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[A) INVOCATION]
RIGHT.WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
WE ARE CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING.
IT IS AUGUST 28TH, 9:00 AM 2025.
UH, THIS IS OUR BUDGET, SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING.
I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER LTE TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER GANA TODAS IN OUR PLEDGES.
DO I? ME, I THANK YOU FOR MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS KEY.
VERY FLAG SOGI TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR ALL HONOR OF THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, JUAN AND INDIVISIBLE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
AND I WANT THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COMMISSIONER LAUREN LICHTY, WHO THANK YOU, JUDGE.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU OVER THIS NEXT YEAR.
[1. PUBLIC FORUM: (This is the public’s opportunity to address the Commissioners Court about County matters. During this meeting, the Commissioners Court will not discuss, consider or take action on any item not included on this meeting’s agenda. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during the Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)]
IT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.THE PUBLIC FORUM IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
MR. CHRISTOPHER LYNCH, ROCKWALL COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, HEY, I, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING CLOSELY.
UH, THANKS FOR, UH, RECOGNIZING ME AS FIRST.
UM, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING CLOSELY THE BUDGET PROCESS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND TOUGH DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, A FINITE BUCKET THAT YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING YOUR HANDS IN FOR, FOR EVERYONE THAT'S ASKING FOR EVERYTHING.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT'S BEEN MADE HERE PREVIOUSLY WAS ABOUT DEPARTMENT HEADS BEING CREATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONNEL AND, AND, AND HOW THEY ALLOCATE, UH, MONIES THAT THIS COURT ALLOWS.
SO, UH, I WAS HERE TUESDAY AND WITH THE PERMISSION OF THIS COURT, UH, MINUS YOU, SIR, UM, WE TERMINATED THE AGREEMENT WITH EC, WHICH IN THE ORIGINAL FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET WAS ALLOCATED TO BE $54,000 IN MY MAINTENANCE LINE TO PAY TO THOSE FOLKS.
SO, TALKED ABOUT THAT COMPANY.
UH, THIS COURT BLESSED THAT DECISION.
CRAIG, CRAIG HELPED ME GET THAT LETTER OUT TUESDAY AFTERNOON THAT WENT TO SAN DIEGO.
UH, I'VE ALREADY GOT A RESPONSE, WHICH I, I OWE YOU THAT EMAIL BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, ENTERTAINING.
UH, WHAT I, WHAT I'M ASKING IN THE WAY OF CREATIVITY, UH, UNDERSTANDING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT YOU REEXAMINED THE THREE PERSONNEL, UH, CHANGES THAT I ASKED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT, UH, BUDGET.
AND THAT WOULD BE A SALARY OR ADJUSTMENT FOR THE UPCOMING FY OF A TOTAL OF $13,500 TO THOSE THREE, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT I IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO, UM, LOOK AT THAT AND HOPEFULLY LOOK FAVORABLY ON IT.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON ANY COUNTY MATTERS?
[2. Discuss/Act on the FY2026 draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New – Auditor)]
SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE FY 2026 DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.MS. MELISSA FROM THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WORKED ALL NIGHT LONG AND GOT US THE UPDATES BASED ON, UH, ALL THE CHANGES WE MADE YESTERDAY.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? WHAT CHRIS JUST BROUGHT UP ISN'T ON HERE,
THE, THE VO-TECH DECREASE THE VO-TECH SINCE IT WAS APPROVED DURING, UH, TUESDAY'S COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
I DID DECREASE THAT ALREADY WITH THE NEW EXPENDITURES.
SO WHEN YOU SAID YOU DECREASED IT, IT, IT'S REFLECTING IN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD YESTERDAY THAT HAD THE 476, 8 76, YOU HAD ALREADY TAKEN IT OUT OF THAT, OR THAT'S HOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE STARS MM-HMM
AND THAT, AND, AND SO SHE TOOK IT OUT OF THAT.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT WE'VE DONE YESTERDAY?
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'CAUSE WE GOT A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, ONE OF WHICH IS THE DOORS TO THIS BUILDING THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.CAN, CAN WE GO BACK TO THIS? 'CAUSE A FEW THINGS ADDED TO THIS, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT IS THE PROFESSIONAL FEES CIVIC PLUS, AND THEN THE TRAINING FOR CIVIC PLUS? 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THOSE.
UH, THESE ARE GONNA BE UPDATED FROM ELENA PER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT BRIAN CAME FORWARD AND TALKED.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY MEETINGS.
AS, AS THE SUMMER PROGRESSES, WE GET UPDATED AMOUNTS FROM MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS SPORADICALLY.
SO, UH, WE TRY TO WAIT UNTIL THE VERY LAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET, WE'RE PRETTY SOLID ON WHAT THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT'S GONNA BE ON MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
SO THAT'S, WHEN YOU SEE THINGS ENTAILED HERE, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, SHOWING THOSE AMOUNTS.
AND JUST SO THE COURT IS AWARE, THERE IS GOING TO BE A MEETING COMING UP WHERE IT IS JUST GOING TO BE PAGES AND PAGES OF, OF AGREEMENTS.
AND, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, A TYLER, UM, EXPO.
AND SO I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR PAGES AND PAGES OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
AND THAT MAKES ME, THAT MAKES ME VERY, VERY EXCITED.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, I, I REALIZE WE, WE JUST RECEIVED THIS TODAY, SO, SO JUDGE, IF WE CAN WAIT JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES.
UM, BARRY COMPTON IS COMING IN.
AND, AND HE'S JUST RESPONDED TO ME.
HE GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC AND HE IS ON HIS WAY IN TO KIND OF GIVE US AN UPDATE.
NO, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PROMPT THAT.
I JUST, I, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME BIG THINGS TO DISCUSS THAT MAY TAKE TIME.
SO I WANTED TO SEE IF WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THIS BEFORE.
DOES THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, IS IT Y'ALL'S PREFERENCE THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THESE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT CHANGES? OR THAT A WAY YOU CAN JUST HAVE THEM? YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN I WILL HAVE 'EM FOR THE NEXT DRAFT AND WITHIN THE NEXT DRAFT.
UM, I, I WANNA DO 'EM ALL AT ONCE.
IS THAT TOO CONFUSING? OH, OKAY.
I, I, I, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A MOTION JUDGE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS INCREASE OF PROFESSIONAL FEES FOR CIVIC PLUS CONSULTING.
ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCREASE FOR TRAINING FOR CIVIC PLUS TRAINING THAT WE, UM, APPROVE ITEM NINE FROM THE COUNTY TREASURER, WHICH HAS INCREASED IN THAT DATA SOFTWARE THAT WE, UM, GO AHEAD AND APPROVE ITEM 13, WHICH IS A DECREASE IN MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 14, WHICH IS A DECREASE IN SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS FROM, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
DID I GET 'EM ALL? I HOPE YOU DID.
UM, ARE, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
WELL, BARRY'S HERE, SO, UM, I'M GONNA WAIT UNTIL, SINCE YOU INTRODUCED HIM, I'M GONNA WAIT FOR MY ISSUE UNTIL WE, WELL, LET, LET'S SEE IF, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE THINGS WE WANT TO TRY TO WRAP UP ON THIS LIST? UM, WE HAVE THE SOLAR SURVEILLANCE TRAILER GRANT ADJUSTMENT.
'CAUSE YOU WILL SEE THERE'S REVENUE OF 14,000, AND THEN THERE'S THE EXPENDITURES AT THE BOTTOM OF 14,000.
WELL, I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP OFF THE SOLAR TRAILER GRANT ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE I FIND THAT REALLY INTERESTING, BUT UNLESS SOMEBODY'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON IT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT.
WE APPROVE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND FUNDING OF THAT POSITION IS HIGHLIGHTED ON LINE ITEM 11 OF THE SHEET YOU'VE SENT.
UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS NOW FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
AND, UM, I KNOW WE ALL, I KNOW WE ALL FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
IT'S A NEW POSITION AND I THINK IT WILL ADD STRENGTH TO OUR COUNTY TO ENFORCING OUR REGULATIONS AND ENFORCING OUR, OR THE, THE RULES WE HAVE TO, FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENTS AND JUST FOR DANGER AND SAFETY ISSUES IN THE COUNTY.
SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE FUNDING FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $115,511 AS HIGHLIGHTED ON LINE ITEM 11.
AND THEN I HAVE A, THIS QUESTION.
SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALANA, BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR
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QUESTION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.SO AS IT'S WRITTEN HERE, IT'S GONNA COME OUTTA GENERAL.
AND I WOULD RATHER IT BE OPEN TO MOVING IT TO FUND 51 IF WE FEEL THE NEED AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE, I DON'T WANT TO RELEGATE IT TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T HAVE TO.
WELL, CAN WE, CAN WE WAY, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO DELAY THIS VOTE AND WE WANNA ALLOCATE IT DIFFERENTLY, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT IS ALLOCATED, UH, IN, IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
IT, IT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT AS FUND.
WE HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL AND THE FUNDS COME FROM FUND 51.
DO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND? UH, I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO STILL, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH HOW IT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED.
WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT OFF OF HERE? SURE.
I MEAN, WHY IS IT ON THIS LIST? WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA SAY THAT VOTE MIGHT HAVE JUST MADE IT GET OFF THE LIST BY EVERYONE VOTING DOWN YOUR MOTION AND JUST KEEP IT IN FUND 51.
IT'S KIND OF MY, WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET IT.
AND IF WE HAVE THE, I KNOW THAT FUND 51 GETS BATTED AROUND AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLENTY.
AND I, I, I JUST WANT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT POSITION AND IF WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT, AND EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH IT BEING IN FUND 51.
SO AM I, SO I WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND, BUT, BUT THE ACTUAL POSITION WILL BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO MOVE IT OFF OF HERE AND PUT IT IN FUND 51 THEN? I KNOW IT'S ON THERE ON THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT IN HERE.
SO I THINK WE JUST INSTRUCT THEM.
DON'T WE TAKE OFF? YEAH, YEAH.
JUST SCRATCH IT OFF AND, AND THE SUPPLY UNTIL IT'S BROUGHT BACK UP.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
THERE WAS JUST ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD FROM OUR ORIGINAL, UM, BUDGET PACKET THAT WE HAD.
AND LISA, YOU MAY HAVE RESPONDED TO ME.
SO MY QUESTION, SHE JUST ANSWERED AND SAID IT'S IN THE BUDGET, SO I DISREGARDS THAT'S THE EASIEST THING WE'LL DEAL WITH ALL DAY.
ALL RIGHT, JUDGE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SOLAR SURVEILLANCE GRANT REVENUE AND THE SOLAR GRANT ADJUSTMENT AS PRESENTED ON THIS SHEET.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
UM, DID WE GET ANY ADDITIONAL DATA ON THE PHONE LICENSES? ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA HOLD UNTIL WE KNOW? WE KIND OF MET A LOT YESTERDAY, SO I DID NOT FOLLOW BACK UP WITH IT.
I I THINK WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER OF NEW EMPLOYEES.
YEAH, I JUST, I I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH THE 10,000.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KEEP IT IN HERE, BUT IF, IF IT, IF WE DO NEED IT LOWER, I, I JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT VOTE BEFORE, BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION.
'CAUSE IT JUST FEELS LIKE SO MANY MM-HMM
BUT THERE MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD REASON THAT I'M JUST NOT THINKING ABOUT FOR US JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
AND, AND HE MIGHT HAVE A REASON.
'CAUSE HE, HE MENTIONED STUFF ABOUT WHEN WE COULD BUY THEM, HOW WE BUY THEM AND, AND, AND, AND WE KNOW IT'S GETTING TO END OF LIFE.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE A REALLY SMART THING TO DO IT.
AND WE HAVE 'EM FOR THREE YEARS.
I'M JUST A LITTLE, I'M JUST A LITTLE PERPLEXED ON THE NUMBER.
BUT IT'S TIED TO THE NEW, THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF NEW EMPLOYEES THAT COME ON CAN'T, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA START TIED.
WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA START ADDING THEM LACKADAISICALLY.
WELL, AND I THINK PROBABLY FROM BEING PRUDENT, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD TRY TO AT LEAST GET IT WITHIN A PLUS OR MINUS OF SOME NUMBER.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, CORRECT.
WHETHER THIS IS, AND I THOUGHT HE RESPONDED YESTERDAY.
I THOUGHT THAT BRIAN DID RESPOND YESTERDAY AND SAID HE RESPONDED AND SAID HE'LL BUY 'EM AS NEEDED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY 50.
SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT IN A HOLDING PATTERN.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INCREASED SOFTWARE FOR CIVIC PLUS A DA AUDIO.
I THAT SOUNDS OMINOUS A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? ANY IDEAS? I DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
OTHER THAN IT'S A, A DA THING IT LOOKS LIKE, SO YEAH.
YEAH, BRIAN, BRIAN CAME IN AND, AND SAID, AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NEW A DA REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR OUR WEBSITE THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING ONLINE STATUTORILY.
AND THIS IS GETTING, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT COMPLIANCE ASPECT TO OUR WEBSITE.
DID I NOT CATCH THAT IN OUR, IN THE MOTION I MADE? BECAUSE I MEANT TO NO, YOU DIDN'T.
I, I, I, WHEN I LOOKED DOWN, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T THINK I GOT THAT ONE.
WELL, LET'S, IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLEAR THAT ONE UP.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN,
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BECAUSE IT IS FOR WEBSITE, UM, ACCOUNT, UM, DISABILITY ISSUE.SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCREASE THE SOFTWARE FOR THE CIVIC PLUS A DA KNOWN AS AUDIO.
I GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE IN THAT THEME, GO TO ITEM 12.
OFFICE SUPPLIES, PHONE AND UNIFORM FOR FIRE MARSHAL.
I DON'T SEE THE ENGINEER HERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING SHE NEEDS IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, RIGHT? IT IT IS ACTUALLY, IT, IT IS IN FUND 51.
THAT'S, THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA SCRATCH OFF WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.
SO WHAT I DID IS I MADE THE IDEA OF MOVING THE FIRE MARSHAL FROM FUND 51 TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WE JUST BROUGHT ALL THE EXPENSES OVER AND THE COURT HAS DECIDED TO LEAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL IN FUND 51.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT MY CONFUSION IS CAUSED BY YOU.
THEN I ASK THAT WE SCRATCH THIS.
I THOUGHT WE VOTED ON THE FUND 51.
REMOVING OPERATING OUTLAY IN, IN CAR WRAP, BUT IT'S STILL SHOWING UP ON THE SPECIAL FUNDS.
BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE VOTED ON THAT, MELISSA, YESTERDAY.
WELL, I THOUGHT WE KEPT THE CAR WRAP IN, BUT WE DID.
WE, WE WERE, WE REMOVED THE CAR AND WE KEPT THE WRAP AND I'M PRETTY SURE WE VOTED ON THAT AND WE CAN VOTE ON IT AGAIN, BUT NO, YOU ARE CORRECT.
I STILL WAS HAVING VOTED ON THAT AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SO, UH, WE WANT LINE ITEM 15 IS A BIG $200,000 SAVINGS.
HOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO, UM, SO THE AUDITOR AND I, UM, KIND OF NOTICED THE CONTINGENCY THAT WAS LEFT IN TYLER.
AND SO WE DID SOME AUDITING AND REALIZED THAT THAT CONTINGENCY IS REAL AND IT IS NOT.
UH, AND IT IS NOT TIED TO ANYTHING.
UM, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AND, AND WENT THROUGH IT, IT MAKES SENSE WHY IT'S THERE.
SO WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL TRANSFER.
SO IT DOES REDUCE THE TRANSFER INTO TYLER BY $200,000.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT JUDGE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE ALL TYLER TRANSFERS 'CAUSE THERE'S THREE OF 'EM LISTED HERE.
UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE ITEM 15, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF THE 200,000, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE THE FUND 84, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND AND THEN THE REDUCTION OF THE CONTINGENCY.
WE APPROVE ALL THREE OF THOSE.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY SECOND.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BY COMMISSIONER GALANA.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SO IT SEEMS, AND I'M, I'M, I'M SO THRILLED WE FOUND IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE LA AT LEAST THE LAST TWO IN THIS YEAR, THE THIRD YEAR, EVERY TIME AS I CAN REMEMBER, SOMETHING COMES UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TYLER HAS A NEW, A NEW, A NEW PROGRAM, A NEW MANDATE, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
AND, AND I KNOW WE HAVE FOUND MONEY IN, IN THE, IN, IN THE GENERAL, SO FORTH, FORTH, BUT IT'S OFTEN 20, 30, 40, 50,000.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THAT'S HISTORICALLY, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT I'VE SAT HERE, THAT WE'VE HAD TO, WE'VE HAD TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED.
