Sep 23, 2025 Commissioners Court Regular Meeting

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

[b) Proclamation- Bev Stibbens- Service to the Community of McLendon-Chisholm]

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

NEW, IT IS A GREAT, UH, HONOR, AND FRANKLY, A PLEASURE TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION HONORING BEV STUBBINS.

WHEREAS BEV AMBROSE WAS RAISED IN ILLINOIS AND GRADUATED FROM PANNA SENIOR HIGH PANNA, ILLINOIS IN 1973.

AND WHEREAS BEV MET HER HUSBAND NEIL STEBBENS ON A BLIND DATE IN THE SUMMER OF 1976, AND THEY WERE MARRIED IN 1977.

AND WHEREAS BEV AND NEIL MOVED TO MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS IN 1980.

AND WHEREAS BEV HAS SELFLESSLY, AND I MEAN THAT SELFLESSLY COMMITTED HERSELF TO SERVING HER COMMUNITY.

AND IN DOING SO, SHE HAS BEEN A PART OF SEVERAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS HELPING HANDS, ROCKWELL COUNTY OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE, WOMEN IN NEED, THE CHOCOLATE INDULGENCE COMMITTEE.

DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT SOUNDS GOOD.

, THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, DALLAS AREA, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, AND THE VOLUNTEER CENTER FOR NORTH AMERICA.

AND WHEREAS BEV'S LOVE FOR HER COMMUNITY AND SENSE OF SERVICE HAS LED HER TO HOLD NEARLY EVERY ROLE OR SEAT WITHIN THE CITY OF MCLENNAN CHISHOLM, INCLUDING SERVING ON CITY COUNCIL FOR 22 YEARS AS MAYOR PRO TEM FOR EIGHT YEARS, CHAIRMAN OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR NINE YEARS, COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING AND ZONING, MEMBER OF THE CONCEPT PLANNING COMMITTEE IN 2021, COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY CHARTER, 20 24, 25, AND CAPPING THIS SERVICE COMMITMENT WITH THE HONOR OF MOST RECENTLY BEING THE FIRST PERSON TO HAVE THE TITLE MCCLENDON CITY MANAGER.

AND WHEREAS BEV WAS NAMED CITIZEN OF THE YEAR IN 2003 BY THE CITY OF MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, AND WAS ROCK WALL'S FOR OPTIMIST, NOMINEE FOR WOMEN OF DISTINCTION IN 2003 AS WELL.

NOW, THEREFORE, IN RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT BEV IS THE DEFINITION OF A SERVANT LEADER, THE UNDERSIGNED BEING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY JUDGE, AND ALL COMMISSIONERS SERVING ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT DO HEREBY EXTEND TO BEV DIBBS RECOGNITION FOR HER MANY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO ROCKWALL COUNTY AND THANK HER FOR HER SERVICE.

I, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF YOU DON'T COME, SAY SOMETHING YOUR MAYOR WILL.

SO, I MEAN, I, I CLEARLY HAVE NO SECRETS FROM COMMISSIONER LITTKY.

HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

HEY, AND WHILE YOU'RE GETTING READY, CHOCOLATE INDULGENCE IS WOMEN IN NEEDS BIG FUNDRAISER EVERY YEAR, FEBRUARY, AND IT IS JUST AS AWESOME AS IT SOUNDS, IT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

MORE CHOCOLATE THAN YOU COULD EVER WANT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUDGE NEW AND COMMISSIONERS FOR HONORING ME TODAY.

LIKE I SAID, NO SECRETS FROM COMMISSIONER LIPKEY.

HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

THE BLIND DATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DUG THAT UP, BUT IT WAS, SO, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR SUPPORTING MCLENNAN CHISHOLM IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE.

YOU HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT WITH MY PREDECESSOR, UH, WITH MY SUCCESSOR FABRICE KIMONA.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I HOPE TO SEE Y'ALL AT LUNCH TODAY.

THANK YOU, BOB.

ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM.

IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.

NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP, BUT THAT WON'T PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED.

ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU, NO ONE.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA

[2. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the proposed FY2026 Budget for Rockwall County, and all related issues; The proposed budget may be viewed at https://rockwallcountytexas.com/;]

ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED FY 2026 BUDGET FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN COME FORWARD NOW, SEEING NO ONE AT 9 0 8, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM

[3. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the proposed 2025 Tax Rate (Fiscal Year 2026) for Rockwall County, and all related issues; The proposed budget may be viewed at https://rockwallcountytexas.com/;]

THREE, PUBLIC HEARING, THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED 2025 TAX RATE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES AT 9 0 9.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, SEEING NO ONE AT 9 0 9.

I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

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WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA

[4. PUBLIC HEARING (Continuation of Public Hearing Postponed on September 9, 2025) to discuss the County Clerk’s Archive Plan FY2026 for the Preservation and Restoration of the County Clerk's Records Archives, and all related issues]

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING POSTPONED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY CLERK'S ARCHIVE PLAN FY 2026 FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S, RECORDS, ARCHIVES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES AT 9 0 9.

I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, SEEING NO ONE AT NINE 10.

I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WILL MOVE ON.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER.

I'M GONNA

[7. Discuss/Act on approving the County Clerk’s Archive Plan FY2026 for the Preservation and Restoration of the County Clerk’s Records Archives, and all related issues; (Judge New- County Clerk)]

JUMP TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE COUNTY CLERK'S ARCHIVE PLAN FY 2026 FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S, RECORDS, ARCHIVES, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

WE'VE HAD A LITTLE TIME TO REVIEW THIS.

IS THERE ANY, UH, ANYONE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I, I SEE MS. FOG IS WILLING TO SPEAK FIRST, SO I'LL LET HER GO.

THAT ALSO GOES TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT GLS AND I COULD SEE THAT THAT COULD IMPACT THE FUNDS HOUSE BILL 2282, WHILE IT INCREASED WARRANT FEES FROM $50 TO $75.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE RECORD ARCHIVE FUND.

THE RECORD ARCHIVES PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT I AM REQUIRED STATUTORILY TO PROVIDE TO YOU ANNUALLY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT REVIEWS AND APPROVES.

I HAVE SOME LEGISLATION THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE.

SO BEFORE I GO INTO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NON-TAX PAYER FUND, UM, THAT I COLLECT FEES FOR THROUGH VARIOUS DOCUMENTS SUCH AS REAL ESTATE DOCUMENTS, MARRIAGE LICENSES, DBAS, AND ASSUMED NAMES, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I SAID BRANDS.

SO, UM, THIS, THIS ACCOUNT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR MANY REASONS.

FIRST, I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT SENATE BILL 1547.

UM, THIS COST IS SIGNIFICANT.

THE, UM, PRODUCT SALES THAT I PULLED IS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY RECORDS DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, BUT THE, THE COPY FEES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OF AN IMPACT OF $6,578 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT I COLLECT FOR, UM, COPIES AT THIS POINT.

IT COULD INCLUDE ELECTRONIC COPIES PRIOR TO THE LAW CHANGING, WHICH WAS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON THE LEGISLATURE PASSING IT.

UM, MY CONCERN IS GREAT BECAUSE $6,000 ADDS UP QUICKLY.

IT MAY SEEM LIKE A SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO OUR BUDGET, BUT IT IS IMPACTING THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO.

SENATE BILL 1760 REDUCES THE FUNDING TO SEVERAL FUNDS DUE TO REDUCING THE GUARDIANSHIP TRANSFER FEE FROM $80, I'M SORRY, FROM $350 TO $80.

THIS DOES GO TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS, AND, UM, SOME OF IT DOES GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.

NOW, LOWERING THE AMOUNT, UM, WAS AGAIN DONE IN AUSTIN, UM, NOT MY FAVORITE, UM, CHARGE TO BE LOWERED BECAUSE THIS HAS TO DO WITH TRANSFERRING OF GUARDIANSHIP CASES, $350 DOWN TO $80, EVEN THOUGH THAT $80 DOES GO DIRECTLY INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

IT'S AN IMPACT, AND IT'S AN IMPACT FOR ALL OF US.

THE, UM, THE COURT'S OMNIBUS BILL, HOUSE BILL 16 FROM THE 89TH SECOND SPECIAL SESSION DID INCREASE, UM, THE BOND APPROVAL FEE FROM $3 TO $5 TO BE IN LINE WITH THE DISTRICT CLERK.

BUT $3 TO $5 $2 IS NOT SIGNIFICANT OF AN INCREASE CONSIDERING THE OTHER LOSSES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

SENATE BILL 1537 NOW REQUIRES AN INTERPRETER BE APPOINTED IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND ENGLISH WHEN A MOTION IS FILED FOR AN APPOINTMENT OF AN INTERPRETER IN A, A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT FUND THAT GOES INTO, BUT MY CONCERN ARE MY SPECIAL FUNDS THAT I COLLECT THROUGH DOCUMENT FILINGS IN MY OFFICE, AS WELL AS SOMETHING THAT COULD IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, THIS IS NOT MY LANE, BUT SENATE BILL 1734 DISALLOWS, THE DISTRICT CLERK FROM COLLECTING FILING FEES FOR A PETITION FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW,

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THIS MICROPHONE SOUNDS GREAT, BY THE WAY, SO THANK YOU.

IT, UM, AND SO EVEN THOUGH THAT, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH FUND THAT GOES INTO, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WE TALK ABOUT MY SPECIAL FUNDS.

UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL JUDICIAL FEE CHANGES ARE EFFECTIVE 1 1 26 STATUTORILY, AND, UM, HOUSE BILL OF 44 66, I'M NOW REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FREE BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD IF THE REQUEST IS RELATED TO A PARENT-CHILD RELATIONSHIP, AND THE CASE IS FILED BY A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY UNDER THE FAMILY CODE.

SO THESE ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

UM, THE 2020 FY 2026 ARCHIVE PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT A FEW COMMISSIONERS COURTS AGO.

I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHICH ONE IT WAS.

UM, AND SO THIS PLAN IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO BE PROVIDED WITH ON THE COURT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU MY PROJECTED REVENUE, AND IT GIVES YOU ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THUS FAR BY THE FORMER COUNTY CLERK AS WELL AS BY MYSELF.

AND SO WHEN I PRESENT THIS PLAN, THE FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR FY 2026 ARE THE, THE ARCHIVAL FUND FEE.

AND SO, UM, I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

THE PRESERVATION PROJECTS ARE CONTINUING.

I DON'T SEE ANY END IN SIGHT FOR THE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS.

AND SO I DO ANTICIPATE, UM, LIKE I SAID HERE, UH, REHOUSING, PLATS, AND NEW ENVELOPES.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

WE'RE, WE'RE A A GREAT COUNTY TO PROVIDE THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.

AND IF I CAN DO THAT BY NOT USING TAXPAYER FUNDS, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA DO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH PRESSURE WITH TRYING TO COME UP WITH FUNDS ON THE GENERAL FUND.

AND SO IF I CAN DO THAT BY USING SPECIAL FUNDS, I WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THE, UM, THERE IS A CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN BID ON, I'M SORRY, NOT BID ON IT HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY ME AND COFI, WHO HAS BEEN DOING ALL OF MY PRESERVATION AS WELL AS THE FORMER COUNTY CLERK.

AND SO THAT CONTRACT, WHILE I DO NOT HAVE THAT AMOUNT WITH ME, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND, UH, COMMISSIONER LTI, UM, WAS IT AROUND 120, $126,000.

AND SO THAT BEING IN MY RECORD ARCHIVE PLAN, I DO PLAN ON SPENDING PART OF MY 1.8 MILLION THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY IN THAT FUND THAT'S NON TAXPAYER FUNDED ON EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ON.

UM, OF COURSE, I DON'T, I DON'T NUMBER MY PAGES, BUT IT IS ON THE REMAINING PROJECT PAGE.

AND, UM, THERE ARE ALSO MICROPHONE MICROFILM ROLES THAT NEED TO BE DIGITIZED THAT HASN'T BEEN STARTED, OR, UM, AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A QUOTE FOR THAT YET, BUT I DO PLAN ON, UH, BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO THE COURT.

THIS $10 FEE FOR THE RECORD ARCHIVE FUND, UM, HAS BEEN COLLECTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

BACK IN 2003, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DETERMINED THAT A RECORD ARCHIVE FEE OF $5 WAS NEEDED TO ENABLE THE COUNTY CLERK TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DOCUMENTS AS THE RECORD KEEPER FOR THE COUNTY.

I THINK THAT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT AT $10.

UM, I, I FEEL QUITE A STING AS ALL THE OTHER COUNTY CLERKS DO, UM, WITH SENATE BILL 1547 REDUCING WHAT WE MAY CHARGE THE PUBLIC FOR ELECTRONIC COPIES OF DOCUMENTS, UH, PERTAINING TO PROPERTY.

IT ADDS UP AND IT ADDS UP QUICKLY.

UM, MY, MY FEAR OF COURSE IS THAT NEXT, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA COME AFTER NEXT? WHAT DO THEY WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM, FROM YOU AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FROM ALLOWING ME TO BE ABLE TO USE IN THE FUTURE FOR PRESERVATION PROJECTS? THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN OF MINE, ESPECIALLY SEEING WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST SESSION.

UM, MY TOTAL BUDGET IS ABOUT 4.9 MILLION.

THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR.

THAT'S WHAT I PUT IN FOR, UH, WITH 2,865,000 BEING FROM NON TAXPAYER FUNDS DUE TO THE FEES THAT I COLLECT WHENEVER SOMEBODY FILES A DOCUMENT IN MY OFFICE, UM, AS OF SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025, MY EXPENSES ARE $1,154,122 AND 89 CENTS AS OF SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025.

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UM, I'M VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT I SPEND MONEY ON.

UM, I'M, I'M A GOOD STEWARD WITH THE TAXPAYER FUNDS AS WELL AS THE, UM, SPECIAL FUNDS THAT I HAVE.

UM, I DON'T OVERSPEND AND I, UM, TRY TO DO THE BEST THAT I CAN WITH SPENDING THOSE, THOSE FUNDS.

UM, OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 THROUGH 9 22 OF 25, MY ARCHIVAL FUND HAS COLLECTED $266,290.

THIS IS, I'M GONNA GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT.

MY RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND HAS COLLECTED $269,190.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE ARE BOTH $10 FEES AND IT IS MARRIAGE LICENSES.

BRANDS ASSUME NAMES AND PROPERTY RECORDINGS AGAIN WITH SENATE BILL 1547, REMOVING THE RIGHT TO CHARGE PROPERLY FOR ELECTRONIC COPIES OF REAL PROPERTY RECORDS, WHILE PEOPLE WILL STILL PAY THE REGULAR AMOUNT, A DOLLAR A PAGE FOR PRINTED COPIES.

BUT WHY DO THAT IF YOU CAN GET AN ELECTRONIC COPY FOR LESS? AND SO NOW I HAVE TO USE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FEE COST ESTIMATE, AND THAT IS QUITE A TASK, UM, FOR MY STAFF AND I TO RUN THROUGH, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE OTHER COUNTY CLERKS AND COMBO CLERKS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.

IT'S, IT'S REALLY PUT THE ONUS ON, ON THE CLERK.

AND, UM, I SEE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UM, I SEE MYSELF BEING REPORTED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

I'LL GLADLY TAKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS ATTENTION AS FAR AS SENATE BILL 1547 GOES, AND I DO PLAN ON WORKING ON THAT, ON LEGISLATION.

THE, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO COVER.

UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC.

DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, YES.

YES, I DO.

UM, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT YOU USING NON TAXPAYER FUNDS AND AT AT ITS FEES, SO TO SPEAK, DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR, YOUR FEES THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING ARE FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY RESIDENTS? NO, MA'AM.

NOW, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S HOW TO REALLY FRAME IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY THESE ARE NON TAXPAYER FUNDS.

THAT'S HOW YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.

WHO ELSE IS PAYING THEM? THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT.

IT'S TAXPAYER MONEY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT FILE THINGS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE EITHER, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY IN OUR COUNTY THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, AND THEY PAY TAXES.

AND PEOPLE WHO FILE THINGS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIVE HERE, THEY PAY TAXES.

SO LET'S NOT CALL THESE NON-TAX PAYER FUNDS.

LET ME REPHRASE IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I, SO I'M FINE WITH, AS YOU'VE STATED IT, I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT YOU.

THESE ARE TAXPAYER FUNDS.

OKAY? WHENEVER I'M PROPERTY TAXES, THEY'RE NOT AVALOR TAXES, BUT THEY'RE TAXPAYER FUNDS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS CLARIFY THE FACT THAT THESE ARE IN MY, MY TERMINOLOGY IS DIFFERENT FROM, FROM YOURS IN THE WAY THAT I'M THINKING WHENEVER I PUT MY BUDGET TOGETHER.

WHEN I'M SAYING NON TAXPAYER FUNDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL FEES THAT I COLLECT WHENEVER I SOMEBODY FILES A DOCUMENT IN MY OFFICE.

AND SO THAT'S, I APOLOGIZE THAT IT CAME ACROSS THAT WAY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO LESSEN THE BLOW FOR THE TAXPAYER WHO DOES COME IN TO RECORD DOCUMENTS WHENEVER THEY PURCHASE PROPERTY OR SELL PROPERTY, OR THEY PURCHASE A MARRIAGE LICENSE.

PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE, THE STATES TO GET MY MARRIAGE LICENSES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FANCY.

UM, NOW, SO ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR THAT BECAUSE I I DEFINITELY DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT.

THE, THE TWO FUNDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ARCHIVE FUND AND THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND, I CALL THEM NON TAXPAYER FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND FUNDED BY THE TAXPAYER.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

BUT IT, IT, TO SOME DEGREE IT IS.

YES, MA'AM.

BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING, THEY, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, AS AS COMMISSIONER LUTY SAID, THEY STILL ARE PAYING A, IN A TAX IN THERE TAX, YES.

TO ROCKWALL COUNTY, YES.

OR SOMEWHERE.

BUT YES.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. FOG? MRS. FOG? ALL RIGHT.

DISCUSSION.

UM, I'D LIKE TO START THIS OUT IF WE COULD JUDGE.

FOR THE GREAT WORK SHE DOES.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK, UH, MS. FOG

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WE ALL KNOW SHE WORKS VERY HARD.

WE KNOW SHE HAS A TAXING JOB.

SHE'S OUT REPRESENTING US ACROSS THE STATE ON MANY OCCASIONS.

AS SHE POINTED OUT.

SHE WORKS WITH THE LEGISLATURE TRYING TO GET BILLS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY.

AND I WANT TO GIVE HER LAW, I WANT TO GIVE HER, UM, CONGRATULATIONS AND HONOR FOR ALL THAT.

HOWEVER, THIS, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

UM, THE, UH, SHE REFERENCED SEVERAL CHARGES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN, THE ELECTRONIC COPY CHARGE AND OTHER CHARGES THAT THE CON THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S TAKING AWAY FROM HER, THIS ARCHIVAL FEE MONEY DOESN'T GO FOR THAT, AND IT DOESN'T REPLACE FOR THAT.

OKAY? IN FACT, IT IS VERY LIMITED.

IT, AND IT, IT'S MORE LIMITED THAN THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW WE ARE ABLE TO USE FOR OTHER THINGS.

BUT ARCHIVAL MANAGEMENT, OR THIS ARCHIVAL FUNDS FEE MAY BE EXPENDED ONLY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF A COUNTY CLERK'S RECORDS ARCHIVE.

THAT'S VERY LIMITED.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHEN YOU MADE YOUR PRESENTATION IN JUNE, I THINK I TRIED TO ASK, HEY, COULD WE GET SOME OF THIS MONEY THAT'S SITTING THERE? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

AND I GET THAT.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA LIVE BY.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BUDGETED FEE OF $10 THAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGING, AS YOU SAID, FOR YEARS.

AND THAT'S INTERESTING THAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGING IT FOR YEARS.

IN THE BUDGET, YOU SHOW ONE USE FOR THESE ARCHIVE FUNDS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

AND THAT'S $126,000 FOR YOUR COFI CONTRACT, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTA USE IT FOR.

BUT WE'RE SHOWING COLLECTIONS OF $217,000, WHICH MEANS WE'RE COLLECTING ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN WE'RE SPENDING FROM OUR TAXPAYERS.

OKAY? UM, AND IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE A ARCHIVE FUND BALANCE OF $1,856,268 AND 19 CENTS AS OF AUGUST 8TH, AND I'M SURE IT'S GROWN SINCE THEN.

SO I, I'M GLAD WE'RE USING, I'M GLAD WE GET TO COLLECT THIS.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE ARCHIVING OUR FEES, BUT WHEN WE'RE COLLECTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR MORE THAN WE NEED TO, AND WE'RE BUILDING UP A FUND OF $1.8 MILLION THAT I KNOW MAYBE WE CAN USE IN THE FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED ANYTHING.

MY PROPOSAL TO THIS COURT IS THAT WE CHARGE A FEE OF $5, WHICH IS BASICALLY SUFFICIENT TO COVER UNDER HER PROJECTIONS, THE AMOUNT SHE PLANS TO SPEND NEXT YEAR, WE WOULDN'T BE DENTING THAT $1.8 MILLION SURPLUS WE GOT, IF AT ALL, WOULDN'T BE MUCH.

AND IF NEXT YEAR THIS IS WRONG, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY YEAR.

IF THERE'S, NEXT YEAR THERE'S A NEW PROGRAM AND YOU WANNA SPEND $217,000 AND YOU'VE GOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, THEN I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO VOTE.

LET'S RAISE THIS FEE TO $10.

BUT FOR THIS YEAR, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY JUSTIFIED, AND WE DO HAVE A $1.8 MILLION BUDGET SURPLUS, IF IN THAT FUND, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN USE IT FOR, I'M GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE LOWER THAT FEE OF $5.

I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT MOTION NOW, BECAUSE I KNOW OTHERS OF YOU MAY HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION THAT I AM USING RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS TO FUND THE RAISES FOR MY STAFF THAT YOU'RE APPROVING, AND THAT THAT ACCOUNT IS GOING TO DWINDLE DOWN.

AND, UM, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT THAT THE COURT IS GOING TO.

IT'S ABOUT $1.8 MILLION, ALSO ALMOST 1.9 MILLION FOR MY STAFF'S, FOR YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

OH, NO, NO.

UM, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS FOR MY STAFF'S RAISES, THAT WILL BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE, I THINK, RECORDS THAT ARE FILED IN MY OFFICE.

RIGHT? IT'S 1,000,909 AS OF SEPTEMBER THE EIGHTH.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT TAKING 225,000 OF YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

THINGS ADD UP, RIGHT? THE LOSS OF THE $6,000 APPROXIMATELY IN REVENUE FOR THE ELECTRONIC COPIES, UM, IF WE TOOK EVEN MORE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, UM, FROM OFFICE SUPPLIES AND LEFT 6,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND AND MOVE THE OTHER TWO RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

THAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT I'M LOOKING FOR THE $225,000 THAT IS COVERING MY STAFF'S RAISES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO.

UM, I DO, UH, I DO ALSO USE OFFICE SUPPLIES AND OTHER THINGS.

I PAY FOR MY TWO PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING ALL OF THE, THE TAXES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU CALL FULLY LOADED, UM, OUT OF, UH, RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THIS OR NOT, BUT THE LITTLE

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AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

WELL, BUT, BUT I THINK, EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE CONFUSING THE ISSUE.

I, I GET YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND AND THANK YOU FOR OFFERING, WHICH YOU DID ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

YOU CAME IN AND SAID, CAN YOU, YOU GUYS CAN USE MY RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND TO FUND THE GRADE INCREASES FOR YOUR STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE DID THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE FUND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THESE ARCHIVE FUNDS CAN'T BE MOVED OVER TO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT FUND.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A, THAT YOU USED YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND IS LAUDATORY, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT THE ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING.

YOU'RE CORRECT, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE ARCHIVE FUND FEE OF $10.

I CAN SHIFT MY FOCUS BACK TO THAT.

AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GETTING A QUOTE FOR SOMETHING.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? IS THAT GONNA BE OUT OF THE ARCHIVE FUND? THE QUOTE THAT I DID RECEIVE AND PRESENT WITH MY BUDGET OF 185 PAGES, UM, IT WAS IN THERE, AND THAT WAS FOR COFI, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 126,000.

OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING? YES, SIR.

AND THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING ELSE IN MY RECORDS ARCHIVE PLAN, AND IT'S, UH, REGARDING MICROFILM.

AND I HAVE TOO MUCH PAPER UP HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID WITH MY REC.

OH, THERE, IT'S, AND SO THIS WAS THE MICROFILM ROLES BEING DIGITIZED WITH IMAGE ENHANCEMENT.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN STARTED, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A QUOTE FOR THAT.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE PAID FOR OUTTA MY RECORDS ARCHIVE FUND.

SO THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.

WHAT, WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE? SO, SO CONVERTING OLD DOCUMENTS TO MICRO MICROFILM IS, IS ONE PLAN.

WHAT, WHAT OTHER PLANS DO YOU HAVE FOR THE I DO HAVE, UM, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE COURT AT A FUTURE DATE.

