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ALL RIGHT.WELCOME TO OUR REGULAR MEETING OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
IT IS OCTOBER 14TH, 9:00 AM AND I'M
[A) INVOCATION]
GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER STACY TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER M**K TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, THANKFUL FOR THE GREAT DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE FOR US.
AND LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES YOU'VE GIVEN US IN OUR LIVES.
PLEASE BE BEFORE US AS WE MEET TODAY TO DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF THIS GREAT COUNTY.
LORD, PLEASE BE WITH ALL THE MILITARY AND FIRST RESPONDERS HERE AND ABROAD, AND THEIR FAMILIES AS THEY FILL THE GAP FOR LAW AND ORDER, AND THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY.
PLEASE HAVE YOUR WILL BE DONE HERE TODAY IN THIS MEETING, WE PRAY IN OUR SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST'S NAME, AMEN.
PLEASE JOIN ME, PRAISE THE FLAG, AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW TO THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, MY PLEDGE, ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
[c) Recognition and Commendation for outstanding professionalism, bravery, and quick actions of the following Rockwall County Sheriff’s Office personnel during a life-threatening emergency in the month of July, 2025: Sergeant Vaischon Parker, Officer Jackson Baker, Officer Gregory Becker, Officer Kyle Greer, Officer Jacob Graves, and Officer Christopher Kimrey]
EXCUSE ME, UP TO RECOGNITION AND PRESENTATION.AND, UH, I'M GONNA GO RIGHT TO SHERIFF GARRETT, RECOGNITION AND COMMENDATION FOR OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONALISM, BRAVERY, AND QUICK ACTIONS OF THE FOLLOWING.
ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE PERSONNEL DURING A LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY IN THE MONTH OF JULY, 2025.
SERGEANT BASHAW PARKER, OFFICER JACKSON BAKER, OFFICER GREGORY BECKER, OFFICER KYLE GREER, OFFICER JACOB GRAVES, AND OFFICER CHRISTOPHER KIMERY ON UP.
I WAS, I, I MADE A MISTAKE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA.
I WAS THIRD ON THE AGENDA, SO I WASN'T READY FOR THAT.
I, I, I'M SKIPPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
UM, JUDGING AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS, UH, AN HONOR TO, UM, SHOWCASE OUR PERSONNEL AND WHAT THEY DO.
AND TODAY, UH, WE'RE SHOWCASING AND, AND LETTING YOU KNOW ABOUT AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN THE JAIL.
AND, UH, THOSE WHO WORK IN THE JAIL A LOT OF TIMES GET OVERLOOKED BECAUSE THEY ARE LOCKED IN THERE.
AND, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY NONE OF YOU HAVE EVER JUST BEEN IN THERE TO, TO SEE THEM, UH, BEING HOUSED IN THERE OR ANYTHING.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D BE SITTING WHERE YOU ARE.
BUT, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THE GOOD DUTIES THAT THEY DO.
THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB THERE IN KEEPING OUR INMATES SAFE, KEEPING THEMSELVES SAFE, AND KEEPING OUR COUNTY SAFE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THE THINGS THEY DO.
UH, THE INCIDENT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, TODAY, ON JULY, ON THE NIGHT OF JULY 11TH, 2025, THERE WAS A CRITICAL INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE.
AND IF NOT FOR, UH, THE QUICK ACTION OF THESE DETENTION OFFICERS AND THEIR SERGEANT, THERE WOULD, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT, UH, AN INVESTIGATION AND A, AND A DEATH THAT OCCURRED.
UM, AT APPROXIMATELY 10:52 PM UH, ONE OF THE INMATES HAD, UH, TAKEN APART A SAFETY RAZOR AND ATTEMPTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE.
UH, OFFICER KIMERY WHILE CONDUCTING HIS ROUTINE SALE CHECKS, UH, SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND IMMEDIATELY ALERTED, UH, EVERYONE ELSE ON THE SHIFT TO, TO, TO COME TO HIS AID.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, A LOT OF BLOOD, A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
UH, SERGEANT PARKER, UH, GOT THERE IMMEDIATELY AND STARTED, UH, KIND OF CONTROLLING THE INCIDENT.
WE HAD, UH, OFFICER GREER AND FTO GRAVES WHO APPLIED TOURNIQUETS, UH, TO THE INMATE OFFICER BAKER, UH, PROVIDING SUPPORT AND ALSO TRYING TO RESTRAIN THE INMATE AT THE SAME TIME, INMATES TRYING TO FIGHT, UH, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO TAKE HIS LIFE.
SO THESE DETENTION OFFICERS USED A GREAT RESTRAINT, UH, IN, IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, VERNACULARS THERE IN, IN KNOWING WHAT TO DO, AND ALSO SAVED, SAVED THIS INMATE'S LIFE, WHICH WAS IN ON AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT.
SO, UH, IT IS WITH, UH, A GREAT DISTINCTION THAT I, UH, READ TO YOU, THE CERTIFICATE ON LIFESAVING AWARD FOR THESE DETENTION OFFICERS FOR OUTSTANDING LAW ENFORCEMENT PERFORMANCE AND THE SAVING OF A HUMAN LIFE, AND THE DISPLAY OF CONSPICUOUS INITIATIVE CAPABILITY AND ATTENTION TO DUTY, THEREBY EARNING RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR THEMSELVES AND ROCKWELL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY.
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THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO, AND THE ACTIONS THAT THEY TOOK THAT EVENING.[b) Proclamation - Dental Day for Veterans Day – “D-Day for V-Day”]
THAT BRINGS US TO DENTAL DAY FOR VETERANS DAY, DDAY FOR BDAY, MR. LTI.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MY DEAR FOUR DECADE FRIEND, STAN LOREN AND HIS STAFF WHO HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF SELFLESS PUBLIC SERVICE ACROSS ROCKWALL COUNTY.
AND LOREN DENTAL WANTS TO DO THEIR BEST TO HONOR LOCAL VETERANS FOR THEIR SERVICE BY PROVIDING FREE FRONTLINE DENTAL CARE ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
WHEREAS LOCAL VETERANS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH FREE DENTAL CARE, CANCER SCREENING, AND TEETH CLEANING, AS WELL AS ANY FRONTLINE DENTAL CARE.
AND WHEREAS LAWRENCE DENTAL HAS PARTNERED WITH ROCKWALL, AMERICAN LEGION, TERRY FISHER, POST NUMBER ONE 17 SINCE 2017, TO CREATE AN ANNUAL DENTAL DAY FOR VETERANS DAY, KNOWN AS D-DAY FOR D-DAY.
AND WHEREAS LORENT DENTAL HAS PROVIDED NEARLY $300,000 IN CARE AND TREATMENT OVER SEVEN YEARS, AND WHEREAS THE TERRY FISHER POST HAS MOBILIZED THEIR VETERANS TO CONTACT AS MANY VETERANS AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE NONE GO WITHOUT QUALITY DENTAL CARE.
AND WHEREAS A CORE MISSION OF THE TERRY FISHER POST IS TO CONDUCT VETERANS OUTREACH AND ADVOCATE TO SUPPORT THE ATTAINMENT OF QUALITY HEALTHCARE FOR ALL VETERANS.
AND WHEREAS ALL THE TERRY FISHER POST MEMBERS ARE PROUD TO STAND WITH DR.
STAN LORENZ AND HIS STELLAR TEAM TO UPHOLD THE IDEALS OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY, WHILE WORKING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF LOCAL AREA VETERANS.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025 AS D-DAY FOR DAY
LORAN, THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS.
AND FIRST, YOU FIRST YOU FIRST.
THIS IS WAY ALL ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING I'D HOPE FOR OR EVEN WORKED FOR.
I GREW UP IN A VERY MILITARY FAMILY.
MY DAD HAD SIX BROTHERS, FIVE OF 'EM SERVED BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN WAR, AND NOBODY GOT KILLED.
BUT WE WERE VERY HONORED TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES AND TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO I GREW UP KNOWING WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO IT.
I FOUND OUT AFTER TAKING CARE OF SEVERAL VETERANS, THAT THE VETERANS WEREN'T BEING TAKEN CARE OF ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND THAT JUST DIDN'T FIT WITH ME.
SO I STARTED THE FIRST YEAR AND GOT MY ALL THE FRIENDS THAT I COULD TOGETHER, AND WE SAW 51 VETERANS THAT YEAR.
LAST YEAR WE SAW 81, WE'RE PUSHING FOR A HUNDRED.
AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FINISH IT THAT DAY, WE SET IT UP WHERE WE CAN FINISH IT THE NEXT DAYS FORWARD.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DONATE SUPPLIES, TIME, OTHER DOCTORS, HYGIENIST, ASSISTANTS.
IT'S A GREAT CITY AND AREA CONTRIBUTION FOR WHAT WE ARE IN DENTISTRY.
I AM SO PROUD TO BE IN ROCKWALL.
I'VE SERVED OVER 45 YEARS IN THIS TOWN.
PEOPLE, WHEN I GOT OUTTA SCHOOL, I HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO BIGGER CITIES, AND I SAID, NO.
I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE I WANNA RAISE MY FAMILY.
BOTH OF THEM GREW UP HERE, AND NOW BOTH OF 'EM WANT TO BE HERE AND LIVE HERE, AND MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE HERE.
AND I CAN'T BE ANY MORE PROUD OF THAT.
LET'S JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, MAKE ROCKWALL PROUD TO BE A PART OF, AND WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
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THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO CLOSE ON.[a) Proclamation - Domestic Violence Awareness Month]
US TO OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.KRISTIN, THE DIRECTOR OF WOMEN IN NEED.
THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING US.
EACH OCTOBER, WE ARE REMINDED THAT WE CELEBRATE AND HONOR THOSE FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.
HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE BROKEN THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE, AND REMEMBER THOSE THAT HAVE NOT, WE WANNA THANK THE COUNTY FOR BEING A PART OF WOMEN IN NEED AND SUPPORTING US IN OUR SERVICES THAT WE DO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT EVERYBODY COMING TOGETHER AND POINTING THEM TO US SO THAT WE CAN HELP THEM WALK THAT PATH OUT, WHETHER THAT'S SHELTER, PROTECTIVE ORDERS, SUPPORT GROUPS, WE'RE GONNA HELP THEM SEE THEM FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT AT THAT MOMENT, AND THEN ALSO HELP THEM GET TO SAFETY.
SO, THANK YOU, UH, ROCKWALL COUNTY FOR SUPPORTING US AGAIN.
[1. PUBLIC FORUM: (This is the public’s opportunity to address the Commissioners Court about County matters. During this meeting, the Commissioners Court will not discuss, consider or take action on any item not included on this meeting’s agenda. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during the Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)]
ALL RIGHT.THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.
ONE PERSON HAS SIGNED UP, MS. KIMBERLY RALSTON, IF FEW WILL COME FORWARD.
GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY.
COULD YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN TOWARDS YOU? YOU, YOU WON'T BREAK IT, I PROMISE YOU JUST BETTER.
I AM A RETIRED EMPLOYEE OF THIS COUNTY.
I AM ONE OF 94 EMPLOYEES WHO ARE RECEIVING THE STIPEND.
AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE DEAL IS DONE.
THERE'S NO GOING BACK TO THAT.
WHEN I RETIRED, I SIGNED A COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE FORM STATING THAT I WAS WAIVING THE COUNTY INSURANCE.
AND I, IN LIEU OF TAKING THE $300 STIPEND THAT WAS PROVIDED AT THAT TIME, UNDER THAT POLICY IN 2020 LAST YEAR, I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UM, HR STATING THAT THE STIPEND HAD BEEN REDUCED TO 200.
THIS YEAR, I DIDN'T RECEIVE A LETTER STATING THAT IT HAD BEEN FURTHER REDUCED.
I TALKED TO SOME OF MY RETIREE FRIENDS AND THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE A LETTER EITHER.
THE ONLY NOTICE THAT I GOT WAS WHEN MY BANK NOTIFIED ME OF THE DEPOSIT OF $150, FOR, WHICH I'M STILL GRATEFUL FOR.
BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU TODAY IS, WHY WAS IT, AND I KNOW IT'S A DONE DEAL, BUT WHY WAS IT NECESSARY TO REDUCE OUR STIPENDS? WHY? I SENT AN EMAIL LAST SEPTEMBER TO THE HR DEPARTMENT ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
WHEN I GOT THE LETTER, I GOT NO RESPONSE.
SO I'M HERE TODAY JUST TO VOICE MY OPINION, MY THOUGHTS, AND ASK THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE THAT YOU GUYS PUT YOURSELF IN OUR PLACE BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY FURTHER DECISIONS ON REDUCTION OF THIS STIPEND.
NEXT PERSON IS LISA HENDERSON.
I WAS JUST, UH, WANTED TO COME HERE AND ASK IF YOU GUYS KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DR. HORTON.
HE PUT A TINY HOME ON 5 48 ACROSS FROM, UH, MY SUBDIVISION IN ORDER TO GET A VOTE SO THAT HE CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN STOP IT? WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN MY COMMUNITY DO TO ASSIST YOU IN STOPPING IT OR DELAYING IT? SO, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT, AND, AND OUR, UH, GENERAL COUNSEL IS PULLING HIS MICROPHONE TOWARD HIMSELF, WHICH I'M ASSUMING HE'S GONNA TELL ME.
UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE PUBLIC, UH, UM, MEETING TIME WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TALK TO THEM, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK
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BACK TO YOU.'CAUSE THE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT YOU'RE AWARE, THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS? ALL RIGHT.
[2. Discuss/Act on adoption of an Order, pursuant to Texas Election Code §§2.052–2.053 and Texas Local Government Code §24.026(b), declaring the sole candidate for the Mobile City Special Election elected to office, and canceling said election due to unopposed status, and all related issues; (Judge New – Election Administrator)]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO AND ACT ON THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDER PURSUANT TO TEXAS ELECTION CODE 2 0 5 2 2 0 5 3 IN TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 4 0 2 6 B DECLARING THE SOLE CANDIDATE FOR THE MOBILE CITY SPECIAL ELECTION, ELECTED TO OFFICE AND CANCELING SET ELECTION DUE TO UNOPPOSED STATUS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.MR. LYNCH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS AT ALL? I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT WE CAN SAY.
WE CALLED FOR AN ELECTION FOR MOBILE CITY.
UH, THERE WAS ONE CANDIDATE THAT FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION TO RUN AS MAYOR.
THEY'RE A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE ELECTION.
I THINK, I THINK THIS IS, UH, VERY PROCEDURAL.
UH, AND, AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT, UM, GENERAL COUNSEL HAS ADVISED TO DO BASED ON, UH, THE TEXAS SELECTION CODE.
SO I THINK THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY SO THAT THAT ENTITY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, UM, AT SOME POINT, UH, CONVENE A QUORUM AND CONDUCT BUSINESS.
WELL, JUDGE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDER PURSUANT TEXAS ELECTION CODE 2.052 TO 2.053 IN THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 24 0 2 6, UM, AND DECLARE A SOLE CANDIDATE FOR MOBILE CITY SPECIAL ELECTION AND CANCEL SET ELECTION DUE TO UNOPPOSED STATUS.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, THANK YOU.
FIVE DAYS IN, STILL HAPPILY MARRIED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OVER UNDER IS, BUT
[3. Discuss/Act on updates of the Strategic Plan 2050 Implementation Management Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]
UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE UPDATES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER M**K, THANK YOU, JUDGE, AND COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE THAT IS HERE TODAY IN THE COURTROOM AND LISTENING ONLINE.
I'M KAMI WEBB AND I HAVE MET LAST WEEK WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUDGE HERE, UM, ON THE, UM, ON THE PODIUM.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THAT WE ARE GOING TO SCHEDULE THIS LATER THIS WEEK WITH.
SO ALL OF THE GOAL OWNERS AND THEIR, THEIR, UM, ONE OR TWO TOP INDIVIDUALS THAT'LL BE WORKING REAL CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THEIR, ON THEIR GOALS AND INITIATIVES.
WE HAVE BEEN GO, WE, WE CREATED A, A SPREADSHEET AND EVERYONE HAS BEEN RECEIVED THIS, WHERE IT IS OUR GOAL TO HAVE.
WE'VE CURRENTLY COMPLETED FIVE ITEMS COMPLETELY ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR SPREADSHEET THAT WE GAVE.
AND, AND, UM, JENNIFER FOG, I WILL GIVE YOU A COPY OF THIS TO BE PUT INTO THE MINUTES FOR NEXT TIME.
WE WENT OVER BUILDING THE FOUNDATION OF THE PLAN, ALIGNING THE ACTIONS TO SUPPORT THE GOALS.
AND WE, UM, ARE CURRENTLY, AS I SAID, MEETING WITH ALL OF THE GOAL OWNERS TO THEN, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF OCTOBER, SOMETIME IN THE EARLY PART OF NOVEMBER, EACH OF THE GOAL OWNERS, WE WILL HAVE THE, THE, THE INITIATIVES.
AND WITH THE RESPECTIVE TIMELINES, THOSE WILL BE PLACED INTO THE, THE INVISIO PLAN THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FORWARD FACING SOFTWARE ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, SEE FROM AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT, THE STATUS OF THIS GOALS, THE GOAL OWNERS, AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
I DO THINK WE MAYBE HAVE SOME MORE.
I, I, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
UM, SO, UH, AFTER THAT MEETING, UM, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER M**K AND CAMIE, WE STARTED REALLY, I GUESS MATERIALIZING WHAT, WHAT THIS REALLY LOOKS LIKE FOR MY GOAL, AND I JUST WANNA LET THE COURT KNOW.
UM, I'M, I'M IN CHARGE OF GOAL TWO, WHICH IS BASICALLY GROWTH PLANNING AND BUDGETING FOR THAT GROWTH.
AND I HAVE FORMED A COMMITTEE, UM, WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY TENTACLE OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO LOOK FOR PHONE SOLUTIONS.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR PHONE SYSTEMS AT THE END OF LIFE, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A FUND BUDGET TOPIC.
AND SO THE GOAL IS TO COME ABOUT MARCH, THAT THE COMMITTEE GIVES RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THEM ELIMINATING OR TRYING TO DRIVE THE COURT AS MUCH AS IT'S ABOUT DO THESE SOLUTIONS WORK FOR THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FOR HOW THEY USE THE PHONE AND WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW THEIR EMPLOYEES USE IT.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST MAKING A FINANCIAL DECISION, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE SYSTEM WORKS.
AND SO I HAVE PUT THAT COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND
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WE WILL BE STARTING MEETING THIS MONTH AND START TO GO THROUGH THE DEMOS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE TWO, THREE OR FOUR OPTIONS TO PRESENT THE COURT THAT ARE VIABLE AROUND MARCH TIME TO START LOOKING AT PUTTING THOSE IN THE BUDGET AND KIND OF DIRECTING US IN THAT WAY.SO THAT IS, UH, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE STARTED TO GET BUSY ON THAT, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
IT WAS AFTER THAT OUR MEETING THAT HE TOLD THAT HE SHARED THIS A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT IS SUPPOSED WHAT REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETIME IN THE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR.
MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE TIME PERIOD.
SO WE CAN BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
AND IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUDGET RELATED AS WE GET READY TO PREPARE FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL HAVE ALREADY MADE, MADE THE, THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT MAY BE IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
[4. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM ADDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER GUANA SAL IS ON THE WAY.
UH, CONSTRUCTION AND PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON THE THIRD FLOOR, UH, INFILL.
UM, THE MOST OF THE MILLWORK IS, IS COMPLETE AT THIS POINT FOR THE, UH, THE DAIS AND, UM, THE, THE, THE JUDGE'S BENCH.
UM, THE PEWS ARE BEGINNING CLOSE TO BEING DELIVERED AND BEING INSTALLED.
UM, THE DETENTION PARTITIONS ARE ALSO ON, UH, CURRENTLY BEING INSTALLED AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER PREVIOUSLY I SPOKE ON THAT THERE WAS A DELAY IN GETTING THOSE DELIVERED.
UH, THEY'VE ADDED SOME MANPOWER AND STARTING TO KIND OF TIGHTEN UP THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT DELAY IS GONNA IMPACT THE OVERALL SCHEDULE.
UM, WE'RE STILL KIND OF TRACKING FOR A FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY, UH, FINISH.
UM, IF ANYTHING CHANGES OFFICIALLY, I WILL, UH, LET THE COURT KNOW, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THEY DO EXPECT THAT TO POSSIBLY EVEN CREEP INTO DECEMBER, SO, AND BE EVEN EARLIER.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE A FEW DEDUCTIVE PCOS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THEIR WAY PRETTY SOON.
UM, WE GOT THE OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER IN HAND FOR THE, UH, AV EDITION THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
THAT JUST HAS NOT BEEN SENT TO THE COUNTY YET.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE NO OTHER NEWS.
UH, EVERYTHING'S GOING SMOOTH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR SAL? ALL RIGHT.
[5. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STA YEAH, I'LL TAKE THIS AS, AS NICO WALKS UP, 'CAUSE HE'LL HAVE A FEW OF THESE IN ORDER.
UM, WE'RE ABOUT A MONTH AWAY FROM PROBABLY BEING DONE WITH THE WORK THAT WE, THAT WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, WE'RE STILL HAVING, UM, FUN WITH SALVADOR AND REAGAN AND OUR FURNITURE MANUFACTURER GETTING THE LAST FURNITURE ORDER TOGETHER.
UM, ONCE THAT'S DONE, THAT'LL BE THE LAST PCO I'M AWARE OF THAT WILL, UM, HOPEFULLY WILL BE ON THE NEXT COURT.
UM, BUT THE PUNCH LIST WAS SIGNED OFF YESTERDAY.