AND, AND, AND I, AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, UM, UH, SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, LIKE THE $55,000 WE SPENT THIS YEAR WAS A DESIRE TO JUST GET BETTER AT USING TYLER AND, AND, AND BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT TO GET BETTER AT USING TYLER.
UM, THAT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A DISCRETIONARY ACTION OF THE COURT.
UM, THE, THE VOTE BEFORE THEN THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS THAT WHEN WE DISBANDED, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THE JAIL TO WORK.
SO WE WERE, WE, WE TERMINATED THAT CONTRACT, GOT A LITTLE BIT OF REFUND, AND THEN HAD TO SPEND MONEY, BUT WE ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY ON GUARDIAN, UH, RFID OR AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT, SHERIFF, I'M SORRY.
BUT WE SPENT MONEY ON GUARDIAN TO ACTUALLY PUT THE SOFTWARE AND SERVICES INTO THE JAIL BECAUSE TYLER COULDN'T DO IT.
AND THEN THEY GAVE US, UH, A PARTIAL REFUND AND THAT WAS KIND OF A WHOLE MESS.
AND BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY CORRECT, IT WAS A $40,000.
SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT, IT IS ALWAYS KIND OF OUR DISCRETION.
SO IF WE GET TO THE END OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON,
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TYLER, FIXING THESE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE THINGS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD JUST COME BACK.AND IF THERE'S MONEY CONTINGENCY OR DESIRE OR A NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO, TO DO SOMETHING, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE COURT.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE $200,000 SITTING IN THE FUND.
UM, UNACCOUNTED FOR, I WASN'T REFERRING NO, NO.
I KNOW 200 IN, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE A SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT JUST BECAUSE OF HISTORICAL EXPERIENCES WE'VE HAD.
SO IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, WE HAD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND UNLESS I HAVE OVERLOOKED, I THINK THAT CLEANS UP THIS SHEET TO THE EXTENT THE NEEDLE TO, TO THE EXTENT THERE.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE'RE STILL WAITING ON, BUT THAT, THAT CLEANS UP.
E EVERYTHING WE HAVE, UH, ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE A DECISION ON.
SO MR. BARRY COMPTON COMING UP HERE AND LET'S TALK ABOUT DOORS TO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
WE, WE, WE ARE WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT YOUR WATCH ALREADY? OH, OH, NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I WAS JUST SEEING HOW LATE I, I WAS AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING READY TO APOLOGIZE.
WELL, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LATE AT ALL.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS COURTHOUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE FUNDS AND NOT SURE EXACTLY, UH, TO BE HONEST, THE PURPOSE OF, OF THE COURTHOUSE.
NOT SURE IF WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS, TO NOT HAVE ACCESS.
WHO'S GONNA BE HERE, WHAT'S GONNA BE HERE? AND REALIZE YOU DON'T NEED TO WADE INTO THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT YOU ARE THE KEEPER OF THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DOORS AND THE EGRESS INGRESS, UH, UH, SECURITY.
SO, UM, I, I, I KNOW WE CAN GO WITH HISTORIC DOORS, WHICH ARE WOOD AND COSTLY, AND VERY SOON WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK IN THE SITUATION WE'RE IN.
NOW WE CAN GO WITH ALUMINUM DOORS THAT LOOK LIKE HISTORIC WOOD DOORS, WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD NOT PUT US IMMEDIATELY BACK TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WHICH IS WITH DYSFUNCTIONAL DOORS.
UH, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, HAVING, UH, AN, AN ENTRYWAY WHERE SOMEBODY HAS TO BUZZ IN WHERE WE'RE ON LOCKDOWN CONTINUALLY.
SO, SO, UH, A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL ADDRESS, UM, IN THAT STATEMENT.
UM, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME BIT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT CHANGING THE DOORS.
CHANGING THE DOORS DOESN'T SOLVE, UM, ACCESS CONTROL.
UM, IT TAKES CARE OF THE DOORS.
UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING ADDED, ADDED, UM, ACCESS POINTS TO THEM, SUCH AS THE PANIC BARS, IT WOULD BE PURCHASING DOORS THAT, THAT IS INSIDE OF THE DOORS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE MECHANICAL FAILURES THAT WE HAVE NOW WITH THE MISALIGNING, IT DOESN'T SOLVE BEING ABLE TO PUNCH A BUTTON AND LOCK THE BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN DOORS INSIDE OF THE DOORS? UH, THE HARDWARE WOULD BE INSIDE OF THE DOOR.
IT IT INSIDE OF THE DOOR ITSELF, I THOUGHT.
WE WERE GONNA PUT ANOTHER DOOR.
UH, WE WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE ADDED ON PANIC HARDWARE THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT A PART OF THAT DOOR WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
SO THOSE WERE AFTERTHOUGHTS, UH, DURING COVID WHEN WE WERE BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND HAD ALL THE DOORS LOCKED.
UM, WE NEED THE PUBLIC TO, TO HAVE EGRESS OF THE BUILDING.
SO THOSE WERE ADDED FOR THAT, THAT TIMEFRAME.
THE DOORS THAT WE HAVE, UH, QUOTED, UM, HAS THAT HARDWARE BUILT IN THEM.
SO THEY ARE MEANT TO BE IN THAT DOOR AND A PART OF THAT DOOR NOT ADDED AFTER THE FACT.
UM, AND PLUS, YOU KNOW, OUR EAST AND WEST DOORS HAVE, HAVE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE, THE, THE NORTH AND SOUTH ONES AREN'T SO BAD, BUT EAST AND WEST DOORS ARE, THE SUN HAS, HAS DEGRADED THEM.
UM, THE ACCESS CONTROL, WE, WE DID IN THAT SAME TIME PERIOD, IN THE COVID TIME PERIOD, WE DID HAVE A QUOTE FOR PUTTING MAG LOCKS ON ALL THE EXTERIOR DOORS THAT WOULD BE CARD ACCESS.
AND IN THAT TIMEFRAME, IT, IT WAS $50,000.
IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT TYPE OF ACCESS CONTROL, UM, IS THAT IT REQUIRES WIRING THE DOORS.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FISHING ANY WIRES THROUGH THESE WALLS.
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CONDUIT THAT IS VISIBLE AND IN MY OPINION, UN UNSIGHTLY.UM, SO SOME SOLUTION THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH IS TO PUT ACCESS CONTROL ON THE HANDICAP DOOR.
UM, THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH, IT'S ALREADY MOTORIZED.
UM, WE HAVE A, UH, AIR CONDITIONING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HERE, A BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT HAS AN ACCESS CONTROL FUNCTIONALITY.
SO WE WOULD JUST ADD IT TO THAT, THE, THE HARDWARE PORTION OF THAT.
AND THE PROGRAMMING SIDE OF THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $12,000 BEFORE IT'S INSTALLED TO MAKE THAT ONE DOOR, UM, ACCESS CONTROLLED.
MY PROBLEM WITH THE VESTIBULE, AS I THOUGHT THROUGH THAT IS THE HALLWAY DOES NOT HAVE THE TURNING RADIUS FOR A WHEELCHAIR.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN THERE AND NOT GAIN ACCESS, THEY'RE BACKING OUT OF THAT.
AND THAT'S GONNA NOT BE A GOOD SOLUTION THE WAY IT IS NOW.
THEY CAN MAKE THAT TURN ONCE THEY GET TO THE EL PASS THE ELEVATOR.
IT WOULD NOT, IT, IT WOULD NOT.
SO THAT KIND OF DID AWAY WITH THE VESTIBULE IDEA.
CONTROLLING THE HANDICAP DOOR IS STILL AN OPTION.
UM, IF, IF THAT WERE THE CHOICE, WE WOULD WANT TO ALSO EXPLORE WHAT I'VE USUALLY HEARD CALLED AN A PHONE.
I THINK THAT'S A BRAND NAME, BUT IT'S AN, IT'S LIKE WHAT'S AT THE WHITMORE BUILDING? UM, AT THE HR SUITE WHERE IT'S PRE-PROGRAMMED FOR, FOR DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST PUSH A BUTTON AND IT DIALS WHOEVER, WHOEVER YOU WANT IT TO, HOWEVER MANY LINES YOU NEED IT TO DIAL.
ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY, THEY PUSH A BUTTON AND IT RINGS THAT LINE.
AND THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE HAD AREAS OR SOME WAY OF YOU GUYS OPENING THAT DOOR WITHOUT GOING TO THE DOOR, UM, AND THEN
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA.
SO IF SOMEBODY WERE COMING TO SEE MM-HMM
COMMISSIONER LTE ON HIS BIRTHDAY, THEY CORRECT.
WOULD CALL HIM IF PAT, HE, HE COULD PUSH PAT GREEN WAS COMING TO SEE HIM TODAY,
THAT WOULD, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, THEN THEY, THEY JUST DON'T COME IN THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT, THAT TO ME IS THE, UH, LEAST COSTLY SOLUTION FOR THE BUILDING TO BE, UM, LOCKED DOWN, BUT OPEN.
AND OBVIOUSLY ON COURT DAYS, WE WOULD, THE, THE BUILDING WOULD BE OPENED AND, AND CLOSED WHEN COURT WAS OVER.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE COST OF NEW DOORS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ALUMINUM ONES WITH THE APPROPRIATE HARDWARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE ALUMINUM DOORS WERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 113,000.
AND THE WOODEN DOORS WERE MORE LIKE 140 TO GO BACK WITH WOOD.
WE, WE REALLY STRUGGLED TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO WAS WILLING TO DO THEM IN WOOD.
UM, IT'S USUALLY HISTORICAL, UH, RESTORATION COMPANIES THAT, THAT DO THAT.
AND THEY LOOK AT THIS AS A VERY SMALL PROJECT AND THEY'RE TWO BUSY WITH THEIR BIG PROJECTS AND THEY JUST SAY, SORRY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME.
IT, IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE WOOD VERSION.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO STAND BEHIND THEM EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE WOODEN DOORS.
UM, IT, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND THAT IS TO DO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SOMETIMES LOOK AT IT AS FIVE DOORS OR FOUR DOORS.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY NINE DOORS, EXTERIOR DOORS IS WHAT THE BUILDING HAS.
AND IF YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO THAT THE EAST AND WEST DOORS ARE AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE.
BUT IF WE REPLACED, LET'S SAY WE REPLACED THOSE TWO DOORS YES, SIR.
IT WOULD LOOK ODD NOT TO REPLACE ALL FOUR.
IF YOU WENT WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE WOODEN DOORS, I THINK IF YOU WERE GOING IN THE WOODEN DOOR AND YOU STAINED THEM TO MATCH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T, IF YOU SET THEM SIDE BY SIDE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THEM TO, UH, TO THE ALUMINUM DOORS, YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR STAIN.
SO DO YOU THINK, YOU SAID THE PRICE SERUM IS 140 FOR WOOD, 116 FOR ALUMINUM.
THAT'S ESTIMATES COULD, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO JUST CUT THE WOOD IN HALF AND SAY YOU COULD DO TWO FOR 70 AND THEY LOOK KIND OF LOOK THE SAME? YEAH.
IF IT WOULDN'T BE EXACTLY IN HALF, 'CAUSE THERE'S NINE DOORS WE WOULDN'T, THERE'S, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING, YOU KNOW, AN EVEN NUMBER.
BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU WOULD BE ACCURATE IN THAT.
AND THE NINTH DOOR IS A HANDICAPPED DOOR.
AND I WOULDN'T ENVISION CHANGING THAT IF IT WORKS.
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NO, SIR.BUT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT REALLY THOSE, IF WE DID EAST AND WEST, FOUR DOORS, FOUR DOORS, 70,000 PLUS OR MINUS.
AND WE'D KEEP THE KIND OF CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
AND THE OTHER TWO, NORTH AND SOUTH BASICALLY WORK.
I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF A PHASED APPROACH BECAUSE IT SPREADS IT OUT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.
SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE ADD FOR THE PHONE? A, I THINK IS A PHONE? A PHONE? UH, I DON'T, I I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID IT, IT WAS A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE IT WE'RE COMING RIGHT OFF OF THAT ELECTRICAL CLOSET THERE.
SO WE'RE RUNNING, UH, UP, UP TO THE PENTHOUSE TO, TO GET THE NETWORK FOR THAT.
SO IT'S NOT AS, SO CO COUPLE THOUSAND BUCKS FOR THE HARDWARE.
YOU SAID I THINK 12,000 TO UPDATE THE SOFTWARE THAT WE CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN I 70,000 FOR TWO DOORS.
I, I THINK AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE ROUNDING THAT NUMBER TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT TO, TO A SIX FIGURE NUMBER.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED AND CONCERNS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED WITH ALL REASON IS SECURITY AND THE DOORS NOT LOCKING AND ACCESS.
AND IF WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD, WOULD THAT PRETTY MUCH SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? I I THINK ONCE YOU START REPLACING THE DOORS AND, AND YOU GET THE INTEGRATED HARDWARE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ADDED TO THE DOORS, YOU DO START ELIMINATING THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, NOW I HAVE REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPTIONS FROM, UH, ACCESS CONTROL PEOPLE AS FAR AS IN TODAY'S WORLD, ARE THERE GOOD WIRELESS OPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ARE A, ARE OF A COMMERCIAL GRADE THAT WE COULD USE HERE? UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
UM, I'M, I'M AWAITING THOSE ANSWERS.
AND SO THERE, THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS.
I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, UH, THIS IS BUDGET SEASON AND, AND YOU NEED TO KNOW YESTERDAY.
UM, I'M JUST, UH, TRYING, TRYING TO GET ANY AVAILABLE OPTION THERE IS TO YOU.
BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT IN PORTIONS, UM, AND YOU HAD TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE ENTIRE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD BUDGET IN THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE TO ACCOMPLISH IT IN THE MANNER THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED.
DO WE THINK WE MAY WANT TO DECIDE THE FUTURE USE OF THIS BUILDING BEFORE WE SPEND ANY MONEY AT ALL? ONLY BECAUSE IF WE DECIDE TO GO THE HISTORIC ROUTE, WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER GRANTS.
WE, WE, AND IF WE GO AFTER GRANTS, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH OF THIS MONEY OURSELVES.
AND, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL GOING AFTER GRANTS, NOT GIVING UP OUR AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT WE WANT IN OUR BUILDING.
AND THAT FIRST STEP TOWARDS THAT GRANT IS, IS WE'RE GONNA BITE OFF SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY IN, IN, IN DEVELOPING YOUR MASTER PLAN.
WHILE THERE ARE, UH, SOME PORTIONS OF A, AN EXISTING MASTER PLAN.
IT WAS PRIOR TO THIS FACILITY BEING REMODELED.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER LTY HAS LOOKED AT IT NOW, THAT MASTER PLAN IS DONE IN 2000.
IT'S NOT, OUR, NOT MUCH WAS DONE WITH IT OTHER THAN THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT ON CREATING IT.
AND, UM, AND JUST TO DO A, IF WE WERE TO DO A NEW MASTER PLAN, I'VE SPOKEN WITH A HISTORICAL COMMISSIONER IN AUSTIN, THEY'RE ESTIMATING 150 TO 200,000 JUST FOR THE MASTER PLAN.
AND WHAT I'VE HEARD EXPRESSED HERE, I I CERTAINLY DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ALANI, IT'S, IT'S WISDOM TO NOT SPEND MONEY WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND.
BUT THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP YESTERDAY, AND THE REASON I'M CONCERNED WITH AND MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IT, IS NOT SO MUCH HOW IT LOOKS BECAUSE I'M FINE WITH HOW IT LOOKS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
AND IF WE'RE, WHEN THE TAX ASSESSOR MOVES OUT, THEN THERE'S, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT.
BUT WE'RE ALL, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, AND I KNOW WE ALL, WE'RE NOT HIRING A FULL-TIME SHERIFF'S OFFICER TO, TO PATROL THE BUILDING.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AS SECURE AND SAFE AS WE CAN REASONABLY BE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP.
NOW, I'M, I DON'T, IN MY OPINION, I COMMISSIONER, I DON'T THINK A, HIS HISTORIC RENOVATION OF THIS ENTIRE BUILDING IS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.
BUT WE DO NEED SECURITY IN THE FUTURE.