UM, THIS IS REGARDING DIFFERENT SOFTWARES THAT ARE AI, IT, IT'S WITHIN A VENDOR THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT WOULD, SO WHENEVER I REQUEST ALL OF MY FUNDS OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS FOR THOSE TWO FUNDS, UM, IT DOES ALLOW ME TO BRING YOU CONTRACTS THAT YOU CAN APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, UM, IN, IN THE FUTURE AS WELL, AS LONG AS I ASK FOR THE FUNDS.

AND ALSO HAVING, KEEPING IN MIND THAT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, AND LET'S JUST, I DON'T EVEN WANNA SPEAK IT, BUT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND AS THE CLERK OF YOUR COURT, I WOULD FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY AND ABROAD HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR US SEE US.

AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF, UM, CAPTIONING, AUTO CAPTIONING FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T HEAR.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALANA.

WOULD THAT COME OUTTA THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND, THOUGH? BUT NOT THE ARCHIVE FUND? I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT AN ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT WITHIN ROCKWELL COUNTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, THE ARCHIVE FUND FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE BE REDUCED TO $5 PER DOCUMENT.

HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

I'LL EN ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER MOTIONS IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ARCHIVE PLAN AS PRESENTED BY THE COUNTY CLERK, WHICH WOULD BE A $10 FEE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW IT PASSES FOUR TO ONE.

WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY BUDGET FOR FY 2026, EXCUSE ME.

AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

DONE THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT.

SO, AND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THERE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES.

WE, WE, EVERY ONE OF US, EVERY ONE OF US SAID OUT LOUD, WE ARE DONE WITH THE BUDGET

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WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALL TO BLAME FOR WHERE WE SIT RIGHT HERE TODAY.

UH, AND, AND WE ON ALL HONESTLY, BELIEVED WE WERE DONE WITH THE BUDGET, BUT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME CALCULATIONS.

WE, UH, USED SOME INCOME FOR OUR CALCULATION COMING FROM MCCLENDON CHISHOLM THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, AND VERY, OH, I'M NOT GONNA SAY VERY LIKELY POSSIBILITY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO A VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA KNOW IF, IF THAT'S APPROVED FOR A WHILE.

BUT WE, WE HAD THAT MONEY IN OUR CALCULATIONS, UH, AND IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR CALCULATIONS.

WE HAD ANOTHER ERROR IN OUR AGREEMENTS WITH ROYCE CITY.

WE'D HAD A VERBAL AGREEMENT TO GO FROM 120 TO 170 TO TWO 20 FOR DISPATCH, YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE AND BEYOND.

AND OUR AGREEMENT, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS LEFT AT THE FIRST YEAR DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO INSTEAD OF BEING $170,000, WE CAPTURE IT'S ONLY $120,000, WHICH IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

WE CAN, UM, COULD GO GO TO ROYCE CITY AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD THIS AGREEMENT, AND I THINK THEY WOULD AGREE TO IT.

SAVE FOR THE FACT THEY JUST APPROVED THEIR BUDGET BASED ON 120.

UH, WE JUST FINISHED OUR BUDGET BASED ON 170.

SO THERE'S A $50,000 SHORTFALL THERE.

UH, WERE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT THAT'S, WE, WE CAN FIND 50,000 PRETTY EASY.

UM, THAT SHOULD, BUT IT, IT IS, DOESN'T IT SAY IN THE AGREEMENT IT'S THE $264,000, UH, DEPUTY FROM MCCLENDON CHISHOLM THAT DOES THE, DOES THE ILA NOT SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO ONE 70? IT DOES NOT.

UM, I PULLED THE ILA TODAY, UM, IN ROYCE CITY.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

UH, IT SAYS ONE 20.

UM, AND IT WAS, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S A GOOD AGREEMENT.

THE CITY OF FATE, HOWEVER, DOES SAY THAT FOR FY 2025, IT GOES TO ONE 70.

OKAY? UM, SO IF WE ARE, IF WE NEED, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, WE GOTTA SOLVE THIS TODAY.

WE DO.

IT'S GOTTA BE DONE TODAY.

TODAY IS THE DAY BY 1159 TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA WALK OUTTA HERE WITH AN APPROVED BUDGET.

YOU ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.

AND I'M PREPARED TO STAY HERE THAT LONG IF WE NEED TO.

UM, SO I, I JUST WANNA RESTATE ONE GOAL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EVERYBODY'S GOAL.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I'VE BEEN DONE THIS BEFORE AND FOUND, BEEN SURPRISED.

UM, BUT I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A 1% CONTINGENCY.

THAT'S WHAT WE STATED WEEKS AGO.

15,000 OF IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET WITH EQUINE THERAPY.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY NODDED THEIR HEAD AND SAID, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD GOAL.

WELL, THAT MEANS WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH, BASED UPON THIS TOTAL EXPENDITURES ABOUT, UH, $591,000, AND WE'VE, UH, THAT MEANS WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH ABOUT THREE OR $400,000 THIS MORNING TO FIND $384,602.

OKAY? SO, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO GET STARTED DOING THAT.

UM, WE'VE GOT THREE OPTIONS.

I THINK ONE IS TO INCREASE OUR TAX RATE ABOVE THE 0.2499, WHICH WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT EVERYONE SEEMED TO WANT TO DO THAT EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON WHO DIDN'T.

UM, UH, THEN, THEN THERE'S THE, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO REDUCE OUR SPENDING.

OKAY? SO WE CAN DO THAT, OR WE CAN DO BOTH.

SO SINCE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO JUDGE THE, THE, THE SENSE OF THE COUNT OR THE COMMISSION VERY WELL, UM, AND PASS VOTES, I'M NOT, I'M GONNA START WITH LET'S CUT SPENDING.

OKAY? AND WE GOTTA FIND HOW MUCH JUDGE, $384,000, THREE $602.

OKAY, WELL, WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH 300 AND I I, I TOOK THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON OUR SHEET THAT WERE SHORT 3 99 6 0 2, AND REDUCED THE 15,000 THAT WE HAD IN THE BUDGET THAT WE DIDN'T.

WELL, I MEAN, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO ADD ALL THE FIVE OH THIRD COURT FEES? HAVE WE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S ADDING $84,000,

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AND THEN THE REST OF THAT $84,000 IS THE 503RD COURT MM-HMM .

I, I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL THOSE ARE IN HERE.

UM, I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST TIME, THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

WE DID DISCUSS THAT LAST TIME, AND I DIDN'T PUT 'EM IN THERE JUST FOR THE RECORD.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M JUST SAYING THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER CAME FROM, I DO KNOW THAT THIS, THAT I MET WITH, UM, ONE OF OUR JUDGES IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND HE FEELS VERY CONFIDENT BASED UPON CONVERSATIONS HE'S HAVING THAT WHERE THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1ST, AND THAT, UM, THE COURT WILL START THEN.

AND HIS EXPRESSION TO ME WAS THAT HE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE PLAN IT AS THOUGH THAT, AND REMEMBER WE WERE THINKING DECEMBER 1ST, AND SO WE WENT FROM, UH, 10 MONTH PRORATION RIGHT.

TO A NINE MONTH PRORATION.

SO, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN ISSUE WE GOTTA FACE AND COMMISSIONER STACEY'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE TO DO IT? UM, SO THIS, THIS JUDGE LED YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA WORK WITH US TO START THIS COURT IN DECEMBER, THAT THEY WANTED TO START THE COURT IMMEDIATELY IN NOVEMBER.

WELL, DOESN'T THE LEGISLATION SAY IT STARTS DECEMBER 1ST? THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATION SAYS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT.

WHEN THE LEGISLATION SAYS DECEMBER, THAT'S, THAT'S EXPLICIT.

NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M SORRY.

YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JANUARY AND DECEMBER, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.

DECEMBER, YES.

YEAH, I, I GOT YOU.

I I WAS WRONG.

BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANNA, THEY, THEY WANNA START DECEMBER 1ST.

LET, LET ME, UH, RETRACT ONE OF MY TEXTS.

SO, SO, I, I, SORRY ABOUT CAUSING YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE TO GO UP THERE, BOBBY.

IT'S LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL CONSTRUCTING THE COURTROOM, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT, I WASN'T GOING TO THAT.

BUT YOUR QUESTION IS FAIR, AND I'LL PUT MINE OFF IF YOU WANNA DEAL WITH THAT.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I, I JUST, THE JUDGE THREW A NUMBER.

AND THAT NUMBER WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER THAT WAS, THAT I SO MANY REASONS NOT TO DO THAT.

THE NUMBER IS $314,712.

IF WE TAKE THAT OUT.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LTI, CONTINUE.

TAKE TAKING THE COURTS OUT AND THE EQUINE THERAPY THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED.

IT, IT, OKAY, SO, UM, EXCUSE ME.

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO START LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, TO REDUCE OUR SPENDING, TO GET US TO A, UH, BALANCED BUDGET WITH A 1% CONTINGENCY.

SO, UM, I'M GOING BACK NOW A COUPLE DAYS TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S TOTAL REVISIONS TO BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET AS OF 9 19 25.

UM, ITEM, LET'S START WITH LINE ONE.

THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START.

SHIFT PAY RAGE 5.7% AND DISTRIBUTE PERFORMANCE PAY TO DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I WAS A STRONG ADVOCATE OF THIS.

IN FACT, WE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WHERE I SAID, THIS IS THE WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, THAT WAS BACK WHEN I THOUGHT WE HAD A DIFFERENT TAX RATE AND, AND MORE REVENUE, BUT WE DON'T.

NOW, IF I, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE GAVE EVERYONE OTHER THAN ELECTED OFFICIALS, A 4% RAISE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

OFFICERS WERE AS WELL, BECAUSE THOSE WERE REGRADED AS WELL.

UM, AND THERE WERE TWO ISSUES THAT WERE KIND OF INTERTWINED HERE.

ONE WAS, HOW MUCH DO WE ADJUST THE PAY GRADES TO MATCH, UH, INFLATION? AND THE OTHER WAS TO PROPOSE MOVING ALL CLERKS IN ALL DEPARTMENTS FROM GRADE ONE TO GRADE TWO.

OKAY? UM, WE DID THAT.

WE, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND THAT WAS APPROVED.

UM, THIS 5.7%, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, AND KAMI, IF I'M WRONG, WILL TELL ME, UH, IF WE JUST ADJUST THE PAY GRADES 4% INSTEAD OF 5.7%, WE ARE STILL MAKING PROGRESS THERE.

BUT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THAT, $133,880 WILL GO AWAY.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING THE LAW LOUDEST ARGUMENTS THAT I HEARD ANYWAY, YOU GUYS PRO I'M SURE HEAR OTHER THINGS, BUT I DON'T HEAR MUCH.

BUT THE LOUDEST ARGUMENTS I HEARD WERE THE CLERKS WEREN'T BEING PAID ENOUGH.

AND WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT BY GIVING ALL CLERKS A BUMP IN THEIR PAY GRADE.

SO I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER REMOVING THE, CHANGING THE PAY RANGE FROM 5.7% INCREASE TO A 4% INCREASE.

TELL ME THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AGAIN.

WELL, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT, MELISSA.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK IT OUT.

BUT IF I THINK IT, IF I'M FOLLOWING THIS SHEET, IT'S $133,880, BUT THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER COST.

SO, SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TWO STEP CALCULATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO.

NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT IF WE TAKE THAT OUT, THEN WE HAVE TO RECALCULATE WHAT THE GRADE TWO IS, WHAT THE 4% IS, AND THEN WHAT THE COMMUNICATIONS

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SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE A MINUTE TO ACTUALLY GET THE FULL BUDGET IMPACT.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO O OTHER, BUT, BUT I, I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU IN THE SENSE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO AT LEAST DISCUSS.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COURT THAT THE MOVE THAT I MADE TO USE THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT MONEY WAS IN LIEU OF GOING TO 5.7%.

IT WAS NOT FOR FOUR.

BECAUSE WE'VE, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S, WE'VE SEEN SO MANY NUMBERS.

I PAID FOR THAT ALREADY BY MOVING MONEY OUTTA RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

I'M, I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU.

THE CLERK, THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.

SO COMMISSIONER GO FOUND THE MONEY WE MADE, I FOUND THE MONEY TO MOVE THAT 5.7% BY USING MONEY FROM JENNIFER'S RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND.

UNDERSTOOD.

THE AGREEMENT TO USE THAT MONEY WAS ON THE 5.7, NOT ON THE FOUR U.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO WERE YOU GONNA GO BACK ON THAT AGREEMENT NOW TOO UNDERSTOOD.

AND NOT USE THAT MONEY? UM, WE GOTTA FIND $314,000.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PLACE WE'RE GONNA FIND IT.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MONEY TO USE.

WHY NOT? WE'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A WORSE PROBLEM BECAUSE MY AGREEMENT TO USE THE MONEY WAS AT 5.7.

WHY COULDN'T WE USE THE MONEY IF IT'S AT 4%? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THEN? YOU'RE STILL PUTTING THE MONEY IN FROM THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT DEAL, RIGHT? IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

SO HOW THERE'S NO IMPACT THERE.

NO, THAT'S ALL.

ISN'T THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND MONEY TRANSFERRED, CALCULATED IN ALL THIS ALREADY? THAT'S ALREADY CALCULATED IN ALL THIS.

RESTATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER ALANA, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT I WILL, IF WE DO THIS, THEN WE'LL ONLY USE RECORDS MANAGEMENT'S FEES TO FUND THE 4%.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA GAIN ANY MONEY.

I'M USING THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO FUND THE 5.7 AND TO FUND SOME OF THE RAISES.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE MONEY STAYS IF WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW BACK UP IN GENERAL FUND.

IT SHOWS UP RIGHT? OVER IN A SPECIAL S FEE COR CORRECT.

AND SO YOU'RE NOT GAINING ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET BY CHANGING THIS.

I THOUGHT WE COULD TRANSFER MONEY FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO PAY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.

YOU'RE BOTH CORRECT.

UH, 2 25 AS COMMISSIONER GUANO WAS, I FRUSTRATES ME TO KNOW, OKAY, THE TWO 20, YOU'RE BOTH CORRECT BECAUSE THE 2 25 COMMISSIONER GALANA IS TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE MOVING IT INTO THE GENERAL FRIEND FROM FUND 57.

UH, WE HAD SOME DIFFERENCES WITH LEGAL ON WHETHER THAT WAS A DOABLE THING OR NOT, BUT, UH, I DECIDED TO LEAVE IT ALONE SINCE IT WAS, UH, UH, IT'S GOING, IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE FOR THE, TO PAY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO TRY TO CALCULATE THE LITTLE BITS HERE AND THERE.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT, UH, IF, IF YOU LOWER THAT AMOUNT, THAT IS WHAT HE'S USED.

WHAT ALANA'S USING THE 2 25 FOR WAS THE 5.7% SHIFT RANGE.

SO, UH, NOT RIGHT, BUT CAN'T USE IT.

YOU'RE NOT TO PAY COUNTY CLERK'S SALARIES.

THE CLERK'S OFFICE SALARIES.

YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THE WHOLE POINT WAS YOU WERE USING THAT 2 25 FOR THAT EXPENSE.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT EXPENSE, THEN YOU LOSE THE 2 25.

BUT CAN'T WE USE IT FOR OTHER THINGS, THE 2 25? CAN'T WE PAY? OH, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

COUNTY CLERK CLERK SALARIES.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID WAS THIS IS THE REASON YOU DID IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, NOT DISPUTING THAT, BUT CAN'T WE USE THAT MONEY, AS WE WERE TOLD BEFORE, FOR PAYING SALARIES IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE EMPLOYED.

IT'LL ABSORB THAT MONEY IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN'T, GREAT.

BUT I THOUGHT WE COULD, WE CAN GO BACK AND UNDO THAT BOAT.

IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC THAT WE RAISED BEFORE ALL NON-BINDING, AS WE'VE LEARNED.

IT'S ALL NON-BINDING AS THEN I GUESS YOU CAN PROPOSE, UH, WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

LOOK, HOLD ON THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS, THERE, THERE IS A MATH PROBLEM THAT WORKS OUT, AND IT'S NOT SIMPLE.

WE HAVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE US.

'CAUSE I, I MEAN, AND, AND I DO, AND I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LTE THAT IT'S, IT'S FIRST ON OUR SHEET.

IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIND MONEY, IT'S A PLACE WE NEED TO START.

BUT BEFORE THIS COURT CAN VOTE THAT UP OR DOWN, WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NET EFFECT.

BECAUSE IF THE NET EFFECT IS $10,000, AND I DON'T WANNA UNDO A BUNCH OF RAISES, AND THEN I DON'T WANNA START REALLY ON THIS PATH OF SAYING, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE WE'RE GONNA GO BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WE COULD CUT SPENDING.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT MIGHT BE A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE EIGHT EIGHTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS, BUT IT, THERE'S A SAVINGS.

I I REMEMBER IT BEING CLOSER TO LIKE 60 SOME, LIKE THE NET IS, IS IS CLOSER TO LIKE 50 SOMETHING.

I, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

AND

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LET'S, LET'S MOVE ALONG WHILE WE DO THIS.

AND THAT'S AGAIN, A GOOD REASON.

I, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN BE HERE TILL 1159 TONIGHT.

HEY, I'M, I'M HERE ALL DAY.

YEAH, I GOT NO OTHER PLANS.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S CONTINUE SEARCHING FOR SAVINGS AND, AND I LIKE YOUR, YOUR FORMULA.

UH, WHERE, UM, WELL, CAMMY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? LET'S LEAVE THE TAX RATE WHERE IT'S AT.

LET'S, LET'S CUT OUR SPENDING.

OKAY, GIMME ONE.

I'M GONNA GO ASK HR TO FIND THAT NUMBER AND THEN SHE'LL WORK ON THAT WHILE WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.

SO JUST GIMME ONE SECOND TO TALK TO CAMMY.

LET ME THROW OUT A FEW OTHER IDEAS THAT MAY, THAT WON'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEM, BUT AT LEAST ARE SOME IDEAS.

UH, I, LET'S GO TO LINE ITEM 16 AND GET RID OF THESE COUNTY COMMISSIONER CHAIRS.

IT'S 5,000 BUCKS, BUT LET'S TAKE IT OFF THERE.

THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.

ANOTHER ONE, THE IT TECH, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, I WAS IN FAVOR OF, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE COURT WAS IN FAVOR OF, UM, LAST WEEK, $73,440 AND THE LAPTOP FOR 1500.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO THERE IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TWO REVENUE ITEMS THAT DROPPED OUT THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING TO DROP OUT.

WE COULD IDENTIFY THIS IT TECH, UH, NEW JOB, BUT NOT FUND IT.

AND IT WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET.

AND IF WE'RE ABLE THEN LATER ON TO GET THOSE CONTRACTS WORKED OUT, WHICH BRING IN THE REVENUE, THEN WE'VE GOT THE PERSON SLOTTED AND WE CAN HIRE THE PERSON AND PAY 'EM, AND WE CAN GIVE IT THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE DISCUSSED.

AND THAT'S, UM, THE IT TECH FOR 73, 4 40 AND THE LAPTOP FOR 1500.

THOSE, AGAIN, ARE ON THE SEPTEMBER 19TH PROPOSALS WE GOT.

AND THEN ANOTHER ITEM WHICH WOULD PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IS, UM, WE HAVE SOMEHOW MANAGED TO GET THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 25 WITH THE DOORS IN PLACE.

LET'S TAKE THE DOORS OUT.

WHAT, WHAT DID WE BUDGET AGAIN? THE, THAT WAS $55,000, UM, FOR THE DOORS.

UH, LET'S LEAVE, TAKE THOSE OUT IN MY, THAT'D BE MY IDEA.

AND THEN, UM, ONE MORE THING AND I'LL DEFER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY HERE.

UM, AND THE SHERIFF, WE HAVE LIKE $5.7 MILLION.

WE'RE TRYING TO FINISH A SHERIFF'S REMODEL, WHICH IS, AGAIN, COMMISSIONER GUANA WITH DUE RESPECT HAS BEEN APPROVED, WHICH I VOTED FOR DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING SOME OF THAT INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

UM, AND IF WE COULD MOVE, UM, A PORTION OF THAT INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, I, IN MY OWN MIND OF, I QUESTIONED IF WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE IN 12 MONTHS ANYWAY, BUT IF WE COULD MOVE A PORTION OF THAT, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, EITHER FROM THE CONTINGENCY FOR THAT OR INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THAT MIGHT SOLVE US ANOTHER BIG CHUNK OF MONEY.

OKAY? SO, SO BEFORE WE DO THAT, AND I LOVE EVERYTHING SHE DID IS THE MCLENNAN CHISHOLM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR 264,712, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

IS THAT INCLUDING US HIRING AN ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME DEPUTY IF WE'RE GOING TO BALANCE OUT THE REVENUE A DEPUTIES A HUNDRED THOUSAND $765? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT IF, IF WE GET THAT CONTRACT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE IT PERSON, BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL OBVIOUSLY COMING TO US, UH, IN THE, NOT THE 11TH HOUR.

IT FEELS LIKE COMING TO US IN THE 12TH HOUR, THE 24TH HOUR OF THE BUDGET.

BUT, BUT I WANNA SAY IF, IF WE GET THAT CONTRACT, AND I'M GOING BACK TO YOUR IT CONCEPT OF IF WE GET THE CONTRACT WE FUND, WE FUND THE IT PERSON.

I, I LIKE THAT THINKING.

BUT IF WE FUND THAT CONTRACT, SHOULDN'T WE ALSO HAVE TO ADD AN FTE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT UNFUNDED SO THAT IF THEY DO FUND IT, THEN WE FUND THAT AND WE FUND THAT.

SO THEN THE, THEN WHAT IS THE NET $64,000? IT, AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM.

I'M BEING TOLD ALL OF THIS VERBALLY.

IT, IT, IT DOES REQUIRE, THERE'S A TIMELINE AND IT DOES REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO BE IN, IN THEIR SCOPE, IN THEIR CITY LIMITS.

IT'S A DEDICATED DEPUTY, RIGHT? YEAH.

LIKE NINE, NINE TO FIVE.

WELL, IF THEY DON'T PAY FOR IT, ARE WE STILL PROVIDING THAT? UM, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A DEDICATED, THEY'RE A PART OF OUR COVERAGE, BUT IF THEY DON'T PAY FOR IT, WE'RE NOT ESSENTIALLY, WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY CHAINED

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TO MCCLENDON CHISHOLM.

SO THEN DO WE NEED THAT PERSON IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR IT? I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE HEADCOUNT, BUT NOT FUNDING IT UNTIL MCCLENDON CHISHOLM MCCLENDON CHISHOLM APPROVES.

BUT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVINGS.

I'M GOING SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LTE JUST BROUGHT OUT WITH THE IT PERSON.

I, I MEAN, BUT GO AHEAD, LISA.

YOU TURNED YOUR MICROPHONE ON THERE.

THERE'S THE MCLENNAN.

THE NEW DEPUTY THAT WOULD'VE CORRELATED TO THIS AGREEMENT IS NOT IN YOUR BUDGET CURRENTLY.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADD A HEAD COUNT, BUT NO FUNDING.

AND I ASKED OUR SHERIFF THIS MORNING, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE THAT, DOES THAT MEAN WE GET TO DROP ONE DEPUTY? AND HIS ANSWER WAS NO.

AND AN ALL IN DEPUTY IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND $765.

SO, BUT WE, WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO FUND IT IF WE PUT IT INTO THE HEADCOUNT AND, AND WE DON'T FUND IT.

WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DROP IT.

I MEAN, IF THE FUNDING'S NOT THERE, BUT MY POINT IS, BY NOT TAKING IN THAT REVENUE DOESN'T MEAN WE GET TO TAKE SOMEBODY OUT OF THE BUDGET.

WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT.

I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE IT AND THE SHERIFF FTE BEING ADDED IN CONTINGENT OF THAT CONTRACT BEING APPROVED, THAT THAT, BUT THAT IS A NET OF $74,000.

THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, I'M SAYING THAT'S A TOTAL NET OF THAT.

THAT'S NOT A NET.

BECAUSE ONCE THE CONTRACT COMES IN, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE $10,000 SHORT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT'S COMING IN AT 2 64 AND WE WOULD BE HAVING TO FUND $174,000 WORTH OF THINGS.

SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S 10,000 SHORT.

SO THE CONTRACT IS FOR 102 HUNDRED $64,712 AND ALL IN DEPUTY A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THE DEPUTY UN UNFUNDED THEN IF THAT CONTRACT WERE EXERCISED, IT WOULD EXERCISE IT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T GET US CORRECT.

ONE MORE THING WE FOUND OUT THIS MORNING, YES, ANOTHER THING THAT WE FOUND OUT THIS MORNING, UH, BUT WITH, UH, BUT FOR THIS BUDGET, IT DOES DROP 74,000 AND, AND PUTS US ON A, ON A, ON A HUNT.

SO, SO I MEAN, YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD WITH THE 55 AND THE 73 IS ABOUT 120,000 OF THAT $300,000.

AND THEN WE GOT THE 5,000 FOR THE CHAIRS, AND UM, WE'VE GOT THE 55 FOR THE DOOR, SOMETHING ON MY PROPOSAL, A MAX OF 1 33, 8 80.

