATE WILL GIVE US YEP. GIVE US ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT TO ADD INTO THAT C CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? UM, GUYS, YOU, I RECALL WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROFESSIONAL FEES, WE ALSO FACTORED IN SOME LEGAL FEES THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THAT AS WELL. AND I'M NOT TALKING THIS YEAR. I'M TALKING THE LAST YEAR. SO THE NEXT LINE ITEM, YOU MEAN THE 150,000? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S MY QUESTION. WHAT, WHAT ALL COMES OUT OF PROFESSIONAL FEES? IS THAT ENGINEERING SERVICES? UH, YOUR, THE ANNUAL AUDIT, UM, THE, UH, ARCHITECT IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IF YOU PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO DESIGN SOMETHING, UM, THAT'S NOT A PROJECT. UM, THE ENGINEERING GOES TO ANOTHER LINE. WE, WE CAN, WE CAN PULL UP THE TRANSACTION LEDGER. MY MIND'S GONE BLANK FOR A MINUTE. WELL, IT, IT, IT LOOKS JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SPENT SO FAR THIS YEAR, THAT 150 IS THE, THE CORRECT AMOUNT. UH, BUT YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. MY, MY CONCERN WAS LEGAL, AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER TO PUT IN THERE, BUT MY GUESS IS THREE HUNDRED'S TOO LOW. AND I WILL, UH, BE HAPPY TO, UH, WELL, WE JUST ASKED HIM A COUPLE DAYS AGO IF HE'D GIVE US AN ESTIMATE. SO WE DON'T WELL, WE NEED TO GET THAT NUMBER FIGURED OUT. AND WE DID LAUREN, DID COMMISSIONER LTE, DID YOU ASK FOR A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING THE GENERAL COUNSEL JUST TO BE IN THE COURTROOM? WE, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR JUST A SECOND AGO, BUT MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR. YEAH. LISA, COULD YOU GIVE US AN UP TO DATE ON WHAT WE'VE PAID? UM, UH, THE SMITH RAY FIRM? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM TO BE GENERAL COUNSEL SITTING IN THE ROOM HERE. WHAT'S THE NAME AND WHAT WE'RE PAYING IN FEES FOR OTHER STUFF RAISED SOMEWHERE IN THERE. IS THAT POSSIBLE? . OKAY. YEAH. I'VE BEEN TRACKING YOUR, IS IT RIVER ROCK? THE DR. PORT LAW? YEAH. I'VE BEEN, ANYTHING, ANYTHING WITH A RIVER ROCK NAME GETS TAGGED TO ONE SPREADSHEET. [01:50:01] UH, THE LAST I CHECKED ON DANIEL RAY'S FIRM WAS 187,000. BUT, AND THAT'S JUST GENERAL FOR BEING OUR I BELIEVE SO. OR BEING COUNSEL, COURT COUNSEL. WE TRACK EVERY ONE OF YOUR ATTORNEYS, SO, UH, UH, WE'LL, UH, I'VE GOT THAT. I MEAN, WE CAN SEND IT, UH, ONE OF MY, YEAH. AND I'M, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT 180 7 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DID NOT INCLUDE ANY JULY EXPENSES BASED ON WHAT YOU SENT ME. THAT WAS THROUGH JUNE. RIGHT. SO, YEAH. UH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S YOUR HEALTH AUTHORITY GETS PAID OUT. PROFESSIONAL FEES. OKAY. PATELLA, BROWN AND HILL, WHICH IS YOUR, UH, ANNUAL AUDIT, UM, LOOKS LIKE SOME OF HILLTOP SECURITIES WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR AR YOUR ARBITRAGE REPORTS DONE. I THINK THERE'S A FEW IN HERE THAT PROBABLY GOT WERE, WILL NEED TO BE REVERSED. UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW, UH, ENGINEER LOOKING EXPENSES, BUT JUST AT A GLANCE. OKAY. UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS IN THERE. YOUR FINANCIAL FEES, UH, UH, NO LEGAL, NO ENGINEER. SO ACCOUNTING, UM, HEALTH COORDINATE, I MEAN HEALTH AUTHORITY AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY MY BRAIN KEEPS GOING ON . IT'S LIKE THIS ONE TOPIC I'VE JUST STUNTED ON. ANYWAYS, UH, I'LL CHECK ON THAT. OKAY. THAT, BECAUSE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SEEING THAT'S FINE IN A GLANCE IS, IS THERE MAY BE SOME IN THERE THAT ARE NOT CODED, UH, EXACTLY HOW I WOULD CODE THEM, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UM, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LEGAL FEES OR ANYBODY? OKAY. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM, OKAY. UH, THE CO ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNTY CLERK ASKED FOR WAS A NOTARY FRAUD ALERT PROGRAM. DID WE DECIDE TO SAY NO ON THAT? I AM THINKING THAT SHE WITHDREW THAT FOR SOME REASON. OKAY. DID SHE? OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, SHE DID. BECAUSE IT WAS DOUBLING UP SOMETHING. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WE, WE ALREADY HAD IT AS PART OF TYLER OR SOME OTHER SOFTWARE THAT, AND THEN SHE REQUESTED FF AND E OF 20,000 OH 89. DID WE GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTED THERE? DO YOU REMEMBER? I PROBABLY DID NOT. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL LET HER ASK FOR IT. SHE DOES. UM, OKAY. I MEAN, I I WILL YOU I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR BUSINESS . I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. OKAY. PAGE 15. UM, OKAY. A QUESTION, NOT NECESSARILY AN ADJUSTMENT, JUST A QUESTION. THERE WAS A LARGE INCREASE IN THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW JUDGE SALARY FROM 83 TO 1 0 5. WHAT WAS THAT? UH, SO STATE LEGISLATION UPPED THE PAY FINALLY AFTER 10 YEARS OKAY. OF THEIR, OF THEIR JUDGES. SO, UH, THE, THE 84, UH, THE STATE SUPPLEMENT INCREASED TO 1 0 5, AND YOU'LL SEE THE CORRELATION TO THE REVENUE BECAUSE THE STATE DOES PAY THAT PORTION. UH, AND YOU'LL SEE IT ON, UH, PAGE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS OH OH 1 3 3 3 300. UH, IT'S BEEN UP TO 210, WHICH IS 1 0 5 AND 1 0 5 FOR YOUR TWO COUNTY COURT AT LAW JUDGES. OKAY. GREAT. UH, THANKS FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. UM, THE JP THREE AGAIN, UM, HAD ASKED FOR A LAPTOP, NEW LAPTOP, AND I SPOKE WITH HIM THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID THAT HE REALLY DOES NEED IT. WAS THAT INCLUDED SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT I DIDN'T SEE? I TOOK IT AS THE LAPTOP WAS FOR THE NEW PERSONNEL HE REQUESTED. SO WHEN I DENIED THE PERSONNEL, I DENIED THE LAPTOP. I DON'T THINK SO. IF I, IF I UNDERSTOOD HIM CORRECTLY AND I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS. THE LAPTOP DID GET APPROVED. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT'S OUT OF A FUND. 56. IT'S COMING OUT OF A DIFFERENT FUND. OKAY. DID, YEAH. OKAY. JUDGE, YOU DID SAY NO, IT'S ON NEW LAPTOP FOR THE NEW PERSON. 50, BUT YOU SAID YES TO THE LAPTOP FOR HIM. OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT JUSTICE COURT [01:55:01] TECHNOLOGY FUND THAT GOT IT. OKAY. SO WELL DONE. COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU YOU DID THAT ONE GREAT. I DID SOMETHING RIGHT. YOU CAN GO BACK AND TELL HIM I GOT YOU YOUR LAPTOP, . OH, I'M SURE HE'LL BE HAPPY. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT CONSTABLES SALARIES. OKAY. THERE WAS THE, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAD ASKED FOR A VEHICLE. WAS THAT INCLUDED? NO. OKAY. SO, AND IS THAT BASED ON OUR MOTOR POOL RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, WE, UH, THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE ALL THE PEOPLE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ASKED FOR, I, I THINK THAT IS THE, THE REASON I BELIEVE THE, THE VEHICLE WAS REQUESTED FOR AN INVESTIGATOR POTENTIALLY THAT ISN'T IN THIS FIRST BUDGET. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WENT HAND IN HAND. OKAY. THAT TIES INTO ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY BECAUSE I THINK, IF I REMEMBER, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT, YOU'RE ADDING FOUR DA FOUR POSITIONS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. CORRECT. WAS ONE OF THOSE AND ANOTHER TWO OF 'EM ARE FELONY PROSECUTORS. AND I THINK ONE WAS A CLERK OR ONE WAS A NO, ONE WAS AVAC SLASH PARALEGAL PARALEGAL AND ONE WAS AN INVESTIGATOR. OKAY. SO DOES DOESN'T THE INVESTIGATOR IS THE ONE THAT WE GET THE CAR FOR. YEAH. AND MY, MY THOUGHT WAS WE COULD TAKE ONE FROM SURPLUS. YOU WANT TO TAKE ONE FROM WHAT THE SHERIFF'S COMING OFF AND, AND, AND TAKE THE EQUIPMENT OFF? YEAH. SO TYPICALLY THE INVESTIGATORS DRIVES WHAT I'D CALL CIVILIAN VEHICLES. THEY DO. UM, SO OKAY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF SURPLUS ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE. THAT'S GONNA BE VERY GOOD FOR THAT. YEAH. THAT WE'RE COMING OFF OF. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME OFF OF SOMETHING FROM THE SHERIFF AND WE'D HAVE TO YEP. MAKE IT LOOK NOT LIKE A UN UN BAGGAGE PATROL VEHICLE UN UND DECAL. YEAH. YEAH. OR THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR THEM. SO I, I DON'T WANNA PUT THEM IN THAT IF, UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAPTAIN BROWN THINKS WOULD BE OKAY. AND, AND, AND, UH, KENDALL WOULD THINK WOULD BE OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO THAT, THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS IS JUST FI FIND A SURPLUS VEHICLE AND, AND I AM TRYING TO FIND ABOUT $170,000 IN FY 25 TO MOVE OVER INTO OUR CAPITAL PURCHASE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BARRY'S TRUCK DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE DA INVESTIGATOR, AND IT, SO, SO I AM TRYING TO FIND IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T INCLUDED. I FOUND IT IN ONE THING, WHICH WOULD BE THE DISHWASHER THAT WE STILL HAVE AT THE, IN THE BUDGET. OH, WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT, BUT YES. , WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE WHEN COMMISSIONER TIS DONE . OKAY. I'LL TRY AND HURRY. BOBBY. UM, GOT ALL DAY. OH, NO, NO. THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. I'M GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. I GOTTA GET MY DRIVER'S LICENSE RENEWED. UM, OKAY. SO JUST OPEN, JUST PUT A NOTE THERE THAT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE AN OPEN POINT ON FIGURING THAT A CAR OUT FOR THE INVESTIGATOR. OKAY. UM, MAINTENANCE, PAGE 31. UM, OKAY. SO WE, YOU GUYS HAD TALKED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT PUTTING A MAINTENANCE PERSON IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET COMMISSIONER STACY, IS THAT CORRECT? TAKING IT OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET. TAKING IT OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET AND PUTTING IT IN HERE. WELL, WE, WE DID. SO THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET HAS THREE FOLKS ADDED TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. YEP. LEAVING ONE OF THE THREE IN THE JAIL. AND MY POINT IS, LET'S JUST TAKE ALL THREE OF THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE IN THE JAIL AND MOVE THEM TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. AND ARE THEY SHOWN HERE? WE GOT A JAIL TECHNICIAN SHOWN IN THE MAINTENANCE, UH, AS 98,000 MM-HMM . WHICH SEEMS, I DUNNO IF THAT'S THE FOR ONE PERSON OR TWO, THE YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE MAIN ONE, WHICH IS KIND OF THE POSITION I WOULD BE MOVING FROM THE JAIL OVER TO, TO THIS DEPARTMENT. KINDA LIKE THE SUPERVISOR JUST SUPERVISING THE, THE, THE JAIL MAINTENANCE. IT WOULD BE KINDA LIKE THE SERGEANT PAY. IT'S OUR WAY OF TRYING TO FIND IT, TRYING TO FIND THE SERGEANT'S PAY ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE. AND THEN THE TECHNICIAN INCREASE WOULD BE IN THE TECHNICIAN SIDE. SO THERE WOULD BE A SUPERVISOR AT THE JAIL IS THE POINT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A SUPERVISOR AT THE JAIL NOW. OKAY. BECAUSE THE JAIL TAKES SO MUCH MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT A NEW PERSON. IT'S SHIFTING FROM ONE OTHER. WELL THAT'S WHERE IT GETS REALLY TRICKY ON YOUR SEMANTICS. IT IS UP. 'CAUSE WELL, JUST A SECOND HERE. YEAH. BECAUSE IN THE EMAIL THAT WE GOT YESTERDAY OF YOUR SUMMARY MM-HMM . I DON'T THINK A JAIL TECHNICIAN WAS INCLUDED IN THERE, WAS IT WAS NOT. WAS NOT, YEAH. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I'VE CERTAIN THAT I'VE, I WOULD LIKE A CHANGE. I'M, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE POSITIONS. OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO BE PATIENT. NO, I APPRECIATE IT, [02:00:01] . APPRECIATE IT. SO CURRENTLY IN THIS BUDGET, THE BUDGET WE'RE OPERATING INTO RIGHT NOW, FY 25, THERE ARE THREE MAINTENANCE POSITIONS IN THE JAIL STAFF. THEY'RE NOT THE, THEIR JOB IS TO MAINTAIN THE JAIL. MM-HMM . SO I'M, I'M SAYING THEY ARE JAILERS, BUT THEIR JOB IS TO MAINTAIN THE JAIL. THE GOAL IS TO TAKE THOSE THREE POSITIONS AND MOVE 'EM INTO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. AND IS THAT THIS CALLED JAIL TECHNICIAN SALARY? IT'S ONE OF THE THREE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THREE. THE OTHER TWO ARE IN THE LINE ITEM ABOVE YOU. DO YOU SEE IT THAT THAT GOES UP FROM 1 76 TO 2 27 TECHNIC SALARY? YEP. YES. UHHUH . SO WE WOULD BE ADDING BASICALLY A SUPERVISOR AND TWO TECHNICIANS ON THE JAIL SIDE. SO WE'RE, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING THOSE THREE POSITIONS AND MOVING THEM UNDER THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO THE SUPERVISOR, THE TWO TECHNICIANS WE'RE GOING FROM 1 76 TO 2 27. AND THAT INCLUDES THOSE TWO? YES. SO THAT'S $51,000 FOR TWO PEOPLE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO PEOPLE. THAT SEEMS LOW, BUT I, I AGREE. AND, AND FRANKLY, THE JAIL TECHNICIAN, I, AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT, SO I'LL BE CORRECTED. 98,000 FOR A SUPERVISOR OF TWO PEOPLE SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MOVED TWO AND KEPT ONE. IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MOVED TWO AND KEPT ONE. AND THEN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS $98,000 SALARY FOR THIS SERGEANT LEVEL, ARE THEY, THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST MAINTENANCE AT THE JAIL NOW. ARE THEY PART OF THE HEADCOUNT FOR, I MEAN, IF WE GOT, SO LET, LET, LET ME CLARIFY THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. MOVE TWO, KEPT ONE. UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WANTED TO KEEP ONE GUY THERE WHO, WHO ESSENTIALLY ESCORTS MAINTENANCE PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND STANDS WITH THEM. AND, AND IS THAT THE SERGEANT OR THAT THAT IS, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY THOUGH? UH, YES. ONE OF THESE NOTES. DETENTION CENTER MAINTENANCE. SO THAT'S THE ONE. UM, WE'RE GONNA PULL IT OUT. LEAVE, LEAVE THE MONEY THERE, TAKE THE HEADCOUNT, BUT LEAVE THE MONEY FOR THE SHERIFF TO ALLOCATE. BUT, BUT WE'RE MISSING A TECHNICIAN TO MAINTENANCE. YEAH. SO I'M SAYING LIKE, SO WE, WE DIDN'T GET TWO TECHNICIANS. WE DID. NO, WE NEED ANOTHER TECHNICIAN IN ORDER FOR THAT PLAN TO WORK. WE MISSED IT BY A TECHNICIAN. IF SO, IS THIS JAIL TECHNICIAN AT 98,000? IS THIS A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER? NO. ESSENTIALLY, NO. IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S SUPERVISING PEOPLE. SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS HIGH TO SAY ONE GUY'S GONNA SUPERVISE TWO PEOPLE FOR $98,000 IF SOMETHING SEEMS WEIRD. BECAUSE IN THE HEAD COUNT, SOMETHING DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT OVER HERE EITHER. BECAUSE IF WE'RE LEAVING THE, THE JAIL TECHNICIAN SALARY ON THE, UH, JAIL OPERATION SIDE, WHY IS IT IN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET? IT SHOULD BE OVER THERE. SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS AREA WHERE, WHAT'S THE OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING AT? AND IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE TWO PEOPLE. AND THEN, SO LIKE THAT'S MAYBE WHERE OUR ADDITIONAL ONE WENT IS I THINK THOSE ARE TWO PEOPLE IN THAT. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A PERSON ADDED TO THE TECHNICIAN THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I THINK THERE'S THREE PEOPLE HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK ONE OF 'EM IS REALLY THAT SERGEANT, I THINK THAT'S STILL OVER IN JAIL OPERATIONS. I DON'T SEE, NO, I, NO, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BASED UPON THE NUMBERS THAT WE WENT THROUGH. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO, SO YEAH, THAT'S TWO PEOPLE. BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T NOTICE THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST CALLING ONE OF THEM JAIL TECHNICIAN, TWO PEOPLE, A JAIL TECHNICIAN SALARY. YES. MAKES THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA STAY IN THE JAIL. MAKES SENSE FOR WHAT YOU SHOWED ME ON HEAD. YES. OKAY. SO, BUT THEN WHAT ABOUT THE JUMP WHERE A LINE ABOVE THAT IN 1 0 3, THAT GOES FROM 1 76 TO TWO, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ADDING, NOW YOU'RE ADDING A BASICALLY KIND OF A SUPERVISOR TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO THOSE, THE $50,000 INCREASE IN 1 0 3 IS ONE PERSON AND THE 98,000 IS TWO PEOPLE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND WE WILL VERIFY THAT. BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT DOING. SO, BUT, BUT OKAY. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RE REPORT THAT FRANK GAVE US, UM, FY 26 ANNUAL BUDGET AND ITS NEW PERSONNEL REQUEST, AND YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE THAT IS MAINTENANCE ON OPERATIONS ON THERE. AND WE'VE GOT THE TECHNICIAN FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, UM, JOB GRADE, UM, LE SIX, AND THAT'S A MAINTENANCE CONNECT TECHNICIAN TWO. SO FULLY LOADED IS 75,812. AND HE APPROVED THAT IN THE FIRST DRAFT. OKAY. BUT THE SECOND LINE SAYS MOVING TWO FROM GEL TO MAINTENANCE. UM, I'M USING GL 1 0 5 AND THEN THAT COMES OUT WITH THOSE TWO AT 75. 588 IS 145,176. YEAH. WE JUST NEED TO VERIFY WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE VERIFY NUMBERS, BUT THE NUMBERS AREN'T, BUT THE NUMBERS AREN'T MATCHING UP IS I'M NO, I AGREE. BUT, BUT I'M SAYING THE INTENT WAS TO MOVE THREE PEOPLE. OKAY. IT'S ONLY TWO. HE, HE, HE APPROVED FOR TWO. THAT, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. AND WITH THE ITERATION TODAY, [02:05:01] WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING THE THIRD, BUT LEAVING THEIR MONEY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. RE REMOVING THE HEADCOUNT. OKAY. . BUT, BUT WE'LL CLEAN IT UP BECAUSE THERE, WE, WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. AND BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, THE NUMBERS AREN'T ADDING UP THAT CLEAR, THAT NUMBER SHOULD, THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 72 5 88 OR, OR 1 45. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, AT LEAST I IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM. MM-HMM . SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WORKING TOWARD A SOLUTION. OH, WE'LL WORK TOWARDS IT. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE HERE, Y'ALL, BUT JUST AS LONG AS I'M GOING, LET'S KEEP GOING. UH, UH, BOBBY, WHERE ARE THE SHERIFF'S CARS COMING OUT OF THAT? WE'RE BUYING, UH, WE BOUGHT THOSE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR OUT OF, UM, OUT OF, UH, CAPITAL, UNUSED CAPITAL. YEAH. AND THAT'S DONE, RIGHT? IT IT IS. THE MONEY HAS BEEN MOVED. WE'VE DONE, OKAY, GREAT. MM-HMM . GOT IT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. UM, OKAY. PAGE 42. THIS IS THE GIS THIS, UM, WE SHOW BOTH A COORDINATOR AND AN ANALYST POSITION. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY FINAL DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED BOTH THOSE POSITIONS, DO WE? UM, NOW THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE EXERCISES THAT COMMISSIONER STACEY WANTED US TO HAVE FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL. RIGHT. HE'S SAYING USE THE, USE THAT COORDINATOR POSITION THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. USE THAT MONEY, MOVE THE FIRE MARSHAL OVER, AND ESSENTIALLY LEAVE FUND 51 ALONE FOR A SHERIFF'S REMODEL. UHHUH. OKAY. GREAT. UM, AND AGAIN, I'M AMBIVALENT. I CAN, I'LL TAKE WHICHEVER SIDE APPEARS TO BE WINNING THAT ARGUMENT AS LONG, AS LONG AS I GET MY FIRE MARSHAL . BUT, BUT THE POINT IS, THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, AND I I'M SORRY IF I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER. UH, JOHN, UM, IS THAT THE GIS COORDINATOR? WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT POSITION RIGHT NOW? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY. UH, UM, I'M GONNA DEAL WITH THAT ON THE SIDE WITH THE AUDITOR, I THINK. OKAY. ROAD BRIDGE. THAT WAS OMINOUS. YEAH, IT WAS MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS. WELL, I'LL STALL HIM IF YOU WANT TO GET A EARLY HEAD START OUT, IF REALLY I'M TRYING START RUNNING. UM, I, I THINK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WANTED TO, BEFORE YOU GET OFF THE GENERAL FUND, I THINK SHE WANTED TO, TO SPEAK TO THE COURT TOO, SIR. YEAH, PLEASE. COME ON. COME ON, KEN. OKAY. WELL, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PREEMPT YOUR NO, I'LL COME BACK. I HAD TO GRAB YOU BEFORE YOU GOT OFF THE I'LL ROAD. PLEASE LET ME TALK BEFORE RODEN BRIDGE. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG CONVERSATION. KEN, NICOLE PEPPER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE THING, UH, AND IT'S IN RESPONSE, UH, OR IN REACTION TO SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP REGARDING POSITIONS. UM, I HAD TALKED TO, WHEN, WHEN THE BUDGET CAME OUT, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WERE FIVE POSITIONS THAT WERE, UH, APPROVED FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE ASKED FOR SEVEN, UM, THERE, BUT THERE ARE FIVE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW COURT. THERE ARE TWO FELONY PROSECUTORS. THERE'S A VAC PARALEGAL, AN INVESTIGATOR, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED. BUT THERE IS ALSO A CLERK, UM, THAT I WAS JUST TOLD WAS NOT APPROVED. UM, AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT IT'S AN OVERSIGHT, BUT THERE IS, UH, THOSE FIVE POSITIONS ARE, ARE APPOINTED TO EVERY SINGLE OTHER COURT. UM, THE CLERK CAN'T BE THAT THERE IF THERE WAS NOT A CLERK ASSIGNED TO THAT COURT. THEY CAN'T BE IN MULTIPLE PLACES AT ONE TIME. UM, THE CLERKS HAVE TO BE IN COURT DURING THE DOCKET. SO THERE HAVE, THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER CLERK, UH, APPOINTED, UM, TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO I'M JUST BRINGING THAT UP. IT MAY BE AN OVERSIGHT, UH, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT MY COMMENTS IN WHILE Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL. SO AGAIN, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE FIRST DRAFT THAT, THAT YOU DID APPROVE THOSE FOUR. I KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT APPROVE THE FINANCIAL CRIMES PROSECUTOR IN THE VAC. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT THIS CLERK THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE COURT, UM, IS NECESSARY FOR THAT NEW COURT. TE TE TELL ME KENDA, UH, BRIEFLY. SO WE, WE APPROVED FOR THIS COURT, UH, ESSENTIALLY TWO CLERKS FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. WHAT DOES A CLERK FOR THE DA DO DIFFERENTLY THAN A DISTRICT CLERK? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE JUDGES REQUIRE THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS A CLERK IN THE COURTROOM AS WELL. THE CLERKS ARE, CLERKS ARE THE ONES THAT TYPE UP OFF ALL THE PLEA BARGAIN AGREEMENTS. UM, THEY HANDLE THE, THAT SIDE OF THINGS. SO THEY'RE, WHEN PLEA BARGAINS ARE GOING ON INSIDE OF THE COURTROOM, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE BUSY THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THEY'RE THERE DURING THE DOCKET PERIOD. [02:10:01] SO, AND, AND WE HAVE CLERKS AS APPOINTED TO EVERY OTHER COURT. AND LIKE I SAID, THE JUDGES, THE JUDGES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE SAID THAT A DA CLERK HAS TO BE IN THERE. SO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT FUNCTION FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK'S, OFFICE CLERKS IN THERE. AND KENDA, UM, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE, UM, MY DATA HERE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UM, KAUFMAN COUNTY HAS, UM, THREE, THREE DISTRICT COURTS AND TWO COUNTY COURT OF LAWS, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING. OKAY. NOW THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A PARALEGAL, AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR ROLE OF A PARALEGAL VERSUS WE USE THE TITLE CLERK MM-HMM . BUT THEIR HEAD COUNT FOR THEIR FIVE, THEIR FIVE COURTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, AND I, AND I DID MAKE PHONE CALLS AND TALK, SO I'M NOT FOR SURE IF MAYBE THERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PARALEGALS VERSUS CLERKS, IF THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO DIFFERENT WITH WHAT YOU, BUT FROM A HEAD COUNT STANDPOINT WITH THREE DISTRICT COURTS AND TWO COUNTY COURT OF LAWS IN KAUFMAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE JUDGES DO IT IN KAUFMAN COUNTY. I KNOW THAT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, THE JUDGES HAVE SAID THE DA'S OFFICE NEEDS TO HAVE A CLERK INSIDE THE COURTROOM. WE HAVE CLERKS ASSIGNED. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VAC AND A CLERK FOR THE OTHER THREE COURTS. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD SHORT ONE COURT, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ALL HAVE TO BE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE DOCKETS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. OKAY. THE CLERK'S OFFICE AT THE DA'S OFFICE IN ROCKWALL, UM, OUR CLERKS DO ALL THE INTAKE. THEY, THEY HANDLE THE CASES FROM THE, THE MINUTE THAT IT WALKS IN THE DOOR FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY DO ALL THE INTAKE. MM-HMM . THEY DO THE INDICTMENTS, THEY DO ALL THE PAPERWORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THEN THEY HANDLE THE CASES WHEN THERE'S PLEA BARGAINS AND, AND ALL THE CASE, RIGHT. ALL THE DISPOSITIONS, ALL THE CLOSEOUTS, EVERYTHING THAT CLERKS AND OTHER COURTS DO. OUR VAX PARALEGALS, THE REASON THAT WE GOT THOSE WAS THEY ARE ALL TRIAL SUPPORT. UM, THEY DO ALL THE DISCOVERY, UM, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE TERABYTES MM-HMM . OF INFORMATION THEY HANDLE, THEY, THEY HANDLE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. SO THEY HAVE VERY DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT ROLES WITHIN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW KAUFMAN DOES THAT. UM, BUT THAT IS HOW WE DO IT. AND WE'VE DONE THAT FOR YEARS NOW. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I WANNA ADDRESS ONE PART OF WHAT THE, THE DISTRICT CLERK IS SAYING ABOUT THIS SAME, SIMILAR SIT SITUATION, JUST SO WE HAVE IT AT THE SAME TIME, IS SHE ASKED FOR FIVE CLERKS FOR HER, AND SHE GOT TWO ON THIS BUDGET. ONE OF THOSE HAS TO BE IN THE COURTROOM. AND SO THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BE ASSIGNED TO THE CRIMINAL SIDE, WHICH LEAVES THE CIVIL SIDE REALLY UNDERSTAFFED. AND THE CIVIL SIDE CURRENTLY ALREADY IS UNDERSTAFFED AT THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. SO IF, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS THAT THE JUDGES ARE COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THINGS QUICK ENOUGH. THEY'VE GOT ATTORNEYS COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THINGS TURNED AROUND QUICK ENOUGH NOW. AND SO IF WE ADD A NEW COURT AND WE DON'T STAFF PROPERLY, IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE IN THAT OFFICE. UM, OUR SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC IS GONNA BE WORSE, AND WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT, UM, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS ASKING, THAT WE GET LEAH'S STAFF PROPERLY AND TWO DOES NOT DO THAT. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS FOUR? DOES THAT FOR SURE, UH, DOES THREE DO THAT? THREE DOES NOT THREE. I MEAN, SHE'LL TAKE IT, IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT SHE GOT SO FAR, BUT THREE STILL LEAVES IT WHERE IT IS TODAY WHEN YOU ADD THE NEW COURT. SO STILL NOT SERVING WELL, IF YOU GO TO FOUR, THEN THAT'S REALLY ONE EXTRA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING ON THE NEW COURT. YEAH. SO, UH, I, I KIND OF WANNA GO BACK AND, AND, AND, AND I AGREE. AND, AND AGAIN, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESSURE IS, I KNOW LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, FINDING THE MONEY FOR IT. BUT THE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE, UH, STARTING A THIRD DISTRICT COURT DOESN'T GET US ANY MORE CASES. NOW I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON PLANTED IN THAT COURT ROOM SO THAT, THAT THAT'S TRUE AND NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. BUT THE CASELOAD IS GONNA BE THE SAME. IT'S INSTEAD OF DIVVIED UP AMONG TWO DISTRICT COURTS, IT'S GONNA BE DIVVIED UP AMONGST THREE DISTRICT COURTS NOW. SO IT SHOULDN'T GO ANY SLOWER. WELL, WHAT YOU, I THINK WHAT MAYBE YOU'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IS THAT THOSE CASES WILL MOVE FASTER NOW BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER COURT. RIGHT? TRUE, TRUE. AND SO HOW DOES ONE PERSON DO MORE WORKLOAD IN ONE DAY? FAIR? YEAH. THAT, AND IF I CAN, THAT, IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT TOO. YOU, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN I MADE MY PRESENTATION. THERE'S A REASON THAT, UH, A NEW COURT WAS APPROVED. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OCA LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS AND SAID THERE ARE TOO MANY CASES, UH, ASSIGNED TO EACH INDIVIDUAL COURT THAT GOES ALONG WITH, THERE'S TOO MANY CASES ASSIGNED TO PROSECUTORS AND TOO MANY CASES ASSIGNED TO THE CLERKS. ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO EASE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. UH, AND, AND WHEN I SAY OVERTIME, I'M TALKING ABOUT PROSECUTORS, PROSECUTORS ARE TAKING ON A LOT OF THE DUTIES, UM, OF THE PROC OF THE CLERKS AND THE VS. BECAUSE I DON'T PAY OVERTIME TO THOSE POSITIONS. SO, AND, AND IT JUST GOES ALSO TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE GONE FOR YEARS WITH THE, THESE STAFF ASSIGNED TO THOSE COURTS. THAT'S HOW, UH, THE JUDGES EXPECT [02:15:01] IT. THAT'S HOW THE PUBLIC ACCEPTS EXPECTS IT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE NOT RECEIVING, UM, COMPLAINTS, UM, ABOUT SLOWDOWNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS, UH, MY STAFF WORKS REALLY HARD, AS DOES THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. SO, UM, I'M, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR THAT I THINK THAT THAT IS UNNECESSARY, UH, THE THE NEW CLERK, BECAUSE AGAIN, AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY CANNOT BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONE TIME. AND AGAIN, JUDGE, I DO WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OTHER POSITIONS. THANK YOU. UM, SO COURT WOULD, WOULD WE BE, UH, OPEN TO MAYBE ADDING THE HEAD COUNT TO THE DA'S OFFICE FOR A CLERK AND THEN LET US EXPLORE FUNDING, FINDING SOME FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT, AND THEN ADDING ANOTHER HEADCOUNT TO THE DISTRICT CLERK WITH AN EYE TO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, UH, RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEE TO PAY FOR THAT CLERK? WOULD WE, IF WE CAN TAKE IT OUTTA THAT? YEAH. I, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, WE'VE TAKEN ONE OUT OF THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE CAN TAKE. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THAT FUND IS. I, I TEND NOT TO LOOK AT A FUND THAT I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. UM, SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, ASK THAT WE DO DO THAT IN OUR LEASE TO FACILITATE OUR NEXT CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER LICHTY. OKAY. UM, I THINK I JUST HAVE TWO MORE POINTS. ONE IS ROAD AND BRIDGE. UH, WELL, BEFORE I DO ROAD AND BRIDGE, BEFORE I FORGET, ONE OF THE THINGS, JUDGE, THAT YOU HAD, UH, PUT ON YOUR LIST OF THINGS WAS ANOTHER ADMIN FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. YES, SIR. UM, MY THOUGHT IS NO. WELL, IT'S DEAD . I MEAN, IF YOUR THOUGHT IS NO, UH, THEN, THEN IT'S JUST BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING AS A, UH, AS AN IMPARTIAL, UH, PERSON. IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YEAH. UM, AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO DIRECT. WE CAN COME TO ME. YEAH. WE, WE, WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT JUST ALL, ALL WE WANT TO QUOTE, UH, COMMISSIONER GAANA AND STACY, I'M JUST ONE VOTE ONE FIRST. YES, YOU ARE. UM, OKAY. UH, LET'S GO TO ROAD AND BRIDGE. UM, UH, I'M ON PAGES 50 AND 51, I THINK. YEP. OKAY. SO, OH, THE ITEM LINE ITEM THREE 50, I THINK THE ESTIMATE THAT THEY HAD CIRCULATED NEEDED 723,000 OR SOMETHING. SO LET'S SAY 725 INSTEAD OF 700. SO THAT TO ME JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THERE. UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT ROAD LINE ITEM ROAD CONSTRUCTION, 3, 3 50 ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. THEY HAD, REMEMBER, UH, ERICA HAD DONE A THING THAT SHOWS HERE TO ALL ROADS WE'RE GONNA DO, AND SHE SHOWED THE MATERIALS WERE LIKE 723,000. SO LET'S SAY 7 25 FOR JUST THE MATERIALS ON THE ONES SHE PLANS TO DO NEXT YEAR. SO I THINK THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE HIGHER. UM, UH, WE HAVE INCREASED, UM, SEE, WHERE AM I? SORRY, Y'ALL, I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH MY OWN SELF HERE. OKAY. WE HAVE CAPITAL I, I'M ON PAGE 51 NOW. UH, WE HAVE CONTRACT SERVICES HAVE GONE UP FROM 200 TO 5 69. CAPITAL OUTLAYS HAVE DECREASED FROM 200 TO ZERO ON 8 0 1. UM, AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT'S THE INTERPLAY WITH THOSE WHEN THIS WAS PREPARED AND THE CONTINGENCY FUND WENT FROM 1 54 TO ZERO. SO DID WE MOVE SOME OF THAT MONEY FROM CONTINGENCY AND CAPITAL OUTLAY INTO CONTRACT SERVICES, OR WHAT WAS THE THINKING THERE? THAT WAS ME, JUDGE. I'LL, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE. UM, UH, CAPITAL OUTLAY, UH, THE REQUEST WAS DENIED FOR THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT WENT FROM 200,000 ZERO. THAT'S THE DOZER TO ZERO. MM-HMM . THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP NEXT. YEAH. UH, ON, SO HOLD THAT, HOLD A LITTLE FOOTNOTE THERE. OKAY. KEEP GOING. OKAY. THEN THE CONTRACT SERVICES, UH, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN CONTINGENCY, UH, I MOVED THE BALANCE TO CONTRACT SERVICES SINCE THERE WAS MENTION MADE, UH, SEVERAL TIMES THIS [02:20:01] FY ABOUT DOING MORE WORK ON COUNTY ROAD. SO I, I SUPPORTED THAT OPTION OF THE COURT IN THAT LINE ITEM INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN CONTINGENCY. AND, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ROAD AND BRIDGES ASKED FOR BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WANT MORE MONEY FOR CONTRACT SERVICES. SO YOU JUST MOVED THE CONTINGENCY FROM THERE. AND THEN THE CAPITAL OUTLAY, THAT'S THE, THE NEW DOZER. UM, UH, AND WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, WAYNE HENSLEY, HE SEEMED PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT NEEDING THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND DID THE REASON IT WASN'T INCLUDED. UM, THE REASON IT WASN'T INCLUDED INITIALLY, UH, WAS I I IT WAS A BIG EXPENSE YES. THAT, UH, OUR CURRENT LOADER, IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY. UH, AND, AND, UH, SINCE THEN, I CAN TELL YOU SINCE IT DIDN'T MAKE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, ERICA HAS COME BACK TO ME WITH A, A LESS EXPENSIVE LEASE OPTION. OKAY. UH, THAT WOULD GET US TO, IF I'M REMEMBERING 40 ISH THOUSAND, UM, SUB 50,000 A YEAR TO GET THE SAME PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OVER A FIVE YEAR LEASE. OKAY. UH, WHICH, WHICH I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF. SO WE CAN, WE MAY STILL GET THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, WHICH I THINK WE NEED, BUT JUST DO IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT FUNCTIONING, DO IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT FUNCTION. OKAY. I'LL PUT, PUT THAT ON MY LIST OF OLD PATIENTS. BUT WITH THE LEASE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT FIVE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD COME OUT AFTER FIVE YEARS, ABOUT TWO 50 VERSUS THE 200,000 THAT THEY'RE ASKING C CORRECT. NOW THE, THE THE MISSING PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I'M, I'M WAITING FOR, WHICH, UH, THERE WAS A MAXIMUM OF A THOUSAND HOURS ANNUALLY. OKAY. UH, THE SALES REP HAS TOLD ERICA VERBALLY THAT NOTHING HAPPENS IF WE GO OVER A THOUSAND WHEN WE TURN THE MACHINE IN AFTER FIVE YEARS. UH, I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT. WELL, I SEE THAT IN WRITING. I DO WANNA SEE THAT IN WRITING. YES, I DO. I BET THAT'S RIGHT. YES, I DO. AND THEN YOU, YOU, YOU DID A FUND BALANCE TRANSFER OF 500,000 IN A ROAD AND BRIDGE AND LAST YEAR YOU DID SIX 50. UM, IF WE ADDED 200,000, IS THERE ANY MORE FUND BALANCE THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED IN 500? IS I THINK I, I THINK THAT'S WHY I WENT SO LOW ON THAT. OKAY. WAS THAT, THAT THAT FUND IS SLOWLY DETERIORATING WHERE THE GENERAL FUND WILL EVENTUALLY, IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, PROBABLY HAVE TO SUPPORT THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND. OKAY. UH, IT'S A VERY MINIMAL, UH, TAX RATE ON IT, AS YOU KNOW, AND THEN OTHER FI FINES, UH, SUPPORTED. BUT, UH, AS I RECALL, THE, THE, THE, THE LARGE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WAS BEING REQUESTED BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE ONE HE CURRENTLY HAS. HE COULDN'T RI DRIVE ON, ON THE MAIN ROAD MAIN, COULDN'T, COULDN'T DRIVE FASTER THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR DOWN A MAIN ROAD. AND UNLESS HE PUT IT ON THE BACK OF A TRAILER. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS A TRAILER NOT AN AER OPTION. AND, AND, UM, DIDN'T GO REAL FAST INTO THE DUMP TRUCKS. THE THE NEW ONE HAS TIRES THAT'LL HIT THE DUMP TRUCK. THIS ONE, THEY HAVE TO GO SLOW, WHICH, UH, AND THE CURRENT ONE I THINK IS PRETTY OLD. I, I MEAN, I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THIS. I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. YOU DON'T THINK I, I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER TI WILL YOU LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER? I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO. THANK YOU. I'LL BE HAPPY TO. YEAH. THANK YOU. I, I, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WAS BROUGHT HAD SIMPLE SOLUTIONS, LIKE PUTTING IT ON A TRAILER AND, AND GO SLOWER WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE LOADING THE DUMP TRUCKS. UM, BUT AGAIN, SO I, WHILE I WASN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION AT 200,000 AT AT 40, 45,000, I, I BECOME INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND YOU, UH, LISA, YOU HAD SAID THAT OUR, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND IS, IS DEPLETING. UM, AND IS THAT AN AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT WE CHARGE THAT COMES FROM THE RED CAR REGISTRATIONS, RIGHT? YES. UM, AND I THINK YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE INCREASING THAT AMOUNT, IS THAT AMOUNT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, IS THAT AMOUNT SET BY STATUTE OR DO WE HAVE FREEDOM TO ADD TO IT? NO. UH, THAT WAS IN ONE OF OUR COUNTY MAGAZINES, WASN'T IT? THAT YOU COULD INCREASE YOUR, UH, ROAD AND BRIDGE FEE. I, I BELIEVE ONE OF Y'ALL BROUGHT THAT UP. I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER M**K THAT BROUGHT IT UP, THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY DO WANNA CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THAT THIS FUND WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR PROJECTS. LET LET, AND BUYING BIG EQUIPMENT. LET'S, LET'S DIG INTO THAT. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE COULD NOT, I THOUGHT WE WERE CHARGING THE MAXIMUM, WHICH IS $10. I THINK IT WENT UP TO 20. I I THINK IT WENT UP TO 20. WELL, LET'S LOOK INTO, THAT'S, LET'S LOOK INTO IT. YOU CAN, I MIGHT HAVE THAT WITH ME. HANG ON. SO, YEAH, BECAUSE IF, IF WE WANNA DEAL WITH IT IN A WAY, IF WE CAN INCREASE IT AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE FUND, WE SHOULD DO THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE [02:25:01] MONEY'S COMING FROM. YEAH. I, I DO LIKE WHERE, WHERE THIS COURT IS GOING. UH, I I LIKE USING THIS FUND TO ACTUALLY DO ROADS. YEAH. TO ACTUALLY GET, GET OUT AND FIX SOME ROADS. OUR CITIZENS WILL APPRECIATE THAT TOO. . THEY CERTAINLY WILL. YEAH. ESPECIALLY THE DRIVE IN THIS MORNING THAT I, I, UH, I STARTED TO CALL AND COMPLAIN TO MYSELF, AS I WAS DRIVING IN TODAY. THAT WAS THE ACCIDENT IN THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE. THAT WAS A MESS. THAT WAS A MESS. AND I KNOW SMITH ROAD COULD USE SOME WORK AND I KNOW, UH, YOU WANT STOP RIGHT THERE. I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE. THERE WE ARE NOT GONNA PLAY. WHOA. WE ARE NOT GONNA PLAY THIS GAME. OKAY. ANYWAY, COULD YOU, YOU GOT THAT INFORMATION, LISA? OR CAN YOU GET IT TO US? 'CAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. AND WITH THAT, MY LIST IS I WILL PASS THE BALL TO THE LOVELY AND TALENTED COMMISSIONER, M**K. WELL LET, LET'S HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION. UM, I, I, I, I, I, I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE APPOINTMENTS HERE. DO, DO WE WANT TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AT 1130? AND, AND LET, LET'S HOLD ON ONE SECOND, FRANK. ONE SECOND. HE'S CHECKING ON MY LICENSE RENEWAL AT ONE O'CLOCK. OKAY. ONE O'CLOCK. SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS. AND, AND, AND IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A BREAK AND THEN LET'S RECONVENE HERE AT TWO O'CLOCK. I, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE? YOU'LL BE FAST. OKAY. SO AT 1127, WE ARE GOING TO BE IN RECESS TILL TWO O'CLOCK. YEAH. AND SO WE CAN HAVE A SOON. ALL RIGHT EVERYONE. THANK YOU. IT'S TWO O'CLOCK. WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR SPECIAL MEETING TO GO OVER BUDGET. WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2026 FIRST DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. AND WE HAVE BEEN TAKING TURNS GOING FROM COMMISSIONER TO COMMISSIONER TO COMMISSIONER. I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK LISA TO ADD ONE THING TO OUR LIST. I WANT TO ADD THREE DISPATCHERS HEAD COUNT IN, BUT NOT FUNDING. LET US SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT FUNDING. BUT I WANT TO ADD THE HEAD COUNT IN. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. UH, SO I THINK I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA JUMP IN FRONT AND GET A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHILE SHE YEAH. GO ORGANIZED. GO AHEAD. TAKE, TAKE THE FLOOR. ORGANIZED, WELL DONE. VERY EFFICIENT USE OF TIME. SO, UM, I SEE THAT WE HAVE A, AT THE JAIL OPERATIONS, WE'VE GOT A DISHWASHER IN THERE AT 84 GRAND. YEAH, WE DO. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE LEASING THAT AND NOT BUYING WHAT, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT'S ON. OH, ON. I DON'T, IT'S ON ONE OF THE PAGES. HEY, COMMISSIONER ALANA, I HAVE AN UPDATED SPREADSHEET. HOLD ON. THAT MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS THAT PART OF IT. OKAY. AND, AND IN FACT, YOU WERE IN ALL THOSE MEETINGS WITH ME. YEP. SO YOU CAN JUST TAKE THE LEAD FROM IT. . YEAH. I WOULD LOVE TO SAVE MONEY THERE. THERE WAS A DISHWASHER AND AN OVEN ISH TYPE DEVICE THAT'S A, THAT WERE HORRIBLY EXPENSIVE. YEAH. SO THE NOTES ON THE BOTTOM ARE MINE, BUT THAT SPREADSHEET IS CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT, UM, SEVERAL THINGS ACTUALLY OUT OF THIS. UM, THE DISHWASHER SHOULD BE OUT. SO 80, 84,000, YOU, YOU, YOU JUST SAVED US MINUS WHATEVER THE LEASE IS GOING TO COST TO. YEAH. THE LEASE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 6, 650 OR 600 A MONTH TOTAL WITH CONCLUDING THE SUPPLIES WE NEED TO RUN IT. HOW LONG IS THE LEASE FOR? WOW. OKAY. WELL DONE. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT. YEAH, WE REALLY ARE. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT. I, I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, UM, SO I SAW WHERE YOU WERE OR WERE PURSUING THAT LEASE AND, AND I'M SO THANKFUL YOU DID. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY SAVINGS THERE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS. THERE'LL BE SAVINGS. SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, SO THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE PROVIDERS IN, IN THE JAIL. SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROVIDER. SO IT'S TAKEN US A LITTLE WHILE TO GET ALL OF THE DUCKS IN A ROW ON THAT. BUT IT WILL BE, ALL THE DUCKS WILL BE IN A ROW BEFORE BUDGET. WE ARE ALMOST THERE. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. WILL, UM, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU PROBABLY SAW WAS THE TILT SKILLET FOR 35,000. YES SIR. THOSE, I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN LEASE A TILT SKILLET ANYWHERE YET. SO MY NEXT MOVE IS TO GO DOWN THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHY THEY NEED A TILT SKILLET, EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THAT. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU BARRY WAS ADAMANT THAT IT IS A VITAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT NOW, WELL, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FROM A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN STANDPOINT. AND THAT'S KIND OF MY BACKGROUND. SO I CAN GO, I JUST WANNA GO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY DID AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS YOUR BACKGROUND. WELL, I MEAN, I HAVE A CONSULTING BUSINESS ALL IN HOSPITALITY, SO YEAH, THAT IS AWESOME. SO I WANNA GO LOOK AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NEED TO, 'CAUSE TILT SKILLETS ARE VERY HARD TO LEASE, BUT OTHER EQUIPMENT [02:30:01] THAT DOES THE SAME THING, UH, OR NOT. AND SO LEASING IS ALWAYS BETTER ON COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT IF, IF THE PAYMENT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE, UM, THE WHOLE TIME YOU LEASE IT, IT'S GONNA BE SERVICED AND IT'S NOT GONNA COST YOU FOR THE SERVICE. AND THEN LIKE ON THE DISHWASHER SIDE, WHEN THE, UM, STUFF THE COMPONENTS NEEDED TO RUN THE DISHWASHER AND THE, UH, THE STUFF THAT COMES WITH THE DISHWASHER IS INCLUDED, THEN IT ENDS UP SAVING YOU MONEY AND REDUCES YOUR RISK GREATLY. AND IT JUST REDUCES YOUR CAPITAL OUTLAY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. SO THAT, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION I HAD TO MAKE SURE WE WERE BUTTONING THAT UP. I THINK THAT'S IT. OH, WHAT IS THE, UM, THIS MAY BE AN AUDITOR QUESTION, OF COURSE. I DIDN'T MARK THE PAGE, BUT THERE'S A, IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE'S AN AUTO INSURANCE FOR 132,000, UM, 400, 484. WHAT ARE WE PAYING INSURANCE ON, ON AUTOS THAT PLEASE. THAT'S A RISK MANAGEMENT QUESTION. OKAY. RISK MANAGEMENT. TAKE, TAKE IT, TAKE CAMMY. I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR PAGES ON, UH, IT'S ON PAGE THREE. OKAY. AND IT IS 404 84. 400 DASH 4 84. $132,090 AUTO INSURANCE. YEAH. BUT WHY DO WE HAVE THAT? WHAT IS THAT FOR? I MEAN, BIG, ARE WE NOT SELF-INSURED? WE'RE INSURED THROUGH THE TAC RISK POOL. YEAH. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S, WELL, LET'S SEE. FOR AUTO LIABILITY AND A PD SHOULD BE 132. MM-HMM . UM, THROUGH TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. IS THAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS YOUR QUESTION? INSURANCE THAT'S INSURING OUR, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR AUTO INSURANCE. OKAY. IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE'RE NOT SELF-INSURED, THAT WE'RE INSURING OUR AUTOS THROUGH SOMEBODY. UH, IT TYPICALLY, BUT BODY THIS BIG WITH THIS KIND OF BUDGET WOULD NOT BE PAYING FOR AUTO IN INSURANCE TYPICALLY. IS IT BECAUSE LIABILITY WE'RE COVERED SOMEWHERE ELSE. RIGHT. IS THIS JUST LIABILITY IN CASE SOMEBODY GETS IN AN ACCIDENT AND INJURES SOMEBODY ELSE? WE HAVE, OR IS THIS COVERAGE? COVERAGE? LIKE WE PAY A DEDUCTIBLE AND THE CAR GETS FIXED AND WE PAY A DEDUCTIBLE. WE HAVE LIABILITY. OKAY. AND AUTO PHYSICAL, UH, DAMAGE. SO WE HAVE BOTH. OKAY. CAN YOU SEND ME A BREAKDOWN ON THAT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THAT POLICY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. JUST WANNA LOOK AT IT. AND IT MAY NOT BE A SAVINGS, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE, IT'S JUST SURPRISING. 'CAUSE TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SELF-INSURE IN A, IN A, SOMETHING WITH THIS BIG A BUDGET. WE WOULDN'T BE GOING OUT IN THE MARKET AND GETTING AN INSURANCE ON A VEHICLE, EVEN THROUGH TAC. BUT SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. OKAY. OKAY. MAYBE SAVINGS THERE, MAYBE NOT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GONNA TRY TO, A LOT OF WHAT I HAD ON MY, ON MY, ON MY LIST FROM GOING OVER EVERYTHING HAS PROBABLY BEEN DISCUSSED. SO I JUST WANNA MAYBE GO OVER A FEW THINGS THAT I'M STILL PASSIONATE ABOUT. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, FIRST OFF, THE CONSTABLES, UM, OR THE JP NUMBER THREE AS FAR AS WANTING THE, THE CLERK POSITION, I DID HAVE, UM, I THINK I HAD, I, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE WHO IN, UM, YOUR OFFICE, LISA SENT THIS TO ME DURING LUNCH, BUT I DID HAVE, UM, THE TRANSACTION OF THE NUMBER FROM THE RECEIPT JOURNAL BY FUND AND BY FEE CODE FROM, FOR, UM, JP NUMBER THREE. AND THEY HAVE HAD AN AVERAGE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF AN INCREASE OF 33%. UM, MAY TO JUNE WAS 42.6%, AND THEN THE OTHERS WERE 20 SOMETHING AND 30 SOMETHING. BUT SO AN AVERAGE OF 33% OF AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF WORK FOR THAT, FOR THAT, UM, OFFICE. AND I, I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, UM, PRIOR TO MAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I SAY SOMETHING, SAY THAT I, I KIND OF SUPPORT THE, THE HEADCOUNT THAT HE'S ASKING FOR, FOR THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, FOR HIS, FOR THE, UM, THE CLERK POSITION. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. UM, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON BOTH THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK AS FAR AS THE HEADCOUNT OR THE, THE, UM, THE CHANGES IN THE, THE, THE POSITIONS AND THE, UM, AS FAR AS BOTH WITH THE DISTRICT CLERK AND WITH THE COUNTY CLERK. I, I HAVE LOOKED AND, AND, AND CAMMY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, BEFORE, BUT THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE REALLY HAVING A, A HUGE TURNOVER. AND I HEARD SOMEONE EARLIER, I THINK IT MAY BE WAS MR. PEAK THAT TALKED ABOUT THE, FROM A TURNOVER STANDPOINT, THE TIMING TO HAVE TO TRAIN, UM, AND, AND, AND THEN VERSUS WHAT IT WOULD COST TO RETAIN PEOPLE. AND MAYBE THAT WAS IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS IN, BUT ANYWAY, WHO WAS IT? THE SHERIFF. OH, THE SHERIFF. OKAY. THAT STILL MENTALITY, I THINK STILL STANDS STANDS VERY STRONG WITH, WITH OUR, UM, THESE TWO POSITIONS, THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS. AND WHAT THEIR, THEIR ASK WERE. SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE NEED TO EITHER LOOK [02:35:01] AT LOOKING AT WAYS TO, I MEAN, SHE, THEY BOTH HAVE ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES IN THEIR, IN THEIR GRADE LEVELS, BUT ALSO, UM, THE, WHICH WOULD ULTIMATELY, HOPEFULLY CHANGE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SALARY LEVELS. AND I, AND I'M, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. UM, I THINK BOTH OF THEM WERE ASKING FOR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A SIX AND 7% ADJUSTMENT. SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE, WE, WE LOOK AT THAT AND, AND TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN EVALUATE IT. UM, MOST OF THESE, UH, THAT I HAVE, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER. UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT, UH, A GRANT WRITER IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADD AS A HEADCOUNT. UM, I LOOKED AT SOME GOVERNMENT GRANT WRITERS AND WHAT THE AVERAGE SALARIES WERE, UM, OR WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE FEE WOULD BE FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THAT A, THAT A A LOT OF EVEN NON-PROFITS, THEY USE GRANT WRITERS AND THERE ARE SOME VERY, ONE GOOD ONES OUT THERE. AND AGAIN, JUDGE, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF GRANTS WE ARE WANTING TO, TO WRITE PER YEAR AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AS FAR AS COST SAVINGS, IF THERE WOULD BE SOME. BUT, UM, I'M NOT, RIGHT ON THE SURFACE RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF US ADDING ANOTHER HEADCOUNT FOR A GRANT WRITER. UM, THEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE IN THERE FOR THE HEADCOUNT, UM, FOR A PART-TIME OR FOR A CLERK ADDING A CLERK IN THAT, IN THAT GROUP. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US, AND I THINK CARISSA PRESENTED THIS FROM THAT, FROM HER AREA, THAT SHE HAS A PART-TIME PERSON THAT IS WORKING, UM, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 25 HOURS. IT WAS AT 20, 25 HOURS A WEEK. SO I'M NOT, AGAIN, I I, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT MY NOTES FROM WHEN THEY PRESENTED. AND SO TO ADD ANOTHER CLERK, UM, FULL-TIME CLERK FOR THAT GROUP, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS AT. UM, BACK TO, UM, THE, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE POSITIONS TO SUPPORT THE DISTRICT CLERK, UH, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE NEW DISTRICT COURT. UM, I, I DID CONFIRM THAT, THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER WAYS TO MAYBE FUND THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY SB 22 JUDGE WOULD BE MAYBE ONE OF THOSE, THOSE SOURCES SHOULD WE WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, UM, WITH THE ADDED PERSONNEL FOR THAT. SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT ONE OUT. UM, UNDER THE ELECTIONS, UM, HEADCOUNT THAT WE HAD, OR NOT HEADCOUNT, BUT UNDER THE ELECTIONS, UM, REQUEST, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A MERIT, UM, INSTEAD OF IN LIEU OF A MERIT INCREASE TO MAKE THOSE SOME CHANGES WITH THE, UM, WITH THE JOB GRADES. AND, AND I, I DO RECALL THE PRESENTATION THEY MADE AND, AND THE, AND THE, THE WHY FOR, FROM THAT STANDPOINT OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO, UM, COM YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH US. AND SO I'M, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO. I KNOW IT DIDN'T MAKE IT IN IN YOURS, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A, I I, I KIND OF, I KIND OF VIEW ELECTIONS AS, YOU KNOW, IF WE MAKE SOME MA IF WE MAKE SOME MISTAKES, IT'S, IT'S JUST GOT A LOT OF BAD PRESS. AND, AND IF WE'VE GOT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE HAPPY IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THEY ARE, UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE, THE STATISTICS WE WERE GIVEN MAYBE ARE EARNING A LITTLE LESS, WE, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT IN, REMIND ME, DIDN'T THEY WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST? WELL, LEMME SHOW. OKAY. MAYBE I READ THIS WRONG THEN. GOOD. THEY THEY DID RE RE, OKAY, HERE, LET ME SEE WHERE IT'S AT. EXCUSE ME. THEY WITHDREW THEIR REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY CLERK, BUT THEY STILL HAD A REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY YES. GOT IT. CHANGE THE SALARY. YES. THE, UM, THE, THEY HAD THREE. UM, SO THEY, AND, AND WE, WE SAID, NO, NO, NO TO ALL OF 'EM. AND THE SUPERVISOR FROM A JOB GRADE 13 TO 16, THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR FROM A JOB GRADE 12 TO 13, AND FROM A SENIOR CLERK FROM 11 TO 12. AND, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS SAYING THAT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE HERE. UM, AND THEN THE TREASURER IS IN HERE. AND SO MR. PEAK, I, I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE NEW PERSONNEL REQUEST, UM, ADDENDUM THAT WE RECEIVED. AND I, I, I, I KIND OF GOT CONFUSED 'CAUSE I REMEMBER YOUR PRESENTATION AND I NEED TO FIND IT RIGHT HERE. UM, BUT, AND I SAID TO MY, I WROTE MYSELF MY NOTE JUST TO REVIEW THE PRESENTATION AND I DID. BUT YOU'VE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE SET A SALARY ADJUSTMENT FOR, UM, EVERYONE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. BUT WE, WE, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT WITH ANYONE. AND I'M NOT FOR SURE IF THAT WAS A CONVERSATION, IF THAT WAS JUST MAKING YOUR FIRST PASS OR WAS THAT WITHDRAWN? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY HERE WHETHER IT WAS OR WASN'T. OH, I, I I HAVE NO IDEA. UM, SO I, THERE THERE WERE MANY SALARY REQUESTS THAT, [02:40:01] UH, I, I DENIED AND WENT BACK AND GAVE THEM THE STANDARD 4% MM-HMM . UH, WHICH, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AS A BUDGETING BODY OF E WE, WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE COUNTY. AND THEN PEOPLE COME IN AND, AND, AND TRY TO TRY TO, UH MM-HMM . PEEL US OFF AND, AND THEIR, THEIR DEPARTMENTS. SURE. AND, AND PRETTY SOON WE LOOK UP AND, UM, RIGHT. BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY THIS MORNING WITH SOME OTHERS. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF, WELL, WE DO THAT EVERY, EVERY, EVERY, SO I, I JUST, BUT THESE WERE ONES THAT I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND, AND THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, IT WAS NO. AND SOME OF THEM WE'VE SAID YES ON SOME AND NO, AND, AND THE OTHERS. SO I JUST, THAT ONE KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME ON, ON THAT. SO, UM, OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UM, AND I, I BELIEVE, UM, COMMISSIONER LTY ISN'T BACK YET, BUT RIGHT BEFORE WE LEFT FOR LUNCH, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE ONE REQUEST FOR THE, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THE ADMIN POSITION THAT WE HAD PUT IN THERE. AND I KNOW THAT IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS YES, BUT WITH NO FUNDING TO IT. AND HE WAS OF, OF THE OPINION BEFORE WE LEFT THAT HE DIDN'T, UM, NEED THE, HE DIDN'T NEED THE POSITION. AND, UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF BECAUSE ANYONE ELSE CAN, BUT WITH, WITH, UM, WITH SOME OF THE NEW RESPONSIBILITIES, JUDGE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING FROM A PROBATE STANDPOINT, IT REALLY IS GOING TO, TO DIMINISH THE, UM, THE SUPPORT, UH, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FOR MYSELF. OKAY. AND HOPE I, AND I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, AND I, I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF ADMIN I DO FOR MYSELF IN ADDITION TO THE JOB I HAVE. AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I WANT THIS JOB AND EVERYBODY KNOWS I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS JOB, BUT I DO FIND MYSELF, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING HOME AT NIGHT AND HAVING TO DO ADDITIONAL ADMIN WORK SO THAT I GET, GET THINGS NEED THAT NEED TO BE GETTING TO GET OUT. SO I AM, I AM WANTING, I, I THINK WITH THE WAY THIS, THE COUNTY IS GROWING AND SO FORTH, AND THE DEMANDS ON EACH OF US IN THIS COMMISSIONER COURT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US NOT TO HAVE ONE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WITH THE NEW ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, BE USED FOR THE CURRENT, FOR FELICIA CURRENTLY WITH, WITH YOU JUDGE, AND WITH THE, AND WITH OUR, EVEN OUR CURRENT AGENDAS FOR COURT. SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT PUT BACK ON THE TABLE AND AT LEAST PUT IN AND LET'S LOOK AT IT WHEN WE TRY TO DO A, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT PASS. UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I HAD HERE THAT I NEEDED TO TALK TO, TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SORRY, TALKED ABOUT THAT. JUST MAKING SURE, LISA, ON PAGE 1 28, AND LET ME JUST LOOK AT THIS, THIS NOTE THAT I HAD, I MADE THIS LAST NIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE, AND I DIDN'T PUT VERY MUCH CLARIFICATIONS ON IT, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TRIP 21 ON PAGE 1 28, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT HERE AS FAR AS THE STATEMENT OF INEPTNESS, CAN YOU, I I, I KIND OF WAS READING THROUGH IT, BUT IS TRIP 21, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE NOT TAKEN ANY OUT, SO, BUT WHERE IS IT REFLECTED AT? IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY BONDS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO MONEY TO BE INDEBTED FOR HERE. RIGHT. SO IT'S IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT IT'S ON, IT'S ON, JUST IN THE GEN WE SEE IT, WE SEE, WE DON'T SEE ANY OF THE MONEY IN, AT ANY OF THE OTHER REPORTS IN HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. NO. ALL RIGHT. NO. OKAY. YOU ONLY HAVE AN AUTHORIZATION AT THIS POINT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUANCE. ANY ISSUANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT, GUYS. CAN CAN YOU JUST REAL, AND THIS IS MAINLY FOR MELISSA AND, AND LISA, SUMMARIZE. SO I GOT THAT YOU WANT TO ADD THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK STAFF BACK JUST FOR THEIR SPREADSHEET. UH, WHAT, WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE THAT, OKAY. UM, EXCUSE ME. UM, I, I, I STARTED OUT WITH THE JP NUMBER THREE WITH THE JP, YEAH. OKAY. JP THREE AND THAT, AND I THINK THAT, THAT HE PUT INITIALLY A CLERK, BUT HE ALSO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PART-TIME. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THAT'S GOING TO BE, IF THEY WERE TALKING THAT THE PART-TIME WOULD BE HELPING WITH CONSTABLES AND HELPING WITH THE, WITH THE JP THREE. I, I, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ON, ON THAT REQUEST THAT, THAT HE HAD. OKAY. SO I'VE KIND OF, I CLIPPED THEM IN TOGETHER. UM, OKAY. BASED ON, SO CLERK FOR JP THREE MM-HMM . A CLERK FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE DISTRICT CLERK, AND THE COUNTY CLERK. WE, WE TURNED DOWN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OFFERS. UH, WE YOU SAID NO TO 'EM. THEIR, THEIR REQUEST. THEIR REQUEST, YES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. YEAH, I KNOW WE DID. AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE. SO, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I SAID, AS FAR AS WE HAVE, WE HAVE [02:45:01] A REQUEST FOR A PART-TIME CLERK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND SO YOU, YOU DON'T WANT, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A PART-TIME CLERK IN THERE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO ARE WE GONNA CHANGE, CHANGE? NO, WE, WE, WE HAVE A TEMP. A TEMP. YEAH. WELL, I THOUGHT SH OKAY. A, A, A TEMP, BUT, SO, AH, AND JUST REAL QUICKLY, MY, MY WHOLE REASONING THERE IS THIS WOULD BE UNDER ERICA AND SHE COULD USE IT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . INSTEAD OF EACH DEPARTMENT GETTING THEIR OWN TEMP OR SO WE'D KEEP THE TEMP FOR CARISSA AND THEM, THE, THE, THE, THE TEMP WOULD NOT HAVE ANY WORK TO DO. OKAY. SO THE TEMP WOULD GO AWAY. OKAY. WE'D HAVE A CLERK UNDERNEATH ERICA TO ASSIGN TO ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A CLERK AND ADDING AND, AND KEEPING THE, I CALLED IT A PART-TIME. THERE, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO WORK FOR THE TEMP. OKAY. IF WE HAVE A CLERK. GOT IT. I'M WITH YOU. OKAY. UM, SO OKAY. WAS AND, AND THE ADMIN, I JUST YEAH. FOR THE YES. THE ADMIN AND THEN THE DA, I JUST, I JUST THREW OUT THOSE POSITIONS. WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF LOOK AND SEE IF THAT, THAT, SO THEIR CLERK POSITION COULD BE SB 22, THE ONE, THE COUPLE THAT WE DENIED OR YOU PUT NO ON IN IN THE FIRST PASS. AND MAYBE EVEN THE INVESTIGATOR VEHICLE COULD BE AN SB 22. I, I WROTE THAT DOWN. SO YES. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. NOW SB 22 ON UNDER THE DA'S SIDE IS ONLY FOR ADDING TO GOT STAFF. IT'S NOT EQUIPMENT LIKE THE SHERIFF'S SIDE. SO WE, WE COULD, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, DIFFERENT. WE CAN'T DIRECT THE DA, THE SB 22 FOR THE DA IS THE DA'S MONEY. RIGHT. WE, WE, WE CONTROL THE SHERIFF'S MONEY, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SHERIFF'S MONEY, WE CONTROL HOW THAT'S SPENT. WE DON'T CONTROL HOW THE, THE DA OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S UNDER THE DA. BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT OF ADDING HEAD COUNT AND YEAH. AND THEN LETTING HER FUND IT WITH SOME SB 22 FUNDS. YOU COULD, YOU COULD ROTATE OUT A SHERIFF VEHICLE A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND GIVE IT TO THE INVESTIGATOR. ENROLL IN A NEW VEHICLE. OKAY. I'M, I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND, AND THEN FIND THE INVESTIGATOR VEHICLE THAT WAY. RIGHT. BE A WAY YOU COULD DO IT. UM, I'LL JUST COMMENT QUICKLY ON THE GRANT WRITER. I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING POSITION TO LOOK AT. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US KNOW HOW MANY GRANTS ARE OUT THERE, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. I WOULD AGREE. AND IF, IF, AND REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY BUDGETED EVERY YEAR. AND SO IF THE, IF IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK OUT AND WE'RE NOT SEEING A GOOD RETURN, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE NEXT BUDGET. BUT I, I THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. MM-HMM . AND THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO THE TAXPAYER, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE GRANT WRITER. THERE COULD BE SOMEONE WHO'S PROFESSIONAL AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. AND IT'S HARD FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY ALL ARE. THE ONES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ARE TYPICALLY BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THOSE RUNNING THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GETTING THE GRANTS. MM-HMM . AND, UM, AND, BUT THERE ARE TONS OUT THERE THAT, THAT WE CAN USE. I'M SURE. I I I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL HEARSAY, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE CAN GET A GRANT WRITER AND HAVE NO BUDGETARY IMPACT. THAT, THAT THE GRANTS WILL, WILL PAY, PAY FOR THEIR MANAGING AND APPLYING FOR THE GRANTS. MM-HMM . AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. RIGHT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING OTHER THAN ADDING TO THE HEAD COUNT AND THEN EXPLORING THAT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. SOMETIMES WHEN WE ADD TO THE HEADCOUNT, YOU, UM, THEN REALLY CAN'T TAKE IT THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TAKE THAT POSITION OFF. I DON'T FIND THAT DIFFICULT AT ALL. . I KNOW I CAN, I CAN TAKE SOME, UH, UM, I TAKE SOME OFF. UM, OKAY. I I, I JUST KNOW THAT, THAT A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY THE, A MAJORITY OF THE NON-PROFITS, THEY USE GRANT, BUT THEY, THEY USE GRANT WRITERS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT UNDER THAT, THAT, UM, NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. SO THEY'RE OUT THERE. SO CONTRACT WISE, YES. MM-HMM. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT, THAT SUMMARY. I'M AGAIN, MAINLY FOR MELISSA AND LISA. HEY, THIS IS, WE NEED TO SEE SOME NUMBERS. UH, COMMISSIONER GUANA, I THINK YOU DID SOME PREEMPTIVE QUESTIONS. DID THAT COVER COVERED IT? UH, YEAH. I MEAN, UH, EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GOT HAS, HAS BEEN COVERED. UM, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DISTRICT CLERK. THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT CONSTABLE PAY, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES. I, I THINK I'M COVERED FOR EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO QUESTION. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, DID WE COVER, UH, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. DID YOU GET YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE? DON'T ANSWER THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT. YES, I DID. BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE BEEN GETTING YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE RENEWED FOR 40 SOME YEARS NOW, WHATEVER IT IS IN TEXAS, YOU NOW HAVE TO BRING A PASSPORT. SO IF YOU GO TO RENEW IT AND DON'T HAVE YOUR PASSPORT, YOU GET TO DRIVE HOME AND GO GET YOUR PASSPORT. [02:50:01] I DIDN'T NEED THAT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. EVERYBODY BETTER THEN YOU NEED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. OOF. IS THIS A STATE REQUIREMENT? YES. OR IS THIS OUR LOCAL? OH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WOULDN'T BEND ON IT. SHE THE, SHE DIDN'T BEND ON IT, SO I GOT TO GO HOME AND SEE MY WIFE AGAIN. AND, AND YOU WERE HAPPY? I COULD TELL. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, SORRY ABOUT BEING LATE, Y'ALL. THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING. YOU, YOU ARE FINE. COMMISSIONER STACY, DID YOU GO THROUGH, I I, I JUST HAVE A, I HANDED THIS OUT 'CAUSE THIS IS PART OF, UM, KIND OF THE READJUSTMENT OF THE, THE REQUEST, SO I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT. UM, THIS IS A REQUESTED IS JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE OF WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET. 'CAUSE WHAT WAS PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT WASN'T QUITE WHAT BARRY WAS ATTEMPTING TO PUT IN THE BUDGET. WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT IS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT. WHAT IS LEAVING THE BUDGET IS MY OPINION OF WHAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER. UM, THAT IS AN, AN $800,000 DIFFERENCE. UM, THE MAIN POINT OF THAT WOULD BE THE LIGHTING OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE REALLY UNDER VALUING HOW IMPORTANT THAT PROJECT REALLY IS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF LIGHT SWITCHES IN THAT BUILDING. SO THIS IS DESIGNED TO RUN ON A COMPUTER PROGRAM. IT'S DESIGNED TO RUN WITH SOFTWARE THAT IS BROKEN. AND UM, WE HAVE TO FIX IT BECAUSE WE, TO REWIRE THE WHOLE BUILDING TO LIGHT SWITCHES WOULD COST MORE THAN $711,000 TO FIX THE COMPUTER PROGRAM. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, THAT THIS JUST BECOMES A LOT OF MONEY. AND, AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 91 0.001, I BELIEVE IT IS WHERE IT SAYS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT SHALL MAINTAIN COUNTY BUILDINGS AND WE HAVE A COUNTY BUILDING THAT ISN'T THAT, THAT HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT. I KNOW THAT IT MAKES SOME FOLKS NERVOUS, BUT I WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO LOOK AT FUND BALANCE TO COVER IT. IT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE THAT WILL GET US DOWN THE ROAD FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS. IT'S A BIG PROGRAM. UM, AND IT'S, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY SERIOUSLY LOOK AT. THIS IS NOT AN EASY FIX. UM, THIS WOULD BE EXPANDING THE PROGRAMMING FROM THE REDO OF THE THIRD FLOOR COURTROOMS THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILDING. SO IT'S ALL ON ONE PROGRAM. UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE NOT AS EASY TO MAINTAIN AS WE WANT THEM TO BE, ESPECIALLY BIG OLD GOVERNMENT COURTHOUSES. UM, AND SO THERE'S LIGHTS THAT DON'T TURN ON. THERE'S LIGHTS THAT DON'T TURN OFF. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OVERRIDES BEING DONE. AND WE'VE LIMPED THIS ALONG REALLY FAR. SO WHAT THE SHEET YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU SAYS, UM, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER POINT THAT I REALLY WANNA BELABOR. UM, IS THAT IF WE DRAIN FUND 51 TO THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE MATH ON THIS SHEET IS. THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE LEFT FOR US. THE, THE 1.7 MILLION IS WHAT FUND BALANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE USED TO FINISH A SHERIFF'S PROJECT AND DO ALL THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT'S WHAT THE MATH IS, THAT'S WHAT THIS SHEET IS SAYING. NOW I'M GONNA HAVE THE AUDITOR DOUBLE CHECK ALL THIS MATH. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S EXACTLY PERFECT, BUT IF YOU WANTED IT, I'M JUST EXPLAINING THE SHEET. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I CALCULATED. SO I'M TAKING ALL THE FUND 51 MONEY THAT I, THAT I REARRANGED AND SAYING WE'RE GONNA USE ALL THAT FOR THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT. AND THAT'S THE EIGHT AND THAT'S THE 8 56. 4 0 8. YES. THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE LEFT. THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE UNFUNDED OF THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT. AND THEN THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THE DIFFERENCE IS FROM WHAT'S IN THE FIRST DRAFT TO WHAT I'M PROPOSING WE SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE, ON THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE SIDE. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS NOT DESIGNED FOR US TO NECESSARILY MAKE MOTIONS AND VOTE ON IT, BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS THAT'S $1.7 MILLION. ALRIGHT. SO I'VE GOT A A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT. NOT NOT WITH THE, THE, YOUR, YOUR HEART OR WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, UH, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE A SHERIFF'S REMODEL THAT'S ONGOING MM-HMM . AND, AND SOMEBODY WHO'S SPENT THEIR CAREER IN CONSTRUCTION. WE THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST, BUT EVERY PROJECT WE HAVE GOING IS, IS GONNA COST MORE THAN, THAN WHAT WE THINK WE HAVE. UH, COURTROOMS BEING A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON AND, AND WE HAVE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD OF THE LIGHTING ON THE NEW COURTHOUSE. BUT WE HAVE A WORKAROUND FOR IT WHILE NOT IDEAL. UH, THERE, THERE IS A WORKAROUND. I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THESE PROJECTS DONE ALLOCATING [02:55:01] FUND BALANCE, UH, OVER $700,000 FOR LIGHTING IN, IN THE NEW COURTROOM. LET, LET US GET THE COURTROOMS DONE. LET US GET THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL DONE. AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE CAN LOOK AT, OKAY, THE, THE LIGHTING IS, IS, IS UP. WHAT'S THE WORKAROUND? UH, THEY PUT IN SWITCHES, BUT HE, UH, MR. UH, COMMISSIONER STACY IS CORRECT. IT'S ALL MEANT TO BE, UH, UH, COMPUTERIZED AND TURN ON AND TURN OFF REMOTELY AND, AND ON TIMERS. BUT WHENEVER, UH, A CERTAIN AREA GOES OUT, THEY JUST COME IN AND WIRE IN A SWITCH AND, AND IT STAYS ON. SO IT IS, SO AS THE SYSTEM DECLINES AND WE LOSE FUNCTIONALITY IN IT, AND A SECTION OF IT GOES OFF, THEY JUST GO IN AND PUT A SWITCH IN THE ROOM AND WHAT'S AFFECTED, ESSENTIALLY TURN IT ON AND, AND, AND THAT LIGHT STAYS ON. OH, IT STAYS ON. IT STAYS, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN IT ON OR OFF. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I, I THINK BARRY'S EXPLANATION TO ME IS, OKAY, WE, WE TURN THE LIGHT ON AND IT STAYS ON. SO AS I TAPE YEAH, NO, IT, IT, IT ABSOLUTELY IS ELECTRICITY. NO, I'LL BE PAYING MORE ELECTRICITY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING. DON'T YOU THINK HE MEANT IT STAYS ON UNTIL SOMEBODY TURNS IT OFF? NO, NO. I THINK HE MEANT IT STAYS ON. IT DOESN'T GO OFF. YOU CAN NEVER TURN A LIGHT OFF. NO, NO. YOU CAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO GET INTO THE WALL AND LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NOT A LIGHT SWITCH. WELL, IT'S NOT A LIGHT SWITCH ON A WALL THAT YOU CAN TURN ON AND ON. THEY DON'T EXIST. PUT SWITCH. SO THE SWITCH ISN'T A LIGHT SWITCH. WE'RE PUTTING IN A SWITCH THAT JUST POWERS IT ON. YES. PERMANENTLY. YES. I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, JUDGE ON THIS ONE. AND, UH, SO COMMISSIONER STACEY, WHEN YOU SAY HERE, UM, I GET THE DIFFERENCE IS 8 88 MM-HMM . THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FUND BALANCE. WHAT IS THAT THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRAINING FUND 51 TO, TO WHAT WOULD BE LEFT? AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM. SO IF WE TOOK THE EXTRA MONEY IN FUND 51, PUT IT ALL IN THE SHERIFF PROJECT, WE PUT IT ALL IN THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, WE'D STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH 8 56. OKAY. YES. OR, OR WE COULD DELAY THE SHERIFF'S THE SECOND PHASE TWO OR THREE, BUT THAT WOULD THREE PART OF IT. YEAH. THAT'D BE PHASE THREE, PART THREE. WE COULD DELAY IT TILL NEXT YEAR AND YOU COULD BE FUNDED. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THIS YEAR, GETTING PHASE ONE AND TWO DONE. BUT, OKAY. I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR PRODUCING THIS. SO I WANT TO JUST CALL OUR ATTENTION TO REPLACING THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE DOORS. AND I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, AND ALTHOUGH 130,000 SOUNDS LIKE A WHOLE LOT TO DO TO, TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I, I WORK UP HERE A LOT LATE AT NIGHT. OKAY. AND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A WAY TO FIX THOSE SO THEY CAN BE LOCKED. AND THEN WE USE THE, UM, THE, THE, UM, FIRST FLOOR, I GUESS THE, UM, HANDICAPPED AREA TO GO IN AND OUT. BUT, UM, I DO THINK THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING. AND I DO, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, THAT COME AND, AND JUST WALK AROUND TO LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, THE PICTURES. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN YOU JUDGE OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT JUST CAME TO LOOK AT IT. SO I'M, I'M I, I, I'M OKAY IF WE WANT TO, IF WE, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN. BUT I BELIEVE THESE DOORS NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED PROBABLY FROM MORE OF A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW, FIX 'EM TO WHERE WE KEEP THE DOORS, THE HISTORICAL DOORS WE HAVE, BUT WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO CREATE, HOW TO FIX THAT MECHANISM THAT'S NOT WORKING. 'CAUSE MOST OF THEM REALLY DON'T WORK. I MEAN, I KIND OF GONE OUT ALL, ALL FOUR OF THE DOORS. SO I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DO IT IN THIS, IN THIS. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF SEE WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR MOUNT IS, IS SHRINKING VERY MUCH WHAT WE CAN USE. BUT THIS IS A, THIS IS A, IT COULD BE A SAFETY HA A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL. YEAH. I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT. PLUS YOU CAN SEE THE OUTSIDE THROUGH ALL THE DOORS MM-HMM . WHICH IT CAN'T BE GOOD. IT CAN'T BE VERY EFFICIENT. BUT IS THIS FOR LIKE, REPLACING WITH WOOD DOORS, 130 GRAND? YES. OR IS THIS FOR REPLACING WOOD DOORS THAT LOOK LIKE WOOD? THE, THE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE DID THIS, THIS WOULD BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REPLACE IT WITH WOOD AND DO WE HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM WITH WOOD? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME DEBATE ON THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT NOT BEING ACTUAL WOOD. MM-HMM . BUT DO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE DOORS WITH ACTUAL WOOD? BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, IT DOESN'T, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? CAN, CAN YOU DEFINE IS OH, SO YOU'RE SAYING DO WE HAVE TO NO. YES, WE DON'T HAVE TO. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S OUR CHOICE. WE GET TO CHOOSE. BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH WOOD DOORS IS THE FACT THEY DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T LAST OVER TIME. ESPECIALLY IN THE CLIMATE HERE THAT DON'T LAST OVER TIME. MM-HMM . AND SUPPLIERS IS A PROBLEM. THERE'S NOT A LOT, LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BUILD THEM ANYMORE. I THINK WE CAN DO IT FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS IF THEY'RE NOT ACTUAL WOOD, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE WOOD CAN. DANA, CAN I ASK YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THE DOORS DON'T WORK, WHAT DOESN'T WORK? OKAY. SO ON NEARLY EVERY DOOR, ONE SIDE WILL WORK, BUT ONE SIDE WON'T WORK. SO YOU CAN PUSH IT. YOU MEAN AS FAR AS [03:00:01] A CRASH DOOR GOES? YEAH. YEAH. WELL THE, YEAH. THAT'S THE ONLY HANDLE TO PUSH OPEN MM-HMM . TO GET THE DOOR TO GO OPEN. SO YES. BUT, BUT THEY STAY LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE. UH, NOT IF SOMEONE, RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T CLOSE ALL THE WAY. SO THERE'S MANY NIGHTS WHEN I'M LEAVING, YOU KNOW, LATE AFTERNOONS AND I'M LEAVING, AND WHOEVER THE LAST PERSON WAS, THEY JUST DIDN'T STAY BEHIND AND PUSH THE DOOR REAL HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT IT CLOSED AND IT CONNECTED. AND, UM, AND SO THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE, A LITTLE SPACE IN 'EM WHERE THEY HAVEN'T CLOSED YET. WELL, WE GOTTA BE SAFE. UM, IT SOUNDS, I BOBBY, I AGREE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO REPLACE EIGHT DOORS OR WHATEVER IT IS. MM-HMM . BUT HEY, FIND CHEAP, CHEAPER WAY DO IT. COMMISSIONER STACEY HAS, HAS BARRY GOT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO, TO, TO THIS, THIS ONE QUOTE. YEAH. DOING, DOING ALUMINUM DOORS, ALUMINUM, THAT, THAT LOOK WOOD. HMM. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'VE EXPLORED IT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT THIS PRICE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? COMMISSIONER STACY? UH, OKAY. UH, OH, HE BROUGHT OUT THE BIG CATCH HIS BREATH. HE BROUGHT OUT THE BIG FOLDER NOW. SO, UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RAISES. UM, THIS, WHAT, WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE BUDGET. IT'S JUST GOING TO REDO DO THE ALLOCATION. SO LET'S JUST TAKE ONE AND PASS IT DOWN. I HAVE PLENTY OF COPIES. SO HERE'S THIS, HERE'S THIS, HERE'S THIS ONE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PAY SCHEDULES. AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE, AND THEN THERE'S THE FINAL ONE. OKAY. SO BOTTOM LINE, WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS WILL DO TWO MAJOR THINGS. IT TAKES THE TOP OF OUR RANGES AND IT MOVES THEM OUT 5%, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A BUDGETARY IMPACT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE GETS TOPPED OUT. IT MOVES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, 2.5%. SO IT WAS BASICALLY A 2.5% COLA. 'CAUSE THE CURRENT CPI IS ABOUT 2.7%. UM, I LOOKED, I LOOKED THAT UP AND HAVE THAT ON. SO THAT GETS US PRETTY CLOSE. AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE THE PERFORMANCE PAID TO 1.5%. SO ESSENTIALLY, ALRIGHT, SO ESSENTIALLY IT GUARANTEES A 2.5% ON THIS BUDGET AND ON THIS BUDGET. THEN A 1.5 IS THE MERIT. YES. STILL THE 4%. YES. AND THEN IT GETS RID OF ALL THE RANGES. SO IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS THERE, THERE'S NOT RANGE ONE, RANGE TWO, RANGE THREE, RANGE FOUR, THERE'S JUST A RANGE. HAS HR LOOKED AT THIS? HR HAS NOT LOOKED AT, NO. I'M KIDDING. YES. HR HAS LOOKED AT THIS . OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S NO RANGES. NO, NO. WHAT I MEAN IS, IS THERE, OUR CURRENT PAY PLAN HAS RANGE ONE, RANGE TWO, RANGE THREE RANGE FOUR. THIS JUST CREATES A SALARY, A SALARY RANGE. SO A GRADE ONE. THAT'S THE RANGE. SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. INSTEAD OF THIS STEP INSIDE THIS RANGE, YOU WILL MAKE IN BETWEEN THIS AMOUNT AND THIS AMOUNT. AND THAT'S THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE RANGES WITHIN THE JOB GRADES. WE JUST DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE SUBDIVISIONS OF THE JOB GRADES. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND WHAT THIS DID WAS IT TOOK THE TOP, MOVED IT 5% AND THEN TOOK TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT AND MOVED THE, MOVED THE WHOLE SCALE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT. SO TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT IS THE NUMBER YOU GOT FROM THE FEDS THAT SAYS IT SAID 2.7. SO TWO AND A HALF SEEMED REASONABLE TO DO, TO DO A COST OF LIVING. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR, FOR EVERY SINGLE YEAR, BUT IT ALSO WORKS WITHIN THE BUDGET FRAMEWORK OF THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T DO THAT NOW. IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SUCH AS ENTRY LEVEL CLERKS. IT DOESN'T SOLVE A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT. SOLVE SOME OF THEM. IT STILL, [03:05:01] YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT DOES OKAY. BUT IT DOESN'T, UM, IT SOLVES THAT NO ONE'S GONNA GET TOPPED OUT. WE DOUBLE CHECK THE MATH. SO, SO EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET THEIR FOUR, FOUR, 4% RAISE IF THAT'S HOW THE DEPARTMENT HEADER ELECTED CHOSE. UM, IT MOVES EVERYTHING. LIKE I SAID, IT MOVES EVERYTHING THE WHOLE SCALE, TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT. SO, UM, IT DOES THAT. BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE THE ENTRY LEVEL CLERK ISSUE. SO, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT ENTRY LEVEL CLERK POSITION, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE AFFECTED? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT $1.8 MILLION OF SALARY. SO WHEN YOU START ADJUSTING THAT ONE OR TWO OR 3% POINTS, IT STARTS TO REALLY MOVE. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE WANTED TO GO AND, AND LOOK AT THE NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT CLERK. GRADE ONE STARTS AT 33,900 AND THOUSAND $986,000. WELL, WE SAY, WELL THAT STARTING SALARY IS TOO LOW, SO WE WANNA MOVE THAT WHOLE GRADE TWO OR 3% POINTS UP. WELL, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE $43,000 BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE MOVING EVERY SINGLE PERSON. NOW WE HAVEN'T MATHED THAT OUT. WE HAVEN'T DOUBLE CHECKED THAT, BUT WE DO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, THERE ARE 40 PEOPLE THAT WOULD FALL IN THAT GRADE ONE. SO IF YOU START MOVING SOME OF THIS STUFF OR CONDENSING IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IF YOU START MOVING THAT BOTTOM UP, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MOVE THE WHOLE SCALE WITH IT. IT'S GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CASCADING EFFECT. SO WE COULD TRY TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY, BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IT, IT, IT MIGHT EVEN NEED TO MOVE TO LIKE A GRADE TWO OR A GRADE THREE BASED UPON THIS. AND TO DO THAT WOULD HAVE A PRETTY BIG SIGNIFICANT BUDGET IMPACT , YOU KNOW, UH, NO, WE HAVEN'T FULLY MAPPED IT OUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT BASICALLY IF WE GO TO 5%, I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ANOTHER $44,000 OF BUDGET IMPACT THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T CALCULATED FOR. UM, BUT I HAVEN'T VETTED THAT OUT. I'M JUST DOING SOME REALLY ROUGH MATH. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE COULD DIVE IN AND, AND, AND GET THAT CONFIGURED AND QUESTION. YEAH. WELL I GET MOVING THE MAXIMUM SALARY UP 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE HAVING TO MM-HMM . JUMP GRADES. BUT IS THERE A REASON WE HAVE TO MOVE THE MINIMUM SALARY? THERE IS NO REASON. IT WAS JUST THAT WE HAD TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS SAY THAT THE, THAT THE STARTING SALARY OF THEIR ENTRY LEVEL CLERKS IS TOO LOW. AND THEN, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE TO FIX. WELL, BUT WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEONE, LET'S SAY YOU HIRE SOMEONE IN JOB GRADE ONE MM-HMM . THE MINIMUM SALARY DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO START AT THAT AMOUNT. YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT. SO AREN'T WE CREATING, IF, IF WE DID WHAT SOMEONE SUGGESTED AND WE MOVED ALL THE MINIMUM SALARIES UP TO, AREN'T WE CREATING A BUDGET IMPACT THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO CREATE? THAT'S RIGHT. I I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THERE, THERE'S ALREADY AN AVENUE E EVEN IF IT'S SOMEBODY COMES IN AND, AND, AND THEIR SKILLSET AND THEY'RE A FIRST TIME EMPLOYEE, DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE IN THE BEGINNING. THEY, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME TO THE COURT AND WE CAN APPROVE. UH, AND, AND, AND WE HAVE, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE PAY, THEY HAVE A 10% VARIANCE IS WHAT'S BEEN WRITTEN IN. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE IF, I MEAN, LET'S JUST TAKE GRADE ONE SINCE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU GOT A MINIMUM RIGHT NOW OF 33, 9 86 AND A MAX OF 51, 1 78. IF WE MOVE THE MAX UP AND LEFT THE MINIMUM OF WHERE IT WAS, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE COMING RIGHT OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL WHERE 33 9 86 MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM . OR YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN THAT SAME JOB WHO'S GOT THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHERE IT DOESN'T, BUT THEN YOU JUST START 'EM AT A HIGHER POINT. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO ONE THING I'VE SAID, AND, AND KIND OF, IF YOU BACK UP AND LOOK AT IT FROM A TOTAL COUNTY AND NOT FROM A, A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT OR A SPECIFIC JOB, OUR, OUR CLERKS, BOTH THE DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY CLERK ARE THE ENTRY POINT FOR EMPLOYEES TO COME TO THE COUNTY. CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS, SOMEBODY CAN COME AND GET A JOB THERE AND ONCE THEY'VE GOT A JOB THERE, ABOUT HALF OF THEM STAY AND THEY GO TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY CAN GO MAKE MORE MONEY, WHILE THAT CREATES TROUBLE FOR OUR CLERKS. THAT IS A GREAT THING FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT WE HAVE AN ENTRY POINT WHERE YOU CAN COME, WHERE YOU CAN WORK, WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW GOOD IT IS TO WORK FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND THEN YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN PATH FORWARD, UH, TO, FOR, FOR MORE MONEY. AGAIN, NOT, NOT GOOD FOR THE PERSON RUNNING THAT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME TURNOVER THAT'S JUST ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE. BUT IT IS GREAT FOR US, UM, FOR THE COUNTY. [03:10:02] 'CAUSE IT, IT GETS PEOPLE IN AND IT FILL POSITIONS. NOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO HANDLE THE, IF YOU'RE ONE OF YOUR CLERK WANTS TO COME TO THE COURT FOR A HIGHER STARTING SALARY, ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE MONEY INTO THEIR BUDGET TO SUPPORT THAT HIGHER SALARY? WELL, IF THERE'S NOT BUDGETED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN, OR ELSE YOU'RE BUDGETING AT THE HIGHER AMOUNT HO HOPING WHICH TO GET SOMEONE TO COME THAT HAS EXPERIENCE. BUT ISN'T THAT KIND OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD'S JOB TO COME WITH A BUDGET AND FIGURE OUT ESTIMATE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE? I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE EVERY ENTRY LEVEL CLERK STARTS AT THE BASE SALARY. YES, THEY DO. YES THEY DO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THEY DO WELL, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO. AND I AND I NO, THEY, IT'S WHAT, IT'S WHAT IS BUDGETED. YES. IT'S WHAT'S BUDGETED. NO, BUT, OKAY, SO LET'S SAY I WAS, LET'S SAY I WAS WORKING, I WAS THE HEAD OF THE AUDITOR'S PART. AND BOY WOULD THAT BE CHANGED . UM, AND I WANTED TO HIRE A NEW PERSON. I KNEW I WAS GONNA LOSE SOMEBODY OR I WAS GONNA BRING ANOTHER CLERK. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, 33, I MIGHT NOT GET THE PERSON WITH THE EXPERIENCE I WANT, SO I'M JUST GONNA COME BUDGET THAT PERSON AT 38. WHY COULDN'T I DO THAT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S OVER. ISN'T THAT OVER 10% OF THE, ANYWAY, THAT'S GETTING TECHNICAL THAT'S GETTING TECHNICAL. BUT IT'S TRUE. LET'S JUST SAY MEAN IT'S 36. 36 6. THAT MAKES IT EASY. I, WELL, I MEAN, I, I JUST LOOK AND I, I DON'T WANNA GET HUNG UP ON IT, BUT TO, TO JOHN'S, JOHN MADE THE POINT THAT IF WE RAISE THE MINIMUMS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT. AND I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE HAVE TO RAISE THE MINIMUMS. WELL, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT IT IN, IN IN THAT WAY THOUGH. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO LOOK AT THIS AS ALL OF THOSE JOBS IN JOB GRADE ONE AS THE SAME THING. AND WE NEED THAT TO BE THE MINIMUM BECAUSE TAKE THE CLERKS AND COMPARE THEM TO THEIR PEER CLERKS IN SURROUNDING AREAS. DON'T TAKE THEM AND SAY, THIS IS THE MINIMUM PAY WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S NOT THE FAIR THING TO DO WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT. IS THE JOB OF THE CLERK AT 33,986 TOO LOW? AND IT IS TOO LOW GUYS. IT'S TOO LOW. WE DID THE STUDY. IT'S TOO LOW. SO HOW CAN YOU SAY ONE THING? I DON'T THINK TURNOVER IS GREAT FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT. JUDGE, I'M SORRY, WE'RE GONNA DISAGREE. I DON'T THINK TURNOVER IS GREAT FOR ANY DEPARTMENT. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO RUN IT LIKE A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT GREAT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THERE BEING, STARTING PAY FOR THE COUNTY AND GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR. BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE, THAT'S NOT WHY THIS DEPARTMENT EXISTS. THIS DEPARTMENT EXISTS TO DO A JOB AND RIGHT NOW THE STARTING CLERKS IN THAT JOB ARE UNDERPAID. THEY ARE UNDERPAID BASED ON THE STUDY WE LOOKED AT. SO WHY ARE WE SAYING WE DON'T WANNA MOVE THE MINIMUM? THERE'S GOTTA BE ANOTHER SOLUTION IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WELL, BESIDES ARGUING OVER JOB GRADE ONE, WHICH INCLUDES SO MANY OTHER JOBS BESIDES CLERKS, WE DON'T HAVE 40 CLERKS. BUT TO LUMP THE CLERKS IN WITH EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE JOB GRADE ISN'T FAIR TO DO, IN MY OPINION. WW WHICH IS TRUE. I MEAN, WHICH THAT'S POTENTIAL SOLUTION. WE DO, EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD ARGUE THAT THE SAME THING. IT'S NOT FAIR TO LUMP MY, MY MY I MEAN, HONESTLY, I GET IT, BUT I DON'T, AND AGAIN, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THE CLERK PAY WRONG OR IS THE CLERK PAY RIGHT. STARTING OUT. I DON'T, I'M NOT LOOKING AT EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING NOW LOOKING AT THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE. THE CLERK PAY AT THE VERY BASE LEVEL IS 1633. AND I WOULD ASSUME FOR SOMEBODY WITH ZERO EXPERIENCE, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT FAR OFF. 'CAUSE I'VE HIRED PEOPLE RECENTLY AT MY LAW FIRM FOR $17. OKAY. SO YOU HIRE CLERKS THAT ARE JUST LIKE THIS POSITION THAT DO THIS JOB. NO, OF COURSE NOT. OKAY. THAT'S NOT EVERY JOB IS NOT APPLE. YOU'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. WELL, YOU CAN HIRE A JANITOR AT THE SAME PAY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. MY POINT IS, THE JOB FUNCTION OF THE CLERK NEEDS TO BE COMPARED TO THAT OF THEIR PEERS AND WHAT THEY'RE BEING PAID OKAY. OF THE SAME JOB. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT MY POINT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO LOWER, TO RAISE THE MINIMUM TO DO THAT IF WE CAN JUST, IF SOME, 'CAUSE FRANKLY, I THINK IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH ZERO EXPERIENCE, NEVER WORKED A JOB BEFORE IN THEIR LIFE, 1633 IN HOURS, NOT UNREALISTIC , DEPENDING ON THE JOB, DEPENDING UPON THE JOB, OF COURSE, DEPENDING UPON THE JOB AT JOB 18, WE'RE AT 150, 1000. YEAH. HIRE SOMEONE TO ANSWER PHONES. SURE. IF YOU'RE GONNA HIRE SOMEONE TO DO A JOB THAT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE CLERK'S JOBS ARE IMPORTANT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND WELL AND BASED ON THEIR PEERS, IT'S NOT. MAYBE I JUST NEED TO LEARN [03:15:01] MORE ABOUT WHAT CLERKS DO. GO DO IT FOR A DAY. AND, AND SO COMMISSIONER GOLAN TO BE, TO BE FAIR, I AM KIND OF TOSSING THIS TO YOU. YEAH. I'M TOSSING THIS IDEA TO YOU AND SAYING, I, I, I'VE JUST, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I, I CAN'T FIND A BETTER SOLUTION. I DON'T CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM IN THE WORLD. BUT, UM, THIS DOES CONSOLIDATE THE RANGES AS WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, IT SHORES UP OUR POLICY TO GET RID OF THE RANGES. UM, AND I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE PIMPLE THAT I DIDN'T FIX, WHICH IS THE ENTRY LEVEL CLERK, BECAUSE I DID, I DIDN'T. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY I DID SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO, YOU KNOW? NO, I, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. YEAH. I THINK YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB. I I AGREE WITH IT. UH, IT MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE SIMPLE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S NOT EVALUATE THE CLERKS HOW WE'RE KIND OF GOING DOWN THIS PATH OF EVALUATING THE RIGHT ROUTE BASED ON A JOB GRADE WITH MINIMUM SALARY. LET'S EVALUATE THE CLERKS BASED ON WHAT THEY DO, BASED ON WHAT THEIR PEERS DO. AND LET'S NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN JOB GRADE ONE. LET'S EVALUATE WHAT THEY DO AND SEE WHAT THAT'S WORTH TO US. AND WE MAY DIFFER AND THAT'S FINE. CAMMY, COULD YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF EVERY POSITION WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CLASS ONE. GREAT JOB, GRADE ONE, EVERY POSITION IN THE COUNTY. SURE. I'LL GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. WELL, AND I THINK IT'S, YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT YOU, THERE'S SO MANY GUIDELINES THAT ARE REQUIRED THAT YOU, YOU CANNOT PAY FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT BUDGETED. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CREATE A POSITION AT THE BEGINNING, I MEAN, INTO YOUR FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE OF TRANSPARENCY. THERE'S A LOT OF STATUTES THAT GOVERN WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO. ONCE YOU SET A BUDGET FOR ELECTED OFFICIAL. THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL NEEDS TO ADHERE TO THAT. WELL, IF THEY GET SOMEBODY THAT COMES IN AND YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM ENOUGH MONEY TO HIRE, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOXED INTO WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PAY. NOT EVERYBODY WILL COME TO YOU AND SAY, I WANT TO PAY MORE. IT'S TRUE. BECAUSE THEN IT'S SUBJECTIVE TO YOU ALL AND THEY'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF WITH YOU THAT THERE'S NOT AN EASY FIX. YES, WE HAVE CONTINGENCY MONEY. YES, YOU COULD MOVE MONEY INTO SOMEONE'S BUDGET, BUT THOSE ARE A LOT OF AROUND, AROUND THE WAY OF JUST BUDGETING APPROPRIATELY FOR THE POSITION THAT YOU WANT TO HIRE. CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT FOR JUST A SECOND? UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE PROCESS IS WE BUDGET, IF THERE'S A VACANCY, WE'RE GONNA BUDGET AT THE MINIMUM SALARY. AND TYPICALLY, UM, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, THEY CAN BRING A NEW EMPLOYEE IN RANGE ONE THE WAY WE HAVE IT WRITTEN NOW, UM, EVEN AT THE TOP OF RANGE ONE, IF THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE NOW, IF THEY HAVE LIKE 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE, PROBABLY THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL'S GONNA COME TO YOU AND SAY, I WANNA HIRE ABOVE RANGE ONE, BUT WE'VE ONLY BUDGETED AT THE MINIMUM SALARY. SO 33,157. UM, AND IF THAT POSITION SITS VACANT FOR A WHILE, THEN THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THIS FISCAL YEAR TO OFFER. SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY COME, COME TO Y'ALL BECAUSE IT HAS TO FIT WITHIN THE BUDGET. THEY CAN OFFER A HIGHER SALARY FOR SOMEONE WITH MORE EXPERIENCE, BUT IT CAN'T EXCEED THEIR BUDGET. AND OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE, ARE PRETTY GOOD AT THAT OF, OF FINDING THE MONEY INSIDE THEIR DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET BEFORE THEY COME, COME ASK. RIGHT. AND THE BIGGER AND THE BIGGER THE DEPARTMENT IE THE SHERIFF'S, HE'S GOING TO HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM. BUT THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM EMPLOYEE LEAVE MID FISCAL YEAR, WE PAY OUT ALL THEIR VACATION OUT OF THAT BUDGET. NOW THE ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS TO WAIT TO HIRE TO FILL THAT POSITION BECAUSE THEY'VE, 'CAUSE WE DON'T BUDGET TO PAY PEOPLE'S UNPAID VACATION. AND THEN IF THEY FIND THE RIGHT CANDIDATE AND, AND THEY WANT TO, AND THEY NEED, THEY NEED MORE MONEY FOR THEM, AND THEY SAY, WELL, I'LL JUST WAIT A LITTLE BIT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT CANDIDATE THAT THEY REALLY WANTED IS PROBABLY, IF THEY'RE GOOD, THEY'RE GONNA BE SCOOPED UP BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY'LL LOSE THAT CANDIDATE. IS THERE A WAY TO BUDGET AT THE MIDPOINT, BUT HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY START IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT, BUT BUDGET TO WHERE IF WE GET SOMEONE THAT COMES TO FILL A POSITION, WE CAN GO THERE. I, I CAN TELL YOU THE MIDPOINT WILL BECOME THE NEW BOTTOM. I'M AFRAID OF THAT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME POLICY BEHIND IT. YEAH. UM, AND THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BUDGETARY CONCERNS. SO BACK TO, I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS, WHICH I, WHICH I THINK IS SOMEWHAT PROFOUND. SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. NUMBER ONE IS, DOES THE COURT WANNA DO A 2.5% COLA AND A ONE POINT HALF PERCENT PERFORMANCE [03:20:01] PAY? WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT TODAY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M BRINGING TO THE COURT, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE JUDGE PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET THAT WAY. THE SECOND THING IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX EVERYONE IN GRADE ONE. WE COULD JUST REALLY ISOLATE WHERE SOME OF THESE PROBLEM POINTS ARE AND, AND DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE PROBLEM POINTS. SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S 40 PEOPLE IN GRADE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO ADJUST FOR 40 PEOPLE. I THINK THAT THAT IS A PROFOUND THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT IF WE JUST TOOK CERTAIN CLERKS AND MAKE THEM GRADE TWO OR GRADE THREE? WHAT IS THAT BUDGET IMPACT? AND THEN DON'T AFFECT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING ON GRADE ONE. AND I KNOW THAT I, I'M JUST SUMMARIZING WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX A GLOBAL ISSUE FOR A VERY SPECIFIC PROBLEM. UM, THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, JUDGE, JUST TO, UH, IS THAT NOWHERE IN HERE IS THE DA EXPANSION FUNDED. CORRECT? UM, THE DA EXPANSION IS NOT BUSTING A HOLE IN A WALL AND THROWING DESKS IN THE OLD AUDITOR'S OFFICE. I NEVER SAID THROW. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. BUT YOU DID SAY BUST A HOLE IN THE WALL. UH, I DID SAY BUST A HOLE IN THE WALL. YES. UH, I, I WISH IT WAS THAT SIMPLE, UM, THAT WE COULD JUST DO THAT. BUT THERE'S MECHANICAL, THERE'S LIGHTING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, OFFICES THAT HAVE TO BE BUILT. UM, I JUST WANT, IT'S GONNA RUN ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. UM, THAT'S JUST, BARRY AND I ESTIMATED THAT WHEN WE STARTED, IT'D BE ABOUT A MILLION. AND IT'S COMING IN, UH, AT NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO, FIVE HUNDRED FROM PARK HILL, FROM THEIR ESTIMATORS. UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA DO, BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE PUNTING THE LIGHTS AND I'M, I'M, I'M STILL GONNA FIGHT FOR MY LIGHTS, BUT IF WE'RE PUNTING THE LIGHTS, I DON'T THINK THAT THE COURT WOULD HAVE AN APPETITE, UM, TO, TO JUMP ON THE DA EITHER. UM, THE DA'S EXPANSION EITHER. SO, UM, BUT I MEAN, THE SPACE IS USABLE, BUT IT IS NOT BEING MAXIMIZED. AND IT IS VERY DIS DIS DYSFUNCTION FROM THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUTDOORS, GO INDOORS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A COHESIVE PLACE SPACE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING EMPLOYEES FOR THE COURT. UM, THE DA IS ALREADY OUT OF SPACE NOW. I MEAN, SHE'S HERE, SHE CAN TELL YOU, BUT SHE'S ALREADY OUTTA SPACE NOW. UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S, I, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S A LOT OF STUFF. IS THERE ONE OF THOSE FUNDS? IS THERE, IS THERE ONE OF THE FUND BALANCES, LISA, THAT COULD BE USED FOR THIS? OH, TRUST ME. I TRIED . YEAH. AND, AND I HAVE DRIVEN LISA CRAZY ABOUT IT FOR THE PAST TWO MONTHS. AND, AND I CAN SAY NO, THERE ISN'T. YEAH. NO. UH, OTHER, OTHER THAN FUND BALANCE OTHER, OTHER THAN DEFICIT FUNDING AND JUST THROWING THIS INTO THE BUDGET RATHER THAN THE LIGHTING PROJECT AND TRYING TO GET THE DA'S EXPANSION DONE BEFORE THE LIGHTING PROJECT. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S A DECISION WE CAN MAKE IF WE CAN DO EITHER ONE. BUT JUDGE, YOUR IDEA WAS MORE JUST TO LEAVE IT AS IS OR TO HAVE OUR, UM, OUR TEAM KIND OF BUILD UP SOME WALLS ONLY, OR, UH, I, I WOULD WANT OUR TEAM TO BUILD UP SOME WALLS CLOSE IN DOORS, ADD A DOOR. UM, AND OUR TEAM DOESN'T WANNA DO THAT. HE HAVE TO BE TO SAY THAT'RE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE MECHANICAL THINGS THAT ARE ABOVE THEIR, UH, UH, YES. SKILLSET, WHICH I, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE LAYOUT PROPOSED BY PARK HILL MAYBE BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A REALLY GOOD DECISION. I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW IF A MILLION DOLLARS IS DOING MORE THAN WE NEED RIGHT NOW, OR IF A MILLION DOLLARS IS DOING LESS THAN WE REALLY NEED, OR WE, I MEAN, WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE IT. AND HERE'S WHERE GOVERNMENT BECOMES ANNOYING. IF WE DON'T BUDGET IT, WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT TILL NEXT YEAR. YEAH. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I, THAT I MEAN, SO, SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DO WE, ARE WE, DO WE WANT TO EARMARK THE MONEY? WE, WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT. I MEAN, PARK HILLS HAD, THE PARK HILL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE CONTRACT APPROVED YET. THEY JUST DID WORK KNOWING THAT WE, WE OKAYED THE $42,000 A COUPLE OF COURTS AGO, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR ESTIMATORS ON IT, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, A, A, A NUMBER THAT WE COULD TRY TO TRY TO WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND. UM, SO I MEAN, WE COULD COME IN AND SAY, YOU DON'T GET 962,000, YOU GET 800,000, OR YOU GET 500,000. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT'S, IF THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT, THEN IT DOESN'T GET DONE FOR UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET, WHICH IS, WHICH WHAT BECOMES DIFFICULT FOR US. HAS THE HA HAS ANYBODY ON KEN'S TEAM BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE, THE USE OF THAT SPACE NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE? YES. I MEAN, SO, SO THEY, THEY, SO A MILLION DOLLARS IS MAYBE GONNA BE OKAY. I, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD WE ARE WITH STEP UP, WE, WE WITH WHAT SHE IS ASKED FOR. SO, UH, SO WE, WE ARE, WE ARE IN A CLASS OR WHETHER WE CAN GO TO THE, OR WHETHER WE CAN GO TO THE JUDGE'S PLAN. I, YOU KNOW, I, I [03:25:01] DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD CALL ON THAT. YEAH. UH, SO KEN COLE, PEPPER DA, THE YES. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH JOHN AND BARRY. WE HAVE NOT MET WITH PARK HILL. UM, I WAS SHOCKED AS, UH, PROBABLY MORE SHOCKED THAN Y'ALL ARE, THAT IT, IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE THAT SEEMS INSANE. UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT ARE JUST REQUISITE. SO THE, I MEAN, BY LAW, UM, WE ARE OUTTA SPACE. SO IN, IN ORDER TO, WHEN WE, WHEN WE HIRE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HIRE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE NEW COURT, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEM AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, WE HAVE WAITED UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE'VE HAD THE BUDGET, THE EXPANSION FOR THE DA'S OFFICE AND THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UH, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THIS DAY WAS COMING. AND SO NOW WE FINALLY HAVE OUR EXPANSION SPACE BACK, WHICH OF COURSE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT AUDITOR SPACE IS THE DA EXPANSION SPACE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. UM, BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, BY LAW, THE, THE PROSECUTORS AND THE INVESTIGATORS, WE HAVE SGIS, UH, ACCESS, WHICH IS THAT CRIMINAL JUSTICE INDEX SERVICE. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO GET CRIMINAL HISTORIES, THERE, THERE ARE, UH, LAWS THAT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE. THAT COMPUTER, IT HAS TO BE IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE. IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO BE LOCKED UP. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OFFICES. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN JUST THROW A BUNCH OF LAWYERS INTO AN, UH, OPEN SPACE. UM, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. I, WE TURNED OUR CONFERENCE ROOM INTO TWO OFFICES, UH, WHICH ARE OUR LARGE STAFF AREA. WE TURNED IT INTO TWO OFFICES. I'M JUST FINE WITH BUSTING A HOLE AND PUTTING UP PARTITIONS, BUT THAT'S EXPENSIVE TOO. AND THAT MONEY IS GONNA BE COMPLETELY NOT BE ABLE TO BE USABLE WHEN YOU DO DO THE ACTUAL REORGANIZATION OR RE REMODEL. SO THAT SPACE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REMODELED AT SOME POINT. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO NOT SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS THAT, AGAIN, YOU COULD, I, I JUST CAN'T, IMA I DON'T KNOW WHY A DOOR COSTS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW WHY A REMODEL COSTS A MILLION, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE EXTRA OFFICE SPACE. WE HAVE WAITED UNTIL, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, IF WE DON'T GET IT INTO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY OFFICES FOR A YEAR AND A HALF THE AUDITOR SPACE. UM, AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE DO THAT. RIGHT. ADJACENT TO YOU, RIGHT? PARDON ME? ISN'T THE AUDITOR SPACE RIGHT ADJACENT TO YOU? IT IS. SO IS THERE ANY REASON YOU CAN'T JUST USE THE AUDITOR'S SPACE WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE? YOU, YOU CAN USE THE, I MEAN, THAT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL OF COURSE, BUT WE CAN USE THE AUDITOR SPACE. BUT IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE BEFORE YEAH. LISA HAS AN OFFICE. YEP. ELENA HAS AN OFFICE MM-HMM . AND THEN IT'S ALL BIG OPEN SPACE, SO THAT WON'T RIGHT. BE, UM, SUFFICIENT FOR EVEN THE STAFF THAT NEED. RIGHT. BUT I, WE NEED THAT. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE DOING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE LITERALLY PUTTING UP WALLS INSIDE AN ENCLOSED OFFICE AREA WOULD BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MAKING THE TWO FLOWING FREELY AND INTEGRATING THEM COMPLETELY. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAVE MONEY, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO IT. TO, I, AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAVE MONEY MM-HMM . MAYBE TWO ENTRANCE POINTS RATHER THAN INTEGRATING BOTH OFFICES TOGETHER MIGHT BE A WAY TO SAVE MONEY. UH, I'M NOT SURE, UH, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S THE, UH, BUSTING OUT THE WALL THAT'S SO EXPENSIVE. I THINK IT'S THE, UM, MECHANICAL, THE MECHANICAL OF WHEN YOU'RE CREATING THE OFFICES WITHIN THAT SPACE, WHICH AGAIN, WHETHER YOU HAVE TWO OFFICE ENTRANCE PLACES OR NOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CREATE THE OFFICES. IT'S THE MECHANICAL OF CREATING THE LIGHTING AND THE ELECTRICAL WITHIN THE OFFICES IS WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS. YEAH. I MEAN, SO GETTING THE CLIMATE CONTROLS INTO THE OFFICES AND THE AIR FLOW'S. RIGHT. AND I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE, THEY CAN BE HOT. I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY CAN'T OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. IT'S JUST, I JUST KNOW THAT I KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST. WHEN BARRY DID THE, THE REMODEL OF THE TWO OFFICES, AND, AND AGAIN, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TWO OFFICES IN A CONFERENCE ROOM. I MEAN, TO, TO PUT SOME STUFF IN PERSPECTIVE, YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE THIRD FLOOR RENOVATION IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. LIKE IT IS BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. SO WHILE, WHILE WE'RE BRINGING THINGS INTO FOCUS, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PARK HILL'S FIRST ITERATION OF THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL WAS $14 MILLION. YES. UH, AND, AND, AND WE GOT IT CUT IN HALF AT AT LEAST MM-HMM . GREAT. UM, SO I'M, I'M I, I'VE NOT SEEN THIS MILLION DOLLARS, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE OR, OR A BUDGET. I WOULD VERY MUCH HOPE THAT IT CAN BE LESS THAN THAT. AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOME, UH, SUPER FANCY, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR ADEQUATE OFFICE SPACE. UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS BY [03:30:01] LAW, WE, WE'VE GOT CLOSED SPACE SO THAT THOSE PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS CAN GET THEIR JOBS DONE. AND I'M LIKE, YOU, I I, LET'S JUST PUT 'EM ALL IN A BIG POOL, BUT WE'VE ALREADY CHECKED AND WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE ESTIMATOR PRETTY MUCH IS DOING IT BASED UPON, UH, $250 PER SQUARE FOOT WITH A 10% CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE THEY BASE THAT UPON RECENT PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, UM, IN OFFICE BUILDINGS. SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF GETTING THE NUMBER. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN IN THERE. AND ARE ARE, ARE THEY, AND, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. ARE THEY THINKING THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK TO STUDS AND THEN REBUILD IT COMPLETELY? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. MY, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, IS WE HAVE A CART HORSE TIMING PROBLEM. YEAH. WE DO. WE, WE HAVE TO SILO SOME MONEY TO START THE PROJECT, OR WE CAN'T START THE PROJECT. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO PAY PARK HILL TO, TO WORK WITH KENDA AND HER STAFF TO MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDED. SO WE JUST HAVE TO, I MEAN, IF WE STICK 600,000 AND IT AT LEAST WE COULD BUILD HALF OF, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. I JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS ANOTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE TO, TO THINK ABOUT. AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE PRIORITIZING, I MEAN, MAYBE WE JUST PUT THIS AHEAD OF THE LIGHTING PROJECT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO GET THIS THROUGH AND THEN DO THE LIGHTING PROJECT NEXT YEAR. I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST ANSWER IS. I JUST KNOW THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. AND IF WE DON'T SILO MONEY AWAY, OR WE DON'T PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET, THEN IT WILL BE 18 MONTHS MINIMUM BEFORE WE EVEN GET THESE FOLKS INTO THIS OFFICE SPACE. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, AGAIN, KNOCKING A HOLE IN THE WALL, WHAT THAT GIVES US USABLE WITHOUT MOVING ANYTHING. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TWO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE THE, THE END IS NOT GOING TO BE SOON. THE, THE, THE, THE COURTROOMS AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT, AND I, I DON'T HAVE THE APPETITE FOR A A ANOTHER ONE. WE'RE FINISHED. THE, THE ANNEX. UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER ONE TILL WE START TAKING THINGS OFF. NOW. I WOULD, I DO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE OUTTA SPACE. SO JUDGE, WOULD YOU HAVE AN APPETITE IF PERHAPS MAYBE WE, WE, WE, WE FIND A WAY TO FUND THE DAS AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO THE SHERIFFS IN STAGE ONE IN FY 26 AND SOME OF IT IN FY 27. I, I'M, I'M ALWAYS OPEN FOR A MULTI BUDGETT SOLUTION. UM, WE HAVE WELL, BUT LET ME, WE JUST HAVE TO SOMETHING. JOHN, YOU, YOU'RE DEEPER INTO THESE WEEDS THAN I AM AND I RESPECT THAT. I REALLY DO. BUT TO, TO SAY IF WE DON'T BUDGET MONEY, WE WON'T USE THAT SPACE. IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. WE COULD USE THAT SPACE. I CAN'T BELIEVE IF YOU'RE SO FULL, YOU COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO MOVE SOMEBODY OVER THERE AT EVERY, EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN YOUR OFFICE NEEDS A SECURED, LOCKED OFFICE. I DON'T THINK SO. DO THEY? WELL, NO. NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN OUR OFFICE HAS, NEEDS A SECURED, LOCKED OFFICE. YEAH. NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN OUR OFFICE HAS A SECURED, LOCKED OFFICE. RIGHT. ALL OF THE STAFF HAVE CUBICLES. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN MOVE THOSE, THOSE OVER THERE, BUT WHO ARE YOU GONNA MOVE INTO THE CUBICLES? I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND. I I PROMISE YOU I WILL WORK WITH Y'ALL IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO USE THIS SPACE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY I CAN. BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE PROSECUTORS AND THE INVESTIGATORS, THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE IN THESE OFFICES IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECORDS. GREAT. SO HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DO YOU HAVE, ROUGHLY? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY IN MY NEW ANNEX. IT'S KNEW 50. NO, NO. CAN I CAN TELL YOU, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. AT 250 BUCKS A FOOT, IT'S GOTTA BE ABOUT WHAT, 4,000 FEET? 3,500? YEAH. 3,500. OKAY. AGAIN, I JUST, IF IF, IF WE DON'T BUDGET IT AND SOME AND YOU DON'T USE ANY OF THAT 3,500 SQUARE FEET, THEN I WOULD THINK WE'VE JUST WASTED USE OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE. 'CAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WAY WE CAN MAKE SOME USE OF IT. AND THE POINT OF THIS WAS JUST TO CORRECT JOHN MM-HMM . OR AT LEAST CORRECT ME, RAISE A COUNTERPOINT TO SAY THAT IF WE DON'T BUDGET 962,000 TODAY DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA LET 4 3500 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE SIT VACANT. I, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO EVEN MAKE THAT POINT. AND I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE YOUR OFFICE. I, I WOULD HOPE SO. AND AGAIN, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA PUT UP PARTITIONS, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA BRING BARRY IN, YOU KNOCK A HOLE IN THE WALL AND YOU BRING IN PARTITIONS, THAT'S, I I THINK THAT THAT IS SUFFICIENT. IS THAT THE BEST? NO, BUT THAT'S ALL MY ONLY POINT WAS IS THAT, THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY A LOT OF MONEY TO CREATE THE, THE TWO OFFICES THAT WE CREATED. THAT'S MONEY THAT COULD BE GOING TOWARDS THE ACTUAL RENOVATION. THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT. I WOULD THINK THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT. I AM, I JUST NEED SPACE. SO I'M HAPPY FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK. I'M JUST, UH, THE PREFERABLE [03:35:01] WAY WOULD BE TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. SO I, I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE, THE EMPTY OFFICE OVER THERE. SO GO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT. I'M SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU GOT A BIG EMPTY OFFICE OVER THERE NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. EASIER THAN MY OFFICE. SO, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT JUST, I WOULD BE CAREFUL PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTING THE NEW SPACE FOR THE DA'S OFFICE. I, HERE'S, BECAUSE I MEAN, JUST TAKE THE THIRD FLOOR COURTROOM FOR AN EXAMPLE. OKAY? IF WE KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE DOES THE RENOVATION GET? WELL, IT WENT FROM 3 MILLION TO 7.7. SO THIS IS KIND OF MY POINT. SO, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S A WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE TAXPAYER MONEY. ARE WE REALLY, OR ARE WE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO COST THEM MORE LATER? BECAUSE IF WE HALFWAY REMODEL THIS WITH BARRY'S CREW DOING THE BEST THEY CAN, AND THEN WE HAVE TO TEAR THAT DOWN TO DO THE REAL REMODEL. HAVE WE SAVED THEM ANY MONEY IN THE, IN, IN THE, IN THE LONG HAUL HERE, OR HAVE WE NOT? UH, I MEAN MAYBE THIS YEAR, BUT THEN WHEN WE GO TO ACTUALLY DO IT, WHEN WE COULD HAVE DONE IT THE BANDAIDS EARLIER, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SAVED THEM THAT MONEY. WELL, UNLESS WE DO THE REAL REMODEL CHEAPER. AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, UM, $1 MILLION PLAN. REALLY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS. WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT. REALLY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, LAUREN, IS NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. MY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET, WE WOULDN'T BE WORKING ON A SOLUTION BECOMES THE PROBLEM. WE MAY NEED A NUMBER THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SO THAT WE CAN BUDGET SOMETHING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR SO THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS A $550,000 PROJECT. GET DONE WHAT YOU CAN FOR THAT. BUT IT HAS TO MAKE THIS THAT'S FINE. I I, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE THE, THE TIMING IS THE PROBLEM OF THIS. I IF, IF WE WERE IN JANUARY, THIS WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER TO VET OUT AND, AND HAVE AND, AND, AND, AND DO THIS. BUT PARK HILL WAS JUST HIRED TWO WEEKS AGO. IT'S TO START WORKING ON THIS. IT'S JUST VERY RISKY TO WAIT AS WE HAVE, AS WE HAVE DISCOVERED WITH THE THIRD FLOOR. IT'S RISKY TO WAIT TOO. YEAH. ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING. UM, AND, AND, AND, AND I DO AGREE THAT THERE PROBABLY IS WISDOM IN WAITING. I MEAN, WE, WE CAN'T GET IMPATIENT AND JUST START SPENDING EVERYONE'S MONEY AND JUST BUILDING EVERYTHING WE CAN. WE, BUT I'M STARING AT A $7.7 MILLION COURT INFILL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THREE TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WHEN THE COURT WAS TRYING TO GET IT DONE. AND, AND WE KNOW THAT THE LIGHTS ARE BROKEN, AND WE KNOW THAT THE DA NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. WE, WE HAVE KNOWN THINGS. WE'RE NOT INVENTING PROBLEMS TO SOLVE THEM. THESE PROBLEMS ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF US AND, AND WE HAVE TO WORK AS A TEAM AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. AND, AND I AGREE. I MEAN, I GOT THIS EMAIL ON AUGUST 13TH AT 1:45 PM FOR THE ROUGH SCOPE ESTIMATE TO BE 962 500. IT'S NOT LIKE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS FOR, FOR THREE WEEKS FIGURING OUT HOW DO WE SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON THIS? I'M SITTING HERE TELLING PARK HILL, YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME A NUMBER I CAN TAKE TO COURT SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST TRY TO CREATE A BUDGET BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ARCHITECT TO FINISH DESIGNING IT. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO BE BUILT. AND WE HAVE TO. SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRAZY WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT, UM, AT THIS, AND THEN TO THAT POINT, THE $711,000, UH, FOR THE NEW COURTHOUSE LIGHTING WAS DONE THROUGH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR. PARK HILL IS ESTIMATING THAT COST TO BE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THEM TO DESIGN IT AND DO FIX THE LIGHTING. SO IF WE KICK THE LIGHTING DOWN THE CURB AND, AND, AND HAVE IT BECOME A PARK HILL PROJECT, NOW WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SOFT COST OF $300,000 INTO THAT PROJECT JUST TO GET IT DESIGNED AND COMPLETED. SO EVERYTHING WE KICK THE, ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES HALF A MILLION, MORE $300,000 OR MORE. SO WE'RE NOT, SO WE THINK, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE SAVING MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYERS, BUT WE'RE NOT CONTRARY FOR US TO START A PROJECT THAT WE DON'T KNOW. I, I SEE THE WISDOM IN THAT. I MEAN, NOW WE'RE CREATING A PROBLEM TO TRY TO SOLVE IT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY, BUT WE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. AND SO TO, TO NOT SOLVE THEM AND TO NOT BE AGGRESSIVE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME TOGETHER AND GET THESE THINGS SOLVED, UM, I THINK IS GONNA COST MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. AND THAT'S WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THIS. BUT YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S $2.7 MILLION TO DO EVERYTHING. IT'S $2.7 MILLION ON TOP OF EMPTYING FUND. 51. SO IT'S THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF, OF KNOWN PROBLEMS OF SAYING, WE KNOW THAT THESE PROBLEMS HAVE TO BE SOLVED. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. DO, CAN I SIT DOWN OR DO YOU NEED TO START? YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT DOWN MAD. YOU, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU, KEN. BUT ANYWAYS, BUT, BUT AGAIN, LAUREN, I I WASN'T TRYING TO SAY WE WOULD DO NOTHING. WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY PUT PEOPLE IN THAT SPACE AND USE IT. I JUST MEANT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROJECT. [03:40:01] WE WOULD JUST BE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THERE, WHICH WE COULD DO THAT IS, IS AN OPTION. WE COULD DO. THE AUDITOR USED IT AS A FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR YEARS. NO, NO. DON'T YOU GIVE IT AWAY AGAIN, . THAT'S MY POINT. THAT'S MY POINT IS IT'S BEING USED. RIGHT. AND WE WILL USE IT FOR HER SOMEHOW. YEAH. I, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M AGAIN HESITANT, UH, TO TAKE ON NOT ONLY THE LIGHTING, BUT BUT A MILLION DOLLAR REMODEL NEEDS SPACE. WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. I MEAN, IT'S A FUNCTIONING OFFICE RIGHT NOW. WELL, YOU SAID WE WERE GONNA PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. I, I JUST ASKED. SHE'S BEEN USING THE OFFICE FOR YEARS AND IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTIONAL OFFICE. THE, THE, THE HVAC WORKS, THE LIGHTS WORK, THE DOOR LOCKS THE RIGHT. SO CAN THE SHADES GO UP AND DOWN? SO IT'S, SO CAN PERHAPS, THERE MAY BE SOME TYPE OF A, I HATE TO USE THE WORD VARIANCE OR THAT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD, MAY HAVE TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE BUDGET CYCLE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT? UM, IF, AS FAR AS THE PROSECUTORS YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE? NO, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE HELD IN CONTEMPT. THEY WOULD TAKE AWAY OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECORDS. YEAH. THEY, YOU CAN'T BREAK A SEAT YOURSELF. I, YOU CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PROSECUTE PEOPLE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEIR CRIMINAL RECORD IS. AND SO, UM, IT, THAT, THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S A NO BRAINER. SO I CAN, LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT SAYING, IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO MOVE INTO THAT SPACE AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN THE DA EXPANSION SPACE. THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT IT OUT WHEN WE FIRST BUILT THE COURTHOUSE. BUT I WAS, I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, WE DON'T NEED ALL THAT SPACE. LET'S USE IT. LET'S BE EFFICIENT AND PUT, PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE UNTIL WE NEED IT. AND THEN IT WENT ON AND ON AND ON, AND WE GOT BIGGER AND BIGGER AND OUTGREW OUR SPACE. UM, AND THEN COULDN'T GET INTO THE SPACE. SO MY POINT IS, IS THAT I WILL WORK WITH Y'ALL ANY WAY YOU WANT, BUT I HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPACE. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE USED IN A WAY THAT COMPORTS WITH THE LAW. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECORD SEARCHES. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE OFFICES. UM, AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW ANY WAY AROUND IT. I'M, IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANT BARRY TO DO IT AND PUT PARTITIONS UP, THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. I PROMISE YOU WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY HERE THINKS THAT I'M FANCY. UM, I DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED SOME FANCY OFFICE SPACE. BUT AT SOME POINT, ROCKWALL COUNTY IS GOING TO BUILD A PROPER EXPANSION TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IT'S WHETHER YOU DO IT NOW AT THE FRONT END AND SPEND THE MONEY NOW, OR WHETHER YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON MAKING IT KIND OF, UH, HALF WORKABLE, WORKABLE, UM, AND, AND THEN HAVE TO DO IT LATER. I, I'M, THAT IS Y'ALL'S DECISION. WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT SPACE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THE SPACE, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE OFFICES. AND YES, MY PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE A WALKTHROUGH BETWEEN THE OFFICES. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST INCONVENIENT TO HAVE TO GO ON. BUT IF I HAVE TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES, I'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT YES, I DO. I THINK THAT WE CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT BUDGET YEAR. I DO NOT. WE ARE OUT OF SPACE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE OUTTA SPACE. WE HAVE MADE WITNESS ROOMS INTO OFFICES. WE'VE MADE INTERVIEW ROOMS INTO OFFICES. WE'VE MADE STORAGE ROOMS INTO OFFICES. SO YOU MADE A CLOSET INTO AN OFFICE. WE'VE MADE A CLOSET INTO AN OFFICE. IS ALL YOUR STUFF. I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE THE MOST OUT OF THE SPACE THAT WE'VE MOVED, FILING CABINETS AND MADE ANOTHER OFFICE ALONG A WALL. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO. SO IF THE AUDITOR IS OUT, I MEAN, YOU CAN MOVE IN THERE. I THINK THERE'S SOME OLD FURNITURE THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S USED SURPLUS YESTERDAY THAT'S PROBABLY STILL STANDING IN THERE. OKAY. UM, THAT'LL BE SOLD OR GIVEN TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. BUT I THINK YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT OF THE PRIVATE OFFICES. THE, THE SPACES THERE, THE OFFICES ARE THERE. IT'S THE COMPLIANT ISSUE. WELL, THERE'S TWO PRIVATE OFFICES RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE TWO, YES. AND, AND COULD EASILY BUILD THE THIRD OR OR FOURTH IN, IN THERE. OKAY. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT IF YOU WANNA SPEND THE MONEY IN THAT WAY, THEN LET ME BE THE FIFTH PERSON TODAY THAT SAYS I'M JUST ONE BOAT. BUT THAT, THAT, WELL, CAN I BE A VOTE? BECAUSE I'LL BE A SIX . THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY DESIRE IS, IS LET'S FINISH, LET'S FINISH SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECT FIELD TRIP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEP. THANK YOU. UM, WELL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. . OKAY. SO LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT LEGALITIES REAL QUICK. UM, SO LISA, HELP HELP ME OUT, IF YOU WOULD, WHAT, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED OF US TODAY? WE, WE NEED TO, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, [03:45:01] WE NEED TO ADOPT A TAX RATE. YOU NEED TO SET A PROPOSED TAX RATE SET, A PROPOSED TAX RATE, NOT, DEFINITELY NOT ADOPTING TAX RATE. CORRECT. OKAY. SET A PROPOSED TAX RATE. AND, AND, AND JUST FOR THE, THE NEW, I KNOW YOU ALL WERE HERE ALL LAST YEAR AND LEARNED ALL THIS, BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT AGAIN. MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO SET YOUR PROPOSED RATE AT YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE. THAT'S YOUR HIGHEST RATE THAT YOU CAN GO, THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS COME DOWN. UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS A LOWER TAX RATE THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT THE VOTERS HAVE AT THE MOMENT. SO YOU'RE STILL LOWERING THE TAX RATE. UH, WE DO NEED TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF WHAT THEIR PERSONNEL EXPENSES ARE GONNA BE. THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, IS THAT YOU'RE JUST DISCUSSING THEIR PERSONNEL EXPENSES AND THEIR SALARY. UH, UH, AND THEN YOU, UH, WE WILL, WE MEANING HR TREASURER AUDITOR, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS WE HAVE TO GET IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT GO ON MONDAY THAT WILL POST ALL THE ELECTED TO SALARIES INCREASES THAT GOES IN, THAT'LL RUN NEXT FRIDAY ON THE 22ND. UH, AND THEN YOUR NOTICES FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, TO ADOPT YOUR BUDGET AND YOUR TAX RATE, THAT ALSO WILL RUN NEXT FRIDAY. SO A LOT OF THIS TODAY IS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE NOTICES DONE, AND THEN TOMORROW YOU'LL DIRECT THE JUDGE TO SEND THE LETTER TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THEIR SALARY. UM, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING THROUGH THIS SAYING IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. UM, CAN YOU JUST FOR OUR BENEFIT, I KNOW OUR CURRENT TAX RATE IS 0.2547, CAN YOU GIVE US WHAT THE, THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS AND THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS? AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE DI MINIMIS RATE IS? SO, VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS 0.2521. NO NEW REVENUE IS 0.2419, AND THESE ARE PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS OF VALUATION. OKAY. UM, CURRENT TAX RATE IS 0.2547. MY FIRST DRAFT HAS A PROPOSED RATE OF 0.2498. AND, AND I AGREE. AND THERE IS NO DE MINIMUS FOR US BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE. SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIMIN? IT SAYS HERE DI MINIMUS RATE IS 0.2 4 7 8 1 2. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A DI MINIMUS RATE IS. IT'S NOT APPLICABLE. WHY DID THEY FIGURE IT DEPENDS ON, I GUESS THEY HAVE SPACE TO PUT IT IN. OKAY. YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. I, I BELIEVE THAT THE DI MINIMUS IS BASED UPON POPULATIONS AND, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FATE CAN DO IT, AND I KNOW THAT HEATH CAN DO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ROCKWALL CAN, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE. SO I'M, I'M WAY SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT I THINK A COUNTY HAS TO BE OVER AND I'M, DON'T HOLD ME, BUT I THINK IT'S 75,000. IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK SO. AND THEN, AND THEN YOU CAN'T DO DE MINIMIS IF YOU'RE OVER 75,000. UH, IT MAY, IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE NOW, BUT LESS TIME. OKAY. SO IT'S IRRELEVANT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SO, UH, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO DO. NOW, THE, THE ONE THING, AND THIS WON'T SURPRISE LISA, UM, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. AND, AND THE REASON I MADE THE SAME RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR IS IF WE APPROVE THAT THE, THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU TAKE TO GET THE RATE DOWN FROM THERE IS JUST TREMENDOUS. UH, 'CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE TO GIVE THE RATE TO LISA SO SHE CAN PRINT ESSENTIALLY THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE BUDGET AND THEN IT BECOMES ALMOST AN ENTITLEMENT AND IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT RATE BACK DOWN. UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO, TO ADOPT THE RATE, WHICH I SET THE 0.2498, AND THEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE CONFINES AND THE CONSTRAINTS OF THAT, THAT RATE. FRANK, Y YOU SAID THE CURRENT RATE I, I WROTE DOWN A WHILE AGO IS 0.2547. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN YOUR DRAFT WAS 0.2498. CORRECT. NOW, UM, ON PAGE 1 39 THAT KEVIN PASSIN GAVE US, I, I'M, I'M SEEING THAT HE'S SAYING HE HAS THAT THE, UM, THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IS 0.2 6 1 4 5 7. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? ON, ON, ON OUR BUDGET PACKET MAYBE CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? DID, DID I MISSPEAK? NO. OKAY. I THOUGHT I WAS RIGHT. UH, WHICH PAGE ARE YOU? THE LAST PAGE, 1 39. THE TAX WORKSHEET. MM-HMM . JUST ABOVE [03:50:01] THE DEMAND RAISED. YEAH. ON THE LAST PAGE OF THIS BUDGET, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET. OKAY. I CHECKED ON THAT TOO WITH, UH, KEVIN. AND IF YOU'LL LOOK AT IT, IT, IT SAYS, UH, IF AS APPLICABLE ENTER THE CURRENT YEAR. YOU MEAN THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS INDICATE THE APPLICABLE TO TOTAL TAX RATES AS CALCULATED ABOVE? UH, I, THE LINE 68 IS ADJUSTED FOR UNUSED INCREMENT AND THAT'S, OH, THE NUMBER THAT THEY USED, BUT I CONFIRMED THAT 2 5 2 1 IS THE CORRECT ONE. THAT'S IF YOU'RE GOING SEE HOW IT SAYS, UH, ON THE LAST PAGE IT SAYS INDICATE THE LINE NUMBER USED AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO LINE 68. MM-HMM . AND IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE UNUSED INCREMENT RATE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT USING ANY OF YOUR IN UNUSED INCREMENT. OKAY. SO LINE 68 IS 0.2 6 1 4 5 7. YEAH. AND IF YOU GO UP TO 62, SO REALLY YOU COULD GO UP TO THAT, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH THE, NOT THE INCREMENT RATE. WE'RE GONNA GO WITH 2 5, 2, 1. SO LOOK AT, UH, DON'T LOOK AT THAT LAST PAGE. OKAY. I CAN SEND, LOOK AT PAGE 1 37 AT THE TOP. MM-HMM . CURRENT YEAR VOTER APPROVE, ADJUSTED FOR POPULATION CONTROL. GOT IT. THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. AND I CAN SEND YOU THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, I CAN SEND YOU THE, UH, THE BACK AND FORTH I HAD WITH CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO CONFIRM THAT I, WHICH, THAT I WAS USING THE RIGHT NUMBER. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I SAW THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GO TO THE LAST PAGE. RIGHT, ME TOO. THAT GIVES YOU ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT, UH, I, I, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT UNUSED INCREMENT RATE. AND SO IS IT THE NUMBER THEN THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS AT ON LINE 62 2 0.2 5 2 1 1 3. AND WE IGNORE THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT, SO I [3. Discuss/ Act on providing written notice to each elected county and precinct officer of the officer's salary and other related expenses pursuant to Section 152.013(c) of the Texas Local Government Code to be included in the FY2026 budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)] THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THE FIRST ITERATION OF BUDGET DISCUSSION. SO LET ME, LET ME MOVE US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON PROVIDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO EACH ELECTED COUNTY AND PRECINCT OFFICER, THE OFFICER'S SALARY AND OTHER RELATED EXPENSES PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 52 0.013 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FY 2026 BUDGET IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. SO WOULD IT BE CLEANEST, SINCE WE'RE MAKING A MOVE POSSIBLY ON THE CONSTABLES TO HAVE THAT SEPARATE, LISA OR I, I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID IT THE BEST TO HANDLE THAT AS ITS OWN, UH, MOTION OR TO, AT, AT LEAST AS A, A SECONDARY WORDING SO THAT IT'S SEPARATED AND CLEARS A BELL WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YEP. SO I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSTABLES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE CONSTABLE, UH, SALARY TO 98,000. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, CAN I ASK A POINT OF CLARITY? IS THAT, UM, INCLUDING THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SET THE SALARY? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE WHERE I WANT TO SET IT FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. GOT A CLARIFIED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO. WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. STACY, DO WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LET'S REGISTER OUR VOTES PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REMAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS. UH, WELL, I MEAN WE, WE DON'T, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION SO YOU CAN SEND IT OUT TO ALL THE OTHER, AND YOUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW INCLUDES A 3% INCREASE IS YES, IT DOES THAT, CORRECT? YES, IT DOES. UM, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, THE ELECTED SALARIES. OFFICIALLY 26. YOU, YOU TOOK US BACK. DIDN'T I SAY THAT? YOU SAID 21, YOU TOOK US BACK FOUR YEARS. , I'M SORRY MAN. YOU HAVE POWER . UM, OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WE INCREASE ALL ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARY OTHER THAN THE CONSTABLES BY AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO 3% OF THEIR FISCAL YEAR 2025 SALARY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICK DA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW [03:55:01] THAT PASSES FOUR TO ONE. AND, AND JUDGE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE RELATED EXPENSES THAT ARE PERSONNEL, THAT'S GOING, THAT'S THEIR PHONE ALLOWANCE, LONGEVITY, ALL THE BENEFITS THAT YOU'RE, THAT EVERYTHING IS THAT. SO THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THAT LETTER THAT YOUR ASSISTANT'S SENDING OUT. YEAH. SO YEAH, CLARIFICATION. UH, COMMISSIONER STACY ALWAYS VOTES AGAINST GIVING HIMSELF A RAISE. UH, SO I'VE TRIED, I'VE TRIED TO FORCE HIM TO TAKE A RAISE AND I CAN, I I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. CAN I AMEND MY MOTION TO CARVE HIM OUT? ? NO. WE'LL JUST LET HIM VOTE AGAINST IT. UM, I DON'T TAKE IT. HE DOES NOT TAKE IT. I'VE TRIED TO FORCE HIM TO TAKE IT AND APPARENTLY I DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. UH, [4. Discuss/ Act on setting the proposed Rockwall County 2025 Tax Rate and taking record vote, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)] OKAY. NOW, UH, IT MOVES US. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. IT MOVES US ON TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AN ACT ON SETTING THE PROPOSED ROCKWALL COUNTY 2025 TAX RATE AND TAKING A RECORD VOTE IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET THE TAX RATE AT 2.2498 PER $100 OF VALUE AND I'LL SECOND GOT MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. NOW, WELL, THE, THE, WE CAN, AND THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. THAT'S OKAY. UH, SO YES, AND THAT'S WHY I WANT DISCUSSION . OKAY. UM, BECAUSE I WANNA EXPLAIN WHY I'M GONNA VOTE THE WAY I AM ON THIS, OKAY? UM, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE, UH, I WANT TO INCREASE OUR TAXES AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, JUDGE, UM, THAT ANYTIME, IF WE WENT FROM 24 98 TO 24 9, THAT 24 90 NINE'S HARD NOT TO SPEND. BUT THE REASON THAT I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS IS BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS RAISED TODAY WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE MONEY THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET. SOME OF THOSE, AS YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH, UH, LIKE MY RECENT CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER STACY AND, UH, ON THE DA OFFICES. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS I DISAGREE WITH, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT FINALLY, OUR FUNDING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE YET. AND I DON'T VIEW THIS AS SPENDING THE ADDITIONAL MONEY. I VIEW IT AS HAVING THE OPTION TO MAKE DECISIONS WE NEED TO MAKE. SO, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, UH, THREE WEEKS FROM NOW OR WHENEVER IT IS, WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET, I WILL BE AT, UH, THE VAL VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. BUT I AM SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW, I WANNA KEEP MY OPTIONS OPEN. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO THIS IS A LITTLE ODDITY. I'M GONNA CALL, YOU'LL SAY HOW YOU VOTE AND THEN REGISTER IT. SO, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE. NO. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TWO. NO. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE. NO. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FOUR. YES. AND THE JUDGE IS A YES. SO IT FAILS THREE TO TWO. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEONE , I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. 2.2 5 2 1 1 3. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? AGAIN, THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE? YES. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TWO. YES. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE. YES. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT. FOUR. NO. COMMISSIONER? NO, I'M NOT A COMMISSIONER. I AM THE JUDGE. AND, AND I WILL VOTE NO. AND IT PASSES THREE TO TWO. SO [5. Discuss/Act on scheduling Public Hearing for September 9, 2025, at 9:00 a.m. for the proposed 2025 County Tax Rate, and order publication for notice, and all related issues; (Judge New- Auditor)] THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON SCHEDULING PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM FOR THE PROPOSED 2025 COUNTY TAX RATE AND ORDER PUBLICATION FOR NOTICE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. UH, THIS IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE. THIS IS JUST AUTHORIZING OUR AUDITOR TO SPEND THE MONEY TO ADVERTISE SO PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE AUDITOR TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM FOR THE PROPOSED 2025 COUNTY TAX RATE. I'LL SECOND GOT MY MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. BRINGS US TO [6. Discuss/Act on scheduling a Public Hearing for September 9, 2025, at 9:00 a.m. to approve the FY2026 Annual Budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)] AGENDA ITEM SIX, DISCUSS AND ACT ON SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM TO APPROVE THE FY 2026 ANNUAL BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AUDITOR TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE FY 2026 ANNUAL BUDGET. I'LL SECOND THAT. MOTION. GOT MY MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THAT BRINGS US TO COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS. I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO OVER THIS. WE ARE GOING TO GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM 10. [04:00:01] AND AT 3 33 WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. I WAS NOT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.