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ARE WE CONCERNED THROUGHOUT THE DAY? BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT ARE WE GONNA KEEP THE BUILDING LOCKED DURING THE DAY OR ARE WE JUST CONCERNED AFTER HOURS? BOTH.WELL, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO YOU.
BUT WE, I, I WOULD AGREE IT IS BOTH AND WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND I, FROM JUST WHAT I PICKED UP OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE GOT SOME DIFFERING OPINIONS ON THE COURT THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BRING TOGETHER INTO A UNIFIED DECISION.
BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT I THINK THAT AS PART OF WHATEVER WE DO, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE DOOR OPEN OR NINE DOORS OPEN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR SECURITY AND TO MAKE SURE THE DOORS ARE LOCKED.
AND, AND I THINK YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED THE TIME TO DEVELOP THAT PLAN, UM, IF WE WERE TO BUDGET TO GET THE ACCESS CONTROL ON THE HANDICAPPED DOOR AND TO POSSIBLY PUT SOME TYPE OF PHONE THERE FOR NOW, UM, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS NUMBER THAN WHAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, I, I THINK WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT FOR 20,000, OR THAT'S A NOT TO EXCEED TYPE THING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE OTHER DOORS, DON'T UNLOCK THEM EVERY DAY.
UM, IT, THE PROBLEM WITH THEM IS, YOU KNOW, THE HARDWARE COMES LOOSE.
UM, NOW GRANTED SOMEBODY CAN GO OUT ONE AT ANY TIME.
UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO GET, UH, OFF IN THE WEEDS.
IT'S JUST, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE THE DECISION OVER THE NEXT YEAR, TO ME, THAT IS THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THE BUILDING IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE WITHOUT IT BEING A HUGE EXPENSE.
WE DO HAVE A TENANT THAT IS IN THE BUILDING, AND SOMETIME WE MAY HAVE OTHER TENANTS.
SO I, I HAVE ASKED AMY NORTON, WHO IS REPRESENTING DIS THE DISTRICT, UM, UM, WITH, WITH, UM, REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON.
SO I, I DID GIVE HER A CALL, UM, AND JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS THEIR VISITORS THAT COME IN TO SEE THE REPRESENTATIVE OR HER OR HER DIRECTOR.
WE PROBABLY HAVE A GOOD 60, 70% OF CONSTITUENTS THAT COME IN TO SEE US.
MOST OF THE TIME IT'S ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, WHEN WE'RE OPEN, OUR SCHEDULE IS USUALLY PRETTY BOOKED WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE TO SHUT THE DOOR FOR PRIVACY WHEN, WHEN WE'RE IN THERE IN SPECIFIC MEETINGS.
AND SO SOMETIMES THE DOORS GET OPEN.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN ASKING WHERE JUDGE NEWS OFFICE IS TO GET MARRIED
SO, UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND SAFETY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE PEARSON DOES BELIEVE SAFETY SHOULD COME FIRST.
SO HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 2020, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S WORLD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONERS DECIDE TO DO AND, AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO, SO YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO AN ACCESS CONTROL POINT IF THAT'S WHERE WE DECIDE TO GO, THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, TO GIVE Y'ALL ANY, ANY PROBLEMS. NO, SIR.
HAVE WE, I KNOW THAT WE WALKED THIS WITH, WITH BROWN ONE TIME MM-HMM
BUT HAVE WE, BECAUSE THIS IS A, A, A SAFETY ISSUE REALLY.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
IT, IT, WE'RE SURE THAT WE'RE PURSUING THE BEST SOLUTION.
WHO, WELL, I, I THINK IS THIS WHAT BROWN SUGGESTED WE DO? I THINK DEFERRING THIS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR PREFERENCE WOULD BE.
UM, AND, AND FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA END HERE.
UM, SEEING THE TEA LEAVES, UM, AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
BUT A DEC NO OFFICIAL DECISION'S BEEN MADE.
IT WAS AN EXTREMELY INFORMAL DISCUSSION.
THAT MAINLY CENTERED AROUND VIDEO AND NOT NECESSARILY ACCESS POINTS.
BECAUSE WE ORIGINALLY, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, CAMERAS HAVING SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM BEHIND US TO MONITOR THOSE FOR SAFETY.
UM, SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE WE'RE KIND OF GOING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE WITH THIS TOPIC AND, AND THAT THAT JUST SEEMED, YEAH.
THAT SEEMED A LITTLE EXPENSIVE.
AND, AND IT WAS SAID, UM, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN, IN THE SECURITY OFFICER MOUTH.
IS, IS, IS CONTROLLING ENTRY POINTS TO THE BUILDING WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER USE OF MONEY OKAY.
THAN TRYING TO JUST PUT CAMERAS EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND, UH, AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT THIS FLOWS IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
BUT I THINK THAT, UM, IT HAS BEEN THE DIRECTION OF THIS COURT UNDER JUDGE NEW AND, AND WITH DANA AND, AND I BEING ADDED TO THE COURT TO, TO DO OUR BEST TO DEFER ALL
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SECURITY DECISIONS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND APPEAR TO THOSE BECAUSE THE SHERIFF IS IN CHARGE OF THE SECURITY.SO I THINK THAT THAT CON SORT OF CONVERSATION WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A 20 OR $30,000 NUMBER TO ACCESS CONTROL, THE HANDICAP CAN DEFINITELY BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET.
SO IF WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND WHAT TWO TUESDAYS FROM NOW, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING PUT INTO THE BUDGET.
IT DOESN'T GET US PAST THE LARGER CONVERSATION OF WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE BUILDING.
UH, BUT IT, IT DOES SOLVE IMMEDIATE SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, WHICH, WHICH WE'RE ALL FOR.
UM, WELL, AND I, I'D SAY, LET'S NOT FORGET THIS IDEA OF REPLACING THE NORTH AND SOUTH DOORS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK USEFUL LIFE, I'M SORRY, EAST AND WEST DOORS, MY APOLOGIES.
BUT WE TALK ABOUT USEFUL LIFE AND EVERYTHING, AND IF THEY'RE REALLY AT THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE AS WE WERE TOLD, THEN I WOULD THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
WELL, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE USED THIS.
WE, WE HAVE COURT HERE TWICE A MONTH, IF NOT MORE.
AND WE, THE HISTORICAL FOUNDATION MEETS IN HERE.
OTHER GROUPS MEET UP HERE IN THIS, IN THIS BUILDING, UM, EITHER THE ELEVATOR ROOM OR IN THIS ROOM OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE ARE MEETINGS THAT ARE HELD IN ADDITION TO WHAT EACH OF US HAVE WITH, WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS OR WHATEVER.
SO THE DOORS ARE, I MEAN, WE CAN DIRECT EVERYONE TO GO DOWN TO THE, IN, THROUGH THE HANDICAP AREA AND, AND, AND HAVE AN ACCESS CAPABILITY FOR ALL OF US.
BUT IT, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT WITH FELICIA, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF SOME OF US AREN'T HERE, I WANT, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT SAFETY PROTOCOLS AS WELL.
SO WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR THE COURT FOR NOW, IF WE ASK THE AUDITOR TO PUT MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO OUR REVISION SHEET, UM, FOR, UH, ACCESS CONTROLS AND HISTORIC COURTHOUSE DOORS, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AND IT DOESN'T GET LOST? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ONE OTHER ITEM THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US.
THAT'S THE IDEA OF A, UH, PART-TIME, UH, DEPUTY FOR THE CONSTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF DEPUTY'S THE RIGHT TERM, BUT, UH, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS.
UM, AND THE, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A GREAT CONSTABLE DEPARTMENT.
WE ALL KNOW THEY WORK REALLY HARD.
UM, BUT WE ALSO ALL KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT ONE DEPUTY CONSTABLE RIGHT NOW WHO WORKS REAL HARD AND IS NOT PAID.
AND I, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
AND IF SOMEBODY WORKS, THEY, THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID FOR IT.
AND IF WE'RE USING, RELYING ON THE GOODWILL OF, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING JUST TO SERVE THE COUNTY FOR NOTHING, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM.
SO WHEN I SPOKE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH CONSTABLE PARKS, UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT, YOU DON'T CREATE A, A POSITION TO HIRE A SPECIFIC PERSON, AND THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WE WOULD HAVE A PART-TIME CONSTABLE, DEPUTY CONSTABLE WHO WE WOULD BE PAYING TO DO THEIR WORK.
AND, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE RELYING ON ONE PERSON'S GOOD GRACES TO SERVE THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO.
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE SETUP THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND IT, AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TO BLAME ANYONE, BUT I, UM, TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS DO AS MUCH WORK AS THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL DOES, UM, FOR THE COUNTY.
AND TO NOT REWARD THAT WITH EVEN PART-TIME PAY IS, UM, AND, AND I GET WE'RE BUDGET CONSTRAINED, BUT NOT THIS, NOT SO MUCH THAT WE CAN'T DO THE RIGHT THING HERE FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL.
AND, UM, AND JUST FROM A, IN MY MIND, FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT OF AS MUCH WORK AS THIS INDIVIDUAL DOES, INCLUDING TRAFFIC, UM, IF AN INCIDENT AROSE AND IT CAME OUT THAT THIS PERSON WASN'T EVEN ON OUR PAYROLL, I GET THAT THERE'S A BOND.
BUT IF IT CAME, I, I JUST, I CAN JUST SEE HOW BAD THIS COULD TURN OUT FOR US, UM, FROM A PUBLIC, UM, MEDIA PERSPECTIVE.
AND I DON'T, I, I'D RATHER JUST GET THIS PERSON, IF THIS IS THE PERSON THAT'S
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CHOSEN FOR THIS JOB, UH, ON OUR PAYROLL AND DO EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT HAVE ANY WEIRD QUESTIONS COME UP ABOUT IT.WELL, AND LET ME, LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH A DIFFERENT TAKE ON IT, BOBBY.
UM, WHEN SOMEBODY IS A VOLUNTEER AND YET WE BEGIN TO RELY ON THAT PERSON, YES, I'M A VOLUNTEER.
HE JUST SHOWED, DOESN'T SHOW UP ONE DAY.
IT'S NOT 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT.
AND WE'VE, HE'S BEEN EXTREMELY DILIGENT IN HIS SERVICE, SO I'M NOT IMPLYING HE WOULD, BUT IT JUST LEAVES US KIND OF HANGING.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S REPORTING FOR WORK THAT DAY.
YOU GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S RE VOLUNTEERING AND WE JUST CHOOSE TO RELY ON HIS GOODWILL BASIS.
AND I, AND I THINK FROM A, A PRODUCTIVITY STANDPOINT IN THOSE OFFICES, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF SAID, HEY LOOK, WE, UH, THEY'RE BUSY.
UH, PARTICULARLY THREE AND FOUR PRECINCTS, THREE AND FOUR BUSY.
CLEARLY THE WORK'S THERE BECAUSE HE'S CURRENTLY PERFORMING SOME OF, A LOT OF THE WORK.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, UM, CREATING THIS.
AND THERE'S NOT, UM, A REASON.
WE'RE NOT JUST REWARDING SOMEBODY THERE.
THE WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE.
THE, THE, THE, THE TWO THINGS IS, IS THAT IT WOULD BE DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR ONE PRECINCT, ONE, WHICH IS YOUR PRECINCT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO HELP OUT HOWEVER THEY WANT.
THE SECOND THING IS, FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, ALL RESERVE CONSTABLES ARE AUTHORIZED BY COURT.
SO THE OTHER WAY TO HANDLE THE LIABILITY IS TO GET RID OF ALL THE RESERVE CONSTABLES.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M ADVOCATING FOR THAT, BUT THAT GOES BOTH WAYS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO A PART-TIME OR YOU COULD REMOVE ALL RESERVE DEPUTY CONSTABLES.
I, I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR RESERVE POSITION HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE HERE IN THIS COURT.
I, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE POSITION OF HAVING SOMEBODY NOT ON OUR PAYROLL DO WORK FOR US.
AND, AND, BUT CURRENTLY HE IS PRECINCT ONE AND WHAT, UM, CONSTABLE PARKS WAS REFERRING TO IS ONE FOR PRECINCT, UM, FOUR.
AND IT WOULD, HE WOULD THEN, WHEN HIS WORK WAS DONE, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT HE, WHAT HE SAID TO US THE OTHER DAY, THAT THEN HE, HIS, HIS, HIS PERSON WOULD, WOULD THEN HELP OUT OTHER PLACES.
SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE, I MEAN, IT COULD KIND OF BE, IT'S, IT'S THE FOUR OF THEM FIGURING IT OUT HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE WHAT CONSTABLE PARK SAID, WHEN HE IS DONE DOING MY WORK, HE CAN GO HELP THE OTHERS.
AND SO YOU CAN AS, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE TO PROBABLY ASSIGN THIS PERSON TO ONE PRECINCT, BUT CAN WE SAY THAT YOU, CAN YOU SPLIT THE HOURS BETWEEN TWO PRECINCTS, THREE AND FOUR ARE REALLY WHERE THE WELL, THE NEED IS, ISN'T IT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THESE TWO HAVE SOME NEEDS.
UM, CONSTABLE CHENEY, I MEAN, HE HAS A LOT OF THE EVICTIONS.
I MEAN, AND PROBABLY I THINK PROBABLY PRECINCT TWO HAS THE MOST EVICTIONS BECAUSE MOST THE BUT AND FOUR DOES, DIDN'T, DIDN'T TWO AND FOUR ASK FOR PART-TIME? YES.
TREY ASKED FOR A PART-TIME CLERK.
AND, AND, AND THEN RANDY ASKED FOR A PART-TIME, PART-TIME DEPUTY, DEPUTY.
I, I, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME ENVISIONING HOW TO SEE IT WORKING.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE I HAVE ALL BE, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S GONNA IMMEDIATELY BECOME FOUR PART-TIME POSITIONS AS QUICKLY AS IT CAN GET BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING FOR ONE CONSTABLE AND THEN WORKING FOR THE OTHER CONSTABLE.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ARE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A JUDGE HERE IN FIVE MINUTES.
STACY, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND BOBBY, MAYBE, AND I ARE GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK OUT AND WE NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR.
I MEAN, UH, ONE CONSTABLE STANDING UP AND SAYING, WELL, I'LL SHARE IT ALL.
OKAY, WELL, MAYBE THEY WILL AND MAYBE THEY WON'T.
MAYBE WE GET ALL FOUR OF 'EM UP THERE AND SAY, GUYS, EITHER YOU COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW AND YOU'RE ALL HAPPY, OR WE'RE GOING TO KILL THE POSITION.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STAFF IT EITHER.
BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, THE VOLUNTEER DEPUTY CONSTABLE DOES WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
AND SOMEHOW THEY'VE FIGURED IT OUT SO FAR.
AND WE NEED TO DOT ALL THE, I'S CROSS ALL THE T'S THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT IT HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME REPEATEDLY, THIS PERSON WILL SERVE ALL FOUR PRECINCTS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE WELL AFTER MY WORK'S DONE.
BUT IT SHOULD BE, THIS PRECINCT IS ASSIGNED TO ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, HOWEVER WE DO
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THAT.BUT WHAT, WHAT WE, THE SITUATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, TO ME IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND I THINK WE WE'RE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A PERSON AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT JUSTICE.
AND I, AND I THINK, LISTEN, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO MANAGE THEIR WORKFLOW.
UM, OUR JOB IS TO SAY WHETHER WE WANNA FUND THE POSITION OR NOT REALLY.
AND IT'S THEIR JOB TO WORK OUT HOW TO DO IT.
AND TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER LTI, IF WE COME BACK IN A YEAR AND THEY HAVE FOUGHT OVER IT THE ENTIRE YEAR, THEN WE DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
OR WE ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE DON'T MANAGE ANYBODY ELSE'S WORKFLOW.
I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DIVING INTO THIS POSITION AND TRYING TO MANAGE THEIR WORKFLOW.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
I, I I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT I'M MANAGING WORKFLOW.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT IF THE NEED IS IN FOUR, OR IF THE NEED IS IN TWO, THEN ARE WE SOLVING A NEED BY HAVING A RESERVE CONSTABLE IN ONE OR DO WE, OR DO WE PUT IT IN FOUR YEAH.
AND THEN HAVE HIM HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE ASK IS.
SO THAT WAS MORE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT I'M CONTROLLING IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, I I DON'T WANT TO, I WANNA SOLVE PROBLEMS. AND, UM, AND I DO AGREE WITH, WITH THE PRETENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU HAVE A VOLUNTEER, YOU'RE ACCOUNTING ON A VOLUNTEER, THE VOLUNTEER'S DOING A BUNCH OF WORK.
