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[A) INVOCATION]
MORNING EVERYONE.IT IS SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM I'M GONNA CALL THE SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER.
I'M GONNA LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND ASK COMMISSIONER STACY TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AS YOU'RE ABLE.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU SEEKING YOU TODAY TO SERVE YOU.
ONE WAY WE SERVE YOU IS BY SERVING THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.
PLEASE GIVE US THE COURAGE TO CONTINUE SEEKING YOU.
PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM TO KNOW YOUR WILL WHEN WE FOUND IT.
IT IS IN YOUR BLESSED NAME WE PRAY.
ALRIGHT, FIRST OF THE AMERICAN FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW THE TEXAS HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN MUNICIPAL.
[1. PUBLIC FORUM]
US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.PUBLIC FORUM IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY CAN COME FORWARD NOW.
[2. Discuss/Act on the FY2026 draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) (Part 1 of 2)]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE FY 2026 DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.[3. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
THIS TIME, WE WILL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0.071 AND 5 5 1 0.072 AT 9 0 1.[4. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]
ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, IT'S 9 35.WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, NO ACTION TAKEN.
[2. Discuss/Act on the FY2026 draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) (Part 2 of 2)]
ARE ON AGENDA ITEM TWO, DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE FY 2026 DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.WHO, WHO WANTS TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT? ALRIGHT, JOE.
I WAS JUST GONNA BRING THE SHERIFF UP TO TALK ABOUT IS COMMUNICATION OFFICERS GOOD? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO GO TO.
AS AGAIN, YOU AND I THINK ALIKE, MAN.
YEAH, SHERIFF, PLEASE COME UP HERE.
THAT'S THE MOST I'VE BEEN REQUESTED IN A LONG TIME.
SO LET ME PULL THIS UP REAL QUICK.
CAN YOU SWITCH THAT FOR ME? CAN YOU SWITCH THAT FOR ME? ARE THERE SCREENS? GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
THIS MORNING, ISN'T IT? UM, I KNOW WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL THINGS IN THE, IN THE BUDGET, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.
UH, BUT I DID WANT TO COVER, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH, UH, THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER AND THE DISPATCHERS THAT WE REQUESTED IN THERE.
WE HAD THREE DISPATCH, UM, PERSONNEL REQUESTED.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, 14 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.
AND WE ARE DISPATCHING FOR OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVEL.
UH, THAT ALLOWS US FOR TO HAVE ONE MANAGER, TWO SUPERVISORS, AND THEN, UH, 10 DISPATCHERS WHO ARE SUPERVISED BY THE TWO SUPERVISORS.
UH, ROCKWELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE RECEIVES EMERGENCY CALLS AND DISPATCH FROM SIX DIFFERENT AGENCIES, DISPATCHES FOR SIX DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, MCCLIN CHISHOLM, FIRE DEPARTMENT, FATE POLICE, FATE, FIRE ROYCE CITY POLICE, ROYCE CITY FIRE.
AND WE ALSO RECEIVE CALLS FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY MS FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE, THREE-FOURTHS OF THE COUNTY.
AND AS YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW EMS WORKS, AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRANSFERRED TO, UM, THEIR DISPATCH CENTER.
THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN DISPATCH, WE HAVE THREE, UH, CONSOLES ACTIVE PER SHIFT.
EACH CONSOLE HANDLES CALL TAKING PLUS DISPATCHING.
AND SO THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE CALLS COMING IN AT ANY ONE TIME.
SO DISPATCHING AND CALL TAKING
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MAY BE HANDLED BY THE SAME PERSON, AND THAT, THAT BECOMES VERY STRESSFUL ON 'EM AT TIMES.THIS REQUIRES FIVE FIVE PER CONSOLE FOR A 24 HOUR SEVEN DAY A WEEK COVERAGE, WHICH IS ONE DISPATCHER PER CONSOLE.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE DISPATCHING FOR THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
UH, SO TRYING TO KEEP THAT SEPARATED SOMETIMES IS, IS THE, THE GOAL MINIMUM OF THREE DISPATCHERS PER SHIFT AND WHY THIS MATTERS.
OUR SUPPORT FOR OUR MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATION, WE HAVE A, A CONTRACT, OR IS IT MOU OR CONTRACT
SO THAT ENTAILS CONFIRMING ON THEIR, THEIR COUNTY WARRANTS CONFIRMING ON, UM, IF THEY RUN SOMEONE, IF THEY'RE RUNNING TRAFFIC FOR OFFICER SAFETY AS WELL.
AND SO THIS, UH, SUPPORTS THIS MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATION MAINTAINS RESPONSE TIMES IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
THE DISPATCHERS ARE THE FIRST ONES YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN, UH, THE WORST THING TO HAVE HAPPEN IF YOU CALL 9 1 1 OR EVEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE LINE WITH A CALL, IS TO GET A BUSY SIGNAL OR WAIT FOR A CALL, AND THEY NEVER KNOW WHAT KIND OF CALL IS IS COMING IN.
THIS ADDITIONAL, UH, PERSONNEL WOULD PREVENT SERVICE GAPS DURING PEAK HOURS, AND IT WOULD PROMOTE AN OPERATIONAL PRECISION BY MINIMIZING ERRORS IN CALL HANDLING, WARRANT VERIFICATION, EMERGENCY RESPONSE COORDINATION, AND RADIO COMMUNICATION WITH OTHERS.
SOME OF THE LEGAL AND LIABILITY ISSUES THAT WE FACE IN DISPATCH IS, OR WARRANT CONFIRMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH, EACH DISPATCHER WHEN THEY'RE HANDLING THOSE CALLS, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLEAR IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THEIR, FOR EACH CALL.
AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY'RE HANDLING MULTIPLE CALLS AT ONE TIME.
THE CONFUSION IN THAT IS WHAT CAUSES SOME ERRORS AND ERRORS CAUSED LIABILITY.
JONAH AND SCOPE CLARIFICATION.
THE AGENCY CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DETERMINED BY THE GOVERNING BODY.
UM, COMMISSIONER TY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OTHER CITIES PAYING? UH, JUDGE NEW AND I, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS AGO MADE THE, UH, DECISION ON THIS AS FAR AS WHAT THE OTHER CITIES, THE OTHER ENTITIES ARE PAYING WOULD BE DETERMINANT ON WHAT THEIR, THEIR COST SHOULD BE FOR WHAT SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING THEM.
MY JOB IS TO TELL YOU WHAT IT, WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT JOB, WHAT IT TAKE, HOW MANY PERSONNEL IT WOULD TAKE TO ANSWER THOSE CALLS, TO TRANSFER THOSE CALLS, TO MITIGATE THOSE CALLS, UH, SEND THEM TO THE RIGHT, UH, OFFICER, TO THE RIGHT AGENCY, UH, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, AND WE OPERATE ON, ON DIFFERENT CHANNELS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UH, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND SO OUR, OUR DEPUTIES ARE OFTENTIMES SENT TO ASSIST SOME OF THE OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL.
SO THAT ADDS ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND ADDITIONAL RADIO TIME ADDITIONAL, UH, ISSUES TO THE DISPATCH CENTER.
SO, UM, LIKE IT SAYS HERE, MY ROLE IS TO DEFINE THE STAFFING NEEDS TO MEET THE OPERATIONAL DEMANDS, AND IN CONCLUSION, REQUESTING THREE ADDITIONAL SUP DISPATCH POSITIONS.
UH, NOT REALLY DISCRETIONARY IF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO MAIN BE MAINTAINED, AND IT'S ESSENTIAL TO MEET BASELINE SERVICES FOR OUR CITIZENS AND INVESTING IN DISPATCHER TRAINING TECHNOLOGY AND STAFFING ISN'T JUST AN OPERATIONAL EXPENSE, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE.
AND AN IMPERATIVE DISPATCHERS ARE NOT JUST CALL TAKERS, THEY'RE CRISIS MANAGERS, LEGAL SAFEGUARDS AND LIFELINES FOR BOTH CITIZENS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
THAT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES GOES UNNOTICED BECAUSE I, I'VE ALWAYS USED AN ANALOGY FOR DISPATCH.
IT'S KINDA LIKE DRIVING A SUBMARINE AT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR.
UH, THEY, THEY CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY'RE DEPENDING ON, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING THEM ON THE PHONE, WHAT THE EMERGENCY IS TRYING TO TRANSFER THAT INFORMATION.
SO IT'S A VERY STRESSFUL JOB, UH, IN THAT DISPATCH CENTER.
AND SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THIS AND THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE FOR, UH, OUR, OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, OUR CITIZENS, AND OUR OFFICERS, OUR DEPUTIES, UM, WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY STRESSFUL JOB.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU, YOU MIGHT ASK FOR THERE.
UH, THERE, THERE WERE SOME, UH, PAY ISSUES THAT WERE ASKED FOR ON THAT TO TRY TO KEEP US, UM, IN A RANGE WITH THE OTHER DISPATCH CENTER IN THE COUNTY, WHICH THERE'S ONLY, THERE ARE ONLY TWO DISPATCH CENTERS IN THE COUNTY CURRENTLY, AND THAT'S ROCKWALL AND ROCKWALL COUNTY.
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ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF GARRETT? UM, NO, BUT QUESTIONS FOR THE COURT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.OKAY, GO AHEAD THEN, THEN I'LL WAIT.
SO, UM, SHERIFF GARRETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, DO YOU HAVE, FROM THE, FROM THE, I GUESS THE MANAGER OR EITHER THE TWO SUPERVISORS THAT YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE AN OPERATIONAL REPORT, LIKE ON A MONTHLY BASIS THAT KIND OF WILL, WILL GIVE US STATISTICS AS TO THE NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND THE REASON FOR THE, THE THE ADDITIONAL STAFF? YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CALLS CALL, WELL, NOT ONLY, YEAH, I KNOW YOU GET THE CALLS, BUT I GUESS, SO THE CALLS, YES.
BUT THEN THE ONES THAT I THINK ARE THAT, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANY ERRORS THAT ARE BEING MADE AND THE LIABILITY.
IS THERE ANY TYPE OF STATISTICAL THAT YOU HAD DATA AND REPORTS THAT SHOW, SHARE THAT WITH US AS FAR AS THOSE OP SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING THE OPERATIONAL DEMANDS? WE, WE DO HAVE STATISTICS.
UH, YOU KNOW, CALLS COME IN SOMETIMES THAT ARE EMERGENCY CALLS THAT COME IN ON THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE LINES AND VICE VERSA.
UH, SO SOME OF THOSE ARE KIND OF HARD TO TRACK AS FAR AS THE CALLS COMING IN.
BUT ALL OF OUR DISPATCH CALLS THAT ARE GOING OUT THERE ON OUR CAD THAT, UH, THE DISPATCHERS WILL SEND OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
AND WHAT TYPE OF CALLS, SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE NUMBERS THAT, THAT ARE BEING CALLED THAT, THAT SOME CALLS YOU SAY COME IN ON, ARE THOSE FROM THE, ARE THEY, THEY'RE NOT FROM THE CITIZENS 'CAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY DOWN ONE.
SO THEY HAVE THAT, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ADMINISTRATIVE NUMBER OR, AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, WE HAVE 3 9 1 1 LINES FROM NORTH, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS 9 1 1, UH, COG THAT COME INTO OUR DISPATCH CENTER.
UH, WE HAVE HAD, AND I MENTIONED THIS DURING OUR FIRST BUDGET PRESENTATION, WE'VE GROWN IN POPULATION, UH, APPROXIMATELY 93% SINCE 2017.
SO THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN TO OUR COMMUNICATION CENTERS, BOTH COMMUNICATION CENTERS HAVE OBVIOUSLY INCREASED JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF, OF PEOPLE MOVING IN AND THE NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THOSE 3 9 1 1 LINES THAT COME IN ARE FUNDED BY NCT 9 1 1.
IF WE REQUIRE ADDITIONAL NUMBERS, ADDITIONAL LINES COMING IN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET, MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD FOR THE 9 1 1 EQUIPMENT TO BE ADDED TO THAT.
SO, UH, WHICH THAT, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT BECAUSE SOME OF THE, THE ACTUAL CALLS COME IN THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE LINE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES.
I JUST DO DO, DO WE HAVE, DO THE, UH, DISPATCHERS KEEP A RECORD OF THAT? SO WE HAVE, WE, WE CAN TELL WHAT 9 1 1 CALLS COME IN AND THEN THE NUMBER OF CALLS DISPATCHED.
THE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SELF-INITIATED CALLS FROM THE DEPUTIES AND OFFICERS IN THESE ENTITIES.
UH, THOSE, THOSE ALSO GO THROUGH DISPATCH BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO OKAY.
THEIR CALLS OR WHEN THEY CHECK OUT ON AN EXTRA PATROL OR TRAFFIC STOP AND, AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT IS, IS STILL TECHNICALLY A CALL.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF, IF WE, IF THE COURT COULD HAVE SOME, UH, COPIES OF THOSE, THOSE, YOU KNOW, REPORTS AND NOT, NOT A WHOLE YEAR'S WORTH, BUT MAYBE IF YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WORTH THAT MAY GIVE US, 'CAUSE I LOVE THAT YOU, THAT YOU SUPPORT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN SUPPORTS THE GROWING OF THE COUNTY, AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING GOOD CHOICES AND DECISIONS.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, AND THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THIS, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 24 7 COVERAGE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
BUT DID WE ADD A NEW CONSOLE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, OR RECENTLY? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
THAT WILL BE ADDED IN THE REMODEL.
WE WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONSOLE IN THE, IN THE REMODEL.
SO DO WE HAVE TWO NOW OR THREE NOW? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE CONSOLES, THREE NOW.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO WHAT, UH, I THINK WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE REMODEL, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL CONSOLE SPACES AND, AND ANOTHER THING IN THE OPERATION THAT WE COULD GET INTO THE WEEDS AS FAR AS THE OPERATION, BUT AT SOME POINT THE CALLS COMING IN, YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT MODELS LIKE A CALL TAKER MODEL.
YOU HAVE A CALL TAKER THAT ANSWERS THE CALLS, TRANSFERS THOSE TO THE DISPATCHER.
THE DISPATCHER WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONE JUST TALKING ON THE RADIO TO THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT POINT.
UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU MAY BE WORKING A CONSOLE THAT IS, UM, CONTROLLING ROYCE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU GET A CALL, YOU PICK UP THE 9 1 1 CALL, AND IT MAY BE FOR FATE.
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TO ENTER THAT CALL WHILE YOU'RE STILL DOING SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER AGENCY.SO THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS THAT WE CAN USE, AND WE WILL, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THOSE, UH, AS WE GO ALONG ON A DAILY BASIS, EVEN TO SEE IF WE NEED CALL TAKERS THAT WILL JUST ANSWER THE 9 1 1 AND ADMINISTRATIVE CALLS AND THEN THE DISPATCHERS.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT, IT COVERS THE GAMUT AND WE TRY TO SPREAD OUT THAT, THAT WORKLOAD.
SO EVERYONE IN THERE, YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE WORKING AT THE SAME TIME AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE SAME CONSOLE, THEN THEY MAY HAVE TO SPREAD THAT OUT.
YOU MAY WORK THAT WITH TWO DIFFERENT CONSOLES.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS.
YOU DO A GREAT JOB AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I, AND I LIKE THE, THE DIFFERENTIATION YOU MADE BETWEEN YOUR JOB IS TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE, HOW WE FUND IT.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA ADD TWO MORE WHEN WE DO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL BE PROBABLY COMING BACK ASKING FOR, EVEN IF WE STAFF ALL THREE OF THESE, YOU'LL BE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, THEN I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION AFFIRMATIVELY.
UH, THAT SOME OF THAT WILL DEPEND ON, ON THE CALL LOAD COMING IN AND WHAT THOSE, UM, CALL TAKERS AND DISPATCHERS ARE ACTUALLY WHAT THEIR CALL LOAD IS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GET ANOTHER, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SET IN TRAININGS BEFORE WHERE WE HEAR STORIES OF LIKE THE ALLEN A MALL, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, THEIR, EVERY ONE OF THEIR CALL, NINE ONE ONE CALL LINES WERE OVERLOADED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
AND, UH, SO THEN YOU HAVE DISPATCHERS HAVING TO PUT THE CALLS OUT, ANSWERING THE CALLS, AND RESPOND TO A SHOOTING THAT'S GOING ON.
BEING A PART OF NCT 9 1 1 ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO ROLL THOSE NUMBERS OVER.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T ANSWER ON OURS, IT COULD ROLL OVER TO ROCKWALL.
AT ONE POINT THEY WERE USING, I BELIEVE IT WAS JOHNSON COUNTY OR ANOTHER COUNTY THAT WAS ABLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE 9 1 1 CT, 9 1 1 SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SOME OF THEIR EMERGENCY CALLS.
CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK OVER THE MATH ON YOUR SLIDE, UM, ABOUT STAFFING? UM, JUST, JUST BECAUSE YOU WENT PRETTY QUICK.
YOU, YOU HAD ONE WHERE IT SAID LIKE, IT TAKES SEVEN OR FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO STAFF A CONSOLE.
SO YOU HAVE THREE CONSOLES AND YOU'RE SAYING IT TAKES FIVE, SO IT TAKES 15 TO MAN, THREE CONSOLES.
SO IF YOU HAD FOUR, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD SAY IT WOULD TAKE 20.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FOUR CONSOLES? CORRECT.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE THREE SUPERVISORS? THE TWO SUPERVISORS AND THE MANAGER? THE SUPERVISOR ACTUALLY DISPATCHES AND THE MANAGER, UH, IS A CERTIFIED DISPATCHER.
AND WOULD YOU KNOW WHEN NEEDED DO THAT? TH THESE COVER FOR, UM, VACATION TIMES TIME OFF AND MAKING SURE, YEAH, I, I GET ALL THAT, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING TO, TO LAUREN'S QUESTION AS FAR AS WHERE WE GOING MM-HMM
WHICH, WHICH IS, OKAY, SO WE HAVE, DID YOU SAY YOU HAD 11? THERE'S 14 IN THERE NOW, 11 DISPATCHERS, AND THEN IT WOULD BE TWO SUPERVISORS AND A MANAGER.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS.
YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 12 OF OUR YEAH, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT POSITIONS FOR A SECOND.
SO THEN BASICALLY TO LAUREN'S POINT, BASED UPON THIS MATH, WE WILL QUICKLY BE GOING TO ADDING SIX POSITIONS.
I, I MEAN, IT'S, IT MIGHT NOT BE IMMEDIATE IN, IN FY 27.
SO, SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING TO THE ADDITIONAL CONSOLES, SOMETIMES THOSE CONSOLES ARE DOWN, SOMETIMES WE WILL HAVE, UH, SOMEONE WORKING, YOU KNOW, AS A CALL TAKER OR, UH, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER EVENT.
SO, AND AS WE GROW THROUGH DURING THE REMODEL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT ALREADY THERE AND READY TO GO.
SO, SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT ONCE THIS REMODEL IS DONE AND WE HAVE THE SIX CONSOLES IN THERE, THAT WE WILL BE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 10 NEXT YEAR.
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DISPATCHERS AND THEN YOU HAVE, AND THEN IN THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE A MANAGER AND TWO SUPERVISORS.'CAUSE THOSE POSITIONS WERE UPGRADED IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
SO THEN IF WE DID THIS, IF WE ADDED THESE THREE, THAT WOULD GET YOU 14 DISPATCHERS AND MANAGEMENT.
WHICH ACCORDING TO YOUR NUMBERS, MANAGES THOSE THREE CONSOLES.
MANAGE IT GIVES YOU THE COVERAGE OF THE, THE MANAGER MANAGE THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO USE THE WORD MANAGE.
THEY GIVES YOU THE COVERAGE ON ALL THREE OF THOSE CONSOLES.
TO KEEP 'EM FULLY OPERATIONAL AND FULLY STAFFED AND, AND CORRECT.
THE SPAN OF CONTROL IS, IS MANAGEABLE WITH THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IN ANY AMOUNT OF DEPTH IS THE PAY.
UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO INCREASE THE SU THE, THE PAY FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS BECAUSE OF MARKET COMPETITIVENESS OF THE COMPETING DISPATCH CENTER.
THERE'S TWO DISPATCH CENTERS IN THE SAME COUNTY.
SO ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO, OH WAIT, THIS DISPATCH CENTER PAYS MORE AND THEN GO APPLY BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET DISPATCHERS.
SO, SO COMMISSIONER STACY, IS THAT THE TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX NINE FIFTY FIVE THAT IS ON? UM, NOPE, THAT'S JUST ADD THE DISPATCHERS.
SO, UM, THE DISPATCH MANAGER HAS WRITTEN AN EMAIL FOR THE COURT, UM, ABOUT WHY THE PAY IS IMPORTANT.
IT CAN BE SUMMARIZED VERY QUICKLY IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S A HARD, STRESSFUL JOB AND THAT THERE IS, THERE IS A READILY AVAILABLE MARKET IN THE SAME EXACT TOWN.
IF YOU WANTED TO SUMMARIZE IT IN A VERY QUICK THING, COMPETITIVE PAY IS REAL BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOWN THEY DRIVE TO, TO GO FROM ONE DISPATCH CENTER TO THE OTHER DISPATCH CENTER.
AND STAFFING A DISPATCH CENTER IS HARD BECAUSE OF THE STRESS AND THE TRAINING TO BRING PEOPLE ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE CAPTAIN BROWN SLOWLY WORKING HIS WAY UP, UM, AS HE'S, UH, THE BA BASICALLY THE OPERATIONS GUY, UH, A DAILY GUY ON THE, ON THE SHERIFF'S SIDE.
BUT WE, WE HAVE TO AVOID EMPTY POSITIONS AND DISPATCH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS, UM, ADDING POSITIONS.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER GOANA HAS BEEN SO ADAMANT ABOUT THE CLERK'S OFFICES IS TURNOVER.
ONE THING WE CAN'T ALLOW TO HAPPEN IS PAY TO GET SO FAR BEHIND ON THE DISPATCH CENTER THAT THEN WE START HAVING ISSUES WITH OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER AS WELL.
IN, IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA, THE AVERAGE, UH, IS 52,000 AND SOME CHANGE FOR A STARTING DISPATCHER.
WE ARE CURRENTLY AT STARTING, UH, 49 ROCKWALL PD, UH, IN, IN THE SAME COUNTY IS 52 9.
SO, UM, I DID SOME MATH 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO DO.
AND, UM, I TOOK, I TOOK THE NAME OFF BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD NOW OF THE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS DONE BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE ON TRYING TO CALCULATE PAY.
