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IT IS ONE O'CLOCK I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER OUR SPECIAL MEETING COMMISSIONER'S COURT, AUGUST 27TH.
[A) INVOCATION]
COMMISSIONER M**K TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER ALANA TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.PLEASE STAND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY, AS ALWAYS, TO GIVE YOU THE HONOR AND THE PRAISE.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING A PEACE GIVER.
I WANT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS WATCHING OUR WORLD FROM ABOVE, AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE PEACE THAT YOU GIVE US.
BUT PLEASE BE WITH THE FAMILY THAT LOST THE BABY YESTERDAY AS YOU WELCOME THAT BABY INTO YOUR ARMS. BUT GIVE THAT FAMILY THE PEACE.
NOW, GUIDE US AS A COURT WITH OUR, IN, WITH OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR ACTIONS SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH OUR WORK AND OUR GOALS FOR THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.
BLESS THESE EFFORTS SO THAT WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, AND WE ARE ALWAYS DISPLAYING YOUR CHARACTER AS WE DO THAT.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE COURAGEOUS MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE CHOSEN DIFFICULT, DANGEROUS JOBS TO PROTECT US AND PRESERVE OUR FREEDOMS. I KNOW THAT THEY MAKE SACRIFICES, THEIR FAMILIES MAKE SACRIFICES, AND I THANK YOU FOR THEM AGAIN.
HELP US WITH THIS MEETING TO HAVE GRATITUDE AND HELP US TO DISPLAY WHAT'S CORRECT AND RIGHT, AND MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR OUR, OUR CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.
AND I WANNA PRAY ALL OF THIS IN YOUR LOVING NAME.
I PLEDGE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG, IP PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER, UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[1. PUBLIC FORUM]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.THE PUBLIC FORUM IS PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
NO ONE'S SIGNED UP, BUT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD.
NOW, CONSTABLE, YOU WANNA COME, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, UH, I WANTED TO COME BACK WITH YOU TODAY, AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST TIME UP HERE, UH, FOR THIS YEAR.
ANYWAY, UH, GOOD OF SEEING ALL Y'ALL.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOU DO.
UH, I'M COMING TO YOU AGAIN FOR THIS, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'D, OKAY.
THIS PART-TIME DEPUTY, UH, THIS DEPUTY, UM, IF WE GET IT, UH, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN AGAIN.
UH, IF THEY, THIS PERSON WILL HELP ALL THE PRECINCTS WHEN THEY GET BEHIND.
UH, ONE TO STRESS THAT, UH, SO THE PART-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE, UH, ASSUMING AN AVERAGE OF 27 HOURS PER WEEK, I GOT THIS FROM CAMMY HR DIRECTOR.
UH, 27 HOURS PER WEEK AT $35 AN HOUR WOULD COST $49,140 A YEAR.
ONCE WE INCLUDE WORKMAN'S COMP, FICA RETIREMENT, THE LOADED TOTAL AMOUNT IS 58,977.
UH, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THE DEPUTY, UH, GET 'EM A VEST, UH, COMPUTER, A FEW OFFICE THINGS, AND A UNIFORM AND BADGE.
AND THE TOTAL ON THAT WOULD BE AROUND 64,677 PER YEAR.
UM, HERE AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, I, THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO YOU, WE WERE TALKING, I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT FUND 51.
NOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TALK ABOUT THAT FUND, BUT I JUST TRY TO DO THE BEST THING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY TO GET THIS DONE.
UH, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE THE ONES THAT DECIDE ALL THAT, BUT, UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I COULD ANSWER? ANY QUESTIONS FOR CONSTABLE PARKS? ALL RIGHT.
CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS NOW? WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
UH, IT'S AN, WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY NECESSARILY SUPPOSED TO, BUT HE IS ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND THEN WE CAN, WHEN WE GET INTO OUR BUDGET, THEN WE CAN, WE NEED THIS PRETTY BAD BECAUSE OF ALL THESE EVICTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAID IT AGAIN, UH, THIS PERSON WILL, ONCE I GET MY STUFF DONE, WE'RE GONNA HELP ALL OF THEM.
AND, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, SEEING NO ONE.
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TWO, PUBLIC HEARING OF GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.SEEING NO NEED FOR A GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON GRIEVANCE RELATED TO SALARY SLASH PAY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
SEEING THAT THERE'S NO GRIEVANCE FILED, NO GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, AND DON'T NEED TO ACT ON SALARY SLASH PAY OF A GRIEVANCE.
[4. Discuss/ Act on the FY2026 1st draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) ]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE FY 2026 FIRST DRAFT BUDGET, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY WAS THE FIRST, FIRST TO DRAW
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE MY, MY GOAL INITIALLY IS TO JUST REALLY TRY TO GET US TO MEMORIALIZE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL, UH, ARE AG, UH, AGREEABLE.
THAT WAY WE CAN GET IT MOVED OFF OF THIS SHEET AND INTO ANOTHER DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO, IF IT, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, FRANK, 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA MAKE A SERIES OF MOTIONS BASICALLY FOLLOWING THIS SHEET.
'CAUSE THESE HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDATIONS, AND, AND THIS SHEET IS THE SHEET PREPARED BY MELISSA AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF, UH, CORRECT.
AND, AND I'LL DO A QUICK RESET.
UM, IS THAT, WE GOT A COPY OF THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, AND THEN ALL OF US MADE COMMENTS.
NONE OF THOSE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN VOTED ON.
IT'S JUST THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE DID THE MATH ON WHAT THOSE COMMENTS CREATED,
SO WHAT MY ATTEMPT IS, IS TO TRY TO GET US TO AT LEAST MOVE PAST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE WERE ALL AGREEABLE ON, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO ANOTHER DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
UH, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE ASTERISK NEXT TO THAT.
I THOUGHT WE VOTED ON CONSTABLE PAY.
AND, AND I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT KIND OF AS A COMMENT.
I, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS.
SO I WAS JUST GOING TO ATTEMPT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT MELISSA AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS, IS KIND OF CLEAR.
UM, AND THAT WE CAN KIND OF TAKE THEM OFF THE LIST OF, OF THINGS THAT WE'RE, UH, THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, A REDUCED TRAINING OF $3,000.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY, I MEAN, PROBABLY, I MEAN, IT MIGHT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO VOTE ON THAT, BUT I THINK WE DID A TALK, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE CPR TRAINING IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND IT WAS IN THE BUDGET AT 6,000 AND THEY WANNA REDUCE TO TO, TO 3000.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WANNA DO THIS, BUT I WOULD TRY TO AT LEAST, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST APPROVE THE REDUCTION OF TRAINING FROM 6,000 TO 3000.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMENTS.
SO YOU'RE, ARE YOU THINKING THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT? WELL, I, I'M A TIME THERE.
THERE'S, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, I GUESS ARE WE BINDING OURSELVES? NO, WE'RE, UNTIL WE VOTE AND APPROVE THE BUDGET, NO, WE ARE NOT.
THIS, THIS IS, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY'S TRYING TO GET US TO THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE BUDGET, SO THEN WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF, UH, INDICATIONS OF INTENT.
YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY OF PUTTING IT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
AND WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE TRAINING BY $3,000.
I DO HAVE A ANOTHER COMMENT THOUGH ON THAT BEFORE YOU GO TO YOUR NEXT ITEM.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ITEM OR LINE ITEM.
AND FOR ANYONE WITH THE BUDGET, THIS IS PAGES THREE AND FOUR.
THAT WAS LINE ITEM, UM, 400 DASH 500.
BUT I THOUGHT ON 400 DASH 5 97, WE WERE ALSO TAKING AWAY $3,000 THERE.
THAT'S WHAT MY NOTES SHOWED ANYWAY.
IS THAT, THAT WAS A, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
I, I WITHDRAW THAT COMMENT BEFORE SOMEONE EMBARRASSES ME.
AND, AND SO, UM, THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET ALL THE DISTRICT COURT REPORTERS UP BASED UPON THE COURT ORDER THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE COURT YESTERDAY.
THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE THREE ITEMS. SO THIS WOULD BE THE BAILIFFS, THE AUDITOR, AND THE CONSTABLES.
SO IT WOULD BE THE BAILIFF, THE AUDITOR, NOT THE JUVENILE, NOT THE JUVENILE BOARD.
DO YOU WANT ME TO CITE THE NUMBERS? UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T YEAH, WOULDN'T MIND.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A REDUCTION.
UM, FOR THE COURT REPORTERS, IT IS GOING TO BE LINE THREE, WHICH IS A REDUCTION FOR THE
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BAILIFFS.IT'S GOING TO BE LINE FOUR, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
IT IS GOING TO THEN TURN AROUND AND BE LINE 12, WHICH IS THE, THE BAILIFF SALARIES.
COURT ORDER IS GOING TO THEN TURN AROUND AND BE LINE 14, WHICH IS THE SALARY COURT ORDER.
IT'S GONNA BE LINE 15, WHICH IS THE BAILIFF COURT ORDER.
IT'S GONNA BE LINE 16, WHICH IS THE COURT REPORTER COURT ORDER.
IT'S GONNA BE LINE 17, WHICH IS THE BAILIFF SALARY COURT ORDER.
IT'S GONNA BE LINE 19, WHICH IS THE BAILIFF SALARY COURT ORDER IS GONNA BE LINE 21, WHICH IS A BAILIFF SALARY COURT ORDER.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IT IS GONNA BE LINE 25, WHICH IS THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE COURT ORDER, WHICH I KNOW IS A LOT.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL DONE THROUGH COURT ORDERS.
SO I'D MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THOSE SINCE THE COURT APPROVED THE COURT ORDERS, OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGED THE COURT ORDERS IN YESTERDAY'S COURT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY TO APPROVE ESSENTIALLY THE, WHAT THE DISTRICT JUDGES HAVE, HAVE SUBMITTED TO US.
UM, I'LL SECOND, GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
SO THAT TAKES US BACK UP TO LINE ITEM FIVE, I BELIEVE.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? WELL, THIS IS THE ONE THAT, AND I DIDN'T BRING MY, MY LAST, UM, MEETING NOTES, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT, AGAIN, IT CAME FROM THE, THE JUDGES, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, ARE ON THE BOARD, THE JUVENILE BOARD.
AND THIS WAS A, UM, CAN YOU, DO YOU, IF THIS HAS TO DO WITH A SALARY, UM, THAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE JUVENILE BOARD AND WHAT THEY APPROVE, WHICH INCLUDES A 4% INCREASE.
AND I'M ON THAT BOARD, BUT I, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE SALARY THAT RIGHT.
AND THEN WE'RE REDUCING THAT 4% THAT WE HAD WITHIN GENERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND WE'VE MOVED IT OVER TO JUVENILE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, THAT, 'CAUSE THAT ALSO WAS DONE BY THE JUDGES AS WELL.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR LINE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH, AND, AND THAT CORRELATES TO LINE 42 AS WELL MM-HMM
BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING THE MONEY OVER TO MM-HMM
THE, THE JUVENILE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT'S JUST, UH, UH, SIDEWAYS MANEUVER IS REALLY WHAT IT'S OKAY.
IT CHANGED NOTHING IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE MELISSA HAD ALREADY BUDGETED THE 4% IN THE PERFORMANCE PAY LINE FOR EACH OF THOSE EMPLOYEES.
SO, BUT THE ACTION IS WHAT WE'RE THE MONEY MOVEMENT ACTION IS WHAT'S BEING HANDLED ON THIS ONE.
SO WHO MADE THE MOTION? I DID DID THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
SO, AND THEN MY QUESTION COMES TO CONSTABLES.
WE DID VOTE TO RAISE THE CONSTABLE PAY, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED ANY, DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED ANY ACTION ON THAT TO DIRECT Y'ALL TO ANOTHER DRAFT OF THE BUDGET? SO IT, I MEAN, TO, TO STAY CONSISTENT? WE, WE WOULD, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THAT.
DEDUCT AND APPROVE THE, THE ADS.
AND, OKAY, SO, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT I'LL DO, JUDGE, IS I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE REDUCTION IN PERFORMANCE LINE DUE TO CONSTABLES, WHICH IS GONNA BE ITEM NUMBER SIX.
AND THAT WE ALSO APPROVE, UH, ITEM 30, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF CONSTABLE SALARY FOR ONE, FOR CONSTABLE 1 31, WHICH IS AN INCREASE GIVEN THAT 29 AND 30.
OR DID THEY GIVE US A NEW LIST? MINE SAYS 29 AND 30.
WELL, THEN I'LL DO CONSTABLE ONE PAY.
MELISSA, I'VE GOT MAYBE YOUR LIST HERE.
YEAH, LET ME GIVE YOU ANOTHER LIST.
LAUREN CONSTABLE ONE PAY CONSTABLE TWO PAY CONSTABLE THREE PAY AND CONSTABLE FOUR PAY.
DO YOU HAVE IT? I SEE THE LIST YOU'RE WORKING OFF OF.
DO YOU, DO YOU NEED ANOTHER ONE? NOPE, I GOT IT HERE.
I HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE, IF YOU'LL REGISTERING YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND THEN IT'S INCREASING MY BOND TO $560.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCREASE MY BOND.
GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
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UH, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS GO TOGETHER.SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THE SAN AGREEMENT FOR $155,188 AND THEN ADD A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, UM, IN ITS PLACE FOR $14,000.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
AND THEN, UM, IF, IF IT PLEASES THE COURT, I WOULD LIKE TO SKIP NUMBER 11.
I HAVE MORE THINGS TO SAY ON THAT.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW.
ONE INCREASE BOND OF $310 AND MAKE A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.
AND JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE FOUR 39TH LAPTOP FOR $1,500, WHICH IS GONNA BE ITEM 18 ON MY LIST.
I HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.
AND, UM, I'M GOING TO SKIP, UH, ADDING A PERSONNEL AND I'M GOING TO MOVE TO, UH, ITEM 22, WHICH IS THE INCREASED BOND FOR COUNTY COURT OF LAW.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SKIP AN ADDITION OF PERSONNEL AND I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE REMOVE THE Y DRIVE, UM, AS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN IT, FIGURED OUT HOW TO PURCHASE THAT NOW, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A REDUCTION OF $15,000.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.
AND THEN 26 IS, IS A, UH, UH, IS IS A, UM, UM, WHATCHAMACALLIT IS A PERSONNEL THING.
SO I'M PURPOSELY SKIPPING THAT.
AND THEN THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT MOVING THE ACCESS CONTROL FROM THE JAIL TO THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET, IT JUST MOVES IT FROM ONE BUDGET LINE TO THE OTHER.
AND THEN ALSO NUMBER 36, WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY MOVING THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FROM THE JAIL TO OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THAT.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ANA, YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND THEN JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL DISHWASHER FOR $84,000, BUT ADD THE LEASE FOR $7,800 INTO THE BUDGET.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
I AM GOING TO SKIP ITEM NUMBER 32 FOR NOW.
I WAS JUST GONNA GET TO THE PERSONNEL DISCUSSIONS IN A SECOND.
AND THEN THAT'S GIS PERSONNEL.
UM, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE DOWN TO NUMBER 41 AND APPROVE THAT WE DO $25,000 TO CASA.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STA.
