[A)	INVOCATION; Commissioner Bobby Gallana]
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          ABOUT THAT. IT'S 9 A.M. AND IT'S TIME TO START OUR ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING. I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO STAND WITH ME. COMMISSIONER GALLANT IS GOING TO SAY THE INVOCATION, AND I'LL GIVE THE PLEDGES. ALL RIGHT. Y'ALL PRAY WITH ME. LORD, WE COME TO YOU TODAY SEEKING YOUR SALVATION, YOUR WISDOM, AND YOUR LOVE. I ASK THAT YOU GIVE THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT BODY KEEN DISCERNMENT, WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN AND BOLDNESS TO ACT. I ASK THAT YOU CIRCLE OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN WITH YOUR PROTECTION, AND I SEEK PROTECTION IN FAVOR FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AS THEY DO THE BRAVE WORK OF SERVING AND PROTECTING ALL OF US. LORD, MOST OF ALL, I'M GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY WITH SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE OF FAITH. LET US SEEK TO SERVE YOU IN ALL WE DO. I PRAY IN YOUR HOLY NAME. 
          AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. FIRST TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS FLAG. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU ALL. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, JUDGE NEW IS NOT HERE. SO BEAR WITH ME AS I'M STILL LEARNING ON THE GO. AND WE HOPE THAT HE HAS A SAFE TRIP BACK AND WISH HIM THE VERY BEST. WE MISS HIM. OKAY, FIRST ITEM IS WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION 
          [a.	Proclamation recognizing May 2026 as Older Americans Month - Commissioner Liechty]
RECOGNIZING MAY AS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH AND I WILL READ THIS PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS MAY IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY AS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH, A TIME TO HONOR THE COUNTLESS CONTRIBUTIONS OF OLDER ADULTS, RAISE AWARENESS OF AGING RELATED ISSUES, AND REAFFIRM OUR DEDICATION TO SUPPORTING OLDER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS THE GROWING POPULATION OF OLDER, OLDER ADULTS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY ENRICHES OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THEIR STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND DIVERSE LIFE EXPERIENCES, AND ROCKWALL COUNTY IS COMMITTED TO CELEBRATING THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS, PROMOTING THEIR ENGAGEMENT, AND RECOGNIZING THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PURPOSE, GROWTH, AND CONNECTION THAT COME WITH AGING. AND WHEREAS, ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS MEALS ON WHEELS SENIOR SERVICES OF ROCKWALL COUNTY PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN ENSURING THE OLDER ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE SEEN, HEARD AND SUPPORTED, PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND RESOURCES THAT PROMOTE INDEPENDENCE, DIGNITY, AND ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY LIFE. AND WHEREAS, THE 2026 NATIONAL THEME FOR OLDER AMERICANS MONTH CHAMPION YOUR HEALTH RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF PREVENTION, WELLNESS, AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS CORNERSTONES OF HEALTHY AGING, ENCOURAGING INDIVIDUALS TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN MANAGING THEIR HEALTH, ACCESSING PREVENTIVE CARE, MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS, AND ADVOCATING FOR THEIR OVERALL WELL-BEING. NOW, THEREFORE, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY 2026 AS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT ENCOURAGED ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN RECOGNIZING THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR OLDER CITIZENS AND TO SUPPORT PROGRAMS, SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES THAT PROMOTE CONNECTION, INCLUSION AND WELL-BEING FOR OLDER ADULTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND IF MARGIE VERHAGEN WOULD COME UP HERE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE THIS TO HER. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU. FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT. YEAH. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? YES. I'D JUST SAY A COUPLE WORDS. COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. IT IS AN HONOR TO SERVE OUR SENIORS AND VETERANS, CAREGIVERS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE NEXT CHAPTER FOR MEALS ON WHEELS OF OUR SENIOR LIFE CENTER THAT IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW AT 1780 AIRPORT ROAD, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE SO MANY FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT. THANKS SO MUCH. AND WHEN JUDGE GETS BACK, I'LL TELL 
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HIM IT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE HE HAD THAT PRESENTED ON THE DAY WHEN I'M HERE AT THE DAIS. I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN. OKAY. PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ON ANY MATTERS. I HAD NOT RECEIVED NOTICE THAT ANYONE WANTS TO DO SO, BUT IF ANYONE DOES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RIGHT NOW. SEEING 
          [2.	Discuss/Act on approving Supplemental Agreement #4 between Rockwall County and HNTB Corporation for the FM552 project at an increased cost of $546,875.00, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON. ITEM NUMBER TWO DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. NUMBER FOUR BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND HNTB CORPORATION FOR THE FM 552 PROJECT AT AN INCREASED COST OF $546,875 AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER GALENA. 
          I'LL SWING IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS BRENDA CALLAWAY WITH BTS. THERE YOU GO. 
          THIS MORNING WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. NUMBER FOUR FOR THE FM 552 PROJECT. DURING THE TRIP. 21 PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, TEX-DOT ASKED US TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS AND BREAK IT INTO SMALLER SECTIONS. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS HNTB TO TAKE A COMPLETED PIECE SET AND CUT IT INTO THREE MORE MANAGEABLE SECTIONS, AT A COST OF 5000 $546,875. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BRENDA. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. BRENDA, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. AND WHEN I READ THIS, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS IF I READ THIS RIGHT, SUPPLEMENTING AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS DATED APRIL 27TH OF 2010. YES, SIR. 
          FOR THIS PROJECT. YES, SIR. OKAY. I OBVIOUSLY, SINCE EVERYONE HAS GOT THE SAME REACTION I DID, WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING ON THIS PROJECT. THE PSC IS COMPLETE. THEY'VE PURCHASED THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY'RE MOVING. UTILITIES AND UTILITIES ARE ALMOST COMPLETE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING IN A WAY TO FACILITATE THAT IS TO BREAK IT INTO THREE SMALLER SECTIONS. SO NOW WE DID ON THIS PROJECT, FIRST LOOK AT IT AND I'VE GOT JOSIAH HERE WITH HNTB. WE DID FIRST LOOK AT IT AS A SIX LANE DIVIDED FACILITY, BUT THE COMMUNITY, THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, DECIDED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT A SIX LANE FACILITY FOR FM. 552 SO THAT TOOK SOME TIME FOR US TO GO BACK TO COG AND GET IT CHANGED IN THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO GO FROM SIX LANES TO FOUR LANES. AND SO THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL TIME IN THERE BASED ON PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTED TO SEE ON THEIR ROADWAY. OKAY. WELL, I AS EVERYONE UP HERE, I'M SURE WOULD AGREE WITH ME, I TRUST THAT THIS SPLITTING IT INTO THREE PARTS WILL ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE AND GET IT MOVING QUICKER. AND IS IT SAFE TO SAY WE WERE DOING AS A COUNTY EVERYTHING WE CAN? YES, SIR, YES SIR. THAT WILL THAT WILL HELP US IDENTIFY THE SECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST. AND I THINK IT'S THE ONE DOWN THERE WHERE THE SCHOOL IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. AND THAT IS THE LOWEST PACKAGE THAT JOSIAH LOOKED AT SPLITTING IT INTO. SO THAT'S A 20 ABOUT A $24 MILLION PROJECT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER TO FIND 24 MILLION IF PROJECTS COME IN UNDER ONE TEX-DOT LET'S. OR IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING BECAUSE PROJECTS FALL OUT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND GO AND GRAB 24 MILLION THAN IT WOULD TO TRY TO GO AND GRAB, YOU KNOW, 104 MILLION. GREAT. YEAH. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BIGGER ISSUE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND GETTING ROADS BUILT AND IMPROVING OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION. SO I THINK THIS WILL SET US UP RIGHT. GET IT DONE. YES. I THINK THIS WILL SET US UP IN THE BEST POSITION POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER FOUR BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND HNTB CORPORATION FOR THE FM 552 PROJECT AT AN INCREASED COST OF $546,875. ALL RIGHT. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES FOUR TO NOTHING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
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THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. AND LET'S WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT 
          [3.	Discussion and presentation from Enterprise Fleet. and all related issues (Commissioner Gallana)]
HAPPENING. OKAY. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM THREE. DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION FROM ENTERPRISE FLEET COMMISSIONER GALENA. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A JORDAN HERE FROM ENTERPRISE FLEET. HE'S GOING TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THE USE OF ENTERPRISE FLEET IN SUPPLEMENT TO SOME OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE OWN OR IN PLACE OF. AND WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AFTER. 
          THERE YOU GO. JUST A SYNOPSIS, WHICH IS FINE. THANK YOU ALL TODAY FOR HAVING ME. A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF. MY NAME IS JORDAN, ORIGINALLY FROM FLORIDA, BROUGHT TO YOU IN TEXAS FROM EAST TEXAS A AND M COMMERCE, FORMERLY TEXAS A AND M COMMERCE. I LIKE THE NEW NAME BETTER MYSELF. LIVE OUT ACTUALLY IN ROYSE CITY, TEXAS WITH MY WIFE AND FOUR KIDS. SO I'M SPEAKING TO THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AND THE BRIDGE. I GET IT EVERY DAY COMING IN AND OUT OF DALLAS, BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT. MOST OF EVERYONE IN HERE HAS RENTED A CAR. AT ONE POINT, THEY RECOGNIZE THE ENTERPRISE LOGO OF WE'LL PICK YOU UP. BRIEF LITTLE HISTORY OF ENTERPRISE, BUT WE STARTED BACK IN 1957 UNDER JACK TAYLOR UNDER EXECUTIVE LEASING. SO FLEET MANAGEMENT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST BUSINESS LINE OF ENTERPRISE BEFORE WE MOVED INTO RENTAL CARS IN 69. BUT FAST FORWARD 2011, ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT IS BROKEN OFF AND MANAGING FLEETS OF VEHICLES FOR NOT ONLY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, BUT GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, SOME THAT YOU MAY KNOW TODAY. CITY OF FORT HUNT COUNTY, KAUFMAN COUNTY, CITY OF GREENVILLE ARE SOME CLOSE ONES NEARBY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEIR FLEETS TODAY. AND THAT ADVANTAGE IS FROM, YOU KNOW, THEIR PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, ANYTHING IN BETWEEN CARS, SUVS, TRUCKS, WE'RE ABLE TO HELP OUT WITH AND FACILITATE. COMING TO YOU TODAY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IMPLEMENTING A FLEET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO HELP OUT ROCKWELL COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO MANAGING THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE FLEET. TODAY, YOU GUYS HAVE A PACKET. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, SO I'LL JUST COME BACK UP AND PRESENT, GIVE YOU THIS IS A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT OUR PLAN AND PROPOSAL IS LOOKING AT A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF. KIND OF IN THE TOP RIGHT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CURRENT SITUATION. 
          CURRENTLY, ROCKWALL COUNTY HAS ABOUT 120 VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE MANAGING TODAY. TOTAL FLEET BUDGET ON AVERAGE FOR THAT FLEET TYPICALLY COMES AROUND $1 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY POLICE OUTFITTING COST, WHICH ON AVERAGE CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 30 TO $50,000, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO THE VEHICLES ON TOP OF YOU SAY, EXCUSE ME, SIR, WHEN YOU SAY THE FLEET BUDGET IS 1,000,066, DOES THAT INCLUDE PURCHASING OR JUST MAINTENANCE? THAT'S INCLUDING PURCHASING, MAINTENANCE AND FUELING THE VEHICLES IS WHERE WE ESTIMATE ON AVERAGE, THE COUNTY IS SITTING TODAY. YEP. TOTAL COST, BUT MINUS ANY OUTFITTING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. YES. CURRENTLY, AVERAGE ODOMETER IS AROUND 38,000 MILES, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE FOR COUNTIES IS THE VEHICLES AREN'T GOING TOO FAR. THEY'RE STAYING LOCAL IN THE COUNTIES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO OUT OF THE AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE MILEAGE IS ON IDLE TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE SITTING ON HIGHWAYS, KEEPING THE VEHICLES RUNNING FOR THEIR EQUIPMENT. ALL IN ALL, WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS THE TOTAL LIFECYCLE MANAGEMENT OF THE FLEET AND HOW WE CAN IMPACT THE BOTTOM LINE. AGAIN, HOW CAN WE REDUCE GOING OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND CAPITAL AND AND OBVIOUSLY, LEVERAGING THE FLEET, SPEAKING TO THE AVERAGE ODOMETER, ME AND YOU, WE ALL KNOW IF YOU COULD SELL A VEHICLE, FIVE YEAR OLD VEHICLE WITH 38,000 MILES ON IT, IT'S WORTH A PRETTY PENNY. BUT WHAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW IS THE DIFFICULTY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES HAVE IN SELLING VEHICLES, AND HOW LONG IT CAN TAKE BECAUSE OF DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AUCTIONS, ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN AWARDED THROUGH TIPS AND SOURCEWELL, THE ABILITY TO OFFER FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPEDITE AND LEVERAGE WHAT WE DO ON A RENTAL CAR SIDE, WHICH IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH AND KEEP THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE SEE IN GOVERNMENT SPACES, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY FOCUS IS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT TO MANAGE A FLEET. THE FLEET IS JUST TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT IN DOING THAT SERVICE. AND SO WHERE WE LEVERAGE OUR EXPERTISE INTO THAT. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT 
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YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN SELL THE USED VEHICLES FOR MORE THAN WE CAN AND REALIZE MORE, YOU YOU CAN LOWER OUR COSTS, CORRECT? BY FINDING THAT OPTIMAL LIFE CYCLE OF THE VEHICLE. BECAUSE EACH VEHICLE IS DIFFERENT, EACH CAR IS DIFFERENT THAN A POLICE VEHICLE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A PICKUP TRUCK, AND THERE'S OPTIMAL TIME FOR REPLACEMENTS FOR ANY OF THEM. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AND AS YOU SEE TODAY IN YOUR OWN COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL SPACES, VEHICLES HAVE GONE, THE COST OF VEHICLES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. AND HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT FUNDING? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE EITHER PAYING FOR A NEW ASSETS TO LOWER THAT COST, OR YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP PAYING TO FIX THE VEHICLES. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP INVESTING MONEY INTO VEHICLES THAT AREN'T WORTH ANYTHING. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE COME INTO PLAY TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT THERE. SO REALLY THE SHORT KIND OF THE KEY CONSIDERATION, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SHORTEN THE LIFE CYCLE. CURRENTLY, YOU GUYS ARE AT AN EIGHT YEAR REPLACEMENT STRATEGY. WHERE I COME WITH THAT FIGURE IS WE TAKE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN YOUR FLEET DIVIDED BY YOUR AVERAGE ANNUAL PURCHASES. AND SO THAT GIVES US IT TAKES YOU ABOUT EIGHT YEARS TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE FLEET YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS REPLACING 29 VEHICLES IN THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH WOULD HELP FREE UP CASH OF ABOUT $307,000 BY UNLOCKING THE EQUITY INTO THE FLEET AND BY IMPLEMENTING A NEW FLEET STRATEGY. GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SERVICES THAT WE CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT YOU'RE LEVERAGING TODAY OUTSIDE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, FUEL PRODUCTS. ALL IN ALL, TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT IN THE TOTAL FLEET. PRESIDENT, I WON'T BORE YOU WITH READING IT, BUT THERE'S SOME SAFETY FOR WHAT'S IN NEWER VEHICLES VERSUS SOME OF THE VEHICLES YOU HAVE IN YOUR FLEET TODAY TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THAT LEVERAGE THERE. BUT REALLY, WHAT WE THINK BY PARTNERING WITH ENTERPRISE IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS REDUCING YOUR OPEX EXPENSE BY 20% INCREASE IN THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OF THE FLEET AND HOW WE CAN HELP YOU OUT LONG TERM. AND SO THIS IS JUST A ROUGH DRAFT OF WHAT WE LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IMPENDING FLEET. THERE'S MORE PROCESSES THAN DUE DILIGENCE, WHERE WE SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT VEHICLES THEY NEED AND HOW WE CAN SPEC THOSE OUT AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE CAPABILITIES OF HALF TON TRUCK TODAY VERSUS BACK IN EARLY 2000 IS WAY DIFFERENT. SO HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT OVERALL? WHAT PERCENT DID YOU SAY TO REDUCE THE OP ED EXPENSE? IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 20%. 
          IS IT TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR OH, OKAY, PERFECT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY LIKE COUNTY OR CITY EXAMPLES, LIKE REAL LIFE EXAMPLES ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE OF SELLING THE VEHICLES? YES, WE ACTUALLY DO. I DON'T HAVE IT. THERE WAS ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT WASN'T ABLE TO GET ADDED ON HERE, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID ONE RECENTLY FOR HUNT COUNTY WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE AND PRESENTED TO THEM, THEY ACTUALLY. SO PRIOR TO PARTNERING WITH US, THEY WERE ON ABOUT A 15, 10 TO 15 YEAR CYCLE IN BETWEEN THERE. BUT BACK IN 2021, THEY BOUGHT A THREE QUARTER TON PICKUP TRUCK, CHEVY, AND IT WOULD COST THEM ABOUT 32. IT COST ABOUT $30,000, I THINK ALL IN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME BACK AND WHEN WE SOLD THAT VEHICLE IS THE RESALE OF ABOUT $31,000 OF THAT VEHICLE. OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING. USED CAR MARKET WENT THROUGH THE ROOF AND TODAY INFLATION, EVERYTHING. BUT THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT IN THAT FLEET IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO BUY THE VEHICLE AND SELL IT FOR MORE THAN WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PURCHASED IT FOR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A NEGATIVE TO THEIR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE ON THAT RESALE PIECE. AND BY REPLACING THAT VEHICLE OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THEY RAN IT TO VERY, VERY BARE MINIMUM OPEX EXPENDITURES AND FUEL EXPENDITURES AS WELL. AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE COURT. YEAH, THAT'S I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT GETTING OUT OF THE VEHICLES. YEAH. IT'S EASY TO THROW MONEY AND GET INTO VEHICLES, BUT ARE WE ACTUALLY SAVING MONEY WHEN WE SELL THEM AND GET OUT OF THEM? THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHO GETS TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT CARS WE BUY? IS IT IS IT YOU? IS IT SO DO WE GET WITH ENTERPRISE? AND YOU WOULD GO THROUGH AND KIND OF MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEN YOU WOULD PRETTY MUCH DETERMINE, BASED UPON WHAT YOU TOLD US, THIS IS THE VEHICLE WE'RE GOING TO BUY BECAUSE X, Y, AND Z. OR DO WE AS A COURT SAY, WELL, THESE ARE THE VEHICLES THAT WE WANT TO OUTFIT THE COUNTY. IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS. SO I THINK YOU SAID IT EARLIER. I'M TALKING TO SOMEBODY ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE AS A PARTNERSHIP. AND SO WHAT YOU GET IS A CLIENT STRATEGY MANAGER THAT ACTUALLY WILL MEET WITH YOU TWICE A YEAR TO REVIEW THE FLEET WITH YOU. SO NOT ONLY THE PLANNING OF THE FLEET FOR WHAT THE DURING YOUR COUNTY BUDGET TIMES, BUT ALSO WHAT, HOW THIS EXPENDITURES ARE GOING YEAR OVER YEAR. AND WE CAN COME OUT TO THE SAME COURT SETTINGS AND REVIEW THAT WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON PATH WITH. OUR PROJECTIONS ARE FOR THE FLEET. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S INCREASES OR DECREASES, WE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER. BUT NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE BUILDING A PLAN TOGETHER. WE COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR WHAT YEAR MAKE AND MODELS OF VEHICLES. SO JUST HALF TON TRUCKS IS THE MOST COMMON VEHICLE IN ALL GOVERNMENT FLEETS. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE BIG COMPETITORS RAM, FORD, CHEVY AND THEN WE'LL EVEN SNEAK IN THERE TOYOTA. BECAUSE 
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IF YOU BREAK IT OUT, WHAT WE CALL A TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP ANALYSIS, THE TOYOTA ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO BE A CHEAPER HOLDING COST FOR A GOVERNMENT ENTITY BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH BETTER THEY DO ON THE BACK END AND THE RESALE CHANNEL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE BRING TO THE FOREFRONT TO YOUR ABILITY IS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. IF YOUR COUNTY WANTS TO BE A CHEVY COUNTY OR A FORD COUNTY OR A RAM, BY ALL MEANS YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE LOWEST TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP ASSET YEAR OVER YEAR. AND THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHICH I'M SURE IS KIND OF READILY AVAILABLE, IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, LIKE HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY SPENDING ON FUEL MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE FLEET THAT WE COULD THEN GO, WELL, IF WE HAD ALL NEWER VEHICLES, WHAT WOULD THAT FUEL COST AVERAGE OUT TO BE? I MEAN, I WANT TO SEE SOME SOME REAL SAVINGS. AND SO WHAT I'M KIND OF GOING TO THAT IS IF I'M RUNNING A BUSINESS, IT MAKES SENSE TO LEASE EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN THE WRITE OFFS AND HOW YOU LEVERAGE ALL THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WHEN. BUT I DON'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE FULL BENEFIT FROM THE COUNTY SIDE. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE WRITE OFFS AND WE DON'T HAVE THIS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL WHEN OUR CASH FLOW MAKES SENSE TO BUY, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO SELL. WE'RE KIND OF IN CONTROL OF OF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND, YOU KNOW, HOLDING CARS FOR TEN YEARS, I THINK IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO TEN THAN EIGHT. YEAH. BUT IT JUST, IT'S JUST THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LOW MILEAGE CARS THAT AREN'T DOING A WHOLE LOT, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS. 