UM, I ALSO AGREE THAT A $27,000 CAN'T BE FOUND IN THIS BUDGET.
'CAUSE THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE'RE THE GOING RATE FOR A PART-TIME PERSON IS MM-HMM
UM, I, UH, I, I DO DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY HAVE ANOTHER CAR.
I I, I THINK THAT I, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED ANOTHER POOL CAR.
SO IF WE, IF WE HAD A PART-TIME PERSON, THEY COULD USE THAT CAR, UM, WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT.
I, I JUST, I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE THAT IT HAS A LOT OF VARYING WORKFLOWS AND IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF, IF, IF THERE COULD BE A PERSON, I MEAN, KIND OF LIKE HOW WE DO, UH, YOU KNOW, FELICIA AS A COURT ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE COURT, THAT WE ALL CAN KIND OF GO TO THAT PERSON AND, AND, AND, AND, AND HELP MOVE THINGS AROUND.
UM, SO THE STRUCTURE JUST MAKES ME NERVOUS.
I'M NOT SAYING I CAN'T GET OVER IT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY I WANNA MANAGE IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IT MAKES ME NERVOUS BECAUSE THAT PERSON WORKING FOR PRECINCT FOUR, THEY COULD DO PRECINCT FOUR WORK AND NOT HELP ANYBODY ELSE OUT.
AND, AND, AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, I KIND OF AGREE WITH, WITH THAT, HEY, THIS IS THE EDICT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
LET'S BE VERY CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT OF THIS IS THE GOAL.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THAT IDEA, BUT NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO MANAGE THE WORKFLOW.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. IF THE PROBLEMS ARE IN A COUPLE OF PRECINCTS, HAVING ONE PART-TIME PERSON DOESN'T DIRECTLY RESOLVE BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, THE, IN THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE BUDGET, AND I DON'T THINK IT MADE IT TO THE ACTUAL COPY THAT YOU GUYS SAW, BUT, UH, I WRESTLED WITH, WITH THIS EXACT SCENARIO OF HOW TO HELP ALL OF THE CONSTABLES WITH, WITH ONE PERSON.
AND I CAME UP WITH A CLERK, AND THEN THE, THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM WAS, WHO DO I PUT THE CLERK UNDER? AND EVEN IF I PUT IT UNDER A JP, IT STILL, IT WORKS FOR THAT PRECINCT.
SO MY IDEA WAS TO PUT THE CLERK IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND HAVE THEM RESPONSIBLE TO THE COUNTY CLERK, BUT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EBB AND FLOW OF PAPERWORK FOR ALL OF THE CONSTABLES.
UH, AND, AND I TALKED WITH JENNIFER AND, AND SHE WAS OKAY WITH IT.
AND WE EVEN CAME UP WITH A JOB DESCRIPTION.
UH, SO I'M NOT SO SURE WE CAN'T DO, WHILE, WHILE THIS IS NOT A CLERK POSITION, I'M NOT SO SURE WE CAN'T DO THE SAME THING.
I MEAN, COULDN'T WE PUT THIS PERSON UNDERNEATH THE SHERIFF OR SOMEBODY ELSE CARRY THEIR CERTIFICATION OR I, I, I, I JUST WORRY.
I I KNOW I, I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS WORLD LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN YOU SHARE AN EMPLOYEE, I KNOW THEY WORK FOR ONE PERSON AND THEN THEY HELP THE OTHERS WHENEVER THEY, THEY WHEN THEY CAN.
SO THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT.
AND WE, WE WOULD BE SWIMMING UPSTREAM TO, TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
AND WE, WE HAVE TO PUT THEM UNDER ONE SPECIFIC PERSON.
WE, WE CAN'T DIVVY THE HOURS AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT 13 AND YOU'VE GOT 13 HOURS OF THIS PERSON.
CAN WE DO THAT? OR NO? I, I, I, IT'S KIND OF WHAT DANA'S CONCEPT WAS.
IF FUNDED IN, IN THE DIFFERENT I PRECINCTS, BUT I'M GONNA FUND IT ACROSS THE PRECINCT THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE HIM.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY, IF WE CAN DO THAT EITHER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY EVEN WORKS, BECAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T, WELL, SOMEBODY CARRIES THEIR CERTIFICATION, THE ONE YOU'VE ALREADY SAID, HE IS WORKING, THE CURRENT ONE IS WORKING FOR EVERY DIFFERENT PRECINCT.
I LOVE THE GENIUS OF YOUR COMMENT, BOBBY.
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BECAUSE WHAT'S PART-TIME, RIGHT? WHY, WHY, IF, WHY ISN'T PART-TIME FOR PRECINCT ONE EIGHT HOURS A WEEK PRECINCT, TWO EIGHT HOURS A WEEK PRECINCT, THREE EIGHT HOURS A WEEK PRECINCT, FOUR, EIGHT HOURS A WEEK? WELL, WHAT'S PART-TIME? PART-TIME IS WHAT WE DEFINE IT AS.WE'RE WE'RE, LET'S NOT FOCUS ON THIS TREE.
AND PART-TIME IS WHATEVER WE MAKE IT, WE COULD GIVE A PART-TIME EM, UH, EMPLOYEE TO EACH CONSTABLE AND TELL 'EM THEY'RE LIMITED TO SEVEN HOURS A WEEK.
AND THAT IS BEING DONE ALREADY IN THE, IN THE, IN, IN OUR, IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S BEING DONE IN THE JUVENILE SERVICES GROUP.
THEY HAVE A PART-TIME PERSON THAT WORKS, I THINK SEVEN, EIGHT HOURS A WEEK.
THAT, I MEAN, THAT MAY BE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO LET LET THE, LET THE CONSTABLES TO, TO DIVVY UP.
AND IF SOMEBODY, THEY HAVE TO BE KEONE CERTIFIED IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T GET ALONG, WHICH I THINK THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO, BUT IF THEY DON'T, THEN UH, CONSTABLE ONE SAYS, HEY, YOU, YOU OWE ME SIX HOURS THIS WEEK, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, YOU BETTER GIVE IT TO ME.
AND CONSTABLE TWO SAYS THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE GONNA WORK IT ALL OUT.
BUT THIS WAY WE HAVE A LEGAL TRAIL TO EACH PRECINCT, AND EACH CONSTABLE HAS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE.
IT'S JUST LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF HOURS.
NOW, THERE, THERE IS, WHILE WE DO GET TO DEFINE WHAT IS PART-TIME, THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL GUIDELINES OF
WHAT IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T SAY, ALL RIGHT, PART-TIME, PART-TIME, PART-TIME.
WELL, YOU'RE REALLY FULL-TIME, BUT WE'RE JUST DIVVYING YOU UP PART-TIME AND YEAH.
WELL, THE PART-TIME FOR THE FEDERAL HOURS IS WHAT THAT GUY WORKS.
BUT THERE'S A GUIDELINE WE HAVE TO BE UNDER.
DO YOU KNOW THE 27? WELL, OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES DON'T AVERAGE MORE THAN 27 HOURS PER WEEK, BECAUSE IF A PERSON AVERAGES 30 HOURS PER WEEK, THEY'RE CONSIDERED FULL-TIME.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM BENEFITS.
SO THEY HAVE TO AVERAGE BELOW 30 HOURS PER WEEK.
SO WE GOT FOUR PRECINCTS, UM, SEVEN HOURS TIMES FOUR, I THINK IS 28.
IF I CAN STILL DO MY MATH RIGHT.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T GET OURSELVES INTO ANY ISSUES, I'M, I'M OKAY JUST FILLING THE CONSTABLES HERE.
UH, AND THEN WHATEVER THEY END UP WORKING, THEY END UP, THEY CAN WORK, WORK IT OUT, THEY'RE GONNA WORK.
AND NOW, UH, AND I WOULD SAY WE EVEN GO SO FAR AS LET THEM PICK WHO THAT IS.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED AND DECIDING WHO THAT IS I AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, AND IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON FOR MORE THAN ONE, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
SO HOW DO WE WRITE THAT INTO THE BUDGET
SO I DON'T WHY NOT? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TREASURE, OKAY.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SO FIGURE IT OUT.
I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN THAT UGLY BUT ME.
I WAS HERE WHERE TREASURE WENT.
I MAYBE IF WE MOVED OUTTA PAPER.
MAYBE IF WE DIDN'T DO PAPER TIME CARDS, IT MIGHT BE EASIER.
SORRY, I JUST HAD TO, AND HE'S NOT IN HERE, BUT EVEN IF HE WAS, I WOULD'VE SAID THAT.
I APOLOGIZE, CAMMY, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR COMMENT.
I, I, I GUESS I'M, I MUST BE GETTING OLD OR SOMETHING.
LET'S SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND MM-HMM
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU JUST CREATE ANOTHER LINE ITEM HERE.
PETE, I WAS PICKING ON YOU WHEN YOU WERE GONE.
AND WE HAVE A QUESTION AS I LOOK HERE.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AN UNANTICIPATED.
DO YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO HIRE A PART-TIME PERSON, BUT WE WANTED TO PAY THEM OUT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, IF THAT WAS DOABLE, IT'S DOABLE.
IT MAY BE A CUMBERSOME, WE HAVE PAID EMPLOYEES IN THE PAST OUTTA TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS.
WE COULD WORK THROUGH THAT ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
I MEAN, I JUST, MORE BURDENSOME.
I MEAN, IT, IT, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE PEAK ISS IT, IT'S SOME POINT ON THE CONTINUUM.
RIGHT? EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT
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LINE WHERE THEY DRAW ABSURD.BUT IT COULD BE DONE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE THOSE COSTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE PRECINCT WOULD BE SIMPLER FOR SURE.
IS THERE A BETTER WAY? THAT'S, I'M SURE THERE IS, BUT WE LIKE TO COMPLICATE THINGS SOMETIMES.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? YES.
HOW ABOUT WE, HOW ABOUT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A PART-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE, UM, FOR UP TO SEVEN HOURS PER PRECINCT.
DO WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THE PAY? HANG ON, HANG ON.
I WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR A SECOND.
DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE PAY? IS IT ALMOST ALWAYS $15 AN HOUR FOR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES? NO, SIR.
FOR A DEPUTY IT'S $35 AN HOUR.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOADED COST OF 58,977 AT 27 HOURS PER WEEK.
AND, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A PART-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR UP TO SEVEN HOURS, UM, PER WEEK PER PRECINCT AT A COST OF $35 PER HOUR.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE.
IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
NOW WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? WELL, CAN, CAN, CAN I JUST, CAN WE TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, IF THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER PERSON NOW THAT'S WORKING AND HELPING THEM AND WE KNOW THAT EACH OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE GROWING, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO AS FAR AS ADDRESSING, UM, A CLERK? 'CAUSE YOU HAD SAID YOU'D PUT IT IN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF PUT IN THERE AT ONE TIME.
SO THERE'S GONNA, I MEAN, WE KNOW THE WORK IS THERE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYONE THAT'S HELPING NA, CLERICAL SUPPORT ROLE FOR THE CONSTABLES.
DO, ARE THEY DOING IT THEMSELVES OR ARE THE JPS CLERKS HELPING THEM? UH, YEAH, THE JP CLERK SHOULD BE HELPING THEM.
I, I KNOW THEY, THEY ARE SOME OF THE TIME.
AND IF WE ADD AN ADDITIONAL, WE'RE ADDING A JP CLERK SOMEWHERE, AREN'T WE? TWO OF THEM THAT'S, YEAH.
SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP, UM, WITH THAT ADMINISTRATOR.
I AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION AT, AT, AT LEAST LET'S, THAT WORKS FOR ME.
IF WE CAN, WE JUST, I, WE JUST NEED TO VISIT WITH THE CONSTABLES AND THE, THE J WHOEVER THE JP WHAT, WHATEVER PRECINCT THAT IS GOING TO BE.
AND I THINK IT WAS FOUR THAT WE, WE SAID YESTERDAY, BUT THREE AND FOUR.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS.
ALRIGHT, WHAT ELSE? WE'RE KNOCKING STUFF OUT HERE.
NO, UM, WE, WE, WE SAVED MONEY AND THEN WE, WE, WE IT RIGHT BACK.
WE SHOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM THE TABLE WHILE WE HAD OUR MONEY.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT FULLY FUNDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE ARE TAKING A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF FUND BALANCE OF FUND 51.
AND THAT'S PUTTING A CONTINGENCY OF WHAT? $709,000.
AND, AND THAT WHAT I SAW, HOLD ON.
I, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOUR FLOW HERE, BUT DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT A, A, A PAPER YOU, YOU'VE, WHERE YOU GOT THIS ALL LAID OUT? 'CAUSE I HAVE TROUBLE FOLLOWING ALL THE NUMBERS.
AND I DON'T MEAN WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT WITHOUT THAT, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING, IT'D BE HELPFUL.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE COPIES? I'LL HAVE ANY COPIES? NO, BUT I CAN GO.
SO, SO THAT DEVELOPS A CONTINGENCY OF $789,000 IN FUND 51.
UM, AND, AND SHE'S GONNA MAKE COPIES.
SO JUST GIMME JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS CURRENTLY NEEDING $1.8 MILLION AND, AND I'M USING A FAIRLY ROUND NUMBER.
MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS WOULD BE TO GET THAT FUND BALANCE INCREASE UP SO THAT 800,000 CAN COME FROM FUND 51 AND THEN THE MILLION COMES FROM FUND BALANCE.
SO I HAVE A, JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THE PAPERWORK.
SO THE 1.8 MILLION, IS THAT TO COMPLETE THE JOB OR IS THAT JUST TO GET US TO THE NEXT PHASE? NO, THAT IS PHASE 2, 3 4.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S 1.8 MILLION IS WHAT WE NEED TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE FOR THE SHERIFF.
AND THE 700,000 IN CONTINGENCY FOR FUND 51,
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IS THAT ACTUALLY IN CONTINGENCY OR IS THAT JUST THE FUND BALANCE? NO, NO.THE FUND BALANCE IS 1.4 MILLION.
WE'RE MOVING A MILLION OVER, WHICH IS CREATING A $789,000 CONT CONTINGENCY IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
THAT NUMBER IS WITH FURNITURE FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT.
AND SOFT AND SOFT COST AND SOFT COST AND SOFT COST AMMO, TASERS,
SO, SO WHAT, UM, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FUND BALANCE AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE $200,000 IN CONTRACT SERVICES.
SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY KIND OF DIVIDE THAT BETWEEN A CONTINGENCY IF WE WANTED TO, WHICH TO ME IS JUST MORE JUST ACCOUNTING THAT'S UNNECESSARY.
UM, BUT, AND IF WE WANTED A CONTINGENCY, THEN MAYBE WE COULD MOVE 1.3 AND PUT 30 TO $50,000 IN CONTINGENCY.
SO I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FUND 51 IN PARTICULAR.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DRAIN 1 51, DO WE WANNA LEAVE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY AS A WHOLE? I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT QUESTION ON THE TABLE IF WE WANNA DO THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS, THAT WE MOVE THAT MONEY INTO THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT.
WE TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS OF FUND BALANCE AND MOVE IT INTO THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT AND, AND THEN WE FUND IT.
HAVE WE PAID OUR, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS? SO WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY.
THAT, THAT STILL COVERS YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT THE 200,000 IN CONTRACT SERVICES IS FOR THE, UH, THAT ROAD.
I KNOW, I, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WE NEED, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE MIGHT NEED TO, IF WE WANTED SOME CONTINGENCY, ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, WE MIGHT HAVE TO PULL A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE TO GET A CONTING OH, 51.
AND SO IF WE WANTED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS CONTINGENCY, THEN YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO PULL 1.2.
UM, KIND OF THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M WANT, WHAT I WANT US TO DISCUSS.
WE COULD DO THE WHOLE 1.8 FROM FUND BALANCE AND LEAVE FUND 51 ALONE.
THAT IS ALSO A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY.
MY POINT IS, IS THAT I WANNA FUND IT.
I I I, I WANT, I WANNA FUND THE PROJECT, FINISH THE PROJECT.
IT'S SET TO BE DONE BEFORE THE NEXT FY BUDGET.
AND, AND I WANT TO USE FUND 51.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE GROWING AND, AND WE JUST HAVE PEOPLE CIRCLING IT.
I MEAN, I'M A FAN OF USING ALL THE FUNDS WE CAN GET TO REDUCE TAX RATE.