BUT SOMETHING ON MY PROPOSAL IF WE, UM, CHANGE OUR SHIFT IN PAY GRADE SCALES.

SO, SO LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS, AND, AND ALSO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, ALSO MOVING, UH, SOMETHING INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

MAYBE WE SAVED $124,000 WITH THIS PROPOSAL AND NOT 134,000.

THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO TRACK BASICALLY THROUGH IT.

SO, UM, MAN, FRANK, YOU ARE AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST.

I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.

HEY, WE'RE WE, WE'VE TAKEN BIG STEPS THERE.

WELL, WELL, , HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

I, I WANNA, I, I FLUSH OUT THE WRONG SIDE OF A LOT OF FOUR ONE VOTES LATELY, SO I CAN'T COUNT MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY'RE HATCH .

SO, SO THIS WOULD, DO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE DOOR 55,000, THE SHARES AT 5,000, AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE STUFF THAT, THAT, THAT IS CONCRETE.

AND THEN BASICALLY THEN, THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IT TECH AT THAT'S AT 73, 4 40 AND THEN, AND THEN AND A LAPTOP, 1500 FOR THE LAPTOP MM-HMM .

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET, YOU'RE NOT FUNDING IT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT DOLLAR SAVINGS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO TRACK, I'M, I'M, IF THE TABLES HAVE FINALLY TURNED WHERE LAUREN IS PRESENTING THINGS THAT I'M HAVING TO KEEP UP WITH , UM, UNLIKE ME PRESENTING THINGS HE'S SITTING HERE DOING MATH ON, SO, WELL, WELL PLAYED, SIR.

SO THAT'S $134,940 OF POTENTIAL SAVINGS.

NOW, WHERE THIS GETS A LITTLE TRICKY IS, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RATIONALIZE THIS OR THINK THIS THROUGH, IS THAT IF WE WERE GONNA SAY, OKAY, WE WANNA HAVE THE IT PERSON AND NOT FUND IT, BECAUSE WE DO GET THE, WE DO GET THE FEELING, I DID TALK TO SOME FOLKS IN MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, THERE IS AN IDEA THAT THEY WANT TO EXERCISE THIS CONTRACT AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT DONE.

IS THAT THEN IF WE WERE TO TIE THAT IT PERSON AND THAT SHERIFF'S DEPUTY TO THAT CONTRACT OR ADD A NEGATIVE 10,000.

SO HOW DO WE CALCULATE THAT INTO THE PHRASE? SO THEN WE SAY, OKAY,

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I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO RATIONALIZE WHERE WE'RE HEADED BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR, IS THAT THIS IS 74 9 PLUS A HUNDRED AND THOUSAND 765, THAT WE'D BE SUPPORTED BY $264,000 OF REVENUE.

AND AM I MAKING SENSE? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL COMING SO FAST.

I'M MISSING YOUR 10.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING IF WE GET $264,712 OF REVENUE, IF WE GET THAT MONEY, THEN WE WOULD HIRE THE IT PERSON, THE IT PERSON WOULD BE HIRED AT 73,440 PLUS THE $1,500 LAPTOP.

PLUS WE WOULD NEED TO HIRE, WE WOULD NEED TO FUND THE DEPUTY AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND $765.

THAT COMES AT A, THAT COMES AT A NET NEGATIVE.

IS IS, ARE WE SURE OF THAT PLUS EQUIPMENT? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

NO, I'M SAYING THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE OF ANYTHING.

THIS IS ALL HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN REAL TIME.

WELL, CAN CAN THE SHERIFF ANSWER THE QUESTION? I MEAN, CAN WE, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WITH THE HEADCOUNT WE'VE APPROVED TO DATE SHERIFF GARRETT WITH THE HEADCOUNT WE'VE APPROVED TO DATE, AND NOT REMOVING ANYBODY, JUST KEEPING IT WHERE WE'RE AT.

IF WE GET THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FUNDING, CAN YOU SERVE IT WITH YOUR EXISTING STAFF? OUR EXISTING STAFF WOULD BE THE ONES WHO'D BE, ONE WOULD BE MOVING INTO THAT.

THE, THE INTENT ALL ALONG FOR MCCLENDON CHISHOLM WAS TO HAVE, UH, A DEDICATED PERSON.

THE, THE STAFF WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR FTE, UH, COUNT IS ACCOUNTED FOR, FOR POSITIONS WE ALREADY HAVE AND POSITIONS WE HAVE VACANT.

BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WOULD ALSO ACCOUNT FOR MO ONE PERSON GOING OVER AND BEING DEDICATED TO MOVE WELL, BUT THEN YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BACKFILL THAT POSITION INTO OUR CURRENT OPENINGS.

WELL THEN, THEN YOU'RE, THEN, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, JOHN, THAT WE, WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT TO THIS POSITION WHERE WE WERE THINKING EVEN BEFORE WE KNEW THERE WASN'T A CONTRACT, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ONE MORE PERSON ADDED.

SHOULDN'T WE HAVE? YOU ARE CORRECT.

SO, UM, I I, WITH WITHOUT A CONTRACT? NO, WITH A CONTRACT.

WITH A CONTRACT, THERE WAS, IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL PERSON.

THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT IS FOR.

AND THE EQUIPMENT.

AND ARE THEY COVERED IN YOUR CURRENT BUDGET THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US AND THAT WE'VE WE'VE TENTATIVELY APPROVED? I, I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK THEY WERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE NOT THEN PULLING OUT THIS PERSON IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DEDICATED BECAUSE, AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD'VE MADE THIS AGREEMENT.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

I DON'T DUNNO HOW WE WOULD'VE MADE THIS AGREEMENT AND NOT BUDGETED ALL THE STUFF FOR IT.

I, I, I, THAT'S WHAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, BOBBY.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE THOUGH.

COMMISSIONER ALANA, ARE WE SURE? I DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE AUDITOR TEAM HAS CONFIRMED THAT.

YES, WE ARE SURE THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

THE SITUATION YOU JUST SUMMARIZED IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

MELISSA'S, UNLESS THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL FTE PUT IN THERE AS A DEPUTY, THEN IT WASN'T PUT IN, IN THE BUDGET.

WAS THERE AN ADDITIONAL FTE IN THERE? THERE THERE WAS NOT.

SO THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON THEM PRESENTING THE CONTRACT REQUESTING, OKAY.

WE'RE STILL SAVING MONEY.

SO I STILL CAN'T, WE'RE STILL MAKING PROGRESS, THE MATH TO ADD UP TO 10,000.

SO LET ME, I'VE GOT 264,000 AND THEN WE HAVE JUST OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR A, A FULL-TIME DEPUTY.

LET, LET'S CALL IT 110 AND MAKE THE MATH EASY.

SO WE'RE DOWN TO 1 54 AND THEN WE HAVE 74.

UH, I, I CAN'T GET THAT DOWN TO 10,000.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE DOING MATH IN OUR HEADS OVER HERE, , RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TALKING, WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANYTHING.

I JUST WANT TO DO AN EXERCISE.

WE'RE AT, WE WOULD BE AT 0.2515.

THEN LOOKING AT THIS SHEET, 0.2 5, 1 5 IS WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO BE.

IF YOU, IF YOU RAISE THE TAX RATE, YOU'RE PRETTY, YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE.

$314,712 AND SEE WHAT THAT LEAVES OUR FUND BALANCE AT HOW MANY MONTHS? AN AN ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE TRANSFER OF 3 14 7 12.

YOU CAN SAY IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.

ALL I'M DOING IS ASKING A QUESTION 0.2515.

CAN SOMEBODY CALCULATE AND TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE ON 0.2515 AND 0.2499 ON A $450,000 HOUSE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, PLEASE? WE HAVE IT.

AND THEN WHILE WE'RE CALCULATING THAT FOR THE DISCUSSION, THAT'S GONNA COME AFTER THAT, UH, LOOK AT A FUND BALANCE TRANSFER OF

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IT WAS, I'M I'M JUMPING .

I I I KNOW WHERE THAT CONVERSATION LEADS.

IT, IT LEADS TO, DID WE ALREADY TRANSFER SOME? WE, WE, WE DID 1.5.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER 300 MM-HMM .

SO ONE, 1.8 14 7 12.

WHAT, UH, WHAT DOES THAT DO WITH OUR FUND BALANCE? THE NUMBER OF MONTHS? ARE WE STILL AT FIVE MONTHS? OKAY.

ROLLING AND TUMBLING WE GO.

JUDGE.

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE REMODEL? SURE, SURE, SURE.

COMMISSIONER TY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE REMODEL AND MOVING IT INTO THE NEXT, UH, FISCAL YEAR THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A PROBLEM WITH CONTRACTORS.

AND, AND I WAS HOPING OUR, OUR OWNERS REP WOULD MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE, BUT, UH, WITH CONTRACTORS AND THEIR, THEIR DEPLOYMENT, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE THIRD PHASE, THIS WAS ONE PROJECT, BUT, AND THEN IT WAS SPLIT INTO THREE PHASES.

AND WITH OUR DISPATCH BEING THE THIRD PHASE, MOVING THEM FOR TEMPORARY, SO THEY WOULD BE DELAYED AND BE IN A TEMPORARY SPOT OCCUPYING THE, THE TRAINING SPACE FOR THAT THIRD PHASE CONSTRUCTION WHILE IT'S LATER.

YEAH, I, I DON'T, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD, I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS TALKING ABOUT STOPPING CONSTRUCTION, BUT JUST BRING TO FOREFRONT THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DONE YEAH.

WITH THE REMODEL IN THIS BUDGET OR, OR THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE I MENTIONED, WHICH I PROBABLY DIDN'T MAKE REAL CLEAR AND 'CAUSE NOBODY'S JUMPED TO ME ON IT YET.

AND THAT'S THE IDEA OF TAKING IT OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAVE IN THAT CONTRACT.

WHAT'S OUR CONTINGENCY IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONTRACT? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MAN, I HAVE LIKE FIVE CALCULATIONS SITTING ON MY DESK AND, AND EVERY TIME I STOP TO DO ONE, I GET SOMEONE ELSE YELLING, SAYING, HEY, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? OKAY.

SO ON THE ON THE POINT, WELL, WAIT, WAIT, NICO'S WALKING UP HERE.

LET'S, THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY IS RIGHT AROUND $240,240,000.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE GOT A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM CONTRACT.

YOU GUYS PLANNED IT OUT.

YOU'RE, YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, YOU'VE FIGURED IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD IT FOR WHAT THE CONTRACT PRICE IS.

I KNOW THERE'S CONTINGENCY ITEMS, BUT IF THERE'S A 240, YOU SAID, YES, SIR.

$240,000 CONTINGENCY, AND IF MOVING IT, SOME OF IT INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ISN'T REASONABLE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT STOPPING THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, .

THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT'S LIKE 7.2 MILLION.

WHY NOT REDUCE OUR CONTINGENCY IN THAT FUND AND JUST MAKE SURE WE BUILD IT FOR WHAT WE SAID WE'D BUILD IT FOR.

WE'RE ALREADY GONE TO A, WE'VE ALREADY EXPANDED THAT PROJECT IN SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS.

WE'VE DEC DECLINE, DECREASED IT IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MINDS, BUT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD CONTRACT.

AND FOR 5.7 MILLION, MAN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A 1% CONTINGENCY IN OUR, OUR GENERAL FUND.

AND THAT'S EFFECTIVELY ASKING FOR ALMOST A 5% CONTINGENCY.

A 3% CONTINGENCY.

WELL, I WAS JUST, BUT THE POINT IS JUST BUILD IT FOR WHAT WE SAID WE BILLED IT FOR.

AND NICO, WHEN IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED? JUNE, JUNE 10TH.

SO MOVE TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR DOESN'T WORK.

I I, IT SAID IF IT WORKS, IT DOESN'T WORK.

SO YOU GOT A $240,000 CONTINGENCY.

IF WE CUT IT IN HALF, THAT'S $120,000.

AND, AND WE'RE ALSO USING SOME ARPA MONEY FOR THIS AS WELL, AND WE'VE GOT A DEADLINE WITH THAT FOR, FOR USING THAT MONEY AS WELL.

I, I SAID IT DOESN'T WORK.

DID ANYONE DO BOBBY'S TAX CALCULATION? YES.

SO ON THE MEDIAN HOUSE VALUE OF 424,000, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 0.2499 RATE AND A 0.2 5, 1 5 RATE IS $6.

THAT'S WHAT I CALCULATED TO BE AS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU FOR CALCULATING INSTEAD OF ME HAVING TO SAY THAT.

WHAT WAS THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE VOTER APPROVED THAT YOU GUYS PROPOSED WAS THE 0.25? 1 1 3.

SO EVEN AT THE NUMBER, COMMISSIONER GALANA SUGGESTED 2 5 1 5 WERE LESS THAN VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE, THE, THE FUND BALANCE TO TRANSFER AN ADDITIONAL, WE'RE TRANSFERRING 1.5.

DO WE HAVE THE OTHER CALCULATION? THE

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IF WE TRANSFER 1.8 1 4 7 1 2, HOW MANY MONTHS DOES THAT DROP THE, THE FUND BALANCE TO, I'M SORRY.

YOU, SO WHILE WE CAN'T GET INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO HAVE MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND WHILE SOME OF IT'S ARPA SOME OF IT'S WAS FUND BALANCE TRANSFER AND YEAH.

AND, AND CAN BE USED.

HOWEVER, UH, THE AR BUZZ HAS SPECIFIC USES.

WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCK WALL COUNTY BUDGET FOR FY 2026 AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

AS A FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF OUR CONTINGENCY'S TOO HIGH, WE'RE TAXING TOO MUCH.

THAT IS CORRECT.

HERE'S YOUR FRIEND, MY FRIEND, MY LEFT EAR .

SO, UM, HE, HERE, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE I I, I DO BELIEVE, I, I DON'T, WE NEED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER TY'S FIRST COMMENT, WHICH IS THE PAY RAISES AND WHAT THAT NET EFFECT IS.

I'M NOT SAYING HE'S GONNA GET HIS VOTES.

I'M NOT SAYING HE'S NOT GONNA GET HIS VOTES.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT, BUT CAN WE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK FOR ME TO TALK WITH, WITH OUR HR DEPARTMENT AND, AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT SHE GAVE ME AND JUST SAY, OKAY GUYS, THIS IS THE NET EFFECT OF THAT FIRST PROPOSAL.

BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT'S THE CORRECT THING TO DO IF ONE OF US PROPOSES SOMETHING FOR AT LEAST THE IDEA AND THE MATH TO BE FLUSHED OUT BEFORE WE JUST SAY YES OR NO TO IT.

AND I HATE TO DO THAT, BUT I'VE, I THINK I HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS HERE.

BUT INSTEAD OF ME JUST RUNNING OFF AND, AND DOUBLE CHECKING WITH THE AUDITOR, CAN WE JUST TAKE A BREAK AND MAYBE COME BACK AT 10 30 AND THEN I WILL AT LEAST HAVE COMMISSIONER TY'S FIRST PROPOSAL BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS GONNA TAKE ME ON A WHOLE NOTHER PATH THAT MY BRAIN'S GONNA HAVE TO WRAP AROUND.

SO AT 10 11, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK UNTIL 10 30.

ALL RIGHT? IT'S 10 30.

WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING.

[5. Discuss/Act on adopting the Rockwall County Budget for FY2026 and take record vote, and all related issues; (Judge New- Auditor)]

DO WE HAVE OUR NUMBERS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF NUMBERS FOR YOU.

JUDGE.

NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, THE MCLENNAN CHISHOLM AGREEMENT OF 264,007 12, IT MIGHT SHOCK THE COURT IS NOT ARBITRARY.

THAT IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO ONBOARD A DEPUTY IN YEAR ONE.

IT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, IT'S PASS THROUGH COST.

YEAR TWO GOES DOWN TO ABOUT 150.

SO THE CONTRACT STANDS ON ITS OWN, MEANING NO SAVINGS TO BE FOUND.

YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOT TO THE, YOU GOT TO THE PUNCH.

SO WE COULD, I STILL THINK, AND, AND I'M, I'M GONNA ASK THE AUDITOR AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK AND DEAL WITH THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE EQUIPMENT OF AN UNFUNDED FTE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT IN THE BUDGET IN A WAY THAT WORKS.

I MEAN, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS UNFUNDED PERSON WAITING ON THIS $264,712 REVENUE, BUT HOW DO WE DO THE BODY CAMERA, THE TASER AND, AND ALL OF THAT? DO I, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO, UM, TAKE IT FROM CONTINGENCY DURING THE FISCAL YEAR.

YOU KNOW, WE'D COME TO YOU AS A PROPERTY REQUISITION NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING THAT BREAKS DURING THE YEAR AND WE BUY IT.

UH, IT WOULD, BUT, BUT THEN WE COULD HAVE EXTRA REVENUE.

SO IT COULD PROBABLY BALANCE ITSELF OUT AS LONG AS THE FTE'S TRUE IS IN THERE.

THAT'S TRUE.

IT JUST GOES BACK INTO CONTINGENCY ONCE IT COMES IN.

WELL, IT GOES INTO GENERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS WHERE THE CONTINGENCY IS.

THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO, TO, TO MY, SO, SO ALL WE WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR THE MCLENNAN CHISHOLM CONTRACT IS PUT AN UNFUNDED F AN ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED FTE IN THE BUDGET.

IF THE MONEY DOES COME THROUGH, WE HIRE THAT PERSON.

WE TAKE THE EQUIPMENT OUT OF CONTINGENCY, BUT THEN WE HAVE GOTTEN $264,000 OF REVENUE, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

SO IT'S 100% PASS THROUGH.

SO THERE IS NO SAVINGS ATTACHED TO IT, WHICH, WHICH BASICALLY KILLS YOUR ONE IDEA OF THE IT PERSON.

SO THEN THE IT PERSON'S NOW A A AN UP OR DOWN VOTE OF WHETHER WE WANNA INCLUDE THEM OR NOT.

AND THEN THE LAST NUMBER FOR THE COURT.

WELL, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT THAT DOESN'T DO IS PROVIDE FOR, IF THAT CONTRACT IS SIGNED AND WE DO ENTER INTO AN ILA WITH MCCLENNAN CHM, WE NEED ONE MORE DEPUTY.

ONE PERSON, ONE MORE DEPUTY, AND THEN WHEN THAT COMES IN, IF THAT CONTRACT COMES IN, THEN THOSE FUNDS WILL PAY FOR THAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT ACTION.

AND SO REGARDLESS, WE HAVE TO ADD AN UNFUNDED POSITION AT THIS POINT, AND WE HAVE TO ADD TO THE DEPUTY COUNT

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AND IF THE CONTRACT DOESN'T COME IN, THE FTE STAYS UNFUNDED.

SO I THINK SOMETHING EVERYONE WILL AGREE ON.

SO WE'RE BE CAREFUL.

WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ONE ONE UNFUNDED FULL-TIME.

AND BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF, THAT'S WHAT HIS PLAN IS.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ADDED ALREADY.

SO I WOULD MAKE A, I GUESS A STILL LET, LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M BINDING AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE BUDGET, RIGHT? SO, UH, BUT WE GOTTA GET TO THAT PLACE.

WE, WE GOTTA GET TO THAT PLACE.

UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REQUIRES ANY ACTION.

I'M GONNA SAY WE ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT.

I THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER TO MAKE A MOTION.

I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAPPIER TO, BUT LET ME GO TO LEGAL.

DOES THAT REPRESENT ANY PROBLEMS? 'CAUSE WE'RE UNDER THE AGENDA ITEM.

UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE WHOLE TIME.

WELL, I KNOW, BUT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN PAST THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA RATIFY A BUDGET.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT STEPPING ON ANY LEGAL TOES HERE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCKWELL COUNTY BUDGET.

CAN WE MAKE SUB MOTIONS UNDERNEATH THAT? UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, AGENDA LINE? WE'RE ON SIX FIVE.

WE'RE WE'RE ON FIVE FIVE? YES.

I BELIEVE YOU STILL CAN AT THAT POINT.

ALRIGHT.

THEN, THEN, THEN I WITHDRAW MY CONCERN.

PLEASE FIRE.

IT WILL THEN , THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD ONE DEPUTY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HEADCOUNT AS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, BUT DO NOT PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THAT PERSON AT THIS POINT.

AT SOME POINT IT'S A STEP TOO FAR ON PULLING MONEY OUT AT SOME POINT.

SO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.

I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, LET'S REGISTER OUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT PASSES.

OH WAIT, IT'S WAITING ON ME.

FIVE TO ZERO.

OKAY, SO WE GOT AN EMPLOYEE WITH NO MONEY, SO, BUT IT'S A GOOD START.

SO THE QUESTION THAT WE WENT ON BREAK FOR, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THIS NUMBER, IS IT'S $112,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 5.7 AND THE 4% WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES WE MADE TO ALL OF THE STAFFING.

SO I JUST WANT, THAT'S THE NUMBER, 112, $112,000.

SO THAT, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

UH, BUT, UH, I, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO COMMISSIONER GOANA WHO FOUND THE MONEY AND, AND NEGOTIATED A DEAL AND USED SOME FUND BALANCE.

AND, UM, AND, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL OF LIKE MIND, WE, WE WANT TO USE, UH, THESE FUND BALANCES THAT GROW YEAR OVER YEAR WHENEVER WE CAN.

BUT I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE REMOVE THE DOORS, LEAVE THE IT TECH HEADCOUNT AND LAPTOP, REMOVE THE CHAIRS, UH, REMOVE THE IT TECH FUNDING.

SEE WHAT THAT GETS US AS FAR AS AN ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE TRANSFER, UH, LEAVING OUR RATE AT 2, 4, 9, 9.

TRANSFER THAT IN.

AND LET'S ONCE AGAIN SAY WE'RE DONE WITH THE BUDGET.

THAT WAS A LITTLE SCENIC ROUTE RAMBLING.

SO LET ME LET SEE IF I CAN I, I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, HERE.

HERE'S MY PROBLEM.

AND THIS, I'M JUST, THIS, JUST HEAR ME OUT FOR, FOR, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS UNDER 90 SECONDS.

WE HAVE CUT THIS BUDGET SO MUCH.

I MEAN, I, AND I, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S SKIN AND BONES BECAUSE I, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IF YOU HANDED THIS TO 12 PEOPLE, THEY WOULD COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT RESPONSE.

BUT THE FIVE OF US HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THREE WEEKS, IT FEELS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY TO CUT THIS BUDGET AND CUT THIS BUDGET AND CUT THIS BUDGET.

AND WE HAVE ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE COMING OVER, GETTING US RIGHT AT THAT FIVE MONTHS.

WHICH, WHICH I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS A GROUP PROJECT.

WE, IT IS RIGHT UNDER FIVE MONTHS.

I'M SORRY, I I WILL BE COMPLETELY CLEAR.

IT'S UNDER, IT'S UNDER FIVE MONTHS.

ABOUT 4.8 MONTHS.

SORRY, LAUREN.

I DID NOT MEAN TO, I DON'T KNOW,

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I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE MADE THAT STEP.

I'M NOT HERE TO SAY YOU HAVE OR HAVEN'T.

I'M JUST SAYING WHAT FRUSTRATES ME IS WE WORK AND WE WORK AND WE WORK AND IT, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IT'S ANYONE'S FAULT OR IT'S NOT ANYONE'S FAULT, BUT THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY BY US AS A GROUP, AND IT WAS COMPLETELY PASSED THROUGH COSTS AND WE WERE COUNTING IT AS REVENUE.

AND FOR US ON THE, ON THE 11TH HOUR TO FIND $264,000 IS GONNA BE RELATIVELY DIFFICULT.

THE, THE, THE, WE COULD PROBABLY FIND A HUNDRED BECAUSE WE COULD TAKE OUT THE DOORS AND THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GO 50,000 WITHOUT ANY QUESTION INTO THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.

'CAUSE WE DID IT ONCE FOR THE DOORS.

SO IF WE TOOK OUT THE DOORS, WE GET $55,000 AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

NOW.

WE'RE SITTING AT 2, 2 50.

UM, SO I GUESS, JUDGE, MY REAL QUESTION TO YOU IS I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ENOUGH SUPPORT TO GET DOWN TO THE 2, 4, 9, 9 IS AT THIS THE POINT WE WANNA START TALKING TAX RATE.

I, I, JUST TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK, I, I DON'T WANNA PULL THE DOORS BECAUSE THEY'RE AT THEIR END OF LIFE AND WE'RE EITHER GONNA TAKE CARE OF OUR STUFF OR WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND I AM READY TO PROPOSE THAT WE GO TO 2 5 1 5 AND TAKE A VOTE.

WELL, THAT SOUNDED LIKE A MOTION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE AT THAT POINT OF MAKING MOTIONS YET TECHNIC MOTION YET.

, I KNOW IF WE'RE AT A POINT OF MAKING MOTIONS, BUT IF WE ARE, I WILL MAKE ONE.

SO I I I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.

I, I THINK WE CAN GET THE 2, 2, 4, 9 9 VOTE WITH, WITH A FUND BALANCE TRANSFER.

THAT THAT IS NOT A STEP TOO FAR.

SO ADDING THE DOORS BACK IN, UH, I HAD US MOVING $179,772.