AND WHAT I DID WAS IS THIS WILL HAVE WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT FOR THE DISPATCH CENTER, AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE HONORED THE REQUEST AND IT'S $96,262.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED THAT VERIFIED BECAUSE THIS IS ME JUST GRABBING A SPREADSHEET AND, AND DOING MATH.
UM, BUT WE DID ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THESE RAISES IN THE DRAFT, WHICH IS WHAT I WANTED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER REALLY LOOK LIKE? UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE SALARIES LOOK LIKE VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD BE IF WE GRANTED THE 13.5% INCREASE.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, SUPERVISORS THEY ASKED FOR 12.8%.
AND IS THIS SALARY ONLY OR DOES IT INCLUDE A, UM, FULLY LOADED, YOU MEAN? YEAH, THE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS FULLY LOADED.
I GRABBED THIS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE.
THE ONLY THING I COULD GRAB AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE GRANTED THE REQUESTS WHEN WE DID THE, UM, UH, THE, THE SPREADSHEET WE GOT, LIKE WITH THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, UM, THEY CALCULATED IT TO BE 92 0 5 4 ON THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, WHICH WOULD BE ROLL UP AND THEN 18.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE ABOUT 15% HIGHER IF YOU LOOKED AT FULL IMPACT.
BUT THE FIRST DRAFT ALSO HAS SOME LOAD IN IT, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EXACT, SO I JUST HAD
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TO USE THE METRIC.WHATEVER METRIC WAS BEING USED, I USED IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE, UM, ON THIS, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE CURRENTLY THREE PEOPLE AT WHAT, I GUESS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, SHERIFF GARRETT SAY THE THE MINIMUM STARTING SALARY, WHICH IS $49,000.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND IN THE FIRST FIRST DRAFT, TWO OF THOSE STAYED AT 49,000, ONE WENT TO 50,960.
IT'S NOT A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS.
BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO ARE EMPTY POSITIONS.
SO, BUT THEN YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE RAISING THE MINIMUM FROM, AND WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING HERE FROM 49, WHICH IS THE CURRENT MINIMUM TO 55, WHICH IS SOUNDS LIKE 3 55 6 SOUNDS LIKE $3,000 ABOVE WHAT THE COMPETITIVE SALARIES ARE.
THIS IS, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHERIFF GAR SAID, YOU, YOU ARE A, YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
THIS IS HONORING THE REQUEST THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET.
I JUST WANTED TO DO THE MATH ON WHAT WAS ASKED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WAS ASKED.
WHAT WHAT THE COMPLICATING PART IS.
CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? YES, YOU CAN PLEASE.
SO THE OTHER THING ON THESE NUMBERS, THE BASE LEVEL NUMBERS, THE TWO UNFILLED POSITIONS AT 49,000, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH HERE IN AT SOME POINT BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 30TH, UM, IS INCREASING THE PAY RANGES MM-HMM
UM, WHICH IS ON OUR LIST OF ITEMS. DOES THAT IN GET INCLUDED IN INCREASING THESE MINIMUMS OR IS IT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S NOT IN THAT? WELL, NO, IT IS, IT IS INCLUDED THE, THIS THIS IS PART OF, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON THE STEP PLAN.
SO THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE MOVEMENT.
SO IF WE BUMPED EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS THAT 4% OR 5.7? THAT'S 5.7.
SO THE 5.7, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROPOSALS ON THE TABLE, UM, WOULD THANKS FOR DOING THE MATH FOR ME.
UM, WOULD BE 51 7 93 WOULD BRING THAT MINIMUM UP TO THAT, WHICH WOULD GET US CLOSER TO WHAT THE COMPETITIVE SALARIES ARE.
AND KEEP IN MIND THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR COMPETITIVE SALARIES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, WE CAN ONLY DEAL WITH THE FACTS BEFORE US.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAD, WE HAD REQUESTED FOR, UH, FOR THAT TO MOVE UP TO 55, 6 40 UNDERSTOOD.
SO, SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF WE BUMP THE BRACKETS EITHER 5.7 OR FOUR OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE, THIS, THIS 49 NUMBER WILL NO LONGER BE IN EXISTENCE.
AND THEN THE, THE SECOND PART I WAS GONNA SAY IS IT IS AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE OLD SCALE FROM A, FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIVE TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT, SEVEN, AND THEN ON THE SUPERVISORS FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT NINE TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT 11, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A GREAT ENHANCEMENT.
UM, AND UNTIL WE KIND OF APPROVE A, A, A SALARY SCALE, WHICH I KNOW IS DEFINITELY ON THE TABLE FOR US TO DISCUSS, IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT, THAT IMPACT IS.
WHICH IS WHY I JUST TRIED TO, TO PUT IT, TO PUT IT OUT ON A PIECE OF PAPER SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND WHAT THE CURRENT STAFFING LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE CURRENT SALARIES WERE AND WHAT THIS, UH, UH, REQUEST FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD BE.
BECAUSE, UM, THAT MINIMUM, IF, IF THEY GOT THEIR GRANT, THEIR GRANTED OFFER, IT WOULD BE AN UPGRADE ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, PAY SCALE.
SO THE, THE MINIMUM WOULD COME IN A LOT CLOSER TO 55 6.
BUT IF WE KEPT 'EM ON THE SAME, IT WOULD COME IN JUST UNDER 52 DOING THE 5.7.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED THE COURT TO SEE WHAT THE REQUEST WAS AND, AND TO KNOW THAT I I, I FEEL LIKE IF, IF, IF THE POINT OF WORKING WITH THE CLERKS IS TO, TO HOLD RETENTION AND, UM, AND TO HAVE COMPETITIVE STARTING PAY SO THEY DON'T JUST RUN TO OTHER JOBS, WE CAN RETAIN PEOPLE.
THIS, I THINK PUTS IT EVEN AT A LEVEL HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFICATION OF THE JOB.
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JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT ONLY RETENTION FOR THE CLERKS, IT'S PAYING THEM COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR PEERS, UH, IN SIMILAR JOB DUTIES ON THE STUDY THAT WE DID MM-HMMSO, UH, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING THIS, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE FOR THE SAME PURPOSES BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT SAYS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT, UH, TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S, IT'S, UH, LISTEN, IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT RETENTION, UH, FOR THE CLERKS.
UM, BECAUSE WE CAN HIRE PEOPLE IN THOSE ROLES.
THEY MAY NOT STAY VERY LONG, BUT WE CAN HIRE 'EM, UM, WHEN WE NEED 'EM.
UH, BUT ARE WE PAYING PEOPLE THE RIGHT WAGE COMPARED TO THEIR PEERS? AND NOT THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE TOP, BUT TO BE CLOSE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
ARE WE PAYING DISPATCHERS SIMILAR TO THEIR PEERS? MM-HMM
AND, AND, AND THAT IS IN OUR SET A QUESTION WE WE HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT I'M GONNA REMIND US AGAIN, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT RETIREMENT AND INSURANCE.
UH, THAT THAT'S ALSO A, A FACTOR.
TOPPED UP IS A FACTOR, BUT EVERYBODY HAS RETIREMENT AND INSURANCE.
I MEAN, OR OR NOT EVERYBODY HAS GOOD RETIREMENT.
TAMMY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT TAMMY, DO YOU HAVE OR SHARE, OR SHERIFF GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE AN ATTRITION REPORT FOR THIS PO THIS THIS PO THESE POSITIONS? AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATION, AS FAR AS THE DISPATCH, AS FAR AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND I, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT REPORT WITH THE CLERKS AND THAT WAS, UH, TWO TO THREE YEARS OF GIVING US SOME DATA ON THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND ON THAT AS FAR AS THIS, THIS POSITION, THIS ROLE.
WELL, SHE'S, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO RECENT RESIGNATIONS.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE TWO VACANCIES FOR DISPATCH.
AND THOSE WERE IN RECENT MONTHS.
UM, AND I JUST HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN GENERAL, UM, SEPARATE FROM DETENTIONS.
UM, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING.
YEAH, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING.
BUT DID THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE AT ABOUT 10% TOTAL FOR THE OPERATIONS SIDE.
THAT, AND DID THEY LEAVE TO GO TO, UM, ANOTHER, UM, SIMILAR POSITION? THIS IS STRESSFUL.
I I THINK IT'S A VERY STRESSFUL JOB.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S A REASON WHY DISPATCH CENTERS ARE COLD AND DARK
EVERYONE I'VE BEEN IN IS IT'S, THE LIGHTS ARE OFF AND IT'S 50 DEGREES IN THERE.
UM, I I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE, WHILE WE VARIOUS REASONS AS TO WHY SHE SAID VARIOUS REASONS.
UM, IF YOU GET THE THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, PERSONNEL THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO BRING ON AN ADDITIONAL AGENCY? UH, IF, IF WE GOT THOSE THREE DISPATCHERS, WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY IF YOU QUIT SHAKING YOUR HEAD, LET THE SHERIFF ANSWER THE QUESTION
SO, BUT LIKE WE DID WHEN WE, WHEN WE BROUGHT FATE ON, UH, WHAT IS TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT? YOU, YOU AUTHORIZED THREE, YOU FUNDED THEM THIS YEAR, AND SO WE GOT THEM UP AND, AND RUNNING.
WE DID BRING THEM ON BOARD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY FULLY, FULLY STAFFED FOR THAT.
SO IT, IT WOULD NEED TO BE A SIMILAR, SO YES.
AND SO THEN THAT ALSO BRINGS UP THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A $236,000 ASK TO BRING PEOPLE ON BOARD.
DO WE BRING ONE PERSON ON AND THEN DO THE RAISES AND THEN EITHER NOT FUND TWO OR MAYBE NOT FUND ONE POSITION SO THAT THE SHERIFF WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO HIRE IF, IF THE SB 22 OR SOMETHING WERE TO COME IN LATER, UM, BUT THEN WE COULD GET THE, UH, GET THE RAISES AND, AND GET THE, THOSE FOLKS WHERE THEY ARE AND THEN, AND THEN GIVE ONE MORE POSITION THAT COULD BE OPEN AND BE ABLE TO BE FILLED.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF SB 22 CAN BE USED FOR DISPATCH? I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I BE, THERE'S A RELATED QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS COURT, UM, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE SHERIFF GARRETT'S DELINEATION OF RESPONSIBILITY.
SO IF WE FUNDED WHAT IS SHOWN IN THIS REQUEST AND ON THIS LINE ITEM, IT WOULD ADD $236,955 TO THE BUDGET.
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THAT DOESN'T ENCOMP ENCOMPASS THE WAGE INCREASE AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF WE'RE ABSORBING ANOTHER $236,955 AND WE'RE PROVIDING SERVICE TO SIX DIFFERENT AGENCIES, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ARE WE GETTING FROM THOSE AGENCIES? WELL, WHATEVER REVENUE WE'RE GETTING IS BEING BROUGHT IN AS REVENUE.WOULDN'T THAT BE CORRECT? IT IT, IT IS.
WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION THOUGH.
IF OUR COSTS ARE GOING UP, HOW MUCH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE MANAGING FOR SIX AGENCIES BESIDES OURSELVES.
SO SEVEN, I KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME ALLOCATION OF THIS ADDITIONAL COST.
AND IN THE CONTEXT OF MAKING A BUDGET DECISION, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT REVENUE AS WELL AS EXPENSES.
WHAT IF WE INCREASE $236,955? WHAT IS OUR OFFSETTING REVENUE INCREASE? THE UH, 2025 BUDGET WAS TWO 50 AND IT'S GOING TO THREE 50.
SO IT'S GOING UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WHICH LINE ITEM ARE YOU ON? THAT IS GONNA BE LINE ITEM 3 42 20 ON PAGE ONE OF THE BUDGET.
WAS THAT DONE IN CONTEMPLATION OF ADDING THESE AND IS THAT BEEN HOW, HOW DOES OUR DEAL WORK WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES? UM, SO, UH, WE, WE HAD, UH, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ROY CITY AND FATE BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR DEAL WORKS WITH THE AGENCIES, BUT ROY CITY AND FATE, WE DISPATCH FOR THERE FOR FATE'S DPS AND FOR ROY CITY'S POLICE.
AND I BELIEVE THE FIRE AS WELL, RIGHT? BUT HOW DOES THE REVENUE DEAL WORK? UM, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND? SO THAT PROBABLY HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY OF FATE.
THEY HAD A BIG SOFTWARE PURCHASE TO BUY TO SWITCH FROM WHOEVER THEY WERE USING TO US.
SO WE GAVE THEM A DEAL THE FIRST YEAR THAT WENT AWAY, THE SECOND YEAR.
SO THAT, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF PROBABLY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND COMING ON BOARD.
SO THAT, IF I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION, AND I KNOW I'M A NOVICE AT THIS 'CAUSE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE I'VE DEALT WITH BEFORE, BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT, THEN THE THREE 50 SHOULD ACTUALLY BE INCREASED BECAUSE WE'RE OUR COSTS ARE INCREASING.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHAT ARE THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE? WHAT, WHAT ARE THESE OTHER ENTITIES PAYING US? AND WHEN DO THOSE AGREEMENTS EXPIRE AND COME UP FOR RENEWAL? HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? SO ROYCE CITY AND FATE ARE ON A THREE YEAR DEAL, WHICH JUST RENEWS AFTER THAT.
AND IT WAS A THREE YEAR STAGGERED.
UH, AND HERE, HERE'S YOUR FIRST YEAR, HERE'S YOUR SECOND YEAR, HERE'S YOUR THIRD YEAR.
AND THEN IT'S THAT UNTIL WE REACH A NEW AGREEMENT, UH, IF THERE'S SEVEN ENTITIES THAT WE DISPATCH FOR, I HAVE NO IDEA.
THE FIVE OTHER WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, IF ANY AGREEMENTS WE HAVE.
LISA, DO YOU HAVE THOSE THAT YOU COULD ACCESS? YEAH, MELISSA'S
I, IT'LL TAKE A BIT, OBVIOUSLY.
JUDGE, I THINK MCCLENDON CHISHOLM ALSO IS ONE OF OUR DISPATCH SERVICE REVENUES.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING UP WHAT THE OTHER ONES ARE.
I DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT THOUGH HERE.
SO THE CONTRACT IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT.
WHEN DID IT START? WE REDID THEM LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE IN YEAR TWO WITH FATE, WHICH WE, WE REDID ROY CITY AS WELL.
WE REDID ROY CITY AT THE SAME TIME.
ARE THEY BASED UPON ANY KIND OF CALL VOLUME? I MEAN WE JUST GOT DONE DOING THIS AGREEMENT WITH WILEY, WHERE WILEY SAID, WE WILL PROVIDE SERVICES FOR YOU ON A KIND CALL VOLUME BASIS.
IS THIS WHAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE? NO, NO.
THERE THERE'S NO NO LIMITATIONS OR NO, NOT BASED ON VOLUME.
BECAUSE MY GUESS IS IF WE HAVE A CURRENTLY 14 AND WE WANT TO ADD THREE MORE, WHICH WOULD PUT US TO 17, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN THIS DEPARTMENT.
AND I WOULD THINK IF WE'RE DOING THIS FOR OTHER AGENCIES, WE SHOULD BE ALLOCATING IT ON SOME SORT OF RATIONAL BASIS.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE IT, I MEAN IF IT'S 10,000 FROM MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, THAT THAT SEEMS OFF
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I WOULD SUSPECT THAT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT DAYS MAYBE, BUT WE'RE IN THE TIME NOW THAT WE NEED
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TO HAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS IN FRONT OF US AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE WHEN THEY EXPIRE AND WHEN TO NEGOTIATE.AND THEY SHOULD BE BASED ON SOME KIND OF DATA VOLUME REALLY.
AND WE CAN PREDICT THAT VOLUME OUT TO GET, I KNOW THEY HAVE TO BUDGET TOO, AND WE CAN PREDICT THAT VOLUME OUT, UH, WITH THE HELP OF CAPTAIN BROWN, SHERIFF GARRETT.
WE CAN PREDICT THOSE VOLUMES OUT.
BUT WE, WE HAVE TO KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD BE SITTING HERE ARGUING ABOUT THIS 200 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS AND HAVE THE REVENUE TO SUPPORT IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE REVENUE TO SUPPORT IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE REVENUE TO SUPPORT OUR SHARE OF IT.
DO YOU SEE THE INTERLOCALS MELISSA THERE? WHAT? I I DO NOT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS YEAR, UM, ROYCE CITY AND FATE EACH PAID 120,000 AND MCLENNAN PAID 10,000 AND NET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 FATE IN THEIR AGREEMENT.
I DO KNOW THEIR ONE 50 MCLENNAN REMAINS AT 10.
AND ROY CITY, I BELIEVE HA DOES HAVE TO BE RENEWED.
THESE, THESE AGREEMENTS REALLY SHOULD BE NOT BE FOR THREE YEAR TERMS WITH AS FAST AS WE'RE GROWING.
I MEAN, THEY COULD BE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RIGHT TO RENEW BASED ON SOME KIND OF GROWTH FACTOR.
WELL, THEY OR THEY SHOULD BE BASED ON REVENUE INCOME BASED UPON SOME SORT OF FORMULA IT THAT ALLOWS GROWTH.
YEAH, I MEAN, LISTEN TO REMEMBER, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING ALL OF THE HOUSING COSTS AND BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, BUILDINGS, MAINTENANCE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD FACILITIES.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE PERSONNEL GOING INTO OUR COST.
AS USUAL, BOBBY, YOU AND I AGREE AS USUAL.
WELL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LEY FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION TOO.
WELL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR THANKS, GINA, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY, WE GOTTA ASSUME THERE'S NO MORE REVENUE.
AM I WRONG? UM, NONE BEYOND WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN OUR, WHAT'S IN OUR BUDGET.
BUT, BUT IF CURRENT ILA RIGHT? THE TRI.
BUT IF RO CITY, YOU SAID IS UP, I MEAN THAT'S ONE THAT IS BEING COUNTED CURRENTLY THAT WE DO NEED TO RENEW.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE UP.
UM, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW MY INTENTIONS WERE THEY, PRIOR TO ME BEING THE JUDGE, THEY WERE ON AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS, I'M GONNA SAY CLOSER TO MCCLENDON, CHISHOLM'S A, A AGREEMENT.
SO I WAS BRINGING FATE ON BOARD AND, AND THE SHERIFF IS CORRECT.
WE'D TALKED ABOUT A STAGGERED APPROACH OF BRINGING THEM IN, TRAINING THEM, AND THEN GETTING FATE ON BOARD.
UH, I ALLOWED FATE TO, UM, HAVE A, A LOWERED AMOUNT JUST TO GET THEIR SOFTWARE.
I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING ROYCE CITY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP IF FATE IS GETTING A LOWER DEAL, ESPECIALLY FROM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE PAYING LIKE $40,000 A YEAR IS WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE PAYING US.
UH, SO I'VE JUST MOVED THEM UP WITH FATE.
UM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF ONE 50 IS THE TOP.
I I VAGUELY, AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME AND IT'S ALWAYS BAD WHEN I TRY TO RELY ON MY MEMORY, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT, IT GOES TO TWO, WHICH IS WHERE IT STAYS.
SO BOTH ROYCE CITY AND FATE WOULD, WOULD GO AT THE SAME.
AND, UM, NOW MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
SO THAT BRINGS US UP TO THREE OF THE SEVEN.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOUR ARE.
UM, HE, HE HAD 'EM ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
OH, DID I? DID I MISS IT? WELL, I THINK LIKE ROY CITY, ONE WOULD BE POLICE AND ONE WOULD BE OH, OKAY.
FIRES THAT'D BE TWO FOR ROY CITY.
SO ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT COVERS AGENCIES, OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
SO WHAT, WHAT I COUNTED HERE WERE THE, THE AGENCIES, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE CITIES OR ENTITIES GOT, SO ROY CITY IS TWO AGENCIES.
ROCKWELL COUNTY, YOU HAVE ROCKWELL COUNTY, AND THEN A COUNTY MCLENNAN CHISHOLM WITH THAT, THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN FATE WITH POLICE AND FIRE.
SO THERE'S NOT THREE MORE MYSTERY AGENCIES OUT THERE,
UM, SO YEAH, I'LL, I'LL FIND, I'LL FIND THE AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WE HAVE WITH FATE AND ROY CITY, BUT, BUT I THINK IT IS, AT LEAST FOR THIS BUDGET, UH, DID WE DO ANYTHING WITH HEATH? NO.
HEATH USES THE CITY OF ROCKWALL? NOT YET.
THAT WAS MY REASON FOR MY QUESTION.
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SO, AND, AND TOO, KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CONSOLES THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMPUTE THIS OF, OF WHAT IT TAKES AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, TO, TO CHARGE UNDER THE CONTRACT.HISTORICALLY, THE NUMBER OF DISPATCHERS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY A DISPATCH AGENCY TO AN AGENCY LIKE HEATH OR ROY CITY IS LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR ONE OR YOU GONNA PAY FOR TWO.
THAT BECOMES CUMBERSOME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DO WELL, DOES ROY CITY OWN THAT PERSON? DOES HEATH OWN THAT PERSON DOES FATE ON THAT PERSON? SO THE CONTRACT AMOUNT IS FOR THE JOB BEING DONE.
SO, AND, AND BECAUSE, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, HOW, HOW WELL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER AND MUTUAL AID EACH OTHER, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT EACH AGENCY HAS BECAUSE THAT MAY ROLL ROLLOVER TO US RESPONDING TO SOME CALLS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAN THAT CONSOLE? SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE MULTIPLE CALLS IN AT ONE TIME FROM ONE AGENCY OR MORE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I REMEMBER THAT BEING OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT BRINGING FATE ON BOARD.
AND I TOTALLY GET THAT THIS WILL BE AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE DISCUSSION BECAUSE, UM, WITH, IF WE LOOKED AT IT JUST LIKE IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, WELL, IT'S LIKE ALLOCATING OVERHEAD AND YOU SPREAD IT OUT AND HERE'S WHAT EVERYBODY PAYS.
HERE'S YOUR RE YOUR PROJECTED COSTS.
AND THAT SOUNDS REAL GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY AND IT'S NOT NEARLY THAT, UH, SMOOTH WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CORRECT OR CHANGE THE TERMS OF A TRANSACTION.
BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK TOWARD TO FIGURE OUT, AND IT WILL BRING UP OTHER DISCUSSIONS FACE, IT'LL BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF FIREFIGHTING AND ALL THESE THINGS WILL COME INTO PLAY.
BUT WE, I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY.
AND I, I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT WE AS A COUNTY JUST IMPOSE WHATEVER WE WANT ON PEOPLE, BECAUSE AS DANA WOULD TELL US, THAT'S CONTRARY TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN ALSO BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AS YOU HIGHLIGHTED BETWEEN YOU AND ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES.