          I'M NOT IN THE CAR BUSINESS. NEVER BEEN IN THE CAR BUSINESS. IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO THINK HOW, OKAY, WE'LL GO IN AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE SET $1 MILLION FLEET BUDGET. I'M JUST USING A ROUND NUMBER, AND WE SPEND $1 MILLION EVERY YEAR ON ENTERPRISE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL TO LIKE HIT THAT NUMBER AND TO WORK WITHIN THAT NUMBER. BUT IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LEGISLATURE CHANGE OR THERE'S A CASH FLOW PROBLEM, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADAPT BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER A CONTRACT THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY. 
          THESE CARS AREN'T OUR CARS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO EXPEND. 
          THAT'S WHERE MY MIND CAN'T WRAP AROUND. HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WORKS IS TO GET OUT OF THE CARS. YEAH. AND SO THEN HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN GET OUT OF THE CARS? AND WHAT, WHAT OTHER COUNTY'S DONE? AND YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE POLICE PURSUIT VEHICLES AND THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE 100,090 $4,000 TO, TO PUT OUT THERE. AND THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO TURN AROUND AND STRIP THEM AND SELL THEM. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE, THE MECHANISMS THAT KEEP THE CASH FLOW TOGETHER. LIKE I SAID, IF WE WERE A BUSINESS, IT WOULD MAKE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. WE WOULD BE DOING THIS IN A HEARTBEAT BECAUSE WE COULD JUST WRITE IT ALL OFF AND WE GOT TO PAY TAXES ANYWAY. BUT WITH US BEING A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF BEING IN THIS WHEN I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OF WHEN WE BUY, HOW WE BUY, WHEN THE CASH FLOW IS STRETCHING CARS OUT. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST MAYBE IT'S AN ILLUSION OF CONTROL, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT HELPS US MANAGE THESE 120 CARS. AND THEN HOW MANY OF THESE 120 CARS ARE PURSUIT VEHICLES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A CAR THAT DRIVES, YOU KNOW, 150 MILES, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG CAN YOU STRETCH, YOU KNOW, A VEHICLE THAT BRINGS COMPUTERS FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, A TAHOE THAT IS IN ACTIVE PURSUITS? I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND GETS HUNG UP ON, ON HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY WORK? YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT EVERY COUNTY, CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE MET WITH HAS, IS WE'VE HAD CONTROL OVER IT AND WE CAN KEEP IT LONGER. AND YOU STILL DON'T LOSE THAT WITH US. I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. JUST BECAUSE YOU SIGN A FIVE YEAR LEASE FOR A VEHICLE, IF THAT VEHICLE IS DEEMED LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THIS LONGER BECAUSE X, Y, Z REASON BECAUSE OF BUDGET, BECAUSE IT'S PAID OFF. AND WE WANT TO ROLL THIS INTO THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU HAVE ALL FLEXIBILITY TO DO THOSE ITEMS. BUT ALSO ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED FROM COVID IS HOW THE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF VEHICLES SO EASILY WITH, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE MARKET, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, HOW WE STRUCTURE ALL THE VEHICLES IS OBVIOUSLY YOU GET ALL THE, THE RESALE VALUE OF THE VEHICLE, THERE'S NO MILEAGE, THERE'S NO WEAR AND TEAR FEES ON ANY OF THE ASSETS BECAUSE THE CASH, THE VEHICLE VALUE IS STILL TO THE COUNTIES AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR THOSE VEHICLES SELL. AND HOW WE LOOK AT DEPRECIATING THEM IS ON A WAY THAT MAKES SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS IN A POSITIVE POSITION. SO IF THE SITUATION COMES UP LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T NEED THESE TEN VEHICLES, WE CAN GET OUT OF THEM VERY EASILY. AND USUALLY IT'S WITHIN A POSITIVE NET CASH FLOW TO THE, THE COUNTY AND THE SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE GETTING MONEY BACK IN THOSE SITUATIONS. AND SO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE DO HAVE A FULL FINANCIAL MODEL ANALYSIS THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER. WE CAN DRILL INTO THE NUMBERS OF WHERE YOUR MAINTENANCE AND FUEL IS TODAY TO SHOW KIND OF WHERE THAT BOTTOM LINE IMPACT WOULD BE. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF MY SIMILAR QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER STACEY TALKED ABOUT. BUT IS THERE DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOME TYPE OF A FOR BETTER WORDS? IT'S LIKE A SWEET SPOT OF GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, 
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COUNTIES IN THIS IN THIS CASE, THAT THERE IS A A FORMULA THAT THAT'S A KIND OF A BEST PRACTICE THAT WOULD WORK FOR A COUNTY OUR SIZE WITH THE TYPE OF VEHICLES WE HAVE. OR DO YOU WORK WITH A LOT OF THE LARGER COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, THE DALLAS OR TARRANT COUNTY THAT COLLIN THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE LARGER FLEETS THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY MORE IN THE MID TIER, SIMILAR TO Y'ALL. LIKE I SAID, HUNT COUNTY, KAUFMAN COUNTY, THEY'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH US FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. CITY OF GREENVILLE, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR SIZE FLEET TO Y'ALL TODAY. I THINK TO THE POINT OF A SWEET SPOT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE GOING BACK TO THE POINT, IF THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEETING WITH YOU ANNUALLY, BECAUSE THAT SWEET SPOT CHANGES YEAR OVER YEAR WITH EACH VEHICLE AND EACH ASSET FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE TO YOU. HEY, BY DOING THIS VEHICLE HERE, YOU HAVE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING OUT OF IT EARLIER. AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE X, Y, Z REASONS WHY, BECAUSE YOU HAD $1,000 PAYMENT JUST FOR A ROUND NUMBER, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DROP TO A $700 PAYMENT BY LEVERAGING THE RESALE OF THAT VEHICLE, WHICH AT THE END OF THE DAY, WILL LOWER THAT TARGET LINE TO WHAT STACY WAS TALKING ABOUT. FINDING THAT SWEET SPOT. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE COURT, IF THAT'S OKAY. OUR OUR AVERAGE TURNAROUND THOUGH, ON OUR ON OUR POLICE, AS YOU CALL THEM, THE POLICE VEHICLES THAT THAT'S LESS THAN EIGHT YEARS. ISN'T THAT ABOUT FOUR YEARS? AND I KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S IN HERE, BUT IS THAT ABOUT FOUR YEARS THAT WE'RE TURNING THOSE AROUND? AND THAT'S KIND OF BEING ACTIVELY MANAGED BY BY CAPTAIN BROWN RIGHT NOW TRYING TO TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS EXACTLY. BUT I MEAN, ONCE AFTER ABOUT THREE YEARS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP THAT CAR IN PURSUIT BECAUSE OF THE MILEAGE, THE IDLE TIME AND WHAT HAPPENS. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, WHERE THE ISSUE IS. SO THEN YOU TRY TO CYCLE THEM OUT AND IN AS FAR AS IS IT BEING USED FOR PURSUIT, IS IT BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE I HEAR THAT THAT ENTERPRISE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE COUNTY MORE MONEY THAN MAYBE WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE TRY TO TAKE IT OUT. YEAH, IT'S LEVERAGING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THAT AND FINDING THE OPTIMAL SWEET SPOT, LEVERAGING PARTNERSHIPS FROM OTHER OUTFITTERS PURSUERS. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S MULTITUDE OF PURSUIT VEHICLES OUT THERE NOWADAYS, FROM THE TAHOES TO INTERCEPTORS, RAM THE TRUCKS. SO MOST OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP LEVERAGE THAT AND FIND NEW WAYS OF RESELLING THEM. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU HAVE A FLEET ANALYSIS AND I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHAT GENERIC BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T THERE'S NO SPECIFICS, REALLY TOO MANY SPECIFICS. BUT IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE FLEET ANALYSIS, THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME BETTER INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING. IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. ON THE LAST PAGE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GO THROUGH. IT IS A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY, OBVIOUSLY, THAN, THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN USED TO FOR A VERY LONG TIME HERE. BUT IT, IT IS ABOUT TAKING YOUR HANDS OFF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FLEET. I MEAN, BESIDES. YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE FROM BEING AT ENTERPRISE FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES, WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF EXPERIENCE MANAGING FLEET. IT'S IT'S SOMEBODY'S SECOND JOB. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. REMEMBER THAT. AND REMEMBER HOW HARD IT IS FOR US TO SELL VEHICLES EVERY TIME WE COME OFF A VEHICLE, ESPECIALLY ON A LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE, MAN, THEY SIT FOREVER. THEY SIT THERE AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN LINE TO GET STRIPPED. AND EVEN WHEN WE BUY NEW ONES, THEY SIT IN THE PARKING LOT FOREVER TO GO GET OUTFITTED BECAUSE WE'RE IN LINE WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER AGENCIES TO TRY TO GET THESE CARS OUTFITTED. WELL, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT CAR WHILE IT SITS. IT'S NOT FREE WHILE IT SITS THERE. AND SO WHAT I WHAT I AM TRYING TO INVESTIGATE IS WHETHER SHIFTING TO A MODEL, WHETHER IT'S A HYBRID OR FULLY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SAVES US THOSE HOLDING COSTS, ALLOWS US TO DISPOSE OF VEHICLES AT A RATE THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GETTING TODAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LEAVING A LOT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE IN AUCTIONS WHERE WE HAVE TO SELL VEHICLES. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SELL THEM THROUGH AN AUCTION BECAUSE ENTERPRISE IS MANAGING IT, AND THEY CAN USE THEIR RESALE MARKETS TO GET THESE VEHICLES OUT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY ON THE BACK END ON THIS AND REALLY HELP OUR CASH FLOW. LET ME ASK SOMETHING. SO WHEN WE WERE TO OUTFIT OUR PURSUIT VEHICLES, ARE YOU SO IS ARE YOU GOING TO OUTFIT THIS ENTERPRISE OUTFIT THOSE BEFORE THEY DELIVER? OR DO WE HAVE TO TAKE DELIVERY AND THEN GO OUTFIT THE PURSUIT VEHICLE? HOW DOES THAT WORK TYPICALLY. SO TODAY WE WOULD GET THE VEHICLE ORDERED. 
          SO LET'S SAY IT'S A POLICE TAHOE. ONCE IT GETS DELIVERED TO A LOCAL DEALERSHIP NEARBY, WE WOULD GET THAT VEHICLE DROPPED OFF TO YOUR NEAREST OUTFITTER. AND THEN FROM THERE, THE OUTFITTING WOULD BE WORKING THROUGH YOU. OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT, MAYBE LEVERAGING US, HELPING PAY A LITTLE BIT ON, WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT POTENTIALLY, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD JUST HELP YOU DELIVER THE VEHICLE TO THE 
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OUTFITTER TODAY, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND OF GETTING OUTFITTED. WHAT WE DO IS MEET WITH YOU OBVIOUSLY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GET 20 VEHICLES, MAKING SURE THAT THE SHERIFF SPEAKS WITH THE OUTFITTER. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR EXPERIENCE IS IN THE INTERIM, THERE'S SOME CHANGES FROM THE VEHICLE ACTUALLY BEING COMPLETELY OUTFITTED TO NOT. SO THAT CHANGES THE COST OF THEM GOING UP AND DOWN. SO THAT'S WHERE WE TRY TO KIND OF GET OUR HANDS OUT OF IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE MIDDLEMAN OF THAT CONVERSATION. AND THEN YOU ALL COME TO US. SO WHY DID THE PRICE GO UP? AND IT'S LIKE THEY WANTED SOME OF THE CHANGES. AND THEN SO WHAT HAPPENS ON THE BACK END OF THOSE PURSUIT VEHICLES? THEN IF THEY HAVE GOT TO BE STRIPPED, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN DISPOSE OF THE VEHICLE, UNLESS WE HAVE SOLD IT COMPLETELY OUTFITTED TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ENTITY THAT CAN USE IT THAT WAY. SO WE CAN PICK THE ASSETS UP. WE TAKE WE CAN TAKE THEM TO A STRIP PROFESSIONAL STRIPPER, OR THE AUCTIONS SOMETIMES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE AS WELL, DEPENDING UPON THE AUCTION AND GET THAT KIND OF EXPEDITED PROCESS. I KNOW SOME GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, THEN THEY GOT TO FIND THE TITLES AND THEY HAVE TO PUT POST IT TO THE AUCTION SITE. THEN THEY HAVE TO HOPE THAT THEY'RE GETTING FAIR MARKET FOR IT, WHEREAS WE HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VEHICLES ARE GETTING THE RIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR WHAT THEY DESERVE TO BE. SO WHILE IT'S WAITING IN LINE, ARE WE STILL WHO WHO OWNS? ARE WE STILL LEASING THE VEHICLE AT THAT POINT WHILE IT'S WAITING IN LINE? OR ONCE YOU TAKE IT TO THE OUTFITTER WHO AT THE END OF ITS CYCLE HERE, WHO'S WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THE VEHICLE, THEN ONCE YOU DEEM, ONCE YOU NOTIFY, SAY, HEY, VEHICLE 55 IS DONE WITH ITS PURPOSE. THE BILL IS STOPPED FOR THAT LEASED ASSET. YOU LET US KNOW WHERE IT'S AT TO PICK IT UP. WE'LL GO PICK UP THAT VEHICLE AND THEN WE SELL IT. WE START THAT SELLING PROCESS TYPICALLY TURNAROUND TIMES 20 TO 30 DAYS FROM PICKUP TO CHECK. ANYTHING ELSE. FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. IT'S THE KIND OF THING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS OTHER WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. A LOT OF THIS SOUNDS REALLY GOOD TO ME. A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ONE THAT. I'LL TRY AND FRAME THE WAY I THINK AND ASK YOU IS IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS A LONG TERM DECISION, BECAUSE IF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GET RID OF ALL THE CARS WE SELL, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO START LEASING OUR ENTIRE FLEET, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE EVER WANTED TO GET OUT OF LEASING SITUATION, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO HOW WE GOT INTO IT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD ESCALATE INTO A FULL LEASING ARRANGEMENT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEESCALATE FROM THAT OVER TIME. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY YOU COULD DO IT INSTANTLY OR IN A YEAR. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD EXPECT. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. IT'S GREAT PRESENTATION, BUT I, I ASSUME, LISA, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING IF WE DECIDED TO GO THIS ROUTE, WE'D HAVE TO DO AN RFQ AND THERE WOULD BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT TO BID ON THIS. WE JUST DON'T GET TO PICK A BID OR PICK A COMPANY, DO WE? WELL, THEY HAVE SOURCE. WELL, YEAH. WE'RE AWARDED BIDS THROUGH TIPS AND SOURCE. WELL YEAH. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A IT'S CONSIDERED COMPETITIVE. YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT BLESSED BY THE STATE. SO THIS IS THE BEST DEAL ACCORDING TO THE STATE WHICH WE'VE FOUND IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST DEAL. IF YOU GO TO THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR TIPS WEBSITE, IT DOES HAVE IT RANKED. I THINK THERE'S LIKE 6 OR 7 LITTLE CATEGORIES. AND WE DO RANK AT THE TOP FOR THE FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES BECAUSE OF OUR OFFERINGS. SO THE PRICING IS ALL YOUR PRICING IS ALL SET. THREE BUT DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BIDDING PROCESS? I'M SORRY. SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO KEEP ME QUIET OVER HERE. I'M THAT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW. HOW THAT WOULD WOULD FALL INTO IT. MY QUESTION TO ENTERPRISES WHO OWNS THE VEHICLE? SO ALL THE VEHICLES ARE TITLED UNDER FM TRUCKS BECAUSE WE ARE FM TRUSTS, BECAUSE WE HANDLE ALL THE REGISTRATION RENEWALS FOR THE VEHICLES GOING FORWARD. BUT YOU OWN THE WHOLE CASH VALUE OF THE ASSET. SO TYPICALLY, I KNOW CITIES AND COUNTIES DEPRECIATE THE ASSETS OVER FIVE YEARS ACCORDING TO THEIR STATEMENTS. SO YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO DO ALL THE SAME THINGS TODAY. OKAY. 
          AND YOU PURCHASED THEM HOW FROM A SOURCE. WELL, SO WE LEVERAGE THE SOURCE WELL TIPS CONTRACT SO WE CAN PURCHASE THEM ON THE COUNTY'S BEHALF THROUGH WHATEVER MANUFACTURER YOU GUYS ARE UTILIZING. WE FACTORY ORDERED DIRECT FROM FORD, CHEVY OR RAM SO WE CAN SPEC THE VEHICLES OUT TO GET THE EXACT VEHICLE OPTIONS THAT YOU NEED ON THEM. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS VERSUS GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BUY BOARDS WHERE YOU KIND OF LEFT TO WHATEVER IS ON THE TABLE FOR THOSE VEHICLES, WHICH CAN BE HIGHER TRIM OR SOME OPTIONS YOU DON'T NEED, 
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BUT THAT'S HOW WE'LL PURCHASE THEM. SO THIS CAME IN FRONT OF THE PREVIOUS COURT ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND THE ISSUE CAME UP WAS THAT HOWELL WAS A CORPORATION GOING AND PURCHASING UNDER A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING WHEN THEY WEREN'T A GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF STALLED OUT THE LAST TIME. AND LEGAL AT THE TIME AGREED THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY COULD COULD PARTICIPATE IN. BECAUSE YOU WERE USING OUR NAME TO BUY SOMETHING. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE NOW. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT. YEAH. AS ONE OF THE ASPECTS FOR YOU ALL TO RESEARCH, WHETHER IT'S. YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE CONTRACTING THIS WITH OTHER COUNTIES, SO THERE MUST BE A WAY TO DO IT. SO TO ME, IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS AND CENTS DECISION OVER THE LONG TERM. AND YOU PROBABLY ARE THE BEST. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LISTED IN SOURCEWELL MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO BID IT OR FRANKLY DON'T WANT TO BID IT. SO I DON'T KNOW. COMMISSIONER GALLINA, I TO ME AGAIN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. AND THE THE NEXT STEP SEEMS TO BE FOR YOU TO DO SOME MORE WORK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO TO BRING IT BACK TO WHERE WE MAKE A DECISION. YEP. THIS IS JUST INITIAL. AND I THINK IN PART OF THAT, THAT WORK, I THINK WILL, YOU KNOW, LISA AND I MAY CALL A COUPLE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES AND GET ON A CALL AND AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD BEFORE AND SEE, SEE WHAT THEIR PATH WAS. AND THAT'LL THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR US ON A COUPLE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF CLEAR BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS OUT. WHEN A VEHICLE IS DAMAGED. SO TELL ME THE PROCESS LIKE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE JUST HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF VEHICLES HAIL DAMAGED. AND I KNOW THAT ENTERPRISE DEALS WITH HAIL ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES FROM THAT HAPPENING TO ME. SO BUT OTHER DAMAGES WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHO'S LIKE COSTS WHEN DAMAGE HAPPENS PROCESS. YEAH. SO IF VEHICLES DAMAGE WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY, YOU WOULD LEVERAGE YOUR INSURANCE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THE ASSET, GREAT. IF NOT, YOU CAN KEEP DRIVING IT. IF IT'S DEEMED USABLE AND OBVIOUSLY NOT A SAFETY RISK TO THE PERSON OPERATING IT. WHERE WE COME INTO PLAY TO HELP YOU OUT, WHICH IS WHERE IT'S A BIG HELP IS IF A VEHICLE GETS TOTALED OUT IS THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN. AND WE WILL ACTUALLY HELP AND NEGOTIATE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE FULL VALUE OF THAT ASSET. EXAMPLE, THE POLICE, A POLICE VEHICLE, LIKE WE MENTIONED, IT WAS AROUND $100,000. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE IS ACCOUNTED FOR INTO THAT LOSS HISTORY, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ACTUALLY GET THE CASH BACK FOR THE OFFSETTING BALANCE OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH HELPS YOU GUYS OUT TOO. SO IF YOU OWED $70,000 ON THE VEHICLE AND YOU GOT A CHECK FOR 60,000 BECAUSE WE FOUGHT FOR IT, THEN YOU'RE DEALT A DIFFERENCE. YOU ONLY, OH, IS THAT $10,000 TO PAY IT OFF THE NOTE? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JORDAN? AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND DOING THIS PRESENTATION. VERY EDUCATIONAL. THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. ARE WE SKIPPING ITEM FOUR? YEAH. OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS AN ADVENTURE WHEN I SIT IN THIS ITEM FOR. IT'S ALWAYS AN ADVENTURE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM FOUR. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. SORRY. 