UM, CAN, CAN WE, WAS THE PUNCH LIST SIGNED OFF AS COMPLETE? YES.
SO EV EVERY TIME I GO THERE, I PUSH THE HANDICAP BUTTON AT THE MAIN ENTRY AND, AND THE DOORS HAVE YET TO OPEN.
SO THE HANDICAP BUTTON COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING WILL OPEN THE DOORS.
THE HANDICAP BUTTON BUTTON GOING INTO THE BUILDING, UH, IS, IS NOT THE, THE DOORS DON'T FUNCTION.
YEAH, THAT'S, UH, INSTALLING THOSE, SO I'LL JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION
BUT YEAH, SO WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE.
IT'S, WE'RE DOWN TO A HANDFUL OF THOSE SORT OF ITEMS. AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON.
WE HAVE SOME CANOPIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DELIVERED YET.
UM, AGAIN, THE FURNITURE, UM, AND, UH, THE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING ON CLOSEOUT NEXT MONTH AND, UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY GET THE FINAL CHANGE ORDERS TOGETHER.
SO THERE'S JUST SOME MISCELLANEOUS THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN, LIKE THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES, UH, INVOICES CAME IN YESTERDAY, SO THERE'S JUST A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE PROCESSING THROUGH TO CLOSE OUT, BUT WE'RE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO CLOSING THAT BUILDING OUT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING.
WHEN IS THAT? I JU I FORGOT TO MAKE THE, THE 14TH OF NOVEMBER WILL BE A PUBLIC RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE ANNEX BUILDING.
UM, AND THE SIGNS WENT IN LAST WEEK, SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW HOW TO WALK AROUND THE BUILDING.
YEAH, THOSE SIGNS LOOK REALLY GOOD.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAD ON, ON THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETIME BEFORE JANUARY, THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL NO LONGER BE ON THE AGENDA.
THAT WILL BE A VERY HAPPY DAY.
WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE FOR US, NICO? UH, I HAVE NOTHING
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TO ADD AS FAR AS THE ANNEX CONCERNED.STACY, YOU COVERED ABOUT ALL OF IT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN WE'LL MOVE
[6. Discuss/Act on approving a Change Order #03 with Broaddus and Associates to revise fees associated with the change of Broaddus personnel assigned to the Rockwall County Annex Project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM SIX.DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE WITH BROADEST AND ASSOCIATES TO REVISE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGE OF BROADEST PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
THIS IS A FEE REDUCTION BASED UPON, UM, KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY.
THEY, THEY HAD TWO FOLKS WORKING ON A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO NICO.
UM, AND SO THERE WAS A FEE REDUCTION THAT WE AGREED TO.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WE'RE JUST MAKING IT REAL
AND, AND, AND WE, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PAYING THE REDUCED FEES FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
THIS IS, WE, WE JUST NOW FINALLY GOT THE WRITING, THE, THE FORMAL YES.
PART OF IT IN PAPER TO SEND TO YOU.
SO DID I HEAR YOU SAY THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL? DID YOU JUST THROW THAT IN? YES.
YEAH, THIS IS THE ANNEX AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE, THE BROADEST IS OUR OWNER'S REP ON BOTH PROJECTS.
AND THAT AMOUNT, THAT REVISED FEE IS FOR, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING A MONTHLY FEE TO HAVE THEM HERE THROUGH THE END OF THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL.
AND MY SERVICERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, NOT JUST THOSE TWO, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO, WITH NONE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE WITH BROADEST AND ASSOCIATES GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
THANK YOU NICO AND COMMISSIONER STACY, THIS WILL TAKE US TO
[7. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff’s remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY, AND THIS IS WHAT NICO IS HERE TO PRESENT ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL.
UH, THINGS ARE GOING VERY WELL AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REMODEL.
UH, WE'RE PERFORMING UNDER BUDGET.
UH, WE ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE SLIGHTLY, UM, ROUGHLY 28 DAYS.
UH, THAT WAS DUE TO THE PERMITTING REVIEW HOLDUPS THAT WE HAD.
AND I THINK I SPOKE ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PCOS, UH, THAT ARE OUT PENDING RIGHT NOW, PCOS THREE AND FOUR.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, HERE TODAY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A PCO FIVE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE NEXT COURT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PENDING CHANGES, UH, REGARDING A SI ONE FOR PLUMBING.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME COMMUNICATIONS, UH, CHANGES.
CAN YOU SAY WHAT A SI ONE IS? YES.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING NOT TO SPEAK IN ACRONYMS. YEAH.
SO A SI, UH, A SI ONE IS A DRAWING REVISION, UH, THAT CAME FORTH FROM THOSE, UH, PERMIT REVIEW COMMENTS, UH, THAT CAME ABOUT.
SO BASICALLY THE PERMITTING HELD EVERYTHING UP, SO WE HAD TO REDRAW STUFF AND NOW IT'S GONNA COST US MONEY TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES.
IS THE BOTTOM LINE SUMMARY TO THAT.
AND THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE 28 DAYS, OR SOME OF THAT 28 DAYS.
WE'RE BEHIND 28 DAYS BECAUSE OF THE PERMIT WAS THE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THE PLUMBING AND COMMUNICATION SCOPES YET, BUT THEY ARE BEING WORKED ON.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I THINK HE STILL HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YEAH, WE'RE, SO WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE, BUT WE'RE ON BUDGET.
UM, WE RECENTLY RELEASED THE PURCHASE ORDERS FOR THE EVIDENCE LOCKERS AND SHELVING.
UH, WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE DISPATCH CONSOLES RELEASED.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE $260,000 YOU GUYS SEE UNDER OWNER PROCUREMENT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY, THAT'S THE, THE EVIDENCE LOCKERS, UM, AROUND $400,000 HAS BEEN SPENT.
THE BUDGET, THAT'S PURELY CONSTRUCTION COSTS FROM SCI, UM, 405,000.
THAT'S, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
SO THAT'S PARK HILL, THAT'S OUR GRANT WORKS.
AND ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WE'RE USING.
UM, NOW THAT INCLUDES DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UH, THAT'S NOT PURELY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, OWNER CONTINGENCY, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THAT.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE VALUE ENGINEERING, UH, THAT TOOK PLACE.
WE WERE ABLE TO ADD MORE TO THE CONTINGENCY.
UM, AND SO THAT LEAVES US, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND A MILLION DOLLARS OF BUDGET SPENT THUS FAR OF, UH, TOTAL PROJECT COSTS OF SEVEN OR RIGHT AROUND 7.5 MILLION.
UH, SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF OUR COST PERFORMANCE.
UH, IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, UH, WE'VE
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BEEN WORKING ON MEP OVERHEAD, THAT'S MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING.AND SO THAT ENTAILS, UH, THE MECHANICAL DUCTING, UH, FOR ALL THE AC UNITS AND AIR DISTRIBUTION, THE ELECTRICAL, UH, CONDUITS, UH, RUNNING THROUGHOUT THE SPACE ABOVE THE CEILINGS.
AND THEN ALSO THE HOT, HOT AND COLD WATER PLUMBING, UH, PIPING ABOVE THE CEILING.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE INTERIOR FRAMING, JUST FRAMING OUT ALL THE NEW OFFICES AND PHASE ONE, UH, PHASE ONE AND CAPSULES, BOTH AREA WORK AREA A AND B.
UH, SO WE'RE LARGELY COMPLETE WITH ALL THE FRAMING.
AND NOW WE'RE, WE'VE MOVED ON TO DOING THE END WALL, MEP, UH, WHICH IS JUST ALL THE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING WITHIN THE WALL.
UM, WE STILL ARE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF DEMOLITION WORK, UM, AND FILLING SOME OF THE DOORS THAT ARE GETTING DELETED OUT.
UM, DIMMING SOME OF THE LOW VOLTAGE STUFF.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND CAUTIOUS.
UH, DIMMING OUT ANY LOW VOLTAGE STUFF TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, OPERATIONS INTERRUPTIONS.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO DOING SOME MASONRY CURRENTLY, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE IN FILLING SOME OF THOSE, UM, THOSE OPENINGS DOORS THAT ARE GETTING REMOVED.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE, UH, IN CMU BLOCK WALLS.
UH, SO THEY HAD TO FILL IN WITH BLOCK, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WE'LL BE CONTINUING THOSE SAME ACTIVITIES UNTIL, UH, WE FINISH OUT PHASE ONE.
UH, WE WILL HAVE, UH, A FEW INSPECTIONS COMING UP HERE SOON.
UH, THE PRE DRYWALL INSPECTION AS WELL AS THE OVERHEAD MEP INSPECTION.
UM, THOSE SHOULD BE COMING SOON.
AND THEN ALSO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STRUCTURAL INSPECTION ON THE FRAMING MEMBERS FOR THE, UH, OPERABLE PARTITION THAT'S GOING IN THE, THE EOC.
UH, THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THE ADDITIONAL LOAD OF THAT OPERABLE PARTITION.
UM, THE RTUS ROOFTOP UNITS, UM, AC UNITS, SUBMITTALS ARE PENDING.
WE HAVE A FEW THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND RELEASED, BUT, UH, NOT COMPLETELY.
AND THEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE FURNITURE VENDOR SELECTION, UH, WITH THE SHERIFF TEAM.
UM, SO WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO ONE OR TWO AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE VENDORS DO A TEST FIT FOR US, UH, IN THE SHERIFF TEAM.
AND WE'RE GONNA SIT DOWN AND SEE WHICH ONE WE THINK IS BEST AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO, SO, SO THE VENDOR THAT IS, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH, WITH THE ANNEX WAS NOT ON THE LIST FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
JUST
'CAUSE IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH TO GET YEAH, THE ANNEX FINISHED.
THEY ALL SEEM LIKE GOOD CANDIDATE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU NICO.
[8. Discuss/Act on approving Prime contract Change Order No. 003 and 004 to the agreement with SCI Construction for the Rockwall County Sheriff Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING PRIME CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR TO THE AGREEMENT WITH SCI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.SO, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO GIVE A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW.
UM, PCO THREE IS THE SERVER ROOM.
UM, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, IT WAS GONNA HAVE CARPET.
WE HAVE MOVED THAT TO POLISH CONCRETE.
WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH A WASH, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BETTER FUNCTIONALITY FOR THE SERVER ROOM.
UM, AND PCO FOUR, UH, IS KIND OF A, A A, A JU A JUMBLE OF THINGS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S, IT'S $58,000, $59,000 GO INTO CONTINGENCY 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL OF OUR VALUE ENGINEERING CHANGES AND THAT'S SOME OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES AFTER THE PERMIT REVIEW.
SO WE, WE DID, UM, SOME VALUE ENGINEERING CHANGES ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN THERE AND LOOK AT THE MECHANICAL AND LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE STUFF LOOKED LIKE TO REDUCE THE COST.
UM, BUT THE PERMIT REVIEW, UM, IS CAUSING US TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.
SO WE'RE HOPING AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER WE GET THE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL THAT WE'RE STILL SAVING THAT MONEY.
BUT IT BASICALLY, THE PCO FOUR HAS A NET RESULT OF 59,000 58 9 9 9 1 9 GOING TO CONTINGENCY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PRIME CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR TO THE AGREEMENT WITH SCI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND.
YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.
[9. Discuss/Act on approving a revision to the Rockwall County Policy C.11 - Call Out and On Call Compensation, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - HR)]
TO AGENDA ITEM NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A REVISION TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY POLICY.[00:35:01]
C DO ONE, ONE CALL OUT AND ON-CALL COMPENSATION AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, THIS ONE'S A REAL QUICK EDIT.
UM, WHEN WE WROTE THIS POLICY AS THE BENEFITS COMMITTEE, WE LINED UP THE ON-CALL WITH PAYROLL, BUT THAT REQUIRES A SWITCH AT FRIDAY AT MIDNIGHT.
UM, WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT WORK, UM, RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE SWITCH TO BE MONDAY AT 8:00 AM SO WHEN THEY SWITCH ON-CALL PEOPLE, IT'LL BE MONDAY AT 8:00 AM WHICH IS MUCH EASIER THAN FRIDAY AT MIDNIGHT FOR, UH, FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S THE ONE EDIT THAT IS BEING CHANGED TO THIS DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, TO THIS, UH, POLICY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ROAD AND BRIDGE IT AND MAINTENANCE.
WELL, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE ONE QUESTION I'VE WRITTEN HERE, WHICH IS WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? UM, SO YOU'VE, YOU, YOU'VE SUCCESSFULLY PREEMPTED THAT.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY OR HR? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REVISION TO ROCKWALL COUNTY POLICY C 11 CALL OUT AND ON CALL, I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE NOW PLEASE.
[10. Discuss/Act on approving a five-year copier lease with CPI for the Human Resources Department at an annual cost of $1,932.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
TO AGENDA ITEM 10, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A FIVE YEAR COPIER LEASE WITH CPI FOR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AT AN ANNUAL COST OF $1,932 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, SO, UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF LIBERTY AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE NEXT THREE ITEMS KIND OF TOGETHER.
'CAUSE IT'S ALL WORKING FOR THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST THREE SEPARATE, UH, UH, CONTRACTS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DESKTOP PRINTERS AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY COST IN TONER.
UM, SO WE HAVE HR, INDIGENT HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, WORKED WITH ALL THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING TO THESE, TO THESE DIFFERENT MACHINES WHICH HAVE MORE FUNCTIONALITY BUT WILL COST LESS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO MAINTAIN, TO BUY TONER, TO KEEP UP WITH THEM.
UM, THE HR AND INDIGENT BASED UPON USAGE.
WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A FIVE-YEAR LEASE.
THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS WRITTEN AS A FIVE-YEAR LEASE, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THREE AND A FIVE-YEAR LEASE.
UM, BUT WHAT THIS IS DOING IS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF DESKTOP PRINTERS AND MOVING TO THESE, UH, MORE, UM, INDUSTRIAL TYPE MACHINES THAT WILL REDUCE OUR OVERALL COST.
UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN SLOWLY START IMPLEMENTING CHANGES LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STARTING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SETUP FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT THREE UH, ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, DO YOU PLAN TO DISCUSS EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY? WELL, 100%.
I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT'S THE GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT YEAH, WE'LL GO ONE AT A TIME.
ALRIGHT THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A FIVE YEAR COPIER LEASE WITH CPI FOR THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AT AN ANNUAL COST OF $1,932.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES PLEASE.
[11. Discuss/Act on approving a five-year copier lease with CPI for the Developmental Services Department at an annual cost of $1,680.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
ITEM 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A FIVE YEAR COP OR LEASE WITH CPI FOR DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AT AN ANNUAL COST OF $1,680 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY? SO WHEN WE WERE WRITING THE BUDGET, UM, WE PUT $4,000 IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR A COPY MACHINE 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE QUITE WHERE WE'RE GONNA LAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER FOR THIS 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER MACHINE FOR US TO GO TO A THREE YEAR LEASE FOR A NEW DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN WITHHOLD WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S BRAND NEW.
UM, AND THEN IF IT DOES WORK, WE CAN THEN GO TO, UM, A FIVE YEAR LEASE, IF THAT EVEN MAKES SENSE.
THE, THE COST DIFFERENCE GOES FROM 140 FOR THE 60 MONTH PER MONTH TO 155.
SO IT'S WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
AND SO, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND INSTEAD OF APPROVING THE FIVE YEAR LEASE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT WE GO TO THE THREE YEAR LEASE.
BUT LET ME ANNUALIZE THAT REAL QUICK BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR FEELINGS ON THAT.
WHAT, WHAT, ERICA, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR FEELINGS ON THAT? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THREE OR FIVE.
I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE GETTING ONE OF THESE LARGER MACHINES THAT CAN DO 11 BY 17 COLOR PRINTS
WHAT, WHAT'S THE ANNUAL COST COME TO COMMISSIONER STACY? $1,860 FOR A THREE YEAR LEASE BUT TO GO FROM THE TWO? CORRECT.
AND, AND I JUST THINK IT'S BETTER SINCE IT'S A BRAND NEW DEPARTMENT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRINTING NEEDS ARE GONNA LOOK
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LIKE AND MAYBE WE CAN GET THOSE REDUCED, UM, UH, THROUGH SOME, SOME THINGS AND THEN BE ABLE TO GO TO A FIVE YEAR LEASE.I JUST WORRY ON THOSE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IF WE ABUSE THIS PRINTER WITH A DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD RUNNING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORICAL DATA TO LOOK AT PRINTING OR ANYTHING LIKE WE DO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO GO TO FIVE-YEAR LEASE.
IT JUST, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE SINCE IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE BUDGET JUST TO GO TO THE THREE-YEAR LEASE AND THEN REEVALUATE AND, AND IF WE CAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE MONITORING HOW MUCH THEY PRINT, SO WE'RE ABLE TO THEN TURN AROUND AND GO BACK TO CPI AND GO, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GO TO A FIVE-YEAR LEASE? AND IF THEY THINK SO WE COULD DO THAT ON THE NEXT MACHINE.
AND THIS IS, AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE PRINTER BECAUSE WE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ALSO HAS THE MAPPER IN THERE AS WELL.
CORRECT? THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE BIG CHARTING.
THIS, THIS IS ONLY WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A PRINTER COFFEE MACHINE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A THREE YEAR LEASE, UM, WITH CPI FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND AN ANNUAL AMOUNT OF $1,860.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, I'LL SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[12. Discuss/Act on approving a five-year copier lease with CPI for the Indigent Health Care Department at an annual cost of $1,932.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
TO AGENDA ITEM 12, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A FIVE YEAR COPIER LEASE WITH CPI FOR INDIGENT HEALTHCARE DEPARTMENT AT AN ANNUAL COST OF $1,932 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY, THIS IS THE SAME WITH THE HR.
SO I MEAN, I, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY WE APPROVE THIS FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH CPI FOR INDIGENT HEALTHCARE AT THE ANNUAL ANNUAL COST OF $1,932.
I'M GONNA CALL THAT, I'M GONNA CALL THAT A MOTION.
I DID MAKE THE MOTION SECOND AND GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES PLEASE.
[13. Discuss/Act on Interlocal Cooperation Agreement between the North Texas Municipal Water District and Rockwall County regarding land transfer for Crenshaw Road, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
ITEM 13, DISCUSS AN ACT ON INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND ROCKWELL COUNTY REGARDING LAND TRANSFER FOR CRENSHAW ROAD AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY, THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE GOING TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT'S NEXT BOARD MEETING.
UM, THEY JUST ASKED US TO APPROVE IT BEFORE THEIR BOARD MEETING.
WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR PROPERTY WHEN WE TURN CRENSHAW ROAD.
AGAIN, IF YOU REMEMBER CRENSHAW ROAD'S COMING OFF ITS CURRENT PATH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT BY THAT SABINE CREEK, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT NORTH TEXAS OWNS.
SO IN A WAY, WE'RE KIND OF CLIPPING THE SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND RESTORING A FENCE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT DETAILED FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, TAKE DOWN THEIR FENCE AND PUT A NEW FENCE UP AS WE GET THE RIGHT OF WAY TO KIND OF BEND OUT AND, AND, UH, TURN.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, JUDGE.
IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, FROM IN ARTICLE ONE THE $12,221? IS THAT THE TOTAL YES.
AND THEN WILL WE CHARGING THIS TO THE ROAD BOND? CORRECT.
WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WHICH, WHICH ROAD BOND? UH, 2008 HAS MONEY ENCUMBERED.
YOU WERE LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
WELL JUDGE WITH THAT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE INTERLOCAL, UH, COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND ROCKWALL COUNTY AS PRESENTED FOR CRENSHAW ROAD.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[14. Discuss/Act on giving direction and approval to begin the process of issuing Road Bonds from the TRIP 2021 bond program, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy-Commissioner Liechty)]
US TO AGENDA ITEM 14, DISCUSS AND ACT ON GIVING DIRECTION AND APPROVAL TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ISSUING ROAD BONDS FROM THE TRIP 2021 BOND PROGRAM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.COMMISSIONER STACY AND LTI, THIS IS A JOINT COMMISSIONER AGENDA ITEM.
YEAH, THIS IS A JOINT ITEM AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY ALL FIVE OF US I HOPE, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT THAT WHEN THE VOTE'S TAKEN.
UM, BUT I KNOW WE ALL HAVE SIMILAR INTENTIONS HERE.
THE VOTERS OF ROCKWELL COUNTY APPROVED A BOND ISSUANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $150 MILLION IN 2021.
UM, SINCE JOINING THIS COURT IN TWO THOU IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, ONE OF MY PRIORITIES, PROBABLY MY STRONGEST PRIORITY HAS BEEN BUILDING ROADS AND ISSUING ROAD BONDS.
UM, I AM EXCITED THAT THIS RES YOU DON'T OFTEN GET EXCITED ABOUT A BOND RESOLUTION, BUT I'M EXCITED THAT THIS RESOLUTION WILL COMMENCE THAT PROCESS.
THERE WILL BE A FINAL RESOLUTION THAT WE NEED TO PASS PROBABLY AT OUR JANUARY 13TH, 2026
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MEETING.AS YOU ALL SAW ON THIS SCHEDULE, THE FINAL BOND AMOUNT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED.
I THINK EVERYONE ON THE COURT IS UP TO DATE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT JUST SO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE LISTENING IN ARE AWARE, WE HAVE GONE TO ALL THE CITIES, UH, THROUGH OUR ROAD CONSORTIUM AND WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO PRIORITIZE WHERE THEY WANT TO SPEND BOND FUNDS.
WE HAVE COME, WE'RE WORKING TO FINALIZE THOSE PRIORITIES, BUT WE'VE GOT GREAT INPUT FROM ALL OF OUR CITIES.
UH, WE'VE GOT A GREAT SENSE OF, UH, PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
UM, THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE NOT DETERMINED, BUT MY GUESS IS THIS BOND ISSUE WILL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 35 AND $60 MILLION.
UH, BUT AS I SAID, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING THAT AT A FINAL RESOLUTION IN JANUARY.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF COMPLYING WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND IMPLEMENTING IT, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER FOUR AND OUR OPERATING INITIATIVE NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS TO IDENTIFY INVESTMENT MECHANISMS AND FUNDING SOURCES BONDS IN THIS CASE TO SUPPORT COUNTYWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, MAINTENANCE, AND, UM, TO, AND REPAIR COSTS.
WITH THAT WE HAVE A, UH, PERSON, MARTY SHAW, CORRECT SCHU, MARTY S MARTY SCHU, SORRY, WITH HILLTOP, APOLOGIZE WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.
THAT WILL NOT BE THE LAST MISTAKE I MAKE TODAY, BUT I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO MARTY, IF YOU WANNA GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE US AND WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
MARTY CHU, MY PARTNER SUSAN STRADE.
WE'RE BOTH WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.
UH, WE DO REPRESENT THE COUNTIES, YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
SO THIS IS, UM, MORE OR LESS THE FIRST STEP, UH, TO KICK OFF THIS BOND ISSUANCE PROCESS.
SO THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU MORE OR LESS SETS OUT THE TIMETABLE THAT WE HAVE PREPARED.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT TIMETABLE.
THE ONE THAT WE WILL BE WORKING OFF OF YOUR RESOLUTION HAS ALL OF THESE DATES INCLUDED.
IT TAKES ABOUT 90 DAYS TO GET A BOND ISSUE TO MARKET.
SO WE WILL START ACCUMULATING DATA.
ASSUMING YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION, WE WILL START ACCUMULATING DATA TO PREPARE AN OFFERING DOCUMENT AND GO THROUGH THE WRITING PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD PROPOSE TO COME BACK AT YOUR JANUARY 13TH MEETING WITH A PARAMETER ORDER THAT IS A OFFICIAL BOND DOCUMENT THAT WOULD GIVE US THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE.
A PARAMETER ORDER SETS FORTH A, UM, SERIES OF PARAMETERS.
I LIKE TO THINK OF THEM AS CHECK BOXES THAT HAVE TO OCCUR IN ORDER FOR THE SALE TO TAKE PLACE.
AND YOU WOULD BE SUBMIT, YOU WOULD BE, UM, SETTING A MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, A MAXIMUM INTEREST RATE, UM, AND THERE WOULD BE A DELEGATED AUTHORITY THAT WOULD EXPIRE.
USUALLY IT'S SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.
WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IT SIX MONTHS AT THIS POINT.
SO WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE HAVE STARTED RUNNING SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS FOR YOU SO YOU CAN START NAILING DOWN EXACTLY HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO ISSUE BECAUSE THAT IS KEY.
UH, AND WE HAVE PREPARED A TAX RATE IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO MEMBERS OF THE COURT, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THESE DOCUMENTS BEFORE.
WE HAVE, UM, WE ALWAYS DO THESE, UH, PRIOR TO A BOND SALE TO UH, DETERMINE A TAX IMPACT IF THERE IS ANY ON THE POTENTIAL ISSUANCE.
UH, THESE ARE BASED ON FIRST PRELIMINARY ASSUMPTIONS.
SO OUR PLANNING IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS USED.
SO I'M JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS WORKSHEET FROM LEFT TO RIGHT SO THAT I CAN IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.
WE FIRST HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR, UM, ASSESSED VALUE SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY, BUT MOVING FORWARD WE HAVE TO MAKE A PREDICTION.
UH, WE ALWAYS PREFER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND BE CONSERVATIVE.
SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, WE HAVE ASSUMED A 4% GROWTH RATE.
WE HAVE STEPPED IT DOWN THEREAFTER, 4%, 3%, AND 2% THEREAFTER.
MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD RATHER UNDERSTATE IT THAN OVERSTATED IT.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN GROWING BY WAY MORE THAN THAT.
BUT IF WE PUT TOO HIGH OF A GROWTH RATE MOVING FORWARD, IT WILL UNDERSTATE YOUR TAX IMPACT.
AND AS YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, I DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT POSITION WHERE I HAVE TO TELL YOU YOUR TAX RATE IS GOING UP BY MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE ESTIMATING.
SO WE THEN FOLD IN YOUR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE.
UM, D AND E MORE OR LESS REPRESENT THAT, UH, E IS KIND OF A, IT SAYS, OR IT'S YOUR DEBT SERVICE SHARE OF YOUR FROZEN REVENUES.
YOU HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR TAX BASE THAT IS OVER 65.
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SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT GROWTH THAT YOU'RE SEEING.BUT LONG STORY SHORT, THAT PORTION COMES OUT OF YOUR TAX RIGHT CALCULATION, BUT YOU DO RECEIVE REVENUE FROM IT.
SO WE GO AHEAD AND FOLD THAT INTO THIS UH, WORKSHEET.
AND THEN COLUMNS FGH REPRESENT OUR ANTICIPATED SALE AMOUNT.
WE'VE RUN TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR YOU.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR A $35 MILLION ISSUANCE.
THIS IS A BOND ISSUANCE TO NET THE COUNTY 35 MIL MILLION DOLLARS IN PROJECT PROCEEDS IN CONNECTION WITH OUR TIMETABLE.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE SHOWING THAT POTENTIALLY YOU COULD USE SOME DEBT SERVICE FUND BALANCE TO HELP OFFSET YOUR TAX IMPACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027.
IT'S A ONE-TIME USE OF ABOUT $824,000, UH, IN THIS SCENARIO TO KIND OF MINIMIZE YOUR TAX IMPACT.
THAT MONEY IS SITTING IN YOUR INTEREST IN SYNCING ACCOUNT.
IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR DEBT SERVICE, IT CANNOT BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
AND SO IT'S AN EXCELLENT USE OF THOSE FUNDS TO USE IT.
SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO OFFSET YOUR TAX IMPACT, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE, UM, OUR PASS THROUGH TOLLS TO OFFSET, UM, THIS AS WELL? YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THAT MONEY AS REVENUE THAT YOU POTENTIALLY COULD BE USING IN OTHER PLACES THOUGH, SO IF YOU'RE USING IT AND FOR YOUR OPERATING PURPOSES OR TOWARDS OTHER ROAD PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA DOUBLE SPEND IT CORRECT, BUT THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE FOR, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO ASK.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FOR YOUR BONDS YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE ANY LAWFULLY AVAILABLE FUNDS TO SUPPORT YOUR BONDS.
UH, YOU JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF NOT EATING INTO YOUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND YOUR FUND BALANCES THAT ARE RESERVED FOR YOUR OTHER OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
UM, SO THE CRUX OF THIS DOCUMENT TAKES US ALL THE WAY TO COLUMN K.
THAT IS OUR ANTICIPATED TAX IMPACT.
UM, SO YOUR ADOPTED DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 SINCE YOU JUST WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS 0.0531.
SO IN THIS SCENARIO, FOR THE $35 MILLION ISSUANCE, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT YOUR TAX RATE, YOUR INTEREST IN THINKING FUND TAX RATE, YOUR DEBT SERVICE SIDE OF THE TAX RATE WOULD NEED TO GO UP TO ABOUT 0.0618, WHICH IS LESS THAN A PENNY IMPACT.
SO IT'S POINT, IT'S 0.087, WHICH IS JUST UNDER A PENNY IMPACT.
THE SECOND SCENARIO IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
ALL THE SAME ASSUMPTIONS JUST UH, ILLUSTRATES A $60 MILLION ISSUANCE FOR YOU.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT.
THE TAX IMPACT OF THAT IS JUST OVER A PENNY.
IT'S UNDER TWO PENNIES, SO IT'S 1.74 PENNIES.
UM, I DID ALSO PREPARE THIS DOCUMENT.
THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING WE HAVE PROVIDED TO THE COURT.
THIS IS YOUR TAX RATE HISTORY OVER TIME SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT YOU PR UH, PROMISED OR ADVERTISED TO VOTERS VERSUS WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY OVER TIME.
UM, AND THIS WORKSHEET IS JUST, WE TRACKED YOUR HISTORICAL TAX RATE AND WE'VE CALCULATED ANY INCREASES DECREASES OR CUMULATIVE CHANGES OVER TIME.
AND UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE 2008 ELECTION AT THAT TIME, THE COUNTY'S TAX RATE WAS 35 CENTS.
AS PART OF THAT ELECTION, THE COUNTY ADVERTISED A POSSIBLE 3 CENT TAX IMPACT FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ROAD BONDS.
SINCE THEN, THE COUNTY HAS CUMULATIVELY REDUCED THE TOTAL TAX RATE BY OVER 10 CENTS.
SO YOU'RE NOWHERE NEAR WHERE YOU WERE IN 2008.
SO TO TAKE ON ANY IMPACT WITH THIS PROPOSED BOND ISSUANCE, YOU'RE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED TO VOTERS AND YOU'VE CLEARLY CONTINUED TO RATCHET YOUR TAX RATE DOWN.
UM, SO WE CAN'T SAY POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE LARGER AMOUNT OF THE 60 MILLION, THE 1.74 CENT INCREASE, IT'S NOT EVEN UM, AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON SINCE YOU ARE 10 CENTS LOWER THAN WHERE YOU WERE IN 2008.
SO YOU'RE NOT AT ANY RISK OF APPROACHING THOSE MAXIMUMS OR VIOLATING WHAT YOU TOLD YOUR VOTERS.
UM, SO AS MENTIONED, WE WILL, ONCE WE GET DIRECTION FOR EXACTLY HOW MUCH YOU WANNA ISSUE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BOND ISSUANCE PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN THE SALE DATE WOULD OCCUR
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HOPEFULLY SOMEWHERE QUICKLY AFTER YOU PASSED OR ADOPTED YOUR PARAMETER ORDER.THE BONDS THEN GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR APPROVAL AND YOU GET THE MONEY 30 DAYS AFTER THAT.
SO BASED ON THIS TIMELINE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE THE FUNDS ON FEBRUARY 18TH.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THANKS, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS DOCUMENTATION.
UM, AND THIS IS, I I, YOU STATED, AND I CONCUR WITH YOU THAT YOUR PROJECTIONS ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE BASED UPON YOUR TAX GROWTH RATE.
JUST FOR OUR PLANNING PURPOSES, UM, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, COULD YOU PLEASE PREPARE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND BEHIND, BUT YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF IF WE TOOK OUR HISTORIC PROJECTED GROWTH RATE, WHAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY DO TO US? BECAUSE MY GUESS IS BACK IN, UM, 2008 WHEN THE COURT PROJECTED A 3 CENT INCREASE, WHICH SINCE THEN HAS GONE TO A 10 CENT DECREASE, UM, THEY WERE LOOKING AT SIMILAR NUMBERS AND WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT VERY SIMILAR CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME IF WE COULD SEE, LOOKING FORWARD, IF WE GET HISTORICAL GROWTH, JUST PROJECT IT OUT, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN.
BECAUSE MY GUESS IS, AND IT'S JUST A GUESS, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, LESS THAN THIS AND POSSIBLY NOT EVEN ANY TAX INCREASE AT ALL.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US AT SOME POINT.
UM, PART OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS, THE TWO MAJOR ONES IS THE GROWTH OF YOUR CESS VALUE MOVING FORWARD AS WELL AS INTEREST RATE ASSUMPTIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW FOR PURPOSES OF THESE, UM, BOTH DEBT ISSUANCES, WE'VE USED AN ESTIMATED, UH, TRUE INTEREST COST OF 4.25% THAT HAS SOME CUSHION ON IT AS WELL, UH, IN ORDER TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
SO I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THESE AS KIND OF A WORSE CASE SCENARIO IN TERMS OF IMPACT.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE MORE GROWTH OR INTEREST RATES COME DOWN, BOTH OF THOSE WILL OFFSET THAT TAX IMPACT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THE COUNTY HAS BEEN IN THE POSITION IT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.
'CAUSE WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH BOTH OF YOUR ELECTIONS IN TERMS OF PROJECTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AND YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO ABSORB MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF YOUR DEBT ISSUANCES WITHOUT ANY TAX IMPACT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS YOU'D MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, AS APPROVING A RESOLUTION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT? IS THAT A NO? SO AND SECOND PART, WHEN WOULD YOU NEED US TO APPROVE THAT RESOLUTION? SO THE AGENDA ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A RE RESOLUTION TO PROCEED WITH THIS TIMETABLE.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS KIND OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, ACTION ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN, THAT MAKES, MAKES THE BOND TEAM AWARE THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING AND MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH THE TRANSACTION.
SO THAT'S THE JANUARY 13TH DATE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THAT IS, SO THE OFFERING DOCUMENT, THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT DOESN'T NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE COURT.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PREPARE IN THE BACKGROUND.
BUT THE JANUARY 13TH DATE WOULD BE THE FORMAL FORMAL PARAMETER ORDER THAT IT'S CALLED.
THAT'S THE ACTUAL GOVERNING BOND DOCUMENT THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE BOND TRANSACTION.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BIBLE OF THE TRANSACTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEFORE YOU TO APPROVE ON JANUARY 13TH.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'VE HAD.
YOU RUN TWO SCENARIOS, 60 MILLION AND A 35 MILLION.
I MEAN, NOT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, BUT THE NEXT PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU NEED FROM US IS HOW MUCH DO, DO WE WANT TO, UH, HOW MUCH BONDS DO WE WANNA SELL? CORRECT.
SO WE NEED TO NAIL DOWN THAT AMOUNT BEFORE WE APPROACH THE RATING AGENCIES.
SO ON THE CURRENT TIMETABLE, WE'VE ESTIMATED THE RATING CONFERENCE CALLS TO HAPPEN MID-DECEMBER.
SO WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO HAVE AN AMOUNT FINALIZED BEFORE WE GO INTO THOSE MEETINGS.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, JUST TAKE A MINUTE HERE ON THE COURT AND LET'S HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION.
UH, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES LIGHTNING STRIKES AND WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T
UM, I, I THINK 60 MILLION IS, IS IS THE NUMBER.
UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT, THAT FAR EXCEED THAT.
UH, AND WE, WE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS OF WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, TO
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PRIORITIZE WITH OUR 60 MILLION.BUT I THINK, UH, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS OF WHETHER THEY THINK 30 FIVE'S A GOOD FIRST ISSUANCE OR WELL, LET'S GO AROUND THE ROOM.
WE'LL START, WE'LL START ON THIS SIDE.
UM, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FOUR.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S TOO AMBITIOUS.
I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, POLLSTER, UH, JOHN POLLSTER, OUR ROAD CONSULTANT AND BRENDA TALK ABOUT SPENDING ROAD MONEY IS HARDER THAN WE THINK.
UM, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND MORE MONEY.
SO IF WE DID 25 TO 40, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND DO FOR THREE YEARS.
WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO DO A SECOND ISSUANCE, A THIRD ISSUANCE AS THESE PROJECTS COME TO LIGHT.
UM, SO I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AMBITIOUS.
BUT I ALSO THINK, UM, JUDGE, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO DO A WORKSHOP THIS MONTH TO REALLY KIND OF FINE TUNE.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER CALL WITH THE ITS TEAM ON MONDAY ON MY PRECINCT PROJECTS AND HOW I WANNA SEE THOSE SHAPED TOGETHER BASED UPON WHAT MY CITIES ARE TELLING ME AND WHAT THE CONSORTIUM'S SAYING.
UM, I THINK ANOTHER WORKSHOP IS A BETTER PLACE TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE NUMBER WILL FIND ITSELF WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY.
UM, IF WE HAD $60 MILLION IN PROJECTS, I WOULD HAVE NO HEARTBURN, UM, SPENDING THE MONEY.
I THINK THAT THAT ROADS ARE SO IMPORTANT IF, IF WE COULD JUSTIFY IT.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT, UM, ITS WAS PROPOSING, IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 MILLION AND THEN 12 MILLION WAS COMING OUT, UM, BASED UPON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
SO I THINK SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT 35 TO 50 IS JUST WHERE MY, WHERE I'M THINKING IT'LL PROBABLY LAND.
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN GOING TO 60.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR ROAD CONSULTANTS AND SAY, HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE ACTUALLY SPEND ON THESE PROJECTS? 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK, NOT WORKING.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
AND I THINK A WORKSHOP WOULD GET US REALLY CLOSE TO THAT.
WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE CONSORTIUM WHERE THEY BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE, THEY'RE NOT A SECRET.
I I KNOW WHAT MY, I KNOW WHAT FATE AND ROYCE CITY WANT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.
I THINK COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TWO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S ADVOCATING FOR.
SO, UM, I, I, I, BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE THREE YEARS FROM THIS ISSUANCE TO ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT DOES COST MONEY EVERY TIME WE ISSUE IT.
BUT ANYWAYS, THERE'S, WE, WE WILL PROBABLY GET TO A PRETTY HIGH AMOUNT IN THREE YEARS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIRST ISSUANCE LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK A WORKSHOP, WE HAVE A CART AND A HORSE SITUATION GOING IN CIRCLES.
ALWAYS GOVERNMENT WHEN IT'S FUNCTIONING PROPERLY IS ALWAYS A CART AND HORSE SITUATION.
BUT, BUT ANYWAYS, I I, I, I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT 60 MILLION DOES AS, AS OPPOSED TO 35, I THINK THAT IT'S JUSTIFIABLE.
IF WE HAD THAT, THAT MANY PROJECTS, IT'S JUST THAT OUR, OUR CONSULTING TEAM IS TELLING US WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARDER TIME SPENDING MONEY THAN WE THINK.
I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER STACY OUTLINED IT REAL WELL WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO ISSUE $60 MILLION IN BONDS TOO RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SPEND IT THAT QUICKLY.
WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO DO SUBSEQUENT ISSUANCES.
IN FACT, IN THE PAST, THE COUNTY HAS DONE EVEN TWO ISSUANCES IN A SINGLE YEAR.
NOT SURE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE'VE DONE IT.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON HOW FAST WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY.
WE NEED ADVICE FROM OUR CONSULTANTS ON THAT.
I THINK AS, AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, THE, UH, THE PRIORITIES ARE FAIRLY WELL OUTLINED WITHIN THE PRECINCTS.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT I LIKE TO SPEND 60 ABSOLUTELY.
CAN WE SPEND IT FAST ENOUGH? I DON'T KNOW.
WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT INTEREST RATES ARE DOING.
UH, IF THEY COME DOWN EVEN MORE, WE WILL BE HAPPY.
UM, SO WE CAN, SO AGAIN, ISSUE WHAT WE CAN SPEND.
UM, COMMISSIONER STACY SAID SOMETHING.
UH, IS THERE A THREE YEAR LIMITATION FROM THE TIME WE ISSUE THE FIRST BONDS UNTIL WE ISSUE THE FINAL BONDS? NO, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A, A REASONABLE EXPECTATION TO EXPEND THE FUNDS WITHIN A THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD WHEN YOU GO TO ISSUE.
BUT WE CAN ISSUE LATER THAN THAT.
AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT YOUR ELECTION AUTHORIZATION, UM, YOU, YOU, IT'S, IT WAS A WHILE AGO.
AND SO, UM, YOU DO RUN A LITTLE BIT OF A RISK IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, TYPICALLY 10 YEARS IS WHERE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE LOOKS AT AUTHORIZATION OF KIND OF GETTING ON THAT STALE SIDE.
NOW WE HAVE ISSUERS ALL OVER THAT ARE STILL ISSUING OUT OF MUCH LONGER AUTHORIZATION.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S A RISK IMMEDIATELY FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED TO SPEND DOWN, BUT YOU DO RUN THE RISK OF GETTING TOO FAR
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BEYOND THE ELECTION AUTHORIZATION WHERE I APPRECIATE THAT.IF, IF WE HAVE HAVEN'T ISSUED ALL THESE BONDS, UH, BY 10 YEARS, THEN WE FAILED.
UM, SO, UH, AND, AND ONE, UH, COMMENT A RESPONSE OR A COMMENT YOU MADE EARLIER, UH, OR A QUESTION, JUDGE NEW, UM, AS WAS STATED EARLIER, THIS IS NOT, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THIS RESOLUTION TODAY, BUT, UH, WHEN DISCUSSING IT WITH COMMISSIONER STACY, UM, HE AGREED WITH MY OPINION THAT WE NEED TO START THE PROCESS.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN A GREAT LIST FROM, UH, THE HILLTOP TEAM SAYING, HERE'S ALL THE DATES, BUT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY PASS SOMETHING THAT SAYS, LET'S GET GOING, Y'ALL, THEN THOSE DATES TEND TO SLIP.
SO THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL PASS IT AND GIVE EVERYONE ON OUR TEAM AND ON THE HILLTOP TEAM INSTRUCTIONS TO SAY, LET'S GET GOING.
UM, REAL QUICKLY, FELICIA, CAN YOU, I DON'T HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN MY PACKET.
CAN YOU PRINT IT FOR ME? NEVERMIND.
COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE TOOK CARE OF IT.
UM, I'M GOING TO DITTO A LOT OF WHAT EACH OF YOU HAVE SAID.
I'D LOVE TO, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, TO PASS THE 60 MILLION.
UM, I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HEARD DURING OUR, OUR DIFFERENT, UM, CONSORTIUM MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL, A LOT OF THE, WHAT, I GUESS THE STATUS OF WHERE, WHERE, WHEN, AND IF THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, NOT IF, BUT WHEN THEY WILL BE COMPLETED.
I, I THINK, UM, A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO DETERMINE, UM, THE POSITION THIS COURT TAKES WITH THE OUTER LOOP.
AND IT JUST MEANS THAT IT MAY TAKE IT LONGER FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS TO GET MOVED UP TO, TO THE EXPECTATION OF THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE TALKED TO US.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, I, I WAS, I HAD ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN INTEREST RATES WHEN YOU SAID THAT WHILE AGO, BECAUSE THAT DOES HAVE SOMETHING, SOME BEARING THAT WE WANNA BE GOOD STEWARDS AS WELL.
SO, UM, I WOULD, I I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE I HAD ALREADY SAID, I THINK AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, I WAS THINKING 50 TO 55 THOU, 50 TO 55 MILLION.
SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I WOULD LOVE IT IF IT WENT TO 60, BUT YES, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.
I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND $60 MILLION IF THOSE PROJECTS WE'RE READY TO LET AND WE WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE NUMBER YET.
I THINK WE'RE JUST KIND OF PULLING STRAWS RIGHT NOW TO, TO GUESS.
AND I DON'T THINK GUESSING IS GREAT.
I, I, I WOULD PREFER THAT, YEAH, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE, AND I KNOW THIS IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT, BUT WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE OUTER LOOP ISSUE BECAUSE THAT PARTNERSHIP IS ON THE LINE MM-HMM
AND WE DON'T WANT TO ISSUE DEBT WITH THAT HANGING OVER US AND THOSE PROJECTS BEING POTENTIALLY TAKEN AWAY.
I KNOW THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME SUBTLE ASSURANCES THAT THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
SO I WANT THE OUTER LOOP SOLVED.
UM, BEFORE WE ISSUE DEBT, I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY UNTIL I'M SURE IT'S GONNA BE SPENT PROPERLY.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA, AND THAT TDOT IS GONNA HOLD UP THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A, A WORKSHOP IS FORTHCOMING.
UH, AND, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE RESOLUTION.
I THINK IT'S WISE TO GET, GET THAT GOING, GIVE SOME DIRECTION, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE ARE GONNA ISSUE DEBT, UH, AND, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
I THINK IT'S WISE TO, UH, AT LEAST GO TALK TO THE ELEPHANT ON THE HILL AND, AND, OR NO LYING ON THE HILL.
SORRY, I'M MIXING MY ANALOGIES HERE.
WE, WEDNESDAY NIGHT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
SO AGAIN, SOME, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SOMETIMES LIGHTNING STRIKES AND EVERYTHING LINES UP.
SO WE, WE COULD HAVE A RESOLUTION, WE COULD KNOW OUR DIRECTION, OR AT LEAST WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS TOMORROW.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, THE TIMELINE HILLTOP'S GIVEN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS DONE TODAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO DECIDE THE MONEY TODAY.
WE NEED THAT BY DECEMBER 15TH, RIGHT? YEP.
SO I, I THINK A WORKSHOP IS, IS THE WAY TO GO.
'CAUSE WE'RE REALLY DOWN TO WHAT PROJECTS IS WHAT'S GONNA DRIVE THE NUMBER, WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE DOING? I MEAN, ALL, ALL OF US WANT TO DO PROJECTS, BUT, UH, I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A MONTH AGO, UH, AND, AND KIND OF GOT A, A DEER AND A HEADLIGHT LOOKS.
WHEN I ASK ONE OF THE LOCAL ELECTEDS, DO YOU WANT TO ISSUE BONDS OR DO YOU WANNA BUILD ROADS?
THAT IS SOME, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS.
BUT IF YOU JUST WANT TO ISSUE BONDS, WE CAN ISSUE BONDS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA BUILD ROADS.
SO, SO COMMISSIONER STACEY, AND, AND LTY, MY MY QUESTION TO YOU IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, THE POSSIBLE ACTION OF GIVING DIRECTION AND APPROVAL, YOU DIDN'T REALLY WORK REAL SPECIFIC.
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I MEAN, I, I MEAN, COULD WE GIVE ACTION AND APPROVAL OF AT LEAST THE, THE PRELIMINARY SCHEDULE THAT, UM, ABSOLUTELY.WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
THAT'S WHY, AND AS MARTY SAID, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER BY DECEMBER, BY THE TIME THEY START HAVING THEIR CALLS.
UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP.
I'M MAYBE NOT QUITE SO SANGUINE THAT THE OUTER LOOP WILL BE SOLVED BY THEN, BUT HEY, MAYBE IT WILL.
SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARTY'S SHOE WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I, IN FACT, I AM EXCITED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH WILL GIVE DIRECTION AND APPROVAL TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ISSUING ROAD BONDS FROM THE TRIP 21 BOND PROGRAM.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LTI SECOND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, FEEL, REGISTER YOUR VOTES THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONERS.
WE WILL BE BACK, UH, IN 10 MINUTES.
I'M GONNA RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING.
[15. Discuss/Act regarding updating the Master Thoroughfare Plan for Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSS AND ACT ON REGARDING UPDATING THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO, AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION AT THE TIME BY FREEZE NICHOLS.
FREEZE NICHOLS DID OUR LAST, UH, MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, AND THEY'VE GONE BACK AND DONE A PROPOSAL.
WE'VE GIVEN 'EM COMMENTS, THEY'VE DONE A REVISED PROPOSAL, AND WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO EITHER FOCUS ON TAKING ACTION OR FIGURE OUT, UH, WHAT ELSE WE'RE GONNA DO, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE REVISE OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THAT WE UPDATE IT.
IT'S WAY BEYOND, IT'S BEYOND BEHIND IN WHAT WE'RE FACING, THE ISSUES WE'RE FACING, THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE FACING.
UH, IT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT AN UPDATED, UH, PLAN HERE.
I'VE ASKED, UH, EDDIE HAAS, IF HE WOULD, THAT'S HOW I PRONOUNCE, RIGHT? HAAS? THAT'S RIGHT.
I GOT, DIDN'T MAKE, GOT THAT RIGHT
UM, I'VE ASKED EDDIE HAASS AND CONNOR IF THEY WOULD COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM, AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, THE THE POINT OF THIS IS WE MAY NOT HAVE EVERYTHING FINALIZED, BUT WE NEED TO START MAKING DECISIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU, AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR, UH, THE, UM, EFFORT THAT WE, UM, PROVIDED IN THE LAST UPDATE.
I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THE 2050 FORECAST FOR ROCKWALL.
SO IN THE 2019 STUDY, THE 2035 PROJECTION WAS ABOUT 161,000, I'M SORRY, 137,000.
NOW, OF THE 2050 DEMOGRAPHICS, 2035 IS 169.
I, I WAS STUNNED WHEN I SAW THAT.
SO YES, THAT, THAT WAVE IS DEFINITELY HITTING.
UH, YES, WE AGREE IT'S TIME FOR THAT.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES ONGOING.
THE OUTER LOOP DISCUSSION, HOPEFULLY THAT GETS TO RESOLVE FAIRLY QUICKLY, SO WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PLANNING.
THE, THE PLANNING WOULD ALIGN AND INCORPORATE KEY GOALS THAT WERE DEFINED IN YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN.
GOALS, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE, ALIGNING WITH, UH, WITH, UH, INTEGRATED AND PRIORITIZED TOOLS FOR IDENTIFYING PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION, ET CETERA.
UH, FOR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, AND IN, IN THE, IN OUR REVISION, IN OUR FIRST DRAFT, WE PREPARED ONE FULL SCOPE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND THEN IT ALSO INCORPORATED THE DISCUSSION ON APPORTIONMENT.
AND WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, THE, THE THINKING WAS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THE APPORTIONMENT TO DERAIL THE, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND SO WE BROKE IT UP INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING TWO PHASES.
UH, AS PART OF THE SCOPE, THERE'S A COPY THAT WE'VE HANDED OUT, UH, IN THERE.
AND SO PHASE ONE IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE.
PHASE TWO IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CALLING IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS.
AND SO I'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH THOSE BRIEFLY, UM, FOR, UH, FOR YOU ALL.
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WORK AREAS IN PHASE ONE, KIND OF THE DATA COLLECTION PLAN INPUT, THE ACTUAL PLANNING ITSELF, THE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN MORE OF OUR INTERNAL COORDINATION TO GET THE DOCUMENT ALL UP IN THROUGH THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.WITH REGARDS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS WE HAD, WE HAD REALLY HAD TWO WORK AREAS DEFINING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, SOME GUIDELINES FOR HOW YOU RECEIVE STANDARDIZED, UM, EVALUATIONS OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, AND THEN THE, THE BIGGIE, THE APPORTIONMENT METHODOLOGY IN THE PROGRAM THERE.
AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, SO I'LL WALK THROUGH PHASE ONE, UH, EACH KIND OF MAJOR AREA AND SOME OF THE, THE KEY ASPECTS OF, UM, SUBTASK WITHIN EACH WORK AREA.
SO IN PHASE ONE, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE, UH, UNDER PLAN, INPUT AND DATA COLLECTION.
THAT IS AS, AS THE OUTLINE, UH, THE HEADLINE SAYS.
AND THAT IS THE PROJECT INITIATION.
IT'S THE COLLECTION OF, OF DATA, BOTH AGENCY DATA, HISTORIC DATA FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY ADJACENT COUNTIES, MUNICIPAL DATA, SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL TALKING THE SAME THING, AND WE'RE CONNECTING, UH, THE DOTS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THE SECOND THING IS ALIGNING THE, THE GOALS AND VISION.
UH, THE VISION, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED AS PART OF 2019, MAKING SURE THOSE ALIGN WITH YOUR, UH, STRATEGIC, UH, PLAN.
UH, THE THIRD AREA IS STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.
AND THIS IS REALLY THE BIGGIE HERE.
UH, AND WITHIN STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, THERE WERE A VARIETY OF THINGS.
UH, RECEIVING INPUT FROM COUNTY LEADERSHIP, RECEIVING INPUT FROM, FROM AGENCIES, RECEIVING INPUT FROM MUNICIPALITIES AS PART OF A STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN RECEIVING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, SO IT, IT WAS NOT A, IT'S A CO COMBINATION OF, UH, UH, INTERVIEWS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TOWN HALLS.
UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ELEMENT IS THE, UM, UH, A, UM, AN OPINION, UM, AN OPINION SURVEY, UH, A SOCIAL PINPOINT USING SOCIAL PINPOINT TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THOSE IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD.
UH, THE KEY THERE IS UNDER THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, THE TOWN HALLS.
SO IN OUR VERY FIRST DISCUSSION, UH, WE HAD SCOPED TWO TOWN HALLS.
AND THAT IN OUR DISCUSSION, THE IDEA FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE OUTREACH, WE WANTED TO MAYBE REACH OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO EACH, EACH TOWN HALL ONE WAS ALIGNED WITH INITIAL INPUT, THE OTHER ALIGNED AT DRAFT PLAN WITHIN EACH TOWN HALL, WE DECIDED, OKAY, LET'S ADD ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS.
SO ONE TOWN HALL TURNED INTO THREE FOR EACH ROUND.
UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S COST, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE THE, THE AIM WAS TO TRY TO GET MORE BROAD, MAKING SURE WE, WE CAPTURE, UH, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, THOSE THAT DON'T GO ONLINE TO PROVIDE INPUT THROUGH THE, UH, THE ONLINE ENGAGEMENT TOOL.
SO WE CAN RECEIVE THAT AND THEN INCORPORATE ALL THAT INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING EXISTING CONDITIONS.
NOT ONLY INPUT FROM THE VARIOUS LEVELS, INPUT FROM, UH, BASE CONDITIONS, CONGESTIONS SAFETY, MOBILITY, BUT ALSO KNOWN DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, WHICH WOULD FUEL TASK B, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL THOROUGHFARE PLANNING, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE 20, THE MODELING ASPECT.
SO YOU MIGHT RECALL THE SLIDE, AND I HAVE IT LATER ON, BUT WE, WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE IF WE WANTED TO DO UPDATE LIGHT OR UPDATE FULL, AND THE FULL WOULD BE THE FULL REGIONAL MODEL, TAILORED DEMOGRAPHICS, TAILORED NETWORKS, INCORPORATING OUTER LOOP, INCORPORATING ALL THE THINGS AS PART OF CURRENT PLANNING.
SO WE WENT, WE DECIDED TO GO FOR THE, THE FULL, UH, THE FULL PLATE THERE.
AND SO THIS INCORPORATES DEMOGRAPHIC DATA UPDATE.
IT INCORPORATES, UM, AT THREE LEVELS BASE YEAR, A 10 YEAR AND A 20 YEAR.
SO A 2035, I THINK COG HAS IT AT 2036.
AND THEN IF 2050 IS AVAILABLE, IT'LL BE FOR 2050.
BUT IT'S AIMED AT TAILORING THE DEMOGRAPHICS, GETTING ALL OF THE KNOWN DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, APPROVED ACTIVITY, AND ANTICIPATED ACTIVITY WITHIN THE COUNTY, ALIGNING THAT WITHIN THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, UPDATING NETWORKS, MAKING THE RUNS.
AND SO THE MODEL RUNS, WE'RE INCLUDING THREE RUNS.
ONE, A BASE CONDITION OR CURRENT, A 2035, AND A 2045 OR 2050 IF THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO WHY DO WE WANNA RUN THE BASE CONDITION? WELL, IT'S KIND OF THE SCENARIO OF IF WE DO NOTHING EXISTING, ONLY WITH EXISTING PLUS COMMITTED PROJECTS, AND WE RUN TENURE YEAR DEMOGRAPHICS ON THAT.
SO WE SEE WHAT, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.
SO WE'VE GOTTA RUN THAT BASE YEAR.
WE WANNA RUN A 10 YEAR, SO WE CAN DEFINE AS PART OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING.
SHORT TERM, MIDTERM PROJECTS, ZERO TO FIVE YEAR PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT.
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THAT ARE IMPORTANT AS MIDTERM, AND THEN LONG TERM, WHICH ARE GREATER THAN 10 YEARS.SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE COST COMES IN AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT.
THAT TOOL, TAILORING THAT TOOL, AND THEN USE, INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE REGIONAL MODEL.
SO AS THE NEXT MTP COMES OUT, THE NEXT REGIONAL MTP, IF THERE'S OTHER EXISTING COMMITTED PROJECTS IN THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF US, THOSE ARE IN THERE.
SO WE CAN HAVE, WE'RE TALKING APPLES TO APPLES.
SO WE HAVE THE TRAVEL DEMAND, UH, MODEL.
WE HAVE THEN OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE MODEL AND THE VARIOUS SCENARIOS.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD WANT TO CONTEMPLATE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES, UH, AND HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE FROM YOUR CURRENT PLAN TO THE UPDATE.
SO INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE MODELING PROCESS, THEN GOING THROUGH DEVELOPING THE PLAN, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION FOR BOTH RURAL AND URBAN STANDARDS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF UPDATES, THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTATION.
AND THEN THAT ROUND TWO TOWN HALL WHERE WE GO OUT AND ROLL OUT THE DRAFT PLAN FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
AT THE SAME TIME, RECEIVING INPUT FROM ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, AND THAT IS A STEERING COMMITTEE.
USING THE CONSORTIUM THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, WE HAD IDENTIFIED UP TO THREE MEETINGS WITH THEM, INITIAL DRAFT PLAN, UM, AND THEN I GUESS DRAFT FINAL.
BUT ALONG WITH THE CIP, UH, BEFORE WE ROLL OUT INTO THE, UH, THE, THE SECOND ROUND OF TOWN HALL.
SO WE WOULD USE THE CO CONSORTIUM AS PART OF THE PLAN PROCESS.
AND THEN, UH, IN I, IN AREA C, THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE CIP DEVELOPMENT, THE FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR SUPPORTING CIP AMENDMENTS INTO YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UH, PERFORMING OR AT LEAST PROVIDING THE TAKINGS IMPACT ANALYSIS TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR HIS REVIEW.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU LIKE, A GIS DASHBOARD THAT BRINGS IN ALL OF THE NEW UPDATES THAT CAN BE THEN ROLLED OUT FOR, FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SELECT A LINK, WHAT IT IS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHEN IT'S, WHERE IS ITS PRIORITY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UH, AND THEN, UM, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ITSELF.
NOW, HERE'S WHERE THE SECOND LEVEL OF, UM, BIG AD CAME.
AND THAT WAS TEAM ATTENDANCE TO A BANK OF MEETINGS.
WE INCLUDED A BANK OF MEETINGS.
WE THAT, UH, WE WERE, WE GROUPED INTO A BANK OF 15 THAT COULD BE USED IN, IN ANY WAY DESIRED BY THE PROJECT MANAGER.
SO THE IDEA WAS, THE INITIAL IDEA WAS WE'RE AN IN ATTENDANCE AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT HEARINGS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION THAT THEN IF THERE'S AN IMPLICATION WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO OPINE AT THAT TIME, OR IF WE WANTED TO USE THOSE FOR OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL INPUT OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S A BANK IN THERE THAT, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THAT ORIGINAL SCOPE.
THEN WE HAVE THE BRIEFING AND THEN RUNNING CONCURRENTLY THROUGH ALL THIS AS OUR, OBVIOUSLY OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION WITH, UH, WITH ERICA AND TEAM OUR, UM, OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH ERICA TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE PROGRESSING, OUR MONTHLY REPORTING.
SO YOU ALL ARE ADVISED ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UH, SO YOU'RE IN TUNE WITH, UH, HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND WHERE WE ARE.
AND THEN THE BIGGEST ONE IS OUR QAQC SPECIFICALLY ON MODELING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DATA THAT WE, UM, PREPARE, THAT WE SUBMIT TO NCT COG FOR RUNNING IS, IS TESTED AND VETTED SO THAT THAT WAY CO CAN RECEIVE IT, BRING IT IN, UH, MAKE IT SOUND EASY, JUST BRING IT IN, CUT IT IN, AND RUN IT.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAT THAN THAT.
BUT, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS IS SEAMLESS.
AND SO, AS PART OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I COUNTED THEM UP, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE BANK OF 15.
UH, WE HAD, UH, ABOUT 30, 33 MEETINGS, UH, NO, I'M SORRY, INCLUDING THE BANK OF 15.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S GETTING TO BE PRETTY ROBUST.
BUT THEN AGAIN, WE DID ADD, UM, ADDITIONAL TOWN HALLS.
WE ADDED FOUR TOWN HALLS IN THE TWO ROUNDS.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, WE INCLUDED TWO MEETINGS WITH NCT COG, AN ADDITIONAL KICKOFF ON THE MODELING.
AND THEN ANY KIND OF REFINEMENT MEETING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT MODEL RUNS, UH, PERFECTLY.
UH, IN PHASE TWO, THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS.
SO OUR DISCUSSION AS WE BROKE THE, THE, THE PLAN UPDATE INTO TWO WAS, ALL RIGHT, WE, WE DEFINITELY WE'RE NEEDING TO HIT THIS APPORTIONMENT, UM, PROCESS NUMBER ONE.
BUT THEN ALSO, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WE, THE COUNTY'S UNDERSTANDING TRAFFIC IMPLICATION FROM DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CURRENT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ALL REQUIRE A TIA FOR EVERY SUBMITTAL, BUT WE WOULD, THIS, THIS TASK WOULD ESTABLISH THE APPROPRIATE GUIDELINES ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TIAA CHECKLIST.
THAT'S WHEN THAT, WHEN COUNTY RECEIVES THE TIA, THEY CAN SIGN OFF.
OKAY? ALL THESE ELEMENTS, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO AN OUTLINE.
THIS IS WHAT YOU DEVELOPER HAS
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TO PROVIDE TO, FOR US TO CONSIDER IT.WE HAVE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE DEFINED.
UM, DO WE WANNA MAKE A, UM, A SMALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN A CULDESAC? DO WE WANNA MAKE THEM DO A FULL TIA? PROBABLY NOT.
WE WOULD WANT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO WE WANNA IDENTIFY LEVELS, SOME KIND OF STATEMENT, THE FULL TIA, AND THEN MAYBE SOMETHING EVEN BIGGER REGIONAL FOR SOMETHING GRAND.
AND THAT MAY HAVE A BIGGER EFFECT, NOT ONLY TO THE COUNTY, BUT SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES THERE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WE COME OUT OF THE WHOLE PLANNING PROCESS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE TIA GETS INCORPORATED INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WE HAVE THAT IN THERE, AND THAT, THAT GETS ADDRESSED.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE INCLUDED A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE FIGURED IF IT'S GOING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND AMENDMENT THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED.
OKAY? SO THE ROAD APPORTIONMENT.
SO FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, THIS TOOL IS REALLY AIMED AT DETERMINING IS A DEVELOPER ACTION, IS IT APPROPRIATE? AND JUST MEETING PROPORTIONALITY.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO DO TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, AND I SEE THAT THIS HAS A BUST IN THE, THE TASKS ARE NOT ALIGNED HERE.
UH, IN THE HANDOUT, YOU'LL SEE THE APPROPRIATE TASKS.
THE FIRST TASK THERE, AND IT'S ALSO IN THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE HANDED OUT.
THE FIRST TASK IS VETTING RIGHT OUTTA THE CHUTE.
WE WANNA MEET WITH YOUR, YOUR COUNTY, YOUR LEGAL TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ESTABLISH A, AN APPORTIONMENT PROGRAM, THAT THERE'S LEGAL BASIS AND JUSTIFICATIONS.
SO IT, WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF PASS MUSTER THERE.
IF THE COUNTY, IF THE LEGAL TEAM SAYS, NOPE, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK.
OKAY? NOW WHAT, WHAT APPORTIONMENT DEALT WITH WAS NOT ONLY ONE, WELL, HOW DO WE MEASURE THIS IMPACT, UM, FROM DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT IS THEIR IMPACT ON THE BIGGER SYSTEM? SO WE HAD A FRAMEWORK ESTABLISHED AS PART OF THAT, ESTABLISHING WHAT THE SYSTEM IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE BY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
SO THAT WE, WE, THE COUNTY HAS A TOOL TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, APPLICANT, UH, A IS GONNA, IS GONNA DONATE, UH, ONE LANE OF ROAD, UH, FOR THEIR 40 OR 50 UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE CAN ASSESS QUICKLY, WILL THAT, UH, CAPACITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO THE DEMAND THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE SYSTEM, IMPACT NUMBER ONE OR TWO, IF IT'S A COST SITUATION OR MAYBE THEY'RE ONLY DONATING RIGHT OF WAY, HERE'S THE COST OF WHAT THEY'RE DONATING.
WE CAN CALCULATE WHAT'S THE COST OF IMPACT.
SO THERE'S ALL THOSE TECHNICAL TOOLS TO DEFINE HOW DOES THAT APPORTIONMENT WORK? HOW, HOW DO WE JUSTIFY THE IMPACT? AND THEN, THEN WE GOTTA PUT A FRAMEWORK, OKAY, DEVELOPMENT, RECEIVE APPLICATION, WHAT DOES THE COUNTY NEED TO DO? WE NEED TO ETE, WE NEED TO DO OUR APPORTIONMENT EVALUATION.
SO WE'VE GOTTA ESTABLISH SOME PROCESSES THERE, GET THOSE INTO THE, INTO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T PASS THE VETTING.
OKAY? AND SO, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE APPORTIONMENT.
THE CIP THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE IN THE APPORTIONMENT WOULD BE YOUR UPDATED THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S LEFT TO BE BUILT THAT GOES INTO THE CALCULATION OF HOW MUCH CAPACITY GETS PROVIDED THE COST TO PROVIDE SERVICE SO THAT WE CAN MEASURE IMPACT FROM DEVELOPMENT.
THE QUESTION BECAME, WELL, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT? WELL, WE'D HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE'RE, ALMOST, TILL WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM OUR, OUR, OUR PLAN UPDATE, UH, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS IN BEFORE WE CAN GET THAT CALCULATION DONE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, CAN WE DO SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM? THE ANSWER WAS, WHY DON'T WE USE OUR CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN? WE GET OUR WHOLE METHODOLOGY SQUARED AWAY.
WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THOSE ELEMENTS.
WE USE THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN, DO THE CALCULATIONS, AND THEN WHEN WE FINISH WITH THE DATABASE, WE IN IMPORT THE DATABASE INTO THAT, THE APPORTIONMENT.
SO WE HAVE THE UPDATED NUMBERS ONCE THAT COMES IN LINE.
SO TIMING WISE, THAT'S PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AFTER.
IF WE WERE TO TRY TO GET, UH, IF WE WERE TO DO THE INITIAL, UH, APPORTIONMENT, BUT THEN, UH, THEN WITH THE UPDATE, THE FORMAL APPROVALS, THEN WE WANNA LOAD THAT INTO THE, INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING ITEM C, THAT INTERIM, UH, APPORTIONMENT PROGRAMS, JUST STRICTLY THE CIP OF THE, OF THE, UM, CURRENT PLAN.
UM, SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED A FEE.
UM, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS SOME STICKER SHOCK.
AND SO, UH, COMMISSIONER LICHTY ASKED THAT WE PROVIDE SOME BACKUP TO WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT, WHERE THOSE COSTS WERE.
AND SO I'VE GIVEN YOU A HANDOUT THAT THAT SHOWS THE, THE MORE DETAILED VERSION.
THIS ROLLS IT UP BY MAJOR TASK PHASE ONE.
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PHASE TWO, WE CAME IN AT ABOUT 141 K.SO THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, IF WE NEED TO DO SOME COST CUTTING, WHAT CAN WE, WHAT CAN WE CUT? BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST, YOU TOLD, YOU TOLD US THAT THE PLAN WAS GONNA COST BETWEEN FOUR HUNDRED AND FOUR SEVENTY FIVE.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, IN THE HANDOUT SCENARIO ONE, THAT FIRST COLUMN THERE, IF WE REMOVE THOSE FOUR ADDITIONAL TOWN HALL MEETINGS, THE BANK OF 15, THAT GETS US RIGHT AT 4 49.
SO WE WERE IN WHERE WE, WHERE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THE, THE FOLLOW ON QUESTION IS, WHERE ELSE CAN WE DO SOME COST CUTTING MEASURES? WELL, IF WE, LET'S JUST SAY WE WAIT, WE DON'T, WE CAN VET THE PROCESS WITH THE LEGAL TEAM RATHER THAN USING THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE JUST WAIT SIX MONTHS, WE GET THAT, THAT COMPLETED, THEN THERE WOULD BE A SAVINGS THERE.
SO, UH, THE PHASE ONE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WOULD DROP FROM 4 98 TO 4 49.
THE, UH, APPORTIONMENT WOULD DROP FROM 1 41 TO ONE 15.
OKAY, SO A TOTAL OF ABOUT 5 65, UH, SAVING, UH, 80 K, MORE OR LESS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO WE RAN A SECOND SCENARIO OF, ALL RIGHT, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO COST CUTTING WISE THAT MAYBE IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY OR THAT WE COULD DO SOME SHAVING? SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, UH, THE GIS DASHBOARD, YOU ALL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD GIS TEAM ALREADY.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO BUY AN, ANOTHER ADOBE, I'M SORRY, ANOTHER RRC, GIS ONLINE LICENSE THAT WE WOULD THEN TURN OVER TO STAFF TO BE ABLE TO RUN IT.
'CAUSE YOUR CURRENT THREE LICENSES ARE USED, SO WE'D HAVE TO BUY ONE, IT'S ONLY 700 BUCKS.
BUT WITH THE DASHBOARD, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE COULD PROBABLY DIRECT THE COUNTY STAFF TO DO OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED ON, ON THE DASHBOARD, OR AT LEAST THE INFORMA GIVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD PREPARE.
SO WE WOULD SAVE ABOUT 13 K THERE.
WE THOUGHT ALSO IN COST CUTTING, UM, SOME OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE, UH, PROGRAM, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT, WE HAD 12 MEETINGS, UH, ALIGNED WITH, UH, THE, WITH ERICA.
SO THAT MONTH TO MONTH, SHE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE JUST PEELED THAT BACK TO ABOUT SIX, SIX MEETINGS, MEETING EVERY TWO MONTH OR AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR TOWN HALLS, JUST SO THAT SHE'S IN THE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE CAN RELAY THAT BACK TO YOU ALL, UM, UH, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN IF WE'RE GONNA BE CUTTING BACK THOSE MEETINGS, WE MIGHT AS WELL CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE OTHER REPORTING THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE.
SO WE FOUND SOME AREAS TO CLIP ANOTHER ABOUT 10 K THERE.
SO PHASE ONE WOULD DROP FROM 4 98 TO ABOUT 4 26.
UH, PHASE TWO, IF WE ONLY CLIP THAT INTERIM WOULD, WAS, WOULD REMAIN AT, AT ABOUT ONE 15.
SO THE TOTAL THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 5 42.
SO FROM THE ORIGINAL 6 39 TO THE 5 42, THAT'S WHERE, UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THERE.
IF, IF PRICE IS AN ISSUE THERE WITH REGARDS TO SCHEDULE, PRICE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
AND, AND WE HAVE DONE, TRUST ME, WE HAVE SHARPENED THE PENCIL, UH, QUITE A BIT INTERNALLY TO TRY TO, TO LEVERAGE SYNERGIES.
UH, PARTICULARLY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT, AND MAYBE I'M REMEMBERING INCORRECTLY.
I THOUGHT I REMEMBER THE, THE RANGE WE WERE GIVEN, UH, WAS, UH, THE FIRST NUMBER, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IT STARTED WITH THE TWO, LIKE TWO 50 OR 275,000 UP TO 400.
WHAT, WHATEVER THOUSAND THERE WAS.
AND I, I HAD THE SLIDE, I SWEAR I DID.
UM, THE, THE, THE UPDATE, WHAT WE CALL UPDATE LIGHT WAS RATHER THAN USING, DEVELOPING AN UPDATED MODEL, USING THE COG MODEL, AND THEN, UH, NOT AS ROBUST ENGAGE, UM, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THAT WAS ANYWHERE FROM 200 TO TWO 50.
AND THEN DOING THE FULL MODEL WAS THE 400 TO 4 75.
OKAY, I CAN PULL UP THAT SLIDE.
I HAVE IT IN THE PRESENTATION.
I MUST HAVE HIT IT BY ACCIDENT.
AND NO, AND, AND I, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND I, I THOUGHT, UH, EDDIE EXPLAINED IT PRETTY WELL.
BUT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS AND THE FACT THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT NUMBERS FOR NINE YEARS NOW, EIGHT, NINE YEARS NOW, UM, THEY RECOMMEND IT'S BEST TO GO WITH THE, AS HE PUTS IT, THE MORE ROBUST PROGRAM.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY IF THE COURT CHOSE TO THAT THE LOWER COST OPTION IS STILL AN OPTION.
SO THE, FROM A SCHEDULING PERSPECTIVE, THIS, UH, I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO.
THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES THE WHOLE, UH, PROGRAM.
TECHNICAL WORK WOULD BE DONE IN ABOUT 14 MONTHS.
THEN WITH NOTICING IN OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE'D HAVE THE FINAL TWO MONTHS FOR, UM, THE ROLLOUT, UH, AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
SO IN PHASE ONE, WE, YOU CAN SEE THE TASK A THROUGH D HOW THEY ARE SEQUENTIALLY LOADED.
BELOW THE GREEN LINE IS WHERE WE HAD FORECASTED
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OUR TOWN HALL MEETINGS, OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT BRIEFINGS WITH THE RED DOTS, BUT HOW WE MIGHT ROLL OUT ALSO, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.AND SO WITH THE, WITH THE ENGAGEMENT, THE, THE UPFRONT DATA COLLECTION, WE SEE THE WHOLE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
IF WE WERE TO START HERE IN OCTOBER, REALLY KIND OF GOING THROUGH, UH, JANUARY-ISH FEBRUARY, AND THEN BUTTONING THAT UP AT THE EARLY PART OF MARCH, SO THAT WE ARE, WE'RE INTO HEAVY PLANNING CONCURRENTLY.
WE'RE ALREADY WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND, GETTING ALL THE MODEL INFORMATION WITH COG, HAVING THAT KICKOFF MEETING, MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL THE FILES, STARTING THAT DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAS REALLY PAID OFF FOR JOHNSON COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY.
AND THAT'S WHERE THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 200,000 PEOPLE DOWN IN JOHNSON COUNTY.
IT WAS BIG BECAUSE OF WHAT'S APPROVED, WHAT'S ANTICIPATED, MAYBE, AND OR VETTED OR, UH, YEAH.
UH, THAT'S, UH, YEAH, VETTED AS PART OF APPROVALS PROCESS.
WE SAW A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE.
WE THINK THAT, WE THINK THAT WOULD CRITICALLY INFORM YOUR UPDATE TO DO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS.
SO WE'D HAVE THAT STUFF GOING IN THE BACKGROUND, PREPARING THE MODEL, SO THAT EARLY SPRING, NEXT YEAR INTO SUMMER, WE'RE DOING THE THOROUGHFARE, THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING.
WE'RE GETTING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UP, THE MAP UPDATED WITH WHAT KIND OF KEY SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED ALL THE CITY PLANS, ET CETERA.
BUT REMEMBER, OUR JOB IS THE COUNTY SIDE, NOT THE CITY SIDE.
WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING THE CITIES ALONE.
THEY DO ENOUGH WORK TO GET THEIR PLANS THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
WE'RE JUST TAKING THEIR PLANS, MAKING SURE WE'RE CONNECTING, UH, AS WE DO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE.
SO THAT'S IN EARLY SUMMER INTO LATE SUMMER.
OUR DOCUMENTATION'S ALREADY KICKED OFF BY THEN.
OUR CIP PROGRAMMING HAS ALREADY BEEN KICKED OFF ON WHAT WE'RE FEELING ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL PROJECTS FROM A SHORT AND MIDTERM PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN OUR DOCUMENTATION IS REALLY RUNNING THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
BUT WE'RE NOW PULLING THE DOCUMENT IN EARNEST TOGETHER, UH, IN, UH, LATE SUMMER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DRAFT ROLLOUT FOR STEERING COMMITTEE, THE PLAN MAP, AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, THAT'S KIND OF PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, THE APPORTIONMENT.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW, KIND OF AT LEAST TALK ABOUT WHY IS THE, THAT BAR TO THE FAR RIGHT, WHY IS THAT HANGING OUT THERE? WELL, THAT'S THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO THE IDEA IS IF WE WERE TO START HERE IN OCTOBER, RIGHT OUTTA THE CHUTE, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THIS METHODOLOGY, UH, IN FRONT OF THE LEGAL TEAM AND DISCUSSING, THROWING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SEE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH GOOD DEFENSE FOR THIS PROGRAM.
THAT, THAT, UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER, HAVE A BIG MEETING IN NOVEMBER THROUGH EARLY, EARLY 26, MAKE A, GET A DECISION SO THAT, THAT ONCE THAT'S DECIDED, AND THIS IS IN SECTION B THERE, ONCE IT'S DECIDED WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL THE TECHNICAL CALCULATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE VERY BOTTOM ELEMENT C USING THE INTERIM WOULD COME INTO PLAY.
WE WOULD USE THE INTERIM PLAN, GET THAT THROUGH, GET THE PROCESSES PUT TOGETHER, GET THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S, COURT, PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THE UPDATED PLAN, SUPPLEMENT THAT INTO THE PROGRAM FOR THE UPDATED UNIT COSTING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, UH, IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO SOME COST SAVINGS, WE, WE SAVE ON THAT, UH, INTERIM PLAN AND JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE UPDATED PLAN.
IT'LL SAVE US, UM, 20 5K IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF TIME.
JUST SO THAT, AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE, THE VALUE OF THIS, THE APPORTIONMENT, RIGHT? THIS IS TO MAKE SURE OF WHAT, WHAT THE REQUEST IS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IMPACT IS AND THE COST OF IMPACT.
SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING ANY MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAN WHAT THEY ARE RIGHTFULLY IMPACTING THE NETWORK WITH.
SO IT'S SAVING YOU MONEY AND THAT YOU KNOW HOW MUCH VALUE THOSE IMPACTS ARE.
AND THAT ROLLS INTO IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF CIP OR AT LEAST THOSE FICTIONAL DOLLARS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SETS THE FRAMEWORK, UH, VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR HOW THIS WOULD BE DONE.
AND SO PROBABLY BE CHALLENGED, RIGHT? IT'LL BE CHALLENGED BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, IF THIS PASSES MUSTER WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR I'S ARE DOTTED AND T'S ARE CROSSED FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE PHASE TWO EFFORT.
WE WE'RE, IF WE, IF YOU ALL GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT, WE'RE STARTING ON THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UPDATE, WE'RE STARTING ON APPORTIONMENT RIGHT OUTTA THE CHUTE.
SO WE DON'T WANNA LOSE ANY TIME ON THAT, UH, FOR THE APPORTIONMENT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, GETTING THOSE TIE STANDARDS DONE, WE CAN GET THAT RIGHT OUTTA THE CHUTE, GET SOME THINGS GOING WITH WITH ERICA AND STAFF, JUST SO WE CAN GET THAT PROCESS DONE A LOT SOONER.
UH, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THE APPORTIONMENT.
UM, WE SEE TIA PUBLIC HEARING IN ABOUT FEBRUARY OR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I'M SORRY.
AND THEN WE SEE APPORTIONMENT IN MAY MORE OR LESS VETTING THE PROCESS, GETTING THAT CODIFIED.
UH, AND THEN WE'D COME BACK AND UPDATE IT IF WE DECIDE TO DO
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INTERIM NOW AND BRING IN THE UPDATED PLAN, UH, LATER.SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF, UM, OF, OF THE, THE PROCESS THERE.
BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAAS? I'LL, IT IS.
I DEFINITELY LIKED YOUR IDEA OF DRILLING DOWN A FEW OF THE MEETINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT.
I, I HAD ALREADY, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED AND TALKED ABOUT THE TOWN HALLS, I HAD SAID, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO TWO AND CALL IT NORTH AND SOUTH, OR, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ROCKWALL COULD EITHER CHOOSE TO BE IN THE NORTH SIDE OR DEPENDING ON IF YOU LIVE SOUTH OF 30, YOU COULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IF YOU CHOSE TO GO GO TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS FOR A TOWN HALL.
AND, AND CAN I JUMP IN HERE? SURE.
BECAUSE I WANNA HELP UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE AT ON THIS.
UM, THERE WERE ORIGINALLY, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT GUYS, CORRECT ME, THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, A KIND OF A THAT'S CORRECT.
INTERIM, A BEGINNING AND THEN AN AND NEAR THE END.
UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I'VE RECEIVED FROM PEOPLE, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TOO, IS THAT, UM, AS ONE PERSON PUT IT, YOUR TWO ROCK WALL CENTRIC, UM, THERE'S, WE HAVE LARGE COMMUNITIES IN ROYCE CITY AND FATE AND MCLENNAN, CHISHOLM AND HEATH, ET CETERA.
SO WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH, AS YOU SAID, TWO DIFFERENT IF YOU NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
UM, BUT THERE'S STILL TESTS TO BE TWO MEETINGS IN EACH ONE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT FROM THE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS TO THE FOUR.
NOW, IF, IF THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN DO THAT, CAN WE HAVE AN INITIAL PUBLIC MEETING IN JUST ONE OF EACH LOCATION AND THEN THE MORE OF THE FINAL PUBLIC MEETING AT A PLACE LIKE THE LIBRARY AT ONE CENTRALIZED AND SAVE MONEY? I'M SURE WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S HOW WE GOT THERE, DANA.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER, WITH OTHER CLIENTS, COUNTY CLIENTS.
WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING IN ANOTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND THEN THE, THE, THE ROLLOUT IN THE BIG COMMUNITIES.
BUT WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE, HOW YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.
BUT WE'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH REALLY ONLY TWO.
ONE AT INITIAL INPUT FOR THE TOWN HALL AND THEN ONE AT, UH, DRAFT PLAN.
THE WHERE WE GET THE VALUE IS THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THE CONSORTIUM, ALL THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS, INCLUDING MAYBE KEY DEVELOPERS, HOW, WHO, HOW WE MIGHT WANNA INCLUDE THAT ON THE LIST.
WE INITIALLY HAD TWO, FOUR HOUR SESSIONS.
WE EXPANDED THAT TO EITHER THREE, FOUR HOUR SESSIONS OR TWO SIX HOUR SESSIONS.
AND SO, UH, BUT THE IDEA IS TO UNDERSTAND LEADERSHIP, INPUT POLICY, UH, CITIZEN INPUT, COMMUNITY INPUT, DEVELOPER INPUT AS PART OF THIS OVERALL PLAN.
WE WANTED TO TRY TO CAPTURE ALL THAT AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, THE OTHER THING I HAD, UH, I HAD WRITTEN DOWN, AND I JUST NEEDED YOU TO, UM, EXPLAIN, 'CAUSE I, I KIND OF LOST YOU WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
IT'S MY FAULT PROBABLY, BUT THE, YOU TALKED ABOUT DOING A FULL COUNTY MODEL VERSUS THE COG MODEL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES OF THAT COMMENT? UH, SO NOT SURE IF I, IF I CAPTURED, UH, SO, UM, AND THIS IS IN WITH REGARDS TO TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO IN THE LIGHT, LIGHT VERSION, LIGHT THOROUGHFARE, PLANET LIGHT IS, WE WOULD USE THE COG MODEL AS IS.
IN THE MORE DETAILED, WE ARE DEVELOPING A MODEL.
WE ARE TAILORING ROCKWALL COUNTY MM-HMM
SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE BIG REGIONAL MODEL WITH COGS MODEL.
THEY'RE RUNNING IT, THEY'RE GIVING US THE TRIP TABLES AND ALL THE OUTPUT.
WE'RE BRINGING THAT BACK DOING ANALYSIS.
I I THOUGHT THAT'S HOW IT WORKED IN, I THEN I WASN'T SURE.
YES, YOU WERE SAYING WE WEREN'T GONNA USE THEM.
SO IT IS BOTH NETWORKS AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS OKAY.
AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE, BEFORE YOU TURNED IT OVER Q AND A, IS THE, THE VALUE OF THE APPORTIONMENT PORTION,
ANYWAY, THE IMPACT STUDY, AND I, I LIKE WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO SET THE FRAMEWORK AS YOU, AS YOU NOTED, BUT I, I DO KNOW THAT THE, I THINK ALL OF US ARE PRETTY AWARE ON THIS, ON THE COURT THAT THE 90TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS GOING TO COME BACK, I THINK WITH SOME IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF CONCERNS AND POSSIBLE SURE.
AND SO WE WOULD BE FINISHING UP OURS ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE 90TH IS STARTING TOO.
WE MIGHT NEED TO BE DOING SOME LOBBYING AHEAD OF TIME IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY BIG CHANGES.
HOW ABOUT THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS GONNA DO.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN VERY FRIENDLY TO COUNTIES IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT PROPORTIONALITY STARTED AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, RIGHT? AND NOW IT'S BECAUSE THE GROWTH IS HITTING HERE AT THE COUNTY.
LUCKILY, THERE'S SOMETHING ON APPORTIONMENT THAT WE GOTTA HAVE SOME TOOL, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IT, IT COULD CHANGE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE WOULD BE ESTABLISHING HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA MEASURE IT HERE IN ROCKWELL COUNTY.
IT'S REAL, IT'S REAL INTERESTING.
COMMISSIONER STACEY AND I ATTENDED A TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES CONFERENCE LAST WEEK, AND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS IN ONE OF THE SESSIONS WE WERE AT IS A STATE LEGISLATOR.
AND, UM, SHE MADE THE COMMENT THAT
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THERE ARE SO FEW, UM, COUNTY LEADERS AND MAYBE EVEN MUNICIPALITY LEADERS, BUT SHE WAS SPEAKING TO, TO US AS COUNTIES.THERE'S SO FEW OF COUNTY LEADERS THAT ARE STEPPING INTO STATE LEGISLATIVE ROLES.
AND WE HAVE, WE, WE, WE KIND OF KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND.
WE, AS, AS COUNTY OFFICIALS, HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND AND A NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT SHE DID SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ON ROADS AND, AND TRAFFIC.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING COMMENT.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD AND, UM, WELL, YOU WANNA GO FIRST, JOHN, YOU PROBABLY HAVE, UM, I HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION.
UM, I DON'T WANNA DO IT NOW, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THE SCOPE AS FAR AS WHO WE'RE INCLUDING AND, AND SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND HOW YOU OUTLINE THAT.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT WE WANTED TO, I MEAN, IT IS NOT NOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, BUT AT SOME POINT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE SCOPE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH HOW YOU DEVELOPED SOME OF THESE STEERING COMMITTEES AND STAKEHOLDERS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DELINEATE THAT INTO, UH, A ROBUST DISCUSSION NOW.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOUR SCOPE CONCEPT MUCH LESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS AND PRICINGS A WHOLE OTHER.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT TO LET YOU KNOW, AND LET THE FREEZER NICHOLS TEAM KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL JUST WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME, GET MY COMMENTS, OR IF YOU WANT ME TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL, WE, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, BUT I JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH HOW Y'ALL OKAY.
SET, SET UP MAIN, MAINLY THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE COUNTY LEVEL AND, AND, AND WHO YOU'RE IDENTIFYING IN THE PLAN.
AND I CAN HIT THAT REALLY HIGH LEVEL IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO WE WANT, AS WE MEET WITH OUR CLIENT, ROCKWALL COUNTY, WE WANNA UNDERSTAND WHO DO WE WANT TO, WHO DO WE WANT INPUT FROM? OBVIOUSLY WE WANT INPUT FROM YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, UM, AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE EXECUTIVE INTERVIEWS AT THE STAKEHOLDERS, WE WANT TO BE TALKING TO EACH ONE OF THE CITIES.
WE WANNA BE TALKING TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WE WANT TO BE TALKING TO MAYBE MAJOR DEVELOPERS, WHOEVER WE FEEL ARE MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE WANNA RECEIVE INPUT FROM.
AND NOW IF WE, IF WE FEEL THAT LIST NEEDS TO INCLUDE MAJOR HOAS, OR WE WANNA DEFINE THAT UPFRONT SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A 30 OR 45 MINUTE SLOT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE INTERVIEW IS, IS HERE'S THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT YOU, THAT'S CURRENTLY POLICY AND ADOPTED.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE OR WHAT ARE KEY ISSUES YOU SEE THE AFFECTING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT AT ALL LEVELS, AND THEN THAT ALL GETS BUNDLED IN AS PART OF THESE, THE INPUT, THE KEY INPUT.
SO, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE VETTING THAT INTERNALLY ON WHO WE'RE GONNA ASK WHO WE WANNA REACH OUT TO, AND IT CAN GO IN ANY VARIETY OF DIRECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S, UM, UM, PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS REALLY MY, MY ONLY COMMENT WAS ON THE SCOPING.
AND WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ALL THOSE COMMENTS.
MAYBE WE WANNA PULL ALL THE COMMENTS TOGETHER SO WE HAVE ALL OF THEM AT ONCE.
IF YOU, IF YOU WROTE COMMENTS DOWN AND WE CAN DO IT ALL TOGETHER AT ONE TIME.
WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED ON HOW WE CAN DO THAT OUTSIDE OF A COURT MEETING.
UM, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT TO FEEL FREE TO EMAIL YOUR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS SURE.
TO THE TEAM AT FREEZE NICHOLS.
UM, JUDGE, I KNOW YOU WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT, SO I'LL TRY AND KEEP THIS LIMITED.
UM, UH, BUT A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO NOTE HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF LINKED TOGETHER ARE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THE, UH, APPORTIONMENT.
UM, AND THEY'RE KIND OF LINKED TOGETHER, BUT AS I READ YOUR MATERIALS, THEY'RE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I'VE ASKED OUR, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, AND THEY'VE DONE SOME CHECKING ON THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, BEFORE WE DO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED ON THAT.
UM, BUT THE, I CAN'T OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF APPORTIONMENT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND AS COMMISSIONER M**K SAID, THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, BUT BASED UPON THE LAW THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH DOES ALLOW US TO APPORTION THAT AND APPORTION THOSE COSTS, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON A, GETTING A PLAN THAT IS, UH, AS YOU SAID, FAIR AND JUST, AND ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL AND MEETS ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AS WE'VE LEARNED.
THAT DOESN'T, UH, EVEN WHEN YOU AGREE WITH PEOPLE, SOMETIMES THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
UM, UH, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
UM, SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOT ME MOTIVATED TO START THIS DISCUSSION WITH FREEZE NICHOLS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, BECAUSE
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WE HAVE TO DO THAT, RIGHT.IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE DO THAT RIGHT.
AND WE HAVE TO DO IT OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT, UH, NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE'RE OUR, WHAT ARE CITIZENS IN OUR COUNTIES ENTITLED TO.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THE TRAFFIC AND IMPACT ANALYSIS, I WOULD JUST SAY THE COURT, UH, UH, IN ONE OF OUR NEXT, UH, MEETINGS, WHETHER IT BE A WORKSHOP WITH AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR WHATEVER, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR, WITH OUR COUNCIL ABOUT THAT.
UM, SECOND THING IS, UM, THE BANK OF MEETINGS, I, I'LL TAKE SOME BLAME FOR THIS, AND I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION WHEN YOU SAID WE'VE GOT A BANK OF 15 MEETINGS, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEATEN YOU UP ON PRICE EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED, AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THAT.
BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WAS THERE WAS, UH, AS YOU'VE SEEN THIS MORNING, UH, OUR THINK OUR FIRST FIVE AGENDA ITEMS WERE KIND OF UPDATES ON THE PLAN MM-HMM
UH, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT EVERY COURT WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I WOULD LIKE TO CALL, OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO FRANKLY ADVISE US, HEY, CONNOR IS, UH, CONNOR WOULD LIKE TO COME AND JUST BRING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED ON SOMETHING, OR I'D LIKE CONNOR TO SHOW UP, AND HE LIVES HERE IN ROCKWALL, SO GREAT.
HOW SOMEHOW THAT GOT EXPANDED INTO A BANK OF 15 MEETINGS, UM, THAT COST, UH, $21,000.
UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND, AND THAT MAY BE MY FAULT FOR NOT COMMUNICATING IT WELL, UM, BECAUSE PRICE DOES MATTER.
I HAD STICKER SHOP WHEN I SAW THIS AS IF YOU AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
SO I THINK WE CAN PAIR SOME OF THAT DOWN SURE.
SO THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THAT BURDEN.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I'LL STILL PROBABLY ASK YOU FOR A PRICE REDUCTION.
UM, UH, AND I, I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US TO THIS POINT.
I, WE'VE HAD VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS.
THEY JUST, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH TO THE COURT, WE'VE GONE BACK WITH SOME RELATIVELY, UH, DETAILED COMMENTS.
UH, ERICA, OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, I GUESS SHE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.
SHE, SHE AND I HAVE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH THESE FOLKS.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE A REAL GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE CONCERNS AND, UH, AND THINGS.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH, I THINK, BOTH THINGS.
UH, THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND SECONDLY, THE, UM, THE APPORTIONMENT ANALYSIS.
UH, ONE LAST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, AND THIS IS A QUESTION REALLY FOR MY AUDITOR AND LEGAL TEAM, UM, IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY HERE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO BID, UH, OR BECAUSE WE'VE DONE PRIOR WORK WITH FREEZE NICHOLS, CAN WE CONTRACT WITH THEM? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IN MY INTERPRETATION, IT IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICE.
UH, WE HAVE BID, UH, PREVIOUSLY FOR, UH, ROAD PROJECTS.
AND FREEZING NICHOLS WAS PRE-QUALIFIED AS A VENDOR.
SO, AND IN TWO, TWO DIFFERENT SPOTS THERE YOU HAVE, YOU'RE PLANNING ON USING ROAD BOND FUNDS, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE COVERED.
UH, I, YOU COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO DO AN RFQA REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED TO.
THIS, UH, DEFINITELY FALLS IN UNDER THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE EXEMPTION FROM THE NORMAL, UH, PROCUREMENT ACT RULES.
SO COMMISSIONER TI YOU PREEMPTED MY STATEMENT, UH, BY, BY THAT QUESTION, SO I'M SORRY.
UM, WHAT, WHAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE BEFORE US COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS, IS A DECISION THAT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE MADE, I THINK, MORE READILY AT OUR NEXT WORKSHOP.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO DETERMINE NUMBER ONE, SCOPE AND NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO PRICE.
BUT A DECISION I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME DISCUSSING NOW IS DO WE WANT TO PUT THIS OUT FOR BID AND HAVE, UH, UH, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S OUT THERE? UM, I'LL JUST PERSONALLY SAY I'M, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LICHTY FOR ALL THE BACK AND FORTH YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO, TO THIS POINT.
UM, I'M EXCITED LIKE YOU ARE TO, TO GET MOVING ON THIS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, UM, I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING NONE OF YOU WANT TO HEAR, BUT THE OUTER LOOP NEEDS TO BE SOLVED BEFORE WE SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE PART OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS MONEY, LET'S DO IT WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION, NOT A GUESS ON WHERE THAT OUTER LOOP MAY OR MAY NOT GO.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT
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YOU MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT 'CAUSE THAT OUTER LOOP WILL AFFECT TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN AND AROUND IT ALL AROUND IT SURE.DEVELOPMENT, ALL KINDS OF SCENARIOS ON HOW WE'RE GONNA PUT DATA INTO THIS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE DOWN THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY LONG TERM, THAT OUTER LOOP WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND, AND SO IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AND WE'RE, AND, AND, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE GUESSING, THEN WE'RE TAKING A MAJOR ROADWAY AND GUESSING WHERE IT MAY OR MAY NOT GO IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, UH, I DON'T, UH, UNTIL YOUR LAST STATEMENT, I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, AND I'M NOT SURE I DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS MORNING AND THE FIRST TIME I SAID, OKAY, FINE.
BUT THE SECOND TIME THIS MORNING, YOU'VE USED THAT TERM, RIGHT? YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE OUTER LOOP.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
BECAUSE WHAT I MEAN IS WE NEED GO AHEAD.
BECAUSE WE, EVEN UNDER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, WE'VE GOT IN THE, THE NORTH PORTION IS FAIRLY WELL ESTABLISHED, OF COURSE.
AND, AND IN MY OPINION, SOLVED.
BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE MAY DISAGREE, BUT THE SOUTHERN PORTION THERE ARE EVEN UNDER WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW, THERE ARE THREE POSSIBLE, UH, SCENARIOS.
WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT SEVERAL OTHERS, WHICH THEY'VE DONE FOR US.
AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING THAT FORWARD.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY WE'VE SOLVED IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE SOLVED TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE DETERMINED THE FINAL PATH UNTIL ANOTHER ENGINEERING STUDY IS DONE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING.
WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH HALF AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WELL, EITHER I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE HALF.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GONNA VEER VERY FAR OFF WHATEVER PREFERRED PATH WE WORK OUT WITH TDOT.
ONCE HALF LOOKS AT IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE PREFERRED ROUTE, TEXTILES ALREADY PICKED, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG DEVIATION IN WHERE THAT GOES.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA ADJUST A BUNCH.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS COURT NEEDS TO GET TO A CONSENSUS ON WHERE THAT OUTER LOOP IS GONNA BE AND ARE WE GONNA AGREE TO FUND THE REST OF THE STUDY SO WE CAN GET OFF HIGH CENTER AND GET MOVING TOWARDS MAKING A DECISION.
RIGHT NOW, THIS COURT HAS DRUG OUT THAT DECISION FOREVER.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WASN'T RIGHTFULLY DONE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HUNT COUNTY.
I DID YOU HEAR ME SAY IT'S GOING TO HUNT COUNTY? NO.
SO IT'S COMING HERE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO GET DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THE OUTER LOOP'S COMING.
IT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT'S COMING THROUGH OUR COUNTY, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE WE GO SPEND $600,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO MAKE A THOROUGH FARE PLAN THAT IT IS.
PART OF ALL I'M SAYING IS I WANT ACCURATE DATA.
SO I WANT TO SOLVE THOSE THINGS LIKE THE OUTER LOOP BEFORE WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH TDOT IS SOLIDIFIED BECAUSE WE'VE AGREED TO HOLD UP OUR END OF THE BARGAIN ON THE STUDY BEFORE WE ISSUE BONDS THAT ARE DEBT TO OUR TAXPAYERS.
AND TECH STOCK CAN PULL THOSE PROJECTS LIKE THEY DID TO ME ON 1141 AT ANY TIME, AND WE COULD ISSUE THAT DEBT AND IT COULD SIT.
UH, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS, WELL, I'D LIKE TO NOT SKIRT AROUND THE OUTER LOOP ANYMORE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO A CONSENSUS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH TEXT DOT ON THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CONSENSUS ON THE OUTER LOOP CAN BE DONE QUICKLY.
E EVEN IF WE ALL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, TEXT DOT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I I I, WE'RE STILL SO FAR AWAY FROM THAT LOOP BEING BUILT AND THE IMPACT BEING KNOWN.
I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? TXDOT KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE ON EVERY ROUTE THEY'VE GIVEN US.
HOW WOULD WE NOT KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS? WELL, AND, AND I THINK WE KNOW THE LAND SITUATION WITH A LOT OF IT AND WHAT THE, WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE WITH SOME OF THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE EITHER COMING IN OR PLANNING TO COME IN, IN THE NEXT.
SO, SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO TIE INTO THIS, THAT FIRST TIMELINE OF 20 37, 20 40, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, AGAIN, IDEA OF SOLVING IS GETTING A COURT OF EITHER WE ACCEPT OR, OR, OR WE DON'T.
I'M JUST A CONSENSUS BETWEEN US ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE YET.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS ON WHERE THIS THING IS GOING TO GO, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU TO TOMORROW NIGHT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ROBUST, OPEN, HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT, ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, COMMISSIONER LTI, THE ROAD CAN MOVE SLIGHTLY ONCE THE STUDY'S DONE, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A STUDY.
AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A MASSIVE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH A MAJOR ROAD THAT'S UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW.
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ACTUALLY, I, I HAVE COMMENTS.IF YOU TALK SESSION, YOU CAN DO SO, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT DEFENSIVE 'CAUSE I THINK SINCE JANUARY 14TH, WHICH FOR YOU AND I, BOBBY WAS AN INTRODUCTION TO THIS, I'VE PROBABLY SPENT AS MUCH TIME AS ANYONE THIS COURT TRYING TO FIND A SOLU A SOLUTION TO AND TO SOLVE THE OUTER LUC LUC ISSUE LOOP ISSUE.
IF WE TOOK A, A, A POLL AS JUDGE NEW DID EARLIER THIS MORNING IS, AND HE LIKES TO DO, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? MY GUESS IS WE'D GET FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
MY GUESS IS YOURS AND MINE WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT CLOSER THAN, UH, YOU MIGHT THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, BUT MIGHT BE, BUT THAT DOESN'T, IN MY OPINION, SOLVE IT.
AND WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO HERE, AND THIS IS WHY I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SOLVE? WE'VE GOT TWO HUGE DECISIONS WE'RE FACING AND WE'RE FACING 'EM BOTH TODAY.
AND SO IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS IT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS TO ISSUE ROAD BONDS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO PROCEED WITH A MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I HOPE IT'S NOT, BUT IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH EITHER OF THESE UNTIL WE'VE DETERMINED A FINAL ROUTE FOR THE OUTER LOOP.
I I THINK THAT'S SETTING A BAR THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET.
AND I, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT.
I THINK WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARD A SOLUTION, BUT I TO, TO SAY WE HAVE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER OF THESE, IN MY OPINION, IS GONNA DELAY BOTH OF THESE.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO IF, AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOUR MEANING OF SOLVE IS, BOBBY, UM, YOU AND I MAY AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT OR WE MAY NOT.
MY PROBLEM IS, AS EVERYONE ON THIS COURT HAS LEARNED SINCE JANUARY 1ST, I HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH WORDS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I I WANT US TO KNOW SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS ON HOW WE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OUTER LOOP.
THERE ARE VARIABLES THAT WILL BE OUT OF OUR CONTROL MM-HMM
BUT THE VARIABLE THAT'S NOT OUT OF OUR CONTROL IS WHAT OUR CONSENSUS IN THIS COURT WOULD BE.
AND I, I WANT US TO NOT HAVE THIS BIG QUESTION MARK ON WHETHER WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER WE'RE NOT, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA LET TECH STOCK COME IN HERE AND JUST RUN US OVER AND NOT HAVE ANY SAY IN IT.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE AS A COURT THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO SPENDING MONEY ON A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT IS VERY NEEDED AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT WE'RE DOING, AND THAT WE'RE ISSU AND ISSUING BONDS THAT ARE GONNA DRIVE OUR TAX RATE UP.
BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, I WANT THIS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CONSENSUS MOVING FORWARD BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE REALLY BIG DECISIONS BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY BIG PART OF THIS, IN MY OPINION.
AND, AND AG, JUST WAIT SECOND.
AND, AND AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON WHAT IT MEANS TO REACH CONSENSUS, YOU AND I MIGHT AGREE PERFECTLY OR WE MAY STILL HAVE SOME GROUND BETWEEN US, BUT I, I AGREE THIS, THERE'S ANY, NO ONE ON THIS COURT WOULD DENY THAT A DECISION REGARDING THE ALDER LOOP IS, IS NECESSARY.
AND IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON NOW FOR NINE MONTHS AND 10 MONTHS AND, AND THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT BOTH OF THESE ISSUES.
I JUST DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA DELAY A DECISION ON THE OUTER LOOP, WHICH I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BRING THIS COURT TO A DECISION ON, AND I DON'T WANNA DELAY A DECISION ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR THE BONDS.
I WANT US TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE AS I'VE SAID, A HUNDRED AND TIME, LET'S BUILD ROADS, Y'ALL.
SO, SO MY, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF THE JUDGE GIVING US A ROLLING AND TUMBLING WORKSHOP THAT MAYBE WE WORKSHOP THE BOND ISSUANCE, THE THOROUGHFARE AND THE OUTER LOOP AND HAVE THREE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT WORKSHOP SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN INCREMENTALLY GO THROUGH IT SO THAT WE DON'T ROLL.
ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SAME WORKSHOP, JUST THREE AGENDA ITEMS? CORRECT.
SO, SO GO, SO AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP, SAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOND ISSUANCE, SO THAT WAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MM-HMM
AND, AND, AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER.
THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SO WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THEN DISCUSS THE OUTER LOOP.
BECAUSE THEN MICHAEL MORRIS WOULD'VE ALREADY COME THROUGH CONSORTIUM AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
AND THAT WAY WE DON'T INTERMINGLE THEM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE DECISION IS INTERMINGLED.
BUT WE CAN HAVE THREE SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS INSTEAD OF A WORKSHOP WHERE WE JUST GO
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ON ALL THESE RABBIT TRAILS THROUGH YEAH.THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES WE TRY TO STAY FOCUSED ON, ON, ON THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF MY THING BECAUSE I I DO AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT'S HAPPENING.
IS THAT, THAT IT'S ALL INTER IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THE ONLY THING ABOUT WORKSHOPS IS WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON SURE.
AND, AND THEN THAT MEANS THAT PUSHES US BACK ANOTHER TWO OR FOUR WEEKS DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, ACTIONS.
NO, WE WERE TRYING TO WORKSHOP, WE TAKE ACTIONS, WE'RE TRYING TO WORKSHOP THIS MONTH TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, SO WE'RE NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY POSTPONING ANY ANYTHING, BUT IT COULD PUSHING US TO NEARLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TO MAKING, TAKING ACTION.
THANK YOU MR. HAAS FOR PUTTING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS 2018 THOROUGHFARE, IT, IT, IT SHOWS THE, THE, THE OUTER LOOP ON THERE AND IT WAS ADOPTED ON FEBRUARY 27TH, 2019.
SO UNLESS WE TELL HIM DIFFERENT, I'M THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT ON THERE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, PRIOR TO 2018, IT RAN UP HIGHWAY 34 IN HUNT COUNTY.
SO I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND SAY, WELL HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE IT WENT.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE TO COME TO A DECISION AND IT CAN'T BE BASED ON, ON, ON, ON THIS.
AND, AND, AND, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, ANCILLARY DECISIONS TO MAKE.
ONE, ONCE WE MAKE THIS AND, AND ONE THAT'S GONNA GET ROLY TUMBLING, UH, IS, UH, I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE FUNDS ON TRIP 21.
I I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE LIST OF PROJECTS.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN, UH, UM, ALLOCATE MONEY TO SPEND ON IT.
UH, SO NOW WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, OBVIOUSLY CAN STRATEGIC MONEY IS THERE, UH, SO THE, THE, THE MEETING WILL GET ROLLY TUMBLING.
THAT'S THE WAY TRANSPARENCY AND DEMOCRACY WORKS.
I IF WE ALL COME UP AND, AND JUST TAKE A VOTE ON VERY SERIOUS WEIGHTY MATTERS, THAT MEANS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND AND, AND WE, WE DON'T DO THAT HERE.
SO, UH, ROLLY TUMBLING IS A GOOD AMERICAN WAY TO DO THINGS.
C COULD I? YES, GO AHEAD, MR. HAAS.
I, I HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO THE ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN GOING ON AS PART OF THAT OUTER LOOP DISCUSSION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE RECONFIGURATIONS ARE HALF MILE APART, A MILE APART, FIVE MILES APART.
BUT IF FOR PLANNING, WE'RE, THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT, YES, WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE A TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, BUT IF WE'RE HONING IN BETWEEN THREE ALIGNMENTS, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 3, IF WE'RE IN THE, FROM A MODELING PERSPECTIVE IN THE MIDDLE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A GRID, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A GRID NETWORK, WE COULD PROBABLY STILL BE WORKING.
UM, YES, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF KNEW THE LOCATION OF THE GENERAL ALIGNMENT.
BUT FROM A MODELING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S, IT'S A MODEL.
IT'S GONNA INFORM SIZING, IT'S GONNA INFORM NETWORK, UM, REQUIREMENTS AND NEEDS.
SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIND THE TWO LEFT AND THE RIGHT AND GO RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WORK.
THE OTHER THING IS IS, AND MAYBE I'M LOBBYING TO START THIS THING, BUT WE, THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT IS THE FIRST THREE TO FOUR MONTHS WE COULD BE GETTING ALL THAT DONE.
AND IF YOU ALL, IF THE, THE, IF A DECISION IS MADE ON RELATIVE LOCATION WITHIN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY TIME.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD BE ADVANCING THINGS ON BOTH PHASES IF YOU DECIDE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON BOTH PHASES, BUT PARTICULARLY ON THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT FOR INPUT ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO COMMISSIONER ALANA MADE THE STATEMENT TO MY STATEMENT THAT REALLY TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THINGS MAYBE TOO MUCH OF AND SAY, WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND WHERE WE GOING TO ALLOCATE BONDS AND NEED TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE'RE ALLOCATING, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS.
AND THE QUESTION I ASKED, DO WE WANT TO BRING IN OTHER BIDDERS? I THINK IF I OVERSIMPLIFY COMMISSIONER GUANA, HE SAID, NO, HE'S HAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT FREEZE AND NICKEL HAS DONE.
UH, SO COMMISSIONER M**K, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I AM TOO.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I'M HAPPY.
SUBJECT TO COMING TO AGREEMENT ON PRICE
OH, THAT PUTS SOME PRESSURE ON 'EM.
UM, I, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE BASED UPON OUR RELATIONSHIP TO, IN INCLUDE THEM GOING FORWARD.
UM, THEY HAVE THE MOST INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT OUR APPORTIONMENT IS ANYWAY.
I, I DON'T, I THINK IT JUST HELPS US PICK UP FROM WHERE OUR PHILOSOPHY IS TO MOVING IT FORWARD.
SO TO SIMPLIFY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH FRIES NICHOLS AS WELL.
SO, UH, IT'S EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA? WE DON'T TAKE ACTION.
WE MOVE THIS TO A WORKSHOP WHICH WILL, AS COMMISSIONER M**K SAID, PUSH THE FORMAL,
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UH, ACCEPTANCE TO THE FIRST COMMISSIONER'S COURT AFTER THE WORKSHOP.I THINK IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, EDDIE, THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU AND I, AND ERICA AND CONNOR HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND I GUESS THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO JUMP ON.
WE CAN HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS.
UM, BUT WE, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE A FULL OPEN DISCUSSION TILL THE WORKSHOP, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE MORE CONVERSATION BEFORE THE WORKSHOP.
AND MAYBE WE CAN DO IT THIS AFTERNOON.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, WE CAN SET UP A TEAMS CALL.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THERE TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE.
UM, THIS AFTERNOON'S FINE WITH ME, BUT IT'S KIND OF MAYBE SUDDEN TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING HERE.
BUT, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH, UH, THE OTHER REST OF THE COURT OF COMMISSIONER STACY AND I GET ON THAT CALL AND KIND OF WORK ON PUSHING THIS FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF FREEZING NICHOLS FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE IN US.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS FINDING THE APPROPRIATE SCOPE THAT WE FEEL IS NECESSARY FOR DELIVERING THE UPDATE AND WHATEVER TECHNICAL TOOLS WE DECIDE WE NEED TO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.
WE'LL BE TAKEN ON AGENDA ITEM 15.
[16. Discuss/Act on Preliminary Plat & Construction Plan for Substation on State Highway 276, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 16, DISCUSS AN ACT ON PRELIMINARY PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR SUBSTATION ON STATE HIGHWAY 2 76 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS FOR A SUBSTATION OUT ON 2 76, UM, AND OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, ERICA, WHO I'M SO HAPPY YOU WORK HERE, UH, AS, AS AM I, I'LL SECOND.
SHE AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
IT HAPPENS TO BE IN, UM, UH, PRECINCT THREE.
SO, UM, ERICA, IF YOU WANNA JUST SHARE IN WHEN IT COMES TIME TO MAKE AN A MOTION, UM, I MIGHT WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION.
UM, ERICA BRIDGES COUNTY ENGINEER.
UH, I'LL JUST KEEP THIS REALLY BRIEF, THIS AS COMMISSIONER LTY MENTIONED, THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A SUBSTATION ON 2 76 FOR FARMERS ELECTRIC CO-OP.
UM, NOW THE, THE MEMO THAT Y'ALL RECEIVED WITH ALL THE COMMENTS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A CONCURRENT REVIEW OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION PLANS, UM, WHICH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE STILL BEING CONSIDERED.
BUT I WANT YOU TO BASICALLY OVERLOOK THOSE COMMENTS.
THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON ARE TECHNICAL COMMENTS SIX AND SEVEN, UM, AND THE REST OF 'EM WE WILL STILL BE WORKING THROUGH WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW, BUT REALLY SIX AND SEVEN ARE THE ONES THAT PERTAIN TO TODAY'S PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, IT IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION AND PLAT AND I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, AFTER TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, WHO, BY THE WAY, IS HERE TODAY, UH, IF Y'ALL DO HAVE ANY SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS, UM, AFTER TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY ARE NOT GONNA BE TAKING ACCESS FROM BURQUETTE.
IT'S REALLY JUST GONNA BE ACCESS FROM 2 76.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT A NOTE BE ADDED TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SPECIFYING THAT ACCESS WILL COME FROM STATE HIGHWAY 2 76 AND THAT ADDRESSES COMMENT NUMBER SIX.
AND NUMBER SEVEN, UM, WE JUST NEED AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE SCALE.
MAKE SURE THAT THE SCALE'S CORRECT ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND, UM, CONDITION.
AND WITH THAT, UM, I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
SO, UH, I, I JUST HAD A COUPLE DRAINAGE QUESTIONS BASED ON NOTES AND ARE, AND FIRST ONE IS, DO WE NEED A RETENTION POND? I THINK THERE WAS A NOTE THAT SAID IF WE NEED A RETENTION POND, WE, WE SAW THAT LATER.
ARE, ARE, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT WE DON'T NEED A RETENTION POND? UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE DRAINAGE.
SO I RESERVE JUDGMENT AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ENGINEERING ANSWER.
IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TODAY.
AND IF ANY ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS PERTAINING TO DRAINAGE ARE REQUIRED AT A LATER DATE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET ADDED TO THE FINAL PLAT.
SO THEY'LL GET THE DATA TO YOU AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL MAKE THE CALL? YES, SIR.
UH, CAN I JUMP IN YOUR JUDGE? AND JUST
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TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ON WEIGHTING THE DRAINAGE ISSUE UNTIL THEN.IS THAT CORRECT ON THE RETENTION POND? YES.
TYPICALLY THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AREN'T EVEN SUB SUBMITTED AND THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
SO, I MEAN, IT JUST, IT, IT KIND OF DEPENDS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TYPICAL, BUT IT'S HELPFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY SUBMITTED 'EM CONCURRENTLY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I THINK COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS GONNA MAKE A SOMEWHAT AMENDED MOTION MAYBE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY, UH, JUST BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, UH, THERE'S THREE THINGS.
WE HAVE THREE CHOICES HERE AS A COURT.
UH, BECAUSE OF THE SUBMISSION OF THE PLAT, WE HAVE TO ACT WITHIN A 30 DAY TIME PERIOD.
WE, WE CAN EITHER APPROVE IT, WE CAN DISAPPROVE IT, OR WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE SUBSTATION ON STATE HIGHWAY 2 76, SUBJECT TO SATISFACTION OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BE MODIFIED TO ADD A NOTE REGARDING REMOVAL OF ACCESS TO BURKE LANE AND PROVIDE THAT ACCESS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL ONLY BE FROM STATE HIGHWAY 2 76 2.
THAT CORRECTIONS BE MADE TO THE SCALE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS REFERENCED IN COMMENT NUMBER SEVEN IN THE LETTER, PROVIDING COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO SUCH PRELIMINARY PLAT DATED OCTOBER 6TH, 2025 FROM THE COUNTY'S ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS FREEZE NICHOLS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ENGINEER.
AND THREE, THAT ALL GENERAL CONDITIONS AND DISCLAIMERS AND OTHER INFORMATION SET FORTH IN SUCH COMMENT LETTER ARE SATISFIED.
HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE NOW, PLEASE.
THANK YOU, ERICA AND COMMISSIONER LICHTY.
[17. Discuss/Act on approving the Indigent Defense Formula Grant for Fiscal Year 2026 for the improvement of indigent defense services in Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Judge New – Auditor)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 17, DISCUSSING ACT ON APPROVING THE INDIGENT DEFENSE FORMULA GRANT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF INDIGENT DEFENSE SERVICES IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE AUDITOR.
THIS IS THE SAME GRANT THAT WE APPLY FOR ANNUALLY.
UH, THE COUNTY USUALLY RECEIVES AROUND $70,000 IN REVENUE, WHICH IS IN YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
UM, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON POPULATION AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE EXPEND, UH, FOR COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS.
SO, UH, DO YOU, I I, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE INDIGENT DEFENSE FORMULA GRANT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.
GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[18. Discuss/Act on moving the regular scheduled Commissioners Court meeting for November 11, 2025, due to a County holiday on November 11, 2025, and all related issues; (Judge New)]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 18, DISCUSS AND ACT ON MOVING THE REGULAR SCHEDULED COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 11TH, 2025 DUE TO A COUNTY HOLIDAY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2025, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.SO WHERE DO WE WANNA MOVE? NOVEMBER 11TH TOO.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE AUDITOR BEFORE SOMEBODY JUMPS OUT HERE AND I WAS, GETS HIS PAST PAYROLL.
I WAS JUST THINKING NOVEMBER 12TH, UH, OR THE 13TH.
UH, I THINK NOVEMBER 12TH IS WEDNESDAY THE 13TH IS, UH, THURSDAY, UH, WOULD WORK, UH, FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THE 12TH IF ME TOO.
I HAVE ANOTHER COMMITMENT ON THE 13TH, SO THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME.
WELL, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 11TH TO NOVEMBER 12TH, DUE TO A COUNTY HOLIDAY BEING ON NOVEMBER 11TH.
GOT MY MOTION A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.
[19. Discuss/Act on approving a quote from Russ Bassett for dispatch consoles for the Sheriff’s Office Renovation at a total cost of $182,204.58, and all related issues; (Auditor)]
AND THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 19.DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING A QUOTE FROM RUSS BASSETT FOR DISPATCH CONSOLES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION AT A TOTAL COST OF $182,204 AND 58 CENTS, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.
THIS HAS THE AUDITOR'S NAME ON IT, BUT I SUSPECT THIS WAS A COMMISSIONER STACY SUBMITTAL.
UM, SO WE HAD, UH, AN ALLOWANCE FOR $180,000 ON THE CONSOLES.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN ON BUDGET.
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US TO PROCUREMENT SO THAT WE CAN START, UH, GETTING THESE THINGS IN COORDINATION WITH, UM, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH COG ON GETTING, GETTING ALL THIS STUFF MOVED AROUND.UM, BUT, UH, IF YOU DO NOTICE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE ARE SIX CONSOLES.
UM, THAT IS, UH, GREAT WORK FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT.
UM, SO I'M, I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
UH, WE WERE THINKING WE WERE GONNA EXPAND IT TO FOUR.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE, WE HAD THE MONEY KIND OF TO DO THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, A ROOM THAT'S GONNA COST $180,000 OF, OF VERY HIGH TECH FURNITURE, UM, I'M GONNA PICK ON COMMISSIONER LTE.
THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES THESE PROJECTS GET WAY OUTTA HAND BUDGET WISE.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOMS THAT NEED $180,000 WORTH OF FURNITURE, UM, IN THAT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE KIND OF KNEW THIS WAS COMING AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT PROCURED, UM, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE LONG LEAD TIMES AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET IN THE WAY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE IT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, BUT QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY? NOPE.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE QUOTE FROM RUSS BASSETT FOR DISPATCH CONSULTS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO
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BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 20, CONSENT AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH R.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
STACY, MAY I MAKE A STATEMENT, JUDGE IF IT'S OKAY? YEP.
UM, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE DIRECTOR OF THE MEALS ON WHEELS.
UM, SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR THE WHOLE MEETING AND WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PARTICIPATION AND THE GREAT JOB YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
SO WE HAVE THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALANA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K.
COULD, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? I, I, YEP.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU THROW IN A COMMENT.
SO HOW ABOUT YEAH, GO AHEAD NOW.
BY THE WAY, I CONCUR WITH WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER M**K SAID ALSO, UH, I ASKED OUR MEALS ON WHEELS TEAM TO SEND A COPY OF THEIR AUDIT AND THEY HAD A VERY CLEAN AUDIT FOR LAST YEAR, AND I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR PROMPT RESPONSE TO THAT.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON EX ON ITEM C HERE, WHICH IS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
UM, AND I, I THOUGHT I, I ASKED THE AUDITOR THIS QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE ANSWER.
SO I'M, I HATE TO BRING IT UP HERE, BUT, UM, AND ITEM C, WE'VE GOT THIS, UH, IT'S I GUESS PART THREE C WHERE WE'RE PAYING OUR PAYMENT IN FOUR QUARTERLY INSTALLMENTS, BUT WE'RE PAYING OURSELVES IS KIND OF I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
AND I KNOW YOU ANSWERED YESTERDAY, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET BACK WITH YOU WITH THIS, SO I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S OKAY.
SO THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION IS MADE UP OF THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY, UH, THE COUNTY SETS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BUDGET TELLS THE EMERGENCY SERVICES WHAT ALL EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.
THEN EMERGENCY SERVICES, UH, COLLECTS THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION, BILLS ALL THE CITIES AND BILLS THE COUNTY.
SO WE ARE BASICALLY PAYING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THIS FUND 25, AND ALL THE CITIES PAY IN TO EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION.
BUT IT, WE'RE NOT JUST, AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A SMALL POINT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE NOT PAYING THE MONEY TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION.
WE'RE PAYING IT TECHNICALLY TO OURSELVES JUST PUTTING IT INTO A FUND.
AND THAT FUND PAYS JARED AND THEN THEY, THEY PAY OUR, THOSE EXPENSES AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE PAY, UH, 50% OF THOSE EXPENSES.
THE CITIES PAY THE OTHER HALF RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT WAS CLEAR.
IT JUST WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR WHEN IT, IT SAYS WE HAVE TO MAKE A PAYMENT AND ESSENTIALLY TO OURSELVES, BUT I GUESS THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.
SORRY TO HOLD EVERYBODY UP THERE.
WE HAD THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOLAN.
I, WE HAD THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[21. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]
IT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 21,[02:25:01]
PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS.I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS A THROUGH C.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
STACY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE? THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[22. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 22, NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS.I'M JUST GONNA STAY ON THIS ROLL.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANA.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE.
[23. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 23, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLLS.UM, I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS, THE AMOUNT OF $1,209,345 AND 41 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLEY SECOND.
IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,454,755 AND 40 CENTS.
AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANO.
IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
JUDGE, UH, I'M SUBMITTING TO YOU THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,093,470 AND 72 CENTS.
AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL, MOVE TO APPROVE.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOANA.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER, YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
UH, I HAVE A SECOND PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2025 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,130,591 AND 66 CENTS.
AND I ASKED THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MACKWELL.
I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LTE.
IF YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
[24. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, EXECUTIVE SESSION COMMISSIONER'S, COURT OF ROCK, ROCKWELL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA OR IN THIS ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETING, SUB CHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY.ON THOSE ITEMS, WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON PERSONNEL MATTERS.
DISCUSSION REGARDING EMPLOYEE NUMBER 1 6 2 9 IN CONNECTION WITH AN EDUCATION INCENTIVE STIPEND.
NUMBER TWO, DISCUSSION REGARDING EMPLOYEES 2 2 5 5 1 5 3 9 AND 1 8 8 3 IN RELATION TO THEIR FY 2026 SALARY INCREASES.
AND AT 1138, WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[25. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]
ALL RIGHT EVERYONE.AT 1219, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I CAN TELL YOU NO ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW.
I WANT TO MOVE, UH, THAT THE COURT APPROVE THE PERSONNEL CHANGE FORM SUBMITTED FOR, UH, THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO REMAIN AT 1 53, 600 FOR THE HEALTH COORDINATOR TO MOVE TO 81,293.
AND FOR THE GIS ANALYST TO BE MOVED TO $72,000 AND TO BE EFFECTIVE DURING THE FIRST PAY CYCLE OF THE 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET YEAR.
GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GILANI, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, HOLD ON.
I HAVEN'T PAID THE, THE, THIS WEEK IS THE FIRST PAYCHECK.
SHE HASN'T PROCESS MY PAYCHECK FROM OCTOBER 1ST, SEVEN 15 YET.
SO THAT MOTION IS ALREADY HAS A BOW TIED ON IT.
WE WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE MORE MOTION WHEN ONE ABSTAIN.
HE TRIED TO, HE TRIED TO BAIL OUT, BUT IT'S TOO, TOO LATE THAT THAT MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
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IT IS.HE JUST HIT THE WRONG DENIED BUT ISN'T IT? THAT'S RIGHT, ERICA.
THAT WAS, DID YOU ASK HER IF THAT WAS OKAY? AND SHE SAID YES.
ANY CONSTITUTION PAYS WILL BE BACK PAID.
WE'VE DONE IT THIS WAY EVERY TIME.
ARE YOU THINKING THAT THIS IS, OOPS, ARE YOU THINKING THAT THIS IS, IT'S I GUESS THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T.
BUT, UM, PAYROLL RUNS TOMORROW, SO, UM, I I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT, I'M I'M NOT OVER PAYROLL.
I JUST KNOW, I JUST KNOW THAT IT, IT, IT, THE ONLY TIME WE EVER PAID BACK PAY IS IT, IT WAS THE COUNTY'S MISTAKE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED IT AND NOW THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT.
FOR THOSE LISTENING AT HOME, WE'RE UH, TRYING TO GET SOME TECHNICAL ANSWERS TO, IS THIS BACK PAY OR NOT? UH, I, WELL, I DUNNO BECAUSE, UM, THE TREASURER CAN BE HERE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WANNA WAIT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, LET, LET'S, LET'S WAIT ON THE TREASURER.
ARE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT ON THE TREASURER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE ACTION AND WE HAVE AN APPROVAL.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE A ANOTHER MOTION, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
UH, SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GO.
SO JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.
SO IF A VOTE WAS TAKEN BUT NOT ANNOUNCED, WHY CAN'T YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE? YOU CAN, UH, AMEND THAT TO VOTE YOU, YOU CAN CHANGE IT.
WELL I WOULD DO, DO YOU CAN AMEND THAT ACTION.
WANT TO AMEND THAT? I WOULD THINK IT'D BE, UNTIL WE GET AN ANSWER, IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR ALL OF US TO WAIT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND AMEND THE VOTE THAT I READ AS FIVE TO ZERO AS BEING A NON VOTE.
IS THAT, DOES THAT GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE? IT DOES.
[26. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]
NOW LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS AND START WITH COMMISSIONER DELANA WHO'S CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GIVE US A REPORT.OH YEAH, JUST CHOMPING AT THE BIT.
UM, I GUESS I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION, UM, THAT, UH, IN ISRAEL, ALL OF THE LIVING HOSTAGES, UH, HAVE BEEN FREED, THANK GOD.
MOST OF THEM ARE, UM, EXTREMELY MALNOURISHED AND HAVE BEEN THEN AGGRESSIVELY FED IN THE WEEK LEADING UP
UM, SO SOME OF 'EM ARE STILL HOSPITALIZED, BUT THEY'LL BE OKAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, MY IN-LAWS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, EN ROUTE TO ISRAEL NOW.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE PART IN A, A BIG CELEBRATION.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN TEL AVIV, UM, WITH THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, TO HOW MUCH FUN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AND WHAT STORIES THEY'LL BRING BACK.
PRAYERS ANSWERED, UH, TEARS FLOWING.
AND WHAT A WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW, YOU HATE WHAT GOD IS THERE, BUT MAN, I, I COULD JUST FEEL, FEEL THE LOVE OF PEOPLE SEEING THEIR FAMILY.
UH, COMMISSIONER MLU, UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SHARE WITH EVERYONE THAT'S LISTENING
AND THERE WAS A, A NUMBER OF GOOD COMMISSIONER EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN.
AND THEN THERE WAS SEVERAL FOR A COMMISSIONER WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE COUNTY ROAD THAT I DID GET SOME POINT, I DID GET SOME CREDITS ON.