SO WAIT, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE STILL TALKING A DIFFERENCE OF $6 BETWEEN 2 4 9 9 AND, AND 2 5 1 5.

IS THAT CORRECT, MELISSA? OKAY.

SO THAT TAKES US TO 2 34 7 72.

UH, HOW DID YOU GET TO, HOW DO YOU GET FROM THREE 14 TO 1 77? UH, STARTED TAKING, TAKING THINGS OUT.

WHAT DID YOU ABOUT I, I'M SORRY.

REMOVED THE DOORS.

REMOVED THE LEFT THE IT TECH HEADCOUNT, BUT REMOVED.

OH, OKAY.

THE FUNDING.

UH, REMOVED THE LAPTOP AND REMOVED THE COMMISSIONER.

I THOUGHT YOU PUT THE IT TECH BACK IN.

SO THE, AS A HEAD COUNT, BUT NOT AS, AS A FUNDED OKAY.

AS A FUNDED ITEM.

AND, AND THEN, SO ADDING THE DOORS BACK IN GETS US FROM 1 79 TO 2 34 7 72.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT IN LIEU OF RAISING THE RATE.

AND WHILE IT'S JUST $6, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT FEES THAT WERE GOING DOWN AND, AND HOW IT'S THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.

UH, THIS JUST $6 IS THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.

AND, AND, AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT JUDGE.

VERY MUCH SO.

AND IT'S THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO.

BUT, BUT TO COMMISSIONER STACY'S POINT, I MEAN, WE HAVE REALLY WORKED HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS COLLECTIVELY ON, ON THIS BUDGET.

AND WE ARE, WE'RE DOWN TO WHERE WE, I'M, I'M REALLY TRYING TO JUST KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

AND YES, I THINK OUR TAXPAYERS MAY WANT US TO, THEY DO WANT US TO, TO, TO, TO, TO LOWER THE TAX RATE IF WE CAN.

BUT THEY ALSO, WITH A GROWING COUNTY, WANT US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE SERVICES AND WE'RE, AND WE, WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT STAFFING FOR IT, AND WE ARE OFFERING.

SO I, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH US CONTINUING TO CUSS AND DISCUSS ON THIS AND TRY AND TAKING OUT AND PUTTING BACK IN AND SO FORTH.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND I'M NOT REALLY IN, IN FAVOR OF 11:59 PM TONIGHT, , FOR US TO FINALLY MAKE A VOTE AT, AT, AT MIDNIGHT, UH, THE, THE BUDGET IS SET.

UM, AND YOU WON'T LIKE IT AND YOU WON'T LIKE IT IF WE DON'T VOTE ON IT.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

IF WE DON'T APPROVE GOES TO VOTERS.

AND, AND BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR, YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER GOANA MM-HMM .

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, IS THERE, I I, I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE, I'M, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO PHRASE THIS 'CAUSE MY BRAIN'S GOING WAY TOO FAST IN A WAY THAT, THAT ISN'T INCENDIARY TO ANYONE HERE.

NO, I GET IT.

OTHER THAN 2 5, 1 0 MM-HMM .

SO I JUST WANNA SAY BEFORE WE GIVE UP AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S JUST RAISE THE RA AND I'M, AND AGAIN, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE INCENDIARY, I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE ANY THING, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS ALSO A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO 2 5 1 5

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I MEAN, WE ARE TAKING A SLAP IN THE FACE AT THE, AT THE 11TH HOUR.

AND I DO AGREE THAT WE'VE CUT THE BUDGET AND I DO DISAGREE WITH THE JUDGE THAT WE CAN JUST TAKE ALL THIS FROM FUND BALANCE.

I, I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE HAD ON FRIDAY WAS A SKIM BUDGET.

AND I THINK THE AUDITOR WOULD AGREE THAT IT WAS A SKIM BUDGET.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE SHOW UP TODAY AND WE'RE $314,000 OF REVENUE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET.

NONE OF US UP HERE KNEW THAT.

AND SO I JUST, I, I DON'T WANNA JUST THROW MY HANDS UP AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'LL JUST DO 3 29 AND WE'RE GOOD.

BUT I DO, I DO THINK, AND, AND LIPSTICK AND A PIG, IS IT A BEAUTY CONTEST? IS IT POLITICAL? I MEAN, WE'RE ALL POLITICIANS.

THIS IS KIND OF POLITICAL.

AGREED.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REASONABLY FIND GROUND THAT ISN'T 2 5 1 5? IS IT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, BEFORE YOU TAKE YOUR VOTE? AND BEFORE WE HAVE A THREE, TWO BUDGET.

I DON'T MIND A THREE, TWO BUDGET.

THAT DOESN'T GIMME ANY QUALMS. AND I DON'T MIND BEING ON THE WINNING SIDE AND THE LOSING SIDE BECAUSE THIS BUDGET IS SKIM PICKINGS.

WE DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS BUDGET.

AND I WILL STAND UP AND TELL THE PUBLIC WE DID AN AMAZING JOB OF CUTTING SPENDING OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

WE ABSORBED A $1.7 MILLION COURT, IF YOU GET THIS VOTE'S, $1.5 MILLION INCREASE TO, TO EXISTING TAXPAYERS FOR A $1.7 MILLION COURT.

I MEAN, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE CUTTING THIS THING SLIM, BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT SO MY POINT IS, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PREPARED TO GO TO 2 5, 1 5, BUT I'M DEFINITELY HAVE LEFT THE JUDGE AT HIS 2, 4, 9, 9.

'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN GET FUND BALANCE.

I DON'T SEE A PATH TO GET TO 2 4, 9 9.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

IF YOU WANNA TAKE A VOTE AND HAVE A THREE TWO, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE IT IS POSSIBLE.

BUT I MEAN, WE'RE AT 10 45, BUT WE THOUGHT THE BUDGET WAS DONE LAST FRIDAY.

SO I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING.

I, I LISTEN, I, I UNDER AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I, I DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY AT ALL, UM, WHERE I'M SUGGESTING WE GO, BUT WE HAD A GREAT BUDGET DONE AFTER HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF DEBATE AND DISCUSSION.

AND WE LEFT HERE FRIDAY SAYING THIS IS AS MUCH AS WE COULD CUT THE BUDGET, WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT.

NOW WE HAVE A, A REVENUE PROBLEM.

I'M STILL HAPPY WITH THE BUDGET WE PRODUCED.

I'M STILL HAPPY WITH THE BUDGET WE PRODUCED IT, IT IT, AND I DON'T WANT TO, AND I'M NOT PREPARED.

I'M NOT PREPARED AT THE LAST MINUTE TO START HACKING THINGS OUT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE ALREADY CUT TO THE BONE.

I'M, I'M NOT, SO I JUST GOT A TEXT THAT SAYS WE CAN USE THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND FOR DOORS.

OH, SINCE WE'RE HERE.

GREAT.

NO, I I HAD ASKED THAT THE OTHER DAY.

YOU CANNOT, NO.

YEAH, YEAH.

NO.

'CAUSE THERE'S DOORS IN THIS BUILDING.

THAT COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND IS FOR WHERE THE COURTS ARE.

THIS IS A COURT.

WE WE'RE IN A COURT.

THIS IS A COURT.

YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE, I CAN DO COURT HERE.

I I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA START OCTOBER ONE.

THAT IS RIGHT.

OH, THANK YOU.

WELL THEN YOU NEED THE DATE .

I GOTTA, I'M SORRY.

I WOULD DISAGREE.

WHO? WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO THE MONEY.

SO WE GOTTA WORK THIS OUT .

WELL, YEP.

SO LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK THE, THE MAGIC QUESTION, UH, TO MELISSA, THE KNOWER OF ALL THINGS.

WHERE IS THERE $234,000 THAT WE CAN TAKE OUTTA THIS BUDGET? ? SORRY JUDGE, I ALREADY GAVE YOU THAT.

YOU, YOU, YOU DID.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU DID.

NOW ONE OF 'EM WE CAN'T DO, WE'VE DETERMINED THE, THE WELL, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WE CAN'T THE, THE SHERIFF'S MOVING TO, TO NEXT BUDGET.

BUT WE I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERRING TO SOMETHING ELSE.

I, AND WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A TIME TO TAKE, TAKE A VOTE.

AND IF IT'S RIGHT NOW, I'M READY TO VOTE RIGHT NOW.

BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE RIGHT NOW.

'CAUSE I THINK WE STILL GOT ROOM.

SO, BUT IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, I'LL VOTE.

UM, BUT I, THERE'S, I KNOW YOU DISAGREE.

I KNOW BOBBY DISAGREES.

AND AS I'VE LEARNED, I'M FINDING FOUR PEOPLE GENERALLY OFTEN DISAGREE WITH ME, .

BUT THERE'S TWO POINTS I RAISED THAT BASICALLY SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

ONE IS TAKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONTINGENCY.

THAT WOULD STILL LEAVE US WITH WHAT ABOUT A 3% CONTINGENCY.

IS THERE ANY REASON THAT WE DON'T THINK WE CAN BUILD FOR WHAT THE GUARANTEE MAX CONTRACT IS ON THAT? AND, UH, INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD IF THE JUDGE WILL LET YOU? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T, WHY, WHY, WHY WE NEED CAN'T TAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF THERE.

OUTTA THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY, UM, THIS EARLY, JUST GIVEN THE, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND IT BEING SUCH AN OUTDATED, UH, BUILDING DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT IS, I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST TAKING ANY CONTINGENCY

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IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO COME ACROSS THINGS THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO USE THAT CONTINGENCY FOR.

SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST THAT.

IS THIS CONTRACT A A NOT TO EXCEED OR GROSS MAXIMUM PRICE CONTRACT? OR IS THIS IT IS, IT IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

HOWEVER, UM, WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY THAT WE D HAD NO REASON TO, UH, KNOW WAS GOING TO ARISE.

UM, THERE'S JUST CONDITIONS LIKE THAT, THAT WE STRATEGICALLY PUT THAT CONTINGENCY IN THE PROJECT, UH, TO AVOID AGAINST ANY OVERAGES ON THE BUDGET.

UM, AND THIS EARLY IN, I WOULD, I JUST WOULD SERIOUSLY ADVISE AGAINST TAKING IT OUT.

I'M SURE THERE ARE.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A CONTINGENCY.

I I'M WILLING TO WRITE OF THE CONTRACT AND TAKE, WE'D STILL LEAVE IF WE TOOK A HUNDRED THOUSAND OUT, IT STILL LOSES 140,000 IN CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS WHAT, 2% OF THE BUDGET? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS TYPICALLY USE, BUT THAT'S 2% OF THE BUDGET THERE.

SO TO DO THAT GETS US DOWN TO 134,000.

WITH THE DOORS LEFT IN THERE.

AND UM, AND THIS ONE I'M PRETTY SURE I'M GONNA LOSE ON, UM, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T SHIFT THE PAY GRADE RANGES 4% INSTEAD OF 5.7.

WE, WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF STRAPPED TOGETHER.

THERE WAS THE PAY GRADE RANGES AND RAISING ALL THE CLERKS FROM ONE GRADE TO THE NEXT, FROM GRADE ONE TO GRADE TWO.

WE DID THAT.

I'M NOT ASKING TO BACK OFF ON THAT, WHERE WE ALL NEED ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE SHOULD SHIFT OUR PAY GRADES.

I'M NOT CHANGING THAT.

IN FACT, AGAIN, TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS THE PROBABLY THE STRONGEST ADVOCATE FOR GOING TO 5.7%, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT NUMBERS NOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T GO TO 4% THERE.

SO DOES THAT MONEY COME BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND? THAT, THAT THAT WOULD COME BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

WE PUT 225,000 TRANSFERRING FROM 50 FUND 57 TO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET THE SALARIES OF THE COUNTY CLERKS DEPUTIES.

PAY SCALES FOR A COUPLE YEARS, WHICH I THINK WE NEED TO DO.

SO THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THAT.

SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE SHIFTING THE SCALE.

WELL, THAT WAS THE MONEY THAT COMMISSIONER ALANA NE NEGOTIATED IS THE WRONG WAY OF SAYING IT.

THAT'S HOW IT WAS.

UH, IT WAS, HE, HE FOUND MONEY TO BRING INTO THE BUDGET THAT WOULD OFFSET THE COST OF THAT 5.7% SHIFT CHANGE.

BUT THAT MONEY DEFINITELY HAS TO BE USED ONLY FOR THE COUNTY CLERK.

BUT IT IS AN OFFSET TO THAT 5.7 SHIFT CHANGE.

BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND I THINK FROM OUR DISCUSSION DURING THE BREAK, UH, LISA, THAT IT, IT WORKS TO DO IT THIS WAY TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S IT.

THERE, THERE, THERE IS THAT ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T IS THE 1.7 FOR THE COUNTY CLERK THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TAKE INTO EFFECT IF WE WERE TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER, BECAUSE WE WOULD REDUCE THE PAY TO THE COUNTY CLERK.

IT WOULDN'T BE ALL OF IT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING.

SO IT'S $112,000 DIFFERENCE.

NOW.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I I PROPOSED BOTH PAR BOTH PLANS.

I PROPOSED THE 5.7, AND THEN I TURNED AROUND AND PROPOSED A 4%.

SO, UM, , UH, I, I SEE THE VALUE IN BOTH OF THEM IS THE PROBLEM.

BECAUSE I, I, I SEE YOUR POINT.

AND THAT IS WHEN THE, WHEN, WHEN THE CAL, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CALCULUS CHANGES, SO DOES THE THOUGHT PROCESS, IF WE, IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING ON ONE PATH AND WE VOTED ONE WAY, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE REASON WE WENT THERE IS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT HANDLED AND WE DON'T HAVE IT HANDLED WELL.

AND WE ALL LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE POINTS.

I GET IT.

UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, I VIEWED THESE TWO THINGS AS INTERTWINED.

THE INCREASE THAT WE, WE HEARD A LOT OF INPUT FROM VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT THE CLERKS WERE NOT BEING PAID ENOUGH AND THAT WE NEEDED TO BUMP THEIR PAY GRADE.

AND WE VOTED TO DO THAT.

I DIDN'T HEAR A LOT.

WE, AND WE HEARD, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES THAT WE HAVEN'T ADJUSTED THE

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UM, AND THAT'S AN AGENDA ITEM TODAY, BY THE WAY, JUST TO DO THE ADJUSTMENT.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND I HAD WE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, YESTERDAY'S NUMBERS, I WOULD'VE BEEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I VOTED FOR IT THE OTHER DAY.

AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE GET THERE, BUT I KNOW PROBABLY NOT.

AND WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT GOING FROM 5.7 TO FOUR? WELL, WHAT, WHAT I HEARD IS $112,130.

WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON THE COUNTY CLERK WHAT THE COUNTY CLERK DIFFERENCE IS.

SO WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

AND WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THAT FOR A SECOND.

WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU GAVE? 212, 1 30.

1 1 2, 1 3.

OH.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT GETS US REMARKABLY CLOSE.

I I, IF WE TAKE THE HUNDRED FROM CONTINGENCY AND, AND, AND I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

UM, LET'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THEN WE GO TO MARCH AND WE FIND A HUGE PROBLEM AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE THING IS, IS THE MONEY IS NOT GONNA DISAPPEAR.

IS MY PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINGENCY.

AND, AND, AND HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE THIRD FLOOR, THE DA EXPANSION ARE NOT OUR ONLY MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT EXIST IN THE WORLD OF THE COUNTY.

SO LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER ON THIS PROJECT OR $200,000 OVER THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO BACK TO ANYBODY.

IT GOES BACK TO US.

AND THEN WE COULD REUTILIZE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THREE PROJECT, WELL, TECHNICALLY WE HAVE FOUR BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WHERE WITH THE ANNEX IS NOT DONE.

UM, WE HAVE THE THIRD FLOOR INFILL, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA BE STARTING ON THE DA EXPANSION AS SOMEONE THAT HAS, AND, AND COMMISSIONER ALANA HAS, HAS BEEN IN MY SHOES.

I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING $50,000 FOR DOORS, THAT'S ONE THING.

I MEAN, WE, WE GOT THAT FROM THE, FROM THE EVIDENCE LOCKERS OFFSET.

BUT, BUT WE ARE IN AN OLD BUILDING AND WE'RE TEARING DOWN WALLS AND WE'RE MOVING STUFF AROUND AND IT'S JUST, IT JUST REALLY SCARES ME TO PULL MONEY OUTTA THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

IT DOESN'T SCARE ME TO FIND MONEY.

IT DOESN'T SCARE ME TO DO A, DO A LITTLE BIT OF FINAGLING.

BUT, BUT, BUT I, I THINK $300,000 OF FUND BALANCE IS A STEP TOO FAR IN MY OPINION.

UH, I MEAN, I, I COULD PROBABLY BE PERSUADED IF I COULD GET TO A PRETTY NUMBER TO DO A HUNDRED MORE THOUSAND, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, THE, THE SHERIFF STUFF JUST REALLY, REALLY WORRIES ME BECAUSE WE, WE, WE NEED TO FINISH THAT PROJECT.

I, I, AND I DON'T WANNA GET TO, TO MAY.

AND THEN US SCRAMBLING AND WE HAVE STARTED THE DA'S PROJECT AND WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA MONEY ON THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW.

I AGREE.

AND, AND LISTEN, WE'RE SCRAMBLING TO GET TO THIS ARBITRARY 2, 4, 9, 9 NUMBER FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

AND THERE'S NO OTHER REASON WHY WE'RE WORKING SO HARD RIGHT NOW TO GET TO THIS NUMBER.

I WANNA WORK TO CUT THINGS FOR THE TAXPAYER TOO.

BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT.

THIS 2, 4, 9, 9 NUMBER IS JUST ARBITRARY.

'CAUSE WE, SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA BE IN THE TWO FIVES.

WE HAVE MADE A GOOD BUDGET, Y'ALL, WE MADE A GOOD BUDGET.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, LAUREN.

WE MADE A GOOD BUDGET.

NO, I'M JUST, UH, SMILING AT ME AGAIN.

I'M SMILING.

I'M SMILING, BOBBY, BECAUSE, UH, WE MADE A GREAT BUDGET.

YOU SOUND A LOT LIKE I DID LAST THURSDAY.

YES, I DID.

WHEN I LOST A VOTE FOUR TO ONE, BUT WE DIDN'T.

WE NEED, I LISTEN, I'M READY TO, I'M READY TO TAKE A VOTE.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, YEAH.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK.

BUT I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 0.2515 FOR OUR TAX.

WELL, WELL, HOLD, HOLD UP.

HOLD UP.

CAN'T, CAN'T DO THAT.

CAN'T.

NOPE.

NOT, NOT, CAN'T DO THAT.

SO WE, WE ARE UNDER, UH, AGENDA FIVE, WHICH IS THE BUDGET.

SO WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A BUDGET.

OKAY? THEN WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A TAX RATE.

SO, SO I HAD TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AS IT IS.

I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MOTION, WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

WOULDN'T THAT BE CORRECT? TO APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE TAX RATE WOULD FUND THAT REVENUE ON THE NEXT VOTE.

YOU GOTTA GET THE BUDGET FIRST.

SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE BUDGET HAS AND WHATEVER REVENUE IS NECESSARY FOR IT APPROVED.

AND THEN THE BUDGET HAS TO OBVIOUSLY, OR THE TAX RATE HAS TO WORK WITH THAT.

SO A BUDGET, A MOTION RIGHT NOW DOESN'T CONSIDER, UM, I GUESS WE'VE ALREADY, IT, IT WOULD MEAN THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOCATING IN MONEY FOR THE ANOTHER MONTH FOR THE 503RD DISTRICT COURT.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT, BUNCH OF THINGS, A BUNCH OF THINGS WE HAVEN'T, THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT NUMBER AM I, ? YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS ON THIS SHEET YOU GAVE US, LISA, THAT

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WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH.

SO YEAH, I I THINK THAT WHAT ERIN'S ADVICE TO YOU IS CORRECT.

IF YOU, UH, APPROVE THE INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM THAT TAX RATE MM-HMM .

I THINK THAT WILL SUPPORT THEN THE BUDGET BEING APPROVED AT A HIGHER TAX RATE.

AND THEN YOU GO ON AND APPROVE THE TAX RATE.

BUT I DO, I DO THINK YOU NEED TO, TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU'RE INCREASING REVENUE AT WHAT AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO DO.

NOW ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, I, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TO A 10 MONTH, UM, FIVE OH THIRD COURT, THEN YOU CAN IGNORE THOSE EXPENSES ON THE RE SIDE ON THAT.

I THINK JUST ON THE REVENUE SIDE, YOU NEED TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE THE 328,000 OR 3 29 874 INCREASE IN REVENUE.

IS THAT OKAY, AARON? SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THAT.

SO, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF WE, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE I, I WAS COM I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THIS ONE MONTH PRORATION, AND I KNOW GOT, I GOT MY DATES WRONG EARLIER, BUT, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SOME, SOMEHOW THIS GOT IN HERE.

SO SOMEBODY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, UM, TO SAY THEY NEEDED THIS AND SOMEBODY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ME.

BUT IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE DON'T ADD THESE, EXCUSE ME, IF WE DON'T ADD THESE EXPENSE ITEMS, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COURT OPERATING FROM ONE MONTH, BUT WE CAN'T HIRE ANYBODY DURING THAT MONTH.

THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

SO, EXACTLY.

TECHNICALLY WE WOULD HAVE A COURT OPERATING, BUT WE COULDN'T HIRE ANYBODY IN THERE.

SO WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY JUDGES OF THE EXISTING COURTS, YOU GUYS FIGURED OUT, RIGHT? I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT'S BUDGETED IS FOR YOU TO HIRE YOUR JUDGE DECEMBER 1ST, BUT HE'LL BE A JUDGE WITHOUT A BAILIFF FOR A WHOLE MONTH.

AND THEN A PERSON THEN, THEN HIS COORDINATORS COME ON AND, AND A MONTH LATER AND THEN COURT COULD START.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A JUDGE AND IF PER CHANCE THAT JUDGE WAS ONE OF OUR EXISTING JUDGES THAT GOT MOVED OVER, HE COULDN'T MOVE HIS PEOPLE WITH HIM AT THAT POINT.

AND SO I HAVE, IF, IF WE LOOK AT THE 9 22 THAT YOU GAVE US, UM, LAST NIGHT FOR THE 503RD AND THEN THE, AND THEN IT WAS EIGHT ITEMS. SO ALL FOR ONE THROUGH SEVEN ARE RELATED TO THE 503RD.

AND THEN EIGHT WAS THE CONTRACT SERVICES FOR THE A EQUINE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY SAID, WE'VE ALREADY, UM, MOVED THAT, FOUND THE FUNDING FOR THAT.

THEN THAT COMES OUT TO, AT THIS POINT, 69,890 IS WHAT I'M AS FAR AS INSTEAD OF THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES OF EIGHT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WAS ON OUR REVISION SHEET LAST WEEK.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

I HAVEN'T REDONE THE MATH.

69 8 90 69 8 90 FOR THE, FOR, FOR WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US FOR THE FIVE OH THIRD THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

UM, OH, AND THEN ALSO YOU, YOU, UH, WILL NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, REVENUE A AND B.

UH, OF THAT, THOSE WILL DECREASE THOSE LINE ITEMS. MM-HMM .

SO WE HAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO DO THAT FOR YOUR, FOR WHEN YOU ADOPT THE BUDGET.

SO THAT BRINGS US BACK.

DO WE WANT TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR A FULL-TIME DEPUTY FROM MCCLENDON CHISHOLM BEFORE WE KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO REQUEST? I, I THOUGHT WE JUST DID THAT AS A UNFUNDED.

UNFUNDED.

THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN.

THAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON IT.

SO, SO THE 2 64 7 12, IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER IN THE CALCULATIONS.

UH, JUST, JUST THE FIFTH.

SO, SO JUST TO CLEAN THAT UP 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET AROUND IT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE MCCLENDON CHISHOLM DEPUTY INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND THE DISPATCH SERVICES, UM, UH, REDUCTION OF 314,712 SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET.

AND I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE THAT.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND ONE DISCUSSION.

THERE'S GONNA BE A CLARIFICATION.

A CLARIFICATION.

YOU SAID MCCLENDON CHISHOLM, I COULD YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION TO SAY MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM AND ROY CITY? I THOUGHT I DID.

MCCLENNAN CHISHOLM.

I'M, I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE MCCLENDON CHISHOLM DEPUTY INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND THEN THE ROY CITY DISPATCH SERVICES REVENUE.

SO I, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO BE CLEARER AND I'LL AMEND MY SECOND THEN.

WE'VE GOT AN AMENDED MOTION, WE'VE GOT AN AMENDED SECOND.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE

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TO ZERO.

AND THEN BY MY CALCULATIONS, THE 2 5 1 5, WHICH IS THE NUMBER COMMISSIONER ALANA IS TALKING ABOUT, WOULD BE A $15,000 INCREASE TO CONTINGENCY, BASICALLY, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T REALLY ASSIGN THAT TO ANYTHING.

UM, OR WE COULD FIND THAT WEIRD TAX RATE IN BETWEEN THE TWO, THE 25 10 AND THE 25 15.

I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.

YEAH, I, YEAH, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.

I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.