          [4.	Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project. and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]
NO, I NEED ALL THE HELP I CAN GET. MAN. ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT AND UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE, COURTROOM ADDITIONS AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. AGAIN, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, COME ON UP. SAL, YOU'RE ALREADY HERE. HOW AM I GOING TO PLAY YOUR WALK UP MUSIC IF YOU'RE ALREADY UP HERE? YEAH, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT. 
          I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT. ONLY. YEAH. ONLY UPDATES. WE HAVE NICE SHIRT LIKE THAT. COLOR LOOKS GREAT ON YOU. YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS JUST BEEN A FUN FIRST MINUTE UP HERE. SO THE ONLY UPDATES WE HAVE, FINAL OWNER CHANGE ORDER HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND SIGNED. THAT IS REALLY JUST RELEASING THE LAST OF THE MONEY TO THE COUNTY THROUGH THE CONTRACT. SO KIND OF CLOSES OUT OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THIS FINAL PERHAPS HAVE ALSO BEEN SIGNED AND SENT BACK AS WELL. THE ONLY TWO LINGERING ITEMS RIGHT NOW ARE THE CONSTRUCTION AUDIT. ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE AUDITOR AT THIS POINT. WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT, THAT FINAL DATE OF THE AUDIT RESPONSE TO COME BACK. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM LEFT IS THE DAY TWO FURNITURE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE PRETTY SOON. THE SHIPPING DATE WAS SUPPOSED 
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TO BE ON THE NINTH, AND THE INSTALL DATE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AROUND THE 14TH, BUT I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM JUST YET. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY TWO ITEMS LEFT THOUGH, FOR THIS. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHEN WE COMMENCE THE CONSTRUCTION AUDIT, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN? DO YOU REMEMBER EITHER ONE OF YOU REMEMBER JUST IT'S BEEN PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH. A MONTH. WE JUST GOT ALL THE FILES TO THEM LAST WEEK FROM THE CONTRACTOR, SO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REALLY START UNTIL WE GOT ALL THOSE FILES IN THEIR HANDS. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD EXPECT ANOTHER, I WOULD ASSUME AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO FOUR WEEKS IS WHAT I WOULD ASSUME. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER? THANKS. THANK YOU 
          [5.	Discuss/Act on the Sheriffs remodel project. and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
SO MUCH. OKAY. NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT OUR DISPATCH CENTER HAS BEEN TEMPORARILY RELOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDING. IT WAS QUITE THE EFFORT. I DO WANT TO THANK SOME PEOPLE THAT WORKED SUPER DILIGENTLY ON THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, CAPTAIN BROWN, LIEUTENANT MANNING, AND THEN STEPHANIE, OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, JUST OVERSEEING ALL OF THAT. WE ALSO HAD TWO PEOPLE FROM ARLINGTON THAT WAS TAKING CALLS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO SHUT OUR DISPATCH CENTER DOWN. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD BRIER AND ANGIE FROM ARLINGTON THAT STEPPED IN AND TOOK CALLS. WHILE WE DID THE TRANSITION. WE HAD SOME VERY MALLEABLE EMPLOYEES IN SIERRA MARIETTA AND SAVANNAH WHO WERE ACTUALLY WORKING OUR DISPATCH CENTER WHEN IT GOES ON, AND THEN IT GOES OFF, AND THEN IT COMES BACK ON AS WE MOVE IT. THEN WE HAD SEBASTIAN AND JOE AND I T AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAD BARRY, ROBERT AND JAMES AND MAINTENANCE THAT HAD TO PHYSICALLY PICK STUFF UP AND MOVE IT FROM ONE ROOM TO THE OTHER. SO OUR DISPATCH CENTER IS FULLY OPERATIONAL IN ITS TEMPORARY LOCATION, AND THAT IS SETTING US UP WELL, FOR EVIDENCE TO BE MOVED AND DEMOED TO START AROUND JUNE 15TH IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE FIRST BIG THING. EVIDENCE IS THE SECOND BIG THING. SO IT WAS A PRETTY BIG HURDLE. AND THEN THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PCO COMING UP, BUT I WAS GOING TO HAVE SAL KIND OF STEP UP AND AND START KIND OF THE NEW NORMAL OF HOW WE WANT TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION GOING FORWARD. NOW THAT THE PARK HILL IS KIND OF TAKEN OVER SOME OWNERSHIPS DUTIES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO SAL. YEAH. SO ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE READY TO GO TO ITEM SIX? NO, WE'RE STILL ON ITEM FIVE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, NOT QUITE YET. SO YEAH, I GET LIKE COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, WE'VE KIND OF WE'RE STARTING KIND OF A NEW PART OF THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT WHERE PREVIOUS OWNERS REPS NOT THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COURT ONE TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE THROUGH EMAIL OR PHONE. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU EVER NEED OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M OPEN AND THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE HOW THE PROJECT STATUS IS GOING. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS TO BUDGET OR FINISH DATE AGAIN, JUST MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE. I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH THAT. THE SECOND PART IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE DURING THESE MEETINGS. DURING THESE UPDATES, I CAN BE AS OPEN OR CLOSED AS AS THE COURT WANTS. 
          SO I THINK WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THE THIRD FLOOR, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT CLOSES HIDING INFORMATION. I MEAN IS BEING HIGH LEVEL. SO I CAN BE AS WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH IS REALLY JUST A VERBAL, HEY, HERE'S OUR OPEN PCOS, HERE'S OUR GENERAL STATUS, HERE'S THE BIG THINGS WE'VE UPDATED. OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A PHYSICAL KIND OF PRESENTATION THAT I'LL GO THROUGH WITH PHOTOS AND LINE ITEMS OF EACH DIFFERENT CHANGE THAT WE'VE HAD OR ARE ANTICIPATING. SO I'M JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT INFORMATION YOU NEED FROM ME FOR THESE UPDATES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DURING COMMISSIONERS COURT. SO JUST OPEN FOR YOUR INPUT. YEAH, SAL, I PREFER HOW YOU'VE HANDLED THE THIRD FLOOR. I THOUGHT YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE YOUR, YOUR METHOD OF OPERATION THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. OKAY. IT'S MY OPINION AND I LIKE THAT TOO. 
          BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, A LITTLE SHOW AND TELL WITH SOME PICTURES MIGHT JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP US, KEEP US ON THE IN THE KNOW TO AND FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER HERE OR WATCHING ONLINE. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WANTED HIM TO OPEN IT UP IS TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COURT WANTED TO SEE. I'M VERY UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT. I'M SURE YOU ARE. WELL, I'D AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GALANTE. YOU'VE. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS GOOD. SO PERFECT. WELL, I'LL MAKE IT A POINT MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS TO HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH SOME PHOTOS FOR SOME UPDATES OR ONCE WE GET THROUGH SOME MILESTONES. BUT IF NOT, I'LL JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU THE VERBAL RUNDOWN. AND IF AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, JUST FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME THROUGH EMAIL OR PHONE. THANK YOU SAL, AND DON'T GO FAR FOR THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY. WITH THAT? UNLESS THERE'S 
          [6.	Discuss/Act on approving Prime Contract Change Order Nos. 031 to the agreement with SCI Construction for the Rockwall County Sheriff Office Renovation project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]
OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM SIX, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT APPROVING PRIME 
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CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 31 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH CI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT. YEAH. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A MULTIFACETED CHANGE ORDER. SO I CREATED A POWERPOINT. SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IS AFTER WE OPENED UP PHASE TWO, THIS IS ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE PICKED UP ARCHITECTURALLY AND OTHERWISE THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THEM. NUMBER ITEM NUMBER ONE IS BECAUSE WHEN WE SEPARATED OUT DISPATCH AND EVIDENCE FROM THE PROJECT, IT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL WORK. SO WE HAVE TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE UP ABOUT A MONTH OF CONSTRUCTION TIME OR MORE. THAT'S CLOSER TO SIX TO 6 TO 8 WEEKS. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD TO SILO OFF THAT AREA, AND THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. ITEM TWO IS WHEN WE DID SOME DEMO, WE FOUND A HOSE BIB SITTING IN SOMEONE'S OFFICE, AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN ITS PROPER LOCATION. IT WAS IN KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE FAKE COLUMN, AND WE'RE MOVING IT. AND WE DID NOT REALIZE THAT UNTIL THE WALLS WERE DOWN. ITEM THREE THERE. THIS IS SOME DOORS THAT ARE THAT ARE GOING ON. WE HAVE SOME OLD DETENTION DOORS THAT ARE ODD SHAPED, SO WE'RE JUST ADDING SOME METAL TO MAKE THEM THE ACTUAL SHAPE OF A DOOR. 
          AND ALSO WE DRAINED ALL OF THE ALLOWANCES, WHICH WAS MY DECISION TO KIND OF DO ON PURPOSE BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE USED AN ALLOWANCE, WE HAD TO VOTE ON IT ANYWAY. SO PART OF THAT IS WE'RE GETTING INTO AN OLD ALLOWANCE AND GETTING THE CAUSE, THE LOCKS FOR ALL THE DOORS. SO IT WAS ALREADY IN THE PROJECT. AND THEN ITEM FOUR IS A LITTLE BIT OF DOOR WORK. WE'RE MOVING SOME DOORS AND THE OLD EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT LOCATION TO MAKE THEM MORE USABLE. AND WE'RE ADDING A DOOR IN THE WAREHOUSE SPACE, KIND OF AS WE START SEEING THE FINISHES. AS THAT HAPPENS, YOU SAY, WELL, WE NEED THIS DOOR. THIS DOOR LOOKS BAD AND THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO DO IT. ITEM FIVE WE MADE THE DECISION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE POLISHED CONCRETE AND A LOT OF THE AREA, BECAUSE THE CONCRETE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS GOING TO LOOK VERY NICE WHEN IT WAS POLISHED. AND SO WE BASICALLY DECIDED TO GO TO GET FLOOR COVERINGS. AND THEN ITEM SIX IS A BUNCH OF CREDIT BACK FOR NOT HAVING TO DO THE WORK UP ON THE FLOORS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE FLOOR COSTS. AND THEN A BIG CREDIT ON FLOORS IS BECAUSE NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WORKUP TO MAKE THE POLISHED CONCRETE WORK. ITEM SEVEN IS SOME METAL WORK, MAINLY ON THE TRANSITION WINDOW IN THE LOBBY. THAT IS A BIG, THICK JAIL WALL. 
          AND SO WE'RE JUST ONCE WE PUT THE TRANSACTION WINDOW IN THE LOBBY, WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF METAL WORK TO MAKE IT FLUSH OUT AND, AND LOOK NICE. ITEM EIGHT IS SOME ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL WORK FOR SOME OF THE INTERIOR CHANGES THAT WE HAD TO MAKE. SO THESE ARE KIND OF BEING DONE BY TRADE. IF YOU NOTICE HOW WE'RE BREAKING IT OUT. AND THEN BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PCO IS $35,000. THAT IS FOR EVERYTHING IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE TWO. THAT'S ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL ELECTRICAL CHANGES THAT WE INTEND TO MAKE. ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE OWNER DRIVEN, WHICH WOULD BE US GOING IN AND SEEING SOMETHING GO, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. REMEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE TWO MORE AREAS TO DEMO, WHICH IS GOING TO BE EVIDENCE AND AND DISPATCH. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR LAST WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE TEAR DOWN THOSE WALLS. WE DO HAVE ABOUT $127,000. I DID MAKE A NOTE THAT THAT'S NOT AUDITED. 
          THAT'S MY NUMBERS OF DOING MATH INSIDE THE CI CONTRACT. PLUS AFTER FURNITURE, WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 150 ON THE OWNER'S SIDE. SO WE'RE DOING REALLY HEALTHY ON THE CONTINGENCY EVEN AFTER THIS. THESE ARE BASICALLY CHANGES THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE DEMO. WE KNOCKED DOWN A BUNCH OF WALLS. IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE. THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION AREA HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DEMOED. WE ARE THE ONLY PART THAT HAS NOT BEEN KNOCKED OUT. TO BE STARTED TO REBUILD IS EVIDENCE AND DISPATCH. EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING. SO WE ARE MORE THAN HALFWAY DONE WITH KIND OF WHAT ARE THE OOPSES AND WHAT DO WE SEE? KIND OF THE BIG NEXT STEPS IS WE'RE GOING TO FINALIZE OUR FURNITURE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE EVIDENCE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR LAST DEMO. THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG MILESTONES THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROJECT. AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO WALK YOU ALL 
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THROUGH THIS MULTIFACETED PCO. I ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY NOT TO GIVE US NINE PCOS RIGHT AFTER WE DID 12 IN THE LAST COURT. SO BUT THIS KIND OF GETS ALL THE TRADES GOING FOR THAT LAST BIG REMODEL PART. SO WITH THAT, SAL'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STACEY. AND LIKE LAST TIME REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. MAKES IT VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. OKAY. COURT QUESTIONS FOR SAL. MY ONLY ONE WAS KIND OF LIKE A TIMELINE. 
          ARE WE STILL DOING PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS THE THE PLAN, THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE HASN'T HASN'T CHANGED. IT'S STILL, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN HESITANT TO PULL THAT SCHEDULE IN, BUT THEY DO THINK THEY MADE UP SOME TIME ALREADY. SO YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT END OF AUGUST. THAT'S NOT A PROMISE. THAT IS JUST KIND OF THEIR VERBAL ON THAT ONE. BUT STILL, THE OFFICIAL TIMELINE FOR FOR CO IS THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER. THAT'S EXCELLENT. AND I'M GOING TO COME VISIT IT. 
          YEAH. OF COURSE. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID ON THAT ON THOSE MILESTONES, GETTING EVIDENCE MOVED IS THE NEXT HUGE MILESTONE. WE ACCOMPLISHED ONE BY GETTING DISPATCH MOVED TO ITS TEMPORARY LOCATION. EVIDENCE IS A HUGE DEAL. GOOD. THANKS SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. 
          SAL. I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS MOTION? RIGHT. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. PRIME CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 31 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH CI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE RENOVATION PROJECT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 0. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION? AND IT MAY BE BECAUSE SINCE YOU'RE HERE VOTING, IT'S ALREADY BEING RECOGNIZED AS FRANK NEW VOTING. 
          BUT IS THAT CAN THAT BE ALTERED ON ON JENNIFER. I'LL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO IN THE OFFICIAL RECORD. GREAT. I JUST LOOKED AT IT AND I WENT, FRANK. HI, FRANK. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP I CAN GET. I JUST I HADN'T EVEN PAID ATTENTION. YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? THERE MAY BE SOME VOTES I WANT TO DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOWN THE ROAD. JUST A JOKE. JUST A JOKE, Y'ALL. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS TO 
          [7.	Discuss/Act on approving the Request for Proposal for Inmate Commissary Services and authorize the Auditor to advertise by public notice. In addition, authorize the Auditor to give notice to end the current commissary agreement as of September 30, 2026 since the county is going out for bid, and all related issues; (Judge New - County Auditor)]
DISCUSS AN ACT ON THE REQUEST FOR INMATE COMMISSARY SERVICES AND AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR TO ADVERTISE BY PUBLIC NOTICE. IN ADDITION, AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR GIVE NOTICE TO END THE COMMISSARY AGREEMENT AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. SINCE THE COUNTY IS GOING OUT TO BID ON THIS MATTER, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND AUDITOR LISA WYLIE, WOULD YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THIS? NO, SIR. WE THE RFQ WILL BE PUT OUT ON THE STREET, AND SHERRY IN MY OFFICE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT SIDE. SHE'LL BE WORKING ALONGSIDE THE JAIL. IT'S BEEN VETTED BY LEGAL AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND WE THINK IT'S READY TO GO. GREAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. AND THIS IS THE AUDITOR HAS ADVISED ME PRIOR TO THIS MEETING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO IT'S TIME TO DO IT. AND THERE WAS NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT THE FUNDS THAT THIS PRODUCES TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. BUT THAT IS PART OF THE BID WE'LL BE GETTING FROM THESE FOLKS. AND THAT'S PART OF HOW WE RANK THEIR THEIR PROPOSALS. SO. LET'S SEE, I HAD ONE. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION HERE, LISA, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE RFP, I'M ON PAGE SIX. THE. THERE'S A PROVISION HERE THAT SAYS IF THERE THERE OWNERSHIP OF THE FIRM CHANGES, THEY'VE GOT TO BE NOTIFIED WITHIN TEN DAYS AND BE SUBMITTED. AND IT SAYS FAILURE TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTIFICATION OF CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP MAY RESULT IN CANCELLATION OF THE CONTRACT. IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, A MAJORITY CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A RIGHT TO LOOK AT THAT OR APPROVE IT? THIS JUST SAYS THEY HAVE TO GIVE US NOTICE. AND I WONDERED IF THIS ISN'T THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO APPROVE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE SERVICES UNDER THE NEW OWNERSHIP? YEAH. IF THERE'S A I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY SOLD THE 
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BUSINESS, YOU GOT BRAND NEW MANAGERS, BRAND NEW COMPANY. AND I WOULD THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D BE, WE'D WANT TO KNOW ABOUT AND MAYBE HAVE A CHANCE TO APPROVE. DANIEL. DOES THAT TRIGGER ANY OUR ABILITY TO GET OUT OF A CONTRACT IF THERE'S AN OWNERSHIP CHANGE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN. YOU CAN BUILD THAT PART IN WHAT COMMISSIONER IS TALKING ABOUT INTO THE RFP, AND THEN WRITE IT INTO THE CONTRACT. IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN THE RFP, IT'LL BE UP TO THE CONTRACTOR WHETHER THEY YOU CHOOSE, WHETHER THEY WANT TO ADD IT IN. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S IN THERE IS TO PUT IT IN RFP ITSELF. IT'S LEGAL TO DO THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE IF THEY CHANGE OWNERSHIP. NO, NOT UNLESS WE PUT IT IN THE NEW RFP. 
          AND AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO PROTECT US ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY SELL THE BUSINESS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, GEE, THEY HANDLE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO. AND THEN. LET'S SEE IF I HAD ANYTHING ELSE. OH, IN YOUR INSURANCE PROVISIONS. I'M NOT LOOKING AT PAGE 14 NOW. 
          IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN, QUOTE, STIPULATED MINIMUM INSURANCE. AND THEN IT SETS A STANDARDS FOR THE COMPANIES. AND THEN IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT VERIFICATION ON THE NEXT PAGE OF THEIR GENERAL LIABILITY. IT DOESN'T PUT INSURANCE AMOUNTS IN IT. THAT IS THAT SOMETHING WE DON'T TYPICALLY SPECIFY AS WHAT WE WANT FOR MINIMUMS? I WOULD THINK WE WOULD. WE WE NORMALLY WILL SPECIFY A DOLLAR AMOUNT LIKE ON A BUILDING PROJECT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT WE CAN'T. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING EVERY, YOU KNOW, TODAY YOU'D THINK EVERYONE'S GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM $1 MILLION. BUT WE'VE SEEN THINGS COME THROUGH THE COURT RECENTLY THAT DON'T HAVE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF A MILLION IS EVEN ENOUGH ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, BUT I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO SPECIFY WHAT THOSE MINIMUMS ARE. AND MAYBE, DANIEL, GET SOME THOUGHTS FROM YOU ON WHAT IS A VALID MINIMUM. I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'D BE LESS THAN $1 MILLION. YEAH. FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST 5 MILLION WITH 1 MILLION PER OCCURRENCE, AND THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE NAMED AS AN ADDITIONAL NAMED INSURED WITH 30 DAYS NOTICE IF THAT POLICY IS GOING TO BE. CANCELED FOR ANY REASON. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. SO THOSE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING. SO LET'S CORRECT AT LEAST ON THOSE ITEMS. LET'S CORRECT THE RFP TO REFLECT THOSE THINGS. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          I'M GETTING READY TO MAKE A MOTION. GREAT. YEAH. IF YOU COULD JUST APPROVE IT WITH THE LEGAL CHANGES. OKAY. RECOMMENDED LEGAL CHANGES. NO, I GOT IT, I GOT IT. STACY'S ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT POINT. I GOT I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, SIR, THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR INMATE COMMISSARY SERVICES WITH THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES WHERE WE HAVE A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP CLAUSE ADDED, AND THAT WE SPECIFY THAT THE GENERAL LIABILITY BE $5 MILLION COVERAGE, 1 MILLION PER OCCURRENCE, THAT WE NAME THE COUNTY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED, AND THAT WE GET 30 DAYS NOTICE OF ANY CHANGE IN COVERAGE. AND THEN WE AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR TO PROMOTE THIS AND SEND THIS OUT TO BID. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, Y'ALL? DID WE GIVE HER THE THE AUDITOR THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE NOTICE ON THE OTHER ONE IN THAT MOTION, IT WAS MY INTENT TO GIVE NOTICE TO END THE COMMISSARY AGREEMENT BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. I APOLOGIZE IF IT WASN'T THERE. OKAY. AND YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SECOND AND I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT, COMMISSIONER GALLINA. YES, DANIEL, BEFORE YOU VOTE, ONE OTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YOU MEAN ADDITIONAL NAMED INSURED, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I SAID. IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, I YEAH, WELL, YOU SAID ADDITIONAL INSURED, BUT ADDITIONAL NAME INSURED. ADDITIONAL NAMED INSURED IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. YEAH. AND. 
          LISA, IF YOU NEED TO JUST WORK THAT LANGUAGE OUT WITH DANIEL AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT ALSO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THAT ALL CLEAR TO YOU, JENNIFER? I ACTUALLY MISSED THE ENTIRE THING, BUT I'LL CATCH IT UP. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER 
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DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE. AND I AM VOTING AS LAUREN LICHTY. OKAY, THAT'S ITEM 
          [8.	Discuss/Act on authorization for Development Services to obtain a traffic study to detenmine if conditions meet the necessary warrant criteria for speed hump installation in the Alexander Ranch subdivision, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - County Engineer)]
NUMBER SEVEN. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. NOW DISCUSS AND ACT ON AUTHORIZATION FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO OBTAIN A TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE IF CONDITIONS MEET THE NECESSARY WARRANT. CRITERIA FOR SPEED HUMP INSTALLATION IN THE ALEXANDER RANCH SUBDIVISION AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER. STACY. YEAH, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY. A FEW YEARS BACK, WE DID AUTHORIZE A $20,000 STUDY OF THE AREA WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS AROUND FEBRUARY OF 2025. THAT STUDY WAS SHUT DOWN AND A FEW THINGS CAME FROM IT. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRIP 21 WISH LIST KIND OF THING, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET, BUT THE IDEA IS TO STUDY 548 AND 276 AND GET THAT INTERSECTION INSURED. THAT CAME AS A RESULT OF THIS STUDY OF KNOWING THAT THAT INTERSECTION NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. I'VE TALKED TO COUNTY ENGINEER AND ROAD AND BRIDGE. WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT STRIPING MUNSON ROAD JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THAT STUFF. WE HAVEN'T PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PAINTING AND STRIPING MUNSON ROAD. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT TRAFFIC CALMING WITHIN ALEXANDER RANCH WAS AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT AND INITIATED. 
          WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS TURN IT INTO STUDYING MUNSON AND. 276 SO THAT'S WHY WE SHUT IT DOWN, BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD USE OF SPENDING MONEY. NOR WAS THAT NECESSARILY THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT HAVING A STUDY. THAT AREA AT THE TIME, THIS IS DEFINITELY IT WAS SHUT DOWN IN 25, BUT THIS WAS ALL APPROVED BEFORE COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND GALLINA WERE ON COURT. SO SINCE THEN, THE COURT HAS PASSED A SPEED HUMP POLICY. 
          SINCE THEN, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A SUFFICIENT REQUEST. I'M GOING TO HAVE ERICA KIND OF PICK IT UP FROM HERE, A SUFFICIENT REQUEST. WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IS AN ACTUAL STUDY INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND IF THERE ACTUALLY WARRANTED. SO ALL THE WORK WAS OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOING TRAFFIC CALMING AT THE TIME, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A POLICY TO DO IT. SO WE DIDN'T REALLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY SAYING, HOW SHOULD WE GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO IT? SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS BACK, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO. SO IN OUR SPEED HUMP POLICY, IT SAYS IF THERE IS A PETITION AND THE PETITION IS SUFFICIENT, THERE WILL BE A STUDY DONE BY THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE IF THESE ARE WARRANTED. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH SEEING IS SPEED HUMPS ARE ACTUALLY WARRANTED AND DOING DOING THAT STUDY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER. THANK YOU. SO WE NEED DATA ON ALEXANDER LANE, MCKINLEY LANE AND REAGAN COURT, IN PARTICULAR INSIDE ALEXANDER RANCH. IT'S NOT A VERY BIG SUBDIVISION. IT'S IT'S FAIRLY SMALL, BUT THOSE ARE THE ROUTES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED AS CUT THROUGH BETWEEN 276 AND MUNSON ROAD. SO THAT'S WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SPEED, SPEED DATA AS WELL AS TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THOSE ROADS. SO AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT AS WELL ON TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISMS, WHETHER THAT BE THE SPEED HUMPS OR WHETHER THAT BE SOME OTHER RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE. AND SO, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE A 20 MINUTE LIGHT AT 276 AND 548. AND WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS VERY FRUSTRATED INDIVIDUALS CUT THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE END UP KNOCKING DOWN FENCES. WE HAD A BUS STOP WHERE THEY WRECKED INTO A MAILBOX WHERE KIDS WERE WAITING FOR THE BUS. IT'S JUST IT'S A VERY, VERY WEIRD SITUATION BECAUSE APPLE MAPS AND GOOGLE MAPS WILL SAY, JUST CUT THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN YOU'VE BEEN SITTING AT A LIGHT FOR TEN, 15 MINUTES BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TURN ON MUNSON TO GO AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN YOU JUST CUT THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND IS, IS UNTIL THAT CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO KIND OF PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY'RE ALL COUNTY ROADS INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY, SO THEY'RE NOT PRIVATE ROADS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE DO FROM THAT STANDPOINT. THEY DID GET A SUFFICIENT PETITION DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS A FORMAL REQUEST. SO THE NEXT STEPS IN OUR POLICY WOULD BE TO STUDY IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COUNTY. 
          THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF ROLLING INTO BUDGET. IF IT GETS EXPENSIVE, HOW DO WE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? BUT BUT I'VE BEEN OUT 4 TO 5 TIMES AND MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE LEGALLY DO? HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? BECAUSE WHAT IT IS, IS, IS BASICALLY VERY, VERY IRATE PEOPLE THAT JUST GO FLYING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AT VERY UNEXPECTED TIMES BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS BAD. 
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IF WE EVER GET CONSTRUCTION ON 276, IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS THIS CORNER IS JUST A REALLY, REALLY BAD CORNER IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION. AND I KNOW, LAUREN, THERE ARE PARTS IN YOUR PRECINCT THAT THAT ARE UNDER THE SAME SORT OF CONSTRAINT OF THESE, OF THIS, THESE LIGHTS THAT JUST BACK UP OR THESE ALTERNATE ROUTES THAT HAPPEN. AND THESE STREETS ARE STRAIGHT AND THEY'RE WIDE. AND SO PEOPLE JUST GO FLYING THROUGH THEM. YEAH. AND WHEN WE DO THIS STUDY, ERICA, ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO IT IN-HOUSE OR ARE YOU GOING TO BRING ON A CONSULTANT? WELL, SOME OF SOME OF THE DATA WAS ALREADY COLLECTED BY OUR CONSULTANT. WE HAD A SEPARATE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THAT. SO I WOULD PROBABLY BE WORKING WITH THEM AND TAKING THE DATA, TAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN FORMULATING A RECOMMENDATION TO BRING TO YOU ALL WHO IS THE CONSULTANT? BREANNA NICHOLS. NICHOLS. YEAH. 
          AND AS I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCEDURE, THEY'VE GOT THE 60%. THEY'VE ASKED US TO DO IT. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO PROCEED. IF WE WANT TO FOLLOW OUR PROCEDURE, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE. YES, SIR. DIDN'T DO THAT. AND I THINK I REMEMBER YOU GAVE ME A COST ON THIS AT ONE POINT. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THIS WILL COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE? I, I WAS GIVING YOU A COST ON A DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE TO UPDATE IT. I, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FINISH UP AND DO THE INTERNAL STUDY FOR ALEXANDER RANCH. YEAH. OKAY. 
          AND SO WE, WE TECHNICALLY HAVE $12,000 LEFT UNDER THAT CONTRACT. SO THE PLAN WOULD BE TO GO BACK TO THAT CONTRACT BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE'VE SPENT $8,000, $8,057 ON THAT CONTRACT. SO, SO THE PLAN WOULD BE TO GO BACK TO THAT CONTRACT AND FINISH THE STUDY. WE WERE JUST IN A REALLY WEIRD CROSSHAIRS BECAUSE THE WHERE WE WENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WASN'T INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE SINCE PASSED A POLICY, AND THAT POLICY SAYS WE HAVE TO DO THIS. SO YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE 60% OF THE PEOPLE FILED A PETITION. SO I THINK FORMAL ACTION FROM THE COURT, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR US TO SAY, YES, WE ARE GOING TO DO A SPEED STUDY. I MEAN, A SPEED HUMP STUDY INSIDE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE IF THE SPEED HUMPS ARE WARRANTED AND GIVE YOU A FULL REPORT BACK, EVEN THOUGH WE KIND OF HAVE A CONTRACT. SO WE KIND OF COULD HAVE DONE IT. THIS IS ALSO SENDING A MESSAGE TO THEM THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR OWN POLICY. WE'RE DOING WHAT YOU SAID TO DO AND THAT WE'RE WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT IS BEING DONE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S IT CLEARLY SOUNDS NECESSARY. AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU, YOU'LL COME BACK TO THE COURT ANYWAY FOR THAT NUMBER. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE WE COULD GET THIS GOING IN? IF YOU HAD ANY PRE CONVERSATIONS WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I WOULD HOPE WITHIN 60 DAYS. OKAY. I ALSO WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF US DOING SOME OF THE DATA GATHERING ON OUR OWN INTERNALLY TO TRY TO SAVE SOME COSTS AS WELL. SO I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS IN THERE, BUT HOPEFULLY 60 DAYS, NO, NO MORE. 
          AND THEN JUST SO THE COURT KNOWS, THIS IS THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN PRECINCT FOUR THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR SPEED HUMPS. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE NO MORE THAT I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR BECAUSE OUR POLICY PRECLUDES ALL OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN. BUT IN OTHER PRECINCTS, PERHAPS IT'S TRUE. HOW MANY COUNTY ROADS DO YOU HAVE IN YOURS, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH? ZERO. WELL, SO NOT FOUR AND NOT TWO. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER STACY, BUT DON'T LOSE INTEREST, FOLKS. WE'LL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS. BUT SO I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. HAVE YOU AS PART OF YOUR STUDY SO FAR, HAVE YOU PUT OUT A SPEED CAMERA TO TRY AND DETERMINE WHAT THE AVERAGE SPEEDS ARE IN THAT KIND OF THING? THAT ACTUALLY WE DID IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE JUST ON ALEXANDER. YEAH, FOR ABOUT A WEEK. SO WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE SPEEDS ARE. WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR WITH THE SPEED DATA IF WE POSSIBLY CAN. SO YEAH, THE SPEED DATA IS VERY BROAD. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A BETTER CAPTURE. SO THE RANGES ARE JUST SUPER HIGH. SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA FROM THAT ORIGINAL SPEED STUDY, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE SPEED IS NOT THE SPEED LIMIT. YEAH. SO JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IN 
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ALEXANDER RANCH IS 25MPH. BUT WHEN WE GOT THE SPEED DATA, IT WAS THE FIRST CATEGORY WAS 0 TO 40 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE US WE KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT MAYBE GOING FIVE OVER TEN OVER, POSSIBLY 15 OVER. SO WE, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR. OKAY, GREAT. LISA HAS ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE YOU, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD WE BE ELIGIBLE FOR ERIKA TO TO USE IT WAS ACTED ON THAT IT WOULD BE COUNTY ENGINEERING LINE ITEM AT A GENERAL GOVERNMENT. SO I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THESE ARE ROAD FUNDS THAT WE'RE USING. THESE ARE NOT BOND FUNDS. THESE ARE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, LISA. THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO A BUDGET. AND I WAS THINKING, YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT OF IT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS IN OUR BUDGET. OKAY. IS THE DESIRE FOR ME TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COURT ONCE I FIND OUT WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS, OR JUST TO PROCEED FORWARD, AS LONG AS IT'S LESS THAN WHAT'S REMAINING IN MY. I KNOW SOME MAY DIFFER. MY THOUGHT IS, IF WE'RE APPROVING IT, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH. IF IT'S. UNLESS IT EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AUTHORIZATION FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO OBTAIN A TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE IF CONDITIONS MEET THE NECESSARY WARRANT. CRITERIA FOR SPEED UP INSTALLATION IN THE ALEXANDER RANCH SUBDIVISION. I WILL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALENA, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES AND IT PASSES FOUR TO NOTHING. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S TEN AFTER TWO. IS EVERYBODY OKAY? TEN AFTER TEN. IS EVERYBODY OKAY IF WE CONTINUE? BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES. OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. WE WILL COME BACK AT IT'S 1012 BY THAT . AND WE ARE NOW BACK IN SESSION COURT. I WOULD ASK YOU TO TURN 
          [9.	Discussion regarding road repairs and converting private roads to County Roads in Bent Trail Estates, and all related matters: (Commissioner Liechty)]
YOUR ATTENTION TO ITEM NINE DISCUSSION REGARDING ROAD REPAIRS AND CONVERTING PRIVATE ROADS INTO COUNTY ROADS IN BENT TRAIL ESTATES. I'VE GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION HERE WHICH MEREDITH IS GOING TO HELP ME WITH. BENT TRAIL ESTATES, AS YOU CAN GUESS, IS IN PRECINCT THREE AND IT IS A SUBDIVISION OF 39 LOTS. IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THE THE THE MAP THERE, IT'S A SUBDIVISION OF 39 LOTS. THERE'S ACTUALLY 40, BUT ONE IS A COMMUNITY LOT. IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2006 BY A GROUP CALLED J. THREE DEVELOPMENT L.P. AND THE STREETS ARE PRIVATE STREETS. 
          MOST OF THE STREETS WERE BUILT ESSENTIALLY TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE A COUNTY STANDARDS AT THE TIME, BUT THEY WERE NOT TURNED OVER TO TO BE COUNTY STREETS. SO THEY ARE THEY ARE PRIVATE STREETS. THIS PROPERTY, MOST OF IT IS IN THE ETJ OF ROCKWALL, BUT THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF IT THAT IS NOT, WELL, A SINKHOLE DEVELOPED LAST AUGUST. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SOME PICTURES HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF THAT. THAT WAS LAST AUGUST AND SENT. YEAH, LET'S JUST FLASH THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THERE. YOU'LL SEE THE RUSTING REBAR ALONG THERE. THE HOLE IS GETTING BIGGER. THERE'S A BIG PIPE DOWN THERE. THE DRAINAGE IS VERY BAD. IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO GO BACK TO THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE THE HOLE THERE AND IN THE THERE THAT THAT PICTURE. SO AT THE AT ONE END OF THIS STREET THERE IS MUNSON ROAD, AND THE OTHER END GOES OUT AND TAKES. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO LITERALLY PEOPLE CANNOT GO OVER THIS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE RAISED BY THE ROYSE CITY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THEIR BUSSES ARE NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DRIVE PAST THIS. SO IF YOU LIVE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU GO IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION. ONE WAY. IF YOU LIVE IN THE OTHER SIDE, YOU GO IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION A DIFFERENT WAY. FORTUNATELY, THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS. THE. WHEN THIS HAPPENED, I HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT AND WITH OUR COUNTY COUNCIL AND WAS, TO MY FRUSTRATION, TOLD THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT. I TRIED EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. I MADE ARGUMENTS THAT EVEN NOW 
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MAKE LEASE A LAUGH. THAT SAYING THAT, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD CALL IT THIS, BUT I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION AS LONG AS THESE ARE PRIVATE STREETS, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. 
          I'VE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS HERE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. WE'VE DISCUSSED FOUR POSSIBLE OPTIONS WITH THEM. THEY DO NOT HAVE AN HOA. THE SUBDIVISION ORIGINALLY HAD AN HOA, BUT THAT WAS DISBANDED, I THINK IT WAS IN 2015. SO THEY DO NOT HAVE AN HOA. SO THEY CAN'T JUST ASSESS THE NEIGHBORS FOR FIXING THIS. SO IT PUTS THEM IN A BAD SPOT. BUT THE REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN, UNDER SECTION 253 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE, LET'S GO TO THOSE SLIDES UNDER 253 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE. IF A COMMISSIONERS COURT OF A COUNTY DETERMINES THAT THE IMPROVEMENT OF A ROAD IN A SUBDIVISION, OR OF AN ACCESS ROAD TO A SUBDIVISION IS NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY PROPOSE TO ONE IMPROVE THE ROAD TO COMPLY WITH COUNTY STANDARDS FOR ROADS, AND. TWO ASSESS ALL OR PART OF THE COSTS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS PRO RATA AGAINST THE RECORD OWNERS OF THE REAL PROPERTY OF THE SUBDIVISION OR A DEFINED PART OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO THAT SECTION, THERE WILL BE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I'LL POINT OUT IN A MINUTE. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS THE COUNTY TO IMPROVE THESE ROADS, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM IN AS COUNTY ROADS AFTER THAT, AND THEY'RE OUR OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THEM. WE GET TO CHARGE THE INITIAL COST OF THAT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOMEOWNERS. THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE HOMEOWNERS. AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE, THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD PUT A LIEN ON THEIR HOMES. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A BALLOT. IT SAYS THAT IF WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. AND IF WE DECIDE THIS IS NECESSARY FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TO ASSESS IT AND SEND IT TO THE HOMEOWNERS FOR THEIR VOTE. THE HIGHLIGHTED PART THERE IN 25306 B IS THAT THE BALLOT MUST STATE THE MAXIMUM ASSESSMENT THAT COULD BE MADE AGAINST EACH PROPERTY IN THE SUBDIVISION OR PART OF THE SUBDIVISION TO BE ASSESSED. IF A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES RECEIVED FAVOR, THE PROPOSITION. SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IF WE DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH THIS, AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO ACTION TODAY. THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION TODAY. BUT IF WE DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING. THEN WE WOULD SEND OUT A BALLOT. 