SO WE JUST CAN'T COME IN LIKE THE KING KONG AND SAY, HERE'S THE DEAL.
BUT WE DO DO NEED TO START LOOKING AT THE DEAL BECAUSE MY GUESS IS ANY OF THOSE THREE CITIES, THE NUMBERS AREN'T APPROPRIATE.
AND WE, AND I, AND I, AND I WANT THE COOPERATION, AND OF COURSE THAT'S IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BEAR AN UNDUE BURDEN IN THE COUNTY THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE.
I, I, NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO HELP, BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY WHAT THEY SHOULD TO FOR US TO DO THIS JOB JUST HAS TO BE FAIR.
THAT'S ALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, SAYING THIS COMMUNICATION CENTER IS GONNA COST US A MILLION DOLLARS IN PEOPLE TO RUN IN PEOPLE.
AND AS SOMEONE SAID A MINUTE AGO, THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TIED UP IN THIS.
I MEAN, WE JUST GOT, WE'RE JUST GOT DONE APPROVING, UH, A MAJOR REMODEL TO OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ADDING TWO CONSOLES.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALL BEEN IN OTHER BUSINESSES WHERE WE'VE SEEN THIS AND YOU KNOW, CORPORATIONS ALLOCATE RENT BETWEEN THEIR DIVISIONS.
AND YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS AND EVERYBODY, HERE'S WHAT YOUR BUDGET IS AND YOU GOTTA PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE OF EVERYTHING.
THAT'S A LONG WAYS FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND, AND, AND BOBBY, MY COMMENT IS NOT TO SAY, UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE OF A DISCUSSION THAN US JUST COMING IN AND SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK THE DEAL IS.
AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY EVERYTHING, JUST LIKE NO CITY IS SUPPOSED TO PAY EVERYTHING FOR US, BUT LET'S LOOK AT ALLOCATIONS AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, WE COULD DO MUCH THIS YEAR OTHER THAN ROLL, BUT WE CAN FIX THINGS FOR SO THAT NEXT YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF GARRETT OR SHERIFF GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT BEFORE US? UM, I JUST APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, SOMETIMES REMAINS IN THE SHADOWS THAT YOU DON'T NEED UNTIL YOU NEED IT, AND THEN YOU NEED A LOT OF IT.
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AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THAT THESE, THESE ARE OUR PARTNERS WE WORK WITH EVERY DAY AND WE, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE THEM THE SERVICE THAT WHETHER THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT OR NOT, THE CITIZENS IN ROY CITY ARE STILL CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY WE'VE TAKEN ON, WE'VE GOTTA PERFORM.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ISSUE? I DON'T, YOU KNOW, REALLY COURT, I, WE CAN'T PUT THINGS OFF MUCH LONGER.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN PUTTING AN ASTERISK ON THIS AS ONE OF THE QUOTE BIG ITEMS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, UNLESS SOMEBODY'S READY TO MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE.
I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE WE'RE READY TO PIN A NUMBER ON THIS YET.
MAYBE NOT PIN A NUMBER, BUT ARE WE READY TO VOTE TO PUT IN THE, TO PUT IN THE THREE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A NUMBER ON PUTTING IN THE THREE POSITIONS, RIGHT? WELL, WELL WE, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF 'EM UNFUNDED, WE DO.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY, I WANNA PUT THREE POSITIONS, AND AS I KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS HERE, WE CAN SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE POSITIONS, WE'RE ONLY GONNA FUND ONE.
AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO AFTER THAT.
WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT A BUDGET AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THAT ARE UNRESOLVED AND WE'VE GOT A NET EFFECT TO CONTINGENCY THAT'S NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I GUESS THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHAT'S A REALISTIC CONTINGENCY? AND MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE SHOULD HAVE.
I MEAN, IF WE SAID WE WANT A CONTINGENCY OF 1%, THAT WOULD BE, UH, $589,000.
RIGHT? AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 600 AND SOME IN IT.
THIS PUTS US REALLY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.
BUT THEN I THINK WE PRO IN, IN MY OPINION, I, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DIRECT THIS OR I CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO DELAY DISCUSSION, BUT IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A NET EFFECT TO CONTINGENCY, ONE DISCUSSION WE DO NEED TO HAVE IS WHAT DO WE WANT FOR A CONTINGENCY? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION.
UM, IN MY MIND, JUST BASED ON RECENT HISTORY, 600 IS A GOOD, IS A GOOD NUMBER.
UH, AND AND AGAIN, THAT'S YOU, YOU ASKED ME WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS.
BUT JUST BASED ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED HISTORICALLY, UM, THAT, THAT THAT'S A GOOD SAFE.
AND LAST YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAD A LITTLE OVER 500 AGAIN, RIGHT.
SO I, I'M OKAY WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION SO THAT AS WE GET INTO SOME OF THESE REAL TOUGH ITEMS, AND THAT'S RIGHT.
IF IT GOES TO FOUR BIG ITEMS, DO, DO WE HAVE TO BACK UP AND REGROUP OR IF IT GOES TO SEVEN, WE DO, WE BACK UP AND REGROUP.
SO I JUDGE KNEW YOUR, IF YOUR SUGGESTION IS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 600, I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
WHICH GIVES US A LITTLE MONEY, RIGHT? WHERE'S CONTINGENCY IN HERE, RIGHT? 30? YEAH, I THINK IT'S 6 32 IS WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
SO HEY, WE JUST MADE $32,000
SO DID, DID WE
WE, WE, WE SEGREGATED, WE DID SOMETHING, WE DID SOMETHING, WE DID SOMETHING.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO FORGET THE, THE ASK FOR THE INCREASE IN PAY, UM, AS WELL, UM, FOR THE COMMUNICATION OFFICER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH THIS TO A MOTION, UM, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE ONE, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I'M, I'M, I'M NOT LEADING ANYWHERE EXACTLY.
BUT I, I THINK THAT A COMBINATION OF ADDING HEAD COUNT TO POTENTIALLY DOING RAISES TO POTENTIALLY HAVING UNFUNDED POSITIONS KIND OF IN THAT $200,000 RANGE WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE DISPATCH CENTER.
I, I WANT THAT MATH VETTED OUT BETTER THAN WHAT I DID THIS MORNING, UM, WHEN I GOT INTO THE OFFICE.
BUT I THINK SOME COMBINATION OF THAT IS WHERE I'M MORE IN LINE TO THINK THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE GO.
MAYBE ADD A POSITION, MAYBE DO THE RAISES AND MAYBE HAVE ONE UNFUNDED POSITION THAT WOULD GIVE THEM FOUR TO FIVE POSITIONS THEY NEED TO FILL OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START, UM, TO, TO GETTING THE COMMUNICATION CENTER WHERE WE WANT IT.
AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, GETTING BACK TO WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AND SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COSTING
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US A LOT OF MONEY.YEAH, LET'S SEE WHERE WE CAN GO.
SO I'M SAYING A HYBRID IS KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO LAND, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WANT TO VET OUT SOME OF THAT MATH.
UM, BUT ANYWAYS, THAT WAS JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
THAT WAS JUST KIND OF MY, MY THOUGHT.
AND WHEN YOU SAID, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING, I'M THINKING THIS IS STILL A $200,000 HOLE SOMEWHERE, BUT KIND OF A HYBRID BETWEEN, SO JUST FOR MY, FOR, FOR MY, UM, BRAIN TO GET THIS, THE, THE FY 26 SALARY NEW SCALE, I KNOW IT'S NOT TOTALLY VETTED OUT YET.
YOU'VE GOT THAT AND THEN YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UM, TWO, TWO COLUMNS OVER.
YOU'VE GOT THE PERCENT OF INCREASE FROM FY 25.
SO THAT IS INCLUDING THE, THE POSSIBLE SHIFTING THE PAY RANGE.
UM, AND IT, AND, AND IT IS INCLUDING WHERE WE WANNA TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS IN A MORE, UM, IN A MORE EQUITABLE EE EXACTLY.
AND THEN COMPETITIVE RANGE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE LAST THING YOU POINT OUT? YEAH, YOU 100%.
THE LAST THING TO POINT OUT IS THIS 2, 3, 6, 9 5 5 INCLUDES 13% RAISES.
THEY THEY WERE CALCULATED AT THE HIGHEST.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO ASK.
SO, SO IF YOU, IF WE CAME DOWN FROM THAT ASK, THE 2 36 WOULD COME DOWN.
AS FAR AS WHERE WE, WHERE WE HIT WITH THE CHART AND WHETHER WE DO THE GRADE INCREASE OR NOT, I'M NOT READY TO TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT THIS MORNING RIGHT THIS MINUTE, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE, WE STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT WE, WE'VE, THAT, THAT HAVE, UM RIGHT.
HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CHALLENGES, IF NOT EVEN GREATER IN SOME PARTS.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MOVE TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, UH, AS IN, UM, LET'S GO TO THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH THESE FIRST THREE ITEMS, IT'S IMPORTANT AND THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING IN RED MELISSA.
THESE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE NET EFFECT.
UM, BUT ON THE SHIFTING PAY RANGE, 5.7%, UM, THE 1 33, 8 80, HOW DO WE GET TO THAT NUMBER? WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO THAT? DOES IT, IS IT JUST HE HAS A SKILL, UH, THAT'S OF, OF DOING THAT
WE, WE COULDN'T ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.
THAT'S THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR'S CALCULATIONS.
SO, SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CALCULATE THE PAYROLL THAT IT IS THE PAYROLL AT 4% AND THE PAYROLL OF 5.7% AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WAS PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET AND HERE'S THE INCREASE IF YOU WENT TO THE 5.7.
BUT IS THAT JUST SAYING, AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING SO FAR, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T FINAL 'CAUSE WHAT I'M NOT TRYING TO SET OFF ANY TIME BOMBS HERE, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING SO FAR IS AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE RANGES, LET'S SAY 5.7% BECAUSE THAT WAS COMMISSIONER STACY'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
SO WE TAKE THE RANGES, WE MOVE THEM 5.7%, AND, BUT IF WE, AND THEN WE ALSO GIVE THE 4% MERIT RAISES, RIGHT.
AND IF SOMEONE WAS AT A LEVEL WHERE THE 5.7% WOULD, THEY'RE AT, SAY AT THEY'RE BOTTOM OF A PAY SCALE AND BUMPING 5.7% WOULD MOVE THEM MORE THAN 4%, THEN THEY GET THAT EXTRA 1.7%.
SO IS THAT, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THIS 1 33, 8 80 NUMBER BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, UH, CAMMY A WHILE BACK, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, WE HAD EIGHT PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RANGE.
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE ONLY YOU.
I BELIEVE YOU ASKED ME FOR THE GRADE ONE CLERKS.
THIS, THE 1 33 IS EVERYBODY I KNOW.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND SINCE, SINCE JOHN ALREADY KNOWS WHERE I'M HEADED, HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM GIVE IT YET.
UM, SO IS THIS A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE, EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTY, JUST THE AMOUNT WE GET BY THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GET MORE IF WE WENT 5.7% THAN IF WE WENT FOUR? IS THAT WHAT, THAT'S LIMITED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAY GRADE PEOPLE? AND THE ANSWER IS NO, IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THAT.
WELL THEN HOW IS THAT NUMBER VALID? OKAY.
BECAUSE THE NEW POSITIONS THAT WE ADDED DID NOT INCLUDE THE 5.7% MOVEMENT BE BECAUSE IT WAS A MERIT RAISE AND NOT A SCALE RAISE.
SO THOSE POSITIONS WERE FUNDED UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM.
SO OKAY, SO THAT 5.7, THAT THAT ACCOUNTS, SO IT'S ABOUT 40,000 FOR EXISTING PEOPLE AND ABOUT 60,000 IN NEW POSITIONS, WHICH ARE ALL THE PEOPLE WE ADDED TO THE FIVE OH THIRD COURT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE
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HAVE COME IN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAY RANGE.BECAUSE, BUT NOW WE'RE BUMPING THEM UP BECAUSE THEY GET THE FULL 5.7 THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, SO IT TRULY IS WE NOT COUNTING, NOT NAMING NAMES, BUT IT TRULY IS THE PEOPLE WHO EITHER ARE CURRENTLY HERE OR WE ARE PLANNING TO HIRE AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR PAY GRADE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOUR AND 5.7%.
WHICH I THINK MAKES, UH, COMMISSIONER ALANA'S ARGUMENT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT MOVING THOSE FEW PEOPLE TO THE COST OF LIVING SHOWS HOW SOME OF THIS PAY IS BEHIND, EVEN, EVEN WITH THE RAISES.
I, I MEAN JUST, JUST MOVING THE COST OF LIVING WELL OF OUR CHART.
I, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, HIT HITS THAT HARD.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT ARGUMENT
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT RIGHT NOW, THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS NET EFFECT TO CONTINGENCY OF 77 5 0 4, IF WE WENT WITH THE 5.7% THAT NET EFFECT TO CONTINGENCY WOULD BECOME TWO 10.
AND THAT GOES FOR ALL OF THESE OTHER ITEMS ON, IN THAT SAME YES.
ONE THROUGH FOUR ITEM, RIGHT? YEP.
WELL, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, THREE AND FOUR ARE, ARE, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CHOICES, RIGHT? THOSE ARE NOT, WERE NOT BOTH.
IT'S GONNA BE EITHER OR ONE OR THE OTHER.
IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER, EITHER OR.
AND TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR, 0 49 OR 79, RIGHT.
AND I, AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE, UH, THAT NOW WE'RE, LET'S SAY WE TOOK THE BOTTOM OPTION.
NOW WE'RE AT INSTEAD OF TWO 11, NET NEGATIVE EFFECT ON CONTINGENCY, WE'RE NOW AT 2 54 NEGATIVE EFFECT ON CONTINGENCY.
WE STILL HAVEN'T MADE DECISIONS ON, WE STILL WAITING ON NUMBERS TO GIVE US AN AB AN ADD A NUMBER FOR OUR LEGAL SERVICES BUDGET.
AND WE HAVEN'T MADE DECISIONS ON THE DA EXPANSION.
SO JUST, I ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE I KNOW NOBODY ON THIS COURT WANTS TO GO ON BELOW WHAT WE THINK IS A FAIR CONTINGENCY.
AND WE ALL JUST GOT DONE THINKING THAT'S 600,000.
AND, AND JUST, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING YOUR NET EFFECT, THAT INCLUDES THAT YOU, UH, UH, GO WITH AND ADOPT YOUR TAX RATE AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.
AND, AND I REALIZED THAT THAT WASN'T A UNANIMOUS DECISION EITHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND, AND I GUESS THIS JUST STATES A LITTLE BIT OF THE FRUSTRATION OF WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS ON WHAT'S SHIFTING TO THE 4% TO, TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND IF IT'S EVEN A GOOD DECISION.
'CAUSE IF IT, I MEAN, THAT TO ME, THAT NUMBER IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DECISION.
IF I WANT TO GO TO THE 5.7, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER TODAY.
IT DO, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE IN THIS ROOM TODAY DURING BUDGETING.
I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT I WILL ADDRESS IT AFTER COURSE OVER.
SO IT JUST, IT, IT ALMOST MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS NUMBER'S GOOD.
I, I, I DOUBLE CHECKED IT AND WE GOT IT CLEANED UP, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE 4% NUMBER.
AND, AND IT MAKES IT EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE CLERKS, THE DISTRICT CLERKS, DISPATCHERS PAY.
AND I MEAN, AND, AND, AND WE HAD A DAY AND A HALF IN BETWEEN THE LAST COURT AND THIS TO GET THIS NUMBER.
AND IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT NUMBER.
SO AGAIN, I MEAN, CLEARLY I'M FRUSTRATED BY THIS, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER TODAY.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE ABOUT A, UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THE NUMBER? BECAUSE, BECAUSE I, I, I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA BE TOLD WE CAN GET THE NUMBER OR ARE WE GONNA BE TOLD IT TAKES TWO DAYS? THE NUMBER WOULD BE WORTH IT.
UH, MELISSA JUST, UH, DID A TEAM'S MESSAGE TO ERICA.
I SHE'S THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY THAT CAN GET ME THIS NUMBER.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
COMMISSIONER GOANA THAT, UH, OKAY.
WELL, WELL, JUDGE, MAY, MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, SEE IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE TO GET THAT NUMBER, AND THEN IF IT IS, MAYBE WE COULD GO TO SOME OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS AND COME BACK TO IT.
BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SETTING UP REWORK IS ALL WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE, 15 MINUTE BREAK.
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ALL RIGHT.WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR SPECIAL MEETING.
I REALIZE IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME DATA SO WE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.
BUT WHILE WE WAIT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WRAP UP A FEW SMALLER ITEMS THAT ARE, UH, UM, I WANT, DON'T WANNA SAY INCONSEQUENTIAL, BUT THAT WON'T BREAK THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ALONG.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? I'LL DO A REAL, REAL EASY ONE IF THAT IS, UH, I THINK IT'S EASY.
IT MAY NOT BE, BUT, UM, IT IS IN REGARDS TO THE, THE, THE, UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, TO REPLACE OR REFILL THE COMMISSIONER COURT CHAIRS.
THERE'S $5,000 THAT WAS PUT INTO THAT NUMBER YEST OR DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
BUT THAT WAS USING THE, UM, THE, THE COST THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE, UM, AND PURCHASING THE CHAIRS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND ALSO WHAT IS IN THE, UM, COURTROOMS AT THE, AT THE, AT THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, ON YELLOW JACKET, I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU A ANOTHER OPTION, WHICH IS USING A LOCAL, UM, UPHOLSTERY COMPANY THAT BOTH MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER GOANA HAVE USED FOR PERSONAL REASONS.
SO I WOULD RE I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM FOR OUR HOUSES.
WE JUST HAPPENED TO USING THE SAME.
I'M, SO YOU CAN'T CONTINUE SERVICE PROVIDER.
ANYWAY, I'VE JUST GIVEN YOU EACH, UM, A QUOTE THAT THAT WAS SENT TO ME YESTERDAY TO REFILL THE, UM, CUSHIONS OF THE SEATS, THE CHAIRS WE ARE SITTING IN.
SO ESSENTIALLY FIVE GRAND GOES TO TWO GRAND, 12 FIVE CHAIRS.
WELL, IF, IF WE, IF WE CHOOSE, I, IF WE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE.
AND IF WE, I, I, I, I SPOKE TO THE AU TO THE AUDITOR THIS MORNING, IF THAT'S OKAY, UM, LISA, FOR ME TO SAY THAT, AND I WANT, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD THEM AT LEAST DO ONE CHAIR AND WE ALL SAT IN IT BEFORE WE HAD 'EM DO ALL OF THEM.
BECAUSE WHAT IF, WHAT IF THEY SAY IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, UM, 'CAUSE THESE ARE, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT 14, 15-YEAR-OLD CHAIRS.
NOW IT IS NOT GOING TO HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE BACK OR ANYTHING UP HERE.
IT'S JUST THESE BOTTOM CUSHIONS THAT WE'RE SITTING ON.
SO, UM, THE AUDITOR'S RE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT AT LEAST IF, IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE LIKE TO DO, THEN AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE THE FUNDING FOR TO GO TO THE, THE, UM, THE ORGANIZATION.
UM, AND OF, OF OUR, UM, WELL, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I MENTIONED WAS THERE'S SOME, SOME NICKS ON THE ARMS MM-HMM
THAT COULD BE, UH, UH, CORRECTED.
THEY COULD BE, BUT THAT'S A, THAT YEAH.
BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST.
AND THEN A LOT OF YOUR CHAIRS ARE, UH, TEETERING MM-HMM
WHICH AREN'T SUPPOSED TO TEETER MM-HMM
SO, UH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO TEETER, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF 380, UH, JUST ONLY BUDGETING THAT AMOUNT IS GOING TO GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
UH, SO I RECOMMENDED YOU JUST LEAVE, LEAVE THE 5,000 IN THERE,
DO, DO YOU ALL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT HAVING SHARES LIKE THIS? I MEAN, I, WHEN I GOT OUTTA LAW SCHOOL 44 YEARS AGO, I THOUGHT THESE LOOKED REALLY COOL.
AND THEN I STARTED SITTING AT MY DESK ALL THE TIME AND WENT TO A MUCH SIMPLER CHAIR THAT HAS MUCH MORE ERGONOMIC, ERGONOMIC BENEFIT.
BUT THEY DON'T LOOK FANCY LIKE THIS.
AND HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I, WE COULD GO TO OFFICE DEPOT AND GET REALLY NICE CHAIRS FOR LIKE FOUR OR 500 BUCKS.
I VIEW CHAIRS AS, UH, UTILITY, SOMETHING I SIT ON FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND, AND THAT'S, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DECORATIVE, DOESN'T JUST NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING I CAN SIT ON FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL LOOK THE SAME, WHATEVER WE DO JUST FOR MM-HMM
BUT, UM, I MEAN, REALLY, I, I THINK THAT'S, YOU CAN GET A PRETTY NICE CHAIR FOR 500 BUCKS AT OFFICE DEPOT.
WELL, WE TRIED, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER CAMMIE, WE HAD A, A, A, A SUPPLIER COME IN AND BRING US THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT CHAIRS, AND REALLY, AND THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR, WHAT YOU'LL GET AT OFFICE DEPOT OR OFFICE MAX OR WHATEVER.
AND NONE OF US LACKED REALLY, ANY OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH TO WHERE I'D WANNA SIT IN 'EM FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS AT A TIME.
SO I LIKED THEM BETTER THAN THESE.
BUT, BUT I THINK IF WE GET THESE RE STUFFED, YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER WE'VE HAD 14, 15 YEARS OF DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS SITTING IN HERE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
AND, AND THE CUSHIONS HAVE JUST, I THINK THEY'VE JUST COLLAPSED.
I, I, BUT I, I LIKE THE, THE PRESTIGIOUS LOOK, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT ABOUT, LOOK, FOR ME, IT IS ABOUT FUNCTION.
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COMFORTABLE.THAT IS, THE CHAIR NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GO UP AND DOWN.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M SITTING AT LIKE THE KIDS' TABLE,
AND, UH, AND UP HERE, I DON'T REALLY CARE OTHER THAN THAT, CAN WE JUST GET A CHAIR THAT WORKS? OKAY.
AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD DO THIS JOB ARE VERY GOOD.
UM, THEY DID A LOT OF GREAT WORK FOR, FOR ME AND ALMA, BUT, UM, THAT DOESN'T FIX THE FACT THAT THESE CHAIRS ARE BROKE.
THE HARDWARE IS BROKEN UNDERNEATH THEM.
THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY WRONG WITH THESE THINGS ON SOME OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CAN BE REPAIRED, BUT NOT BY THESE PEOPLE.
ANYWAY, THAT CAN NO, THEY CAN'T.
SHE JUST, I, I JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DID TEXT HER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SO WE JUST CANNOT MAKE THEM GO UP AND DOWN.
OR WE'RE JUST CHASING, CHASING, UH, BAD, MAD MONEY CHASING AFTER BAD MONEY.
NO, I, I, WE HAVE INVESTIGATED, I MEAN, IN THERE, I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT OUR AUDITOR'S SAYING IS IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, AND YOU'RE SAYING 500, I'M SAYING IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMEWHERE CLOSER TO ABOUT A THOUSAND A, A CHAIR.
AND WE JUST KEEP THE 5,000 RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO.
I JUST WANNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA BUY CHAIRS FOR US.
UM, BUT I'M, I HAVE A FEELING WE WILL, I WILL BE OUTVOTED, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE.
BUT I THINK, UH, LAUREN DID THAT ON, ON A MOTION A COUPLE DAYS AGO SAYING, I JUST WANNA STATE THAT I JUST DON'T THINK BUYING CHAIRS IS NECESSARY FOR US.
I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
I DON'T SHARE IN THAT FRUSTRATION.
WHAT'S NICE ABOUT BEING A LITTLE GUY.
I CAN JUST SIT IN THIS CHAIR AND I'M COMFORTABLE.
SO I, ANYWAYS, I KNOW I'M ABOUT TO BE OUTVOTED, BUT THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANNA SAY, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY THINK SPENDING $5,000 ON CHAIRS IS, IS WHAT I WANNA DO RIGHT NOW.
IF SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THAT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP, UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE REPLACE.
UM, AND NOW TAKING OUT, REFILL THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CHAIRS AND, AND PUT IT, PUT, UM, A, A, A, IT'S THE, IT WAS 1,050.
WE, WE, WE DID A 5,000 FOR ANY KIND OF, UM, TRANSPORTATION MODE.
SO I'M GONNA STAY WITH THE 5,000 THAT'S PUT IN THERE.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES THREE TO TWO.
LET'S LOOK AT, CAN WE MOVE TO THE COURT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOME SAVINGS.
LET'S, LETS WE HAVE THAT DISCUSS.
LETS, LET'S HAVE SOME NEGATIVES HERE.
I THINK YOU WERE GETTING A HOLD OF OCA MAYBE? YEAH.
STILL HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK.
IT'S, UH, MOVING AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE PRORATED ALL POSITIONS AT 10 MONTHS.
DID WE WANT, I THOUGHT WE WANTED TO PRORATE ALL THE POSITIONS TO NINE AND LEAVE ONE AT 10.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER IS WHAT WE WANT EITHER.
SO, WELL, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF GOING OFF OF OUR, OUR BRIEF DISCUSSION.
IN ALL FAIRNESS,
DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE JUDGE AT 10? YES.
YEAH, THEY'VE, HE GOTTA HIRE THE STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS AT ALL, BUT JUST READING THE NOTES, UM, THAT THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR SENT CONCERNING THESE NUMBERS, UM, FOR THE JUDGE TO START ON 12 ONE AND COURT STAFF WITH A START DATE OF ONE ONE, THE IMPACT WOULD BE 94,230.
AND THEN THE OTHER SUPPORTING POSITIONS IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD BEGIN ONE ONE.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE 94,233 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T DOCUMENT IT THERE.
I I, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE 3, 8, 9, AND 10 THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT DOES HAVE ONE DISTRICT CLERK POSITION FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, WHICH I DO SUPPORT STAFFING THE DISTRICT CLERK UP ONE PERSON, AND THEN NOT THE REST OF THE ADDED PEOPLE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S THREE PEOPLE THAT'S BEING ADDED AT THE DISTRICT CLERK AND JUST GOING AHEAD AND, AND STARTING ONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND THEN PUSHING TWO BACK.
AND AGAIN, MY ARGUMENT FOR THAT IS THAT SHE'S ALREADY DOING THE WORK FOR THREE DISTRICT COURTS.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF HELPING HER GET STAFFED UP, GET TRAINED SO THAT THE TRANSITION IS LESS HARD, UM, WHEN THAT COURT COMES ON BOARD.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
CAN, UH, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A SPECIFIC MOTION OR CAN WE JUST SAY 8, 9, 10, WHICH THINK WE SHOULD, WHICH LINE ITEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE ON EIGHT, NINE AND 10.
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UM, COMMISSIONER STACY JUST SPOKE TO NUMBER NINE.AND THEN, YEAH, AND WE HAVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH HAS THE SAME CONCEPT OF PRO PROMOTING IT FOR, UM, UM, FOR NINE MONTHS.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CHANGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? DISTRICT CLERK PRORATE TWO AT NINE MONTHS AND TP ONE FOR THE FULL YEAR.
WHAT CHANGE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
I'M JUST SAYING I SUPPORT THAT, THAT IDEA, WHICH IS THE SAVINGS OF 19,888.
'CAUSE WE COULD TECHNICALLY PRORATE ALL THREE POSITIONS.
BUT SHE'S, SHE'S ALREADY BEHIND ON, ON KEEPING UP, I THINK IS WHAT SHE SHARED WITH US DURING OUR, DURING OUR CONSULTATIONS.
BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.
JUST A STATEMENT THAT WE WERE SAYING THAT WE ADDED.
WE KEPT ONE OF THOSE DISTRICT CLERK POSITIONS IN FOR THE FULL YEAR AND DIDN'T PRORATE IT.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT THEY WEREN'T ALL PRO-RATED.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS COMMISSIONER, STACY, THOSE THREE? YEAH.
UM, I, I SAY WE GO AHEAD AND, AND APPROVE EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 INTO THE NEXT DRAFT, NEXT ITERATION OF THE BUDGET.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, EVERYBODY THAT AGREES, PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTE.
NOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS IN HERE THAT THE AUDITORS PUT IN.
UH, SO WE DON'T, DON'T GET LOST.
AND THAT IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE STRIPPING DOWN OF SURPLUS VEHICLES AND, AND MAKING THEM FUNCTIONAL FOR AGENCIES.
ONE IS FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, ONES FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY TAKING LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, UH, AND, AND MAKING THEM USABLE FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
OUR, OUR, OUR IN OUR PLAN IS JUST, JUST MOVE IT, UH, ADD THAT 3000 TO THEIR GAS AND MAINTENANCE LINE FOR EACH, EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE NOTED.
SO THERE'S TWO I IS THE, YEAH, I SEE.
NUMBER 11 IS WHICH TWO, NUMBER 11 IS RIGHT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
NUMBER 18 FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
NUMBER 18 FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WHO'S THE VEHICLE FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THAT'S THE ENGINEER VEHICLE THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO AT, AT, UH, 33.
AND WE TOOK OUT OF THE BUDGET TO GIVE SOME SORT OF SURPLUS VEHICLE FOR THEM TO DRIVE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TOO.
DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP ITEM 11 AND ITEM 18 FOR RES STRIPING TWO VEHICLES IN THIS BUDGET.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 15, UM, THE COURT AGENDA, I THINK POSTED, UH, WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT MOVING MONEY FROM FY 25 TO BUY THE CAR.
SO WE ARE NOT REMOVING THE CAR, WE'RE JUST, UM, WE'RE THE NEXT COURT.
THERE IS THE IDEA OF MOVING THAT 67 572 FROM INTO THE CAPITAL PURCHASES FUND.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST A, A MINUS OF 67 572.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO AHEAD.
WHERE IS, WHERE DID YOU SAY THAT THE MONEY IS? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT FY 25, BUT WHAT LINE ITEM? UM, OH, LIKE WHERE'S IT COMING OUT? OUT OF THE BUDGET? YEAH.
WHAT FUND IS IT COMING OUTTA? I THINK FOUR.
DID WE DECIDE
I, I THINK WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS AND SOME PERSONNEL LINES IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION OR NOT TUESDAY DURING COURT, BUT THE EXPENSE FOR BARRY'S VEHICLE TO PULL IT OUT IS IN FFY 26.
WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION A COUPLE DAYS AGO, LISA, ABOUT THE CONTINGENCY WHERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS, 67,572 WAS IRRELEVANT TO THAT DISCUSSION.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MEMORIALIZE.
OH, THAT WAS THE WORD I WAS GONNA USE.
I WAS GONNA SAY I WANNA MEMORIALIZE NUMBER 15.
SO, NO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 15, WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION VEHICLE.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT'S APPROVED.
UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT ELECTIONS SINCE, SINCE OUR ADMINISTRATOR'S BEEN HERE
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ALL DAY WAITING.MR. LYNCH, WHILE HE'S WALKING UP, I DO WANNA LET YOU, YOU GENTLEMEN KNOW THAT, UM, I WAS READING MY NOTES INCORRECTLY ON TU ON TUESDAY WHEN WE MET IN REGARDS TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT, UM, I UNDERSTOOD, UM, CHRIS LYNCH TO, TO SHARE IT WITH US, WHAT, WHAT HE NEEDED OF THE 13,000 AND I MULTIPLIED IT.
I HAD WRITTEN DOWN TIMES THREE EMPLOYEES AND IT WAS 13,000 TOTAL IS WHAT YOU TOLD ME ON THE TELEPHONE THE OTHER DAY.
JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, I LIKE MY CHAIR IN MY OFFICE JUST SAYING
UM, SO AGAIN FOR GOT A NEW CHAIR.
WHAT CAN I SAY? UM, HEY, SO, UM, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT, THAT I'VE COME THE BUDGET HEARING, THE SECOND TIME WHERE I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT VO-TECH, WHICH IS STILL, UH, I KNOW FRANK IS WELL AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT I, THE SECOND ASK WAS FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER, AND I THINK TODAY I AM GONNA ASK IF YOU'LL, IF YOU WILL ACT ON IT, 54,000 WAS COMMITTED IN THE FIRST DRAFT TO VO-TECH AS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
WE TERM YOU, UH, ALLOWED ME TO TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT, WHICH WE WORKED ON, UH, LAST COURT SESSION.
UH, CRAIG AND I GOT THAT LETTER SENT OVER TO THEM.
SO WE HAVE DISSOLVED THAT RELATIONSHIP.
UH, AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY IS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I ASKED FOR IN THE FIRST PROPOSAL, WHICH IS KIND OF A REALIGNMENT OF MY DEPARTMENT, WHERE THE ONLY OTHER PERSON THAT WOULD COME INTO THIS DEPARTMENT IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT WON'T BE UNTIL THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHEN I THINK I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PERMANENT HIRE, WOULD BE AN ENTRY LEVEL CLERK.
UH, AND, AND MY GORILLA MATH IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN LISA OR KIMMY'S, BUT I HAD THAT TOTAL ASK FOR THE REALIGNMENT AND SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AT ABOUT 13 FIVE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY, AGAIN, THAT IS, THAT'S JUST A ROUGH KIND OF CUT OF WHAT I SUBMITTED TO YOU GUYS, UM, INITIALLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS MORNING, IS TO RESOLVE THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MY FI MY FOLKS WILL KNOW WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE HEADING.
SO WHAT IS THIS 9,800 NUMBER THEN? THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION AS WELL.
THAT'S THE RECALCULATED NUMBER, UM, FROM THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR.
THE 9,854 WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 4% THAT'S ALREADY FACTORED INTO THE FIRST DRAFT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE.
SO THE 13 IS THE 4% PLUS THE 98.
SO 98, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE LAUREN ASKED ME ABOUT THIS IN MY, IN MY HEARING AND I SAID, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNT, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNTY WAS GOING, WHETHER IT WAS BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE, AND THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION I WAS ASKING FOR THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT.
AND HERE, HERE'S THE NUMBER THEY WERE AT LAST YEAR.
HERE'S THE NUMBER I'M ASKING FOR THIS YEAR.
THE OTHER STUFF THAT, THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU GUYS.
SO MY 13 FIVE WAS BASED ON TAKING THIS PERSON FROM THIS NUMBER THAT WAS LAST FY TO THIS NUMBER AND NOTHING MORE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, YEAH.
DIDN'T WE INCREASE ONE OF, IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, ONE OF THE ELECTION EMPLOYEES A SENIOR, THE DEPUTY, MY DEPUTY, WE DID, YES.
GOT A, BECAUSE, UH, A LARGER THAN 4% INCREASE MM-HMM
AND, AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT YOU SAID, HEY, ALL DEPUTIES WERE GONNA SET 'EM AT 65 ALL, ALL, ALL SECOND IN CHARGE.
IS, IS WHAT I SAID WE'RE GOING TO, WHICH IN MY CASE IS THE DEPUTY 65.
RIGHT? SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS, THAT NO.
SHE IS, NO, SHE IS SET WHERE SHE'S SET BASED ON JUDGE NEWS GUIDANCE.
THIS IS THE OTHER THREE FULL-TIME PERSONNEL THAT THAT, THAT I'VE ASKED TO CHANGE THEIR, UH, TITLE AND THEN A, A RAISE COMMENSURATE WITH THAT MM-HMM
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT IT'S ON PAGE 27 OF OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT WE WERE, WE WERE GIVEN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ALL, YOU'VE KIND OF GOT IT ALL IN WITH, UM, UM, THE ASSISTANCE SALARY.
SO WHAT WE, BUT, BUT WE, I DO RECALL, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE VOTED ON AS WELL.
SO WOULD THE RECLASSIFICATION BE NECESSARY OR COULD THE RAISES BE JUST DONE ON THE SAME PAY SCALES THAT THEY'RE ON, UH, FOR WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, AS FAR AS, UH, ALIGNMENT, RESTRUCTURE AND MOVING FORWARD, THIS, THIS SETS THE POSITIONS IN MY DEPARTMENT WHERE, AGAIN, THE ONLY OTHER ADDITION IN THE FUTURE WOULD
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BE AN ENTRY LEVEL CLERK BECAUSE THERE, EVERYONE IS SET WHERE THEY ARE AND THERE IS NO UPWARD MOBILITY UNTIL SOMEBODY LIKE ME LEAVES OR YOU KNOW, MY DEPUTY OR WHATEVER.BUT ANYONE THAT WE WOULD HIRE IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE, AGAIN, AN ENTRY LEVEL CLERK.
BUT AS FAR AS FAR THE MONEY IS THE MONEY, THE, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE MONEY, THEN I, THEN I, YEAH, I WOULD ASK THAT THE TITLE THAT YOU ALLOW ME TO CHANGE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR GOES TO SUPERVISOR, UM, SENIOR CLERK GOES TO ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, AND THEN, UH, ENTRY LEVEL CLERK GOES TO SENIOR CLERK.
UM, AND I, AND I WOULD TELL YOU WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH VO-TECH, AND NOW THAT WE ARE DEALING DIRECTLY WITH SECRETARY OF STATE, THEIR, NOT THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW IT, BUT THEIR, THEIR WORKLOADS HAVE ALREADY INCREASED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOME DISCOVERY LEARNING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A LITTLE SCARY SINCE WE'RE GONNA START EARLY VOTING HERE IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS.
LET'S, UH, LET'S TRY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IF, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH BOTECH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY AND INCREASE THREE POSITIONS LISTED ON 14.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FOUR TO ONE.
DO WE WANNA LOOK AT THE, UH, THE FURNITURE AND ACCESSORIES FOR THE SENIOR CLERK? IT SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL ONE.
WE CAN'T HIRE A PERSON WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SIT 'EM IN A SEAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WORKS.
SB 22 CANNOT PAY FOR FURNITURE.
NOT, NOT AT THE DA'S OFFICE CANNOT.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 12 AND 13.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, I'LL SECOND HAVE A QUESTION.
THERE'S NO OTHER FUND WE CAN PULL OUT OF FOR THE COMPUTER AND ACCESSORIES.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
AND A QUESTION, UM, 26? NO, I DON'T, I WISH THEY HAD LIKE A JUSTICE COURT THING LIKE WE DO WITH THE JPS WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE A JUSTICE TECHNOLOGY FUND.
I, I DO NOT THINK THAT, THAT NO, I, I DON'T HAVE ONE TO RECOMMEND NO ONE.
IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE? OKAY.
NUMBER, LET, I I, I, I WANNA WAIT ON THOSE TILL WE KNOW THE, THE, THE REAL NUMBER.
SO UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I'M GONNA, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND RECESS US FOR LUNCH RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA RECESS AND WE WILL RECONVENE AT TWO 15.
AND AT 1136, WE ARE IN RECESS.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, IT IS TWO 15.
I'M GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR SPECIAL MEETING.
WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS OUR BUDGET, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE FY 2026 DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON SOME NUMBERS THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS ON THE, ON THE 4%? YEAH.
SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE THERE.
SHE'S DOING A VERY QUICK MATH PROBLEM.
AND CAMMIE'S OVER THERE DOING A LOT OF MATH.
THAT IS SHIFTING EVERYONE TO THE 4% PAY RANGE.
NOW, IF, WHEN, AND, AND, AND EVERYONE IS, THAT'S EVERYONE.
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NONS SHERIFF DEPUTY GOT IT.LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE STEP PLAN.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT THAT DOES IS IF WE DECIDE TO DO THE 4%, THEN THAT NEXT NUMBER WHERE IT SAYS COUNTY CLERK, DISTRICT CLERK TO GRADE TWO, THAT NUMBER BECOMES 34 6 90.
AND THEN THE NUMBER BELOW THAT, ALL CLERKS BECOMES 61 9 8.
THAT'S GETTING RID OF THAT 1.7 6 0 1 9 8.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE SHIFTING THOSE CLERKS TO GRADE TWO AT THE 4% LEVEL, RATHER THAN SHIFTING THOSE CLERKS TO GRADE TWO AT THE 5.7% LEVEL.
UM, GOING BACK TO A QUESTION I ASKED THIS MORNING, SO THE PAY RANGE AT 5.7 IS 1 33, 8 80, NOT QUESTIONING THE MATH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A, AN $80,000 DECLINE BETWEEN 1.7 AND 4%.
SEEMS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR 4% IN THE FIRST DRAFT.
I BELIEVE THIS 54,000 ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT TO THE MINIMUM, THEIR NEW MINIMUM YET, OR THE NEW POSITIONS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE 5.7% WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR.
BUT, BUT REMEMBER, NO, IT ACTUALLY, IT ACTUALLY DOES.
SO LET ME, LET ME FOLLOW THE LOGIC FOR A SECOND.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAID THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE TO 5.7, I'M GONNA USE A VERY ROUND NUMBER, WE FOUND THAT THERE COULD BE $40,000 OF KETCHUP PEOPLE THAT WE PASSED OVER THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CAUGHT UP.
THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE NEW PO WELL, YEAH,
SEEMS LIKE THAT NUMBER'S NOT THE SAME.
WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE SAME BASE NUMBER HERE.
JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE MOVE SHOULDN'T MEAN MORE THAN A TWO THIRDS JUMP.
YEAH, I'M GONNA GRAB MY LAPTOP.
SOMETHING, SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
1.7% WOULD TAKE IT ALMOST TWO AND A HALF TIMES.
I THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT FOR, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
AND IT DEPENDS ON, ON, ON LINE THREE OR LINE FOUR.
IT IS OVERALL, BUT LINE THREE AND LINE FOUR DOESN'T AFFECT LINE TWO AND LINE ONE.
NO, I MEAN, IF WE, THE 4% SHIFT, WE'RE ALREADY GIVING A 4% BUMP.
THAT EVERYBODY'S AGREED ON THAT.
AND THE 5.7 IS REALLY ESSENTIALLY A 1.7 MOVE AFTER THAT.
SO IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER, THEY, THEY LOOK A LITTLE SKEWED.
BUT 54,384 DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
IF WE'RE JUST FOCUSED IN ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE TOP AND DON'T GET THE 4%, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A, A REALISTIC NUMBER.
WELL, BUT LOOK, IF, BUT IF 5.7 IS 1 33, NOW IT BECOMES LESS BELIEVABLE, THEN IT BECOMES, BECAUSE LOOK AT, IF IT'S 4% YIELDS 54, 384, THEN DIVIDE 54, 3 84 BY FOUR.
RIGHT? AND YOU GET, UM, 12, 14, 13.
SO YOU GET ABOUT $14,000 PER PERCENT.
THAT SHOULD BE LIKE 1.7 SHOULD BE 1.7 TIMES 14,000.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING, WE'RE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT BASES ON THESE NUMBERS.
I THINK SOMEHOW THAT 14,000 TIMES 1.7 20 3008, RIGHT.
WHICH WOULD TAKE US TO, INSTEAD OF 1 33 WOULD TAKE US TO $81,000 MM-HMM
ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO THE SHIFT WHEN WE GO TO 5.7? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IS THAT WE NOW HAVE A BIGGER GROUP OF PEOPLE OR SHOULDN'T? OR IS IT THE SAME? IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE IN COMP.
'CAUSE AT 4%, MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY MOVE AS MUCH.
COULD BE 5.7, MAYBE MORE COULD BE SOMETHING TO HIT FOR THAT WON'T THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, YEAH.
IT JUST, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING OFF THE SAME BASE NUMBER HERE AND THAT WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
SO I'M COMING BACK SO THAT WE MAKE NOT 80.
UM, Y'ALL ARE HAVING A, AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION UP HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, FOR THE REST OF US IN THE AUDIENCE AND, UM, FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
'CAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LINES.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERKS ON ONE LINE AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE.
ARE YOU TREATING THE CLERKS IN ALL DIVISIONS THE
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SAME? UM, AND IF THAT'S YES, THEN I'LL THEN I'LL SIT DOWN AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND ALL CLERKS ON PAY GRADE ONE ONE.AM I CORRECT? WELL, WE'VE GOT PRE CORRECT CHANGING ONE BECAUSE WE'RE MOVE TO THEM TO TWO.
THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT ANY CLERKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO JOB GRADE ONE.
SO THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE LEGAL CLERK.
SO ALL THE CLERKS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT JOB GRADE THEY'RE ON THERE.
THEY'RE, THE LEGAL CLERKS ARE ALREADY AT A GRADE TWO ON THIS NEW SCALE.
THEY'RE ALREADY JOB GRADE TWO.
SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THE OTHER CLERKS UP TO A TWO AS WELL.
SO WE'RE JUST TALKING FOR CONSISTENCY'S SAKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREATING THE CLERKS THE SAME IN ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.
BUT JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 4% AND 5.7 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
AND THE AUDIENCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS
SO, UM, SO I BROKE 'EM DOWN TO THE TWO HALVES.
TWO HALVES, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN BY THE NEW PEOPLE VERSUS THE EXISTING PEOPLE.
