Sep 16, 2025 Commissioners Court Special Meeting

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS

[1. PUBLIC FORUM]

IS GONNA BRING US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM.

IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.

ONE PERSON IS SIGNED UP, MR. BOB WACKER, IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND ADJUST IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.

FANCY BOB WACKER, 3 0 9 FEATHERSTONE DRIVE.

AM I IN THE CONE OF SILENCE HERE, OR ? UH, I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT AS WELL PREPARED AS I USUALLY AM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY A LOT, UH, AND ACTUALLY THE ISD AS WELL.

BUT, UH, NUMBER ONE, I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOU SET A RATE, A TAX RATE AT THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING, AND YOU SET IT BELOW THE CURRENT TAX RATE.

YOU GAVE YOURSELVES NO OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER NEEDING MORE REVENUE OR, UH, HIGHER TAX RATES, UH, EVEN BELOW THE VOTER SO THAT YOU COULD JUST PASS YOURSELF.

SO I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD HANDCUFF YOURSELVES BY SETTING IT LOWER THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE, NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT THE FINAL BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UH, THE CITY REALIZED LAST NIGHT THAT, UH, THE BUCK STOPS HERE.

THEY KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ENOUGH.

THEY HAD TO FINALLY RAISE TAXES BECAUSE ONE REASON.

AND EVEN WITH THE BUDGET RAISING TAXES A PENNY, NO NEW PERSONNEL FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE CITY OF ROCKWELL SINCE 2008.

THAT'S HOW TOUGH THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW FOR MARY AND THE CITY OF ROCKWELL.

THEY'RE UNDER THE GUN AND THEY'RE NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT, BUT THEY, THEY HAD TO RAISE IT A PENNY.

AND THE PEOPLE LAST NIGHT THERE, INCLUDING DEVELOPERS, EVERYBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THAT 'CAUSE WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING FOR IT.

WE NEED OUR, UH, THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET A RAISE.

NOT JUST 2%, BUT MAYBE 5% THIS YEAR.

OTHERWISE IT WOULD'VE BEEN 2% OR LESS.

UH, THE ISD IS VADER.

THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER BALL WAX 4 CENTS.

BUT THAT'S CRAZY.

SO YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES YOU'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE THE HEROES COMING DOWN.

THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE COME DOWN IN TAX RATE, TO ME, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE MISTAKE.

I'M SORRY, I JUST, YOU'RE GONNA NEED REVENUE AND A BUCK'S GONNA HIT YOU NEXT YEAR OR FOR SURE THE YEAR AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THINGS ARE GONNA NOT BE THE SAME.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

YOU HAVE TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT MONEY.

AND TO SET THE RATE FOR THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING IS, TO ME, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I LOOK AT THAT AND I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA FUND NEW DEBT.

YOU HAD BONDS, YOU HAD MONEY ASSIGNED TEXAS, THE CONSORTIUM IS, IS DEBT IN A WATER.

UH, THERE'S NO DEBT BEING ISSUED, UH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD COST YOU MONEY AND IT WOULDN'T BE IN YOUR BUDGET, AND YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING LOWER THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AND I'VE SEEN THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING, AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE SAID, YES, BOB, YOU'VE BEEN TELLING US FOR YEARS THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN.

AND IT'S HAPPENING THIS YEAR AT THE CITY AND THE ISD.

OKAY? THE VOTE LAST NIGHT WAS CLOSED FOUR TO THREE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.

THEY WERE NEW TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TAX RATES, AND THEY MADE A PROMISE TO VOTERS, WE WILL NOT RAISE YOUR TAX RATE.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE WILL NOT GIVE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES AND FIRST RESPONDERS THE RAISE THEY NEED EITHER.

SO THERE WAS A CONFLICT THERE, BUT THEY DECIDED WE'RE NOT GONNA RAISE TAXES, AND THEY WERE VOTED DOWN FOUR TO THREE.

I WOULD HOPE YOU DO THE SAME THING HERE, BUT IT'S TOO LATE.

YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT RATE BECAUSE YOU SAID

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AT THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UH, I HOPE THINGS TURN OUT THIS YEAR.

I HOPE YOUR BUDGET COMES TRUE AND YOU CAN MEET ALL YOUR FINANCES AND STUFF AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO RUN THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU, BOB.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS? ALL

[2. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the proposed FY2026 Budget for Rockwall County, and all related issues; https://rockwallcountytexas.com/ ]

BRINGS US INTO AGENDA ITEM THREE, PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED 2025 TAX RATE, WHICH IS PHYSICAL YEAR 2026 FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION TO THE PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED FY 2026 BUDGET FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OKAY, HEARING NO FURTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL SUSPEND THE PUBLIC HEARING PER THE COURT'S ACTION AT SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING, WHICH WAS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, THE 18TH, 19TH, AND 23RD.

WE WILL RESUME THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 18TH.

THIS

[3. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the proposed 2025 Tax Rate (Fiscal Year 2026) for Rockwall County, and all related issues; https://rockwallcountytexas.com/ ]

IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR, PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY CLERK'S ARCHIVE PLAN, FFY 2026 FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S, RECORDS, ARCHIVES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SEEING NO ONE, UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL SUSPEND THE PUBLIC HEARING PER THE COURT'S ACTION ON SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING, WHICH WAS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO TODAY THE 18TH, 19TH, AND 23RD.

WE WILL RESUME THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 18TH.

[4. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the County Clerk's Archive Plan FY2026 for the Preservation and Restoration of the County Clerk's Records Archives, and all related issues; ]

IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW.

THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY BUDGET FOR FY 2026 AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SEEING NO ONE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL SUSPEND THE PUBLIC HEARING PER THE COURT'S ACTION AT THE SEPTEMBER NINE MEETING, WHICH WAS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO TODAY THE 18TH, 19TH, AND 23RD.

WE WILL RESUME THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 18TH.

[5. Discuss/Act on adopting the Rockwall County Budget for FY2026 and take record vote, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor) ]

AND I BET WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

WE DO, AND I WILL HAPPY TO START IT.

FIRE AWAY, COMMISSIONER.

SO WE ALL GOT THIS SHEET FROM THE AUDITOR.

WE ACTUALLY GOT THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

WE GOT AN UPDATED ONE TODAY, BUT IT'S THE SAME SHEET.

SO I'M WORKING OFF THIS AND WHAT I WANNA DO IS SET A BASE THAT I THINK WE, WE, WE SHOULD ALL AGREE TO.

UM, I I'M GONNA LEAVE A COUPLE ITEMS WITHOUT DEALING WITH THEM, BUT I'M GONNA TRY AND SET US A BASE OF A PLACE WHERE I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE ARE.

AND SO HERE'S WHAT I AM GOING TO PROPOSE.

I'LL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU FIRST AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY MOTION.

HAD WITH A $600,000 CONTINGENCY.

WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, ISSUES REGARDING OUR LEGAL SERVICES AND THE LEGAL EXPENSES WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW.

UH, WE'VE GOT UPDATED INFORMATION ON THAT, AND I AM GOING TO MAKE A PROPOSAL WE HAVE ON THAT.

I DON'T SEE THIS REALLY AS AN OPTION UNLESS WE WANTED TO TAKE THE APPROACH.

COMMISSIONER, UH, GALA SUGGESTED LAST, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND FOR LEGAL SERVICES BECAUSE WE'RE FACING LITIGATION AS EVERYBODY KNOWS.

UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER MOTION I'M GONNA MAKE IS, UH, REGARDING OUR CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, I THINK 6 23 6 OR 6 32, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WHICH WE DID 6 32, WE'VE DID 6 32 I THINK.

SO, WHICH WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED WAS, UH, WE ALL FELT COMFORTABLE IN GENERAL AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WE

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SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS IN MIND, I AM GOING TO, AND, AND AGAIN, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M DOING HERE, IS TRYING TO SET A BASE.

ANYTHING WE DO AFTER THAT WILL HAVE TO WORK AGAINST THAT BASE.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT I LINE ITEM 4 0 9 3 ON THE, UH, THREE ON THE BUDGET SUMMARY SHEET HERE, 404 0 9 IN YOUR THICK BUDGET THAT WE INCREASE, WE CHANGED THE 425,000 TO $355,000.

AND THAT IS BASED UPON INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR COUNCIL, UH, AND TO ESTIMATE THAT.

SO, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SECONDLY MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE OUR CONTINGENCY TO $600,000 FROM 6 32 BY DOING THOSE TWO THINGS.

WE HAVE GIVEN OURSELVES ANOTHER $70,000 FROM THE CHANGE TO LEGAL SERVICES AND ANOTHER $32,000 HERE BY CHANGING THE CONTINGENCY.

SO WE ARE NOW, OUR NET EFFECT ON CONTINGENCY WOULD NOT BE NEGATIVE 75,000.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, BE POSITIVE ABOUT 27,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER.

BUT, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.

SO WE HAVE A COMPOUND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY TO REDUCE LEGAL TO 3 55 AND REDUCE CONTINGENCY TO 600 TO REDUCE THE INCREASE IN LEGAL SERVICES TO 3 55, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

NOW, UH, DISCUSSION.

GO, GO AHEAD.

I DO YOU WANT TO, I THINK WE ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO EVERY EVERY, EVERYBODY JUST, WE'RE ALL GOING GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD, GO FOR IT.

UM, I, UH, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH, WITH THE MOTION.

UM, I, I HAVE SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH SETTING THE CONTINGENCY.

I, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO, BUT ALSO AS WE GO THROUGH AND TINKER WITH THIS, THE CONTINGENCY IS GOING TO KIND OF SPURRED OUT ANYWAY.

WELL, AND AND THIS IS, I'LL RESPOND.

CAN YOU RESPOND, THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY, I WANNA SET A BASE, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY AND WE ALL SAID WE THOUGHT 600,000 WAS AN ADEQUATE CONTINGENCY, UM, WHAT, BY MAKING THIS MOTION NOW, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST THREE ITEMS WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE NET EFFECT, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES THERE, WE NEED TO FIND WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM.

AND, AND I DON'T DO THIS TO TRAP ANYONE.

THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

I JUST VIEW THESE TWO ITEMS. LEGAL SERVICES I THINK WE HAVE TO DO.

AND THE CONTINGENCY CHANGE, I THINK WE CAN DO.

SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY I WANT TO SET A BASE ANY FURTHER CHANGES, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GONNA INCREASE IT, WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM.

AND THAT'S WHY I, I AGREE IN PRINCIPLE WITH, WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN MY INTENTION THE ENTIRE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT CONTINGENCY NEVER DROPS BELOW 600 IN ANY OF THE ITERATIONS I'VE SET AND DONE IN EXCEL, IN MY OFFICE.

UM, AND, UH, AND, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING THAT BASELINE ON, ON THE LAWSUITS.

'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE BEING SUED.

WE'RE NOT SUING ANYBODY.

AND IT'S OUR JOB TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE OF ROCKWALL COUNTY AGAINST THAT SUIT.

SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE, BOBBY? UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T HAVE A BIG DISAGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I, I GET THAT THAT HELPS US KIND OF MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THOSE TWO POSITIONS.

I, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T LOVE THE AMOUNT OF LEGAL EXPENSES WE HAVE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE BEEN SUED, AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, BUT WE, WE STILL NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND, UM, AND MAN, THAT IT'S, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE CONCERNING TO START SAYING THINGS LIKE, WELL, WE'VE GOT OUR LEGAL EXPENSES AND SO WE CAN'T DO SOME OTHER THINGS.

AND, AND THEN HOW MUCH FARTHER DOES THAT GO AS WE GO DOWN THIS LEGAL PATH? I HOPE NOT VERY MUCH FARTHER.

UM, I, I, I AGREE.

IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

THE COUNTY CLERK ON SOME OF HER FUNDS AND ABILITY TO GET YEAH.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP OFF INTO THE, THE DITCH TO DISCUSS THOSE LAWSUITS.

WE DON'T EITHER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE MUCH CHOICE.

I STILL AM AFTER SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THE TOP THOUGH, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S STILL A PATH TO, UM, TO ACHIEVE THOSE.

UM, WE HAVEN'T STARTED TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THESE FUNDS OR WHAT, UH, OUR, MY CONVERSATION WAS WITH

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WHERE WE'RE GOING.

SO I THINK WE CAN STILL FIND THE MONEY.

SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH WHERE YOU'RE AT AND, AND I RECOGNIZE WE WOULD BE DOING THAT.

AND THEN I'M NOT TRYING TO AVOID ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF AT THAT SHORT END OF THE BUDGET PROJECT RIGHT NOW.