IS THAT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GANA? CAN I HAVE A QUESTION ON IT? SURE.
UM, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? WHAT, WHAT THIS WAS, WHAT THIS IS FOR? I COULD GO BACK AND LOOK IN MY NOTES, BUT WE'RE GOING SO FAST.
I I'VE GOT IT SOMEWHERE AND I CAN'T, 40 OR 50,000 IS WHAT'S COMING TO MY MIND.
UM, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE INCREASING IT THEN FROM WHAT WE TYP TYPICALLY GET GIVEN 'EM? NO, NO, NO, NO.
NO, IT WAS NOT INCLUDED, UH, IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
CAN WE HOLD OFF ON THAT THEN IF WE CAN'T REMEMBER? NO, NO, NO.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
I'M GONNA FIND THE HEALTH AND WELFARE PAGE.
YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE THE HEALTH AND WELFARE IS TOP OF YOUR HEAD? 33.
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OKAY.SO CASA GOT 35,000 IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND NONE IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
SO, UH, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO ADD IT BACK AT 25,000.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THEY DID NOT SEND THE LETTER TO US, SO WE LEFT THEM OUT.
AND THEN WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP TO THE JUDGE, UH, HE SAID HE HAD RECEIVED THE LETTER AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT CAME WITH THE JUDGE AND US.
I I ACCEPT THE COLLECTIVE MEMORY.
I, I, MELISSA'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANY MEMORY FOR BOTH OF US, I THINK.
SO WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY AND THE SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEWANA.
YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT LEADS US, THEY GO TRANSFER.
UH, I, UH, I WANNA URGE THE COURT THAT KEEPING OUR INSURANCE TRUST FUND 180 5 HEALTHY IS OF SUPER IMPORTANCE.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT TRANSFER.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TRANSFER TO FUND 180 5 FOR $200,000.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, I'LL GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTI.
WHERE IS THAT TRANSFERRING FROM? THE GENERAL FUND? FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT? WE'RE DOING THAT THIS EARLY.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST IN THE BUDGET.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DOING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH.
I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THIS, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA HOLD OFF ON BECAUSE YOU JUST TRANSFERRED 500,000 IN FY 25.
I KNOW THIS FUND NEEDS IT, BUT UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR CONTINGENCY IS, YOU MAY WANT TO, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M, UH, BUT I'M NOT SITTING UP THERE.
AND, AND IT CAN BE VOTED DOWN.
I'M JUST MAKING A MOTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT THING AND I'M WILLING TO, TO TAKE THE VOTE AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION IF I CAN'T, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, RIGHT? I SECOND SURE.
SO WHY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, JOHN, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS JUST SAYING, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED AT LEAST 200,000, SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE GOT ROOM.
THAT THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY INTENTION.
AND IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT, LISA, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WILL NEED THAT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED AT LEAST THIS MUCH.
IT'S, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO IT, IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANNA HOLD OFF ON.
I THINK I'M, YOU CAN CHANGE IT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK FORWARD TO WHERE WE WILL BE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, YOU ANTICIPATE WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST 200,000.
I, I BELIEVE I, UH, THE LAST TIME WE ALL SPOKE ABOUT, OR NOT US, BUT THE FINANCE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE, WE WERE A MILLION DOLLAR SHY IN THAT, UH, 180 5, WHICH IS YOUR INSURANCE TRUST.
THE, UH, TREASURER HAD SAID THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE MORE DEPOSITS MADE SO THAT HE DID NOT FEEL LIKE YOU WERE ADDING $1 MILLION SHORTAGE.
SO THEN THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO PUT 500,000 FROM FY 25 IN THERE TO SHORE YOU UP.
NOW, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO NEED 200,000 OR 500,000 NEXT YEAR, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT ORDINARILY IN THE PAST, THE COUNTY HAS ALWAYS PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT.
WHETHER YOU WANNA DO IT THIS EARLY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IS ALL I'M YES.
WELL, AND THE REASON, THE REASON, AND THAT I'M THINKING THAT WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY IS SUGGESTING IS A GOOD IDEA IS THAT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, PEOPLE CLAMORING FOR MONEY, THEN WE STILL GOT ISSUES AND WE GOTTA SET UP.
BUT WE KNOW IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WE WILL NEED MONEY IN THAT TRUST NEXT YEAR.
SO MY THOUGHT IS LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE AT LEAST 200,000 AND WE MAY END UP NEEDING MORE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED A LEASE THIS, BECAUSE WE, IF WE WERE CLOSE A LITTLE BIT SHORT LAST TIME AND DIDN'T QUITE FEEL IT, WE'LL NEED IT.
SO, AND I JUST, THIS WAY WE KNOW THAT WON'T GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE AT LEAST THIS MUCH AND WE CAN ALWAYS PUT MORE IN LATER.
AND, AND JUST TO REMIND THE COURT, THIS IS CREATING A DRAFT THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA GET SEVERAL
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CUTS AT.SO IF WE PUT IT AWAY AND IT'S, AND, AND THE COURT DOESN'T FEEL THAT IT'S GOOD, BUT FI FILE IT AWAY IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THAT IT'S THERE.
BUT, BUT MY GOAL, MY GOAL, AND THE REASON I'M DOING IT EARLY IS FOR EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER LTY SAID IS THAT, IS THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED THE MONEY.
SO IT'S BEST TO JUST PUT IT THERE AND THEN, AND THEN WORK AROUND WHERE, WHERE THAT LEAVES US, IS MY, THAT'S MY OPINION.
AND I, I JUST LOOKED, UM, COMMISSIONER LTI.
SO IN 2022 THEY DID 600,000, UM, 23 WAS 175,000, UM, 24 WAS 3 54, 3 50 4,500 NET.
AND, UM, NOTHING FOR THIS YEAR.
WE JUST DID IT OUTTA CONTINGENCY.
IT JUST CAME OUTTA CONTINGENCY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT SHOWING UP.
SO, WELL, AND, AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY IT TO YOU, IT, THE WAY I DID IT, PROBABLY, IT'S VERY PRUDENT.
IT'S THE BEST USE OF YOUR MONEY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THE OFFSET TO CONTINGENCY THAT I'M SAYING YOU DON'T, YOU MAY NOT NEED TO DO THIS SO EARLY, IS THAT IT'S, IT'S COMING OUTTA THE SAME POT AS CONTINGENCY.
SO YOU'RE EITHER PUTTING IT HERE OR THERE.
AND, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THERE MAY BE SOME PRESSURE TO SAY, MAKING UP A NUMBER HERE, WHY DO WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR CONTINGENCY? THAT'S TOO MUCH.
AND WE'RE AT LEAST GONNA TAKE THIS OUT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED THIS.
AND THEN, THEN MY EXAMPLE, THEN WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT WHY DO WE HAVE AN 800,000 AND THERE'S, THAT'S NOT AS MUCH AND WE MIGHT, IT'LL AFFECT OUR THINKING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR YEAH, I, I I DO AS WELL.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN ARGUE OVER RAISES AND, AND, UH, BUT I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR INSURANCE AND OUR RETIREMENT SOLID.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.
WE WILL MOVE THE MONEY OVER PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
SO, UM, THAT'S GONNA TAKE US TO OUR SPECIAL FUNDS, UH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE, UH, THE, PROBABLY THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA DO FOR RIGHT NOW ON, ON THIS BEFORE I, UH, KIND OF, YEAH, THIS WILL BE THE LAST ONE AS FAR AS THIS ROUND, IS I JUST WANNA GO AHEAD AND THEN FUND 20, JUST INCREASE THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TO 25,000.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND IF I MAY, I JUST, I THINK WE HAD, UM, THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR, WE TERMINATED A CONTRACT FOR THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR IN OUR LAST COURT.
I BELIEVE HE SAID THE NUMBER OF THAT WAS ABOUT 54,000.
SO I JUST WANT THE AUDITOR, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT WHEN WE LEAVE THIS MEETING, THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE THAT DEDUCTION, UM, ACCOUNTED FOR SINCE I THINK WE CLEANED UP A LOT OF YOUR LIST.
AND THEN THE, I GAVE THIS TO MELISSA ALREADY, BUT HERE IS AN EMAIL FROM ERICA, UH, AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND I JUST WANT US TO KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ADJUSTMENT IN THEIR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, UM, IN THE GOOD THEY'RE COMING DOWN.
UM, AND SO I HAD A, UH, A SIDE CONVERSATION WITH HER AND SHE SAID, OH NO, I THINK THAT THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AREN'T RIGHT.
I THINK WE COULD SAVE SOME MONEY AND WE CAN REWORK THEM.
SO I JUST DID A REALLY QUICK SNAPSHOT AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, LIKE I SAID, I ALREADY GAVE IT TO MELISSA AND IT'LL JUST SHOW UP IN A REVISION SHEET.
UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAVE A TON OF MONEY, BUT, UH, AGAIN, IF WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND, LET'S JUST BUDGET IT CORRECTLY.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE A SAVINGS OF MAYBE $3,000 A YEAR, WHICH IS, WHICH ISN'T INSIGNIFICANT.
UM, SO THE, UM, THE GIS ONLINE CREATOR, THERE'S THREE LICENSES THERE.
AND DO WE, I KNOW ERICA WOULD NEED ONE AND I KNOW THE GIS, UM, COORDINATOR OR THAT POSITION WOULD NEED ONE.
WHAT'S THE THIRD ONE FOR? UM, AGAIN, THIS, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAD IT AT ALMOST $16,000 AND SHE REDUCED IT DOWN.
SO, AND, AND I KNOW THAT SHE DID A REALLY GOOD EVALUATION OF IT.
SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO GO ASK HER, I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR HER.
ALL I ASKED HER TO DO, UM, IN GETTING THIS IS I SAID, HEY, WE HAD A SIDE CONVERSATION.
YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO LOWER YOUR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, I NEED THAT AMOUNT.
AND THEN SHE SENT ME THIS EMAIL.
I WILL SAY ERICA DID MENTION SHE PLANNED ON RETURNING.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, SHE SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY.
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OKAY.UM, THEN I WANNA DO THE, THE FIRST PERSONNEL THING, AND THAT IS I WANT TO DO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT REDUCTION IN PERSONNEL.
UM, SO JUDGE, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, ON, UH, ITEM 29 THAT WE REDUCE, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
WHERE DOES IT SAY, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
I WANT TO GET THE POSITION CORRECT.
YEAH, WE'RE, I WANT TO ELIMINATE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST.
UM, AND ALL OF, UH, THE MONEY SAVINGS THAT COMES WITH IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A $39,000 ON ITEM 29.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IN FUND 25, IT'S GONNA BE A REDUCTION OF 83 582.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, I'LL SECOND IT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FOUR TO ONE.
DO WE WANT TO JUMP BACK UP TO LEGAL SERVICES? WELL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OUR ESTIMATE YET, DO WE, LAUREN? UM, I GOT AN ESTIMATE FROM DANIEL FOR THE NORMAL, WHAT I WOULD CALL CORPORATE REPRESENTATION.
UM, AND HE, HE GAVE ME, HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT $300,000 WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LINE ITEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE, AND I'VE REQUESTED IS FROM CHRIS BOWERS, A PROJECTION ON THE TWO LAWSUITS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN AND WHAT THAT'LL COST US.
SO, WELL, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH IN THE SAME LINE ITEM.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, BUT I KNOW IN THE LINE ITEM THAT WAS THERE, 300,000 WAS THE NUMBER WE HAD BUDGETED, I THINK.
AND SO THAT'S, I, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ADEQUATE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FUNDS FOR THE TWO LAWSUITS THAT WERE, WHERE THAT WERE DEVELOPERS HAVE SUED US.
SO, UM, IN MY MIND AND, AND TELL ME AGAIN, WE CAN WAIT ON THE INFORMATION FROM CHRIS BOWERS, BUT IN MY MIND, 400 IS A PRETTY ACCURATE NUMBER.
SO WE'VE SPENT ROUGHLY THREE 50 THIS YEAR, AND 50 OF THAT GOES TO OUR COLLATERAL ELECTIONS LAWSUIT THAT WE PREPAID.
SO IT WON'T, WON'T BE THIS YEAR.
WE WON'T SPEND THAT AGAIN, BUT WE WILL SPEND I THINK, AN ADDITIONAL 50.
SO I, I THINK FOUR GETS ME TO A NUMBER I THINK WE'RE SAFE AT.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR, UH, OR DO YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION? I, I, I PROBABLY WANT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I LOCK IT IN.
I, I WOULD NORMALLY THINK THAT A HUNDRED WOULD GO REAL FAST IN THIS, BUT I, I WOULD, WE GOTTA GET AN ESTIMATE FROM CHRIS AND WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS, I THINK I'M GONNA WAIT TO SAY ANYTHING FURTHER.
I, I WOULD PREFER TO JUST HOLD OFF ON THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
AND CAN, WHAT ARE WE HOLDING OFF FOR? CAN WE PUT THIS IN THE, WE CAN PUT THIS INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR OUR NEXT, NEXT YEAH.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA GIVE AWAY ANY LEGAL COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
ANY LEGAL, UH, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
HE JUST SAID, BUT I, I, THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK I'M PREPARED TO, TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN GIVE THE ESTIMATE FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM DANIEL RAY.
AND THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE NUMBER.
FRANK, CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE CAN'T DO THAT TODAY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR WE LEGAL, WE WE COULD, BUT I WOULD WANT OUR LAWYERS HERE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
UM, NO, WE, WE WOULD DO IT MAYBE OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN ALONG THAT EXACT SAME VEIN, UM, ON THE PHONE LICENSE FOR THE 10,000, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON THAT YET.
UM, THAT IS ADDING 50 LICENSES, UM, INTO OUR PHONE PLAN.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION, UH, WITH, UH, THE AUDITOR AND, AND THE IT AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT NUMBER SHOULD KIND OF LAND.
WE, WE KNOW THAT IT IS 10,000 IS KIND OF THE MOST, BUT, UM, MAYBE WE JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE IT AT 10,000 AND THEN JUST USE WHAT WE NEED TO USE.
BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WE NEED 50, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE
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A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO BUY.UM, AND I WAS THINKING MAYBE IF WE CLEARED THE ERROR ON SOME OF THE PERSONNEL THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THAT LANDS.
SO I'D LIKE TO JUST KEEP THAT 10,000 KIND OF ALONE, KIND OF LIKE LEGAL, LEGAL EXPENSES.
JUST GIVE US A, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND, AND KIND OF MOVE PAST SOME OF THESE OTHER BIG ITEMS BECAUSE IT IS 10,000 SO WE COULD DO IT AND THEN ONLY BUY WHAT WE NEED KIND OF THING.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT THE COURT TO KNOW THAT IT IS 50 LICENSES IS WHAT THAT QUOTE IS FOR, UM, 50 ADDITIONAL PHONE LICENSES.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ALL 50, MAYBE WE NEED 25 OR MAYBE WE DO NEED ALL 50 AND MAYBE IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD JUST TO BUY THEM ALL.
I JUST GOTTA BE HONEST, MY BRAIN WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS IN THE BUDGET I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, I JUST HAVEN'T SPENT ANY TIME TRYING TO PROCESS THIS IN ANY MORE THAN JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE NUMBER SHOWED UP IN THE REVISION SHEET.
