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          [A) INVOCATION; Lorne Liechty]
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          HONOR OF THE TEXAS FLAG AND MY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. 
          ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          [a. Proclamation - declaring February 2026 as Teen Dating Violence Awareness Month in Rockwall County, Texas]
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO RECOGNITION AND PRESENTATION WOMEN IN NEED. 
          MS. KRISTEN OSTERTAG IS WITH US TODAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE FEBRUARY, 2026 AS TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          SO, MS. KRISTEN, WOULD YOU CARE TO SAY A WORD? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          ON THE BEHALF OF WOMEN IN NEED, I WANNA THANK, UH, JUDGE FRANK NEW, AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS FOR RECOGNIZING FEBRUARY AS TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. 
          THIS PROCLAMATION REFLECTS STRONG LEADERSHIP AND COMMITMENT TO THE, FROM THE COUNTY SIDE THAT SHOWS THAT CHILDREN, TEENS, AND YOUTH DON'T HAVE TO STAND IN SILENCE, BUT THAT THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          RAISING AWARENESS LIKE THIS, TAKING A STAND ENSURES OUR YOUTH KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTED, AND WE'RE DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP TO THE SURVIVORS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND FOR WOMEN IN NEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. 
          YOU BET. 
          ALL RIGHT, 
          [b. Employee of the Quarter/Fourth Quarter 2025: Jennifer Turnbaugh - Sheriff's Office]
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER, CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT. 
          AND CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT IS NOT THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER. 
          HE'S BRINGING WITH HIM. 
          JENNIFER TURNBALL. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, JUDGE . 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE NEW FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR VERY VALUABLE EMPLOYEES AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UH, JENNIFER TURNBALL. 
          UH, JENNIFER CAME TO US IN 2017, SO SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR A WHILE. 
          SHE CAME TO US FIRST AS A DETENTION OFFICER. 
          SHE WENT THROUGH THE ACADEMY. 
          SHE WENT THROUGH THE TRAINING PROGRAM, AND ONCE SHE WAS CUT LOOSE, FROM WHAT I HEAR, SHE QUICKLY BEGAN TO SHOWCASE SOME OF HER SKILLS. 
          SHE WAS A RISING STAR. 
          UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT HER IS THAT SHE WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL, VERY KIND, WHICH IS, UH, I THINK A, A VERY UNUSUAL WORD TO USE FOR A DETENTION OFFICER, BUT VERY KIND, VERY FRIENDLY. 
          UM, SHE'S VERY DILIGENT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT ABOUT HER IS THAT SHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP THE OTHER EMPLOYEES. 
          AND SHE DID A LOT OF THAT. 
          EVEN IN HER OFF TIME, SHE COULD BE SEEN AROUND THE DETENTION FACILITIES, HELPING OTHER EMPLOYEES. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT. 
          UH, IN 2023, SHE DECIDED THAT SHE WANTED TO MAKE THE MOVE OVER TO A SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          SHE WAS HIRED AS A, A, A DEPUTY. 
          SHE WENT THROUGH THE ACADEMY AND THROUGH THE FTO TRAINING, AND ONCE AGAIN, SHE BEGAN TO PROVE HERSELF, UH, AS A SHINING STAR, A RISING STAR, AN EMPLOYEE THAT COULD BE COUNTED ON. 
          UM, JENNIFER QUICKLY BEGAN TO LEAD IN STATISTICS AMONG THE OFFICERS, UH, AS A NEW EMPLOYEE, AS A NEW DEPUTY. 
          UH, I'M VERY PROUD OF HER FOR THAT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT, UH, TO ME IS THAT SHE LEADS IN A VERY IMPORTANT CATEGORY THAT SOMETIMES DEPUTIES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS STARE AWAY FROM, STEER AWAY FROM. 
          AND THAT'S DWI, ARREST AND INVESTIGATIONS, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE, THEY CAN BE RATHER LENGTHY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT HAS TO BE PROCESSED. 
          BUT JENNIFER HAS, UH, GONE OUT THERE AND SHE'S TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN, UH, AN ACCIDENT INVOLVING A DWI OR HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S BEEN THE VICTIM OF A DWI DRIVER, THEN YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. 
          AND I'M VERY PROUD OF JENNIFER DUKE FOR DOING THAT, FOR LEADING THE AGENCY IN THAT STATISTIC IN 2025 AND ALREADY IN 2026. 
          SO, CONGRATULATIONS, UH, JENNIFER TURNBALL FOR BEING RECOGNIZED AS DEPUTY, UM, AND EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER. 
          THIS? YES. 
          OH, IS THERE MONEY INVOLVED? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU, DEPUTY TURNBALL. 
          [1. PUBLIC FORUM: (This is the public's opportunity to address the Commissioners Court about County matters. During this meeting, the Commissioners Court will not discuss, consider or take action on any item not included on this meeting's agenda. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during the Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)]
ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC FORUM. 
          THIS IS PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS. 
          NO ONE SIGNED UP, BUT THAT DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING. 
          IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, IF YOU COULD JUST HEAD THIS WAY, RAISE YOUR HAND 
          [2. Discuss/ Act on updates of the Strategic Plan 2050 Implementation Management Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]
SCENE, NO ONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER M**K, 
          [00:05:01]
THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA PUNT THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT TO KAMIE, BUT I WANTED TO FIRST THANK EACH OF YOU ON THE COURT WITH ME FOR MEETING WITH CAMIE AND WITH JIM IF, IF, IF HE WAS INVOLVED IN YOUR MEETINGS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE, WE'VE REALLY BEGAN TO SEE THE MOMENTUM OF THE IMPLEMENTATION AND WHEN WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS LIVE AND START SHARING OUR, OUR STATUS AND OUR UPDATES WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT THANK EACH OF YOU FOR, FOR THAT. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAVE OUR, A MEETING TOMORROW THAT I BELIEVE EVERYONE IS ON THIS COURT WILL BE THERE AS WELL AS YOUR, YOUR, SOME OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS ON YOUR TEAMS AS WELL. 
          UM, CAMMY WILL BE MAKING THAT PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK SHE WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, I, I CAN START GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SPECIFIC UPDATE, UM, DURING COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          UH, SO AS COMMISSIONER LIK MENTIONED, UM, THE GOAL OWNERS, UH, HAVE STARTED MEETING WITH THEIR TEAMS AND DELEGATING SOME RESPONSIBILITIES AS FAR AS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH INITIATIVE AND TASK, AND, UM, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENTERING THAT DATA INTO INVISIO, WHICH IS THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE FOR OUR PUBLIC DASHBOARD THAT IS NOT LIVE YET, BUT IT'S IT'S VERY SOON IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AS ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE ATTAINED, THOSE ARE, UM, BEING ENTERED INTO INVISIO. 
          AND AS COMMISSIONER M**K MENTIONED, THE FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING WILL BE TOMORROW WITH THE GOAL OWNERS. 
          UH, OUR QUARTERLY MEETING WAS TO BE HELD TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT IT'S BEEN DELAYED BY THE WEATHER. 
          UM, SO IT WILL NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE TEAM MEMBERS. 
          IT WILL JUST BE THE GOAL OWNERS AND THEIR TEAM MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN CLOSELY INVOLVED, UM, SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF THIS PLAN. 
          AND AT FUTURE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WILL INCLUDE ALL TEAM MEMBERS, BUT THIS FIRST ONE WILL BE A SMALLER GROUP. 
          SO THE GOAL OF TOMORROW'S MEETING IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND, UM, UNDERSTANDS THEIR NEXT STEPS, AND THAT EVERYONE STARTS THE HABIT OF ENTERING THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS INTO INVISIO, UM, AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT APRIL IS THE GO LIVE DATE. 
          SO, AS FAR AS OUR PUBLIC DASHBOARD, UM, THE PIO AND I HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT THAT PUBLIC DASHBOARD LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S STARTING TO LOOK VERY COLORFUL, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. 
          UM, THAT MEANS THAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE BEING ENTERED AND WE'RE SEEING PROGRESS. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE END OF MY UPDATE. 
          I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION NEXT TIME AFTER OUR MEETING TOMORROW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, KAMI. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? 
          [3. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM ADDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER GOANA, SAL'S ON THE WAY UP. 
          WE ARE, UH, WE'RE CLOSE. 
          I THINK WE EVEN HAVE, UH, YOU STARTED TO MOVE YOUR STUFF IN KEN. 
          YEP. 
          SO FEW UPDATES. 
          FURNITURE, UH, WAS MOSTLY DELIVERED YESTERDAY AS THE FINAL DELIVERY. 
          WE HAD ONE ITEM THAT WAS, UH, DAMAGED IN SHIPPING, SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, UM, SENT IN LATER. 
          UH, BUT THEY DID DO A TEMPORARY DESK IN THAT OFFICE FOR NOW. 
          SO, UM, FURNITURE IS NEARLY COMPLETE. 
          99% THERE, JUST THE ONE DESK, UM, SIGNAGE WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED OR STARTED TO BE INSTALLED THIS MORNING AS WELL. 
          SO ROOM SIGNAGE WILL BE, UM, PLACED ON, UH, FROM OR REMOVE, MOVING IT FROM THE FOURTH FLOOR TO THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THEN ADDING THE NEW SIGNAGE ONTO THE, UH, THE FOURTH FLOOR, UM, TO, TO INFILL THAT SPOT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALSO COMPLETED, SHOULD BE COMPLETED THIS WEEK. 
          UM, WE HAVE TWO PCOS, UM, THAT ARE IN ARCHITECT REVIEW RIGHT NOW. 
          ONE'S FOR, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL AV EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT'S A ROCKWALL COUNTY, UM, REQUESTED, PCO. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR, UM, SOME MORE EQUIPMENT FOR THE, UH, THE BREAK AREAS THERE. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE JUST DEDUCTIVE THAT, UH, THAT ROCKWELL COUNTY IS ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK TO PAY FOR THAT STUFF IS ALL, UM, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION WAS SIGNED, UH, FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE AT COURT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THERE'S JUST A FEW HANDFUL ITEMS LEFT FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO GET, TO GET, UH, CLEANED UP, AND THEY'LL BE OUTTA THERE AS WELL. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD, SAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL 
          [4. Discuss/ Act on updates and progress related to the American Rescue Plan monies and the County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AN ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES AND THE COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH. 
          UM, THE BROADEST LETTER WAS ON YOUR DESK WHEN YOU SAT DOWN. 
          UM, THE SCOPE OF WORK IS DONE, UH, FOR THEM. 
          WE HAVE A, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER, 71, WHICH IS A 40, BASICALLY ALMOST A $46,000 CREDIT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE PAY APPS ARE IN OUR BILLS. 
          SO WHAT'S, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UH, THE CO WHICH IS THE FINAL ORDER, AND THE AUDIT WILL BE ON OUR NEXT COURT, AND THEN THAT PROJECT 
          [00:10:01]
WILL 100% BE DONE. 
          SO IT WILL BE DONE ON OUR NEXT COURT. 
          UM, I, I, WE COULD HAVE DONE IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT I KIND OF WANTED ALL THE PAY APPS TO GO OUT AND EVERYTHING PROCESSED SO THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY CLOSE IT, IT'S CLOSED. 
          SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO BROADUS HAS DONE THEIR PART. 
          THE, UH, THE AUDITOR HAS DONE THEIR PART, AND HILLA WILKINSON HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY FINISHED, AND IT'S JUST A PAPERWORK PROCESS AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION, IS THE PAPERWORK PROCESS, SO THAT THAT'S, YEAH, AND WE, AND I HAVE IT. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE THE CO AND I HAVE THE AUDIT. 
          GOOD. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL WE APPROVE ALL THE PAYOUTS, ALL THE PAYMENTS. 
          ALL THE PAYMENTS. 
          SO I WAS GONNA LET ALL THAT GO THROUGH. 
          AND THEN ON THE NEXT COURT, WE'LL HAVE OUR FINAL CHANGE ORDER, UM, WHICH WILL BE ABOUT 3.7 MILLION UNDER BUDGET. 
          AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR AUDIT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY? ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 
          [5. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff's remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
EFFORTS. 
          UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS AN ACT ON SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER, STACY AND NICO'S, GONNA TAKE THIS ONE. 
          GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 
          MORNING, NICO. 
          UH, THIS UPDATE WILL BE PRETTY BRIEF TODAY. 
          UM, THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT ON IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION SAFETY. 
          THE GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          UH, THERE ARE NO, NO INCIDENTS ON SITE TO DATE, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT UP. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE BUDGET, THERE'S REALLY NO UPDATE, UM, STILL PROJECTING ON THE COST TABLE THROUGH PAY APP NUMBER SIX. 
          UH, WE'VE CURRENTLY APPROVED THROUGH PAY APP NUMBER FOUR AND ARE WORKING ON REVIEWING PAY APP FIVE AND STICK STILL AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, NO PCOS FOR THIS, THIS COURT, THERE WILL BE SOME ON THE NEXT COURT. 
          I'VE LISTED THOSE, UH, PCO 12, 14, AND 15. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN EXPECT THOSE. 
          ALL OF THOSE WILL BE ZERO COST CHANGE ORDERS, AND I BELIEVE ONE, UH, WILL, ONLY ONE WILL BE HITTING THE CONTINGENCY. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET? UH, WE'RE STILL ROUGHLY 40% COMPLETE WITH THE PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME ISSUES WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS AND DESIGN CHANGES, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY DELAYING US, UH, UNTIL I HAVE A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT THE SCHEDULE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF COMPLETION AND WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP, UH, I, I'LL NOT REPORT ON IT, UH, UNTIL, UNTIL IT'S CLEAR. 
          SO, UH, JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME DELAYS AND TRYING TO, UH, GET A GOOD DATE FOR YOU GUYS. 
          UH, PROCUREMENT WISE, THE PANEL BOARDS ARE ONE OF THE PROCUREMENT ITEMS THAT ARE, ARE HOLDING US UP. 
          UH, WE'RE HOPING TO, TO GET THOSE SOON. 
          WE, UH, THE LIGHT FIXTURES IS ANOTHER ONE. 
          UM, HEY, NICO, WHAT IS THE PANEL BOARD? THE PANEL BOARD IS THE ELECTRICAL PANELS WITH ALL THE CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN IT. 
          YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S ONLY ONE NEW ONE FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONNECTING TO EXISTING AS WELL. 
          UM, NO NEW DRAWINGS TO REPORT ON. 
          EXTERIOR SIGNAGE IS GETTING CLOSER. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON ORDERING THE F UH, THE FURNITURE. 
          IT'LL BE SPLIT INTO TWO PACKAGES, THE FIRST FURNITURE ORDER. 