BUT A LOT OF WHAT WAS BEING TAUGHT WERE MORE FOR THE, THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ACTUALLY DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENTS,
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD YOU A ROAD.
JUST FIND SOME COUNTY LAND AND BUILD YOU A ROAD.
LET'S SKIP GO TO COMMISSIONER PRECINCT FOUR.
I'M SAVING YOU AS THE CLOSING.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LET HIM CLOSE.
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MEETING.UM, NO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I'M DOWN IN GALVESTON A LOT TO LEARN.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND TALK TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
WE DID A LOT OF TALKING WITH GRAYSON COUNTY.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THAT, UM, THAT IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR, UM, TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO, TO THEIR CHALLENGES.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY HAVE FIVE NEW COMMISSIONERS IN TWO ELECTION CYCLES.
SO THEY'RE LITERALLY IN ROCKWALL COUNTY'S BOAT.
AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO LEARN AND LISTEN AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
AND, UM, UH, AND THAT WAS GOOD.
AND I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO FINISHING THIS YEAR STRONG AND, AND GETTING TRIP 21 GOING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE MY PRACTICE OF TALKING IN OUR 250TH YEAR HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TWO 50 YEARS AGO.
UM, ON OCTOBER 13TH, 1775, UM, THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS AUTHORIZED CONSTRUCTION AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE FIRST AMERICAN NAVAL FORCE, WHICH WAS THE PRECURSOR TO THE UNITED STATES NAVY, WHICH WAS FORMALLY ESTABLISHED AS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY IN 1798.
DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, THE CONTINENTAL NAVY SUCCESSFULLY PREYED ON BRITISH MERCHANT SHIPPING AND WON SEVERAL VICTORIES OVER BRITISH WARSHIPS.
TODAY, THE UNITED STATES NAVY CONTINUES AS A BULWARK OF OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE IN SECURITY AND PROJECTS, AMERICAN STRENGTH WORLDWIDE.
I THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY, INCLUDING MY FATHER-IN-LAW, CAPTAIN STANLEY B SCOTT JR.
RETIRED, AND MY UNCLE HARLEY CARLSON.
THANK YOU WI WITH THAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA SIT IN PLACE AND TAKE A PAUSE.
I BELIEVE THE TREASURER IS ON HIS WAY TO GIVE US SOME UH, YES, SIR.
WHEN I WAS ON THE PHONE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, HE WAS COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
SO AS SOON AS HE FINDS A PARKING SPOT, HE SHOULD BE HERE.
SHOULD BE A MATTER OF MINUTES NOW.
NO, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT THAT, UM, MY UNCLE HARLEY, HE WAS A VERY SPECIAL GUY AND HE HAD THREE CHILDREN.
AND, UH, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE GREATEST GENERATION, HE WAS IT OKAY.
UH, AND, BUT HE HAD THREE CHILDREN AND, UM, ONLY ONE OF THEM GOT MARRIED AND SHE ONLY HAD ONE CHILD, AND IT WAS A BOY, BUT THEY DIDN'T NAME HIM HARLEY.
SO WHEN OUR LAST CHILD WAS BORN, AND THEY WERE CLEARLY HIS KIDS WERE DONE HAVING FAMILIES, UM, I ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD ALLOW ME TO NAME MY SON AFTER HIM, AND THEY DID.
AND SO HE'S NOT NAMED AFTER THE MOTORCYCLES
UM, JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW, I THINK IT'S THE 31ST IS THE NIGHT OF THE BIG FOOTBALL GAME.
I WAS, YES, ROCKWELL HEATH ROCK, ROCKWELL HEATH.
AND SO THAT'S COMING UP AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS A HUGE EVENT.
IT'S ALSO HALLOWEEN, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, EVERYONE TO GET OUT AND SUPPORT THEIR TEAM NORTH OR SOUTH.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.
UM, I POSTED LAST NIGHT, UM, ON MY COMMISSIONER PAGE THAT THIS WEEK PROSPER NEIL, WHO IS THE QUARTERBACK FOR ROCKWALL HEATH.
HE LIVES, HE'S A NEIGHBOR OF MINE, LIVES ABOUT TWO OR THREE DOORS DOWN FROM US.
AND HE IS IN THE RUNNING FOR HERO OF THE WEEK, AMONG, AMONG, UM, FOUR OTHER, OTHER QUARTERBACKS, I BELIEVE, BUT FROM OTHER, UM, UM, SCHOOLS, NOT ROCK WALLACE.
SO HE'S THE ONLY ONE REPRESENTING OUR COUNTY.
SO IT'S A VOTE, AND YOU CAN VOTE EVERY HOUR.
I'D HAVE TO LIKE PUT MY TIMER UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR, IF YOUR MOM'S LISTING THEN I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT EVERY HOUR.
HE, HE SHOULD FIVE TOUCHDOWNS, UH, NORTH OF 300 YARDS.
THEY, THEY BEAT, UH, A POWERHOUSE OF NORTH FORNEY.
NORTH FORNEY HAS BEEN JUST RUNNING THROUGH PEOPLE.
HEATH BEAT 'EM IN OVERTIME, 56 TO 55.
SO IT WAS, UH, QUITE, QUITE THE GAME.
SO THIS NEXT GAME, UH, WILL BE REALLY GOOD.
HEATH, ROCKWALL, HEATH VERSUS ROCKWALL WILL BE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GAME.
UM, AND I WILL DO MY TYPICAL STANCE AND
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I HOPE EVERYBODY IS HEALTHY AND SAFE.AND, AND THAT'S AS FAR AS MY PREDICTIONS GO.
NOW, SO COULD WE, THE ROCKWALL, UM, EDUCATE ROCKWALL, UM, ISD EDUCATION FOUNDATION IS GOING TO HAVE A, UM, HAVE A, UM, ON THE 25TH ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER THE 25TH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EVENT, UM, FOR GRADUATES AS WELL AS AS FAMILIES EXISTING RIGHT NOW AT TATE FARMS. AND IT WILL BE, UM, I THINK FROM LIKE FIVE TILL NINE O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, AN EVENT AT TATE FARMS. SO I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THERE ARE, THERE HAS BEEN A TABLE THAT HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED FOR OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT IF WE WANT TO GO SATURDAY THE 25TH OF OCTOBER.
SO IT'S LIKE IN TWO WEEKS, A LITTLE OVER.
BUT YEAH, I, I'LL, I'LL SEND Y'ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, BUT WE DID GET A PERSONAL INVITATION THAT, UM, TWO, TWO, UM, CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, A COMMISSIONER'S COURT TABLE.
YOU, YOU, YOU DID JOG MY MEMORY.
UH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, EARLY VOTING STARTS.
AND, AND NEED TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VOTE AT THE LIBRARY.
YOU WILL HAVE TO COME ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TO THE NEW ANNEX.
UH, AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT, I BELIEVE, MUCH EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF.
UM, SO AGAIN, EARLY VOTING STARTS NEXT MONDAY.
AND AGAIN, THERE'LL BE SIGNAGE UP AT THE LIBRARY, DIRECTING PEOPLE OVER TO THE ANNEX TO, AND WE'LL, WE, AND WE'VE ALREADY PUT SOMETHING OUT, I THINK, HAVEN'T YOU, JIM WANTS, AND WE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO THAT TO KEEP EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF THAT TOO.
'CAUSE I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN CALLS FROM SOME PEOPLE AT THE ANNEX, LIKE, WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PARK
I'M GOING TO, UH, SEND OUT AN EMAIL WITH HOPEFULLY A LITTLE DIRECTION, UH, A REQUEST DURING VOTING OF WHERE TO PARK.
UH, UH, OUR TREASURER IS HERE, MR. PEAK, WHO BRINGS NOTHING BUT GOOD NEWS EVERY TIME HE COMES.
JUDGE, ONE OF MY SUPERPOWERS IS I'M A FOREVER OPTIMIST, SO YES.
MY APOLOGIES FOR HAVING TO STEP OUT.
I HAD TO PICK UP MY SON AT PLANO TODAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, AS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S UH, WE'RE ADJUSTING SOME PAY FOR A, A DEPARTMENT.
AND WE SAID IN THE MOTION THAT IT, IT BE EFFECTIVE IN OUR FIRST PAY PERIOD, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS ONGOING.
NOW, THE AUDITOR THOUGHT WE MAY HAVE ALREADY MISSED THAT PAY PERIOD.
UH, SO WE JUST NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION.
WE'VE WITHDRAWN AND RETRACTED OUR MOTION.
SO WE SIT HERE WITHOUT A MOTION RIGHT NOW.
SO HAVE WE MISSED THE PAY PERIOD OR NO.
SO THIS WEEK IS A, UH, PAY WEEK, RIGHT? UM, MY DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF PROCESSING PAYROLL TODAY AND TOMORROW, UH, TO PAY ALL THE EMPLOYEES ON FRIDAY THE 17TH.
I BELIEVE THAT PAYDAY IS FOR A TWO WEEK PERIOD THAT BRIDGES, UH, THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND THE FIRST, UH, THROUGH
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LAST SATURDAY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE, UH, 11TH.SO IT'LL BE A, A TYPICAL, UH, UH, THREE OR FOUR DAYS OF THE NEW PAY.
IT, IT'D BE A BRIDGE, IT'D BE SOME AT THE OLD RATE AND SOME AT THE NEW.
THE, UH, MAJORITY OF EMPLOYEES THAT RECEIVED A 4% COLA OR SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BAKED IN THAT WAS BUDGETED, THEY'LL BE PAID ON THIS FRIDAY AT THEIR NEW RATE THAT'S BLENDED WITH SOME OF THE OLD, THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.
THE ISSUE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THE PERSONNEL CHANGE NOTICES FOR THE THREE EMPLOYEES IN QUESTION WERE RECEIVED.
HOWEVER, THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WERE NOT BUDGETED.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVED THE PCN, THE THE DOLLARS THERE, THERE WAS ENOUGH DOLLARS BECAUSE THE COUNTY ENGINEER WAS FOREGOING SOME OF THAT SALARY AND SPREADING THAT ACROSS TWO OTHER EMPLOYEES HAD THAT BEEN DONE DURING THE BUDGET AND THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS BY THOSE POSITIONS HAD REFLECTED THAT WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
IN FACT, THE PCNS WOULD'VE MATCHED THAT.
BUT WHEN THE PCNS CAME IN, THEY DID NOT MATCH WHAT HAD BEEN BUDGETED, EVEN THOUGH IN AGGREGATE THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT WAS OKAY.
AND SO IF, IF IT APPEARS THAT THIS SALARY CHANGE WAS NOT BUDGETED, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CHANGED TODAY, AND IF Y'ALL AMEND THE BUDGET OR MOVE MONEY, BUDGET TRANSFERS, HOWEVER IT'S ACCOMPLISHED, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET UNTIL TODAY.
SO THEN THOSE NEW SALARIES, THE COUNTY ENGINEER GOING DOWN SOME AND TWO OTHER EMPLOYEES GOING UP, SOME THAT WOULD BE ACTION TODAY, EFFECTIVE TODAY.
AND WE'D BE IN A PICKLE IF WE TRIED TO GO BACK AND SAY, EFFECTIVE ONE OCTOBER, LET'S MAKE THAT TRUE MOVING FORWARD.
WE CAN MAKE IT TRUE IT UP FROM HERE FORWARD.
BUT GOING BACK TO ONE OCTOBER, THAT'S, THAT'S IN A PICKLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PAYING, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE ADJUSTING SOMEONE'S SALARY AND PAYING THEM FOR HOURS WORKED THAT THEY ALREADY WORKED.
Y'ALL CAN'T COME UP HERE AND TAKE EMPLOYEE 1, 2, 3 AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA PAY YOU, YOU KNOW, WE FELT BAD THAT YOU WERE UNDERPAID FOR ENTIRE FY 2025.
WE WANNA DO A BUDGET TRANSFER AND WE WANNA AMEND THE BUDGET AND GIVE YOU AN EXTRA X DOLLARS FOR WORK ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED.
THAT'S THE PICKLE AND THAT'S THE CONSTRAINTS WE'VE GOT BY THE STATUTES BECAUSE THE STATE DOES NOT WANT ANY GOVERNING BODY PAYING SOMEONE FOR WORK DONE IN THE PAST.
SO GOING FORWARD, THAT DOESN'T CAPTURE EE EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT EMPLOYEES, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY OUR HR DIRECTOR, SHE'S GETTING PAID THIS FRIDAY FOR WORK.
SHE'S ALREADY DONE A A A WEEK AGO.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE TIMING OF THAT PC N THAT HAS CAUSED THE PROBLEM OR NO? WELL, THE, LIKE FOR THE HR DIRECTOR, UM, THAT SALARY WAS BUDGETED AND APPROVED AND PUBLICIZED AND VOTED AND SECONDED AND, AND APPROVED THESE, IT WAS A PC N BY THE COUNTY JUDGE THAT DID NOT HAVE COURT APPROVAL IS WHAT WE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE ON OCTOBER 6TH.
AND THAT'S WHEN I RAISED THE ISSUE AND THAT'S WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THE JUDGE AND THE HR DIRECTOR AND THE AUDITOR AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL, ADDITIONALLY NOT, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY HERE AND WE'RE IN THE WEEDS, I AM NOT SURE, LEMME BACK UP.
COMMISSIONER FOR PRECINCT FOUR OPTS TO TAKE A LESSER SALARY THAN WHAT WOULD BE BUDGETED.
UM, AND HE DOES THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS, A SOURCE, A STATUTE, A PRECEDENT FOR A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, EVEN A DEPARTMENT HEAD, EVEN AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL, EVEN THE COUNTY ENGINEER WHO'S A HIGHLY COMPENSATED EMPLOYEE TO OPT OUT OF A BUDGETED SALARY.
UM, WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IN INGEST THAT IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING PAID TOO MUCH, YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT SALARY, YOU NEED TO PAY THE TAXES ON THAT SALARY, AND THEN YOU CAN DONATE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT WE'RE IN, UM, IN, IN,
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IN SMOOTH WATERS FOR A DEPARTMENT HEAD, A COUNTY ENGINEER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DESCRIBE THAT POSITION, FOREGOING UNILATERALLY, EVEN WITH THE JUDGE'S APPROVAL, UM, FOREGOING A SALARY.SO IT'S JUST KIND OF TRICKY AND THAT'S WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPLAUD THE COURT FOR GETTING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS THROUGH VARIOUS LEVELS OF GNASHING OF TEETH, BUT IT'S GOTTA GET DONE WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE.
THERE ARE MECHANISMS TO AMEND THE BUDGET AND BUDGET TRANSFERS AND ALL THIS FANCY STUFF, BUT IDEALLY THIS NEEDS TO GET DONE AHEAD OF TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH SALARIES BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A LARGE PART OF THE BUDGET.
IT'S SUCH A CRITICAL PART OF WHAT WE DO.
AND IT'S GOTTA BE TRANSPARENT.
AND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR THE AUDITOR OR YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE THREE OF US ARE KIND OF IN SYNC.
THAT THIS IS, THIS IS TRICKY, UH, TO, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
I WILL SAY THIS IS KIND OF A, UM, A, UH, A LIFE VEST.
UH, IF, IF YOU DO THIS, UM, HERE'S, HERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE AND JUMP IN, LISA, IF I GET OUT OVER MY SKIS, IF, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE THIS IN EFFECTIVE NOW, AND THE END GOAL IS FROM ONE OCTOBER TO SEPTEMBER 30 FOR THE ENTIRE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LISTED ON THOSE ORIGINAL PCNS TO BE PAID OUT, THE EXTRA PAID OUT TO THOSE TWO EMPLOYEES AND SOMETHING LESS TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER, WE COULD PRORATE THAT FROM NOW THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING.
AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PICKLE OF TRYING TO SAY WE PAID SOMEBODY POSSIBLY AN ERROR FROM ONE OCTOBER TO 14 OCTOBER.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET THERE.
WE CAN RUN THE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHAT MY DEPARTMENT DOES AND, AND PRORATE THAT.
UM, WELL, THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY MEET YOUR INTENT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, DOING IT NOW AND SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING THE SALARY CHANGE ON OCTOBER 14TH, BUT REALLY IT'S EFFECTIVE OCTOBER ONE.
SO THE, THE WAY YOU SAID, I MEAN, THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING UNLESS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.
UM, SO LET'S JUST HAVE IT ON THE NEXT COURT, JUST MAKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT ON THE NEXT COURT WON THAT JUST SETS THIS RIGHT.
HE JUST WON'T PUT IT INTO, HE WON'T.
SO YOU CAN FIX IT NOW EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 16TH AND I CAN BRING WHATEVER, AND I CAN BRING YOU THE AMENDMENT TO, TO AMEND YOUR BUDGET TO THE PROPER PAY LINES.
AND, AND MY RECOMMENDATION, SINCE AGAIN, THIS IS, HERE WE ARE AND WE'VE GOTTA UPDATE, UH, UPLOAD PAYROLL TOMORROW.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THOSE THREE EMPLOYEES TO GO WITH THE BUDGETED DOLLARS AMOUNT, DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AS WRITTEN IN THE BUDGET, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A 4% COLA FOR THE, THE TWO EMPLOYEES AND GET THAT PAID NOW.
AND THEN WE'LL DO RUN THE NUMBERS PRIOR TO NEXT COURT IF THE COURT WANTS TO PRORATE SO THAT THEY WOULD GET THE FULL DOLLAR AMOUNT BETWEEN ONE OCTOBER TO SEPTEMBER 30, WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT FOR NOW, AT THE 11TH HOUR WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PROCESS PAYROLL AT THE FIRST PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH THE BUDGET OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS, WHICH IS ANY WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER, THERE WAS A BUDGETED INCREASE.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE 26TH OF THE TOTAL AND THEN WE'LL BACK OFF OF THAT MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN FOR THOSE TWO EMPLOYEES IT WOULD INCLUDE A, A 4% COLA AS I UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST THAT BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE COURT ONCE WE RUN THE NUMBERS AND GET THAT SQUARED AWAY BETWEEN THE AUDITORS, MY OFFICE AND HR.
WELL, W WHEN DOES YOUR PAY PERIOD START YOUR NEXT ONE? THE NEXT PAY PERIOD IS ALREADY GOING NOW IT STARTED SUNDAY AT MIDNIGHT.
IT GOES TILL WHEN? IT WOULD GO TILL SATURDAY A WEEK FROM NOW, WHICH WOULD BE THE 25TH TILL SATURDAY THE 25TH.
SO WE COULD START SUNDAY THE 26TH, ADJUST, DO THIS PAYROLL CHANGE NOTICE PCN AS THEY CALL IT IN THE TRADE, AND DO IT EFFECTIVE AS OF 12:01 AM OCTOBER 26TH AND BE DONE WITH THIS NOW THE PER FOR THE RE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
WHAT DO YOU WANT IT PRORATED? PRORATED, SIR? UH, OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO START? I I I THINK FOR WE'VE GOTTEN OURSELVES INTO, OR NOT GOTTEN OURSELVES
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INTO THE SITUATION AROSE LATER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD'VE DEALT WITH IT.NOTHING, NOBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE RATHER THAN GO BACK AND DOING ALL THE PRORATION, THE SIMPLEST THING TO ME IS JUST SAY LET'S MAKE IT EFFECTIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT PAY PERIOD.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE EASIEST.
SO THE, THE, THE EMPLOYEES IN QUESTION WOULD GET THEIR 4% COLA THIS FRIDAY, THEY'D GET WHAT THEIR PAY WAS PLUS 4% COR CORRECT.
AND THEN, AND THEN STARTING AND THEN THE NEXT PAY PERIOD, ONE OF 'EM WOULD GET A REDUCTION THAT THEY AGREED TO.
THE OTHER TWO WOULD GET STARTING OCTOBER 26TH AT 12:01 AM THE OC THE IT WOULD ADJUST AND THEN, SO ACTUALLY THE NEXT, THE NEXT PAYCHECK WOULD BE THE SAME AS THIS ONE.
EFFECTIVELY THERE'S 25 DAYS WHERE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE ADJUSTMENT THEY WERE HOPING TO GET AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION LEAD.
AND SO I CAN JUST SAY I WANT THE SALARIES ADJUSTED AS THEY'RE HERE STARTING OCTOBER 26TH, 2025.
AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY ENGINEER WOULD, WOULD BE TAKING THE FULL BUDGETED DOLLAR AMOUNT OF HER PAY AND THEN ON THE 25TH IT WOULD STOP AND IT WOULD GO BACK TO HER PAY FROM 2025.
IS THAT THE WAY YOU SEE IT PEAK? YEAH.
THAT WAY THAT THERE'S A CLEAN BREAK AT THE END OF THE PAY PERIOD FOR ALL THREE EMPLOYEES AND WE CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT ZEROES OUT AS CLOSE TO A PENNY OR TWO BY THE TIME SEPTEMBER 30 HITS.
I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO, UM, VENTURE A GUESS OUTTA MOTION.
UM, AND THEN AFTER I'M DONE WITH MY MOTION, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM SLOW ROLL IT IS.
AND THEN BEFORE WE GET A SECOND, SO I MOVE THAT THE COURT APPROVE THE PERSONNEL CHANGE FORM SUBMITTED FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO 1 53, 600 ANNUALLY, THE HEALTH COORDINATOR TO 81,293 ANNUALLY AND THE GIS ANALYST TO $72,000 ANNUALLY.
AND FOR THIS CHANGE TO BECOME EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 26TH, 2025.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SECOND.
GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANA.
I STILL DON'T SEE ANY CONVULSIONS OR ANYTHING.
SO WE ARE GOING TO REGISTER OUR VOTES NOW AND IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
WITH THAT, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW ANYTHING ELSE TO HAPPEN.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY AT 1249 WE'RE ADJOURNED.