COMMISSIONER M**K, UM, I AM GONNA SUPPORT ALSO WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE WHAT YOU'VE RECOMMENDED.

I I, I STILL HAVE, I I, I DON'T KNOW.

I STILL HAVE CONCERNS THAT THE LEGAL SERVICES BRINGING 'EM DOWN TO WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT'S THE, DO I, I KNOW.

DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER LATI, I KNOW THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS, SO I, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR LEGAL ALL, ALL, ALL OVER NOT JUST FOR, UH, THE LAWSUIT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE THE LEGAL AND THAT AMOUNT IS ALSO TA IS, IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT FOR OUR, OUR CURRENT LEGAL SERVICES THAT WE HAVE HERE ON THE COURT, RIGHT? OR IS THAT JUST WE, WE HAD BUDGETED 300 IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET PACKAGE, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT WAS 300, RIGHT? JUDGE? MM-HMM .

SO THIS, THEN IT WOULD INCREASE THAT LEGAL BUDGET TO 6 55.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS, AND AS I TOLD COMMISSIONER GLAN IN THAT MEETING, I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO SAVE LEGAL FEES.

AND IF WE CAN DO THAT BY ADJUSTING WHO SITS IN THAT CHAIR DURING OUR MEETINGS OR OTHER THINGS, I'M OPEN TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WE'LL BE COMMIT TO EACH OF YOU THAT I WILL HELP WORK TO FIND THAT SOLUTION.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BUDGET.

AND RIGHT NOW WE GOT WHAT WE'VE GOT.

AGREED.

SO, UH, I JUST NEED TO A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, HELP MY MEMORY.

'CAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I'M, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A TORNADO OF BUDGET PAPERWORK THAT, THAT I'M TRYING TO WORK ON.

SO REDUCING FROM 4 25 TO 3 55, WAS THAT OUR MOST RECENT PRICING EXERCISE WHERE WE HAD OUR LAW FIRMS REDUCE DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS? YES.

THAT'S BASED UPON, UH, AN A REVISED BUDGET THAT WAS SENT BY ARNOLD AT OUR, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE FIRM? SU NO, NOT SUSTER, UM, DANIEL RAY'S FIRM, WHATEVER THE NAME OF IT IS.

BUT ARNOLD AT DANIEL RAY'S FIRM WENT THROUGH AND REDID THAT, AND I THINK I, I THINK FELICIA SENT THAT TO EVERYBODY.

AND I SENT, UH, WITHOUT GOING INTO ALL THE DETAILS, UM, THE NUMBER THAT, THAT IS BASED UPON, UH, FOR FY 25, 26, ARNOLD CONFIRMED TO ME IN AN EMAIL.

GOT GOT IT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A REDUCTION IN LEGAL SERVICES.

THIS IS JUST A REDUCTION IN DUPLICATION OF, OF LEGAL SERVICES.

UM, YEAH.

SO I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE, UH, NOT GIVEN UP ON DRIVING THE TAX RATE FURTHER DOWN.

UM, SO JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S MY SHOT ACROSS THE BOW.

WHILE, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING, I'M, I'M GONNA STAY FOCUSED ON THAT RATE.

THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ANYONE.

UH, SO ARE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, IF NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICK DE WE HAD THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

SO WE'VE SET THE BASE OF THE CONTINGENCY AT 600 AND THE, THE ADDITIONAL LEGAL TO HANDLE THE, THE TWO LAWSUITS WHERE WE WERE SUED AT 3 55.

AND, AND COMMISSIONER STACY IS CORRECT.

THAT CONTINGENCY WILL CONTINUE AS WE FIND SAVINGS.

IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY LANDS IN CONTINGENCY.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, CONTINUALLY GO BACK THERE AND PULL THAT MONEY OUT AND, AND ALLOCATE IT, UH, ELSEWHERE.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

WHO, WELL, I, I LIKED WHERE BOBBY WAS GOING.

LET'S HEAR IT, MAN.

WHERE, WHERE WAS BOBBY GOING? TRYING TO FIND SOME MONEY.

RANGE AT 5.7%, UM, AND TO, UH, CHANGE ALL CLERKS TO PAY GRADE TWO OUT OF THE FUND.

UM, WE HAVE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, ABOUT $1.8 MILLION IN OUR COUNTY CLERK ARCHIVAL FEE FUND MM-HMM .

UM, THAT CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THAT OFFICE.

AND WHAT I AM PROPOSING TO DO, AND THIS IS AFTER TALKING TO, UM, COUNTY CLERK FOG, IS THAT WE, UM, WE PULL ENOUGH MONEY TO GET TO THE PAY

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I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T DISPERSE THAT MONEY TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE CAN OFFSET HER DEPARTMENT IN WHICH HELPS US IN THE OVERALL BUDGET.

UM, SO WHATEVER MONEY THAT IS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS AT THE TOP, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ITEM AND THE THIRD ITEM.

AND THE COUNTY CLERK HAS AGREED THAT YES, THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE USE.

AND SHE'S AGREED TWO ADDITIONAL MONEY ON TOP OF THAT.

SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THERE'S ABOUT 200 TO $225,000 THAT RECURS IN THAT FUND EVERY YEAR.

THAT WAS WHAT I, I, I RECALLED THAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT IT RE IT RE IT REGENERATES EVERY YEAR.

AND SO THAT MONEY I'M PROPOSING IS SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE 200.

THAT MONEY IS MONEY THAT WILL BE THERE NEXT YEAR TOO.

IT'S NOT MONEY THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ONE TIME AND THEN HAVE TO GO FIND IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

THAT MONEY REGENERATES EVERY YEAR TO THAT DEGREE.

UM, SIR, ARE YOU, DOES, ARE YOU, IS IT THE FUND, UH, 29, THE ARCHIVAL FUND OR THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND PRESERVATION OF FUND 57? UH, LET'S DO, WELL FUND 57 IS THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

JENNIFER AND I DID.

I THINK THAT'S YOUR BETTER ONE.

THAT'S THE FUND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO USE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO WE WOULD JUST TRANSFER FROM THAT FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND AS AN OFFSET TO SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT ARE DOING THAT.

AND THEN THIS YEAR, UM, WE DIDN'T AGREE TO BE ON THIS YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR ANOTHER $200,000 WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO TRY TO REDUCE, UM, UH, OTHER EXPENSES SOMEWHERE ELSE IF WE WANTED TO ALSO PUT THAT INTO HER BUDGET TO HELP US OFFSET SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO, OKAY.

SO THIS FUND IS ON PAGE 81.

OF THE, THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S $120,000 OF PERSONNEL EXPENSES IN IT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS OF DOING $130,000 ROUGHLY, UM, OF MONEY.

NO, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

SHE HAS A POSITION FUNDED UNDER THAT.

SHE DOES DEPARTMENT ALREADY.

SO YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT ALONE.

I THINK YOU WOULD TAKE, WELL, SINCE SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING SHE MEANS THE WHOLE AMOUNT THAT SHE COULD TAKE IT OUT OF HER REC RECONSTRUCTION OF OLD RECORDS AND, AND MOVE SOME OF THE MONEY TO THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? YEAH, NO, NO, WE, WE, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT WHAT, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T TAKE PERSONNEL OVER THE REVENUE OVER THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO REGENERATE EACH YEAR.

AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE IF CORRECT, I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A POSITION WITH PERSONNEL WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT YEAR ON YEAR WITH WHAT REGENERATES EVERY YEAR.

SO AND SO IT'D BE 200,000 YOU WOULD MOVE FROM THAT FUND.

WE TALKED ABOUT 225,000 BUT'S.

WE NEED A, WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING 120.

WE NEED A, WE NEED A, A FINAL NUMBER ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE REGENERATES EVERY YEAR.

BUT I WAS, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND YOU IS THAT THE 2 25 IS, IS SEPARATE FROM THE ONE 30.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE INTENDED IT TO BE, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD TALKING WITH HER.

SHE, SHE NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS, UM, THAT SHE INTENDED FOR IT TO BE 2 25 TOTAL.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE WAS CURRENTLY USING IT FOR AT ALL.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT 130,000 ALREADY BEING ON THE BOOKS FOR PERSONNEL.

WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING 225,000 ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO PAY FOR PERSONNEL IN HER OFFICE SO THAT WE COULD HELP OFFSET OTHER PLACES IN THE BUDGET.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT USING AN ADDITIONAL 200,000 FROM THE FUND THIS YEAR.

ONLY THE PLAN FOR THE 2 25 WAS TO CONTINUE, UM, EVEN INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE THAT THAT FEE DOES.

ONCE ALL OF HER, HER RECORDS MANAGEMENT PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED, THAT FEE DOES GO AWAY.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE SHE IS, BUT I MEAN, SHE'LL HAVE TO STOP COLLECTING IT WHILE, BUT I TO I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WILL EVER STOP BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PROJECTS TO YEAH.

THAT'S PERFORM.

THAT'S RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS WE, WE DON'T ENVISION THAT THAT FUND NOT REGENERATING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

SO, SO LEAVE THE ONE 30 AND MOVE 200 CORRECT.

TO THE GENERAL FUND? YES.

Y'ALL, ARE YOU TALKING FROM THE ARCHIVE FUND? WE'RE TALKING FROM THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.

57.

57 57.

BECAUSE I THINK AT FIRST YOU SAID THE ARCHIVE FUND YEAH, I SAID THE ARCHIVE, I MEANT THE FUND 57.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN USE THE ARCHIVE FUND FOR THAT.

NO.

BUT 57 WE CAN RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

CAN WE GET A CONFIRMATION OF THAT FROM, I DON'T KNOW WHO GIVES IT TO US, BUT WHEN WE, WHEN, WHEN JENNIFER FOGG MADE HER ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, I REMEMBER HEARING THERE WAS A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON USE OF THESE FUNDS AND SHE SENT US DOCUMENTS REGARDING THE ARCHIVE FUND, AND I WOULD NOT BE THINK WE COULD USE THE ARCHIVE FUND FOR THAT.

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SO I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR THAT.

DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING IT IF WE CAN LEGALLY, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT STORY THEN I REMEMBER HEARING WELL IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.

I AGREE, COMMISSIONER, THE, THE ARCHIVE FUND IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND PRESERVATION FUND.

THEY BOTH HAVE ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IN 'EM.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, THE SOMETIMES THEY GET THE NAMES GET USED, UH, AROUND A LOT, BUT, UH, I, I THINK RECORDS MANAGEMENT, SHE WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE NEED THE LEGAL, UH, UH, SOMEONE TO REVIEW THAT STATUTE BECAUSE, UH, WHAT THAT, WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GOANNA'S PRESENTATION DOES, UH, IN ONE WAY IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

SO THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO IT.

AND WE AREN'T SHORT, WE AREN'T CROSSING OVER ANY BOUNDARIES.

A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.

I JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE TABLE.

IS THAT'S A, THAT'S AN IDEA WHERE I THINK WE CAN FIND SOME MONEY.

LET, LET, LET ME COMMISSIONER GO.

IF YOU WOULD HELP ME, INDULGE ME, UH, TO SIMPLIFY THIS SO SURE.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS TWO SEPARATE, TWO SEPARATE THINGS TRANSACTIONS.

ONE IS, UH, CHANGING ALL THE CLERKS TO PAY SCALE GRADE TWO.

AND THEN CHANGING, UH, WE GOT THAT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY FROM THE FUND TO OFFSET THIS.

TO OFFSET IT.

AND THEN WE'RE IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER 225,000 DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND.

AND, AND I SPOKE, I MISSPOKE.

IT'S THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT DOES NOT STOP.

IT'S THE ARCHIVE FUND THAT STOPS.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED.

I THINK THIS IS RIGHT, RIGHT.

PEOPLE GETTING THEIR BIRTH CERTIFICATES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE COLLECT FEES ON ALL YOUR, DO YOU HAVE, NOT TRYING TO ARGUE THE POINT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT KIND OF SHOWS THIS TO HELP ME LOOK AT, IF I COULD SEE SOMETHING ON PAPER, I CAN SEND SOMETHING TO YOU.

CAN, CAN YOU DRAW ON A PICTURE? I CAN DRAW YOU A MAP.

YEAH, I'LL DO IT.

SO THIS TAKES CARE OF THE, WHAT WE'RE, THIS DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF SHIFTING THE PAY RANGE 5.7%.

IT DOES, DOES.

SO THAT, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER, THAT TOP NUMBER AND THE, UM, THE BOTTOM NUMBER CHANGING ALL CLERKS TO PAY GRADE TWO, I THINK YOU HAVE TO COMBINE THOSE TWO AND THEN THAT GETS TO GET THERE.

