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          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTROOM. 
          IT IS AUGUST 27TH. 
          IT IS 9:00 AM I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER OUR WORKSHOP. 
          UH, RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM. 
          IT'S PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS, REALLY. 
          UH, NO ONE'S SIGNED UP, BUT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, COME FORWARD 
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NOW SEEING NO ONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PRESENTATION FROM FREEZE AND NICHOLS. 
          MR. CONNOR. 
          MORNING, JUDGE. 
          COURT RECORD. 
          LEMME MAKE SURE I'M DOING THIS RIGHT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          BEAR WITH ME HERE. 
          AND JUDGE, ARE YOU GUYS SEEING MY SCREEN OR ARE YOU SEEING THAT SCREEN? FULL SCREEN, YEAH. 
          GOOD TO GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SAME THING THAT'S ON THE OVERHEAD. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. 
          GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. 
          UH, JUST A QUICK REMINDER, CONNOR ROBERTS. 
          I'M HERE WITH FREEZING NICHOLS. 
          UH, WE ASSIST THE COUNTY IN ONCALL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. 
          WE WERE ASKED TO SORT OF COME HERE TODAY AND PRESENT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLANNING EFFORT AND, AND ANY UPDATES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          WITH ME TODAY IS SORT OF THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TEAM. 
          OF COURSE, DANIEL HARRISON. 
          EDDIE HAAS IS OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING MANAGER, AND WITH US, AS WELL AS BRIAN CROOKS, OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER. 
          THIS TEAM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR QUITE A BIT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE THE COUNTIES THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, INCLUDING OUR, OUR VERY OWN HERE ROCKWELL COUNTY. 
          JUST A BRIEF AGENDA FOR TODAY. 
          WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SORT OF PRESENT, UH, THE, THE INS AND OUTS OF UPDATING THE COUNTY'S MASTER FER PLAN. 
          SO I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I'LL PASS IT OFF TO EDDIE FOR HIS PROCESSES AND BUDGET IMPLICATIONS. 
          WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, DYNAMIC TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND HOW IT IMPACTS DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE CAN, UH, HAVE OUR OPEN DISCUSSION. 
          THIS IS A, A WORKSHOP, SO PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO SPEAK UP. 
          INTERRUPT ME, INTERRUPT EDDIE. 
          UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS EITHER NOW OR AT THE END. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. 
          UH, YOU MIGHT BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, LEFT MAP THERE. 
          THAT IS THE COUNTY'S THOROUGHFARE NETWORK. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S CODIFIED IN THE ROCKWELL COUNTY SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          UH, IT'S A PART OF A LARGER DOCUMENT ADOPTED IN 2019, UH, KNOWN AS THE ROCKWELL COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLANT. 
          SO THE, THE PLAN DOCUMENT WAS PRODUCED BY FREEZING NICKELS IN 2019. 
          EDDIE'S TEAM, UH, GOES OVER, UH, PRIORITIZING PROJECTS. 
          IT GOES OVER THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN NETWORK. 
          A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY A COUNTY WOULD UPDATE. 
          SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS. 
          UH, KEEPING PACE WITH CHANGING POPULATION AND, AND DEMOGRAPHICS IS ALWAYS SORT OF FRONT OF MIND. 
          YOU KNOW, AS, AS COUNTIES GROW, UH, IN SOMEWHAT UNPREDICTABLE WAYS AS OF LATE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN NETWORK, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT AMENDMENTS TO, UH, MUNICIPAL THOROUGHFARE PLANS. 
          SO AS PART OF THE EFFORT, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PARTNER CITIES, SEE WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE THERE, INTEGRATE THEM INTO A COUNTY WIDE NETWORK, UH, PROVIDE CONTINUITY WITH THE ADJACENT COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLANS AND REGIONAL PLANS. 
          OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT HAS REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES THAT IMPACT OUR COUNTY, UH, AND OF COURSE, UH, SURROUNDING COUNTIES HAVE THOROUGH FOR PLAN NETWORKS THAT IMPACT, UH, AND VICE VERSA. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS THE LATEST AND GREATEST, BASICALLY. 
          SO, NEVER GOOD, NEVER COMFORTING TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH OUTDATED INFORMATION. 
          ESSENTIALLY. 
          A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC TO ROCKWELL COUNTY'S CASE. 
          AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS UPDATE WAS IN 2019. 
          USUALLY BEST PRACTICE HAS US TAKEN AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, UH, AND THEN REALLY LOOKING AT A WHOLESALE UPDATES OR A REVAMP EVERY FIVE TO 10 YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE WRITING IN THAT RIGHT IN THAT WINDOW. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN AN ESTIMATED 30,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO OUR COUNTY SINCE 2019. 
          THAT'S BASED OFF THE 2023 CENSUS. 
          THIS DATA THAT'S OUT, UH, IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS ABOUT 10 DAILY TRIPS. 
          THAT INCLUDES PEAK HOUR TRIPS. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF START TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD, IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN NETWORK. 
          OF COURSE, THIS COURT IS REALLY LOCKED IN ON ONGOING LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. 
          I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A BIG INITIATIVE HERE AT THE COUNTY. 
          SO THINGS LIKE ETJ, OPT-OUTS, UM, THRUSTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE ETJ SQUARELY WITHIN THE COUNTY'S PURVIEW. 
          VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW OUR CITIES WILL LIKELY NOT BE GROWING VERY MUCH ANYMORE, UH, AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU MUST VOLUNTARILY ANNEX. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT SORT OF THRUST SUBDIVISION AND THOROUGHFARE PLANNING INTO THE COUNTY'S REALM. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE APPORTIONMENT DISCUSSIONS THAT WAS INTRODUCED, UH, JUST AFTER REALLY THE INITIAL, UM, 2019 THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS ADOPTED. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME CHANGING DYNAMICS AND MOVING GOALPOSTS AS IT RELATES TO COUNTY, 
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UH, REGULATORY AUTHORITY. 
          UM, ONGOING ALIGNMENT DISCUSSIONS. 
          THIS TIES BACK TO NCT COGS, UM, SORT OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. 
          WE KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF, UH, REGIONAL ALIGNMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, UPDATE TO MAKE TO THE PLAN. 
          AND OF COURSE, SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE TO ROCKWELL COUNTY WOULD BE THE RECENT ADOPTION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          UH, IT'S NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING WE SEE IN A LOT OF OUR COUNTY CLIENTS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY'S DONE. 
          I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE ALL STILL FAMILIAR, UH, ADOPTED BACK IN APRIL. 
          SO THAT PLAN, JUST TO KIND OF PULL SOME OF THAT CONTEXT FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH IS AN OBJECTIVE OF THE PLAN. 
          UH, GOVERNMENTAL TRANSPARENCY, SORT OF PROVIDING THAT PLATFORM FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE ON LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS, COLLABORATION, COOPERATION AMONG LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, YOUR CITIES. 
          THAT TIES BACK TO OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANS, TYING INTO THE OVERALL COUNTY PLAN. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, SUPPORTING HIGH QUALITY TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS. 
          IT CAN'T GET MORE EXPLICIT THAN THAT, THAT THE COUNTY THOROUGHFARE NETWORK PLAN, UH, IS CONTINGENT ON THAT. 
          SOME BRIEF OVERVIEWS, STRATEGIC GOALS AND OPERATING INITIATIVES THAT IMPACT OR, OR POINT TO OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANNING EFFORTS AS A COUNTY INTEGRATED PRIORITY BASED PLANNING. 
          YOU KNOW, WHICH PROJECTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, WHEN, HOW MUCH ARE THEY, UH, FORECASTING CAPABILITY NEEDS IN THE UNDER DEMANDING GROWTH SCENARIOS. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NO SURPRISE TO THIS COURT. 
          AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WE'RE SEEING THAT STRESS, UH, CREATING THAT ALLIANCE FURTHER, CONNECTING THAT ALLIANCE BETWEEN OUR COUNTIES, OUR CITIES, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THIS UPDATE. 
          UH, ESTABLISHING FIRM GROWTH MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES. 
          HOW DO WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN LIEU OF THIS UPDATE? SO THEY'RE ALL SORT OF INTRINSICALLY TIED. 
          AGAIN, FURTHERING THAT RELATIONSHIP WITHIN CT COG IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT AS A, AS A REGIONAL KEYSTONE. 
          UH, ROCKWELL COUNTY WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT COLLABORATION. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MONITORING TECHNOLOGIES, PREDICTING MANAGING TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS. 
          THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE THOROUGH PLANT DOES THAT'S SORT OF EXPLICIT. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, SORT OF PRIORITIZING OUR COUNTYWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, ALL THAT TO SAY THAT THE, THE COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN DOES POINT TO THIS EFFORT. 
          UH, MAYBE NOT BY NAME, BUT IN SPIRIT, AT LEAST BASED ON OUR READ. 
          AND THAT'S SORT OF, AGAIN, IMPETUS OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          BUT FOR NOW, I'LL PASS IT OFF TO EDDIE HAAS. 
          HE'LL TAKE US THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU MUCH. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. 
          UH, IT'S ONLY BEEN FIVE, SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE HERE ASSISTING THE PREVIOUS, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN. 
          UM, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS THE DESIRE TO PULL TOGETHER, MAKE SURE ALL THE CITY PLANS ARE TALKING TOGETHER, WHERE SOME OF THE ADJACENT COUNTIES WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME PLANNING INITIATIVES, HOPING THAT WE CREATE A NETWORK, PROVIDE SOME SYNERGY WITH CONNECTIVITY AND MOBILITY, OBVIOUSLY WITH WITHIN THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH WAVE THAT YOU ALL, UH, HAVE EXPERIENCED AND CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE. 
          AND SO, UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLANNING AND OUR APPROACH TO HOW WE'VE WORKED WITH SOME OF, UH, THE OTHER, UH, COUNTIES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PLAN. 
          SO WHY PLAN, UH, THOSE WHO DO THOSE WHO PLAN DO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOULD, SHOULD THEY RARELY STICK TO THEIR PLAN. 
          UH, CHURCHILL QUOTE THERE, BUT RARELY STICK TO THEIR PLAN. 
          IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH GROWTH. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, THERE'S PRESSURES WITH GROWTH. 
          THERE'S ADJACENT COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING THINGS. 
          THERE'S REGIONAL INITIATIVES GOING ON. 
          SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF, UH, ONE OF THE THEMES THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, ALSO, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING IS, IS SAFETY. 
          WE'RE IN WISE COUNTY NOW, WORKING WITH, UM, UH, UH, THEIR LEADERSHIP THERE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN. 
          AND THE COUNTY ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, SAID CHAD DAVIS, HE SAID, YOU, YOU'LL NEVER KNOW HOW MANY LIVES YOU'RE SAVING BY DOING THIS, THE PLANNING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          AND IT, IT KIND OF REALLY RESONATED. 
          AND, AND YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP HERE, THIS IS A CRASH INDEX MAP IN THE SEVERITY OF CRASHES. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S FATALITIES IN JOHNSON COUNTY OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD, 144. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          THEY NEED TO BE PROGRAMMED OUT. 
          THEY NEED TO BE LEVERAGED WITH OTHER PARTNERSHIPS, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          UM, BUT THAT CAUSED US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTIVELY PROMOTE FROM THE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE? AND YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE SAFETY ACTION PLANNING, THOSE INITIATIVES THAT ARE GOING ON, WHETHER IT'S SIMPLE THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, WIDENING INTERSECTIONS FOR SEPARATE TURN LANES, JUST TO PROVIDE THOSE TURN MOVEMENTS OR ACCESS MANAGEMENT, OR 
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I CALL IT ACCESS COORDINATION, UH, TO TRY TO HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRIVES ON KEY QUARTER. 
          JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, THAT COULD HELP. 
          BUT IN THE END, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT, IT IS MOBILITY, AND IT IS ABOUT ADDRESSING GROWTH, BUT GROWTH IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ECONOMIC ENGINE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION NEED TO WORK HAND IN HAND. 
          SO THAT LONG TERM, WE BENEFIT THE GROWTH, THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY OF THE COUNTY, ET CETERA. 
          AT THE SAME TRY TRYING TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENHANCING SAFETY IN OUR TRAVELING, UH, THE MOTORISTS. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAVE DEALT, YOU HAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU'RE MAKING THOSE HARD DECISIONS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS ON, YOU KNOW, UH, DEDICATIONS OF RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHER ACTIONS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING IT AS A LIVING DOCUMENT, MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. 
          AND THAT POLICY DOCUMENT IS NOT ONLY AIMED AT NEW DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A EXISTING SET OF, UM, SET OF FOLKS THAT LIVE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          THIS POLICY DOCUMENT IS AIMED AT INFORMING NOT ONLY DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY OUR ADJACENT OR OUR AGENCY PARTNERS. 
          THIS IS OUR INTENT LONG TERM. 
          THIS IS WHAT OUR VISIONARY NETWORK IS, BUT IT'S ALSO INFORMING THE PUBLIC GUYS, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS CERTAIN CORRIDORS. 
          YOU NOW THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN, YOU, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE BEEN USING THAT. 
          YOU ARE, WHEN YOU GET THOSE, THOSE HARD QUESTIONS, WELL, THIS IS THE KEY CORRIDORS WE'RE FOCUSED TO WHERE WE HAVE STARTED THAT PROCESS IN, IN 20, UH, 17, ADOPTED IN 2019, THAT PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING KEY CORRIDORS AND HOW THOSE QUARTERS WILL BE WIDENED LONG TERM, YES, THERE ARE GROWING PAINS, AND YOU ALL SEE THAT IN YOUR DECISION MAKING. 
          SO, UM, YES, IDENTIFYING MOBILITY ISSUES AND NEEDS, BUT AT THE HIGHER LEVEL, BECAUSE WE NEED TO IDENTIFY KEY CORRIDORS. 
          IT'S THAT PRESERVATION OF RIGHT OF WAY SO WE CAN GET THOSE CORRIDORS IMPLEMENTED. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARTERIAL CORRIDORS ARE BEING CONSIDERED 120 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG EXACTION ON DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, THOSE, THOSE CORRIDORS ARE GONNA BE NEEDED. 
          AND IF WE'RE NOT PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING IT, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE IF WE'RE REACTIVELY ADDRESSING IT. 
          YOU ALL KNOW THAT WITH A SKYROCKETING COST OF LAND, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN IS, IT'S, IT'S A PLAN, RIGHT? IT'S HIGHER LEVEL. 
          USUALLY I SAY IT'S 50,000 FEET. 
          THIS IS MORE A, AN UPDATE WOULD BE MORE AT 30,000. 
          IT'S NOT 10,000 FEET. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING IN AND ADDRESSING OPERATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          IT'S WHAT ARE THE KEY CONNECTION ISSUES? WHAT ARE THE KEY CORRIDORS THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON NOW SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN MEET WITH OUR AGENCY PARTNERS TO SAY, WE HAVE GOT TO STRENGTHEN SOME EAST, WEST CORRIDORS, OR WE NEED TO REALIGN SOME CORRIDORS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION OR THE FINAL ALIGNMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED, UM, EARLY ON WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR COUNTIES THAT WE DON'T WANNA SHOW PROPERTY LINES ON THESE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAPS BECAUSE PEOPLE HONE IN IMMEDIATELY ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND WHAT DO YOU, AND, AND THEY'RE DRILLING DOWN SO FAST, THE IMPACT TO THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WHEN THE INTENT IS WE NEED TO MAKE A CONNECTION FROM A TO B, WE RECOGNIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAPPEN, AND THAT LINE COULD DO MAKE A SQUIGGLY CURVE OR DO WHATEVER, BUT THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE BIGGER CONNECTIONS THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY AREAS, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, AT SURFACE LEVEL, WE'RE STILL AT PLANNING LEVEL OR HIGHER LEVEL IN ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS. 
          THE, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UM, SET A, SET A VISION FOR YOUR, THE ULTIMATE MOBILITY PLAN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ABOUT, UM, CONNECTIVITY AND, AND MOBILITY, BUT ALSO, UM, FISCAL STEWARDSHIP. 
          THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, AND WE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE EXISTING CAPITAL FACILITIES ON THE GROUND, HOW WE LEVERAGE THOSE. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPLICATIONS OF IMPACTS ON NEW ROADIES. 
          SO YOU HAD THIS VISION STATEMENT THAT SET, THERE WERE SOME GOALS THAT WERE DEVELOPED AND OBJECTIVES, AND ULTIMATELY ACHIEVING THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS PART OF AN UPDATE THAT YOU CONTEMPLATE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE OBJECTIVES ARE, HOW THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN, ALIGN THOSE WITH YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, OTHER ELEMENTS OF DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS OF ISSUES FORECASTED GROWTH. 
          YES, WE CAN, YOU CAN REALLY, REALLY DRILL DOWN WITH THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL. 
          AND WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ALL ACROSS THE STATE IN PREPARING INDIVIDUAL PLANS FOR CITIES. 
          OUR MPO IS VERY GOOD, AND WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A VERY, A VERY ROBUST TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL THAT WE CAN USE, UH, IN AN 
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EXISTING CONDITION. 
          UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE, WE CAN DO WITH SOME OF, WITH THE REGIONAL TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL. 
          BUT IT IS VERY, A VERY GOOD MODEL, AND IT'S A VERY GOOD TECHNICAL TOOL TO INFORM NEEDS. 
          IS IT THE FINAL TOOL? NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S ONLY ADDRESSING, THIS IS INFORMING WHAT CRITICAL, UH, MOBILITY NEEDS ARE. 
          THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU WEIGH IN ON, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS TO YOUR EXISTING RESIDENTS, ET CETERA, THE ENVIRONMENT, ALL THOSE OTHER FACTORS COME INTO PLAY AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          IN THE END THOUGH, YOU, YOU HAVE AN UPDATED THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR POLICIES THAT HELP TO INFORM THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE THAT, A COPY OF THAT AT YOUR DIOCESE WHEN YOU'RE HERE. 
          THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. 
          SO WHERE YOU COULD SAY, WELL, GOLLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR DEVELOPMENT LOOKS INTERESTING, VERY NICE, BUT WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE THAT, UH, HAS BEEN ON OUR PLAN FOR FIVE, 10 YEARS NOW, AND THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          IT'S NOT ON YOUR PLAN. 
          WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          SO YOU HAVE A, A SEAT AT THAT TABLE IN THAT DISCUSSION. 
          UH, SO THEN OBVIOUSLY THE REPORT, UH, THE DOCUMENTATION THAT GOES BEHIND IT, UM, THEN THAT INFORMS YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, ET CETERA, AND HOW YOU ALL ARE IMPLEMENTING CORRIDORS, UH, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          A COUPLE OF IMAGES HERE THAT SHOW SOME OF THE DATA COLLECTION, WHETHER IT'S CRASH DATA, WHETHER IT'S CENSUS DATA, ORIGIN DESTINATION TYPE STUFF, WHETHER IT'S FORECAST, UH, OF, UM, BIG CHANGES IN TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONES AND WHERE THOSE KEY FOCUS AREAS MIGHT BE. 
          OR ON THE TOP RIGHT LITTLE IMAGE THERE INPUT, UH, AS PART OF A SURVEY, UH, WE'VE FOUND TREMENDOUS BENEFIT IN WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER, UH, NORTH TEXAS COUNTIES WITH THE ONLINE SURVEY ABILITY JUST ON A PHONE, DROP A PEN, WHAT'S THE MOBILITY ISSUE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S A GREAT, WHAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER? UM, AND SO WE, UH, HAVE FOUND THAT TO BE VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL. 
          BUT THEN IN THE END, YOU SEE THE KIND OF GRAY IMAGES ON THE LOWER LEFT THAT'S KIND OF OF EXISTING AND FORECASTED GROWTH. 
          THIS WAS, THOSE WERE HUNT COUNTY IMAGES, AND WHAT IF THERE'S NO, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE THOROUGHFARE NETWORK? WHAT KIND OF ISSUES THOSE CREATE? AND THEN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, ISSUES AND NEEDS, KIND OF A SUMMARY ROLL UP OF WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK, UM, YOU'VE RECEIVED THROUGH A STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          YOU ALL WERE FORWARD THINKING WITH A CONSORTIUM. 
          DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL STILL USE THAT, THE CONSORTIUM. 
          GOOD, VERY GOOD. 
          UM, BUT WE, IN OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WE TAKE IT OUT TO ANOTHER LEVEL WITH STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS OF OTHER, UH, ENTITIES, WHETHER IT'S SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHETHER IT'S MAJOR, MAJOR DEVELOPERS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH SIDE OF THINGS. 
          WE CAN UNDERSTAND POLICY SIDE OF THINGS THROUGH YOUR CONSORTIUM. 
          UH, THEN OBVIOUSLY HAVING THE GOOD OLD TOWN HALL AND HAVING FOLKS COME AND POINT ON MAPS, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, PROVIDING INPUT, SECOND, PROVIDING RESPONSE TO A DRAFT PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS BEFORE IT COMES, BEFORE A, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN FINAL DECISION MAKING. 
          AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT AFFECT, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THESE, WHETHER IT'S CITY PLANS, STAKEHOLDER PREFERENCES, CHANGES IN TRANSPORTATION, MODES AND CONSIDERATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL ARE GOING THROUGH SOME, SOME ANALYSIS OF REALIGNMENT OF, UH, THE OUTER LOOP AND WHAT THE, WHAT THAT IMPLICATION MIGHT BE THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO INFORMING, UH, YOUR PROCESS ALSO. 
          SO A VARIETY OF FACTORS, BOTH INTERNAL, EXTERNAL, AND THEN BY WAY OF TRUE TRAVEL DEMAND. 
          AND SO THIS REALLY KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO A COUPLE OF KEYS TO, FOR THE SUCCESSFUL THOROUGHFARE PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S CONTINUOUS PROCESS, RIGHT? AS A LIVING DOCUMENT, YOU'RE RECEIVING INPUT AS YOU'RE CONTINUING TO GROW. 
          CONNOR IDENTIFIED, IDEALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS THING EVERY FIVE YEARS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A FRESH LOOK AT THINGS, UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S BEEN SOME KEY CHANGES. 
          CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE RANCH. 
          UM, BIG MUD IN ROCKWELL COUNTY BROUGHT A LOT OF UNANTICIPATED INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT, HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE NETWORK AND YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS PART OF NEEDS. 
          YES, THAT ALSO MEANS BACK THEN MAYBE A, MAYBE, UH, CERTAIN CORRIDORS WERE ENVISIONED AS COLLECTORS, BUT NOW BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN LAND USE, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE NEED FOR A MUCH LARGER CORRIDOR OR UPSIZING OF THOSE ALIGNMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF, UH, REFRESHING THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY POLICIES AND PROGRAMS, POLICIES BY WAY OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THAT CAN HELP INFORM ON IMPACT. 
          YOU HAVE THE TIA REQUIREMENT THAT TRIGGERS AS, AS APPROPRIATE ON, ON MITIGATION, BUT THEN ALSO PROGRAMS. WHAT, WHAT PROJECTS CAN WE LEVERAGE IF TXDOT IS DOING CERTAIN PROJECTS, IF ROCKWALL CITY IS DOING CERTAIN PROJECTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER, HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT PROJECT TO IMPLEMENT KEY MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROJECT CAN HAVE A, A, A KEY FUNCTION, UH, IN PART 
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AS PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          AND THEN IT'S ALSO THE COMMITMENT TO, TO ONGOING, UH, PLAN IMPLEMENTATION AND OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPMENT SINCE, SINCE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, THAT NO GROWTH IS NOT GOOD. 
          GROWTH IS GOOD. 