          HOPEFULLY, UH, WE WILL HAVE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, UH, PLACED. 
          UH, AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION THERE, AS I MENTIONED, THE ACTIVITY HAS KIND OF SLOWED, UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON ACOUSTICAL CEILINGS THROUGHOUT, AS WELL AS, UH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT WAS POURED LAST WEEK, UM, AND JUST KINDA ODDS AND ENDS HERE AND HEARING OUT, UH, THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN KIND OF TRY AND STAY BUSY. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR UPDATE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR NICO? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, NICO. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANKS GUYS. 
          APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. 
          [6. Discussion and presentation of Texas PACE Program by the Texas PACE Authority, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION OF TEXAS PACE PROGRAM BY THE TEXAS PACE AUTHORITY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER ALANA, WE HAVE STEVE MINNICK HERE TODAY TO GIVE US A, UH, PRESENTATION AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND, UH, WE'LL GET ROLLING. 
          STEVE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          OH, YOU BET. 
          LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS WORK. 
          WE'VE GOT OUR IT SAVIOR HERE NEXT TO YOU. 
          IS IT NOT A TOUCH SCREEN? THERE YOU GO. 
          ALRIGHT, ADVANCE IT. 
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OKAY. 
          WELL, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. 
          NEW COMMISSIONERS IT GREAT TO BE HERE. 
          GREAT TO SEE YOU. 
          NEW WILL FACES AGAIN. 
          COMMISSIONER MCCALL. 
          UH, I'M STEVEN MINICK. 
          I REPRESENT THE TEXAS PACE AUTHORITY. 
          I'M A PROGRAM DIRECTOR THERE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER MCCALL, I GO BACK A LONG WAY. 
          SHE WAS ON THE BOARD AT TAB WHEN I WAS THE VP THERE, AND WE AGGRESSIVELY SUPPORTED THIS PROGRAM IN THE, IN THE LEGISLA LEGISLATURE BACK IN 2013. 
          SO MAYBE SOME OF THIS WON'T BE QUITE SO NEW FOR, FOR SOME OF YOU. 
          UM, THE TEXAS FAITH DOOR IS A NONPROFIT 5 0 1 C3. 
          OUR PURPOSE, THE ONLY REASON WE EXIST IS TO ADMINISTER PACE PROGRAMS ON BEHALF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UM, WE CURRENTLY ADMINISTER 110 DIFFERENT LOCAL PACE PROGRAMS IN TEXAS. 
          WE COVER PROBABLY 78% OF THE POPULATION. 
          WE HAVE TO DATE ACCOUNTED FOR 625 SOME MILLION DOLLARS OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN LOCAL PROJECTS THAT CONSERVE WATER AND CONSERVE ENERGY WITHIN LOCAL COMMUNITIES, ALL WITHOUT COSTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS A SINGLE PENNY. 
          THIS IS A ONE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL THAT YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE IN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT HAS NO RISK TO YOU AT ALL, NO COST TO YOU AT ALL. 
          PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PARTICIPATE ARE THE ONES THAT PAY THE COST. 
          WE ADMINISTERED THE PROGRAM WITH THEM PAYING US. 
          SO YOU HAVE NO EXPOSURE WHATSOEVER IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S THE, THE WHY WHY I HEAR FROM EVERY COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND CITY COUNCIL I TALK TO IS THE FIRST RESPONSE IS, WELL, THAT'S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 
          WELL, IT, IT IS GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 
          IT ACTUALLY WORKS. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY. 
          THIS IS JUST A LIST OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT. 
          WE, WE DO HAVE A, A, A VERY EXCELLENT BOARD OF PEOPLE WITH WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE TO GUIDE US. 
          WE HAVE OVER OUR STAFF, OUR, OUR VERY SMALL LEAN STAFF, OVER 110 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED AND ASHLEY AS A LEADER IN PACE ADMINISTRATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          SO WHAT IS PACE? IF YOU ARE A COMMERCIAL POP OWNER, PRIVATE POP OWNER, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR INSTITUTIONAL, AND YOU'VE GOT A 25-YEAR-OLD BUILDING AND THE UTILITY BILLS ARE KILLING YOU, AND YOU HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN AND EVALUATE YOUR BUILDING, AND THEY SAY, I CAN SAVE YOU HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN UTILITY COSTS. 
          IF YOU'LL SPEND $7 MILLION ON IMPROVEMENTS, NEW HVAC, NEW INSTALLATION, NEW WINDOWS, THE WHOLE WHOLE BALL WAX. 
          IF I GO TO MY BANKER AND SAY, I NEED TO BORROW $7 MILLION, THIS FIRST QUESTION'S GOING TO BE, HOW LONG DO YOU PLAN ON OWNING THAT BUILDING? WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THEN HOW CAN I EXTEND CREDIT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T KNOW MY COLLATERAL? IT'S GONNA BE IN YOUR HANDS. 
          WHAT, WHAT IF IF YOU DEFAULT, WHAT I DO? TAKE THE HVACS OFF THE ROOF, PULL THE WINDOWS OUT, THAT DOESN'T WORK. 
          AND SO IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL LENDING TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS. I THINK IT WAS THE BUILDING OWNERS AND MANAGERS ASSOCIATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, ESTIMATED THAT THE, THAT THE NET VALUE OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON COMMERCIAL BUILDING STOCK IN THIS COUNTRY WAS RAPIDLY EXCEEDING $2 TRILLION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO STRUCTURE TRADITIONAL FINANCING THAT ADDRESSES THIS PROBLEM. 
          BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT A GOING CONCERN, I'VE GOT STAFF TO PAY, I'VE GOT PRODUCTS DEVELOPED, I'VE GOT ADVERTISING TO PAY FOR, HOW DO I DIVERT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MY CURRENT REVENUE TO IMPROVE MY BUILDING WITHOUT HURTING MY BUSINESS, MY ABILITY TO COMPETE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M GONNA BE SAVING MYSELF A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PACE IS, IS, IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS BENEFITS COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND PRIVATE INSTITUTIONAL POPULAR OWNERS. 
          AND IT IS A LOAN STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS WITHOUT HARMING YOURSELF AS FAR AS CURRENT CASH FLOW AS YOU GO FORWARD. 
          THE KEY ONE, ONE OF THE KEYS TO THIS PROGRAM IS WHAT THE LEGISL LEGISLATURE DID IN 2013, WHICH IS TO TIE THE PAYMENT OF THE LOAN TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF, NOT TO THE OWNER. 
          YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR OTHER TYPES OF DISTRICTS WHERE YOU JOINTLY FINANCE COMMON PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO HOUSTON, THE INTERSECTION OF POST OAK AND WESTHEIMER, THE GALLERIA AREA, ALL THE FANCY STAINLESS STEEL ARCHES OVER THE INTERSECTIONS, ALL THE LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ALL PAID THROUGH BY CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING THAT ONE PART OF TOWN TO MAKE IT IDENTIFIABLE AND UNIQUE. 
          ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS PAY AND ASSESSMENT, IT'S TIED TO THEIR PROPERTY PACE WORKS THE SAME WAY, EXCEPT WE AVOID ALL THE PROPERTY TAX IMPLICATIONS OF PS PACE IS, IS LIKE A, A ONE BUILDING PIT. 
          THE OWNER BURDENS HIS OWN PROPERTY VOLUNTARILY IS AN EXERCISE OF ITS FREE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO BURDEN THAT PROPERTY WITH A CONTINUAL ASSESSMENT THAT TIES THE PAYMENT OF THAT LOAN TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          SO IF I SELL THE BUILDING, THE LENDER DOESN'T CARE, THE NEW OWNER ASSUMES THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO THAT OBLIGATION CONTINUES IN, IN TERMS OF LOAN SECURITY, THAT, THAT, THAT LENDER KNOWS WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A DEED OBLIGATION TIED TO THAT'S RECORDED IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING OWNERS, UH, LENDERS LOOK TO AND AND LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF, OF LOAN SECURITY. 
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SO WHAT'S THE VALUE TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT? THIS IS A VOLUNTARY, UM, UNLIKE A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, AND UNLIKE A LOT OF ENERGY AND OTHER RESOURCE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THIS IS TOTALLY FREE, UH, FREE MARKET, TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. 
          YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT THIS PROGRAM OR NOT. 
          PROPERTY OWNERS IN YOUR JURISDICTION CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT. 
          BUT PACE IS GUARANTEED TO SAVE MONEY. 
          UNLIKE A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT PUT PROMISES OUT THERE. 
          PACE IS AN INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFIED PROGRAM. 
          IF YOU HAVE A PACE PROJECT THAT WE QUALIFY AS AN ADMINISTRATOR, A LICENSED ENGINEER QUALIFIED TO SAY SO HAS TO PUT HIS SEAL ON THOSE PLANS TO GUARANTEE THE LENDER AND YOU THAT THAT PROJECT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GENERATE MORE IN SAVINGS THAN THE PROJECT COST, OR AT LEAST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE THAN THE PROJECT COST. 
          IF YOU CAN'T MEET THAT UPFRONT OBLIGATION, YOU DON'T GET TO PLAY THERE. 
          THERE ARE NO PACE PROJECTS THAT HAVE, DON'T HAVE THAT SERIAL CERTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE, AT LEAST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE PROJECT COSTS. 
          AND THERE'S AN OWNER, YOU GET TO FINANCE ALL THE UPFRONT COSTS AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PACE PROJECTS WHO HAVE NO UPFRONT COST WHATSOEVER, NO OUT-OF-POCKET COST, WHO ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE IN SAVINGS THAN THEIR PROJECT COST AND PUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR POCKET. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S AN ECONOMIC EXAMPLE TO 'EM. 
          THAT'S HARD TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS THAT, THAT SECURELY. 
          NOW GRANTED, IT'S LIMITED. 
          WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE TELL US, WELL, IF YOU JUST LOOSEN UP THE REQUIREMENTS OR CHANGE THE STANDARDS, I, I'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT IT'S ALMOST, IT ALMOST PAYS FOR ITSELF. 
          THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. 
          IN PASSING THE STATUTE, THE LEGISLA LEGISLATURE WAS INSISTENT, WE WANT THIS PROGRAM TO IMPOSE ZERO COST AND ZERO RISK ON OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 
          AND WE WANT TO PROVE THAT THE PROJECTS ARE COST EFFECTIVE. 
          AND SO IT IS SORT OF SELECTIVE. 
          IT IS LIMITED, IT'S NOT WIDE OPEN. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT PAYS FOR ITSELF, YOU DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE. 
          NOW, WE'LL HELP YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT IF WE CAN IN TERMS OF TECHNICAL MAYOR OF THE PROJECT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO SECURE AND THAT'S WHY IT WORKS SO WELL. 
          SO WHAT'S YOUR ROLE? THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP. 
          IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A PRIVATE LENDER, A PRIVATE CAPITAL PROVIDER. 
          AGAIN, NO GOVERNMENT FUNDS WHATSOEVER. 
          AND WE AS, AS YOUR AGENT, AS AN ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PROGRAM, UM, THESE, THESE ARE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS. 
          SO THERE'S LOTS OF CONTRACTS INVOLVED, LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, INITIAL HERE, SIGN HERE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          WE HANDLE ALL OF THAT. 
          IT IMPOSES NO COST WHATSOEVER ON ANY KIND OF STAFF AT ALL. 
          THE ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THOUGH, THAT, THAT, THAT BINDS YOU AND I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN IN SOME DETAIL WHAT WHAT IT MEANS. 
          'CAUSE IT KIND OF SCARES SOME PEOPLE. 
          YOU AGREE IN, IN THE EVENT THERE'S A DEFAULT, YOU AGREE TO LEND TO THE LENDER, YOUR PROPERTY TAX ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY, WHOEVER, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHO, WHO DOES YOUR PROPERTY TAX ENFORCEMENT LINE. 
          OKAY, WELL, LINEBERGER IS ALL OVER THE, WE, WE, WE DEAL WITH LINEBERGER ALL, ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY LINEBERGER WOULD STEP IN IN THE EVENT DEFAULT, AND THEY WOULD THEN COLLECT THE, YOUR PROCESS OF DEFAULT JUST AS IF YOU WERE A PROPERTY TAX. 
          NOW, IT'S NOT A PROPERTY TAX. 
          THERE'S NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY TAXES WHATSOEVER. 
          THESE ASSESSMENTS DON'T SHOW UP ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL. 
          THEY DO IN SOME STATES, THAT WAS A MISTAKE. 
          WE DIDN'T, WE, WE CHOSE NOT TO MAKE EARLY ON BECAUSE WE WANT NO CONFUSION ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY WOULD USE THEIR, THEIR ENFORCEMENT PROCESS TO SECURE THAT, THAT LOAN. 
          THE, THE FACT IS, A DEFAULT ON A PAY LOAN IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. 
          THESE ARE MUCH MORE SECURE LOANS. 
          THE, THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE CAPITAL PREPARATION FOR THOSE PROJECTS HAVE NO INCENTIVE WHATSOEVER TO SEE THESE PROJECTS GO UNDER. 
          THESE ARE NON RECOURSE, NON UH, ACCELERATING LOANS. 
          THE ONLY THING YOU'RE COLLECTING ARE THE PAST DUE PAYMENTS. 
          THE LOAN DOES NOT ACCELERATE. 
          UNLIKE A, A TRADITIONAL, UH, REAL ESTATE LOAN, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 10 YEARS. 
          WE JUST PASSED A $625 BILLION CAPITAL MARK. 
          WE'VE GOT PROJECTS IN THE WORKS THAT I BELIEVE WILL PUSH THIS THING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS VERY, VERY SHORTLY. 
          WE HAVE YET TO HAVE A DEFAULT. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE NEVER HAD A LATE PAYMENT. 
          WE HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, ALL THE GUYS THAT ARE IN THE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, EQUITY PARTNERS, THEY GET TOGETHER AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GONNA FIX THIS? AND YOU END UP REFINANCING IT. 
          THE, THE SENIOR PARTNER WILL BUY OUT THE, THE, THE LOAN AND, AND, AND FIX THE DEFAULT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NO INCENTIVE WHATSOEVER TO HAVE THIS THING GO, GO SOUTH ON YOU. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THEY OBLIGATION TO PARTICIPATE AND LEND YOUR ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY TO THE PROJECT, IS THERE, IT'S NEVER BEEN USED YET. 
          IT, I'M SURE AT SOME POINT IT WILL AND SOMETHING WILL GO SOUTH ON, ON ONE OF THESE THINGS. 
          BUT REMEMBER, WHAT'S KEY HERE IS THESE ARE NOT, THESE ARE NOT MONIES DUE TO THE COUNTY. 
          THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE COLLECTION DOESN'T IMPACT YOU AT ALL. 
          YOU'RE SIMPLY AGREEING IS A COURTESY TO EXTEND YOUR CAPACITY AS A ENFORCER TO THE LENDER TO, TO TRY TO RECOVER THAT LOAN AND MAKE IT WHOLE. 
          SO THAT, THAT REALLY BEYOND JUST BEING A PARTICIPANT, THAT'S THE ONLY REALLY OBLIGATION. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT HOW, HOW THE, WE HAVE 110 CURRENT COUNTIES AND CITIES TOGETHER. 
          WE COVER 78% OF THE POPULATION. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S A, UM, 
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INTERESTING DISPERSAL. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE THE TRANS CUS COUNTIES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH BOUTIQUE HOTELS GOING OUT IN THE BIG BEND AREA. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT THE, WHAT I CALL THE GROWTH CORRIDOR OF TEXAS RUNNING FROM NORTHEAST TEXAS ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH, UH, UH, I THREE FIVE CORRIDOR, BELL, BELL WILLIAMSON, TRAVIS, BE, UH, HAYES COUNTY, AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA HAS BEEN HUGE FOR US. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU EXPECT THAT THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH HERE. 
          SO MUCH, SO MUCH POPULATION DENSITY. 
          BUT DALLAS AND AND TARRANT COUNTY ARE BOTH MAKING HUGE, UH, USES OF PACE AND THEY CONSIDER THEM KEY PARTS OF THEIR ECONOMIC ECONOMIC BELMONT PROGRAMS. IF YOU GO TO DALLAS AND SAY, I'VE, I'VE GOT A PROJECT, I NEED SOME HELP IN TERMS OF TAX INCOME AND FINANCING OR TAX ABATEMENT, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA ASK YOU IS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT PACE FIRST? AND THEY WENT, WELL, NO. 
          SAID WHY, WHY WOULD I DO THAT? 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T COST US ANYTHING. 
          WE'LL BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S, LET'S CHECK OFF THE BOX THAT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING BEFORE WE LOOK AT PUTTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THE TABLE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE GROWTH OF THE PROGRAM. 
          THIS SHOWS YOU, THIS IS ACTUALLY LAST YEAR'S SLIDE. 
          UH, THE BAR CHART HERE, WE JUST PASSED $625 MILLION. 
          BUT YOU CAN SEE THE RATE OF GROWTH IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S EXPONENTIAL. 
          AND IN 2026, WE'VE GOT SOME PROJECTS THAT THEY COME TO FRUITION THAT, THAT LAST BAR WILL BE OFF THE CHART HERE. 
          'CAUSE, UH, THIS IS A WORD OF MOUTH PROGRAM SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS. 
          PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT IT. 
          THEY SAY, WELL, GOT DOWN THE STREET, JUST DISTRICT RESTORE A WHOLE HOTEL AND LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE RESTOR HOTEL PROJECT THAT NOW HAS SEVEN NEW BUSINESSES AROUND IT. 
          SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST IN DALLAS AND TARRANT AND HARRIS AND, AND BAYER COUNTY OR TRAVIS COUNTY EITHER. 
          UM, WACO IN MCCLENNAN COUNTY HAS DONE MORE ON A PER CAPITA BASIS WITH PACE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTY BY FAR IN TEXAS. 
          WORD HAS SPREAD. 
          THEY'VE SEEN SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS. 
          AND THESE ONE SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AFTER ANOTHER. 
          THERE'S BEEN FAR MORE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN WACO THAN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A PLE POPULATION. 
          FAR MORE INVESTMENT IN WACO THAN IN TRAVIS COUNTY. 
          ALL BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THE SUCCESS AND THEY BUILD ON IT. 
          SO, SO HOW DOES PACE WORK? WE TALKED ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE, THE FINANCING STRUCTURE AND THE LEFT CHART THERE, YOU SEE THE RE THE REPAYMENT. 
          IF I'VE GOT A LOAN THAT I HAVE TO PAY OFF BEFORE I BEGIN TO REALIZE MY BENEFITS, THE SHORTER, THE SHORTER TERM TO PAY OUT, THE QUICKER I WANNA PAY OFF, THE MORE IT COSTS ME UP FRONT. 
          THAT ORANGE PART THERE, THAT, THAT, THAT'S HOW MUCH I'VE GOT TO DIVERT FROM MY INCOME, MY BUSINESS INCOME, IN ORDER TO REALIZE THE LONG TERM GAIN WITH PACE, WHAT I DO IS I TURN THAT ON ITS SIDE, I LOWER MY PAYMENTS DOWN, BUT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE LESS THAN MY ACTUAL CASH OUTFLOW TO SERVICE THE DEBT. 
          AND I BEGIN TO REALIZE A RETURN MY INVESTMENT FROM DAY ONE AND THE TERM OF A PAY LOAN BY LAW IS EQUIVALENT TO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO EXCEED THE AVERAGE WEIGHT VALUE OF THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE EQUIPMENT INSTALLED. 
          SO FOR COMMERCIAL HVAC THAT MAY BE 25 YEARS FOR PLUMBING FIXTURES, IT MAY BE FOUR YEARS FOR WINDOWS FOUR YEARS. 
          SO I'M PAYING OUT A VERY LOW SCHEDULE AND REALIZING A CASHFLOW POSITIVE BENEFIT FROM DAY ONE AND MULTIPLE LOANS IN SOME CASES ALMOST APPROACH MY, MY DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE FOR YOU ONCE YOU GET PAST, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS. 
          SO IT TURNS THE WHOLE EQUATION ON ITS SIDE AND MAKES YOU, CREATES THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS WITHOUT IMPACTING YOUR BUSINESS WHILE YOU STILL REALIZE THE BENEFITS. 
          AND I'VE SEEN SOME PROJECTS WHERE THE PAYOUT IS NOT, NOT 1.1, BUT 1.6, WHICH MEANS I'M PUTTING 60 CENTS IN MY POCKET FOR EVERY DOLLAR I SPEND AND EVERY DOLLAR I SPEND IS EARN ME A DOLLAR IN SAVINGS. 
          NOT A BAD DEAL. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTS, THERE'S REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, LOTS OF PAPERWORK. 
          THE B FOR YOU IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT. 
          WE AS YOUR ADMINISTRATOR TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          WE HAVE A STAFF OF PEOPLE THAT'S, THEY'RE WELL VERSED IN THIS INDUSTRY. 
          UH, PAY IN A BOX. 
          WHAT, WHAT WE DID WHEN WE PASSED THE STATUTE IN 2013 WAS WE SIT DOWN WITH 130 STAKEHOLDERS. 
          WE CREATED A MODEL PROGRAM. 
          THE LEGISLATURE, TO THEIR CREDIT, I MEAN THEY DON'T OFTEN DO THIS, BUT THEY BASICALLY PUT THE SHOVEL PROGRAM IN THE STATUTE AND THEY TOLD THE INDUSTRY, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THIS TITLE, COMPANIES REAL ESTATE AGENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, TAX SUCCESSFUL COLLECTORS, UH, WE SAT DOWN WITH TAX SUCCESSFUL COLLECTORS ALL OVER THE STATE AND TOOK THEIR ADVICE TO TELL US HOW YOU WANT THIS TO WORK. 
          SO WE BUILT IT IN, IN CONCERT WITH WHAT THE WISHES AND AND DESIRES OF THE INDUSTRY WERE. 
          BUT ONE THING THAT, THAT THE LEGISLA LEGISLATURE INSISTED ON, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY IN BEAUMONT TO HAVE A A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAN EL PASO. 
          I WANT EVERY ENGINEERING COMPANY, EVERY, EVERY TITLE COMPANY THAT DOES THIS, GETS INVOLVED WITH IT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DEAL WITH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SO WE HAVE APPLIED THIS AROUND THE STATE. 
          EVERY, EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT WE SERVE RUNS EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAM. 
          SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN IT. 
          SO 
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HOW DO YOU ADOPT THIS? WHAT'S WHAT ARE YOUR NEXT, IF IF YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WELL, IT'S VERY, VERY SIMPLE. 
          YOU POST A REPORT. 
          WE PROVIDE THE REPORT. 
          IT'S A DETAILED REPORT THAT DESCRIBES THE PACE PROGRAM IN GREAT DETAIL. 
          HAS A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE JU YOUR JURISDICTION IS. 
          YOU PUT THAT ON YOUR WEBSITE AS A PUBLIC NOTICE AND A SUBSEQUENT MEETING OF THIS, OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, YOU PASS A RESOLUTION OF INTENT THAT BASICALLY SAYS TO THE PUBLIC, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADOPTING THIS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. 
          YOU'LL LOOK AT IT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS. 
          AND THEN YOU ANNOUNCE YOUR INTENT TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU POST A DATE FOR A SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO AT, AT YOUR NEXT, UH, AGENDA MEETING, OR IT'S UP TO YOU TO, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A MONTH AWAY IF YOU WANT TO. 
          THE STATUTE DOESN'T DICTATE THE SCHEDULE. 
          BUT AT A, AT A SUBSEQUENT COMMISSIONER SCHWART MEETING, YOU'LL THEN ADOPT, UH, THREE THINGS. 
          YOU ACTUALLY APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE PROGRAM. 
          WELL, WELL, FIRST YOU HOLD, YOU HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR NOVICE. 
          AND BASED ON COMMENT, IF YOU DECIDE, DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, YOU THEN, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE PROGRAM. 
          AND IF YOU APPROVE THAT, YOU THEN CONSIDER AND ADOPT A SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH US THAT BASICALLY OUTLINES WHAT WE WILL DO TO, TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. 
          MAKING IT VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT IT COST YOU NOTHING. 
          THERE'S NO OBLIGATION ON YOUR PART IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENS IF YOU DO THIS IS NOBODY USES IT. 
          YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T. 
          YOU, YOU SPENT VERY LITTLE TO GET INVOLVED AND, AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T, DON'T COME FORWARD. 
          NOW, I THINK GIVEN WHERE YOU ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY, EVEN WHERE YOU ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF GROWTH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE PROJECTS. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME FORWARD. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IN TEXAS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T DO IS WE USE THIS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? THERE'S NO HISTORY OF UTILITY COSTS. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE'S YOUR DELTA? WHERE'S YOUR DIFFERENCE? IF YOU'RE WILLING TO BUILD ABOVE CODE BY AT LEAST 5%, YOU CAN TAKE THAT 5% DELTA, THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR CODE AND WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO, AND THEN USE THAT AS YOUR DELTA FOR, FOR PACE FINANCING. 
          WE'RE SEEING LOTS OF NEW, UH, RESORT, RESORT DEVELOPMENT, UH, HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT COMING. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU TRACK THE MARKET, YOU REALIZE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OFFICE DEVELOPMENT PROTECT IN PLACES LIKE AUSTIN, HOUSTON, AND DALLAS THAT'S VACANT. 
          YOU CAN USE PACE TO CONVERT THOSE PROPERTIES TO RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE. 
          MIXED USES. 
          WE'RE SHARING A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY AS WELL. 
          THIS JUST REAL QUICKLY, SOME EXAMPLES, I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. 
          THIS IS THE, THE BARFIELD BUILDING IN, IN AMARILLO. 
          LOOK, LOOK AT THE SAVINGS. 
          73% REDUCTION, THEIR UTILITY COSTS, 79% NATURAL GAS, 40% WATER, A LARGE BUILDING LIKE THAT, THAT TRANSLATES INTO A LOT OF MONEY. 
          UH, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          THIS SHOWS YOU THE CAPITAL STACK COMPARISON ON THE LEFT THERE. 
          THE BUTLER BROTHERS BUILDING IN DALLAS, THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL, WHICH PUT $22 MILLION OF, UH, UH, INVESTMENT IN, IN MEZZANINE FINANCING AT 15% INTEREST RATE, THEY TOOK THAT $22 MILLION OF, OF, OF FINANCING REPLACED IT WITH $23 MILLION OF PACE FINANCING AT JUST OVER 6%. 
          THEY REDUCED THEIR AVERAGE WAGE, COST OF CAPITAL AND MET MULTI MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT BY ALMOST 2%. 
          I MEAN, THAT KINDA MAKES THIS A NO BRAINER FOR THAT KIND OF PROJECT WHEN THE NUMBERS WORK OUT. 
          OTHER EXAMPLES, THE RED BIRD SHOPS AT DALLAS FALLS STAFF HOTEL IN GALVESTON. 
          THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE'RE A NONPROFIT. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS IN TERMS OF COST RETURN TO US. 
          WE CAN AFFORD TO TREAT SMALL PROJECTS, RURAL PROJECTS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          WE DON'T LOOK AT IT FROM THE STAND POINT OF WE'RE GONNA MAKE MONEY DOING THIS. 
          SO THIS IS A LITTLE GENERAL STORY IN GAN TEXAS, YOU KNOW, WITH $120,000. 
          BUT THE PUTTING PACE MONEY TOGETHER WITH USDA RE MONEY, THE RED OAKS THEATER, UH, RED OAKS APARTMENT COMPLEX IN BELL COUNTY, PEARL POINT APARTMENTS, THIS IS A, IT IS A THREE PHASE PROJECT. 
          THEY, THEY CAME IN AND, AND DID THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          THEY THEN REFINANCED AN, AN ORIGINAL, UH, THING THAT PREDATED PACE. 
          AND NOW THEY'VE USED IT AGAIN A THIRD TIME FOR, FOR EXPANSION OF THAT PROJECT. 
          J PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T USE SPACE FOR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL BUILDING, IT'S PRIVATE. 
          YOU CAN, COLLEGE IS THE MAIN 1 5 10 COLLECTIVE IN WACO, THE CONCORD BUILDING IN LUO, TRAVIS BUILDING IN SAN ANTONIO, THE OLD PLAZA HOTEL IN EL PASO. 
          GREAT FACILITY. 
          UH, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TO THE, UH, CRAZY WATER IN, IN, UH, MENTAL WELLS CRAZY WATER WAS A PACE PROJECT. 
          VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE OTHER BUSINESSES THEY'RE GROWING UP AROUND, IT'S NOW THAT IT'S THERE, IT'S, IT'S NOW BECOME A BIG TOURIST DESTINATION. 
          PRIVATE, UH, INSTITUTIONS. 
          URBAN LEAGUE IN HOUSTON, STRATTON BUILDING IN MCLENNAN COUNTY. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THE OLD SINCLAIR AND TARRANT COUNTY. 
          AND WHAT WE NEED IS WE GOT THE THREE TRANS PE COUNTIES ON BOARD. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF BOUTIQUE HOTEL PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING OUT IN THE BIG, BIG BIG BEND AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, 
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THESE ARE THE FUN ONES. 