SO SHE'S COMING, SHE'S COMING DOWN THE LINE AND SAY THAT.
HARD TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BOBBY.
DROP IT DOWN AND I AM SMILING.
YOU CAN SMILE ON YOUR BIRTHDAY.
UM, AND SO, SO KIND OF WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING IS, AND AND, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO 100% VOTE ON THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN TRY TO BUILD THIS IN, OR MAYBE WE DO VOTE ON IT.
I'M, I, I'M TOTALLY COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
UM, IS GETTING THE CONTINGENCY AND FUND 51 TO 200,000 BRINGING ENOUGH OVER, SO WE CAN TAKE $800,000 AND PUT IT INTO THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT REMODEL TO GET IT DOWN TO A MILLION DOLLARS DIFFERENCE AND THEN TAKE THAT MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE THIS COURT TO CONSIDER FOR THE FY BUDGET.
AND THAT'S USING HALF OF FUND 51.
SO IT'S STILL LEAVING SOME SORT OF BALANCE IN FUND 51, BUT NOT 1.4 MILLION.
IT'D BE LEAVING TWO OR 300,000 IN FUND BALANCE.
UM, SO THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE SHEET YOU PASSED OUT.
THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL IS 7.204, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA DO ALL THREE PHASES? YES.
WE'VE GOT 805 FROM THE BONDS THAT WERE DONE.
WE'VE GOT 3.313 OF ARPA MONEY SITTING THERE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE'VE MOVED IT, YES.
SO WE'RE NOW AT 4.1, UM, OF THE 7.2.
SO WE NEED 3.1 MILLION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT LINE ITEM IS TRANSFER FROM FUND BALANCE 1 2 84.
AND IS THAT FROM THE, THAT'S FY 25 MONEY.
AND THAT LEAVES A BALANCE OF 1.8 MILLION, CORRECT?
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I THOUGHT IN THE PRIOR COURT THEY HAD TRANSFERRED 2 MILLION FROM FUND BALANCE FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.BUT I DON'T SEE THAT ON THIS LIST SHE'S GONNA SHOW YOU.
SO IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE LEFT, THE MIDDLE COLUMN, AND YOU'LL SEE THE $715,250 THAT'S TRANSFER FROM GENERAL PHONE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR THE SHERIFF REMODEL.
SO THE $2 MILLION THAT WAS GOING TO GO ALL TO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, SOME OF IT WAS ABSORBED BY THE THIRD FLOOR PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT CONTRACTED AND WAS OVER WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE.
SO THAT MONEY, UH, WAS ENCUMBERED IMMEDIATELY ONCE THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED.
SO IT WAS, SO THERE WAS THE REASON THAT NOT THE FULL 2 MILLION WENT TO THE SHERIFF.
SO THAT TAKES IT FROM, UM, 2 MILLION TO 1,000,285.
AND THAT'S THIS NUMBER HERE, 1,000,284.
SO THAT LEAVES US WITH 1,000,008 THAT WE'VE GOT A STEEL FUND.
IT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY ALLOCATED.
AND A, A QUESTION, I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT ALREADY, COMMISSIONER STACEY, BUT CAN ALL THIS WORK BE DONE IN THIS FISCAL, WILL ALL THIS WORK BE DONE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR? I SEE.
WILL THAT, THAT IS 100% THE PLAN AND THE SCHEDULE.
AND THIS 1.8, DID SOMEONE SAY THAT'S AVAILABLE IN FUND 51 BALANCE SITTING THERE? NOT ALL OF IT.
HOW MUCH OF IT IS WELL, FUND, FUND FUND 51 HAS WHAT? 1.4 MILLION? THAT'S WHAT IT HAS IN IT.
THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE BUDGET HAS A MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT COMING OVER, WHICH IS CREATING A $789,000 CONTINGENCY.
I DON'T, THOSE NUMBERS DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT I'LL GO WITH, SO YOU, YOU SAY IN FUND 51 WE HAVE $789,000.
THERE'S 1.4 IN FUND BALANCE IN FUND 51.
BRINGING A MILLION DOLLARS OVER IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET CREATED A CONTINGENCY OF 7 89 488, WHICH MEANS WE ARE SPENDING SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE IN THIS BUDGET.
SO YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SPEND IT, CORRECT.
WHAT WOULD OUR AVAILABLE FUND 51 FUND BALANCE B AFTER WE TAKE THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT HE'S REFERRING TO? FOR SURE.
BUT YOU'RE EARNING, UH, ALREADY TO DATE YOU'VE EARNED IN REVENUE $772,000.
SO YOUR, YOUR FUND'S GOING TO GENERATE MORE THAN YOU SPEND IN FY 25.
SO THAT WILL GO BACK TO FUND BALANCE.
SO JUST ASSUME 400 TO $500,000, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE AVAILABLE IN FUND 51 AFTER WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY HAS RECOMMENDED FOR NEXT, HE'S, HE'S RECOMMENDED A LOT OF THINGS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM FUND 51 OF USING FUND 51 FUND BALANCE IN FY 26.
I KNOW IT LAST YEAR, HE ALMOST TOOK ALL OF MY HAIR OUTTA MY HEAD BY WORRYING ABOUT HIS, HIS, HIS BUDGETING
I FELT BAD EARLIER THIS MORNING WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT THAT MOST OF MY CONFUSION CON IS CAUSED BY HIM.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT HE'S REFERRING TO US TAKING? WHERE'S THAT COMING FROM? LISA? OR WHERE'S IT GOING? OKAY, SO 51 HAS AVAILABLE, LIKE, LET'S THINK ABOUT IT AS A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
INSTEAD OF USING OUR CHECKING ACCOUNT MONEY, WE WOULD BE TAKING A MILLION DOLLARS FROM OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, MONEY ALL BEING 51 MONEY CHECKING IN SAVINGS.
SO OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT HAS 1.4 MILLION.
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WOULD TAKE A MILLION OF THAT AND YOU PUT IT INTO OUR CHECKING ACCOUNT SO THAT WE COULD SPEND IT TO BE USED FOR WHAT? TO GO TOWARDS THE SHERIFF REMODEL.WE'RE TRYING TO GET, I THOUGHT A MINUTE AGO YOU SAID WE COULD ASSUME WE HAD 500,000 TO PUT IN IT.
WE'D, WE'D STILL HAVE 500,000 LEFT.
UH, OF, OF THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT, MONEY SAVINGS, IF WE TOOK OUT A MILLION, THE ACCOUNT, SO THE MILLION THAT COMMISSIONER STACY'S REFERRING TO TAKING OUT IS A MILLION WE'RE GONNA TAKE AND APPLY AGAINST THE MILLION 800.
YEAH, BUT HE DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE FULL MILLION.
REMEMBER HE HAS CLOSER TO 790,000.
'CAUSE ARE YOU ON, YOU, ARE YOU ON PAGE 75? NO, I AM LOOKING AT THIS SHEET.
WELL, ON PAGE 75 IN THE BUDGET, BUT I'LL GO WITH PAGE 75.
WELL, I DON'T, HOLD ON, I DON'T HAVE THAT PAGE HERE, HERE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT OPEN.
SO IF, IF YOU ALL LOOK AT, UH, THE LINE 0 5 1 604 9 5, IT SAYS CONTINGENCY FUND, THERE'S $789,488 THAT'S AVAILABLE TO SPEND IN FY 26.
I MEAN, YOU HAVEN'T ASSIGNED IT TO ANYONE PROJECT.
THIS IS THE MILLION THAT'S GOING TO THE SHERIFF.
THAT'S THE MILLION THAT'S COMING INTO FUND 51.
IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE THAT MILLION'S COMING INTO FUND 51 AND CREATING THAT CONTINGENCY.
SO A MILLION IS THE ESTIMATED REVENUE.
A MILLION IS YOUR ESTIMATED REVENUE COMING FROM YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT TO YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT.
AND THEN YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT HAS $789,488 TO SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ASSIGNED TO ANYTHING.
AND THEN IT'S DEPLETED UNTIL IT EARNS MORE INTEREST.
NO, THEN WE STILL HAVE 500,000.
THEN YOU STILL HAVE ROUGHLY 500,000.
SO IF YOU, SO THEN WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
WHERE'S THE 500,000 SHOW UP IN THE FUND BALANCE? IT'S NOT IN HERE.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN IT.
IT'S STILL IN SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
BUT THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PAGE.
THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REAL CONFUSING.
SO THAT, THAT 500,000 STAYS IN YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
SO EVEN WHEN, IF WE DID EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED, WE WOULD TAKE 789,000, LET'S SAY SEVEN 90 RIGHT.
AND MOVE IT FROM THERE TO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
AND THAT WOULD LEAVE US $500,000 IN THE FUND, 51 FUND BALANCE THAT WE COULD APPROPRIATE DURING THE NEXT YEAR OF SOME EMERGENCY CAME UP AND WE HAD TO FUND IT.
WELL, NO, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT TILL FY 27 UNLESS YOU WHY IS THAT? UNLESS YOU PUT IT, WE GOT, WE HAVE TO BUDGET HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT OR, OR WE CAN'T.
NOW WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE IT TO A CONTINGENCY WHERE IT JUST SITS THERE JUST IN CASE.
BUT IF, IF WE DON'T BUDGET IT, WE, WE, WE CAN'T.
IT, SO WE'VE GOT 500,000 IN FUND 51 FUND BALANCE, BUT IT'S, AND WE CAN'T USE IT NEXT YEAR, BUT WE COULD, IF WE WANTED, WE COULD TAKE 400,000 OR 500,000 OF THAT, THE WHOLE THING.
AND SAY AFTER WE'VE DONE WHAT, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT IN A CONTINGENCY.
SO IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE NEED TO DEAL ADDRESS NEXT YEAR, WE COULD.
AND IF WE DON'T SPEND IT AT FISCAL YEAR FIFTH 26, IT GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE FUND BALANCE OF 51 OF 51.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HIT US, AND WE ALWAYS WANNA PROPERLY FUND PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I'M STARTING TO SEE, SO NOW WE'RE AT SEVEN 90 IN FUND 51 FUND BALANCE.
THAT PUTS US BASICALLY TO A MILLION, UH, 1 0 1 OH, WE GOTTA FIND, OKAY.
WHERE'S THAT GONNA COME FROM? OUR SA OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SAVINGS ACCOUNT IN THE OH OH ONES.
OH, THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE? CORRECT.
SO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE, AND I APOLOGIZE TO Y'ALL FOR SLOWING THIS DOWN.
UM, BUT THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A MILLION OH ONE OH.
AND THAT IS THAT WHAT, WHAT IS OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE? GENERAL FUND BALANCE
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25 MILLION.AND IS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER WE TRANSFER LEFTOVER MONEY FROM THIS YEAR AFTER.
AND ANY MONEY THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT ROLLS INTO FUND BALANCE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE, UM, 25 MILLION PLUS OR MINUS IN FUND BALANCE? YES.
WE WANNA KEEP OUR, WE WANNA KEEP OUR
SO THAT'S 43.8% AND WE WOULD BE TAKING A MILLION OUT OF THAT.
NOW, I'M, I KNOW I'VE BEEN TOLD A THOUSAND TIMES CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE DIFFERENT.
SO I PREFACE IT BY SAYING, I KNOW CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IN MY CITY EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO BEING ON THIS COURT, I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 25% IN YOUR FUND BALANCE, YOUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE, AND A IF YOU MAXIMUM OF, WELL, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU GO OVER 40, YOU, YOU HAVE MORE THAN YOU NEED.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S THE SAME FOR, FOR THE COUNTY? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT RULE OF THUMB IS, IS REASONABLE.
UH, THIS COUNTY HAS A FUND BALANCE POLICY OF FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
SO IF YOU HAD MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, THEN I WOULD START SAYING THAT YOU HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH.
SO IF WE TAKE OUT THE, YOU'VE SAID WE HAVE 25 MILLION PLUS OR MINUS, AFTER THIS YEAR, WE WILL, IF WE FOLLOWED COMMISSIONER STACY'S PROPOSAL, IT WOULD BE 24 MILLION, CORRECT.
AND TELL ME HOW MANY MONTHS THAT IS TWE.
SO 28 AND A HALF MILLION WOULD BE YOUR SIX MONTH.
UH, AND I BELIEVE 19 MILLION WOULD BE YOUR FOUR MONTHS.
SO YOU, SO WE'RE YOU OVER FIVE MONTHS YEAH.
SITTING THERE AFTER IMPLEMENTING THE PROPOSAL THAT COMMISSIONER STACY'S MADE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE AN OVERARCHING STATEMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT, BUT I, I AM HAPPY THAT WE WOULD GET THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL DONE.
I'VE SAID FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.
WE PROMISED THE VOTERS A REMODELED SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THEY APPROVED A BOND FOR A REMODELED SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO WE, WE OWE THEM A REMODELED SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO WE HAVE COBBLED TOGETHER FUNDS,
WE, WE'VE BENEFITED FROM ARPA, WE'VE BENEFITED FROM INTEREST.
NOW WE'RE GONNA BENEFIT FROM, UH, FUND TRANSFERS.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL DONE.
UH, IF THIS COURT SO CHOOSES, UM, AGAIN, IT, IT'S BEEN A, A LONG WINDING ROAD TO GET HERE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO GETTING HERE.
YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB WALKING THROUGH THAT, BY THE WAY, LAUREN
I I GO SO FAST WITH, WITH THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK THAT WHAT YOU DID WAS VERY, VERY CRITICAL TO, TO, TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TRANSPARENCY WISE, TALKING THROUGH IT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING THERE ARBITRARILY DRAINING ACCOUNTS.
WE'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL AND, AND WE'RE NOT, AND WE'RE FINISHING AN EXTREMELY CRUCIAL PROJECT IN THE, IN, IN THE TIME BEING.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THE, THE KIND WORDS, BUT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND I, I DON'T, SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP IN THE HASTE OF JUST WORKING THROUGH THINGS AND I I'M NOT GONNA, I, NONE OF US, NONE OF US WANNA MAKE A VOTE.
NONE OF US AGREE WITH THE THEORY OF WHAT'S ONCE ESPOUSED OF WE'LL READ THE BILL AFTER WE VOTED FOR IT.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH ME, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENCE FOR YOU GUYS FOR LETTING ME DO THAT.
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I AM HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE SOME ARPA MONEY.WE WERE ABLE TO USE A LITTLE BIT OF THE BOND MONEY.
WE, WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS WHO APPROVE THIS BOND FOR THE, FOR THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
SO I'M GONNA ATTEMPT TO MAKE A CONVOLUTED MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE CONTINGENCY FROM FUND 51 INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL, AND THEN FUND THE REMAINING ONE POINT, APPROXIMATELY 1.1 MILLION FROM FUND BALANCE.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
AS LONG AS IT MEANS WHAT I THINK IT MEANS.
UH, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT HARD WORK COMMISSIONER STACY
THAT, THAT, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
ONE MORE BUILDING PROJECT THAT THE DA EXPANSION IS STILL UNFUNDED TOO.
IT'S NOT THAT LONG BIRTHDAY BOY.
SO, SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS I WANT US TO CONSIDER WHEN IT COMES TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
ONE OF 'EM IS, IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER.
UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT ONE FIRST, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE PARK HILL CONTRACT TO LOOK AND DO THE PLANNING AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE.
UM, I, I, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T WANT US TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT TODAY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE THE COURT TO BE AGREEABLE TO HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THE NOTES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE $244,000.
AND NOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS THAT'S GONNA KEEP US IN LINE WITH THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN I'M IN CHARGE OF, WHICH IS TRYING TO GET AHEAD AND PLAN FOR THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY AND, AND HOW WE CAN GET THE NEW COURTHOUSE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
THAT DOES INCLUDE SOME PLANNING FOR THE, THE DA'S OFFICE, WHICH WE CAN WORK THROUGH IN A SECOND.
UM, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES ATRIUM ENTRY, SOUNDPROOFING, JURY ROOMS, UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT A PERMANENT HOME FOR SECURITY.
THIS ISN'T JUST A A ONCE THIS, THIS IS TAKING A DEEP DIVE INTO THE NEW COURTHOUSE FOR WHAT IS THE FULL GROWTH OF THE COURTHOUSE AND, AND HOW CAN WE MAXIMIZE THE SPACE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND $4 MILLION ON THE NEW COURTHOUSE NEXT YEAR.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA PUT IT UNDER THE KNIFE.
IT JUST MEANS WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT REALLY GOOD SOLID WAYS OF IMPROVING THINGS THAT WE KNOW AREN'T WORKING WELL AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A FACILITIES PLAN THAT WORKS.
SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE DO HAVE SOUNDPROOFING IN THE JURY ROOMS. WE'RE BUILDING ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
THE JURY ROOMS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR ARE NOT SOUNDPROOFED.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGN AND A PLAN FOR THAT.
THE ATRIUM GETS EXTREMELY, HAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH WEATHER.
UM, AND SOME OF IT'S FROM THE DOOR.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT LOOK AT ARE THERE STRATEGIES WE CAN EMPLOY THAT COULD HELP US KEEP THE TEMPERATURE OF THAT BUILDING BETTER TO CAN STOP THE NORTH WIND FROM BLOWING IN AND JUST BLOWING THE DOORS OPEN AND AT FULL BUILD OUT.
THERE IS NOT A PERMANENT HOME FOR SECURITY.
SECURITY HAS BEEN BEING MOVED INTO TEMPORARY LOCATIONS.
SO WE WANNA LOOK, WE, WE CHALLENGED PARK HILL WITH THE IDEA OF CAN YOU GIVE US A A, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE, IN THE ENTRYWAY FOR SECURITY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE GOTTA PULL THE TRIGGER ON EVERYTHING.
IT JUST MEANS WE START TO HAVE A PLAN AND, AND AN IDEA FORWARD.
AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET THE COURT TO VOTE ON THAT.
I JUST WANNA PUT IT ON OUR RADAR.
UM, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER AND TO REMAINING OF THAT PROJECT IS $244,000 OF THAT PLANNING EFFORT.
SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY TALK ABOUT IT ALL WE WANT, BUT MY PLAN ISN'T FOR US TO TO VOTE UNLESS Y'ALL WANNA VOTE IT DOWN.
AND THEN I'LL BE AGAINST THAT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK INCLUDING THAT IN THE BUDGET TALK AS WE START CLEARING THE SMOKE AND GETTING TO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE BUDGET WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HANDLED SOME OF THIS STUFF AND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET THAT, UM, MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT SOUNDPROOFING OF THE JURY ROOMS. I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT BEING PART OF THE COURTROOM RENOVATIONS OF SOUNDPROOF.
I KNOW WE WERE SOUNDPROOFING GOING FORWARD.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ALSO GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO RETROFIT.
WE, WE'VE THAT GOT VALUE ENGINEERED OUT TO GOT IT.
SO WE MOVED IT TO SEPARATE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO FINISH.
WELL I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP, BUT I AM NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON THAT TODAY.
DOESN'T MEAN I'M FORWARD OR AGAINST IT BE.
I JUST GOTTA SORT LET THE DUST SETTLE AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
BECAUSECAUSE, WE JUST TOOK, WE JUST TOOK A BUNCH OF MONEY FROM OUR CONTINGENCY AND WHILE WE'RE STILL WITHIN THAT BAND
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OF OUR FUND BALANCE, I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT TO THE VERY BOTTOM BECAUSE AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT'S COMING OUTTA AUSTIN AND WHERE WE'RE IN THE FUTURE YES.AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND MON SPEND MONEY ON AND NOT, I I WANNA BE A, I'VE DONE ABOUT AS MUCH FUN BALANCE TAKEN AS I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH TODAY.
I DO THINK WE HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY, UM, WITH FREEZING NICHOLS.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT TRANSPORTATION AND, UM, PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE OF NOT SITTING IN TRAFFIC THAT, UM, IS A BIG DEAL.
AND THEY PRESENTED US WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A, SOME IDEAL FOR A BUDGET OF WHAT IT WOULD DO, WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO HAVE THEIR ASSISTANCE WITH A THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY, IN MY OPINION, IT'S ONE OF THE TOP ONES.
'CAUSE IT SUPPORTS SO MUCH OF WHAT'S ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THEM, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T TAKE IT OUT FROM AN RQ.
WE DON'T LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY FUND, ANY, ANY WAY WE, WE CAN, LISA, CAN WE USE BOND MONEY TO DO A TRANSPORTATION PLAN? THE THOROUGH FIFTH PLAN? YES, SIR.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT USED, THAT'S WHAT THE COURT USED YEARS AGO FOR THE ORIGINAL ONE.
AND WE ASKED THAT YESTERDAY, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT AND THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, PROBABLY.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF MY TOP THREE ITEMS. Y YEAH.
AND, AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
SO, UH, A A FUNNY STORY IS LAST YEAR AFTER THE BUDGET, I TOOK LAUREN FOR COFFEE AND I SAID, SO WHAT'D YOU THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET? AND HE SAID, THE ONE THING THAT DISAPPOINTED ME IS Y'ALL NEVER TALKED ABOUT ROADS.
AND I WAS JUST LIKE, NO, THAT'S FAIR.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT IGNORING ROADS.
WE, WE, WE NEED TO GET AGGRESSIVE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE WORKSHOP AND, AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO I, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO BRING UP BECAUSE THAT IS TOP OF MIND TO ANYONE, NOT JUST THAT LIVES HERE THAT EVEN VISITS ROCKWALL IS WE NEED TO START REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AGGRESSIVELY.
THE, UM, NEXT THING, UH, LISA DID BRING UP, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE THE DA'S OFFICE EXPANSION.
UM, WE DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WE HAVE A GMP, WE HAVE CONTRACTORS ON SITE, UH, THAT IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
I, BARRY AND I GET MAD WHEN THEY USE ACRONYMS AND I JUST USE AN ACRONYM.
I'M A HYPOCRITE BARRY, I APOLOGIZE.
UM,
WE HAVE THE AUDITORS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SECONDARY AUDITORS, THE GRANT WORKS.
WE HAVE ALL THOSE CONTRACTS SIGNED AND EXECUTED.
ALL WE HAVE ON THE DA'S OFFICE IS A ROUGH SCOPE OF MAGNITUDE BASED UPON A SQUARE FOOTAGE ESTIMATE FROM PARK HILL.
WE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO GO ON.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HIRING PEOPLE AND WE HAVE TO OFFICE THEM.
WE'RE LOOKING AT USING, UH, DOING AN EXPANSION INTO A SPACE THAT WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING ON SINCE BEFORE ANY OF US GOT ONTO COURT, IS TO EXPAND INTO THAT SPACE.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDED OFFICES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, DOING NOTHING BUT GOING UP.
AND IF WE DON'T FIGURE SOMETHING OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, THIS PROJECT WON'T GET STARTED UNTIL FY 26 AND IT WILL BE A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW BEFORE IT'S DELIVERED.
ALL THAT TO BE SAID, I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE EVEN DO AND HOW WE EVEN DO IT.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS DO, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT $350,000 INTO THE PROJECT AND THEN GET THROUGH PLANNING AND JUST BE SITTING THERE SCRAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH AS FAR AS WHAT TO DO.
THEIR ROUGH SCOPE MAGNITUDE IS $962,500 PARK HILL, AND THAT'S FROM PARK HILL.
NOW THAT'S LOOKING AT ROUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE AND DOING EQUIVALENT FINISHES THAT THEY'VE DONE AT $250 A SQUARE FOOT.
UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT CHEAPER.
AND THE WAY THAT THESE PROJECTS GO, MR. ALANA, COMMISSIONER ALANA, YOU KNOW, THAT CHEAPER ISN'T WHAT GOVERNMENT SPEAK IS WHEN IT COMES TO CONTRACT AND BUILDING.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A VERY, I THINK THAT'S A VERY SOLID NUMBER.
I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK A NOT TO EXCEED THAT NUMBER WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, IS WHERE, HOW IN THE WORLD DO WE FUND IT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
I MEAN, WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO THE PROJECT.
UM, IT FINDING, FINDING THE MONEY IS GONNA BE THE MOST DIFFICULT PART.
AND ADDING TO THE DIFFICULTY FOR ME IS I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT OFFICE IS NOT A GOOD FUNCTIONAL OFFICE AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
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WORKS.AND WITH THAT, I THINK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO WALK UP AND SAY A FEW SEATS.
BUT I THINK THERE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE? EIGHT.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO DISRESPECT KEN, BUT I'M GONNA STEP OUT FOR JUST NO, COME, COME UP.
I I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
YEAH, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SHE, SHE DID SHARE HER WITH NO KEN EVER DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THEIR OFFICE THAN WE DO.
IF WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE CLERKS, UM, IF WE COULD MOVE JUST CLERKS OVER TO THAT SPACE, THAT WOULD BE A FUNCTIONAL SPACE.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IF I MOVE CLERKS FROM OUR SPACE AT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ALL THEY LEAVE ARE CUBICLES.
I THINK I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY GONE BACK TO SGIS AFTER MY CONVERSATION HERE.
I WENT BACK AND CONFIRMED THAT THEY DO REQUIRE THAT, THAT THOSE PEOPLE BE IN OFFICES THAT CAN BE LOCKED IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESS TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECORDS.
SO WE WENT BACK AND CHECKED THAT FRONT DOOR.
LOCKING DOESN'T, NO, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE, DEFENSE LAWYERS, WITNESSES, UH, POLICE OFFICERS.
I MEAN, THEY USUALLY HAVE SJS ACCESS.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENCE IF YOU JUST LOCK THE FRONT DOOR, THAT MEANS THAT WE COULDN'T ALLOW DEFENSE LAWYERS INTO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TALK TO PROSECUTORS.
THAT MEANS WE COULDN'T INTERVIEW WITNESSES IN OUR OFFICE.
THAT MEANS THAT YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE NO MAINTENANCE PEOPLE IN THERE WITHOUT THEM BEING, UM, SUPERVISED.
YOU COULD HAVE NONE OF Y'ALL THERE WITHOUT BEING SUPERVISED.
BUT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA SPEND $12,000 ON A, UH, A LOCK HERE FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE DOOR.
COULD WE NOT DO THAT WITH THE INTERIOR OFFICES? BECAUSE THERE'S TWO, TWO INTERIOR OFFICES THAT HAVE DOORS THAT COULD BE LOCKED.
COULD YOU CAN, BUT THAT'S TWO OFFICES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT PARTITIONS IN THERE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO ON A, ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE TWO OFFICES THAT, AND THEY'RE GIANT OFFICES BY THE WAY.
UM, I MEAN, YOU COULD USE THOSE OFFICES FOR TWO PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE THE REST OF THE SPACE THAT'S NOT, THAT REALLY ISN'T GONNA BE USED.
I GUESS YOU COULD USE IT FOR CLERKS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME WORK IN THAT, IN THAT AREA TO CREATE SOME MORE OFFICES.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE TURNED STORAGE ROOMS AND WE HAVE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE SPACE IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HAVE DONE SO QUIETLY, I THINK.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE MORE PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT ANYBODY I APP, I WOULD SAY I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT SPACE, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN DA EXPANSION SPACE.
I'M JUST, JUST SAYING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO THAT, UM, AREA, UH, WHETHER YOU DO IT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WITH PARTITIONS OR WHETHER YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY ON, UH, ON GOING, YOU KNOW, FINISHING IT OUT.
IT'S, IT'S A DECISION WHETHER YOU DO IT NOW OR LATER.
BUT AT SOME POINT THAT SPACE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UM, COMMENSURATE WITH THE REST OF THE OFFICE.
IT'S NOT FAIR FOR IT NOT TO BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THE DA'S OFFICE, WE, WE TAKE LEFTOVER CARS, WE TAKE OVER LEFTOVER, LOTS OF STUFF, BUT YOU HAVE JUST PUT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
AND WE EXPECT, UM, AND I THINK DESERVE FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO BE, UH, TO GET, TO ALLOW THE SAME GENEROSITY, UM, TO BE WITH THE REST OF YOUR, WITH THE REST OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THAT SPACE NOW, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT, UH, AT LEAST SEVERAL MORE OFFICES IN THAT SPACE.
WHAT ONE COMMENT YOU MADE, WHICH IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT.
WE DID SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
AND AS EVERYONE ON THIS KNOW, EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT KNOW I OBJECTED TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE WENT SPENT MORE THAN MONEY THAN WE NEEDED TO.
WHAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH IN THIS SITUATION IS THE NUMBER $950,000.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT TOO, BUT I GOT A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH JUDGE NEW WITH LOOKS LIKE USABLE SPACE TO ME.
'CAUSE WE'RE USING IT RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA USE IT AGAIN, HOW COME WE GOTTA SPEND $950,000? WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO MOVE YOU IN YOUR OFFICE DOES DESERVE TO BE GOOD AND HIGH QUALITY AND FUNCTIONING.
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NOBODY DISAGREES WITH YOU ON THAT.BUT TO SAY THAT WE GOTTA SPEND $950,000 NEXT YEAR TO DO IT, I'M, I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS TO GET WORK THE MAGIC OF BARRY COMPTON AND GO OVER THERE AND START LOOKING AT IT AND START FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN SPEND MONEY THAT FUNCTIONALLY GETS YOU IN AND USES THAT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA USE IT WHEN SHE MOVES OUT THE, WELL, I'M SORRY.
WHEN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE MOVES OUT, YOU WILL USE IT.
SHE'S OUT
WELL THEN YOU, YOU YOU'LL USE IT.
SO WE GOT, WE NEED CAN FIT IT, BUT I, I JUST, THE NUMBER OF $950,000, I JUST, EVERYTHING IN MY BRAIN SCREAMS NO.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, I'VE HAD THE SAME REACTION WHEN COMMISSIONER STACY SAID 900,000.
I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A A HUNDRED.
I MEAN, TO ME IT'S INSANE THAT THAT'S THE COST OF THREE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE HOMES, MAYBE NOT IN ROCKWALL, BUT I MEAN THREE AVERAGE HOMES TO BE ABLE TO, TO RENOVATE SPACE, UH, THAT ALREADY HAS, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, ALREADY HAS HVAC ALREADY HAS LIGHTING.
UM, BUT I'M NOT THE PERSON MAKING THE ESTIMATES.
I JUST KNOW THAT, UH, WHAT OUR PREFERENCE IS AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT, OUR PREFERENCE IS TO TAKE OUT THAT WALL, UM, IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND REMEMBER THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT INTO TWO TEMPORARY, UM, OFFICES, UH, THAT BARRY I THOUGHT DID A GREAT JOB WITH, BUT THEY'RE TEMPORARY OFFICES.
SO THAT, THAT MONEY THAT WAS SPENT IN THAT AREA IS PROBABLY TEMPORARY.
UM, BUT TAKE OUT THAT WALL AND MAKE THE REST OF THE SPACE LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE DA'S OFFICE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS GONNA BE THE FUTURE, UH, OF THAT SPACE.
WHETHER YOU SPEND THAT MONEY NOW OR LATER IS UP TO YOU.
I AM ACTUALLY ASKING FOR FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR US TO MOVE PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS ENTIRE DIVISION, UM, OR TWO DIVISIONS INTO THAT SPACE.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OFFICES, NOT BECAUSE KENDALL WANTS 'EM, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE'LL LOSE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACCESS IF WE DON'T HAVE OFFICES THAT LOCK FOR A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THAT SPACE.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT $900,000.
TO ME IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY IT WOULD COST THAT MUCH, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY A CUP OF COFFEE IS $7 TO ME EITHER.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S NOT MY, HE'S DONE, HE'S DONE THAT WORK.
I'M HAPPY FOR BARRY TO COME IN AND DO IT, BUT WHEN I BRING IT UP TO HIM, HIS HEAD ALMOST EXPLODES.
UH, FOR, FOR THEM TO, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS JUST SAID AND, AND I REMEMBER I DID IT ONE TIME IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, THE TWO OFFICES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT DO HAVE A DOOR, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE 'EM INTO TWO, YOU ACTUALLY FOUR OFFICES IF YOU WANTED TO SAY EACH ONE.
IF, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO PARTITION, BUT STILL HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE THE SECURITY, UM, AND REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM
I, I MEAN I KNOW THAT THAT, THAT THAT'S AN OPTION.
AND I THOUGHT WHEN YOU SAID THAT WHILE AGO, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE MAYBE ONLY HAVING ONE DOOR.
IS THAT A PROBLEM? IF, IF THERE'S A KEY FOR TWO DIFFERENT PROSECUTORS, BUT YET THERE'S, THERE IS A, A, YOU KNOW, A WALL BETWEEN THOSE TWO OFFICES.
HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THAT.
AND I'M JUST YEAH, THIS IS JUST THINKING OFF TOP OF HEAD.
IF YOU HAVE TWO OFFICES THERE THAT BOBBY HAS TO GO THROUGH YOUR OFFICE EVERY TIME HE WANTS TO GET TO HIS YEAH.