AND IT'S $34,000 SAVINGS FOR 1.7 ON EXISTING PEOPLE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY, REALLY BIG NUMBER.
BUT THEN THE NEW PEOPLE GOES FROM 40,650 ON 5.7 TO 13 5 4 7 ON THE 4%.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S WRONG.
DO WE HAVE A, IN THE, IN THE DATA SET, ISN'T IT BROKEN DOWN, UH, ON THE EXCEL THAT WAS SENT? YES.
IT'S KIND OF BROKEN DOWN BY LIKE EVERYBODY MOVING WHILE I LOOK.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING A, A BIGGER DIFFERENTIAL.
CAN WE GET THAT ON OUR SCREEN SOMEHOW? LIKE HERE HAS EVERY, HAS EVERYONE'S NAME.
CAN YOU JUST DELETE THAT? HIDE IT, HIDE THAT COLUMN, HIDE THAT.
I JUST THINK SO WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT TOGETHER.
MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S NOT BROADCAST THAT.
WHAT THE, I'M JUST, I JUST DELETED THE NAME COLUMN.
AND THEN LET ME DELETE THE OTHER NAME COLUMN.
NOW LET ME ATTEMPT TO PLUG MY COMPUTER IN.
SHE DID MESSAGE AND SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS DUE TO A BIGGER GROUP OF PEOPLE NEEDING TO CATCH UP IF GOING TO A 5.7% SHIFT.
WHAT, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? I'M SORRY.
UM, SHE MESSAGED AND SAID IT, IT IS DUE TO A BIGGER GROUP OF PEOPLE NEEDING TO CATCH UP TO THE 5.7% SHIFT.
SO THIS IS THE 5.7% MATH THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THAT IS THE COST DIFFERENCE TO MOVE THE EXISTING POSITIONS UP TO FROM THE FIRST DRAFT TO 5.7.
NOW I'M IN MY, NOW I'M IN MY MAP AS JOEY ON FRIENDS WOULD SAY
SO IT'S 72 TO 40 TO MOVE EVERYONE FROM, FROM 4% TO 5.7.
AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS YOU CAN SEE THESE CATCH UPS, ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO BE INCREASED MORE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER IS COMING FROM.
SO THE COST TO GET EVERYONE TO 5.7 IS THIS NUMBER.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET FOR THOSE FOLKS.
SO THERE'S YOUR, THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL, BUT THE LOADED IMPACT IS BELOW THERE.
THE LOADED IMPACT BECOMES 85 6 72.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE COST OF THE INCREASE OF THE NEW PEOPLE? THE NEW PEOPLE'S DOWN HERE? SO 48 PLUS EIGHT.
THAT, THAT, THAT FEELS 53 IS RIGHT THEN.
SO NOW WE JUST GO TO THE 4%, WE GET RIGHT BACK.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A 40000% IMPACT ON EXISTING PEOPLE TO DO THE FULL SHIFT, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE MAINLY VACANT POSITIONS THAT WE DIDN'T MOVE BECAUSE WE DID ACCOUNT FOR 4% FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE.
SO THAT'S LESS OF A SHIFT FOR VACANT POSITIONS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU COME DOWN HERE TO THE NEW PEOPLE, IT'S MUCH LESS OF AN IMPACT BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH OF THAT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
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I'M SAYING I, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE MATH GETS DOWN TO THE 54, 3 84 LOADED.SO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANNA SEE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS WE HAD BUILT IN 4% ANYWAY.
SO IF WE WENT WITH THE 4% SHIFT, THERE'S NO CATCH UP.
THAT'S THE BIG, THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.
THE CATCH UP IS MORE THAN WE THOUGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO CATCH UP IN THE OTHER ONE.
I KNEW THAT GOING TO 4% WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT IT IS MUCH MORE THAN I THOUGHT.
BUT YES, IT LOOKS LIKE WE AT LEAST SO THE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE, CORRECT?
IS THAT WHAT WHAT WE JUST YEAH, HOLD ON.
SO 72, 2 40, WHICH ROLLS UP TO 85, 6 72.
AND THAT IS EXISTING POSITIONS.
THAT'S NO ONE NEW, THAT'S JUST TAKING THE CURRENT CHART THAT WE HAVE OR THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE MOVED TO, NOW REMEMBER WE'RE MOVING TO A 5.7 SCALE, BUT WE'RE DOING A 4% RAISE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS PEOPLE, THIS, THIS IMPACT ARE PEOPLE THAT THE SCALE PASSES THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AT THE VERY LOWEST OF THE PAY GRADE MM-HMM
THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE TO 5.7 PLUS VACANT POSITIONS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FUNDED AT, AT THE 4% OR EVEN AT ZERO RAISE.
AND THEN THE NEW PEOPLE GETS TO 48 WITH THE TOTAL IMPACT OF 1 33 8 80.
AND THEN ON THE 4%, THE, THE, UM, LEMME GET BACK INTO MY MAP.
THE, IT BECOMES, UH, AN IMPACT OF 48 37 ON THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS BASICALLY GIVING RAISES TO VACANT POSITIONS.
BECAUSE IN THE CURRENT DRAFT, IF IT WAS A VACANT POSITION, IT WOULD'VE JUST BEEN FUNDED AT THE LOWEST RANGE.
AND THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE MOVING THAT RANGE FOR PERCENT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THE IMPACT WOULD BE 54 ON THE NEW POSITIONS.
SO I THINK WE CAN TRUST THE NUMBER.
SO I'M GONNA UNPLUG MY LAPTOP.
SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US
YOU, YOU SAID WHILE AGO 34, 6 90.
I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT IN MY STACK.
YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DOES THAT GET 'EM TO TWO OR CLOSE TO TWO? WELL, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE IT PUTS THEM ON THE PROPOSED NEW, UH, PLAN.
WHERE DOES THAT LAND THEM ON JOB GRADE TWO FROM A, FROM A STARTING DAY.
I THOUGHT I PUT IN THIS AND THIS, THIS IS ON 5.7.
I CAN'T FIND THE ONE FROM FOUR.
LET'S SEE WHERE THAT PUTS 'EM.
I PRINTED IT AND THEN I DIDN'T USE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT IT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DON'T GIVE US A LOT OF PAPERWORK THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
I KNOW THAT'S, I I BASICALLY PRINTED WHAT WE DID A FEW MONTHS AGO.
TAMMY, CAN YOU GO 4% CHART? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
SO HERE'S THE 5.7 FOR EASY REFERENCE.
YEAH, THIS IS JUST FOR EASY REFERENCE, SIR.
THAT'S 5.7 NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT.
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AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS BACK WE HAD A WORKSHOP AND I SHOWED THE COURT LIKE A 1.5, A 2.5 A.BUT, UH, KNOW THAT THE RANGES, WHAT I DID ON THIS ONE IS A CONSOLIDATION OF RANGES.
SO YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE OUR OLD SCALE, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE POINT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER GOLAN IS GETTING TO.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MOVING THEM, I BELIEVE FROM LIKE A NINE TO A, UH, A 10 AT THAT POINT.
AND DISTANCING WHAT THAT NUMBER WORKS OUT TO.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN A NINE TO 10 PAY GRADE? YES.
BE BECAUSE THE, THE PAY GRADE NINE REALLY BECOMES PAY GRADE ONE ON THE SCALE I JUST HANDED OUT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING AND GET RID OF THE SCALES WE DON'T USE.
BUT WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON THIS.
SO THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL CAMMY.
UM, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SHE RAN AWAY TO, SHE, SHE QUIT.
YOU GUYS WON'T STOP ASKING QUESTIONS.
UM, I'LL WAIT UNTIL SHE GETS BACK.
THE BACKSIDE OF THIS, OF THIS FORM YOU JUST GAVE US, IS THAT, DOES THAT TIE IN WITH THE, THE FRONT SIDE? NO, THIS JUST TELLS YOU WHAT GRADE EVERYONE'S ON.
WHAT IS THAT TITLE? THAT JOB HERE COMES CAMIE.
LAUREN HAS QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN.
THAT'S SAID HE HAS LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
NO, SO THIS IS APPLES TO APPLES.
CAMMY ON THESE JOB GRADES, I KNOW THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
CORRECT? BUT IT'S CORRECT TAKING, IT'S SHRINKING THE NUMBER OF JOB GRADES WE HAVE, RIGHT? IT'S SHRINKING THE NUMBER OF YES, CORRECT.
THERE ARE FEWER JOB GRADES BECAUSE, UM, NO, THERE ARE FEWER RANGES ON THE SALARY RANGE SHEET BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL RANGES THAT WEREN'T BEING UTILIZED AT ALL.
SO, UM, I ASSIGNED EACH POSITION THEIR JOB GRADE TO THE APPROPRIATE RANGE AND I RENUMBERED 'EM BASICALLY.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I THINK SO.
UM, AND, AND THE REASON I'M HEADING DOWN THIS LINE OF QUESTIONS IS BASED ON, UH, THE QUESTION THAT OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY ASKED A MINUTE AGO MM-HMM
UM, SO IS JOB GRADE ONE, WHAT'S THE TITLE OF THAT? A CLERK? IT IS A CLERK.
UM, AND WHAT'S JOB GRADE TWO? IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE A JOB GRADE ONE CLERK IS IN THE DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY CLERK JPS OFFICE IN TAX OFFICE.
A JOB GRADE TWO WOULD BE AN ELECTIONS CLERK, A LEGAL CLERK IN THE DA'S OFFICE.
UM, LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER LEVEL OF CLERK? SO WHEN A, THERE ARE SENIOR CLERKS AND THEY HAVE A, A, A HIGHER JOB GRADE.
WHEN WE HIRED THE CONSULTANTS IN YEARS PAST MM-HMM
THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE, NOT JUST THE TITLE, BUT THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE JOB DUTIES AND LOOK AT THE MARKET TO ASSESS HOW MUCH THAT PARTICULAR POSITION'S WORTH WAS IN SALARY RANGE.
SO ALTHOUGH SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME TITLE OF CLERK, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND RISK LEVELS.
AND SO THE SALARIES RANGES WERE RIGHT.
SO THEY LOOKED AT LOCATED BASED ON THAT.
THEY LOOKED AT WHAT EVERYBODY ACTUALLY DID.
AND THEY SAID, THIS IS A JOB GRADE ONE CLERK.
THIS IS A JOB GRADE TWO CLERK, ET CETERA.
AND THEY FILLED THIS OUT BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY ASK, UH, A MINUTE AGO IS, WELL, IS THIS FOR ALL CLERKS? AND WHAT I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS A REASON THAT THOSE CLERKS WERE CLASSIFIED BASED UPON THE WORK THEY'RE DOING.
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WHY DID WE PAY FOR THAT STUDY? SO IF THERE IS THE, HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS AND I'LL JUST LET Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I THINK, I THINK WE TRIED TO, WHEN WITH THE 5.7% PROPOSAL WAS FIRST DISCUSSED, THAT WAS TO TRY AND CORRECT THE FAILURE TO GIVE COST OF LIVING ADVANCE ADJUSTMENTS THE LAST TWO YEARS.WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING, I THINK PEOPLE GOING, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT BY SAYING, WELL, LET'S GO TO 4%.
I GUESS THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
IT DOESN'T TIE TO A COST OF LIVING NUMBER.
IT'S JUST WE THINK WE NEED TO GIVE MORE MONEY.
UM, BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING LET'S CHANGE ALL EITHER ALL COUNTY CLERK AND DISTRICT CLERK CLERKS TO PAY SCALE TWO OR LET'S CHANGE ALL CLERKS, WHICH I GUESS IS OTHER PEOPLE ALSO ELECTIONS OFFICE AND WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S TO, TO TO PAY GRADE TWO JP AND TAX OFFICE, WHICH JP AND TAX OFFICE.
WHICH BRINGS THE OBVIOUS QUESTION.
WELL, IF THE PEOPLE DOING THE, IF THOSE JOB DUTIES REQUIRED A OR WERE DEEMED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT PAY GRADE AND WORK LEVEL, THEN NOW ALL THE CLERKS IN THAT WERE CLASSIFIED TWO AND MAY, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT APPARENTLY THERE'S SOME IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ARE WE GONNA SAY WE'RE MOVING ALL THEM TO THREE? I I, I JUST, I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO APPROACH IT.
WELL, CAN I FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT YOU CAN, YES.
UM, I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO APPROACH IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO INCREASES.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING CERTAIN OFFICES AND SAYING, WE NEED TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE A BUMP, WHICH WAS THE REASON I VOTED AGAINST THE PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENTS THIS MORNING IN THE ELECTIONS OFFICE.
IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM FOR DOING THIS, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THAT PROGRAM AND WE SHOULD PAY PEOPLE BASED ON THAT.
AND OTHERWISE, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD NOW TELL KEN, WELL, WE'RE NOT MOVING ALL YOUR PEOPLE TO PAY GRADE THREE.
I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF THAT.
AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COME UP HERE, KENDA OR DEFENDANT.
I'M JUST SAYING TO ME, WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM, LET'S WORK WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
IF WE NEED TO GIVE THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT TO 5.7, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
UM, I, UM, WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT NOW.
THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW SYSTEM THAT, UM, THAT JOHN HAS GIVEN TO US IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND HASN'T WORKED AND DOESN'T WORK.
AND FRANKLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN A SYSTEM THAT EVEN LOOKS LIKE THAT IN ALL OF MY TIME DEALING WITH THESE KIND OF THINGS.
IN ADDITION, AND I'LL WAIT, I'LL WAIT WHILE YOU'RE LEAVING.
I'LL JUST SHOW YOU SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN MY OPINION.
AND HERE TWO IN THE ELECTIONS OFFICE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE RESOURCE.
SO, UH, BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT DIDN'T WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND LIKE I'VE SAID, I FEEL LIKE A HUNDRED TIMES DURING THIS BUDGET PROCESS IS THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GO TO ADJUST JOB GRADES AND WHEN YOU GO TO ADJUST SCALES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OUTLIERS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO FIX.
AS WE GET STARTED ON SOMETHING NEW, AND IN THIS INSTANCE IN THE DATA THAT WE GOT FROM CAMMY AND HER TEAM DOING THE PAY STUDY, THE CLERKS WERE UNDERPAID.
I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY COUNTY AND DISTRICT CLERKS WERE UNDERPAID.
REMEMBER THAT WE, OUR GOAL WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TO ADDRESS THIS WAS TO YES, ADDRESS THE ENTIRE PAY SCALE FOR A COLA TO GET IT IN LINE, BUT THEN TO ALSO FIX THOSE CLERKS THAT ARE OUTLIERS.
THEY'RE OUTLIERS IN THIS AND WE HAVE TO FIX THAT.
WE NEVER DISCUSSED THE LEGAL CLERKS, NOT THAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T HAVE, BUT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THEM BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PART OF WHAT THE DATA SET TOLD US.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO COMPARE THEM TO THEIR PEERS.
WE CAN GUESS, BUT WE'RE NOT GUESSING RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE DATA THAT TELLS US OUR CLERKS
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ARE UNDERPAID.WE HAVE DATA THAT TELLS US WHERE THEY SHOULD GO.
JOB GRADE TWO WITH THE 5.7% ADJUSTMENT PUTS 'EM THERE.
IF WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT THIS YEAR AND WE GO TO THE 4%, IT'S REALLY NOT A TON DIFFERENT.
AND AT LEAST THAT GETS US PART OF THE WAY THERE.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO DO EVERY YEAR.
ONCE WE GET THIS IN PLACE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SYSTEM.
BUT WHEN WE'RE STARTING THIS NEW SYSTEM, IF WE ADOPT IT THAT JOHN WORKED ON, WOULD YOU SAY COURSE CORRECTION WOULD BE A A BUZZWORD? YEAH.
FOR, FOR WHERE WE'RE AT, WE ARE JUST COURSE CORRECTING THIS GROUP THAT WE NEED TO COURSE CORRECT AND THEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
HOPEFULLY WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THIS YET AND IT'S KIND OF AN ISSUE.
LIKE IT'S A REAL THING RIGHT NOW.
I HOPE WE ADOPT IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
BUT THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CLERKS.
IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SINGLE OUT GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM RAISES.
'CAUSE I HOPE WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING WITH THIS GROUP, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIX IT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT PUTS US MORE IN LINE WITH THE NUMBERS THAT CAMMIE GOT IF WE BUMPED TO 5.7%.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT AS YOU SAY, THE SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK.
UM, THAT'S A MATTER OF OPINION AND IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN KEPT UP THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
BUT IF WE HAVE A SYSTEM, WE HAVE A SYSTEM AND I'M JUST AFRAID WE'RE ABOUT TO, WE'RE ABOUT TO START TWEAKING SECTIONS LIKE WE DID THIS MORNING WITH ELECTIONS.
NO DISRESPECT TO THE PEOPLE IN ELECTIONS.
IT'S JUST IF WE'RE WITHIN A SYSTEM THAT, THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS.
AND I THINK THE 5.7 HELPS DO THAT.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK, I, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT THIS BOBBY, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY IT, BUT YOU SAID IF WE DO 4%, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THE PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENTS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF MONEY.
IF, IF WE CAN'T DO THE PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENTS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF MONEY, THEN I'M REALLY GONNA FIGHT FOR 5.7%.
NO, I'M SAYING WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE, THE PAY.
THE NEW THING THAT JOHN CAME UP WITH WAS A, WHICH WAS A 4% SLIDE.
AND THEN THE 4% ON TOP, YOU HAVE TWO SHEETS IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU HAVE ONE THAT SAYS 5.7 AND YOU HAVE ONE THAT SAYS FOUR.
AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT DIFFERENCE ON THE CLERKS WITH BOTH OF THOSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I DON'T THINK THE 4% WAS ON TOP OF THE 4% SLIDE.
AND THERE WAS AN IMPACT FOR THE CLERKS OF WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS THAT WE WERE JUST GIVEN.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IF WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THE 5.7% ON HERE AND WE ONLY DO THE FOUR, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AT JOB GRADE TWO SAYS THE 4% PUTS US AT 37.
AND AT 5.7 IT PUTS US AT 37 8 51.
I'M JUST SAYING THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CLOSE AND I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
WE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING? I THINK WE AGREE.
WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN WE COME VOTE WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION
LET, SO I JUST, NOT TO CONTINUE TO MUDDY THE WATER, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD ASKED WAS, AND, AND THAT KENDA EVEN BROUGHT UP TOO, THE OTHER CLERKS THAT ARE GRADE LEVEL TWO OKAY.
THAT ARE NOT IN THE, THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE OR THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE.
ARE WE JUST GONNA, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE STAND ON THAT BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING THAT WAS WHAT WE STARTED.
WE TALKED MEANT THEY WERE UNDERPAID BE BECAUSE THE BEGINNING CLERKS WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES.
THE JUSTICE, OUR SECOND IN CHARGE WAS ALSO WOEFULLY UNDERPAID.
AND, AND I I CORRECTED THAT AND YOU THE FIRST DRAFT FIXED THAT YOU ALREADY FIXED THAT.
SO WE HAVE THE TAX, WELL I GRADE TWO CLERKS BEING UNDERPAID.
SO I HAVE THE TAX OFFICE WITH, WITH THE SHEET YOU JUST GAVE US HAS THE TAX OFFICE, IT HAS THE JPS, UM, AND THEN IT HAS, UM, AT A GRADE LEVEL TWO, UH, LEGAL CLERK IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THAT'S THE ONES THAT HAVE A TWO NEXT TO THEIR NAME.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE ELECTIONS, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHICH ONES ARE INCLUDED WHEN.
SO SO LET'S GO BACK TO CHANGING ALL CLERKS.
IS THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE COUNTY CLERK, THE JPS AND THE TAX OFFICE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO O OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TRACKING 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE.
SO THAT, BUT, BUT THOSE NUMBERS YOU THREW OUT A WHILE AGO WAS 34 6 90
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VERSUS THAT WOULD BE LINE NUMBER THREE.UM, AND VERSUS 61 98, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND SO THEN I'M JUST SAYING, SO WHEN IT SAYS ALL CLERKS, THAT IS DISTRICT CLERK.
SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT THOSE NUMBERS TOO.
AND UM, AND THEN THE, UH, TAX OFFICE, YEAH, WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL CLERKS.
'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T PART OF ANY, ANY, UH, PAY STUDY THAT I SAW AND IT, IT, I WHAT THEY, I WERE THEY ON THERE? OKAY.
AND WHERE, WHERE DO THEY SIT THEN? THE SAME PAGE.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLUG MY LAPTOP BACK IN.
SO THEY CAME IN AT, AND WHAT I GAUGED MARKET COMPETITIVENESS BY WAS THE MIDPOINT AND THEY CAME IN AT 85% OF THE MARKET.
ANYTHING BELOW 80% ACCORDING TO OUR PREVIOUS CONSULTANTS, WHAT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, UM, ANYTHING BELOW 80% WAS BELOW MARKET.
SO THE LEGAL CLERKS CAME IN AT 85% AS FAR AS THE MIDPOINT AND, AND ALSO THEIR MINIMUM SALARY.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE GRADE ONE CLERKS WOULD BE IF WE GAVE A 5.7%
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO COMPARE THAT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WELL, BUT ISN'T THAT GONNA BE THE SAME FOR THE LEGAL CLERKS TOO? I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE ARE GONNA USE THAT NUMBER AFTER WE GIVE A RAISE TO COMPARE TO THOSE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT RAISES OTHER COUNTIES OR MUNICIPALITIES ARE GIVING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GIVE A 5.7% BUMP TO GET THEM CLOSER TO THE MIDPOINT AND THE MIDPOINTS GONNA RUN AWAY FROM THEM AFTER BUDGETING FOR OTHER COUNTIES.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WITH EVERY, ALL OF THIS.
NO, WE'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WELL, I'LL ANSWER YOUR, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, LAUREN.
UM, ON THE COUNTY CLERK, UH, 'CAUSE I HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
THE, UH, IT WILL TAKE IT, THE MIDPOINT WOULD BE 42 AND THE MARKET HAD THE MIDPOINT AT 46.5.
SO WERE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE COUNTY CLERK OR THE LAW? WELL, HE WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT CLERK ONE AND I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE, YEAH, I WAS ASKING ABOUT CLERK ONE AND THAT IS CLERK ONE.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST, I HAVE IT ALL HERE.
SO EFFECTIVELY, UM, EFFECTIVELY WE'RE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT TO GET RID OF JOB GRADE ONE OR THE CLERK.
THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN JOB GRADE ONE WHO CUSTODIANS.