SO WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, SO I'M, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I DIDN'T VERIFY ANYTHING WITH, UM, BRIAN WITH IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD A CONVERSATION AND HOW HE CAME UP WITH THIS OR NOT.
WELL, HE, HE, I, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
HE JUST SAID HE GOT A QUOTE FOR 50.
I, I, I MEAN, I MEAN IT'S JUST KIND OF A LOGICAL NUMBER.
WE ADD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
WE COULD STILL BE ON THE PHONE SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH WIGGLE ROOM.
I, LIKE I SAID, I JUST HAVEN'T, I THINK CAM, I THINK CAMIE HAS SOMETHING SHE CAN ADD.
I ASKED HIM IF 50 WAS THE MINIMUM WE CAN PURCHASE.
WE HAVE WIGGLE ROOM AND THAT WE CAN PURCHASE THEM ONE AT A TIME AS NEEDED.
SO, YEAH, SO I JUST, SO ANYWAYS, I I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACK ON THAT AND JUST NOT DEAL WITH THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BIGGER FISH TO FRY.
THE BUDGET, LOGICAL FIRST STEP IS FIGURE OUT HOW MANY WE ACTUALLY NEED.
THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE JUDGE, UM, IS GOING TO BE, I HAD IT, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE NUMBER 38, WHICH IS GONNA BE REMOVED.
THE JIS COORDINATOR AND THE TEMPORARY POSITION THAT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND THAT'S THE SAVINGS OF $132,304 FROM THE BUDGET.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND THEN TO KEEP OUR BRAINS ON THE SAME POINT, I JUST WANNA START A DISCUSSION.
AM I ALONE IN WANTING TO MOVE THE FIRE MARSHAL OUT OF FUND 51 AND INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UM, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOVE, UM, FOR US TO DO THAT.
IT DOES HAVE A BUDGETARY IMPACT.
WE COULD LEAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND FUND FUND 51.
UM, TO ME I FIND THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA USE, THE ONLY WORD I CAN COME UP WITH IS LIKE A BUDGETING HACK OR A BUDGETING TRICK BECAUSE HAVING A PERMANENT PERSONNEL THAT WE, I THINK WE ALL FEEL IS NEEDED AND, AND VALUED IN THE COUNTY IN THAT FUND, I WOULD PREFER US TO JUST FUND THE POSITION AND THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S A NEEDED POSITION AND GO FORWARD.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT ADDS A, AN IMPACT TO, TO THE TAX RATE.
UM, AND IT CAN BE DONE EITHER WAY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ONE, IT'S 100% ABLE TO BE DONE IN FUND 51 WITH NO ISSUES.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T A HILL I'M WILLING TO DIE ON.
IT'S JUST BEFORE I TRY TO MAKE A MOTION, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT PUTTING THE FIRE MARSHAL IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ACTUALLY IN THE GENERAL FUNDER JUST LEAVING IT IN FUND 51.
AND I, I SEE WHERE YOUR LOGIC IS GOING WITH THAT.
AND I, AND I, AND I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M READY TO MAKE THAT DECISION YET UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO THE END.
ONLY BECAUSE IF, IF WE HAVE MONEY SITTING IN FUND 51, UM, AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN REDUCE THE TAX RATE BEFORE WE'RE FINAL, I WANT TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHY THE MONEY IS SITTING IN FUND 51 TO USE, UM, LIKE I WOULD WANT TO DO WITH MOST OF OUR FUNDS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GO KIND OF TOWARDS THE END IS, IS WHAT CAN WE GET OUT OF SOME OF THESE FUND BALANCES TO REDUCE THE TAXPAYER'S BURDEN AT THE END.
UM, I GUESS I'D HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR.
THERE'S NO REASON WE WOULD EXPECT THE FUND 51 BALANCE TO DECREASE IN THE FUTURE.
IF ANYTHING, IT SHOULD BE INCREASING.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK YOUR, YOUR REVENUE ANNUALLY IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, SO, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IF IN FACT WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE DOWN THE ROAD AND FUND 51 SALES TAX, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IF WE'RE IN THE, IN THE DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT FUND TO PAY FOR IT, THEN THAT'S
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A GREAT REASON TO PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUND NOW.BUT IT IS EXACTLY WHAT FUND 51 IS CREATED FOR AND UNLESS THAT MONEY IS GONNA BE, HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, I KIND OF AGREE WITH BOBBY.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE, I DO HAVE A NOTE FROM WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUND 51 AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MADE IT TO MYSELF OR IF SOMEONE WAS CHECKING, I SAID, UH, WE NEEDED TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT IT CAN FUND.
'CAUSE I THINK MAYBE LISA, YOU HAD MADE SOME COMMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE FIRE MARSHAL POSITION, BUT I DO HAVE A NOTE FROM WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON, YOU KNOW, IN JULY.
I THINK WE CHECK THAT EVERY YEAR.
A A AND I THINK I SENT LISA ABOUT SEVEN EMAILS,
I I THINK, UM, I THINK YOU FOUND THAT YOU COULD EVEN DO IT WITH SOME ROADS AND HIGHWAY WORK.
WE HAD, WE HAD JUST DISCUSS, DISCUSSED AND LIBRARY REMODEL MM-HMM
SO IT'S, AND THE TOURISM, UH, IT, IT DID NOT, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU COULD, UH, I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT UTILIZING IT FOR ANOTHER, UH MM-HMM
BUT I, BUT WE, I'M MOVING PAST THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I, IT WAS JUST, I, I SIT AND THINK TOO MUCH
BUT, BUT I'M, I'M TOTALLY GOOD WITH, WITH THE COURT FOR ESPECIALLY JUST FOR NOW.
SO MY NEXT MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO REMOVE, UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL CAR, UM, AND THEN INCLUDE THE NEW WRAP, WHICH IS GONNA BE JUST A MOVEMENT OF FUND 51, SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SALES TAX, BUT WE'LL GO, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET.
SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THAT, WHICH IS REMOVING THE FI, WHICH IS REMOVING THE CAR, BUT THEN ADDING THE WRAP SO WE CAN TAKE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT VEHICLE AND THEN WRAP IT AS A FIRE MARSHAL VEHICLE.
GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND? UM, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT'S UM, WHERE, WHERE IS IT? IT'S THE VERY LAST THING ON THE, ON THE LAST SHEET.
UM, IT'S LETTER F IN SPECIAL FUNDS.
I HAD NOT MADE IT TO SPECIAL FUNDS.
SO HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LANHAM.
WELL, I, WAIT A MINUTE, HELP ME AGAIN WITH THE REASON YOU WANNA MOVE IT OUTTA THERE.
YOU SAY WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE WRAP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND LAUREN, I WAS MOVING ON TO MY NEXT THING AND YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE.
OH, UM, THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE THE COURT TO CONSIDER IS I HAVE A QUOTE FOR, I'M GONNA CALL IT $6,300 FOR, UH, A, A SERVICE RADIO TO BE PUT INTO THE POOL CAR FOR THE CONSTABLES.
UM, THAT'S TECHNICALLY CONSTABLE TWO CAR.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT $6,300 OUT OF FUND 51 TO BUY THE RADIO FOR THE ADDITIONAL CONSTABLE CARR.
AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO THE, THE LINE ITEM SAYS 6,200, YOUR MOTION SAID 6,360.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT 6,300.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT AT 6,300.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S TO PUT A A, A RADIO IN THE POOL CAR FOR THE CONSTABLES OUT OF FUND 51.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
SO THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO DO HAD TO DO WITH ADJUSTING THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE JAIL.
I BELIEVE, UM, THAT WE DID NOTICE LAST TIME THAT IT WASN'T QUITE DONE
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EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE ASK WAS KIND OF CONFUSING.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M GONNA ASK THE COURT TO DO, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT AND THEN I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS IN THE LINE ITEM IS THAT I WANT TO UN FUND THE JAIL MAINTENANCE, BUT KEEP THE HEADCOUNT IN THE JAIL FOR A MAINTENANCE PERSON.
THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE JAIL STANDARDS HAVE DETERMINED HOW MANY PEOPLE IT TAKES TO RUN A JAIL.
WE HAVE A LOT OF UNFILLED POSITIONS IN THAT.
SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE JAIL MAINTENANCE PEOPLE IN THOSE UNFUNDED POSITIONS, BUT IF WE WERE TO FULLY FUND THE JAIL, WE WOULD IN FACT NEED A POSITION OF SOMEONE TO HELP WITH THE ESCORTING AND, AND BEING A MAINTENANCE OFFICER.
SO THE ASK IS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT OF $55,000 THAT'S TO GET THE SALARIES RIGHT IN OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN A REDUCTION OF 1 0 6 2 6 7, BUT NOT, BUT NOT REMOVING THE HEAD COUNT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE PARTIALLY DID IT BUT DIDN'T DO IT ALL THE WAY IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION SO EVERYONE KIND OF UNDERSTANDS, AND MELISSA CAN EXPLAIN IT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS WE'RE ADDING SALARY TO BASICALLY BARRY'S BUDGET TO ACCOUNT FOR HIRING ALL THE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ADD ENOUGH.
AND THEN WE ARE REDUCING THE POSITION OUT OF THE JAIL WITH FUNDING, BUT KEEPING A MAINTENANCE PERSON IN THE HEADCOUNT OF THE JAIL.
SO THAT WOULD BE ITEM SIX, LINE 35 AND UH, LINE ITEM 26.
SO THIS, OKAY, SORRY, I'M NOT ON.
OKAY, SO BUT NOT REMOVING THE HEADCOUNT.
SO THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY MOVING THE THREE JAIL POSITIONS TO BARRY'S DEPARTMENT S AND THEN, AND, AND THAT WILL KEEP A, BUT IF, IF SOME OF THE POSITIONS IN THE, IN THE DETENTION CENTER OR COMPLETELY FULL, RIGHT? THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO FUND THE POSITION.
IF THEY, IF THEY HIRED ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
I THOUGHT WE DID, WE DID THAT.
DID, DID WE SOMEHOW LEAVE THE FUNDING THERE? YES.
WELL, I I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE PERSON WHO WAS THE MAINTENANCE PERSON IN THE JAIL AND MOVE THAT PERSON TO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I DON'T, LEMME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
SO IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS THEN FOR NEXT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE FUNDED THAT MAINTENANCE PERSON FOR THE JAIL AND THAT WOULD BE FUNDED, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE FUNDED UNDER BARRY'S DEPARTMENT OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION AND NOT FUNDED IN THE JAIL BUDGET.
SO I WAS, I THINK I WAS FOLLOWING YOU UNTIL I GOT A LITTLE SIDETRACKED BY DANA'S QUESTION WHERE SHE SAID SHE ASKED IF WE FILL ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS, THEN WE WILL NEED TO FUND THIS POSITION THAT'S UNFUNDED.
AND WHY WOULD THAT BE IF WE PUT THE MAINTENANCE PERSON IN MAINTENANCE? BECAUSE WE STILL NEED JAILERS TO HELP MAINTENANCE DO THE MAINTENANCE IN THE JAIL.
WE JUST DON'T NEED SPECIALIZED JAILERS TO HELP US DO MAINTENANCE IN THE JAIL.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS TAKING SOMEBODY WHOSE JOB IS TO ESCORT MAINTENANCE PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND REMOVING THAT POSITION.
BUT IF ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS ARE FILLED, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO TAKE PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, THE REASON I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT PERSON NOW, BUT WE HAVE TO ESCORT 'EM BACK AND FORTH.
SOMEBODY'S ESCORTING HIM BACK AND FORTH MM-HMM
NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, RIGHT.
SO IF WE HIRE EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE VACANT POSITIONS ON, WHY THEN WOULD WE NOT HAVE SOMEBODY TO BRING THEM BACK AND FORTH? THEN IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO BRING THEM BACK AND FORTH NOW, BUT THEN WE HIRE THREE MORE PEOPLE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO BRING 'EM BACK AND FORTH.
I'M, I I SEE NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT YEAH, I, I SEE CURRENTLY I SEE CHIEF MCKNIGHT SHAKING HIS HEAD, MAYBE CURRENTLY ALL THE LAUGHING AT US.
HE'S NOT SHAKING HIS HEAD, HE'S LAUGHING AT US.
ALL THE MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL IN THE JAIL ARE DETENTION OFFICER SLASH MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S THE, NOW THE GOAL IS TO TAKE THE, THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY
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OF MAINTAINING THE JAIL OFF THE JAILERS THAT ARE DOING IT AND MOVE IT ONTO BARRY, WHO'S OUR MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR.THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO WEAR TWO HATS.
SO, AND SO THAT'S WHY AT, AT TIMES THEY WILL NEED TO BE ESCORTED AROUND THE JAIL.
BUT IF THAT ALL HAPPENS, YOU'RE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY TO ESCORT 'EM.
BUT IF WE HIRE THREE OR FOUR MORE PEOPLE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO ESCORT 'EM 12, 12 MORE PEOPLE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO ESCORT 'EM BECAUSE THEN THE THEN WELL, NO, WE COULD COULD THAT NO SENSE TO THEM.
NO, WE COULD ESCORT THEM WITH THOSE 12 PEOPLE.
NO, BUT YOU SAID THEN WE'D HAVE TO HIRE, WE'D HAVE TO FILL THAT POSITION, HIRE SOMEBODY TO ESCORT 'EM, BUT WE'RE ESCORTING 'EM NOW WITHOUT THAT POSITION FILLED
SO THE, THE JAIL STANDARDS, THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE IT TAKES YOU TO RUN A JAIL.
THIS IS HOW MANY GUARDS YOU NEED.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT NUMBER, UM, AS, AS A SET NUMBER AND SAYING, THIS IS HOW MANY GUARDS WE NEED.
ALL THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE ARE ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LISTED IN THE GUARD.
SO I'M JUST, I'M WALKING YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH AGAIN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS, SO IF CURRENTLY WE HAVE 12 OPENINGS IN THE JAIL, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN WE HAVE REMOVED FUNDING OF FOUR OFFICERS, FI SIX OFFICERS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
SO WE HAVE SIX MORE, SIX OR SEVEN MORE THAT WE COULD HIRE IN THEORY, IF WE EVER STAFFED THE JAIL ALL THE WAY UP AND HAD EVERY SINGLE POSITION FULL, EVERYONE COULD TECHNICALLY BE A GUARD AND THERE WOULDN'T BE SOMEONE THAT YOU COULD ASSIGN AS A MAINTENANCE PERSON.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT OR THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET NOW AS A MAINTENANCE MANAGER, AND I'M SAYING KEEP THE MAINTENANCE MANAGER IN THE HEADCOUNT AND JUST MOVE ALL THE MAINTENANCE FUNDING TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO IN THE FUTURE, THE JAIL DOESN'T HAVE TO COME AND ARGUE TO ADD A MAINTENANCE PERSON BACK IF THEY WERE TO FILL ALL THEIR POSITIONS BECAUSE THE, THAT COUNTS OUTSIDE OF THE JAIL'S HEADCOUNT OF GUARDING AND RUNNING AND OPERATING A JAIL.
SO OF THE 12 POSITIONS, IS ONE OF THOSE GONNA BE FILLED AS A MAINTENANCE MANAGER OR ARE THESE 12 POSITIONS JUST JAILER POSITIONS? THEY'RE JAILER POSITIONS.