          WE'D HAVE TO STATE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT COULD BE CHARGED TO THE HOMEOWNERS IF WE MISS IT, AND IT COSTS MORE THAN THAT, IT'S ON US AS THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT CANNOT BE CHARGED TO THEM. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO REMEMBER. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THEN IT SAYS THIS IS 25307. IF A MAJORITY OF RETURNED BALLOTS ARE IN FAVOR OF THE IMPROVEMENT IN ASSESSMENT, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT SHALL ORDER THE IMPROVEMENTS AND ASSESSMENTS AND ASSESS THE COSTS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AGAINST THE REAL PROPERTY OWNERS, A SUBDIVISION OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THIS, AND IF WE MADE THE SENT OUT A BALLOT IN A, 51% OF THE HOMEOWNERS SAID, YES, DO THIS, THEN IT BECOMES OUR OBLIGATION TO DO IT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROADS TO COUNTY STANDARDS. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, AS YOU SAW, THERE'S A REAL MESS THERE. AND IF YOU DRIVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I'VE DONE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS BECOMES SO EXPENSIVE IS THAT TO IMPROVE THE ROADS TO COUNTY STANDARDS ALSO INCLUDES IMPROVING DRAINAGE TO COUNTY STANDARDS. AND ERICA AND I HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THIS, AND WE'VE MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE THE DRAINAGE UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS ALONG THESE ROADS. AND YEAH, THERE'S A PACKAGE HERE IN YOUR BOOK IF YOU WANT THAT'S THE SAME AS THIS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THAT STUFF. SO THAT WE WENT OUT AND GOT AN ESTIMATE OF VALUE FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, FREESE, NICHOLS, AND LET'S GO TO THAT SLIDE. THE VALUES. OKAY. SO YOU SEE HERE, WHAT WE DID IS THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS, PAVING IMPROVEMENTS AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. AND AS YOU'LL SEE, THE PAVING IMPROVEMENTS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 850,000. THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S JUST NOT FIXING THIS ONE HOLE. AND THEN THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALMOST DOUBLE THAT AT 1,000,664, BRINGING A SUBTOTAL OF 2 MILLION 5151 TEN, WE'VE ADDED A CONTINGENCY OF 
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30% HERE TO THIS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND TO LET THE HOMEOWNERS GIVE AN IDEA, BECAUSE, AS I SAID, IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THIS, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT COULD BE. SO WE FACTORED IN A HEALTHY CONTINGENCY BECAUSE IF WE MISS IT, IT'S ON US AND NOT ON THEM. 
          AND SO THAT BRINGS US TO 3 MILLION 269, $650. WELL, ON A 39 HOME SUBDIVISION THAT YIELDS A PER LOT COST OF $83,837, WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE HOMEOWNERS AREN'T REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM A SOLUTION HERE. AND AS I'VE SHARED WITH THEM MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THE MAX, WE'LL CHARGE WHATEVER THE WORK COST, AND WE'LL DO IT AS INEXPENSIVELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN IF WE PROCEED DOWN THIS ROAD. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE LAW DOESN'T TELL US IS IT DOESN'T TELL US THE THE TERMS OF THE REPAYMENT FOR THIS AMOUNT. OKAY. SO IF YOU PUT AN $83,000 LIEN AGAINST EACH HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY, WHEN DOES IT HAVE TO BE PAID BACK? WELL, THE THE ONLY ONE THING THAT THE STATUTE SAYS RELATED TO THAT IS IT SAYS YOU CANNOT CHARGE INTEREST. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE PUT IT ON FOR TEN YEARS, WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON THAT MONEY, RIGHT. 
          AND THEY ARE NOT PAYING INTEREST ON IT. SO IT IMPACTS THAT. AND I'M SURE TREASURER PEAKE COULD VERY EASILY RUN US A CALCULATION AND TELL US THE NET PRESENT VALUE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE DID IT FOR TEN YEARS OR 20 YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST TO US BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO CHARGE INTEREST. IF WE PROCEED. ALL THAT TO BE SAID, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND I'VE SUGGESTED TO THE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALL SEATED, A BUNCH OF THEM ARE SEATED RIGHT HERE THAT IF THEY WANT, THEY'D COME SHARE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF US THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, THAT WE COULD HELP THEM MAKE A DECISION. BECAUSE ONE OTHER THING THE LAW SAYS IS IF YOU MAKE THIS BALLOT AND IT'S NOT PASSED, THEN YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR FOUR YEARS. SO I'VE EXPLAINED TO THEM VERY CAREFULLY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS UNLESS YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET 51%, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN THE COUNTIES CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE LAW READS. SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE GOT BRADEN BARNES, WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK AS AN INFORMAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RESIDENTS OF BENT TRAIL ESTATES. 
          BRADEN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ELECTED FOR SETTING THIS UP FOR US AND COMMISSIONERS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US OUT. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN A IN A IN A CONUNDRUM CONUNDRUM, YOU COULD SAY. I THINK AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, THOUGH, IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINATION WITH OUR DEVELOPER AND, AND HOME BUILDERS. AND IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING THAT THE ALEXANDER RANCH THING CAME UP RIGHT BEFORE, BEFORE OURS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A CORRELATION THERE. I THINK BASICALLY THE DEVELOPER COMPLETELY DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS. ALL INTENTIONS WERE THAT THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC ROAD RELATED TO ALEXANDER RANCH, WHICH IS I ACTUALLY WAS LOOKING AT A PROPERTY THERE FROM THE SAME ORIGINAL BUILDER WHO BUILT IN BENT ESTATES AND WAS LIKE, WELL, HEY, I ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE OVER AT BENT TRAIL. SO LEFT ALEXANDER WENT OVER THERE VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, ROAD CONSTRUCTION BAR, DITCH TYPE DRAINAGE IN THE WHATNOT FOR FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'LL NEVER KNOW, I GUESS. BUT BACK IN THE, YOU KNOW, 0607 TIME PERIOD, THE DEVELOPER DID NOT DO WHAT, WHAT WAS NEEDED TO, TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I THINK THAT THINGS HAVE OPERATED AS IF THIS WAS A PUBLIC ROAD THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY. SOME EXAMPLES, I MEAN, WE HAVE IT'S NEVER BEEN GATED. 
          WE HAVE SPEED LIMITS, STOP SIGN ROAD SIGNS, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT THAT ARE PUBLIC ROADS. THE POSTAL SERVICE DELIVERS TO EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, YOU KNOW, MAILBOX, THERE'S NO BANK OF MAILBOXES THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IMAGINE A, JUST A SINGLE THREAD IN AND OUT ROAD THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS A, AN ALLOTMENT OF HOUSES THAT MIGHT JUST HAVE A BANK OF MAILBOXES AT THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET. WE'VE ALSO HEARD SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE ROYSE CITY ISD AND THE SCHOOL BUS PROBLEMS NOT BEING ABLE TO 
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GO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THEY DO, ALTHOUGH THEY DO IN THE LOOP PART. IF YOU KIND OF GO BACK TO THE THE PLAT DRAWING, THEY DO COME IN AND PICK UP INDIVIDUALLY. THEY DON'T JUST PICK UP, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT AN ENTRANCE LIKE IS MORE COMMON ON A, A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT CLEARLY THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH. ANOTHER EXAMPLE, I'LL SAY BACK PRIOR TO WHEN THE, THE SINKHOLE OCCURRED, SOME OF THE ROADS WE MENTIONED MONTHS AND. 548 THERE'S A PRETTY HAIRY TURN AT IT, KIND OF THE JUNCTION AMONGST. AND THEN YOU GET TO THE END OF POETRY ROAD INTO 548 WHERE, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS ARE SOMEWHAT COMMON. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I'VE SEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD USED AS A DETOUR TO BE ABLE TO REROUTE TRAFFIC FROM 548 THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH WITH ALEXANDER, WITH THE BACKUPS OF LIGHTS, BUT SAME, SAME THING. 
          AND WE DO GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT IS AN INTERSECTION THAT I THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE TO AVOID. BACK WHEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. ANOTHER POINT, I THINK BACK TO, TO SHOW OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT. AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, 38, 38 HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL LOT, THERE'S NO INDICATION IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVEYANCE DEEDS THAT THAT THERE WAS A A PARTIAL 39TH INTEREST GIVEN FOR THE STREETS AND EVEN FOR THAT MATTER, ON THE, THE, THE COMMON OWNERSHIP AREA WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, CALLED OUT LIKE YOU THOUGHT IT, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE HAD IT BEEN A PRIVATE, A PRIVATE TYPE SITUATION. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE'RE NOT SMALL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TAX PAYING BASE THERE. THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SHOWED ON THE COSTS THAT ARE UP THERE. I MEAN, THAT'S A THAT'S AN EXTREME, EXTREME BURDEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD BE LESS. BUT STILL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS AROUND THE THE 80,000. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTREME IMPACT TO ALL, ALL HOMEOWNERS. IT COULD EVEN BE A SITUATION WHERE A NEWER HOMEOWNER, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT ALMOST PUT THEM UPSIDE DOWN, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL LOAN TO VALUE SITUATION WAS WHEN THEY ORIGINATED THE LOAN. SO ANYWAY, WE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, REALIZE IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION AND, AND NOT A DIRECT, EASY ANSWER, BUT APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO US ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EVERYBODY TRY TO PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE CLEARLY IF THERE WERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A LOAN SITUATION, A LONGER TERM WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. 
          AND, OR I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT EXPRESSLY, YOU KNOW, SPELLED OUT IN THE STATUTES TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A BALLOON PAYMENT WHERE IT COULD BE UP ON, YOU KNOW, SALE OR CONVEYANCE OF THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TAKE SOME OF THE, THE FINANCIAL BURDEN, AT LEAST KIND OF IN THE IMMEDIATE OFF THE HOMEOWNERS. THANKS, BRADEN. AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY UP HERE. WE WON. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE COULD TRY AND DISCUSS, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY, BUT WE COULD TRY AND DISCUSS IS WHAT KIND OF TERMS WE LOOK AT. HE SUGGESTED A BALLOON PAYMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE. ON UNLESS SOMEONE CAN FIND A STATUTE THAT NONE OF OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT KNOWS ABOUT, WE CAN'T FIX THIS HOLE. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO. AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO GO OUT AND DO IT, I CAN'T FIX THIS HOLE. SO IF THE. IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH, I THINK THE QUESTION TO US IS WHAT A. JUST IN GENERAL, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ON AND B, WHAT KIND OF TERMS WOULD WE GIVE THEM? I KNOW WE RAN INTO THIS ONCE WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL IN HEATH WITH BUFFALO CREEK. BUFFALO CREEK WAS A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION AND EVERYBODY WANTED IT THAT WAY. AND EVERYBODY LOVED IT UNTIL THEIR STREET STARTED FALLING APART. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAD 700 PLUS HOMES THAT WERE LOOKING AT HUGE ASSESSMENTS FOR THEIR STREETS, AND WE ENDED UP TAKING THEM IN AS CITY STREETS AND DOING THE REPAIRS OURSELVES. THE THE POINT THAT STRUCK ME THROUGH THAT ENTIRE DISCUSSION AND HAS AND KEEPS COMING BACK TO ME HERE IS BUT FOR THE FACT THAT IN 2006, A DEVELOPER DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION TO MAKE THESE COUNTY STREETS, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD HE 
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FOLLOWED THROUGH. AND THESE FOLKS ARE PAYING TAXES JUST TO THE COUNTY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING TAXES TO THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE A AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT. AND IT IS YOUR DECISION, IT'S NOT OURS. WE CAN'T FORCE THIS ON YOU. AND I WOULDN'T. 
          BUT IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE TO DO IT, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE REPAIRS, GET THE MONEY FROM THE RESIDENTS TO REIMBURSE US, AND THEN PROCEED WITH THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON ISSUES THAT WE FACE, THINGS WE'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT. YOUR GENERAL TAKE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE DOWN THIS ROAD. I KNOW OUR AND AGAIN, JUST TO SET THE TABLE AGAIN AND BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW, OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DO NOT WANT A PUBLIC COUNTY ROADS, NEW SUBDIVISIONS. THE PREFERENCE IS CLEARLY FOR THEM TO BE PRIVATE ROADS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. COMMISSIONER GALLINA YEAH. I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM. LET'S LET'S JUST LET'S JUST I THINK THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO TALK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST. NO. YEAH. AND THEN I'LL ASK ALL THESE QUESTIONS. YEAH. OKAY. COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE? YES. MITCH LEATHERS, I AM A RESIDENT OF BEN TRAIL ESTATES. 
          NEIGHBORS TO BRADEN BARNES. WE AS I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A COUPLE POINTS BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE CLAUSES WAS HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY JUST HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE ROAD IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS, ANIMALS. WE DO HAVE SOME WILD ANIMALS THAT ROAM THE STREETS AT NIGHT. ONE OF THEM'S GOING TO END UP IN THAT FOR SURE, BUT THE THE TURN THAT BRADEN MENTIONED AT POETRY ROAD IN 548, THAT IN ITS OWN RIGHT IS A VERY SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD DEAL WITH. BUT. THE FACT IS THAT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AVOID THAT VERY TURN BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUE AND GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, NORTH EAST, YOU KNOW, ON TO SOUTH MUNSON AND DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE DEFINITELY AVOIDING, YOU KNOW, THAT POETRY TURNOFF AND GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHENEVER THEY CAN GET THROUGH. SO LET'S SAY THIS GETS FIXED THERE. THEY'RE DEFINITELY THAT ROAD IS GOING TO GET WORN BY, YOU KNOW, NON PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC DRIVERS SAY TO DO THAT. SO I DID DEFINITELY WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE, THE OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS PAYING IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO PASS, YOU KNOW, BY THE RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SAID A MAJORITY. WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GETTING THAT EVEN FOR EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO FIX THAT ROAD, PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO THROW $83,000 ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON ON THE OLD NOTE, EVEN IF IT'S GOT TO BE PAID BACK, YOU KNOW, IN 20 YEARS. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO I THINK THE ISSUE IS JUST GOING TO COME UP AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME UP BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO, I'M SURE, IS PATCH IT AT THE LEAST COST POSSIBLE AND GET AS MANY RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE TO PITCH IN THERE. AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE GET 50%. IF WE TOOK THE CHEAPEST ROUTE TO REPAIR THIS HOLE, HALF OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO. AT LEAST HALF THOSE RESIDENTS SAY, NO, NO THANKS, IT'S NOT ON MY STREET. I MOVED OUT HERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. SO IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO GET CORRECTED, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HELP FROM FROM THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF NOW, NOT FOR THE THE GROUP, BUT THAT I THINK THAT'S JUST A FACT. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, CORRECTLY ADDRESSED. SO IF WE PATCH IT UP, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL BE HERE AGAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 YEARS OR AT LEAST, OR AT LEAST THE NEW RESIDENTS WHO MOVE IN WITHOUT KNOWING THE RISK. LIKE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD, ME, NOT ONE OF THEM. WE I WAS I WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE OGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 15 YEARS, NEW RESIDENTS WILL COME WITH THE SAME ISSUE WHEN THIS WHEN THIS HAPPENS ON LACEY LANE OR ON THE OTHER CURVE, WHICH HAS A SIMILAR DIP THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A SINKHOLE THERE TOO AS WELL. SO NO, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS VERY MUCH. AND I, I'M, I'M AFRAID WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EXACTLY TRUE, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE IN THIS SUBDIVISION. IT'S A BUSY ROAD. YOU'RE RIGHT. 548 AND POETRY IS A VERY BAD INTERSECTION. WE'VE WE'VE GOT MONEY TO IMPROVE POETRY, BUT WE COULDN'T GET IT THAT TIED INTO THAT TO FIX THAT CORNER NOW. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY WE WILL BECAUSE IT'S A TERRIBLE CORNER. AND BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE AGAIN, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO FIX THAT HOLE WITH COUNTY MONEY, IT WOULD BE DONE. THERE 
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JUST ISN'T. AND I'VE GONE TO OUR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ASKED MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. I'VE GONE TO OUR AUDITORS SAYING, IS THERE SOME. I'VE EVEN CALLED OUR BOND COUNSEL IN HIS. 
          BECAUSE IS THERE SOME WAY THAT I COULD TAKE MONEY OUT OF MY DISCRETIONARY FUNDS? BECAUSE EACH COMMISSIONER HAS A POOL OF $4 MILLION OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD TAKE MONEY OUT OF THAT? BECAUSE IT'S I GET TO DIRECT WHERE I WANT TO PUT IT IN. THE ANSWER WAS NO. SO IT'S A SITUATION WHERE I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO GET HARD TO PEOPLE TO GET PUT A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY. I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD TO TO THE RESIDENTS, I WOULD SAY THINK ABOUT LONG TERM. YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS WILL BE WORSE. THERE MAY BE ANOTHER SINKHOLE A MONTH AWAY FROM HAPPENING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE STILL GOT THE REST OF MAY WITH HEAVY RAINS. AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THESE DRAIN THESE HOLES TO DEVELOP. WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN. I I'VE TOLD I'VE TOLD THE COMMUNITY AND I'LL TELL YOU ALL HERE RIGHT NOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. I WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN FIGURE OUT TO DO IT. BUT WE NEED HELP FROM THE SUBDIVISION TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE JUST SIMPLY ARE NOT LEGALLY ABLE TO DO IT. GIVEN THE SAFETY CLAUSE THAT YOU NOTED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE COULD BE LOTS OF SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARISE FROM THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT SAFETY CLAUSE ALLOW THE COUNTY TO, IF NOT TAKE CARE OF IT, THEN TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENT HELP OUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JOIN FORCES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REDUCE COSTS. I TRUST YOU. IF I, IF WE COULD, I WOULD I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S TERRIBLY DANGEROUS. IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION. I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED LAST AUGUST. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH THIS FOR NINE MONTHS. AND THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, ERICA CAN TELL YOU, THE DAY I GOT THE CALL, I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH HER AND THE ROAD AND BRIDGE. CRAIG STODDARD ARE FROM OUR DA'S OFFICE. CAN TELL YOU. I WAS TALKING TO HIM. I WAS TALKING TO LISA. I MEAN, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT WITH WITH COUNTY MONEY. SO IS THAT'S KIND OF WE'VE GOT ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO. AND WE'LL LET YOU. BUT WE NEED HELP FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IF IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AS A COUNTY, AND I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TAXPAYERS JUST LIKE I AM, AND YOU'RE PAYING COUNTY TAXES AND YOU DESERVE, IN MY OPINION, COUNTY BENEFITS. AND I THINK THIS I HAVE NEVER BEEN A FAN OF PRIVATE ROADS EITHER IN THE CITY OF HEATH, WHERE I LIVE OR IN THE COUNTY. DIFFERENT PEOPLE TAKE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ON THIS RIGHT NOW. I'LL LET ONE MORE PERSON SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL START DOWN WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M BILL MASON. I LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. IF IT WAS A COUNTY ROAD NOW. THE COUNTY WOULD NOT SPEND $3 MILLION ON OUR SUBDIVISION. THE WHOLE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE FIXED, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING KIND OF WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DO THAT. BUT WE I THINK WE SHOULD SOMEHOW GET RID OF THIS $3 MILLION NUMBER. MOST OF THAT IS INVOLVED IN TEARING UP THE. THE CONCRETE STREETS ARE IN THE SUBDIVISION, HAVE SOME MINOR CRACKS IN THEM. AND THIS $3 MILLION INVOLVED IN CRACKING UP THAT CONCRETE, REBUILDING THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED, THE 20 FOOT SECTION AND THEN RE POURING CONCRETE. YOU ALL ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. WELL, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT $3 MILLION PROJECT, YOU I THINK YOU COULD TAKE OVER THE SUBDIVISION AND NOT SPEND ANY MONEY ON IT FROM A AGAIN AGAIN STANDPOINT, OTHER THAN FIXING THE THE ROAD, THOSE THE ROADS IN OUR SUBDIVISION ARE AT LEAST ARE. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT BECAUSE IT'S. MY PERSONAL OPINION ARE BETTER THAN MOST SUBDIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY BY FAR. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD NOT COST THE COUNTY TO TAKE OUR SUBDIVISION IN. AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT THE REAL COST OF TAKING THE SUBDIVISION IN WOULD BE. THAT'S KIND OF MY COMMENT. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND $3.2 MILLION. I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE 
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YOU $3.2 MILLION. NOBODY DOES. WE WOULD DO IT AS CHEAPLY AS WE COULD. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE COST BREAKOUT ROAD REPAIRS FOR THE CONCRETE AND REPAIRING THE PAVING IS ONLY $850,000 ONLY. I KNOW IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S ONLY $850,000. THE REST ARE DRAINAGE. MY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAVE SAID WE'RE IN A. IN THE NATURE OF WHY CAN'T I JUST FIX ROADS, THE CONCRETE AND. WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THE DRAINAGE? AND THE ANSWER WAS BECAUSE IN THE STATUTE, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE STATUTE WHERE IT SAYS WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNTY STANDARDS, ROADS FROM FROM OUR OUR ENGINEERING STAFF, FROM OUR LEGAL STAFF. ROADS INCLUDE DRAINAGE TO BRING THEM TO COUNTY STANDARDS. AND AGAIN, I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS, IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO GO THROUGH THIS, WE WILL DO IT AS INEXPENSIVELY AS WE CAN. I, I DON'T WANT TO RUN THIS UP AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MAKING MONEY OFF IT. I THINK THAT MAY TO BE WHERE WE MAY END UP. WE NEED. I THINK THE RESIDENTS NEED SOME KIND OF ASSURANCE THAT WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF EXPENDITURES. LET ME SAY THIS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. ALMOST EVERY. EVERY BLOCK IN THE COUNTY HAS SOME ISSUE OF DRAINAGE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. EVERY SUBDIVISION HAS. BUT WE'VE BEEN IN THAT SUBDIVISION TEN YEARS AND HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY ON IT. THE CHANCES OF YOU ALL HAVING TO SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OR GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON IT IS REALLY AT THE LOWER END OF THE DEAL THAN IT IS A PROBABILITY. AND I THINK SOMEWHERE WE NEED TO COME TO SOME KIND OF A SITUATION WHERE. 