SO CLERKS, WE'RE GONNA SAY NO CLERKS WILL BE IN JOB GRADE ONE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT OTHER DATA DO WE NEED? COMMISSIONERS? I JUST, I HAVE TO, I I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION IF YOU OKAY.
COME, COME ASK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
SO I GUESS, AND I, KEN, NICOLE PEPPER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
SO I AM AGAIN CLARIFYING MY CLARIFYING REMARKS FROM EARLIER THAT WHEN I HAD BEEN HEARING ABOUT ALL THIS IN THE, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE POINT WHATEVER, UM, RAISE THAT WAS GONNA BE ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL CLERKS.
AND I, I THINK I'LL ECHO LAUREN'S COMMENTS, THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE LEGAL CLERKS, UH, ARE OVERPAID, UNDERPAID OR WHEREVER, UM, THEY WERE DEEMED IN THAT STUDY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE FOUGHT HARD, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE PUT AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
IT WAS AGREED UPON, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE NOW PUTTING EVERYBODY AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME LEVEL.
BUT YOU ALSO, WHICH AGAIN, DISCOUNTS.
THE STUDY THAT WE DID, THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THAT LEGAL CLERK STATUS WERE ELECTION CLERKS THAT YOU JUST RAISED THEIR SALARIES THIS MORNING.
SO NOW THE LEGAL CLERKS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE BEING LEFT.
UM, WE HAVE EIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR BASE CLERKS AND FOUR SENIOR CLERKS.
NOW YOU HAVE NO DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN SENIOR CLERKS AND CLERKS, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GIVING THAT, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE.
SO I I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
I CERTAINLY AM SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE THINK THAT ALL THE CLERKS SHOULD BE PAID MORE AS WELL.
BUT THERE WAS A REASON THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THAT, THAT LEGAL CLERKS WERE AT A DIFFERENT, UM, LEVEL THAT WAS NOT KENDA SAYING THAT THAT WAS A STUDY THAT Y'ALL DID PURCHASE.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LEAVE THAT
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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER, THIS IS EIGHT POSITIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.UM, BUT RECONSIDER DOING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD INSTEAD OF, AGAIN, LOCALIZING THAT TO CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS.
THERE'S NO, HANG ON, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BASE CLERK AND THE SENIOR CLERK PAY NOW.
THERE IS NOW, BUT HOW ARE, BUT IF YOU BRING THE, THE, AND, AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS, UM, THE OTHER DAY, WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING, AND I, I AM NOT ARGUING TO GIVE THE CLERKS, I THINK THE CLERKS NEED MORE PAY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION WHEN YOU CAN MAKE MORE AT BUCKY'S THAN YOU CAN AT HERE.
I WAS ASKING SOMEBODY, UH, A CLERK THAT HAD WORKED HERE FOR 16 YEARS.
IN 16 YEARS THERE'S BEEN A $5,000 DIFFERENTIAL THAT'S, THAT'S INSANE AT THE CLERK LEVEL.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE IS ROOM TO GROW.
THAT WHEN YOU'VE BEEN AT THE, AT THE DA'S OFFICE OR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE OR WHEREVER THAT YOU GET A SENIOR CLERK STATUS, THAT'S A RAISE IN PAY.
UM, AND SO YOU'VE JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL, UH, THAT YOU MAINTAIN A DIFFERENTIAL.
BUT AGAIN, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE BASE, UH, JUST AS, AS LAUREN LICHTY WAS OR COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS SAYING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT I, I APPLAUD WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CLERKS.
IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT.
IF YOU DO IT FOR ONE, YOU, AGAIN, IF, IF WE MADE DETERMINATIONS REGARDING JOB GRADES, I ASSUME I WASN'T HERE.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT, BUT I ASSUME IT WAS DONE WITH SOME BASIS OF LOGIC AND REASON.
SO WHEN WAS THE LAST OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL STUDY DONE? IT WAS DONE IN 2016 AND IMPLEMENTED IN 2017.
AND THERE WAS ANOTHER COMP STUDY DONE IN 2021.
21 THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2022.
THE PROFESSIONAL, WE PAID FOR A COMP STUDY IN 21.
SAME LEVEL THAT WE PAID FOR IN 16.
I WAS JUST GIVING YOU THE LAST TWO.
'CAUSE THEY WERE FRESH ON MY BRAIN.
'CAUSE I JUST LOOKED IT OVER LAST NIGHT.
BOTH OF THOSE DONE BEFORE WE WERE HERE BEFORE ANY OF US WERE SITTING IN THESE SEATS.
AS UNCOMFORTABLE AS THEY MAY BE
AND, AND HERE, HERE'S HERE, HERE'S MY FEAR.
AND, AND IT COMES FROM BEING ON HAVING A HISTORY OF CITY COUNCIL.
WE CAN HEAD DOWN THE PATH OF GETTING A PROFESSIONAL STUDY DONE.
BUT PROFESSIONAL STUDIES, HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE ARE DONE TO GIVE THE ELECTEDS POLITICAL COVER TO HIDE BEHIND AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU MUST DO.
WE'VE MADE THE DECISION FOR YOU.
NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS HERE.
HERE'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE.
AND, AND, AND THIS IS JUST TAKING A DEEP DIVE INTO THE NUMBERS, ESPECIALLY, AND I'M GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE DISTRICT CLERK AND COUNTY CLERK.
I'M, I'M, NO OFFENSE TO THE TAX ASSESSORS IN THE ROOM, I JUST HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE TAX ASSESSOR STUFF AS MUCH AS I LOOKED AT THE ONES THAT CAME IN AND, AND MADE IT, HEY, SAID, HEY, WE NEED ALL THESE BIG RAISES.
IS THAT FROM 2016 THEY WERE THE, THE LARGEST OUTLIER UNDER MARKET.
AND IN 2022 WHEN WE DID THE COMP STUDY, THEY WERE THE LARGEST OUTLIER UNDER THE MARKET.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IF WE DID TWO COMP STUDIES, THAT THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO TRY TO MOVE THOSE CLERKS UP.
SO WAS THERE A PROFESSIONAL DECISION THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO NOW NONE OF US WERE HERE.
AND, AND IN ONE OF THOSE, I DON'T EVEN THINK OUR HR DIRECTOR WAS HERE FOR ONE OF THOSE STUDIES.
I WAS HERE, UH, FOR MOST OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT WE HAD A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE WHO TOOK THE DATA FROM AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANTS AND THEN MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT BASED ON WHAT THEY FELT NECESSARY.
SO, BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2016 COMP STUDY, IT SHOWS THAT THE DISTRICT CLERK AND COUNTY CLERK ENTRY-LEVEL CLERKS ARE OUT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SITTING IN, IN THE, IN THE LOW EIGHTIES AND IN 2022, THEY'RE IN THE LOW EIGHTIES, AND NOW THEY'RE ABOUT 80 SOMETHING.
AND THEN THIS PUTS THEM IN ABOUT 93, 94 IN THAT PERCENTILE.
IF, IF WE DO WHAT BOBBY'S ASKING US TO DO, EITHER THE THE 4% OR THE 5.7%, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS PUT YOU ABOUT IN THE SAME SPOT, YOU LAND IN ABOUT THE SAME SPOT.
UM, BUT I I, I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIGURE OUT WHY IN BOTH OF THOSE COMPENSATION STUDIES, THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO BRING THOSE CLERKS UP.
BUT A LOT OF THE OTHER POSITIONS WERE ADJUSTED.
SO IT'S HARD TO GO BACK AND, AND, AND, AND SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, THIS PERSON MESSED UP.
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UM, I I DO NOW, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MY OWN CURIOSITY, WANNA LOOK AT THE TAX ASSESSOR 'CAUSE SHE'S, SHE'S SITTING IN THE ROOM AND SEE WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.'CAUSE I HAVE THE COMP STUDIES ON MY COMPUTER.
WHERE WERE THEY AT AT THAT TIME? AND, AND YEAH.
AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT, AND WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT HISTORY FOREVER, BUT WE LET'S DO IT AGAIN.
I I, I, TO NOT ADMITTING BOBBY, I'M REALLY SORRY.
BUT, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY WERE AN OUTLIER IN 16.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA FIX IT? WHEN ARE WE GONNA FIX IT? WELL, LET, LET, LET, LET ME SEE IF I CAN KIND OF, UH, MAYBE, UH, DIVIDE THIS ELEPHANT UP INTO SMALLER BITES.
DO DO WE HAVE THE, THE WILL TO MOVE ALL CLERKS KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO START A, A CHORUS OF ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS IN EVERY DEPARTMENT WANTING TO MOVE UP TO, TO THE NEXT JOB LEVEL.
BUT THE DATA AND SORRY, GO AHEAD.
DO, DO WE HAVE THE WILL FOR THAT OR, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST STAY FOCUSED ON DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERK? I, I'LL JUST GET MINE OFF AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE CAN TALK.
I, I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT A COURSE OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COURT.
THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN EVERY BUDGET, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT A COURSE OF PEOPLE COMING BECAUSE WE FIX THINGS THAT WERE WRONG.
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT FIXING WHAT IS WRONG BASED ON THE DATA.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DATA THAT SAYS ALL THESE OTHER ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS ARE OFF.
I THINK WE HAVE DATA GOING BACK TO 2016 THAT SAYS COUNTY CLERK, DISTRICT CLERK, CLERKS ARE OFF.
NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TAX ASSESSOR.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE LEGAL CLERK.
WE NEED TO SEE IF THOSE ARE OFF.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT KEN'S SAYING ABOUT, UH, HOW THAT, UH, AFFECTS HER AND MOVING UP INTO SENIOR CL.
BUT THE DATA FROM SIX, ALL THE WAY FROM 16 SAYS, THIS GROUP'S AN OUTLIER AND WE NEED TO FIX IT.
WE DON'T HAVE DATA ON ANY OTHER POSITION THAT SAYS THAT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BREAK THAT DOWN SIMPLY FOR ME.
UH, YOU, YOUR NUMBER ONE IS TO FIX WHAT WE KNOW I IS, IS OUTTA WHACK, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERK, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DATA THAT SAYS THAT.
AND I, AND I, THERE'S BACKUP TO THAT THAT I CAN STAND ON.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONER M**K? MY THOUGHT IS THAT, BUT I BELIEVE I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, WITH, UM, KIM SWEET, UM, AND KIM AND I HAVE LOOKED AT HER GROUP.
AND SO DID YOU, WERE YOU SAYING THAT AS WELL? ALL CLERKS? 'CAUSE I, I, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS FROM THOSE I I HAVEN'T LOOKED, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE, SO I CAN'T REALLY INTELLIGENTLY SPEAK ON THOSE.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK JOHN'S LOOKING AT THOSE RIGHT NOW.
WELL THEN MAYBE WE GO TO JOHN.
I, I, I BELIEVE I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
WHICH IS OUR SYSTEM IS OUR SYSTEM.
AND I THINK BY DOING, WE THE, YEAH, THE ORGANIZATION FAILED TO ADDRESS COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR SCALE IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD FIX THAT.
NOW, AND, AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
WE'VE GIVEN, UH, SUBSTANTIAL VERY HEALTHY MERIT RAISES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO, UH, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE GIVEN THE MONEY, BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IS ADJUST THE SCALE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN RECEIVE THE MONEY.
AND I'LL DO AN ADDENDUM TO THAT COMMENT, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T ASK ME FOR ONE.
I WOULD LOVE ONE IS THAT THAT BRINGS US CLOSER TO CORRECTING THE PROBLEM.
I AGREE THAT BOBBY FIELDS EXISTS.
'CAUSE IT PUTS US CLOSER TO OUR MIDPOINT, CLOSER TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE IF WE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE STUDIES, AND I'M GOING, I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT 21 NOW, I HAVE TWO COMPUTERS IN FRONT OF ME, AND I HAVE A LOT OF DATA UP.
SO TAX OFFICE, THE TAX OFFICE, THEIR MARKET AVERAGE ON THE MINIMUM WAS AT 88 PERCENTILE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT THE DIS THE THE COUNTY CLERK, IT WAS AT AN 81 AT THE SAME TIME.
AND CAMMY REMIND ME, 80 IS WHERE IT TRIPS AND SAYS YOU'RE NOT TO MARKET IF YOU'RE BELOW 80.
YEAH, BELOW 80 IS KIND OF WHAT? WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
THE COUNTY CLERK, WAS IT 80% OF THE MIDPOINT? NO.
PEOPLE WORKING, HOLD I'M TALKING MINIMUMS. I'M GONNA GET TO THE MIDPOINT IN A SECOND.
THE, THE MIDPOINT, THEY WERE BOTH AT 96 AND 97 PERCENTILE.
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LEVEL ISSUE AT BOTH OF THESE OFFICES THAT YOU COULD ARGUE IS 80 TO 80% OF 81% AND 88% OF WHAT? AT THE ENTRY LEVEL OF, OF THE MARKET AVERAGE.SO THEN THEY'RE 81, THEY'RE THEN THE, SO THE COUNTY CLERK WAS AT THE 81ST PERCENTILE.
IF THAT, IF THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT, WHERE'S THE PROBLEM AT ON THAT DATE? C CORRECT.
NOT TODAY, BUT ON THAT DATE, IF THAT INFORMATION'S CORRECT.
IF WE'RE AT 81 AND 88% OF MARKET AVERAGE FOR ENTRY LEVEL, I THOUGHT WE SAID 85% AND 80% TRIGGERED A PROBLEM.
I THOUGHT WE SAID 85% EARLIER.
SO, AND WE'RE AT 81 AND 88, WHERE WRAPPED AROUND 85 MOVING INTO FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
NOW I, I KNOW, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT AT THAT PROBLEM, AT THAT TIME, I SAID AT THAT TIME, WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM? THERE WASN'T ONE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T ACT.
'CAUSE NONE OF US WERE ON THE, WERE ON THERE.
WELL, AND ESPECIALLY IF IT CORRECTS AT THE MIDPOINT.
UM, 'CAUSE KEN'S RIGHT, UH, IT IT, IT CREATES AN UNHAPPY EMPLOYEE IF THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO, UH, IF THERE'S A PLACE TO GO, UM, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE GOT AN ENGAGED HAPPY EMPLOYEE.
SO, UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MIDPOINT WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD BEGINNING SALARY.
WE ARE FLIRTING WITH THE 80 PERCENTILE.
WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER THAT COMMISSIONER GOANA IS, UH, IS FOCUSING ON HIS ARGUMENTS.
AND THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THEN, SO THEN YOU START SEEING ACTUALS, WHICH MEANS THEY START COMPARING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE, AND THIS IS 2021, WHAT WE'RE PAYING VERSUS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, IS THEN OUR ACTUALS ARE LOWER, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH IS RETENTION.
UM, AND SO IN, IN A FEW OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE SERIOUS RETENTION ISSUES.
SO THEN THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COURT, THE SECOND QUESTION BEFORE THE COURT, YOU SAID, DO WE HAVE THE WILL TO ADJUST ALL OF THEM? DO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ADJUSTMENT IS GONNA HELP WITH RETENTION? IT'S A VALID QUESTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S TRULY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER WITH DATA.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT I MADE WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, I BELIEVE THOSE UPGRADES WILL HELP WITH RETENTION, BECAUSE THEN WE BECOME MORE MARKET COMPETITIVE WITH A VERY SPECIAL SKILLSET OF, OF OTHER DISPATCH AREAS.
BUT THEN SHERIFF GARETH SAID THAT THEY'LL JUST RAISE THEIRS AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE, IT'S ALWAYS A GAME.
AND I MEAN, I, I SEE, I, I SEE LEAH IN HERE AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HEARD WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE PRESENTED HER BUDGET TO US, IS THAT SHE LOST, UM, AN EMPLOYEE TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORING COUNTY.
AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT'S, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DATA THAT HAS GIVEN US FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WORTH OF, OF, UM, INFORMATION.
BUT A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND OUR, I THINK A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, IF THEY ARE GOING TO COUNTIES, UM, SOME OF THEM I THINK ARE ENTERING OTHER, OTHER INDUSTRIES.
BUT, AND WE, AND WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT.
AND WE, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO BE TRYING TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WHEN WE START LOOKING AT, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THE COUNTY CLERK, NOW, THE MIDPOINT ON OUR, ON THE ONE THAT THE HR DID, IT WENT FROM 97 PERCENTILE TO 88 PERCENTILE IN, IN FOUR YEARS.
THE MIDPOINT, I MEAN, WE DROPPED 11 PERCENTILE POINTS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT KEEPING ADJUSTMENTS, WE'RE NOT KEEPING ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE, THEY BOTH DO THAT.
'CAUSE THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS FOCUSING IN ON DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERKS IS NOW, THEY WERE AT 97TH PERCENTILE AT THE MIDPOINT.
NOW THEY'RE IN THE 88, THEY'RE BELOW 90 AT, SO SOMETHING HAPPENED.
WELL, THE MARKET MOVED AND WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
MAYBE NOT, NOTHING'S AN EASY QUESTION.
DURING BUDGET TIME, DOES INCREASING THE PAY OF JOB GRADE ONE TO JOB GRADE TWO, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS A $3,000 INCREASE, DOES THAT HELP WITH RETENTION? AND, AND I REALIZE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER FACTORS INTO RETAINING EMPLOYEES.
BUT DD DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? I THINK THAT IT, IT'S A START.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR COMMISSIONER STACY, IS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 80 PERCENTILE IN THE, THE 2021 STUDY, IS THAT 80 PERCENTILE OF THE MINIMUM OR THE MIDPOINT? THE MIDPOINT WAS AT 97 AND 2021.
WE WERE AT 83, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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YEAH.I I JUST WANTED TO GET TO A RANGE OF THE AVERAGE MINIMUM SALARY.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, THAT THE NUMBERS SAY THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD GET YEAH.
AND LISTEN TO SOME, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE A AND THAT'S NOT EVEN THE AVERAGE MINIMUM.
IT'S NOT SALARY FROM THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 37, 38, 6.
WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PERCENTAGES, UH, FROM THE STUDIES THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THOSE PERCENTAGES.
JUST SO WE HAVE IT ALL BELOW 80% IS CONSIDERED BELOW MARKET VALUE.
80 TO 90% IS CONSIDERED, YOU'RE AT THE LOW END OF THE MARKET.
90% TO 110% IS CONSIDERED MARKET COMPETITIVE.
SO IF WE'RE WANT TO BE AT THE LOW END OF MARKET COMPETITIVE, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 90%.
SO, SO DID, IT'S YOUR BELIEF THAT THREE GRAND.
I I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A START FOR SURE.
I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN EVEN GET BETTER, BUT OKAY.
HOW, HOW MANY OPENINGS DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW AT ENTRY LEVEL RIGHT NOW? I DON'T HAVE ANY.
I, I HIRED MY, THE LATEST ONE WILL START NEXT WEEK.
SO BACK TO MY QUESTION, WHICH WAS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
DO WE HAVE THE WILL TO JUST DO ONE DEPARTMENT THAT THE DATA SHOWS, UM, AND DO WE BELIEVE THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM? I, I WANT TO SEE, 'CAUSE THE 2025, WHAT DID IT SHOW? 'CAUSE I CAN'T FIND WHAT IT SHOWED FOR THE TAX OFFICE OR THE JP CLERKS.
AGAIN, I STARTED HYPER-FOCUSING ON WHAT BOBBY WAS BRINGING UP DATA WISE.
AND SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, YOU GOT TRICKED INTO, UH, LETTING HIM FRAME THE CONVERSATION.
GOOD JOB, COMMISSIONER ALANA
SO I JUST, SO I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BY LOOKING AT WHAT THIS IS SHOWING US.
SO THIS IS JP CLARK, THE ONE I DID.
SO ON THE JP CLERK, WE HAVE AN 84% PAY RANGE MINIMUM.
A MIDPOINT IS AT 83% AND THE MAXIMUM'S AT 83%.
BUT DO WE HAVE TURNOVER THERE? WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE SOME PRETTY LONG TENURED JP CLERKS.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY EVEN AT THE STARTING AND WE'RE 86% ACROSS THE BOARD AT THE TAX OFFICE? LIKE IT'S EXACTLY 86% ACROSS THE BOARD.
80%, 86% AT THE, AT THE MINIMUM, THE MIDPOINT AND THE MAX.
OUR PAY SCALE, OUR CURRENT PAY SCALE IS THE 86TH PERCENTILE.
AGAIN, AS BOBBY SAID, 90TH IS THE LOW END OF MARKET.
SO I GUESS WITH THAT, I GUESS THERE IS ENOUGH DATA TO SAY THAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING ALL OF THOSE CLERKS, ALL ALL OF THOSE CLERKS BEING WHO, THE ONES WE JUST MENTIONED, THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE COUNTY CLERK, THE JUSTICE CLERKS, AND THE TAX ASSESSOR.
NOW, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE GO TO THE 5.7 OR THE 4%? I TEND TO LIKE THE 4% BECAUSE IT STARTS US ON A COURSE CORRECTION.
IT'S 114,582, UM, ONTO THE BUDGET TO, TO DO THAT COURSE CORRECTION, TO, UM, START MOVING US IN A DIRECTION THAT I THINK ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE HAVE IGNORED THE, UH, THE CHART, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE GIVEN GOOD RAISES, WHICH WILL GET STARTED US ON THE PATH OF GETTING BACK TO BEING MORE COMPETITIVE.
SO DOES THAT FIX OUR SCALE? AND IS THAT A LATER CONVERSATION? 'CAUSE YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME ADVOCATE FOR MOVING THE SCALE DURING THE BUDGET IS A, IS THE WORST TIME TO MOVE THE SCALE.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT IS THE WORST TIME, BUT NO TIME, LIKE THE PRESENT TO COURSE CORRECT.
IT'S HARD NOT TO DO A COURSE CORRECTION DURING, NOT DURING BUDGETING BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THE COURSE CORRECTION, BUT WE STILL NEED TO ADOPT THIS NEW PLAN AT SOME POINT OR AT LEAST TALK ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN FAVOR AND WHO'S NOT ON THE COURT, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT? WELL, THAT, THAT'S A, UH, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEAL.
AND THEN IT'S TAKING FRANK'S 4% MERIT AND BASICALLY MAKING A 4% COLA IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN DOING A GRADE, A JOB GRADE UPGRADE TO FOUR DEPARTMENTS.
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THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.WE'RE DOING A 4% COLA ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND THEN WE'RE DOING A JOB GRADE, A JOB GRADE UPGRADE ON FOUR AREAS FOR ENTRY LEVEL CLERKS.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.
THAT'S A HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN FIVE HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO BUDGET IMPACT.
JUST I HAVE TO DIGEST THIS FOR JUST A MINUTE.
JUST THROW THIS IN WHILE YOU'RE DIGESTING.
UM, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UH, IF WE, IF WE WENT WITH THE APPROACH THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY ONE COMMISSIONER AND SHIFT THE PAY RANGE 5.7%, IT WILL COST US $133,880.
IF WE GO THE APPROACH OF SHIFTING THE PAY RANGE 4% AND CHANGING ALL CLERKS TO PROPOSED PAY SCALE GRADE TWO, WHICH SOME AGREE WITH AND SOME DON'T.
UM, THAT WOULD BE 114,000, UM, $582.
SO BY ADOPTING THAT APPROACH, BUT NOT MAKING THE SHIFT IN, IN THE, IN THE PAY RANGE THAT ONE COMMISSIONER SUGGESTED AT 5.7%, WE ARE ACTUALLY WOULD BE, THE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET WOULD BE ABOUT $18,000 LESS.
SO WHEN WE, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT OUR CONTINGENCY'S GONNA BE AS I, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, BUT, UM, 5.7% WOULD ACTUALLY BE GIVING MORE MONEY TO EVERYONE THAN THE 4%.
AND THE BUMPING ALL CLERKS TO GRADE TWO.
SO, SO IN, IN ONE WAY, TAKING THAT APPROACH WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY VERSUS BUMPING THE, SHIFTING THE RANGES.
5.7% WOULD, WE WOULD BE GIVING MORE MONEY TO EMPLOYEES BY DOING THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD RATHER SHIFT TO 5.7 BUT NOT MOVE THE CLERKS TO JOB GRADE TWO? I'M SAYING THAT BY SHIFTING TO 5.7.
'CAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES INTO PERCEPTION, PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, AND NOT INCREASING THE, THE, THE JOB, THE CLERKS PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL, THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO PAY, ACTUALLY WE'RE PAYING MORE MONEY TO EMPLOYEES BY GOING 5% AND NOT SHIFTING THE CLERKS.
AND WE WOULD ALSO BE RETAINING WHATEVER IT'S WORTH SOME SEMBLANCE OF ORDER IN OUR STRUCTURE.
I JUST, JUST, AND, AND YOU COULD MAKE THE STRONG ARGUMENT.
WELL LET'S, IF THOSE ARE THE TWO ALTERNATIVES AND THERE THERE'S MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES, BUT LET'S SAY THOSE WERE THE TWO, WE SHIFTED ALL THE RANGES, 5.7%, WE'RE GIVING MORE MONEY TO EMPLOYEES AND IT'S GONNA HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON OUR BOTTOM LINE THAN IT WOULD BY TICK SHIFTING 4% IN THE RANGE AND THEN BUMPING ALL CLERKS TO ANOTHER GRADE LEVEL, THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO OUR BOTTOM LINE TO TAKE OPTION TWO.
SORRY, I'M DOING MATH, SO BE CAREFUL HERE.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO THEN IS, OR WHAT WE COULD CONSIDER TO DO, BACK TO THE JUDGE'S COMMENT.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST SOLVE A, A MATH PROBLEM RIGHT NOW FROM THE BUDGET STANDPOINT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A BIGGER, THERE, THERE IS A BIGGER PROJECT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS TO REVIEW THE, THE, THE GRADE SCHEDULES.
AND, AND IT MAY NOT BE WITH A, AND I, FRANK, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPANY THAT COMES OUT AND DOES THAT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TALENT AND SKILLSET.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS THE MAKEUP LAST TIME WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS AN EMPLOYEE? UM, EMPLOYEES.
IT PROBABLY WAS SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE PART OF THAT LAST STUDY AS WELL.
BUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE SO THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE THIS TIME A YEAR FROM NOW REHASHING THESE, THE, THE, THIS CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT WE PROBABLY ARE STILL, THIS IS GONNA HELP, BUT NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK AT THE SAME PLACE AND WE'RE GONNA BE SAYING, OKAY, DO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? DO WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, PERCENT? AND AND, AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA AND THE DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS GOING ON FIVE YEARS OLD.
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SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.I MEAN, CASE STUDIES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THOSE ARE DONE INTERNALLY EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO YEARS IS PRIVATE SECTOR THREE YEARS TYPICALLY IN, IN WHAT I WOULD THINK IN GOVERNMENT.
BUT I, I DON'T, I I JUST DON'T ENVISION US BEING BACK HERE NEXT YEAR SAYING WE NEED TO REEVALUATE OUR ENTIRE JOB GRADE SYSTEM.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, SET IT UP AND WE'RE GONNA USE IT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE LIKES, WHICH IS MERIT INCREASES FROM THAT POINT FORWARD AT LEAST UNTIL IT GETS OUTTA WHACK AGAIN.
AND THEN, THEN YOU ADJUST AND THEN, WE'LL, IN THREE YEARS TIME WE MAY KNOW THAT IT'S OUT OF WHACK.
SO IN, IN A FURTHER ATTEMPT TO GET US AT LEAST FOCUSED ON A TARGET DOWNRANGE, UH, COMMISSIONER STACEY IS THINKING DISTRICT COUNTY TAX AND JPS NEED TO GET AN ADJUSTMENT.
AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, JOB GRADE ONE GOES AWAY IN YOUR MIND FOR CLERKS? FOR CLERKS FOR CLERKS, CORRECT.
AND OUR CLERKS BECOME GRADE TWO AND I LOOK AT IT, UM, I'M NOT QUITE AS OPTIMISTIC AS COMMISSIONER ALANA.
I DO THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF COLA THAT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY MOST OF THE TIME.
EVEN IF IT'S A 1% OR A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE REMEMBERS WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS VOTED THEMSELVES A 20% RAISE OR WHATEVER THAT WAS
I DUNNO IF ANYONE WAS AROUND WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
BUT IF, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT GET ASK SKEW, IT BECOMES EVEN GREATER ASK SKEW.
AND, AND I WISH THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO FIX IT BECAUSE I I DO THINK THAT LAUREN IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT, UM, WHEN HE SAYS, HEY, LET'S MOVE IT AT 5.7 AND IF 5.7 DOESN'T FIX IT, LET'S JUST MOVE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE SCALE THIS MUCH OR THAT MUCH.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT I'M SAYING MOVE THE SCALES.
BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT, WHICH IS THE ENTRY LEVEL CLERKS AND SEVERAL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OFF.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE SIT IN THIS BUILDING AND WE START TALKING ABOUT RAISES THAT EVERYBODY IS LISTENING.
THEY ALL WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT, AND WHY DIDN'T THEIR DEPARTMENT HEAD COME IN AND ARGUE HARDER FOR, FOR THEM TO GET INCREASES.
BUT I THINK THAT ON, ON THIS, THE MARKET 100% DICTATES, IN MY OPINION, THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO IF THE MARKET IS DICTATING THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE, THEN I THINK THAT IT'S ALSO PHYSICALLY EXPEDIENT TO THEN GO, WELL, IF WE DO THIS, THEN WE FIX THE BIG BLACK EYES AND THEN MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN KIND OF MASSAGE IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN BE WHERE COMMISSIONER GOANA THINKS WE ARE, WHICH IS THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO A 1.5% COLA AND THEN A 2% MERIT OR A 3% MERIT ON TOP OF A COLA AND WE KEEP THE SCALES MOVING ALONG.
AND I, AND, AND I WOULD SAY I, I DON'T WANT TO USE, UH, ROMANTICAL LANGUAGE, BUT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, THAT I REGRET AS A COMMISSIONER IS NOT TAKING, MOVING THE SCALE SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
AND I'M TRYING TO CORRECT, CORRECT A WRONG THAT I FEEL THAT I COMMITTED.
AND SO BY ADJUSTING THE SCALES IN A COLA, I THINK STARTS THIS ON A PATH OF CORRECTION.
EVEN THOUGH THE RAISES WERE GOOD, THE RAISES ONLY HELPED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.
AND WHEN WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS WITH HIGH TURNOVER BECAUSE THE PAY ISN'T MARKET COMPETITIVE, THEN WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE HERE LONG ENOUGH IN CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS FOR THESE RAISES TO, TO TAKE EFFECT.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY MINDSET.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR LETTING ME GET ALL THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WANTED TO
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WORKING THROUGH, WORKING THROUGH THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING, JUST BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
SO JUST SO I KNOW THE MATH, THAT WOULD BE $114,580 PLUS OUR 85,672 OR NO, 85,000.
YEAH, THE 85 I THINK CHANGED TO 61 98.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE 114,580 IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.
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AND THEN WE WOULD STILL HAVE WORK TO DO LATER, NOT TUESDAY 'CAUSE THE AGENDA'S ALREADY SET, BUT TO ADJUST THE PAY SCALE TO, WE HAVE A NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT AND A LAW ENFORCEMENT PAY SCALE THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTED WHERE WE GET RID OF THE RANGES AND WE JUST HAVE A, A, A STARTING A MIDPOINT AND THE TOP OF THE RANGE.AND THEN, UM, WE DO THAT END OF THE SECOND MM-HMM
AND THEN WE DO THIS AS A 4% COLA RATHER THAN A 4% MERIT.
WELL, WE BUDGET FOR A 4% COLA.
DANA, DID YOU SAY YOU WANNA, DEPENDING UPON WHAT, IF YOU, IF WE TOOK COMMISSIONER STACY'S APPROACH, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANNA ADJUST ALL THE OTHER PAY SCALES AT THE END OF THE MONTH? NO, THEY JUST SAID, I THINK WHAT, WELL, I THINK, I THINK WHAT I HEARD FRANK SAY THAT WE, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO AS COURT.
BUT NOT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
WELL, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NO, NO, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD TAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT ANALYSIS.
WELL WE WOULD NEED TO, WE WOULD PROBABLY ADOPT, ADOPT, ADOPT WHAT HE'S GOT IN HIS HAND IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS JUST TAKING OUR CURRENT SCALE AND MOVING AT 4% AND GETTING RID OF RANGE ONE, RANGE TWO, RANGE THREE, RANGE FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY CONFUSED NOW.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS WHAT STARTED US DOWN THIS PATH, WHICH WAS YOUR MM-HMM
YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T WANNA ADOPT THAT NOW I WANNA ADOPT THE 4%, NOT THE 5.7.
SO, SO THAT, BUT THAT MEANS YOU ARE CHANGING THESE YES.
YOU'RE CHANGING THE PAY SCALE.
SO IS THE IDEA OF MORE WORK TO DO ON THIS LATER? I MEAN, OTHER THAN UPDATING IT GOES OUT THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE HE IS SAYING WE'RE HE'S SAYING HE WANTS TO ADOPT THESE.
IF WE TOOK THAT APPROACH, I'M SORRY.
I BELIEVE TODAY YOU'D BASICALLY BASICALLY BE ADOPTING THE MATH PART, THE NUMBERS, AND THEN YOU WOULD FORMALLY ADOPT THE PAY RANGES AND A COURT ORDER, WHICH DETAILS WHAT NEW HIRES ARE HIRED INTO WHAT A PROMOTION MEANS.
UM, YOU CAN PROMOTE SOMEONE BY GIVING THEM A 10% INCREASE.
UM, WHAT A LATERAL, UH, RELOCATION MEANS FOR AN EMPLOYEE.
BUT WHAT A DEMOTION MEANS ISN'T THAT IT'S JUST A FORMAL DUCTION.
ISN'T THAT IGNORING THE 54,384 THAT WOULD GO TO NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS BUDGET? AND WE, WE GOT A BUDGET TO, WE GOT A SET, RIGHT? YES.
RIGHT? SO THAT MEANS TO GET TO 114,500 AND, UM, 90 82, WE, WE HAVE TO SHIFT TO THIS OR WE'RE NOT GETTING THERE.
AND IF WE DO IT LATER, THEN WE'RE GONNA SPEND MORE MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T BUDGET.
I BELIEVE YOU COULD, I MEAN, IT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT YOU COULD, WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, WHETHER IT'S THE 4% OR FIVE POINT 0.7, COULDN'T YOU MAKE IT PART OF YOUR MOTION TO FORMALLY ADOPT THE NEW PAY RANGES AND JOB GRADES BASED ON THE 4% ADJUSTMENT OR BASED ON THE 5.7% ADJUSTMENT AND MAYBE ITEMIZE IF YOU YES, BUT WE COULD MM-HMM
YOU MEAN RIGHT NOW OR LATER AS PART OF THE BUDGET, UH, AGENDA ITEM.
I, BECAUSE THESE SCALES, THESE SALARY RANGES AND JOB GRADES DO GET PUBLISHED WITH A BUDGET.
I THINK THAT'S, BUT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW OR ELSE WE'RE IGNORING A SO THE ONLY BUDGET $54,000 IMPACT OF, OF DOING THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND IF IS $114,580 ON TOP OF WHAT'S ALREADY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID, I SAID THE 60,000 1 98 TO CHANGE THE CLERKS TO THE PROPOSED PAY SCALE GRADE AT TWO.
IS THAT NOT ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
YOU SHARE, STACY, THAT THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE ONE 14 IS YOU DO THE 4% AND THEN YOU DO THE GRADE SHIFT.
I'M STILL DIGESTING OVER HERE, BUT I, I THINK I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M LIKING, UH, AND, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STACEY.
I, I DO BELIEVE IT CORRECTS AND, AND I'M STILL ALL ABOUT MERIT YEAHM, I'M ALL ABOUT GIVING DEPARTMENT HEADS MONEY AND LETTING THEM RUN THEIR DEPARTMENT.
BUT WHENEVER THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE RUN INTO, UH, THE TOP OF THEIR SCALE AND THAT ARE STILL EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS, IT, IT MAKES IT HARD.
IT MAKES IT HARD FOR THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD TO CONTINUE TO REWARD, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE PERFORMING BEYOND
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EXPECTATIONS.WHAT ABOUT THAT? UH, SO I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THIS.
UM, BUT I'M STILL DIGESTING, THIS IS ALL, ALL ALL NEW DATA.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE DO, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON FROM THIS WHILE I DIGEST.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER BIG THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LEGAL SERVICES.
THAT INFORMATION TODAY OR TOMORROW, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, THE DA EXPANSION AND, UH, WE HAVE TO COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THE THREE DISPATCH COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.
I HAVE, I HAVE ONE LITTLE THING THAT CAME IN THAT, AND IT ACTUALLY IS SMALL, SO EVERYONE, IT'S OKAY.
UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING A LEASE ON THE DISHWASHER IN THE JAIL.
UM, THAT TOOK AN $84,000 ITEM DOWN TO A $7,800 ITEM.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO CREATE AN ELECTRIC CIRCUIT BECAUSE THE NEW DISHWASHER CAN'T BE PLUGGED IN TO THE CIRCUIT THAT IT'S IN.
SO THAT'S $8,300 TO HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN GO OUT TO THE JAIL AND, UH, AND PULL THE CIRCUIT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO IT'S STILL A $68,000 SAVINGS, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN ELECTRICIAN, UM, OUT TO, UH, UPDATE THAT PLUG AND, UM, BE, AND THAT IS DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT THE NEW DISHWASHER PULLS.
SO WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED GOING TO THE LEASE.
SO THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR PREVIOUS NUMBERS.
BUT NOW WE JUST NEED TO ADD $8,300 OKAY.
SO THE LEASE IS GONNA COST US $16,100 THIS YEAR, AND THEN IT'LL COST US $7,800 NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO HOW MUCH ARE WE INCREASING IT? MORE? IT'S, IT WOULD BE $8,300 ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO THIS POINT.
SO THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND, IT'D BE ADDING $8,300 TO THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS FOR THE JAIL.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING.
WE'D BE ADDING $8,300 ADJUSTMENT TO THE MAINTENANCE ROOM, REPAIR OF THE JAIL KNOWING THAT THIS REPAIR IS NEEDED.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT THE $8,300 IN THE JAIL MAINTENANCE LINE ITEM.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STA SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
LET'S GET TO THE DA EXPANSION.
OH, WHY? BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THERE'S BIG NUMBERS THERE.
I HAVE SOME EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS BY PARK HILL.
WHAT THE COURT, UH, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS ONLY A COUPLE DAYS AGO, BUT IT PROBABLY FEELS LIKE A WEEK AGO.
UM, WE, UH, WE PRETTY MUCH SAID, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA GO IN HERE AND DO SOMETHING IN THE DA'S OFFICE, IT NEEDS TO BE ON PURPOSE AND PERMANENT.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A, A, A MAKESHIFT SOLUTION.
SO LET ME ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE THREE SHEETS OF PAPER YOU HAVE HERE.
THIS IS A SCHEMATIC BY, UM, PARK HILL.
THE FIRST PAGE IS WHAT YOU HAVE, THIS IS THE CURRENT AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, THE AUDITOR'S, THE, THE ACTUAL AUDITOR'S OLD OFFICE.
AND THIS IS THE BREAK ROOM THAT WAS IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
SO YOU'D WALK IN THIS DOOR AND YOU HAD ALL THE CUBICLES SET, SET UP HERE, AND YOU HAD THIS OFFICE, YOU HAD THE BREAK ROOM, AND THEN YOU HAD THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
THIS OVER HERE IS THE DA'S OFFICE, EXISTING DA'S OFFICE.
SO IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, THE RED LINES ARE WALLS THAT ARE BEING KIND OF REMOVED.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE WALLS AROUND THE WINDOWS ARE BEING REMOVED, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO I, SO WE'RE TAKING OUT A DOOR RIGHT HERE IN THE DA'S OFFICE, AND THEN WE'RE TAKING THIS WALL DOWN.
WE'RE TAKING THIS OFFICE OUT, AND WE'RE REMOVING THIS WALL.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE AUDITOR'S OLD OFFICE.
SO THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU END, THAT'S WHAT YOU END UP WITH.
YOU END UP WITH THE ROW OF OFFICES
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THAT IS JUST ATTACHED TO THE DA'S OFFICE.SO YOU COULD WALK DOWN THIS HALLWAY IN THE DA'S OFFICE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE OFFICES.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DOOR NOW TO GET IN THERE.
EXCEPT THROUGH THE DA'S OFFICE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE AUDITOR'S DOOR IS STAYING.
SO YOU COULD GET IN THIS WAY INTO THIS AREA.
UM, I'M GONNA HAVE THE DA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT SHE INTENDS TO DO WITH THIS SPACE.
UM, BUT THIS IS ALL PART OF WHAT PARK HILL WAS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO, WHICH IS MAXIMIZING OFFICE SPACE.
AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE, IF IT WERE TO EVER HAPPEN IS YOU WOULD BASICALLY TAKE THE WITNESS ROOM AND YOU WOULD JUST MAKE TWO ROWS OF OFFICES RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A BULLPEN CUBICLE SPACE TO THE NORTH.
SO THIS, UH, THIS GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PERMANENT AND WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.
UM, AND IT ISN'T THE FULL PROJECT.
AND THEN WE CAN GIVE THIS A BUDGET AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT YOU TO DO FOR THIS BUDGET.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A LINE ITEM SO WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT STARTED.
UM, TIMELINES, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THE THIRD FLOOR BOBBY WILL BE DONE BY JANUARY 1ST.
IT'LL BE DONE SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
THE, UH, THE ANNEX WILL BE DONE AT SOME POINT IN THE WORLD.
I'M TRYING TO GET AN ACTUAL FINAL DATE FOR THAT TO BE WRAPPED UP, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS THE ANNEX WILL BE WRAPPED UP.
THIS PROBABLY COULDN'T LOGICALLY START UNTIL SOMETIME AROUND THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMELINE.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THIS CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE GOING ON.
AND THE SHERIFF'S CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE FIVE CREWS WOULD BE MY POINT.
UM, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD, BARRY WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO HIS JOB A LITTLE BIT BETTER BY GOING BACK TO BEING A MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR AND NOT A PROJECT MANAGER.
LISA WOULDN'T HAVE SEVEN PROJECTS AND ME IN HER OFFICE EVERY WEEK ASKING HER FOR MORE MONEY.
AND SO FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN GO OUT FOR SOME SORT OF RFQ, SOME SORT OF RFP PROCESS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT PROCESS OUT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GET DRAWINGS, WE WOULD HAVE TO.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A LITTLE TIME EVEN TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED.
UM, WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE IT DONE IN THE SUMMER.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE, WE DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK BECAUSE WE'RE GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS.
AND YOU HAVE RF, QS, RFPS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE, THAT WE DO EVERYTHING AS LEGALLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THIS GIVES US A SPACE PLAN.
SO IT'LL PASS A DA COMPLIANCY, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SPACE PLAN.
AND THEN WE'RE LEAVING THE BREAK ROOM ALONE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO USE IT AS A FLEX SPACE.
AGAIN, I'M GONNA HAVE KENDA COME TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND.
UM, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN USE IT AS A WITNESS ROOM AND ALSO POTENTIALLY AS A MAKESHIFT CONFERENCE ROOM AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'LL, THEY'LL KIND OF HAVE IT SET UP FOR BOTH.
AND THEN NOT MESSING WITH THAT ROOM ALLOWS US TO KIND OF GET EVERYTHING DONE.
THAT IS, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 503RD.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A ROW OF OFFICES.
IT'S, IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 OFFICES AND A LITTLE STORAGE ROOM.
UM, YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH CLOSETS.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, TO, TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO CUBICLES FOR SOME OF THE CLERKS.
AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE MOVING FAMILY VIOLENCE DIVISION, UM, INTO THE SPACE.
UM, AND THEN THE FIVE OH THIRD WOULD KIND OF BACKFILL WHERE THE FAMILY VIOLENCE DIVISION, UM, WAS.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COHESIVE ROOM OF THE FAMILY VIOLENCE DIVISION WITH A WITNESS ROOM RIGHT THERE, WHICH AS WE KNOW, UM, IS SOME OF THE WORST THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.
UM, AND, UH, AND THEN IT'LL GIVE SOME OF THAT COHESION AND GIVE SPACE FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEES, UM, TO HAVE AN OFFICE SPACE.
UH, BUDGET WISE, WE DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FULLY DONE IT, BUT SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING AS MUCH REMODELING AND, AND WE'RE NOT DEMOING THE ENTIRE SPACE, AND WE'RE NOT REDOING ALL THE CEILING TILES, WE'RE WE, WE SEE A NUMBER COMING IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO 50 AND 300.
UM, BUT THE 300 BE PUTTING US AT ABOUT 250 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH WE DON'T THINK WE'LL NEED TO DO FINISHES THAT MUCH.
AND WE COULD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DROP THE FINISHES DOWN TO AROUND 200, MAYBE EVEN BELOW 200.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET A CONTRACTOR AND WE START MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT FINISHES WE WANT TO DO AND, AND WHAT SORT OF IMPACT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SET A BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN GO START A PROCESS TO SEE IF WE CAN BUILD IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 300 NUMBER CAME, IS THE TOP END OF A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
WE THINK WE CAN BEAT THAT NUMBER AND GIVE US WHAT, WHAT IS BEING NEEDED
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FOR THE NEW HIRES.SO THAT, SO WITH THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WELL, I KNOW THEY DREW IT, BUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE BUDGET THAT YOU JUST REFERRED TO? THAT'S PARK HILL'S BUDGET.
SO ITS PUTTING A PROVERBIAL HOLE IN THE WALL AND THEN BUILDING OFFICES.
UM, APPRECIATE THE WORK ON IT.
UM, I'M GONNA SHIFT THE DISCUSSION A LITTLE HERE.
WE'VE GOT THREE BIG LINE ITEMS WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED.
IS I, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT.
UM, INCREASED LEGAL SERVICES, UM, DA EXPANSION AND COUNTY SHERIFF.
AND JUST GUESSING AT THE LEGAL SERVICES.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE, BUT JUST GUESSING AT WHAT I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, WE HAD A WAY MY NUMBERS WORK.
IF WE WANT A $600,000 CONTINGENCY, WHICH WE ALL KIND OF SAID THIS MORNING, WE WANT, UM, BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I'M SORRY, THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS AND THE DA EXPANSION, WE GOTTA SAVE ABOUT $300,000.
JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS.
I HAVE A PLACE I'D LIKE TO SAVE THAT, BUT I, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO IT NOW.
I I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER, UM, HAVING THE DA'S OFFICE BE BACK IN THE COURTROOM, UM, AS OUR, UM, REPRESENTATIVE AND NOT HAVING WHO WE HAVE NOW.
AND I THINK THAT GETS US PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT DOLLAR OF SAVINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT'S GONNA BE RECEIVED AMONG THE COURT.
I I DON'T THINK IT GETS US THERE, BUT IT WOULD MAKE A BIG, BIG ADJUSTMENT.
WE'RE AT, IT WOULD MAKE A BIG ADJUSTMENT.
AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN BILLS FOR JULY OR AUGUST.
UH, I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T DISAGREE NECESSARILY WITH YOUR PROPOSAL, BUT AS FAR AS WILL THAT GET US THE MONEY WE NEED, I DON'T THINK IT WILL.
YOU SAID WE NEEDED TO SAVE 300 AND THAT'S FOR SURE TWO 50 AS OF RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THEY DO THAT'S NOT SITTING IN THAT CHAIR.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, UH, I'M EXCLUDING WORK WE'VE BEEN BILLED WITH FOR OTHER THINGS BESIDES THIS.
I'VE ALREADY EXCLUDED THAT FROM THAT NUMBER.
SO YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION IF THE DA AND CIVIL DEPARTMENT WOULD BE OPEN TO IT WOULD BE HAVE THEM BE COR CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE KIND OF CLEARED SOME OF OUR BIGGER HURDLES.
WE HAVE REPRESENTATION FOR OTHER SPECIALIZED THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET IN THE COURTROOM AND SAVE US MONEY.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD CHANGE.
IN FACT, IT MAY GET BETTER IN THE COURTROOM.
THAT, THAT IT WILL SAVE US MONEY.
IT, I, I'LL, I'LL GET AND SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND RUN NUMBERS.
IT WON'T SAVE US 300,000 BUCKS.
IS THERE A WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'VE BEEN BILLED FOR IN THE, FOR THEM TO BE IN HERE AS OUR, UH, ATTORNEY DURING COURT AND EXECUTIVES? I DON'T HAVE ALL THEIR BILLS WITH ME.
UH, SO, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE JULY AND AUGUST.
WE, AND MOST OF JUNE, BECAUSE THEY ONLY BILLED US THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF JUNE.
SO TO DATE, YOU'VE PAID THAT LAW FIRM.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL TIME FOR JUST BEING IN THE ROOM ISN'T, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $2,800 PER, AND AND I REALIZE IT VARIES DEPENDING ON HOW LONG COURT GOES, BUT I'M REMEMBERING IT BEING ABOUT 2,800 PER PER COURT TO BE HERE.
I I, I HAVE, I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION, JUDGE, TO, I'M SORRY.
IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND WE HAVE 24 MEETINGS A YEAR, IT'S $67,000.
UM, I, AGAIN, DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE PRINCIPLE.
I JUST DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAVINGS YOU'RE EXPECTING THERE.
BUT A GOOD TIME TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
UM, IT'S STILL SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER DOING HERE, REGARDLESS OF IF IT GETS US A D EXPANSION.
I MEAN, THE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE IN MY SPREADSHEET SEEM TO BE LARGER THAN THAT.
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AND THAT WAS TAKING OFF.WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH LATER TO DISCUSS WAS TAKING OFF.
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE LOTS OF TIME AND THAT WAS TAKING OFF, UM, WHATEVER THEY'VE CHARGED US FOR SPECIAL SEATS.
LAUREN, ARE YOU SITTING DOWN? WHAT? ARE WE FINDING MONEY OR ARE WE SPENDING MONEY? I JUST SAY WE TAKE IT.
I, I'D SAY WE TAKE IT OUT A FUND BALANCE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, IF YOU WERE SITTING DOWN, YOU WOULD GET THE FUND BALANCE UP TO AROUND 1.4 IN THAT RANGE IN REGARDS TO THE LE LEGAL OR WHAT DO YOU OKAY.
NO, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DA MM-HMM
SO I'M SAYING WE'LL COME BACK TO THE DA.
WE'RE AT 1.1 IN THE FUND BALANCE.
300,000 OR TWO 50 WOULD PUT US AT ABOUT 1.3.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S A A, A VERY LOGICAL PLACE FOR A ONE-TIME EX EXPENSE.
WHY RAISE TAXES WHEN WE HAVE THE MONEY IN SAVINGS? LISA, I'D LIKE TO GET FROM YOU AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TODAY 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE DECISIONS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET FROM YOU BEFORE I RESPOND TO THAT.
A, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE WILL BE, UM, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO.
WE TALKED ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
WHAT? I THINK WE WERE ABOUT FIVE.
SO EVERYBODY FELT COMFORTABLE.
UM, I DO HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING IT FROM FUND BALANCE, UM, IF I'M GONNA APPROACH, UH, YOU MAY APPROACH.
I FEEL LIKE A JUDGE
THIS IS MY PROJECT ESTIMATE FORM.
AND I WAS WORKING ON IT YESTERDAY TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT IN ALL OF OUR SPECIAL FUNDS.
AND IF YOU LOOK, I DON'T NEED THE FULL 700,000 BECAUSE INTEREST, ARPA INTEREST, UH, GAINED ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO I'M NOT GOING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED QUITE AS MUCH FOR YOUR SHERIFF OFFICE REMODEL.
SO YOU PROBABLY COULD USE, UH, THIS AND ANY OWNERS AND CONTINGENCY THAT'S REMAINING FROM THIS PROJECT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY COVER YOUR DA EXPANSION.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY ESTIMATION.
SO WE COULD KEEP THE FUND BALANCE THE SAME AND JUST PUT A LINE ITEM FOR THE DA, THE DA'S EXPANSION IN THE BUDGET, HOW MUCH MORE OWNER CONTINGENCY WE HAVE IN THE ANNEX PROJECT.
I THINK WE'RE, THAT THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE GONNA END AT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
BUT I, I AM WAITING ON THREE PIECES OF INFORMATION FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO INTELLIGENTLY TELL YOU THAT.
WE, WE ARE OFFICIALLY AT ONE 90.
AND, AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME REMAINING FROM THE THIRD FLOOR PROJECT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK YOU COULD PUT YOUR DA EXPANSION DOWN AS A PROJECT.
WE CAN FUND IT SAYING THAT WE'D POSSIBLY USE FUND BALANCE.
BUT I WOULDN'T PULL IT INTO THE PROJECT UNLESS YOU IT WAS NECESSARY.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA USE FUND BALANCE AND THEN YOU WON'T EVEN USE IT BECAUSE YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH.
BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PINPOINT WHERE YOUR MONEY IS WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS GOING ON AT ONCE.
YOU'RE MAKING SAVINGS, YOU'RE DOING CHANGE ORDERS THERE.
THERE'S JUST UNTIL THAT OFFICIAL ORDER IS DONE AND THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE AND YEAH, IT, IT, IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT.
SO THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING, BECAUSE I LIKE TO MUDDY THE WATERS, 'CAUSE LAUREN'S MY BEST FRIEND AND HE, HE LIKES TO HAVE A LITTLE ANNOYING LITTLE BROTHER NEXT TO HIM.
ANNOYING HIM IS WE NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY FOR PARK HILL.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE TWO FOUR, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE FULL 2 44.
I TALKED TO SAL, HE CAN BREAK THESE PROJECTS UP.
BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE, I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT PROGRAMMING THE DA'S OFFICE HAS NOT BEEN PAID FOR, THE DRAWINGS HAVE NOT BEEN PAID FOR.
SOME OF THAT ARCHITECTURAL SOFT COST HASN'T.
SO I THINK IT WOULD AT LEAST BE SMART PROBABLY IF WE'RE AT 1.1 TO MAYBE TAKE THE FUND BALANCE TO 1.2 OR 1.25 AND THEN, UM, HAVE PARK HILL IN THERE
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SO THAT WE COULD FINISH AS MUCH PROGRAMMING AS POSSIBLE.SO BECAUSE THE 2 44 IS LIKE FIVE PROJECTS AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, BUT THE DA'S OFFICE IS ONLY ONE OF THOSE.
SO FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, WE COULD PUT A LINE ITEM WITH THE DA EXPANSION OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO KEEP A LINE ITEM AND THEN LOOK FOR FUND BALANCE TO THAT.
I HAVE GOOD ONES EVERY NOW AND THEN.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER, WELL THO THOSE, TO BE HONEST, AREN'T JUST OUR DECISIONS.
KEN HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THOSE DECISIONS AS WELL.
AND I WOULD THINK CRAIG AND DERY HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THOSE DECISIONS AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT ABSOLUTELY.
NO, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THAT LIMITED, LIMITED SCOPE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
BUT, BUT I HAVE, I'VE DONE SOME SIMILAR NUMBERS, NOT EXACTLY TO, UM, COMMISSIONER GALANES, BUT I DO THINK THAT, THAT THERE IS MORE THAN 200,000 THAT CAN BE SAVED.
AND IT, AND IT COULD POSSIBLY BE CLOSER TO TWO 50, SO NOT 300 AS YOU SAID, BUT, WELL, THAT MAKES ME HAPPY BECAUSE IF WE MOVE THE DA'S EXPANSION OUT AND THEN POTENTIALLY DO A VERY MINOR SWELL FOR PARK HILL OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE, THEN THAT GETS THIS TO 300,000 EVEN WITH THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, THAT PUTS OUR CONTINGENCY BACK TO WHERE WE ARE COMFORTABLE AT 600,000 WITH THE POTENTIAL TO SAVE MONEY AND BRING IT DOWN.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT THE VOTER APPROVE RATE.
I'M JUST SAYING Y'ALL, IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS, BUT Y'ALL, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
UM, BUT, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AS DISRESPECTFUL AS IT SOUNDS, BUT I APOLOGIZE IF IT SOUND DISRESPECTFUL.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DANA, ABOUT SAVING LEGAL FEES.
BUT I, LET, LET ME DRAW AN ANALOGY.
I TRUST BOBBY GOANA ON CARS AND FLEET MANAGEMENT.
YOU'RE NOT SAVING $300,000, PROBABLY NOT SAVING $250,000.
HE GOT CRAIG STODDARD, WHO I LOVE, WHO I WORK WITH ALL THE TIME.
WHO, BY THE WAY, HE'S PRETTY BUSY, ISN'T HE? KINDA, YEAH, HE'S PRETTY BUSY.
SO IF YOU TRY TO SAY, CRAIG, YOU DO EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, UM, DANIEL RAY DOES, FIRST OF ALL, I DOUBT HE COULD DO IT.
'CAUSE WE WORK WITH ARNOLD, WE WORK WITH ANOTHER GUY IN DANIEL'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
SECONDLY, KENDALL WILL SHOW UP AND SAY, HEY, I NEED A NEW ATTORNEY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO THE WORK.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE.
IF HE'S, IF IF WE, I, I GOTTA, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT.
I DON'T THINK HE'S CHARGING US ANYWHERE NEAR $300,000 FOR SITTING IN THIS COURTROOM.
AND SO IF ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO HAVE CRAIG SIT THERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAVE ANYWHERE NEAR $300,000.
WELL, IT'S NOT JUST SITTING HERE.
IT'S ALSO ALL OF THE OTHER ADVICE THAT WE COULD BE GOING TO CRAIG WITH FIRST BEFORE PICKING UP THE PHONE.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T MEAN JUST SITTING IN HERE, I MEAN ACTING AS OUR ATTORNEY UNLESS WE NEED SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE, WHICH WE HAVE FOR, I BELIEVE ALL THE MAJOR THINGS WE'RE GONNA NEED IT FOR IN ADDITION, HOW ARE WE DOING IT BEFORE THEN, NOT VERY LONG AGO.
WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN HAS THE SCOPE CHANGED? BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA KEEP THEM BUSY OR WITH SPECIALIZED ATTORNEYS.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED SO DRASTICALLY ALL OF A SUDDEN FROM TWO YEARS AGO? WHAT HAS CHANGED SO DRASTICALLY? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO PRACTICE LAW.
I KNOW YOU DO, BUT CRAIG WAS IN THIS ROOM, I DONE IT TWO YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WITH, I'M WORKING WITH, UH, DANIEL RAY ON SOME PROJECTS IN PARAGRAPH, HE'S PRECINCT FOUR.
EVERY CHANCE I GET TO TRY AND SOLVE OTHER PROBLEMS. AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU GUYS, YOU'LL SAVE SOME MONEY.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PRINCIPLE, BUT DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SAVE $300,000 OR $250,000.
I I, I AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.
UM, BUT SAVE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE SAVING 60,
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IT'S STILL 60.WE, WE'VE GOT PLACES TO SPEND IT.
WE WILL CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION LATER.
LET'S QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY SHERIFF COMMUNICATION OFFICER.
I THINK I INTERPRETED YOU TO SAY COMMISSIONER STACEY, TO MOVE THAT TO 200,000, LEAVE THE HEADCOUNT THERE.
DID, DID I, DID I DRAW TOO MUCH? NO, EXTRAPOLATE TOO MUCH FROM YOUR QUICK MATH OF SAYING IT'S 300 TO TWO.
I I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
I, WHAT WHAT I, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT THE RAISES ARE IMPORTANT AND ONE PERSON IS IMPORTANT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
BUT MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS WE GIVE THEM THE RAISES.
WE GIVE THEM ONE COMMUNICATION OFFICER AND THEN UN FUND ONE COMMUNICATION OFFICER.
SO WE INCREASE IT BY TWO ON THE HEADCOUNT FUND ONE OF THEM, AND THEN DO THE RAISES.
SO ONE $78,000 ROUGHLY, UH, AT THE NEW PAY SCALES, ABOUT 78,000.
AND THEN IT WAS ABOUT 90 SOMETHING FOR THAT.
AND THAT PUTS US $70,000 SHORT OF THE VOTER APPROVED RATE.
MAY I ASK SOMETHING? I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF GIVING AN EMPLOYEE AND NOT FUNDING IT? WHAT, WHAT BENEFIT IS THAT TO ANY DEPARTMENT OR THE COUNTY? SORRY.
I MEAN THIS IS REALLY NO, THAT'S REALLY QUESTION IS TRUE QUESTION.
THAT'S, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
I'M JUST THINKING
HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE'S THE POINT.
IT TAKES A WHILE TO HIRE A COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TOWARDS THE END OF THE BUDGET, THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY TO FUND THAT SECOND POSITION.
THEN YOU COULD HIRE SOMEONE BEFORE THE BUDGET FLIPS OVER.
DOES THIS HAVE TO BE FUNDED OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS? NO.
I'M SAYING BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA MONEY INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, WELL, THERE'S OPEN POSITIONS NOW HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO FILL THOSE OPEN POSITIONS? YEAH.
I AND THEN, AND THEN YOU CAN GET TO WHERE THAT PERSONNEL, UH, LINE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE MONEY.
THE TWO OPEN ONES WHERE WE'VE ALREADY FUNDED.
SO THAT IS JUST ESSENTIALLY OUR, OUR BANK ACCOUNTS FILLING UP FOR THOSE POSITIONS.
AND SO WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL THAT IF THE MONEY IS THERE, THEY COULD FILL THE POSITION RATHER THAN US JUST PUTTING ANOTHER $80,000 INTO THAT POSITION.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IF THERE'S NOT MONEY AND WE LEAVE THAT UNFUNDED AND THE BUDGET GOES THROUGH AND THERE'S NOT MONEY FOR THAT POSITION, DOES, IS THIS A POSITION THAT HAS TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? IS THIS A POSITION THAT ANY OF OUR SPECIAL TAX FUNDS CAN FUND? IF WE NEED TO LATER, HAVE I ALREADY ASKED YOU IF FUND 51 CAN FUND A DISPATCH? I THINK SOMEONE ASKED US THAT.
WHAT ABOUT SB 22 MONEY? EITHER OR, UH, 51.
Y'ALL ARE GETTING PRETTY TIGHT ON 51 ALREADY.
YOU'RE LEAVING POSSIBLY $200,000 IN FUND BALANCE.
SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO HOPE THAT IT CONTINUES TO REGROW TO SUPPORT YOUR FIRE MARSHAL.
SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON THAT ONE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT SB 22? DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? MELISSA DID LOOK IT UP.
IT LOOKS LIKE DISPATCHERS, UH, IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A COUNTY JAILER.
IF THE DISPATCHER OR CONTROL ROOM OPERATOR MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A COUNTY JAILER, THEN THEY QUALIFY.
SO A PERSON MUST BE EMPLOYED BY THE SHERIFF AS A LICENSED COUNTY JAILER.
AND I DON'T THINK HIS DISPATCH NO, THE COMMUNICATION, YEAH.
THE SHERIFF'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM SAYING NO, OUR, OUR DISPATCH WOULDN'T COUNT.
WELL THAT SAVES YOU JUDGE FROM HAVING THE, THE PERSONNEL MATH IN SPEECH 22.
I'M GONNA HAVE EVERYBODY STAND THERE AND WATCH ME DO THAT.
SO LISA, YOU SAID THAT THE FUND 51 IS GETTING LOW.
UM, I WROTE DOWN ONE TIME DURING THIS PROCESS THAT WE HAD ABOUT 1.4 LEFT IN IT.
HAS THAT, HAVE WE BEEN TAKING OUT SOME OTHERS THAT I JUST DIDN'T? YES, WE HAVE.
SO IF, UH, SO NOW, UH, YOU IN THE, UH, THE BUDGET THAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT FOR, UH, TUESDAY'S ADOPTION, YOU'RE USING
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1.2 MILLION FUND BALANCE.TO PAY FOR ALL OF YOUR EXPENSES, YOU HAVE CURRENTLY A $1.4 MILLION FUND BALANCE.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I CAN THINK OF CREATIVELY, THERE IS A COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND THAT IS A FUND 59 THAT IF THE SHERIFF WANTED TO MOVE ONE EMPLOYEE OR TWO EMPLOYEES TO THAT FUND SO THAT YOU COULD PAY FOR THE GENERAL FUND MORE FOR HIS DIS I MEAN YOU COULDN'T PAY FOR THE DISPATCHER OUTTA THERE, BUT YOU'D HAVE, WE USED TO PAY FOR HIS, THE GUYS THAT WERE DOWNSTAIRS, HIS ACTUAL DEPUTIES OUT OF IT, BUT THAT FUND CAN'T SUPPORT ALL OF THEM.
HOW MUCH IS IN THAT FUND? 321,000.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL HERE, BUT I MEAN, YOU WOULD BE JUGGLING, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LATE IN THE GAME TO TRY TO JUGGLE THAT THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S MAYBE AN OPTION YOU CAN THINK ABOUT.
LIKE IT, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT SHERIFF? I DUNNO IF I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, PAYING SOME OF THE COURTHOUSE DEPUTIES WITH FUND 58 59.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND THAT UH, IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR METAL DETECTORS, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT TYPE THINGS OR YOUR OFFICERS DOWNSTAIRS.
UH, WE MAYBE TAKE AN OFFICER SALARY FROM MAYBE LIKE YOUR SERGEANT SALARY, CHARGE IT TO THAT FUND AND THEN THAT OPENS UP THE AVAILABILITY OF HIS SALARY FROM YOUR OPERATING BUDGET THAT THEY COULD PAY FOR A DISPATCHER OUT OF THAT.
AND THERE'S CURRENTLY NO ONE FUNDED OUTTA THAT OUTTA 59? NO.
IT USED TO BE BACK WHEN EVANSON WAS THE SHERIFF, BUT THE FUND COULDN'T SUPPORT ALL OF THE GUYS DOWN THERE.
I THINK WE CHARGED, WE CAN WE CHARGE TRAINING FOR YOUR GUYS TO IT UNIFORMS, THINGS LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I CAN, I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S ONE WAY THEY COULD, YOU COULD GET ANOTHER DISPATCHER AND YOU JUST MOVE ONE EXPENSE FROM YOUR BUDGET TO ANOTHER FUND AND THEN THEY CAN USE WHAT'S REMAINING.
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, I MEAN IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST IDEA.
I MEAN, IT, IT IT BUDGET AT A TIME.
ONE BUDGET COMMISSIONER ALANA SAID ONE BUDGET AT A TIME.
IT'S ALL I'M FIGHT FIGHT THE, FIGHT THE BATTLE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THERE'S NO MOTIONS WE'RE MAKING ON, I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT TO WRAP UP.
THERE'S NO MOTIONS WE'RE MAKING ON THE CLERKS OR THE SCALES OR THE NO.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? TU TUESDAY? WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, NOW WE HAVE TIME PAST TUESDAY, BUT I'M GONNA DRAW A LINE AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS TUESDAY.
WE WILL HAVE OUR LEGAL SERVICES DATA.
WE, WE, WE KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY SORT OF STANDS ON THE CLERKS.
WE KNOW, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE WITH THE DA AND, AND THE DISPATCH.
CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE CLERK, UH, QUICKLY? YEP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT I DID OFFER TO USE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS TO PAY FOR ANY INCREASE FOR MY STAFF, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW MONEY TO BE USED FOR THE OTHER CLERKS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO BE INCREASED.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M WILLING TO DO THAT MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT.
[5. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]
UH, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS ANYTHING.
SO WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SIX AND AT EXACTLY FOUR O'CLOCK WE'RE ADJOURNED.