I WOULD, UM, SO MY MOTION WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE THE 3 14, 7 12 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE THEN, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT TAX RATE ON THIS SHEET, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TAKE YOUR MOTION.

CALCULATE, TAKE A BREAK, GET THE FULL CALCULATIONS BEFORE WE MAKE OFFICIAL TRUE COURT ACTION.

I'M GONNA, OKAY, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.

HOLD ON.

HOLD ON, LAURA.

OKAY, SORRY.

WELL, WE CAN STILL MOTION IN SECOND THEN DISCUSS.

WE CAN, RIGHT.

I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE, UH, APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE ADDITIONAL $314,712 AT HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.

MAN, IT'S GONNA , OH, I'LL SECOND IT.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

NOW FURTHER CONVERSATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THAT MOTION.

UH, HO HO HOLD UP.

I'M GONNA NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.

CAN WE, UNDER DISCUSSION, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND A MOTION? YOU CAN DISCUSS THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE AND THEN IF IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND, AMEND THAT MOTION BY REMOVING, UM, BY CHANGING BY REMOVING 130 3008, NO, I'M SORRY, 112,130 FROM THE EXPENSE ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, DONE BY SHIFTING THE PAY RANGES ON OUR PERFORMANCE PAY, UH, BY 4% RATHER THAN 5.7%.

AND WE'VE GOT ONE MOTION.

YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU'VE GOTTA DISCUSS THE MOTION AND, AND EITHER VOTE ON IT OR TABLE IT.

NO, I CAN AMEND A MOTION.

YOU, YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION.

I AMENDED THEM, BUT I CAN MOVE TO AMEN.

IT, I'LL ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT RIGHT.

I CAN MOVE TO AMEND IT.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK I CAN AMEND AN AMENDMENT.

I DO NOT ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO.

I THINK I CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT AND IF I DON'T GET A SECOND, I DON'T GET A SECOND, BUT I THINK I CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT.

I, I I, I I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK ONCE THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT LOCKS IT IN, WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION OR NO ACTION.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN DISCUSS AND THEN EITHER TAKE ACTION OR NOT TAKE ACTION.

SO THAT'S RIGHT.

VOTE AGAINST.

SO WITH, WITHOUT SAYING I MAKE A MOTION.

WELL, LET ME TELL YOU WHY I DON'T WANNA VOTE AGAINST IT AND WHY I WISH WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS MOTION AT THIS POINT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE WALK OUT OF HERE WITH A UNANIMOUS BUDGET AND THAT WE HAVE AS COURT AGREE UPON IT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT TO YOU AND THAT'S FINE.

UM, IT MAY NOT BE TO ANYBODY ELSE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE DO.

AND I FEEL WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING YET.

AND, UM, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO GET TURNED DOWN ON THOSE ITEMS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THEM AND I FEEL I HAVEN'T BEEN, AND SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, I I DON'T SEE, I HAVE MUCH CHOICE AT THIS POINT GIVEN THE PARLIAMENTARY RULING.

WELL, BUT I JUST, I, I, FOR THE RECORD, I THINK WE JUMPED AHEAD ON THIS VOTE BEFORE WE HAD TO, BECAUSE ONCE WE VOTE ON THIS, IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, WE'VE JUST APPROVED OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? WE'VE APPROVED OUR BUDGET.

I MEAN, WE'RE DONE.

WE'RE MOVING ON PASSES.

AND IT DOES NOT PASS THREE TO TWO.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR TWO HOURS NEARLY ABOUT, UH, DO YOU, ARE YOU WANTING TO TRY TO TAKE A VOTE ON YOUR 4% VERSUS 5.7? I MEAN, I, YEP, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON.

OKAY, THEN I WILL, UH, I WILL.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOCKED IN WITH THE SECOND SO I COULD, WELL, I COULD, UH, WE COULD TABLE IT, COULDN'T WE? CAN WE TABLE IT? YES.

YES, YOU MAY.

AND I, I WOULD LEAD THAT BACK TO WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION IS WILLING TO I WILL, I WILL TABLE IT FOR THAT VOTE, LAUREN, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, BOBBY.

OKAY, SO MOTION IS TABLE.

SO NOW, SO DO I GET TO MAKE A MOTION NOW? NOW, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE IN A WIDE OPEN FIELD.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION, OKAY? YES, SIR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE EXPENDITURES IN THE BUDGET BY $112,130, UH, WHICH WILL BE REALIZED THROUGH CHANGING THE PAY RANGE INCREASE IN OUR PAY GRADES FROM 5.7% TO 4%.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW,

[01:50:01]

CONSTITUTIONAL COURT JUDGE.

ONE MORE QUESTION WHILE WE'RE EVERYTHING'S TABLED, HAVE WE DECIDED CAN WE TAKE THE DOORS OUT OF THIS FUND? HAVEN'T DECIDED.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE CAN, WHICH THE JUDGE WILL BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T.

NO.

OH NO.

CAN'T I I LOOKED IT UP.

IT'S IN THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE AND, UH, I'LL TRY NOT TO SOUND TOO LEGAL.

AARON, JUMP IN IF I DO.

UM, IT SAYS, UH, A COURTHOUSE THAT HOUSES A DISTRICT, COUNTY, OR JUSTICE COURT.

IT SAYS HOUSES THOSE.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE CROSSING A LINE THERE.

DOES IT HAVE TO HOUSE ALL OF THOSE OR IS IT, IT SAID OR, OR 'CAUSE IF IT'S OR WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A COUNTY.

WE'RE WE'RE A COUNTY COURT.

WHEN YOU DO PROBATE, RIGHT? WE ARE.

I MEAN, WHAT OTHER, IF HE DOES PROBATE, WHAT UNDER WHAT MUNICIPALITY OR UNDER WHAT FORM OF GOVERNMENT DOES THAT ALL FALL OFFICE? THE, THE COUNTY JUDGE OF EVERY 254 COUNTIES IN TEXAS IS AN ELECTED COUNTY.

COUNTY, COUNTY.

SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING, SO, SO AARON, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

THIS IS THE BUILDING IN WHICH HE CONDUCTS COURT.

HE WOULD NOT, NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COMMISSION'S COURT, WHICH IS PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE.

NO, HE WOULD, BUT ACTUALLY HAS COURT IN ANY FORM OR CAPACITY.

THIS IS THAT COURT BUILDING? YES.

TELECONFERENCING, 30 GRAND BAILIFFS DEPUTY SHERIFFS SIGNAGE.

HANG ON A SECOND.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER? ? HEY, YOU'RE THE LAWYER.

WELL, YOU LIKE THAT LAWYER? ANSWER NO.

IF HE CONDUCTS COURT, HE IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTY COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.

AND IF THIS IS THE COURT BUILDING IN WHICH HE CONDUCTS COURT, THIS IS HIS COURTHOUSE.

SO DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN TAKE FUNDS FROM THIS COURT? WHAT CALL COURT IMPROVEMENT FUND AND USED THEM TO REPLACE THE FOUR, FOUR DOORS THAT WERE WE GOT IN PLACE? I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CPRC SECTION THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE, OR THE COURT OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE SECTION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY TO CONSULT THIS.

YEAH, IT BASIC.

SO IT'S A COURT SECURITY FINE.

IT'S BASICALLY, IT SAYS THE USE OF, UH, X-RAY MACHINES, UH, HANDHELD METAL DETECTORS, WALKTHROUGH METAL DETECTORS, ID CARDS, ELECTRONIC LOCKING.

OH, WE HAVE THAT VIDEO.

UH, HOW, HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GONNA BE HOLDING COURT HERE? IT JUST DEPENDS.

UM, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS.

I, I, I WILL BE AN OPTION FOR PROBATE.

JUDGE WILLIAMS WILL BE AN OPTION FOR PROBATE WHENEVER HE TRANSITIONS TO DISTRICT.

IF, IF HE TRANSITIONS TO DISTRICT, I ANTICIPATE DOING A LOT MORE PROBATE.

UM, WILL YOU BE HAVING A COURTROOM OR WILL YOU BE DOING IT ONLINE? UH, BOTH.

BOTH, JUST DEPENDING UPON, UM, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

AND, AND IT MAY BE HERE, IT MAY BE IN MY OFFICE.

I DON'T SEE THAT TALKS ABOUT DOORS, BUT WE DO HAVE $30,000 IN THE BUDGET TO ADD, UM, ACCESS CONTROLS TO THE HANDICAPPED DOOR IN THIS BUILDING.

DOESN'T GET US ALL THE WAY TO THE 55,000.

AND THAT WAS COMING OUT ONE OF THE FUNDS, RIGHT? NO, THAT WAS JUST OKAY.

GENERAL.

SO I'M SAYING WE COULD, I MEAN, IF THE, THAT, THAT WOULD BE 30,000.

THAT FEELS TO ME LIKE IT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT.

AND WE'RE TO, FOR THE RECORD, UH, COMMISSIONER STACY, IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD STILL BE SPENDING THE MONEY WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'D JUST BE TAKING IT FROM A DIFFERENT FUND AND IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND IT WOULD BE THE ACCESS CONTROL.

UM, NOW THE PRO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN THIS FUND, BUT HOLD ON THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE MY BRAIN WAS GOING.

, CAN WE GET CHAIRS FROM THAT FUND PLEASE? NO.

CHAIRS WHERE I HAD A FUND BALANCE SHEET.

YEAH, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

OKAY, I GOT IT.

I GOT IT.

I FOUND IT.

SORRY.

IT'S $329,299 SITS IN THAT FUND TODAY.

OH, WOW.

WHICH NUMBER IS IT? TWO.

WAIT, THAT'S, IT'S FUND 59, RIGHT? THAT'S THE FUND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

LISA.

IT'S FUND 59 SECURITY SHERIFF.

YOU LOOK ANTSY BACK THERE.

IS THERE ? OKAY.

YOU WANNA, IF, IF WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT, I THINK CONTINGENT ON YOUR STARTING TO PULL COURT MM-HMM .

UM, SO I, I LET, LET'S TAKE DOORS AND THE COURTHOUSE AND, AND THE CARD.

[01:55:03]

STARTS.

IF WE CAN DO, AND WE STILL GETTING THINGS FIXED, WE NEED TO GET, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, COURTHOUSE COURTHOUSE SECURITY.

OH, OKAY.

SO WHAT DID, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY, FRANK, TO JUDGE NEW? ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANTED DO THE, THE 85? YES.

YEAH, LET'S TAKE BOTH.

WHAT'S THE FUND CALLED? FUND 59.

FUND 59.

OKAY, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS.

SO CAN'T WE MAKE A MOTION? I'M ASKING A QUESTION.

I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION.

CAN'T WE MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS, UM, IF THOSE FUND, IF COMMENCING UPON JUDGE NEW ACTUALLY ACTING AS A COUNTY COURT, CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTY COURT, I GUESS IT IS CALLED MM-HMM .

UH, THAT ONCE THAT BEGINS, THE FUNDS FOR THAT ITEM WOULD BE TAKEN FROM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? FUND 59 COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND NINE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FOR REPAIRING THE DOORS.

AND, UM, THE $30,000 FOR THE ELECTRONIC DOOR, WHICH BRINGS US 80,000 IN REVENUE.

IT'S 85.

85.

SO, SO, SO LISA, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, WHAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON IS YOU TAKING $85,000 OF FUND BALANCE AND PUTTING IT INTO THE BUDGET.

BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO AGREE TO USE THE MONEY, IS MY POINT.

SO JUST WALK ME, JUST FOLLOW MY LOGIC FOR A SECOND.

SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE WANT TO MOVE THE 55,000 ON THE DOOR, AND WE WANNA MOVE THE ACCESS CONTROLS TO THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON JUDGE NEW BECAUSE IF JUDGE NEW DOESN'T COME HERE AND WORK HERE, THE AUDITOR AND THE TREASURER WOULD NEVER APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT STATUTORY RULES.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS TAKE THE $85,000 AND THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY FUND AND PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET.

WELL, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU'RE USING IT FOR A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE, ESPECIALLY AT LEAST THE 55 HOUSE AND AUTHORIZED FIRST.

WELL, WELL, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU CAN DO THE ELECTRONIC DOORS EITHER UNTIL HE STARTS SERVING AS JUDGE.

TRUE.

BUT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT THE LINE ITEM FOR HIS HISTORIC COURTHOUSE ACCESS CONTROLS AND DOORS.

BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT GETS DONE.

WE WE'RE ADDING THE LINE ITEM.

SO I'M SAYING WE DON'T NEED YOUR CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE'RE JUST MAKING THE LINE ITEM AND TAKING IT OUTTA GENERAL FUND.

WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON, WHEN DO YOU START BEING AVAILABLE FOR PROBATE? OCTOBER ONE.

BUT IT'S GOTTA HAPPEN.

WELL, WE, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION CONTINGENT ON THAT HAPPENING.

IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I'VE ALREADY MET THIS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THRESHOLD.

WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE NEW BUDGET YEAR.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE WAITING ON.

YEAH, YOU CAN SAY AS LONG AS, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THESE DOORS AND THAT FUND, AND IT'S, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT OUR ATTORNEY HAS TOLD US THAT THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS FOR THAT FUND.

GET IT, GET A RUN AT IT, .

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CONTINGENT UPON, OR AT SUCH TIME CONTINGENT UPON, UH, JUDGE NEW, UH, ACTING IN HIS CAPACITY, UH, AS A CONSTITUTIONAL COURT JUDGE IN THIS COURTHOUSE.

WE TAKE $85,000 FROM FUND 59 TO BE USED FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THE EAST AND WEST DOORS, UM, AND REPLACEMENT OF THEM AND FOR THE REPAIR OF THE ELECTRONIC DOOR DOWN THERE.

HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICK.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

ANYTHING ELSE? SO, SO, UH, SO HOLD, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON.

COMMISSIONER GOLAN.

SO, OKAY.

BASICALLY WE STARTED AT THREE 14 OR AT 2 29.

SEVEN 12.

THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FROM, FOR COURT CHAIRS FROM $5,000 TO $2,000.

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? 2 2 9 7 1 2.

ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD QUESTION.

WELL, IF WE CAN FIND $3,000, WE HIT 2 5, 1 0.

UM,

[02:00:01]

THERE'S YOUR $3,000 SECOND BINGO.

HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ICKIER.

VERY QUICK SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

UH, LET'S REGISTER OUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

I THINK WE CAN MOVE MORE COURT.

THAT'S NOT GONNA SHOCK ANYBODY.

UM, SO THAT GETS US TO 2, 2 5, 7.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.

I WAS TRYING TO CLAIM AN EXTRA, YOU'RE TRYING TO GO OVER REALLY HARD.

I WAS TRYING TO CLAIM AN EXTRA THOUSAND.

I I JUST, I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE WE, WE WROTE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT I, I CAN'T GET OVER.

AND AS MUCH AS I WANNA KEEP MOVING THIS BUDGET DOWN, AND AS, AS, AS I, I WANT TO HEAR IDEAS, I'M, I'M OPEN TO IDEAS, BUT I, I DON'T LIKE CUTTING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST BECAUSE I, I'M JUST SCARED TO DEATH OF WHERE THAT PROJECT'S GONNA GO.

BUT IF WE WANNA HAVE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE, WE CAN HAVE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE ON SOME OF THESE SAVINGS.

I I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A QUESTION TO THE TREASURER.

UM, MR. PEAK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR $226,000, $712.

HOW CAN WE FIND THAT AND, AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US TO GENERATE THAT IN, IN INTEREST EARNINGS? SURE.

INTEREST RATES ARE A, A TOUGH ONE TO PREDICT.

THAT'S MY DISCLAIMER.

UH, I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL RESERVE TRANSFERS OR RESERVE FUNDING OF THE CURRENT BUDGET, I BELIEVE Y'ALL WENT FROM 1.1 MILLION TO 1.5 AND THEN CONSIDERING TO 1.8, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE THAT Y'ALL SHOOT TO HAVE NO LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS OF EXPENDITURES AVAILABLE.

WE'VE NEVER EVEN BEEN CLOSE TO THAT.

WE WILL TREND DOWN THROUGH DECEMBER UNTIL THE NEW TAX DOLLARS START COMING IN, IN THE FIRST PART OF CALENDAR YEAR 2026.

AND THEN WE WILL BE ROBUST THROUGH THE ENTIRE REST OF FISCAL YEAR 2026.

ALL THAT TO SAY, IF Y'ALL WANT TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND BALANCE, GENERAL FUND RESERVE FUNDING OF THE FY 2026 BUDGET, I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT WE WOULD BE AT A LEVEL ONCE THOSE TRANSFERS ARE MADE, THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY CONCERN TO VIOLATE THE POLICY OR TO BE WHERE WE COULDN'T PAY THE BILLS OR THAT WOULD AFFECT A BOND RATING BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS.

WELL, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH FOR THE SAME REASON I WAS OPPOSED TO THAT LAST WEEK.

I'D BE OPPOSED TO THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ADVICE ALSO, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ADVICE AND I DON'T, DON'T DISCOUNT IT, BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN ADVISED BY OUR AUDITOR THAT WE SHOULD BE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX.

I WAS HOPING WE'D BE AT FIVE, BUT I LOST THAT VOTE LAST WEEK.

SO NOW WE'RE BELOW THAT.

AND I JUST, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF TAKING MORE MONEY OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.

WELL, AND I THINK IT'S FOR THAT UN FUND BALANCE.

I'M SORRY, I, I THINK IT, IT'S GOOD TO, TO REALIZE THAT YOUR, LIKE PEAK WAS TELLING YOU, YOUR, YOUR TAX, UH, IN YOUR COLLECTIONS DON'T START REALLY UNTIL JANUARY.

SO YOU'RE LIVING ON THAT FUND BALANCE FROM OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER.

THAT'S WHAT'S PAYING THE SALARIES, PAYING THE ELECTRIC BILLS.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE YOUR MONEY IN THE BANK IS PAYING UNTIL YOUR TAX COLLECTIONS START COMING IN.

SO AS, AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT FOUR POINT, WHAT, NINE MONTHS? FOUR? 4.9.

4.9 AND TAKING AN ADDITIONAL 2 29, WE'LL DROP US TO 4.8 MONTHS.

NOT EVEN, IT WAS 4.7 AROUND, BUT I, I, I, I'M STILL ON, UH, THIS IS WHERE PEAK AND I DISAGREE.

I, I, I'M NOT A FAN OF, OF, OF CONTINUING USING FUND BALANCE TO USE FOR, UH, EX ONGOING EXPENDITURES IS NOT THE WAY TO OPERATE THE COUNTY.

SO I'M, I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT EITHER.

BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL ONE TIME EXPENSES.

AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY MORE THAN, I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT.

I'M NOT A FAN OF TAX INCREASES WITHOUT FIGHTING FOR EVERY NICKEL.

[02:05:01]

UM, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT, JUDGE.

CAN I SAY JUST TWO MORE QUICK THINGS BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT THE INTEREST EARNINGS, AND I KIND OF PUNTED THAT BECAUSE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT.

UM, BUT THERE WILL BE INTEREST EARNINGS THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF FISCAL YEAR 2026.

IT WILL BE HEALTHY, IT WILL BE GENERAL FUND, UH, INTEREST EARNINGS.

IT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT IS.

I DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE.

I CAN GET YOU AN ESTIMATE THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THE AUDITOR IS CORRECT.

SHE AND I DO DISAGREE SOMEWHAT ON THE INTENT AND THE LANGUAGE OF THAT RESERVE POLICY.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE THE COURT COULD LOOK AT AFTER THE DUST SETTLES HERE BECAUSE THE AUDITOR IS LOOKING AT THE FUND BALANCE, INCLUDING THE ENCUMBERED COMMITMENTS OF THE COUNTY AS WELL AS WHAT THE, THE ANNUAL OUTSIDE AUDIT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THEY LIST THAT.

I LOOK AT CASH AND I LOOK AT INVESTMENTS AND I LOOK AT TRENDS OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE.

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE COME EVEN CLOSE TO THE FOUR MONTHS.

EVEN WHEN WE HAD HUGE TRANSFERS FOR THE RADIO PROJECT.

UH, IT WAS A RADIO TOWER DOWN IN MCCLENDONS A DECADE AGO WHERE WE DREW DOWN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO I RESPECT THE AUDITOR'S POSITION, AND AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, PAYING THE BILLS, ENSURING THAT WE DO NOT FALL BELOW THAT FOUR TO SIX MONTH, UH, GENERAL FUND RESERVE POLICY.

AND IT IS HEALTHY.

I HESITATE TO OFFER ANY ADVICE AND I WOULDN'T HAVE JUDGE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE OFFERED, UH, INVITED ME UP HERE.

BUT, UM, THE FUND IS HEALTHY, UM, WHERE, WHERE Y'ALL DO THESE TRANSFERS, THAT'S YOUR CALL.

UM, BUT SINCE YOU'RE UP HERE, MR. PEAK, UM, THE BUDGET HAS A LINE ITEM FOR INTEREST, 2 MILLION BUCKS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THAT THAT IS THE, THE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO PUT $2 MILLION.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S ALREADY IN HERE.

IT IS.

AND IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PREVIOUS YEARS, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE PREVIOUS YEARS SHOWED ON THAT INTEREST EARNINGS ON THAT GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS SOME, SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS, UM, THAT WE ACCRUE INTEREST.

THEY VARIED FROM, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOW OF $718,000 TO A HIGH OF 2.53 MILLION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WHAT, WHAT, SO 2 MILLION, I MEAN, IF ANYTHING BASED UPON PAST YEARS IS PROBABLY AGGRESSIVE THAT, THAT 2 MILLION, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT WAS, WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.

WHAT HAPPENED IS DURING THE, THE COVID YEARS, UH, INTEREST RATES COLLAPSED AND THAT'S WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE NEAR AS MUCH INTEREST EARNINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE BEEN HEALTHY.

AND THAT $2 MILLION IS A NICE ROUND NUMBER THAT, UH, I ANTICIPATE NOT HAVING A PROBLEM GETTING TO.

AGAIN, DON'T MEAN TO ARGUE WITH YOU SURE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE THE EXPERT, BUT YOU, WE'VE GOT FOUR PRIOR YEARS LISTED HERE.

AND ONLY IN ONE OF THOSE DID WE EXCEED $2 MILLION AND INTEREST RATES JUST WENT DOWN.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THE, THE, THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE GOT, SOME OF THOSE ARE LOCKED IN FOR FIVE YEARS.

THOSE INTEREST RATES, SOME OF THEM ARE IN GOVERNMENT POOLS THAT HAVE LAGGING INTEREST SO THAT EVEN IF THE RATES GO DOWN, THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST EARNINGS THE COUNTY HAS, WILL, WILL TAPER DOWN VERY, VERY SLOWLY.

IT'S NOT GONNA COLLAPSE WITH THE STOCK MARKET OR ANY OTHER YIELDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

IT'S VERY STABLE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

AND APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR WISE STEWARDSHIP OF IT.

BUT MY GUESS IS, AND I COULD BE WRONG, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BECAUSE THE THOUGHT WAS, IS THERE ANY MORE MONEY WE COULD DROP INTO INTEREST? AND SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT 2 MILLION BUDGET FOR INTEREST, I WOULDN'T THINK THERE'S MORE THAN WE COULD ADD IN PROJECT IN FOR INTEREST , LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, I'M NOT ASKING YOU A QUESTION.

I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.

I I I WOULDN'T, I I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE IN THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THAT, YOU MAY HAVE SAID THIS COMMISSIONER, UM, UM, TI BUT WE RECEIVED THE, UM, STATEMENT OF REVENUE FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, UM, LAST WEEK.

AND RIGHT NOW THE INTEREST YEAR TO DATE IS 1.536.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HIT 2 MILLION THIS YEAR PROBABLY.

WELL, AND WE ONLY BUDGETED 1.6.

I KNOW, BUT WE'RE BUDGETING 2 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR.

YEAH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST YES, I, I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

TO FIND A ONE-TIME PURCHASE FOR THAT.

DAVID PEAK.

I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRANSFER $226,712 FROM FUND BALANCE, UH, AND, AND INSTRUCT THE AUDITOR

[02:10:01]

SO WE HAVE MY MOTION AND IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

I'M GONNA UNT MY MOTION AND REMIND US OF THAT MOTION.

THAT WAS A MINUTE AGO.

WELL, IT WAS TO APPROVE THE BUDGET BEFORE AT AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE OF 3 14, 7 12, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT 2, 2 6 7 12 MM-HMM .

AND MY MOTION AMENDED MOTION THEN IS, IS TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OF $226,712.

GOT AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

REMIND ME, WHO SECONDED THAT? I, WELL, I SECONDED IT.

DO, DO YOU ACCEPT THE, THE AMENDED? I'LL, I'LL, YES.

I'LL SECOND IT AGAIN.

HE AMENDED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WE'RE JUST, I I'M NOT ARGUING THE POINT.

I WANNA VOTE WITH YOU.

YES, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.

I TOOK THE 85,000 OFF OF WHAT, UH, IN YOUR 3000.

SO I BELIEVE WE TOOK 88,000 OFF OF WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS.

SO THAT WAS STARTING WITH THE THREE 14 NUMBER.

WHICH WAS WHERE WE WERE, HAD GONE DOWN.

AND WE WENT $88,000 OFF OF THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 2 26, 7 12 CAME FROM.