          SO, BUT HOW YOU, HOW YOU CAN, HOW YOU, UH, CONTROL THAT AND LEVERAGE THAT GROWTH FOR YOUR, UH, EEC ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR IS, IS REALLY TO, TO NOT UPDATE IT, UM, TO LET IT SIT ON THE, ON THE SHELF, NOT DO ANYTHING, UM, IGNORE WHAT SOME OF THE TARGETED ACTIVITIES WHERE YOU IN YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME GREAT FOCUSED RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO STRATEGICALLY AS A COUNTY, HOW DO YOU LEVERAGE THAT IN A SPECIFIC ACTIONS IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? BUT WHAT YOU DO WANT TO USE, WHAT YOU DO WANNA USE THE PLAN FOR IS, IS HOW YOU'RE INFORMED IN YOUR DECISION MAKING, HOW IT INFORMS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, PROGRAMMING PROJECTS THAT ARE AIMED AT ONE TO THREE YEARS, THOSE ARE IMMEDIATE, YOUR SHORT TERM, THREE TO FIVE, MAYBE MIDTERM, FIVE TO 10, THEN LONGER BEYOND 10. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT CAN BE CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF CHANGES IN GROWTH, GROWTH NEEDS, UH, AND ADAPTING TO, TO THOSE KINDS OF GROWTH ISSUES. 
          UM, YOUR ROLE IN, IN THE, IN THE UPDATE OF A PLAN IS REALLY KIND OF HELPING DEFINING WHAT SPECIFIC NEEDS DO WE NEED TO HAVE? DO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND RIGHT, THE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          DO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT REGIONAL, THE COG MODEL AND DRILL DOWN ON DEMOGRAPHICS? IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST, ARE THOSE NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ENCUMBERED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          WE, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CALL DEEPER DIVES, UM, IN JOHNSON COUNTY. 
          WE'RE DOING ONE IN DENTON COUNTY, UH, NOW. 
          'CAUSE THEY, UM, BOTH OF THOSE COUNTIES ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME KINDS OF GROWTH ISSUES YOU ARE. 
          THEY FELT THAT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE GROWTH, UH, WAS NOT ALLOCATED IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. 
          SO IT WOULD HELP TO INFORM NETWORK DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE'VE DONE DEEPER DIVES AND, AND AS I LOOK BACK AT DANIEL HARRISON, HE'S ONE OF THE FIRST TO INFORM ME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER COUNTIES WHERE WE'VE, WHERE THE URBAN PLANNING TEAM HAS PROVIDED DEMOGRAPHIC UPDATES. 
          COLLIN COUNTY, I THINK THEY SAID THEY'RE WITHIN 3% OF A FIVE YEAR MARK. 
          SO THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING POPULATION, UM, POPULATION GROWTH, AND THEN THE, THE, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL OR SOME OF THE EMPLOYMENT TYPE, UH, GROWTH, UH, THAT AS PART OF DEMOGRAPHIC EVALUATION, AND THEN HOW THAT COULD INFORM TRAVEL DEMAND PROCESSES. 
          SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          BUT THEN ALSO TO COMMUNICATE EXPECTATIONS. 
          HEY, WE'RE FIXING TO GO THROUGH AN UPDATE HERE. 
          WE WANT, IF YOU ALL DECIDE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONVEYING THAT INFORMATION. 
          YOU WANNA PROVIDE AREA OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT, WHETHER IT'S ONLINE INPUT, WHETHER IT'S IN-PERSON INPUT AT DEFINED LOCATIONS. 
          YOU WANT TO HOPEFULLY BE AT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, IF YOU ENGAGE THE, THE, UH, CONSORTIUM TO BE AN ACTIVE PART IN LEADING THAT UPDATE, UM, HOW YOU MIGHT ENGAGE WITH THEM. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CRITICAL ISSUES AND NEEDS. 
          CITIES HAVE THEIR JOB. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL THE CITIES WHAT TO DO IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE HAVE OUR JOB AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FIRST CONNECTING WITH CITY PLANS, BUT WE'RE ADDRESSING ALSO PRIORITY ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. 
          THEN ULTIMATELY GETTING THAT PLAN ADOPTED, USING IT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'D ALSO PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. 
          YOU'D ASK THE CITIES, HEY GUYS, WE NEED YOU TO MAKE SURE THIS, THE CONSULT SUCCESSFUL CONSULTING TEAM UNDERSTANDS SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOUR GROWTH PRESSURES ARE. 
          YOU HAVE UPDATED PLANS, UH, YOUR THOROUGH FOR PLAN, YOUR COMP PLANS, THAT YOU GET THAT OVER TO THE CONSULTING TEAM SO THEY CAN COORDINATE WITH THOSE ACTIVITIES AS PART OF THE PLAN PROCESS DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          WHAT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING KEY ISSUES. 
          YOU KNOW, CITY HAS DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          WE'RE IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE'RE NOT BUILDING, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING SIX LANES RIGHT OUTTA THE CHUTE. 
          WE'RE OVERTIME EXPANDING CORRIDORS. 
          UM, BUT THAT WE HAVE TRANSITION AREAS TO HOW WE HANDLE THOSE TRANSITION AREAS, PARTICULARLY BY WAY OF TAPER, TAPER DOWN FROM AN UPSIZED FACILITY, UH, INTO A, A COUNTY, RURAL COUNTY FACILITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY THIS, THIS PROJECT PHASING IMAGE IS AIMED AT DOING. 
          UM, IT, IT HELPS TO KIND OF VISUALIZE, YES, YOU HAVE SOME OF YOUR, YOUR COUNTY ROADS ARE TRUE, TWO, TWO LANE RURAL TYPE ROADS, UM, OVER TIME AS PART OF A GRANDER CORRIDOR. 
          YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S CURRENTLY A 50 FOOT PRESCRIPTIVE, RIGHT? THAT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA BE 120 FOOT ARTERIAL, YOU KNOW, IS OVER TIME THROUGH EXPANSION. 
          YOU'RE BUILDING THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR OF THE TWO LANES IN MORE OF A PERMANENT SETTING, COME BACK, UPDATE THE EXISTING SIDE, THEN YOUR INFILLING AS, AS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO OCCUR. 
          AND SO CONVEYING THIS KIND OF INFORMATION TO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, OH, OKAY, WE'LL SEE PHASING OF PROJECTS, IMPROVEMENTS OF PROJECTS, HOW WE HANDLE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS PART OF IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN. 
          SO WE CALL THIS BUDGETING IMPLICATIONS AS PRE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERATIONS, BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE FOUND, UM, THAT THE 
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COST OF, OF PLANS CAN REALLY EVOLVE AROUND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND KIND OF LEVEL OF TECHNICAL, HOW MUCH, UH, MODELING, UH, YOU, YOU WANT TO DO. 
          AND SO IN KIND OF WHAT WE CALL THE BUDGET OPTION ONE, WHERE WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TOWN HALLS AT ONE LOCATION. 
          UH, YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE A, A, A STEERING COMMITTEE, MAYBE FEWER PROJECT, UH, COLLABORATIONS USE OF EXISTING DATA THAT MIGHT, AND THAT'S COG DATA. 
          UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT UPDATING, WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL HAVE A DO A LITTLE TECHNICAL SCAN ON DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING MISSING? BUT FOR THE MOST PART, USING EXISTING DATA FOR EVALUATING THAT. 
          AND YOU CAN, IN OUR PRICE RANGE GENERALLY IS IN, IN THE MID TWO HUNDREDS, UP TO 300, DEPENDING ON DIVE THAT YOU WANT TO DO. 
          THE MORE, UH, ENGAGED, UH, TYPE ACTIVITIES ARE MORE ROBUST ON, ON STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. 
          YES, IT'S MULTIPLE TOWN HALLS AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. 
          IT'S THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, IT'S THE WEB-BASED SURVEY, OBVIOUSLY A STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          IT'S BRIEFINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, HOW THAT MIGHT ROLL OUT. 
          TYPICALLY A BANK OF MEETINGS ALSO FOR INFORMING IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY TARGETED, UM, PROFESSIONAL GROUPS OR ORGANIZATIONS TO PRESENT AT BANK OF MEETINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          BUT THEN IT'S ALSO THE FULL, A FULL MODEL UPDATE, TAKING THAT COG MODEL, CREATING AN UPDATED SCENARIO OF NETWORK BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN THE COUNTY, UPDATING DEMOGRAPHICS AND NETWORK, GIVING THAT BACK TO THE COG, THEN RUNNING IT AS PART OF THE REGIONAL, RIGHT? WE WANNA RUN IT AS PART OF THE REGIONAL MODEL BECAUSE THAT HAS EXISTING PLUS COMMITTED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SOME OF THOSE REGIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT INFORMS WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT DOING A FULL DIVE ON THE MODEL. 
          AND WE DO HAVE ALL THOSE TECHNICAL TOOLS IN HOUSE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THE LEVEL OF, OF ANALYSIS THAT Y'ALL WANNA UNDERTAKE AND THE DETAILED OF, OF ALTERNATIVES, THAT'S WHERE THINGS CAN GET KIND OF, KIND OF A LITTLE PRICEY. 
          UM, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, UM, RECENTLY DONE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE DETAILS, GIS DASHBOARD. 
          UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN GOOD AT CONVEYING INFORMATION, NOT ONLY FUNCTIONAL CLASS OF ROAD, WHAT IT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE PIPE WITH SOME OF OUR AGENCY PARTNERS. 
          YOU KNOW, FOLKS CAN CLICK ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THEY CAN SEE, OH, THIS IS PROGRAMMED FOR UPDATE IN 20 30, 20 35, OR WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          BUT THE GS GIS DASHBOARD IS, UM, HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR CONVEYING A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ALL WANNA ROLL THAT OUT. 
          UH, SO BY WAY OF MTP, UH, IMPACT, UH, UH, ON DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, AS A GUIDE, YOUR JOB IS TO ENSURE ADEQUATE RIGHT OF WAY IS BEING CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. 
          AND SO YOU ALL ARE USING THIS, UM, TO INFORM DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, YOU ALL HAVE A, A, A GOOD PLANNING PROCESS. 
          DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PRE-MEETINGS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL HERE OR NOT, BUT AS PART OF THAT OVERALL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND THE NEEDS TIA REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          SO USING THAT TO EVALUATE IMPLICATIONS, UM, BUT THEN ALSO TO COORDINATE, UM, PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WITH OTHER AGENCIES. 
          WE KNOW THAT T DOT'S GONNA UPDATE A ROADWAY AS PART OF THEIR TIP. 
          WE WANNA LEVERAGE THAT PROJECT FOR, UH, NOT ONLY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, BUT MAYBE EMPHASIZING NORTH, SOUTH OTHER CORRIDORS AND HOW THAT COULD BE LEVERAGED FROM THAT ONE PROJECT. 
          SO USING THAT TO, UH, LEVERAGE THE AGENCY ACTIVITY, WHICH THEN IN TURN BENEFITS BOTH, BOTH THE MOBILITY NETWORK, BUT ALSO INFORMS AND, AND BENEFITS THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, COMMUNITY ALSO. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS A REFERENCE WHEN DEVELOPING COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND REVISING ENGINEERING STANDARDS, ANYTHING THAT CHANGES AS PART OF THIS UPDATE, GET THAT INTO YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SO THAT THAT BECOMES YOUR NEW, UH, DESIGN GUIDE STANDARDS FOR, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THAT MIGHT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE CONTEMPLATING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IN ROCKWALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO THEN ALSO, UM, THIS PROPORTIONAL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT RECENTLY YOU ALL HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, MAYBE LOOKING AT WAYS, NUMBER ONE, YES, NEW DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS THE ROAD NETWORK PERIOD. 
          IT DOES NOT JUST IMPACT THE ROAD NETWORK ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY. 
          THERE ARE SYSTEM IMPLICATIONS. 
          SO EVALUATING AND IDENTIFYING PROPORTIONAL IMPACT, IS THIS DEVELOPMENT C COMMITTING AN AN EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS RELATIVE TO THE IMPACT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE NETWORK? OKAY, SO HOW IT IDENTIFIES PROPORTIONAL IMPACT, THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          WE'RE MAINTAINING A CERTAIN ADEQUACY. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO PROVIDE A ADEQUACY, UH, SERVICE ACROSS THE MOBILITY NETWORK. 
          YES, SOME AREAS ARE CONSTRAINED BECAUSE THE WHOLE NETWORK'S NOT IN PLACE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE GROWING PAINS OF IMPLEMENTING MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          BUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AT LEAST SHOOTING FOR THAT ADEQUACY. 
          SO WHEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED, WE HAVE A GOOD QUALITY 
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FUNCTIONING, UM, NETWORK. 
          AND THEN SOME OF WHAT WE CALL DYNAMIC CLASSIFICATION CHANGES, I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED MAJOR DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THOROUGH FAIR PLAN SHOWS A FOUR LANE MINOR ARTERIAL, A HUNDRED FOOTER RIGHT OF WAY. 
          BUT REALLY ULTIMATELY, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INTENSE, THIS NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR ARTERIAL 120 FOOT FOOTER RIGHT OF WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW THAT CORRIDOR PLAYS INTO BIGGER PICTURE, BIGGER PICTURE, UH, NETWORK DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO EVALUATE THIS. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF A SPINOFF. 
          WE'VE HELPED OTHER, OTHER, UH, COUNTY CLIENTS WITH WHAT WE CALL THOROUGHFARE PLAN ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND SO WE'RE KIND OF ON THE SIDE AND IF THERE'S A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN THAT WANTS TO CHANGE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE'RE ENGAGED TO SAY, HEY, IS THIS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT? WHAT, WHAT ARE THE KEY ISSUES? SO THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES THROUGH STAFF TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, AND WE, WE'VE WORKED IN, IN, IN A VARIETY OF, OF WAYS, WHETHER IT'S TRIGGERED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THIS WHOLE SOUTHERN SECTOR, UH, WHETHER IT'S A RESPONSE TO DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES, UH, OR WHETHER IT'S PROACTIVE PLANNING IN, IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT. 
          SO, BUT THAT ADDRESSES THIS DYNAMIC CLASSIFICATION CHANGE THAT YOU, YOU HAVE SOME INTERNAL PROCESS OF HOW YOU'RE GONNA REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. 
          IF YOU NEED THE DEEPER DIVE, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, AT THE TIME, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS SECTOR OF THE COUNTY, UH, REALLY DEVELOPING TO THIS INTENSITY. 
          WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THIS. 
          SO, UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ACCOUNTING FOR PROPER RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, UH, IS THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, HOW THAT OCCURS, YOU KNOW, SHARING THAT AND, AND THAT BURDEN, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO I, I PUT A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON, HOW COULD YOU MORE FORMALIZE THIS PROPORTIONALITY ASSESSMENT? AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST REALLY, IF WE FORMALIZE A METHODOLOGICAL APPROACH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL, RIGHT? THE GOAL OF, UM, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS NOT TO, TO PUT THE DEVELOPER ON THE HOOK FOR IMPLEMENTING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE OVER AND ABOVE HIS IMPACT. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST THAT THEY'RE, HE'S PUTTING IN, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THEIR FAIR SHARE, NO MORE, NO LESS. 
          OKAY? SO IF, IF YOU CREATE KIND OF A FORMALIZED PROCESS, UM, AND, AND WE'VE KIND OF, WE'VE DONE THIS THROUGH SOME CAPITAL RECOVERY TYPE, UH, WORK, UH, WITH OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES, BUT ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT IS SUBJECT TO THIS APPORTIONMENT, OKAY? WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE DEVELOPER A YOU'RE PROPOSING TO CONTRIBUTE WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OF WAY OR BUILDING HALF OF HALF OF A ROADWAY SECTION OR BUILDING SOME INTERSECTION. 
          WE'RE WE WANT TO EVALUATE THAT YOUR IMPACT, THAT YOUR IMPROVEMENTS ADDRESS THE IMPACT YOU'RE CREATING ON THE NETWORK. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST ADJACENT TO THE SITE. 
          THERE ARE SYSTEM IMPACTS THAT THEY'RE CREATING, RIGHT? THINK OF YOUR TRIP FROM HOME TO WORK A COUPLE MILES, MAYBE, MAYBE WALKING, BUT PROBABLY DRIVING. 
          UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IMPACTING A SERIES OF ROADS THAT WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE IMPACT NEEDS TO BE MEASURED AGAINST, NOT JUST RIGHT ADJACENT TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          SO IF WE TAKE KIND OF A HOLISTIC APPROACH WITH ONE NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR ROADS, WHETHER IT'S EXISTING ROADS OR ITS FUTURE WIDENINGS OR NEEDED PER THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, AND NEED TO NEW GROWTH CONSUMES CAPACITY, AND THAT THERE'S A COST FOR CAPACITY. 
          SO HOW DO WE FIGURE THAT OUT, RIGHT? WELL, WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          IF THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE NETWORK, WE CAN QUANTIFY, WELL, IT'S GONNA COST X HUNDRED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IMPLEMENT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          WE CAN BREAK THAT COST DOWN INTO A UNIT COST. 
          WHAT DOES IT COST TO PUT A UNIT OR ROAD ON THE GROUND AT THE SAME TIME, IF, IF WE CAN EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, WHAT IS THE IMPACT YOU'RE CREATING ON THE NETWORK WITH A DEFINED SERVICE UNIT? YOU COULD SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE SERVICE UNITS OF IMPACT YOU'RE CREATING. 
          HERE'S THE, THE SERVICE UNITS OF CAPACITY YOU'RE PROVIDING, PROVIDING HERE'S THE IMPACT TO THE NETWORK. 
          WE CAN DO THAT PROPORTIONALITY ASSESSMENT. 
          OKAY? SO, UM, AND THEN, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT HAS OPTIONS CONTRIBUTE, BUILD THE IMPROVEMENTS, CONTRIBUTE OR PAY INTO A BANK ESCROW FUNDS FOR THE COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT ROAD PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN ALL THIS WOULD BE UPFRONT, RIGHT? IT'S PART OF YOUR PLATTING PROCESS TO EVALUATE THE, THE, UM, FAIR SHARE. 
          YOU'RE NOT ASKING AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE OR LESS. 
          SO, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF CONVEY THAT THE, THE PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACHES, NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD 
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SHARE IN THE COST TO PROVIDE SERVICE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A VISION OF A THOROUGHFARE NETWORK WITH, WITH A PRICE TAG ATTACHED TO IT, AND THAT BURDEN SHOULDN'T FALL ON YOUR TAX BASE. 
          YES, TAX BASE IS GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HELP PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND THEY, AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, GROWTH IS HELPING TO PAY FOR GROWTH. 
          IT'S, I'VE WORKED WITH MANY CITIES, UM, WITH CAPITAL RECOVERY AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY GETS IT, YOU KNOW, WITH WATER WASTEWATER, OH, WE GOTTA HAVE WATER, WE GOTTA HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ROADS ARE FREE. 
          OH, NO, THEY'RE OUT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THAT GETS LOST IN TRANSLATION. 
          ULTIMATELY, THOSE ROADS NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO THOROUGHFARE PLAN STANDARD. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA COST. 
          SO THIS KIND OF CHANGES THE DYNAMIC THAT IF WE'RE, WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING ROADS, WHICH YOU ARE, YOU HAVE A BOND PROGRAM, HOW DOES THAT COST TRANSLATE TO A UNIT OF COSTS? AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE COST OF IMPACT BY DEVELOPMENT FORMALIZING SOME PROCESS. 
          SO I KIND OF START THINKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT HERE. 
          SO I'M TRYING AND DIVING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, RATHER THAN PLANNING, BUT KEY ELEMENTS THAT YOU'D WANNA CONTEMPLATE. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF LANES TO BE ADDED, RIGHT? AND SO THEN YOU CAN QUANTIFY HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS MADE AVAILABLE, WHAT COSTS OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE. 
          THEN MAYBE YOU IDENTIFY BENEFIT ZONES. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF IF THERE'S IMPACT AND THERE'S MONIES, ESCROWED, THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH A BENEFIT AREA, MONIES COLLECTED ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AREN'T FUELED. 
          SO FOR PROJECTS ON THE SOUTHEAST, WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          WE WANNA STAY WITHIN SOME KIND OF BENEFIT ZONE. 
          YOU IDENTIFY A SERVICE UNIT THAT'S COMMON TO ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          WHAT'S THE, HOW DO YOU MEASURE IMPACT? HOW DO YOU MEASURE CAPACITY? HOW DO YOU MEASURE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS SO THAT IT'S THE SAME SERVICE UNIT, PUT THAT TOGETHER, HAVE SOME IDEA OF LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          WHAT'S OUR FORECAST OF WHAT, HOW WE SEE GROWTH OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY? YES, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A WILD CARD, BUT YOU HAVE TRENDS, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY DANIEL AND TEAM CAN DO THAT PRETTY GOOD. 
          UM, BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE ASSUMPTIONS OF HOW WE'RE GROWING SO THAT WHEN THAT'S TRANSLATED INTO A COST PER SERVICE UNIT, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE CAPITAL COST, YOU HAVE SERVICE UNITS OF GROWTH, YOU CAN QUANTIFY THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT OF WHAT'S NEEDED. 
          YOU'RE NOT ASKING MORE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WHEN YOU DO THAT EVALUATION, HERE'S A COST A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SERVICE UNIT, A ROAD, YOUR DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IT IS, AND THE IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM IS GONNA GENERATE X NUMBER OF, OF SERVICE UNITS OF DEMAND. 
          TRANSLATE THAT INTO COST. 
          COMPARE THE COST OF IMPACT. 
          HERE'S YOUR PROPORTIONALITY. 
          SO YOU HAVE A TOOL. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT THAT AND HOW YOU, HOW THAT COULD BE APPLIED, BUT BOTTOM LINE, THINKING ABOUT MORE, MORE OF A FORMAL APPROACH IN, IN A NUMBER. 
          UH, SO THAT, THAT WAY YOU COULD SAY, HEY, WE GOT A WHOLE PROGRAM PREDICATED ON THIS APPORTIONMENT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD ROADS HERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, YOU EXCUSE ME. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. 
          YOU, AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU INVITED US TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          SO YES, SIR. 
          TOTALLY. 
          I'VE WAITED 37 MINUTES. 
          GOOD FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR 37. 
          BUT YOU'VE HIT SUCH A, A KEY HOT, A KEY KEY ISSUE HERE THAT WE'RE FACING IN, AND I THINK ALL COUNTIES IN TEXAS ARE FACING. 
          AND YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF A DEVELOPMENT ON AREAS OTHER THAN JUST ITS ROAD, THE, THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS. 
          CORRECT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH CONSTRUCTING A MODEL LIKE THAT AND IMPLE IMPLEMENTING IT IN A WAY THAT IS DEFENSIBLE BECAUSE, UM, MY EXPERIENCE AS A DEVELOPER MAY BE WILLING TO SAY, I WILL IMPROVE ROAD X BECAUSE IT CUTS THROUGH MY LAND, OR IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, OR I'M HAVING AN ENTRANCE, AN EXIT FROM MY DEVELOPMENT ON ROAD X, BUT YOU CAN'T CHARGE ME FOR ROAD Y, WHICH IS A MILE AWAY. 
          AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, I THINK YOU'RE PROVIDING WHAT IS, OR YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT I THINK IS CORRECT, WHICH IS KIND OF A HOLISTIC APPROACH. 
          IF I PUT DOWN A THOUSAND HOUSES AND YOU SAID THERE WAS ONE DAILY TRIP PER SINGLE FAMILY, OR FIVE DAILY TRIPS PER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, THAT WOULD MEAN I'M GONNA HAVE 5,000 DAILY TRIPS AND THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA GET ONTO ROAD X. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO EVERYWHERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO I, I LIKE THE APPROACH. 
          YEP. 
          AND IT'S SUCH A CRITICAL THING. 
          I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO 
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ASK YOU, DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES WHERE THAT, WHERE YOU'VE IMPLEMENTED IT FOR COUNTIES VERSUS CITIES AND HOW'S THAT WORKED? YES. 
          SO, UM, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, NO, STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT TO ME, HERE'S WHERE WE'D WANT COUNTY ATTORNEY ADVICE. 
          IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE IDENTIFYING A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND WE'RE IDENTIFYING A CIP, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE ROADS WE NEED, DEFINITELY WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THERE'S A COST TO ALL THIS. 
          AND WE'RE FORMALIZING IT WITH, THIS IS THE CIP, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ON, AND, AND HERE'S THE COST OF THAT. 
          THEN WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT, THAT NUMBER CRUNCH. 
          BUT STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THOSE KINDS OF CAPITAL RECOVERY. 