AND THEN THAT SHOULD GET US TO THE NUMBER I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S ADDITIONAL MONEY TO WE CAN UTILIZE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO THIS DOES GET US THERE AND THEN GIVES US AN EXTRA 2 25.

THAT'S MY GOAL IF WE CAN DO IT.

I LIKE THAT GOAL.

THAT IS A, A GOOD GOAL.

NOW THAT I'VE THOROUGHLY CONFUSED EVERYONE, TO MOVE ON, I ACTUALLY WORKED MY WAY THROUGH THE CONFUSION TO A CLARIFICATION.

NO, AND NOT GOOD.

NOT CONFUSING.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SPREADSHEET OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'LL PUT ONE TOGETHER.

NO, I, IT'S FAIR.

YOU EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL.

SO, SO, SO THAT, THAT DELTA IS 99,000 AND, AND SO YOU'RE GIVING US 300,000 JUST, OKAY.

AND THAT SHOULD HAVE A DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE TAX RATE.

UM, I AM SUPPORTING THAT.

UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, THAT AS, UM, 6 51 0 3, THE COUNTY SHERIFF AS FAR AS FUNDING THE THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, UM, I VISITED WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND SHERIFF, I'M SORRY, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO CATCH YOU UP ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THEM, BUT THEY ARE, THE CITY OF ROCKWALL IS ALSO EXPERIENCING THE SAME, UM, UM, DEFICITS IN THEIR PERSONNEL IN THAT DEPART IN THE DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE DOWN FOUR PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE HAD OPEN POSITIONS FOR OVER SEVEN MONTHS.

AND THIS IS, THIS INFORMATION IS I'M SHARING FROM YOU, IS FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

UM, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR SALARIES IN ORDER TO TRY TO GET, UM, PERSONNEL IN THAT, IN THAT POSITION.

SO,

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WE TRY TO FIND THE FUNDING, AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT OUR LAST MEETING OF LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO A PHASE IN APPROACH OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO OF THE, UM, THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS AND THEN TRY TO GET TO THE THIRD ONE.

BUT, UM, UM, I SAT DOWN WITH THE SHERIFF AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR PROCESS AND WE'RE, WE ARE, WE ARE SOMETIMES TEETERING WHERE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THAT DEPARTMENT TO, TO FULLY FUNCTION.

IT'S A, UM, PART OF THE TURNOVER RATE OF WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM CITY MANAGER AND DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON MY OWN IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A VERY HARD POSITION WHEN SOMEONE IS ON THE PHONE WITH A LIFE LIFE THREATENING TYPE OF, OF OF MATTER.

AND THEN THEY, THEY STAY ON WITH 'EM UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE OFFICERS GET THERE OR THE, THE EMERGENCY PERSONNEL OF SOME KIND AND THEY HANG UP AND THEY NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

AND, UM, THAT HAS A LOT TO DO FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL STANDPOINT OF WHY THERE IS THE TURNOVER IN THIS, IN THIS ROLE AND IN THIS, IN THESE, IN THIS DEPARTMENT.

AND IT'S, IT'S SYSTEMIC NOT JUST FOR ROCKWELL COUNTY.

IT, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AS FAR AS THEIR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GROUP.

AND SO I, I THINK WE HAVE A, A TOUGH DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE ON THIS, BUT IT'S ALSO, WE, WE, WE BELIEVE IN SAFETY AND FOR OUR, OUR CITIZENS.

AND SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND HOW WE WANT TO, UM, PROVIDE THE STAFFING AND THE SUPPORT FOR OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I THINK IF COMMISSIONER ALANA'S SOLUTION WORKS AND WE'RE NOT DEPLETING MONEY GOING FORWARD, WE CAN FUND ALL THAT.

THAT'S THE WAY I READ THESE NUMBERS.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE, YEAH.

UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT.

LISA, IF WE TOOK VOTES, WHEN WOULD WE HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT TO REVIEW? A REVISED BUDGET TO REVIEW? SO, UH, THAT'S THE, THE QUESTION OF THE DAY.

UH, I THINK WE CAN GET YOU SOMETHING, UH, BY TOMORROW MORNING, ACTUALLY, BUT, UH, ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER IT A SECOND DRAFT OR IS IT JUST A PAPER DOCUMENT WE'RE HANDING TO YOU? THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LEGAL DIFFERENCE IS THAT, WHETHER IT'S A SECOND DRAFT OR A, OR JUST A REVISION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY, WOULD YOU POST IT ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT, UH, IF WE'RE POSTING IT, THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER PAGES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE WI IN IT.

UH, IF, IF IT'S JUST A, THE NUMBERS PART OF IT, OF THE BULK OF IT, WE CAN HAND YOU THAT AND, AND YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FOR US.

UH, WELL, I THINK THE SECOND CHOICE IS ACTUALLY EASIER FOR YOU AND QUICKER.

AND UNLESS SOMEBODY TELLS ME DIFFERENT, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO CALL IT A SECOND DRAFT.

AT SOME POINT WE WILL, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THERE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

WELL, AND, AND JUST, SO IF FOR, FOR TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S LISTENING, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS ONLINE.

AND IF YOU ALSO LOOK THAT EVERY REVISION THAT THIS COURT HAS VOTED ON IS ON A SPREADSHEET.

SO WHEN THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE REVISION PAGE, IT IS POSTED ONLINE AND IT IS AVAILABLE TO SEE THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN DISCUSSING IN THESE BUDGET MEETINGS.

SO, UH, THAT I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE WE ARE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

EE EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT.

UH, SO HEARING NO DISSENT, I HAVE NO DISSENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A FAVOR OF YOU.

UM, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN DOING, SHOWING US ALL THESE, AND ABOUT A WEEK AGO YOU SENT ONE THAT WAS CUMULATIVE.

WHEN YOU DO GENERATE THAT SECOND VERSION, WHETHER IT'S CALLED A SECOND DRAFT OR WHATEVER, COULD YOU ALSO GIVE US AN UPDATED CUMULATIVE THAT SHOWS EVERY LINE ITEM SO WE CAN JUST GO TO IT AND SEE WHAT IT DOES? THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, JUST MAKE, MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE PICKED UP EVERYTHING , THERE, THERE WERE A FEW, UH, SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, UH, THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING YOU VOTED ON, BUT MAYBE SOMEONE HAD HAD RESIGNED OR LEFT EMPLOYMENT AND IT, AND IT CHANGED JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE PAYROLL SIDE.

SO THERE IS ONE, I THINK MELISSA PUT IT AS A, A, A KIND OF A ANCILLARY SALARY LINE THAT WAS NOT A VOTE BY THE COURT, BUT JUST SO THAT WE BALANCED

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COMPLETELY.

SO THE CUMULATIVE REVISION IS WHAT IS ON LINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO, TO REVIEW AS WELL AS YOU ALL, SO.

AND, AND WHILE WE'RE ON THE TRANSPARENCY, UH, YOU EXPECT TOMORROW WE WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FROM OUR BOND COUNCIL, UH, BY OUR, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT BOND COUNCIL.

UM, COMMISSIONER M**K AND I SPOKE ASKING ABOUT SOME TIMELINES ON THE COUNTY ISSUING SOME OF YOUR ROAD BOND DEBT.

I REACHED OUT TO YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR FROM HILLTOP SECURITIES.

AND I GAVE HER, UH, YOU KNOW, FASTEST PACE SCENARIO FOR YOU TO ISSUE.

UH, JUDGE NEW JUST TOLD ME, UH, PROBABLY 35,000,040 MILLION WOULD BE THE NUMBER THAT SHE WOULD NEED TO, TO COME UP WITH AN ANALYSIS FOR YOU.

SO I KNOW I'LL HAVE THE TIMELINE TOMORROW, PROBABLY IT'S STILL THIS EVENING, UM, WHETHER I HAVE THE CIP ANALYSIS, UM, BECAUSE I JUST CHANGED THE NUMBER ON HER AT NOON, SO , BUT I HOPEFULLY I CAN SEND THAT OUT TO YOU TOMORROW.

I WOULD IN, I WOULD INCREASE THAT NUMBER.

I I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, I HAD, I HAD ASKED FOR 60 MILLION IS WHAT I HAD ASKED FOR.

THAT'S FINE.

SO MAYBE WE DO BOTH JUDGE IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, I THINK THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT SOMEONE TOLD HER WAS 25.

I I TOLD HER 20 TO 25.

SO THAT WAS MY, UH, YEAH.

AND, AND TODAY I AM LIKE, NO, 35 TO 40 AND AND IF IT'S 50 TO 60, THEN YEAH.

LET, LET, LET'S, WELL THEN YOU BETTER NOT CHANGE YOUR TAX RATE.

UH, YEAH, WELL WE, WE GOTTA HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

JUST IN, IN TRANSPARENCY, WE, WE HAVE TO KNOW.

'CAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE MY CONTINUAL BATTLE OF DRIVING THE TAX RATE DOWN ON THIS HAND ONLY TO HAVE OUR BOND RATING COME UP HERE AND HAVE THE CITIZENS PAY IT OVER HERE IN INSTEAD OF HERE.

I, I WANT TO FIND THE CUMULATIVE LOWEST RATE WE CAN GET FOR THE CITIZENS IN THAT WAY.

WELL, AND, AND, AND ALSO, UH, THE, THE BOND, UH, PAYMENT WILL BE SET UP EVEN IF YOU ISSUE BONDS IN FY 26, YOUR FIRST PAYMENT, YOUR FIRST PRINCIPAL PAYMENT WOULD BE FY 27.

SO, UH, THEY'LL SET IT UP THAT WAY, THAT IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST PAYMENT, YOU HAVE A, A FUND BALANCE THAT COULD SUPPORT THAT IN YOUR DEBT SERVICE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THE DEBT SIDE OF THE RATE, UH, TODAY, YOU KNOW, THIS NEXT WEEK.

AND ALSO TRY TO REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE BONDS COMING UP IT, THAT THAT WON'T, THAT WON'T IMPACT IT THIS YEAR.

IT'LL BE NEXT YEAR.

BUT, BUT, BUT WE, WE NEED THAT INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE A A A CORRECT.

GOOD DECISION.

JUST CAN ASK A QUESTION.

JUST TO MAKE SURE, LISA, THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND BALANCE WILL BE ENOUGH TO SERVICE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS DURING 25 OR 26.

I, I, AND WE'LL NEED TO IN 27, BE LOOKING TO WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO TO OUR BUDGET THEN.

SO WE STILL NEED THE NUMBERS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A ONE YEAR ISSUANCE, IT'S A 20 YEAR ISSUANCE, BUT RIGHT.

30 YEAR ACTUALLY.

SO, YEAH.

UH, I THINK, UM, I, I CAN ASK MARTY TO, TO, UH, GET SOMETHING FOR US AND IF, AND IF SHE HAS TIME, THEN MAYBE I CAN ASK HER TO COME ON FRIDAY'S MEETING.

I WOULD HATE TO TRY TO GET HER TO COME ON THURSDAY.

THAT DOESN'T GIVE HER MUCH TIME.

BUT THURSDAY, NO, THURSDAY, FRIDAY.

FRIDAY WOULD BE GOOD.

UH, YEAH, I'LL SEE IF SHE'S AVAILABLE.

SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MOTIONS ON THE TABLE.

SO WE'RE STILL WIDE OUT FOR DISCUSSION WHAT WE DO.

WE DO, WE DO.

WE TECHNICALLY NO, WE DON'T.

WE DON'T.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DO NOT.

YOU HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION YET.

THERE'S NOT BEEN A MOTION.

THERE'S BEEN SO, SO BEFORE YOU DO, SO, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE WENT FROM WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OVER TO THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.

AND SO, UH, I'VE DONE A BUNCH OF CALCULATIONS ON THE 4% SCALE.

SO I FINALLY HAVE THEM ADJUSTED FOR THE 5.7% SCALE.

SO WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT DOING IS, UM, DOING THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING WITH THE CLERKS, WHICH IS A GRADE INCREASE.

AND, AND THEN ALSO MAYBE FUNDING ONE POSITION, WHICH WOULD GET EVERY CONSOLE, UH, UP TO SPEED.

AND THEN AS WE START HIRING, WE COULD LOOK AT ADDING MORE IN THE FUTURE.

THAT NUMBER IS, UH, 1 52, 500.

WE WILL GET THAT VERIFIED BY PAYROLL.

UM, SO IT'S $152,000.

SO WHAT THAT'S DOING IS THAT'S TAKING THE COMMU BECAUSE, SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE SHERIFF CAME IN AND PRESENTED THE BUDGET, HE ASKED FOR THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS TO GET AN

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A GRADE INCREASE.

UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE GRANTING THAT GRADE INCREASE AND THEN USING THE 5.7 SCALE THAT YOU'RE, UH, I WOULD THINK ABOUT TO PROPOSE.

SO THAT PUTS IT AT ABOUT, UH, 150, 2000.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP STABILIZE, UH, THAT WITHIN OUR OWN DEPARTMENT, PLUS WE WOULD HAVE THEN THREE OPENINGS, AND ONCE WE FILL THOSE OPENINGS IN THE NEXT BUDGET, WE COULD LOOK AT FUNDING MORE POSITIONS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THE HEAD COUNT, UH, NOT ONE ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON.

SO WE'RE JUST ADDING THE RACES AND ADDING ONE PERSON.

SO WE'RE NOT ADDING THE HEAD COUNT, WE'RE JUST ADDING ONE PERSON FUNDING THE SLIDING THE SCALE 5.7% MOVING EVERYBODY UP.

AND THAT'S, AND THEN, AND WHICH, WHICH DEPARTMENT IS THE ONE PERSON IN COMMUNICATIONS? OKAY.

THE DISPATCH.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT, OKAY.

WELL, I THOUGHT WE, AND WE SAID OUR DEPARTMENT, AND I WAS LIKE GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, AND THAT CAN FREE UP $80,000.

I THOUGHT WE NEEDED THREE POSITIONS THERE IN COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS.

WE DO.

WELL THEN WHY ARE WE JUST BE, BECAUSE IT, THE RAISES ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT.

THAT'S JUST FUNDING THE POSITIONS.

I'M, I'M JUST PROPOSING WE GET THE RAISES AND THEN THE PERSON, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEND EVERY PENNY.

I MEAN, WE COULD DO BOTH.

I WOULD THINK, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHERIFF, I THINK WE HAVE TWO, UH, POSITIONS OPEN RIGHT NOW THAT ARE FUNDED.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

WE, WE, UH, INTERVIEWED THREE THIS MORNING, UH, GAVE AN OFFER TO ONE OUT OF THE THREE.

AND ORIGINALLY THE REQUEST WAS FOUR THREE AND THE, UH, THE SCALE ADJUSTMENT AS WELL.

SO, AND THAT WOULD, IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS TO BRING US UP TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE FOR DISPATCHING FOR THE OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL.

SO, UH, HAVING THE 5.7 SCALE SHIFT PLUS, UH, INCREASING THE SALARY, MOVING EVERYBODY UP AS YOU REQUESTED, AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THAT SHOULD HELP US FILL THE REMAINING TWO POSITIONS? TH THAT SHOULD HELP.

UH, AND, AND RETENTION AS WELL.

WELL, AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RETENTION IS THE BIG THING BECAUSE WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY GETTING SOMEONE TRAINED, THEY HAVE TO GO TO ARLINGTON, UH, FOR THEIR BASIC TELECOMMUNICATORS ACADEMY AS WELL.

AND THEN WE'VE HAD PROBABLY IN THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD, UH, AT LEAST TWO THAT HAVE WASHED OUT OF THE TRAINING, JUST OUR FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO, UH, SOMETIMES THE, THE STRESS OF THE JOB HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, AS WELL AS THE COMPENSATION PLAN.

ALSO, EITHER THEY'LL GO ON TO SOMETHING ELSE OR THEY DECIDE THAT'S NOT FOR THEM.

BUT COMMISSIONER STACEY, ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO FUND ONE OF THE THREE REQUESTED POSITIONS? CORRECT.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.

THAT'S FINE.

UM, I I'M NOT, I'M REALLY CONFUSED, Y'ALL.

I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE.

YOU SAID WE HAVE THREE OPEN POSITIONS, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, SO THOSE ARE NOT THE THREE POSITIONS NO.

THAT YOU REQUESTED? NO, THOSE ARE VACANT POSITIONS.

SO THOSE ARE ALREADY VACANT FROM WHAT, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN AUTHORIZED AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FUNDING DURING THE 26TH YEAR YES.

26TH YEAR TO GET US UP TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOR, UH, THE ADDITIONAL DISPATCH SERVICES TO FILL THREE AND HIRE THREE MORE.

IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AUTHORIZE THREE.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND, UH, JOHN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOUR SUGGESTION IS NOT A MOTION YET.

I DON'T THINK.

IT'S NOT A MOTION.

YOUR SUGGESTION IS LET'S JUST FILL ONE OF THOSE THREE NEW POSITIONS AND THEN GIVE ALL THE RAISES.

YEAH, BECAUSE THIS 236 DOESN'T HAVE THE RAISES.

OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I, AND I UNDERSTAND.

SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE, THE AUTHORIZATION AND THEN THE FUNDING AUTHORIZATION FOR THE THREE, BUT FUNDING, LIKE WE DID, WE DID THIS, UH, YEAR BEFORE LAST, JUDGE NEW, UH, AUTHORIZED THREE POSITIONS, BUT DID NOT FUND THEM FULLY UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR BECAUSE WE DID STILL HAVE OPENINGS.

SO YEAH, NO, I GET IT.

MAKES SENSE.

BUT I, THE CONCERN I CONTINUE TO HAVE IS ONE THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY THE, BY, UM, MR. WACKER WHEN HE MADE HIS PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS NEXT YEAR WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS DONE, IT'S GONNA BE HARDER TO FILL POSITIONS, HARDER TO GIVE RAISES, HARDER TO EXPEND MORE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO, TO, TO INCREASE THE BUDGET.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY.

AND SO TO ME, I, I MEAN, IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU JUST NEED ONE PERSON, OKAY,

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I, NO, I DIDN'T.

THAT WAS NOT THE REQUEST.

THAT'S NOT THE REQUEST.

AND DESPITE WHAT THE STATE KEEPS PUTTING ON IS UNFUNDED MANDATES, AND WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO FULFILL OUR DUTY TO RESPOND TO INCIDENTS, TO ANSWER PHONE CALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND OUR JOB IS TO TELL YOU WHAT WE NEED TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT FUNCTION.

AND I JUST WANT TO, I DID LEAVE OUT SOME INFORMATION THAT I, I WANNA SHARE WITH THE COURT AND WITH, AND WITH, UM, THE SHERIFF IS THAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ALSO PICKED UP, UM, HEATH, IS THAT RIGHT? OR FATE? I'M SORRY.

NO, CITY OF ROCKWALL HAS HAD, UH, HEATH FOR AT LEAST PROBABLY 20 YEARS.

SO, AND THEY, WE PICKED UP FATE LAST YEAR.

RIGHT, OKAY.

IT'S, SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TWO AGENCIES, AND WE HAVE, UH, FATE, ROY CITY, ROCKWELL COUNTY SHIP, AND THEIR, THEIR NUMBERS WITH THE TWO, WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWELL, OBVIOUSLY BEING THE, YOU KNOW, THE LARGEST, THEIR NUMBERS ARE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH ROUGHLY WHAT YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IS THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT, THAT YOU'RE WE'RE GETTING ON A, ON A, ON A CONSISTENT BASIS.

AND THEY ARE, THEY HAVE EIGHT POSITIONS, AND RIGHT NOW, FOUR OF THEM ARE, ARE VACANT, BUT THEY HAVE EIGHT TO DO THAT AND EIGHT, EIGHT POSITIONS.

UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE, I, I BELIEVE THEY'RE CURRENTLY, THEIR, THEIR FULL STAFFING IS SIX 15 OR 16.

15 OR 16.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT THAT THEY HAVE EIGHT THAT THEY'RE DOWN RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF YES.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

AND, AND SO THE, SO THE VACANT POSITIONS, I'M NOT LOOKING AT HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS WE HAVE OR THEY HAVE THAT, THAT HAS TO DO WITH RETENTION, UH, AND, AND RECRUITMENT WHERE THAT'S WHERE COMPENSATION AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS COME IN.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE DEFICIENT IN AS FAR AS A COUNTY COMPARED TO THE CITY OF ROCKWELL, WHICH IS WHERE FOR SOME CASES IN SOMETIMES YOU HAD, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT MAYBE SOME OF 'EM MAY GO OVER TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL BECAUSE OF CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SALARIES OR BENEFITS OR WHATEVER.

UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

WE WE'RE COVERING THE WHOLE COUNTY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ROCKWALL AND, AND, AND HEATH.

AND, UM, AND THE NUMBERS ARE ABOUT THE SAME, BUT YET OUR, OUR, OUR STAFFING IS NOT IN LINE OUR COMPENSATIONS EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE VACANCIES RIGHT NOW JUST AND THEY'RE EXPERIENCING EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHARED WITH US, DO THEY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF CONSOLES TO WORK THAT WE DO? I MEAN, HOW MANY CONSOLES ARE THEY WORKING IN THE CITY? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE FOUR, MAYBE FIVE CONSOLES.

AND WE'RE WORKING FOUR, THREE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING, WE HAVE THREE WORKING CURRENTLY.

AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE AS WE RE REMODEL, WHICH WE GREAT.

NOW, THERE, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE, WE HAVE ONLY TWO YEAH.

WORKING ON A SHIFT RIGHT NOW.

SO WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS FULLY STAFFED? I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO I FEEL LIKE WHAT IS, WE NEED TO JUST HONE THIS IN A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT IS FULLY STAFFED LOOK LIKE FOR YOU IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING, AND WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW CURRENTLY THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS IF WE, IF WE FILLED AT EACH CONSOLE POSITION, THAT WOULD BE FIVE PER CONSOLE WITH THE THREE CONSOLES, UH, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

AND WE HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS WHO DO MAN CONSOLES, AND THEN THE, UH, SUPERVISOR OR THE, UH, MANAGER.

MANAGER, WHICH THAT WOULD TAKE US UP TO 16.

AND WHERE ARE WE AT? WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW? WHERE ARE YOU LIKE, AND Y'ALL CAUGHT ME IN OFF OF THE, UH, UH, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 13.

I'M PRETTY SURE AT 14 FOUR, MAYBE 14.

SO IF WE'RE AT 13 OR 14 NOW, AND WE HAVE HOW MANY OPEN POSITIONS POSTED? WE HAVE THREE.

THREE.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD AN ADDITIONAL, IF WE APPROVE JUST THE ONE, WE'LL HAVE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS POSTED.

ARE THEY ALL FUNDED UNDER WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THEY WOULD ALL BE FUNDED.

SO YOU WOULD'VE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS FUNDED IF WE, SO THAT WOULD PUT YOU SOMEWHERE AROUND 18.

AND THAT'S ASSUMING NO ATTRITION.

THERE'S 14 IN THE HEADCOUNT IN THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.

WITH WITHOUT ADDING ANY MORE.

THERE'S WHERE WE ARE.

, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF GARRETT? THANK YOU, SHERIFF.

TIMES, UM, THAT FULLY STAFFS THAT THAT GIVES THEM THEIR MANAGER AND THEIR SUPERVISORS.

AND THEN THE, THE REASON THAT I TOOK IT FROM EIGHT TO NINE ON THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS IS BECAUSE THAT PUTS THREE PER CONSOLE THAT'S WORKING, BECAUSE ONCE WE'RE DONE, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER OUR, OUR DISPATCH CENTER'S ABOUT TO BE REMODELED.

IT'S ABOUT TO MOVE A COUPLE OF

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AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S NOT AS ARBITRARY AS IT SOUNDS, BUT IT JUST, IT MAKES SURE THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE ARE STAFFING UP TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND THEN GOING INTO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE COULD POSSIBLY OPEN UP MORE CONSOLES, HAVE THE DISPATCH CENTER FULLY OPEN, WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD TRY TO HIRE TWO OR THREE MORE POSITIONS.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT, KNOWING THAT THE RAISES TO ME ARE MORE IMPORTANT.

UM, WELL THE RAISES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME TOO.

I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA IMPLY THAT, BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER TI JUST SAID.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGES NEXT YEAR WITH THE BUDGET BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT, UM, WE, THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PASSED FOR THIS YEAR.

WELL, LUCKILY THE LEGISLATOR DOESN'T MEET NEXT YEAR.

TO SAY OUR, OUR OUR DAMAGE THAT'S ALREADY KNOWN NEXT YEAR.

BUT WE, UM, YEAH.

UM, WE, UH, WE HAVE TO, SO WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RAISES ARE MORE IMPORTANT, BUT WITH SHIFTING THE SCALES TO 5.7% INSTEAD OF FOUR, WHICH WAS WHAT COMMISSIONER ALANA HAD SUGGESTED, PART OF THAT RAISE IS GOING TO BE CORRECTED BECAUSE NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE SHIFTED THE SCALE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, COST OF LIVING.