AND HERE'S MY QUESTION.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON A NUMBER OF REVENUE, OR ARE WE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER VOTE LATER ON THAT YOU WANT TO MEET A TOTAL REVENUE DOLLAR? BECAUSE I THINK IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE RIGHT? IS TOTAL REVENUE.

THIS JUST APPROVES ADDING 226 TO SOME NUMBER WE WERE AT BEFORE.

YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT THEN I THINK YOU'D NEED TO DO ANOTHER MOTION LATER TO APPROVE THE TOTAL REVENUE IN THE BUDGET.

I THINK SO IT WOULD BE ADDING 2 26, 7 12 TO THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT.

59,106,873.

AND COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THE 2 26 7 8 9 FOR THE 0.251.

OH, YOU WANT ME TO MAKE IT NICE AND CLEAN? YES.

YES, PLEASE.

I'LL AGAIN, AMEND MY MOTION.

LET, LET, LET, LET'S JUST SCRAP THIS MOTION AND START OVER.

I'LL MAKE IT, WE'RE OKAY.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE A TABLED MOTION THOUGH.

WE, WE DO HAVE A TABLED MOTION.

SO, SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

YOU JUST WANNA CLEAN IT UP AND JUST VOTE YOUR TABLED MOTION DOWN AND WE CAN JUST MOVE ON AND, AND, AND DO IT HOW YOU WANT.

DO IT.

LET, LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT.

LET'S, AND I'M NOT TELLING ANYBODY HOW TO VOTE OTHER THAN I'M TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO VOTE.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND BRING, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GLENN.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

THAT'S VERY LIKELY TO CHANGE IF THIS DOESN'T PASS.

ALRIGHT.

BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THIS APPLE, RIGHT? BOBBY, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Y YES, WE ARE.

IT FAILS FOUR TO ONE, TECHNICALLY FIVE TO ONE.

I AM GONNA MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

SO THIS, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN ADDITIONAL $226,712 TO THE TOTAL HOLD, HOLD.

I'LL SECOND THAT ONE.

AND WE'RE, OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

SO I JUST WANNA START THE DISCUSSION BY SAYING, UH, I STILL THINK WE COULD FIND MORE MONEY, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE FINDING MONEY WHERE COMMISSIONER LTE IS COMFORTABLE FINDING MONEY, WHERE I'M COMFORTABLE FINDING MONEY IS ALL IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AND, AND THAT'S PUTTING US IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A TIGHT SPOT.

AND, UM, I I, THERE ARE A FEW POSITIONS WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, IF WE WANTED IT TO CUT IT TIGHTER, I, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST REALLY BAD THAT WE CAN'T SLEEP ON.

THIS IS MY ONLY POINT BECAUSE WE CAN'T, BUT, BUT YOU, BUT YOU SAID WHILE AGO YOU WERE REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.

I KNOW WHERE WE'VE GONE AND NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACK.

YOU'RE IAN NOT THAT I EVEN SAID I DON'T LIKE THE RAISING OF THE, THE TAXES, BUT I, BUT AGAIN, I'M WITH YOU.

I DON'T THINK, I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS COURT CAN MOVE TO TAKE MORE MONEY OUTTA THIS BUDGET.

I DON'T SEE IT.

AND NO ONE HAS SHOWN ME A SPOT WHERE WE AS A GROUP CAN SAY, WE ARE COMFORTABLE DOING THIS.

WE'RE FIVE.

WELL, I KNOW I'M SAYING YOU HAVE IDEAS.

I HAVE IDEAS.

FRANK HAS IDEAS AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE STANDING ALONE SAYING, I HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE, OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE.

A HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE CONSENSUS OF, OF, OF THREE VOTES, RIGHT? YOU'RE CORRECT.

I ACTUALLY, ON THAT LAST THING YOU SAID, I DO AGREE WITH YOU, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET CONSENSUS.

I I'M STILL TRYING TO, GOING BACK TO THIS MOTION, WHICH I REALLY WANT VOTE

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FOR.

UM, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS YOU'RE ADDING 2 26 789 TO THE 59 1 0 6 873.

AND LISA, WHAT DOES IT GIVE US FOR A FINAL BUDGET NUMBER? WE'RE VOTING ON 59.

DO 30 $59,333,662 6 62.

5 9 3 3 3 6 62, UM, IS THE TOTAL REVENUE WE GET FROM THAT.

AND THAT'S, YOU AGREE WITH THAT, MELISSA, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

TELL ME YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

DID I DO MATH CORRECTLY? I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR MATH SKILLS.

JUST THIS IS, THIS IS A VOTE.

THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT VOTE GETTING DAY, RIGHT? YES.

IT'S, WE'RE ALL GETTING, GETTING LONG IN THE DAY OVER, WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN A, UH, NO, SIR.

SIX FIVE.

I HAD 59.

3 33.

6 62.

DID YOU TAKE OUT THE, UH, REVENUE THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED? HUH? YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THE OH, WE DIDN'T REDUCE THAT.

SO NOW YOU GOTTA TAKE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S $59,018,950.

59 0 1 8 5 9, UH, 9 5 0 9 5 0.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON NOW, THIS IS ITEM ITEM FIVE ON OUR BUDGET.

RIGHT? IS THIS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER VOTE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS PASSES WELL, UNLESS THIS COME DOWN PASSES.

UNLESS FAIL.

SO WE'RE VOTING ON ADOPTING, UH, THIS IS DISCUSSION.

JO BOBBY, YOUR MOTION IS TO ADOPT A ROCKWALL COUNTY BUDGET FOR A FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE WITH, WITH A TOTAL REVENUE BUDGETED OF 59 MILLION 0 1 8 9 5 0.

I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S CORRECT.

CAN WE TAKE A PAUSE? BECAUSE THE BUDGET WE WERE HANDED YESTERDAY IS 59 1 0 6 8 73.

AND THEN WE NEED OH, OH, BECAUSE WE TOOK STUFF OUT.

RIGHT? WE TOOK REVENUE OUT.

SORRY.

I, I I WITHDRAW MY COMMENT.

AND, UM, I, I WOULD MAKE JUST ONE AND MY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, PLEASE.

EXCUSE ME.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

IF WE GO AT THAT NUMBER, THEN THE NEXT THING WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO APPROVE A TAX RATE.

WHAT TAX RATE WOULD THAT THEN REQUIRE US TO APPROVE? I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING ON A TAX RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT WOULD IT REQUIRE US TO APPROVE 2 5 1 0 2 5 1 0? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND YOU, YOU SAID THAT THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE, EXCUSE ME, REVENUE OF 59,018,950.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE REVENUE.

IT WOULD BE EXPENSES.

WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IS SPENDING 59 18 9 50.

DO I NEED TO INCLUDE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IN MY MOTION? DO I ALWAYS BETTER FOR CLARITY'S SAKE? YES.

LET ME AMEND, LET ME AMEND THE MOTION AGAIN.

I'M GONNA AMEND IT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ADD THE $226,789 TO COME UP WITH A FINAL TOTAL OF 59 MILLION OH ONE EIGHT.

AND I CAN'T READ MY OWN HANDWRITING.

9 5 0.

HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.

FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS GONNA BE A ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. MORE QUESTIONS? OH, OKAY.

WELL, NO, I, I I WAS FINE UNTIL I JUDGE YOUR COMMENT.

KIND OF CONFUSED ME.

EXPENSES.

SO WE'RE WE'RE, ISN'T THAT THE SAME AS NOT NECESS? NOT NECESSARILY.

SO THERE WILL BE MORE REVENUE COME IN THAN, THAN THESE EXPENSES EVERY YEAR? YEAH, EVERY YEAR.

SO WE'RE APPROVING EXPENSES AS OUTLINED IN THE BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES A CONTINGENCY OF HOW MUCH? 500.

NOW IT HAS A WEIRD ONE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE $90 MORE, WHATEVER, .

RIGHT? IT WOULD STILL BE OVER THE 600,000.

WE'D STILL BE OVER THE 600,000.

HOLE AND REDUCED IT BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

AND, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO, FOR MY PER FOR, FOR PEOPLE LISTENING, WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE, UH, VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, WHICH WAS 0.2521.

AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE TO COMMISSIONER STACY'S COMMENTS, WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO TWO TO 0.2510.

AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, WE, WE DID FIND, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND WE SAW, WE, WE GAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GROUPS THAT CAME TO US.

BUT WE STILL SAVED MONEY.

AND THEN THIS MORNING WE TOOK A $314,000

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BINGO.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SO WE HAVE THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

WE HAVE THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, THIS WILL BE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO NOT REGISTER YOUR VOTE UNTIL I CALL YOUR NAME AND THEN REGISTER YOUR VOTE.

COMMISSIONER GLENN, IF YOU WOULD REGISTER YOUR VOTE NOW.

COMMISSIONER M**K? YES.

VOTE YES.

COMMISSIONER LTI? YES.

COMMISSIONER STACY? YES.

AND I WILL REGISTER A NO.

AND THE BUDGET PASSES FOUR TO ONE.

WE TOOK A LONG ROAD.

WE DID HERE.

I THOUGHT I WOULD HEAR SOME APPLAUSE FROM SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE.

, , .

NO, WE, WE JUST AGREED TO SPEND 59 MILLION.

THERE WILL BE NO APPLAUSE COMING.

APPLAUDING THAT.

NOT APPLAUDING THAT.

SO WHAT WELL, WELL, WELL DONE.

I DO WANNA JUDGE, SORRY.

WE'LL JUST NEED A COUPLE MINUTES TO DO A NEW TAX ORDER WITH A NEW TAX RATE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

WELL, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING, ? OKAY.

WE WILL, LET'S TAKE, UH, A 10 MINUTE BREAK, RIGHT? OKAY.

MOVED ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ADOPTING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY TAX RATE FOR 2025 FISCAL YEAR 2026, AND TAKE A RECORD VOTE IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION.

WE'RE

[6. Discuss/Act on adopting the Rockwall County Tax Rate for 2025 (Fiscal Year 2026) and take record vote, and all related issues; (Judge New- Auditor)]

COMMISSIONERS, THE, THE LANGUAGE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE TAX RATE IS VERY SPECIFIC.

VERY SPECIFIC.

AND THERE'S ABOUT THREE PAGES OF THIS LANGUAGE.

RATE OF INTEREST PER ANNUM AS PROVIDED BY LAW IN ADDITION TO THE PENALTIES PROVIDED HEREIN.

UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT A TAX RATE ORDER OF THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL, TEXAS LEVIED AS OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, THE AVALOR TAXES FOR THE YEAR 2025 AT A RATE OF 0.2510 PER $100 ASSESSED VALUATION ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE REVENUES FOR THE PAYMENT OF CURRENT EXPENSES AND PROVIDING FOR DUE AND DELINQUENT OF CURRENT DATES TOGETHER WITH PENALTIES AND INTEREST APPROVING THE 2025 TAX ROLL, PROVIDING FOR EXEMPTIONS OF PERSON OVER 65 YEARS OF AGE AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY, BE IT ORDAINED THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL, TEXAS, SECTION ONE, I MOVE THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY ADOPT THE TAX RATE OF 0.2510 PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS ASSESSED VALUE FOR THE 2025 TAX YEAR AND THE PROVISION DISORDER SET FORTH HEREIN BY SECTIONS TWO THROUGH NINE, SECTION TWO, THAT THERE BE AND IS HEREBY LEVIED FOR THE YEAR 2025 ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY, REAL PERSONAL AND MIXED, SITUATED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE COUNTY OF ROCKWELL, TEXAS, AND NOT EXEMPT BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE.

AND VALID STATE LAWS TAX OF 0.2510 ON EACH $100 ASSESSED VALUE OF TAXABLE PROPERTY AND SHALL BE APPORTIONED AND DISTRIBUTED AS FOLLOWS.

FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEFRAYING, THE CURRENT EXPENSES OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE COUNTY AND M AND O TAX OF 0.1979 ON EACH $100 ASSESSED VALUE OF ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY.

AND OF THIS TAX 0.0001 SHALL BE ALLOCATED TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND.

THIS RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS THAN LAST YEAR'S RATE.

AND B, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEFRAYING, THE CURRENT INDEBTEDNESS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE COUNTY AND INS TAX OF 0.0531 ON EACH $100 ASSESSED VALUE OF ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY.

SECTION THREE, THAT ALL AVALOR TAXES SHALL BECOME DUE AND PAYABLE ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.

AND ALL AVALOR TAXES FOR THE YEAR SHALL BECOME DELINQUENT AFTER JANUARY 31ST, 2026.

IF ANY PERSON FAILS TO PAY THE AVALOR TAXES ON OR BEFORE JANUARY 31ST, 2026, THE FOLLOWING PENALTIES SHALL BE PAYABLE THERE ON TO WIT.

DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY 6% DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH, 7% DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL, 8% DURING THE MONTH OF MAY 9% DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE 10%.

AND ON OR AFTER THE 1ST OF JULY 12%, UH, TAXES ARE PAYABLE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AT THE OFFICE OF THE DESIGNATED TAX COLLECTOR.

THE COUNTY SHALL HAVE AVAILABLE ALL RIGHTS AND REMEDIES PROVIDED BY LAW OF THE ENFORCEMENT OF COLLECTION OF TAXES LEVIED UNDER THIS TAX RATE ORDER.

SECTION FIVE, THAT THE TAX ROLL AS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, TOGETHER WITH ANY SUPPLEMENT THERE TO BE IN THE SAME OR HEREBY APPROVED SECTION SIX, ALL DELINQUENT TAXES SHALL BE AT THE MAXIMUM

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SECTION SEVEN, ALL TAXES FOR THE YEAR 2025, WHICH REMAIN DELINQUENT ON JULY 21ST, 2026, SHALL INCUR AN ADDITIONAL PENALTY, AN ADDITIONAL PENALTY OF 12% OF THE AMOUNT OF TAXES, PENALTY, AND INTEREST DUE TO DEFRAY THE COST OF COLLECTION SECTION EIGHT, THAT PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 8.1 DASH B OF THE CONSTITUTION OF TEXAS, $35,000 OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF A RESIDENT HOMESTEAD OF ANY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED PERSON, INCLUDING THOSE LIVING ALONE, WHO WERE 65 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026, THIS AMOUNT SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM ADOR TAXES.

SECTION NINE, THE FACT THAT IT IS NECESSARY THAT THIS TAX RATE ORDER BE ENACTED IN ORDER TO AUTHORIZE THE COLLECTION OF ADOR TAXES FOR THE YEAR 2025, CREATED AN URGENCY AND AN EMERGENCY AND REQUIRES THAT THIS TAX RATE ORDER TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY FROM AND AFTER ITS PASSAGE, AS THE LAW IN SUCH CASES PROVIDES DULY PASSED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF THE COUNTY OF ROCKWALL ON THE 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER.

THAT WAS A LOT OF READING.

SO WE HAVE MY VERY LONG THREE PAGE MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THANK YOU.

'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.

SO, AND THIS IS A ROLL CALL, VOTE AGAIN, COMMISSIONER.

SO WE HAVE MY MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.

I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO BOTH VERBALLY AND TO REGISTER YOUR VOTE AS I CALL YOUR NAME.

WE'RE GONNA GO IN NUMERICAL ORDER.

COMMISSIONER GALANA? YES, PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTE.

COMMISSIONER M**K? YES.

COMMISSIONER LTI? YES.

COMMISSIONER STACY? YES.

AND JUDGE VOTES YES AS WELL.

SO THIS PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

AND WE WILL GET SIGNATURES

[8. Discussion of 89th Legislative Session, Update/Overview County-related bills, action on resolution in support of or opposition to any pending actions or bills, and all related issues; (Commissioners Court)]

THERE.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UPDATE OVERVIEW, COUNTY RELATED BILLS, ACTION ON RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF, OR OPPOSITION TO INDEPENDENT ACTIONS OR BILLS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER ALANA, BY FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF THE AGENDA? WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE IT OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA FIRE AS A PARTING SHOT ON THIS BEING ON OUR AGENDA? FELICIA, IF YOU WOULD TAKE THIS OFF THE AGENDA GOING FORWARD.

[9. Discuss/Act on updates of the Strategic Plan 2050 Implementation Management Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]

COMMISSIONER MACKLEY, THANK YOU.

UM, JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COURT AND, UM, ALL THE EMPLOYEES LISTENING THAT THIS FRIDAY WE WILL HAVE OUR ICE CREAM SOCIAL AT LIBERTY HALL, UM, BETWEEN TWO AND 4:00 PM I THINK IT'S KIND OF COME AND GO.

I'M LOOKING AT, UM, KIM, YOU MAKE SURE I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING WRONG, BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE FOR EACH OF US TO TRY TO BE PRESENT.

UM, 'CAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME HANDOUTS FOR, FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

AND WE WANNA JUST BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS, IF ANY OF THEM HAVE.

IT'S NOT A FORMAL PRESENTATION AT ALL.

IT'S MORE CASUAL.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 10, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE COURTROOM'S EDITION, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER M**K.

THIS

[10. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3% floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

COMMISSIONER ALANA SAL, DID YOU EVER THINK YOU'D GET TO COME UP HERE TODAY? THOUGHT I MIGHT GET LUNCH FIRST? YEAH.

KNOW, WE DID TOO.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS AFTERNOON NOW.

UM, AS FAR AS UPDATES, UH, PAY APP NUMBER SEVEN WAS ISSUED TO THE COUNTY YESTERDAY AND RECOMMENDED FOR PAYMENT.

UM, THE SECURITY, UH, DETENTION WALLS ARE STARTING TO BE INSTALLED.

UH, THAT'S KINDA WAS THE BIGGEST HANGUP THAT WE HAD WITH ORDERING AND, AND MAKING SURE WE HAD STAFF ON SITE, UM, TO INSTALL THOSE.

SO, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOW CURRENTLY MOVING, UH, IT HAS NOT MOVED OUR ANTICIPATED, UH, UM, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE.

UM, BUT AS THEY MOVE FARTHER ALONG, THEY EXPECT IT TO ACTUALLY PULL IN AND GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

UM, SO POSSIBLE THAT, THAT, UH, FIRST WEEK, SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY THAT WE WERE TARGETING IS NOW POSSIBLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT LIKE, THE LAST WEEK OF DECEMBER.

UM, BUT THAT IS, IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL WITH THIS, UH, UH, SECURITY, UH, UH, PARTITION INSTALLER.

UH, OTHER THAN THAT, NO OTHER UPDATES.

UM, EVERYTHING'S GOING SMOOTH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? I WAS UP THERE YESTERDAY AND THEY WERE, UH, APPROPRIATELY SWARMING THE PLACE.

SO IT LOOKS GOOD.

LOOKS GOOD.

IT, IT DOES LOOK GOOD.

US TO AGENDA ITEM 11, DISCUSS AN ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES IN THE COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU SAL.

THAT WILL TAKE

[11. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, SO THE EXCITING PART IS, IS EVERYONE'S THERE NOW, THE TAX OFFICE OPEN TODAY, THIS MORNING AT THE, THIS MORNING AT THE ANNEX.

SO, UM, WE ARE STILL,

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UH, HAVE A FEW ITEMS YET TO GO TO CLOSE THIS OUT.

UM, BUT I'LL HAVE NICO KIND OF GIVE US A, A, A QUICK RUNDOWN.

WE'RE ALMOST DOING THAT.

AND THEN WE GET THE EXCITING PART.

NOW THE TAX OFFICES MOVE.

WE BEGIN PLANNING OUR RIBBON CUTTING AND GRAND OPENING OF THE BUILDING.

'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT UNTIL WE KNEW IT WAS OPERATIONAL.

UM, SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PUT SOME SORT OF EVENT TOGETHER AND OBVIOUSLY MORE ON THAT TO COME.

DO YOU WANT ME TO JUMP IN THE SPECIFICS OF EACH ITEM OR NOT? NOT YET.

UH, BUT COURT, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE BASICALLY LIKE ONE MORE PCO COME BACK.

IT MIGHT END UP BEING A COUPLE, BUT ONE MORE REAL KIND OF CHUNK AT THE MONEY.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO CLOSE THE PROJECT OUT FINANCIALLY.

THAT'S OUR GOAL.

WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 12, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

BUT WE'RE WAITING ON SOME INFORMATION TO, YEAH, BASICALLY WE'RE WAITING ON THE FURNITURE PROPOSAL, THE SECOND DAY FURNITURE PROPOSAL TO GO AHEAD AND SEND ALL THESE, WELL, I THINK THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE PCOS THAT ARE COMING.

AND THEN THOSE WILL TURN INTO A, A FINAL OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER, UH, TO CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT.

SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, BUT WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE.

IT'S NOT QUITE THERE YET.

ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE

[12. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff's remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NICO FOR A QUICK UPDATE.

YEAH, SO THE SHERIFF OFFICE RENOVATION IS, UH, PERFORMING UNDER BUDGET AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

UM, THE SAFETY IS BEING UPHELD ON SITE.

UH, THERE, THERE WAS, UH, A MINOR DELAY DUE TO PERMITTING.

I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT PREVIOUSLY.

THAT HAS SINCE BEEN RESOLVED.

SO CONSTRUCTION HAS RESTARTED.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE INTERIOR PARTITIONS, FRAMING THEM UP, UH, OVERHEAD, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT.

UM, SO THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT.

WE'RE, UH, BUDGET WISE, UM, WE'RE ALSO WAITING ON SOME CHANGE ORDERS FOR THAT PROJECT.

UH, THERE WAS A SI ONE, UH, UPDATE TO THE DRAWINGS, UM, FROM THE PERMITTING COMMENTS AND A FEW OWNER CHANGES LAST MINUTE, UH, BRINGING THE DRAWINGS UP TO DATE, UH, THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PRICING.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE CHANGE ORDERS FOR THE NEXT COURT.

UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON, SO BASICALLY IN SUMMARY, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM PERMITTING.

WE HAD TO CHANGE A FEW THINGS AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE PRICE.

IS THE, THE BASIC SUMMARY.

AND THE PRIMARILY THE ELECTRICIAN WAS, UH, THE BIG TRADE THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, IN TERMS OF QUALITY CONTROL AND PROCUREMENT, THERE'S REALLY NO UPDATE.

UH, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS, UH, FOR ANY LONG, LONG LEAD ITEMS SUCH AS THE AC UNITS, THE EVIDENCE LOCKERS AND, AND HIGH DENSITY SHELVING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE WORKING AGAIN AND, AND, UH, LOOKING TO, UH, RECOVER FROM THE MINOR DELAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR NICO? DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

[13. Discuss/Act on approving a quote from Southwest Solutions Group for evidence lockers for the Sheriff's Office Renovation at a total cost of $152,870.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

TO AGENDA ITEM 13.

DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A QUOTE FROM SOUTHWEST SOLUTIONS GROUP FOR EVIDENCE LOCKERS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION AT A TOTAL COST OF $152,870 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY.

SO I'M GONNA ATTEMPT TO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND, UH, NICO AND LISA AND I HAVE BEEN IN SOME EMAILS THROUGH THE PROCESS, SO IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, I WILL TAKE CORRECTION.

UM, WE HAD EVIDENCE LOCKERS IN THE GMP, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR GOOD REASON, I'M JUST SAYING FOR GOOD REASON, WAS NOT HAPPY WITH WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH THOSE.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA PURCHASE THESE THROUGH OUR F AND E FOR RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WORK ON A GMP CHANGE LATER TO GET THE MONEY, THE ALLOWANCE BACK OUTTA THE GMP.

SO WE DO HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR THIS.

IT'S NOT ADDING TO THE PROJECT.

WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO BUY THESE, BUT WE ARE, THE COUNTY IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE THESE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO, THEN DO A GMP REVISION AFTER WE GET A COUPLE OF PCOS TOGETHER.

SO THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

UM, AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MECHANIC.

SO IT'S MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE, BUT, UH, WE, THE COUNTY IS GOING AND BUYING THESE THROUGH A PURCHASING CO-OP.

'CAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WANT AND, UM, TO BUY AS THE COUNTY.

DID I SAY THAT PRETTY, PRETTY ACCURATELY? YEP.

THAT'S THE LOCKERS AND THE SHELVING.

BOTH.

MY, MY, MY ONLY, UH, QUESTION IS, MAN, IF WE COULD STOP WITH THE SIX POINT FONT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

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YEAH, THAT'S, YOU ARE NOT WRONG.

LOOK AT THAT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, KIND OF HEARING NO QUESTION FROM THE COURT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY WE APPROVE THE QUOTE FROM SOUTHWEST SOLUTIONS FOR EVIDENCE LOCKERS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL FOR A TOTAL OF $152,870.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES AT PASSES? FIVE TO ZERO.

THIS IS GONNA TAKE US TO AGENDA ITEM 15, DISCUSS AND ACT ON A REQUEST FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CONCERNING AN SRP STANDARD RESPONSE PROTOCOL DRILL TO BE HELD ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2025 FROM NINE TO 9:30 AM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND AGENDA ITEM 14, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND

[15. Discuss/Act on a request from Emergency Management concerning an SRP (Standard Response Protocol) drill to be held on Monday, October 13, 2025, from 9-9:30 am, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana- Emergency Management Director)]

COMMISSIONER GOANA DEFERRING TO COORDINATOR.