AND IF THEY FULLY STAFF THE JAIL, DO THEY NEED THIS OTHER POSITION IN THEIR HEADCOUNT? THEY WOULDN'T NEED IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE COUNTS ARE FOR STAFFING THE JAIL.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAINTENANCE.
THE WORRY IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE STATE AUDITING THE HEAD COUNTS TO GET THE HEAD COUNTS RIGHT NOW, WE COULD TAKE IT AWAY AND SAY, NO, ALL THE MAINTENANCE POSITIONS ARE JUST MOVING INTO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND, AND, AND WE, AND WE CAN JUST MOVE IT ALL.
AND THEN WHEN THE JAIL FILLS, THEY HAVE TO PUT THE POSITION BACK.
WHAT I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO DO IS LEAVE IT THERE UNFUNDED SO THAT IT'S JUST STAYS IN THE HEADCOUNT.
IT'S JUST AN ASK AND THAT, AND THAT WE THEN TURN AROUND AND JUST MOVE ALL THE MONEY TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL TRY AT THE BEGINNING.
AND IF WE DON'T LEAVE IT IN THE HEADCOUNT NOW, ARE WE, UM, SHORT OF THE STANDARD, THEY JUST, THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S A FIT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE NO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RUNNING THE JAIL 12 SHORT WITH OVERTIME AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO IF THEY WERE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS, THEY WOULD NEED TO ADD ANOTHER FULL-TIME POSITION AS AN ESCORT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL OF KEEPING THIS MORE EFFICIENT, IS THAT IF, IF WE NEED TO HAVE A TECHNICIAN GOING INTO THE JAIL FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAY WORKING ON SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE TO BE ESCORTED, WE DO THAT WITH A, A GUARD RATHER THAN A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN.
AND SO THE MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS CAN BE WORKING ON THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS AND EVENTUALLY STOP FARMING OUT ALL THE HELP BECAUSE THERE'S STILL GONNA BE THREE FULL-TIME PEOPLE IN THE JAIL FROM THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING TO THE NEW COURTHOUSE OR THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING ANYWHERE ELSE.
THE, THE WORK IS GONNA BE THE SAME.
THE CONCERN IS GOING TO JAIL STANDARDS AND BEING AUDITED.
AND I'M JUST SAYING IF WE KEEP AN UNFUNDED POSITION THERE, IT'S GONNA BE EASIER ON THE MINDS OF RUNNING THE JAIL AND POTENTIALLY LONG-TERM PLANNING THAN IF WE JUST HAD IT GO AWAY.
BOTH OF THEM ARE ACCEPTABLE FOR RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE PREFERENCE IS TO AT LEAST LEAVE IT THERE AS A MAINTENANCE MANAGER ONE, AND THEN NOT FUND THE POSITION.
THAT'S THE ASK I'M ASKING OF THE COURT.
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I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE IT GO AWAY AND, AND THAT IS A VOTE THAT WE COULD TAKE YEAH.YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE IT.
UM, OKAY, SO, SO HERE'S WHAT I'LL DO WITH THAT.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJUST THE JAIL TECH SALARY TO MATCH, WHICH IS GONNA BE ITEM 26 FOR $55,365.
AND THAT'S WAS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, IS MOVE THOSE SALARIES INTO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.
SO YOU'RE JUST, I'M JUST MAKING THE MOTION, THE MOTION AT EMPLOYEE SIX IS THAT WE MOVE, YOU INCREASE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BY 55 365 TO PUT THE JAIL TECHS SALARY INTO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SECOND THAT MOTION.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THE HEADCOUNT THAT WE MISTAKENLY LEFT IN, IN THE JAIL.
BE, BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, COULD WE DISCUSS YEAH, SOMETHING RELATED.
LOVE TO, YEAH, SO I, BY THE WAY, I, I LIKE YOUR MOTION, BUT, UM, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE HAVE SIX POSITIONS THAT WE NEED TO MEET JAIL STANDARDS, AND WE HAVEN'T FUNDED THOSE, IS WHAT I HEARD.
THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY A MINUTE AGO.
SO SORT OF, SORT OF, AND IT'D BE A GOOD, GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH, UH, CAPTAIN GRAY.
SO THERE'S 12 POSITIONS THAT WE PERPETUALLY CAN'T FILL.
UH, AND, AND WE END UP, UH, PAYING PEOPLE OVER TIME.
NOW, THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PEOPLE WANT OVERTIME.
BUT WE PERPETUALLY HAVE 12 POSITIONS OPEN.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE FIRST DRAFT IS SAID, LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE BUDGETING THESE POSITIONS.
WE'RE NOT FILLING THESE POSITIONS.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING OUR STANDARDS VIA OVERTIME, WHICH THE JAILERS APPEAR ALIKE.
SO I'M GONNA REMOVE BUDGETING FOR SIX OF THEM, AND IT LEAVES SIX JUST IN CASE WE FINISH ONE WING.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY 400 PEOPLE SHOW UP IN THE JAIL INSTEAD OF 250.
SO IF, DOES IT WORK OUT SO THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO FILL ALL 12 POSITIONS, THAT THE OVERTIME WOULD GO DOWN ENOUGH TO COVER THEIR COSTS AND SALARIES? TECHNICALLY, YES.
TECHNICALLY THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHAT SHOULD, AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I I, YOUR EXPLANATION WAS VERY CLEAR.
BUT IF, WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS BE IN A POSITION WHERE MAGICALLY HIRING IMPROVES AND THOSE 12 GO AWAY AND WE NOW DON'T HAVE MONEY TO PAY THEM BUDGETED.
AND IF THE ANSWER IS OVERTIME WILL GO DOWN ENOUGH SO THAT WE NOW PAY THEM REGULAR PAY, THEN, THEN WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING MECHANISM THERE, THEN THAT'S VERY CREATIVE.
SO I, I, I LEFT THE HEADCOUNT AND NOT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT TRAIL AGAIN.
I LEFT THE HEAD COUNT OF 12, BUT JUST FUNDED SIX.
UH, AND, AND THE TRUTH BE TOLD, IF WE GET PAST THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, UM, AND, AND I HATE TO SAY IT OVER SIMPLIFY IT, MONEY SHOWS UP.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CALCULATED TO SPEND THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING AND AND THE, THE FUNDING SHOWS UP.
THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT AVENUES.
IF WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE, HEY, WE NEED THOSE SIX, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA HIRE THOSE SIX.
I THINK IT'S SYSTEMIC A LITTLE BIT THOUGH, BECAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING AND MAKING OVERTIME AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE POSSIBLY MADE CHANGES TO THEIR, THEIR SPENDING, THEIR PERSONAL SPENDING AND HOW THEY AND THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HIRE MORE.
AND THEN THERE'S NO OVERTIME FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE GOTTEN ADJUSTED TO, ACCUSTOMED TO THE OVERTIME, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN TO WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE OPENINGS IN THAT, IN, IN THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SOLVE THIS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS AWARE.
IF, IF I'M SOMEONE AND I'VE GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO MAKING X AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE HIRED NEW ONES AND, AND MY EX WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, AND I'D STARTED GETTING USED TO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT, AND I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT I THINK HAPPENS A WHOLE LOT.
UM, NOT JUST IN THE JAIL, IN IN OTHER, IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HOURLY TYPE OF RATE.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY
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CONSTRUCTION AND SO FORTH.IT HAPPENS IN EVERY LINE OF BUSINESS THAT HAPPENED IN A BUSINESS THAT I WAS IN.
IF SOMEBODY GETS YOU, AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, THIS OVERTIME, SO WE, WE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T BE FOOLED BY SAYING THAT THIS OVERTIME, ONCE WE TAKE IT AWAY, EVERYBODY'S GONNA STAY AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THESE NEW POSITIONS OUT OF WHAT WAS OVERTIME.
I DON'T, ONE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT MONEY EQUALS OUT OVERTIME PAY TO THESE, UH, SALARIES.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT DOES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF WE REDUCE THESE PEOPLE'S OVERTIME, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEIR LIFESTYLES HAVE ADJUSTED.
I PROMISE YOU TO THIS OVER TIME, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG THAT IT, WHEN IT, WHEN IT CHANGES, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RETENTION ISSUE BASED ON THAT CHANGE.
THAT'S, AND WE'LL JUST BE IN A CYCLE.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING, BUT TO ME THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
IT IS THAN WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS IF WE NEED TO.
AND IF YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY MAY NEVER BE FILLED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO THIS AND WE'RE STAFFED AND IT'S EASIER TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.
YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO WORK OVERTIME AND, AND THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE EVER HAVE TO BE FULLY STAFFED AND THOSE 12 POSITIONS ARE PAYABLE, THERE'S A PLACE IN OUR BUDGET TO PAY THEM FROM.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO IF, MAKE SURE THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT POSITION TO TODAY AS WE'RE PLANNING OUR BUDGET, RATHER THAN THINKING ABOUT IT DOWN THE ROAD.
THEN IF, THEN, IF WE NEED A FAIL SAFE AS FUND 51 APPLY, IF WE GET IN THIS POSITION AND WE FIGURE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUDGET YEAR THAT WE'RE NOT, AND BY SOME MIRACLE WE'RE ABLE TO FULLY STAFF IN THERE THIS FUND 51 APPLY TO THESE POSITIONS, WELL, WE WOULD MAKE LISA'S HEAD SPIN.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD THEN TURN AROUND AND PUT SHERIFF DEPUTIES INTO FUND 51.
'CAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THEN TAKE SHERIFF DEPUTIES MONEY AND MOVE IT INTO JAIL OPERATIONS.
AND, BUT AT THE BOTTOM LINE, WE PROBABLY COULD MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK.
AND SO WE COULD SAY WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN.
YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A CONTINGENCY LINE IN 51.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PUT SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT, AND, BUT I I, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT AVENUE THAT I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT.
UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CREATE A NEW POSITION, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A YEAR, BUT LEAVING IT UNFUNDED ISS NOT CREATING IT.
I, I THINK WE'RE WALKING A, A THIN LINE, BUT IT, BUT JUST REMEMBER IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT USE 51 FOR SOMETHING ELSE, PUT A CONTINGENCY LINE IN THERE THAT'S SIZABLE.
SO JUDGE, IN YOUR STRATEGY HERE THAT YOU'VE OUTLINED, YOU, THERE'S 12 POSITIONS THAT AREN'T FULL RIGHT NOW.
CORRECT? SIX OF THEM ARE FUNDED, SIX AREN'T CORRECT.
WITH THAT VERY SCENIC ROUTE, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THE HEAD COUNT IN THE JAIL MAINTENANCE FROM THE JAIL.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FOUR TO ONE.
IT, IT IS OKAY TO BE AGAINST THINGS.
UH, I WANNA TALK ABOUT PART-TIME JP CLERKS.
UM, MY JP, UH, IS, UM, HAVING A LOT OF FUN WITH CIVIL CASES.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT LAWRENCE JP IS HAVING, UH, A SEPARATE SET OF ISSUES.
SO AFTER A LONG DISCUSSION, UM, I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER, MAYBE WE DON'T VOTE ON IT TODAY, BUT I WANT US TO CONSIDER ADDING A PART-TIME CLERK IN JP COURT.
UM, I ENCOURAGE ALL OF Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THE CIVIL CASES THAT HAVE BEEN FILED IN PRECINCT FOUR AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER.
AND SO WHAT I ASKED JUDGE WHITTEN TO DO WAS GIVE ME, UM, BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE A JOB DUTY LIST.
SO IF YOU WOULD PASS THAT ALONG.
THIS JUST, I DIDN'T, I ASKED HER NOT TO GIMME A BIG FORMAL WRITEUP.
SO IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING MORE, I APOLOGIZE, SHE'S FOLLOWING MY INSTRUCTIONS.
UM, I'M JUST SAYING, IF, IF WE WERE TO GRANT YOU THIS CLERK, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THIS CLERK DO? SO AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF IT IS FOCUSING IN ON THE JUDGEMENTS, THE DEBT CLAIMS AND, AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE, THE UPTICK IN, UH, IN CIVIL CLAIMS IN PRECINCT FOUR IS ALARMING IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S JUST A BIG NUMBER.
UM, DO WE, AND THIS MAY BE JUST GETTING WAY OFF THE RESERVATION.
DO WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE? WE DON'T KNOW WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY A PART-TIME CLERK IS A DECENT SOLUTION TO MOVE THINGS THROUGH AND TO SEE WAS THIS A SEASON, IS THIS A POSITION WE WOULD
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ELIMINATE IN A FUTURE BUDGET WITHOUT HIRING A FULL-TIME PERSON? AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SHE'S DYING FROM THE SENSE OF JUST WORKLOAD.AND THIS WOULD GIVE SOME CONSISTENCY TO JUST MOVE THESE CASES ALONG AND TAKE THE LOAD OFF SOME OF THE CLERKS.
AND JUDGE, I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY IS A REFLECTION ON THE GROWTH.
AND IN, IN PRECINCT, SHE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOUR.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT IF WE LOOK AT THE REPORTS FROM PRECINCT TO, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE APARTMENTS.
AND, AND A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF, UM, SUITS AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK IT IS PROBABLY REALITY OF THE GROWTH IN THE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
SO DOES THAT CHANGE IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE APARTMENTS? IS IT JUST PERPETUAL? THERE'S MORE.
SO, UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO, UM, IS JUST PUT THIS IN THE REVISION LIST.
UM, AND MAYBE ON TUESDAY WE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON A LOT TOMORROW.
IT'LL PROBABLY JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF DISCUSSION, IS REALLY LOOK AT THE TWO PART-TIME JP CLERKS AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BUDGET IS LANDING.
I JUST THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POSITION FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AND, UM, I, UH, I I DON'T, I DON'T ASK THIS LIGHTLY OR WITH LEVITY.
I, I THINK THAT IT, THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS BEING, WHAT IS BEING HANDLED IN THAT OFFICE AND HOW MUCH PAPERWORK IS MOVING CIVIL CASES, I, IF YOU REMEMBER HER TESTIMONY, I HAD NOT TESTIMONY, REMEMBER HER BUDGET WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST HOW MUCH WORK, HOW MUCH MORE WORK A CIVIL CASE IS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER CASES.
THIS IS JUST GONNA HELP KIND OF TAKE THE LOAD OFF ON, ON THE CIVIL SIDE.
COMMISSIONER LTI, DO YOU FIND THE SAME NEED IN THREE? BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE DRIVING THE MOST REVENUE OUT OF ALL OF THE JP AREAS.
AND SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE ONLY DO FOUR, WELL, HOW IS JP DRIVING ALL THIS REVENUE? WELL, JP THREE DRIVING ALL THIS REVENUE AND JP FOUR NEEDING A PART-TIME.
WELL, THE REASON I DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING UNTIL NOW IS BECAUSE THERE'S A PART-TIME CLERK ADDED FOR JP THREE HERE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE DISCUSSED THAT WHEN THE JP, THE JUDGE WAS HERE AND HE LAID THAT OUT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, UM, BOBBY, THE, IT IT'S REMARKABLE, THE SUMMERTIME REVENUE, I GUESS SINCE IT'S COME IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
HE SAID HIS IS THE LAST FOUR MONTHS.