UM, HOW FUNCTIONAL IS THAT? NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU HAVE WITNESSES THAT YOU'RE INTERVIEWING POLICE OFFICERS THAT YOU'RE INTERVIEWING, YOU'RE ON THE PHONE ON A SENSITIVE CASE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FUNCTIONAL.
WE DEALT WITH THAT SAME ISSUE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHERE ACTUALLY I THINK THERE WAS SOME REQUIREMENT THAT THERE HAD TO BE, UM, SEPARATE DOORS A UH, AN AISLE.
UM, IT HAD TO BE A DA COMPLIANT.
SO WHETHER YOU CAN MAKE TWO OFFICES, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THAT'S AGAIN, NOT MY EXPERTISE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE ONE LOCK AND ACCESS TWO OFFICES WITH THE CI RULES.
I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS WELL AND THEN THE REASON THAT I'M IN A LITTLE, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY EITHER, BY THE WAY.
I I, THAT SOUNDS THAT IT MAY BE HIGH.
BUT YOU NEED, WE NEED TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW MANY OFFICES YOU WANT IN THIS SPACE.
IS THAT FIVE OFFICES WITH LOCKING DOORS? IS THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF THE FIRST HURDLE THAT WE GET ACROSS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF THROWING THINGS AT THE DART BOARD.
HOW MANY OFFICES DO YOU NEED IN THERE? SO I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT WITH THIS.
WE HAVE HAD THE DA EXPANSION IN THE BUDGET FOR FIVE YEARS.
IF I SAY THIS IS HOW MANY OFFICES I NEED TODAY, THAT DOESN'T PLAY IN ANYTHING FOR THE FUTURE.
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JUST SAY, I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RE REMODEL A SPACE.I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE BUILDING.
I'M JUST THINKING, HOW MANY OFFICES DO YOU THINK YOU WILL NEED IN THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE IN, IN 15 SECONDS THINKING ABOUT IT? I WOULDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE THE PLANNING ON THE FULL EXPANSION SPACE AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY OFFICES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CRAM INTO THAT SPACE.
WHAT WE ASKED PARK HILL TO DO IS GIVE US A NUMBER FOR US MAXIMIZING OFFICES OFFICE SPACE IN THAT SPACE.
AND THE REASON THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THERE'S MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL PROBLEM.
I DON'T WANNA SAY PROBLEMS, BUT HURDLES AND EXPENSES WITH OFFICES RATHER THAN JUST CONFERENCE ROOMS. SO IF WE WERE TO PUT A COUPLE CONFERENCE ROOMS IN THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE CHEAPER THAN PUTTING A BUNCH OF OFFICES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY OFF THE GROUND, THIS PROJECT HASN'T EVEN BEGUN.
BUT WITH THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS, THIS IS THE TIME WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
ARE WE GONNA DO ANYTHING TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND? MM-HMM
OR, OR ARE WE NOT? AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MAKE YOUR HEAD HURT ON YOUR BIRTHDAY, BUT I MEAN, DO YOU PUT SEED MONEY IN AND THEN HOPE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS COME IN UNDER BUDGET AND WE CAN JUST PUT IT TOGETHER? I I MEAN, MAY MAYBE THAT'S AN, AN IDEA.
BUT I, THAT, THAT MAY BE A GREAT IDEA.
THE, I FEEL LIKE, HOW DO I SAY THIS? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL ARGUING WITHOUT FACTS.
AND I, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE ALL IT DOES IS TEND TO CREATE WALLS AND DIVISIONS AND IT'S, IT'S NOT NOT PRODUCTIVE.
I WOULD LIKE SOME FACTS AND IF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE GONNA PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THERE BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'LL COST US THAT MUCH AND THEN WE'RE ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
COMMISSIONER STACY, UH, SEED MONEY, AS YOU CALLED IT, I, I I'M FINE WITH.
BUT JUST THIS IDEA THAT, WELL, PARK HILL SAYS THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHO PARK HILL IS.
I KNOW THEY'RE A BIG COMPANY AND I KNOW THEY JUST GOT DONE SPENDING A LOT OF OUR MONEY AND I WANT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH OUR MONEY LIKE EVERYBODY DOES.
EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT FEELS THAT WAY.
SO, UM, BUT IF THE ANSWER IS PARKDALE NEEDS 900,000 AND IT'S THAT OR NOTHING, WELL THEN IT'S NOTHING IN MY OPINION.
SO LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND QUIT DRAWING LINES IN THE SAND AND QUIT DRAWING BUILDING WALLS THAT WE REALLY CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY.
AND LET'S JUST MOVE IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE GONNA ALL GONNA AGREE THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT AS CHEAPLY AND AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND IF WE NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY IN FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST SOME, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT IF WE NEED TO PUT SOME SEED MONEY IN, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO SPEND $900,000 AND THAT MEANS WE GOTTA RAISE TAXES OR RATE OUR CONTINGENCY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
LET ME JUST SAY THIS LAST THING, AND I APPRECIATED THOSE COMMENTS.
'CAUSE I CAN'T SAY THAT I DISAGREE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK $900,000 SEEMS RIDICULOUS TO ME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SPACE IS IMMEDIATELY NEEDED, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET THE FIVE OH THIRD.
SO I'M ASKING THE COURT TO WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THAT PROJECT.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT DO THAT AND WE HAVE TO WAIT, THAT'S A YEAR THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT PEOPLE IN PLACES.
THAT'S, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WHAT I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING, UH, I, I AM ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH WHOEVER I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH AND DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD, UH, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH THE WORD SEED MONEY BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOME BUILDING IN THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SEED MONEY JUST SITTING THERE.
IF WE FIND MORE MONEY, I, WE NEED TO DO SOME BUILDING WHERE I STOPPED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I, WHERE I STOPPED A MINUTE AGO WAS JUST SAYING JUST SPEND IT ON AN ARCHITECT.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA BE OFFENSIVE, BUT WE, WE DO NEED TO DO SOME CONSTRUCTION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I COMMEND YOU FOR, UH, KENDA THAT YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO IS WE HAVE ADDED THIS, WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT.
AND THAT'S REQUIRED SOME CONSTRUCTION, I'M SURE.
AND WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE SOME CONSTRUCTION HERE.
UM, SO CALL IT SEED MONEY, CALL IT, UH, YOU KNOW, A BASIC CONSTRUCTION FUND, WHATEVER.
I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT WILLING TO WRITE A BLANK CHECK TODAY.
AND, AND I DON'T, AND I WOULD, I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT ASK YOU TO DO THAT.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THINKING SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UH, I'M JUST, I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
I, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE NUMBER OF OFFICES YOU NEEDED TO OPERATE THIS YEAR BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER GO TO SOMEBODY AND SAY, I NEED THIS MANY OFFICES PUT IN HERE AND HOW CAN WE DO IT? AND, 'CAUSE I THINK WE ASKED BARRY TO DO THIS BEFORE,
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AND I BELIEVE HE SAID THAT THE MECHANICAL FUNCTIONS OF THAT STUFF WAS OUTSIDE OF HIS SCOPE, HIS PEOPLE'S SCOPE.I I HAVE ASKED THE, THE AUDITOR TO LOOK INTO, UM, SOME OPTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE FOR IT NOT BEING A GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT HANDLES THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
I THINK ONE THING THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY HAS SAID ABOUT THE ARCHITECT IN, IN THIS $900,000, THE ARCHITECT'S EXPENSE IS THE 244 THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ON THE, UH, CHOMPING AWAY AT TO GET STARTED HERE.
THE 900,000 IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST.
IT IS NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES THAT IS BOOTS ON THE GROUND DOING THE WORK.
AND THEY ARE BASING THAT, THAT IS NOT DRILLED DOWN AT ALL.
I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT THAT CONVINCED OF THAT PRICE AT ALL.
I THINK IT WILL BE AN EXPENSIVE COST, BUT WE RUSHED THEM TO GIVE US A NUMBER.
THEY ARE GONNA ERR ON THE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS SIDE.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD GUESS JUST TO GUESS THAT THAT 900,000 MEANS YOU GO INTO THAT SPACE, YOU GUT IT CORRECT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT KEN'S BEEN DOING THE LAST FEW YEARS IN HER OFFICE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN MY OFFICE WHEN I'VE REMODELED IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY TO DO IT.
AND MY GUESS IS WE CAN DO IT A LOT CHEAPER.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BETWEEN NOW AND TWO WEEKS IS KENDA, UH, YOU AND WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS FOR THIS TASK TO SIT DOWN AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE, WHAT CAN WE GET A, WHAT WHAT CAN WE SPEND WISELY AND KEEP IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, TO, FOR YOU TO UTILIZE IT.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY FIRM NUMBER, BUT WE CAN HAVE A NUMBER THAT WE CAN START WITH.
SO LET ME, UM, A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, I WOULDN'T WAIT TWO WEEKS
AND, AND I WANT TO DOVETAIL, UH, SOMETHING YOU SAID ABOUT WE, WE NEED FACTS AND, AND WE NEED DATA AND, AND DOVETAIL WITH THAT, WITH COMMISSIONER ALANA, ASKING HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WANNA PUT IN THERE AND, AND WHAT PEOPLE YOU WANNA PUT IN THERE.
I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST BIT OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THERE.
SO IF IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, AND, AND NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT NOW, BUT IF IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS YOU COULD GET BACK AND LET, LET US KNOW, I'M GONNA PUT THREE PROSECUTORS, AN INVESTIGATOR, JUST WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU PLAN ON USING IT SO THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME DATA WHERE WE CAN HAVE A, A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.
DO YOU, SO THAT WE DON'T WASTE TIME.
DO YOU WANT ME TO, WHAT KIND OF STRATEGIC PLAN DO YOU WANT ME TO HAVE? DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU NUMBERS FOR WHAT I THINK THE NEXT THREE YEARS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE OR WHAT I THINK THE NEXT SIX MONTHS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THOSE ARE OKAY.
MY, MY CONCERN IS, UH, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF WE BUILD SPACES THAT WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER TEMPORARY, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WHEN WE MAKE THEM PERMANENT, WE HAVE TO DISPLACE THOSE FOLKS.
AND, AND I, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN.
I HAVE TO, AND WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT THEM WHEN WE DISPLACE THEM.
MY, MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT WE JUST, MAYBE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THE WHOLE PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
I WANT TO HAVE A FORWARD THINKING LOOK AT THE SPACE AND MAYBE IF THE SPACE SAYS WE NEED 10 OFFICES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, BUT MAYBE THIS NEXT YEAR YOU ONLY NEED FOUR OR FIVE TO OPERATE THE NEXT YEAR.
AND SO WE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE PHASING THIS PROJECT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE THIS DECISION RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE US A, AND GIVE US SOME SORT OF IDEA OF WHAT THE SPACE MIGHT BE USED FOR SO THAT WE CAN APPROACH IT WITH A MORE COST EFFECTIVE PHASING APPROACH OF THIS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF BUDGETS MAYBE.
WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WHAT NEXT, WHAT HAVE WE NOT COVERED? A FEW QUESTIONS WE HAVE DO, DO NOT MAKE ME DIG INTO MY PAPERWORK.
IF WE FINALIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH CLERKS, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY? OR ARE WE WAITING TO SEE WHERE THIS SETTLES? UH, I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO A FACTS.
I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND WE'LL HAVE 'EM SOON.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BEING WORKED ON.
UM, I, I, I THINK WE NEED THE DATA IN ORDER TO HAVE A GOOD PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.
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A PROJECT, UH, THAT LAUREN'S GONNA LOVE BECAUSE IT'S SOFTWARE, UM, THAT I WANT US TO AT LEAST CONSIDER.UM, AND THAT IS CLOUD GAVEL, WHICH IS A PAPERLESS WARRANT SYSTEM FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF OUR JUDGES.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK MELISSA TO INCLUDE, UM, I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR FIRST YEAR OF $39,000, AND THEN, UM, THAT INCLUDES A $15,000 SETUP.
SO THEN IT WOULD BE ABOUT 24,000, UM, GOING FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANT THAT ON THE BOOKS.
I KNOW WE'RE GETTING TIRED AND WE'RE GETTING TIRED HEAD.
I I JUST WANT THAT ON OUR REVISION SHEET FOR US, US TO DISCUSS AND YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
DOES THAT INTEGRATE WITH TYLER? IT 100% INTEGRATES WITH TYLER.
IT INTEGRATES SO MUCH WITH TYLER THAT AMAZINGLY ENOUGH THEY'VE BECOME THE SAME COMPANY.
ANYWAYS, UM, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT SYSTEM.
AND IT'S ONE THAT YOU VETTED WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, COURTS IN THERE.
ALL THE DISTRICT COUNTY COURTS AND JPS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY IS SLOWLY, UH, GOING TO AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND IS THIS SOMETHING, CHECK THAT MONEY OUT.
WE, WE NEED ONE LICENSE AND THEN THAT COVERS, THIS IS ENTIRE SYSTEM.
TECHNICALLY WE'RE BUYING IT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT THERE, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE GOT ALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL THE POLICING AGENCIES ON BOARD, THAT WE COULD COMBINE ALL OF IT INTO ONE AND, AND USE THE EMERGENCY SERVICE CORPORATION OR SOMETHING TO BUY THE SOFTWARE.
SO THAT IS 100% WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY, AND THAT IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH IT.
UM, UM, AND THEN, UM, ONE OF, ONE BIG REQUEST THAT CAME FORWARD THAT WASN'T IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET WOULD BE THE THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE $79,000 EACH.
IT'S ABOUT $236,955 APPROXIMATELY.
UM, FOR THOSE ASKS, UM, WE HAVE JUST BROUGHT UP THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED.
UM, THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, ESPECIALLY FOR MY TWO CITIES, UM, OF GAINING, UM, MORE DISPATCH SERVICES AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP SOMETHING GOING AS FAR AS STAFFING THAT, THAT, THAT UP.
UM, AFTER THE REMODEL WE'LL HAVE SIX CONSOLES.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP FOUR OF THEM FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THIS COURT NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT.
UM, SO AFTER THE REMODEL, WE'LL HAVE SIX CONSTABLES CONSOLES.
I THOUGHT, MAN, I DON'T THINK I WAS GONE TO THE RESTROOM THAT, THAT LONG.
WAIT, WE, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON, UH, ON WHAT DID, WHAT DID HE SAY? JUST GO TO EIGHT.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE EIGHT CONSTABLES.
WHY HAVE FOUR WHEN WE COULD HAVE EIGHT? CO COMMISSIONER, WHAT WAS THAT TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE ESTIMATING? $236,955 FOR ALL THREE.
THEY COME AT A PRICE OF A ROLL UP PRICE OF 78 9 85.
AND THAT HAS BEEN, THAT WAS IN ONE OF OUR SHEETS.
SO IT HAS BEEN VETTED BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE.
UM, THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, THAT I HAD, AND THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE ON MY SHEET WOULD BE TO REMOVE SOME OF THE PERSONNEL UNDER, UH, COUNTY ADMIN, COUNTY, UH, ADMINISTRATION.
UM, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE GENERAL COUNSEL, CIVIL ENGINEERING AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
I REMEMBER LAST TIME WHEN WE GOT TOWARDS THE END OF THE BUDGET, YOU GOT WITH NET DATA TO, TO DELETE THINGS.
'CAUSE YOU, IT'S NOT EASY FOR YOU TO DELETE THINGS.
UM, IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE A GENERAL COUNSEL AND WE, AND WE, AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER IS IN ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S OUR DEPARTMENT, IT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF HEADCOUNT.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD PREFER THAT, HOW, HOW HARD IS IT TO ADD BACK IN ONCE WE DELETE IT? AND, AND THE REASON I ASK THAT I'VE NOT GIVEN UP ON US HAVING A GENERAL COUNSEL THAT OFFICES HERE.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT YOU COULD JUST, I, YEAH, W WOULD LOVE TO.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I I WOULD LIKE, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
I THINK IT'S, WHEN I TURN MINE ON, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PHONE CALL TO THEM AND THEN THEY DO SOMETHING IN THE BACKGROUND.
UH, THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY IS IT PROBABLY WOULD STALL US FILING, UH, ANOTHER DRAFT, UH, YEAH.
UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO GET THAT TAKEN OUT.