ROSSEN.

YEAH, COORDINATOR ROSSEN, YOU'RE FINALLY UP.

COME ON.

FINALLY UP.

UH, YES.

SO ON OCTOBER THE 13TH FROM NINE TO NINE 30, EFFECTIVELY I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE ALL OF THE COUNTY OFFICES SO THAT WAY WE CAN HOLD A LOCKDOWN DRILL, UH, HAVE WORKED WITH THE COURTS AND ALSO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS THE TIME AND DAY THAT'S GONNA LEAST IMPACT ALL OF OUR COUNTY OPERATIONS.

SO COURT, WHAT WE RUN INTO WITH TRYING TO DO A DISASTER PREPAREDNESS DRILL IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

SO, UH, PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TO A FAIR AND SPEEDY TRIAL.

UH, AND WE CAN'T REALLY SURPRISE THE COURTS WITH A DRILL.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT CAME THERE FOR THEIR DAY IN COURT, WE HAVE A SURPRISE DRILL.

SHUT THE THING DOWN.

HE MISSES HIS, HIS TIMELINE TO PROTECT HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

AND, AND WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE, BUT ARE MUCH MORE PREPARED FOR A, FOR A DISASTER.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE COURTS, WE HAVE TO LET THE JUDGES KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE'RE DOING IT.

UH, THEY TYPICALLY DO WHAT ANY OF US WOULD DO AS DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SEND THEIR PEOPLE HOME OR OR HAVE THEM NOT COME IN DURING THE DRILL.

SO WE DON'T REALLY GET A GOOD DRILL.

SO COORDINATOR ROSSON HAD COME TO THE DECISION, AND I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT WA TO JUST LET 'EM KNOW.

AND THEN, THEN WE COME DO, DO THE DRILL DURING BUSINESS HOURS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS UPFRONT THIS IS GONNA BE A DRILL.

HERE, HERE IT COMES.

PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUS AND BE PREPARED.

UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO HAVE AN SRP DRILL TO BE HELD ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2025 FROM NINE TO 9:30 AM I'LL SECOND GOT MY MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

GONNA MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSSING ACT ON APPROVING A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT FOR RETIREES RECEIVING A MONTHLY BENEFIT FROM THE TEXAS COUNTY AND DISTRICT RETIREMENT SYSTEM, T-C-D-R-S AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'RE

[16. Discuss/Act on approving a Cost-of-Living Adjustment (COLA) for retirees receiving a monthly benefit from the Texas County & District Retirement System (TCDRS), and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy ~ HR)]

COMMISSIONER STACY AND MS. KAMI WEBB.

IN FUTURE BUDGETS ABOUT, UH, SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, I, I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT, THAT WE HAVE COST OF LIVING CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVE RETIREMENT CONVERSATIONS, AND WE HAVE INSURANCE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE SALARY CONVERSATIONS.

COURT, WE, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME ALL THIS INFORMATION IS COMING BACK TO US.

UM, I JUST FELT, UH, THAT WE PRETTY MUCH HAD, UH, A CONSENSUS AFTER WE DECIDED TO GO TO THE ONE 50 ON THE STIPEND THAT I, I, I THOUGHT THE COURT WOULD BE READY TO VOTE ON THIS.

UM, JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS UNTIL DECEMBER OR DECEMBER 15TH.

SO, SO, BUT I, I JUST FELT, HEY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE'VE DISCUSSED WHAT'S GOING ON, AND, AND I, AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE, UH, WE MIGHT BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF THE COURT WANTS TO SEE MORE TIME OR DO MORE TIME, THEN I'M GOOD TO TO TO MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT ANYWAYS, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

OUR CURRENT FUNDING IN THE BUDGET THAT WE APPROVE TODAY IS 10%.

IF WE GO ALL THE WAY TO A 3% FLAT INCREASE, IT'S STILL UNDER THE FUNDING MECHANISMS, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.

SO THERE IS NO BUDGETARY IMPACT.

AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING WOULD START JANUARY 1ST.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 3%.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE 3% FLAT COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT FOR RETIREES RECEIVING A MONTHLY BENEFIT FROM BENEFIT FROM THE TEXAS COUNTY AND DISTRICT RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.

I WILL SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, NOW WE'RE IN IN COMMENTS.

SO I, I WANNA MAKE THE COMMENT, UH, I, I SUPPORT THIS.

AND WHEN WE START TALKING

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SO, UH, WITH THAT LITTLE SOAPBOX BEING SAID, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

GONNA GO TO 18, DISCUSS AND ACT ON MOVING THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT INTO THE SPACE PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER STACY AND MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR BARRY COMPTON.

THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 17.

DISCUSS AN ACT ON, OH, I'M SO BAD FOR DOING THIS.

YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA DO THIS.

I, I, UH, SHE'S ON HER WAY BACK RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, I, I TOLD KIM SWEET TO BE HERE BETWEEN 10 AND 10 30, THAT WE WOULD BE ON AGENDA ITEM FROM 17.

SO SHE HAD TO GO BACK TO WORK.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND 17 AND GIVE HER TIME TO GET HERE.

WE'RE

[18. Discuss/Act on moving the Maintenance and Operations Department into the space previously occupied by the Elections Department, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy Director)]

THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, THAT COMMISSIONER ALANA AND I TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT MOVING SOME OF THIS STUFF AROUND.

BARRY REALLY NEEDS THIS SPACE IN ORDER TO, I BELIEVE, PROPERLY DO THE FUNCTIONS, UM, OF DOING THE JAIL MAINTENANCE, GETTING THE WORKSHOP, GETTING THE SPACE NECESSARY.

UM, AND, UH, I JUST FELT LIKE NOW IS THE TIME WE APPROVED HIM GETTING THREE MORE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE JAIL.

SO LET'S GET HIM WHERE HE CAN GET HIS WORKSHOPS SET UP SO THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UM, AND CONTINUE DOING A GOOD JOB MAINTAINING THE COUNTY AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

THERE IS NO PLANS TO MOVE ANYONE INTO THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT WHERE IT WAS VACATED JUST FOR THE PUBLIC ELECTIONS IS NOW IN THE ANNEX.

SO THEY HAD A SPOT IN WHITMORE, AND THEY'RE NOW IN THE ANNEX MAINTENANCE IS IN THE BACK OF THE ANNEX , I MEAN THE BACK OF WHITMORE.

UM, AND SO WE WOULD, SO THIS, WE'RE NOT REMODELING WHITMORE.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST ALLOWING HIM TO TAKE OVER THAT SPACE AND USE IT AS HE SEES FIT.

UM, AND I JUST FELT THIS WOULD REQUIRE A COURT ACTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

BARRY COMPTON, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS WITH THE STORAGE AREA THAT ELECTIONS TYPICALLY STORED? THE MACHINES, THAT THAT WILL BECOME MORE OF A TOOL STORAGE AND WORKSHOP? UM, WE HAVE SOME AREAS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SLASH JAIL THAT THEY'VE, UM, FUNCTIONED OUT OF FOR A WHILE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CONDENSE INTO ONE SPACE.

UM, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT YOUR EXISTING SPACE? IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE ANY? WELL, THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD LOOKED AT PUTTING THE FLEET TECHNICIAN THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.

YOU WERE IN IT FOR ALL OF SEVEN MINUTES.

YEAH, I I THINK YOU'RE BEING, UH, UH, GENEROUS .

BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT REMODELING THE BUILDING.

WE WE'RE JUST ALLOWING HIM TO TAKE OVER THIS SPACE BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS OF THE JAIL THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING OVER, UH, IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.

AND IT WILL ENABLE HIM TO HAVE BETTER SUPERVISION OF THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVING THAT WORK BEING DONE IN FRONT OF HIM.

I KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR, UM, LIKE IT TO STORE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, BEING SURPLUSED.

SO UNTIL THE, IF IT EVER COMES TO FRUITION WITH THE FLEET TECHNICIAN, UNTIL THEN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SPACE TO LOCK IT UP IN THERE.

SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY COST ASSOCIATED, UM, NOTHING THAT WOULD NOT COME OUT OF THE NORMAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET? NO, I DON'T AT THIS TIME.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE HR SIDE, BUT EVEN THAT IS, IS, IS MOSTLY LABOR.

'CAUSE THE VETERAN SERVICES IS NO LONGER THERE.

AND THAT CONFERENCE ROOM'S A LITTLE, UH, TIGHT.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT, UH, INTO ONE ROOM, BUT THAT'S PRIMARILY US.

THAT'S US GOING IN AND, AND DOING THAT WORK.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

NO .

GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSS AN ACT ON ROCKWALL COUNTY SPEED HUMP PROCEDURE POLICY, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SO, UH, UH, YEP.

I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION DEPARTMENT INTO THE SPACE PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT IN THE WHITMORE COUNTY SERVICES BUILDING.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, I DO WANT TO HAVE THE CAVEAT, UM, THAT I WANT ALL DEPARTMENTS TO NOT BECOME ENTITLED WHEN WE ALLOW YOU TO MOVE SOMEWHERE.

WE'VE VERY POSSIBLY IN A YEAR OR SO, WE'LL BE MOVING YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO, UH, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S

[19. Discuss/Act on Rockwall County Speed Hump Procedure Policy, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY, UM, COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND I HAVE WORKED ON THIS.

UM,

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I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY TWO.

IT WAS PROB, I I THINK WE MIGHT BE THE ONLY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ROADS THAT WOULD EVEN APPLY BECAUSE THE, THESE ARE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE ROADS THAT COULD, IT COULD END UP WITH THIS.

AND WHAT I DID IS, UM, ONCE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT GO DOWN THIS ROAD, AS I WENT TO A FEW COUNTIES, UM, MAINLY BEAR COUNTY AND CHAMBERS COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, AND KIND OF MADE A HYBRID, UH, POLICY.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA GO WILLY-NILLY.

WE'RE REQUIRING OVER 60% SIGNATURES AND PETITIONS FOR THESE THINGS.

SO THIS ISN'T JUST, WE DON'T JUST GET TO SAY, OH, WELL, SOMEONE SPED DOWN THIS ROAD, SO COME TO US AND WE'LL JUST BUILD YOU A SPEED HUMP.

WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A POLICY THAT WE CAN ENFORCE AND, AND, AND WORK THROUGH.

UM, SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE WORKED WITH ERICA AS WELL.

UM, SO MY ONLY QUESTION, WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN HEATH WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL THERE.

AND, UH, ONE, WE, WE FOLLOWED THE, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROCEDURE OF YOU.

YOU GET THE SIGNATURES THAT SAY AT LEAST 60% OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH IT.

BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE DID IS, IS, UH, REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE COST SHARING.

UH, OR AT LEAST IF THEY WERE AGREED TO COST SHARING, THEY GOT TO MOVE UP THE LIST , UH, IF NOT, IF THEY GOT THE NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD STUDY IT.

AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST, HEY, I SAW ONE GUY SPEEDING, AND THEN I SAW HE COMES THROUGH HERE ALL THE TIME.

I WANNA PUT SPEED HUMPS.

AND, AND YOU ACTUALLY DO A STUDY AND, AND IT DOESN'T CALL FOR A SPEED HUMP.

IT MAY CALL FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, IS IF IF YOU AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, SPLIT THE COST WITH US, AND, AND YOU GOT THE SIGNATURES, YOU, YOU MOVE, YOU MOVE TO THE FRONT OF THE LIST.

UH, SO HAVE, HAVE WE THOUGHT OF ANYTHING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR OTHER THAN PRACTICALLY YOU WOULD IF AN HOA CAME AND SAID, WE, WE WILL PAY FOR 'EM AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEY WOULD, THAT, THAT XO FACTO WOULD JUST MOVE RIGHT UP THE LIST.

BUT I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND I DISCUSSED THAT, SO I'LL LET HIM CHIME IN.

WELL, UH, WHAT I WAS GONNA CHIME IN ON WAS THE IDEA THAT THE REQUEST DOESN'T MEAN IT HAPPENS.

IT'S STILL ANALYZED BY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CORRECT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND IF THEY FEEL IT'S NOT WARRANTED THAT, THEN WE WOULDN'T PUT 'EM IN.

AND, AND I'VE HAD AT LEAST ONE OF MY ONE SUBDIVISION IN MY PRECINCT THAT HAS REQUESTED THIS, AND I TOLD THEM, WELL, LET'S GET A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

YOU GIVE ME A PETITION THAT SAYS GO, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT.

AND I HAVEN'T, I'M STILL WAITING FOR THAT PETITION.

I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO, IF, IF WE COME BACK AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS COST, BUT IF IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, LET US GO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE NEED YOU TO PARTICIPATE.

UM, I WOULD SAY JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND.

WE DON'T HAVE TO REWRITE THE, THE POLICY.

UH, I MEAN, IT, IT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

IF, IF Y'ALL WANT TO REWRITE ANY PART OF THE POLICY, UM, WELL, I, I, LIKE, I, I FEEL I'VE ACCOMPLISHED MY GOAL BY BRINGING IT UP AND SAYING IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO DO THAT.

AND I LIKE COMMISSIONER STACY'S IDEA OF, YEAH, YOU WOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY MOVE TO THE FRONT OF THE LIST.

IF, IF YOU'VE GOT THE SIGNATURES, IF THE COUNTY VIA YOU AGREE THAT IT IS WARRANTED HERE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE UP THE LIST PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND, AND ALSO AN IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT WE CAN REMOVE THEM AS A COUNTY ALMOST UNILATERALLY IN THIS POLICY IF WE DECIDE THAT THEY BECOME A PROBLEM.

THE OTHER THING, UM, IS THAT, UH, MAN, WE'VE HAD A LONG MORNING, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT FOR A SECOND.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN REMOVE THEM.

WE CAN WARRANT THEM.

OH, AND IT WOULD, IF THEY WANT THEM REMOVED, IT STILL TAKES THE SAME 60% TO GET THEM REMOVED.

THIS IS NOT A WILLY-NILLY PROGRAM WHERE YOU GET THEM PUT IN AND THEN FOUR PEOPLE COMPLAIN AND THEN YOU GET THEM REMOVED.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A THRESHOLD THAT MADE SENSE.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, LOOKING AT, IS YOU DON'T, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE A PROCESS THAT'S GONNA BE STUDIED BY THE, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT.

DOES, IS THIS, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? UM, AND IT DOES PRECLUDE ROADS THAT ARE GONNA BE HIGH TRAFFIC ROADS.

THIS IS FOR INTERIOR ROADS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SPEED HUMP POLICY PROCEDURE AS PRESENTED.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, UH, AND COMMERS AND, AND PEOPLE IN THE GALLERY.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY, MY OBJECTIVE HERE SINCE IT IS LUNCHTIME, IS TO GET EVERYTHING DONE UP TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN TAKE A LUNCH BREAK.

TOWA AUTHORITY IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

I'M GONNA GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN NORTH TEXAS

[02:50:01]

COMMISSIONER STACEY AND TAX ASSESSOR.

I'LL LET KIM COME.

GIVE US A QUICK, HEY, HOW'S IT GOING THIS MORNING? IT'S GOING GOOD.

WE'RE ALL MOVED IN AND WE ARE PACKED TODAY.

SO IT'S WORKING.

I, I ONLY MISS WORKING OUT REALLY WELL, THE TIME I GAVE YOU BY TWO HOURS.

I KNOW YOU WERE CLOSE.

YOU WERE CLOSE.

I WAS CLOSE.

SO I HAVE A FURTHER COMMUTE NOW TO COME SEE YOU GUYS.

SO, WELL THIS IS, UM, WE HAVE A INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH NTTA WHERE WE STOP REGISTRATIONS ON PEOPLE THAT HAVE SCOFF LAWS WITH THEM.

THAT'S ONLY FOR HABITUAL VIOLATORS.

NOT ONE TIME I FORGOT TO PAY MY TOLL BILL.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE COLLECT $5 AND 24 CENTS PER VEHICLE THAT THEY THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE STOPPING THAT MONTH.

THAT PERSON MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMING IN.

THEY MAY HAVE MOVED, THEY MAY HAVE SOLD THAT CAR.

YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW.

BUT THIS IS JUST TO UP THAT TO $6 AND 50 CENTS PER CAR QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I GUESS THIS IS IN LINE WITH I SOME, SOME OF THE OTHERS.

I THINK THERE MAY BE EVEN SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES MAY BE EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT TOO.

SO THAT WELL, THEY, THEY CHARGE THE SAME AMOUNT PER THE SAME AMOUNT, YEAH.

ACROSS THE BOARD.

BUT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY COUNTIES THAT THEY ALL DO THIS FA COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY.

THAT'S WHAT, OKAY.

THEY ALL DO IT.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, KIM, THAT YOU WOULD DEFINE THIS AS NON TAXPAYER MONEY.

UH, IT'S NOT REALLY A TAX, IT'S A FEE BECAUSE YEAH.

COMING FROM THE NTTA.

YEAH, I AGREE.

JUST ARE YOU TWISTING THE KNIFE? AT LEAST HE'S, AT LEAST HE'S NOT SMILING AT YOU.

COMMISSIONER, I'M GONNA , ARE YOU TWISTING THE KNIFE OVER THERE? I DIDN'T MAKE THAT COMMENT.

YOU CAN TWIST THAT KNIFE ALL YOU WANT.

I AM GONNA, UM, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

SO, YEP.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE GET FROM THIS EVERY YEAR? UM, WELL IN 2024 IT WAS ROUGHLY AROUND 12, $13,000.

ALRIGHT.

SO BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES A MOTION AND, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT RABBIT TRAIL, UM, BUT HERE WE GO.

HERE WE GO.

INDEED.

UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD AND, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I KIND OF HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE ENTIRE THING AS IT EXISTS, NOT WITH CHANGING THE FEE WITH NOTHING THAT KIM SWEET'S DOING.

I, I TOLD HER PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE WE BROKE UP AND I I MISS 'EM ALREADY .

UM, BUT JUST WITH THE OVERREACH OF GOVERNMENT, OF YOU'RE REGISTERING YOUR CAR, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PAYING TOLLS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY YOUR TOLLS, DON'T, DON'T DRIVE ON THE ROAD IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY THE TOLLS, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REGISTERING YOUR VEHICLE.

AND IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE SAME STANCE AND, AND, AND LOST HANDILY, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE COURTS CAME AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, STOP SOMEBODY FROM RENEWING THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE WHEN THEY, OR COURT FEES.

WELL, THOSE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

I MEAN, IT TRULY IS JUST A STRONG ARM OF GOVERNMENT SAYING YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TOLLS.

AND WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE YOU, OTHER THAN EXPENDING A LOT OF EFFORT AND HIRING COLLECTIONS AND, AND GOING OUT AND, AND, AND ARRESTING YOU ISSUING A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST, BUT WE CAN FORCE YOU TO NOT REGISTER YOUR CAR, WHICH IS GOING TO FORCE YOU TO DRIVE YOUR CAR ILLEGALLY, WHICH IS GOING TO FORCE YOU TO PAY MORE TICKETS.

IT WE'RE FORCING THEM INTO A LIFE OF CRIME.

AND, AND I REALIZE THAT'S AN OVER BEING OVERLY DRAMATIC, BUT LIFE WHERE, WHERE IT, IT FEELS, IT FEELS LIKE A HEAVY HAND OF GOVERNMENT TO ME.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING.

THIS IS FOR A PRIVATE ENTITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, M-T-T-A-I-I WOULD, IF YOU SAID PRIVATE, I'D SAY I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF YOU SAID PUBLIC, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

I, I HAVE, I I DON'T KNOW.

I I DO KNOW THERE'S PRIVATE INVESTORS AND THE MONEY FOR NTTA GETS SIPHONED OUT ELSEWHERE.

THAT MUCH I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT.

DO WE HAVE THIS IN OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR? IT WOULD JUST BE TAX ASSESSOR FEES.

DID WE? NO, THAT MONEY GOES TO THE GENERAL BUDGET.

WE DON'T.

RECEIVING THIS IN THIS 25 POINT 10 BUDGET WE JUST PASSED.

SO WE PLAN FOR

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I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LINE IN REVENUE FOR TAX ASSESSOR FEES YEAH.

OF OFFICE.

SO, YEAH, IT'S OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S ESTIMATED IN THERE.

SO NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO THAT MOTION.

UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY AND ROCKWALL COUNTY.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GANA.

I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FOUR TO ONE.

ITEM 20, DISCUSS AND ACT ON ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH FORESIGHT LABS INC.

AND THIS TAKES US TO AGENDA

[20. Discuss/Act on entering into an agreement with 4Sight Labs, Inc., for inmate health monitoring equipment and services, and all related issues; (Judge New ~ Sheriff)]

FOR INMATE HEALTH MONITORING EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SHERIFF, COME ON UP.

TELL US ABOUT THIS.

YES, THANK YOU, JUDGE.

UH, THIS, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONCE BEFORE.

UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A CONTRACT MODIFICATION, BUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ENTERED INTO WITH TURNKEY AND THE MONITORING, THE HEALTH MONITORING WRISTBANDS THAT WE WERE DOING WITH TURNKEY, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, DISCONTINUED THEIR MONITORING.

SO THE, THE DEVICES THAT MONITOR THOSE, THIS WOULD ADD TWO DEVICES TO MONITOR THE INMATE HEALTH PLUS, UH, FORESIGHT LABS WOULD BE THE, THE ONE WE WOULD BE CONTRACTING WITH TO DO THAT NOW FOR THE MONITORING INSTEAD OF TURNKEY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF GARRETT? UH, JUDGE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH FORESIGHT LABS FOR INMATE HEALTH MONITORING EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTY.

AND I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

AND, AND, AND TERRY, I APOLOGIZE, SHERIFF, IF I WAS, OH, I DIDN'T HEAR THIS, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS IN THE BUDGET TOO, THE, FOR THAT WE JUST PASSED? YES.

IT, IT ACTUALLY YES, THAT THE WHOLE AMOUNT WAS IN THERE.

SO JUST ASKING YES, THE AMOUNT WAS TAKEN FROM WHAT WE WERE PAYING TURNKEY TO DO THAT.

I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY IT AND THEN I WAS GOT CONFUSED.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT BRINGS US TO

[21. Discuss/Act on approving a one-year renewal agreement with Kelley Akins, M.S., LPC., d/b/a Phoenix Professionals, LLC, to continue providing mental health services for Rockwall County Detention Center inmates, effective October 1, 2025, and all related issues; (Judge New~ Sheriff)]

AGENDA ITEM 21.

DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A ONE YEAR RENEWAL AGREEMENT WITH KELLY AKINS, MS. L-P-C-D-B-A, PHOENIX PROFESSIONALS LLC, TO CONTINUE PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER, INMATES EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SHERIFF, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN SERVICE.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN COST.

OH, IT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY RECEIVING.

AND, AND WE DO GIVE VERY GOOD SERVICE FROM WHAT, UH, KELLY PROVIDES US AND BEING ABLE TO BRING IN INTERNS TO HELP HER WITH, UH, THE COUNSELING OF INMATES ALSO.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A ONE YEAR RENEWAL AGREEMENT WITH KELLY AIKENS, M-S-L-P-C-D-B-A, PHOENIX PROFESSIONALS LLC, TO CONTINUE PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER, INMATES EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.

GOT MY MOTION.

GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF WE'LL REGISTER OUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM 22, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE GENERAL CONTRACT FOR SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH LENE EQUINE THERAPY FOR SELECTED JAIL INMATES FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU, SHERIFF.

THAT BRINGS US TO

[22. Discuss/Act on approving the General Contract for Services Agreement with Equine Therapy for selected jail inmates for a term of one year, and all related issues; (Judge New — Sheriff)]

BACK TO YOU, SHERIFF.

UH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR, OUR SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH LENE, UH, EQUINE THERAPY.

AND WE'VE BEEN, I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR.

THIS WOULD BE OUR, WOULD BE OUR THIRD YEAR GOING INTO THIS WHERE WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IN OUR PROGRAMS. STILL, STILL A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM YES, AND I AGREE.

AND THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ADDITIONS TO THAT.

I THINK JUVENILE PROBATION HAS CONTRACTED WITH THEM SEPARATELY TO BRING IN DURING THE SUMMER, AND THEY HAD A REALLY SUCCESSFUL, UH, SUMMER PROGRAM THAT THEY UTILIZED THAT ALSO WITH OUR SAME FACILITY.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE GENERAL CONTRACT FOR SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH LIEN EQUINE THERAPY FOR SELECTED JAIL INMATES FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR.

TWO OF 41,355 AND 59 CENTS, INCLUDING INTEREST IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.

GOT MY MOTION, GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

THIS BRINGS US TO

[23. Discuss/Act on approving a five-year lease agreement with Caterpillar Financial Services Corporation for a 2025 926-14 Wheel Loader at an annual cost starting in the year two of $41,355.59 including interest, and all related issues; (Judge New — Auditor)]

AGENDA ITEM 23.

DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH CATERPILLAR FINANCE SERVICES CORPORATION FOR A 20 25 9 26 14 WHEEL LOADER AT AN ANNUAL COST STARTING IN THE YEAR

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REMIND ME, DID WE DETERMINE THAT DID OR DID NOT INCLUDE INTEREST? SO THE 41,359, UH, OR SORRY, 355 AND 59 CENTS DOES NOT INCLUDE INTEREST.