AND I JUST, I JUST GOT A NOTICE FROM, JUST TO CONFIRM THIS, WE GOT THREE AND 2.7%.

I JUST GOT MY NOTICE FROM, FROM SOCIAL SECURITY, IT'S GOING UP 2.7%.

SO THE NUMBER MUST BE RIGHT .

SO WE ARE KIND OF CORRECTING OUR, UH, OUR COMPENSATION AND THE, THERE WILL BE SOME INCREASE THERE.

AND I, AGAIN, I, TO ME, I THINK IT'S MY PRIORITY WOULD BE LET'S GET THE OFFICERS THAT WE NEED.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

I I, I JUST, I JUST FEEL THAT MOVING THE GRADE IS IMPORTANT AND IF WE HAVE A FINITE SET OF MONEY THAT MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN GETTING THAT GRADE RIGHT VERSUS JUST HAVING POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN AND, AND UH, AND FUNDED.

I JUST THINK THERE'S A BALANCE TO THAT.

I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND, AND GETTING, UH, STOPPING THE ATTRITION IS, IS THE MAIN, MAIN THING.

FILLING THE POSITIONS AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE THE NEW CONSOLE NEXT YEAR, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL, NO, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD HAVE EVEN ANOTHER, UH, CITY COME ON BOARD.

SO, UM, BUT THE CALLS ARE STILL GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

CALL CALLS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.

UH, AND, AND I HAVE, UM, HAVE NO DOUBTS WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THOSE CALLS.

BUT YEAH, I, I THINK IF WE COULD FILL THE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS, IF YOUR PLAN IS WHAT THE COURT ENDS UP DECIDING ON, WE FILL THOSE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS AND WE ARE UNTIL NEW CONSOLES COME ON BOARD FULLY STAFFED, CORRECT.

YES, CORRECT.

WITH RAISES AND, AND SHIFTING THE, AND, AND WE GIVE THE RAISES AND THEN WE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT UNDERSTAFFING BY ONLY GOING WITH FOUR THREE THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS NOW AND ONE WE'RE ADDING YES.

ALL FUNDED CORRECT.

OPEN POSITIONS.

SO THAT'S FOUR OPEN POSITIONS WITH THE PEOPLE WE HAVE NOW, BASED ON WHAT WE NEED FIVE TO RUN EACH CONSOLE.

WE WILL BE FULLY STAFFED.

AND THEN THE GRADE UPGRADE HELPS US RETAIN WHAT WE HAVE.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING ABOUT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.

AND I AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH OUR TAX RATE, UM, THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF WHAT WE COULD BE DEALING WITH FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, NOT JUST NEXT YEAR, BUT THEN THAT AFFECTS THE YEAR AFTER THAT.

AND, AND WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

WE HAVE SEEN WHAT THE ISD IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE, UM, I GUESS NO, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EXPECTED INFLATIONARY PRESSURE TO BE SO BAD.

UM, BUT HINDSIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, 2020.

AND SO WE CANNOT DIE OUR TAX RATE DOWN, UM, THIS YEAR, UM, AND PUT OURSELVES IN A GIANT HOLE FOR THE NEXT FIVE MM-HMM .

SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO DO TO THE TAXPAYER.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM ON A ROLLERCOASTER RIDE.

I WANT TO BE HONEST WITH THEM.

THEY, THEY ARE GOING ON A ROLLERCOASTER RIDE ANYWAY.

WELL, I DUE AND NOT BECAUSE OF THIS COURT DUE TO THE COUNTY THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.

BECAUSE NOT DUE TO THIS BODY, BUT THERE'S A ROLLERCOASTER COMING.

THERE IS A ROLLERCOASTER COMING AND, BUT, BUT I, SO I, I THINK WE'RE STILL, I, I'M NOT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE WEREN'T FULLY STAFFING THIS POSITION.

THAT'S MY ULTIMATE CONCERN.

I, I WANT FOR THE SHERIFF, FOR THE OPERATIONS TO BE FULLY STAFFED

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AT DISPATCH.

AND, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THAT FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE, I AM GOOD.

AT SOME POINT DURING THIS BUDGET CYCLE, AREN'T WE GOING TO BE NEEDING THOSE PEOPLE? WELL, I MEAN THIS, WE HAVE 'EM ALREADY.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO CONSOLES, CORRECT? WE HAVE THREE, THREE CONSOLES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE GONNA COME ONLINE DURING THIS BUDGET CYCLE? NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE CONSOLES RIGHT NOW.

AND SHERIFF SAYS HE NEEDS FIVE PEOPLE FOR EACH CONSOLE.

15 PEOPLE PLUS TWO SUPERVISORS, PLUS ONE MANAGER.

AND RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE.

WELL, THE NUMBER THAT WE HAD, WE THOUGHT WE WERE SOMEWHERE AROUND 14 CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.

AND IF THERE'S THREE OPEN POSITIONS AND WE'RE ADDING ONE MORE, THEN THAT'S 18 PEOPLE.

I THOUGHT THE 14 INCLUDED THE THREE OPEN POSITIONS.

I, I, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

I THINK THE SHERIFF, I THINK THE SHERIFF'S TRYING TO GET BACK UP HERE.

YEAH, PLEASE COME BACK UP, SHERIFF.

LIKE I SAID, I WANT, I WANT IT TO BE FULLY STAFF, BUT ARE THE THREE NOT FILLED INCLUDED IN THAT 14 NUMBER? I WANT KNOW IF I WANT TO GET BACK UP HERE.

, YOU DON'T.

THAT'S THE ANSWER IN, SO THOSE, THOSE SUPERVISORS THOUGH, MAN, A CONSOLE AS WELL, THEY, THEY WORK A SHIFT AS WELL CURRENTLY.

SO, UM, THE FIVE PER CONSOLE MANS A CONSOLE FULL TIME FOR 24 7.

SO THE, THE 15 AND THEN SUPERVISOR, MANAGER, SUPERVISOR, MANAGER, THAT WOULD BE 17.

YOU NEED 17 TO 18.

THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

FULLY STAFFED.

AND HOW MANY POSITIONS OF THOSE 18 DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR, IN THE BUDGET? RIGHT NOW IT'S 14.

14.

WHICH IS, IF HE'S ASKING AGAIN, IT SAYS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU WANT THREE MORE PEOPLE APPROVED.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR BUDGET REQUEST WAS.

SO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE GOT THREE STATIONS, THAT'S NOT CONTINGENT UPON ADDING A NEW STATION.

NO, IT'S NOT.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS OUR, OKAY, WE HAVE 14 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

IN THE BUDGET.

HOW MANY, AND YOU HAVE 14 PEOPLE THERE CURRENTLY, WHERE YOU HAVE 14 PEOPLE CURRENTLY.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY? RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW WE'RE THREE SHORT.

SO YOU HAVE 11.

I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP CHANGING NUMBERS.

NO, BUT HE'S NOT, WE WERE THREE SHORT, WE HAVE 11 EMPLOYEE.

DO WE HAVE 12 OR 11? 11.

WE HAVE 11 RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE HAVE MORE POSITIONS THAN THAT ALLOCATED, CORRECT? WELL, WE HAVE THE THREE THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET.

WE HAVE THE THREE THAT ARE OUT FOR HIRE RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT, YES.

THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION'S COMING FROM.

BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I WAS GIVEN THE NUMBER 14.

THAT'S POSITION.

REALLY? WE HAVE 11.

SO WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS.

POSITIONS.

MAYBE I NEED A MAP.

, I'M NOT PROVIDING IT.

NO, YOU OWE ME A MAP.

NOW, , THE, THE, THE REQUEST WHEN HE MADE THE PRESENTATION TO US WAS FOR THREE, TO FUND THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.

THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU GAVE US A LITTLE OVER A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKAGE.

AND THE NUMBERS SUPPORT THAT.

SO THE DECISION THEN IS WE HAVE 14 FUNDED, OR IF WE FUND ONE MORE, WE'RE AT 15, WHICH IS THE EXACT NUMBER WE NEED TO BE FULL-TIME STILL.

15.

THAT'S WITH SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS AND EVERYBODY WORKING IN CONSOLES THOUGH.

FIGHTING ON A CONSOLE.

EVERYBODY'S ON A CONSOLE AND THAT PLAN OR TWO, TWO GETS YOU TO THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE, TWO GETS YOU TO THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR IS RIGHT.

NOT ONE, BUT TWO.

SO TWO GETS US TO WHERE WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE MANAGER ON A CONSOLE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT WHERE WE WANT 'EM, BUT, AND THEN THAT NOT AN OPERATIONS SHERIFF IS, WELL THE MANAGER, IT HELPS US WITH OUR, OUR C REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE REPORTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE NEEDED FOR OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE STATE ALSO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD REQUESTED THAT ONE OF THE SUPERVISOR POSITIONS BE UPGRADED TO THE MANAGER.

AND THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

THE SUPERVISOR POSITION UPGRADE THAT BASICALLY IS BUDGET NEUTRAL.

IF WE GIVE THE RAISES AND FUND TWO, IT'S $222,000 AT THE 5.7.

SO THAT WOULD, UH, TAKE THE MONEY THAT COMMISSIONER GAANA FOUND US AND WE WOULD SPEND IT ALL WE, WE WOULD SPEND IT ALL.

SO YOU SAID, I HAD ONE QUESTION OF THE AUDITOR, UH, BEFORE, NO, NO, NO.

WAIT A MINUTE.

WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE 2 36 IN HERE NOW THAT WOULDN'T

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SPEND IT ALL.

WE'VE GOT 2 36 IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

37,000.

THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A SAVINGS.

ABOUT $10,000.

SO, RIGHT.

BUT IT'S ONLY FUNDING TWO? WELL, NO, HE'S SAYING IT WOULD SPEND THE 2 25 THAT BOBBY DOWN.

WE'VE MOVED FROM THE, UH, RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.

THE, THE, THE MONEY THAT ISN'T IN YOUR MAP YET.

WELL, THEN I, NO, NO, NO.

I, I THOUGHT THIS SHEET THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF OF MM-HMM .

RIGHT HERE INCLUDES FUNDING THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.

WHICH HAS A BUDGET IMPACT OF $236,995.

AND THAT IS CALCULATED IN THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES, WHICH IT IS BROUGHT US TO THE NET, NET NEGATIVE CONTINGENCY WE STARTED WITH.

WHICH WAS CHANGED BY MY MOTION.

GOOD JOB.

AND THEN BOB BOBBY, UM, BY HIS SUGGESTION, NOT YET A MOTION, UM, IS GONNA BE, THINKS HE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FIRST LINE AND THE THIRD LINE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF IT.

AND PROVIDE $200,000.

SO IF WE WENT FROM THREE TO TWO COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, THAT $200,000 IS STILL SITTING THERE.

WELL, ONE OF THEM IS EITHER THE ONE THAT'S CALCULATED OR THE ONE THAT BOBBY FOUND.

BUT THE, THE DO YOU'RE CORRECT.

THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS BOBBY IS STILL THERE.

BOBBY FOUND, BOBBY FOUND 213,851.

AND I HATE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE AUDITOR .

I THINK THE AUDITOR AND HER TEAM COULD BE DOING THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ADD ALL THIS UP, BUT YEAH.

TO THE, BUT IT'S ABOUT 200, NEARLY 14,213.

851.

WELL, IF I, IF I TAKE, UM, LINE ITEM ONE, WHICH WAS A HUNDRED THIRTY THREE EIGHTY AND LINE ITEM 3 79, 971, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

THAT'S 213,000 $151.

NO, BUT HE HAD ANOTHER 200,000 ON TOP OF THAT.

FROM THE, FROM THE FUND NUMBER.

SO 57.

SO THEN, SO THEN MAYBE THE ANSWER IS THAT WE FUND TWO.

I MEAN, THE, THE, LISTEN, I'M, I'M WITH YOU COMMISSIONER STACEY.

THE COMPENSATION TO ME IS, UH, THE KEY PART OF THIS.

WE HAVE TO GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT OR WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO CYCLE MM-HMM .

UM, WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO COMPETE.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING WITH OUR OTHER POSITIONS.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE KEY PART.

WE HAVE TO GET THAT FIXED.

AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE COURT WANT TO DO WITH THE POSITIONS AND IF, IF WE CAN FUND TWO AND TAKE CARE OF THE PAY.

AND WHAT WE HAVE ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS 2 36, AND THAT'S 2 22.

THEN I, IT SOUNDS PERSONALLY I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE EVEN, WE'RE WASHING IT.

REALLY.

AND WE'VE, AND WE'VE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ON THE PLUS OF FINDING MONEY TODAY.

AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK THE AUDITOR, WHEN WE GET THE UPDATED BUDGET, IS IT GONNA HAVE A TAX RATE OR IS IT JUST GONNA HAVE ALL THE MONEY? WE'LL PUT THE REVENUE IN IT AS WELL.

BUT I'M SAYING, BUT WE'LL KNOW, HEY, IF WE DID THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE TAX RATE WOULD BE.

THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS.

'CAUSE I'M SAYING, AS WE MOVE THE MONEY AROUND, IF WE KEEP A $600,000 CONTINGENCY, IN THEORY, WE MOVE THE MONEY, BOBBY'S TALKING ABOUT MOVING, AND WE DO THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE NEGATIVE.

WE'RE GONNA BE UNDER THE VOTER APPROVED RATE.

OR ARE YOU JUST GONNA KEEP THAT BUDGET AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE AND DUMP EVERYTHING INTO THE CONTINGENCY? I'M GONNA THAT, OR PUT IT TOWARDS THE DA EXPANSION.

YOU STILL HAVE THAT OUTSTANDING AS WELL.

YEAH, I KNOW THAT.

THAT'S THE THIRD.

LET'S, LET'S START, LET'S START ADDING TOPICS.

LET'S TRY TO KEEP ON THE TOPICS AT END.

THERE'S A FOURTH, THERE'S A FOURTH TOPIC.

THERE IS A FOURTH TOPIC THERE.

THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR.

CAN WE, CAN WE BUTTON THIS ONE UP WITH A MOTION? YES.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, YEAH.

PUT IT IN CONTINGENCY.

WE, WE JUST ALL KNOW NOW ANYTHING IN, IN EXCESS OF 600, WE, WE CAN THEN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

ARE WE DRIVING THE RATE DOWN, OR, OR WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE SPENDING IT ON? SO YEAH, JUST PUT IT, PUT IT ON CONTINGENCY.

THAT WAS JUST, YEAH.

SO DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR MOTION OF THE, SO YEAH, LET, LET'S GO BACK IN TIME.

WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED.

UM, MY MINE IS, AND THIS FLY IS DRIVING ME BANANAS.

UM, YEAH.

WELL, MINE IS IN LIEU OF STILL GETTING SOME KIND OF LEGAL DECISION BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IF I CAN DO WHAT I PROPOSED EARLIER.

SO I DON'T, I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS USE ALL OF THE MONEY TO OFFSET HER, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL IN THE OFFICE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY MOVE ANY OF IT TO THE GENERAL FUND IF SHE HAS EXPENSES THAT WE CAN USE THE MONEY FOR, IS THAT RIGHT? BUDGETED EXPENSES.

THAT'S THE PART I'M, SHE HAS ONE, ONE POSITION RIGHT NOW IN, IN THAT FUND.

SO, UM,

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UH, AND THE QUESTION TO ME IS, WOULD I PUT HER EXPENSES INTO THAT FUND, OR WOULD I TAKE FROM THAT FUND AND MOVE IT TO GENERAL? RIGHT.

IF, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE IT TO GENERAL.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IF WE CAN'T MOVE IT TO GENERAL, THEN WHAT IS ANOTHER OPTION? SO WE CAN STILL TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK IS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL ANOTHER EMPLOYEE OUT OR TWO OUT AND CHARGE TO THAT FUND.

THERE ARE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES TO HIT THEM.

THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

I KNOW, I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT FUND THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PREDOMINANT AMOUNT OF THE EMPLOYEE'S TIME NEEDS TO BE RECORDS TYPE RELATED, UH, PROCEDURES.

UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER SPECIAL FUNDS THAT WE DO TRANSFER INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET AN EMPLOYEE'S JOB IN THERE.

SO I WOULD FEEL BETTER TAKING IT FROM 57 OVER TO YOUR GENERAL FUND AND SAYING THAT THAT'S AN OFFSET TO HER POSITION.

RECORD MANAGEMENT YEAH.

DUTIES.

NO, I, AND I AGREE AT THAT, IF WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE UP, ALL RIGHT, FIRE AWAY WITH THE MOTION CONVOLUTED MOTION OF SOME SORT HERE.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SHIFT PAY RANGE TO 5.7% AND THAT WE MOVE, UH, ALL CLERKS TO PROPOSED PAY SCALE GRADE TWO.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.

WAIT, WAIT, ANA, WAIT, HANG ON.

WE GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

NOW FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM? AND DON'T YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN PART OF YOUR MOTION? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WILL, I'LL INCLUDE IT.

WE, IF WE DON'T INCLUDE IT IN PART OF THE MOTION, WE ARE NOW TAKEN OUTTA CONTINGENCY.

I'LL, SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED.

WE WE'RE GONNA BALANCE, WE BALANCED IT AT THE BEGINNING.

I'LL AMEND THE MOTION.

SO THE MOTION WILL BE THAT I PROPOSE THAT WE SHIFT THE PAY RANGE TO 5.7%, THAT WE CHANGE ALL CLERKS TO PAY GRADE TWO.

WE ARE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS BY PULLING THE MONEY FROM FUND 57.

WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.

GO.

AND I'LL AMEND MY SECOND AND A CONTINUED AMENDED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

NOW FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S VOTE AND IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

LET'S, LET'S KEEP ON ROLLING HERE.

LET'S CLEAN, CLEAN STUFF UP.

WAIT, HOLD ON.

HR HAS A QUESTION.

HOLD ON.

KA SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO START OVER.

THAT ONE AND TWO ARE ARE OVER WITH BECAUSE THOSE OVERRIDE RIGHT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD AND FOR PAYROLL THAT IT'S A 5.7 SHIFT OF RANGE, BUT IT'S STILL A 4% INCREASE UNLESS IT TAKES MORE TO GET THEM TO THEIR NEW MINIMUM.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO WHAT, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS CONVERSATION STILL HANGING OUT THERE.

BUT I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT IF YOU WANT.

GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE, UM, MY MOTION IS THAT WE FUND THE THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A, UM, A GRADE INCREASE, UM, AT THE, UM, UH, FROM, I GUESS THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM AT THIS POINT, PROBABLY BE COMING FROM OUR CON I GUESS OUR CONTINGENCY.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO COME FROM.

GENERAL FUND.

I, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT, BUT I'M THINKING IT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM GENERAL FUND.

SO WE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K, HOW MUCH IS WHAT YEAH, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF DOING THIS WELL, UH, PER PER I WAS WITH PER, PER THIS REPORT ON NINE EIGHT, IT SAYS $236,995.

THAT'S NOT THE RAISES, THAT'S NOT THE GRADE ENHANCEMENTS.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THES NEW PEOPLE.

SO THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE RAISES, RIGHT? CORRECT.

LET'S HAVE A, DO WE NEED A SECOND TO DISCUSS? YEAH, WE, WE CERTAINLY DO.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K, I'M GONNA MAKE A SECOND FOR DISCUSS DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE A, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ANA TO GET US PROCEDURALLY TO DISCUSSION.

SO WHERE, WHERE DOES MONEY COME FROM? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, AND HOW MUCH IS IT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IMPACT IS BECAUSE I, I KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY PROPOSED AND YOU GAVE US THAT IMPACT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT FUNDING THREE AND SHIFTING THE PAY, WHAT THAT, WHAT IS THAT TOTAL IMPACT VERSUS WHAT'S ON THE SHEET? CAN YOU PULL THAT OUT OF THE ETHER? KAMI .

THAT'S A VERY POLITE, NO A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DECIPHER.

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UH, YOU KNOW, I I SHOULD HAVE, UH, SAID THAT UP FRONT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS LIKE A WORKSHOP.

ANYTIME YOU NEED TO GET UP AND STRETCH, GET UP AND STRETCH AND YOU GO TO THE RESTROOM.

I'M, YOU GET UP GO.

I'M BASED ON THE INFORMATION.

I HAVE NUMBER SPEAK ON $418,000 TOTAL, INCLUDING, SORRY, WHAT WAS IT? THREE OFFICERS AND YES.

AND THE FIVE POINT YOU SAID 18.

BASED UPON THE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRICE PER THE THREE DISPATCH AND MOVING AND MOVING IT.

I WOULD RATHER SEE IT GET SOMETHING THAT'S SURPRISING.

YEAH, THAT'S VERY SURPRISING TO ME.

SO THAT'S SURPRISING.

EACH DISPATCHER IS $69,800 AT THE 5.7 SCALE AND RE AND REQUESTED GRADE.

AND THEN IT'S $82,744 TO MOVE THEM.

AND IS THAT TOPPED UP? THAT'S EVERY, THAT'S THAT THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN A MATH IN PROGRESS DURING THIS MEETING.

WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S WHY.

HERE'S WHY I QUESTION THAT NUMBER.

KEN, YOU'VE DONE THE MATH.

I HAVEN'T, BUT YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO TO ADD TWO.

IT CAN BE RIGHT? YEAH.

IS THIS, DURING, DURING OUR, OUR EARLIER BUDGET MEETINGS, WE HAD CAMIE, WE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE THAT WAS VALIDATING WHAT THE, THE MATH WE WERE DOING UP HERE, BUT WE JUST CHANGED THE SCALE.

THAT'S THE REASON.

IT'S DID YOU GET IT? SORRY.

HERE COMES KAMI WITH A COMPUTER.

I WAS SEEING WHAT STACY WAS CALCULATING.

OH.

IT'LL BE SPENT BEFORE WE LEAVE HERE.

IF NOT, I'LL SPEND IT DRIVING THE RATE FURTHER DOWN.

SO YOU ARE CORRECT.

PER, PER TOTAL.

YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 12 AND $15,000 INCREASE PER NO, ABOVE THE 2 36.

OH.

OVER THE 2 36.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S INCLUDING MOVING EVERY OTHER PERSON UP.

THAT'S JUST MOVING THEM.

SO IT'S 12,000 JUST FOR THE THREE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR MOVING EVERYBODY.

BUT DID WE NOT DO THAT UP IN ITEM NUMBER THREE? NO, NO, NO.

IT'S THE, THAT WOULD BE SHIFTING THEIR GRADES.

WHEN WE SHIFT THE GRADES.

IT'S $82,000, WHICH IS WHY I WAS GOING TO THE TWO AND THEN FUNDING IT.

BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU TAKE THE THIRD ONE AND THEN THEY FUND THE INCREASES AND KINDA WASHES IT OUT.

AND THESE, THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS ARE NOT PART OF THE STEP PLAN, CORRECT? NO, THEY'RE NOT.

SO, SO WITH THE 12,796 OR WHATEVER YOU JUST SAID WHILE AGO, IT'S WHAT I QUICKLY WROTE DOWN.

IT'S 249,791.

AND THAT'S NOT RACISTS.

NOT RACISTS.

THAT'S JUST ADDING THREE PEOPLE.

THEN WHEN THE RAISES ARE 82,746 FOR ALL MM-HMM .

SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL THERE? LET ME DO 2 36, 9 90.

LET ME DO IT REAL QUICK.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

IT IS 319,739.

AND DO YOU ALSO NEED TO ADD IN THE 5.7 SCALE SHIFT? NO, THAT GOT IT.

SO THREE THIRTEEN, THREE NINETEEN, THREE NINETEEN, SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY $9 BASED ON, I I DID THAT BY THE 236 9 POINT 95 THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD.

THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSE.

AND THEN I ADDED THE 82,744.

THAT COMMISSIONER STACY SAID IS WHAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE.

THAT'S GOING OFF MY, MY POST-IT NOTES.

SO, OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE THE NUMBER AND SO NOW WE CAN, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOVE THE BUDGETED LINE ITEM BECAUSE YOU FOUND US TO SOMETHING .

NOW WE'VE JUST SPENT THAT .

WHERE ARE WE TAKING THE MONEY? SO SOMETHING, SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE, AND THIS TAKES ME BACK TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE STATEMENTS IS GOVERNING SHOULD BE HARD.

SO FURTHER CONVERSATION WHERE, WHERE,

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IT SHOULD NOT BE EASY.

SO WE, WE'VE CONTROLLED THE SIZE OF THE PIE.

WHERE, WHERE ARE WE TAKING IT? I DON'T KNOW.

I-I-I-I-I, I HAD HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THESE FUNDS THAT HAVE DOLLARS IN 'EM AND I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THIS ONE COMMISSIONER STACY HAS ALREADY ALL BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.

BUT, UM, FUND NUMBER 2 0 3, THE COUNTY JAIL EXPANSION REMODEL FUND.

OH NO, I KNOW.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE REMODELING THE, THEY'RE GONNA GET CONSOLES .

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S, IF YOU'VE USED, IF WE'VE ALREADY USED ALL OF THAT.

'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE SHORT ROUGHLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SHORT ROUGHLY ABOUT 9 2 0 3.

YEAH, ABOUT ABOUT 80,000 SHORT.

YEAH, ABOUT 80,000 SHORT.

THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT FUND COULD HAVE, COULD HAVE ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT LISA, HAVE WE COMPLETELY PILFERED OUR FAVORITE FUND? 51? I, I THOUGHT SO.

YEAH, I, I, I THOUGHT JUST BASED ON THE ONGOING ONSLAUGHT I THOUGHT WE DID THE OTHER DAY.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO OH, IT IS, BUT OKAY, YOU'RE EXPANDING THE, THE, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT PART OF THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE REMODEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR PEOPLE.

I'M TRYING.

NO, TRYING.

UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T SEE ANOTHER FUND THAT, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT FUND 51 AND I I AGREE.

I KNEW THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T, COMMISSIONER.

I DON'T YES, SIR.

YES MA'AM.

SO LINE ONE AND TWO COULD KIND OF OFFSET THAT AMOUNT SINCE THAT WOULD COME DOWN.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.

THE ONE 30, WE PULLED THOSE OUT WITH, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUS MOTION, THOSE MM-HMM .

THOSE WENT AWAY.

SO THERE'S 111,000, WELL THAT, OR 114,000 LEFT.

NO, IT WAS ONE AND TWO SHIFTING THE PAY RANGE.

4%.

YEAH, IT'S A HUNDRED FOURTEEN, FIVE HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO.

COST THAT MUCH.

WELL, WE SHIFTED AT 5% AND OH, THAT'S TRUE.

AND APPROVED THAT MUCH.

SO THAT WE GET BACK CHANGING ALL CLERKS TO SCALE TO UNDER THE 4% SHIFT WOULD'VE BEEN 60,000.

WELL, WE DID IT, WE DID IT, WHICH WAS 79,000.

SO NOW WE HAVE 114,000.

SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.

SO WE, WE WERE ESSENTIALLY THERE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER 80.

WE WERE LOOKING FOR 80 82.

83,000.

SO WE GOT THAT COVERED SOMETHING.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REQUIRES AN AMENDED MOTION, BUT JUST CLARIFICATION.

WE HAVE FOUND THE MONEY IF, IF WE'RE SO INCLINED.

AND THERE'S ONE OTHER, THERE'S ONE OTHER FUND I, I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT, BUT IT'S, IT SAYS IT'S THE SB 22 GRANT.

UM, WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR CLERK POSITIONS, UM, IN KEN'S OFFICE.

KEN'S DEPARTMENT, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IS THAT SOMETHING, UM, I, I'M, I'M GOING TO INVITE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO COME IN AND WATCH ME FIGHT WITH THE COMPTROLLER.

UH, I'VE ENLISTED HALF OF THE COUNTY AS SUPPORT FOR ME.

UH, I, I AM NOT COMPETENT.

SB 22 FUNDS EVEN EXIST AT THIS POINT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO, UM, YOU MEAN FOR FY 26? YEP.

I MEAN, AT ALL.

FOR FY 2025.

SO, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE BUYING CARS WITH THOSE, UH, YOU, I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, MATTER OF FACT, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO PEOPLE WHOSE DUTY IS BEING OUT ON THE STREETS.

UH, THAT PATROL TRAFFIC DID SOMETHING IN THERE.

PATROL, YEAH.

THERE IS, IT'S PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE OUT ON THE STREETS.

STREETS.

SO, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE, WE FUNDED A CLERK IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, DIDN'T WE, KEN? WELL, THE DA IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

THE, THE, THE DA IS ADMINISTERED BY, BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND, AND IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RULES THAN THE SB 22 GRANT FOR THE SHERIFF.

UM, SO YES, SHE, SHE, HERS IS AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, USE OF IT.

OURS, IT CAN'T, IT HAS TO BE PEOPLE WHOSE, WHOSE DUTY IS PATROLLING.

BUDGET OF 80, AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT OF 82,000 CHANGE.

UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER M**K, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA TO ADD THREE PEOPLE WITH A COST.

UH, AND, AND ADD 5.7, NO ADD THE INCREASE GRADE THAT REQUESTED GRADE MOVE GRADE LEVEL UP AS REQUESTED BY THE SHERIFF AT AN IMPACT OF $319,739.

AND YES.

BUT, BUT AN IMPACT TO OUR

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82,000.

744.

THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND ADDING THREE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, SO MM-HMM .

AND THE BUDGET IMPACT HAS BEEN MY ONLY, UM, RESERVATION.

SO IF WE FOUND THE MONEY, OR AT LEAST WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE FOUND THE MONEY, THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT HIRING THREE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.

MY, MY ONLY GOAL WAS TO TRY TO KEEP IT AROUND THE 220,000 TO TRY TO KEEP THE BUDGET WHERE IT WAS.

UM, AGAIN, I MEAN, IF WE SEE IT SHAKE OUT AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, THAT WE'RE OVER, IF WE HAVE ISSUES, I MEAN, IT'S A DEFINITELY A, AN EASY SPOT TO GO GET $80,000 AND I COULDN'T AGREE, BUT FROM, BUT FROM THIS DRAFT TO THAT, I THINK I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE IDEA AS LONG, AS LONG AS WE'RE GIVING THE RAISES AS WELL.

THAT'S BEEN MY BIGGEST RIGHT.

MY BIGGEST HOLD UP.

AND WE FOUND THE 82 7 44 BECAUSE WE DELETED ITEMS ONE AND TWO.

SO I'M GONNA BRING US TO A VOTE AT THIS POINT.

IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHEW.

INDEED.

, I HAVE AN EASY ONE, FOUR AND SEVEN IS JUST MOVING MONEY FOR, UH, THE GEL MAINTENANCE OVERTIME.

I JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT ACCOUNTING MEASURE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.

LET'S REGISTER OUR VOTES NOW, BEFORE WE START ANY CONVERSATION HERE.

PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF THE AUDITOR.

UH, CURRENTLY, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT IS THE FUND TRANSFER THAT'S GOING INTO THIS BUDGET? IS IT STILL 1.1 MILLION OR DO YOU DROP IT TO 1 MILLION BASED UPON THE SHERIFF'S? THE UPDATED ARPA, 1.1 MILLION.

IT'S 1.1 MILLION.

YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT, ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND YOU GONNA BRING UP ABOUT THE FIVE OH THIRD? NO, THE, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS ALSO IN THE FIVE OH THIRD COURT.

I NOTICED THAT THE, THE, WE MADE THE PERSONNEL OF NINE OR 10 MONTHS, UH, BUT WE DIDN'T TOUCH THE OPERATING.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THERE.

MAYBE 75, 80,000 THAT IT'S GONNA COME IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A NINE MONTH BUDGET, WHICH WE MIGHT AS WELL.

SO WE, WE, WE RE WE STARTED THE 503RD, OUR NEW DISTRICT COURT IN JANUARY IS WHAT? RIGHT.

INSTEAD OF BUDGETING OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.

WE'RE STARTING IT IN JANUARY, WHICH GIVES US SEVERAL MONTHS OF SAVINGS.

UH, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY PRORATED THOSE PEOPLE.

WE, WE, WE DID.

WE PRORATED THE PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT THE AUDITOR IS SAYING, THEY DIDN'T PRORATE THE, UH, OFFICE EXPENSES THAT, THAT GO WITH IT.

SO THERE'S, UH, EXPENSES THAT GO COURT, REPORTERS, BAILIFFS, OTHER THINGS WHILE WE'RE NOT HIRING THE PEOPLE, THE EXPENSES OF THE PEOPLE IS STILL IN THERE.

THE BIG, THE BIGGEST ONE, COMMISSIONER LTI IS, UH, UH, DISTRICT JUDGE, COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS.

YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF EXPENSES, THE JUROR EXPENSES, THOSE THINGS ARE STILL AT A FULL 12 MONTHS.

SO IF I TURN THOSE TO A NINE MONTH, I, I GET IT.

I, YEAH, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I DIDN'T LIKE PRO RATING IT THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED ALL THAT MONEY IN 2027.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I WOULDN'T HAVE IN FAVOR OF, SO I WASN'T EITHER.

SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION THEN, JUDGE AND EVERYBODY, WHAT COULD WE DO? COULD WE USE SOME OF THAT FOR THE DA EXPANSION? WE, WE CERTAINLY COULD.

UH, WE CAN, WE CAN.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE WHATEVER.

IS GOING TO THE JAIL EX, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL.

WHATEVER WE DEEM IS APPROPRIATE, WE COULD, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THAT HANGING OVER US.

AND I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER TI HAS ALREADY SAID, I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW ON SOME OF OUR, UH, ON SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENT IS ALL GONE UP IN THE LAST YEAR TO TWO YEARS, TO THREE YEARS.

AND FOR US TO NOT THINK THAT, UM, THE EXPANSION IS NOT GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE OF SOME PER SOME PERCENT IN THE NEXT YEAR TO TWO YEARS.

WELL, THIS IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXPANSION, THE CON CONSTRUCTION.

WELL, WE, WE PUT DOWN A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

RIGHT? OH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DA I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DA COURT.

THE 530.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DA.

NO, BUT THE, I I WAS SAYING, COULD WE THINK ABOUT THAT MONEY WE JUST KIND OF GAVE BACK? COULD WE THINK ABOUT APPLYING SOME OF THAT FOR THE DA EXPANSION? WHAT MONEY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT MONEY? I MUST HAVE ONE, THE 1.1 MILLION OR THE 1 MILLION THAT YOU GUYS, THE YES.

FOR THE, FOR THE 5 0 5 0 1.

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THE ONE FROM GRANT.

NO, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY A 75,000.

WE, WE, OH, I THOUGHT 75,000.

I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.

I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE, BUT THAT, THAT IS JUST PAYING EXPENSES.

THAT, THAT WE, BUDGETING EXPENSES THAT WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WELL, TO YOUR POINT, WILL BE THERE IN 26 AND WE'LL BE THERE AGAIN IN 27.

SO NOT PAYING IT, NOT BUDGETING FOR SOMETHING WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED FOR THREE MONTHS IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT US GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T, IT GIVES US 75,000 THAT WE 75,000 SPEND ELSEWHERE.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT BUDGETING THE COURT FOR THE, I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

COMMISSIONER LTE ABOUT THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE BOOKS THE NEXT TIME IN 27.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THE PRESSURE FROM THE LEGISLATURE ON OUR TAX.

I GET ALL OF THAT FROM, WE'RE ALSO NOT GONNA HAVE A JAIL EXPANSION ON THE BUDGET IN 27.

THERE'S SEVERAL ONE-TIME PROJECTS THAT I, THAT ARE CREATING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THIS BUDGET THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE NEXT BUDGET.

BY JAIL EXPANSION, YOU MEAN SHERIFF'S REMODEL? I MEAN SHERIFF REMODEL.

THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'RE ALWAYS PROJECT, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT OF ARPA MONEY.

WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT OF BOND FUNDS.

WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT OF TAKING FUND BALANCE OUT OF CONTIN FUND BALANCE.

THIS IS COMING FROM MONEY.

WE WON'T, WE WON'T, WE WON'T HAVE ALL THAT $5.7 MILLION IS COMING IN 'CAUSE WE'RE TAKING OUT OF SPECIFIC FUNDS.

AND I WAS NOT RECOMMENDING TO DO IT TO, TO LOWER YOUR TAX RATE.

I WAS RECOMMENDING TO DO IT, TO USE IT TOWARDS EITHER HIGHER CONTINGENCY OR YOUR DA EXPANSION.

I AGREE.

WELL THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHERE I WAS TAKING FROM.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LTE IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT DOING YOURSELVES ANY FAVORS BY LOWERING SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS GONNA BE THERE NEXT YEAR.

SO CAN I BRING UP ANOTHER SUBJECT OR, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT THIS ONE.

IS THERE A MOTION HERE? WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL, THE FULL COVERAGE OF IT IF WE TRY TO, TO, UH, ALLOT THAT 75,000 RIGHT.

WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A, UM, J JUST KNOW, I I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND REDUCE THAT AND IT'LL SHOW UP IN OUR CONTINGENCY.

SO WHAT, WHATEVER.

SO WHAT WHATEVER THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED SPENDING IT FOR THINGS THAT, OR BUDGETING IT FOR THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND IT ON.

SO IT WILL SHOW UP.

WE WILL WE'LL, WE'LL FIGHT THAT BATTLE IN THE FUTURE.

OH, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.

I, I MAKE NO SECRETS OF WHERE I'M HEADED.

THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO, CAN WE CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW OR YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ARE WE STILL ON SOME? LET'S, OKAY.

ARE, ARE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COMMISSIONER M**K? UH, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH WELL, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.

AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN TAKING MOTIONS ON EVERYTHING ELSE ON HERE, NOT HERE.

AND, AND I, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S NOT, WE, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LINE ITEM HERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MOTION TO IT, RIGHT.

AND JUST SAY, WELL, IT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH.

IF, IF A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND, AND COMMISSIONER STACY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY THE ONE THAT HAS WORKED REAL CLOSELY WITH THE DIFFERENT, UM, FIRMS TO GET THESE, THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO I'M IS IF, IF A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS GONNA GET US TO AT LEAST GET HER THE, THE, THE EXPANSION ROLLING.

I'M NOT CERTAIN WHERE THAT ROLE IS GONNA END.

THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS VERY TRUE.

I'M NOT CERTAIN WHERE THAT ROLE IS GONNA END EITHER.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT FROM TRYING TO TAKE THE DUST, SETTLING FROM THE FIRST DRAFT TO A REVISED DRAFT, I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

AND THE MOTION MIGHT BE THE THING THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT INTO CONTINGENCY SO THAT WAY THE AUDITOR CAN ADD IT UP, PUT THE EXTRA IN CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE DAYS OF BUDGET DISCUSSION OR WE COULD PUT IT BACK IN.

AND AS WE STARTED TO, AS THE DUST IS CLEARING ON THE BIG THING, SUCH AS THE PAY GRADE SCALES, UM, AND WHAT WE'RE PAYING THE CLERKS, THE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, IT'S REALLY US DOWN TO, TO WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THE RATE IS.

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF BE, UM, THE NEXT SORT OF DISCUSSION IS WE, WE ARE ALL KIND OF IN AGREEMENT OF WHAT WE WANNA SPEND THE MONEY ON.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RATE OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO COME OUT AFTER WE SEE IT ALL HIT? AND SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, I DO LIKE YOUR IDEA OF MAKING AN MOTION SO IT'S NOT ON THE REVISION SHEET THAT IT ACTUALLY GETS PUT IN THE DRAFT.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARS IS WHEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT YEAH.

OO OF WHAT, OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

UM, IF THAT CONTINGENCY WERE TO HIT.

SO A MOTION DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO INCLUDE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM RIGHT NOW.

NO.

I MEAN, SHE SAID THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL SAVINGS FROM THE FIVE OH THIRD COURT.

SO I WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION OF, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR TO TAKE ADDITIONAL SAVINGS FROM THE FIVE OH THIRD COURT AND PUT IT INTO THE CONTINGENCY.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

I'LL SECOND IT.

I THOUGHT A SECOND WAS GONNA COME BY.

YOU NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY TRICK SOMEBODY INTO A MOTION? IF YOU,

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THANK, THANK YOU.

OH, MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU, .

OKAY, NOW WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT TURN NOW? IS BE MY TURN? YES SIR.

PLEASE.

UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PERSONNEL MATTERS, WHICH YOU SPENT GOOD.

MADE SOME REAL GOOD PROGRESS, I THINK THIS MORNING.

UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT, UH, BRIAN CRENSHAW CAME AND ASKED FOR ANOTHER PERSON.

WE'RE ADDING A NEW COURT.

THERE WILL BE A TON OF WORK IT WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT THIS NEXT YEAR.

HIS ORIGINAL BUDGET REQUEST WAS A SALARY OF $52,000 FOR A IT TECHNICIAN.

UM, AND I THINK THAT I, I HATE TO GRAB THE MONEY.

BOBBY'S NOT EVEN SURE HE'S GOT YET, BUT THAT MONEY THAT WAS GOING FROM PERSONNEL ESSENTIALLY COMING OUT OF THE PROPERTY RECORDS MANAGEMENT, IF WE CAN USE THAT FOR PERSONNEL AND ADJUST THINGS.

I KNOW IT'S NOT DIRECTLY FROM THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, BUT IT PROVIDES FUNDS AVAILABLE 'CAUSE WE'RE USING THEM THERE.

UM, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER, UM, UM, UH, OUR IT DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST FOR ANOTHER TECHNICIAN.

EXCUSE ME, SIR, I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO CALCULATE THAT.

I CAN TELL YOU $52,000 PLUS CAMEO.

TELL ME WHAT THE LOAD IS.

THE, THE ROLL UP OF 15%.

YEAH, WE'RE WAITING ON A NUMBER.

, THAT'S A LOADED COST OF $73,440.

WHAT WAS THAT AMOUNT? $73,440 FOR ONE IT TECHNICIAN.

AND THAT'S LOADED.

SO, UH, DID 1 14 73, 4 40 DID, DID THAT ON THE NEW PAY SCALE? YES.

DID, DID YOU MAKE A FORMAL MOTION COMMISSIONER LIP? NO, BUT I'M FIXING TO.

UM, THANK YOU, UH, KAMI FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A MOTION CONTINGENT UPON AVAILABILITY FUNDS BEING DETERMINED BY LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD ONE IT TECHNICIAN, UM, AT A, UH, SALARY OF ESTIMATED 52 PLUS FULLY LOAD, UH, OF 73 440.

AND THAT THOSE FUNDS, UM, ARE USED FROM GENERAL FUND BASED UPON THE LEGAL FINDINGS, LEGAL APPROVAL OF OUR LEGAL, OH, THIS CONT CONT YOU ARE HAVING CONTINGENT UPON OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENTS APPROVING THE USE OF THE RECORD MANAGEMENT FUND AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER GOANA IN A MOTION EARLIER TODAY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.

I'M GONNA SECOND THAT.

WELL DONE.

SECOND, THE GREATEST MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING, UH, HEADCOUNT, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ADD TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, OF VAC JUST THE HEADCOUNT NOT FUNDED, UH, WI WITH THE HOPES THAT SB 22 FUNDS WILL SHOW UP AND, AND THE DA CAN USE THOSE AT HER DISCRETION.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SO WE HAVE MY MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE NEED TO SAY THE AMOUNT? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT.

WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT.

HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ENOUGH TODAY WHERE WE CAN GET OUR, OUR, OUR BOND INFORMATION FROM HILLTOP, UH, AND THEN WE CAN RECONVENE WEDNESDAY AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN BRING THIS THING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.

OH, I'VE GOT A VOTE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHAT DOES THAT BRING US TO THE END? THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S GETTING US REALLY CLOSE TO, TO HAVING THE BIG, BIG STONES PUSHED UP THIS MOUNTAIN WHERE WE CAN NOW SIT AND HAVE A DIS DISCUSSION.

UM, YEAH.

AND, AND I THINK WE MAYBE HAVE,

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WE'RE REET ON THURSDAY, THUR.

OOH.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

NO, THAT WAS MY ERROR.

AND JUDGE, UM, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, UH, INFORMED US THAT THEY, THAT WERE, WERE SHOOTING FOR GETTING NUMBERS FROM THEM ON THE 5.7 SHIFT RANGE.

UH, THAT CHANGE THAT YOU MADE TODAY, THEY'RE PROMISING THEM HOPEFULLY BY NOON TOMORROW.

SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT WE INPUT.

SO AFTERNOON SOMETIME TOMORROW, WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU A, A COPY TO REVIEW.

NO, THAT, THAT'LL BE GOOD IN COURT.

I THINK THAT WHAT THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH DO IS ON THURSDAY, IT WOULD GIVE US SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD.

AND THEN FRIDAY WOULD KIND OF BE THE FINAL.

I, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD GOAL INTO TUESDAY.

LET'S BUTTON IT UP TOMORROW.

HOLDING OUT A SMALL CHANCE THAT MAYBE WE GET ACROSS THE FAN OR NOT TOMORROW.

FORGIVE ME AGAIN, THURSDAY, UH, WITH A SMALL CHANCE WE GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, BUT IF NOT, WE FORCE OURSELVES ACROSS THE FINISH LINE FRIDAY.

NOW, WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO HERE TODAY, SO YES, WE DO.

SO SET, SETTLE BACK FOR A MINUTE.

UM, THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY TAX RATE FOR, I'M SORRY, AGENDA ITEM SIX.

MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE COUNTY CLERK'S ARCHIVE PLAN FY 2026 FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION, THE COUNTY CLERK'S RECORDS, ARCHIVES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SIX.

UH, THE TAX RATE FOR 2025 AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE.

WE ARE NOT AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN TAKE A RECORD VOTE TODAY.

SO WE WILL

[7. Discuss/Act on approving the County Clerk's Archive Plan FY2026 for the Preservation and Restoration of the County Clerk's Records Archives, and all related issues; (Judge New - County Clerk) ]

WE HAVE, UH, MOVED THAT PUBLIC NOTICE OR CONTINUED THAT PUBLIC NOTICE TO THURSDAY.

SO WE WON'T BE TAKING ANY ACTION ON THAT.

WAIT, WE CAN'T ACT ON IT TODAY.

WE, WE, WE SHOULD NOT ACT ON IT.

NO, SIR.

WE STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CAN WE DISCUSS IT? UH, WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN.

OKAY, GOOD.

I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.

IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,093,240 AND 40 CENTS.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL ON A, LET LET ME CLEAR UP SINCE I WAS VERY RASH AND MOVING FORWARD.

WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE COUNTY CLERK'S ARCHIVE PLAN FY 2026 FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S RECORD ARCHIVES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

GOOD.

AND I'M GLAD WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.

IT'LL GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND IT'LL GIVE, UH, MS. FOG A CHANCE TO, UH, TO MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS.

SHE HAS, I, UM, FULLY INTEND TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE OUR ARCHIVE FEE BECAUSE WE'VE NOW GOT A FUND BALANCE, ARCHIVE FUND BALANCE OF $1,856,268 AND 19 CENTS.

WE HAVE PROPOSED USE NEXT YEAR OF $126,000, BUT PROPOSED INCOME OF $217,000 BASED UPON THE INFORMATION WE PER WE WERE PROVIDED.

THIS MONEY CAN HARDLY BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN PRESERVING OLD DOCUMENTS.

AND WE, BASED UPON WHAT MS. FOGG TOLD ME, UH, IN AN EMAIL EXCHANGE, UM, ALL SHE'S GOT'S GONNA SPEND NEXT YEAR IS $126,000.

SO WHY ARE WE CHARGING PEOPLE 217,000 TO PUT IT IN A FUND WE DON'T NEED.

SO I, UNLESS, UH, SOMETHING CHANGES, JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THAT I FULLY EXPECT WHEN WE DO GET TO VOTE ON THIS TO MAKE A MOTION TO REDUCE THIS TO $5.

NOW YOU COULD ASK WHY NOT REDUCE IT MORE? AND I COULD BE PERSUADED TO REDUCE IT TO $1, BUT $5 BASICALLY WILL COVER OUR COST FOR NEXT YEAR AND LEAVE THE BALANCE WHERE IT IS.

UM, BECAUSE IF THE LAW CHANGES EVER, WE COULD USE THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON JUST TO STACK UP MONEY.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

[8. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]

ALL.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLLS.

MS. LISA? YES, SIR.

WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT TO YOU SOME UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,214,261 AND 71 CENTS.

AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL, MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

AND I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO YOU FOR A PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING AUGUST 30TH, 2025

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AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.

SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE.

THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

DOES THAT CLEAR US UP, LISA? YES.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 11.

[11. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]

COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS.

LET'S START, LET'S GO NUMERICALLY.

I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS A AND M ON THEIR GREAT VICTORY.

OH, NO.

ON THIS LAST WEEKEND.

NO, SIR.

WE, WE HAVE STARTED IT ALREADY.

UM, IT'S KINDA LIKE A FUMBLED EXTRA POINT THERE.

UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, LET EVERYONE KNOW IN THE COURT AND IT'S LISTENING.

UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL BE, UM, HAVING COFFEE AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TOMORROW WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEMBERS AND TALKING ALL THINGS ABOUT COUNTY BUSINESS.

LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

EACH ONE OF US WILL BE, DO, WILL BE HAVING A LITTLE ROLE LOOKING FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER LICK DE ARE YOU GONNA DEFEND THE FIGHTING IRISH? MY ROAD IS AN OPTION.

NO COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER STACY, AFTER THAT, I HAVE NOTHING.