          I MEAN,  DO THE DOLLAR COST IS NOT HUGE. 
          PRIVATE ELDER CARE FACILITY CHURCHES ARE A VERY POPULAR USE OF PACE. 
          MOST CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED ANYWAY. 
          THE, THE PAPER IS HELD BY LOCAL BANKERS WHO WANTS TO FORECLOSE ON A CHURCH. 
          NOBODY. 
          SO YOU CARRY THAT PAPER AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEIR ABILITY TO PAY IT, THIS TURNS THAT FINANCING AROUND AND PUTS THIS, THOSE CHURCHES BACK ON A SUSTAINABLE BASIS. 
          THE VERY FIRST PACE PROJECT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WAS TEMPLE METHOD. 
          ISRAEL IN AUSTIN, THEIR HVAC SYSTEM WAS SO DECREPIT. 
          THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD KEEP COOL IN THE SUMMERTIME WAS THE ACTUAL SYNAGOGUE ITSELF. 
          SO THEIR DAYCARE, THEIR CHILD EDUCATION FACILITIES, ALL IN THAT ONE ROOM. 
          IT'S ONLY ONLY ROOM THEY COULD KEEP COOL ENOUGH. 
          WELL, THEY'VE COMPLETELY REPLACED THAT ENTIRE SYSTEM. 
          NOW THEIR CAMPUS IS MONKEYING AGAIN. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN PEOPLE LOOKING AT CHURCHES, ESPECIALLY HIS RESTORING OLD HISTORIC CHURCHES, BRINGING THEM BACK TO LIFE. 
          SO WHEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, PACE IS A WIN, WIN WIN, IT REALLY IS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NO REAL DOWNSIDE TO THIS IN TERMS OF DOING IT. 
          LIKE I SAID, THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENS IS YOU ADOPT IT. 
          AND NO ONE FOR, FOR REASONS. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE NO ONE USES IT. 
          UH, BUT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET STARTED. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THE FIRST PROJECT IS TOMORROW, WHETHER IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THE THING IN PLACE AND, AND, AND BE ABLE TO USE IT. 
          I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UH, I DO WANNA MENTION OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEE, RA GUY IS WITH IS WITH US TODAY. 
          SHE HAS A VERY STRONG BACKGROUND IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND UH, FOR ALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THIS AREA. 
          SHE'S IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA. 
          ONE, ONE OF OUR JOBS ONCE WE ADOPT THE PROGRAM IS WE THEN GO OUT AND WORK WITH YOUR EDCS, YOUR CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, UH, EVERYBODY THAT NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS AND CAN PARTICIPATE IN IT. 
          AND, UH, WHAT I DO AND HOPEFULLY WHAT CAIRO WILL BE DOING A LOT MORE OF IS WORKING WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WORD DOES GET SPREAD. 
          'CAUSE ONCE IT DOES, THIS KIND OF TAKES OFF BY ITSELF, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          IT'S KIND OF A NO-BRAINER. 
          SO GUYS, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          THANK YOU STEVE. 
          I'VE, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT PLEASE REALLY JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT MY IGNORANCE. 
          UH, BUT PLEASE BEAR, JUDGE, I I WILL, I WILL COMMENT. 
          NO ONE EVER GETS THIS THE FIRST TIME AROUND, SO DON'T . 
          SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, INTEREST THAT THE BUILDING OWNER PAYS, IS THAT FREE MARKET, IS THAT JUST LIKE NORMAL CONTINGENT ON THEIR CREDIT RATING AND, AND WHATEVER THE LENDER? IT VARIES WITH THE MARKET BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY YOU CAN SOMETIMES GET, ESPECIALLY IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT LENDER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAYBE THEY HAVE THE SENIOR LEAN, UH, YOU, YOU CAN SOMETIMES NEGOTIATE THOSE RATES DOWN. 
          I MEAN, I SAW ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THEY, THEY, THEY CERTAINLY DID THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FREE MARKET DEAL. 
          IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO, NO ONE'S KICKING IN INCENTIVES OR GANGING CARROTS AND STICKS IN FRONT OF YOU ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY FREE MARKET. 
          GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE MECHANISM THAT ENDS THE PACE PROGRAM FOR A BUILDING IS THE DEBT BEING PAID OFF? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, THE, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT PERPETUAL. 
          WHEN THEIR DEBTS PAID OFF, THE ASSESSMENT GOES AWAY. 
          IT GOES AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I NOTICED YOU HAVE CITIES AND COUNTIES, UH, DOES IT MATTER WHOSE UH, TAX ASSESSMENT YOU'RE BORROWING? IF WE HAVE A CITY INSIDE OF A COUNTY AND THEY'RE BOTH UTILIZING THE PACE PROGRAM, IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE, TO THE PROJECT SPONSOR HOW THEY WANNA DO IT. 
          WE HAVE, IN SOME CASES WE HAVE CITIES WHO ADOPTED THE PROGRAM AND THEN THEY HAD A PROJECT IN THAT CITY AND THEY, THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO THE, SO THE CITY ADOPTS IT AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, FIVE PROJECTS POP UP AND THEN THE COUNTY GOES, WELL WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WE, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THIS APPLICABLE COUNTYWIDE? AND THEN THAT, THAT'S HOW IT GROWS. 
          IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, TOTALLY VOLUNTARY, TOTALLY FREE MARKET. 
          YOU DECIDE WHICH JURISDICTION YOU WANT TO WANT TO USE. 
          UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROPOSAL WITHIN THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS, CHICAGO RIGHT NOW TO REGIONALIZE THE PACE PROGRAM FOR ALL 16 COUNTIES WITHIN WITHIN NET CO. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT IT MEANS. 
          AND THAT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE DRIVING THAT TRAIN, BUT, AND WE'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, WE'LL HELP THEM ANY WAY WE CAN, BUT, UH, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE OVERLAPPING JURISDICTIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IF YOU LOOK, GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT MAP ON OUR WEBSITE, THE GRAY AREAS OF THE TOWN TEACH THOSE STARS IS AS THEY SEE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT SEVERAL. 
          UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          UM, A FEW QUESTIONS THOUGH. 
          FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS ONLY AFFECTS PROPERTY IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AGREE TO IT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE DON'T CREATE A, IT TALKED OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          STATUTE, IT TALKS ABOUT CREATING REGIONS. 
          WELL THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS SORT OF CONFUSING. 
          WHAT THE LEGISLA LEGISLATURE DID WAS THEY BUILT ON THE LEGAL CONCEPT, WHICH WAS WELL ESTABLISHED AND HAS A PRECEDENT FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE, YOU, YOU, YOU DEFINE A GOVERNMENTAL 
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JURISDICTION. 
          YOU CAN ACTUALLY APPLY THE PACE PROGRAM TO A, TO A SUBPART IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DIDN'T WANT TO APPLY IN THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTY, YOU COULD DRAW A MAP AND SAY, HEY, HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO APPLY. 
          NO ONE DOES THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT IT'S, IT'S TIED TO THE LONGSTANDING LEGAL PRECEDENT OF BEING ABLE TO DEFINE, DEFINE GEOGRAPHIC REGION WHERE SOMETHING YOU DO IS, IS APPLIED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT, BUT IF WHEN YOU CREATE THESE SPECIAL LAYER OF ASSESSMENTS THAT ON THOSE ASSESSMENTS, IS IT CLEAR THAT IT ONLY AFFECTS THE PROPERTIES WHERE THE OWNERS AGREE? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YEAH. 
          THIS IS WHERE IT DIFFERS FROM A, FROM A IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          AND ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF THESE IMPROVEMENT MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT OR IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS IS YOU HAVE A VOTE. 
          SO SOME POPULAR OWNERS WHO MAY NOT WANT TO BE IN THE DISTRICT HAVE TO PETITION TO GET OUT OF IT. 
          OTHERWISE THEY'RE STUCK WITH THE ASSESSMENT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS ONE BUILDING ONE OWNER AND TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SECOND ONE, EXCUSE ME. 
          ARE I SAW IT AFFECTS, AS YOU SHOWED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES. 
          IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THIS, COULD WE EXCLUDE OR LIMIT PROPERTIES AND SAY THOSE ARE NOT OF, NOT ABLE TO USE IT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, ARE COUNTY, I THINK MOST RESIDENTS WOULD SAY, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE APARTMENTS, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE IMPROVEMENT IN MULTIFAMILY. 
          SO COULD WE CREATE A DISTRICT WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW ACCESS TO FUNDS BY MULTI-FAMILY USERS? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT QUESTION BEFORE. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I MEAN, HERE, HERE, HERE'S THE THING. 
          I'M NOT THE ARBITER OF WHAT THE STATUTE SHOULD BE INTERPRETED TO SAY. 
          I WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOU AND YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY MAY HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHETHER THAT WORKS THAT WAY OR NOT. 
          WE WE'RE HERE TO ADMINISTER WHATEVER PROGRAM YOU ADOPT. 
          RIGHT? AND I'M JUST WONDERING, READING THE STATUTE, I WOULD THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS COULD BE A GOOD PROGRAM. 
          BUT JUST ME PERSONALLY, I MIGHT BE OUT VOTED FOUR TO ONE. 
          IT'S HAPPENED MANY TIMES, BUT I WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS IF IT HELPED PROMOTE ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE HOW THINGS ARE ZONED OR HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROVE MULTI-FAMILY. 
          I, I WOULD LOOK AT IT AS IT'S GOING TO HELP THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, UH, IMPROVE AND PROVIDE A BETTER PRODUCT FOR THE COUNTIES AND THE CITIES THAT THEY'RE IN. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I WAS. 
          'CAUSE THE EXAMPLES HE SHOWED, IT WAS ALL ONES THAT WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. 
          BUT AS HE SAID IT, IT APPLIES FOR NEW PROJECTS TOO. 
          YEAH, BUT THOSE, THOSE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WAY MORE LAYERS TO GET TO THIS PACE PROGRAM THAN JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A PACE. 
          I'LL SAY THIS ON THAT POINT, IT'S, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET US AN ANSWER ON THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT ADOPTING IT. 
          THIS, I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO YOU, IT'S NOT MY, IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO TELL YOU HOW TO INTERPRET THE STATUTE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. 
          BUT I, I WILL SAY AS FAR AS NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S, IT'S HARD SOMETIMES TO JUSTIFY THOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE THE ONLY, THE ONLY LEEWAY YOU'VE GOT TO WORK IS BETWEEN MINIMUM CODE. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO, WHAT YOU FIND IN MORE RURAL AREAS IS MINIMUM CODE IS KINDA WORKED DOWN HERE. 
          IF YOU'RE IN AUSTIN, FOR INSTANCE, MINIMUM CODE IS UP HERE IN DALLAS, IT'S UP HERE. 
          SO IF SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT DELTA THAT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE LAWYERS MIGHT, MIGHT FIND SOMETHING IN THAT IN TERMS OF IT. 
          DOES THE STATUTE SAY THAT THAT, THAT YOU, THAT YOU CAN LIMIT IT? UH, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS YOUR PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU GET TO MAKE THAT LEGAL DETERMINATION AND HOW YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING. 
          SO, AND JUST FROM READING THE STATUTE, I WOULD THINK THERE, WE MIGHT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT, BUT I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE PROCEEDED, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT. 
          AGAIN, I'M MY LAWYER, BUT YOUR, YOUR JURISDICTION FOR PACE CAN BE LESS THAN THE OVERALL BOUNDARY OF YOUR COUNTY. 
          IT CAN BE LESS. 
          IT CAN BE, YEAH. 
          NOW I BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE READ THE STATUTE, I DON'T RECALL WHETHER THERE'S ANY CRITERIA THERE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU JUSTIFY THAT LIMITATION, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE'LL CONNECT WITH THAT COMMENT IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          I, I HAVE, I'VE ACCESS TO A SMART, SMART LAWYER THOUGH. 
          I'LL ASK HIM THAT QUESTION. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, OKAY, MY NEXT QUESTION IF I READ THIS RIGHT, THIS IS A ON EQUAL, IT SAYS IN HERE SOMEWHERE, IT'S ON EQUAL PRIORITY WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. 
          THE, THE STATUTE DEFINES A PACE OBLIGATION FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT AND ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT TO BE EQUIVALENT TO A PROPERTY TAX. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IT IT ACHIEVES SENIOR LIEN STATUS. 
          RIGHT? SO YOU THAT, THAT LIEN BECOMES FIRST IN MINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IF I HAVE A, IF I HOLD A MORTGAGE ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT PAY LOAN GOES ABOVE ME. 
          BUT YOU CANNOT FORCE A SENIOR LIEN HOLDER TO 
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ACCEPT A SUPERIOR LIEN POSITION INVOLUNTARILY. 
          SO IF I, IF I OWN A MORTGAGE ON THAT PROPERTY, I HOLD A MORTGAGE AND MY OWNER COMES TO ME AND SAYS, HEY, I'D LIKE TO UH, TAKE OUT A PACE LOAN. 
          ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT LOAN BEING SENIOR AT YOUR, TO YOUR CURRENT MORTGAGE? IF I SAY NO, NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. 
          SURE. 
          SO LET'S SAY THAT, LET'S JUST ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THERE'S NO DEBT FINANCING OTHER THAN PACE. 
          AND LET'S SAY THERE'S PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE BOTH A PACE LOAN AND THEN WE GOT OUR NORMAL TAXES AND THE PARTY GOES BROKE. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID NOBODY'S EVER GONE BROKE, BUT IT HAPPENS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE PROJECT ONLY COLLECTS A PORTION OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT DUE IN TAXES AND PACE PAYMENTS. 
          WHO GETS, WHO IS SENIOR IN PRIORITY BETWEEN TAXES AND PACE PAYMENTS? IT SAID IN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT THEY WERE OF EQUAL PRIORITY, BUT THE EQUAL ONLY WORKS AS LONG AS YOU GET A HUNDRED PERCENT PAYMENT. 
          SO IF THERE'S LESS THAN THAT, WHO HAS PRIORITY TAXES OR PACE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW THE STATUTE SAYS THEY'RE OF EQUAL, EQUAL MERIT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I THINK THE PACE LOAN IS MORE FAR EASIER TO PERFECT THAN THE, THE TAX LIABILITY. 
          BUT WHOEVER ASSUMES THE MORTGAGE OR WHOEVER WHO ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBILITY, OBVIOUSLY HE'S ON THE HOOK FOR THE TAXES AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAXES FOLLOW THROUGH, BUT IF YOU DON'T COLLECT EVERYTHING, 'CAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY THEIR TAXES AND GIVE UP THEIR PROPERTIES TOO. 