          NOW WE HAVE DONE IT FOR CITIES ALL ACROSS THE STATE. 
          WE'VE DONE IT FOR CITIES AND THEIR ET JS SO THAT THEY CAN ANTICIPATE THIS SAME KIND OF QUESTION. 
          BUT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, WE HAVE NOT, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR ASSESSMENTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT COSTS. 
          WELL, IT WOULD IDENTIFY DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? IT WOULD IDENTIFY WHAT THE COST OF IMPACT COULD BE OR WOULD BE BASED ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. 
          A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF SHOPPING CENTER, THERE'S A SERVICE UNIT GENERATION TIED TO THAT, RIGHT? ITE HAS TRIP GENERATION RATES. 
          AND, AND IF THERE'S SOME TRIP LENGTH INFORMATION, WE COULD HAVE SOME, A SERVICE UNIT GENERATION BY LAND USE TYPE. 
          SO STAFF WILL RECEIVE ANY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF LAND USES. 
          WE CAN QUANTIFY WHAT THE IMPACT IS. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S THE SERVICE UNITS OF IMPACT YOUR DEVELOPMENT'S PUTTING ON THE NETWORK. 
          HERE'S OUR NETWORK THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BOLD DOWN TO OUR CIP AND WE CAN QUANTIFY WHAT IT COSTS FROM THE PLANNING SIDE. 
          IT COSTS A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SERVICE UNIT TO PUT ROAD, ROAD DOWN. 
          HERE'S THE IMP OR HERE'S THE NUMBER OF SERVICE UNITS OF DEMAND. 
          HERE'S THE SERVICE UNIT SUPPLY. 
          AND WHAT THAT COST IS. 
          WE CAN COMPARE THE TWO. 
          SO, SO AT BOTTOM LINE, AT YOUR QUESTION TO YOUR QUE, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, IT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED, BUT WE, IT HAS NEVER ADVANCED BEYOND THE IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU, MY, MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU DEFINE A FORMALIZED PROCESS OF HOW THAT COULD WORK, IT BECOMES MORE DEFENSIBLE. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS TRUE SYSTEM IMPACT VERSUS SITE BY SITE BASIS. 
          WELL, I, OKAY, I I'M GONNA LEAVE IT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I'M AFRAID I'M ON THE VERGE OF DERAILING YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          OH, NO, NO, ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. 
          WE'RE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE Q AND A. 
          SO, BUT I, I, I, OBVIOUSLY YOU SAID MADE REFERENCE TO CURRENT STATE LAW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT OBVIOUSLY BELIEVES WE GOTTA COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, BUT WE WANT TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES TO, UH, USE STATE LAW, WHICH DOES ALLOW APPORTIONMENT COSTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S WHY I INTERRUPTED YOU, SO THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONTO THE SERIOUS BUSINESS OF EXACTIONS, RIGHT? NEW DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO DO THEIR THING. 
          YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE LAND. 
          SO YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO GROW A MOBILITY NETWORK THAT'S NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS GROWTH. 
          AND THERE'S AN IMPACT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW, HOW THAT GETS PAID FOR THAT BURDEN SHOULD NOT FALL IN YOUR TAX BASE. 
          RIGHT? I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          AND IN FACT, YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS RECENTLY HELPED US WITH THIS ON A PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REALLY, UH, TO ME, THIS IS A KEY PART OF ANALYZING WHETHER OR NOT TO PROCEED WITH OR NOT. 
          IT'S AN IMPLEMENTATION TOOL, RIGHT? I, I AGREE. 
          SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE APPORTIONMENT, THE ABILITY TO CALCULATE THE APPORTIONMENT. 
          IT CAN'T BE ARBITRARY. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GIVING US IS A, A PRESET, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT A BIG PICTURE THAT TAKES FULL IMPACT OF A DEVELOPMENT INTO THE APPORTIONMENT CALCULATION. 
          SO THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S JUST ONCE AGAIN, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL ASKED OURSELVES ARE, ARE WE WILLING TO BE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR AGAIN? AND , THAT'S AN IDEA FOR IMPLE IMPLEMENTING YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, RIGHT? THE FISCAL PART OF IT. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER, THE OTHER ELEMENTS. 
          AND THAT IS WHATEVER UPDATE YOU DO, CREATE THAT COMES OUTTA YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UPDATE THOSE UPDATED DESIGN STANDARDS, GET INTO YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION SO THAT IT CAN INFORM WHAT THAT SECTION, THE ULTIMATE SECTION LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES AND THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF, HEY, HERE'S THE DESIGN STANDARD FOR THIS CLASS OF ROAD. 
          YOU'RE COMING ON THIS CLASS OF ROAD, WE'RE GONNA NEED A, WE'RE GONNA NEED A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND OR IMPROVEMENT. 
          OR IF YOU'RE, IF THEY'RE DOING IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT, AND ULTIMATELY IT BOILS DOWN TO COST. 
          WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT IMPROVEMENT OR THE COST OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO, UH, SO YOU WERE 37 MINUTES. 
          YOU WERE RIGHT AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION ANYWAY, SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLANNING. 
          AS, AS 
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CONNOR MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WORKING WITH COUNTIES AT THE HIGH LEVEL PLANNING, DEFINING THE NEEDS, UM, UH, AND ALSO OUR FIRM WORKS WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES, BUT WE'VE HAD SUCCESS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL FOR THOROUGH FAIR PLAN. 
          SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS PART OF AN UPDATE, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          SO I, I HAVE A, A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          STAKEHOLDERS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHAT, WHO, WHO ALL IS CAUGHT IN THE NET OF STAKE? SO WE, WE SEE THAT AS KIND OF A BROADER, UH, A BROADER, UH, NET OF CAPTURE. 
          NOT ONLY IS IT LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY, MAYBE THERE'S, IF THERE'S BIG DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES, MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          MAYBE YOU HAVE AS PART OF THE STAKEHOLDER, UH, OR THE CONSORTIUM, YOU ADD EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS, TDOT, NCT, COG. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN WATCHING THE PLAN PROCESS. 
          WE DID THIS IN JOHNSON COUNTY JUST RECENTLY. 
          THEY WERE EX-OFFICIO AS PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          THEY LOVED IT. 
          THEY KNEW THEY COULD SEE ALL THE PLANNING GOING ON. 
          OF COURSE, QUESTIONS START, GET ASKED TOWARD THOSE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS OVER HERE? THEY WOULD IDENTIFY, HERE'S WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS, ET CETERA. 
          BUT THEY, THEY GOT IT. 
          AND SO THAT HELPS IT JUST, ONCE YOU START GAINING SYNERGY WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT, IT KIND OF TENDS TO GROW. 
          BUT YOU'D WANT, UM, SOME EX OFFICIO DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UH, MAJOR EMPLOYERS, MAYBE SOME ISD TYPE FOLK. 
          UM, DOES IT INCLUDE CITIZENS? OH, AND YEAH, DEFINITELY CITIZENS, YEAH. 
          FOLKS THAT ARE, WE'VE, WE'VE ADVISED, UH, A LITTLE MEMO WE'VE ADVISED ON THE KIND OF FOLKS YOU WANT ON YOUR COMMITTEE, FOLKS THAT ARE VISIONARY, THAT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND GROWTH ON THE COUNTY THAT ARE THINKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND, AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          A SIZE, MAYBE 10, 10 TO 12. 
          WE'VE FOUND THAT YOU GET ABOVE 12, YOU GET FACTIONS, YOU KNOW, THINGS GET A LITTLE, BECOMES MORE VOTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAAS? JUST REAL QUICK. 
          ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SLIDES HAD THE HUNT COUNTY ON THERE THAT YOU HAD DONE, AND HOW LONG AGO WAS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN YOUR HUNT, HUNT COUNTY, WE ADOPTED OR WE HELPED THEM, AND THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS 22, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          JANUARY OF 22. 
          AND, AND, UM, COLLIN COUNTY'S NOT ONE THAT'S, NO, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ON TEAMS WHERE WE'VE SUPPORTED IN THAT ROLE, BUT NOT ON THE THOROUGHFARE POINT. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FIRE AWAY. 
          UM, I, THE, THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL FOR COMING OUT. 
          OH, SURE. 
          AS YOU'RE, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A THOROUGHFARE PEER PLAN HERE THAT WAS, UH, THAT YOU HELPED US WITH AND WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2019, WHICH MEANS THE DATA WAS PROBABLY ALL GATHERED IN 17 AND 18. 
          SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PAST DUE, I THINK, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE GROWTH. 
          YOU SAID 30,000 PEOPLE SINCE THEN. 
          I WOULD GUESS IT'S MORE THAN THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A BIG NUMBER. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE JUST BEING DISCUSSED AND OR PLANNED IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW CONNOR IS DEEPLY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          AND IN PRECINCT THREE, WHICH IS THE PRECINCT I LIVE IN, UM, WE HAVE PROBABLY THE LARGEST SECTIONS OF WHAT YOU MIGHT REFER TO AS UNDEVELOPED LAND, UM, AND LAND THAT IS PRIMED FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE WHAT WE DID IN 2019 WAS DONE BASED UPON WHAT WAS ON THE GROUND AT THAT TIME, AND DID NOT INCORPORATE OR PLAN FOR, UH, 10,000 TO 20,000 NEW HOMES, WHICH PEOPLE ARE KICKING AROUND THE IDEAS OF. 
          AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT, AND ONE OF OUR GOALS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT, UM, ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO CREATE AN OASIS, A LOW DENSITY COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR. 
          BUT WHATEVER LEVEL OF DENSITY COMES IN THERE, WE WILL HAVE GROWTH. 
          AND WHAT I SAW DIDN'T SEEM TO CONTEMPLATE THAT GROWTH. 
          SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO A, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE OR WE DO A NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO THOSE GROWTH 
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MODELS SO THAT WE CAN DO WHAT YOU DISCUSSED A MINUTE AGO, WHICH WAS UNDER THE AUTHORITY GIVEN TO US BY STATE LAW, WE CAN GO TO A PROPO, A DEVELOPER WHO'S COMING IN AND SAYING, WELL, HERE IS WHAT WE SEE, AND HERE'S WHAT WE THINK. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN A 5,000 HOME DEVELOPMENT, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED, AND HERE'S WHY WE THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED A FOUR LANE INSTEAD OF A TWO LANE, AND ENFORCE THAT. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S A BIG QUESTION, AND I'M STARTING TO WANDER, SO I'M GONNA STOP THE QUESTION. 
          BUT HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THOSE GROWTH THAT WE SEE COMING INTO THIS PLAN? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S THE LARGEST BENEFIT OF DOING THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR STARTERS, WOULD TAKE THE NCT COG DATA, RIGHT? AND EACH YEAR THEY RENEW THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THEY PASS THAT OUT TO THE, THE CITIES, THEY PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THAT, THAT GOES BACK INTO THE PROCESS. 
          START WITH THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS ON POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT, THEN DO A DEEPER DIVE WITH THE PLAN WITH EACH COMMUNITY IN, IN TERMS OF ASKING THEM WHAT'S, WHAT'S COMING WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? WHAT'S ENCUMBERED, WHAT'S VETTED? SO, UM, WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MAY NOT HAVE HIT THE DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU KNOW, COG DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB OF FORECASTING. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THERE'S ANTICIPATED GROWTH, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TRENDS. 
          AND IF EVERY, EVERY COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IS THE, IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NUMBERS THAT MIGHT NOT ALIGN WITH HOW THINGS HAVE GROWN HISTORICALLY. 
          BUT TAKE THE DATA THAT IS, THAT STARTS FROM THE NPO AND THEN DO A DEEPER DIVE CITY BY CITY SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THOSE AREAS IN THE ETJ UNDERSTAND WHERE WHAT KIND OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IS ALREADY VESTED, UH, AND ENCUMBERED. 
          UH, AND THEN TRY TO HAVE AN EYE TOWARD, UH, FORECASTING. 
          ALL RIGHT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE COUNTY? WHAT IS THAT LIKELY TO BE? AND YOU ALL MAY KNOW THAT FROM YOUR, UM, FROM YOUR PLANNING, OKAY, WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE, OR THERE IS A MUD THAT HAS SHOWN UP AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THIS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND THEY BRING THOSE INTO THE, INTO THE ANALYSIS OF DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          AND THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT ANALYSIS. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER COUNTIES. 
          THEN LOOKING, UH, AT, AT THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS PART OF MODELING, THEN GIVING THAT BACK TO COG AND HAVING THEM RUN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A MORE INFORMED MODEL AND OUTPUT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF. 
          THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE DEDICATION PROCESS. 
          SO THERE, UM, SO, SO IF YOUR FER PLAN IS ROOTED IN TECHNICAL, WE KNOW THAT BASED ON THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, YOU KNOW, 2 0 5 IS GONNA BE CARRYING 45,000. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE EVERY, EVERY BIT OF SIX LANES ON EITHER SIDE THAT YOU, THAT'S YOUR POLICY DOCUMENT. 
          AND THE STANDARD WITH AN ARTERIAL IS 120 FOOT. 
          AND IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING ALONG 2 0 5, HERE'S, THIS IS THE POLICY THAT OF, UH, OF THE DEDICATION. 
          BUT YES, THEN YOU, ON THE IMPLEMENTATION SIDE, YOU NEED TO EVALUATE, ARE WE ASKING TOO MUCH OF THIS DEVELOPER IS RIGHT OF WAY JUST ENOUGH? OR IS IT RIGHT OF WAY PLUS IMPROVEMENTS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING TO DO. 
          SO THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON THERE, BUT YES, DEEPER DIVE ON DEMOGRAPHICS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN HERE, THEN PUT IT BACK IN THAT REGIONAL MODEL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE TRUE IMPLICATIONS ARE WITH OTHER REGIONAL COMMITMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN UNDERSTANDING THE DEMOGRAPHICS FROM THE EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY ON WHAT, WHAT THAT REALLY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          WE, UM, IN JOHNSON COUNTY, UM, WE, BASED ON ENCUMBERED, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ANTICIPATED, WE HAD AN INCREASE OF WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND OVER AND ABOVE THE COG DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE INCLUDED IT AS PART OF SUB AREA MODELING, AND THAT ENABLED US TO DO A LITTLE MORE TECHNICAL WORK AND PART OF OUR ANALYSIS. 
          NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PROCESS THAT'S OCCURRING. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT UP OUR MPO, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DO THEY DO A GOOD JOB, BUT YOU ALL KNOW, EACH MUNICIPALITY KNOWS WHAT'S, WHAT'S COMING IN FIVE YEARS THAT MAYBE COG CANNOT ANTICIPATE. 
          SO THEY HAVE A BLIND SPOT FOR MUDS. 
          I, I, I'LL JUST SAY THAT OUT LOUD. 
          AND YOU KNOW, BACK TO YOUR POINT IN 2019 WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED, C STILL HAD THE AUTHORITY AND THE RIGHT TO ANNEX LAND IN THE ETJ. 
          SO WE ADOPTED THIS PLAN JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER, THE WHOLE WORLD CHANGED. 
          EVERYTHING SHIFTED. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU COULDN'T ANNEX BY, RIGHT? 
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NETJ, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, I IS WHAT ESSENTIALLY REQUIRED DROPPING THE REINS AND JUST LETTING DEVELOPMENT RUN JUST AS FAST AS IT WANTED TO RUN. 
          UH, SO YEAH, WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T CALCULATING, WE WERE PLAYING BY A SET OF RULES THAT, THAT WERE CHANGED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, IF WE CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD, UH, WE NEED TO CALCULATE ETJ, LIKE THE WILD WIDE WEST THAT IT IS, AND ALSO FORCE THE CONVERSATION OF MUDS. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, NOT ONE MUD HAS SHOWED UP. 
          11, WE, WE HAVE 11 IN THE COUNTY, AND, AND THAT IS, UH, JUST A, A MATH PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT REALLY, I, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SOLVE. 
          IT'S HARD TO SOLVE THAT MATH PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A SURPRISE Y YES. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          SO, UH, I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO SOME BETTER CALCULATIONS ON THE ETJ, BUT, BUT ALSO, UM, WE, WE KNOW THE, THE SCOPE, UH, AND THE PACE THAT, THAT THE MUDS ARE, ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO. 
          SO WE, WE CAN DO THE MATH NOW. 
          UM, AND IT, IT, I, I LIKE THE HOLISTIC APPROACH. 
          UH, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE HONEST AND, UH, UH, JUDGE TO YOUR COMMENT, WHICH I THINK IS RIGHT ON, UM, WE, WE MAY NOT LIKE TO PLAN FOR MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT. 
          UM, BUT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IF WE, IN, IF WE PLAN FOR IT, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD HELP US TO, UH, INCORPORATE AND ENFORCE THE APPROPRIATIONS YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHICH AGAIN, WE DO HAVE LIMITED RIGHT TO DO, AND WE AS A COUNTY HAVE STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          HADN'T GOT WANT US A LOT OF LOVE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO MEET A LOT OF NEW LAWYERS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, I GUESS. 
          UM, UH, SO WE, IT, IT, WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR THAT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT. 
          AND THEN IF WE'VE PLANNED FOR IT, THEN WE'VE GOT A ROAD PLAN THAT'S OUT THERE WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, IF YOU'RE COMING IN TO DO THIS, WHERE I'D LIKE TO GET IS TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD SAY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND I KEEP FOCUSING ON PRECINCT THREE, BUT IT AFFECTS ALL THE PRECINCTS, UM, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PRECINCT THREE, THEN I, I WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A PLAN THAT SAYS, HERE, WE NEED A TWO LANE PAVED HERE. 
          WE NEED A FOUR LANE PAVED HERE. 
          WE NEED SIX LANE PAVED, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          AND IT MAKES SENSE, NOT ONLY TO US, BUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT IS COMING AND SAYING, WE WANT TO BUILD IN YOUR COUNTY. 
          AND I'M THINKING, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN GIVE US. 
          I'M HOPING WE, WE ACTUALLY, UM, DANIEL DANIEL'S TEAM, UH, IN, OVER IN DENTON, THEY, THEY CAPTURED ALL OF THE, THE SCHOOL PROJECTIONS FROM THE ISDS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE REPORT, ZENDA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? ZONDA. 
          ZONDA. 
          BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO CA, I MEAN, 'CAUSE RIGHT, ISDS IS FORECASTING BASED ON THE GROWTH THEY'RE SEEING. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DEMOGRAPHIC ELEMENT TO CONSIDER AS PART OF DEEPER DIVES. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM ISDS WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM TOO IS PART OF THAT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          EACH CITY HAS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE ALL THAT. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO , YOU HAVE A WILD CARD IN LAND USE IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND SO IT'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT REALISTICALLY MIGHT BE SO WE CAN BE THINKING ABOUT IT AS PART OF YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE. 
          THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION ALSO. 
          'CAUSE WHEN YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES, THEY ARE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME TYPE OF A FUTURE LAND USE MM-HMM . 
          PLAN, MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT IS INCLUDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AT LEAST THERE'S AN EYE TOWARD IT. 
          RIGHT? IT, IT MAY NOT BE MAXIMUM. 
          'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE LOGICALLY THINKING BASED ON KNOWN ACTIVITY, WHAT'S ANTICIPATED BY OTHER AGENCY PARTNERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS PART OF THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I WANNA, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMPLIMENTING AND TALKING ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THIS COURT OR, AND FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A PLAN. 
          AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION AND THIS MOBILITY THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED GOALS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE, THE KPIS. 
          AND THAT WILL ALSO HELP, I THINK, WITH THE DEVELOPERS WE'RE TALKING WITH. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE THAT AND WE'VE ADOPTED IT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS 
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THAT WE, WE'VE ALL, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF THE, THE, UM, AN INTERESTING, AN INTERESTING, UM, CONUNDRUM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, COUNTIES AND CITIES, UM, OUR, OUR MANAGEMENT OR OUR CONTROL, HOWEVER WORD YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, THAT'S BEING REMOVED AND THAT'S GOING TO, AND IT'S, AND IT'S MORE IN FAVOR DEFINITELY FOR DEVELOPERS AS WELL AND, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS OUR GOVERNOR HAS, HAS ONE OF HIS EDICTS. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO ALSO PROBABLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA SO THAT AS WE GET READY TO GO BACK TO THE NINE WITH THE 90TH SESSION, WE'VE GOTTA WORK HARD TO TRY TO, UM, I MEAN, NOT JUST ROCKWALL, I MEAN, WE KNOW WE WE'RE, THAT'S, WE'RE AT THE TIP OF THAT SPEAR AS, AS THE JUDGE LACKS TO SAY. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THAT'S, THAT'S GOTTA PLAY A LARGE ROLE FOR COUNTIES AND CITIES AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, TO, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. 
          SOME OF THAT BOILS TO TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, CITIES THAT HAVE CAPITAL RECOVERY PROGRAMS, JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          JUST SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I KIND OF STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM APPROACH, THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA BE NEEDED, AND WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO, WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN AND HOW WE COULD USE THAT FOR EVALUATING THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE UPFRONT STRONG CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOP THE DEVELOPER, HEY, YOUR IMPACT IS GONNA COST, IS GONNA GENERATE THIS MUCH ACTIVITY. 
          YOU'RE ONLY PROVIDING THIS, THERE'S A BIGGER IMPACT THAT YOU'RE CREATING. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CONVERSATION. 
          UM, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE A QUESTION, NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR OUR COURT HERE. 
          UM, WE'VE JUST SPENT AN HOUR OF OUR LIVES, UH, ON A VERY VALUABLE TOPIC. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU LEARNED SOME THINGS TOO, . 
          YEAH, HE SAVED IT. 
          HE SAVED IT RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT. 
          SO NO  YEAH, WE HAVE, BUT THE REASON I, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS NOT JUST THAT I'M GETTING OLD AND I HAVE FEWER VAL FEWER HOURS, BUT WE'VE ALL SPENT TIME ON THIS. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION TO THE COURT IS, UH, THEY HAVE MADE A PROPOSAL AND THEY'VE SAID, WELL, HERE'S A COUPLE PRICING OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, TWO 50 HERE TO 4 54, 400 TO 4 75. 
          AND HOW DO WE AS A COURT GET SERIOUS ENOUGH TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER? BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT'S GOOD. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU, WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT THIS, THIS HOUR OF OUR, OF OUR LIVES. 
          UM, BUT, BUT HOW DO WE GET TO THE STAGE WHERE WE COME BACK AND SAY, WE THINK A, AN AMENDMENT SHOULD BE DONE OR A NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOULD BE DONE, AND THIS IS THE MODEL WE WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          AND I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE CREATE A, A I'LL ANSWER MY OWN QUESTION AND THEN ASK FOR INPUT , BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE CREATE A WORKING GROUP AND WE INCLUDE OUR COUNTY ENGINEER AND WE INCLUDE THE FOLKS FROM FRIES AND NICHOLS AND OTHER PEOPLE, MAYBE A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND WE TRY TO DEFINE THE MODEL AND THE STUDY WE WANNA LOOK AT AND BRING IT BACK BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE PRECIOUS FEW RESOURCES AND WE WANT TO USE THEM WISELY. 
          SO BEFORE WE DO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD APPROACH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? NO, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE FOR LEGAL AND NOT FOR THE ENGINEER. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          [3. Discussion of updating the Thoroughfare Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DISCUSSION OF UPDATING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          NOW, , I THINK YOUR POINT'S A GOOD POINT, UH, SETTING A A, A COMMITTEE OBVIOUSLY INVOLVING THE, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, SOMEBODY FROM LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COURT AND, AND BRINGING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, ASKING GO, GO AHEAD. 
          ARE, ARE YOU GONNA ASK ABOUT BOND MONEY? , IS THAT ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER STACY? I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A BOND MONEY PAY FOR THIS. 
          I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN, BUT I HAVEN'T BELIEVE SPOT YET. 
          BUT GO AHEAD. 
          I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. 
          I THINK BOND MONEY CAN PAY FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO THIS THOROUGH OUR PLAN, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, SO CONSTRAINED THAT WE DON'T GO WITH THE RIGHT PLAN. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE BOND MONEY, BECAUSE I THINK OUR CITIZENS DESERVE THE BEST PLAN WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AND IT'S GONNA BE SO IMPACTFUL ON OUR FUTURE. 