AND, AND I, I'M SORRY, I COULD GO PRINT OFF A THING LIKE, LIKE HE DID.
'CAUSE I HAD, UM, I ASKED JUDGE RUSSO TO LAY OUT FOR US HIS, THE REASONING MM-HMM
AND IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND IF YOU, EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE, WE GET THE JP SUMMARIES FOR THAT MONTH AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THOSE TWO COURTS ARE JUST SLAMMED.
AND JUDGE RUSSO GAVE ME KIND OF WHAT HE DESCRIBED AS THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF HOW WE GOT THERE.
AND ONE AND TWO AREN'T QUITE, THAT AREN'T AT THAT LEVEL YET.
BUT YEAH, THE REASON I, THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T BRING IT UP TILL NOW IS BECAUSE J THE PART-TIME CLERK FOR JP THREE IS IN HERE.
UM, AND SO, BUT DID HIS SUMMARY ALSO SAY APARTMENT OR NO, NO, NO.
HIS PROBABLY WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE.
I WAS REFERRING TO FOUR WHEN I MADE THAT STATEMENT.
BUT THEN THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER REFLECTION FOR TWO, LIKE WITH CONSTABLE, UM, CHENEY, UM, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE EVICTIONS HE'S HAVING TO HANDLE.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR, FOR, FOR AND GETTING A LOT OF, UM, THIS SUMMER, GETTING A LOT OF REVENUE IN JP THREE FROM TRAFFIC TICKETS, A TON OF REVENUE FROM TRAFFIC TICKETS.
SO I THINK IT WAS LIKE A BOY, I HATE TO SAY NUMBERS 'CAUSE I GET 'EM WRONG, BUT LIKE $88,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE SWAMPED AND IT'S INTERESTING.
UH, AND ONE THING, AND I'LL, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT THING, UH, THAT I ASKED JUDGE RUSSO TO DO AND, AND MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE IT.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING, HE HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW HE WILL USE A PART-TIME PERSON.
BUT THAT'S JUST MANAGEMENT STYLE.
I THINK HE'S GOT SETTING UP DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, UH, JUDGE WHITTEN HAS DONE.
BUT I THINK IN BOTH CASES IT'S JUSTIFIED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TWO CLERKS FOR JP, TWO PART-TIME CLERKS.
AND, AND ONE OF SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT A MOMENT AGO ABOUT, UH, IT'S GOOD TO DO PART-TIME BECAUSE WE SEE IF IT'S REALLY A PERMANENT NEED OR NOT.
IF WE HIRED A FULL-TIME, IT BECOMES MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ADJUST THAT POSITION OUT LATER.
I ARE WE GONNA DEAL WITH BOTH OF THESE NEXT WEEK OR OTHERWISE? I WAS, WELL, I WAS WAITING.
WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
AND I, I WAS JUST SAYING, I I, I, I WANTED, I WANTED THEM IN INCLUDED.
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TO GO AHEAD, IF YOU WERE PREPARED, I WOULD DEFINITELY, YEAH.WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON LINE ITEM 23 TO ADD A PART-TIME CLERK FOR JP THREE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD A PART-TIME CLERK FOR JP FOUR.
HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
UH, I SEE WE'VE GOT, UM, FUND 41, SB 22 FOR THE DA ADD SENIOR CLERK FOR THE 503RD COURT.
YEAH, I, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE ADDED, HOLD ON.
WE, I THINK AT ONE POINT MELISSA GAVE US THIS SHEET, LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE A YEAR AGO.
IT SAYS, HERE'S THE 503RD REQUESTS MM-HMM
UM, NO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING THAT.
I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO, BUT IT, IT APPEARS ON THE, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S SIDE.
WE ADDED THE FELONY CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
WE ADDED THE FELONY PROSECUTOR, WE ADDED THE FELONY INVESTIGATOR, BUT WE DIDN'T ADD THE CLERK.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS KIND OF COMES DOWN TO IS, IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAFF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THE NEW, UH, UH, DISTRICT COURT THAT WAS ENGROSSED LAST NIGHT IN THE HOUSE.
WELL, IT'S NOT STEP ONE, IT'S LIKE STEP 20 IN A 40 STEP PROCESS.
BUT I I, I'VE BEEN AFRAID TO EVEN ASK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT ANYWAYS, THIS, THIS GETS THAT STAFFING AS REQUESTED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO DO THE WORK NECESSARY FOR THE COURT.
NOW IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE COULD DO IT OUT OF SB 22 MONEY.
ARE YOU OKAY USING SB 22 FOR A CLERK? YEAH, PLEASE.
UH, I'VE TALKED TO THE KEN CULPEPPER DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
I'VE TALKED TO THE DIFFERENT, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COURT.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE A DECISION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPPLEMENTING SALARIES WITH SB 22.
AND SO THAT'S THAT'RE GONNA BRING THE DA'S SALARIES TO BASE USING GENERAL FUNDS.
AND I SAID THAT I WOULD GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR SB 22 AND YOU COULD USE IT, UM, FOR THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE THE ONLY THING WE CAN USE SB 22 FOR IS NEW POSITIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT'S IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO, UH, WITH PART OF THAT MONEY, THAT'S GOOD.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE OTHER 200,000? I'LL FIND THEM.
HOW, HOW DID I LOSE 200,000? NO, NO, NO, THAT'S, WE WERE HAVING SUCH A NICE CONVERSATION.
SB SB 22 FOR THE DA IS 250,000.
SEE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SAY NUMBERS WITHOUT REFERENCING 'EM, YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG.
YOU, YOU, YOU CAN ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, SO, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ALONG THAT LINE IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD A SENIOR CLERK FOR THE FIVE, FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SERVICE THE FIVE A HUNDRED AND THIRD COURT IF AND WHEN IT IS FORMED.
AND, UM, THAT WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM SB 22 FUNDS.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
WE'RE ABOUT TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
AND THEN WE CAN GET STARTED REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
UM, THEN I WANT TO, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CIVILIAN CARS.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER ALANA, DO YOU WANT TO, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO OF THEM IN THIS BUDGET.
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FOR THE ENGINEER OR FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEN FOR THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.UM, SO I THINK THERE'S ABOUT $90,000 OR SO OF CARS IN THIS BUDGET.
SO DID YOU WANT TO SHED SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT SINCE YOU'RE KIND OF THE FLEET COMMITTEE? YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE, UM, AND OF COURSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO TRY TO GAIN SOME MONEY BACK INTO THIS, INTO THIS BUDGET.
I MEAN, THE MAINTENANCE VEHICLE, UM, THAT BARRY HAS REQUESTED IS PROBABLY GONNA GET THE MOST USE.
I MEAN, IT'S 66 OR 67, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT WE NEED A VEHICLE FOR THE, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ENGINEER.
BUT I, BUT IF WE NEED TO FIND A SURPLUS OF SOME SORT THAT WE'RE GONNA COME OFF OF, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO COME OFF OF VEHICLES, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE'RE GONNA COME OFF OF VEHICLES ALL OVER THE, WE'RE GONNA COME OFF OF A FEW VEHICLES AND CIVILIAN, NONE OF THOSE REALLY ARE GONNA BE USABLE THOUGH, THAT WE'RE COMING OFF ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE.
UM, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT ELIMINATING THAT VEHICLE AND TRYING TO USE SOMETHING THAT WE SURPLUS OUT.
WE'D HAVE TO STRIP STUFF OFF OF THAT VEHICLE.
SO THERE'S, IF WE DO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE USE SOMETHING FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE LIKE A TAHOE, OR IF THEY'RE COMING OFF ONE OF THEIR OLDER EXPLORERS, WE ARE GONNA HAVE $3,500 TO STRIP OUT OF THEIR ISH.
SO IT'S NOT A COMPLETE CLEAN SWAP HERE.
THERE WILL BE SOME EXPENSES, BUT WE COULD NOT BUY A NEW VEHICLE THERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL TRUCK AND I THINK THE TOTAL COST ON THAT SMALL TRUCK IS 31 OR 32, 30 3000.
SO IT, IT'S THROUGH 30,000 SAVINGS, WE COULD PICK UP 30 GRAND.
I THINK WE COULD PICK UP 30 GRAND.
AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT AND BE OKAY.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD JUST BE THE MAINTENANCE TRUCK.
WHICH, AGAIN, GO BACK TO MY FAVORITE PLAY WITH LISA AND FIND $67,000
SHE JUST TOOK $500,000 OF IT OUT.
UM, AND MAY AND, AND, AND MAYBE WE, WE DO THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT THAT IS JUST SOMETHING WE COULD JUST UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE CARS IN THERE, BUT WE COULD KEEP IT IN THERE FOR NOW AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO PUT, TRY TO FIND SOME PLACE TO, TO, TO BUY THE ONE MAINTENANCE TRUCK.
THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED CIVILIAN VEHICLES THAT WE, THAT WE'RE ASKED FOR AREN'T, UH, AREN'T REALLY NECESSARY RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I LOOK AT IT AND, AND THINK, WELL, CAN, AS THIS GETS TIGHTER AND TIGHTER, CAN WE GET ANOTHER YEAR DOWN THE ROAD? WE CAN, WE CAN.
THE PRIORITY WOULD BE, UH, BARRY'S TRUCK THAT HE NEEDS FOR THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
THE OTHER ONES ARE, ARE MORE ON THE WANT SIDE.
WE DO NEED A VEHICLE FOR OUR ENGINEER, UM, OR FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE CAN FIND SOMETHING NICE, UM, FOR A YEAR AND TRY TO ADDRESS THIS AGAIN LATER AND PICK UP 30 GRAND.
WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE SURPLUS WITH, WITH, WE'LL, THE PLAN OF TAKING SB 22 AND GETTING OUT AHEAD NEXT YEAR.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME, UM, NEWER VEHICLES FROM THE LAST ROUND OF PURCHASES THAT WE MADE THAT ARE STILL WAITING TO BE OUTFITTED, BY THE WAY, AT THE SHERIFF THAT HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN PUT IN BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET 'EM IN LINE.
THAT, THAT, THAT SHOCKS NO ONE THAT'S BEEN UP HERE FOR MORE THAN A
IT'S JUST, SO THERE ARE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE ARE VEHICLES, I MEAN THERE ARE VEHICLES AROUND.
UM, WE COULD EVEN DRIVE ONE OF THOSE AROUND UNTIL IT GOT READY TO BE PUT IN LINE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS.
SO IF WE CAN PICK UP 30 GRAND, LET'S PICK UP 30 GRAND.
SO DID YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, JUST GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CAR? 'CAUSE I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CAR, UM, OUTTA THE BUDGET.
SORRY ERICA, SHE'S STARING AT US.
STILL GONNA, WE'RE STILL GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU,
SO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
UM, I, I WANT TO GO BACK AND, AND, AND DO ONE THING, UM, THAT, THAT I'S JUST GONNA MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.
THE 503RD COURT WAS NOT PART OF ANY COURT ORDER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THAT BAILIFF, PUT THAT BAILIFF SALARY AT WHAT THE OTHER BAILIFFS GET, BECAUSE THE SECOND, UH, A JUDGE IS PLACED, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE FIRST COURT ORDER THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS SET THE BAIL OF SALARY.
SO JUST FOR THE CLEANLINESS OF, OF THE BUDGET AND PLANNING FOR THAT COURT, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT THE FIVE OH THIRD DISTRICT COURT BAIL OF SALARY GET PUT AT WHAT THE OTHER DISTRICT COURTS SALARIES ARE FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES.
MAN, THAT IS A, UH, THAT IS A GOOD MOTION THERE.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
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I'LL SECOND IT.SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS BAILIFF IS, UM, COURT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET AND THE BAILIFF IS ALREADY GOTTEN
SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER, YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO ROOM.
SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COURTS, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, COMMISSIONER, DID I JUST SKIP? SO LINE ITEM 29, A PUBLIC SAFETY DECREASE AMOUNT TO ESC EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DUE TO DECREASE IN PERSONNEL.
DID WE, DID WE PICK THAT UP AND I JUST MISS IT? I THOUGHT, YEAH, I THOUGHT, UM, I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER STACY SAID AS WELL.
I THOUGHT I PUT THAT IN THE MOTION WHEN WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT RID OF THE I CHECKED IT OFF LIKE WE DID.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'RE, AND, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M RIGHT.
SO, UM, THIS, THIS IS A QUESTION, IT IS NOT A LOADED QUESTION.
UM, THERE'S SO MANY NOTES AND SO MANY THINGS.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, LOOK, WE HAVE ON LINE 20, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL DISTRICT CLERK, IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, THAT STILL PUTS THE DISTRICT CLERK OFFICE ONE SHORT OF WHAT THE DISTRICT COURT CLERK ASKED FOR.
SO THEN THE AUDITOR IS SHAKING THEIR HEAD.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND UM, IS THAT LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T GET LEAH A DISTRICT CLERK.
THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A REQUEST AND, AND THAT REQUEST WASN'T GRANTED.
I'M ALSO LOOKING AT A DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE THAT IF THE OCA IS CORRECT IS OPERATING AT THE LEVEL CURRENTLY OF THREE DISTRICT COURTS BECAUSE THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD A DISTRICT COURT.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO TRY TO MEET THAT PERSONNEL DEMAND BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT OFFICE IS ALREADY UNDER AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE AND AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF WORK BECAUSE THE WORKLOAD IS ALREADY THERE TO ADD A COURT.
THAT'S WHAT THE OCA HAS DETERMINED.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO ATTEMPT, UM, AND, AND I'M GOOD WITH VOTING IN ONE AND PUTTING ANOTHER ONE IN REVISION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE LEAH WHOLE TO MAKE THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE WHOLE FROM THE REQUEST.
SHE CAME IN WITH THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
SHE ASKED FOR A PERSON LAST YEAR AND DIDN'T GET IT.
AND SHE'S GETTING A WHOLE NEW COURT THAT'S GONNA HELP OFFSET A LOT OF THE WORKLOAD.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE REAL POSSIBILITY THAT, THAT I, I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ONE OFFICE THAT I WOULD GO TO THE PEOPLE OF ROCK HALL COUNTY AND SAY, I I THINK IT'S UNDERSTAFFED.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THIS STAFFING, WE WOULD STILL BE SLIGHTLY UNDERSTAFFED.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TRY TO GET IT FULLY WHAT THE DISTRICT CLERK HAS ASKED US TO DO THAT.
DIDN'T WE ADD SOMEONE? YES, MELISSA, YOU ADDED A FEW, BUT YOU'RE ADDED ONE.
SHE ASKED FOR TWO, WE ADDED ONE.
I, IF SHE ASKED FOR FOUR, YOU ADDED TWO.
AND I'M SAYING I WANNA GET TO FOUR THAT THAT'S, BUT GO AHEAD.
AND JUST, AND JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT IT LIKE, NOT, NOT SO MUCH WORKLOAD, ALTHOUGH THAT THAT'S A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING MAYBE THE WORKLOAD DOESN'T INCREASE, BUT THE SPEED OF THAT WORKLOAD DOES BECAUSE IT SHOULD, IT, IT IT WILL BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE THREE COURTS OPERATING THE SPEED OF WHICH THOSE NEEDS ARE GONNA COME ACROSS.
THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE IS GOING TO INCREASE.
AND SO THE, THE DAILY PRODUCTIVITY NEEDS ARE GOING TO RISE DRAMATICALLY.
AND, AND WE WE'RE ALREADY UNDERWATER IN THERE, SO HOW ARE WE GONNA GET MORE DONE? EVEN IF, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME, IT'S GONNA COME FASTER.
SO HOW DO WE GET MORE DONE NOW IN A DAY IF THINK ABOUT THE DAILY PROCESS THEY GO THROUGH AND IF THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA REALLY BE UNDERWATER AT THIS POINT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE ALSO WANNA DISCUSS PAY AMONG THE CLERKS NOW BEFORE WE START MAKING MOVES AS TO HOW MANY WE WANT TO FILL? OR DO WE WANNA DO THIS FIRST? THAT IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE THE FLOOR.
'CAUSE I'VE TALKED FOR PROBABLY OVER AN HOUR.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE REST OF THE COURT MEMBERS WOULD LIKE.
IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE, THE PAY OF THE, UH, STARTING CLERK PAY NOW, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE WE LEFT ON
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THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT.I WOULD LIKE TO, BEFORE WE START TO ADD MORE POSITIONS.
I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT PAY.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE SCALE, THE PAY SCALES TO NOT DO THAT DURING BUDGET TIME.
UH, O OTHER COUNTIES I'VE LEARNED CALLING COUNTY DOES A BUDGET AND THEN AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR SCALE AND ESSENTIALLY MOVE, MOVE UP OR ADJUST THEIR SCALES ACCORDINGLY.
UH, I WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT PAY, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A LARGER CONVERSATION TO HAVE ABOUT PAY SCALES.
WELL, I MEAN, SOME OF THE IDEAS SURROUNDING CLERK PAY IS GONNA INVOLVE OUR PAY SCALE THAT COMMISSIONER STACY PRESENTED TO US.
WE HAVE TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO BE ABLE TO BUDGET BECAUSE WE CAN'T PAY SOMEONE MORE THAN WE BUDGET.
SO WE CAN'T WAIT TILL AFTERWARDS AND THEN, AND THEN ADJUST IT.
THAT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT TILL THE NEXT YEAR.
SO, WELL, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN PAY THEM, BUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY THEY, THEY'VE HIT THEIR TOP AND WE, WE CAN PAY THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN EXTRA 1200 BUCKS THAT CAN BE PAID AS WHATEVER BONUS, BUT THEY'RE AT THE TOP.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT BACK THERE NEXT YEAR.
UH, AND THEY, THEY DON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET THAT EXTRA 1200 WE GAVE THEM TILL WE MOVE THAT SCALE UP.
I I, I PERSONALLY THINK THIS, THIS CONVERSATION, WE'VE KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TWO YEARS.
'CAUSE I, THE LAST TWO BUDGET YEARS WE'VE HAD THIS, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND, AND I'M, I, I'VE SUPPORT WHERE WHAT WE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, LIKE IN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AND, AND TO, AND TO HAVE A, DO A DEEP DIVE ON IT.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, I, I STILL THINK THAT THERE IS SOME, SOME ROOM ON, OR WE NEED TO FIND ROOM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CLERK POSITIONS.
WELL, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE STARTING CLERK PAY FOR SURE.
WE SAW THAT THE STUDY WE DID CAME BACK AND WE WERE UNDER, WE WERE UNDER UNDER MINIMUMS EV UH, COMPARED TO REALLY EVERYONE.
SO, UM, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR JOB DESCRIPTION COMPARED TO JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR CLERK, FOR CLERKS IN OTHER MARKETS.
SO, UH, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHATEVER, WHERE ARE WE COMFORTABLE AT? YEAH.
AND, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION INCLUDING INSURANCE AND RETIREMENT.
AND THEN THE NUMBER I HAVE, UM, THAT I, THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT FIRST AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UM, I, I KNOW WHAT THE, IM, UH, CAMMIE HAS GENEROUSLY GIVEN ME THE FULLY LOADED IMPACT AND I GUESS COMMISSIONER STACY COULD PROBABLY GUESS WHAT NUMBER THAT'S AROUND.
IT'S GONNA BE AROUND 38,000, $39,000.
A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING THOUSAND.
OH, IT'S ME ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND HUNDRED.
IT'S EVERYTHING COST A HUNDRED.
SO EVERYTHING OUT OF BOBBY'S MOUTH, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
EVERYTHING I WANT TO DO APPARENTLY IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO I GOTTA, EXCEPT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE AND IT'S 3000, IT'S ONLY 30
UM, SO THE, UH, STARTING CLERK PAY THAT I, UM, LOOKED AT WENT FROM JOB GRADE ONE ON COMMISSIONER STACEY'S PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS AT 33,986.
AND I, UH, PROPOSED MOVING THE CLERKS TO JOB, UH, BEGINNING CLERKS TO JOB GRADE THREE.
AND AND THIS IS FOR DISTRICT AND COUNTY ONLY.
AND I'M NOT MOVING THE SENIOR CLERKS, UM, THAT ARE AT JOB GRADE FOUR.
SO THAT, THAT CREATES THIS, THERE'S NOT A VERY MUCH GAP BETWEEN A REGULAR, YOU KNOW, A STARTING CLERK AND A SENIOR CLERK.
BUT THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS NOT THE SENIOR CLERK PAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE BEGINNING CLERK PAY.
AND IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH LEAH, SHE WAS OKAY WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
SO SAY, SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN RIGHT NOW.
THAT IMPACT IS AROUND $118,000 LOADED.
SO, SO LET ME PROPOSE SOMETHING BACK.
SO I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF A 5.5% MOVEMENT, 5.7% MOVEMENT OF THE SCALE.
5.7 SOUNDS ARBITRARY, BUT THAT IS CPI THE LAST TWO YEARS.
CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT MOVES THE STARTING CLERK PAY TO 35,047, WHICH IS 92ND PERCENTILE AMONG PEERS.
ACCORDING TO THE RESEARCH THAT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER HITS A MIDPOINT OF 91% AND A HIGH POINT OF 94% BEING WITHIN THE 90TH PERCENTILE PUTS US, IN MY OPINION, WITHIN RANGE OF OUR COMPETITORS AND WHAT WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST.
YOU CAN DISAGREE, BUT JUST FINISH, FINISH THE THOUGHT WE HAVE NOW, AGAIN, I'M SORRY.
UM, DOING THIS METHODOLOGY, UH, PUTS US WITHIN THE 90TH PERCENTILE
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OF EVERYTHING.STARTING PAY, IN MY OPINION, IS ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR JOBS.
YOU SET YOUR STARTING PAY TO GET PEOPLE IN THE DOOR, TO GET PEOPLE TO SEND AN APPLICATION, TO GET PEOPLE TO BE INTERESTED IN THE JOB.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD CLERK OPENINGS, EVEN AT 31 3, IS THAT WHAT IT IS NOW? 33 1 33 1.
WE, WE HAD 50, 60, 70 PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THESE JOBS.
SO I I I JUST, I I, I JUST DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING WITH THE PAY THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A, A GREAT RETIREMENT PLAN THAN OUR FELLOW PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WANNA WORK IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.
AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIX EVERYTHING IN ONE BUDGET.
I I I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YOUR NUMBER, QUOTE UNQUOTE FIXES IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE CLERKS ARE ASKING FOR.
IT MOVES IT UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, IN INTO THOSE, IT'S ABOUT 20 PEOPLE, 25 PEOPLE SOMEWHERE.
IT'S NOT KAMI, DO YOU REMEMBER? IT'S NOT QUITE THAT MANY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MORE THAN IT IS MORE THAN 12.
I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN FIX EVERYTHING IN ONE BUDGET CYCLE.
AND I THINK THAT THE POINT OF STARTING PAY IS TO DO THAT.
AND NOW LET'S NOT MENTION THE FACT THAT IF SOMEONE GOT HIRED, WHEN I GOT HIRED, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE EXPERIENCED 14% RAISES JUST WITH THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
I MEAN, 14% RAISES OUTPACES THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.
I WROTE, I WROTE UP THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE AND IT JUST KIND OF BREAKS DOWN.
AND SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME START WITH THE, WITH THE LOGIC POINT.
WHILE THEY'RE BEING PASSED OUT IN 2016, THIS COUNTY, THIS COUNTY, I'M SORRY, IT KIND OF SOUNDED WEIRD OUTTA MY MOUTH.
UM, ROCKWELL COUNTY PAID AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO GRADE ALL THESE POSITIONS.
THEY WENT OUT, THEY WENT TO THE MARKET, THEY LOOK AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND THEY, THEY TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE OTHER COUNTIES DOING? HOW DO WE RANK THESE PEOPLE? WHAT JOB GRADES SHOULD THEY BE IN? IN THAT, IN THAT EFFORT, IN 2017, THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT SALARY STUDY.
THEN IN 2018, THEY GAVE RAISES.
BUT THEN THERE WAS SOME ADJUSTMENT DUE TO A COMP STUDY IN 2023, THERE WAS A 7% COLA, AND IF YOU REMEMBER, 20, THAT THAT WAS A RATE OF PRETTY HIGH INFLATION.
SO IT WAS DEFINITELY, PROBABLY, UH, MERITED, BUT THAT ENDED UP BEING 10% RACES FOR MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT YEAR.
AND THEN SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE DONE FIVE FIVE, AND THE FIRST DRAFT HAS FOUR.
WHAT WE NEGLECTED TO DO AS A COURT THAT, THAT I FAILED TO SEE UNTIL THE DISTRICT COURTS AND, AND, UH, THE JUDGE JP ONE AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS IS I WAS LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN HOW GOVERNMENTS APPROACH THINGS.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT I, I WANNA TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP FOR THAT BECAUSE STARTING PAY IS, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN RECRUITMENT EFFORTS.
MOVING THIS SCALE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS GIVING THE RAISES.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT WE HAVE NEGLECTED THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO I'M TRYING TO MOVE THIS SCALES 5.7% AND THEN, BUT STILL DO THE RAISES AT 4% AND THEN BRING UP ANYONE THAT IS, THAT IS UNDER, WHICH I CALCULATED ABOUT 40 GRAND.
THAT DOESN'T FIX YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT DOES GIVE FOUR, THAT DOES KEEP THE 4% RAISES.
THAT DOES MOVE THE STARTING PAY.
AND, AND IT DOES START US IN THE DIRECTION OF ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
UM, I REMEMBER THAT THE, THAT THE COUNTY CLERK POSTED, UM, THAT THEY'RE FULLY STAFFED.
WELL, THE REASON YOU HAVE STARTING PAY IS TO GET PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR YOUR JOB, TO BRING THEM IN, TO GET THEM RAISES, TO TRY TO KEEP THEM AND TRY TO HELP THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MOVING THE STARTING PAY THAT AGGRESSIVELY IS GOING TO BE A, AS MUCH OF A RETENTION PULL AS IT IS A RECRUITMENT TOOL.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE RECRUITING PEOPLE.
I, I, I SEE APPLICATIONS COMING IN.
I SEE AN APPLICANT PULL THAT, THAT WE CAN WORK FROM AND PEOPLE WANNA WORK HERE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, UH, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR ME.
AND, UM, AND, AND SO THAT IS KIND OF MY COUNTER ARGUMENT TO THAT.
NOW, THE OTHER COUNTER ARGUMENT IS MAYBE WE DO 5.7% AND MOVE THE SCALE AND THEN GO BACK TO YOUR ADDRESSING THE CLERK PAY.
UM, UH, AND, AND, AND THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR.
I I JUST, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF RAISES.
IF IF THEY GOT, LIKE I SAID, IF,
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IF SOMEONE GOT HIRED AND, AND WHEN, WHEN WE TOOK OFFICE, THEY'RE SET TO GET A 14% RAISE IN THAT TIME PERIOD IN, IN THREE YEARS.BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT HERE.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE NOT HERE, JOHN, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT, WHICH IS WHY THE RETENTION IS HERE.
WHICH, WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING GO TO THE SCALE AND MOVE THE SCALE, BUT, BUT, BUT MOVING THE SCALE THAT MUCH IS JUST REALLY HARD FOR ME.
IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, TO SWALLOW.
AND I, I JUST, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY.
AND, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, BUT THERE IS JUST THIS ONE GROUP, UH, I THINK WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED AND HAVE, HAVE KIND OF NOT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THIS COURT'S BEEN VERY GENEROUS.
UH, THE COURT BEFORE US WAS VERY GENEROUS WITH PAY.
IT'S NOT REALLY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S JUST LIKE THIS ONE GLARING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, UM, STARING AT US IS, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT, UM, ENTICING PEOPLE TO APPLY BECAUSE I, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE APPLYING.
IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A BAD APPLICANT POOL OR WE'RE HAVING THIS, WE'RE POSTING JOBS AND NO ONE'S COMING TO WORK FOR US, BUT WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE RETAINING.
WE ARE, I MEAN, WE REALLY ARE HAVING TROUBLE RETAINING PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS, IN THOSE TWO.
AND, AND THEY, AND THE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEFT, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE LEFT DUE TO PAY.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DON'T GET THE PAY RIGHT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A REVOLVING DOOR IN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS.
AND THAT'S NOT GOOD SERVICE TO THE TAXPAYERS OR TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THROUGH OUR COURTS BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY IN TRAINING MODE.
AND WHILE THEY'RE, AND I, AND I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAINING DEPARTMENT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
BECAUSE EVERY DEPARTMENT'S GOTTA BE ABLE TO STAND ON THEIR OWN AND OPERATE, AND THEY ALL PROVIDE A SERVICE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND, AND, UM, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT THESE, UH, THERE'S MORE CLERKS THAN ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE.
RIGHT? AND SO IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE'S FIRST FORAY INTO, INTO OUR COUNTY, BUT I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON THEIR OWN.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S JUST THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.
I MEAN, Y'ALL KNOW WHERE I STAND ON IT.
WHAT I WANT TO END UP AT, YOU'RE 35,000, OH, 47 IS THAT NUMBER AFTER THE MOVE AND THE FOUR THAT'S, YEAH.
SO, SO THAT'S MOVING, THAT'S THE TOTAL, YEAH, THAT'S MOVING EVERYTHING TO 5.7%, BUT FUNDING A 4% RAISE.
MINE WOULD BE DOING A 4% RAISE.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ONLY ONE VOTE, BUT, UH, BUT MY OPINION IS, IS THAT THAT STILL, THAT STILL, UM, LEAVES US SHORT OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, WHERE I THINK THEY DESERVE TO BE.
UM, MAYBE THAT MEANS THAT WE, UH, LEAVE, UM, WE DON'T PUT AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I THINK MOVING THE PAY, UM, WOULD BE PRETTY MOTIVATING FOR THE TEAM THERE.
AND WE, WE WOULD LIKELY SEE A PRODUCTION BOOST IN WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, BECAUSE THE MORALE THERE ISN'T GREAT, UM, AMONG THAT TEAM RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT COULD BE SAID FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, THEY'RE LEAVING BECAUSE OF PAY.
THEY'RE LEAVING TO TAKE OTHER JOBS SOMETIMES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT THEY'RE DEFINITELY LEAVING BECAUSE OF PAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE PAY, BUT I, AND I, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD, WE HAVE A GOOD, UM, INSURANCE PROGRAM AND WE HAVE A GOOD RETIREMENT PROGRAM.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE, UM, AT THIS POSITION AND IF YOU'RE A SINGLE MOM OR YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST THERE, YOU, IT, HAVING A GREAT INSURANCE PROGRAM OR HAVING A GREAT RETIREMENT PROGRAM IS NOT AT THE TOP OF THEIR LIST RIGHT NOW.
IT'S MAKING THEIR BILLS EVERY MONTH.
AND, AND, AND I I, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IT COSTS MORE TO TRAIN PEOPLE THAN TO RETAIN PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY POSITION ON IT.
I I BELIEVE THAT THE 35 0 47 IS NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT OUR DISTRICT CLERK AND OUR COUNTY CLERK HAVE COME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT.
AND I, I, I DON'T, BY NO MEANS, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE THIS HUGE PROBLEM.
UM, WE ARE A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WANT TO COME WORK HERE.
I JUST WANNA KEEP THE GOOD ONES.
AND, UM, I DON'T
IT'S GONNA GET SO MUCH BUSIER AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE SOLIDIFY THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
CAN, CAN, AND SO WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE PAY.
CAN, CAN I SHOW YOU SOMETHING BUT WE'RE HEADED THERE? YEAH.
I HAD, I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU REAL QUICK AND I CAN HAND IT OUT TO THE REPORT.
WOULD GRADE TWO BE AN OKAY SPOT TO MOVE THEM ON WHAT YOU JUST, WHAT YOU JUST SAW ALL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
I MEAN, YEAH, GRADE, GRADE TWOS FAN GRADE TWOS A GOOD COMPROMISE.
AND THAT WOULD, AND THAT WOULD KEEP, AND I'LL HAND IT OUT TO THE COURT IN JUST A SECOND.
I'M JUST ASKING HIM BEFORE I WENT
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ON THIS CCRA, I JUST, JUST OCCURRED TO ME, BASED UPON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHEN I LOOKED AT WHAT THE 5.7 SCALED, THE 7.5 0.7 SCALE DOES, IT MOVES GRADE TWO TO 37 8.SO IT'S, IT'S LESS OF A GREAT UPGRADE.
AND I'LL HAND THESE OUT, UM, HERE, I'LL DO IT THIS WAY.
THIS IS THE NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT, UH, THIS IS JUST WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE MOVED TO 5.7.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COPIES I MADE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, JUST THE WAY YOU SAID THAT MADE ME THINK, WELL, HERE, Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT I DID
THE, BUT THE, BUT THE WAY YOU THAT, THAT, I STARTED LOOKING AT THAT GOING, WELL, THEN GRADE TWO TAKES THEM REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO 38.
AND THEN YOU WOULD STILL HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN CLERKS.
YOU WOULD HAVE SENIOR CLERKS AT ONE LEVEL, AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER, THE, THE, UH, YEAH.
YEAH, IT DOES CERTAINLY GRANT BETTER SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE POSITIONS.
SO, BUT AGAIN, I I I, I MEAN IT'S GOING TO ALMOST BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY CLOSE.
UM, I MEAN, YEAH, THIS IS ABOUT LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OFF FROM WHERE I WAS, CORRECT.
I MEAN, SO IT'S $22,000 DIFFERENCE'S, NOT FULLY LOADED
SO, SO I'M JUST SAYING, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK I COULD SEE THAT LOGIC BETTER IN MY OPINION.
I'M, I'M NOT FULLY THERE YET, BUT I COULD SEE THAT LOGIC BETTER THAN MOVING THEM UP TO A GRADE THREE AND HAVING ONE GRADE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CLERKS.
UM, I, I, UH, I, I STILL THINK THAT DOING THE 5.5 PUTS US AND IT JUST, JUST MY OPINION, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT READY TO DIE ON THE HILL YET.
UM, I MIGHT BE BEFORE YOU'RE DONE TALKING.
BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE A, A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE.
BUT, BUT THEN, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UNFOR YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A, IT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
UH, I DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO DRIVE MONEY DOWN, BUT, UM, SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT STARTING THE CLERKS AT JOB GRADE TWO INSTEAD OF JOB? JUST SO GR JOB GRADE ONE JUST DOESN'T EXIST FOR THE, FOR THAT POSITION? JUST FOR THAT POSITION.
YOU START AT, START AT TWO, BUT IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT NOW, IT STARTS AT 35 0 47, IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? THAT WOULD BE, IF WE MOVED IT TO 5%, THAT'S THE 5.7% MOVE RIGHT NOW IT STARTS AT, UM, 33 1 3 1 59.
AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM? SO IT STARTS AT 33 9 OR THE MAXIMUM RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
IS, UM, A WHATEVER, 95% OF 51,000 IS BECAUSE I, I JUST MOVED THE SCALE 48.
MAXIMUM IS 40 48, 7 41, I BELIEVE.
WHAT, SO THERE, THERE'S POSITION TO MOVE THERE FROM, FROM STARTING TO MM-HMM
AND AND COMM COMMISSIONER STACY, I I WOULD BE GOOD WITH THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE DETAILED MARKET DATA THAT WE WERE GIVEN HAD, UM, THE AVERAGE AT 37, 6 34 TO START AT.
SO YOUR 37 8 51 IS RIGHT IN LINE THERE.
IT, IT, IT IS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
I, I MEAN, I LITERALLY JUST HAD THE EPIPHANY WHEN I WENT AND RAN THE PAPER OVER TO BOBBY IS GRADE TWO OF THE 5.5 SCALE PUTS US A LOT CLOSER IN LINE WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT THE MARKET IS.
IT'S STILL A PRETTY HIGH BUDGET IMPACT, BUT COMMISSIONER TAMMY, I GOT A QUESTION.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PAST THE, UM, SHEET YOU PASSED OUT A FEW WEEKS AGO? NO, I'M JUST HERE TO YOU.
UM, ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER STACEY PASSED OUT SAID THAT IN 2023, OR I'M SORRY, 2022, THE COUNTY APPROVED A 1.5% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND AUR ADJUSTED SOME JOB GRADES DUE TO A COMP STUDY.
UM, SO DID WE DO A COMP COMPENSATION STUDY IN 2022? WE DID A COMPENSATION STUDY, I BELIEVE IN 2021, WHICH IMPACTED FY 22 SALARIES IF I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
AND DID WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT? YES.
AND DID THAT EVALUATE THE WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE BY THE VARIOUS POSITIONS? I'M SORRY, REPEAT THAT.
DID IT, DID IT DETERMINE THE WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE IN THOSE VARIOUS POSITIONS, THE JOB DUTIES, IT TOOK IT AND CLASSIFY THEM ACCORDINGLY? YES.
IT, THE STUDY TOOK INTO CON CONSIDERATION THE JOB DUTIES, UM, FOR EACH
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POSITION AND THEN COMPARED IT TO THE MARKET, LIKE POSITIONS WITHIN THE MARKET.OKAY, BUT THAT, WAS THAT A THIRD PARTY STUDY? YES, IT WAS.
AND WE PAID FOR IT, CORRECT? YES.
HAVE WE DONE ONE SINCE THEN? NO, SIR.
WE, WE, WE'VE CALLED AROUND AND ASKED FOR NUMBERS AND WE'VE HAD LOOKED AT NUMBERS OTHER PEOPLE PROVIDED.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD EFFORT ON THIS.
I, ALL I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD THINK IF WE HIRE PEOPLE TO DO STUDIES, WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR WORK PRODUCT.
IS THAT, IS THAT IN, ARE YOU BEFORE THE INCREASE? IS THAT, IS THAT IN, IS THAT IN COMMENTARY TO, UM, THE GRADING AND, AND WHAT GRADES PEOPLE SHOULD JOB JOBS FALL IN? WELL, IT WAS A RELATIVELY CURT COMMENT.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS DEMAND FOR SALARY INCREASES.
EVERYBODY WANTS IN GOOD EMPLOYEES.
EVERY, EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COURT SUPPORTS OUR EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S OUR, NOT ONLY OUR DUTY AS COMMISSIONERS, BUT THAT'S A BIBLICAL OBLIGATION THAT I FEEL AS A CHRISTIAN TO PEOPLE.
BUT I DO THINK THIS, THAT IF WE HAVE A PAY STUDY, THAT WHAT, WHAT I APPRECIATED ABOUT THIS FIRST HANDOUT THAT COMMISSIONER STACY CIRCULATED IS THAT IDENTIFIED THAT IN 2022 WE ADJUSTED OUR COMPENSATION THAT THEN WE DID A COLA WITH AM MERIT RAISE, THEN WE DID TWO 5% RAISES.
AND NOW WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, LOOK, LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T DO A COLA, SO LET'S TAKE LAST YEAR'S COST OF LIVING AND LET'S ADD THAT TO THIS YEAR'S COST OF LIVING AND LET'S ADJUST ALL THE SCALES.
AND TO NOW TO ME, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING, AND I DON'T MEAN TO, UM, ATTACK ANYONE ON THE COURT OR CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO MAY BE LISTENING.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WELL, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY, LET'S NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE STUDY WE DID, AND LET'S JUST CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STUDY FROM A FEW YEARS AGO? 2022? THE LAST ONE WE DID.
I MEAN, MAN, IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT YOU CAN GO BY THAT SO MUCH CHANGE THE LAST ONE WE GOT.
BUT UH, YEAH, BUT CAMMI DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF, UH, WITH THIS ONE, A REALLY GOOD JOB, UM, OF, OF THIS ONE.
AND, AND THIS ONE SAYS THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS KIND OF RIGHT ON THE MONEY BASED ON HER FINDINGS.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PAYING FOR PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU ONE OF THOSE, OUR PEOPLE CAN DO IT JUST AS WELL.
AND I HOPE WE DON'T MAKE WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? ON THAT, ON THAT YOU AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WHEN I WAS TERRIBLE IN HEATH, WE HIRED A NEW CITY MANAGER AND THE FIRST THING HE DID WAS SAY, LET'S DO A SALARY STUDY OURSELVES.
AND THAT VOTE WAS APPROVED SIX TO ONE CAN GUESS WHO THE ONE WAS,
UM, AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT IF WE ARE SPENDING MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO DO STUDIES, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO 'EM AND LISTEN TO 'EM.
AND IF THE BIGGEST THING WE COME OUT OF THIS IS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO HIRE ANY MORE PEOPLE TO DO COMPENSATION STUDIES.
I'M HAPPY
BUT MY GUESS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN THAT WITH ANY DISRESPECT TO ANYONE WHO'S WORKING HERE.
OKAY? I VALUE EVERYONE WHO'S WORKING HERE.
I VALUE THE HARD WORK THEY GIVE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY, UM, NO, I'M NOT, I'M DONE
I'M DONE CLARIFICATION OVER CLARIFICATION OVER, IT'S ALMOST THREE O'CLOCK.
SO, UM, SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE AT LEAST ON BOARD WITH THE 5.5% MOVING OF THE CHARTS, WHICH I, I I AGREE WITH YOU, JUDGE.
UM, I DO LIKE KEEPING THE RAISES AT 4% BECAUSE THAT
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WAS WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.IT DOES LEAVE A FEW PEOPLE BEHIND AND CATCHING THOSE PEOPLE UP IS GOING TO BE ABOUT, UH, $37,000.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT MESS LATER.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND SHOW YOU WHERE ALL THAT CAME FROM AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL BUDGET ANALYSIS OF THE FIVE POINT, THE 4%, 5.5 MOVEMENT THAT STILL SEPARATES THE GRADE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE THE ISSUES BACK OUT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE COURT IS AT LEAST IN AGREEMENT SAYING, LISTEN, 5.5 MAKES SENSE.
WE HAVEN'T MOVED THIS CHART, WE HAVEN'T MOVED THE SCALE IN SOME TIME.
THE JUDGE OFFERED A 4%, SO YOU'RE SAYING 5.5, BUT YOUR HANDOUT 0.7, 5.7.
I, I WENT, I'M, I'M REALLY SORRY.
SO WE JUST TOOK THE, THE TWO YEARS OF CPI AND JUST MOVED THE CHART AND SAID WE HAVE DONE GOOD WITH RAISES, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE GOOD WITH OUR SALARY CHART.
WE ALSO GOT RID OF RANGE ONE, RANGE TWO, RANGE THREE, RANGE FOUR, AND WE JUST HAVE A STARTING RANGE, A MIDPOINT, AND THEN A HIGH POINT ON EVERY RANGE, WHICH EASES IT UP.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE US TO PASS A POLICY WITH RANGE CONTROLS, UM, OF 10%.
I SHOWED THAT TO YOU LAST TIME.
JUST ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOME CONTROL AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO, HEY, YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE PEOPLE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
WE'RE FUNDING THESE POSITIONS.
YOU, YOU HAVE SOME VARIANCE THE SAME WAY AS YOU HAD RANGE VARIANCES, BUT WE JUST TIE IT TO A 10% RULE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THE RANGES WERE.
I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, COOL, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA VOTE ON THAT.
WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
I'M NOT, MY PROPOSAL DOESN'T SAY WE FUND A 5.7%.
MY PROPOSAL SAYS WE FUND 4% AND WE BRING PEOPLE UP TO AT LEAST THE BOTTOM OF THE NEW SCALE.
SO I, I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THAT'S SAYING.
WE'RE GONNA DO A 5.7% MOVEMENT OF THE SCALE.
I THINK, WHAT WAS THERE 10 PEOPLE? I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
ANYWAYS, THERE THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE, EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD JUST MOVE UP TO THE BOTTOM AND THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GONNA HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT, UH, OVER AND ABOVE THE 4% RAISES, UM, CALCULATED AT ABOUT $37,000.
SO THAT'S THAT BUDGET IMPACT, THAT IS ONE ACTION THAT IS UNIVERSAL ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT WE WANNA REGRADE THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK BASED UPON THE 5.7.
I THINK THAT GRADE TWO ACTUALLY WORKS FAIRLY WELL.
UM, AND WE COULD HAVE THAT SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA SAY, DOES EVERYONE KIND OF FOLLOWING THE THREE THINGS THAT WE JUST TURNED INTO ONE BIG DISCUSSION? I AM FOLLOWING.
KEN, DO YOU HAVE STATEMENT QUESTION? SO KENDA, KBA, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, I WOULD JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE LEGAL CLERKS THAT ARE AT A DIFFERENT RANGE.
SO IF YOU'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, YOU'RE LEAVING OUT THE CLERKS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO THERE ARE SIX AND A HALF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PART-TIME, BUT Y'ALL, THERE IS A, ANOTHER CLERK.
SO SEVEN PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO, AT LEAST THIS NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
WHETHER YOU ADD 'EM, I DON'T, I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $4,000, BUT A PIECE.
BUT IF YOU ADD THEM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, ARE INCLUDED.
WHEN WE GO TO LOOK AT, UH, CLERK PAY IN THESE, UH, BOTH DEPARTMENT DISTRICT, UM, AND, AND COUNTY CLERK OFFICES, UM, ARE WE, HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT SUPPLEMENTING ANY OF THEIR, OR ARE WE ABLE TO SALARIES WITH RECORDS RETENTION MONEY? WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE'VE DETERMINED THAT'S A, UH, ACCEPTABLE USE.