          WE CAN FEEL SOMEWHAT COMFORTABLE, OR WE'RE NOT SCARED OF AGREEING TO SOMETHING. 
          THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO US. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS. START WITH COMMISSIONER. KICK OFF SOME QUESTIONS. AND I'M GOING TO SOME OF THESE ARE PROBABLY OBVIOUS THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT FROM WAY BACK THEN. AND WE HAVE THERE'S NOTHING THAT NOTED THAT THESE ROADS WERE TO BE TURNED OVER OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION. THERE'S. HAVE WE GONE TO THE DEVELOPER TO ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY, OR ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS? I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE DEVELOPER. ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS? HE IS, BUT HE'S NOT DOING BUSINESS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY ANYMORE. HE'S NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION. HE SAID IN HIS OPINION, THESE ARE COUNTY ROADS. 
          OKAY, WELL, CAN YOU PROVE IT WITH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT HE HAD THAT JUST WASN'T EXECUTED PROPERLY? NO, THERE WAS NOTHING. HE HAS NOTHING. WE'VE ASKED HIM THAT. I'VE ASKED HIM FOR DOCUMENTATION AND HE'S PROVIDED NOTHING. OKAY. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD REPAIR AND WE'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE SINKHOLE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TO TAKE THESE ROADS, WE WANT TO MAKE THEM BRAND NEW ROADS WITH THE BEST DRAINAGE POSSIBLE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A MUD DISSOLVES AND THE COUNTY HAS TO STEP IN AND RESCUE IT. THINGS HAPPEN THAT ARE DIFFERENT. AND THE REASON WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT WHERE WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON DRAINAGE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY CAUSE THE ROAD TO FAIL AGAIN LATER, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN ALL AT ONE TIME, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE TO THE 100TH PERCENT LEVEL ALL AT ONE TIME. CAN WE NOT JUST FIX THE ROAD IF WE TAKE THIS ROAD? LISTEN, A LOT OF TIMES COUNTIES ARE FORCED TO TAKE ROADS THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, A MUD DISSOLVES AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM. THIS ISN'T EVEN THAT KIND OF SITUATION. SO IS THERE SOMETHING PREVENTING US FROM TAKING THE ROAD AS IT IS? WE HAVE TO IMPROVE IT TO THIS LEVEL TO TAKE IT. THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED. LOOK AT THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. I. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROAD TO TAKE IT AS A COUNTY ROAD? CAN WE TAKE THE ROAD IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION? CAN YOU COME UP? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAS TO BE IMPROVED, BUT SORRY. I WALKED THE SUBDIVISION WITH OUR CONSULTANT WHEN THEY. 
          YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY CREATED THE ESTIMATE. AND IT'S NOT REPLACING EVERY BIT OF CONCRETE PANEL. IT'S NOT BRAND NEW ROADS. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PANELS THAT HAD THE MOST DAMAGE AND SAYING, THIS PROBABLY HAS SUBGRADE ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE 
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CAUSING THIS TO DEGRADE THE WAY IT IS. SO WE WERE BEING SELECTIVE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE PICKING THAT NEEDED TO BE UPGRADED. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE ROADSIDE CULVERT. YEAH. WELL, LOOKING AT THE ROADSIDE DITCHES RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH CAPACITY. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS THAT DRAINAGE IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'VE EXPERIENCED FLOODING. I HAVE VIDEO FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEIR 100 YEAR FLOOD THAT WE JUST HAD. OR WAS IT IS THIS A NORMAL OCCURRENCE OF FLOODING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S NORMAL TO HAVE FLOODING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT GREAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. LIKE THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE REPAIRING A DETENTION POND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT CLEANING THE CULVERTS, REPLACING ALL THE CULVERTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FALLING APART UNDER THE ROAD, REPLACING THOSE DITCHES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET. IT WASN'T EXTENSIVE, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW ROADS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER LICHTY MENTIONED, THERE WERE FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PROVIDED. THE ONE THAT HE SHOWED YOU WAS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH WHICH IS, IS GOOD TO KNOW THE BIGGEST NUMBER. BUT THAT WAS LOOKING AT REPLACING AREAS WITH FLEX SPACE AND, AND REPLACING CONCRETE PANELS, AS WELL AS DOING THE DRAINAGE FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, BUT TO USE A LIME SLURRY TO TREAT THE SUBGRADE ON THOSE PANELS THAT ARE BEING REPLACED. AND THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT TWO OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT JUST TOOK LACEY LANE AND IMPROVED LACEY LANE, AND THEN THAT WOULD BECOME THE ONLY STREET THAT'S COUNTY OWNED AND MAINTAINED. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS WITH THE FLEX SPACE AND THE LIME SLURRY OPTIONS. AND THOSE BOTH CAME IN AROUND $1 MILLION WITH THE CONTINGENCY OF THE 30% CONTINGENCY. YEAH. IS THIS JOINTED CONCRETE THAT THEY PUT IN THERE OR IS IT JUST PANELS? IS IT JOINTED? IT'S JOINTED. 
          YES. OKAY. JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR JUST A SECOND. I THINK COMMISSIONER GALANIS STILL GOT SOME. GO AHEAD. BUT I'M NOT THIS ISN'T GOING TO GO TOO TOO FAR OFF. IS THERE KEEP JUST SAYING. PUBLIC HEALTH. SAFETY AND WELFARE. THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE STARTS OUR ABILITY TO DO THIS. THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH AND WELFARE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO TAKE OVER THE ROAD. IT ALLOWS US TO ASSESS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THERE. 
          THE COUNTY IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY ON A PRIVATE ROAD. SO I JUST AS WE'RE THINKING THROUGH THIS AND WE'RE SEEING THESE PROBLEMS AND HOW TO DO IT, IT IS BY USING PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, WE'RE ABLE TO ASSESS THE ROADS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT ON, WELL, IT'S BAD, SO GO FIX IT. WELL, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO. YEAH. AND I'VE RAN INTO THIS MORE THAN ONCE IN MY PRECINCT. SO YEAH, NOBODY IS SUGGESTING THAT WE GO FIX IT WITHOUT TAKING IT. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE LOOK AT WAYS OF TAKING IT AS IT AS IT IS AND REPAIRING IT VERY MINIMALLY. IF WE LOOKED AT IT AND I'LL ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS, HAVE WE LOOKED INTO CREATING SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND USING THE ASSESSED ASSESSMENTS ON THAT IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO PAY THE COUNTY BACK? WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE OWNERS OF DOING AN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT WILL REQUIRE EVEN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE VOTE. YOU CAN DO. WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS. 
          SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CREATING A PIT WOULD BE PROBABLY WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LOOKED INTO IS ALSO A ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN USE AS WELL. WE'VE LOOKED INTO. I HAVE NOT LOOKED. 
          WE DID LOOK INTO A PIT, NOT INTO A ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AND IF YOU WANT TO, I'D BE HAPPY TO GET IN INFORMATION YOU GOT. AND THEN THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY STILL PUT AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT ONTO YOUR TO YOUR TAXES, BUT IT MAY NOT BE AN $83,000 OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS BURDEN ALL AT ONE TIME. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO MAKE THAT LESS OF AN IMPACT. AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, COMMISSIONER, WE'VE SUGGESTED TO THEM THAT THEY CREATE A WHAT I WOULD CALL A VERY LIMITED PURPOSE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS AUTHORITY FOR ONLY MANAGING ROADS, BECAUSE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE REASON THAT IT WAS THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WAS DISCONTINUED IN 2015 WAS BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE VIEWED AS OVERREACH, WHICH WE ALL UNDERSTAND. BUT IF ALL IT HAD AUTHORITY TO DO WAS FIX ROADS AND THAT'S ALL THEY COULD DO, THEY CAN DO THIS, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT TO COUNTY STANDARDS. THEY CAN LITERALLY COME FILL THE HOLE AND DEAL THEN WITH THE NEXT HOLE WHEN IT COMES. BUT AGAIN, YOU WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN 51% APPROVAL TO GET THAT DONE. AND THERE'S BEEN GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OUT 
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THERE. WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE ON THE PIT OR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE PERCENTAGE CREATE IS? NO, I WOULD CAN'T SPEAK WITH ACCURACY, BUT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY EVEN HAVE 51% OF YOUR. I THINK THEY'RE SAYING FOR $80,000, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE 51. I THINK THEY MIGHT GET THERE WITH SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT THAT COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, PAY THE COUNTY BACK OVER TIME POTENTIALLY. RIGHT. I THINK AT THE 80,000, IT JUST TURNS PEOPLE OFF AND THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO. BUT BUT BRADEN, YOU DO UNDERSTAND. EXCUSE ME A SECOND. YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON THAT IT'S THAT HIGH IS NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO SPEND IT, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OVERAGE TO COVER. YEAH, I GET IT. I'M SAYING, IS IT ALLOWED? DANIEL? ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED? IF THEY CREATED A ROAD DISTRICT FOR THE COUNTY TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN BE PAID BACK OVER TIME BY THE ROAD DISTRICT, IS THAT EVEN ALLOWED ANY ANY TYPE OF LAW? AND IF YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, THAT'S FINE. THIS IS A DISCUSSION. BUT YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE LOOKED INTO BEFORE. BUT THEY COULD IF THEY CREATED A LIMITED HOA AND THE PIT FROM THAT, THEY COULD CAPTURE THE MONEY AND REPAY US THROUGH OUR OWN AGREEMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THAT'S KIND OF THE CORE OF WHAT I WAS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN. I I'VE SEEN IT DONE WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT UNDER A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT TO A CITY WHERE YOU CAN LOAN MONEY TO THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COUNTS FOR AN HOA. I HAVE NO IDEA. YEAH. THE RULES FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF LAW ARE VERY DIFFERENT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY HAS THAT AUTHORITY OR NOT. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. AND AGAIN, Y'ALL, I, I APPRECIATE THESE COMMENTS VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, BECAUSE I WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION SO BAD FOR THIS. IT AGAIN, THESE FOLKS LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY THEY ARE IN A HORRIBLE SITUATION WHICH NONE OF THEM CREATED. AND THERE'S GOT TO BE IF IF ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED, PLEASE TELL ME. I WILL SO HAPPILY SAY I MISSED IT. COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO. I SUPPORT A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER GALLARDO WAS SAYING, AND I DO BELIEVE WITH OUR ENGINEER THAT THE DRAINAGE IS FOUNDATIONAL TO TO, TO DOING THIS WORK. ALSO, I THINK THAT THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE DONE. IT'S JUST KIND OF THE FIRST PART IN MY OPINION. BUT WE DO HAVE FOR THE FOR THE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A ALTER THE COST AND SO FORTH WITH EITHER AN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR A PIT, I KNOW I'VE GOT THE TREASURER HERE AND THE AUDITOR. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS WHO HAVE ENTERED INTO THE SIMILAR AGREEMENT HERE FROM THE SECTION 253 AND YOUR YOUR DEPARTMENT IS MANAGING THAT THAT THAT REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FOR THE COUNTY. AND BUT THERE'S A LOT OF AND I LOOKED AT ONE THAT SOMEONE JUST PAID THEIRS OFF ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, LAST MONTH, AND IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE. SO THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE. AND THEN AT THAT, AT THE CLOSING THAT THERE WAS A CHECK THAT WAS SENT TO ROCKWALL COUNTY. YES. THIS IS WE GET PAYMENTS ON SOME OF THESE ASSESSED LIENS. JUST A FEW, MAYBE 1 OR 2 A YEAR, MAYBE ONE EVERY OTHER YEAR. AND IT'S KIND OF A JOINT OPERATION BETWEEN MY DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE AUDITORS TO MANAGE THIS. AND IF THE COURT GOES THIS ROUTE AND THE THE RESIDENTS VOTE THIS IN, THEN IT WOULD BE MANAGED SIMILARLY. IT'S VERY DAUNTING. WHEN I SAW THAT 3 MILLION AND THAT 83,000, WE GENERALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CREATIVE WAYS WE COULD MANAGE THAT OR IF THERE'S LIKE COMMISSIONER GALLINA MENTIONED, A WAY TO GET THIS, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES THIS ROUTE, MAYBE THE ASSESSMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR THE FULL 83,000. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT WE COULD MANAGE THAT. BUT BUT YES, WE WE TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND CLEAR THOSE LIENS. GENERALLY WHEN IT SEEMS MY RECOLLECTION IS IT'S MOST OFTEN WHEN THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD AND THEY'VE GOT TO CLEAR THAT. BUT WE TAKE THOSE PAYMENTS. BUT THE 83000 IS, IS A BIG, BIG CHUNK. IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT'S JUST 39 LOTS HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE HAVING TO HAVE TO BEAR THAT BURDEN. LISA, A QUESTION FOR YOU. COULD WE BID THIS OUT WITHOUT KNOWING WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WORK? SURE, SURE. YEAH. COUNTY 
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ALWAYS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YAY OR NAY AT THE END. BECAUSE ONE THING YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE, BRADEN, IS WHAT WILL THE ULTIMATE COST BE? AND IF WE WERE TO GET SPECIFICATIONS, ERIKA, IF I'M JUMPING TOO FAR OFF THE BRIDGE, TELL ME IF WE'RE TO GET SPECIFICATIONS AND ASK FOR REQUEST FOR BIDS, THEN WE WOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND YOU GUYS COULD GET A BETTER LOOK AT IT. WE WOULD STILL, I'LL TELL YOU, HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY ON IT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HIT THE NUMBER, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD. IS THAT SOMETHING, ERIKA, THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO TO COME UP WITH THOSE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REPAIRS OR WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE THE BID DOCUMENTS SOMEHOW. SO SOMEONE WOULD WRITE THE WHAT DOCUMENT THE BID SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO SCOPE IT AND WRITE THE BID IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. I'M JUST. YEAH, THAT'S A STEP WE ALWAYS FORGET BECAUSE WE ALWAYS JUST HAVE LISA GO DO IT. BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A PRETTY THICK DOCUMENT TO HIT THE STREET. GET TO GET OUT THERE. I MEAN, I HAVE NO ISSUE TAKING THOSE STEPS. I JUST I JUST DON'T KNOW THE MECHANISMS TO GET THAT DONE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT THE SCOPE WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH OF THE REPAIR WOULD HAPPEN. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL. YOU KNOW THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING ERIKA AND LISA, REALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD COME UP WITH THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY A BETTER IDEA? I THINK WE COULD. I STILL THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG NUMBER. AND I THINK ULTIMATELY, YOUR SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK REAL HARD WITHIN THEMSELVES AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER FOR YOU IN THE LONG RUN, BUT I KNOW THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY. IT'S NOT MY MONEY, RIGHT? MAY I ASK? MIGHT BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT KIND OF CLICKED WHEN HE SAID THAT THE OTHER LIENS THAT WE HAVE ARE SO SMALL, ARE SUCH MINIMAL AMOUNTS. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE THE ROAD IN AFTER? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION IN? IF WE WERE JUST REPAIRING ONE ROAD, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS TO JUST DO THE ONE ROAD AND AND ERIKA PRICE THAT OUT TO RIGHT AROUND $1 MILLION. 
          BUT THEN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT HAVE TO BUY INTO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING TOO. 