          UM, YOU, WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE LAST ONE, UM, I DO TOO. 
          UM, BUT, UM, WE 
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KNOW A LOT MORE THAN WE KNEW THEN NOW. 
          I THINK SO TOO. 
          AND WE, AND THE LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH WITH THE LEGISLATURE, AND I THINK NOW IS THE TIME THAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT AND MAKE THE ABSOLUTE BEST PLAN WITH THE MOST DATA THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA, UM, ASK DEVELOPERS TO, TO COME IN AND, AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THEIR IMPACT, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING LEGITIMATE THAT WE CAN SHOW THEM. 
          AND THIS WILL GIVE US THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND COMMISSIONER ALANA, THE THE NEXT PERSON TO ASSIST IN YOUR SEAT IS GONNA LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND GO, MAN, I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PLAN. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND THERE WILL BE PROBLEMS WITH THE PLAN. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN CITY PLANNING FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS, IT FEELS LIKE, AND, AND, AND I'VE GONE AND LOOKED AT PLANS I'VE VOTED ON WITH ENTHUSIASM AND SAID, WHAT IN THE WORLD? OH YEAH, MY NAME'S ON THAT. 
          NO, I'M KIDDING. 
          BUT I'M NOT, UM, . 
          BUT I THINK THAT JERRY, I KNOW I'M JERRY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT GONNA SOUND LIKE I NEED TO STOP THEN IF I SOUND LIKE JERRY JONES. 
          UM, BUT I, I DO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I, I DO THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE OWED THAT, AND, AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS ARE OWED THAT IN A, IN A GROWTH PATTERN EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. 
          BECAUSE IN FIVE YEARS WE'RE GONNA LOOK BACK AND GO, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT HERE TO GIVE A, A, YOU KNOW, A SPEECH OR ANYTHING. 
          I JUST THINK THAT YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          WE NEED TO USE BOND MONEY. 
          WE NEED TO DO THE MOST AGGRESSIVE PLANNING THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND THEN IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE THE COURT TO JUMP RIGHT BACK INTO THAT PLANNING EFFORT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN POINTS TO. 
          THAT'S WHAT OUR CITIZENS DEMAND AND NEED. 
          OR ELSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE VICTIMIZED BY OUR GROWTH RATHER THAN CAPITALIZING OFF OF OUR GROWTH. 
          SO, NO, I'M, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I I DO AS WELL. 
          AND, AND JUST GETTING THE RIGHT PLAN, I THINK IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          'CAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA BE LABELED EXHIBIT A AND, AND BROUGHT FORWARD IN, IN A LAWSUIT. 
          UH, SO, AND, AND I DO AGREE GETTING WITH THE RIGHT, GETTING THE RIGHT PLAN, BUT I THINK HE MADE SOME REAL GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ON MAKING SURE WE GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF THAT PLAN TOO. 
          YEP. 
          SO I THINK, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, I THINK OUR COMMISSIONER IN PRECINCT THREE IS CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, IS THE BIGGEST AREA OF GROWTH, NOT NOT JUST BY SIZE, BUT JUST BY UNDEVELOPED LAND. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT YOU BE ON IT. 
          UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO. 
          AND THEN WHO, WHO ELSE WOULD WE WANT FROM THE COURT? UH, I THINK MAYBE IF WE GET ONE MORE OF US MM-HMM . 
          WELL, AND FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT MAKING SURE THE ENGINEERS ON IT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          LEGAL. 
          WE WOULD WANT CRAIG ON IT. 
          UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T VOTE TODAY, SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SPIT SPIT BALLING. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING. 
          IT'S A WORKSHOP. 
          . 
          WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING. 
          UM, I, I, I, I WANNA THANK STAFF FOR A MINUTE. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER, I MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONER MICK'S BEEN GOING AROUND ON THE, ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, REALLY TALKING TO, TO A LOT OF OUR FOLKS IS I, I, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANNA GET THE COMMITTEE SO BIG, IT'S JUST GONNA SIT AND, AND, AND SPUTTER. 
          BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY OUR ENGINEER HAS EXPERTISE THAT IS VALUABLE. 
          OUR LEGAL HAS EXPERTISE THAT IS VALUABLE. 
          UM, DO WE WANNA BRING GIS IN AS WELL? WELL, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A SMALL GROUP TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL, RIGHT. 
          OF OF WHAT, WHAT AND THEN SCOPE OF PLAN EXACTLY. 
          DO WE WANT TO PURSUE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND MY MY POINT WOULD BE THAT'S ALMOST A BIG ENOUGH GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF COMMISSIONER LTY, IF, IF CRAIG, AND IF ERICA AND THE FRIES AND NICHOLS TEAM REALLY WENT TO EVALUATE THIS, I THINK THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL. 
          THE ONE ADDITIVE OF HAVING AN ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO FIND ONE MORE PERSON TO AGREE WITH YOU, BECAUSE THE OTHER PERSON'S BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED. 
          BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TO GET US A GOOD PROPOSAL AND, AND, AND, AND MY OPINION, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE REALLY WANTS TO JUMP ON AND, AND START THE PLANNING AND, AND, AND FIGURING IT OUT, AND I CAN EASILY GIVE MY LEGAL QUESTIONS TO LAUREN FOR HIM TO GO GET SORTED OUT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF Y'ALL AGREE WITH ME, BUT I, I THINK THAT COMMITTEES GET SO BIG, IT JUST BECOMES SO MANY MEETINGS AND SO MANY THOUGHTS AND, AND, AND, AND TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IN, IN MY OPINION. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          UN, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE IS JUMPING AT THE BIT TO, TO GET ON THE PLANNING. 
          I'M JUMPING AT THE BIT TO GET A THOROUGHFARE PLAN STARTED. 
          , I'M, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH COMMISSIONER LICHTY BECAUSE HE WAS, YOU'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL. 
          SO DID YOU JUST SAY I AM TOO? NO. 
          OH. 
          OH. 
          BUT I REALLY DO, BECAUSE NO, I, I'M GONNA TRY, ARE YOU JUST SMILING AT HER? NO, I'M NOT SMILING AT HER. 
          WIPE IT OFF. 
          . 
          WHAT, WHAT HAVE I MISSED? OH, THE WHOLE THING. 
          THE WHOLE THING MISSED A FUNE YESTERDAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. 
          UH, SO I, I'M THINKING COMMISSIONER LTE, UH, ERICA BRIDGES COUNTY ENGINEER. 
          CRAIG COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND, AND GIS AND GI IS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S PLENTY. 
          YEP. 
          [01:10:01]
I'M SORRY. 
          I, I, I THINK THAT'S PLENTY. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING A PROPOSAL BACK TO US. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE WE MAKE ANOTHER WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN REALLY FOCUS IN ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND, AND, AND WHAT IT MEANS. 
          OR MAYBE WE DON'T. 
          I WOULD MAYBE WE'LL JUST BRING IT BACK TO COURT AND IDEALLY BRING IT TO COURT, DO A QUICK PRESENTATION OF WHY YOU'RE CHOOSING THIS LEVEL AND WHAT IT GIVES US. 
          AND, AND LET'S, THE, THE ONLY THING I, AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER PERSON RIGHT NOW, BUT THE GIS REPORTS TO OUR, OUR ENGINEER. 
          SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE THE VALUE OF HAVING THE EMPLOYEE, THE, THE GIS EMPLOYEE BECAUSE REPORTS TO OUR ENGINEER. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER IN ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE IN, UH, IN, THAT'S PART OF OUR, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO IT IS. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF MY MIND. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS, IS LET'S JUST GET THIS MEMORIALIZED AND STARTED, LET'S PUT IT ON, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. 
          LET'S, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'VE ALL POSTED, SO LET'S JUST PUT IT ON THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO VOTE ON THE COMMITTEE AND GET IT STARTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT, IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THINK, TO KIND OF MAKE SOME THINKING AND, AND MAYBE HAVE SOME INQUIRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE  BY NEXT WEEK. 
          NO, NO. 
          I MEANT THE COMMITTEE. 
          I MEANT WE VOTE. 
          WE VOTE, VOTE ON, ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY WHY I DON'T, 'CAUSE THEN WE FORMALIZE THE COMMITTEE. 
          WE ACTUALIZE THE COMMITTEE. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THAT GIVES US TIME TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO ASK CRAIG'S PERMISSION. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HE'S NOT HERE. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND GET, AND, AND MAYBE ADD A, A PERSON OR TWO INTO IT. 
          AND THEN IF A COMMISSIONER THINKS ABOUT IT AND SAYS, HEY, I'D REALLY LIKE TO, TO JUMP ON THIS EFFORT, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK WE JUST KIND OF, UH, UH, ASSUME THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          I, I KIND OF ASSUME THAT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          , SOUNDS GOOD. 
          HEY, I, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO FREEZE AND NICHOLS, AND I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM LEADING UP TO THIS MEETING, AND YOUR PRESENTATION WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING IT WOULD BE. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, AND THANKS TO THE COURT FOR WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND, UM, UH, I, I LOVE THE, THE UNANIMITY WE'VE EXPRESSED HERE ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND FINDING A WAY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          SO THANKS. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL BRING SOME, WE'LL, I GUESS WE'LL VOTE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          WE'LL HAVE A COMMITTEE TO VOTE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          UH, ALL 
          [4. Discussion of submitted Road Projects, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]
RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION OF SUBMITTED ROAD PROJECTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE GOTTA PICK PROJECTS SO WE CAN COME UP WITH C COME ON, COME ON UP. 
          BRENDA, WHILE, WHILE I'M TALKING, UH, WE GOTTA PICK PROJECTS SO WE CAN COME UP WITH DOLLAR AMOUNTS SO WE CAN GET IT TO OUR BOND COUNCIL AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          MOVING FORWARD. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND I GUESS WE NEED TO ADD A LINE ITEM ON THE BOTTOM OF MY TABLE FOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, THIS IS SOLELY A SUGGESTION WORKING WITH FREESON NICHOLS AND OTHER COUNTIES, UH, GETTING THEM TO DEVELOP A THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT ALSO KEEPING THEM ON BOARD FOR ADMINISTRATION PURPOSES WHEN DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND YOU NEED TO REACT TO THEM, WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. 
          IT WORKS OUT WELL. 
          I THINK SO. 
          UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME FROM HERE? THERE WE GO. 
          UH, CHRISTINA'S GONNA HAND OUT THE TWO SPREADSHEETS THAT THE COURT SHOULD ALREADY HAVE. 
          THE FIRST ONE? YES. 
          THIS IS A LIST THAT WE TOOK FROM THE CONSORTIUM MEETING AND PUT FOR PRIORITIES, IT SAYS AT THE TOP, ROCKWALL COUNTY 2021 BOND REPRIORITIZATION. 
          THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL 2021 BOND MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT BOTH OF THEM TO YOU TODAY IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL ONE HAD, UM, BREAKDOWNS OF FUNDS FOR EACH PRECINCT. 
          SO NOT WANTING TO TAKE UP TOO MANY HOURS OF YOUR DAY. 
          THERE'S 25 PROJECTS ON THIS LIST. 
          SO EVEN IF WE SPENT FIVE MINUTES ON A PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO HOURS. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I WANT TO GET AS DEEP INTO THESE PROJECTS AS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO. 
          SO I THINK MAYBE THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IS IF WE'VE GOT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE PROPOSING ENTITIES, JUST MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE RELATED ON THIS SPREADSHEET, WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. 
          SO IF WE CAN JUST GO DOWN THROUGH, UM, DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FATE? YES, YOU DO. 
          HEY, UM, SO BRENDA, LET, LET'S, I APOLOGIZE. 
          LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS. 
          PERFECT. 
          AND I'LL GIVE THEM TIME TO LOOK AT IT. 
          [01:15:01]
THEM TIME. 
          IT IS, UH, 10 14. 
          WE'LL COME BACK RIGHT BEFORE 10 30. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR WORKSHOP, AND WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION OF SUBMITTED ROAD PROJECTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          NOW, I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CITY OF FATE IS THE FIRST PROPOSING ENTITY. 
          SO MICHAEL, IF YOU'LL, YOU WANT MR. KOVACS, AND, AND IT NEEDS TO BE STATED. 
          THIS IS A NO PARTICULAR ORDER. 
          . 
          WELL, I DID ALPHABETIZE, BUT IT IS ALPHABETIZE THAT IS THE PARTICULAR ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS ON THE LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          WE JUST WANT TO ONE, ONE LAST TIME GO THROUGH THE, THE, THE PROJECTS YOU HAVE AND, AND WHAT YOUR PRIORITY LIST SURE. 
          IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON OUR LIST, WE HAVE THAT YOUR FIRST PRIORITY IS BEN PAIN ROAD. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, YOUR SECOND PRIORITY IS FM 5 51. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND YOUR THIRD PRIORITY IS FM 5 52. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THAT'S YOUR, YOUR FIRST THREE THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THERE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, AND THAT'S PLENTY. 
          AND MY, AND MY QUESTION ON 5 52 IS IT DOES GO FROM MY PRECINCT TO BOBBY'S PRECINCT. 
          IT DOES. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR, UM, ORIGINAL 2021 MASTER LIST, ALL THE FUNDING FOR FIVE, UH, FM 5 52 IS IN BOBBY'S PRECINCT. 
          BUT THE PROJECTS, THE BREAKDOWN PROJECTS THAT CONCENTRATE ON THE HIGH SCHOOL ARE ALL IN ALL IN PRECINCT FOUR. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          SO I, YES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, I JUST WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT MORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND, AND COMMISSIONER ONE NEED TO KIND OF AT LEAST WEIGH IN ON, I MEAN, I KNOW IT WAS PR AS PRIORITY THREE, BUT JUST KIND OF WEIGH IN ON, ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE SOME OF THIS BREAKOUT IS, OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE MIGHT WANNA TRY TO DO BREAKOUT WITH 5 52. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, HE WASN'T HERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLANNING MEETING, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT PARTICULAR THING UP WITH COMMISSIONER ALANA. 
          YES, JUDGE. 
          HOW ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE CHART? YEAH, LET, LET, WHAT'S THE STATUS? DO YOU WANNA RUN THIS TYPICAL WORKSHOP ROLLING, TUMBLING, WHATEVER DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO? WE'LL, COURSE CORRECT IF NEEDED. 
          SO JUST JUMP IN AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I, I DIDN'T REALIZE, SO I WENT THROUGH AND MADE MY NOTES OF WHAT WAS ON TRIP 21 AND WHAT WASN'T ON TRIP 21 AS FAR AS THE REQUESTED PROJECTS. 
          AND I HAD 5 52 NOT ON TRIP 21, AND IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME TO LOOK UP UNDER PRECINCT ONE TO FIND . 
          YES. 
          UM, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, UM, COLUMN THAT'S JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED BLUE, IT TELLS YOU WHAT BOND PROGRAM THE PROJECTS WERE ACTUALLY ON. 
          AND SO I'VE TRACKED THAT FOR YOU. 
          GOT IT. 
          OH, YES. 
          THAT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT REALLY EASY. 
          UM, AND JUST ANOTHER THING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTS ON THE DOLLAR FIGURES, THOSE ARE FUNDS FROM PREVIOUS BOND PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPENDED. 
          SO THOSE ARE NOT, UM, DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE WILL NEED TO, TO CONSIDER. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN EXPENDED. 
          SO ON, UM, BEN PAYNE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, THAT I DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSIONER STACY, IS TO PULL IT OUT AND DO AN ICA ON IT. 
          UM, AND IT'S AN ICA, IT'S AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY ENTERS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, AND WE BASICALLY PROVIDE FUNDING A PORTION OF THE FUNDING TO THEM. 
          AND THEN THEY ARE, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENGINEERING THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THE UTILITIES, THE CONSTRUCTION, THEY PRETTY MUCH HANDLE, UH, BRINGING THE PROJECT TO BEAR. 
          AND, AND, AND IS THAT ALL WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE, MICHAEL IS JUST TO GET THE ENGINEERING TO GET IT TEED UP? HOPEFULLY, NO, THEY NEED IT BUILT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT MICHAEL'S ABOUT TO TELL YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          HE NEEDS IT BUILT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE, THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL BOND PROGRAM, UM, HAD 1.75 MILLION IN THERE FOR 20% LOCAL MATCH, OR A 20% MATCH FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY TO GET THE PROJECT ON THE GROUND. 
          UM, COSTS HAVE OF COURSE INCREASED, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE WORKED WITH KIMLEY HORN, UH, COST INCREASE ON THIS WENT TO 19 MILLION. 
          SO THE 3.8 THAT YOU SEE THERE UNDER FIRST ISSUANCE COLUMN IS 20% OF THAT 19 MILLION. 
          THAT'S JUST MY FIRST BLUSH AT HOW TO, TO HELP FATE BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION. 
          BUT WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSION IF THERE'S SOME OTHER WAY YOU WANNA SEE THIS CONFIGURED. 
          WOW. 
          SO THIS WENT FROM 13 MILLION ROUGHLY TO 19 MILLION? YES. 
          WHERE'S THIR, WHERE'S 19 MILLION ON 
          [01:20:01]
YOUR CHART? UM, I PUT IT OVER IN THE NOTES. 
          IN THE NOTES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT DOES IT MEAN THERE WHERE IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION 12,981? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ESTIMATE THAT KIMLEY HORN GAVE US SOLELY FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK OVER IN THE NOTES, UM, THEY ESTIMATED FOR ENGINEERING RIGHT AWAY, UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS GONNA BE BETWEEN 17 AND 19 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE THIS, I GUESS BY, IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE WHERE YOU HAVE 3.8 MILLION, YOUR SUGGESTION OR THE, THE IDEA THAT'S BEING FLOATED IS THAT WE TAKE 3.8 MILLION OF TRIP 21 MONEY AND A SET ASSIGN IT TO THIS PROJECT. 
          YES, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY FIRST BLUSH ON IT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL 2021, UH, MASTER BOND LIST, IF YOU READ THE NOTES ON THE SIDE, SAID THAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO HELP THE CITY WITH THE 20%. 
          UM, GOT IT. 
          MATCH. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MR. KOVACS, DOES 3.8 MILLION GET SOUTH BEND PAYING, BUILT? NO, NO. 
          WE'VE GOT IMPACT FEE SAVINGS OF ABOUT PROBABLY SIX DEPENDING ON THE TIMING. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          THAT'S HALF THE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OUR ESTIMATES ARE HIGH. 
          MAYBE WE CAN DO IT FOR 14 AND A HALF, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE IN 14 AND A HALF AND 19. 
          THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA LAND. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO, BUT DOES US GIVING 3.8, WILL, WILL THAT FACILITATE GETTING THE ROAD? I I KNOW 3.8 WON'T GET THE ROAD DONE. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          WELL, IT WOULD GET THE, IT WOULD GET THE ENGINEERING DONE, IT WOULD GET RIGHT AWAY. 
          DONE. 
          IT WOULD GET A, IT WOULD GET IT MOVING. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH NOT JUST DEVELOPER IMPACT FEES. 
          WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO OUR CITIZENS ABOUT A BOX. 
          WOULD WE BE PAINTING THE CITY INTO A, A CORNER BY, BY GIVING THE MONEY? UH, IS THE CITY WILLING TO, UH, REALIZING YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BUT ARE THEY WILLING AND HAVE THAT ACCESS TO I I DON'T WANT TO, YEAH, WE, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT USING AN ADDITIONAL BOND, LIKE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF CITY CASH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE COULD HAVE THAT, WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          OF COURSE WE'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO SEE MORE LOCAL, LOCAL COUNTY PARTICIPATION IF POSSIBLE. 
          THE, THE FLIP SIDE OF YOUR QUESTION, UM, JUDGE IS JUST A NOTE. 
          IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THIS, OBVIOUSLY I WOULDN'T WANT THE COUNTY TO PROCEED WITH HANDING OVER MONEY UNLESS WE KNEW THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THAT IS A MUCH MORE SUCCINCT WAY TO STATE THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET AND COULDN'T QUITE GET THERE. 
          UH, IF, IF WE GIVE 3.8 MILLION, DO WE GET A, WILL THAT GET FATE, ERO, UH, AND WE STARTED DOESN'T SOUND LIKE'S GONNA GET IT ON THE GROUND. 
          IT'LL GET IT STARTED. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          BUT WE WANT THE COMMITMENT THAT IF WE GIVE IT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          JUST A, A SUGGEST A SUGGESTION. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT WIDENING A TWO-LANE ASPHALT TO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED. 
          COULD YOU GET WITH MISTY, UM, GO BACK AND DISCUSS WITH HER, WHAT IF YOU HAD AN ULTIMATE FOUR-LANE, BUT YOU LOOKED AT YOUR FIRST CONSTRUCTION, A TWO-LANE CONCRETE ON ONE SIDE OF THE MEDIAN, WOULD THAT MAYBE WORK? YEAH, WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN INTERCHANGE THERE WITH THE I 30 PROJECT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE A FULL INTERCHANGE AND THEN A TWO LANE ROAD AND THEN A FOUR LANE ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MATCH IT IF WE CAN. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL COST TO GO BACK, BUT IT'S, I'M SURE IT'S, YEAH, MAYBE YOU COULD SAVE IT FINANCIALLY POSSIBLE IF THE COST ALWAYS GOES UP. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALWAYS. 
          SO, AND I THINK YOU NEED THE FOUR LANE, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHAT THE APPETITE OF THE CITIZENS OF FATE AND YOUR COUNCIL HAVE REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, THIS IS, IS STILL YOUR FIRST PRIORITY, BUT WHEN MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ON BEN PAY. 
          SO, YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HERE WOULD BE BE OKAY APPROPRIATING 3.8 MILLION. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES WE NEED TO BUILD ROADS . 
          SO COMPLETE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE IN FATE IS FM 5 51. 
          AND IN, UM, THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MEETINGS WITH TDOT WHERE THEY ASKED TO BREAK THE LARGER PROJECTS INTO SMALLER PROJECTS, WHAT WE LOOKED AT ON 5 51 WAS A SECTION THAT WENT FROM STATE HIGHWAY 66 TO NORTH OF BASSETT HALL ROAD. 
          THAT COVERS MOST OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO WE CUT IT INTO THAT SMALLER PIECE, WORKED WITH BGE TO GET A COST. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FIRST ISSUANCE 
          [01:25:01]
IS 3.042 MILLION. 
          AND THAT WILL GET YOUR PSNE PROGRESSING. 
          WHERE'S BASSETT HALL ROAD? IT'S JUST SOUTH OF, UM, WHAT'S THE WILLIAMS? SO WILLIAMSBURG AND EDGEWATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO SAY NAME, NAME OF DEVELOPMENT, THE END OF THE SUBURBAN, THE END OF THE SUBURBAN AREA. 
          SO IT GETS YOU UNDERNEATH 30, GETS YOU FROM 66 ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CURVE. 
          YEAH. 
          AROUND THE CURVE WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHERE THE HOUSES ARE JUST SPROUTING OUT OF THE FIELD. 
          YES. 
          OH, NOT ANYMORE THAT, THAT'S IT. 
          THEY, WE, WELL, NO MORE. 
          NO MORE. 
          THAT'S WELL DONE. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          WELL, THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL FINISHING THEIR PHASES IN THE EXISTING APPROVED DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO NEW, THERE'S BEEN NO NEW DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZED. 
          OKAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEN WE HAVE 5 52, UH, WE DID THE SAME THING ON 5 52 TRYING TO CONCENTRATE ON A SEGMENT, UM, IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL WORKING WITH HOSEA OF HNTB. 
          HE GAVE ME TWO SEGMENTS. 
          UM, THE LONGER SEGMENT GOES FROM FM 35 49 TO 66. 
          UH, THAT WAS ONE THAT ITS SUGGESTED BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE GOOD LOGICAL TERMINOLOGY WHERE YOU COULD END A FOUR LANE SECTION AND GO BACK TO THE, THE TWO LANE SECTION VERY EASILY. 
          HE ALSO FELT LIKE THERE WERE SOME MERIT IN A SHORTER SECTION, UH, FROM WEST OF LYDIA LANE TO 66. 
          BUT LOOKING ON THAT, ON, LOOKING AT THAT ON THE MAP, I THINK YOUR TERMINI, UM, AND THE ENDING OF THE ADDITIONAL TWO LANES IS GONNA BE MORE PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO THE PSE AND, AND UM, UH, DETAILED ENGINEERING FOR THE LONGER SECTION FROM 35 49 TO 66, THE 4.63 MILLION THAT YOU SEE IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE IS THE ENGINEERING FUNDS TO GET THAT. 
          UM, OH, OKAY. 
          THE 4.63 THAT YOU SEE IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE THERE IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO GET HIM TO BREAK OUT THAT SECTION. 
          'CAUSE HE'S ALREADY GOT COMPLETE PS AND E HE JUST HAS TO BREAK OUT WHATEVER SECTION WE DECIDE UPON. 
          AND THEN 10%, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATCH FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION COST ON THAT ONE. 
          SO THE 4.6 IS THE 10% MATCH. 
          AND, AND, UH, ABOUT 200,000 TO GET HIM TO BREAK OUT AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT OUT OF THE BIG ONE. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BIG ONE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE 10% OF THE CONSTRUCTION, IF WE WANTED TO DEFER THAT TO ANOTHER ISSUANCE, MAYBE YOUR SECOND ISSUANCE OF THE 2021 BOND, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, REASONABLE. 
          AND WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH JUST 200,000 IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT, AT CUTTING, UM, CUTTING FUNDS, WE COULD GO FORWARD AND HAVE HIM BREAK OUT THE PROJECT FIRST AND THEN ONCE WE GOT TEXT OUT ON BOARD, UM, LOOK AT OUR 10% CONSTRUCTION COMMITMENT TO SEE IF THAT WOULD ENTICE THEM AND LEVERAGE THEIR FUNDS. 
          TRUE. 
          I COULD, I COULD USE THAT OTHER 3 MILLION  ON   BECAUSE 90, WE STILL HAVE NINE. 
          WE STILL HAVE TO GET 90% FROM TXDOT. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION I WAS ABOUT TO ASK. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU SAID IF WE CAN GET TXDOT ON, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. 
          YEAH, DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          WE, WE DO NOT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOUR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE CLEARED AND TEED UP AND YES. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A, TRYING TO FIND A PLACE IN THAT PARKING LOT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO IF, IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          AND I REALIZE FM 5 52, UH, MICHAEL IS THIRD ON YOUR LIST. 
          BUT THE SAME QUESTION FOR SOUTH BEND PAYNE, IF WE GAVE THE 4.63 TO BREAK OUT THE LONG STRETCH, TO WILL THAT GET THAT ROAD BUILT IT THE SAME TYPE, YOU'D HAVE TO GET THE 90% FROM GOT IT. 
          FROM TECH.TO GET IT, TO GET IT DONE. 
          NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND YOU MAY KNOW MORE THAN I DO, THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS PLANNING AND HAS SUBMITTED TO TECH STOCKS AND PLANS TO CONSTRUCT SOME RIGHT TURN LANES ON 5 52 THAT ARE INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY HELP, UM, THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO. 
          UH, SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU WANNA SAY, LET'S BREAK OUT A SMALLER PROJECT AND SP AND THE SPIRIT OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT, WE COULD PUT 200,000 TOWARDS IT AND HAVE HIM BREAK OUT A SMALLER PROJECT AND THEN APPROACH TDOT WITH A PLAN TO, TO FUND 10% AND WE COULD DO IT IN A, IN A LATER ISSUANCE. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THE 5 51 AND THE 5 52 WE'RE, WE'RE RELYING ON TDOT. 
          IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THE BIN PAIN FATE IS GOING TO FUND THEMSELVES SOMEHOW. 
          SOME WAY WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE GOT IMPACT FEES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO OKAY. 
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WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT WE CAN BRING. 
          UM, WE MAY DIVERT, WE'VE GOT SOME LEFTOVER 2021 BOND FUNDS. 
          WE COULD DIVERT THOSE. 
          WE WERE GONNA USE THOSE FOR DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, ECONOMIC RIGHT DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WE COULD DIVERT THOSE OVER TO BEN PAYNE. 
          SO IT TRULY SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE ONE WE WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          MOST DEFINITELY. 
          IT'S A GREAT PLACE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOT, WE WILL HAVE THAT ONE MILE SPACING IMPROVING THAT, THAT THROUGHPUT. 
          UM, LOTS OF, LOTS OF FOLKS LIVE THERE. 
          WE CARRY A LOT OF TRAFFIC, LOT, LOTS OF VEHICLES. 
          YEP. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, AND FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, CONCENTRATION, WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL TYPE LAND RIGHT THERE WITH RAIL SERVE. 
          SO AS THAT ROCK WALL TECH PARK SORT OF TYPE DEVELOPMENT MOVES EAST, WE'LL SEE SOME GOOD USE OF THAT, UM, THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO GOOD PROPERTY TAX FOR THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          , UM, JUST JUST A QUESTION AND THIS, THIS IS GONNA OPEN A BIGGER SUBJECT, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO, WHICH IS THE HOW DO WE GET TECH STOP MOVING SUBJECT. 
          SO LET'S NOT GO THERE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO HERE YOU SAY PROJECT WILL BE READY TO LET IN JULY OF 26? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 19 OR 1,000,935 ON ADVANCED PLANNING IN 3 MILLION ON PS E. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          WE'VE WE'VE GOT A TOTAL, WE WE'VE GOT A TOTAL PSE PACKET RIGHT NOW FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY HAVE PURCHASED RIGHT AWAY, THEY ARE ACTIVELY MOVING UTILITIES. 
          SO THEY WILL HAVE UTILITIES MOVED RIGHT AWAY, IS PURCHASED, THE PLANS ARE SITTING THERE. 
          SO THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE READY TO LET, UM, IN JULY OF 2026. 
          HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $93 MILLION. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND IS THIS TO USE THE TECH TERM FUNDED? NO, IT'S NOT. 
          SO IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE 10 YEAR PLAN? NO. 
          SO IF WE, WE, WE'VE TEED IT UP, WE GOT CREATED A SHOVEL READY PROJECT, TDOT'S NOT AGREED TO FUND IT. 
          SO IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE OUR 10% MATCH WOULD JUST BE OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          LATER. 
          I MEAN, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? NO, YOU'RE NOT. 
          NO, YOU'RE NOT MISSING. 
          YOU'RE NOT, NOT AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BREAKING IT INTO A SMALLER PROJECT AND THE SPIRIT OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS, WE COULD DO 200,000 TO DO THAT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND SAY THIS IS PRIORITY THREE, LET'S DELAY THIS ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN WE COULD DO THAT. 
          ESPECIALLY IF ROY CITY'S, UM, ISD IS PLANNING SOME, SOME INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS ON 5 52, OR WE MIGHT COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT IF WE FUND SOME INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS IF ROY CITY, ISD ISN'T AND DO EVEN A SMALLER YEAH. 
          PROJECT THAT WILL GET YOU SOME RELIEF IN THE AREA. 
          BUT AGAIN, JUST FOR MY PEACE OF MIND, THE MONEY WE'VE SPENT TO DATE ADVANCED PLANNING AND P, S AND E, THAT'S GOOD MONEY. 
          IT'S NOT, IF THIS TAKES FIVE YEARS FOR TXDOT TO EVEN FUND IT, THAT'S NOT, TELL ME, THAT'S NOT WASTED MONEY. 
          NO, NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT AT ALL. 
          GREAT. 
          THE PLANS ARE THERE, THE ADVANCED PLANNING'S THERE, IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEARED, THE RIGHT OF WAY'S PURCHASED. 
          THE UTILITIES ARE BEING MOVED, EVERYTHING'S READY. 
          WE'RE JUST TAKE STOCK NEEDS TO FIND CONSTRUCTION FUNDING FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. KOVAC? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HEATH. 
          HEATH, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, THANKS. 
          HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, JUDGE HEATH'S PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT IS ON YOUR SHEET. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT FM SEVEN 40 AS THEIR FIRST PRIORITY FM 30 97 AS THEIR SECOND AND FM 5 49 AS THEIR THIRD PRIORITY. 
          SO IS THAT, SO WE JUST FLIP, FLIP 'EM ESSENTIALLY? YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S, UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          PRIMARILY JUDGE, DUE TO THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, PRIMARILY ON SEVEN 40. 
          UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPLICATING FACTORS ON THE PLANNING SIDE, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE CURVES THAT YOU AND I AND OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN ON. 
          UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THE ASSESSMENT OF, UH, THE DOABILITY OF THAT ROADWAY WILL SHED LIGHT ON OUR ABILITY TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD ON THAT 
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PROJECT. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE, BECAUSE I KNOW YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO YOU BEING ON THE HEATH CITY COUNCIL AND PRIOR TO ME SITTING HERE, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES REGARDING THIS. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE HEATH CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTS NOW? YES. 
          THE, UH, HEATH CITY COUNCIL IS, UH, FULLY SUPPORTIVE, UH, OF THIS PRIORITIZATION. 
          THE SHIFT FROM, I THINK THE LAST CONSORTIUM MEETING TO NOW, UH, HAD TO DO WITH REALLY THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS, UH, WITHIN HEATH AND OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, UH, IN TAKING A LOOK AT, UH, AS WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER DURING THE PRESENTATION, A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH ON MOVING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF HEATH GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PRIMARILY THAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE OF HEATH. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          SO FM SEVEN 40, WE HAD A TRIP 21 5 0.2 MILLION AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 3 MILLION TO START THE SCHEMATIC, THE ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS ON IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE RECOMMENDED IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE. 
          GOT IT. 
          ON THEIR SECOND PRIORITY, WHICH IS ALSO ROCKWELL'S FOURTH PRIORITY. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'S MCCLENDON CHISHOLM'S PRIORITY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE TO, TO GET HORIZON DONE. 
          UM, MCCLENDON CHISHOLM IS A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LIMITS. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ON THE FM 30 97 1, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FIRST ISSUANCE OF 2.624 MILLION IS TO GET THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS DONE. 
          IF YOU, UM, MOVED DOWN TO THE FM 5 49 ON THIS ONE, WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT FOR AN RFQ ON THIS SECTION LAST YEAR, EARLY LAST YEAR. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A PARTIALLY, UM, EXECUTED CONTRACT WITH WSB ON THAT SECTION RIGHT NOW FOR 3.284 MILLION. 
          AND THAT WILL GET YOU YOUR ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS ON IT. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TWO IN HEATH FOR ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS AND ONE FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ON 5 49. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO JUDGE NEW FOR BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION, UM, LAST YEAR BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS FAR BACK AND THOUGHT WE'D HAD BOND FUNDS IN 2008 FOR, UM, AND, UM, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE BOND PROGRAM, UH, COLUMN YEP. 
          IT SAYS 2008 2021. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A PROJECTED FIRST ISSUANCE OF 3 MILLION 284 621. 
          YES. 
          IS ANY OF THAT MONEY AVAILABLE FROM REMAINING 2008 BOND FUNDS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT PREVIOUS COURTS, UM, PRIORITIES, UH, DURING THE 2008 BOND ISSUANCES, UM, THIS ONE KIND OF FILTERED DOWN TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND IT WAS NOT PICKED UP WITH 2008. 
          IS THERE ANY UNENCUMBERED 2008 MONEY STILL OUT THERE? LITTLE IS LISA. 
          UH, IF SHE'S NOT IN HERE, NO, BUT I REMEMBER THAT SHE SENT ME SOMETHING PROBABLY ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO AND I THINK EVERYTHING WAS ENCUMBERED OKAY. 
          THAT WAS LEFT OVER. 
          BUT, UM, I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, BUT I DID TALK TO HER ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND JUST AS A CAVEAT TO THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT SHE SAYS, UM, IS ENCUMBERED, SOME OF IT MIGHT BE MORE EARMARKED, BUT YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY WET INKED A CONTRACT ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT HER ENCUMBERED LIST AND SEE IF ANY OF THESE ARE ON THERE JUST WAITING FOR A WEDDING. 
          'CAUSE SHE MIGHT HAVE SOME OF THESE THAT WE'VE GOT A PARTIALLY EXECUTED CONTRACT ON IN HER ENCUMBERED PILE AND BEN PAYNE IS ONE OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND, AND THE BEN PAYNE ONE WAS WHEN WE FIRST DID AN RFQ ON IT THINKING WE WOULD FEDERALIZE IT YES. 
          AND GO AND LOOK TO COG FOR MONEY, AND THEN WE KIND OF SWITCH GEARS ON IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE A LONGER TIMEFRAME. 
          I THINK WHAT SHE HAS, UM, ENCUMBERED ON IT WAS JUST THE 800 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IT IS SHOWING ENCUMBERED YEAH. 
          ON HER SPREADSHEET. 
          I WAS JUST, THAT WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT, SO WE MIGHT COULD PULL SOME OF THE 2008 TO GO WITH 2021 IF CORRECT. 
          IF THE COURT WISHES YEP. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE 2008. 
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YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA, UH, CHANNEL ALL, ALL, ALL OF US AND SAY, I JUST WANT TO GET 5 49 BUILT. 
          I MEAN, TRULY IT'S THE, IT, IT, IT'S NEEDED. 
          I, I JUST WANT TO GET IN AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, LIST OF PRIORITIES. 
          I, I JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN MY HEART, MENTALLY I PUT 5 49 RIGHT UP THERE WITH SEVEN 40. 
          UM, BUT I, I, I AGREE. 
          I AGREE, JUDGE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S NEED AND SPEED, UH, AND, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN GET DONE, WE HAVE LOTS OF PRIORITIES TO MOVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND. 
          AND I THINK IN EACH COMMISSIONER'S, UH, DISTRICT, UH, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          YEAH, THANKS JUDGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE IS MCCLENDON CHISHOLM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, UM, YOU GAVE US TWO PRIORITIES. 
          YOUR FIRST ONE WAS FM FIVE 50, JUST EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME, UM, FAIRLY SHARP CURVES. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS FM 5 49 THAT IS READY TO LET, IT IS FULLY FUNDED. 
          UM, TEXT DOTS WORKING ON SETTING A LETTING DATE FOR IT. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE ON THIS. 
          IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME AND TALK THROUGH MY LOGIC. 
          UM, ON FIVE 50, WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, TEG KNOLL AND PERKINS THAT'S WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING TO REMOVE THE CURVES. 
          UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH TDOT. 
          WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THEM WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRST CURVE THAT WAS EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5. 
          BUT WHEN YOU COMPLETE IT, IT THROWS YOU DIRECTLY INTO TWO OTHER CURVES. 
          SO TNP, UM, ITS LOOKED AT IT, WE'RE PROPOSING TAKING OUT ALL THREE OF THOSE CURVES AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN INTO THEM TO, TO APPROVE THAT PROCESS. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, I DID NOT SHOW ANYTHING IN FIRST ISSUANCE FOR FM FIVE 50. 
          'CAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH, IS IN OUR SECOND ISSUANCE OF THE 2021 BOND FUNDS, AT THAT TIME, WE MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH RIGHT AWAY OR PSNE. 
          IS THAT FAIR? YEAH. 
          SO, UH, BRENDA, YOU'RE, UM, YOU SHOW THIS BEING IN THE TRIP 21, BUT THEN YOU SHOW A 2 MILLION COMMITMENT. 
          IS THAT THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE? OR, OR DID I MISS? NO, IT WAS LISTED. 
          IS IT LISTED? YES, IT IS PRECINCT ONE. 
          IS IT IT? NO, IT'S IN PRECINCT THREE. 
          AT ITEM 15. 
          YEAH. 
          15. 
          WELL, 15 AND 16. 
          WE ACTUALLY GOT A CONTRACT TOGETHER FOR TEGNA AND PERKINS, BUT THIS ONE IS, IS ACTUALLY NUMBER 15 ON THE LIST SYSTEM. 
          YEP. 
          THERE WE ARE. 
          THERE WE ARE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT, YOU SAY YOU'VE GOT A CONTRACT WORKING, UH, THAT'S THE 720,552. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHEN, WHEN WILL THAT WORK BE FINISHED? DO YOU KNOW? UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING TWO THINGS FOR US ON THAT CONTRACT. 
          THE FIRST THING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS THE ADVANCE PLANNING ON THE CURVE. 
          THE SECOND THING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS PSE FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE AT STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5 AND FIVE 50. 
          UM, IT'S THE WESTBOUND TO SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT. 
          IT'S NUMBER 16. 
          WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT TURN LANE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I FIVE 50 WESTBOUND. 
          FIVE 50. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOW YOU GO OVER THAT AND YOU GO OFF THE ROAD AND THERE'S A LOT OF GRAVEL THERE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WHERE PEOPLE TRY TO CUT, CUT AROUND. 
          I I'M JUST GUESSING THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEONE TRIED THAT. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          SO PICK UP MAYBE. 
          SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY COULD, COULD HAPPEN. 
          THEY ARE ACTUALLY, UM, 60% COMPLETE WITH THE PLAN SPECIFICATIONS AND ESTIMATES ON THAT. 
          SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE. 
          OKAY. 
          ASKING, UM, AND THE ASKING DID NOT ADDRESS IT DID NOT ADDRESS IT IN THIS LIST BECAUSE IT DID NOT COME UP AS ANY ENTITY'S PRIORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE THIS IS LISTED AS MCLENNAN CHI'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND YOU'RE NOT CALLING FOR ANY BOND OR MONEY TO BE ISSUED IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT THEIR PRIORITY, OR THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO NOT DO IT RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, UM, WE'RE JUST NOT READY FOR IT. 
          NOT READY FOR IT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO ISSUE FUNDS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND IT, 
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LET'S SAY IN THE SECOND ISSUANCE IS, IS WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND WE MIGHT NEED 'EM FOR RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, WE MIGHT NEED IT FOR P, S AND E. 
          WE'RE HOPING AS A SAFETY PROJECT TO SUBMIT THIS TO TDOT AND GET THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING PICKED UP THROUGH SAFETY, UM, HOPING THAT THEY WILL DO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON IT. 
          'CAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, W IS GONNA BE, IS GONNA BE PRETTY BIG ON IT. 
          THERE IS GONNA BE ONE DISPLACEMENT. 
          UM, IT, WE DID LIMIT IT TO ONE DISPLACEMENT, BUT THERE WILL BE ONE DISPLACEMENT. 
          SO WHAT WE MIGHT NEED FROM YOU ONCE WE GET FURTHER INTO THIS PROJECT IS P, S, AND E FUNDING. 
          BUT I THINK WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND ISSUANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT A, AS YOU EXPLAINED, THERE IS A REASON FOR IT AND WE'RE NOT FORGETTING IT. 
          NO, IT'S THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          NO. 
          NOPE. 
          NOT FORGETTING ABOUT 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, ON THE SECOND ONE, THE 5 49, REALLY EVERYTHING IS DONE. 
          UM, IT'S FUNDED. 
          WE'RE WAITING ON TEXDOT. 
          I PUT 6 MILLION OVER THERE. 
          JUST AS A THOUGHT FOR YOU ON THE 2021 BOND SHOWED THAT 6 MILLION IS A CONSTRUCTION MATCH TO TRY TO LEVERAGE AND GET THEM TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD QUICKER. 
          IT'S UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO, GREAT. 
          IF NOT, WE CAN ZERO OUT THAT COLUMN FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          AND JUDGE NEW, OUR SECOND PRIORITY IS THE OTHER HALF OF 5 49 THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          AND IT IS DEFINITELY NEEDED TO GET TRAFFIC MOVED THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY THROUGH HEATH TO, FROM HEATH THROUGH MCLENNAN, CHISM TO ROCKWALL. 
          SO THE, THE 2 0 2 0 5 TO SEVEN 40 PORTION NO, THE THE OTHER ONE, TWO. 
          YES. 
          2 76 TO RIGHT. 
          THE ONE THAT I SAID IS ALREADY FUNDED AND CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF WE DO ONE OF THOSE, THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BE CRITICAL. 
          NO, YOU HAVE TO DO 'EM BOTH. 
          RIGHT? IT IS, AND THIS IS ONE WHERE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE, HOW DO WE GET TEXT OUT MOVING TOPIC, BUT WE'VE GOT MONEY FUNDED AND JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, IF WE KNEW SPENDING MONEY IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE WOULD MOVE THAT PROJECT UP TO RIGHT NOW, THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE ME TO VOTE FOR IT. 
          BUT WHAT NOBODY GONNA, NONE OF US WANNA DO IS SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 6 MILLION AND THEN STILL SIT HERE AND WONDER WHEN IT'S GONNA GET DONE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS IF THE COUNTY WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO RELEASE THAT FUNDS THOSE $6 MILLION IN FUNDS TO TXDOT UNTIL 60 DAYS PRIOR TO CONTRACT LETTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. 
          SO IT, IT STAYS IN YOUR COFFERS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, TDOT DOESN'T ASSIGN A LETTING DATE, YOU GO TO HIM AND YOU TALK TO HIM AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE ISSUED $6 MILLION IN BOND FUNDS TO HELP MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. 
          WE WANNA PARTNER WITH THE COMMISSION TO GET THIS DONE AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THEY STILL TELL YOU, NOPE, CAN'T DO IT. 
          THEN AS A COURT, YOU COULD REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO ANOTHER PROJECT BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE FULFILLED YOUR BOND COMMITMENT ON 5 49. 
          YOU'VE GOT IT READY TO GO. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          NO, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO IT. 
          IT IT IS HARD TO DO. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S VERY HARD. 
          IF YOUR MONEY SITS THERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU END UP IN AN ARBITRAGE SITUATION. 
          YEP. 
          . 
          UH, AND WHICH IS CAUSED IN TOTAL BY TECH STOP MOVING SLOW. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE MONEY SITTING THERE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S THE OTHER THING, OUR TIME IN TECH STOCK TIME AND IT IS SOLELY DIFFERENT. 
          THEY SPEAK A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. 
          THEY DO. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, AGAIN, AND I'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH TDOT, UM, ONE TIME IS IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WHICH AGAIN MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO TAKE THIS ROAD OUT OF OUR, OUT OF THEIR BASKET OF FUND THAT $6 MILLION ON OH NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          MASTER OF FUNDING. 
          I'D LIKE THEM TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, YOU'RE PRINTING 6 MILLION HERE, BUT WE'LL PUT IT TO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR, THE 6 MILLION THEY HAVE QUOTE FUNDED SHOULD BE MOVED TO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, OUR COUNTY PROJECTS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE HARD TO DO. 
          I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          I I UNDERSTAND , I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, SO MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS FURTHER, UM, LATER ON. 
          IT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE SECOND ISSUANCE, LET'S DO THIS. 
          LET'S GET OUR FIRST ISSUANCE UNDERWAY. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR BOND MANAGER. 
          YOU NEED 
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TO GET YOUR BOND RATING, YOU NEED TO DO ALL OF THAT. 
          THAT BOND RATING IS GOOD FOR THREE YEARS. 
          ANYTIME THROUGH THAT THREE YEARS, YOU CAN GO OUT FOR A SECOND ISSUANCE WITH THAT SAME BOND RATING WITH THAT SAME COMPANY. 
          IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. 
          ONCE YOU GOT THE FIRST 50 MILLION OR 40 MILLION THAT YOU DECIDE TO ISSUE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ISSUE 20 MILLION IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. 
          AND YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          MAYBE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH TDOT AND SAY, WE WANNA LEVERAGE $6 MILLION OF FUNDS TO GET THIS MOVING. 
          IF WE DO THIS AND ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, WILL THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS MOVE THIS UP AND GIVE IT A LETTING DATE? AND IF SO, THEN YOU COULD GO TO A SECOND ISSUANCE TO GRAB THE 6 MILLION TO FUND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE'VE SIMPLY BEEN TOLD TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, KEEP GETTING THINGS CLEARED, TEED UP, READY TO GO. 
          EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE JUST, JUST GONNA STACK UP THAT AT SOME POINT THEY MAY RELEASE HALF OF THEM OR YES, ALL OF THEM. 
          YES. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE UM, ASSOCIATION OF GENERAL CONTRACTORS DID SEND OUT AN EMAIL NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN FORWARDED IT TO YOU OR NOT. 
          UM, BUT WHERE THE RACK AND STACK THAT TDOT WAS DOING, GOT A DALLAS DISTRICT PROJECT, MOVED UP A HOUSTON AND I THINK OF SAN ANTONIO MOVED UP FROM THE LATER YEARS TO THE, TO THE EARLIER YEARS. 
          SO THE RACK AND STACK DOES WORK. 
          UM, IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID, TECH STOCK TIME AND, AND OUR TIME'S DIFFERENT. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE THAT'S WORKING FOR MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS. 
          'CAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL THE FUNDING IS BEING FUNNELED RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WORKS FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY, BUT, UH, UM, BUT I I I HOPE IT WILL HAVE SOME LEVERAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GOING THAT DIRECTION. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL NOW I, AND I'M THINKING THAT THE, THE ONE THAT MOVED UP FOR THE DALLAS DISTRICT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN DENTON COUNTY, SO IT WASN'T IN DALLAS COUNTY. 
          I KNOW THAT MUCH THOUGH. 
          IT WAS THEIR OUTLYING COUNTIES AND IT WAS ONE OF THEIR PARTNER COUNTIES THAT PARTNERS WITH THEM WITH BOND FUNDS, SO, OKAY. 
          100%. 
          ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU BETH. 
          OKAY. 
          ROCKWALL, HOW ARE Y'ALL THIS MORNING? GOOD. 
          BEFORE YOU START COUNCIL MA'AM. 
          HENSON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRE WEIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE NOW HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT ON SH 2 0 5 RIGHT HERE THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DRIVE. 
          SO I WANNA THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR, FOR EXECUTING THAT. 
          UH, WE AS THE LARGEST CITY IN OUR COUNTY AND MOST CONGESTED CITY IN OUR COUNTY, ALSO HAS ADDITIONAL HIGH PRIORITIES THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR CITY MANAGER, MARY, TO EXPRESS TO YOU. 
          WE'LL DO IT THE WAY YOU WERE IF YOU OKAY. 
          YOU WANNA DO THAT? ALRIGHT. 
          YOU TALK AND THEN I'LL AD LIB COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO ROCKWELL GAVE US, UM, THREE PRIORITIES. 
          THEIR FIRST PRIORITY WAS TO PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU ON THE VILLAGE DRIVE, RAILROAD BRIDGE. 
          AND SO WE'VE GOT RTR FUNDS ON THAT FROM COG, BUT WE NEED OUR LOCAL MATCH. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FROM THE COURT IS A $2 MILLION COMMITMENT TO ASSIST WITH THE LOCAL MATCH OF THAT. 
          THAT WILL COVER, UM, TWO THIRDS OF THE LOCAL MATCH. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL FOR THAT 2 MILLION. 
          THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENGINEERING AND THE LETTING OF THE PROJECT TO REPLACE AND WIDEN THE RAILROAD BRIDGE, UM, THERE OVER THE UPRR. 
          I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT. 
          NO, I, I DID. 
          I I SAID THAT IN OUR CONSORTIUM MEETINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND MARY AND I AND AND OTHERS IN ON THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH IT. 
          MOST DEFINITELY DID. 
          DID WE NOT DO THAT WHEN COMMISSIONER SEVER WAS HERE? THE FUNDS ARE NOT IN WHAT, WHAT DID THEY ALLOCATE? 2 MILLION FOR? 2 0 5. 
          THE, UH, 2 0 5 STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S OUR INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT. 
          GOT IT. 
          DEALT WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS ONE THAT WITH THIS MONEY, IT WILL ACTUALLY GET BUILT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANY FOR TDOT LIKE THAT. 
          WE JUST, WE JUST NEED THE BOND FUND ISSUE. 
          COG HAS STEPPED UP AND OFFERED THAT MONEY. 
          GOT, SO YEAH. 
          JUST MADE THE BOND FUNDS ISSUED SO WE CAN ENTER INTO THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ROCKWELL'S SECOND PRIORITY WAS FM 1141. 
          I BELIEVE THEIR PAIN POINT IS AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          YES. 
          BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO GET THE ADVANCE PLANNING EFFORTS FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT DONE. 
          THAT WAY THAT WOULD CLEAR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT. 
          THAT WOULD 
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IN CLEAR, CLEAR YOUR RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT AND GIVE YOU A SCHEMATIC TO BUILD OFF ON. 
          THEN LIKE ON 5 52, IF WE WANNA DO A SMALLER BREAKOUT THAT WE THINK WOULD BE EASIER FOR TXDOT TO FUND OR MAYBE EVEN ROCKWALL COUNTY TO FUND COMPLETELY WITH BOND FUNDS OR ENTER INTO A 50 50, THEN WE COULD CUT IT INTO A SMALLER, UM, PORTION. 
          SO WHAT I'VE GOT ON THAT ONE IS $2.75 MILLION AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS AND THE FIRST ISSUANCE. 
          SO THAT ONE, SINCE THAT ONE WASN'T ON THE TRIP, 21 LIST WOULD NEED TO COME FROM DISCRETIONARY FUNDS FROM, THAT'S WHAT KEPT COMMISSIONER SEVER WAS, WAS PUTTING HIS DISCRETIONARY TOWARD WAS 1141 BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT WE ALL CAME UP WITH THE LIST FOR TRIP 21, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT FRESHMAN CENTER WAS GONNA GET BUILT. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THE SAME BOND ELECTION. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO, UM, IS THAT IN PRECINCT 2 1 1? IT'S IN PRECINCT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH, ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT'S PROBLEM SOLVED. 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE ALSO GOT THE PRECINCTS FOR YOU ON THE LEFT, ON THE FIRST COLUMN. 
          WELL, YOU EXPECT US TO REFER BACK. 
          I'M, I'M TOTALLY KIDDING THEM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          TRYING TO BE AS I WAS LOOKING AS NOT MAKE IT SO SMALL THAT WE COULDN'T READ IT. 
          WE ALL NEEDED MAGNIFYING GLASSES. 
          UM, JOB ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, THE THIRD PRIORITY IS HORIZON ROAD. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A PARTIALLY EXECUTED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH, UM, BRIDGE FARMER ON THIS ONE. 
          IT WAS PART OF THE RFQ THAT WE WENT OUT FOR LAST YEAR. 
          SO IF WE DECIDE TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THE 1.491 MILLION WOULD BE TO, UM, ON THIS ONE, WE'RE DOING ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS, BUT MORE LIKE A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO SEE. 
          IT'S A VERY CRAMPED CORRIDOR, SO WE'RE WANTING TO SEE WHAT WE COULD PUT IN THERE TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, UM, IN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE WIDENED, UH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A GAS STATION WITH UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT. 
          BUT THERE COULD BE SOME, UM, RAISED MEDIANS, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES. 
          SOME OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNALS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, SOME OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT THEY COULD PROPOSE THAT WOULD HELP THE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC ON THIS COULD MOVE ONE OF THE SCHOOLS AWAY FROM THE OTHER SCHOOL. 
          NO, THIS IS A D THIS IS, OH, THIS IS THE OTHER WAY ON THE, THIS IS THE PART WHERE HEATH RESIDENTS GET ON IT TO GET TO 30 TO GO TO. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO I'M SURE HEATH SUPPORTS THE NEED FOR THIS ROAD. 
          SORRY. 
          AND, AND I WILL SAY THIS IS A ROAD THAT THE CITY BUILT ALL CITY DOLLARS IN 1995. 
          SO HERE 30 YEARS LATER, IT'S YEAH, THAT, THAT ROAD DEFINITELY IS WHAT NEEDS TO DO NEEDS IS NEEDED EV EVERY DAY AND NOT EVEN AT RUSH HOUR, JUST ANYTIME. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND LORD, HELP US, IF WE GET SOMEONE TIMID UP AT I 30, IT'LL BACK ALL THE WAY UP TO REG. 
          EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A TDOT ASSET. 
          NO, WE DON'T. 
          IS IS A CITY ASSET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON THEIR FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY WE COULD COME BACK IN THE SECOND OR THIRD ISSUANCE AND SAY, HEY, THEY SAY IF WE PUT $15 MILLION ON THIS TO DO, RAISE MEDIANS, PUT LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES HERE, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT, THAT IT WOULD, UM, IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH HERE AND WE COULD POSSIBLY GET PAVEMENT ON THE GROUND FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE HERE IN FAVOR OF PAVEMENT. 
          THIS, THIS, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF PAVEMENT. 
          THIS IS ONE WHERE I, I, I READ IT AND EVERYTHING EVERYONE HAS SAID ABOUT THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IS TRUE. 
          BUT I REALLY LOOK AT IT AND THINK, I, YOUR COMMENT WAS VERY TELLING. 
          IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS, MAN, IT'S JAMMED UP IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN YOU GOTTA CONNECT TO I 30. 
          AND THAT'S THEIR INTERSECTION, I ASSUME IS BEING PLANNED FOR THE EXISTING ROADS GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          IT IS. 
          AND ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT HAVING BRIDGE FARMER ON A PARTIALLY EXECUTED CONTRACT IS THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN OF IH 30. 
          SO THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY YOUR SELECTION COMMITTEE PROBABLY SELECTED THEM FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE VERY HELPFUL IN THAT. 
          BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND SO THEY CAN SURVEY IT, SHOW US WHAT ROOM WE'VE GOT, IDENTIFY THE UTILITIES, IDENTIFY THE PINCH POINTS, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE. 
          SO THE MILLION 4 91 YOU'RE MENTIONING HERE, IS THAT IN, IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE, THAT IS ALL JUST STRICTLY TO DECIDE AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR 
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NOT WE CAN DO MORE? UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT IN THERE FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. 
          IF WE FIND THINGS THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH, THERE'S MONEY IN THERE TO DO AN ACTUAL SCHEMATIC. 
          SO WE COULD ROLL IT OUT, LOOK AT IT AND SEE EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED. 
          BUT, BUT OUR HOPE ON THAT IS TO GET TEXDOT ARRESTED. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TEXDOT OR POSSIBLY COG. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I, I HAVE NOT LIMITED FEDERALIZING THIS SECTION, I'M NOT SURE TEX DOT'S GONNA TAKE IT ONTO THEIR SYSTEM, BUT WITH IT BEING A CONNECTOR BETWEEN FM SEVEN 40 AND 30, WHICH ARE TWO VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED CORRIDORS, THIS IS THINGS THAT COG LIKES AND UNDERSTANDS THAT IT HELPS THE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          SO IF WE CAN'T GET TEXT INTERESTED, I WANT TO KEEP IT, UM, FEDERALIZED SO WE COULD POSSIBLY GET COG INTERESTED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THI THIS IS A ROADWAY THAT WE WILL HAVE, ASSUMING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WIDENING, WE'LL HAVE UTILITIES IN IT. 
          IT'S A CITY STREET. 
          WE'RE HOPING TXDOT WILL, WILL TAKE OVER. 
          SO WE MAY END UP IN THE ARGUMENT WE'RE HAVING WITH TDOT ON THE, ON THE MIDDLE OF JOHN KING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT END TO END WITH CITY DOLLARS AND THEY'RE PUSHING BACK ON UTILITIES. 
          BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABOUT TO GET THROUGH THAT AND WITH ENOUGH PRESSURE, WE WILL. 
          WE'RE KEEPING THE PRESSURE UP. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE DID HAVE THAT FOURTH PRIORITY, WHICH WAS ALSO ONE OF THE HEATH PRIORITIES. 
          THEY'RE, UM, I I, I THINK OF THAT AS BY PULLING AND CANE, SO I DO TOO. 
          WE KNOW WHAT A, IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND YOU'VE GOT, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT AN ENGINEER ON CONTRACT WITH THAT. 
          WE'VE GOT LTRA. 
          UM, THEY WERE ON CONTRACT TO DO THE ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS, AND THEY'VE GIVEN ME NUMBERS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE PSE. 
          SO, UM, SO YEAH. 
          IS THAT IT? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WANNA MOVE TO ROYCE CITY NOW AND LET THEM COME UP AND DO THEIR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE COUNTY STUFF LATER. 
          LACEY. 
          ALL RIGHT, MS. LACEY, GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN GO. 
          OKAY, YOU'RE ON A ROLL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO ON ROYCE CITY, THEIR FIRST PRIORITY WAS FM 5 48. 
          UM, WE HAD SCHEMATIC APPROVAL, GOT SCHEMATIC APPROVAL ON IT IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVAL, UM, PROBABLY END OF THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          THEN IT WILL BE READY FOR P, S AND E. 
          SO THE 3.2 MILLION I HAVE IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A-P-S-N-E ON THAT ONE. 
          NOW I WILL ALSO NOTE ON THIS ONE IN THE MASTER LIST AND IN MY NOTES, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM PUT MONEY IN THIS PROJECT FOR 10% OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          TDOT IS NO LONGER REQUIRING, OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THEIR CFRS ARE NO LONGER REQUIRING THAT WE PUT 10% IN FOR RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THAT'S A COST THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO BEAR. 
          SO THAT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PSE WHEN WE HADN'T ORIGINALLY. 
          PROBABLY PLANNED THAT TO GET IT FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? TAKE THE WIND IF YOU CAN GET IT. 
          YEAH, TAKE THE WIND. 
          I'LL TAKE THE WIND. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE THAT ROYCE CITY LOOKED AT WAS THE NORTH SECTION OF THE OUTER LOOP FROM THE COUNTY LINE DOWN TO STATE HIGHWAY 2 76. 
          WHAT I DID IS I WENT OUT AND TALKED TO HALF AN ASSOCIATES AND GOT AN ESTIMATE OF, OKAY, IF YOU WERE GONNA DO THE PSE PACKET, 'CAUSE WE'RE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE ON SCHEMATIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL ON THAT NORTH SECTION. 
          IF YOU WERE GONNA DO THE PSE PACKET ON THIS TO DO THE FIRST TWO LANE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THAT'S IT, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE? AND THEY GAVE US A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF 7.5. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ENTERED THERE, UM, ON ROY CITY'S SECOND PRIORITY. 
          AND IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE, , THE SECOND ONE, UH, ROYCE CITY CAME UP WITH STATE HIGHWAY 66 AT IRBY CAMPBELL. 
          UM, I EXPANDED THAT SINCE COMMISSIONER STACY, UM, HAS BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STATE HIGHWAY 7 66 AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THE WHOLE QUARTER. 
          I SUGGESTED THAT WE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT FOR A CONSULTANT ENGINEER TO ANALYZE THE QUARTER AND COME BACK AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS AND P, S, AND E FOR INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD HELP ALONG THE WHOLE QUARTER, INCLUDING THE INTERSECTION 
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AT IRBY CAMPBELL. 
          SO THE 1 MILLION THAT YOU SEE IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE IS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH, IDENTIFY, UM, IDENTIFY LOCATIONS AND START ON PSE PACKETS FOR THOSE. 
          MAY I, I'M GONNA ADD YES. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD ADD 5 52 TO THAT SCOPE. 
          OH, IT'S GONNA BE THE WHOLE QUARTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GONNA BE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, YEAH, SO YOU MEAN FROM JOHN KING AND NOT, NOT BEN PAYING, BUT IT'S GONNA BE JOHN KING THROUGH BEN PAYING TO URBY CAMPBELL. 
          IS THAT THE LIMITS FROM JOHN KING? I WAS LOOKING, I WAS LOOKING, I WAS LOOKING FROM JOHN KING THROUGH BEN PAYNE ROAD. 
          IS THAT NOT LONG ENOUGH? DO WE NEED TO EXTEND IT? BEN PAYNE IS IN FATE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEN IT WOULD NEED BE JOHN KING TO HER CAMPBELL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          JOHN KING TWO . 
          AND IN FACT, I THOUGHT THAT SO MUCH I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING EVERY TIME I LOOKED AT IT. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT WAS PROBABLY A MISTYPE ON MY PART, BUT YES, THE ENTIRE QUARTER IS WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING THEY LOOK AT. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT IS GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY DID THAT A LONG TIME AGO. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS GOING IN AND STARTING A JOHN KING TO IRBY CAMPBELL AND STUDYING ALL THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THEN COMING BACK WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN TO EXECUTE THOSE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT'S BEEN KIND OF HODGEPODGE WITH THE SIGNALS ONE OFF HAPPENING AND THERE'S TURN LANES THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS. 
          BUT REALLY THE RIGHT TURN MOVEMENTS ARE POSITIVE, ARE THE REAL PROBLEM. 
          AND THEY ONLY, THEY ONLY LET US TURN LEFT. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU ALL THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION. 
          I I, I WAS JUST CONFUSED WHEN YOU WERE SAYING FROM HERE TO THERE, BUT IT WAS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          NOW I GET IT. 
          YEP. 
          SO, UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, ALLOCATE SOME OF YOUR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS FOR THAT? OH ONE 100%. 
          NO, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. 
          THAT, THAT IS WAY UP ON MY PRIORITY LIST OF ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS VERY OFTEN, BUT THE MORNING COMMUTE FROM ROYCE CITY IN, INTO ROCKWELL, THIS IS BRUTAL. 
          66 IS NOT FOR THE WEEK. 
          IT IS NOT. 
          NO. 
          NEITHER IS 30. 
          IT'S FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          , THEY PUT THE FURNITURE DOWN TO ONE LANE AND MOVE THE RAMP AND IT'S JUST WREAKING HAVOC. 
          AND, AND I WILL CAUTION, I I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD EXPENDITURE OF BOND FUNDS, BUT YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR TRANSMISSION LINE ON ONE SIDE AND MAJOR DRAINAGE FACILITIES ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO, AND, AND, AND, UH, ISN'T THAT A FEDERAL IN 66, A FEDERAL HIGHWAY? UM, IT'S, IT'S A STATE ASSET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH TXDOT ON IT. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY JUST COMPLETED TWO IMPROVEMENTS ON, ON STATE HIGHWAY 66, SO WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          BUT, UM, SMALLER PROJECTS LIKE THIS, AND ESPECIALLY PROJECTS THAT YOU COULD DEVELOP AND HAVE THE PLANS AVAILABLE AND THEN SUBMIT FOR SAFETY, UM, FUNDING. 
          THE, THE KEY TO SAFETY FUNDING IS ONCE YOU GET PICKED UP ON IT, THERE'S A TIME CLOCK AND THEY'VE GOT TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS BY A CERTAIN DEADLINE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET SAFETY FUNDS ON THESE LITTLE PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD PACKET OF MONEY TO GO AFTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ANYONE ON THIS COURT, IF YOU DON'T SEE THE VALUE IS, UM, WHEN YOU LEAVE WORK AT ABOUT 4 35 O'CLOCK, DRIVE TO DOWNTOWN ROYCE CITY AND THEN GET UP AT ABOUT SEVEN 30 AND GO TO ROY CITY AND THEN TRY TO DRIVE TO THE COURTHOUSE. 
          JUST, JUST DO, JUST DO THAT A COUPLE TIMES AND THEN, AND THEN I THINK YOU'LL SEE THIS AS GREAT USE OF MONEY. 
          BUT BRENDA, ONE QUESTION THAT THE JUDGE ASKED, UM, AS FAR AS FEDERAL, BECAUSE 66 IS ALSO KNOWN AS BANQUETTE HIGHWAY, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME FEDERAL FUNDING THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THE, TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL. 
          UM, THE FEDERAL FUNDING COMES THROUGH TDOT. 
          OH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          IT FUND, IT FUNNELS THROUGH TXDOT. 
          OKAY, OKAY. 
          UM, THROUGH THEIR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION BILL. 
          THEY TAKE CARE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE IS NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT AND AN ESTIMATE THAT LACEY PROVIDED TO US. 
          UM, IF YOU SELECT THAT PROJECT, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ENTER INTO AN ICA WITH ROY CITY AND HAND THE FUNDS TO 'EM AND LET THEM HANDLE IT. 
          I, I KNOW COMMISSIONER STACY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT COUNTY LINE ROAD. 
          YES. 
          FOR THREE YEARS. 
          FOR THREE YEARS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          , UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT IS HMAC WITH CULVERTS MEAN? IT'S A HOT MIX. 
          ASPHALT CONCRETE. 
          IT DOES NOT NEED A CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER FANCY. 
          IT'S REALLY A MAINTENANCE PROJECT AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S GOING FROM DIRT TO PAVING IN SOME CAPACITY AND PUTTING SOME CROSSINGS AT WHERE THE WATER DRAINS AND, AND CREATING A PATH IN WHICH IS SAFE AND, AND DOES NOT, 
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UH, YOU DON'T GET STUCK WHEN IT RAINS. 
          AND, AND SO YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION, I GUESS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, PROBABLY NOW ABOUT THE FARM EQUIPMENT MM-HMM . 
          ARE WE GONNA DO ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FARM EQUIPMENT DOESN'T TEAR IT UP? OR IS THAT JUST YOU JUST PUT MORE HOT MIX ON IT EVERY SO OFTEN AND KEEP IT MAINTENANCE? IT'S PART OF HAVING A COUNTY ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          FLANKING TWO, TWO FARMS. IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND IF, IF WE GET INTO IT AND, AND MAYBE HMAC IS NOT THE RIGHT MATERIAL, MAYBE GRAVEL IS ALSO OKAY. 
          UH, WE DEAL WITH GRAVEL ON SOILS RIGHT NOW, AND WE ARE, WE WORK WITH ROCKWELL COUNTY CONSTANTLY AND PARTNER WITH YOU GUYS AND YOUR, YOUR MAINTENANCE CREWS AT YOUR, YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE GUYS TO GO OUT THERE AND HELP US, UH, USE THEIR EQUIPMENT. 
          WE, WE PAY FOR, FOR THAT. 
          AND, AND Y'ALL USE YOUR EQUIPMENT TO GO, UH, CLEAN IT UP AND IT HAS TO GET DONE THREE TIMES A YEAR PRETTY CONSISTENTLY JUST BECAUSE THE ROCK IS JUST CONSTANTLY BEING HAMMERED, UM, BY, BY THE TRAFFIC. 
          THAT IS. 
          I I I REALLY THINK THAT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIAL DRIVING PATTERNS IN THREE YEARS. 
          YES. 
          OUT OF DOWNTOWN ROYCE CITY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR SECOND QUESTION, I WOULD 100% PUT THIS OUTTA MY DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN ASK IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET A SOLUTION TO NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD FOR UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL. 
          UM, THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING KIND OF LIKE, UH, I DON'T WANNA DRAMA DRAMATIZE IT, BUT IT'S GONNA KIND OF BE LIKE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH CRENSHAW. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SCHOOL OPEN UP WITH ACCESS POINTS AND NORTH COUNTRY ROAD IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MAIN AVENUES THAT'S GONNA GET YOU EAST AND WEST WHEN WITH 66. 
          SO IF YOU GO LOOK AT THAT MAP, YOU YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS PEOPLE ARE GONNA START GOING NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD CROSSING 1138 AND COMING DOWN TO THE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE ABSOLUTE FASTEST WAY TO GET THERE. 
          UM, AND NONE OF THOSE ROADS ARE READY . 
          SO IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE, I LOVE THIS IDEA AND IT WOULD, I WOULD 100% PUT MY DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. 
          I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD USE OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS AND, AND GETTING SOMETHING READY TO GO AND DOING IT THROUGH AN ILA IS, I, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          I DO HAVE TO SAY TOO THAT THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND PAVE, UM, SOILS AS WELL. 
          WE JUST, WE MADE THAT DECISION AND THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT GOT APPROVED IN OUR BUDGET JUST RECENTLY IS WE'RE TIRED OF DEALING WITH IT WITH, WITH GRAVEL. 
          AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND PAVE IT OUR OURSELVES. 
          IT IS EFFECTIVELY A CITY STREET AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UM, FIFTH PRIORITY WAS THE FM 1777, FM 35 EXTENSION. 