AND MATTER OF FACT, WE FUNDED A POSITION IN EACH OF THEM WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEES.
SO I MEAN, THEY ARE BOTH REQUESTING THIS TO TAKE PLACE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS CAN WE LESSEN SOME BUDGET IMPACT WITH THOSE REGENERATING FUNDS? DOES THE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT CLERK DOESN'T HAVE NEARLY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE COUNTY CLERK DOES? THAT'S CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER, I SAY THAT MYSELF.
DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN THAT FUND? AND, AND HOW AND DOES IT REGENERATE EVERY YEAR ABOUT THE SAME? SHE HAS, SHE HAS, UH, LEAH, I SHOULD SAY LEAH, UH, DISTRICT CLERK, LEAH CARSON HAS ONE FUND THAT SHE HAS A PART-TIME PERSON THAT YOU ALL APPROVED FOR HER TO BE PAID OUT OF THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP MOST OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THAT FUND.
SO OF YOUR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT DOESN'T HIT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF OUR BOTTOM LINE.
EE EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO IT IN ONE OFFICE, WE COULD DO IT IN THE OTHER.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO
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BE ABLE TO DO GOING FORWARD OR WE'D, WE'D END UP EATING A BIG HIT AT SOME POINT IN THE BUDGET.IF WE DON'T KEEP GOING THAT WAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS, WHATEVER WE DO, IT'S GONNA REGENERATE EVERY YEAR, WHICH I KNOW THE COUNTY CLERKS FUNDS WILL.
THOSE ARE, UH, FEES WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOO.
THE COUNTY, BY THE WAY, WELL THAT'S 1.8 A FUND BALANCE, BUT I THINK IT GENERATES LIKE A FEW HUNDRED THOU, I MEAN IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN RECORDS FEES THAT THE COUNTY CLERK'S ABLE TO GET.
SO, SO MELISSA, CAN YOU GIVE US THE 5.7% INCREASE AND THE 4% RAISE SCENARIO SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT DOUBLE CHECK BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE? USUALLY THE PAYROLL SPECIALIST WILL DO IT, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY GET THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, I KNOW, LIKE I MEANT, RIGHT WHEN I WAS TALKING, I WAS LIKE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A TREASURER'S OFFICE THAT, THAT WOULD OKAY.
THAT AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE MOVE EV WE MOVE THE ENTIRE SCALE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAW, NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT SCALES, 5.7% AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S AT LEAST AT THE MINIMUM, 'CAUSE THERE'S EIGHT PEOPLE THAT IT WILL, THAT WILL BE BELOW THE MINIMUM IF WE WERE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE JUST NEED THAT KIND OF BUDGETED, I, I REALIZE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT TOMORROW MORNING, BUT
SO IT'LL BE THIS DOCUMENT YOU PASSED OUT, WILL THE 4% INCREASE AND I'LL EMAIL YOU SOMETHING MUCH BETTER.
THAT'S ALL CONCISE AND I'M PUTTING THAT ON MY TO-DO LIST.
COMMISSIONERS, I'M GONNA KIND OF QUIZ THE GROUP.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER BUDGET MEETING IN THE MORNING.
UH, LET'S CALL IT NINE MOTION.
I WANT THEM TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE IT.
I WANT THEM TO DOUBLE CHECK MY MATH.
I I I WOULD HATE FOR US TO VOTE ON SOMETHING AND BE OFF BY A LARGE NUMBER.
I THOUGHT THE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A MOTION TO ADJUST THE SCALES, THE 5.7%.
YES, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I I, I'M, I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT CALCULATED BY THE PAYROLL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NUMBER IS CORRECT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE $37,000 BUDGETARY IMPACT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE WRONG AND IT BE 50 OR 60 AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT.
WE HAVE TO UN VOTE ON THE PAY SCALES.
THIS, I THINK IT'S A PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE AT LEAST AGREEABLE TO AND ONCE WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE MATH, WE CAN, WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE AT A PRETTY GOOD STOPPING POINT UNLESS I HAVE ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO RAISE.
UM, UH, THAT IS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAD ASKED FOR A NEW VEHICLE AND AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT TO A LEASE INSTEAD OF A PURCHASE.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET SOMEWHERE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR NOT.
I KNOW I DID NOT APPROVE THE NEW VEHICLE.
AND, UH, THE HEAD OF OUR ROAD, OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS HERE, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN ME, BUT IT'S MY, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED AND THAT OUR EXISTING ACUTE EQUIPMENT IS NOT DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A LEASE OPTION WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE BIG MONEY UPFRONT, BUT WE'D BE ABLE TO LEASE IT OUT OVER FIVE YEARS.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK ERICA BRIDGES IF SHE'D COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN THAT.
YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE WAITING ON WAS THE, UH, LEASE CONTRACT CAME OVER SAID A THOUSAND HOURS.
UM, WHEN WE HANDED IT BACK IN, LIMITED US TO A THOUSAND.
THE SALESMAN SAID, DON'T WORRY ABOUT A THOUSAND.
THAT, AND I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON I'M, I'M REALLY SORRY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE WAITING ON CLARIFICATION UNTIL I TALKED TO MELISSA A. LITTLE WHILE AGO.
UM, YEAH, I HAD SPOKEN WITH THE DEALERSHIP AND THEY HAD INDICATED THAT IT'S BASICALLY A LEASE TO OWN OPTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND WE WOULD TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WERE GONNA TRADE IN AND THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE OVERALL PURCHASE OR THE LEASE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
SO I THINK FIRST YEAR WE WEREN'T GONNA BE LOOKING AT A PAYMENT, BUT THEN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS WE WOULD PAY OUT DEPENDING ON WHICH, IF WE WENT WITH A FOUR YEAR OR A FIVE YEAR TERM.
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HAD MENTIONED A THOUSAND HOURS A YEAR.BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THOUSAND HOURS ONLY REALLY AFFECT YOU IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO TRADE IN THAT EQUIPMENT.
IF WE DIDN'T LIKE IT AFTER TWO YEARS, BUT WE HAD EXCEEDED THE, THE THOUSAND HOURS A YEAR, THEN IT WOULD AFFECT US.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S USED MORE THAN, THAN IS TYPICAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
I WAS TOLD THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO BE CHECKING EACH YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT EXCEEDED THE THOUSAND HOURS.
WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING A PENALTY FOR IT.
SO IF WE NEED SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN WRITING, I'M NOT SURE HOW, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WE NEED.
I GUESS WE COULD TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
YOU LIKED AND I I WOULD AND I'M OKAY.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE, IT BEING ABOUT 40 SOME ODD THOUSAND.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
SO I WASN'T SURE WHICH ONE YOU, YOU WERE ON BOARD WITH.
YEAH, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I JUST HESITANT TO, TO AGREE TO SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE CAN ONLY USE A THOUSAND HOURS A YEAR.
GET TO THE END OF OUR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND UM, WELL WHEN WE'RE TURNING BACK THE VEHICLE THEN THEY, THEY SAY, ALRIGHT, YOU OWE US X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR, UH, EXCESSIVE WEAR AND TEAR.
THE NICE THING IS AT THE END OF THIS LEASE TERM, IT'S OURS.
I MEAN IT IS A LEASE TO OWN OPTION.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REALLY GOOD PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FROM ALL THE, ALL THE RESEARCH IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE TEND TO, SO WE'RE NOT TURNING IT BACK IN.
WE WE'RE NOT TURNING IT BACK IN, IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WHERE THE INTENT IS TO KEEP IT AS LONG AS WE CAN AND MAINTAIN IT.
AND CAN WE GET RID OF ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, SELL IT AND MAKE, RECOVER SOME MONEY FROM THAT? CORRECT.
IS THAT, THERE, THERE IS THE, THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT, UM, WAYNE HAD HAD DESCRIBED THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MOVE FROM ONE SITE TO ANOTHER.
UM,
WE ARE PROPOSING TRADING THAT IN AND WE HAVE A TRADE-IN VALUE FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT WE WOULD APPLY TOWARDS THE FIRST YEAR OF RENT.
SO, WELL, IF YOU COULD GET US NUMBERS ON THAT AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO CLARIFY, JUDGE, BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT WITHIN THIS BUDGET ALSO, IF YEAH, ERICA HA HAVE, DO YOU ALL OWN A, A LARGE ENOUGH TRAILER TO TRANSPORT THIS CURRENT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S YOU DO OWN? YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE ABLE TO, TO TRANSPORT IT NOW, UH, WITH A LARGE PIECE OF MACHINERY, SO.
UM, SECOND THING, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FEE AND I EMAILED YOU ABOUT THAT.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW LEGALLY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO? I, I, I THINK I ANSWERED YOU BACK THAT YOU DID THAT UH, THE TAX ASSESSOR HAD TOLD ME THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN APPROVED NEW FEE.
SO WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE, THE FEE IS APPROVED AND THEN WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION ON IT.
DO WE EXPECT THIS TO BE APPROVED? WE DON'T.
WELL, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE IF WE, IF LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IF WE CAN INCREASE THAT FEE, I THINK WE SHOULD.
UM, SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO AND I'LL GET WITH YOU.
AND JUDGE, I JUST HAVE TWO THINGS AND THERE FOR THE AUDITOR AND IT'S REALLY QUICK.
UM, NUMBER ONE, LISA, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TOMORROW TO BRING IN YOUR MAGIC SPREADSHEET ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FUNDING FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THAT, THAT WE CAN HAND OUT TO THE COURT? SURE.
IN THE MORNING? I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT NOW,
I'LL GO OVER IT WITH YOU BEFORE I GO BACK TO MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA BE WORKABLE.
AND, AND THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TYLER FUND BEFORE I WANT TRY TO TALK TO YOU TODAY SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE MORNING.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF I JUST HAD QUESTIONS WITH, BUT THAT'S IT.
I, I'M GOOD TO PICK THIS CONVERSATION UP.
I WE COVERED ALMOST 90% OF WHAT I EVEN HAD IN MY NOTES.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY DECISION ON THE DOORS IN THE BUILDING AND UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TRY AND MAKE A DECISION ON IN THIS BUDGET, WHETHER WE GO WITH SOMETHING OR WE DON'T, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO WHATEVER REPAIRS OR NEW DOORS OR WHATEVER THE RESULT IS, WE NEED TO
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DETERMINE IT NOW.SO WE'RE, HOW DO WE GET THAT ANSWER, DANA? WELL, WE CALLED, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY, I BELIEVE WE WERE GOING TO GET SOME DATA FROM, FROM BARRY.
'CAUSE HE HAD, IF I, IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY FROM THE OTHER DAY, UM, DID DID YOU CALL BARRY FOR THE DOORS? NO.
FOR WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION DID, WELL WE, HE YOU HAD SAID HE HAD HAD, HE HAD HAD SOME INFORMATION GIVEN TO HIM.
SO WE HAVE THE $130,000 QUOTE ON THE WOODEN DOORS MM-HMM
AND THE ALUMINUM DOORS ARE ABOUT 115,000.
SO, AND HE AND HE, HE LEFT THAT WITH US ON THE VERY FIRST TIME.
AND SO THEN, THEN THE QUESTION KIND OF COMES INTO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF 'EM IN, IN ONE YEAR, SO YOU COULD DO HALF THE ALUMINUM DOORS, THE OTHER HALF THE ALUMINUM DOORS.
DO WE WANNA LOCK 'EM? HOW, HOW DO WE, I I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT HOW DO WE WANNA USE THIS BUILDING AND HOW DO WE WANNA USE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, ONCE WE MOVE THESE PEOPLE TO BURYS DEPARTMENT, DO WE WANNA MOVE BARRY INTO THE ELECTION SPACE, WHICH IS, WHICH WILL GIVE THEM A WORKSHOP? I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S A FEW ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO, TO STOP DOWN ON AND, AND THINK ABOUT AND THE, AND THE USAGE OF THIS BUILDING, THE LOCKING OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, WE'RE DOING SOME VERY PRELIMINARY RESEARCH AND I, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, WE'RE THE ONLY COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT EXISTS ALONE IN A HISTORIC BUILDING.
UM, A FEW OF THE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS MIGHT HAVE A CLERK'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY TEND TO LOCK THE DOORS COMPLETELY, UM, TO CONTROL ACCESS.
SO WITH US BEING THE COURT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NECESSARILY A DESIRE TO PUT THIS BUILDING ON LOCKDOWN AND, AND DO THAT SORT OF STUFF.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT DESIRE FROM THE COURT.
SO THEN IT COMES INTO HOW DO WE WANT TO USE THE BUILDING AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ABOUT THE DOORS OF THE BUILDING? DO WE WANT TO KEEP ANY OF THE DOORS LOCKED AND KEEP SOME OF THE DOORS OPEN? DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY SORT OF CONTROLLED ACCESS AT, AT ANY POINT IN TIME? DO WE WANNA KEEP THE DOORS HISTORIC AND WOODEN, WHICH WILL EXPAND AND CONTRACT? OR DO WE WANNA DO ALUMINUM DOORS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY LAST LONGER AND LOOK LIKE THEY'RE WOODEN DOORS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO MAKING THAT DECISION.
AND THEN CAN WE GET ACCESS TO CONTROLS TO ANY OF THESE DOORS AS FAR AS AUTOMATIC LOCKING AND SHUTTING MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE POWER GOING ANYWHERE, SO MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO POWER THE HANDICAP DOOR AND LOCK THE REST OF THE BUILDING DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ENDORSING.
I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK WITH THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S A, THEN THERE'S SOME, SOME TO UNPACK WITH, UH, EVEN AS SIMPLE AS DO WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS MAINTENANCE, TAKING OVER THAT WORKSHOP SPACE THAT WE, THAT WE WERE AT LEAST SPITBALLING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO BUILD AND WORK AND WELD AND, AND DO, UH, DO ITEMS LIKE THAT FOR THE JAIL.
SO IT'S JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
WELL, IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO SECURE THE BUILDING, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE TAX ASSESSOR WILL BE LEAVING MM-HMM
IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO SECURE THE BUILDING, IF THE, AND THEY'RE NOT HERE TO LOCK IT UP ANYMORE.
UM, IF WE GET, COULD YOU ASK BARRY TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OR SOMETHING? I'LL, IF WE NEED TO, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO EITHER DECIDE YES OR NO ON THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY BIG NUMBER.
DO WE KNOW IF WE, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON ANYONE ELSE TAKING THE, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL EITHER ON THE NATIONAL OR STATE LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP ANY OF THIS SPACE IN HERE? NO, AND I'VE NOT HAD REAL IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS.
THERE DEFINITELY IS A REQUEST THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING REQUEST BY A CONGRESSMAN WHO WILL NO LONGER BE CORRECT.
SO, UM, NO, THERE'S, OKAY, WELL, THERE, THERE WILL BE NO, THERE, THERE WILL BE.
WELL, THAT'S THE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF INHERENT ON THE, THE REQUEST TO BURY AS WELL THOUGH, SO.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL GET ANYTHING BEFORE TOMORROW'S MEETING THOUGH, BUT I'LL SEE.
ANYTHING ELSE? NOT FOR ME RIGHT NOW.