          WELL, THE PEOPLE ON THE PEOPLE ON LACEY LANE WOULD. RIGHT. AND SO YEAH, SO THEN YOU START HAVING THE LESS PEOPLE. AND SO YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, I FEEL YOUR UNDERSTANDING, LAUREN. I, CRAIG AND I, I THINK PROBABLY HAD TWO MONTHS OF CONVERSATION ON A 1500 $0 CULVERT WITH FIVE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE ROAD, AND THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THE COUNTY COULD I MEAN, WE COULD LITERALLY JUST GO DO IT WITH ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS AND WE COULDN'T DO IT. SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S A $3.2 MILLION PRICE TAG. EVEN FIXING A CULVERT ON A PRIVATE ROAD THAT WE SEE IS FAILING. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. AND IT JUST IT'S AWFUL. SO I'M JUST I MEAN, THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAN JUST THAT, BUT WE COULDN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. AND THAT WAS A VERY IN THAT STANDPOINT, IT WAS A VERY SIMPLE PROBLEM. THE ROAD HADN'T FAILED, THE CULVERT FAILED, AND WE COULDN'T EVEN REPLACE THE CULVERT. AND LET ME AGAIN, NOT PUT IN WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS TODAY, BUT FROM JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL, SO THAT WE CAN SO THAT THE FOLKS IN THIS SUBDIVISION CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING. WOULD WE BE WILLING TO LOOK AT AN EXTENDED TERM ON REPAYMENT, LIKE, LET'S SAY, 20 YEARS WITH A PAYMENT DUE ON SALE? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. LAUREN AND I, AND THIS TO ME, THIS IS NOT A MONEY PROBLEM. YEAH, THIS, THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO GET AS CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE TO FIX AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TRY TO FIX IT. THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD I WOULD TAKE WITH ANY SUBDIVISION THAT CAME FORWARD IN THIS MANNER. SO, BRADEN, WOULD IT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR FOLKS IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU KNOW, WE PUT IT ON A 20 YEAR AMORTIZATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LONGER TERM AMORTIZATION WITH A DUE ON SALE CLAUSE. AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ANY INTEREST ON IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD YOU THINK MIGHT HAVE BETTER LUCK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP POTENTIALLY. YEAH. LONGER TERM FOR SURE. YEAH. SO MAYBE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SPECIFICATIONS AND GO OUT AND EVEN TALK TO A COUPLE CONTRACTORS, MAYBE WITHOUT A FORMAL BIDDING PROCESS, BUT SOMEWHERE WE CAN GET PRETTY GOOD IDEAS BECAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO OUR ROAD CONSULTANT, FREESE NICHOLS, AND WE SAID, GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OF COST. AND THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS DRILLED DOWN AS ACTUALLY 
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LOOKING AT THE WORK. SO MAYBE IF WE COULD DO THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH SOME SORT OF MODIFIED NUMBER, KNOWING WHAT IT WOULD BE AND LOOKING AT LONGER EXTENDED TERMS, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU THINK MIGHT FIND ACCEPTANCE WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S AN UPHILL CLIMB EITHER WAY, BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT BETTER. THAT WOULD GIVE US A LOT BETTER CHANCE OF DOING THAT. THE ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, A COMPETITIVE BID. YES, BUT ESPECIALLY THE OPTION OF MAYBE JUST CORRECTING SORT OF SORT OF MINIMIZING THE TOTAL, YOU KNOW, THING HERE AND JUST CORRECTING. LACEY. I MEAN, EVEN THE RESIDENTS NOT ON LACEY. I THINK IF THERE WERE A COMPETITIVE BID THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REASONABLE, THAT WE PROBABLY COULD GET SOME BUY IN THERE. THE FLOODING I MENTIONED IS REALLY ISOLATED TO THAT SPOT BECAUSE OF A YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS IF EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING FLOODED EVERY EVERY RAIN. BUT WHEN WE DO GET A HEAVY RAIN, THAT'S THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT SPOT, INCLUDING MYSELF AND BRADEN, ARE EXPERIENCING FLOODING, BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE HOLE. SO I THINK A MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION UPDATE THERE WOULD HELP IF IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GO THAT ROUTE ONE ONE AVENUE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE IS COULD THE RESIDENTS FIX IT, THE COUNTY INSPECT IT AND THEN THE COUNTY TAKE IT. I THINK, AGAIN, IF IT WAS UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS, THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT. THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO MEET SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND ON ON THE FOLLOWING. YOU THERE. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. OKAY. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN, IF WE GOVERNMENT TYPICALLY BUILDS A ROAD 25 TO 30% HIGHER COST THAN PRIVATE COMPANIES, JUST TYPICALLY. SO IF WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING OF THE ROAD, BUT WE WERE TO INSPECT IT AND TAKE IT IN AS COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE AND DO A LEAN THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS MONEY. YOU KNOW, I, I, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT'S NOT WHAT THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO. 
          BUT IF, IF THAT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT LEGALLY TO DO IT, BUT THE STATUTE DOESN'T DO IT. I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE COULD EXPLORE THAT LEGAL ALTERNATIVE, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY WE COULD DO IT FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT. AND JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO JUST IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE ON LACEY LANE AND THEY WERE JUST TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE TIRED OF OUR ROADS BEING PRIVATE ROADS, WE JUST WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE THEM. AND THEN ACCORDING TO OUR REGS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT THEM, AND IF THEY MEET COUNTY STANDARDS, THEN WE'D ACCEPT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE UP TO Y'ALL, BUT YOU'D HAVE THE OPTION TO ACCEPT THEM. SO IF THEY BAND TOGETHER, EVEN WITHOUT THEIR HOA AND DECIDED TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COURT AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO ACCEPT OUR PRIVATE ROADS. AT THAT POINT, WE JUST LOOK AT THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN. BUT DON'T THEY STILL HAVE TO BE THE COUNTY STANDARDS? WELL, THAT'S WE WOULD WE WOULD INSPECT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING COUNTY STANDARDS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, DITCHES DUG OUT ALONG THE ROADWAYS AS WELL. BUT THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION FOR THEM TO JUST HANDLE THAT PRIVATELY. WE'VE TALKED SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT REPAIR, BUT WE WERE, SO TO SPEAK, TOLD NOT TO DO THAT. OR AT LEAST I UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE YOU ALL HADN'T. 
          YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO INSPECT IT ALONG THE WAY. SO IT GOT TO BE A. WELL, I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO INSPECT, REPAIR A PRIVATE STREETS. I DON'T I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO FIX YOUR STREET. IF WE FIX THE HOLE. WELL WOULD YOU ALL BASE IT IF WE FIX THE HOLE TO I THINK, REASONABLE STANDARDS, WOULD YOU ALL TAKE THE ROADS IN. WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'M REALLY SORRY. I KNOW, I KNOW YOU CAN'T. BUT WE'VE HAD I MEAN, EVERY SUBDIVISION HAS FLOODINGS. 
          WE'VE NOT HAD THE SERIOUS FLOODING THAT'S RUINED EVERY HOUSE IN THE SUBDIVISION. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A A I'M SORRY TO HURT SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS, BUT SO TO SPEAK, A TRIVIAL ISSUE BECAUSE NOBODY'S BEEN KILLED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING. AND, AND IF, IF THAT ROAD WAS FIXED, OUR SUBDIVISION WOULD BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY, I'M TELLING YOU. AND SO I THINK YOU COULD TAKE IT IN KNOWING THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO SPEND MUCH MONEY. AND YES, I THINK THERE'S A MOVE IN THE SUBDIVISION TO FIX THAT HOLE. YEAH. WELL, JUST TO MAKE IT 
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REAL CLEAR, AND ERIC, IF I'M WRONG, TELL ME. BUT IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND FIX IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO INSPECT THE WORK AND MAKE SURE YOU DO IT TO STANDARDS UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE ROAD IN. SO IF SOMEONE, SOMEONE IS SAYING THE COUNTY HAS TO FIX IT, THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT YEAH, BUT BUT AGAIN, UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS TO BE THE ROAD AND THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE TO COUNTY STANDARDS FOR US TO TAKE IT. SO, BUT IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO FIX IT, DON'T WAIT ON US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO INSPECT YOUR REPAIRS. RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          DRAINAGE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS TO ME, AND I'M SURE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A TOTAL RIGHT. BUT BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS IT WOULDN'T BE MY OPINION THAT MATTERED OR ANY OF THESE FOLKS OPINIONS. WHAT WOULD MATTER IS THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE COUNTY. YEAH. THEY'RE ONLINE, THEY'RE ONLINE. 
          I BELIEVE ALL THE STANDARDS ARE ONLINE. YEAH. YEAH, CERTAINLY. AND EMAIL THEM AS WELL. I'VE WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES. I WILL BE HAPPY TO MEET YOU AGAIN ANY TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. AND I WANT TO SOLVE IT AS INEXPENSIVELY AS I CAN FOR YOU. AND THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY I'VE GOTTEN FROM THIS MEETING THAT HELPS BENT REAL ESTATES IS YOU HEAR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SAYING THEY WANT TO HELP SOLVE IT TOO. SO AGAIN, WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT THE LAW SAYS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DEAL. WE HAVE TO WE'VE TAKEN AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE LAWS, SO WE HAVE TO COME TO LIVE WITH THEM. BUT WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO FIND THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY TO DO IT, TO HELP YOU. AND I PLEDGE THAT TO YOU. I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS AS A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE COUNTY. NEVER WILL. IN FACT, THE DAY WE PUT IT ON A PAYMENT PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO START LOSING MONEY BECAUSE WE WON'T BE GETTING INTEREST ON IT. THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. SO BUT I DO NEED TO WE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR SURE UNLESS WE HAVE 51% OF YOUR GROUP WITH US. AND IF IF I HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR WITH YOU TO MEET WITH PEOPLE AND EXPLAIN IT, I WILL DO IT. OKAY? BECAUSE I WANT TO FIX THIS. I LOVE FIXING ROADS. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE RESIDENTS? ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO THIS. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. I HOPE YOU'VE SEEN THE SENSE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION FOR YOU. WE REALLY DO. AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THIS. WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR NOW ON THIS ON AN ITEM THAT I KNOW IS MY PRECINCT. BUT WE ALL AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ALL FEEL THIS WAY. WE ALL REPRESENT ROCKWALL COUNTY IN TOTAL. AND TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION AND AND AGAIN, TO THE RESIDENTS OF BENT TRAIL ESTATES, I WILL. I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO MEET WITH YOU AT ANY TIME. LET'S TRY AND FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I WILL SAY I'VE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE WITH A DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION THAT HAD A PRIVATE ROAD AND HOA THAT WAS REMOVED. AND THE FIRST THING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT HOA WAS LEGALLY DISSOLVED. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHAT THE PAPERWORK SAYS AND THE CC HOURS AND THE DEEDS THEMSELVES. SO WHAT WE FIGURED OUT WITH THE OTHER SUBDIVISION IS THAT THE RESIDENTS THOUGHT THEY HAD DISSOLVED THE HOA, BUT THEY HAD NOT LEGALLY DONE THAT. AND THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IT DEFINITELY IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED HERE, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND THE PED, WHICH DO REQUIRE MUCH HIGHER. APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS FROM THE VOTERS, BUT CAN ALSO BE AMORTIZED OVER A MUCH LONGER PERIOD. YEAH. AND THOSE ALSO HAVE LEGAL ELEMENTS RELATED TO INTEREST AMORTIZATION AND CAN MAKE THE COSTS LOWER AND DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS THAT TRANSPORTATION CODE REQUIREMENT. GOOD. SO IF WE NEED TO, WE COULD EVEN, WE COULD SET UP A MEETING WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, WOULD WANT TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO GET PREPARED FOR IT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. I AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, I'M A LAWYER, BUT I'M AS I'VE AS I'VE TOLD YOU GUYS, I CAN'T BE YOUR LAWYER. BUT I'VE ASKED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS ALSO FOR SOMEBODY TO PLEASE SEND ME YOUR HOMEOWNERS DECLARATION AND THE COPY OF YOUR ORIGINAL. HOA DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE I WILL LOOK 
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AT THEM AND TELL YOU WHAT I THINK. I'VE LOOKED AT MANY, MANY HOA DOCUMENTS OVER THE YEARS, BUT NOBODY HAS EVER SENT THEM TO ME. SO IF YOU COULD SEND THOSE TO ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THEM AND TELL YOU WHAT I THINK. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. ARE THOSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS. YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT THEM WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR PROPERTY. OKAY. WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY BY THE BUILDER. OKAY, OKAY. IT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED TO US WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, EITHER BY THE BUILDER OR THE REAL ESTATE AGENT OR THE SELLER, THAT THOSE ROADS WERE PRIVATE ROADS. WE ONLY REALIZED THAT THEY WERE PRIVATE ROADS. WHEN WE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THE SINKHOLE. SO I'VE LOOKED AT OUR DEED. WE HAVE NOTHING ON OUR DEED TO INDICATE THAT THE ROADS ARE PRIVATE. WE HAVE NO ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WAS FORMED BY THE ORIGINAL BUILDER OF THE SUBDIVISION, WHO SUBSEQUENTLY SUBSEQUENTLY WENT BANKRUPT. THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE SUBDIVISION HALTED AND THEN HE REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER BUILDER, AND THAT BUILDER PURCHASED THOSE LOTS AND RESUMED CONSTRUCTION. IN THE MEANTIME. IN THOSE YEARS WHERE IT SAT EMPTY AND WITH NO ACTION, THE THE FEW RESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE FROM THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT DISSOLVED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO THOSE OF US THAT PURCHASED PROPERTY WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS RE REBORN WITH A DIFFERENT BUILDER NEVER HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. I DON'T DOUBT A WORD YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? COULD YOU. TIM WOODS KIM. KIM WOODS. YES. AND I'LL ASK OUR COUNTY CLERK WHO IS THE MASTER OF FINDING EVERYTHING RECORDED. YES. JENNIFER, IF YOU COULD LOOK AND SEE IF THERE ARE EITHER RESTRICTIONS OF RECORD THAT WERE FILED OR A DECLARATION WHICH SETS OUT ALL THIS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE ROAD, SOMEONE, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN HOA DOCUMENTS. EXACTLY. AND AGAIN, IF I CAN GET COPIES OF THOSE, I WILL READ THEM AND I WILL HELP YOU WORK THROUGH THEM. YES, BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT HUNDREDS OF THOSE TYPE OF DOCUMENTS, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO SOME LEGWORK TO GET THOSE AVAILABLE TO US, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. GIVE ME A CALL AFTERWARDS. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. AND JENNIFER, IF YOU COULD LOOK THAT FOR THAT AND GET IT TO ME, I'D 
          [10.	Discuss/Act on approving the final plat of Lots 1 & 2, Block A of Ostrander Addition subject to approval of a Subdivision Waiver to Section 5.4.7.B of the Rockwall County Subdivision and Land Development Regulations (RCSLDR) and conditioned on the developer bearing a portion of the costs of county infrastructure per Section 5.10.1 of the RCSLDR, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty - County Engineer)]
APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. TO ITEM TEN, WHICH IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON APPROVING THE FINAL PLAT OF LOTS ONE AND TWO BLOCK A OF OSTRANDER ADDITION, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A SUBDIVISION WAIVER TO SECTION 5.4.7 B OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND CONDITIONED UPON THE DEVELOPER BEARING A PORTION OF THE COST OF THE COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE PER SECTION 5.1 10.1 OF OUR COUNTY REGULATIONS DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AND THIS AGAIN IS IN PRECINCT THREE. IT'S A SMALL SUBDIVISION, A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. AND ERICA WILL EXPLAIN TO US WHAT'S GOING ON. YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A SMALL TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, AND I COME BEARING SHOW AND TELL TODAY. I JUST THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE EASIER TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PLAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE'S THE TWO ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY MENTIONED. ONE IS THE WAIVER REQUEST TO FLAG LOTS, AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL ON THE WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE FLAG. LOTS. THAT FLAG LOTS ARE DISCUSSED IN SECTION 5.4.7 SECTION A OF OF THAT SECTION 5.4.7 POINT A SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO FLAG LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN TWO ACRES. THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT THE. THE B SECTION DOES NOT SPECIFY A SIZE. SO I TOOK THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THAT. IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT FLAG LOTS IN GENERAL. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS SUBDIVISION 
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WAIVER REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE A FLAG LOT AS LOT NUMBER TWO, LOT NUMBER ONE. 
          SORRY, LET ME GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO JUST TO SET THIS STAGE FOR YOU ON THE TOP HALF, THAT IS THE DARKER BLUE AREA IS LOT NUMBER ONE. AND IT'S CURRENTLY ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH SOME STORAGE UNITS AND AN OFFICE SPACE. THE THE OTHER LOT THAT'S IN LIGHT BLUE IS NOT CURRENTLY DEVELOPED. IT'S JUST AN AGRICULTURAL USE AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A MATCH LINE. SO THE PIECE ON THE BOTTOM, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, SHOULD BE CARRIED UP AND IT SHOULD BE ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN TO CONTINUE THAT LOT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO. THIS WAIVER REQUEST IS FOR THAT THAT LARGER TRACT, THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL TO ALLOW IT TO BE A FLAG LOT, A PLATTED FLAG LOT. IN TOTAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 ABOUT 26 ACRES TOTAL. SO THIS ONE, THE SMALLER LOT IS ACTUALLY 1.862 ACRES. SO TAKE ABOUT OUT ABOUT TWO ACRES. SO 24.04 ACRES IS WHAT, WHAT LOT NUMBER TWO WOULD BE. AND THEN BEFORE YOU ARE THE SUBDIVISION WAIVER CRITERIA AND I BELIEVE IT DOES MEET ALL THE WAIVER CRITERIA. THE FIRST ITEM IS NOT TO CIRCUMVENT THE NORMAL PLATTING OF STREETS FOR PUBLIC AND EMERGENCY ACCESS. SO I BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY INCLUDED A 75 FOOT FRONTAGE ON POETRY, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THE ADEQUATE RIGHT OF WAY TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND STREET. YOU NEED AT LEAST 50 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND A STREET. IF THEY WERE TO SUBDIVIDE FURTHER, THEY COME IN AND PLAT LATER AND CREATE A SUBDIVISION ON THAT BACK PORTION TO EXTEND THE STREET. 
          THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WITH THAT 75 FOOT FLAG THAT GOES OUT TO POETRY. SO I BELIEVE THAT IS ADDRESSED. THE SECOND ONE DOES NOT PREVENT THE EXTENSION OF STREETS TO ADJACENT UNSUBDIVIDED PROPERTIES. I JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD PREVENT THE EXTENSION OF STREETS WITH THIS FLAG. LOT NUMBER THREE, THE LOT FRONTAGE IS NO LESS THAN 75FT. AGAIN, I MENTIONED THEY ARE PROVIDING A 75 FOOT FRONTAGE ON POETRY ROAD. SO I BELIEVE THAT ONE'S ADDRESSED. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS TRACTS OF LAND INCLUDED IN THE SUBDIVISION OR ADJOINING. PROPERTIES ARE NOT LANDLOCKED OR LIMITED IN ACCESS TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AGAIN, AS THE LOTS AROUND IT DEVELOP, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN MOST LIKELY AND PLAT THOSE PROPERTIES. BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE LOTS AROUND IT, ALL OF THEM CURRENTLY HAVE SOME SORT OF STREET ACCESS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A LANDLOCKED TRACK IS BEING CREATED WITH THIS FLAG LOT. I'M GOING TO GO BACK REAL QUICK. SO WE DISCUSSED THE WAIVER REQUEST. THE BOTTOM LEFT PORTION SPEAKS ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. 
          THEY FORMALLY REQUESTED TO HAVE THEIR APPORTIONMENT LOOKED AT OR DETERMINED LESS THAN 30 DAYS AGO. SO WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR OUR CONSULTANT TO HELP US DETERMINE THE APPORTIONMENT FEES. SO SECTION 5.1 SPEAKS TO THE APPORTIONMENT COST FOR COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT ITEM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED STILL BEFORE THE PLAT IS FILED. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE IF IT'S FEES, WHATEVER THOSE FEES MAY BE, THAT THOSE ARE PAID BEFORE THE PLAT GETS FILED. HOW MANY DAYS HAVE WE ALREADY IN ON THAT 30 DAY? THEY HAVE ABOUT EIGHT MORE DAYS. SO WITH THAT, I AM OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY THAT WASN'T TOO CONFUSING. ANY QUESTIONS? SO THE REQUEST WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE FLAG LOT, STATING THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE APPORTIONMENT AND CONDITIONED UPON THE FINAL PLAT APPROVED. YEAH. AND EMPHASIZE TO OUR CONSULTANT THAT THERE MAY BE EIGHT DAYS LEFT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET IT ON THE EIGHTH DAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET A LETTER OUT AND EXPLAIN TO THOSE 
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FOLKS WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS OR COMMENTS? JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. WHY AREN'T WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THESE APPORTIONMENT THINGS IN HOUSE? WHY ARE WE SENDING THESE TO THE CONSULTANT TO DO. I DO THINK THAT WAS PART OF. THAT'S MORE FOR YOU, I GUESS, ON THE INTERVIEWING PROCESS. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE'RE STILL DOING THAT. I MEAN, I HAVE DONE SOME IN-HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NOTICE WITH THE CHAVEZ PLAT, I BROUGHT THAT TO YOU. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD DETERMINED. I HAD ALSO IN HOUSE LOOKED AT THE GOLIAD PLAT THAT RECENTLY CAME TO Y'ALL. I, I HONESTLY SENT THIS TO THEM JUST TO KEEP CONSISTENCY. THE CHAVEZ PLAT WAS A VERY SMALL TWO RESIDENTIAL LOT PLAT, AND THEN THE GOLIAD PLAT WAS ALSO ONE THAT WAS IT WASN'T FEES, IT WAS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY WERE PUTTING INTO PLACE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A, ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS MORE, MORE SIMPLE. SO MAYBE WE'LL TALK MORE IN THE BUDGET CYCLE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALSO RUNNING ON A SHOESTRING A LITTLE BIT. SO I GET I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DRAG OUT OF YOU A LITTLE BIT WAS JUST A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, PRE-BUDGET TALK. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO MOST OF THESE IN HOUSE FOR CONSISTENCY, JUST FOR THE REASON YOU STATED THAT WE'RE NOT SENDING SOME AND TAKING SOME. AND I THINK. WELL, AND KEEP IN MIND TOO, WITH THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ROADWAY APPORTIONMENT FEES. SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL SEE MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THIS BEING DONE IN HOUSE. YEAH. AND THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO COME UP WITH A STANDARD FOR DOING IT. AND. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN OR I CAN MAKE THE MOTION MYSELF. SINCE IT'S PRECINCT THREE, I GUESS I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR LOTS ONE AND TWO, BLOCK A OF THE OSTRANDER ADDITION, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF OR WITH APPROVING A SUBDIVISION WAIVER AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 5.4.7 B OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND SUBJECT TO AND CONDITIONED UPON THE DEVELOPER BEARING A PORTION OF THE COSTS OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE PER SECTION FIVE POINT 10.1 OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. I'LL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY ME AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES FOUR TO NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK 
          [11.	Discuss/Act upon bid from Cardinal Strategies Construction Services, LLC, for mowing NRCS Lakes in Rockwall County, and all related matters; (Commissioner Liechty)]
YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ERIKA. OKAY. NEXT ITEM, DISCUSS AND ACT UPON CARDINAL STRATEGIES CONFERENCE OR SORRY CARDINAL STRATEGIES CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR MOWING NRCS LAKES IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ALL RELATED MATTERS THAT HAS MY NAME ON IT. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 28. ARE NRCS LAKES IN OUR COUNTY. ATTACHED TO THIS IS A BID FOR MOWING OF ALL THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LAKES AT A COST OF $18,300. ACCORDING TO MY REVIEW, WE HAVE $43,847 IN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND FOR LAKES. THAT'S ITEM 020-7 HUNDRED DASH 494. AS I READ IT. 
          LISA, THIS WAS BID WAS PRESENTED AND RECOMMENDED BY OWN THESE FOLKS. I HAD SOMEONE ASK DIDN'T DOESN'T OWN DO THIS MOWING HIMSELF AND HE TOLD ME NOT ANYMORE. SO HE'S WON A CONTRACT IT OUT. SO ANYWAY THAT'S THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. IT'S FOR A ONE TIME MOWING OWN ALSO TOLD ME WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM THAT WE DO IT ONCE A YEAR. AND IF WE'RE VERY AMBITIOUS OR HAVE TIME, HE WOULD DO IT TWICE A YEAR. BUT ONCE A YEAR WAS ABOUT WHAT THEY DID. SO QUESTIONS? THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE BID FROM CARDINAL STRATEGIES CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, LLC FOR MOWING THE NRC'S LAKES IN ROCKWALL COUNTY AT A PRICE OF $18,300. I'LL SECOND IT. THERE'S A MOTION BY MYSELF AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, VOTE AND IT PASSES FOUR TO 
          [12.	Discuss/Act on updates of the Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty - County Engineer)]
NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 12 DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES TO THE ROCKWALL COUNTY 
          [02:25:04]
MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. AND ERICA HAS BROUGHT US AN UPDATE ON THAT, SO GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY NICE SLIDES FOR YOU TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A REALLY QUICK UPDATE. I WANT TO START GIVING YOU MORE OF THESE UPDATES LIKE SAL GIVES ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANTED TO REPORT AT THIS POINT IS THAT OUR SURVEY FOR THE PUBLIC HAS CLOSED. IT CLOSED ON SUNDAY THE 10TH, AND WE DID GET MORE FEEDBACK, 969 CONTRIBUTIONS, WHICH WAS MADE UP OF 698 SURVEYS, AS WELL AS 271 MAP COMMENTS. AND THEN TOTAL. WE HAD 1668 VISITORS TO THE WEBSITE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO GET FEEDBACK. WE ACTUALLY, THE LAST TWO WEEKENDS, JIM BARTOW, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH WERE AT THE ROCKWALL FARMERS MARKET IN THE MORNING. AND WE WERE JUST WE GOT SOME REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC IN PERSON, PROBABLY A LOT MORE THOROUGH COMMENTS THAN WHAT WHAT'S EVEN GOING TO BE IN THE SURVEYS. BUT ANYWAY, WE JUST WANT TO SAY TO WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT TOOK TIME TO TAKE THE SURVEY, SPEAK WITH US, OFFER MAP COMMENTS, AND, AND WE, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS, IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL TO US HAVING A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THE DATA IS UTILIZED BY FREEZE AND NICHOLS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE MODELING EFFORTS RIGHT NOW AND ANALYZING THE DATA. SO EXCITING TIMES. YOU KNOW, THE WE GOT A, A INFORMATION ON IT, WHICH I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK, AS ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT, THAT THE THING THAT STRUCK ME MORE THAN ANYTHING WAS ONE OF THE RESPONSES ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT, ARE WE ARE YOU YOUR OPINION ON THE ROADS? AND IT STARTED FROM REALLY HORRIBLE. NOW, THAT'S NOT THE TECHNICAL TERM TO VERY POOR TO OKAY AND NEUTRAL, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF I CAN LIVE WITH IT, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE AND FROM NEUTRAL TO GOOD WAS LESS THAN 10% OF OUR CITIZENS. SO IF WE HAVE LESS THAN 10% OF OUR CITIZENS SAYING THAT THEY'RE EVEN ACCEPTABLE OR NEUTRAL ON IT, THAT IS ALL THE CHARGE WE NEED TO BUILD MORE ROADS, IMPROVE OUR ROADS, REPAIR OUR STREETS, ETC. WELL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ERICA ON THIS AND TO TAKE THAT DATA TO TO, YOU KNOW, TXDOT AND, AND THE COG AND SHOW THEM TO LIKE, HEY, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ROADS AREN'T EVEN COUNTY MAINTAINED. THE ONES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE ARE SO TERRIBLE. YES. SO ANYWAY, THANKS SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR GETTING THE EXTRA EVERYBODY WHO WORKED TO GET ALL THE RESPONSES WE COULD BECAUSE WE WANT AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN, 
          [13.	Discuss/Act on updates of the Strategic Plan 2050 Implementation Management Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]
OBVIOUSLY. OKAY, THAT'S ITEM 12. LET'S GO TO ITEM 13, WHICH IS DISCUSSED, AND ACT ON THE UPDATES TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN 2050 IMPLEMENTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN. WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK CAMI MAY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AS WELL. BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE COURT AS FAR AS LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STATUSES AND MAKING THOSE UPDATES. AND WE'VE KIND OF DECIDED, I THINK WE WANT TO TRY TO MAYBE ON A, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. CAMI AND I DISCUSSED THAT MAYBE WE'LL, WE'LL EACH TALK ABOUT IF ANYTHING HAS CHANGED IN ANY OF OUR, OUR GOALS OR ANY, ANY OF THE INITIATIVES HAVE HAD ANY MORE MOVEMENT ON THEM, BUT WE'LL TRY TO DO IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS BECAUSE ONCE A MONTH OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH, THAT'S THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON. AND WE MAY FIND THAT EVEN AT A QUARTERLY BASIS, OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO DO, LIKE AT SIX MONTH AND ONE YEAR FOR SURE, TIME PERIOD. BUT I DO THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU'RE A LOT OF YOUR TEAMS AND YOURSELVES HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF WORK INTO WHAT IS BEING SEEN ON THE WEBSITE, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING TO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THIS RESULTS HERE FROM, FROM OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR TRANSPORTATION SURVEY. AND IT'S STILL NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING. BUT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE MAKING MOVEMENTS ON IT, SO I'M EXCITED. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, CAMI, THAT WE NEED TO SAY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. UNLESS ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR HER OR 
          [14.	Discuss/Act on calling a Public Hearing regarding the installation of Stop signs at the intersection of Blockdale and Creshaw, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - County Engineer)]
COMMENTS ON THIS, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 14, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT ON CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF STOP SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BLOCK DALE. 
          [02:30:04]
AND I THINK THAT'S CRENSHAW, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CRENSHAW AND ALL RELATED ISSUES, COMMISSIONER STACY. SO THESE ARE TWO COUNTY ROADS. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PUT IN STOP SIGNS BASED UPON TRAFFIC PATTERNS. WE DID TALK TO TXDOT, FUNNY ENOUGH, AT A THOROUGHFARE HEARING AT CHANDLER IS WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH TXDOT ON HOW TO DO THIS. AND WHAT DO WE DO? THERE IS AN ORDER FOR A STOP SIGN TO BE ENFORCEABLE. THERE ARE STEPS WE HAVE TO TAKE BASED UPON EVERYTHING THAT ERIC AND I COULD COME UP WITH, BASED UPON FEEDBACK OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN THERE. WHEN CRENSHAW IS FULLY DONE, THE INTENTION WAS TO ALWAYS ADD THE STOP SIGN BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT ROADWAY, BUT NOW IS MORE OF THE TIME. 
          THERE'S SOME CUT THROUGH INTO HUNT COUNTY THAT GOES OVER THERE AND LATE AT NIGHT. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT ROAD TAKES A 90 DEGREE TURN AND THEY END UP IN A BARN AT LEE. AND EVERY TIME THEY DO, I GET A PHONE CALL. SO ABOUT EVERY OTHER MONDAY, I GET A PHONE CALL ABOUT A CAR BEING IN A BARN AT 2453 AND, AND THIS ROAD, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A TXDOT PROBLEM. OUR CONVERSATION WITH TXDOT MADE IT SO THAT THAT WAS A COUNTY INTERSECTION. SO THAT CHANGED THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF WHAT WE CAN DO. IT'S OURS. SO WHAT DO WE DO? SO FOR THE THREE OF US THAT HAVE COUNTY ROADS, LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH HOW TO ADD A STOP SIGN. IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO, YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE THAT THE ENGINEER AGREES, WHICH WE HAVE DONE. YOU HAVE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE TO RUN THE NOTICE FOR 30 DAYS IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ENTER THE ORDER. AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT STOP SIGNS TO CONFORM TO THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE INSTALLED, IT BECOMES LEGAL. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT TRYING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 23RD, BOTTOM LINE. AND THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS. ERICA HAS WRITTEN THE NEWSPAPER NOTICE. AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE GETTING IT NOTICED, GETTING IT OUT THERE AND STARTING THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO GET STOP SIGNS PUT IN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, BUT NO ACTION TO TAKE. NO. WE HAVE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 23RD FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A STOP SIGN AT ROCHDALE AND CRENSHAW ROAD. 
          I ALSO WANT TO AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR TO PUBLISH, IN ACCORDANCE TO ALL STATE LAWS FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT TIME WILL THAT PUBLIC HEARING BE? IT'LL BE IN OUR NORMAL, DURING OUR NORMAL, DURING OUR NORMAL JUNE 23RD MEETING RIGHT HERE AT 9 A.M. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, BUT BEFORE WE GET A SECOND, AS LONG AS ERICA'S GOING TO GIVE ME THE WORDING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN GET IT IN THE PAPER FOR HER. I CAN GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE PAPER. WHICHEVER WAY. I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU. YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO HAVE YOU. YOU'RE USED TO DOING IT. WE'LL JUST SEND IT OVER TO YOU. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. CAN I MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION? I THINK YOU SAID A STOP SIGN, BUT IT'S TWO STOP SIGNS, TWO STOP SIGNS, TWO STOP SIGNS AT CRENSHAW AND BLUFFDALE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GHAILANI. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE IN THE PASSES. FOUR TO NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY 
          [15. CONSENT AGENDA]
MUCH. OKAY, OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH H. I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES FOUR 
          [16.	PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]
TO NOTHING. OKAY, GREAT. LET'S MOVE ON TO PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS. 
          16 A IS TO DISCUSS AN ACT ON APPROVING THE FOLLOWING PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND DISPOSITIONS OF FIXED ASSETS. THE COUNTY JAIL TO PURCHASE FROM CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR DRAWER LATERAL FILE CABINET LETTER. LEGAL SIZE LOCKABLE AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF $1,077.87. 
          AND B COUNTY SHERIFF RENOVATION PROJECT TO PURCHASE FROM ARPA FUNDS. ADDING FILE STORAGE AND MOVING EXISTING STORAGE AT A COST OF 15,000 ZERO $58.25. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS? SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCCAULEY. I'LL SECOND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES FOUR TO 
          [17.	NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]
          [02:35:05]
NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S GO TO ITEM 17. NON EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS. 
          FIRST ITEM IS A TRANSFER OF $4,000 WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO CONSTABLE NUMBER TWO FOR GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE FROM CONTINGENCY RESULTING IN A COST OF A REPAIR NEEDED TO THE CONSTABLE'S VEHICLE. AND ALL THIS INFORMATION WAS SET FORTH IN YOUR PACKET. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? SO MOVED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES FOUR TO NOTHING. AND ITEM 18, APPROVAL OF BILLS, ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS AND 
          [18.	APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]
PAYROLLS. AND WE'LL ASK OUR AUDITOR TO WALK US THROUGH THIS, PLEASE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 
          I'M SUBMITTING TO THE COURT. PAID CLAIMS THE AMOUNT OF $356,688.62, AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. AND I WILL SECOND THAT THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE YET. THANKS. OKAY, OKAY. THAT PASSES FOR TONIGHT. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING TO THE COURT UNPAID CLAIMS. THE AMOUNT OF $1,074,510.87. AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, AND I'LL SECOND IT. 
          PLEASE. VOTE. PASSES 4 TO 0. AND AND THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING APRIL 25TH, 2026 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,206,896.31, AND I ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. 
          MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA AND I WILL SECOND IT. PLEASE VOTE PASSES FOUR TO NOTHING. 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION]
THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AND ITEM IN THE ORDER DEEMED APPROPRIATE, AS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 551, THE OPEN MEETINGS, SUBCHAPTER D TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL ON THOSE ITEMS. ITEM A PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND ATTORNEY CLIENT INFORMATION. THAT'S A DISCUSSION OF THE D.R. HORTON LITIGATION AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO READ B AND C, BUT B IS REAL ESTATE MATTERS, C IS PERSONNEL MATTERS. D ADVICE OF COUNSEL NOTICE TO CURRENT RECIPIENTS OF CLARIFICATION REGARDING COUNTY DEFINITION OF INDIGENT HEALTH CARE SERVICES AND TWO DISCUSSION OF TEXDOT MULTIPLE USE AGREEMENT AND THEN E IS SECURITY RELATED MATTERS. 
          F IS CONTRACT DELIBERATIONS AND G IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS. AND AT 1151 WE ARE IN 
          [20.	RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]
IT IS 1230 AND. PLUS AN HOUR AND 31 MINUTES OR AN HOUR AND ONE MINUTE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY 1:31 P.M. AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. WE ARE NO LONGER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I WILL SAY THAT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TEX DOT MULTI USE AGREEMENT PENDING LEGAL APPROVAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES FOUR ZERO. OKAY. 
          [COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]
COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS. BOBBY. I WOULD SAY I JUST WANT TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON A COUPLE OF EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY COMING UP THIS FRIDAY AT LIBERTY HALL AT THE BIG COURTHOUSE. WE HAVE A REDEDICATION EVENT WHERE A REDEDICATION TO GOD EVENT STARTS AT 10 A.M. WE HAVE SEVERAL FAITH LEADERS AND SOME SPECIAL GUESTS COMING TO SPEAK. 
          WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE PRAISE AND WORSHIP IN BETWEEN, AND WE'LL HAVE A FREE LUNCH, FREE ADMISSION, FREE LUNCH FOR EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO ATTEND. AND ON THE 18TH, WHICH IS MONDAY, THERE IS AN EVENT BEING HELD BY AMBASSADORS FOR ISRAEL INTERNATIONAL AT THE BAGEL LADY STARTING AT 6 P.M. FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO ATTEND, ABTIN VAZIRI, WHO IS BORN IN IRAN AND 
          [02:40:05]
NOW LIVES HERE, IS GOING TO COME AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ABOUT HIS PERSONAL STORY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR LEADING THAT EVENT ON FRIDAY. THE REDEDICATION TO GOD EVENT. I APOLOGIZE IF I WON'T BE HERE BECAUSE MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU FOR LEADING IT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO JUST LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT LAST WEEK I ATTENDED THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES, ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE WITH ME. AND I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT. WE DID RECEIVE SOME OUR CE CREDITS, BUT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE CE CREDITS WAS THE RELATIONSHIPS WE BUILT WITH OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGES, AS WELL AS THE CONTENT OF THE OF THE THE CONFERENCE ALSO, AS FAR AS EVENTS GOING ON THIS THIS SUNDAY, THE THE 17TH IS THE 21ST ANNUAL CARS FOR CASA THAT IS PUT ON THROUGH OUR CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, CASS CASA. AND I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW. THAT'LL BE STARTING AT. I THINK ONE AT 10:00 IS. REGISTRATION THEN RUNS THROUGH ABOUT 130, AND THEN THEY WILL BE GIVING AWARDS AT 4 P.M. IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THAT IS AT THE ROCKWELL COUNTY COURTHOUSE THERE ON YELLOW JACKET. AND THEN THE LAST THING, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO JUST PUT THIS TO YOU, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, OKAY, ON THE NEXT, NEXT, NEXT SET FOLLOWING SATURDAY, THE 20, THE 23RD, WHICH IS THE WEEKEND OF MEMORIAL DAY. SO THIS IS SATURDAY THE 23RD. IT'S ALSO ELECTION DAY, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY. WE WILL BE HAVING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THE DEDICATION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS MEMORIAL THAT THAT WE HAVE HERE OR MONUMENT AND AT THIS AT THIS COURTHOUSE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE THAT FACES THE SAN JACINTO STREET. AND I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME. THAT WILL BE AT 3 P.M. AND PROBABLY WILL LAST ABOUT AN HOUR. BUT IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT I'M EXCITED THAT ROCKWALL COUNTY HAS STEPPED UP AND HAS DONE SOMETHING. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT MY PEERS HERE, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, HAS PUT IN FOR THAT. SO THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. COMMISSIONER STACEY, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THESE WONDERFUL EVENTS. I THINK THAT LAST WEEK, THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER WAS PRETTY AWESOME. ON THURSDAY, A LOT OF WONDERFUL EVENTS. THANK YOU, BOBBY, FOR PUTTING ON THE EVENT FRIDAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH AND LAUREN. AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN COMING FROM MARY. SO I WANT TO THANK MARY LICHTY AS WELL FOR FOR ORGANIZING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. I DO. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT. THIS STUFF IS SUPER IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR US. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT MAKES ROCKWALL COUNTY SO SPECIAL IS LEADERS, NOT US, BUT JUST LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP UP AND AND RUN WITH THIS STUFF. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU THERE, JOHN. IN CONTINUING WITH MY THEME, I'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO MONTHS THIS WEEK IN 100 YEARS, 200 YEARS AGO, 250 YEARS AGO, MAY 4TH THROUGH 10TH, THINGS ARE HEATING UP AS OUR NATION MOVES CLOSER TO A FORMAL SEPARATION FROM GREAT BRITAIN. ON MAY 4TH, 1776, RHODE ISLAND, THE COLONY FOUNDED BY THE MOST RADICAL RELIGIOUS DISSENTERS FROM THE PURITANS, BECOMES THE FIRST NORTH AMERICAN COLONY TO RENOUNCE ITS ALLEGIANCE TO KING GEORGE THE THIRD. IRONICALLY, RHODE ISLAND WOULD BE THE LAST STATE TO RATIFY THE NEW AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. MORE THAN 14 YEARS LATER, ON MAY 29TH, 1790, AND SUBSEQUENTLY ON MAY 10TH OF 1776, THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS AUTHORIZED EACH OF THE 13 COLONIES TO FORM NEW STATE GOVERNMENTS. WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO JULY 4TH. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK. AND WE AT. LET ME HELP YOU GET IT RIGHT, JENNIFER.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.