AND, AND I, I, I, I JUST WANT IT ON THE
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RADAR BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH, UM, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, THERE'S JUST, SO, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT FUNDED, THAT'S JUST A, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THAT ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT, THAT ISN'T IN THERE, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.UH, WE WERE KIND OF HOPING, UH, I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE PREMATURE AT THIS TIME OF THE DAY, BUT, UH, IN THINKING OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET A SECOND DRAFT FILED BEFORE TUESDAY MORNING THAT MAYBE MEET WITH YOU ALL AGAIN ON TUESDAY AND THEN FILE AND HAVE A SECOND DRAFT FOR THURSDAY'S MEETING.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
AS I, I THINK WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE STILL LEFT OPEN, THEY'RE TOO BIG TO YES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I, I'M PREPARED, UM, TO, TO TAKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT OUT OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU PUT IN UNFUNDED AND JUST DELETE THAT POSITION OUT.
I'M NOT, I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WAIT UNTIL WHERE SECOND, WHERE HE
DO YOU HAVE ELSE ON IF ANYTHING ELSE HAS ON THE BUDGET? YEAH.
THE ONLY OTHER THING FOR US IS WE DID NOT BUDGET FOR NEW CHAIRS.
WE DID NOT BUDGET FOR NEW CHAIRS.
AND WE'VE BEEN SITTING IN THESE A LONG TIME, THE MOST RECENT DAYS, AND I DON'T, I I, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
I KNOW THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER GUANO WENT AND LOOKED AT THE JUDGES OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE, AND I KNOW CAMIE, YOU ASKED ME IF I WENT AND I HAVE NOT GONE OVER, WELL, I WENT OVER THERE, BUT I FORGOT TO GO UP TO THEIR OFFICE AND, AND SIT IN HIS CHAIRS, THEIR CHAIRS.
SO, BUT I, I, IF WE CAN HAVE THESE RET STUFFED, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT EITHER.
UM, BUT THESE HAVE BEEN SIT AT, SAT IN FOR PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AND I, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SITTING IN 'EM FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS AT A TIME, GUYS, IF NOT MORE.
WELL, YOU MAY, I DON'T LOVE MINE.
AND I JUST, JUST BUDGET THREE OR FOUR OF 'EM.
I WANT TO LOOK, THAT CHAIR WAS IN MY OFFICE AND I TRADED IT FOR ONE OF THESE
'CAUSE I, I DON'T, I'VE GOTTA GET THAT FROM THE, UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN IT FOR WHAT THEY SPENT ON THEIRS.
COMMISSIONER M I'VE GOT ELENA LOOKING INTO TO THAT TO TRY TO FIND, UH, THAT OLD DATA.
I WOULD SAY THOSE CHAIRS ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY 15 YEARS OLD.
SO I PLUS THEY DON'T GO UP AND DOWN WHO BUILDS AN OFFICE CHAIR THAT DOESN'T GO UP AND DOWN.
I MEAN, ANYWAY, THE OTHER ITEM THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER STACY BROUGHT UP AND, AND, AND HE, HE WANT IS PREPARED TO REMOVE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, HEAD COUNT FOR THE, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT IN, UM, AS FAR AS AN AS AS FAR AS A ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT YEAH.
I THINK IT SHOWS UP AS ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT IN THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, I STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
I, I I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A, UM, A FULL-TIME JOB, FULL-TIME AND WE'RE ALL, AND, AND, AND I'M PROUD TO SAY I, IT'S WHAT I WANTED, WHAT I CAMPAIGNED FOR, AND I'M GLAD I HAVE IT, BUT THE JUDGE IS GOING TO BEGIN TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DUTIES WHEN HE STARTS DOING PROBATES.
AND, UM, AND FELICIA IS PREPARED AND HAS THE EXPERIENCE TO HELP SUPPORT HIM IN THAT ROLE AS WELL AS HIS JUDGE ROLES FOR, FOR, FOR THIS, FOR THIS COURT.
BUT THAT REALLY LEAVES THE REST OF US.
AND IF, IF YOU LIKE TO DO YOUR OWN ADMIN, THAT'S FINE, AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT DOES YOUR ADMIN, BUT I FIND MYSELF RIGHT NOW, IF I HAD TO GIVE, I'M, I'M A 50 50, 50 50% TRYING TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY ON, ON WHAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO.
AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 TO 50% OF ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES ALSO.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY ELECTED ME FOR.
AND I, I HAVE THE SKILLSET FOR IT, BUT IT IS CAUSING ME TO NOT HAVE MORE TIME TO DO A LOT OF WHAT YOU DO, JOHN, WHICH I LOVE THAT YOU DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND YOU SIT DOWN AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND I, I DON'T SEEM TO HAVE AS HA HAVE, I'M NOT MANAGING MY TIME MAYBE AS WELL OR IT'S TAKES, IT TAKES ME LONGER TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
SO I WANT US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.
WE ARE A FULL-TIME ACTING COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THIS COUNTY IS GROWING AND I THINK I I, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF US HAVING SOME TYPE OF ONE PERSON THAT CAN BE SHARED BETWEEN FOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE, JUST SO I CAN WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT, UM, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT TOO, BUT WHAT WOULD WE HAVE THIS PERSON DO KIND OF TASKS OR IS THIS PERSON GOING TO DO FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA HAVE THEM DO? CAMIE HAS GIVEN US A, UM, GIVEN ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHARED IT WITH ALL THE OTHERS ON THE COURT AND, UH, A, A JOB DESCRIPTION THAT, UM, IS SIMILAR IN OTHER, IN OTHER AREAS, IN OTHER, UM, COURTS.WE'RE ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC SO WE CAN KIND OF GET IT ON THE RECORD OF WHAT THIS JOB ROLE WOULD BE.
UM, THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT I PUT TOGETHER, UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR MORE OF AN EXECUTIVE TYPE ADMIN POSITION, UM, WITH SOME EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE POSITION WOULD PROVIDE HIGH LEVEL ASSISTANCE TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, PROVIDING DAILY ADMIN, UM, SUPPORT, CONDUCTING RESEARCH, MAINTAINING FILES, UH, COMPOSING CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS PERSON WOULD ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE, UM, FOR PARTS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS THE STRATEGIC COORDINATOR.
UM, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND SO THE SALARY RANGE I RECOMMENDED, UM, WOULD BE BASED ON THE CURRENT GRADES THAT WE HAVE NOW, JOB GRADE 18, WHICH IF I COULD GET OUT OF THIS SCREEN, UM, IS EQUIVALENT TO, UM, LIKE THE HR MANAGER WHO, MANDY, WHO WORKS FOR ME, I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE SCREEN.
BUT, UM, A, A, A CHIEF DEPUTY LEVEL POSITION IN, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
SO IT'D BE, UH, MINIMUM SALARY.
THE WAY IT SITS NOW OF ABOUT 50,000.
I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MUCH GREATER NEEDS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT THAT WAS ASKED FOR AND TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT OUR NEEDS, I, I, I JUST, I REALLY HONESTLY JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE POSITION IS WARRANTED.
IT'S JUST MY OPINION THE SAME AS IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT IT IS WARRANTED.
UM, AND UM, AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND IT, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE IT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW WITH IT.
'CAUSE IT IS UNFUNDED AND IN THE HEADCOUNT.
IT'S, UM, I, I, I SEE THE NEED FOR THE POSITION.
IF IT'S UTILIZED FOR, UH, THINGS LIKE RESEARCH AND PHONES AND CORRESPONDENCE BACK TO PEOPLE, UM, I, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I'VE OPERATED BOTH WITH AN ASSISTANT BEFORE AND WITHOUT, AND IT'S NICE TO, IT'S NICE TO HAVE ADMIN HELP AND FOCUS ON THE, ON, UM, ON THE BIG FISH THINGS THAT OUR VOTERS WANT US TO HANDLE.
UM, BUT I, IT'S HARD, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO GET THERE.
IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN'T GIVE THE THE CLERKS ALL THEY NEED, IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE, WE CAN'T GIVE THEM ALL THEY NEED OR IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN'T GIVE THEM THE, THE PAY NEGOTIATION THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET TO WITH THEM.
IT'S, I SEE THE NEED, BUT IT, BUT I, I'M KIND OF WITH YOU COMMISSIONER STACY.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEED, UM, FOR A ASSISTANT HELP OUTWEIGHS THE NEED OF OUR DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WOULD RATHER TAKE THE HIT MYSELF AND HAVE TO DO MORE THAN FOR THEM TO TAKE A HIT AND THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS MORE ON DISPLAY TO OUR PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, WHICH ARE CITIZENS.
I DON'T, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THAT'S, NO, I DON'T THINK WE, THAT I DID NOT EVER INTEND FOR THAT TO DO THAT.
I DUNNO THAT WE CAN DO BOTH IS MY POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS AND DO SOMETHING FOR OURSELVES.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE MONEY IS GONNA BE THERE.
UH, AND MAYBE IT WILL BE WHEN WE THE DUST SETTLE.
SO I THINK YOU WERE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, I, I, I AM, I'M, I, UH, I I STILL THINK I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMO THAT WE REMOVE THE HEADCOUNT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FROM COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
IF YOU, YOU HAVEN'T MADE THE MOTION YET, RIGHT? WELL, I CAN'T.
I HAVEN'T MADE THE MOTION YET.
IF IT'S UNFUNDED, SO WHAT IF IT STAYS IN THERE? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GAINING BY REMOVING IT? IT JUST REMOVING IT FROM THE HEADCOUNT.
WHAT DOES THAT GIVE US? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND WE CAN SAY IT WHEN WE GET THE NUMBERS.
I'VE BEEN, ONE OF THE MANY COMMENTS I'VE STOPPED MYSELF FROM MAKING IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
WE GOT A POSITION, BUT IT'S NOT FUNDED.
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IT'S LIKE SAYING WE'VE FUNDED A ROAD, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHEN WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT.I CAN POINT TO FOUR OR FIVE RIGHT NOW IN OUR COUNTY THAT ARE FUNDED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD.
SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HIRING SOMEBODY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FUNDED THE POSITION.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GAINED BY TAKING IT OUT.
I, I, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF THE VOTE WAS TO HIRE SOMEBODY TODAY, MY VOTE WOULD BE NO.
BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GAIN BY TAKING IT OUT.
SO PROBABLY RIGHT NOW, NOTHING.
BUT AT SOME POINT WITH THE BUDGET, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THE NUMBER OF, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THIS BUDGET.
AND, AND IT WILL SHOW AN INCREASE IN EMPLOYEES.
AND, UH, AND THIS IS NOT ME SPEAKING HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, EVERY YEAR I GET A CALL THAT SAYS, YOU'VE GROWN GOVERNMENT, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ADDED X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND THEY NEVER DIG IN.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, I, I ADDED THEM, BUT I DIDN'T FUND THEM.
AND THEY'RE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
WE DID GROW THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING GOVERNMENT IF WE FIND FUNDING.
BUT IN THE END, WHEN WE'RE FINALIZING A BUDGET, HAVING EXTRA PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE NO, NO, I INTENTIONS OF FUNDING CAN BE CONSTRUED, CONSTRUED AS US GROWING GOVERNMENT UNNECESSARILY.
BUT WE ARE REDUCING OUR TAX RATE NO MATTER WHAT I IS A FACT, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO STAND ON THAT.
IF THERE'S NO DESIRE TO FUND THIS POSITION THOUGH, IT WILL JUST MAKE IT LOOK MORE CLEAN.
WHICH WITH, UH, WHICH MAKES ME HAPPY BECAUSE MY OCD WILL DRIVE ME BANANAS IF I SEE AN UNFUNDED POSITION SITTING THERE,
SO IF IF WE, IF THIS COURT HAS NO DESIRE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, THEN, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S NO REASON TO LEAVE IT THERE.
SO SINCE I HAVEN'T MADE MY MOTION YET, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST REMOVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FROM COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
LOOKS LIKE IT STAYS, IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
SO, UM, DOES THAT WRAP UP YOUR TO-DO LIST ALL MY NOTES? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAD.
WELL, IT WRAPS IT UP, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN ISSUES WE'VE DISCUSSED THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OPEN ISSUES, BUT THINGS WE GOT, THINGS WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY THAT I RAISED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO, BUT YES.
NOTHING NEW ON THE BUDGET TODAY.
COMMISSIONER M**K, WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING ON MY LIST.
JUDGE, DO, DO YOU HAVE YES, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
FOR THE PART-TIME CONSTABLE, THEY WOULD REQUIRE UNIFORM SUPPLY COMPUTER.
WHAT BUDGET WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCLUDE IT IN OUR MOTION? WE DID NOT INCLUDE WHERE TO PAY THAT OUT OF, DID WE? RIGHT.
AND THAT I WOULD RATHER THAT COME FROM FUND 51.
WE, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY THERE.
SO FUND 51, I WILL PUT THAT IN THE REVISIONS ALSO FOR THE JP THE NEW PART-TIMERS, THEY WILL ALSO NEED EQUIPMENT AT APPROXIMATELY 2,900 AND AN OPTION.
DON'T, DON'T THEY HAVE FUND 56.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND FOR THE NEXT DRAFT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE 4% FOR THE INCREASES BE DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS? YES.
I KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T DISCUSSING THE CLERK PAY SCALE, BUT THEY'RE STILL ON THE REVISION SHEET.
I THINK YOU DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT WAS THE DISTRICT CLERK ADDING FOR THE FIVE OH THIRD, DO YOU WANNA WAIT, LEAVE THAT ON THE REVISION SHEET AND PLEASE LEAVE IT ON THE REVISION SHEET? I, I, I WE NEED TO, YEAH.
LEAVE IT AT, WE'RE WAITING ON ACCURATE DATA TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING ON THEIR, ON THEIR PAY.
I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD DOMINATE TUESDAY IF WE GET OUR DATA.
SO, SO HERE'S MELISSA AND I'S INTENTION, UM, WE WILL UPDATE YOUR REVISION SHEET.
WE'LL, WE'RE WORKING ON A VERSION THAT'S UNPRINTED JUST IN THE SOFTWARE THAT WE CAN TELL YOU.
YOU'RE UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW YOUR IMPACT.
AND THEN WE WILL NOT FILE A SECOND DRAFT UNTIL WE GIVE AN INSTRUCTIONS TUESDAY AFTER THE MEETING.
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I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, THANK YOU.[5. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS: Pursuant to Texas Government Code Section 551.0415, the County Judge and the County Commissioners may report on the following items: (1) expression of thanks, congratulations or condolences; (2) information about holiday schedules; (3) recognition of individuals; (4) reminders about upcoming County events; (5) information community events; and (6) announcements involving an imminent threat to public health and safety.]
UM, SO CLOSE FIVE YET.LAST COMMISSIONER ONE, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS? NO, JUST, UH, WISH, UH, COMMISSIONER LICK THE, A HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, MAY, MAY.
MAY HE GRANT YOU PEACE AND JOY, ALL YOUR COMMISSIONER M**K, SAY, HAPPY.
I'VE ALREADY SANG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HIM.
AUGUST 28TH IS A GREAT DATE, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S MY BIRTHDAY, BUT ON AUGUST 28TH, 1963, ONE OF THE GREATEST SPEECHES IN AMERICAN HISTORY WAS GIVEN, IF NOT THE GREATEST, AT LEAST DURING MY LIFETIME.
IN FACT, YI AM SO OLD, I ACTUALLY WATCHED THIS ON TV.
I REMEMBER THIS BEING REPORTED ON THE NEWS THAT NIGHT.
IT WAS THE I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T RE LISTENED TO IT RECENTLY OF, OR IF PER CHANCE ANYONE HASN'T LISTENED TO IT, GO DO SO.
I LISTENED TO IT ON THE WAY IN THIS MORNING.
IT, YOU CAN LITERALLY, IT'S 16 AND A HALF MINUTES AND IT'S JUST, THE ORATORY IS FABULOUS.
AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
AND I'M JUST GONNA, I'M GONNA FINISH BY READING THE LAST, I'M SORRY.
I GET CHOKED UP THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF HIS SPEECH, WHICH IS SO INSPIRING.
AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS, WHEN WE ALLOW FREEDOM RING, WHEN WE LET IT RING FROM EVERY VILLAGE AND EVERY HAMLET FROM EVERY STATE AND EVERY CITY, WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SPEED UP THAT DAY WHEN ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN, BLACK MEN AND WHITE MEN, JEWS AND GENTILES, PROTESTANTS, AND CATHOLICS WILL BE ABLE TO JOIN HANDS AND SING IN THE WORDS OF THAT OLD NEGRO.
WITH THAT, AT 1116, WE'RE ADJOURNED.