          UM, WHAT I LOOKED AT THERE WAS FUNDING FOR THE ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          SO THE 1.5 MILLION I HAVE IN THE FIRST ISSUANCE WOULD BE TO BRING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO DO THE ADVANCE PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          SO ON THIS PROJECT, ALTHOUGH IT IS PRIORITY NUMBER FIVE WITH THE PROGRESSION OF PRIORITY NUMBER ONE AND PRIORITY NUMBER TWO ALREADY WEIGH INTO ITS, ITS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN PRIORITY THREE AND FOUR ARE KIND OF, I CONSIDER THOSE SMALL LOW HANGING FRUIT TYPE PROJECTS, NOT, NOT A LOT OF DOLLARS ON THEM. 
          UM, THE TIME AND EFFORT IS GOING TO TAKE TO DELIVER, UH, PRIORITY NUMBER FIVE PROJECT. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY A DECADE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT. 
          IT IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT. 
          IF ALL S IT'S, IT'S, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE STATE SYSTEM. 
          IT WOULD BE GREAT IF TXDOT WOULD HELP DELIVER THIS PROJECT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL. 
          UM, COG CERTAINLY I THINK WOULD BE INTERESTED. 
          IT WOULD BE A REGIONAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          UH, BECAUSE IT CONNECTS 1777 TO 30 GETS PEOPLE TO THE INTERSTATE, IT WILL IMPROVE OUR DOWNTOWN, UM, ACCESS. 
          BUT THE TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT, WE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD GET STARTED NOW. 
          EVEN 1.5 MILLION IS A GREAT BUCKET OF DOLLARS TO GET STARTED. 
          DO I THINK IT'S GONNA COST MORE THAN THAT FOR ADVANCED PLANNING? YEP, I DO. 
          BUT THAT WILL GET STARTED. 
          IT WILL START TO GET THE ANSWER TECH DOT, DO YOU WANNA HELP US DELIVER THIS PROJECT? DO YOU NOT, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THIS PROJECT ON SYSTEM, DO YOU NOT? THEN WE HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS GONNA BE A CITY STREET OR IT'S GONNA BE A TDOT STREET. 
          ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COG TO PARTNER MORE IF TDOT'S NOT GONNA COME TO THE TABLE BECAUSE IT HAS A RAILROAD CROSSING, IT HAS A, A FLOOD PLAIN CROSSING. 
          IT HAS A CONNECTION TO THE INTERSTATE CONNECTION TO 66. 
          I I HAVEN'T, IT'S A COMPLICATED PROJECT. 
          I HAVE AN OUT OF BOX THOUGHT ON ON THIS DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE COLLIN COUNTY, YOU HAVE ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND WE HAVE ALL THAT. 
          WOULD THIS NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT DOING, LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH 2 0 5 AND GIVE ADVANCED PLANNING MONEY TO ROYCE CITY TO START BUILDING SOME OF THE VIABILITY AND WORKING WITH THE LOCAL PARTNERS ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN RATHER THAN HAVE ROCKWALL COUNTY TALKING TO COLLIN COUNTY? I MEAN, COLLIN COUNTY'S ABOUT TO SEND SIX LANES INTO A TWO LANE ROAD THAT'S JUST GONNA DEAD END. 
          AND THIS ONE MILE WOULD CONNECT INTERSTATE 30 
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AND CREATE SO MUCH MOBILITY. 
          BUT TO LACEY'S POINT, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED. 
          I'M JUST ASKING WOULD IT AT LEAST TAKE ONE LAYER OF COMPLICATION OUT OR WOULD IT NOT IF WE JUST SAID, HERE ROY CITY, GO DO SOME ADVANCED PLANNING. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY OFF THE LIST AND THEN THEY CAN WORK IT. 
          OR IS IT BETTER FOR US JUST TO HIRE FIRMS AND START WORK? 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH COLLIN COUNTY TO GET THAT ONE LITTLE OF COURSE. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IN COLLIN COUNTY, I'VE SPOKEN TO COLLIN COUNTY MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY'RE AWARE, AWARE OF IT, AND ARE KIND OF JUST WAITING UNTIL THE COUNTY'S READY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS AT THE NEXT LEVEL. 
          AND I THINK YOU ALL RIGHT, NOW Y'ALL HAVE A BUCKET OF RESOURCES. 
          YOU HAVE ALREADY SCREENED ENGINEERS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. 
          YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE WORK YET. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE A A FOUR. 
          I THINK THERE'S FOUR. 
          SO, SO SO I'M JUST SAYING HAVE THE RESOURCE, MY PLAN DOESN'T REDUCE ANY SORT OF ISSUE. 
          I'M IS IT IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. 
          IT IT DOES, IT IT THE COMPLICATION DOESN'T GO AWAY. 
          IF WE DID THAT CORRECT, IT WOULD JUST CREATE A SECOND COMPLICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          PROS AND CONS. 
          IF YOU WANNA DEVELOP IT WHERE IT'S A, A FEDERALLY, UM, A FEDERALIZE IT, IF YOU WANNA KEEP IT FEDERALIZED AND GET, UM, COG AND TDOT INVOLVED AND MAYBE GET T.TO BRING IT ON AS THEIR ASSET, THEN GIVING THE MONEY TO ROY CITY FOR THEM TO DO IT DOES NOT, DOES NOT TAKE THAT LAYER AWAY. 
          UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT THE SAME WAY WE DID. 
          YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          IF YOU WANT ROY CITY TO LOOK AT IT, BUILDING IT AS A CITY STREET, WHICH IT'S GONNA BE A VERY EXPENSIVE CITY STREET BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE MENTIONED, THE FLOODPLAIN CROSSING AND THE RAILROAD CROSSING, THEN IT WOULD TAKE A LAYER OUT BECAUSE THEY COULD DEVELOP IT TO CITY STANDARDS AND AS A CITY STREET. 
          BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 'EM BEARING THE COST OF A REALLY EXPENSIVE PROJECT ONCE IT'S DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I I THINK WE FIRST NEED TO KNOW, DOES TEXT DO WANT TO PARTICIPATE? IT, IT, WE NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD A ROUTE, HAD HAD A VERY PRELIMINARY DESIGN ON IT, PRESENT IT, AND I THINK THE 1.5 MILLION COULD GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ALL SITTING AT THE TABLE WITH THE COUNTY, BOTH, BOTH COUNTIES AND TXDOT AND SAY, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO ABOUT THIS? THIS WHAT WE BELIEVE A VERY IMPORTANT REGIONAL CONNECTION. 
          I MEAN, IT HAD 24,000 TRIPS A DAY IN THE COG MODEL IN 2050 AND IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST. 
          IT'S THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE, I MEAN WE HAVE THE CORNER OF 66 TO 1777 ALREADY WITH TWO SCHOOLS. 
          THREE SCHOOLS ACTUALLY IS WE, WE OWN SOME PROPERTY UP THERE. 
          OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OFF 66 NOW. 
          COLIN COLLEGE IS COMING. 
          IT'S, IT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THAT THE VOLUMES ARE GOING TO BE CREATED AT THAT INTERSECTION ARE KIND OF SCARY  A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND SO THE TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT, WE REALLY NEED TO GET STARTED ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, SO JUST PRETEND I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION. 
          WE'LL JUST CONTINUE AS YOU BUT ON ACTUALLY IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, IT WAS A REALLY QUESTION ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANNA MOVE THIS UP IN YOUR PRIORITY LIST? NO. 
          SO, UH, IT'S REALLY, YOU HAD, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE YOU CAME WITH SIX PRIORITIES, ALL OF THEM ARE PRIORITY ONE BY, BY THE WAY, , YOU'RE MAKING ME PUT NUMBERS ON THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE REASON WHY IT'S SO FAR DOWN IS BECAUSE ONE AND TWO ARE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD AND THEY WERE ONE IN OUR LIST BACK IN 2021 AND THEY'RE ONE ON OUR LIST TODAY. 
          AND WE WANNA KEEP THOSE ADVANCING AND NOT SLOW THEM DOWN. 
          AND SO ONE AND TWO IN MY OPINION ARE KIND OF JUST, THEY'RE ALREADY SO FAR INTO THE PROCESS THAT IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING FROM SCHEMATIC INTO PSE AND THOSE, WE WANT THAT STEP TO HAPPEN AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T STOP THE TRAIN ON THOSE PROJECTS. 
          BUT, AND THEN THREE AND FOUR ARE MORE, THEY'RE SMALLER. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, DIFFERENT PLANNING, DIFFERENT DELIVERY, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ONE, WHICH IS ANOTHER, IT'S A REGIONAL, IT'S LIKE IT'S IN ITS OWN CATEGORY. 
          AND IF WE DON'T START IT NOW BECAUSE THE TIME IT TAKES TO DELIVER IT, UM, THEN, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE MOVING THAT, WE'RE MOVING THAT, THAT TICKER DOWN. 
          AND SO I, I, I REALIZE I HAVE SIX ON THE LIST AND NOT, NOT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SIX ON THE LIST, BUT, UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND GIVING IT A LITTLE BIT OF DOLLARS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          WELL, AND AND I, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY ISSUING BOND FUNDS AND IF I JUST, IF I DO THE MATH REAL QUICK, UM, AND WE'VE GOT 20 MILLION OF 60 MILLION ALL GOING TO ROYCE CITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY WE'RE GONNA, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS FIRST ISSUANCE. 
          WE DO HAVE 150 OF MONEY THAT WE NEED TO SPEND. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO JUMP OUT AND ASK FOR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN GET. 
          I WOULD DO THE SAME THING, BUT I'M JUST ASKING FOR PRIORITIES. 
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'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRETTY SOON BE MAKING DECISIONS ON WHERE WE'RE FUNDING MONEY. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, I I I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT THE OUTER LOOP SHOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS OUR NUMBER BECAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A REGIONAL COUNTY PROJECT. 
          IT, IT HAPPENS TO FALL IN OUR CITY LIMITS FOR SOME PORTIONS OF IT. 
          AND YES, WE HAVE A STRONG DESIRE TO WANT TO HAVE IT ON THE ALIGNMENT FOR, WHICH HAS GONE THROUGH ITS PROCESS AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO, TO ITS FINAL. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS A COUNTY PROJECT. 
          IT, IT REALLY SHOULD NOT REALLY COUNT. 
          WELL, I GET IT, BUT WE'VE ALSO ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT FOR $8.8 MILLION THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO, AND THIS IS NEW MONEY, RIGHT? YOU'RE ASKING FOR, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SEVEN FIVE, THE SEVEN AND HALF MILLION? ISN'T THAT SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE HALF CONTRACT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THIS IS NEW MONEY. 
          SO YOU'RE MOVING. 
          SO YOU ASKING US TO TAKE A STEP ON THAT PROJECT? I KNOW IT'S NOT ROYCE CITY. 
          I KNOW. 
          AND RIGHT. 
          AS MUCH AS I DON'T WANNA OPEN UP THE HOW DO WE GET T MOVING BOX? I REALLY DON'T WANNA OPEN UP THE OUTER LOOP BOX, BUT, WELL, AND, AND, BUT, AND I GET YOUR POINT, BUT STILL YOU WERE A, YOU'RE ASKING US TO PRIORITIZE MONEY FOR ROYCE CITY. 
          THAT'S WHAT JUDGE NEW ASKED EVERYBODY TO BRING YOUR PROJECTS. 
          AND YOU BROUGHT SIX AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I AND I, IT WOULD ALL START WITH A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE UP THIS, UM, THIS LAST PROJECT WE WERE DISCUSSING TO A HIGHER PRIORITY, AND I GUESS THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          WELL, IF, IF YOU, IF, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT FROM, WELL LET ME, UM, IF WE GOT THE SCHEMATIC APPROVED AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVAL OF THE OUTER LOOP AND THE NORTH SECTION HAVE IT WHERE THE COUNTY THEN HAS THOSE DOCUMENTS WHERE THE CITY, CITY OF ROCKWALL, CITY OF ROY CITY CAN MEET WITH THE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY COME IN TO DEVELOP SOMETHING AND SAY, THIS IS OUR APPROVED FOOTPRINT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE APPROVED ENVIRONMENTALLY, IT AT LEAST PRESERVES THE CORRIDOR. 
          SO IF YOU DEFERRED THE 7.5 FOR THE PS AND E FOR THIS TO A LATER ISSUANCE, THEN I THINK YOU STILL BENEFIT BY PRESERVING THE QUARTER. 
          YOU'VE GOT IT TO WHERE YOU HAVE A LEGAL STANDING FOR THE CITIES TO VISIT WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. 
          AND IT'S BEEN FEDERALLY APPROVED HERE. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO DEFER THE PSNE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH TDOT TO COME IN AND START THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          ONCE WE GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE SCHEMATIC APPROVED. 
          THERE'S BEEN SUPPORT FROM COG TO START WORKING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO DEFERRING THE PS E PROBABLY WOULD NOT HURT IF YOU THOUGHT MOVING ONE OF THESE OTHERS UP WOULD HELP. 
          IS THAT FAIR? A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK PRESERVING THE CORRIDOR IS THE PRIORITY TODAY. 
          YES, I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          I DO ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT FM 35 WAS ON THE TRIP 21 LIST. 
          TXDOT TOOK THAT OVER. 
          UM, THAT WAS A $4 MILLION BOND COMMITMENT THAT YOU'RE NO LONGER HAVING TO, TO MEET. 
          AND THE TWO NEW ONES, NUMBER THREE AND FOUR, THEY CAN DROP TO FIVE AND SIX. 
          YOU CAN MOVE FIVE AND SIX UP TO THREE AND FOUR. 
          UM, THOSE ARE DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER STACY AND I CAN WORK THROUGH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE FEEL LIKE IS THE RIGHT TIMING. 
          IF, IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS WITH THE PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS. 
          UM, 4 MILLION GOT PULLED OFF THE TABLE AND, AND I SLIPPED IN $1.5 MILLION WORTH OF, WELL ACTUALLY IT WASN'T EVEN ONE BEFORE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY A, A CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT, NOT JUST ROYCE CITY'S IMPROVEMENT OF A MILLION. 
          BUT, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS AT THIS POINT TO CALL THAT MILLION ROYCE CITY BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL ACTUALLY BE DONE IN FATE TO BE TOTALLY FAIR. 
          YEAH. 
          ROY CITY HAS ONE LIGHT, MAYBE 1138 WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER. 
          YEAH, IT'S BOTH, BUT UM, I'M JUST SAYING, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WRONG TO THEN JUST TAKE 1777 AND MAKE IT PRIORITY THREE. 
          I I I THINK THAT THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. 
          AND YOU'D ALMOST WANNA MAKE 66 JUST BASICALLY MY PRIORITY BECAUSE THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER STACY. 
          AND YOU DO HAVE, LIKE SHE MENTIONED, FM 35 IS NOW, UM, A TAKE STOCK RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THEY, THEY TOOK THAT ON. 
          SO, UM, WHEREVER YOU WANT TO REPRIORITIZE THAT FUNDING, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA LEAVE A LITTLE BIT IN IT IF THEY GET STALLED OUT ON PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, LATER CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT SHIFTS 1777 TO PRIORITY THREE. 
          IT REMOVES 
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PRIORITY THREE OFF OF OUR LIST. 
          AND THIS GOES TO SHIFTS COUNTY LINE TO FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PRIORITY ONE IS STILL FM 5 48. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN PRIORITY TWO IS OUTER LOOP IF, UNLESS THE DECISION IS UNLESS MAKE A DECISION, RIGHT? YES MA'AM. 
          AND THEN THAT MOVE AND, AND IF, AND THEN PRIORITY THREE WOULD BE FM 1777 AND FM 35. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT KEEPS 24 53 RIGHT WHERE IT IS? RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT . 
          OKAY. 
          SAME THING WITH IT. 
          UM, THERE WAS FUNDING IN THE ORIGINAL BOND PROGRAM FOR 10% RIGHT OF WAY MATCH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO UTILIZE ANYMORE. 
          UM, AND THE 2.125 MILLION WAS FOR ADVANCED PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU LACEY. 
          I THINK ALL THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          APPRECIATE VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS BRENDA. 
          BRENDA'S BEEN AWESOME BY THE WAY. 
          SHE SHE'S BEEN GREAT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM ROULETTE? CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE? UM, YES. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          IF WE LOOK AT NUMBER 11 ON YOUR ORIGINAL BOND LISTING, UM, WE WERE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH ETTE TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE, THE IMPROVEMENT FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANES OF DOW ROCK ROAD FROM 66 TO IH 30. 
          AND WE WERE FUNDING THE PORTION OF THAT IMPROVEMENT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE AN ICA WITH ROLLOUT AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD TAKE IT OVER AND RUN WITH IT. 
          DOES THAT BUILD THE ROAD? IT DIDN'T. 
          2021. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WOULD NEED TO REACH OUT TORAL. 
          THEY WEREN'T AT THE ORIGINAL, UM, MEETING, I DON'T THINK. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE GOT ANY UPDATED ESTIMATES ON IT. 
          WELL, I'M GONNA PUT THAT ON YOU AND THE JUDGE TO FIGURE THAT OUT THEN. 
          I WILL. 
          YEP. 
          I CAN, I CAN GET AHOLD OF MAYOR WING. 
          YEP. 
          SEE IF THEY'VE GOT UPDATED ESTIMATES ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE WANNA GO BACK TO PRECINCT THREE, ERICA, YOU WANNA COME UP AND TALK THROUGH 'EM WITH ME OR YOU WANT ME TO JUST ROLL WITH IT? OKAY, SO ERIC AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE PRECINCT, UM, THREE PROJECTS IN THE PRECINCT, FOUR PROJECTS PRECINCT THREE. 
          THE FIRST PRIORITY IS POETRY ROAD. 
          I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER STACY AND ERICA HAVE DRIVEN POETRY ROAD LTE, SORRY, NOT ME. 
          I HAVEN'T DRIVEN OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER LICHTY. 
          YES. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT NORTH COUNTY . 
          SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER LTE AND ERICA HAVE DRIVEN POETRY ROADS. 
          YEAH, HE CAN. 
          HE'S NA TELL HIM, NAH, NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          YOU'LL TAKE THAT ON. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. 
          YEAH, NO, WE'RE GOOD. 
          YES, WE HAVE DRIVEN POETRY. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S NOT A BAD ROAD REALLY. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE NARROW. 
          SO IN TALKING WITH ERICA, UM, I THINK WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT IT AND YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WIDENING IT TO FOUR LANES, BUT REALLY IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY YOU'RE TYING INTO TWO LANES AT 5 48, YOU'RE TYING INTO TWO LANES. 
          I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD USE OF, OF COUNTY BOND FUNDS TO WIDEN POETRY RIGHT NOW TO FOUR LANES. 
          UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND A, A REHAB OF POETRY ROAD, UM, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR HOUSING SUBDIVISIONS. 
          AND THEN I KNOW THAT YOU AND ERICA MET WITH TXDOT ABOUT MAKING A NEW CONNECTION INTO, UM, INTO FM 5 48 AND MAKING IT MORE PERPENDICULAR AND INSTEAD OF AT AN ANGLE. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE SITE DISTANCE. 
          CONSIDER WHY, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT ROCHELLE ROAD? OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT UP THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, I I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT MAKE, MAKE SENSE AND I COULDN'T, COULDN'T QUITE GET THERE. 
          SORRY. 
          I DON'T, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF MY NEXT PRESENTATION. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, WE DID TALK TO TO, WE'VE TALKED TO TDOT AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IMPACTS IS SLIGHTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS TDOT IS IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING TO DO A, A NEW OVERLAY OF 5 48 NEXT YEAR 
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IN 2026. 
          AND FOR ANYBODY, UH, WHO HAS DRIVEN POETRY ROAD AND PROBABLY ALL OF US EXCEPT COMMISSIONER STACY H UM, IT IS  IT, THE INTERSECTION WITH 5 48 IS CHALLENGING. 
          IT IS, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. 
          AND IT, LOOK, IT'S VERY, TO ME IT'S VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE ANY, EITHER WAY YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ONTO THAT ROAD FROM POETRY ROAD IS FIVE 40. 
          IF YOU'RE HEADED NORTH, YOU GOTTA CRANE YOUR HEAD BACK ABOUT TO EIGHT O'CLOCK AND IF YOU'RE HEADED SOUTH, YOU GOTTA CRANE YOUR HEAD BACK TO FOUR O'CLOCK AND THE CARS ARE FLYING BY THERE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS DOING AND A TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE, TO PUT US A SQUARED OFF TRAFFIC LIGHT IN CONNECTION. 
          A SINGLE CONNECTION WITH A ASTERISK BY THE SIGNAL SINGLE CONVEC CONNECTION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THAT, BUT WOULD GREATLY IMPROVE THE SAFETY. 
          UM, AND THEN DO THE IMPROVEMENT DOWN POETRY ROAD ITSELF. 
          I'M, UH, I I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT TWO LANES AND WHEN THIS WAS PUT INTO THE TRIP 21 PACKAGE, IT WAS VERY UNCLEAR WHAT WAS GONNA BE DONE HERE. 
          JUST AS A SIGNAL LIGHT AND IMPROVING IT SIGNAL LIGHT WOULD BE A HUGE SAFETY BENEFIT. 
          AND IF WE COULD DO IT WHERE WE COULD GET A STRAIGHT ACCESS RIGHT TURN LANE THERE, THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. 
          WE TALKED TO THEM, UM, WAS IT YESTERDAY? WE HAD A CONFERENCE CALL WITH THEM OR TWO DAYS AGO, TWO DAYS AGO. 
          TWO DAYS AGO WE TALKED WITH TEXDOT AND THEY CAN DO THE INTERSECTION AS PART OF THEIR OVERLAY PROJECT IF WE HAVE THEM COMPLETE PLANS BY MAY 1ST. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH YOU'RE NOT. 
          YEAH, IT, IT'S, WELL DON'T SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, WE SAY IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE. 
          WELL, OKAY, SO YOU NEED TO ISSUE BONDS FOR IT, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S YOUR TIMING FOR ISSUING BONDS? UM, BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT TAKES A COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR THAT TO GET ALL IN YOUR COFFERS AND FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT. 
          IF THEY'RE LETTING IN AUGUST, THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT BY MAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ERIC AND I DISCUSSED, THIS IS MY SUGGESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL WORK FOR YOU HOWEVER YOU WANT ME TO, BUT THIS IS MY SUGGESTION. 
          I THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY FUND THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED FOR TURN LANES AT THAT EVENTUAL CONNECTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEY WOULD STRIP THEM OFF AS SHOULDERS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WHERE THE, WHERE THE CURVE IS, WHERE WE WOULD MAKE THE EVENTUAL CONNECTION WITH, UH, POETRY ROAD AND FM 5 48. 
          WE COULD GO THROUGH DO THE PLANS, DO YOUR REHAB ON POETRY ROAD, DO YOUR TURN LANES, MAKE THAT ADDITIONAL CONNECTION. 
          THEN ONCE THAT CONNECTION IS MADE WITH IT, WE WOULD SRAP AND RECOVER THOSE TURN LANES THAT THEY, THEY CONSTRUCTED THE PAVEMENT TO, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          THEN AT THAT POINT YOU ASK FOR A SIGNAL WARRANT. 
          'CAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT CONFIGURATION IN PLACE BEFORE YOU ASK FOR A SIGNAL WARRANT. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY HAVE THE CONFIGURATION IN PLACE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CREATING THAT SQUARED CONNECTION TO, TO 5 48? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL LOOK, BRENDA, YOU ARE SO MUCH BETTER ON THE STRATEGIC MOVES TO GET THIS DONE THAN I AM AND I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR ADVICE 'CAUSE YOU DO A GOOD JOB. 
          BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS MONEY THAT IS IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND I THINK IT'S, UH, SOMETHING WE COULD DO A RELATIVELY QUICK WIN ON AND GET STREETS POURED AND, AND INTERSECTIONS FIXED AND THINGS DONE TO MAKE IT A LOT SAFER. 
          SO, AND AND I I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOU. 
          I JUST REALISTICALLY DON'T THINK WE CAN GET PLANS DEVELOPED TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIRS. 
          I THINK CAN WE GET PLANS DEVELOPED TO CONNECT THAT SQUARE CONNECTION ON 5 48? THE NEW THE NEW WHERE WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE ROAD OVER A LITTLE BIT? UH, I MEANT, SORRY, MOVE POETRY ROAD OVER. 
          CAN WE GET PLANS FOR THAT DONE OR CAN'T WE EVEN DO THAT? UM, IF WE CAN WORK WITH LISA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY 20 OR OR 2008. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          BOND FUNDS LEFT. 
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THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          IF SHE COULD HAVE EIGHT, YOU HAVE 800,000 TIED UP IN KIMLEY HORN. 
          WE DO. 
          WE, WE, WE DO. 
          UM, SO IF WE CAN TAKE 500,000 OF THAT, USE ONE OF YOUR ALREADY SELECTED, UM, CONSULTANTS AND GET THEM STARTED RIGHT NOW ON DOING IT. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE THE PLANS JUST FOR THE CONNECTION, NOT FOR REHABBING POETRY. 
          ROB, DON'T, DON'T START THERE TILL HE MISSES SOME OF MY ROY CITY PROJECTS AND THEN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK TO HIM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
           AND THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          WE'LL HORSE TRADE WITH YOU. 
          BUT IF, IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET, 'CAUSE I COULD PROBABLY GET SOMEBODY ON BOARD WITHIN A MONTH. 
          WELL I, AND, AND I APPRECIATE NOW THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO, THEY STILL GOTTA GO OUT AND DO SURVEYING. 
          THEY'VE STILL GOTTA GO OUT AND DO THEIR HYDRAULIC STUFF TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FLOOD FOLKS. 
          UH, THERE'S STILL A, A QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH YOU ON SEVERING THE EXISTING CONNECTIONS. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS TO BE WORKED THROUGH WITH TDOT, BUT IF WE CAN FIND SOME 2008 BOND FUNDS TO SEED THIS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONSULTANT, I THINK IT MAY BE DOABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I, AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR ADVICE BECAUSE YOU'RE THE EXPERT. 
          I'M NOT, BUT UH, TAKE IT, TAKE MY COMMENTS MEANT STRICTLY AS I REALLY THIS YOU WANT IT DONE. 
          I GOT IT. 
          I WANNA GET IT DONE AND I GOT IT. 
          I, AND UNLESS ANYBODY ON THE COURT DISAGREES WITH THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA GET THE COURT APPROVAL FOR EVERYTHING. 
          YOU, YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME AND I AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY VALUABLE AND IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THE JOKING ASIDE FROM HORSE TRADING, I, UH, I I DO SEE THE VALUE AND IF WE HAVE A TIMING, I THINK WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN ERIC, CAN ERIC AND I WORK TOGETHER WITH FALLON AND NICK TO GET IT? PLEASE DO. 
          TO, TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO DO FOR US IF WE CAN GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF PHASING IT? NO. 
          SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST IF, IF TIMING'S NOT ON OUR SIDE, WE CAN AT LEAST WORK WITH TXDOT ON WHAT THE CONNECTION NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF OF PHASING IT. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF THE IDEA OF MOVING IT FAST. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          AND SO LET, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED. 
          AND WE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DEALS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE WERE THE MASTER THOROUGH FAIR PLAN GUYS WE'RE HERE AND I MADE THE COMMENT, WE MIGHT NOT LIKE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED, BUT THEY'RE THERE. 
          AND THIS IS POETRY ROAD IS WHERE WILDWOOD IS AND THERE'S 175 HOMES NOW AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ANOTHER 200 AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO IT. 
          WE MAYBE NOT BE IN, IN FAVOR OF IT OR WHATEVER IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, ALL THAT. 
          BUT IT'S COMING. 
          SO THIS IS A ROAD WE NEED TO FIX BECAUSE THAT, AS BUSY AS IT IS NOW, THROW ANOTHER 200 HOUSES ON IT IN THE NEXT YEAR AND SEE WHAT IT DOES. 
          AND, AND I, I, UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU LOOKING AT THE A DT ON IT, IT'S THIRTY TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. 
          SO THAT REALLY DOES NOT WARRANT A FOUR LANE ROAD. 
          AND LIKE I SAY, YOU'RE TYING INTO TWO LANE ROADS ON EACH END. 
          BUT IT DOES DEFINITELY WARRANT GETTING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO LOOK AT LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AT THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, AND KEEPING IN MIND YOUR PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY OUT THERE. 
          'CAUSE THE CLOSER YOU GET TO 5 48, THE NARROWER YOUR PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY IS. 
          SO I WANNA TRY TO GET SOMETHING FIGURED OUT WHERE YOU CAN FIT IT WITHIN PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT HAVE TO BUY BY RIGHT OF THROUGH THERE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S NEXT? ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, YOUR SECOND ONE WAS WALLACE ROAD. 
          UH, UPGRADE A DIRT LANE TO A TWO LANE ASPHALT ROADWAY WITH SHOULDERS AND OPEN DITCHES FROM SO WHERE IS THAT? THE ONE BEHIND SONOMA VERDE? IT'S THE ONE THAT IS JUST NORTHWEST OF THE POETRY ROAD IN 5 48 INTERSECTION ISN'T IT? YOU GO UP AND ISN'T IT, IT GOES FROM TWO OH DOES IT GO FROM 2 0 5 ALL THE WAY TO 5 48? IT GOES FROM EDWARDS EDWARDS. 
          5 48 MAYBE. 
          IT, AND IT'S A DIRT ROAD RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE ADJACENT IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU GUYS MAY HAVE HEARD THERE'S A PLANNED RIVER ROCK DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. 
          IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK THAT WE GET IT PLANNED AND FIGURED OUT BECAUSE A PART OF THAT AGAIN WOULD BE A PORTION TO THE COST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          EDWARD TO JONES. 
          IT'S EDWARDS TO JONES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO. 
          THANK YOU SCOTT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S A DIRT ROAD, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY USED IN, IT'S REALLY MUDDY WHEN IT 
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RAINS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT WAS ON OUR, IT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL ONE YES. 
          BOND AND IT WAS ON THERE FOR, UM, FOR A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          I, I THINK. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OUT AN IDEA A, A SEED I WANT TO PUT IN YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW, AND THAT ERIC AND I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, IF WE GO OUT FOR RF QS OR EVEN IF WE DON'T, WE MIGHT WANT TO GO OUT JUST FOR AN RFQ, UM, TO GET YOU A ENGINEERING FIRM ON BOARD THAT COULD BE TASK ORIENTED. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, HEY, I NEED YOU TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT WALLACE ROAD, WE WANT TO IMPROVE IT FROM DIRT TO UM, TO ASPHALT. 
          THEY CAN GIVE YOU SOME QUICK CUT SHEETS, UH, SOME DITCH SHEETS, A PAVEMENT DESIGN AND THEY CAN ADDRESS IT QUICK AND ONCALL. 
          SO THEY WOULD KIND OF BE YOUR ON-CALL ENGINEERING FIRM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR YOUR ROADWAYS, LIKE POETRY, UM, PROBABLY NOT POETRY IN THIS CASE 'CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A TAKE A WHILE TO DO THAT FOR PHASE TWO OF POETRY. 
          THEY COULD COME IN AND DO THE ENGINEERING FOR YOU FOR WALLACE, FOR NORTH KING, FOR SABINE CREEK ROAD FOR A LOT OF YOUR, UM, OFF SYSTEM ROADWAYS THAT YOU NEED. 
          NOT A STATE INTENSIVE SET OF PLANS TO DO YOU NEED JUST SOME CUT SHEETS, A PAVEMENT DESIGN ENOUGH TO GIVE A CONTRACTOR TO BID ON, TO HIRE, TO GO OUT THERE AND CONSTRUCT IT. 
          UM, THEY WOULD BE THERE ON CALL FOR YOU AND WE WOULD PUT A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT ON IT AND THEN YOU COULD USE IT FOR SPECIFIC TASKS AS YOU GO THROUGH WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THIS ALSO THE KIND OF ENGINEERING WORK THAT WOULD PLAN THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE AS THIS AREA IS DEVELOPED? YOU KNOW, WE TALKED THIS MORNING AGAIN TO THE, UH, FREEZE NICHOLS GUYS ABOUT, AS WE ARE GETTING NEW HOUSES BUILT AND MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN, SOME ROADS NEED TO BE EXPANDED. 
          IS THIS THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD LOOK AT THAT ALSO OR NOT? UM, THEY COULD POSSIBLY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHOEVER YOU HIRE TO DO YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          UM, BECAUSE FREESON NICHOLS WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE MY SUGGESTION AND, AND YOUR CONTRACT WITH THEM KEEPS THEM ON BOARD FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, CHANGES TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          WHENEVER YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, THEN THEY COULD WORK WITH FRIESA NICHOLS TO SAY, GIVE YOU AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST. 
          UM, AND THEN AS, AS TASKS ARE DEEMED NECESSARY, THEY COULD GO IN THERE AND GIVE YOU A ABBREVIATED, NOT HU A, A COUNTY NEEDED SET OF PLANS TO HIRE A CON CONTRACTOR TO DO THE JOB WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S, I WOULD THINK I WAS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH THIS. 
          AND, AND THAT IS, I LOOK AT THAT ROAD AND IT'S A LONG STRAIGHT ROAD RIGHT NOW. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          LONG IN CONTEXT. 
          UM, ARE WE ON EDWARDS STILL? WE'RE STILL ON WALLACE. 
          STILL ON WALLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          STILL ON WALLACE AND I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK IF, IF THERE'S IF THOUSAND HOMES BUILT OUT IN THAT AREA OR 10,000 OR 6,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER'S GONNA BE, AT SOME POINT THAT LONG STRAIGHT ROAD SHOULD BE FOUR LANES AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN'S GONNA TELL YOU. 
          BUT AS PART OF AND AND WHAT I'M RIGHT, EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND, BUT I GUESS WHAT I WAS ASKING AND MAYBE YOU ANSWERED AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IS, IS THE ENGINEERING WORK WE WOULD DO HERE, COULD THAT HELP US DETERMINE THAT AT THIS POINT? UH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY NEED, I DON'T THINK FREESON NICHOLS WOULD NEED HELP DETERMINING THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT AND TELL YOU WE FEEL LIKE IN THE FUTURE IT NEEDS TO BE FOUR LANES AND AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, WE'RE GONNA NEED 120 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO WHEN THEY COME IN, YOU NEED TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DEDICATE THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THEIR SIDE FOR FUTURE NEEDS. 
          ONCE THAT'S ALL DONE, THE HOUSES ARE OUT THERE OR ARE PRIOR TO THE HOUSES OR CONJUNCTION WITH WHEN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS DEDICATED AND YOU'RE READY TO DO THE FOUR LANE FACILITY, THEN THIS ENGINEER COULD COME IN AND GIVE YOU AN ABBREVIATED SET OF PLANS TO DO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR ARE WE YES, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE T WOULD COME IN HANDY TOO. 
          DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE ASKING 'EM TO DO? NO, NOT YET. 
          WE'RE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE 
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WERE JUST DISCUSSING A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
          AS DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, IF YOU ASK THEM TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT WILL ALSO HELP BECAUSE THEY CAN GIVE YOU PHASES, UM, WHAT T STOCK DOES. 
          A LOT OF TIMES IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WE SAY, AS A PART OF YOUR CONNECTION TO OUR ROADWAY, WE NEED YOU TO DO LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, THEN THEY BEAR THAT CONSTRUCTION COST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY, ANYTHING ELSE ON POETRY AND WALLACE? I'M GONNA THIS TO ERICA TO YOU. 
          UM, THERE WAS PER SE STREETS, THERE WAS SOME GRANT MONEY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF, IF POETRY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, UM, QUALIFY. 
          BUT THERE IS SOME AND THAT JUST CAME OUT ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          OH NO, WE CAN'T APPLICATION DEADLINE ON THAT HAS LAPSED, BUT WE'LL KEEP A, WE'LL KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND WORK THROUGH, THROUGH COG AS WELL ON SOME OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW MOVING TO PRECINCT FOUR, COMMISSIONER STACY. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LUNCH. 
          UM, YEAH, SO MY PROJECTS, UH, WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT OF 5 48 AND 2 76. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A HILL I'M WILLING TO DIE ON. 
          THIS INTERSECTION IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE AND 2 76 AIN'T IN THE PLANS, UM, OR IN THE STARS. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY DOING A BREAKOUT PROJECT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING ASKED THERE. 
          YES. 
          ON NORTH KING ROAD, THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, MY MAIN CONCERN WAS FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. 
          THAT'S FOR THE COURT TO DECIDE IF WE ACTUALLY CARE TO SPEND THAT MONEY OR NOT SPEND THAT MONEY. 
          BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUING THAT CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD UP TO THE COLLIN COUNTY LINE. 
          LIKE I SAID, WITH COUNTY, WITH COUNTY LINE ROAD AND SORES ROAD, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING SOUTH ON THAT ROAD. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT COUNTY ROAD THAT'S JUST GONNA BE COM IS GONNA GET SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC OR IF WE JUST WANNA WAIT FOR IT TO DETERIORATE AND THEN DO SOMETHING. 
          UM, I WANTED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT TRAFFIC SIGNALS. 
          I KNOW LAUREN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A LOT OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS. 
          IT APPEARS THAT TDO REALLY DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS OTHER THAN GETTING CONTRACTORS TO BUILD THEM. 
          SO THEY DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING ANY MONEY IN TRAFFIC SIGNALS WOULD MATTER. 
          SO THAT KIND OF JUST GOES AWAY. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS, I REALLY WANTED A PRICE ON THE SABINE CREEK ROAD TURN LANE. 
          UM, THAT IS DEFINITELY THE LOWEST OF MY PRIORITIES, BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          IT'S JUST A TURN LANE INTO THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL. 
          WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANNA SPEND THE 600,000 OR NOT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET A PRICE. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY PROJECTS. 
          THE MAIN ONE IS GOING TO BE THE LIGHT AT 5 48 AND 2 76. 
          'CAUSE IT IS AWFUL. 
          UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE CROSS SECTION OF THE SCHOOL AND I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE TURN LANE AT THE OTHER SCHOOL. 
          WE CAN DEBATE THE MERITS OF THAT AT A LATER TIME. 
          I THINK THE PROJECTS AT LEAST MAKE SENSE FOR WHAT I THINK IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          LOOKING AT ALL YOUR PRIORITIES. 
          I THINK YOUR NEXT PHASE AND YOUR NEXT STEP IS TO DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU WANNA GO OUT FOR IN YOUR FIRST ISSUANCE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR BOND MANAGER ABOUT, MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN LOOK AT THIS LIST AND MAKE CUTS OR MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO MOVE TO POSSIBLY A SECOND ISSUANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          WE QUESTION ROBERT. 
          I . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ERICA, DO YOU WANT TO? UH, SURE. 
          COME ON. 
          JUMP, JUMP IN. 
          I, I'VE ASKED ERICA TO GO OVER, UM, ROADS THAT WERE ORPHANED THAT THE COUNTY HAS ON OUR PLAN AND, UH, A LOT OF 'EM PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE ON OUR PLAN THAT ARE DISJOINTED, UH, ORPHANED ROADS. 
          DO WE HAVE, WILL JUST GET A COPY? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          I'LL MAKE, GET A COPY. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH Y'ALL TODAY. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, UH, SINCE WE'RE IN BUDGET SEASON AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING OUR, OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE, UH, FUNDS. 
          SO IT IS GOOD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          NOT SURE IF IT'S ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SECTIONS OF ROAD THAT HAVE, UH, BECOME COUNTY MAINTENANCE OR OUR STILL COUNTY MAINTENANCE, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS ANNEXATION AROUND THEM. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA HOP THROUGH THE LIST REALLY QUICKLY AND UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY'S READY TO GET TO LUNCH TOO, SO I HAVE 'EM GROUPED BY CITY. 
          UH, CAN Y'ALL SEE THAT? YEP. 
          SO THE YELLOW SECTION ON 
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EACH OF THESE SLIDES IS THE PORTION THAT IS COUNTY MAINTENANCE. 
          THIS IS SHENANDOAH LANE, UH, RIGHT OFF OF NORTH GD STREET. 
          UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S SURROUNDED BY CITY OF ROCKWALL, BUT JUST A SMALL PORTION THERE. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THE NEXT ONE, THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OF CORNELIUS DRIVE. 
          JUST KEEP 'EM ALL IN PRECINCT ONE AND I'LL BE HAPPY. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          I KNOW IT DOESN'T, I'M KIDDING. 
          UH, THERE'S REAL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT IN YOUR PRECINCT ACTUALLY. 
          UM, SO CORNELIUS ROAD BETWEEN FM 1141, AND I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S STACH HILL AT 35 49. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A PORTION THAT RUNS BETWEEN CITY OF ROCKWALL, UH, AND CITY OF MCCLENNAN. 
          CHISHOLM OF DOWELL ROAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS IS ROACH ROAD, UH, AGAIN BETWEEN CITY OF ROCKWALL AND CITY OF MCCLENDON CHISHOLM. 
          THIS IS A PORTION OF EDWARDS ROAD, UH, BETWEEN CITY OF MCCLENDON, CITY LIMITS. 
          THERE . 
          THERE IS, YEAH. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY ACTUALLY TWO LITTLE SECTIONS. 
          IF YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A CURVED PIECE RIGHT OFF OF, UH, EAST FM FIVE 50, UH, AND THEN ANOTHER PORTION THAT RUNS, UH, TO FM, SOUTH FM 5 48. 
          AND THIS ONE IS CONNIE LANE. 
          NOW IS THIS, IS IS IS THIS ROCKWALL COUNTY THOUGH? YES, MA'AM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO THIS IS OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          ALL THESE ARE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE COMING UP. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THIS ONE IS BETWEEN KAUFMAN AND ROCKWALL. 
          OKAY, I SEE. 
          BUT, BUT I'M ONLY SHOWING YOU THE PORTION THAT RUNS TO MAN ROAD, WHERE MAN ROAD STARTS, UM, OF SOUTH SMITH ROAD. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS ADJACENT TO MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, POLAND ROAD. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE TO THE EAST, THE CITY OF MCLENNAN CHM ANNEXED PORTIONS OF THE ROAD WHERE THE ROAD IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK. 
          BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS PORTION, UH, WAS, WAS NOT INCLUDED. 
          INTERESTING. 
          THIS ONE IS ADJACENT TO CITY OF HEATH, UM, MCDONALD ROAD, A SMALL PORTION THAT RUNS TO STEVENS ROAD. 
          NOPE, YOU CAN'T GO TO, I'M KIDDING. 
          SO SORRY. 
          UH, THIS IS PRAIRIE VIEW LANE. 
          THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS HERE THAT ARE, UH, ADJACENT TO CITY OF F. 
          CAN CAN CAN YOU STOP FOR JUST A SECOND? SURE. 
          ON THIS SLIDE COURT, THIS IS WHERE THE KING ROAD SECTION THAT GOES UP TO COLLIN COUNTY. 
          AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CITY OF FATE IS, THAT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO JUST SO YOU NOW HAVE A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THAT PROJECT IS, THAT'S GOING FROM WHERE THE CITY OF FATE LINE IS UP TO COLLIN COUNTY, WHICH IS COUNTY LINE ROAD 9, 7, 9. 
          ANYWAYS, JUST RATS. 
          NO THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER DEPICTION ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS ONE, UH, THAT PROPERTY HE'S TALKING ABOUT AT THE CORNER OF 5 52 AND NORTH KING IS, IS THE HIGH SCHOOL FUTURE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT A, A SMALL PORTION THERE OF NORTH KING, UM, THAT IS, IS STILL COUNTY MAINTENANCE. 
          THIS IS A, A VERY SMALL PORTION OF BLACKLAND ROAD. 
          UM, AGAIN, SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY CITY OF FATE. 
          TWO SMALL SECTIONS OF EAST LINDA LANE, AGAIN ADJACENT TO CITY OF FATE. 
          HAVE YOU DRIVEN LINDA LANE? I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE PUT, PUT THAT ON YOUR TO-DO LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU . 
          UH, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          THAT ENTIRE YELLOW SECTION IS NORTH COUNTY LINE ROAD. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S, I DON'T MEAN TO, I INTERRUPT YOU AGAIN, BUT I KNOW NO ONE DRIVES MY PRECINCT. 
          THERE'S SORES ROAD THAT'S TURNING INTO A PAVEMENT THAT CONNECTS TO 66. 
          THERE'S COUNTY LINE ROAD THAT BECOMES 9 7 9. 
          THAT TAKES YOU TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          CAN WE GET AHEAD OF THAT AT ALL? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT ROYCE CITY IS GONNA GO TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL ANYWAYS, 
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AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE ROADS THAT I WANTED TO PRESENT TO Y'ALL TODAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE ORPHAN PIECES OF ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANNEXED BY EITHER CITY AND THEY'RE JUST, SOME OF 'EM ARE JUST AN ISLAND OUT THERE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING ANNUALLY. 
          UM, SO BUT YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. 
          YOU'RE, THIS IS JUST  THIS WAS REALLY A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR Y ALL IN THE, FOR WORKSHOP IN THE NINETIES, THIS COUNTY AND I HAVE ALL THOSE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS ON MY COMPUTER. 
          THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS WITH ALL THE CITIES WHERE WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHO MAINTAINS WHAT ROADS WITHOUT REALLY DETERMINING THE ROAD. 
          SO INSTEAD OF SAYING CITY OF FATE, YOU GET BLACK LAND ROAD, WE WOULD SAY CITY OF FATE, WILL YOU MAINTAIN BLACK LAND ROAD AND THEN WE'LL MAINTAIN PRAIRIE SO THAT WE HAVE ONE ROAD AND THEN THEY HAVE ONE ROAD. 
          SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE COULD THINK ABOUT ON SOME OF THESE ORPHAN ROADS IS, IS NOT TO GET INTO WHO OWNS THE ROAD, GET INTO WHO MAINTAINS THE ROAD AND KEEP THE ROAD OWNERSHIP. 
          WHERE IT IS IS THE IL THE ILAS, ARE THEY STILL ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE? OH, NO, NO, THEY'RE GONE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THEY, THEY'VE EXPIRED. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THEY DID IT, THE COUNTY DID A HUGE MAINTENANCE THING WITH ALL THESE CITIES IN THE NINETIES WHERE THEY CREATED A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          THEY PAID CITIES TO MAINTAIN COUNTY ROADS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE CAN THINK ABOUT ON THESE ORPHAN ROADS TO HELP OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE CREW FOCUS IN ON WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN DO. 
          AND, AND, AND THEN, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE 500 FEET OF BLACK LAND ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN THE CITY OF FATE, IT MIGHT MAKE A GOOD TIME TO GO, HEY, WILL YOU MAINTAIN THAT? AND THEN WE'LL TAKE LINDA LANE OR WE'LL TAKE PRAYER REVIEW OR, OR SOMETHING. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I HAD TO ASK ERICA TO DO THIS JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE AND START THE CONVERSATION. 
          AND IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY GENIUSES TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING, THE REASON I WANNA START THE CONVERSATION. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU ERICA. 
          YEAH. 
          FI FI FIRE AWAY. 
          BE, BE QUICK. 
          I KNOW IT'S, UH, I KNOW I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER LTY ABOUT JONES AND I ONLY MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S DIRT, UH, 2 5 48 AND IT'S A NORTH SOUTH, BUT ALSO FOR SCHOOL BUSES. 
          UM, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET DOWN THERE TO PICK UP KIDS ON JONES. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO CUT DOWN HOW TO GET TO 5 48. 
          SO I, I HAVEN'T REALLY INTERJECTED THAT, BUT IT'S A WAY JONES, IT'S A SMALL PORTION TO GET PAVED 'CAUSE IT'S DIRT RIGHT NOW, AND WHEN IT RAINS IT BECOMES MUD BASICALLY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY FROM A, FROM A DISTRICT ISD STANDPOINT. 
          'CAUSE I DO HAVE GRANDKIDS THAT ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GET A BUS DOWN THERE TO PICK 'EM UP, TO TAKE 'EM TO SCHOOL. 
          SO ANYWAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO AT 1208 WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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