[00:00:03] EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. I'M GOING TO CALL OUR COMMISSIONERS COURT. REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER IS APRIL 28TH, 2026, 9 A.M. COMMISSIONER STACY IS GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION. THEN I'LL LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE BOW WITH ME. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE APPOINTED US TO SERVE. I PRAY THAT YOUR WISDOM WILL GUIDE OUR MEETING. LORD, I PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN, AND THEIR FAMILIES ALL OVER THE WORLD. WE THANK YOU. WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH US AS WE DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF THIS COUNTY. IT'S IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. JOIN ME AS WE PLEDGE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS FLAG HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. FIRST UP IS [a. Employee of the Quarter/First Quarter 2026: Jesse Henriquez – Sheriff’s Office] RECOGNITION AND PRESENTATION. WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER. FIRST QUARTER 2026 JESSE ENRIQUEZ FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SHERIFF GARRETT, COME ON UP AND TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. IT'S OUR PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE OFFICER JESSE ENRIQUEZ. HE'S BEEN SELECTED FOR OUR FIRST QUARTER EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER FOR THIS YEAR. AND HE'S BEEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NOW FOR NINE YEARS. HE'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO TRANSPORT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS OR FOR THREE YEARS OF THAT. AND HE CONTINUES TO GET COMMENDATIONS AND ACCOLADES FROM HIS HIS ABILITY TO WORK WITH OTHER DETENTION OFFICERS AND IN WHAT HE DOES IN TRANSPORT WITH THE INMATES, WHETHER IT'S TO THE COURTS OR TO OTHER AGENCIES, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE WRITTEN ABOUT HIM WAS BEING ASSIGNED TO THE TRANSPORT DIVISION, AND THIS TIME HE'S PROVED HIMSELF AS A LEADER WITHIN THE UNIT, MENTORING AND GAINING NEW EXPERIENCE. AND IN PASSING ON THAT EXPERIENCE TO TEAM MEMBERS, HE'S WILLING AND HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN PUTTING BEING PUT IN CHARGE OF THE TRANSPORT UNIT WHEN CALLED UPON, AND HE WORKS DILIGENTLY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN ROCKWALL COUNTY, INCLUDING ALL FIVE CRIMINAL COURTS AND COURT SECURITY, TO ENSURE SMOOTH OPERATIONS, BOTH AT THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL. HE WORKS WITH OTHER LOCAL AND STATE AGENCIES TO COORDINATE INMATE TRANSPORTS TO AND FROM THE JAIL. WHEN THEY'RE TRANSPORTED FROM THE STATE, BACK HERE OR ANY OTHER COUNTY. SO IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE. I INTRODUCE JESSE ENRIQUEZ TO YOU AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. I'LL SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY. ANYTHING, JESSE? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SHERIFF. IT'S AN HONOR. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. A FEW WORDS, MAN, A FEW WORDS, I LIKE IT, I LIKE IT. THANK YOU. [1. PUBLIC FORUM: (This is the public’s opportunity to address the Commissioners Court about County matters. During this meeting, the Commissioners Court will not discuss, consider or take action on any item not included on this meeting’s agenda. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during the Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)] ALL RIGHT. THIS TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC FORUM. IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT REGARDING ANY COUNTY MATTERS. WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP, MR. FRANK MERLINO. IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD WHILE FRANK IS COMING FORWARD, JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING. SO IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, YOU CAN GO AFTER FRANK. TAKE IT AWAY, MR. MERLINO. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. JUDGE. MY NAME IS FRANK MERLINO. I LIVE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, 2410 WINDCREST DRIVE OUT IN LAKE HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES. I JUST WANTED TO COME TODAY AND SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR COMING OUT THERE LAST WEEK, SPENDING FIVE HOURS WITH US, TOURING THE COMMUNITY AND THEN MEETING WITH ABOUT 70 TO 80 OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. IT REALLY MEANT A LOT TO THEM TO SEE ALL OF YOU THERE, TO SHOW THAT YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT COMMUNITY. I KNOW IT WAS A LONG, A LONG FOUR HOURS, FIVE HOURS, BUT I THINK IT WAS WELL WORTH IT. AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO ITEM NUMBER 19 TODAY, THAT IT HELPS TO INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION AFTER SEEING WHAT YOU SAW OUT THERE. I ALSO HAVE A WHOLE BUNDLE OF PHOTOS OF THE WILDLIFE THAT SINCE THAT MEETING THAT HAS BEEN SENT TO ME. SO I'LL BE FORWARDING THAT TO ALL OF YOU AND COMMISSIONER GALLINA WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE. I KNOW YOU MISS IT. WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO COME OUT, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT FOR YOU. SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. IT MEANT A LOT THAT YOU GUYS [2. Discuss/Act on Family & Community Health Report at the request of County Extension Agent, Aimee Sandifeer to present volunteer programs, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] CAME OUT FOR THAT. SO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. FRANK. DOES ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT ON ANY COUNTY MATTERS? SEEING NO ONE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO. DISCUSS AND ACT ON FAMILY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH REPORT AT THE REQUEST OF COUNTY EXTENSION AGENT DOCTOR AMY SANDIFER, TO PRESENT VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH THANK YOU JUDGE. I SEE DOCTOR SANDIFER COMING UP HERE AND SHE HAS PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE SHE'S ALSO LEFT SOMETHING ON EACH ONE OF OUR [00:05:05] FRONT OF OUR DESKS. YES, I DID YOU HEAR ME? MICROPHONE. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE SOME FAMILY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH INFORMATION WITH YOU. I HAVE BROUGHT WITH ME TODAY RIHANNA, JONES. I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN RIHANNA BEFORE. SHE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT SHE'S DOING. AND SHE ALSO SERVES AS A MY PLATE AMBASSADOR. SHE'S A HEALTHY TEXAS YOUTH AMBASSADOR ALSO. AND SO SHE'S GOING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PROGRAM. AND WE'RE GOING TO SHARE A REPORT WITH THE BIG EVENT THAT WE HAD AT ROCKWALL-HEATH HIGH SCHOOL. WE ALSO HAVE A YOUNG MAN, JEET SODHI. HE'S A MY PLATE AMBASSADOR. HE GOES TO HEATH. AND HE ALSO PROVIDED THERE'LL BE A REPORT IN THERE AFTER OUR INFOGRAPHIC THAT RHIANNA WILL SHARE. AND HE DID A BREAKDOWN OF THE REPORT FOR YOU. HE COULD NOT BE WITH US TODAY BECAUSE HE COULD NOT GET OUT OF SCHOOL, BUT HE PREPARED THE REPORT FOR YOU. AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE UPCOMING PROGRAMS THAT ARE HAPPENING. YOU READY? RYAN IS GOING TO SHARE WHAT SHE'S BEEN DOING WITH FOUR H LATELY. HI. SO I'M REYNA. I WAS RECENTLY ACCEPTED TO BECOME A HEALTHY TEXAS AMBASSADOR. FOR THE SECOND YEAR, I WAS A PART OF THE FASHION PROJECT IN FOUR H, AND I ENTERED A STORYBOARD DISTRICT AND I WANTED TO SHARE HER STORYBOARD WITH YOU. THAT WENT TO DISTRICT. I WON THIRD PLACE IN DISTRICT, AND I'LL BE GOING TO STATE WITH IT IN JUNE IN COLLEGE STATION. WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, I WAS WORKING TOWARDS MY JP CERTIFICATION AND I ACHIEVED THAT AND I AM NOW WORKING OR I ACCEPTED RECENTLY TO BECOME A PHOTOGRAPHY MASTER. I ALSO HAVE SIX PHOTOS GOING TO STATE IN JUNE ALSO, AND IN THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE I WILL BE GOING TO COLLEGE STATION TO BE GOING TO SUMMITS FOR BOTH OF MY AMBASSADORSHIPS AND HEALTHY TEXAS AND FOR PHOTOGRAPHY. YES, RHIANNA, CAN YOU TELL EVERYONE WHAT IT QUALIFIES TO BE A HEALTHY TEXAN OR WHAT THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? YEAH. WELL, SO IT'S AMBASSADORSHIP THAT I HAVE TO GO TO TRAINING FOR IN COLLEGE STATION. SO I HAVE TO GO COMPLETE LIKE TWO DAYS OF TRAINING TO GO THERE. AND THEN I COME BACK AND DO PROGRAMS FOR WITH AMY. HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU PUT IN PER YEAR? I DO 40 HOURS PER YEAR FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE. THANK YOU. YES. AND WE GENERALLY REACH AUDIENCES WHERE WE'RE DOING PROGRAMING. SO SHE HAS BEEN ABLE TO COME TO SOME OF THE PROGRAMS AND PRESENT THE PROGRAMING. WE'VE HAD A HEALTHY WELLNESS PROGRAM WHERE IT'S HEALTHY BLOOD PRESSURE. SO RHIANNA DOES PART OF THE PROGRAMING. SHE TEACHES THE LESSON AND SHE ALSO PRESENTS A WE DO A NO SALT SPICE RECIPE OR MIX RECIPE THAT THEY CAN USE ON RECIPE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ALSO PRESENT. IT'S CALLED THE COWBOY SALAD. AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE THAT HOME AND USE IT. TELL THEM WHAT YOUR DAD SAID ABOUT YOUR NO SALT MIX. HE USES IT ON EVERYTHING. SO. MIGHT PARTLY BE BECAUSE RHIANNA LIKES IT, BUT HE REALLY SEEMS TO LIKE IT ALSO. SO SHE'S GOING TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DID WITH ROCKWALL-HEATH HIGH SCHOOL. IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR FIRST PACKET, THIS IS OUR INFOGRAPHIC HERE AND IT'S A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE DID AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE REACHED AND SO FORTH. SO GO AHEAD AND SHARE THAT. OKAY, SO WE DID A PROGRAM IN THE ROCKWALL-HEATH HIGH SCHOOL TRYING TO EXPAND THEIR MENU, AND WE TESTED ABOUT THREE MEALS. AND THE TOP FAN FAVORITE OF IT WAS THE CHOPPED PHILLY. WE HAD ABOUT 123 SURVEYS COMPLETED. AND MY, OUR PERSONAL FAVORITE FOR THE REVIEW WAS THAT SOMEBODY SAID THE PHILLY MADE MADE ME UPSET TO GRADUATE, WITH IT POTENTIALLY BEING A MENU ITEM AFTER I'M GONE. SO WE HAD LOTS OF WE HAD LOTS OF GREAT COMMENTS. WE HAD ABOUT 325 PEOPLE COME THROUGH. WE ONLY SET UP FOR LUNCH IS A AND B, SO WE DIDN'T SET UP FOR THE OTHER. SO WE HAD THOSE STUDENTS COME THROUGH. SOME TEACHERS FOOD SERVICE WORKED WITH US AND WE WORKED WITH THE ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT ADDING THESE ITEMS TO THEIR SCHOOL MENU. SO AND THE KIDS, MOST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL YOUNG PEOPLE REALLY SEEM TO ENJOY IT. WE HAD A FEW YOUNG MEN THAT SNUCK IN A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE WE JUST HAD SAMPLES, BUT THEY REALLY SEEMED TO ENJOY IT. SO THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM FOR US. EXPOSURE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WE HAVE NOT GONE INTO ROCKWALL-HEATH BEFORE, SO WE WERE HAPPY TO DO THAT. RHIANNA AND I LEARNED ABOUT LARGE SCALE COOKING BECAUSE WE DON'T DO SO MUCH OF THAT. AND WE DID HAVE OUR ADVISOR, WHO IS STATIONED AT THE DALLAS EXTENSION RESEARCH CENTER. HER NAME IS KENDRA MARCEL, AND SHE CAME OVER AND HELPED US. SHE SUPERVISES THE PROGRAM AND BOTH [00:10:04] JAKE AND RHIANNA, THEY GO THROUGH LESSONS EVERY WEEK. THEY HAVE PROJECTS, CLASS, WORK THAT THEY DO EVERY WEEK, AND THEN THEY HAVE CERTAIN PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS TASTE TEST, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT THE MYPLATE AMBASSADORS ARE HOSTING AND TEACHING. OKAY, SO TONIGHT AT THE ROCKWALL LIBRARY AT 6:00, WE'RE GOING TO DO A PROGRAM TARGETING LITTLE KIDS, TEACHING THEM ABOUT MY PLATE AND HEALTH FOOD GROUPS AND HOW TO EAT HEALTHY AND STUFF. SO, AND IT'S THE YELLOW HANDOUT IN YOUR PACKET. AND THIS IS THE FIRST LESSON. IF YOU LOOK ON THE BACK, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND LESSON ON MAY 12TH. SO PART OF THEIR TRAINING IS TO TEACH. AND SO WE'RE REACHING FAMILIES. AND ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE PROGRAM WE'RE DOING, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE KIDS, IT'S FOR THE FAMILY. WE'RE ALSO HAVE A NEW PROGRAM CALLED WELL FAMILIES, AND IT'S PART OF OUR HEALTH TALK EXPRESS PROGRAMING. SO WE'LL ALSO BE HAVING A PORTION FOR THE PARENTS. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME ACTIVITIES, TEACH THE KIDS ABOUT THE FOOD GROUPS. WE'LL OFFER A RECIPE. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE BREAKFAST BREAKFAST CUP. AND BRIAN AND I WENT THROUGH AND THEY PICKED OUT ALL THE CONTENT THAT THEY WOULD BE TEACHING. SO G TAKES LEADERSHIP. TONIGHT. RHIANNA WILL BE ASSISTING ON THE 12TH. RHIANNA WILL TEACH THE PROGRAMING. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE COMING UP. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER GEET'S REPORT THAT THEY DID FOR HEATH. IF YOU ALL HAVE TIME IN YOUR LEISURE TIME, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK OVER THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT HANDOUT. JEET AND JEN, HIS BROTHER SODI, THEY ARE PART OF THE GLOBE PROGRAM AND THEY'LL BE GOING TO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AFRICA, AND THEY'LL BE LEARNING ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS AND THINGS THAT THAT THE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE AND THERE. THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME TRAINING AND PREPARATION, AND THEN THEY HAD A DRIVE FOR TEENAGERS HERE AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM FOR THE FOSTER TEENS IN ROCKWALL. SO THEY GATHERED ITEMS, AND THERE'S A SECOND SHEET BACK THERE IN JEEP, PREPARED THE INVENTORY. AND SO IT TELLS YOU WHAT THEY COLLECTED AND HOW, WHAT THE VALUE WAS AND THOSE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY SOME OUTSTANDING WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING YOUNG FOLKS IN THE PROGRAM. SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AND WE'LL TRY TO HURRY. WE'RE JUST BRIEFLY TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR. WE HAVE A NEW MASTER WELLNESS VOLUNTEER PROGRAM HERE FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND SO I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT MASTER GARDENER. SO WE'RE STARTING MASTER WELLNESS. WE HAVE THREE LADIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE WITH US. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER. WE HAVE MRS. KIM JONES, SHE'S WITH US. AND SHE HAS ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH ME WITH PROGRAMING FOR THE PAST YEAR. SO SHE'LL BE HELPING US TO TEACH AND CONTINUE TO DO PROGRAMING. AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE LADIES THAT WILL BE HELPING OUT AND THEY'LL BE AT THE PROGRAMS FOR THE MY PLIGHT. AND THEN I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE GONE ON THIS PAST YEAR WITH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH, AND BOTH FOR ICE AND ADULT PROGRAMING. AND IT'S JUST A BREAKDOWN OF PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON. SO WE SURELY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL THANK YOU. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY. YES YOU HAVE. THANK YOU, DOCTOR SANDIFER. THANK YOU YOUNG LADY. WELL DONE, WELL DONE. THANK YOU. THANK SAID. WELL DONE. OKAY THIS TAKES US [3. Discuss/Act on approving the Rockwall County Sheriff’s Office application for the Motor Vehicle Crime Prevention Authority SB 224 Catalytic Converter Grant Program, and all related issues; (Judge New – Sheriff Garrett)] TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE APPLICATION FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY. SB TWO TWO FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTER GRANT PROGRAM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. SHERIFF GARRETT, THANK YOU. JUDGE, THIS IS THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR LAST YEAR THAT ALLOWED US TO, YOU KNOW, GET START OUR FIRST RESPONDER DRONE PROGRAM. AND SO THIS IS JUST ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT FOR 2027, WHICH IS DUE ON MAY 8TH, I BELIEVE. AND THIS IS THE SAME, SAME GRANT WE APPLIED FOR LAST YEAR. IT IS THE SAME GRANT THROUGH THE SAME ORGANIZATION. AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN THIS YEAR, IT ACTUALLY BRINGS DOWN OUR MATCHING COST APPROXIMATELY 11,000 OVER LAST YEAR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR DOING THIS. SOUNDS LIKE I NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONE UP FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. SO GOOD. WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IT RECITED THAT THERE'S 44 CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS IN 2026 IN OUR COUNTY. I THINK [00:15:01] IF I READ IT RIGHT. CORRECT. HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THESE HELPED US SOLVE THOSE? AND HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE WE SOLVED? WELL, THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN SPENDING MOST OF THE YEAR GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN. SO THE THE CAMERAS AND THE DFR DRONES ARE NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL CURRENTLY. THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE THAT ARE OPERATIONAL, THE ONES THAT ARE DEPLOYED INSIDE OUR DEPUTY'S VEHICLES THAT THEY CAN DEPLOY. SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL SAVES OR SUCCESS STORIES WITH THOSE. HOPEFULLY, WE'RE WITHIN JUST OF A WEEK OR SO OF GETTING THE FULL DFR PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING. SO WE CAN START DEPLOYING THOSE. AND WE DID ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL DFR BASE STATION IN THIS IN THIS NEW GRANT. OKAY. AND THEN I READ IN HERE THAT YOU PUT THESE IN HIGH CRIME AREAS, I GUESS, OR AREAS WHICH ARE PRONE TO THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY HIGH CRIME AREAS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. BUT YOU DON'T THINK SO? I DON'T THINK SO. I'M GOING TO KEEP THINKING THAT TOO. YEAH. I'M BECAUSE OF THE GREAT JOB, THE AGENDA ITEM, BECAUSE OF THE GREAT JOB YOU DO PROTECTING US. BUT IT'S I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED IS CHURCHES. YOU PUT THEM IN CHURCH PARKING LOTS AND DO WE GET THEIR APPROVAL BEFORE WE DO THAT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THE ELDER BOARD OF MY CHURCH FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. I GUESS I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN CHURCH PARKING. WELL, IN HERE IT REFERENCED. I'LL FIND IT THE PLACES IT PUTS IT SAYS LIKE SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOTS, CHURCH PARKING LOTS, PLACES LIKE THAT. PLACES THAT THEY COULD BE DEPLOYED. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE THERE. OKAY. SO, SO BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO GET THEIR APPROVAL, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON IF IT'S ON THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE'LL GET THAT APPROVAL. RIGHT. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CRAIG ON THE AGREEMENTS WITH TEXDOT AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO THROUGH THAT. SO THAT'LL BE COMING TO YOU. THIS TODAY IS JUST FOR APPROVAL TO APPLY FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S GRANT, RIGHT? YES. BUT WE WOULD KNOW THERE AND THERE ARE HOA'S WHO ALSO HAVE REQUESTED TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS SUCH AS THIS TOO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. I JUST WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE COMMISSIONER LIKE TO GO ON A RIDE ALONG WITH SOMEBODY AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND GO TO OUR NON HIGH CRIME AREAS? I WOULD LOVE TO. MY I WOULD LOVE TO. I'VE BEEN DRIVING THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY NOW FOR 40 YEARS. JUST A SUGGESTION. I'VE DRIVEN EVERY CORNER OF THE COUNTY, I LOVE IT, I LOVE YOU MUST HAVE MISSED SOME NEIGHBORHOODS AND I WOULD LOVE TO GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. SO I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND JUST CALL ME AND HAVE ONE OF YOUR GUYS CALL ME AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO DO THAT. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT IS JUST, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE OUR BUDGET COORDINATOR IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, IT SAYS THE SOURCE OF THE MATCH IS GENERAL FUND. BUT IN THE LAST BUDGET, THIS CAME OUT OF FUND 51 AND LINE 141 AND FUND 51. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TAKING THIS MONEY OUT OF FUND 51 AND NOT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. BUT ANYWAYS, IT JUST SAYS ON HERE GENERAL FUND, AND THAT'S NOT WHERE IT CAME FROM. SO NO, I AGREE, I ANTICIPATED TAKING IT OUT OF FUND 51. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF? NOPE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE APPLICATION FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY, SB 220 FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTER GRANT PROGRAM, WITH THE FUNDS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF FUND 51. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. I WILL HAPPILY SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU SHERIFF. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR. DISCUSS [4. Discuss/ Act on approving an agreement with One CommunityUSA to provide reentry, diversion, restorative justice, and workforce readiness programming at the Rockwall County Detention Center for a one-year term beginning May 1, 2026. Rockwall County will pay $46,350 annually, billed at $3,862.50 per month, using jail commissary funds, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy – Sheriff Garrett)] AND ACT ON APPROVING AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE COMMUNITY USA TO PROVIDE REENTRY DIVERSION, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND WORKFORCE READINESS PROGRAMING AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER FOR A ONE YEAR TERM BEGINNING MAY 1ST, 2026, ROCKWALL COUNTY WILL PAY $46,350 ANNUALLY, BILLED AT $3,862.50 PER MONTH USING JAIL, COMMISSARY FUNDS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, WELL, HE'S THERE, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE THE SHERIFF TAKE IT AWAY. I STARTED JUST NOT TO SIT DOWN. YEAH. JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED LAST YEAR. IT'S A REENTRY PROGRAM. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN EXPANDING OUR PROGRAMS WITH INMATES TO TRY TO KEEP THE RECIDIVISM DOWN. PLUS GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES ONCE THEY GET OUT AND JOINING IN WITH ONE COMMUNITY, USA AND WITH [00:20:03] WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS AND OTHER THINGS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND DOING THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE IAN FUHRER, WHO IS THE CEO OF ONE COMMUNITY USA, AND HE HAS SOME, YOU KNOW, SHORT LITTLE INFORMATION ON, ON STATS THAT WE'VE HAD DURING THIS DURING THE YEAR AND THEN WHAT HE'S ANTICIPATING FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN MAYBE HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD MORNING. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME STATS IF YOU LIKE OR IF YOU'D RATHER JUST ASK ME QUESTIONS, WHATEVER HOWEVER YOU PREFER. YEAH. SO, COMMISSIONERS, YOU'LL REMEMBER WE HAD THIS EXACT PRESENTATION LAST YEAR. SO I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE DO DO WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT THAT. AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO TRACK DATA THAT SHOWS SUCCESS. YEAH. SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE DATA OF WHAT WE'VE DONE INSIDE THE FACILITY. RIGHT. WHERE IT GETS REALLY HARD IS ONCE THEY'RE OUTSIDE TO, TO TRACK THEM. SO OUR PROGRAM ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF A PIECE INSIDE THE JAIL AND OUTSIDE THE JAILS, THE INSIDE MY TEAM, WHO THEY'RE ALL EITHER RETIRED POLICE OR VETERANS OR BOTH. THEY VISIT THE FACILITY WEEKLY TO MEET WITH ANY OF THE INMATES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE TO DO OUR WEEK LONG PRERELEASE REENTRY CLASS. WE THEN DO THAT CLASS SIX TIMES A YEAR. IT'S ROUGHLY EVERY EIGHT WEEKS. THE REASON FOR THE TIMING IS BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR ENOUGH OF THE POPULATION THAT WE WORK WITH TO TURN OVER, TO TURN OVER. SO WE HAVE ENOUGH NEW PEOPLE. WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO DO THE CLASS TWICE. THE CLASS IS FOCUSED VERY LITTLE. IT'S 22 ONE HOUR LESSONS OVER THE COURSE OF MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. VERY LITTLE OF IT IS FOCUSED ON PRACTICAL INFORMATION. FOR EXAMPLE, MY BACKGROUND WAS IN FINANCE. I TEACH THE FINANCE CLASS. THAT'S TWO OF THE 22 HOURS. MOST OF IT IS REALLY UNDERSTANDING, HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY ARE THEY THERE. WHAT WE TELL THEM IS YES, YOU COMMIT. YES, YOU DID SOMETHING TO GET HERE. BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, HOW DID YOU GET IN THAT POSITION? SO IT'S REALLY GOING BACK AND EXPLORING TRAUMA, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY DO THE THINGS THEY DO TO DO THAT. OF THOSE 22 LESSONS IN ROCKWALL, WE TYPICALLY BRING IN ABOUT TEN OUTSIDE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT VOLUNTEER INSTRUCTORS TO TEACH THOSE LESSONS. SO WE HAVE PSYCHIATRISTS, WE HAVE LEADERS OF OTHER NON-PROFITS, FOR EXAMPLE, BRIDGES TO LIFE, WHICH IS IN 200 PRISONS AROUND THE WORLD. SO IF THEY LEAVE THE JAIL HERE AND THEY GO TO PRISON, THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO CONTINUE WITH THAT. AND WE HAVE FORMER INMATES AS WELL THAT THAT'LL TEACH FOLKS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, THAT HAVE DONE OUR CLASS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THAT ARE NOW DOING WELL. ONE'S A VETERAN, ONE'S A CIVILIAN. WE DON'T BRING THEM IN. THEY TEACH REMOTELY. SO THOSE THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE TEACH INSIDE. WHEN THEY COME OUT. AND WE. AND WE TELL THEM TO IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN CLASS, IT'S VOLUNTARY. WE DON'T ALLOW ANYONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MOST REENTRY PROGRAMS THAT YOU MAY COME ACROSS. WE DON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO BE REQUIRED TO DO OUR PROGRAM. OFTEN, DIVERSION COURTS WILL OFFER SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO, TO, TO FOLKS FOR A SPECIFIC BENEFIT. WE DON'T WANT THAT. WE WANT SOMEONE THAT'S AT THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY WANT IT, NOT BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS, CHILDREN, SPOUSE, JUDGE MADE THEM DO IT. WE KNOW THERE'S A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE OF THE INFORMATION AND A BETTER SUCCESS, NOT ONLY FOR THOSE FOLKS, BUT FOR IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO BE THERE, THEY BECOME DISRUPTIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT TO BE THERE. SO WE REQUIRE THAT. WE THEN TELL THEM WHEN THEY WHEN THEY COME OUT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO US ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT WE ARE NOT. WE'RE HERE TO HELP. WE HAVE LOTS OF RESOURCES, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO COME FIND YOU. PARTLY WE CAN'T. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME FIND YOU. YOU NEED TO REACH OUT TO US. TYPICALLY, WHAT WE FIND ACROSS ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE WORK IN IS ABOUT 10% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH INSIDE WILL THEN FOLLOW UP WITH ON THE OUTSIDE. ONCE THEY DO THAT, WE CALL IT AN 18 MONTH PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT'S ORIGINALLY HOW IT WAS DESIGNED. THE TRUTH IS, IT'S NOT REALLY 18 MONTHS. IT GOES ON. WE HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS. IT'S BECOME MORE OF A MENTORSHIP PROGRAM THAN MORE AS THAN, THAN A STRUCTURED PROGRAM. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT, THEY MAY NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE AS EVERYBODY. THEY MAY HAVE JOBS AT WORK, REQUIRE THEM TO WORK IN THE EVENINGS, SO THEY CAN'T DO THAT. SO REALLY, WHAT'S BECOME IS ALMOST MORE OF LIKE AN ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS SPONSOR. MY GUYS ARE AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. IF SOMEONE CALLS THEM AT MIDNIGHT ON SUNDAY. AND HEY, I FOUND MYSELF WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE IN THE WRONG PLACE. PLEASE EITHER TALK ME OUT OF IT OR COME GET ME. MY FOLKS ARE DOING THAT. SO, SO THE, THE, THE HOW DO YOU MEASURE SUCCESS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, RIGHT? THE, THE MAIN THING IS, DO WE SEE THESE PEOPLE AGAIN? RIGHT. ROCKWALL IS VERY FORTUNATE THAT TYPICALLY APPROXIMATELY 80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YOUR JAIL ARE NOT FROM ROCKWALL. SO WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT COMING BACK ANYWAY. BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH WITH THE JAIL STAFF TO START TO LOOK AT NOW, HOW MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY WORKED WITH HAVE COME BACK TO THIS FACILITY? IT'S ALSO REALLY DIFFICULT TO AGGREGATE RECIDIVISM DATA ACROSS DIFFERENT FACILITIES IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES. IDEALLY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE ID NUMBER [00:25:04] FOR ANYONE THAT EVER IS INCARCERATED. SO WE CAN SEE, DID THEY SHOW UP ANYWHERE ELSE? BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT THING TO, TO, TO MEASURE ACCURATELY. AND I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BELIEVE ANYBODY'S RECIDIVISM NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SOME OF YOU HAVE ATTENDED THE GRADUATIONS. AND IF YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE LIST. SO THE NEXT GRADUATION AND THAT 80% IS SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO TRACK RECIDIVISM NUMBERS, WHEN THEY'RE GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY'RE FROM, THAT KEEPS THAT THAT CRIME RATE LOW, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK HERE DOING THOSE CRIMES, WE CAN KEEP THAT DONE. ONE OF THE THINGS IAN JUST TOLD ME THIS MORNING THAT THEY JUST STARTED THEIR FIRST FEMALE PROGRAM IN TARRANT COUNTY. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE FUTURE ALSO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES ACROSS ALL SPECTRUMS OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE. WONDERFUL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR IAN OR THE SHERIFF? I EXCUSE ME, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. WE SPEND WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT THAT DETENTION USES TO TRY TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM. AND IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TELL ME 10% ARE CALLING YOU AFTERWARDS, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A SUCCESS. I MEAN, THAT'S 10% THAT'S INTERESTED AND NOT REPEATING. AND IF WE CAN REDUCE RECIDIVISM BY 10%, MAN, THIS IS MONEY WELL SPENT. I MEAN, MONEY, MONEY WELL SPENT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP BEING THE MOST COST EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO DEAL WITH CRIME IS TO CONVINCE THE INMATES THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY, AND THERE'S A BETTER WAY. IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO TO SEE THE DIFFERENT CLASSES THAT GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, GET TO SEE THEM ALL TOGETHER DURING THEIR, THEIR GRADUATION CEREMONY AND TO SEE HOW THAT DYNAMIC OF EACH CLASS DEVELOPS WITH EACH OTHER. AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY'RE FEEDING EACH OTHER, THEY'RE ENCOURAGING EACH OTHER. OTHER TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST READY TO GET OUT AND GET ON. BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A TIME WHERE SOMEONE HASN'T SPOKEN IN THERE THAT SAYS, HEY, I FOUND A DIFFERENT WAY. I FOUND A BETTER WAY OF DOING SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING IT THIS WAY FOR SO LONG NOW. I'VE BEEN GIVEN A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT. HOPEFULLY IT WORKS. HOPEFULLY THEY TAKE TAKE ADVICE FROM THAT. SO THE THE CEREMONY THAT I ATTENDED, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE INMATES SAYING THAT I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE HERE THAT IT MEANT A LOT TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT THEM, THAT THEY WEREN'T JUST DISPOSABLE, THAT THEY ACTUALLY CARED. YEAH. AND WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT COME UP, COME UP IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE IS JUST THE FACT THAT THE JAIL AND THE STAFF IS ALLOWING THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM. AND THEN BY BRINGING IN SO MANY DIFFERENT OUTSIDE SPEAKERS, THERE'S A SUBTLE MESSAGE THAT, LOOK AT ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT LEFT THEIR FAMILY, LEFT THEIR JOB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK TO SHOW UP JUST TO JUST TO BE THERE TO TEACH THEM FROM THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE. AND THEN THE FACT THAT WE ASK THEM TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH ON THE OUTSIDE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS OFTENTIMES WHEN SOMEONE'S INCARCERATED, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A POSITIVE VIEW OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL. SOME OF OUR OF OUR SPEAKERS ARE RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT. ONE OF ONE OF MY GUYS WAS 25 YEARS WITH DALLAS. HE WAS A SPECIAL RESPONSE GUY. AND AT THE AT THE END OF THE WEEK, I ALWAYS ASK, AND I THINK YOU SAW ME, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS ASK THEM, TELL ME ABOUT THE WEEK AND TELL ME ABOUT THE SPEAKERS. WHO WAS, WHO WAS YOUR FAVORITE SPEAKER? WHO WAS YOUR LEAST FAVORITE SPEAKER? WHO SHOULD WE NEVER HAVE BACK AGAIN? ABOUT HALF THE TIME, THEIR FAVORITE SPEAKER IS ONE OF ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WORKS. HIS NAME IS STEVE. IN FACT, HE WAS HERE WITH ME LAST YEAR. AT PRESENT HE WAS. I SAID HE WAS RETIRED POLICE. THEY CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH THEY LIKE HIM. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD LIKE SOMEONE IN UNIFORM LIKE THAT. IT'S A HUGE. AND WE SEE THAT ACROSS OUR OTHER PROGRAM, OUR SHOPTALK PROGRAM AS WELL, THAT CHANGING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE INMATES TOWARD LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND OFTENTIMES THE EFFECT, THE, THE, THE EXPECTATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TOWARD THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE, THEY BOTH CHANGE AND IMPROVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. I CAN'T PROVE THAT INCIDENTS DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THAT. RIGHT? BECAUSE I CAN'T. RIGHT. BUT BUT YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT HAPPENS, JUST THIS CHANGE OF UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER, CHANGING OF EXPECTATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WONDERFUL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE COMMUNITY USA TO PROVIDE REENTRY DIVERSION, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND WORKFORCE READINESS PROGRAMING AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER FOR ONE YEAR TERM BEGINNING MAY 1ST, 2026, WE WILL PAY $46,350 ANNUALLY, BILLED AT 3862 50 PER MONTH USING JAIL COMMISSARY FUNDS. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER METALLIC. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, IT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND PLEASE COME VISIT GRADUATION. [5. Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)] [00:30:02] IF YOU HAVEN'T, I'D LOVE TO. LOVE TO. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE. DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE COURTROOM ADDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GALLINA, I SEE SAL ON THE WAY UP HERE AND WE'RE SO CLOSE TO BEING DONE. SO CLOSE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. YEAH, A LOT OF UPDATES. WE DID RECEIVE THE FINAL CHANGE ORDER FROM THE CONTRACTOR YESTERDAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE CLOSEOUT PORTION OF IT TO CLOSE THE CONTRACT. SO I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THAT TO COMMISSIONER GALATI YET. IT'S IN MY INBOX STILL. AND THEN THE NEXT PART THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO TO FINISH IS THE, THE CONSTRUCTION AUDIT, WHICH IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN THAT WILL BE DONE, BUT THAT'LL KIND OF BE THE THE CLOSEOUT AT THAT POINT. FURNITURE DAY TWO ORDERS SHOULD BE IN, I BELIEVE, NEXT WEEK. SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'LL WE SHOULD BE DONE WITH FURNITURE AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS REQUIRES ACTIONS. NO CHANGE ORDERS REQUESTED. THANK YOU SAL. APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL MOVE ON [6. Discuss/Act on the Sheriff’s remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] TO AGENDA ITEM SIX. DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACEY. YES. YOU KNOW, ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO PRESENT FROM OUR CHAIRS. JUST ONE DAY. ONE DAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS COVER MOST OF WHAT'S COMING UP WITH THE SHERIFF'S ON THE NEXT 3 OR 4 AGENDA ITEMS. I WANT TO GET YOU GUYS CAUGHT UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT OVER BUDGET AT ALL. IN FACT, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH TODAY, WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT $388,000 OF UN BASICALLY OF CONTINGENCY. IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY CONTINGENCY, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE PROJECT. SO. ON THE I'M GOING TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH WHERE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. TURNING AN OLD JAIL INTO WORKABLE OFFICE SPACE HAS BEEN RATHER DIFFICULT. AT THE END. WHEN WE VOTE ON ALL THESE PCOS, WE WILL BE MOVING OUT OF THE OLD JAIL. THAT WILL BE THE LAST OF THE KNOWN ISSUES IN THAT SIDE. AND THERE'S ALWAYS LITTLE THINGS THAT POP UP, BUT ALL THE BIG ISSUES. SO THAT'S BEEN WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE HARD AND IT'S BEEN HARD. ONE OF THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE TRIED TO DO WAS UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT BEFORE I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. AND I'M I'M NOT THAT OLD, BUT I'M ALSO NOT THAT YOUNG. I JUST SO A LOT HAS CHANGED. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PLUG AND PLAY, A LOT OF TRYING TO DEVELOP THINGS. WE HAVE IT CLOSETS THROUGHOUT THAT WE'RE TURNING INTO USABLE SPACE. THIS IS TECHNICALLY PROBABLY BEEN OUR SINGLE MOST HIT TO THE BUDGET IS REROUTING THE I.T, BUILDING THE IT CLOSET, AND ACTUALLY FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT ENTAILS. WE DO HAVE ALL THE FURNITURE PRICE, BUT WE HAVE NOT ORDERED THE FURNITURE YET. THERE'S A FEW REASONS FOR THAT. WE CAN DIVE INTO THE WEEDS, BUT FURNITURE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. IT'LL PROBABLY BE ON THE NEXT COURT. THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN EMERGENCY, OUR GENERATOR DID NOT TURN ON PROPERLY. WE HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT AND WE HAVE FIXED THAT. ALSO, NOT A CHEAP PROCESS OR EVEN A SHORT PROCESS. IT HAS TAKEN TIME FROM THE ELECTRICIAN TO OUR MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. HOW IS IT BEING ROUTED? WE DID A GENERATOR STUDY BEFORE WE STARTED TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S PLUGGED INTO WHAT WHAT TURNS ON. WE HAVE THE LAST PIECE HERE THAT FINISHES OUT THE GENERATOR STUDY, SO THAT WE CAN TEST IT AND MAKE SURE IT ACTUALLY WORKS AS IT'S DESIGNED. EVIDENCE STORAGE IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE OUR NEXT KIND OF STOPPING POINT. HONESTLY, MOVING EVIDENCE FROM WHERE IT IS TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PERMANENTLY IS NOT A SIMPLE PROCESS. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CATALOGED, ACCOUNTED FOR, AND MOVED. WE ARE BASICALLY RUSHING AS FAST AS WE CAN TO GET EVIDENCE MOVED, BUT THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE SITTING THERE WATCHING EVIDENCE BE MOVED. IT IS NOT A PROCESS WE CAN SPEED UP. IT IS A VERY, VERY SPECIFIC THING. THERE'S 254 AGENCIES IN TEXAS THAT DO THIS, SO IT'S NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE TO MOVE EVIDENCE AROUND AND TO DO ALL THIS STUFF. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT IN JUNE WE WILL HAVE EVIDENCE COMPLETED. BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A HUGE STOPPING POINT IF JUST THE WAY THAT THE CALENDARS AND THE TIMINGS COME IN TOGETHER. MAY 6TH IS WHEN WE PLAN ON MOVING DISPATCH. THAT'S [00:35:05] THIS HAS BECOME AN ALL HANDS ON DECK EXPERIENCE. THIS HAS BEEN OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET DISPATCH PROPERLY MOVED AND TURNED BACK ON. WE ARE ALMOST READY TO DO THAT ONCE DISPATCH HAS MOVED. WE HAVE TO THEN MOVE EVIDENCE, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE LAST BIT OF DEMO ON THE PROJECT. SO. SO DISPATCH AND EVIDENCE ARE KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER GEOGRAPHICALLY IN THE BUILDING. SO IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE WITH THEM BEING VERY, VERY HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS TO GET THEM READY AND THEN DEMO THEM AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT WILL BE KIND OF THE PHASE. SO WHAT WAS PHASE ONE, TWO, AND THREE HAS BASICALLY BEEN PULLED INTO A PHASE AND THEN DISPATCH AN EVIDENCE. AND THAT IS AN ATTEMPT TO TO GET BACK TIME. THE REMODEL, THE COMMAND STAFF'S OFFICES ARE UNDERWAY. AND OUR GOAL IS TO PUT THE SHERIFF'S PERSONNEL BACK IN THEIR SPACES WHEN THEY BECOME BACK ONLINE. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A MASS EXODUS FROM THE BUILDING PATROL, I THINK IS THE ONLY ONE. AND SOME CLERKS AND DISPATCH ARE THE ONLY THINGS OPERATING IN THE BUILDING. ALMOST THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, WHICH WASN'T THE INTENT WHEN WE STARTED, BUT THE COMMAND STAFF OFFICES ARE MOVING ALONG REALLY WELL. AND THEN WE BASICALLY NOW HAVE A PHASE ONE EVIDENCE AND DISPATCH, AND YOU'LL SEE AN AUSSIE. OH, THAT PRETTY MUCH FUNDS IT THAT WAY ON ON THE AGENDA. YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE ON THE OCO THAT THERE'S ABOUT $300,000 COMING FROM THE OWNER SIDE INTO THE PROJECT THAT ISN'T TECHNICALLY, IT IS TECHNICALLY AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN WHAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE HAD ABOUT $1 MILLION SET ASIDE IN THE OWNER'S ALLOWANCES, AND WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING ALL OF THE CONTRACTOR'S CONTINGENCY TO DATE. SO WE ARE BASICALLY TAKING OWNER'S MONEY AND PUTTING IT INTO THE CONTRACTORS AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT AS WHOLE AS WE CAN WITH A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE DONE. SO I BELIEVE ON THE THIRD FLOOR YOU HAD 12 OR 13 PCOS ON THIS COURT. WE HAVE, I THINK, 12 ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM. PCO 19 IS ADDITIONAL IS BASICALLY DOOR STAINING AND ADDITIONAL FLOOR FLOATING. AGAIN, YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU START ACTUALLY DOING THIS AND YOU START SEEING ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE CORRECTED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS BUILDING LOOK NICE. PCO 20 IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF WIRING FOR TECHNOLOGY. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE HAD TO REWIRE FOR TECHNOLOGY. IT'S GOOD FUN. THIS IS PCO 22. THIS IS ADDITIONAL IT EQUIPMENT. AS WE WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO BUILD OUT THESE SPACES, THIS IS THINGS THAT WEREN'T IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. COMMISSIONER STACY YES. WHEN WHEN YOU SHOW COMING OUT OF CONTINGENCY IS THAT CONTRACTOR CONTINGENCY THAT IS CONTRACTOR CONTINGENCY. THANK YOU. ON 23. THIS IS FRANK'S FAVORITE ONE. THIS IS THE A C UNITS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT $66,000. WE FOUGHT THEM GOT IT DOWN TO 497.75. YOU WILL SEE THIS ON CONSENT BECAUSE I SIGNED IT, BECAUSE I WAS DONE WITH IT. AND WE NEEDED TO GET THE MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR TO BUY THE AC UNITS AND MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS MAKING SOME OF THE WAREHOUSE WALLS LOOK NICE. IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU PROBABLY. IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST STOP AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT. AT SOME POINT. THEY HAVE A WAREHOUSE IN THE BACK THAT WE THAT WE'VE TURNED INTO A TRAINING CENTER AND WE ARE ADDING SOME STUFF TO MAKE THAT LOOK A LITTLE NICER ON THE WALLS, SOME WALL FINISHES. HOLD ON. THERE WE GO. THIS PCO 25 IS WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO. I FEEL LIKE THE WAY THE CONTRACTOR'S WRITTEN, EVERY TIME THEY GET INTO AN ALLOWANCE, IT REQUIRES COURT ACTION. SO I HAD THEM DRAIN ALL THEIR ALLOWANCES AND JUST PUT THEM INTO CONTINGENCY. IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES, BUT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A CONTINGENCY BUCKET. WE HAVE AN OWNER'S BUCKET AND WE HAVE THESE ALLOWANCE BUCKETS. AND IT'S MAKING IT VERY CONFUSING FOR US TO TRACK THE PROGRESS OF THE PROJECT. AS FAR AS HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE IN THE PROJECT, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT IN THE PROJECT? SO I'M KIND OF CURRENTLY TRYING TO ELIMINATE THESE BUCKETS OF MONEY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO MANAGE FROM A MORE EXECUTIVE LEVEL OF, OKAY, HOW MUCH IS HERE AND HOW MUCH IS THERE? I FEEL LIKE EVERY TIME THEY EVEN DRAIN AN ALLOWANCE, IT REQUIRES COURT ACTION. SO WHY HAVE AN ALLOWANCE IF WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT AS A COURT? SO THIS IS DRAINING ALL THE REMAINDER OF THE ALLOWANCES. SOME OF THEM ARE $0.50, SOME OF THEM ARE $100. SOME OF THEM HAVE MONEY. THEY WERE JUST ALL UP AND DOWN THE CONTRACT. I ASKED THEM JUST MAKE A CONTRACTOR'S CONTINGENCY. SO SO THIS MONEY IS JUST BEING SHIFTED TO THE CONTRACTOR'S [00:40:04] CONTINGENCY. THIS IS OUR GENERAL CONDITIONS. AGAIN, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET, BUT WE'RE NOT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE BY ABOUT 90 DAYS. AND SO THIS GETS SSI, OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR, TO THE ACTUAL AGREED UPON NEW SCHEDULE. AGAIN THIS WAS NEGOTIATED DOWN FROM 86,000 TO $54,000 FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT THROUGH COMPLETION. SO NOW WE CAN SAY WE'RE NOT BEHIND SCHEDULE BECAUSE WE REWROTE THE SCHEDULE. YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY. THIS IS THE FINAL PIECE OF OF A OF ELECTRICAL WORK THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. THIS IS MAINLY IN THE DISPATCH AREA GENERATOR AND THEN ADDING THE CIRCUITS FOR THE CHANGES IN MECHANICAL. AND THEN THIS IS GETTING US LOCKS FOR LOCKERS. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ORDERED LOCKERS WITHOUT LOCKS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT WE DID. SO WE'VE HAD THE LOCKERS AND NOW THIS IS US PUTTING ELECTRONIC LOCKS ON ALL OF THE LOCKERS. 29 WAS AN ADDITIONAL INSPECTION THAT WASN'T ON ANYONE'S SCOPE, BECAUSE WE DECIDED IN THE PROCESS TO TO SEPARATE THE JAIL FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND SO WE NEEDED SOMEONE TO COME AND INSPECT THE FIRE ALARM AND ADDITIONAL TIME. AND THEN PCO 30 IS ADDITIONAL PAINTING AND ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT WERE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. OCO MOVES AGAIN MEMORIALIZES ALL THE CHANGES THROUGH PCO 30. WE HAVE ABOUT $380,000 IN CONTINGENCY BETWEEN OWNERS AND CONTRACTORS. WHEN IT'S DONE, I CALCULATED TO BE ABOUT 388, BUT WE HAVEN'T ORDERED THE FURNITURE YET, AND WE ALSO THEN PUT OUR 290,000 OWNER'S ALLOWANCES IN TO THE CONTRACT. AND THEN ALL OF OUR PCO CHANGES ARE THEN IN MEMORIALIZED INTO AN OCO. WE ARE EXPECTING THE FURNITURE TO COME OUT TO BE AROUND $520,000. THIS IS A LARGE SPACE AND WE JUST HAVEN'T FINALIZED A PURCHASE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. AGAIN, I THINK YOU'LL SEE FURNITURE ON THE NEXT, BUT I HAVE DEDUCTED THE FURNITURE PURCHASE FROM ALL THE NUMBERS I GAVE YOU. SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE SPENDING $520,000 ON FURNITURE WITH ALL THE NUMBERS I GAVE YOU, BECAUSE IT'S A KNOWN QUANTITY, WE KIND OF HAVE AN ORDER TOGETHER, BUT WE'RE FINALIZING A FEW A FEW MINOR THINGS AT THE END. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH WHERE WE ARE. SO I WILL GO SIT BACK DOWN, BUT WE CAN, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS, SO I DIDN'T. Y'ALL CAN TAKE THEM WHEN YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM. AS FAR AS IF WE WANTED TO JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION OR WHAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE BIG THOUGHT IN MY OPINION. OKAY, IT IT IS ONE BIG THOUGHT. HOWEVER, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, IT IS JUST THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT. A COUPLE AGENDA ITEMS FROM NOW WE GET INTO THE CONTRACT, CHANGE ORDERS AND APPROVING RS CONTRACT AND WE GET INTO VERY NEXT AGENDA ITEM. WE GET INTO THE RENEWAL OF BROADEST CONTRACT. RIGHT AND AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH PARK HILL. SO THE NEXT SEVERAL ITEMS. SO WHILE I APPRECIATE WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE DISCUSSION UNDERNEATH THIS BROAD AGENDA ITEM, WE WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T TAKE ACTION UNDERNEATH THIS. NOW, THAT WAS A GREAT RECAP, JOHN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT IS WHAT IS RIGHT NOW YOUR ESTIMATED FOR THE TOTAL REMODEL FOR THE JAIL. SO WE BUDGETED ABOUT 7.1 MILLION AND I WOULD EXPECT IT TO COME IN RIGHT AROUND 7 MILLION. OKAY. UNLESS WE SEE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPEN. SO I'M TRYING TO GET IT UNDER. YOU KNOW, I MY PLAN IS TO DELIVER A PROJECT BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET UNDER BUDGET. THAT IS MY GOAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL SAY SOMEBODY WHO'S, AS I SAID, THE THE JOB SITE MEETING THAT I ATTENDED, SOMEBODY WHO SET IN SEVERAL OF THESE MEETINGS, ANYTIME YOU OPEN UP THE CEILING, THE FLOOR OR THE WALL IN AN OLD BUILDING, IT IS LIKE CHRISTMAS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TILL YOU OPEN IT UP. AND SELDOM IS. IS IT A GOOD SURPRISE? RARELY DO YOU GO, OH YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO SAVE US MONEY. CORRECT. AND AND THERE ARE ONLY TWO MORE AREAS TO DEMO, WHICH IS THE DISPATCH AND EVIDENCE. SO WE HAVE DEMOED EVERY PART OF THE BUILDING. SO EVERY WALL THAT'S GOING TO BE OPENED UP HAS BEEN OPENED UP. OTHER THAN THOSE TWO AREAS. GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. NO NO ACTION REQUIRED ON [7. Discuss/Act on the renewal of Broddus contract, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] AGENDA ITEM SIX. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE RENEWAL OF BROADDUS CONTRACT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY YEAH SO WHAT WE WERE IN [00:45:01] THE PROCESS OF DOING ON THIS PROJECT, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH SOME OF THESE, PCOS IS LOOKING AT GETTING ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS LINED UP TO THE NEW AGREED DATE, WHICH OUR CONTRACT EXTENSIONS WHEN DURING THIS PROCESS, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR $150,000 OF OWNER'S REPS FOR THE EXTENSION. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT BEING PRETTY MUCH BUDGETARILY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT TERMINATING OUR CONTRACT WITH BROADDUS AND THEN ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET THERE, FRANK, JUST HOLD ON BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF INTERRELATED. WOULD BE ADDING SOME SCOPE TO PARK HILLS CONTRACTS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LEFT WITHOUT AN ARCHITECT TO LOOK OVER THE ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE DOING AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PAY AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE CHANGES ARE CORRECT AND EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING WITHOUT AN ARCHITECT LOOKING AT OUR BEST INTEREST, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT GETTING RID OF THIS CONTRACT. AND AGAIN, IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO DOLLARS AND CENTS ON THIS ONE. EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WOULD APPLAUD YOU, COMMISSIONER STACY, FOR SAVING US MONEY. AND I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT RENEW THE BROADEST CONTRACT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I'LL SECOND IT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAC. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. [8. Discuss/Act on approving AIA Document G802-2017 Amendment to the Professional Services Agreement with Parkhill, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A I A DOCUMENT G802-2017. AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH PARK HILL AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. SO THIS IS A $74,000 EXTENSION. THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE OWNER'S SIDE. SO THIS ISN'T COMING OUT OF THE CONTRACT WITH OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR. JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE NUMBERS TO CONTINUE THEIR SERVICES WAS GOING TO BE $30,000. SO THE ADDITIONAL OWNER'S REP SERVICES THEY'RE PROVIDING IS $44,000 FOR FIVE MONTHS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A $74,000 CONTRACT WITH PARK HILL TO GET US FROM HERE TO THE FINISH LINE. QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A DOCUMENT G 8022017. THE AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH PARK HILL GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GILLEN. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO [9. Discuss/Act on approving Prime Contract Change Order Nos. 019, 020, 022, 024, 025, 026, 027, 028, 029 and 030 to the agreement with SCI Construction for the Rockwall County Sheriff Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] AGENDA ITEM NINE. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING PRIME CONTRACT CHANGE ORDERS NUMBER 19, 2022, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 AND 30. TO THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. WELL, I WENT THROUGH THEM IN THE PRESENTATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. OKAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PRIME CONTRACT CHANGE ORDERS NUMBER 19, 2022, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 AND 30 TO THE AGREEMENT OF CI CONSTRUCTION. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES [10. Discuss/Act on approving Official Change Order No. 1 to SCI contract, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM TEN. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE TO THE CI CONTRACT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YES. AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS MOVING ABOUT $300,000 OF OWNER'S ALLOWANCE INTO THE CI CONTRACT TO REBUILD THE CONTRACTUAL, I MEAN, THE CONTRACTORS CONTINGENCY, AND THEN MAKING ALL THE PCOS PART OF THE ACTUAL OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER IN HOPES THAT WE DON'T HAVE 30 MORE TO FINISH THE PROJECT. I'LL MAKE. I'M SORRY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CHANGE ORDER THE OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE TO THE CIICIS CI CONTRACT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACLIN SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT [11. Discuss/Act on a request to determine and set a bond amount for the county fire marshal position in accordance with TLGC 352.012(a), and all related issues; (Judge New)] PASSES 5 TO 0 TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 11. DISCUSS AND ACT ON A REQUEST TO DETERMINE AND SET A BOND AMOUNT FOR THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL POSITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TLGC35 2.012 A AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. MISS ERICA, COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. THIS IS A [00:50:04] REQUIREMENT OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AS YOU MENTIONED. SO I WAS TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON HOW MUCH A TYPICAL BOND AMOUNT IS FOR FIRE MARSHALS IN TEXAS. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT KIND OF RANGES ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, ANYWHERE FROM $5000 TO $100,000. SO I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GUIDANCE THERE. I WILL ALSO SAY CAMMY HELPED FIND SOME, SOME, SOME OF THE STAFF, YOUR STAFF OF BOND AMOUNTS. AND SO THOSE ALSO RANGE. SO FOR MYSELF, IT WAS 5000. OUR WAYNE'S THE ROAD ROAD AND BRIDGE ADMINISTRATOR WAS ALSO 5000. OH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL. I WAS RECOMMENDING KEEPING IT AT FIVE MYSELF AND AND WAYNE IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT ARE AT 5000. SO THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. I'M GOING TO WAY OVERSIMPLIFY A LEGAL MATTER. I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE STATE OF TEXAS STATUTORILY. AND IT'S REALLY I THINK TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. THIS COUNTY IS AMPLY INSURED. SO I THINK WE ARE JUST HAVING AN EXERCISE AND COMPLYING WITH THE STATUTE HERE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET THE BOND AMOUNT FOR THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL MARSHAL POSITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TLGC35 2.012 A AT $5,000. I'LL SECOND. GOT MY MOTION. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. CAN WE DISCUSS THIS? YES, PLEASE. I WAS I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR HOW LOW THOSE BONDS ARE, AND I GET WHAT I GET YOUR POINT, JUDGE, THAT WE'RE JUST DOING THIS TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE. BUT IF WHAT I WAS ABLE TO LEARN WAS CORRECT, THIS THESE COVERED BONDS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY INCLUDE CLAIMS OF NEGLIGENCE AGAINST THE FIRE MARSHAL AS WELL AS FINANCIAL CORRUPTION, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, IF IN FACT, THAT'S ALL COVERED BY OUR STANDARD INSURANCE POLICIES, THEN I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF $5,000 BOND. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S IN FACT THE CASE. WELL, THE COMMENT WAS MADE BY THE JUDGE THAT WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF INSURANCE, AND THIS IS AN ODD SECTION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON IT, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THESE BONDS ARE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION AGAINST CLAIMS FOR MALFEASANCE IN SOMEONE'S DUTY. AND WHAT I FOUND WAS SPECIFICALLY NEGLIGENCE IN FIRE INVESTIGATIONS, FINANCIAL CORRUPTION AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. AND ARE THOSE THINGS TYPICALLY COVERED BY OUR GENERAL LIABILITY POLICY? I WOULDN'T THINK FINANCIAL CORRUPTION IS. IF YES, THE COUNTY IS PROTECTED. SHORT ANSWER IF THE FIRE MARSHAL MAKES AN ERROR OR, YOU KNOW, IN IT'S IN GOOD FAITH IN THEIR NORMAL SCOPE OF THE JOB, EVERYTHING IS COVERED BY TAC UNDER PROPERTY, PUBLIC OFFICIALS COVERAGES. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, YES, WE WOULD BE COVERED. SO THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE CLAIMS AGAINST THIS BOND FOR ARE COVERED BY OUR INSURANCE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN BONDS EITHER. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EVEN FOR. SO BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT RISK MANAGEMENT WE HAVE MORE. WE ARE OVERLY INSURED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRE. IS THERE ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD ACTUALLY HANDLE MONEY CAN HANDLE MONEY? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. THERE'S NOT THEY DON'T TAKE MONEY. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T THINK SO, BUT THE PERMIT FEES WOULDN'T THEY GO LIKE DIRECTLY TO SINCE WE'VE SET UP THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WOULD TAKE THEM. I THINK ALL FUNDS WOULD FLOW THROUGH THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT, THOUGH, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IT MAY BE TIME TO LOOK AT OUR BONDS BECAUSE, AS ERICA SAID AND CAMI HAS SAID TO ME, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE AS FAR AS COUNTY. AND YOU EVEN LOOK OUTSIDE THE COUNTIES TO OTHER COUNTIES, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE'S REALLY NO RHYME OR REASON. IT IS ALMOST LIKE AT SOME POINT YOUR COUNTY CODIFIES AN AMOUNT AND THAT JUST BECOMES THE AMOUNT. SO WE JUST KEEP [00:55:04] CODIFYING THAT OUR SHERIFF IS ONLY HIS BOND IS ONLY $2,000. SO BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH STRONG PUBLIC OFFICIAL COVERAGES. SO YEAH. AND, AND THAT, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION, IS THIS JUST SURPLUS COVERAGE? SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO I'VE PROBABLY TAKEN TOO MUCH OF THE COURT'S TIME ALREADY THIS MORNING ON THIS. BUT I WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD PLEASE DO A LOOK INTO THIS, SEE, MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THIS SECTION ARE IN FACT, COVERED BY OUR INSURANCE. GET SOME INFORMATION FROM TAC OR WHOEVER THE PROPER PERSON WOULD BE, AND JUST COME BACK AND REPORT THAT TO US. AND IF WE FIND OUT THAT WE'RE NOT COVERED IN ANY WAY OR THAT THERE'S A GAP IN COVERAGE, THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH INCREASING OUR BOND AT THAT TIME. OKAY, OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD MY MOTION. REMIND ME WHO SECONDED. I DID SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. [12. Discuss/Act on a request to develop FEMA Special Flood Hazard Area located at 2908 Ruger Rd in accordance with Section 7.9 of the Rockwall County Subdivision and Land Development Regulations, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy – County Engineer)] THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 12. DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE REQUEST TO DEVELOP FEMA SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA LOCATED AT 2908 RUGER ROAD, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 7.9 OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER STACY AND ERICA IS UP HERE TO TELL US ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A REAL SIMPLE ONE. THIS IS DEVELOPMENT OF A PORTION OF THE FLOODPLAIN ON A 1.9 ACRE TRACT. THEY ARE PROPOSING, SORRY, ALLERGIES. THEY'RE PROPOSING PUTTING IN METAL BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AND STORAGE AT 2908 RUGER ROAD. THEY HAVE PROVIDED A FLOOD STUDY JUST ENSURING THAT THE THE FILL AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PARKING LOT ARE NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM. AND SO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT NO ADVERSE IMPACT, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ERICA, IS THIS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. AND WHAT YOU GAVE US, YOU SENT WE'VE ATTACHED HERE THE PLANS AND THE SURVEY AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE OVERALL GRADING PLAN. BUT WAS THERE A SEPARATE FLOOD REPORT? YES. YES, I AND THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE SET OF PLANS. I JUST TOOK EXCERPTS FROM THE PLANS THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE OF INTEREST AND SHOW THAT FLOOD PLAIN AREA, THE FLOOD STUDY IS PRETTY LARGE, SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ENTIRE THING. OKAY, SO. YOU'VE REVIEWED THE FLOOD STUDY AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT. OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING FIRM REVIEWED THE FLOOD STUDY. I REVIEWED PART OF IT, SOME OF THE SUMMARY, AND I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE IT WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH VARIOUS DISCUSSION ON COMMENTS AND GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO I PUT A LOT OF CREDENCE IN A LOT OF VALIDITY IN OUR ENGINEER SAYING SHE'S COMFORTABLE, SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THEIR NEIGHBOR. CORRECT. SO THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN OUR ENGINEER ALSO, BUT IT IS UNDER 7.9.4 OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. WE HAVE TO IT'S SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ERICA? NOPE. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE. WHAT IS. I GUESS JUST ACCEPT THE FEMA SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA LOCATED AT 2908 RUGER ROAD. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0, WE ARE GOING TO SKIP AGENDA ITEM 13 AND WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT AT A LATER DATE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA [14. Discuss/Act on consultant progress report of Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan Update, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Engineer)] ITEM 14. DISCUSS AND ACT ON CONSULTANT PROGRESS REPORT FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY MASTER, THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER LICHTY. THANK YOU, [01:00:04] JUDGE. AS PART OF OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE HAD TWO PRESENTATIONS TO THE COURT. TWO RIGHT. JUST FOR FROM OUR FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, FREESE AND NICHOLS. AND THEY ARE ABOUT TO DO THE FIRST. TAKE A BATHROOM RIGHT, RIGHT THERE BEFORE WE GET TO IT. GOOD IDEA. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. THERE WE GO. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE ROCKWALL COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE. SO TELL US YOUR NAME. BRIAN BROOKS WITH FREESE NICHOLS. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE, WE'RE ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE WAY THROUGH THE TIMELINE, AND WE'RE ABOUT 35% OUR WAY THROUGH THE STUDY. THE INITIAL SORT OF BATCH OF WORK IS ALL THE KIND OF THE HEAVY LIFTING WHERE WE WE DO A KICKOFF MEETING WITH ERICA AND THE COUNTY. WE TALK TO YOU, WE HAD OUR STAKEHOLDERS MEETINGS IN OUR PUBLIC INPUT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND START CODING UP THE MODEL NETWORKS TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS STARTING TO MARK UP THE THE NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WILL BE A COMPONENT OF THAT. OOPS. I'M SORRY. SO OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, WE HAD, I SAID WE HAD OUR PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE IN MARCH. WE HAD OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AT THE END OF MARCH, AS WELL AS OUR TOWN HALLS IN ROCKWALL AND FATE ON MARCH 31ST AND APRIL 1ST. AND THEN WE WERE STILL HAVING OUR ONLINE SURVEY, WHICH IS DUE TO BE COMPLETED ON MAY 10TH. WE NOTICED, JUST AS A SIDEBAR, WE NOTICED THE ROCKWALL REALLY HAD A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS. THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. THE FATE PUBLIC HEARING WASN'T AS WELL ATTENDED, BUT WE STILL HAD VERY, VERY GOOD COMMENTS. SO THAT WAS A REALLY, REALLY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. IN TERMS OF SURVEY RESULTS, AS OF YESTERDAY, WE HAD 500, BUT WE HAVE 570 PARTICIPANTS AND OVER 800 RESPONSES IN COMPARED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT HAD 550 PARTICIPANTS AND OVER 1100 RESPONSES. SO WE'RE GETTING GOOD PARTICIPATION. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE IDEA TO EXTEND THE SURVEY WAS A GOOD IDEA. WE'RE GETTING MORE RESPONSES. SO I GIVE KUDOS TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR PUSHING THAT IDEA. IN TERMS OF ACCESSING THE SURVEY, MOST OF OUR RESPONSES CAME VIA FACEBOOK, ALTHOUGH WE DID HAVE A REALLY GOOD RESPONSE RATE WITH THE QR CODE. SO THAT WAS VERY ENCOURAGING. AND WE DID HAVE SOME RESPONSES FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE AS WELL IN TERMS OF KEY ISSUES AND NEEDS. THIS IS JUST THE DRAFT MAP WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON IT KIND OF TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP A BIT. THE GENERAL ISSUES, WHICH IS WELL KNOWN BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURTS, IS JUST THE GENERAL LACK OF CAPACITY ACROSS THE NETWORK, BOTH NORTH SOUTH AND EAST WEST, WITHIN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS ACROSS THE LAKE. THIS IS COMPOUNDS, THIS CREATES CONGESTION AND SAFETY ISSUES AS WELL AS THERE'S A PERCEIVED OVERRELIANCE ON SH 205 AS A MOBILITY CORRIDOR. THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD CORRIDOR IN TERMS OF KEY NEEDS. IT COMES DOWN TO SORRY, APOLOGIES. IT JUST COMES DOWN TO WIDENING AND LOOKING AT ABOUT PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE NETWORK AS WELL AS PRESERVING RIGHT OF WAY. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE DO NOTICE AND THAT EVERYBODY'S WELL AWARE OF, IS BASICALLY THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, REALLY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH PROPOSED GROWTH. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY ON THE NETWORK. WE ALSO DID A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL THE EXISTING AND PLANNED ROADWAY PROJECTS WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND THIS IS THE MAPS. WE'VE BEEN USING THIS MAP TO UPDATE THE MODEL NETWORKS. AND THAT WILL BE USED MOVING FORWARD TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY DEMAND IN COORDINATION WITH THE DEMOGRAPHIC UPDATE, WHICH CONNOR WILL QUICKLY COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC COMPONENT OF THE UPDATE. THANKS, BRIAN. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONERS. JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS MORNING. CONNOR ROBERTS WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. SO MY INVOLVEMENT IN [01:05:01] THE PLAN IS REALLY ON THE DEMOGRAPHIC SIDE. SO OUR URBAN PLANNING TEAM TAKES A LOOK AT AVAILABLE DATA, SORT OF COMES UP WITH AN APPROACH. SO YOU HEAR BRIAN TALK ABOUT MODELING, RIGHT. AND A BIG COMPONENT OF THE PLAN IS IS RUNNING THE MODEL. WELL, THE MODEL HAS TO BE BASED OFF OF SOME SORT OF ASSUMPTION, RIGHT? AS IT RELATES TO, TO DEMOGRAPHICS. AND SO THERE ARE REALLY TWO CATEGORIES HERE. WE TALK POPULATION AND WE TALK EMPLOYMENT. OF COURSE COG HAS THEIR BASELINE ASSUMPTION. THEY HAVE THEIR 2036 PROJECTION AND THEIR 2050 PROJECTION. AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IS TAKEN THEIR GEOGRAPHIES AND HAVE QUITE LITERALLY GONE TO ARIEL'S, GONE TO OUR MUNICIPAL PLANS AND LOOKED AT WHAT IS A REALISTIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO IN VACANT PROPERTY. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU'LL SEE HERE ON THE TOP LINE THAT WE'RE SORT OF GETTING TO THE ULTIMATE SAME CONCLUSION AS COG AS IT RELATES TO THE POPULATION WITHIN THE COUNTY. NOW, HOW WE GET THERE IS HOW WE DIFFER A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'RE WE'RE A HIGHER METRIC HERE ON OUR 2036 ADJUSTED RATE AS COMPARED TO COG. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BASED OFF OF ENTITLEMENT, SORT OF SEEING THAT POPULATION INCREASE QUICKER, BUT THEN LEVEL OUT AS WE GET TO 2050, WHERE DOES COG IS SORT OF TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LINEAR APPROACH? OF COURSE, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT SURROUNDING TAZ'S TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONES TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PROJECTS ADJACENT TO THE COUNTY THAT WOULD IMPACT. AND OF COURSE, TAKING A LOOK THERE AT THOSE COMBINED METRICS, SEEING THAT WE'RE RELATIVELY SIMILAR IN OUR ADJUSTED METRIC COMPARED TO COG FOR EMPLOYMENT OR FOR POPULATION RATHER. CAN I JUMP IN HERE? YEAH, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CONNOR SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, IN 2036, COGS SAYS WE'LL BE AT OUR COUNTY WILL HAVE A POPULATION OF 169 608. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOUR YOUR GROUP HAS CONCLUDED IT'LL ACTUALLY BE 193374, WHICH IS I GUESS ABOUT A 10% 12% INCREASE, BUT WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER 24,000 PEOPLE OVER WHAT COG PROJECTS, WHICH IS 30,000 MORE THAN WE HAVE TODAY. CORRECT. HOW HOW DO YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE INCREASING IT BY THAT MUCH? SURE. WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION. YEAH. SO THE WAY THAT WE DO IT IS WE TAKE A LOOK AT ENTITLED PROJECTS. SO THINK OF IN YOUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, THINK OF YOUR ZONING ENTITLEMENTS. WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN BUILT UNDER THOSE ENTITLEMENTS AND WHAT HASN'T. AND WE SORT OF USE THAT POPULATION PROJECTION ATTACHED TO THOSE VACANT ACRES WITH THE UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION OF THE DENSITIES TO SORT OF GET TO THAT. AND BY ENTITLED, YOU MEAN ZONED OR PLATTED OR. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT CONSTITUTES ENTITLED? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO IN THE CITIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY IS ZONING. SO THINK OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR SOME OTHER ZONING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO COME THROUGH. SO WE SORT OF USE THOSE DATA POINTS, BUT NOT JUST GENERAL ZONING MAPS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S GOT TO BE A SPECIFIC TO A PROJECT. IT'S SORT OF TWO PRONGED. I'LL SAY THAT IT'S BOTH. SO WHAT I DID AS PART OF THE PROCESS IS I TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITIES HAVE IDENTIFIED. FOR US, THAT'S SORT OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW, OKAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT RECENTLY, BUT WHAT I DO IS I TAKE A LOOK AT VACANT ACREAGES, AND I LOOK AT THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLANS AND ASSIGN. OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE A LARGE ASSEMBLY OF ACREAGES HERE THAT ARE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR FOR SOME SORT OF EMPLOYMENT, DEPENDING ON THE METRIC THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND WE SORT OF APPLY THOSE AS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOT THIS AMOUNT OF ACREAGES THAT'S OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ART TO IT, PROBABLY MORE ART THAN SCIENCE, FRANKLY. BUT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WE TAKE A LOOK AT VACANT ACREAGES. AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE SORT OF IDENTIFYING THE ULTIMATE ACREAGE THAT IS DEVELOPABLE. OKAY. AND I THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL, FRANKLY, THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN THIS. SURE. IT'S STILL ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE I MAKE A COMMENT. SURE. SO THAT'S IN CITIES, IN COUNTIES. HOW DO YOU EVALUATE IT IN COUNTIES OR DO YOU JUST GO WITH COG NUMBERS? NO, VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO WE DO NOT JUST TAKE THE COG NUMBER, YOU KNOW, AT FACE VALUE AND THE TAXES THAT ARE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. SO WE'RE AT AN ADVANTAGE HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. IT'S A SMALL COUNTY. A LOT OF THE COUNTY IS COVERED BY SOME SORT OF MUNICIPALITY OR AN ETJ WITH A FUTURE LAND USE METRIC. AND THE AREAS THAT AREN'T LIKE IN YOUR PRECINCT COMMISSIONER, SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT ROADWAY CONNECTIONS, SORT OF IDENTIFIED THOSE AREAS AS PRIME FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SOME KIND IN THE FUTURE. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT IMPLYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE OVERNIGHT. RIGHT. BUT TAKING A LOOK AT AT FUTURE CONNECTIONS THAT ARE PLANNED. OKAY, WE HAVE 200 ACRES AT AN INTERSECTION OF TWO STATE, YOU [01:10:03] KNOW, ON NETWORK SYSTEMS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AS PLANNERS, AS PRIME FOR SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT TO POTENTIALLY OCCUR. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU SPRINKLE IN THE SORT OF TC MUD LIST THROUGHOUT THAT AS WELL THAT WE HAVE ON RECORD TO SORT OF FILL IN THE BLANKS. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, COG WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT A COUPLE MUDS, FOR EXAMPLE, YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE DOING THESE PROJECTIONS. BUT WE DO WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT. OKAY. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU'RE COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT PEOPLE WILL MOVE HERE FASTER THAN THE COG DATA EXPECTS THEY WILL. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AND GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE WAY IT'S PERTINENT IS THE REASON IT'S PERTINENT IS IT'S GOING TO HELP. WHEN WE RUN THE MODEL, IT'LL SORT OF IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE IMMEDIATE PROJECTS THAT ARE PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ASSUMED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, THAT GROWTH PROJECTION AND THE ENTITLEMENT TO SORT OF IDENTIFY THAT, OH, MAYBE IT MIGHT HAPPEN A LITTLE QUICKER, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF SLOW DOWN AS OPPOSED TO THAT RAMP UP, DIRECT RAMP UP. THAT COG IS, IS ILLUSTRATING. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU. SORRY. GO AHEAD. IF YOU'RE NOT DONE, I'LL JUST I'LL JUST FINISH UP HERE IF YOU DON'T MIND. COMMISSIONER. THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT AND MY COMMENT TO THE COURT AND TO ANYONE LISTENING WOULD BE THAT WE IF I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE ALL. NOT HAPPY WITH THESE NUMBERS, LET'S TRY AND PUT IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE WE ALL REMEMBER WHAT IT USED TO BE LIKE WHEN WE WERE HERE. WHEN WE MOVED IN, THERE WAS THIS OKAY, AND WE ALL GOT OUR OWN VERSION OF THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S 130,286 AS OF LAST YEAR. THAT'S GOING BY COG TO ONE, 69 BY OUR CONSULTANTS ADJUSTMENTS WHO WERE PAYING TO DO THIS FOR US. SO WHO WE SHOULD RESPECT THEIR OPINIONS TO. 193 SO IN 11 YEARS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT 40% PLUS GROWTH IN OUR COUNTY IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING. SO MY, MY COMMENT TO WRAP UP THIS LITTLE PORTION IS JUST IF WE EVER THOUGHT WE DIDN'T NEED ROADS. THIS JUST PROVES WE DO. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE STUDY. AND I HAD A VERY FRUSTRATING MEETING WITH TXDOT ABOUT ROADS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN MY COMMISSIONER COURT REPORT LATER. IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU EVEN MORE IRRITATED. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 2025 BASE YEAR TO THE 2036 ADJUSTED. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR DOING THAT. THESE NUMBERS. THAT'S A 45% INCREASE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. BUT ON THE TAZ, WE'VE ONLY GOT YOU KNOW, IF WE COMBINE IT ALL, WE'VE ONLY GOT A 33% INCREASE TOTAL. SO IS, DID WE SPEED UP THE GROWTH RATE ON THE TRANSPORTATION AREA ZONES TO DO WE THINK THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE. THAT'S A BIG DROP FROM 45 IN ROCKWALL COUNTY TO 33 IN THE ZONE. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. SO THE WAY THAT IT WORKS FOR OUR GROWTH RATES, THE RATES THAT WE USE ARE A LITTLE THINK OF IT AS A BLENDED RATE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE DATA THAT'S COMING FROM THE COG, WHICH WE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LOUSY, RIGHT? LIKE WE THINK THAT IT HAS CREDENCE. WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OTHER DATA SOURCES AND TRY AND, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVELY DETERMINE, DO WE THINK THAT THIS IS REASONABLE? SO WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS IF IT'S VALUABLE TO ANY OF YOU, IF YOU IF WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT A TAZ IN YOUR PRECINCT, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'RE STILL IN A PRELIMINARY STATE. SO IF WE THINK THAT, OH, I DON'T KNOW, BASED OFF OF YOUR SORT OF EYES ON THE GROUND, THAT THE RATE MIGHT NOT BE AS AGGRESSIVE IN THIS AREA, FOR THIS REASON, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TWEAK THE METRIC FOR THAT. SO REALLY ALL THIS IS, IS A GIANT EXCEL SHEET WITH ALL OF OUR TAZ WITH A LOTS OF BASE YEAR DATA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN MANIPULATE IT. AND IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S MORE VALUABLE IN TERMS OF ACCURACY, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND THEN ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, WE AGREE ON THIS DATA SET, RIGHT? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COG WOULD EVER TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADOPT AND MOVE THEIR NUMBERS WITH? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE AVERSE TO, TO JUST ACCEPTING THAT BECAUSE. YEAH. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. BRIAN'S PROBABLY BETTER ANSWER THAT. I WORKED AT COG FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEIR COG IS GIVEN AN ALLOCATION BY THE, BY THE TEXAS DEMOGRAPHER THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH, AND THEY HAVE TO ALLOCATE THAT GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE REGION. SO THE BENEFIT WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS YOU'RE NOT CONSTRAINED BY THAT. SO WE CAN GO AND LOOK AT THESE DEEPER DIVES, AND WE'RE NOT CONSTRAINED BY THAT ALLOCATION. COG WILL SOMETIMES LOOK AT IT IF THEY SEE SOMETHING UNIQUE OR INTERESTING. BUT AGAIN, IT ALWAYS FALLS BACK TO THAT. THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO REALLOCATE WHATEVER GROWTH THEY THEY'VE DESIGNED TO THE AREA AND MAYBE SHIFT IT BETWEEN TAXES. BUT THEY DO TEND TO KEEP IT SEPARATE FROM THEIR OTHER STUDY, BECAUSE RIS IS A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION GROUP. AND, AND TO WHAT COMMISSIONER GALANO WAS, [01:15:03] I THINK KIND OF GETTING TO IS LOOKING AT THE BUFFER ZONE, YOU KNOW, TWO TWO OF THE BIG HIGH GROWTH AREAS ABUT ME, WHICH WOULD BE HUNT COUNTY AND JOSEPHINE AND, AND YOUR MODEL LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ROCKWALL GROWS AND THEN LEVELS OFF AND THEN THE SURROUNDING AREAS GROW FASTER WHEN WE LEVEL OFF. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT. OKAY. I WHAT I'M SEEING IS EXPLOSION OF GROWTH TO MY NORTH AND TO MY EAST THAT ISN'T IN A CITY. AND I JUST THINK IT'S BEING MISSED. AND I WANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT TO ZONE AROUND ME. SURE. BECAUSE I JUST I THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SEEING. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THIS IS EXCELLENT. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO GIVE THIS LITTLE SPIEL WAS TO SOLICIT THAT IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS NICE, BUT YOU HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST INTIMATE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE. AND SO ITEM 16 IS, IS FM 1777 EXTENSION ACCORDING TO THE LAST COG NUMBERS, WHICH ARE LOWER THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING. THAT ROAD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING IS GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE OUTER LOOP ON THAT SEGMENT OF ROAD. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT WITH THE LINE OF QUESTIONING, IS THAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY AFFECT SOME OF OUR PLANNING DATA AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE A PRIORITY AND WHAT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. WELL, AND AS COMMISSIONER STACY MENTIONED, HE IS SURROUNDED BY TWO AREAS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. I'M SURROUNDED BY TWO AREAS TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE GROWING, EXPLODING AT EXPLODING PACE. AND AGAIN, I'LL BE I APPRECIATE YOU DIGGING INTO THE DATA AND LOOKING AT IT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S CRITICAL. BUT THE THE POINT I SEE FROM ALL THIS IS UNLESS WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY AND UNLESS JUDGE NEW CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BUILD A TOLL BRIDGE ON FOUR SIDES OF OUR COUNTY, THEY'RE COMING. SO WE BETTER BUILD OUR ROADS. AND WE GOT TO BE WE GOT TO BE ALL WORKING TOWARD THIS. AND IT'S JUST FURTHER EMPHASIS ON. SURE. AND LIKE I SAID, I IF WE NEED TO SIT DOWN, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO, IN FACT, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE IF WE ALL, YOU KNOW, GOT ON A CALL PER PRECINCT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING THE RIGHT THINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE DATA. IF YOU COULD SEND ME KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND EXPLAINING TO ME AND GIVE ME ABOUT A WEEK TO DIGEST IT, THEN I'D LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 WEEKS, JUST WALK THROUGH IT SOUNDS SOUNDS GREAT. I'LL HAVE ONE MORE KIND OF NITPICKY QUESTION. IT'S ABOUT A SURVEY QUESTION THAT I DON'T LIKE. I'VE ALREADY TOLD COMMISSIONER MACK LIKE I DON'T LIKE IT. QUESTION SIX THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT JUST AREN'T SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IN ROCKWALL. THERE'S NOT A NONE TO CHECK ON. I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS CALL ME AND SAY, I DON'T WANT REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY. I DON'T WANT NONE OF THE OPTIONS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO SELECT NONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT I JUST DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO INFLUENCE OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SURE THAT OUR. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE WANT A TRAIN COMING THROUGH HERE. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO INFLUENCE TO 2050 HOW WE CAN BUILD ROADS. OKAY, SO THAT QUESTION SEEMS LIKE IT'S MAYBE FIT FOR ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND NOT REALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT ROCKWALL COUNTY RESIDENTS WANT. SO IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING. SURE. I'VE HAD WELL, BRIAN COMES UP, I'VE HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS OF FEELS LIKE YOU'RE FORCING ME TO SELECT SOMETHING THAT I NEVER WOULD SELECT. BRIAN AND I DISCUSSED IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DATA AND WE UNDERSTAND TALKING TO THE COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE VERY AUTO ORIENTED COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THE IDEA IS THAT AT SOME POINT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER CONVERSATIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT IMMINENT. IT'S JUST ABOUT TESTING THE WATER TO SEE WHAT'S THERE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY AS FAR AS IT'S GOING TO GO. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG MARKUP ON ALL THESE OTHER IDEAS. WE MAY TALK IN SOME. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE COURT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD IN TEN OR 15 OR 20 YEARS ABOUT ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS? BUT I DON'T THINK IN THE NEAR TERM, THERE'S JUST OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME. BUT, MR. GLENN, I DEFINITELY WILL KEEP YOUR COMMENTS IN FUTURE AND WE WILL TRY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SURVEY RESULTS, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEAM DOES TREAT THOSE KIND OF COMMENTS WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LEVITY. COULD YOU HOW HARD WOULD IT BE FOR YOU TO READ QUESTION SIX? RIGHT NOW? I DON'T HAVE THE SURVEY ON ME OR ANYBODY. WELL, AND WHILE YOU'RE I SHOULD. IT'S A GOOD POINT. TWO TWO COMMISSIONER GALANOS [01:20:02] POINT. IF THERE'S NOT A NUN AND YOU WOULDN'T SELECT A NUN NONE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT ATTACKING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE'S NOT A NUN SELECTION TODAY. TODAY. IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO ANSWER A QUESTION. AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE, AS I THINK, COMMISSIONER GALLINA AS WELL, THAT WE DON'T, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, LOOK BACK AND SAY, HEY, 43% OF THE PEOPLE WANT A LIGHT RAIL SOLUTION. WHEN, WHEN IF WE GAVE THEM A NUN, YOU WOULD SEE THAT NUMBER GO DOWN TO VIRTUALLY ZERO. ONE THING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY DO IS SAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION AT ALL? AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO, IS SAY WHAT PEOPLE WERE NONRESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION, SAY, I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE ANSWERS. I'M NOT. SO DOES THE SURVEY ALLOW YOU TO SKIP A QUESTION? YEAH. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO DO THAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SKIP THE QUESTION. THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO PICK SOMETHING. YEAH. AND THEY'RE GOING TO PICK SOMETHING. WE CAN TREAT THAT QUESTION KIND OF IN A SEPARATE, I WILL SAY TWO. IT WAS EDITED TO ADD OTHER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SELECT IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THE QUESTION, THEY CAN SELECT OTHER. AND THEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SPECIFY WHY ARE YOU READ THE QUESTION? OH, ALL THAT BUILD UP AND THEN NO, NO QUESTION. YEAH. SORRY. SO THAT QUESTION NUMBER SIX READS, WHICH THREE OPTIONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ROCKWALL COUNTY EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE TO REDUCE DRIVING TRIPS? AND THEY CAN SELECT UP TO THREE REGIONAL TRANSIT SERVICE WITH PARK AND RIDE LOCATIONS, BIKING MICRO-MOBILITY OPTIONS I.E. SCOOTERS, ELECTRIC BIKE RENTALS, ETC. ON DEMAND TRANSIT, MICRO MICRO TRANSIT I.E. VANS AND SHUTTLES, REMOTE HYBRID WORK OR SCHOOL SCHEDULES, CARPOOLING, RIDE SHARING OPTIONS, WALKING AND THEN OTHER. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPECIFY OTHER IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE QUESTION. OKAY, THANKS, I APPRECIATE THAT. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU, INCLUDING NONE. I THOUGHT THIS HAD BEEN PUT RESOLVED. I I'VE BEEN CONTACTED AS JUDGE NEW AND AS COMMISSIONER GALLANT. I HAVE BY PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM ARE NOT IN MY PRECINCT, SOME OF WHOM ARE ABOUT THIS QUESTION, AND I'VE TRIED TO RESPOND TO EVERYONE THAT HAS. I THOUGHT THIS HAD BEEN DEALT WITH BY ADDING THE OTHER. I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. IF YOU SAY, WHICH THREE WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO TO REDUCE TRAFFIC? IF YOU SAY NONE, THAT MEANS YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC THE WAY I READ IT. SO PUT NONE IN THERE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. I THINK IT'D BE VERY INFORMATIVE. OTHER WAS PUT IN THERE AS SERIOUSLY AS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THIS CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAD RAISED, BECAUSE WE TRY TO BE VERY RESPONSIVE TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY, HEY, YOU CAN DO THINGS BETTER OR YOU CAN MAKE IT CLEARER. WE TRIED TO DO THAT, SO WE DID AN EDIT THE QUESTION TO INCLUDE THE OTHER AND GIVE THEM THE IDEA TO TO RESPOND. WE ALLOWED THEM TO SKIP IT. BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, PLEASE ADD NONE. PLEASE DO IT TODAY. SURE. AND I'M 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER GALLANT ON THAT. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS NOW THAT IT'S LIVE, SEE HOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY TWEAK THAT. AND TO REITERATE WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING AS WELL, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS EXERCISE MESSAGE RECEIVED VERY LOUD AND CLEAR, RIGHT ON IN TERMS OF THINGS BEING INTERPRETED. THE GOOD THING IS ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE THE STEERING COMMITTEE IN THE COURT WHO GETS TO SORT OF REVIEW THE DATA SET IN FRONT OF THEM AND MAKE THE ULTIMATE DISCARD A QUESTION. YEAH, I WOULD MAKE THAT UP TO YOU. JUST SUGGEST THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. I THINK WE ALL HATE TRAFFIC, BUT I THINK YOU CAN ADD A LINE THAT JUST SAYS NONE OF THE ABOVE, AND THEN YOU COULD LEAVE OTHER SO THAT PEOPLE COULD STILL GIVE YOU AN OPEN ENDED IDEA IF THEY WANT TO. JUST PUT NONE OF THE ABOVE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS A DART PARK AND RIDE HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW REMOTE HYBRID WORK SCHEDULES ARE GOING TO BE DONE THROUGH A COMMISSIONERS COURT ACTION. I DON'T BIKING AND NOBODY WANTS ELECTRIC SCOOTERS HERE, RIGHT? CARPOOL AND RIDE SHARE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT ON DEMAND TRANSIT VANS AND SHUTTLES. WE HAVE STAR TRANSIT FOR THOSE NEEDS RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT WALKING MEANS. I MEAN, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT WALKING IS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE PLAN? SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS. JUST PUT NONE OF THE ABOVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK NOW. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THE SURVEY IS GOING TO BE OPEN. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS EVEN GOING TO DO, BUT THAT'S JUST [01:25:05] WHAT MY PEOPLE ARE. SURE, SURE. YEAH. COMMISSIONER HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. LET'S DO IT. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE AT FARMER'S MARKET STARTING THIS SATURDAY AND THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY. SO WE WE I HOPE TO HAVE SOME MORE ADDITIONS TO THE TO THE SURVEY. YEAH. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL GET TO WORK ON THAT COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GALLINA, WHAT DOES IS MEAN. NO, NO STAY FOCUSED. CARRY ON WITH YOUR PRESENTATION PLEASE. SORRY, I'M HIJACKING IT. JUST ONE POINT OF CLARITY. THAT QUESTION DOES HAVE TO BE ANSWERED. YOU CAN'T SUBMIT YOUR SURVEY WITHOUT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. CHANGE IT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. WE'LL DO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOO. YEAH. THANK YOU ERIC. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S IT FOR MY DEMOGRAPHIC SLIDE. I HAD A FEELING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK TO BRIAN. I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE POINT THAT WITH REMOTE WORK THAT IS BECOMING THE NEXT MOST DOMINANT MODE OF TRANSIT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL WORK REMOTELY FROM HOME AND THAT REMOVES TRIPS. SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE DID HAVE IT IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE, BECAUSE MOST COUNTIES WE'RE SEEING NOW UP TO 10% OF TRIPS CAN BE REMOTE WORK. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL. SO IT'S USEFUL FOR TO DEVELOPING POLICIES TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR HOME OFFICE. AND THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. BUT ANYWAYS, NEXT STEPS ARE TO CLOSE AND, AND UPDATE THE SURVEY. WE'LL FIX THAT QUESTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE OFFICE, COMPLETE THE ISSUES AND NEEDS IDENTIFICATION IN SUMMARY. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT TO HELP MARK UP THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND START WORKING ON SOME POLICIES. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE PROPOSED PROJECTS. WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING THE NETWORK MODELS. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK AND THEN CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE REPORT DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BRIAN. I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. AND ERIC, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK GETTING READY FOR THE UPDATE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WOULD JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY AND OUR LEGAL COUNSEL THAT ONE OF THE ONE MAJOR PORTION OF THIS THAT'S NOT DISCUSSED IS OUR APPORTIONMENT PLANNING. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING TO SOME INPUT FROM YOUR TEAM OVER THERE. SO THAT THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. ALSO, EDDIE, EDDIE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPORTIONMENT IF THERE ARE ANY. WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY GIVE AN UPDATE. WE HAVE MET WITH THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND WE REVIEWED THE METHODOLOGICAL APPROACH, KIND OF A TECHNICAL APPROACH OF HOW APPORTIONMENT WOULD BE MEASURED. AND SO WE'RE REALLY WAITING ON FEEDBACK. THEY'VE HAD A FEW WEEKS NOW. THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK SOON. ON IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO THE TECHNICAL APPROACH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EDDIE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS CORRECT. THAT IS A BIG ONE OF THE BIG GOALS WE WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN. UPDATE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, COURT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH 15, 16, 17 AND 18 AND THEN TAKE [15. Discuss/Act on Approving the Professional Services Agreement between Rockwall County and WSB for the FM 549 project from FM 740/FM 550 to SH 205 at a total cost of $3,284,621, and all related issues; (Judge New — County Auditor)] A BREAK. SO LET'S SEE HOW WE DO HERE. AGENDA ITEM 15 DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND WSB FOR THE FM 549 PROJECT FROM FM 740 SLASH FM 550 TO STATE HIGHWAY 205, AT A TOTAL COST OF $3,284,621 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. MISS MELISSA. ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS? WE HAVE A CONTRACT IN FRONT OF US, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. OKAY. OH. BRENDA'S HERE. COME ON UP, BRENDA. I'LL LET BRENDA TALK AND THEN I'LL ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, BRENDA? ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY? OKAY. WHO REVIEWED THE CONTRACT? ERICA? CRAIG STODDARD AND YOU AND US. YES. OF COURSE. OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY ITS. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE AND FROM THE LEGAL SIDE. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THAT IS THAT TRUE OF ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND WSB FOR THE FM 549 PROJECT FROM FM 740 SLASH FM 550 TO STATE HIGHWAY 205, AT A TOTAL COST $3,284,621. I CAN'T SECOND IT FAST ENOUGH. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. [01:30:04] ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO [16. Discuss/Act on approving the Professional Services Agreement between Rockwall County and Lamb-Star Engineering, LLC for the FM 1777/FM 35 Extension project from SH 66 to IH 30 Westbound frontage road at a cost of $3,473,293, an all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy – County Auditor)] 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 16. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND LANDSTAR ENGINEERING, LLC FOR THE FM 1777 FM 35 EXTENSION PROJECT FROM STATE HIGHWAY 66 TO HIGHWAY 30 WESTBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD, AT A COST OF $3,473,293.00. IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COURT THAT THIS SECTION OF ROAD IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD. IT HAS A COLLIN COUNTY SECTION. IT HAS FLOODPLAIN, IT HAS RAILROAD. IT ALSO HAS A PROJECTED TRIP RATE THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE OUTER LOOP IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS. BUT WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS CONTRACT WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY AND LANDSTAR ENGINEERING, LLC FOR THE FM 1777 FM 35 EXTENSION PROJECT FROM STATE HIGHWAY 66, INTERSTATE 30 WESTBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD AT A COST OF $3,473,293. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL SECOND IT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MACK. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES. NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 17. [17. Discuss/Act on approving a Professional Service Agreement between Rockwall County and Bridgefarmer & Associates for the Horizon Road project from FM 740 to IH 30 at a total cost of $1,491,532, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND BRIDGE FARMER AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE HORIZON ROAD PROJECT FROM FM 740 TO HIGHWAY 30, AT A TOTAL COST OF $1,491,532.00 IN ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER MACLIN, MY. I JUST HAD THIS. THIS WAS PART HAS A LOT OF PAIN POINTS ON IT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY. HEAVY TRAFFIC. BUT IT'S VERY WELL NEEDED. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET ON INTERSTATE 30 TO HEAD HEAD TO WORK, MAYBE THEY DON'T WORK REMOTELY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY MUCH NEEDED. SO AND THERE'S ALSO THE GROUP THAT KNOWS YOU CAN ONLY TURN LEFT FROM THE LEFT LANE AND SLIDE INTO THE RIGHT LANE. AT THE LAST MINUTE, SNEAK OVER. I'VE WATCHED THAT MANY TIMES TO REMOVE THAT WHOLE FRICTION FROM THE COUNTY, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND BRIDGE FARMER AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE HORIZON ROAD PROJECT FROM 740 TO INTERSTATE 30. TOTAL COST OF 1,000,491 $532. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACLIN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. [18. Discuss/Act on approving Supplemental Agreement #1 between Rockwall County and Teague Nall Perkins, Inc. for the FM 550 project; increasing the scope of the project from Wilder Drive to FM 1139 at a cost of $326,476, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)] THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 18. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND TEAGUE PERKINS INC FOR THE FM 550 PROJECT, INCREASING THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT FROM WILDER DRIVE TO FM 1139 AT A COST OF $326,476 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, AS ANYONE KNOWS WHO'S DRIVEN FM 550 SOUTH OF US. 276 THERE ARE SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT CURVES IN THIS ROAD AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT STRAIGHTENING THE FIRST OF THOSE CURVES, WE REALIZED IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOFTENING OTHER CURVES ALSO. SO WE'RE INCREASING WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON WITH THE FIRST CURVE TO EXPAND IT, TO PICK UP THE OTHER CURVES ALSO, AND EXTENDING OUR STUDY BY ABOUT ONE HALF OF A MILE. SO. GOT IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRENDA OR COMMISSIONER LICHTY? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT, NUMBER ONE BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND PERKINS INC FOR THE FM 550 PROJECT, INCREASING THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT FROM WALTER DRIVE TO FM 1139 AT A COST OF $326,476. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU. AND [19. Discuss/act on Memorandum of Understanding Regarding the Outer Loop - Southern Portion of Rockwall County, and proposed revisions to submit to the Regional Transportation Council, and all related matters; (Commissioner Liechty)] ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING A QUICK TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM 19. DISCUSS AND ACT ON MEMORANDA OF UNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE OUTER LOOP SOUTHERN PORTION OF ROCKWALL COUNTY AND PROPOSED REVISIONS TO SUBMIT TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. COMMISSIONER LICHTEN. THANK YOU, JUDGE, JUST REAL BRIEFLY AND I APPRECIATE MR. MERLINO COMING IN HIS INVITATION AND YOUR KIND WORDS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT AFFECTS OUR COUNTY SIGNIFICANTLY, AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. AND I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT. AND I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF THE HISTORY, BUT ON THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IT, WE AS A COURT APPROVED ON MARCH 10TH A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO TRY AND DIRECT HOW THIS ROUTE WILL BE BUILT IF AND [01:35:07] WHEN IT'S BUILT THROUGH OUR COUNTY, AND TO HAVE IMPACT ON THE MITIGATION OF THE OR TO TO AFFECT BETTER MITIGATION EFFORTS. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE SUCH A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR COUNTY TO ENHANCE THE ROAD AND PUT IN FEATURES THAT WILL MAKE IT BETTER. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS HERE. WE GOT COMMENTS BACK FROM THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL. WE CONSIDERED THOSE COMMENTS AT OUR LAST MEETING ON APRIL 14TH. I GOT COMMENTS FROM EACH OF YOU AND TRIED TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. IN YOUR PACKET. YOU SHOULD HAVE A REDLINED VERSION THAT SHOWS THE COMMENTS I MADE TO THE DOCUMENT WE RECEIVED FROM THE RTC, AND I HOPE YOU'LL SEE THAT I'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. IF I MISS SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL, ALTHOUGH I'VE SLEPT A LOT SINCE THEN, SO I DON'T REMEMBER. I HAVEN'T MUCO THOUGH. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, IT'S. STOP THAT RABBIT TRAIL. SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A REVISED MOU IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH WE'LL TRY TO INCORPORATE THESE COMMENTS. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE THOUGHTS OR THINGS YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN FINISH THIS TODAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I KNOW THAT FROM TALKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, IT WAS THE IDEA OF THIS WAS APPROVED BY WHAT'S IT CALLED, MR. POLSTER SURFACE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, SURFACE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE OF THE RTC APPROVED DOING AN MOU WITH US. SO THEN WHATEVER WE DO WILL BE SENT TO THE RTC FOR THEIR REVIEW AND ACTION. SO WITH THAT, I WILL LEAVE IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY POINT TO WALK YOU THROUGH THESE CHANGES. I'D BE HAPPY TO IF YOU WANT ME TO, BUT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY DISCUSSION. QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOHN POLSTER. I SHOULD HAVE WARNED YOU, BUT YOU WERE IN A VERY HEATED DISCUSSION WHEN I WALKED BY. SO. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE PREAMBLE, OR WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY REFERS TO AS THE RECITALS, WHICH I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. SO WHEN WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT WITH OR THE COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE RTC BACK IN 2021, THE IDEA WAS TO BE IN EXCHANGE FOR A PROJECT. IS THERE ANY IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LOCAL DOLLARS TO THEN DO THE SOUTHERN PORTION. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THERE IS A NEGOTIATION POINT TO SAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LOCAL DOLLARS, WE. WE CAN MAKE SOME SORT OF EFFORT FROM THE RTC TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORT. YES, SIR. AND I WAS GOING TO I GUESS I'LL LET YOU DECIDE IF THIS IS GERMANE. BUT IN A CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH MR. MORRIS POST, THE MEETING THAT MR. GALLINA WAS REFERENCING, HE HAS OFFERED SINCE THE MONEY THAT'S ON 205 WAS HIS TO COME ALONGSIDE US AND BE OUR PARTNER, TO WORK OUT OUR DIFFERENCES WITH TXDOT. AND THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO WORK THOSE DIFFERENCES OUT ALWAYS IS MONEY. SO HE OFFERED THAT FRIDAY. SO I THINK THERE ARE I WAS TELLING THE COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AT THE RTC, TXDOT, THE, THE, THE, THE UTP, THERE'S MORE MONEY THAN THEY ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS THAN WE HAVE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS STATEWIDE. OKAY. WELL, THAT WILL BE GOOD BECAUSE THEN WE MIGHT GET ANOTHER PROJECT ADDED TO THE UTP NEXT YEAR. IN THEORY, IF THEY CAN CLEAR SOME. YEP, THAT WOULD BE NICE. SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS COMMISSIONER LICHTY ADDED, BASICALLY, LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, PURSUANT TO A COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE RTC AND THE COUNTY, THEREBY THE COUNTY HAS PERFORMED ITS OBLIGATION WITH RESPECT TO SUCH COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENTS. SO HE'S ADDED THAT LANGUAGE, WHICH I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME. I'M WANTING TO ADD A COUPLE ADDITIONAL RECITALS. SO WALK. SO I'M NOT OBVIOUSLY SOLD ON THE LANGUAGE, BUT WHEREAS UNDER THE COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE RTC, THE COUNTY HAS AGREED TO SEPARATE THE PROJECT INTO SECTIONS FROM 1138 TO 276 AND THEN FROM 276 TO KAUFMAN COUNTY. [01:40:02] I DO NOT THINK THAT'S GERMANE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE RTC BELIEVES WE SPLIT IT. WHEN WE ACTUALLY CAME TO AN AGREEMENT IN APRIL TO SPLIT THE PROJECTS. SO ANYWAYS, IT'S JUST A RECITAL. IT'S. I DON'T THINK IT'S, BUT I, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A. I DON'T THINK IT'S A SMALL DETAIL TO LET THE RTC KNOW. WE ALL AGREE TO SPLIT THE PROJECTS. THEN I WANTED. SO JUST JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT BOTH PARTIES AGREED TO DIVIDE IT. CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE RTC AS IF WE. WE JUST DECIDED TO DIVIDE. AND IT'S LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S GERMANE, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A MINOR DETAIL, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IT'S A GOOD THING. THE SECOND, WHEREAS IS THE COUNTY HAS FULFILLED OUR OBLIGATION ON THE NORTHERN PART AND WE EXPECT THEIR COMMITMENT TO STATE HIGHWAY 205. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PUT IN THERE. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE LAST PART THAT WE WANT THE RTC TO STAY COMMITTED TO? 205 YEAH, EXCELLENT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY AGREED TO DO. I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT NOT TO LIMIT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER STACY, BUT IN SECTION THREE C OF THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN IN THE INITIAL DRAFT THAT THEY DID NOT OBJECT TO, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR NEEDS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO OTHER STATE HIGHWAYS AND FARM TO MARKET ROADS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE INTERNAL TRAFFIC FLOWS. AND THE OUTER LOOP IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED IN LIEU OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY THIS HAS NEVER TO BE POINTED TO AND SAY, LOOK, WE BUILT YOU AN OUTER LOOP. CORRECT. THANKS A LOT. BUT SO BUT TO ADD IN, EVEN IF WE CAN, IF AS LONG AS YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, JOHN, THE CONTRACT THAT YOU EXECUTED IN AUGUST OF 2021 HAD TWO SECTIONS ON IT. SO WE WE GOT TO GET 205 GOING. WE ABSOLUTELY GOT TO GET 205 GOING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT SO SO I JUST THINK A VERY, VERY SIMPLE. I MEAN, MINE'S LONGER. BUT WHEREAS IN, YOU KNOW, APRIL OF 2021, IT WAS AGREED UPON BY THE COUNTY AND THE RTC TO SPLIT THE PROJECT INTO TWO PHASES WOULD BE PLENTY ENOUGH. I JUST DON'T THINK IT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT CLEARS THE AIR. AND WHEREAS THE COUNTY HAS FULFILLED OUR OBLIGATION, WE, YOU KNOW, HOPE THAT THE RTC OR PUT SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT THEIR COMMITMENT TO STATE HIGHWAY 205 BECAUSE AS BOBBY. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER, BUT I MEAN THAT WE NEED WE NEED SOMEONE TO BE COMMITTED TO 205. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT LOCAL DOLLARS INTO A PROJECT, WE NEED SOMETHING IN RETURN. I, I, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. I, I EXPECT THEM TO EXPEDITE 205, 205 IS, OF COURSE, A SOURCE OF INCREDIBLE FRUSTRATION TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY. IT IS TOP TO BOTTOM AND WE NEED TO FIX IT. YEAH. AND THAT INCLUDES THE TRADE OFF. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 205, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN JOHN KING AND 205 AS WELL. THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PROJECT, THE RTC IS COMMITTED TO THAT. TXDOT NOTWITHSTANDING, THEY GOT TO COME ALONG FOR THE RIDE REGARDLESS. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT THE MEETING WAS ABOUT, NOT ONLY 205, BUT THE TRADE OFF WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL. I'M GOOD WITH YOU, INCLUDING 205 AND THE JOHN KING SWITCH. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DEAL, WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR. THEN I WOULD USE COMMISSIONER HIS WORD ABOUT WHAT'S THAT NOT LIMITED TO OR NOT CORRECT WITHOUT LIMITATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T YOU WANT TO DO ALL THE. YES. OKAY. BUT BUT I, I JUST AGAIN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON THE SURFACE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT I DIDN'T LIKE HOW THEY PRESENTED THE DEAL AT THE RTC. AND I THINK IT CLEARS UP THEIR ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE DEAL. AND IT SOLIDIFIES OUR IDEA THAT WE THAT IF WE'RE DOING THIS, WE. 205 IS A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AND STILL TO THIS DAY SAY THAT IS THE PROJECT THAT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO GET DONE. SO YEAH. NOW ANYWAYS, SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE IN THE WHEREASES. AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GO LIKE FROM, FROM THE, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING LOCAL DOLLARS IN IT. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR RETURN. IT'S WE'RE GETTING A LOT BETTER DEAL BACK FROM THE RTC THAN WE'RE PUTTING IN. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY AT THIS POINT COULD NOT BUILD 205 AS A COUNTY. SO WE NEED STATE AND RTC MONEY WITHOUT QUESTION. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE WE'RE BEING A BAD STEWARD OR SAYING OR TRYING TO SOUR THE RELATIONSHIP. I THINK THAT THEY THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO IT. THEY'RE ALREADY COMMITTED TO IT. AND IT'S JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO WRITE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, LET'S PUT ALL OF OUR UNDERSTANDING TOGETHER. BUT [01:45:01] BEFORE WE WE MOVE OFF FROM THAT, I THINK IF IF IT REALLY IS IN OUR MIND THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE JOHN KING SWAP, LET'S. LET'S SAY THAT LET'S. INSTEAD OF SAYING WITHOUT LIMITATION, 205, LET'S SAY SPECIFICALLY 205 SOUTH AND 205 MIDDLE, INCLUDING THE JOHN KING SWAP. JUST SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WAS POINTING ABOUT THE NOT LIMITATIONS IS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE 276, 745, 548. THAT MEANS THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER ROADS THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT THEM TO COME. ALL THOSE CONTRACTS, YOU JUST, WE WANT THEM TO COME ALONGSIDE ON ALL THOSE TWO. SO I WAS JUST SAYING, DON'T LIMIT YOURSELF. CORRECT. WHEN MY NOTES REFLECT EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD? NO. OKAY. I SUSPECTED AS MUCH THAT THAT WAS JUST ON THE RECITAL AND THE LANGUAGE, I THINK. AND AND I WAS, I GUESS WHAT DID I WHAT DID I SAY YESTERDAY, LAUREN? I FEEL LIKE A STICK IN THE MUD ON FOUR A AND FOUR B, SO. 4BI WANT TO TAKE FOUR B BEFORE FOUR A BECAUSE BECAUSE 4AI FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STICK IN THE MUD THAN I DO ONE FOUR B SO THANK YOU LAUREN FOR FOR ENTERTAINING MY DESIRE TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FOR REASONABLE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING JUDGMENT APPLIES. I. I DON'T LIKE LANGUAGE THAT ISN'T WELL DEFINED AND THAT IS BECAUSE I'M JUST A MATH AND NUMBERS PERSON. WE'RE HIRING AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO THIS. CAN'T WE JUST SAY REASONABLE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING JUDGMENT OF THE HIRED FIRM? DOES DOES IS THAT I MEAN, BECAUSE TO ME, WHOSE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT DOES MATTER TO ME? WELL, I'LL I'LL TELL YOU, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD WANT TO GO THERE. OKAY. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE I HAVE WE HAVE HIRED ENGINEERING FIRMS AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COURT. AND WE DID WHEN I WAS IN HEATH THAT I DISAGREE WITH. AND I DON'T WANT TO. THE REASON I CHANGED IT THE WAY IT IS, IS YOU HAD YOU HAD RAISED THE ISSUE OF, WELL, WHO GETS TO SAY? AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO WE PUT INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING. BUT IF HALF COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T LIKE OR AS A COURT, I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THEM. ALSO, IF WE THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, THEIR JUDGMENT IS INAPPROPRIATE, OR THAT THEY'RE BEING INFLUENCED BY THE RTC OR BY WHATEVER CONNECTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D WANT TO GO WITH THAT, BUT I'LL LET IT. THAT IS TOTALLY FAIR ON THE ON WHAT'S THAT'S TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S A DESIGN MANUAL FOR ALL THESE THINGS. AND BRANT IS HERE AND THERE'S ONE I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME ENGINEERING FIRMS HERE. THEY CAN ELABORATE, BUT THERE'S A DESIGN MANUAL THAT TO FOLLOW. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHATEVER THE DESIGN SPEED IS FOR THE OUTER LOOP, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO START WITH. THEY START WITH DESIRABLE AND THEN THEY WORK BACK FROM DESIRABLE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT ALL OF Y'ALL GO THROUGH. LIKE WE'VE SEEN WHEN THEY DID THE PRESENTATION FOR THE MOU ABOUT REMOVING THE FRONTAGE ROADS, INSENSITIVE AREAS, DEPRESSING THE ROAD, REMOVING THE ELEVATED BRIDGE STRUCTURES, THOSE ARE ALL DESIGNED JUDGMENT. SO THEY'RE USING THE DESIGN MANUAL. WHEN YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT, THEY GO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY. LIKE IF YOU TELL THEM YOU WANT A TUNNEL, THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU $1 BILLION. WELL, AND PRACTICAL. I, I, AS I SAID MANY TIMES, GIVE ME A ONE MILE TUNNEL AND I'LL SHUT UP. RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT WORTH $1 BILLION. I THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT WAY. BUT ONE THING JUST TO YOUR POINT, JOHN, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT GOING OFF TRACK, BUT IT'S I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE THIS. WE HAVE WHEN WE DO THESE BIG CONTRACTS AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WE APPOINT AN AGENT. AND I THINK IN THE PAST, THE COURTS BEFORE PRIOR TO COMMISSIONER MAGNUS'S UNTIMELY DEATH, EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF LEFT IT TO HIM. I THINK WHEN WE DO DO THIS NEW CONTRACT, WE SHOULD APPOINT AN AGENT ON OUR COURT BECAUSE TO TO WATCH THINGS AND MONITOR THINGS. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE COURT NOW A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS. AND EXCEPT FOR THE 90 DAY FREEZE ON WORK, THERE HAVE BEEN YOU GUYS ARE HALF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS NORTHERN OUTER LOOP CONTRACT. WE'VE NEVER BEEN BRIEFED ON IT HERE IN THE COURT. WE'VE I'VE SEEN A COUPLE EMAILS [01:50:03] GO, BUT ALL THIS IS GOING ON AND WE ARE BY DOING THIS MOU. TO OUR CREDIT, I THINK WE ARE INTERJECTING OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING MUCH MORE THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH THE NORTHERN SECTION. AND I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A COMMISSIONERS COURT SAY, HEY, WE WANT A CONTRACT REPRESENTATIVE AND WE WANT SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH THIS AND HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND REPORT TO THE COURT AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BECAUSE THE EASIEST THING TO DO, AS SOMEONE SAID AT THE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT OVER AT THE HOA, THE EASY THING TO DO WOULD BE TO SAY, OH, SORRY, THIS THEY DID IT, BUT WE'RE TAKING IT UPON OURSELVES TO GET INVOLVED. AND GETTING INVOLVED MEANS WE GOT TO WORK HARD, AND IT MEANS WE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL. SO TO YOUR POINT ON THIS ENGINEERING ISSUE, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPERATIVE THAT WE APPOINT SOMEONE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AND MAYBE JUST THE PERSON, MAYBE THAT'S SITTING DIRECTLY TO MY LEFT. MAYBE IT'S SOMEONE RIGHT HERE. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND, AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF TIPTOE INTO A GRAY AREA. AND I THINK THE COURT ALSO NEEDS TO LOOK AT SOMEONE TO APPROVE INVOICES. SO USED TO GOING BACK. THOSE ALL CAME THROUGH MAGNUS. AND THEN COMMISSIONER BAILEY JUST INHERITED THOSE. AND THEN WHEN HE LEFT, I INHERITED THOSE. AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO, I SIT HERE AND I THOUGHT, WHY ISN'T THIS GOING TO THE ENGINEER? WHY ISN'T THE ENGINEER THE ONE APPROVING THESE PAY REQUESTS? I MEAN, IT'S APPROVES THEM, SENDS THEM FOR APPROVAL. BUT WE I THINK WE SENT THEM TO THE AUDITOR. I THINK THE AUDITOR SENDS THEM TO YOU ALL. THAT'S THAT'S BELT AND SUSPENDERS. WE JUST SEND THEM TO THE AUDITOR BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR FINAL. GOT IT. SO BACK TO YOUR POINT. I THINK YOU KNOW THOSE PROBABLY SHOULD START GOING TO THE ENGINEER FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN WHOEVER IS ASSIGNED TO EACH PROJECT PROBABLY NEEDS. CAN I CLARIFY? WHEN YOU SAY THE ENGINEER, YOU MEAN ENGINEER, THAT'S ERICA. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, ERICA? OKAY, WELL, REMEMBER, IF YOU'RE USING BOND PROGRAM FUNDS, WE THE TTS NEEDS TO APPROVE THOSE. IF WE NEED TO SEND THEM TO ERICA, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THE FIRST SHOT AT IT BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES MANAGING THE PROJECT. YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL. YEAH, I'M. I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOU OUT. WHO DO WE SCENARIO YOU SEND THEM TO THE AUDITOR, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. OKAY. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS THAT WE TELL THEM WHERE TO SEND THE STUFF AND THEY SEND THEM TO US CARE OF THE COUNTY, AND THEN WE REVIEW THEM, SEND THEM TO WE'LL SEND THEM TO THE NEXT PERSON, WHATEVER THAT IS. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WON'T CHANGE INTERNALLY. I THINK INSTEAD OF COMING TO ME, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO START GOING TO THE ENGINEER. BUT TO YOUR POINT. YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE ARE, WE DO HAVE AN APPETITE TO BE MORE INVOLVED CLEARLY. YEAH. SO I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO CODIFY THAT IN THIS MOU OR JUST AMONGST OURSELVES AGREE THAT NO, I DON'T THINK WE DO NEED TO PUT IT IN THE MOU, BUT I WAS JUST MAKING THE POINT BECAUSE THE THOUGHT I'VE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE AND IN THOUGHT WE GOT TO HAVE SOME. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THIS CONTRACT, SO TO SPEAK. AND I MEAN, BOBBY'S DONE THE THIRD FLOOR AND JOHN HAS DONE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE ANNEX. AND WE. THIS IS A I MEAN, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A CONTRACT THAT HAS MORE IMPACT ON OUR COUNTY THAN THIS. SO THAT'S JUST A NOTE. WE DON'T NEED TO PUT IT IN HERE, BUT JUST I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU ALL, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY SIGN A CONTRACT WITH HALF THAT, WE APPOINT SOMEONE WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE COURT UPDATED AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND JUST WATCH OUT FOR THINGS THAT WE MIGHT THINK, WAIT A MINUTE, WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AMONGST OURSELVES BEFORE WE JUST GO ON. AND REALLY, JOHN TRIGGERED. I SENT YOU AN EMAIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHERE SOMEBODY HAD APPROVED SOMETHING UP IN THE NORTHERN PART. AND I MY EMAIL TO YOU WAS, HEY, WHO APPROVED THIS? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOT ME THINKING ON THIS. SO. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER STACY, ARE YOU YOU HALFWAY HALFWAY THROUGH YOUR QUESTIONS OR. NO, I JUST MY I'M JUST STUCK ON FOR A. SO I DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED, BUT WE CAN GO TO THAT WHEN WE'RE READY TO GO TO THAT. WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I, MY, MY NOTE HERE AND. FOUR IS DESIGN OBJECTIVES. AND FOUR A IS MOVING THE ROUTE ALIGNMENT AWAY FROM EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND ONTO CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED RURAL LAND. IN THIS REGARD, THE RTC WILL GIVE PREFERENTIAL CONSIDERATION TO ANY PREFERRED ROUTE THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, WHICH MAY BE PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY. AS LONG AS MOBILITY BENEFITS ARE NOT. AND THEN THE NEWEST CHANGE IS MATERIALLY AND ADVERSELY REDUCED. SO MY [01:55:05] QUESTION IS SIMPLY AS DETERMINED BY WHO THAT'S MATERIALLY, MATERIALLY AND ADVERSELY REDUCED. WELL, LET ME LET ME START BY SAYING THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT LAWYERS ARGUE ABOUT CONSTANTLY. AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN HERE. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE RIGHT DOCUMENT FOR IT. WE HAVEN'T GONE INTO A LARGE. DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROVISIONS. SO WHEN WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE AND THIS, I GOT TO TELL YOU FOR A IS A HUGE PARAGRAPH. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PARAGRAPHS FOR US TO, TO, TO MANAGE, I THINK GOING FORWARD. AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME OF THE MOST VIGOROUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT IT'S WHAT IT WOULD COME DOWN TO IS WE WOULD SAY WE PREFER ROUTE A, LET'S SAY THAT'S NOT ANY OF THE A, B OR C THAT ARE THERE. JUST ROUTE A AND THE RTC, OR WOULD SAY WE DON'T. WE THINK THAT IT MATERIALLY AND ADVERSELY REDUCES MOBILITY BENEFITS. AND THEN THEN THEN WE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO SAY WE DISAGREE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO DISCUSSIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT CONTRACTS ARE WRITTEN FOR, IS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO RESOLUTION. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER PARTY I KNOW AS A COUNTY, I DON'T EVER WANT TO AGREE TO SOME BINDING ARBITRATION GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M MY GUESS IS THE RTC REMEMBER, EITHER REMEMBER, THIS MOU IS JUST A FRAMEWORK. WHATEVER WE DO ON THIS, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE US STRONGLY WHEN WE WRITE THE PURPOSE AND NEED FOR THE DOCUMENT THAT WE PUT ALL THESE THINGS IN THE PURPOSE AND NEED, BECAUSE THEN IT'S A REQUIREMENT TO COMPLY WITH AND. AND TO THAT POINT, JOHN, AND I'VE THE PURPOSE AND NEED ON THE ON OTHER CONTRACTS I'VE LOOKED AT ARE MUCH SHORTER. YEAH. WHEN I SAY PURPOSE, NEED, IT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HIRE HALF. YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM ALL THESE THINGS YOU WANT THEM TO DO. BUT THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO GET DONE AND STICK IT INTO THE FEDERAL DOCUMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT EVERYTHING WE DO AFTERWARDS HAS TO PROVE UP WHAT'S IN THIS BOX. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THEY'RE USUALLY ABOUT THIS SEVEN SEVEN LINES. AND WE CAN MAKE THEM 50 LINES. AND OR WE COULD EVEN ATTACH THIS AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE DOCUMENT. I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO TYPE IT IN. OKAY. SO BUT THE POINT IS WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THIS RIGHT INTO IT. AND SO WHO DOES WHO DECIDES IT? IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE AS TO WHO DECIDES IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY THE THE PROCESS I WANT TO GO ON. THE PROCESS IS THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE YOU GOT TO KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH UNTIL YOU TO PROVE THAT YOU'VE EITHER MET THAT PURPOSE AND NEED OR YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T MEET THE PURPOSE. ME THAT'S THE REASON FOR A NO BUILD. THERE'S NO BUILD ON ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. IF YOU DON'T MEET THE PURPOSE OF NEED, THAT'S A NO BUILD. SO, SO ON ON FOR A IT'S MY PREFERENCE THAT IT STOPS AFTER THE WORD. THE LAST COUNTY. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT ORIGINALLY STARTED. AND THEN THE RTC OR SOME VERSION OF THE RTC ADDED AS LONG AS SOMETHING. AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE ASKING TO MODIFY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A PREFERRED COUNTY ROUTE, AND WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THE PREFERRED COUNTY ROUTE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LOCAL DOLLARS TO DO THIS STUDY, THE GOAL IS FOR THIS BODY TO ENDORSE A ROUTE. IF WE ENDORSE A ROUTE, WE EXPECT SOME SORT OF PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THE ROUTE THAT IS ENDORSED. WE DON'T EXPECT THE RTC TO COME BACK AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT IT DOES FOR X, Y, AND Z. NOW I'M WITH YOU. I DO THINK THAT THIS REQUIRES NEGOTIATION. AND AND IF WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO ENDORSE SOME CRAZY ROUTE AND AND, YOU KNOW, IT GOES ZIGZAGGY. I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT, BUT WE'RE ENTERING INTO AN MOU SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND X AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LOCAL DOLLARS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS ROUTE. AND WE EXPECT WHAT WE DEVELOP TO BE TAKEN AT A VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL. THAT'S ALL I WANT FOR A TO SAY. I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE AND NEEDS WILL START DEFINING THE SCOPE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. YOU'RE ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEARING THE [02:00:01] PROJECT. YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL THE WORK. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY FOUND IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. AND ALMOST ALMOST EVERY TIME AN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE IS CLEARED, IT HAS SOME OR MOST OR ALL OF THE VERSIONS OF THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS SAYS THAT'S PART OF YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S COMMUNITY COHESION. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THAT CORRIDOR WANT THAT ALIGNMENT, WHICH MEANS IT'LL PROBABLY COST MORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT INTO FLOODPLAIN OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT CAN'T BE A DETERMINING FACTOR. SO YOU ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT ON THAT. IF YOU'RE IF YOU CLEAR IT, IT'LL GO WHERE YOU CLEARED IT. AND THAT'S THE POINT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. CORRECT? YEAH. WHAT AND I, I, IF WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED BY THE RTC, TAKING THAT OUT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH. THAT'S THE WAY I WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND SO I OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. AND TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, IT SAYS THEY WILL GIVE PREFERENTIAL CONSIDERATION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND AND QUITE FRANKLY, REMEMBER. ONCE YOU START THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE PROCESS, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO SO FAR OFF THE 2050 PLAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE THE DRIVER. IT'S BETWEEN YOU AND I ARE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHECK OUR HOMEWORK ISN'T THE RTC, IT'S TXDOT. IT'S GOING TO BE THE DISTRICT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ITERATIVELY WITH THOSE FOLKS, JUST LIKE WE WERE ON ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS. OKAY. I GUESS SO, JOHN. WELL, SO LAUREN, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE WHEN WE MET WITH MICHAEL MORRIS, HE STATED TO US AND YOU WERE THERE, GET ME FROM 30 TO KAUFMAN COUNTY. LIKE I, I MEAN, HE AND HE DID. AND Y'ALL AND Y'ALL WENT, Y'ALL SHOWED. WE DID ALL THOSE IN THE HUNT COUNTY AND AND THEY SHOWED YOU WHY THEY DOUBTED. AND I'M SAYING THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY, THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IF WE CAN FIND A ROUTE THROUGH ROCKWALL COUNTY, LET'S ENDORSE THAT ROUTE. PERFECT. THAT'S ALL I WANT FOR A TO SAY. AND WHEN WE WERE AT THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, THEY'RE ALL ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS AND WHATEVER. AND WHEN MICHAEL BRIEFED WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ASK LIKE THE RTC, ARE Y'ALL DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT FOR THEM THAN YOU DO FOR ANYBODY ELSE? AND THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE ALL THOSE THINGS, ALL LAUREN WANTED TO DO WAS GET IT IN WRITING. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE PROCESS. WE'RE JUST GETTING AN AGREEMENT UP FRONT. SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS LIKE ON 205. AND JOHN, SINCE WE'RE BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING NO TO LANGUAGE THEY ASKED FOR, YOU CAN YOU CAN TALK THEM THROUGH. I'LL WORK THROUGH IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE WANTING TO DEAL. YEAH, I THINK I MEAN IT JUST SAYS IT STILL SAYS PREFERENTIAL CONSIDERATION. IT DOESN'T TIE THEM INTO A ROUTE. EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN MATT DO IN HALF, EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD Y'ALL SAY IN THAT BOX IS EMINENTLY DOABLE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A TUNNEL. SO. SO, JOHN, YOU DON'T WANT YOU'RE OKAY IF IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH MAY BE PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING SENTENCE OTHERWISE IN REGARD TO THAT. IN REGARD, THE RTC WILL GIVE PREFERENTIAL CONSIDERATION TO ANY PREFERRED ROUTE THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY. AND THEN IF WE WERE TO SAY WHICH MAY BE PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE COUNTY COUNTY TWO TIMES. SORRY, I WAS READING THAT SENTENCE JUST BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE HOW YOU WANT THE WORD NO, I JUST MEANT THEY ADDED, WHICH MAY BE PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY WHICH WAS PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY AND COUNTY. OKAY. YES. PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. INTERESTING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM YOU, COMMISSIONER STACY? NO, NO, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON 205, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST TRY TO COME TO A LOCALLY PREFERRED ROUTE, AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS THAT GET TO DETERMINE THIS, NOT JUST THE WHIPS AND WHIMS OF THE THE MONEY. THE RTC COMMITTED TO 205 IS STILL THERE. WHAT WE FOUND OUT THE OTHER DAY IS THE DISTRICT MOVED SOME FROM THE MIDDLE TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE THE SOUTH'S MOVING A LITTLE FASTER. AND BY SOUTH I MEAN FROM JOHN KING TO THE COUNTY LINE, FROM THE COUNTY LINE TO TERRELL, BECAUSE THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. SO WHAT I TOLD MICHAEL THAT HE SAID, GET, GET ME IN THE GAME SO WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM. YES. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOPEFULLY YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, I CAN SIT DOWN NOW, RIGHT. SURE. WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. WE NEED YOU. GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AWFUL LOT OF WRITING FOR NO QUESTIONS. WELL, I SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE. LOOK, I WANT TO GET THIS DONE TODAY. I DON'T WANT TO BE DEALING WITH IT AGAIN. SO IF EVERYBODY'S READY. IF THERE'S NO I'LL MAKE [02:05:08] I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SO THE ONLY CHANGE RIGHT NOW IS THE TWO THAT COMMISSIONER STACY IS HERE. MY NOTES IT SAYS ADD RECITALS. THAT ONE. BOTH PARTIES AGREED TO SPLIT THE OUTER LOOP INTO TWO PARTS. AND TWO, THE COUNTY HAS FULFILLED ITS OBLIGATIONS. THE RTC WILL. I'LL USE BETTER LANGUAGE THAN THIS, BUT MOVE TO MOVE 205 FORWARD. INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE SWITCH WITH 205 AS ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND JOHN KING. THAT'S WHAT MY NOTES SAY. AND THEN ON PARAGRAPH FOUR ON THE FOUR A THE ONE, TWO, THREE FOURTH LINE PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY PERIOD. HARD STOP. AND WE'RE LEAVING. THE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING JUDGMENT APPLIES IN IN B. YES. YEAH. ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT I THAT I SHOWED ON THIS WOULD WOULD REMAIN THE THAT WERE SHOWN IN THIS WOULD REMAIN THOSE WOULD BE THE CHANGES MADE FROM WHAT I CIRCULATED OR WAS CIRCULATED TO THE COURT. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE WERE IN THE TOWN HALL, I MADE THE COMMENT THAT I'M NOT SURE AS A POLICY MAKER WHERE I WOULD WANT TO GO WITH THE MOU. I MADE THE COMMENT OF, OF DO WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ADJUST THIS AFTER SPENDING FIVE HOURS WITH THESE FOLKS? I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY TO PARTICIPATE ON TERMS WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO WITH THOSE CHANGES, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IF WE DON'T, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A TECHNICALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. THAT'S JUST MY MY OPINION. AND IT'S GOING TO BE TEN FEET FROM PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE HAVE ANYTHING. SO I, AS MUCH AS I HAVE PUBLICLY HATED THE OUTER LOOP AND I DON'T LIKE WHERE IT'S GOING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PART, I THINK PUTTING OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND GIVING IT UP TO THE RTC OR TXDOT OR ANYONE TO DO IT WITHOUT US AT LEAST TRYING TO GET OUR HANDS DIRTY IS IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD, BUT ANY VOTE ON THE MOU, I JUST THERE'S SEVERAL MORE STEPS TO THIS, BUT I, I THINK AT THIS POINT I WANT TO TRY OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE ON 205. AND THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE OF WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS HIGHWAY. COMMISSIONER STACY, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS, AND AS I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS THAT ARE IN MY PRECINCT, THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, IT'S COMING ANYWAY, AND YOU CAN PARTICIPATE OR NOT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS EFFORT. AND IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS COMING ANYWAY, THE EASIEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO SAY NO AND JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT I DON'T THINK AGAIN, YOU SAY YOU USE THE TERM GETTING OUR HANDS DIRTY. I, I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS. WE GOT A JOB TO DO. AND I, I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING THROUGH THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR YEARS OF THIS ENGINEERING PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT DECISIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING AND THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH. AND IF IT'S RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, AS WE'VE SAID IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT OR A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M SORRY, THAT ARE VERY VOCAL ABOUT THIS. AND WE HAVE ONE GROUP, ANOTHER AREA THAT SAYS, YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU BUILD IT, THEY'RE, WE'RE HAPPY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET INTO THESE. THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE EASY DECISIONS. AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO EVERY ONE OF US. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR JOB IS. IT'S KIND OF WHY WE GOT VOTED INTO OFFICE, I THINK. SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORTS AND EVERYONE HERE. IT'S LIKE I MENTIONED TO THE HOA GROUP THAT WE ALL SPOKE TO LAST WEEK. I TOLD THEM, THERE'S NO ONE UP HERE. EXCUSE ME, WORKING AGAINST THE PEOPLE. WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ROUTES WE'RE TAKING AND DIFFERENT AVENUES. AND, AND YOU'VE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS, AND WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE YOUR EXPERTISE HERE. IT'S GOING TO SURPRISE NO ONE WHEN I SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. AND AND NOT THAT THIS ISN'T A GOOD APPROPRIATE ROUTE TO TAKE BECAUSE YOUR LOGIC IS SOLID. IT IS JUST MY STANCE [02:10:08] THAT ULTIMATELY, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHAT WE TRY TO NEGOTIATE, IN THE END, WE, WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH AN ENTITY THAT CAN TURN ON A KNOB, TURN OFF A KNOB AND STARVE US OUT AND FORCE COMPLIANCE. AND MY STANCE IS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIGHT, IT'S BEST EARLY ON. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IS THAT THE RIGHT PATH? I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I TRULY, I TRULY DON'T KNOW. WE EACH ALL HAVE OUR SECOND PATH AND I FULLY EXPECT THIS TO PASS. AND ME BEING THE THE DISSENTING VOTE, BUT IT'S A STANCE THAT I FEEL I HAVE TO TAKE JUST, JUST BASED ON, ON PRINCIPLE AND, AND ME NOT WANTING TO KNOCK OVER THAT FIRST DOMINO. BECAUSE ONCE WE DO, WE, WE LOSE THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL. SO THAT'S. THAT THAT THAT IS MY STANCE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE OUTER LOOP, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF ROCKWALL COUNTY, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED REVISIONS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS CIRCULATED, AND THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. ADDING RECITALS THAT RECOGNIZE THAT BOTH PARTIES. BY THAT I MEAN THE COUNTY AND THE RTC AGREED TO SPLIT THE OUTER LOOP INTO TWO PORTIONS AND ANOTHER RECITAL THAT WILL USE LANGUAGE TO THE EFFECT THAT WE HAVE. WE ARE THAT THE THE RTC WILL EXPEDITE TO THE TO EXTENT POSSIBLE WORK ON 205, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, SWITCHING IT FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION IN THE NORTH TO JOHN KING. OKAY. AND THEN A CHANGE THAT. THAT STOPS SECTION FOUR A ON THE FOURTH LINE, AFTER THE WORD BY THE COUNTY PUT A PERIOD THERE AND I. THAT'S MY MOTION. WE WE HAVE A LENGTHY MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, AND I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. AND IT PASSES 4 TO 1. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, [20. Discuss/Act on appointing the Rockwall County Representative to the Tex 21, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 20. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPOINTING THE ROCKWALL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TEXAS 21 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YES. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK. COMMISSIONER. GALENA AND I ARE MEETING WITH A LOT OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES AND A LOT OF THESE COMMITTEES WITHIN THE STATE GOVERNMENT. TRANSPORTATION IS REALLY BEING DOMINATED, I THINK, BY BY, BY FOUR AREAS. AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A FIFTH. THE FOUR AREAS ARE THE INTERNATIONAL BRIDGES GETTING FREIGHT FROM HOUSTON OUT OF TEXAS. THE MAJOR URBAN AREAS, AND THEN THE OIL AND WEST TEXAS. THEY ARE DOMINATING EVERYTHING THERE. EVERY COALITION, EVERYBODY. THAT'S ALL ANYONE IS TALKING ABOUT FOR TRANSPORTATION FUNDING IS HOW DO WE GET THOSE THINGS FUNDED? NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE SUBURBS. THEY'RE GETTING DROWNDED ON FM ROADS. SO I, I MET WITH DAVID DEAN AT TEX 21 AND I TOLD HIM, NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT MY PROBLEMS AND MY ISSUES ANYWHERE IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT. BOBBY AND I HAD AN HOUR AND A HALF CONVERSATION WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE EVEN ARTICULATING THE ISSUES WITH THE SUBURBS. AND BOBBY AND I WERE JUST SITTING THERE GIVING THEM THE ARTICULATION OF WHAT THESE PROBLEMS ARE AND HOW WE COULD FIX THEM AND WHAT IDEAS ARE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BECOME PART OF THAT CONVERSATION OF WHO IS ADVOCATING FOR THE HIGH FOR COUNTIES NEXT TO SUPER HIGH GROWTH URBAN AREAS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, TEX 21 ISN'T DOING IT. THE RTC, IN MY OPINION, ISN'T DOING IT. NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR THESE ISSUES THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY IS FACING. SO AFTER I WENT ON THAT TIRADE TO DAVID, HE SAID, WELL, WHY [02:15:02] DON'T YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE JUDGE KNEW WHO IS OUR CURRENT TECHNICAL. TECHNICALLY, OUR CURRENT CONTACT BECOME THE CONTACT AND TRY TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON COURT. SO THAT'S A VERY LONG WINDED WAY OF SAYING THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT A TEN YEAR PLAN FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY, WE HAVE 205. AND TXDOT HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO EVEN FUND THE UTP OUT TO THE 2050. AND SO IF WE DON'T START GETTING THINGS LIKE PROP SEVEN CHANGED, IF WE DON'T LOOK AT GETTING CREATIVE AND FINDING WAYS TO GET MONEY INTO THESE FM ROADS IN THE SUBURBS, WHETHER THAT BE TO ADD CATEGORICAL FUNDING AND DOING SOME SORT OF FORMULA FUNDING, WE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT NO ONE IS LOOKING AT IT. AND IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING ME BECAUSE IF THINGS STAY THE WAY THEY ARE, WE WILL GET 205 AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET LUCKY, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL GET ANOTHER ROAD ADDED IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND NO ONE IS FUNDING THESE FM ROADS. AND AND IT'S SYSTEMIC. IT'S IN IT'S IN EVERY COUNTY NEXT TO A HIGH GROWTH URBAN AREA. AND WE'RE THE SMALLEST CONTINGENCY. I JUST CAN'T IMPRESS THAT UPON EVERYONE ENOUGH. ALL OF WEST TEXAS IS UNITED THAT THEY NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. ALL OF SOUTHERN TEXAS IS UNITED ABOUT THIS INTERNATIONAL TRADE. ALL THE URBAN COUNTIES ARE UNITED ABOUT TRYING TO GET THEIR FORMULA, FUNDING GROWTH AND GET IT AWAY FROM CAT 12 AND TRY TO GET MORE FORMULA FUNDING INTO THE MPOS. NO ONE IS YELLING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ROCKWALL COUNTY BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE 12 COUNTIES WHERE THE SMALLEST GROUP OF PROBLEMS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. SO TEXT 21 A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS WILL THAT ELEVATE OUR STANCE IS TEXT 21 THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD YELL, WELL, THEY ARE THE CAUCUS HEAD OF TEXT. 21 IS TAN PARKER. GOT IT. GOT IT. SO THIS IS A STATE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, CORRECT? GOT IT. SO SOMEWHAT IT'S A THINK TANK ON TRANSPORTATION IN TEXAS. SO WE WERE A MEMBER OF THIS UP UNTIL LIKE A YEAR BEFORE THE THREE OF US TOOK OFFICE. AND IT WASN'T RENEWED FOR WHATEVER REASON. WHEN WHEN I DUG IN, THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING, BUT I CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER ANYTHING. AND YEAH, WE HAVEN'T PAID OUR DUES IN LIKE 4 OR 5 YEARS. YEAH, I THINK IT JUST GOT DROPPED. IT IS THE DUES, I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT'S $10,000, $10,000. OKAY, SO I'VE ALREADY APPROVED PAYING THE DUES. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I'M LIKE, WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS. AND SENT TO LISA AND SAID, YOU KNOW, PAY OUR DUES. I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANY BACK DUES, BUT LET'S JUST START GOING FORWARD. YEAH, IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S ABOUT ACCESS AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS. BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM. AND BEING ON THAT CALL WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE WAS VERY INTERESTING. I'LL SAY TO THE LEAST, PERMIAN BASIN IS A BIG I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A BIG TARGET FOR ROADS AND ANYTHING COMING OUT OF PORTS, HUGE, HUGE TARGET FOR ROADS. BUT THERE IS NOBODY CARRYING OUR WATER IN SMALL COMMUNITIES FOR FM ROADS. AND WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST NOT PART OF THE BIGGER CONVERSATION, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SEVERAL COUNTIES JUST LIKE US HAVING THESE VERY SAME ISSUES. AND IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE MOST OF US ARE PART OF COGS THAT WERE JUST SWALLOWED UP BY BIGGER METROPOLITAN AREAS. AND WE'RE KIND OF AN OFFSHOOT, AND WE'VE ACCEPTED THE RULES AS THEY WERE WRITTEN. RIGHT. AND SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE THIS MAY LEAD EVENTUALLY, AND I WON'T PUT THOSE ALL ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. BUT BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR COUNTIES LIKE US TO GET TOGETHER AND TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND TO ACT AS A COALITION TO GET SOMETHING DONE. AND IN TEXAS, 21 IS AN AVENUE, JUST AN AVENUE FOR THAT. GOT IT. COMMISSIONER GALLINA, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU OR COMMISSIONER STACY BE OUR COMMISSIONER STACY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WE PAY OUR DUES TO THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. 20. OH, I'M SORRY. 20 WELL, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT JOHN STACY AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TEXAS 21 AND THAT WE PAY OUR DUES. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MICHALIK. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL [21. Discuss/Act on the appointment of a Rockwall County Representative to the Surface Transportation Technical Committee (STTC), and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)] RIGHT. LET ME KNOW WHAT PAPERWORK I NEED TO SEND IN TO THEM. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21. DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE APPOINTMENT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE [02:20:02] SURFACE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, STC AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE PUT ERICA BRIDGES ON THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE. I DO BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD MOVE. I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICKING. I'M JUST I'M NOT HERE TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH BETWEEN MY FEELING ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT TO BRENDA OR ANY OF THE ITS TEAM. I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER THAT IS A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, AND IT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY TO HAVE HER AS THAT REPRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I MEAN, I MEAN YES, YES SORRY, YOU SAID THAT. COULD WE STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ITS OR WHOMEVER WE HAVE AS A AS A, AS A CONTRACTOR FOR US. AND THEY BOTH COULD BE A PART OF IT. WE ONLY GET ONE SEAT ON THAT TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE. BUT YES, YOU CAN COME UP. YEAH. SO I ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE THIS ACTION. AND A LOT OF US ARE ALREADY THERE FOR OTHER REASONS. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SIT NEXT TO HER FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND GET HER SEA LEGS UNDER HER. BUT YEAH, THEY WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE THERE. GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT THE COUNTY ENGINEER, ERICA BRIDGES, AS THE ROCKWALL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION EFFECTIVE, AND I WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. AND I'LL WORK WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE THERE'S A PROCESS BY WHICH WE NEED THAT MINUTE ORDER. AND THEN THE JUDGE NEEDS TO SEND SOMETHING TO A PARTICULAR PERSON, AND I'LL GET YOU ALL THAT SO THAT SHE CAN BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. GOT IT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. IF YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. CONGRATULATIONS, ERICA. I DON'T KNOW IF CONGRATULATIONS IS THE [22. Discuss/Act on updates of the Strategic Plan 2050 Implementation Management Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)] RIGHT WORD, BUT. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 22. DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER MITCHELL, THANK YOU. WELL, CAMI IS COMING UP, BUT JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE, CAMI AND I HAVE WORKED RECENTLY, PUT IN A LOT OF WORK LOOKING AT EVERYBODY'S YOUR, YOUR PROJECTS, YOUR INITIATIVES, YOUR GOALS. AND SHE'S WE'RE STILL LEARNING. I'M NOT EVEN AS FAR ALONG AS SHE IS USING THE SOFTWARE, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE SO THAT WE CAN LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO FLIP THE SWITCH. WELL, AS GOAL OWNERS, Y'ALL AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, ALONG WITH YOUR TEAMS IN ACCOMPLISHING A NUMBER OF OF YOUR TASKS AND INITIATIVES. AND THAT IS REFLECTED IN, IN VISIO. YOUR TEAMS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF INPUTTING THAT INFORMATION TO SHOW MOVEMENT IN THE TASK. AND I THINK IT WAS. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, YOU NOTED AT ONE POINT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A NUMBER OF COMPLETED TASKS AND A LOT OF PRODUCT PROGRESS, AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SHORT TERM GOALS THAT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON. AND ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME? I'M SMILING. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SHORT TERM GOALS THAT WELL, SUCH AS LIKE CREATING A PUBLIC DASHBOARD, WHICH OUR PIO HAS BEEN WORKING ON ALONG WITH IT, AND A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN UPDATING JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND, AND OUR COMPENSATION STUDY THAT WE JUST COMPLETED. AND THEN THERE'S SOME MID-TERM GOALS WHERE YOU WOULD SET YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND HOST A GROWTH SUMMIT. AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S GOALS FOUR AND FIVE THAT HAVE THE LONGER RANGE GOALS. SO I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE EDITED ON A DAILY BASIS BY ME AND YOUR TEAM MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. THE GOAL STILL IS TO GO LIVE TOMORROW BY THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS. BUSINESS, YOUR P I, O AND I.T DIRECTOR ARE PREPARED AND READY TO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, WHICH EVEN IF I DON'T FINISH IT BY THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TOMORROW AND IN VISIO, IT'S STILL. I FEEL CONFIDENT IN IT GOING LIVE TOMORROW UNLESS I HEAR YOU KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL ARE NOT READY FOR THAT, THEN WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, PUMP THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. IF THERE'S MORE YOU WANT ENTERED BEFORE TOMORROW. AND CAMI, CAN YOU CAN YOU GIVE THEM JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE EXPLANATION OF HOW WE LOOKED AT EL PASO'S YESTERDAY AND EL PASO IS IF YOU WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, EL PASO HAS A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE. THEY USE IN [02:25:04] VISIO SOFTWARE AS WELL. SO WE IT'S A IT'S A NICE TRANSITION. AND THE WAY IT APPEARS TO THE PUBLIC FROM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. YES. AND OUR ROCKWELL COUNTY'S PLATFORM WILL LOOK VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO EL PASO COUNTY'S, WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO THE HOME PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE AND CLICK ON STRATEGIC PLAN, AND IT'LL TAKE YOU DIRECTLY TO. THE SUMMARY, THE THE COURT'S SUMMARY OF WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS AND WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH. AND THEN YOU CAN CLICK ON EACH GOAL. AND THERE ARE VISUALS WITHIN EACH GOAL TO SHOW PROGRESS. SO BUT YES, EL PASO COUNTY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. AND ONE MORE DISCUSSION CAMI AND I HAD YESTERDAY IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THAT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE GOALS OR THE TASK WAS TO DO A PERSONNEL SALARY SURVEY. THAT'S THE WAY WE WORDED IT WHEN WE PUT THE PUT THIS TOGETHER. BUT REALLY, AS CAMI AND I TALKED THERE, THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE CHANGE OF A WORD IN THERE THAT THE COUNTY WILL WILL DO THIS. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY EVERY THREE YEARS, OKAY. OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE THAT IS, AND THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN THERE BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THREE YEARS SHE WILL HAVE DONE ANOTHER ONE AND WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT UPDATED, THAT, THAT DATA PERHAPS. YEAH, I PLAN TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE. I WAS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM YESTERDAY WITH THE, WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT I DO PLAN TO PUT A STATEMENT IN THERE SPECIFIC TO THAT, THAT IT WILL BE CONDUCTED EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS UNLESS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT REQUESTS IT BEFORE THAT. SO ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. [23. Discuss/Act on installation of Ten Commandments Monument and unveiling event Saturday, May 23, 2026, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)] APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 23. DISCUSS AND ACT ON INSTALLATION OF TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT AND UNVEILING EVENT. SATURDAY, MAY 23RD, 2026 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER LICHTY OH, HAPPY DAY. IT IS A HAPPY DAY. AS YOU ALL REMEMBER IN MAY OF 2025, THIS COURT. ALMOST A YEAR AGO, THIS COURT APPROVED PUTTING UP A MONUMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND ITS FOUNDATIONAL PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION, IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM. THE MONUMENT FUNDS HAVE BEEN RAISED FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE MONUMENT. IT'S BEEN PLANNED, IT'S BEEN DELIVERED, AND IS RIGHT NOW IN FINAL PROCESSING. WE'VE APPOINTED A COMMITTEE. AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, FOR WORKING ON THAT COMMITTEE. WE'VE APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE UNVEILING CEREMONY. THE DEDICATION CEREMONY. WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT DATES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND FELL ON MAY 23RD IS THE BEST DATE FOR THIS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, WHICH I'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WITH ANYBODY. I KNOW THAT IS A SATURDAY AND AT THAT TIME THE FARMER'S MARKET WILL BE GOING, BUT THEY'RE DONE BY NOON. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS GOING TO TALK WITH THE CITY ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT THE FOLKS, THE VENDORS THERE THAT DAY KNOW THAT IF THEY COULD CLEAR OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. THERE'S ALSO A CARRY LOAD EVENT THAT AFTERNOON THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS VERY INVOLVED IN, AND THAT STARTS AT 5:00. THIS WILL GO THERE WILL BE A VIP RECEPTION FROM. AT 2:00, THERE WILL BE A. THE UNVEILING CEREMONY WILL BE FROM 3 TO 4 MAY NOT LAST AN HOUR, BUT IT'LL BE SCHEDULED FOR 3 TO 4, WHICH SHOULD GIVE FOLKS TIME THAT WANT TO GO TO CARRY THE LOAD. WE STILL GOT A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON, AND THANKFUL TO THE COMMITTEE THAT'S DOING THAT TO NAIL DOWN THESE THINGS. ONE ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT YET IS LANDSCAPING. WE GOT TO BID, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN OR SENT TO EACH OF YOU FROM AGS. LANDSCAPING WAS SELECTED BY TODD WILLIAMS, OUR AG EXTENSION COORDINATOR, AND OUR MASTER GARDENER COORDINATOR. THAT IS, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON ALL THE THINGS THERE YET THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT THE MAXIMUM IT WOULD BE WOULD BE $10,420. AND FRANKLY, I WOULD LOVE TO GET INPUT FROM ANY OF YOU ALL BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THING. I'M JUST NOT THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO USE DECOMPOSED GRANITE AS A BASE AND LIKE OVER BY THE DISCOVERY STATUE. SO IT'LL MATCH THAT. SIMILARLY, WE GOT TO WORK ON EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS LEVELING THE GROUND THERE. THERE'S IF ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN, THERE'S A LITTLE AREA OUT THERE THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED AS TO WHERE THE MONUMENT WILL GO, BUT HOW DO WE WANT TO GET THE GROUND LEVEL [02:30:04] AGAIN? WOULD LOVE SOMEBODY'S INVOLVEMENT IN THAT, BUT THERE'S A TOTAL BID FOR LANDSCAPING OF $10,420. THERE'S CEREMONY CHARGES, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE ALL THAT MONEY INDIVIDUALLY. WE SENT OUT THE SOME SOCIAL MEDIA. I THINK IT'S CALLED SOCIAL MEDIA THINGS ALREADY. AND I. TO QUOTE KAMI, ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME? NO, NO. YOU'RE SMILING. JUST SMILING. SHE'S JUST SMILING, SMILING. AND AND MY WIFE, WHO IS ON THIS COMMITTEE, TOLD ME LAST NIGHT THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO DONATIONS FOR THE CEREMONY. SO IT'S STARTING TO CLICK. AND HOPEFULLY WE RAISE ALL THE MONEY FOR THAT WITHOUT HAVING THE COURT INVOLVED. I THINK THE COURT I THINK IT'S CONSIDERED THAT WE COULD, IF WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS LANDSCAPING, BECAUSE LANDSCAPING OF OUR GROUNDS, IT'S NOT PURCHASING THE MONUMENT. SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE DO THAT. BUT IF ANYONE FEELS DIFFERENTLY, LET ME KNOW. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCH A FABULOUS DAY. WE I WENT TO THE UNVEILING CEREMONY THEY HAD IN TARRANT COUNTY IN JANUARY, AND OURS IS MODELED LARGELY AFTER WHAT THEY ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY DID A GREAT JOB. AND IN A COUNTY WHERE, WHICH CERTAINLY HAS A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN OURS, BUT IT WAS VERY DIVIDED. THEY THEY PASSED THEIR MONUMENT RESOLUTION 3 TO 2 IN TARRANT COUNTY, AND TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULDN'T EVEN SHOW UP FOR THE UNVEILING CEREMONY. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DIVISIVENESS. BUT AS EVERYONE REMEMBERS, A YEAR AGO, WE HAD THIS COURTROOM FILLED WITH PEOPLE AND I THINK HAD OVER 30 PEOPLE SPEAK IN FAVOR OF GETTING THIS DONE. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COUNTY IS GOING TO EMBRACE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A VERY PACKED DAY THERE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME. SO I'M ASKING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVED THAT DATE, THE 23RD AND APPROVED PAYMENT OF LANDSCAPING CHARGES, AND GET THAT COMPLETED. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHAT IS AN OKLAHOMA SEAT? WELL, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I'LL TELL YOU A SEAT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE TOLD THEM TO DO. SO THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT MEANS. IF YOU'LL LOOK OUT BY THE DISCOVERY STATUTE. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU SHOULD BE KNOWING THIS. BUT IF YOU LOOK UP BY THE DISCOVERY STATUTE, THERE ARE THERE ARE TWO ROCK KIND OF BENCHES. SIT UPON ROCKS. SIT UPON ROCKS. YES. GOT IT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THEM. AND GOT IT. THAT ONE OF APPARENTLY ONE OF THOSE WILL COST $1,750. I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THIS IS AGAIN WHERE I'D LOVE TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE INVOLVED AND TO, TO, TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO DO IT. BUT I SAID, LET'S LOOK AT EVERYTHING WE MIGHT WANT TO DO AND THEN WE'LL GO BACKWARDS FROM THERE. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S ONE OF THOSE STONE BENCHES. GOT IT. OKAY, SO THIS IS A DECOMPOSED GRANITE, ESSENTIALLY WALKWAY, COUPLE STONE ROCKS TO SIT ON. THIS IS LANDSCAPE LIGHTING ON THE MONUMENT ITSELF. THIS IS REROUTING IRRIGATION. IT'LL BE THE LIGHTING WILL BE UP IN A TREE SHINING DOWN ON IT. AND IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, ALONG THIS SIDEWALK HERE, THERE'S BLACK HANDRAILS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF THE FIRST 2 OR 3 SECTIONS OF THAT, WHICH WILL OPEN UP THE MONUMENT AREA MORE. SO IT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS. GOT IT, GOT IT. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH, LIKE I SAY, TODD, AND ALSO WITH BARRY COMPTON. WONDERFUL. WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. SO THANK YOU. SO SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT AND UNVEILING EVENTS. SATURDAY, MAY 23RD, 2026, AND AUTHORIZE LANDSCAPING NOT TO EXCEED $11,000. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0, COMMISSIONER STACEY, I CAN'T. HOW HAPPY I AM THAT YOU MADE THAT. SINCE WE MAILED OUT INVITATIONS YESTERDAY AND TODAY. YEAH, IT'S GETTING QUITE A. SO WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BAD IF WE WOULD [24. Discuss/Act on approving Amendment No. 5 to the Department of State Health Services Cities Readiness Initiative (CRI) grant program, and all related issues; (Judge New – County Auditor)] HAVE MAILED OUT THOSE INVITATIONS AND NOT APPROVED THE DATE. I AGREE, I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. THIS TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 24. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES CITIES READINESS INITIATIVE GRANT, C, R I GRANT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET ARE OUR GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES. AND ESSENTIALLY THIS IS GIVING US [02:35:07] OUR DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUDGET. YOU KNOW, THEY ALLOCATE ESSENTIALLY $42,000 AND REQUIRE US TO PAY 10%. SO THIS IS IRONICALLY, I WAS TALKING ON AN UNRELATED MATTER RIGHT BEFORE COURT. THIS IS OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. IN LIEU OF A HEALTH DEPARTMENT, DSHS IS OUR THEY PROVIDE US AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST. THEY PROVIDE US REPORTS. THEY PROVIDE US THE AVENUES TO BE COMPLIANT AND AND DO SO IN A MANNER THAT WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO OURSELVES. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES, CITIES READINESS INITIATIVE GRANT PROGRAM. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCGUIRK. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM [25. Discuss/Act on approving the Order Adopting Facility Use Rules and Procedures for County Buildings in Rockwall County, Texas, approving the Facilities Use Agreement form, and approving the Facility Use Application form, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana – Commissioner Stacy)] 25. DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE ORDER FOR ADOPTING FACILITY USE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR COUNTY BUILDINGS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS. APPROVING THE FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT FORM AND APPROVING THE FACILITY USE APPLICATION FORM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONERS GALLINA AND STACY. YEAH. SO WE TOOK IN MOST OF WHAT THE COURT BROUGHT UP LAST TIME. I DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND I SPOKE ABOUT. THIS IS A MUCH. SO I BASICALLY TOOK THE RED LINE VERSION, MADE IT A VERSION, AND THEN THIS IS THIS IS SOME SECONDARY EDITS THAT ARE MINOR IN NATURE. I THINK WE FORGOT TO CHANGE. 4.2. THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT WE NEEDED TO STOP AFTER POLITICAL PERSUASION THAT WAS MISSED. WE HAVE A TYPO ON 4.7 WITHOUT ADDING THE WORD HOURS. IT JUST SAID TWO HOUR. AND THEN ON 5.3 WE ADDED LANGUAGE CONSISTENT WITH 4.1. THOSE. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES OTHER THAN THE RED LINE VERSION, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMPLETE. RED LINE VERSION. YES, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PERIOD THERE. THERE NEEDS TO BE. I WAS GOING TO JUST DO A WHOLE FULL RED LINE VERSION. I THOUGHT THAT'D BE TOO CONFUSING. SO I WENT AHEAD AND JUST THOSE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND I SPOKE ABOUT YESTERDAY THAT WERE JUST IT WAS JUST MISSED IN THE DISCUSSION. BUT ALL THE OTHER CHANGES WE. I FEEL LIKE WE ADDED JUST OF NOTE, WE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY BROUGHT UP A CHARGE FOR THE IT REHEARSAL. I DID NOT GET THAT ADDED I DON'T I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA. I DISAGREE WITH HIM ON THAT. THEN I TOOK OUT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE FOR PUBLIC RENTING. I THINK BOBBY KIND OF AGREES. HIM AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. WE KIND OF CONTROLLED THIS BUILDING, SO WE HAVE A METHOD OF DOING THAT. AND SO SO IT'S NOT THAT WE WON'T USE IT FOR PUBLIC NEEDS. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PARTICULAR USE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT BARRY OR SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH. THE, THE CALENDAR CALENDAR WILL BE KEPT UP BY US AND MEREDITH INTERNALLY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID. I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE RENTED THIS BUILDING AND CHARGED THE CONSORTIUM OR THE, THE ESC. AND MOST OF THE STUFF WE DO IS GOVERNMENT RELATED. SO THOSE WERE THE TWO MAJOR EDITS WE COULD ALWAYS ADD HISTORIC BACK IN IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COURT. BUT MY RED LINE VERSION HAS IT NOT IN THERE. GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE? YEAH. I GUESS THAT DOES BRING UP. I GUESS IT WOULD WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE 3.1 TO TAKE OUT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. YEP. COMMISSIONERS COURTROOM AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, BUT THAT'S THE THE REPORT. NO. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND COMMISSIONER GALLINA FOR FOR WORKING ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY, EASY THING GOING OVER ALL THE FACILITIES AND TRYING TO MAKE THEM MAKE SENSE AND COME UP WITH THE SYSTEM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COMMISSIONERS COURT. THEY CAN JUST FOLLOW THE RULES AND AND PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS. ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDER ADOPTING THE FACILITY. USE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR COUNTY BUILDINGS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, TEXAS. [02:40:04] APPROVING THE FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT FORM AND APPROVING THE FACILITY USE APPLICATION FORM. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MITCHELL. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. IT PASSES 5 [26. CONSENT AGENDA] TO 0. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS AGAIN FOR WORKING ON THAT. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 26. THE CONSENT AGENDA. JUDGE, I DON'T WANT TO PULL SOMETHING OFF, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, IF YOU PLEASE. NOW'S THE TIME. ITEM G, WHICH SHOWS UP AS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OR COMING FROM YOU. IT SAYS ACKNOWLEDGE REQUEST FOR UNCLAIMED PROPERTY CAPITAL CREDITS. AND I READ THROUGH THE MATERIALS AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY USE CAPITAL CREDITS TO DEVELOP AND ADMINISTER A PROGRAM, AND THEN LISTS MULTIPLE THINGS WE DO. I'VE I DON'T REMEMBER THIS EVER COMING HERE. IS THERE SOMETHING WE'VE DONE? NO IDEA. OKAY, GOOD. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE JUDGE WILL. WILL, CAN WE PUT THIS ON? SURE. YEAH, SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, I DIDN'T IT SEEMS ALL FINE. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVER COME UP. AND I WAS WONDERING IF I'VE JUST FORGOTTEN IT OR. NO, I DON'T RECALL IT EVER COMING UP BEFORE. OKAY. WELL, SO I THINK IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF WE DO EVER GET ONE OF THESE CREDITS, WE WOULD MAKE THE DECISION HOW TO USE IT. SO I JUST WAS ASKING A QUESTION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH H. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. I WILL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 [27. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS] TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 27. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. DISPOSITIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND DISPOSITIONS A THROUGH. I GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA, A SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. [28. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)] THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 28. NON EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS. JUDGE I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. NON EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER 2026-03. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. IF YOU'LL REGISTER [29. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)] YOUR VOTES PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 29. MISS MELISSA, THE APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND PAYROLL. THANK YOU. JUDGE. I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT. PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $533,453.74, AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. MOVE TO APPROVE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO THE COURT UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,685,872.42, AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. MOVE TO APPROVE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. I'LL. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. LASTLY, I'M SUBMITTING TO YOU THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR PAY PERIOD ENDING APRIL 11TH, 2026 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,208,819.94. AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN. I'LL. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. IT [30. EXECUTIVE SESSION] PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 30 EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING. TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. OR IN THIS ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE, IS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 551 OPEN MEETING SUBCHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY ON THOSE ITEMS. WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY CLIENT INFORMATION. NUMBER ONE DISCUSSION OF D.R. HORTON LITIGATION AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. NUMBER TWO, OPIOID LITIGATION, COMBINED SUBDIVISION PARTICIPATION AND RELEASE FORM UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE OPEN FIRE MARSHAL POSITION. DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT AND DUTIES OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.074 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND UNDER THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL NOTICE TO CURRENT RECIPIENTS OF CLARIFICATION REGARDING COUNTY DEFINITION FOR INDIGENT HEALTH CARE SERVICES. AND AT * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.