          THAT HAPPENS. 
          NOT OFTEN, BUT IT DOES. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING BETWEEN THE TWO, WHEN IT SAYS EQUAL PRIORITY, IF THERE'S INSUFFICIENT FUNDS TO PAY BOTH, WHICH ONE HAS GREATER PRIORITY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WE, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIGURE OUT. 
          YOU CAN, YOU SAID YOU GOT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT LAWYERS THAT CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          SO I'VE ALWAYS APPROACHED THAT FROM THE SAME POINT THAT IT'S UNLIKELY YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE IN LIMBO THAT WAY BECAUSE WHOEVER ASSUMES THAT PAY LOAN IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE TAXES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT MAY NOT BE THAT IT'LL BE A NEW OWNER WHO, WHO'S WHO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT AGAIN, ASSUMES THE PROPERTY'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO, TO ASSUME THE PAY LOAN. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YOU SAID, YOU'VE SAID SEVERAL TIMES THIS IS NO COST TO THE, TO THE COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          DO WE, DO THE PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH, THE ENTITIES, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, DO THEY HAVE SOME ONE WHO HAS TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM? DO THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE OBLIGATIONS? WOULD WE HAVE TO ASSIGN SOMEBODY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR AUDITOR'S OFFICE WHO CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THIS OR WHAT? LET, LET, LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IF, IF, IF YOU TRUST US TO RUN THIS WAY, WE'RE RUNNING IT IN 110 OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF IT. 
          AND ALL YOU DO IS WATCH. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T BE INVOLVED. 
          AND SOME DALLAS COUNTY, FOR INSTANCE, IN DALLAS, THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A PART OF THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. 
          BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO LET'S TAKE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY ARE INVOLVED AND THEY'RE PROMOTING IT. 
          AND AGAIN, LIKE I'VE SAID, IT COULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          BUT LET'S SAY WE TOOK THAT SIMILAR APPROACH AND WE GOT INVOLVED AND WE REALLY PROMOTED AND WE PUT A PERSON IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE THAT WOULD TRY AND GET THIS DONE OR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE OR SOMETHING. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO RECOVER THE COST OF THAT PERSONNEL THROUGH THIS PROGRAM? I'M GONNA SAY I THINK THERE SHOULD BE YEAH. 
          ADDING IT TO I'LL, I'LL INVESTIGATE, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN BE AS INVOLVED AS YOU WANT TO BE OR NOT. 
          AND YOU CAN SIMPLY TO WATCH IT HAPPEN. 
          YOU CAN GET REPORTS IN TERMS OF, HEY, TELL US ONCE A MONTH WHERE WE STAND ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S YOUR PROGRAM. 
          WE WORK FOR YOU. 
          IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THIS AND YOU, YOU EXIT YOUR CONTRACT WITH US, YOU'RE THE BOSS. 
          YOU, YOU GET TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA DO CONSTRAINED BY THE STATUTE AND THE CONTRACTS YOU HAVE IN PLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND A RELATED, UH, A RELATED QUESTION. 
          THERE WILL BE SOME LEGAL FEES WE INCUR AS A COUNTY. 
          UH, THERE JUST WILL BE ONLY, ONLY IF YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LOAN. 
          WELL, OR WHEN WE REVIEW IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY HERE WILL SPEND LEGAL FEES TO REVIEW THESE DOCUMENTS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          WELL, SOMEBODY WILL. 
          WELL THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT JUST HAPPENS. 
          WE HAVE A GREAT ATTORNEY AND WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE HE'S SIGNS OFF ON EVERYTHING. 
          SO AGAIN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PASS THROUGH THOSE LE IF WE INCUR LEGAL FEES ON A COUNTY BASIS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PASS THROUGH TO THE BORROWERS? IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE INTERNAL LEGAL REVIEW OF THESE, WE LET SOMEBODY HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          BUT I WOULD THINK WE COULD DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T. 
          IT'S YOUR PROGRAM. 
          YOU DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO RUN IT. 
          IF YOU WANT INTERNAL LEGAL REVIEW YEAH. 
          THEN THAT'S 
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SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD THINK ON THE LAST ONE WE WOULD PROBABLY RUN THAT THROUGH OUR CIVIL LEGAL SIDE AND NOT THROUGH THE ONE THAT'S GONNA, NO OFFENSE, DANIEL, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT'S GONNA CHARGE US PER HOUR. 
          THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY PAY, I THINK WAS WHERE, WHERE THAT WOULD GO, WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR OUR CONTRACTS. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT'S THE CASE. 
          AND THEIR, AND THEIR AND THEIR TIME IS MONEY, BUT THEY REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT'S THE CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH ON THAT ISSUES MM-HMM . 
          ON GETTING THINGS APPROVED AND HAVING WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          BUT EITHER WAY, EVEN IF IT WAS OUR INTERNAL LAWYER, THAT MEANS WE'RE PAYING SOMEBODY. 
          IF, IF IT'S 10% OF SOME LAWYER'S TIME, THAT'S MEANS THEY'RE PAYING 10% OF SOME LAWYER'S SALARY TO DO THIS. 
          AND I WOULD THINK IT'D BE SOMETHING WE COULD GET BACK. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE LAYER LEGAL FEES ON TOP OF DEALS ALL THE TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          BUT, BUT YOUR ONLY, YOUR ONLY IN MY OPINION, STATUTORY OBLIGATED EXPENSE WOULD BE FOR ENFORCEMENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN QUITE FRANKLY, BOTH THE STATUTE AND THE CONTRACTS PROVIDE FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES, INTEREST, PENALTIES, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THE INTENT. 
          I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE AUTHENTICITY OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SIR. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THE INTENT IS THAT THERE'D BE NO COST. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO THIS, IT IS REALLY NO COST. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND IF WE DO IT, I ASSURE YOU THERE WILL BE NO COST, NO NET COST TO, TO THE COUNTY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET LISA ASK HER QUESTION FIRST. 
          MINE KIND OF PIGGYBACKS ON COMMISSIONER LICHTY. 
          IS IT, DO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE HA HAVE YOU HAD CHARGES OR HAS THE COUNTY HAD CHARGES FROM THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT? BECAUSE WE PAY THEM TO DO OUR COLLECTIONS AND OUR ASSESSMENTS. 
          HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT INCREASES WHAT THEY CHARGE THE COUNTY? BECAUSE THAT COULD BE AN, AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. 
          MY ONLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE ONLY COST TRANSFER HAS BEEN TO LINEBARGER AND LINEBARGER SIMPLY HANDLES THOSE EN ENFORCEMENT CASES JUST LIKE I DO PROPERTY TAXES. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MAINLY BEEN SOME UPFRONT COSTS. 
          'CAUSE NONE OF THESE HAVE ACTUALLY GONE TO FULL, UH, FORECLOSURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          NOW THESE, THESE ARE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS. 
          YOU WILL BE GENERATING WORK FOR THE CHIEF CLERK FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE THERE AND DOCUMENT FILINGS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S, SO, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF AT LEAST OFF OF, OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO THIS IS BASICALLY CREATING, YOU KNOW, A PACE AUTHORITY THAT PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN, CAN PARTICIPATE IN PRIVATE LANDOWNERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT GOVERNMENTS CAN PARTICIPATE IN FOR OUR ENERGY SAVINGS AND OUR BUILDINGS? NOT UNDER THIS PROGRAM. 
          THE ONLY, THE VERY LIMITED USE OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS WOULD BE IF YOU LEASE IT UNDER LONG-TERM LEASE TO SOMEONE WHO THEN USES IT FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, KINDA A, A REUSE OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE THE TEXAS LONE STAR PROGRAM COMES IN. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT ENTITIES USE TO DO A SIMILARLY BACKED PROGRAM. 
          BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S NOT THE SAME, BUT IT'S A BUT IT'S A VERY LOW COST. 
          WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          VERY LOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD'VE TO USE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, MR. MINNICK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR PRESENTING. 
          CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT, BEN. 
          MY PLEASURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, SO JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER GOLAN, I KNOW THESE, YOU BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US, SO WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE? WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED FIRST. 
          UM, SO LET'S GET THOSE ANSWERS FOR, FOR YOU AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'LL PUT THIS BACK ON THE NEXT COURT, UM, WHERE WE CAN DECIDE HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO IT'LL BE A DISCUSS AND ACT AND THEN THERE'S A STEPS TO FOLLOW AFTER THAT IF WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE WORK WITH MR. MINNICK TO MAYBE ARRANGE A CALL IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS? ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. 
          WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN ARRANGEMENT HIM AND TRY AND REFINE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND TRY AND GET THE ANSWERS WE NEED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BECAUSE I DO, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GOOD PROGRAM AND YEAH, SOMETHING WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I HOPE IT WILL BE. 
          SO WE WILL, WE'LL, UM, STEVE AND I'LL WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. 
          AND THREE HOURS OF WORK. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          [7. Discuss/ Act on approving a Service Agreement with Civic Plus for DocAccess ADA compliance system for $11,521, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]
ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH CIVIC PLUS FOR DOCK ACCESS A DA COMPLIANCE SYSTEM FOR $11,521 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER M**K. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK BRIAN IS GOING TO COME UP, BUT JUST AS A, UM, AS A MOMENT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ACT ON THIS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE NOT, WE HAD 
          [00:55:01]
SOME, SOME CH UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO CHECK IN WITH IN REGARDS TO THE LEGAL. 
          SO, UM, BRIAN'S GONNA DISCUSS THIS. 
          HELLO. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE NEW, UH, A DA STANDARDS THAT ARE COMING INTO EFFECT APRIL 24TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S GONNA FOCUS ON, THIS IS FOR THE WEBSITE, UH, FOCUS ON SCREEN READERS. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP WITH, WELL, FIRST OFF, I THINK WE CAN DIVIDE OUR WEBSITE TO UNDERSTAND THIS INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. 
          THERE'S THE HTML PART OF THE WEBSITE, AND THEN THERE'S THE DOCUMENTS PART OF THE WEBSITE. 
          SO THE HTML PART IS, UH, ALL OF THIS KIND OF AREA, JUST THE REGULAR, WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT A WEBSITE. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN APPROACHING IT, APPROACHING THE HTM HTML SIDE. 
          THERE'S 317 PAGES OF THAT. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CLASS COMING UP THE 25TH FOR ANYBODY WHO'S POSTING ON THE WEBSITE TO ATTEND, UM, THAT CAN HELP THEM UNDERSTAND ALL THESE NEW RULES. 
          AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MEETINGS WITH EACH DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY CAN GO OVER THEIR SPECIFIC PART OF THE WEBSITE AND MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLIANT, MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO DATE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A DA, BUT THAT WILL BE A THING THAT WE COVER DURING THOSE MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE A, A SCANNER THAT'S SCANNING THE HTML PART, AND WE'RE SCORING A 99 RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT SECTION. 
          BUT THE, UH, DOCUMENTS PART IS WHERE WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK. 
          WE HAVE, UH, OVER 2000 DOCUMENTS ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UH, AND THE BUDGET ALONE IS 144 PAGES. 
          SO JUST 'CAUSE IT'S 2000 DOCUMENTS, IT MIGHT BE WAY MORE PAGES. 
          SO TO, TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THESE, UH, WITH THIS PART OF THE WEBSITE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE PAGES AND, UH, KIND OF FIX IT, PUT TAGS IN IT. 
          AND I FOUND THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO TO, UM, TO MAKE THESE COMPLIANT. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS WE CAN MANUALLY DO IT. 
          SO WE CAN BUY A TOOL AND THEN WE GO AND SCAN THROUGH IT, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TITLE AND IF THERE'S ANY IMAGE IN IT, YOU HAVE TO MARKET. 
          IT'S KIND OF A MANUAL PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO HIRE THAT OUT. 
          AND THAT, UH, IS QUOTED ABOUT $10 A PAGE. 
          SO WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE BUDGET YOU CAN SEE WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE IF WE DID THAT. 
          IT'D BE, UH, $1,400 JUST FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION THAT I FOUND IS, THE ONE THAT I'M ASKING THAT WE PURCHASE IS THIS, UH, IT'S LIKE AN, AN AI OVERLAY. 
          IT'S CALLED DOC ACCESS. 
          AND IT WILL, UM, THE, PROBABLY THE EASIEST THING IS FOR ME TO SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE ONE. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, SOMEONE ELSE'S BUDGET, KISSIMMEE, WHEREVER THAT IS. 
          AND, UM, OH, Y'ALL KNOW, OKAY. 
          UH, SO THIS, RIGHT NOW IT WOULD NOT BE A DA COMPLIANT. 
          AND THEN WITH THIS OVERLAY THAT I WANT TO PURCHASE, YOU CAN CLICK THIS AND IT, UH, AFTER YOU UPLOAD THE DOCUMENT, THEY SAY IT'LL TAKE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES, IT'LL GO THROUGH AND REFORMAT IT, SCAN IT, AND MAKE IT COMPLIANT. 
          WILL ALSO GIVE THE, UH, THE USER THESE OPTIONS WHERE IT'LL CREATE AN OUTLINE FOR THEM. 
          IT CAN TRANSLATE IT TO OTHER LANGUAGES. 
          AND THEN IF THE PERSON STILL NEEDS HELP, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PHONE NUMBER THEY CAN CALL. 
          AND, UH, SOMEONE WILL GET ON THE LINE WITH THEM, OPEN THIS PAGE UP AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS PAGE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT, IT COSTS ABOUT, LET ME JUST TELL YOU THE EXACT NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER THAT WAS. 
          10. 
          THEY'RE AN ONGOING COST. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, I CAN'T, IT'S, IT HASN'T GONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH LEGAL, BUT, UH, THIS IS WHAT I'LL BE ASKING FOR. 
          I DO HAVE THAT MONEY IN MY, UH, CONTRACT SERVICES BUDGET. 
          SO I DON'T GUESS THERE'S ANYTHING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO DO. 
          I JUST, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. 
          AND I GUESS THIS WILL BE ON COURT AGAIN NEXT TIME. 
          YEAH, AFTER 
          [01:00:01]
I, I BELIEVE BASED ON YOUR MINE, YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE, I TALKED TO DERY YESTERDAY ABOUT IT. 
          DERY OR CRAIG. 
          I SEE CRAIG OVER THERE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, RIGHT? UH, IT CERTAINLY IS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT IS. 
          AND, AND, AND IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. 
          UH, AND THE LAST, UH, MEETING, TRAINING MEETING I WAS AT, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          UH, AND, AND A LOT OF MORE RURAL COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE AN IT DIRECTOR MM-HMM . 
          ARE JUST STUCK AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          UM, AND, AND ARE WORRIED THAT THERE'S PEOPLE GOING TO COME IN AND, UH, PRIVATE CITIZENS DOING AUDITS TO FIND REASONS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO GET THE COUNTY IN TROUBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO IS THIS, UH, WELL THEN IT SAYS 19,651 IN YEAR TWO, THAT'LL BE PERPETUAL OR PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT. 
          IT'S JUST A COST WE'RE GONNA BE BUYING INTO FROM NOW ON, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S NOT FIXED ONCE FOREVER. 
          AND THEN I KNOW YOU CAN NEVER PREDICT CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT ARE COMING, BUT WOULD THIS BE A SERVICE THAT AS ADDITIONAL TWEAKS OR CHANGES COME TO THE A DA AND ITS REGULATIONS? THEY WOULD HELP US WITH THOSE TWO, OR WOULD BE BUYING NEW SOFTWARE AT THOSE TIMES? UM, THIS ONE IS ONLY FOCUSED ON PDF DOCUMENTS. 
          AND SINCE THAT'S ALL THEY'RE DOING, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS KEEPING IT UP TO DATE WITH THE RULES. 
          BUT I, AGAIN, I DON'T, UH, IF IT'S NOT DOING THAT, THEN WE WOULD FIND A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND I, I MEAN, THIS IS VERY TECHNICAL AREA, OBVIOUSLY, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I THINK, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T TAKE AN ACTION ON IT, BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE THAT HE'S, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF OUR, OF OUR SCANS COMPLETED BY IN APRIL, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU SAID. 
          SO, YES. 
          UM, WE'LL, WE HOPE TO BRING, OUR PLANS ARE TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND TAKE ACTION ON IT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DON'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE'RE 
          [8. Discuss/Act on participating in the annual Texas Association of Counties Cybersecurity Training Program pursuant to Texas Government Code §2054.5191 for an annual fee of $5 per user, and all related issues; (IT Director)]
MOVED TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSS AND ACT ON PARTICIPATING IN THE ANNUAL TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY CYBERSECURITY TRAINING PROGRAM PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2 0 5 4 5 1 9 1 FOR AN ANNUAL FEE OF $5 PER USER IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          MR. BRYANT, THIS IS THE TAC TRAINING FOR CYBERSECURITY THAT WE'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS NOW. 
          UH, IT'S PROBABLY COST US TWO TO $3,000. 
          IT'LL COME OUTTA MY TRAINING BUDGET. 
          WE'VE DONE IT SEVERAL OTHER YEARS. 
          THERE'S NO CHANGE. 
          UM, I'LL START ADVERTISING IT TO THE USER BASE, APRIL OR MAY, AND EVERYONE HAS TO COMPLETE IT BY OCTOBER 31ST. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, DO YOU WANT US TO APPROVE YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT? THE, UH, TAC REQUIRES ME TO TAKE THIS TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR APPROVAL, OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE JUST DONE IT. 
          SO, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ANNUAL TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY CYBERSECURITY TRAINING PROGRAM PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2 0 5 4 0.5191 FOR AN ANNUAL FEE OF $5 PER USER. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          GOT MY MOTION. 
          GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS FIVE TO EIGHT BECAUSE I PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BRIAN. 
          LET'S, UH, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK. 
          IS THAT THE LONGEST WE'VE GONE WITHOUT TAKING A VOTE IN A COMMISSIONER'S COURT? IT WAS PROBABLY, PROBABLY . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AT 10 0 5. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. 
          WE'LL RECONVENE AT 10 15. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AT 10 16, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO THE REGULAR SESSION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 
          WE 
          [9. Discuss/Act on Proposal 66899 from Bluum Technology for upgrades to the Rockwall County Detention Center's security displays, and all related issues; (IT Director-Sheriff Garrett)]
ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND ACT ON PROPOSAL 6 6 8 9 9 FROM BLOOM TECHNOLOGIES FOR UPGRADES TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER'S, SECURITY DISPLAYS, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          IT DIRECTOR AND CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT. 
          I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE STEPPING IN FOR SHERIFF GARRETT. 
          HE'S TALKING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, I'LL, I'LL START OFF. 
          UH, THE JAIL MASTER CONTROL HAS A BUNCH OF, UH, DISPLAYS IN IT THAT ARE GOING OUT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE JAIL WANTS TO REPLACE THEM. 
          AND HERE'S THE QUOTE. 
          IT DOES HAVE TWO OPTIONS ON IT. 
          THE, UH, I JUST TALKED TO GRAY AND HE WANTS TO PAY FOR THE CHEAPER OPTION, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT IS 25,000 824 52, AND IT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THEIR COMMISSARY FUND. 
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE IT DIRECTOR? NO QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, I AM GONNA MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE APPROVE PROPOSAL 6 6 8 9 9 FROM BLOOM TECHNOLOGIES FOR $25,824 AND 52 CENTS FOR SECURITY DISPLAYS AT THE COUNTY DETENTION CENTER. 
          I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          WE HAVE MY MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF EVERYONE WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW? IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT BRINGS 
          [10. Discuss/Act on approving two copier leases with CPI for the new County Court at Law #1 and Adult Probation Intake office effective March 1, 2026, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
US TO AGENDA ITEM 10, DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING TWO COPIER LEASES WITH CPI FOR THE NEW COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER ONE AND ADULT PROBATION INTAKE OFFICE EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST, 2026. 
          AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER STACY? YEAH, SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS. 
          THIS IS A VERY STANDARD COPIER LEASE THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, ON PAGE 28 OF THE BUDGET LINE ITEM 0 0 1 4 4 0 4 6 2. 
          THIS IS IN THE BUDGET FOR COUNTY COURT OF LAW NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE STATE PAYS THEIR PART FOR THE COPIER LEASE, UM, FOR, UH, THE ADULT PROBATION. 
          SO THIS IS IN THE BUDGET. 
          THIS IS ALL PART OF US, UH, GETTING COURTROOMS MOVED AROUND. 
          UM, AND, UH, I DID GET IT DOUBLE CHECKED WITH, UH, WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. 
          SAID, YEAH, MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN THE BUDGET AND, AND WE'RE GOOD. 
          SO WE DID KEEP IT IN THERE. 
          SO THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD EVENT. 
          WE JUST NEED THEM FOR, TO GET CCL ONE OPERATIONAL, WHICH I KNOW COMMISSIONER ALANA IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TOO. 
          THIS IS JUST ONE SIDE OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE MACHINES AND, AND THE ADULT PROBATION SIDE AND IN THE COURT OF LAW. 
          IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY? UH, WHEN I DIDN'T UNTIL YOU SAID WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO GET THE COURT OPERATIONAL. 
          YEAH, THIS IS THIS COURT OPERATIONAL NOW COUNTY COURT OF LAW ONE IS WORKING, BUT THIS GIVES THEM THE, THE MACHINES THAT, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THEM BEFORE, LIKE, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE USING FOR A COPY MACHINE. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE, BUT THIS IS FOR JUDGE WHEELER TO, TO GET A, A KIKA MACHINE THAT ACTUALLY RUNS A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THIS IS ALL PART OF MOVING INTO THAT OFFICE SPACE. 
          WELL, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I NEVER HAD ANY QUESTION UNTIL YOU MADE THAT COMMENT. 
          I'M GLAD IT'S OPERATIONAL NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SOME THAT DIDN'T, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WENT WITH THE NEW, THE NEW DISTRICT COURT. 
          IT STAYED AT THE NEW DISTRICT COURT. 
          YEAH, SO THAT'S, YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE TWO COPIER LEASES WITH CPI FOR THE NEW COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER ONE AND ADULT PROBATION INTAKE OFFICE IS EFFECTIVE. 
          MARCH 1ST, 2026. 
          SECOND. 
          GOT MY MOTION. 
          GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUANA. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          THAT BRINGS 
          [11. Discuss/Act on Proposed Change Order No. 71 to the agreement with Hill & Wilkinson Construction Group for the Rockwall County Annex project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, DISCUSS AND ACT ON PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 71 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER STACY, COMMISSIONER, JUDGE, AND AUDITOR. 
          I AM SO EXCITED THAT THIS IS THE FINAL CHANGE ORDER TO THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING, WHICH IS A REFUND AMOUNT TO THE COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT OF $45,926 AND 22 CENTS ON THE NEXT COURT. 
          WE WILL HAVE TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          WE'LL HAVE A CHANGE ORDER. 
          WE'LL HAVE A MOU, WE'LL DO ALL THAT STUFF 'CAUSE THIS IS ARPA MONEY. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS THE LAST COURT ACTION OTHER THAN ACCEPTING THE AUDIT AND ACCEPTING THE FINAL CHANGE ORDER AND THEN THE ANNEX IS CLOSED. 
          SO I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED TO GET TO THIS POINT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION? YES, JUDGE. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 71 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH HILL AND WILKINSON CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY ANNEX PROJECT. 
          GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER M**K. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. 
          THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          THAT BRINGS 
          [12. Discuss/Act on approving the sale of a Sheriff Office vehicle, pursuant to LCG 263.152(a)(l), to Delta County@ a quoted price of $2,000.]
US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING THE SALE OF SHERIFF OFFICE VEHICLE PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 3 0.152 PARENTHETICALS A AND ONE TO DELTA COUNTY AT A QUOTED PRICE OF $2,000. 
          I DON'T HAVE A NAME ON THIS, BUT I SUSPECT COMMISSIONER GOANA IS BEHIND THIS TRANSFER. 
          YEAH, WE, SO WE'VE DONE THESE BEFORE TO, UH, TO DELTA COUNTY, UH, BEFORE, AND, UH, THE VEHICLE'S WORTH A LITTLE MORE THAN THIS, BUT WE ARE NOT HAVING TO PAY TO STRIP ALL OF THE STUFF OFF OF THE VEHICLE. 
          THEY WILL HANDLE THAT, UH, FOR WHAT THEY DON'T WANT ON IT. 
          AND SO THAT SAVES US A LITTLE OVER THREE GRAND, UH, ON A TYPICAL STRIP. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, SO WE REDUCE THE PRICE A LITTLE BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE TYPICALLY, I MEAN, THESE CARS ARE IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THEM. 
          SO $2,000 WE'RE DO, DO THEY COME GET 'EM? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? WE'RE LUCKY TO GET THAT. 
          DELTA COUNTY 
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IS DELTA COUNTY'S COMING TO GET IT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? NO. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SALE OF A SHERIFF'S VEHICLE PURSUANT LO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 3 0.152 TO DELTA COUNTY GOT A FOR 2000 BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          THAT 
          [13. Discuss Strategic goal no.4, Initiative 1, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]
BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSS STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER FOUR, INITIATIVE ONE, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. 
          COMMISSIONER LICHTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN WE READ THAT STRATEGIC GOAL? DO YOU, I YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE EXPECTED THIS, BUT I HAVE THAT READY TO READ. 
          I EXPECTED THAT RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO EVERYONE THAT'S LISTENING CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE OPERATING INITIATIVE, NUMBER ONE IN STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND TO READ THAT ROLE, THAT INITIATIVE, IT SAYS IT IS TO REFINE ROLES, STRUCTURE AND MISSIONS, PLURAL OF A ROCK WALL INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM TO CREATE A COUNTYWIDE BODY TO INTEGRATE CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION, SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT, SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT, WATER CONSERVATION, AND INFRASTRUCTURE EFFORTS. 
          UM, THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS TO THE COURT IS BECAUSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND I'M PAINFULLY NOT PAINFULLY I'M AWARE OF, I, I HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH THE OBLIGATION OF, OF IMPLEMENTING STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER FOUR, WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT DOING BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I LOVE TO DO. 
          BUT THIS IS, UH, HAS A BUNCH OF OPERATING INITIATIVES WHICH ARE NOT EASILY SOLVED. 
          AND UNLIKE SOME I'VE BEEN TOLD WHO ARE ALREADY DONE WITH THEIRS, DANA, DANA DANA'S BEEN GIVING ME A, SHE'S BEEN CRACKING THE WHIP TO GET ME GOING. 
          AND, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS FIRST ONE IS SUCH A BROAD TOPIC THAT WE CANNOT, I I, I DIDN'T WANNA WORK WITH MY TEAM TO COME WITH A PROPOSAL WITHOUT HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU. 
          AND WE HAD OUR FIRST, UM, GOAL FOUR TEAM MEETING LAST WEEK, AND WE WENT THROUGH AND PROBABLY SPENT THREE QUARTERS OF OUR TIME ON THIS FIRST, FIRST TOPIC BECAUSE IT IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE, AND JUDGE KNEW ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO DO WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS WAS TO CONVERT THE ROAD CONSORTIUM INTO AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM. 
          AND THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE, BY THE COURT AS A, AS SOMETHING WE WOULD DO. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO IT. 
          AND I, I WOULD APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS, JUDGE, THAT YOU'VE BEEN BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER THAN JUST ROADS. 
          BUT IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THIS INITIATIVE SAYS, IT NEEDS TO DO A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          SO I'M, LET ME GIVE YOU GUYS JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, OF AN IDEA THAT WE CAME UP WITH IN OUR TEAM MEETING. 
          AND THEN, UM, AT SOME POINT I'LL SHUT UP AND LET YOU ALL TALK. 
          UM, IT SEEMED THAT IF THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE A CONSORTIUM AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IN ALL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CONCEPTS, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN SOMEONE JUST SHOWING UP. 
          AGAIN, NO CRITICISM TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS TO DO IT, BUT SOMEONE SHOWING UP ETCH MEETING AND SAYING, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WATER, OR I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS, A CONSORTIUM IN MEANS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND AS IT SAID IN THIS ONE, A COUNTY WIDE BODY TO INTEGRATE CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL EFFORTS. 
          SO THROUGH OUR COUNTY, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT GROUPS AND A BUNCH, BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          JUST LIKE FOR ROADS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL, EVERY CITY HAS THEIR OWN STREET CREWS AND THEY HAVE THEIR THOROUGHFARE PLANS, AND WE HAVE OUR COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLANS. 
          SO LIKE WE BROUGHT THOSE IN TO BE INTEGRATED AS ROADS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT ON A STRATEGIC BASIS WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF, UM, THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, I'VE GOT HERE ALSO, UH, A IF ANYONE CARES TO SEE IT SECTION I MADE COPIES. 
          THIS IS SECTION FIVE POINT 10 OF OUR ITS TITLE, APPORTIONMENT OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. 
          THIS IS FROM THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS AND INFRAS AND REGULATIONS. 
          AND IF, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THIS, I'LL GET IT. 
          THE REASON I BRING THIS IS BECAUSE 
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM. 
          AND TO THIS POINT, OUR COUNTY HAS MADE A DECISION THAT IT HAS IDENTIFIED 16 DIFFERENT TYPES OF IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, I'LL JUST READ 'EM REAL QUICK. 
          SCHOOLS, ROADS, E-S-C-E-M-T OR AMBULANCE, FIRE, POLICE, WATER, SEWER, BROADBAND, ELECTRIC, NATURAL GAS, OPEN SPACE, DRAINAGE, ANIMAL CONTROL DISPATCH, NINE 11 GIS SERVICES, TRASH REFUSE, AND RADIO COMMUNICATIONS. 
          SO HOW DO WE INCORPORATE ALL THOSE IDENTIFIED TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE INTO A CONSORTIUM? THE AN IDEA THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH AND WANTED TO PUT BEFORE YOU ALL AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON, IS TO CREATE CONSORTIUM SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WOULD EFFECTIVELY CREATE MANY CONSORTIUMS THAT ARE ALL SUPERVISED BY THE OVERALL CONSORTIUM. 
          HOW THAT ALL'S GONNA WORK, I'M NOT PREPARED TO SAY, BUT WE CAME UP WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT SUB CONSORTIUM SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE COULD CONSORTIUM COULD HAVE. 
          AND I'LL READ THOSE TO YOU REAL QUICK. 
          UM, FIRST IS ROADS. 
          'CAUSE WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE ROAD CONSORTIUM. 
          SECOND IS WATER THIRD ON A RELATED MATTER. 
          BUT, UM, OUR ENGINEER COULD EXPLAIN MUD THAN ME IS A DRAINAGE AND HYDROLOGY, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE SANITARY SEWER. 
          UM, SANITARY SEWER MIGHT BE ONE OF ITS OWN, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT THOSE, ALL, ALL THOSE TOGETHER. 
          DRAINAGE, HYDROLOGY, AND SANITARY SEWER. 
          FOURTH WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACES SUBCOMMITTEE, BECAUSE OPEN SPACES ARE CLEARLY AN ELEMENT OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT'S BUILT INTO OUR REGULATIONS. 
          UM, AND ON THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO INCORPORATE THE OPEN SPACE, UH, ALLIANCE, WHICH IS AN EXISTING 5 0 1 C3. 
          AND THAT'S ELSEWHERE IN OUR, UH, IN, IN THESE, IT TALKS ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE TO DO THAT AND UTILIZING THEM. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE FOURTH SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UH, THE FIFTH WOULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS, PROBABLY WOULD, BUT AGAIN, A PUBLIC SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE OF OUR CONSORTIUM. 
          UM, SCHOOLS, A SCHOOL SUBCOMMITTEE, 'CAUSE THAT'S LISTED AS ONE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS. UM, AND THEN LAST, THERE'S WHAT WE CALLED SERVICES, BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN HERE IN THIS LIST WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN FIVE POINT 10, WHICH ARE REALLY SERVICE RELATED. 
          AND IF YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM PEOPLE IN THE PAST, DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT THINGS BEFORE US, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING THEM FOR APPORTIONMENTS. 
          WE'RE ASKING THEM TO MAKE SURE THEIR SERVICE PROVIDED. 
          AND SO WITHIN THE SERVICE CATEGORIES, IT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BROADBAND, ELECTRIC, NATURAL GAS, ANIMAL CONTROL, TRASH AND REFUSE, ET CETERA. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY. 
          AND THEN HOW THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES WOULD WORK WILL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO DEFINE, BUT IF THAT GENERAL CONCEPT IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL AGREE WITH, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO BETTER DEFINE THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR STRATEGIC STRATEGIC GOAL FOR TEAM. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST BIG POINT, IS TO COME UP WITH THIS MODEL OF SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          UM, THE SECOND ONE IS TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE GOVERNANCE OF IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE, UH, EITHER A CONSTITUTION OR BYLAWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, THAT SAYS HOW THIS CONSORTIUM'S GONNA RUN. 
          WE, WE HAVE DESIGNATED THE JUDGE AS OUR LEADER OF THE CONSORTIUM, I THINK. 
          RIGHT? YOU'RE THE LEADER. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE DESIGNATED THE JUDGE AS A LEADER, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING THAT SAYS HOW IT WORKS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY EVEN HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS WHO THE LEADER IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS THE SIGN OF THE SECOND BIG POINT, UM, IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA RUN THIS, TO PUT IT IN WRITING, AND IF THAT'S A SET OF BYLAWS OR IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE A 5 0 1 C3 TO DO IT, OR A NONPROFIT CORPORATION, MAYBE NOT A 5 0 1 C3, BUT JUST A NONPROFIT CORPORATION. 
          AND WE HAVE TO CREATE ACTUALLY ARTICLES OF, OF, OF CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, 
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ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION, CONSTITUTION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 
          UM, OR, AND BYLAWS THAT WILL DEFINE HOW THESE, UH, HOW THE OVERALL COMMITTEE WORKS, WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE OVERALL COMMITTEE, WHAT STRUCTURAL SUBCOMMITTEES WE HAVE, AND HOW THOSE INTERACT, HOW THEY RELATE, HOW THOSE COMMITTEES RELATE TO THE OVERALL COMMITTEE. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU TYPICALLY, EXCUSE ME, TYPICALLY SEE IN BYLAWS IS HOW COMMITTEES ARE FORMED AND HOW THEY'RE UTILIZED. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER BIG STEP THAT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT ON NOW. 
          AND I DON'T EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WALK OUT OF HERE TODAY WITH ANY SOLUTIONS, BUT I WANT DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL WORK OUR, MY THE TEAM, STRATEGIC TEAM FOUR, GO FOUR, UM, STRATEGIC TEAM FOUR WILL COME BACK. 
          NO  NO, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME PROPOSALS TO YOU ALL. 
          THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM TODAY. 
          IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION. 
          COULD HAVE MAYBE DONE THIS IN A WORKSHOP, BUT I JUST CHOSE TO BRING IT FOR YOU ALL NOW. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, WHERE WE ARE BASED ON OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR TEAM FOR, AND I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT. 
          SO THE, THE, THE LAST COMMITTEE I SERVED WITH YOU COUNTYWIDE, YOU WROTE A BUNCH OF BYLAWS FOR AS WELL. 
          I DID. 
          SO, UH, YOU'RE DEFINITELY THE MAN FOR THE JOB. 
          I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF BYLAWS IN MY LIFE. 
          YOU HAVE, UM, MY, MY WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS IS YES, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET TO WRITING WHAT THESE COMMITTEES DO AND DON'T DO AND, AND HOW THEY ADVISE THE COURT, I MEAN, THERE, THERE, WITH THIS BEING NEW, I, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON THAT OTHER THAN I THINK YOU'RE DEFINITELY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          AND I LIKE WHERE YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE WENT, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY COMMENTS AFTER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I AM, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA THROW, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE INTO THE MIX HERE. 
          UM, AND REAL QUICK HISTORY, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER MAGNUS THAT CAME UP WITH THE CONSORTIUM AND I WAS TOLD ONE OF THE REASONS HE, UH, UM, MADE IT A CONSORTIUM AND NOT A COMMITTEE IS RECORD KEEPING, UH, A CONSORTIUM. 
          YOU HAVE NO DUTY TO KEEP RECORDS. 
          NOW WE RECORD IT, OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA BE TRANSPARENT, BUT IT DIDN'T REQUIRE THE COUNTY CLERK TO BE HERE KEEPING, KEEPING NOTES AND MINUTES AND AS APPROVING MINUTES AND DIDN'T REQUIRE US TO HAVE A BYLAW. 
          I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY OUTGROWN YES. 
          THAT, THAT FORMAT, TO BE HONEST. 
          AND, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO STRUCTURE IT. 
          WE CAN CALL IT A CONSORTIUM OR WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT WE NEED TO STRUCTURE IT AS AN ACTUAL COMMITTEE THAT DOES HAVE RECORD KEEPING RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD ASK, AND, AND, AND LOVE THIS, I LOVE THE SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO BRING, UH, THE COUNTY CLERK INTO THE CONVERSATION AS WELL. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE, WE ARE, THE PACKAGE, WE HAVE, WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MEETINGS AND WE'VE EXCEEDED IT, AND I WOULD EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED IT AGAIN THIS YEAR. 
          SO THERE WILL BE SOME COST ASSOCIATED ASSOCIATED WITH MAKING THIS A COMMITTEE AND NOT A CONSORTIUM. 
          UH, BUT STILL, IT, IT, IT'S WORTH DOING. 
          AND, AND I LIKE THIS IDEA. 
          UH, AND, AND I KINDA LIKE, IN MY MIND THE STRUCTURE OF HAVING THE CONSORTIUM AND WHATEVER MEMBERSHIP IT IS AND THEN HAVING THE SUB REPORT TO THE ENTIRE CONSORTIUM, UH, I THINKS I THINK'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          YOU WANT ME TO GO NEXT? YOU GO AHEAD. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I, I, I AGREE. 
          I LIKE THIS A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE I, I LIKE STRUCTURE  AND ORDER AND, AND I THINK THAT HAVING, HAVING THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND HAVING SOME KIND OF RULES OF DECORUM, GOVERNANCE, UM, BYLAWS, WHATEVER, I THINK THAT WE'RE GROWING GUYS AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA, WE GOTTA PUT ON OUR, OUR BIG COUNTY, YOU KNOW, PANTS ON AND, AND, AND DO THIS. 
          NOW, HERE'S, I WANTED TO ASK YOU THOUGH, WHERE DID YOU PUT SEWER? 'CAUSE I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MAIN ONES. 
          WHERE DID YOU AND HYDROLOGY DRAINAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          DRAINAGE AND HYDROLOGY AND SEWER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST, AND, AND LIKE I SAID IN OUR MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE ONE, BUT MAYBE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D NEED TO YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THAT I, YEAH, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE UNDER DRAINAGE. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK OUR ENGINEER TO COME UP AND HERE SHE COMES BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THIS FALLS UNDER HER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MORE QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE. 
          AND BY THE WAY, SHE'S A PROUD MEMBER OF TEAM FOUR . 
          TEAM FOUR. 
          WE ARE GOING DOWN THE PATH THAT LEADERSHIP ROCK WALLS GONE DOWN. 
          IT'S AN ADVERSARIAL GROUP. 
          OH, I LOVE THAT. 
          T-SHIRTS ARE COMING SOON. 
          Y THESE SHORTS ARE COMING SOON. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          WE HAVE LIKE A 
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SEWER, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THERE. 
           RYAN TOOK A DRINK. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANNA STRUCTURE IT, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD PROBABLY TO KEEP WATER AND WASTEWATER TOGETHER. 
          UH, AND THEN DRAINAGE COULD JUST BE ITS OWN. 
          AND DRAINAGE WILL ENCOMPASS FLOODPLAINS, UM, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ARE LOCALIZED. 
          UM, KIND OF THE GAMUT O OF DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST MY 2 CENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER ALANA, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, SIR? OKAY. 
          I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA AND IN FACT, I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY MEMBERS OF THE CONSORTIUM ALREADY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED WITH WHERE THE CONSORTIUM WAS GOING. 
          NO, NO DISRESPECT MEANT, BUT IT WAS JUST KIND OF DEAD, IN MY OPINION. 
          IT IS JUST LIKE WE'RE HAVING THE SAME MEETING GOING OVER PIECES OF PAPER AND I, I WANT SOME ENERGY, UH, SOME REINVIGORATION INTO THESE. 
          MAYBE THIS WILL HELP US DO THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE CONSORTIUM WERE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. 
          AND WE HAVE GOT TO, UM, KIND OF GET OFF OF THAT AND, AND GET MOVING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF SEVEN SEVEN SEEMS LIKE A TON OF SUBCOMMITTEES TO ME. 
          UH, BUT, BUT WE'LL TALK, WE'LL TALK THAT THROUGH. 
          I THINK SOME OF THESE CAN BE COMBINED. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE AN ESC, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COULD MAYBE GO OVER THERE. 
          I WOULD, WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE GOING, BUT SEVEN SEEMS LIKE A LOT, UM, TO ALL HAVE TO MEET SEPARATELY AND THEN HAVE A MEETING TO ROLL EVERYTHING UP. 
          THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT. 
          IT'S A LOT. 
          BUT I, I SEE THE LOGIC IN THAT. 
          I DO TOO. 
          HE, HE WORKED BACKWARDS FROM THE, THE LIST OF 16. 
          ARE THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH? I MEAN, THESE MAY NOT BE MONTHLY MEETINGS EITHER. 
          I GUESS SOME OF THESE COMMITTEE COULD BE QUARTERLY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO DO FOR RIGHT. 
          MONTHLY. 
          AND I WOULD ENVISION IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR EACH OF THESE COMMITTEES. 
          AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, AS COMMISSIONER, UM, STACY COULD  TAKE  AS COMMISSIONER CA STACY COULD ATTEST. 
          IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME WHEN WE WORK ON COMMITTEES LIKE THIS. 
          SO WE GET A, A WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          SO WE WOULD WANNA HAVE, UH, COMMITTEE CHAIRS THAT WOULD FIND PEOPLE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES, DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE GOOD REPRESENTATION, BECAUSE WE NEVER WANNA GET TOO, TOO MUCH TIED TO ONE CITY OR ONE AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IT MAY BE TOO MUCH, FRANKLY. 
          BUT IT'S, I AGREE. 
          BUT THE IDEA OF PUTTING INTO COMMITTEES, YOU GENERALLY AGREE WITH THAT? YES. 
          NO, WE NEED IT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS WILL DRIVE, DRIVE SOME ENERGY BACK INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSORTIUM, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED RUN RULES. 
          I AGREE. 
          WE NEED BYLAWS OR RUN RULES. 
          WE NEED SOMETHING. 
          AND IT NEEDS TO DEFINE WHO'S SITTING ON THESE COMMITTEES, INCLUDING ROADS. 
          I, I THINK SOMEONE FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE CITY COUNCILS CAN APPOINT WHO THEY WANT ON DIFFERENT, I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN, WITHIN THEM CITY COUNCILS TO POINT WHO THEY MIGHT LIKE TO SEE ABSOLUTELY. 
          ON THESE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES AND WHO THEY WOULD WANT TO SIT ON THERE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DEFINE HOW MANY PEOPLE SIT ON IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT LET THE COUNCILS DECIDE WHO THEY WANT REPRESENTING THEIR CITIES, AT LEAST BE PART OF IT. 
          NO, I, I AGREE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER GOANA, UH, SO I'VE SIT ON THE CONSORTIUM SINCE 2018. 
          UH, AND THE SAME FRUSTRATION HAS BEEN THERE, THE, THE, THE WHOLE TIME THAT WE JUST COME AND WE LOOK AT, AT PAPERS AND, AND EAT POTATO CHIPS, AND THEN WE STOPPED EATING POTATO CHIPS. 
          WE, WE DID STOP EATING POTATO CHIPS. 
          SO, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND I GET IT, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT EITHER OF YOU SAID ON THAT POINT. 
          UM, AND I GO BACK TO, I WAS WORKING WITH THE CONSORTIUM BACK IN OH EIGHT WHEN IT WAS FIRST FORMED, AND THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME OF THAT SHOWING UP FOR MEETINGS AND NOT MUCH GOING ON. 
          BUT IF YOU THINK OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR, UM, AND YOU HEAR CRITICISM FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON ROADS, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION THEY'RE AT. 
          BUT I, I WOULD DARE SAY THAT IN THE LAST YEAR, 2025, WE HAD MORE PRODUCTIVE ROAD CONSORTIUM MEETINGS THAN WE'VE HAD IN QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE WE WERE DOING THINGS, YEAH. 
          WE WERE GETTING OUT AND TAKING ACTION. 
          WHEN YOU'RE DOING STUFF AND MAKING THINGS HAPPEN AND TRYING TO ISSUE BONDS, THERE'S JUST NATURALLY A NEED FOR MORE 
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ACTIVITY. 
          AND SO I THINK SOME OF THE, UH, COMPLAINTS WE HEAR, SOME OF THE CRITICISM WE HEAR MAY BE AS NEED A BIT OUTDATED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MAY GO AWAY IF WE HAVE A CLEARLY DEFINED BYLAWS COULD BE YEP, MM-HMM. 
          OF WHAT THE CONSORTIUM DOES, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GET A DOZEN DIFFERENT ANSWERS IF YOU ASK A DOZEN DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF WHAT, WHAT THE ENTITY ACTUALLY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND, AND IN ADDITION, I, SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES THAT WE'VE ACCEPTED OUTSIDE OF JUST THIS COURT. 
          THINGS LIKE WITH COG OR WHOEVER ELSE, IT MAY BE WATERBOARD, OTHER, OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DEF DEFINE ON THIS COURT AGAIN, AFTER WE SET UP THESE COMMITTEES AND WE DECIDE WHO'S GONNA LEAD THEM, WHO'S DOING THOSE ROLES AGAIN. 
          AND IT NEEDS TO RELATE TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT KIND OF, UH, YEAH, NO ACTION. 
          THE, THE, THE DIRECTION FROM, FROM THE COURT, UH, 
          [14. CONSENT AGENDA]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKED TO PULL CONSENT AGENDA E. 
          YES. 
          UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PULL THAT. 
          WELL JUDGE, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          A, B, C, D, F, AND G. 
          GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. 
          STACY, I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, BUT WE'LL GET A GIVE A SECOND THEN I'LL SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I, I DON'T REALLY, UM, I, I'D LIKE FOR US TO PULL G AS WELL, NOT BECAUSE I'M AGAINST IT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UM, VERBALIZE IT IN THE MEETING IF WE CAN, AS REGARDS TO THE STATUS OF, YOU KNOW, U THE USAGE OF THE ANNEX RENTALS AND, UH, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO PROCEDURALLY WE HAVE A MOTION THAT INCLUDES G IN THE FURTHER COMMENTS WE'VE ASKED TO REMOVE G, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, WHICH WILL REQUIRE US, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE PRIOR MOTION TO REMOVE CONSENT ITEM G ALSO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND, AND WE HAVE A CONTINUED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA. 
          SO WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A, B, C, D, AND F AS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. 
          SO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THOSE? I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE OVERALL MOTION. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO, OKAY. 
          LET'S VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT NOW. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. 
          THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          NOW WE WILL TAKE UP THE MOTION SOON AS I CAN PUSH THE BUTTONS. 
          IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO AS 
          [14.e. Rescind Court action previously approved on January 27, 2026, regarding Copier  Lease for JP# 3, should be for JP #1]
WELL. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE AGENDA OR CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM E, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT IF WE COULD, AND THEN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO G. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO G. 
          SO JUST SO WE'RE PULLING THAT OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO DO IS WE'RE GONNA BRING JP ONE TO THE NEXT COURT AND JUST, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP THAT ACTION. 
          SO JP THREE WILL CONTINUE THE COPY MACHINE AS WE APPROVED, AND JP ONE WILL COME FORWARD. 
          IT WAS JUST, THERE'S A LITTLE MIX UP AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE JUDGE NEW ACKNOWLEDGE THE USE OF THE ANNEX FOR THE 1836 PROJECT ON MAY 7TH, 2026. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT? JUDGE RUSSO OR BARRY COMPTON OR JUDGE RUSSO? JUDGE RUSSO, COME ON, JUDGE RUSSO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JUDGE COMMISSIONER COURT. 
          UH, THIS IS ABOUT THE 1836 PROJECT, WHICH OUR REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE CHAIRMAN IS ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THIS IS ABOUT TEXAS HISTORY AND THE TEA, IT IS A STATE COMMISSION. 
          THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO GO AND THEY WANTED TO COME HERE. 
          UH, THEY SELECTED MAY 7TH. 
          AND AS A LIAISON, BECAUSE OF MY INVOLVEMENT IN HISTORY, I, UH, HAVE WORKED TO PUT IT ON, I TALKED TO JUDGE NEW, AND THEN THEREFORE IT WOULD BE BASICALLY NOT AN ALL DAY, BUT TO RESERVE IT FOR THAT DAY. 
          I DID CHECK, UM, WITH ELECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS NEEDED AND MAKING SURE THE ROOM WAS AVAILABLE AND CLEAR. 
          AND SO, UH, BASICALLY THEY'LL HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO CHARLES WRIGHT WOULD BE THE CONTACT PERSON ON THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT JUST IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE KATRINA PEARSON, UH, OUR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, IN AS A BOARD MEMBER. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD THING ALL ROUND. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS, 'CAUSE THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WERE GONNA COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE, THE FEES FOR THIS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S OKAY. 
          WE HAVEN'T MADE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL DO THAT. 
          BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE WAIVING THE FEES FOR ALL DAY LONG FOR THIS, THIS FACILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND 
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I THINK ALL THEY'RE USING IS THE ROOM, AND THEN THERE IS SOME AV THAT THEY WOULD NEED, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S NOTHING. 
          AND IT IS MORE OF A PROFESSIONAL AND MORE GOVERNMENT USE. 
          AND IN THE PAST, HISTORICALLY, UH, YOU HAVE WAIVED IT FOR GOVERNMENT USE. 
          UM, ANYTHING THAT IS GOVERNMENT RELATED WHEN YOU WERE AT THE LIBRARY MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU WERE A GOVERNMENT OR ANY REPRESENTATIVE, YOU WOULD USE THAT. 
          SO BASICALLY THIS IS A TA UM, TYPE EVENT, SO THEREFORE IT WOULD FALL UNDER THOSE GUIDELINES UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING THOSE CHANGES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST NOT A HISTORICAL TYPE EVENT. 
          IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY ENOUGH, MY, MY READING WAS CORRECT THAT I LOOKED AT, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A STATE COMMISSION STATE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          AUTHORIZED COMMISSION, YES. 
          SO, UM, IN MY, AND IF EVERYBODY KNOWS, I, I VOTED AGAINST WAIVING FEES LAST TIME AND I WANNA EXPLAIN HERE THAT IN MY OPINION, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTHY OF, WE SHOULD BE WAIVING OUR FEES FOR, 'CAUSE IT'S A STATE COMMISSION AND WE'RE COOPERATING WITH THEM AND WORKING WITH THEM. 
          SO YES, SIR. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION ON CONSENT ITEM G, THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE USE OF THE ANNEX FOR THE 1836 PROJECT ON MAY 7TH, 2026, WAIVING ALL FEES. 
          I'LL SECOND GOT MY MOTION. 
          GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. 
          THAT PASSES FIVE 
          [15. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]
TO ZERO. 
          THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 15, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS, DISPOSITIONS. 
          WELL, I WILL, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ALL PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS, DISPOSITIONS AS PRESENTED. 
          GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOANA, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. 
          NOW THAT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          [17. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]
THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 17, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLLS. 
          MS. WILEY. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UH, I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $716,221 AND 48 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. 
          SO MOVED. 
          GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GLENNA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. 
          IF YOU'LL REGISTER, YOUR VOTES PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          I'M ALSO SUBMITTING UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,564,264 AND 25 CENTS, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. 
          SO MOVED. 
          MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          I'M SUBMITTING TO ALSO THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING JANUARY 17TH, 2026 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,175,463 AND 97 CENTS. 
          AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. 
          SO MOVED. 
          GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUANA. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. 
          IT PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          THAT 
          [18. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 18, EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA OR IN THIS ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 5 5 1 OPEN MEETING, SUB CHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY. 
          ON THOSE ITEMS, WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON A PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT INFORMATION DISCUSSION OF DR. HORTON LITIGATION AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS AND PERSONNEL MATTERS. 
          DISCUSSION REGARDING THE OPEN FIRE MARSHAL POSITION AT 10 51. 
          WE ARE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          [19. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]
ALL RIGHT, AT 1154, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.001. 
          THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION TO TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU NO ACTION TAKEN. 
          THAT BRINGS US 
          [20. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]
TO AGENDA ITEM 20, COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS. 
          LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER STACEY. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO JACKSON SMITH AND JBA ROCKWELL'S OWN GOT HIMSELF A SUPER BOWL RING ON SUNDAY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING FOR YOU, JUDGE. 
          ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA SAVE YOU COMMISSIONER LTE AS, AS MY, UH, CLOSING ACT. 
          COMMISSIONER GOANA, NOTHING TO REPORT. 
          ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER M**K, WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY IN THE HOUSE, GENTLEMEN. 
          OH, LOOK OUT. 
          I WANNA, I WANNA REACH OUT AND SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JIM BARTOW TODAY, OUR PIO HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIM BARTOW. 
          I EXPECT A PRESS RELEASE LATER, 
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. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, AND COMMISSIONER LTI. 
          UH, THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO DALE MORGAN, OUR CONDOLENCES TO HIS WIFE. 
          KAY. 
          UM, HE, UH, PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY AND, UH, GREAT PUBLIC SERVANT. 
          I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HIM ON THE OPEN SPACE ALLIANCE FOR 10 YEARS OR SO AND REALLY ENJOYED ALL THOSE INTERCHANGES. 
          UM, THIS BEING THE 250TH YEAR OF OUR NATION, I'M CONTINUING MY SERIES ON THIS WEEK IN 1776. 
          NOW, AND ON THIS DAY, UH, ON FEBRUARY 10, THE HMS CRUISER COMMANDED BY CAPTAIN FRANCIS PERRY, CAPTURED THE USS AMERICA AS IT WAS SAILING UP THE CAREER CAPE FEAR RIVER. 
          ALTHOUGH THIS WAS A MINOR VICTORY FOR THE BRITISH, THE HMS CRUISER HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN REBUFFED ON TWO OCCASIONS ON JANUARY 26TH THAT SLOOP HAD TRIED TO GET CLOSE TO FORT JOHNSON, NORTH CAROLINA, BUT A SMALL BUT INTEGRAL PART OF THE, WHICH WAS A SMALL BUT INTEGRAL PART OF THE COLONIES, COASTAL DEFENSES OFF THE NORTH CAROLINA COAST, BUT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THE NEXT DAY, ON JANUARY 27TH, THE CRUISER WAS ORDERED TO SAIL UP THE CAPE FAIR RIVER, BUT WAS TURNED BACK. 
          THE CRUISER TRIED TO LAND A RAIDING PARTY, BUT WAS FORCED TO ABANDON IT AFTER RECEIVING UNRELENTING RIFLE FIRE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. 
          SO WHILE THEY HAD A SMALL VICTORY 250 YEARS AGO TODAY, THEY'D BEEN BEATEN TWICE BY US PREVIOUSLY . 
          SO JUST AGAIN, THANKING ALL THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR OUR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, FOR MY COMMISSIONER COURT REPORT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KAMI WEBB FOR A QUICK RECOGNITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS YOU, UM, MAY RECALL, YOU ACKNOWLEDGED A SAFETY AWARD THAT THE COUNTY RECENTLY RECEIVED, AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BY READING THE PRESS RELEASE FROM TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND RECOGNIZE THE SAFETY COMMITTEE MEET, UH, MEMBERS WHO, UM, WORKED TO MAKE OUR COUNTY SAFER. 
          ROCKWELL COUNTY HAS EARNED A 2025 EXCELLENCE IN SAFETY AWARD FROM THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES RISK MANAGEMENT POOL, WHICH IS KNOWN AS TAC RMP, RECOGNIZING ITS OUTSTANDING COMMITMENT TO WORKPLACE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVE MANAGEMENT OF WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIMS. TO QUALIFY FOR THE AWARD, COUNTY MUST PARTICIPATE IN TAC RMPS WORKERS' COMPENSATION PROGRAM. 
          WE MUST MAINTAIN A SAFETY OR ACCIDENT PREVENTION PLAN AND OPERATE AN ACTIVE SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          THE HONOR IS THE HIGHEST SAFETY DISTINCTION THAT TAC AWARDS TO ITS MEMBERS BY PROMOTING SAFE WORK PRACTICES. 
          ROCKWALL COUNTY HAS REDUCED EMPLOYEE INJURIES AND DELIVERED SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO TAXPAYERS BY LOWERING WORKERS' COMPENSATION COSTS. 
          ROCKWALL COUNTY IS ONE OF ONLY 13 COUNTIES STATEWIDE TO EARN A 2025 EXCELLENCE IN SAFETY AWARD GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF COUNTY OFFICIALS. 
          TAC RMP HAS PROVIDED TEXAS COUNTIES WITH PROTECTION AGAINST RISK AND LIABILITIES FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS. 
          UM, AND THEY CLAIM TO HELP COUNTIES IMPROVE SAFETY WHILE SAVING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO MEET AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR TO REVIEW ALL OF OUR CLAIMS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS, UH, TRAINING THAT OUR EMPLOYEES CAN PARTICIPATE IN TO HELP REDUCE THOSE CLAIMS. FROM HR, WE HAVE KATIE RUFF AND MANDY LANDERS. 
          FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE HAVE ERICA BRIDGES AND ALAN SMITH. 
          FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE HAVE LIEUTENANT LIEUTENANT HOBBES AND DEPUTY WILBURN, AND FROM FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, BARRY COMPTON. 
          SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, KAMI. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SAFETY COMMITTEE AT 1159. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK.
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