IT'S PLUS INTEREST.

THAT'S THE ONE CLARIFICATION.

AND HOW MUCH IS THAT INTEREST? UH, IT VARIES PER YEAR.

IT'S 5.49%.

UM, AND THEN IT VARIES.

THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE PAID TOWARDS INTEREST VARIES EACH YEAR.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DEFINED THOUGH ON THE LAST PAGE OR OF, OF THE AGREEMENT.

THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ARE DEFINED.

NO INTEREST THE FIRST YEAR.

AND TO JUST EXPLAIN IT SO IT'S VERY CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY, WE HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE WILL BE TRADING IN.

SO THE $68,000 THAT YOU SEE FOR YEAR ONE IS THE VALUE OF OUR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY ARE CREDITING TOWARDS YEAR ONE, AND THEN YEARS TWO THROUGH FIVE, UH, WE WILL BE PAYING THE FOUR $41,000, UM, APPROXIMATELY 41,000 PLUS INTEREST, THE 5.49% ALL ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY'S SO INCLINED.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FIVE YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH CATERPILLAR FINANCIAL SERVICES CORPORATION FOR A 20 25 9 26 DASH 14 WHEEL LOADER AT AN ANNUAL COST STARTING IN YEAR TWO OF 41 3 55 59 PLUS INTEREST.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI SECOND.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

US TO AGENDA ITEM 24, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH ACCURATE CONTROLS FOR SECURITY EQUIPMENT AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND AN ANNUAL COST OF $54,137 AND 2 CENTS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU, ERICA.

THAT BRINGS

[24. Discuss/Act on approving a Service Agreement with Accurate Controls, Inc. for security equipment at the Law Enforcement Center at an annual cost of $54,137.02, and all related issues; (Judge New - Auditor)]

MS. LISA, TELL ME WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I WILL LET BARRY TAKE OVER ON THAT.

BARRY, TELL LISA HE GAVE ME THE THUMBS UP.

THUMBS, THUMBS UP TO YOU.

TELL LISA SO SHE CAN TELL ME WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

BARRY.

TH THIS IS THE ACCESS CONTROL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

UM, THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT TAKES CARE OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE, UH, AND THE JAIL.

I BELIEVE THIS ONLY COVERS THOSE.

THIS IS ALSO THE COMPANY THAT HANDLES ACCESS CONTROL FOR THE ANNEX, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS ROLLED UP INTO THIS AGREEMENT.

IS THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT BUDGETED ? YES, THIS IS BUDGETED.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY BUDGETED.

UM, THIS IS, THE CONTRACT STARTED AS A THREE YEAR WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE, TO THE NEW JAIL.

AND THAT HAS SINCE EXPIRED.

AND SO THIS IS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL CONTRACT.

THIS GIVES US A YEAR AS IN THE TRANSITION PERIOD FOR US TO EVALUATE IT, UM, TO SEE IF IN THE NEXT YEAR WE, UH, NEED TO INCREASE THIS OR DECREASE IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICES.

THIS IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS.

SO JUST FOR, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ONE YEAR AGREEMENT? YES, MA'AM.

I, I, AND I BELIEVE FROM, UM, I DON'T WANT SPEAK FOR LEGAL, BUT THERE, THERE WERE SOME HANGUPS WITH THE THREE YEAR.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS 54,001 YEAR.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

NO, I DON'T MIND AT ALL.

WHY DOES THIS START IN FEBRUARY? WHY ARE WE CONTRACTING IT TO START IN FEBRUARY? I, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF HOW IT FELL WITH US OPENING THE JAIL.

OH, OKAY.

SO WE STARTED OUR CONTRACT WITH HIM.

WE REALLY MOVED IN, I, I BELIEVE THREE YEARS AGO, UH, MARCH.

SO WE TOOK OWNERSHIP A LITTLE PRIOR TO THAT DATE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE CONTRACT GOES NOW.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN.

WE HAVE HAD THESE BEFORE WHERE TO GET IT ON OUR FISCAL SCHEDULE, FISCAL CALENDAR, WE'VE ASKED THEM, HEY, CAN YOU DO A PARTIAL, UM, AND THEN GET US WHERE IT, IT FOLLOWS, UH, OUR, OUR CALENDAR.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, JUST SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE.

OKAY, THANKS.

WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE, UM, THAT WE AWARD THE, THE, UM, APPROVE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH ACCURATE CONTROLS INCORPORATED FOR THE SECURITY EQUIPMENT AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AT AN ANNUAL COST TO $54,137 AND 2 CENTS.

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US TO AGENDA ITEM 25, DISCUSS AND ACT ON AWARDING 2026 CONTRACTS FOR BIDS RECEIVED FOR THE FOLLOWING ROAD AND BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

IT BRINGS

[25. Discuss/Act on awarding 2026 Contracts for Bids received for the following Road & Bridge Construction Materials: (1) Hot Mix Asphalt Concrete; (2) Asphalts, Oils & Emulsions; (3) Gas, Oil & Diesel; (4) Corrugated Metal Pipe; (5) Cement Treated Material, and all related issues; (Judge New- Auditor)]

EXCUSE ME.

NUMBER ONE, HOT MIX, ASPHALT CONCRETE NUMBER TWO, ASPHALTS OILS AND EMULSIONS.

NUMBER THREE, GAS, OIL AND DIESEL.

NUMBER FOUR, CORRUGATED METAL PIPE NUMBER FIVE, CEMENT TREATED MATERIAL AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

MS. ERICA? YES, SIR.

I'M HERE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I ALSO HAVE LAST YEAR'S BID NUMBERS AS WELL.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN COMPARISON.

I I THINK I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS ON THE HOT MIX, ASPHALT CONCRETE PAVEMENT, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE, FIRST PAGE IN THE MM-HMM .

TABULATIONS.

UM, APPARENTLY WE HAD TWO BIDDERS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND WE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD REYNOLDS ASPHALT AND CONSTRUCTION FOR TYPE D, WHATEVER THAT IS, AND AUSTIN ASPHALT FOR THE, UM, ORIGINAL OR FOR THE FIRST ITEM, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE PRICES FOR THE TYPE D VERSUS THE CONCRETE PATCHING LOOKS LIKE FOR TYPE D, THEY BOTH BID AND THE PRICE WAS IDENTICAL.

AND YET FOR THE CONCRETE PATCHING MATERIAL ITEM DMS 92 0 2 ONLY AUSTIN BID AND REYNOLDS DIDN'T.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY, SINCE REYNOLDS DIDN'T BID FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THESE MATERIALS, AND AUSTIN BUILT BID ON BOTH OF THEM, AND AUSTIN BID FOR THE TYPE D WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS REYNOLDS, WHY DIDN'T WE GIVE AUSTIN BOTH OF THEM? HOLD ON JUST A SEC.

WHY DIDN'T WE REWARD THEM FOR ACTUALLY BID DOING A COMPLETE BID? THEY ACTUALLY BIDDED ON BOTH ITEMS. THE OTHER GUYS DIDN'T.

WHY DIDN'T WE GIVE AND THERE'S NO PRICE DIFFERENCE THAT I COULD SEE.

I KNOW.

SORRY.

I WAS CONSULTING, IF I'M ALLOWED TO, TO DIVULGE HOW WE DECIDED WHAT THE TIEBREAKER WAS.

UM, SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT ONE OF THEM HAD A CLOSER FACILITY FOR US TO GET THE MATERIAL QUICKER.

UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND AWARD IT TO, UH, REYNOLDS FOR THE TYPE D.

SO IT'S THE SAME PRICE, BUT WE CAN GET TO IT MORE QUICKLY.

DO WE GO PICK IT UP? IS THAT IT? YES.

SO WE WILL ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY BECAUSE IT'LL BE LESS COST TO GO GET IT.

GREAT ANSWER.

THANK YOU, .

AND THEN THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN WE GIVE THIS, THIS MOTION HERE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ITEM BY ITEM, RIGHT? AND, UH, 'CAUSE I, WE'RE IDENTIFYING ALL THE DIFFERENT BIDDERS.

SO DO WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT ACCURATE, AARON? I'VE ALWAYS READ THEM OUT INDIVIDUALLY.

UH, SHERRY IS LOOKING AT ME WITH A, AN UNHAPPY FACE BECAUSE , BUT I'VE ALWAYS READ 'EM OUT.

THE, I, I KNOW THE RULES.

UH, USUALLY WHEN SOMEONE IS AWARDED A BID AND AN O BID OPENING, THAT THAT WE READ THEM OUT LOUD SO THAT EVERYONE THAT BID IS ABLE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS.

THAT'S THE REASON I CHOOSE TO READ 'EM OUT LOUD, UH, IS THAT THIS IS THE ONLY VENUE THAT WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE WHO ALL MADE THE BID.

THAT I WOULD ADVISE THAT'S YOUR CALL ON.

SINCE WE GOT DIFFERENT MATERIALS HERE.

IF THEY'RE NOT ALL BEING AWARDED TO THE SAME BIDDER, THEN YES, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE AND GO ONE AT A TIME, MAN, THAT'S GONNA DISCOURAGE SOMEBODY FROM MAKING A BID IS WHAT? THAT'S OR MAKING A MOTION .

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE MOTION CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT LOOKED A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST WE APPROVE ITEM 25.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO READ 'EM OUT LOUD AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, MOVE.

THERE WE GO.

HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU JUST SURE.

OR A PURCHASING THE PROCUREMENT AUDITOR WILL BE READING THEM OUT LOUD, SHERRY.

DASH 25 FOR HOT MIX ASPHALT CONCRETE.

BID NUMBER 0 0 5 DASH ZERO NINE

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THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM 3 41 DASH TYPE D, THE AWARD TO REYNOLDS ASPHALTS AND CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, ALTERNATE AUSTIN ASPHALT, INCORPORATED FOR ITEM DMS 9 2 0 2 AWARD TO AUSTIN ASPHALT, INCORPORATED THE NEXT BID NUMBER, 0 0 6 DASH ZERO NINE DASH 25 FOR ASPHALTS OILS AND EMULSIONS.

THE RECOMMENDATION FOR CRS DASH TWO AWARD, ERGON EMULSION AND ASPHALTS INCORPORATED FOR CRS DASH TWO P.

THE AWARD IS TO ERGON, EMULSION AND ASPHALTS INCORPORATED ON THE MEDIUM SET PRIME.

THERE WERE NO BIDDERS FOR CRS DASH TWO H, THE AWARD TO ERGON, EMULSION AND ASPHALTS INCORPORATED FOR CRS DASH TWO P.

THERE WERE NO BIDDERS FOR THE A EP PRIME AWARD, ERGON, EMULSION, AND ASPHALTS INCORPORATED.

THE NEXT BID WAS BID NUMBER 0 0 7 DASH NINE NINE DASH 25 FOR GAS AND DIESEL.

THE RECOMMENDATION UNLEADED GASOLINE AWARD, TWO BORDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED.

NUMBER TWO, DIESEL WITH LU LUBRICITY.

TRY TO SAY THAT ADDITIVE AWARD TO BORDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED FOR DIESEL ENGINE OIL DETERGENT AWARD TO BORDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED FOR AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID AWARD TO BORDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED FOR MULTIPURPOSE GEAR LUBRICANT AWARD TO BOARDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED FOR ANTIFREEZE ETHYLENE AWARD TO BOARDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED FOR JD AR 6 9 4 4 5 HY GUARD AWARD TO BORDERS AND LONG INCORPORATED.

THE NEXT BID WAS BID NUMBER 0 0 8 DASH ZERO NINE DASH 25 FOR CORRUGATED METAL PIPE.

THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM FOUR 60 CORRUGATED METAL PIPE AWARD TO WILSON CULVERTS INCORPORATED FOR THE ALUMINIZED TYPE TWO STEEL AWARD TO WILSON CULVERTS INCORPORATED.

THE LAST BID WAS BID NUMBER 0 0 8 DASH ZERO NINE DASH 25 FOR SUPER SLURRY, THE RECOMMENDATION AWARD TO MARTIN MARIETTA MATERIALS.

I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE FOR THE BIDS FOR HOT MIX ASPHALT, CONCRETE ASPHALT OILS AND EMULSIONS GAS, OIL AND DIESEL, CORRUGATED METAL PUMP PIPE, AND CEMENT TREATED MATERIALS.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.

I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, IF YOU'LL RECORD YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, SHERRY, FOR, FOR DOING THAT.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN AMENDMENT ON TOP OF AN AMENDMENT.

UM, OKAY, SO COMMISSIONERS, I THINK I'M GONNA GO BACK ON MY STATEMENT AND I THINK I'M GONNA JUST TAKE US TO ONE O'CLOCK AND THEN, AND THEN THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.

SO THAT'LL GET US TO A FEW MORE.

SO THIS BRINGS US KEEP, KEEP ON, KEEP ON COMING UP.

THIS'LL BRING US TO AGENDA ITEM 26,

[26. Discuss/Act on entering into four Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) Agreements, including four County ‘Addendums, with Kologik Software Inc., for a term of five years for the provision of “COPsync” software services to each County Constable for interfacing with Texas Law Enforcement Telecommunications Systems (TLETS), and all related issues; (Judge New — Constables 1-4)]

DISCUSS AND ACT ON ENTERING INTO FOUR SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE AGREEMENTS, INCLUDING FOUR COUNTY ADDENDUMS WITH COLOGIC SOFTWARE INC.

FOR A TERM OF FIVE YEARS FOR THE PROVISION OF COP SYNC SOFTWARE SERVICES TO EACH COUNTY CONSTABLE FOR INTERFACING WITH TEXAS LAW ENFORCEMENT, TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

NEW AND COMMISSIONERS.

THIS SOFTWARE IS BASICALLY, IT'S A STRIPPED DOWN VERSION OF, OF THE TYLER SOFTWARE.

WE TRIED GETTING WITH TYLER SOFTWARE FOR OVER A MONTH AND LITERALLY GOT NO RESPONSE FROM THEM.

AND WE HAVE TRIED, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES, MULTIPLE AVENUES WITH VERY LITTLE SUCCESS.

SO WE WENT DOWN A DIFFERENT PATH OF SAYING, OKAY, WHAT ARE SOME OF OUR ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE, THAT ARE LEAST COSTLY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH.

[03:15:01]

AND IT CAME DOWN TO COPS IN TEXAS, WHICH IS ABOUT $2,700 PER AGENCY, UH, INITIALLY FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN $1,200 EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER.

NOW, HERE'S THE BEAUTY OF IT.

WE WOULD BE ABLE, WE HAVE THE MONIES IN THE CURRENT 2025 BUDGET TO PAY THE $2,700 FOR EACH AGENCY.

I WORKED WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE THOSE MONIES AVAILABLE, SO WE WOULDN'T BE COMING TO THE COURT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

THIS WOULD ALLOW US, AND THIS IS ALSO A, A LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL THAT'LL ALLOW US, SO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DOING WRIT OF EXECUTIONS, RID OF POSSESSIONS, WE CAN CHECK AND SEE IF SOMEBODY HAS A WARRANT OR IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS THIS PERSON, DO THEY HAVE A BOLO OUT FOR 'EM, RUNNING THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, GUNS, TRAILERS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S A VERY, VERY BASIC STRIPPED DOWN VERSION OF TYLER.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ALSO RUN OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE TOO.

IT'S ON THE MDT AND IT'S IN THE CLOUD.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SERVERS AND ANYTHING ELSE.

WE ACTUALLY, EVERYTHING'S ALL IN THE CLOUD.

WE RUN IT FROM, FROM THE VEHICLE AND, AND IT GIVES US ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO MM-HMM .

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS IT COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PLACE IN EVERYONE'S BUDGET? YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT ALL FOUR CONSTABLES HAVE THE MONEY? YES, SIR.

IT COMES ACROSS ALL FOUR.

ALL FOUR AGENCIES.

THAT IS, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS JUST ACCOUNT FOR THE $1,200 ANNUAL IN EACH BUDGET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND LISA, WOULD WE NEED TO DO THESE KIND OF ONE, AND THEY'RE FOUR DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FOR FOUR DIFFERENT ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I THINK YOU CAN DO 'EM TOGETHER.

'CAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST THEY ARE THE SAME.

BUT THE PRO THE THING, THE REASON THAT IT'S DIVIDED INTO FOUR DIFFERENT CONTRACTS IS BECAUSE OF THE ORIS.

SO ONE AGENCY, SO JUST LIKE, WE CAN'T RUN STUFF UNDERNEATH THE SHERIFF'S AGENCY, RIGHT? HE'S GOT A DIFFERENT ORI, SO I CAN'T RUN, YOU KNOW, LICENSE PLATES AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, ON MY MDT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH HIS AGENCY'S.

OORI, WE RUN IT THROUGH OURS.

SO WE'RE TRACKED BY T COLE, T LETS, AND YOU KNOW, SO IF THEY DO AN AUDIT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, THIS INDIVIDUAL, THIS INDIVIDUAL RAN THESE CHECKS, OR THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS UNDERNEATH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAW, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK, THEY'RE GONNA PULL THE LAW.

THE STATE CAN LOOK AND, AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT I PULLED AND EVERYTHING.

SO IT HAS TO BE DONE PER AGENCY.

UH, JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ENTERING INTO FOUR SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE AGREEMENTS, INCLUDING FOUR COUNTY ADDENDUMS WITH IC K LOGIC, K LOGIC .

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS.

CLOG SOFTWARE INCORPORATED FOR A TERM OF FIVE YEARS, UM, FOR CONSTABLES.

1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

US TO AGENDA ITEM 27, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES WITH THE CITIES OF ROCKWALL HEATH, FATE, ROYCE CITY AND MCLENDON CHISHOLM FOR 20 25, 20 26, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

THANK Y'ALL.

UH, THIS BRINGS

[27. Discuss/Act on approving Interlocal Agreements for Fire Protection Services with the Cities of Rockwall, Heath, Fate, Royse City and McLendon-Chisholm for 2025-2026, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING, OKAY, ERICA IS HERE.

I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T SEE HER.

SHE MOVED.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE WORK OUT WITH THE, THE FIRE CHIEFS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, DEPARTMENT.

THESE ARE PAID OUT OF FUND 51.

THESE ARE THE, UH, INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENTS THAT THE, THAT THE CITIES HAVE AND THE AMOUNTS THAT WE JUST APPROVED AND THE BUDGET.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WERE THE CHANGES? I THINK WE HAD SOME CHANGES ON FATES AND THOSE WERE AGREED UPON.

THOSE WERE AGREED UPON AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUBMITTED WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE INFORMATION HERE.

UM, YEAH, FATE.

FATE DECIDED TO BE RIGHT.

I DIDN'T SEE FATES IN HERE, BUT IT WAS EMAILED.

I WAS HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE.

IT WAS EMAILED.

YEAH, BUT JUST SO THE COURT WILL KNOW ON SECTION THREE OF THE FATE AGREEMENT, UM, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW TO TREAT HOMES WHICH WERE DE ANNEXED OR DE ANNEXED THEMSELVES.

AND IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT FOR HOMES THAT DE ANNEX THEMSELVES, UH, AND THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

UM, OKAY.

AND FOR, IF THERE'S

[03:20:01]

SOMEBODY THAT DN XES AND WANTS TO GO OUT AND DO A MUD AND CREATE A NEW SUBDIVISION, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEY ALSO AGREED THAT THEY'D ADD US AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA PUT IN THE NEXT CONTRACTS ALSO, UNLESS WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT DONE.

SO YOU MADE A MOTION ALREADY? I HAVE NOT MADE A MOTION YET.

NO, THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD BEAT HIM TO IT.

WELL, I'LL, WELL, I DON'T .

THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY AN HONOR, UM, TO BE TO BE A STEP AHEAD OF YOU, JOHN.

UM, UH, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED INTER INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES WITH THE CITIES OF ROCKWALL HEATH FATE, ROYCE CITY AND MCCLENDON CHISHOLM FOR UH, 24 20 25 TO 2026 WITH THE AS PRESENTED AND WITH THE CHANGES DISCUSSED.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? IF YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO COURT, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO STOP FOR LUNCH.

IT IS ALMOST ONE O'CLOCK.

UH, IT IS 1256.

SO LET'S ADJOURN FOR LUNCH OR RECONVENE FOR LUNCH AND BE BACK HERE AT TWO O'CLOCK.

ARE WE DOING EXECUTIVE? I'M SORRY.

LATER.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29.

I'M GONNA RECONVENE OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

IT IS TWO 16 AND WE'RE GONNA SKIP AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR OTHERS TO GET HERE,

[29. CONSENT AGENDA]

THIS IS A CONSENT AGENDA, JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTY SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

IT PASSES FORWARD TO ZERO.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA

[30. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]

ITEM 30, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS.

JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ALLOWING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO PURCHASE FROM CAPITAL OUTLAY MSI PRESTIGE 14 INCH ULTRA BOOK LAPTOP AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF $1,871 AND 54 CENTS, THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW, NUMBER ONE TO PURCHASE FROM CAPITAL OUTLAY DELL PRO MICRO OCM 1250 DESKTOP DRIVE, KEYBOARD AND MOUSE AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF $843 AND 9 CENTS.

AND FOR THE COUNTY SHERIFF TO TRANSFER TO CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT FOUR A 2020 CHEVROLET TAHOE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTY SECOND.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 31, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS.

IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

[31. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]

JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRANSFER 1500 WITHIN DOLLARS WITHIN THE COUNTY CLERK'S VITAL STATISTIC FUND BUDGET TO OFFICE SUPPLIES FROM CAPITAL OUTLAY OF GREATER THAN 500 AND LESS THAN $5,000 RESULTING FROM EXPENDITURES EXCEEDING BUDGETED FUNDS.

AND I ALSO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRANSFER $500 WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO THE CONSTABLE NUMBER THREE, PRECINCT.

THREE FOR UNIFORM AND ACCESSORIES FROM THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINGENCY RESULTING FROM EXPENDITURES EXCEEDING BUDGETED FUNDS.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GAANA.

YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PLEASE.

AND TAKE CARE OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLL.

LET'S GO AHEAD

[32. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S):]

THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 28.

YES, JUDGE, I SUBMIT TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $179,811 AND 1 CENT AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

PASS THIS FIVE TO ZERO.

I'M ALSO SUBMITTING UNPAID CLAIMS, THE AMOUNT OF $914,346 AND 4 CENTS.

AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL, MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

IT'S PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY PAYROLL.

NO PAYROLL ROLL.

[03:25:02]

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 28, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE FY 2026 PERFORMANCE PAY PLAN WITH REVISED SALARY RANGES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

SAD DAY IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.

SAD DAY IN ROCKWALL COUNTY WHEN THERE'S NO PAYROLL.

NO PAYROLL.

[28. Discuss/Act on approving the FY2026 Performance Pay Plan with revised salary ranges, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY.

SO ULTIMATELY THIS IS THE SALARY PLAN.

WE ENDED UP VOTING ON TODAY.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE AND THAT WE HAVE VOTED ON.

AND THEN WE GET RID OF A LOT OF THE RANGES, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN, UM, MOVING AROUND THE COURT FOR ABOUT A MONTH OR SO NOW AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UM, THE PERFORMANCE PAY, UH, WRITTEN PLAN THAT KIND OF HELPS TAKE CARE OF NOT HAVING RANGES AND, AND, AND KIND OF PUT SOME GOVERNANCE ON, UH, WHAT SORT OF PAY CAN BE DONE WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE COURT.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY, JUDGE, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE VOTED ON.

BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 33, EXECUTIVE SESSION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE Y'ALL ARE FLIPPING THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENTS.

I EMAILED THIS TO Y'ALL FROM ME.

IT'S NOT IN YOUR BACKUP DOCUMENTATION.

I EMAILED IT DIRECTLY TO YOU.

WELL, SINCE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED THIS MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FY 26 20 26 PERFORMANCE PAY PLAN WITH REVISED SALARY RANGES AS SHOWN IN THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO THE COURT BY OUR HR DIRECTOR, MS. WEBB.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI.

I'LL SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

SO THAT

[33. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA OR IN THIS ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETING, SUB CHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY.

ON THOSE ITEMS, WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT INFORMATION.

UH, NUMBER ONE, OPIOID LITIGATION SETTLEMENTS STATUS AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL NUMBER TWO, DR. HORTON LAWSUITS AND ATTORNEY CONTRACTS, AND WE WILL BE ON PERSONNEL MATTERS.

DISCUSSION OF NOMINATING CANDIDATES TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AND UNDER THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, OPIOID LITIGATION STATEWIDE TERM SHEET FROM TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL AT 2 22.

WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

READY WHENEVER YOU ARE.

ALL RIGHT,

[34. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]

EVERYONE, PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE'RE GONNA GO IMMEDIATELY BACK

[14. Discuss/Act on nominating candidates to the Board of Directors of the Rockwall County Central Appraisal District, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]

TO AGENDA ITEM 14, BEAR WITH ME, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND ACT ON NOMINATING CANDIDATES TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER LTI JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ROCKWELL COUNTY NOMINATES RICHARD KOEPKE AND CEDRIC THOMAS TO BE APPOINTED AS MEMBERS OF THE ROCKWALL CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND.