3.A Discuss/Act on approving a professional services agreement with R.E.C. Treatment Center to prove a pilot program at the Rockwall County Detention Center to provide substance abuse treatment to inmates, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Sheriff)

[3.A Discuss/Act on approving a professional services agreement with R.E.C. Treatment Center to prove a pilot program at the Rockwall County Detention Center to provide substance abuse treatment to inmates, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Sheriff)]

TO PROVIDE A PILOT PROGRAM AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER TO PROVIDE SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT TO INMATES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER LIECHTY AND SHERIFF GARRETT. THANK YOU.

JUDGE. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ON THIS NOW FOR A MONTH OR TWO.

THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN A PILOT PROGRAM, AS IT SAYS, TO PROVIDE FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT FOR INMATES.

WE'VE WORKED ON THE AGREEMENT AND GOT IT TO A POINT WHERE OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS HAPPY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU ALL TO HEAR FROM SHERIFF GARRETT AND FROM THE TEAM THAT WILL BE DOING THE WORK THERE. COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONERS COURT AND JUDGE.

THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS ONE OF OUR CONTINUING PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO OUR INMATES, THE ONES THAT WE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO HOUSE FEED AND YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THEY DON'T COME BACK, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT THE KIND OF HOTEL, IT'S NOT THE HILTON. SO WE DON'T WANT THEM COMING BACK. WE WANT TO LEAVE CHOCOLATE ON THEIR BED OR ANYTHING.

SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO THIS PROGRAM WITH, REC TREATMENT CENTERS TO PROVIDE THIS TEN WEEK PROGRAM.

AND I HAVE MICHAEL HERE WITH ME WITH REC AND HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK THIS FITS IN WITH OUR PHILOSOPHY OF PROVIDING THIS SERVICE.

THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, AND THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WILL BE OF NO COST TO THE COUNTY FOR THIS FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THIS.

AND THEN WE'LL REEVALUATE WHAT THE PROGRESS AND THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM WILL CONTINUE TO BE.

MICHAEL. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL MORALES, A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER, LICENSED CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY COUNSELOR AND CERTIFIED SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROFESSIONAL.

ON BEHALF OF REC TREATMENT, WE ARE A NEWLY FORMED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION CONDUCTING COMMUNITY BASED COUNSELING AND EDUCATION SERVICES TO ADULTS SPECIFICALLY IMPACTED BY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEMS. THIS PILOT PROGRAM IS A VOLUNTARY TEN WEEK PROGRAM USING EVIDENCE BASED SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT CURRICULUM THAT IS CURRENTLY UTILIZED WITHIN THE TDCJ SYSTEM. I KIND OF CONDENSED IT DOWN TO A TEN WEEK PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE

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NEEDS OF THE DETAINEES INSIDE OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.

HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GET THROUGH IT, BEGIN IT, AND COMPLETE IT DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE BEING HELD AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

AND IT MAKES IT A BIT OF A NOVEL PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE'RE INTRODUCING IT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL FOR DETAINEES AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR CRIMINAL JUSTICE INVOLVEMENT.

HOPING TO OFFER THE EARLIEST POINT OF INTERVENTION AND INCREASING ACCESS TO FOLKS WHO MAY NOT OTHERWISE EVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE ACTUAL CLINICAL TREATMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHAEL. AND YOU KNOW, WE AS COMMISSIONERS REALIZE AND SHERIFF, I KNOW YOU REALIZE MORE THAN US THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BROUGHT INTO JAIL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE, OR THEIR REASON FOR DETENTION IS RELATED TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

SO THAT I THINK IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO TRY AND REDUCE THAT AND IMPACT THE INMATES IN A POSITIVE WAY.

JUST THIS WEEK, WE ALL GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO'D BEEN IN THE DETENTION CENTER AND NEEDED SOME HELP COUNSELING.

AND SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THIS IS, I THINK, A GREAT IDEA.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER, I WOULD SAY AND RELATED TO THAT, THAT EMAIL THAT EVERYONE RECEIVED IT DID, IT DID BRING UP SOME SOME THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AFTER AND DURING THESE PROGRAMS, DURING PROGRAMS LIKE THIS, IT DOES GIVE THE INMATES SKILLS TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WHAT TO DO AFTER THEY ARE INCARCERATED, BECAUSE SOME SOME COME IN WITHOUT ANY SKILLS AT ALL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE PATHWAYS TO HOPE PROGRAM.

WE DO SOME OF THE OTHER EQUINE THERAPY AND OTHER COUNSELING PROGRAMS, BUT JUST ADDING TO IT GIVES THEM MORE SKILLS AS THEY GO ALONG.

SO WHEN THEY DO GET OUT, THEY HAVE THOSE TOOLS IN THEIR TOOLBOX TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THEM FIT IN WITH IN THE COMMUNITY BETTER. SO YEAH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

NO, I LIKE THE I'M A HUGE FAN OF THE PATHWAYS FOR HOPE AND YOUR EQUINE PROGRAM.

AND THIS FITS RIGHT IN. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO THE COUNTY.

IT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR INMATES HAVE STRUGGLES WITH DEPENDENCY ON DRUGS WHERE THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES CAUSED BY DEPENDENCY ON DRUGS A LOT OF TIMES. AND SO TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL BE ABLE TO AN LPC BE ABLE TO COME IN AND AND REALLY HELP THESE PEOPLE IS IS HUGE AND TO DO IT EARLY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I AND I WAS GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT AFTER THE PROGRAM IS OVER, I HOPE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE TO GET THEM CARE WHEN THEY LEAVE, OR AT LEAST TO CHECK IN WITH THEM. I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PROGRAM, POTENTIALLY, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT, IF I MIGHT ADD. SO WE MEASURE OUR SUCCESS OF OUR PROGRAM IN TWO PARTS.

OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST PART IS THE PROGRESS THEY MAKE DURING THE TEN WEEK PERIOD, BUT WE ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM FOR 12 MONTHS POST OUR PROGRAM.

AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO CONNECT EITHER WITH THEM OR THEIR LOVED ONES AND CONTINUE TO LINK THEM WITH THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES TO HELP THEM STABILIZE ONCE THEY'RE RELEASED. SO YEAH, WE CONTINUE THE CONTINUUM OF CARE CONTINUES INTO THE COMMUNITY.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY, TERRY, I JUST SHERIFF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EITHER ONE OF YOU WHO IS MAKING THE SELECTION THAT THE THE, THE THE INMATES WILL BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE TEN WEEKS THAT THEY'LL BE THERE.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE ONLY THERE FOR FOUR WEEKS AND THEN THEY THEY'RE RELEASED OR MOVE, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SURE. SO WE'RE WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH JAIL ADMINISTRATORS TO WHO HAVE MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON EACH OF THE INTERESTED PARTICIPANTS TO KIND OF PRESCREEN OBVIOUSLY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE LENGTH OF STAY THAT THEY'LL BE THERE TO, TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE, BEGIN AND COMPLETE THE PROGRAM.

SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE ALIGNING OURSELVES WITH, WITH THE JAIL TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISTER MORALES OR SHERIFF GARRETT? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IF SOMEONE IS SO INCLINED.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE REC TREATMENT CENTER TO APPROVE A PILOT PROGRAM AT THE ROCKWALL COUNTY DETENTION CENTER TO PROVIDE SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT TO INMATES.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTY. I'LL. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THANK YOU, MR. MORALES. THANK YOU SHERIFF. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE B DISCUSSING ACT ON APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION,

[3.B Discuss/Act on approving an Interlocal Agreement with the City of Rockwall to provide engineering, right-of-way acquisition, utility relocations, inspections, and construction of Village Drive, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik)]

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UTILITY RELOCATIONS, INSPECTIONS AND CONSTRUCTIONS OF VILLAGE DRIVE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER MACALIK. THANK YOU JUDGE. BRENDA CALLOWAY IS MAKING HER WAY HERE.

WE WE I'VE LEFT ON EVERYONE'S DESK HERE AN UPDATE TWO THREE B WITH AS FAR AS THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT.

BUT I DID VISIT YESTERDAY WITH BOTH BRENDA AS WELL AS WITH CRAIG STODDARD TO RELOOKED AT WHAT YOU EACH HAVE IN YOUR.

IN YOUR POSSESSION WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES, A TYPE OF MISTAKE IN THE.

IN THE ORIGINAL THAT WAS PUT IN OUR PACKETS, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF BRENDA KIND OF GIVES EVERYBODY A AN UPDATE ON THE ON HOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ON THIS ON THIS PROJECT FOR VILLAGE DRIVE, BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OTHERS WE'VE HEARD IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS INTENDED TO DO IS TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL $2 MILLION TOWARDS THE LOCAL MATCH OF REGIONAL TOLL AUTHORITY FUNDS THAT THE AREA RECEIVED FROM THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR THE VILLAGE DRIVE PROGRAM. THEY'VE RECEIVED $12 MILLION TOWARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE VILLAGE DRIVE BRIDGE, AND WE NEED TO MATCH IT WITH 20%, WHICH IS $3 MILLION.

THE CITY OF ROCKWALL IS PUTTING IN $1 MILLION TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION.

THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING FOR ALL ENGINEERING, RIGHT OF WAY ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UTILITY ADJUSTMENTS, INSPECTION AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

AND THE COUNTY IS PUTTING IN $2 MILLION TOWARDS THE 20% MATCH.

ONCE THIS INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT IS FINALIZED, THEN IT'S IS WORKING WITH TXDOT TO DO AN ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR THE RTR FUNDS, AND THAT WILL BRING THE $12 MILLION INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT THAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL CAN DRAW OFF OF ONCE COG APPROVES THEIR APPLICABLE INVOICES FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO WE THINK THE CITY OF ROCKWALL'S TOTAL DOLLARS TO THE PROJECT WILL BE AFTER THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE THINGS YOU JUST LISTED? IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE UPWARDS OF $2 MILLION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALL THE OTHERS WITH THE ENGINEERING, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME INTENSIVE RAILROAD COOPERATION AGREEMENT SINCE WE ARE GOING OVER THE RAILROAD IN THAT LOCATION.

AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME CITY UTILITIES THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED.

AND THEN THE, THE TIME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT WHETHER THEY HIRE AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO DO THEIR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OR IF THEY TRY TO DO IT IN-HOUSE WITH IN-HOUSE FORCES. OKAY. THANK YOU. HEY, BRENDA. GO AHEAD.

ARE WE USING TRIP A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ARE WE USING TRIP 21? AND THEN I THINK WE ARE. YES WE ARE. SO REMIND ME, WAS THIS ON OUR LIST OR IS THIS A STRATEGIC PLAN? I IT WAS ON OUR FIRST ISSUANCE LIST TO COME FROM COMMISSIONER MACALIK STRATEGIC PRIORITIES LINE ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. BOTH. CORRECT. YES. CORRECT. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

I'M SORRY. YOU'RE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER STACY.

I WAS GOING TO ASK ON THE ON THE MECHANISM. IT APPEARS THAT WE WE WOULD JUST PUT THE MONEY IN OUR ACCOUNT AND WAIT FOR ROCKWALL TO SEND US BILLS.

WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GIVING THEM THE MONEY. NO, WE ARE TRANSFERRING.

WHEN THIS INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT IS EXECUTED.

OUR INTENT WAS TO TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL FOR THEM TO PUT IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT THAT GETS IT OUT OF ROCKWALL COUNTY'S HANDS AND HELPS WITH YOUR ARBITRAGE. SO IT'S CONSIDERED SPENT AT THAT TIME.

THEN AS THE BILLS COME IN, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND COG AS THEY'RE APPROVED AND THEY WILL DRAW OUT OF TWO ESCROW FUNDS.

THEY'LL DRAW 80% OUT OF A ESCROW FUND THAT'S SET UP WITH THE FUNDS FROM COG, AND THEN THEY WILL DRAW TWO THIRDS OF THE 20% OUT OF THE ESCROW THAT THEY SET UP WITH THE ROCKWALL COUNTY BONDS.

ONE THIRD, IF NECESSARY FROM ONE THIRD, WOULD BE THE CITIES OF THE 20%.

I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

BUT FIRST OF ALL, LET ME STATE I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

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AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT IS. I, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER STACY, WHERE WE USED A DIFFERENT FORMAT OF AGREEMENT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE I HAD THE SAME IMPRESSION COMMISSIONER STACY DID WHEN I READ THIS REGARDING THE FUNDING MECHANISM.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN THE PROJECT ON IN PRECINCT FOUR LAST AT OUR LAST MEETING. BUT FOR SOME REASON THAT'S NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE AGREEMENT.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A PROJECT.

A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE COVERED IN THE SOUTH BEND PAIN ICA ARE ACTUALLY COVERED IN THE AFA BETWEEN TXDOT AND THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

SO OUR INTENT WITH THIS AGREEMENT WAS JUST TO GET THE FUNDS TRANSFERRED ALLOWING FOR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND SAY THE PROJECT COMES IN UNDER BID, WE'RE ESTIMATING 15 MILLION.

BUT IF IT COMES IN AT 12, SAY THERE'S A MECHANISM IN THIS INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO GET THE REMAINING FUNDS BACK FROM THE CITY OF ROCKWALL ON A PRO RATA BASIS ON THE SAME AMOUNTS AND PERCENTAGES THAT WE PAID IN.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT MECHANISMS IN THERE, BUT, BUT TXDOT AND COG HAVE SOME GUIDELINES ON WHAT, WHAT PROCESSES THEY USE FOR THE ENGINEERING, WHAT PROCESSES THEY USE TO GET THEIR INVOICES APPROVED AND ALLOWED TO GO TO ESCROW TO DRAW THE MONEY OFF. SO THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS IN IT THAT I THINK COVER MOST OF WHAT WAS IN THE SOUTH BEND PAIN.

HOWEVER, IF IF THERE ARE COMMENTS YOU HAVE OR QUESTIONS OR REVISIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, IF YOU WANT TO MARK UP THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT, APPROVE IT BASED ON YOUR REVISIONS, THEN YOU CAN SEND THEM TO ME AND CHRISTINA, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THEM AND MAKE COMMENTS.

THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

BUT THE THE. WE'RE ALL STUCK WITH THE DOCUMENTS WE SIGNED AND I SAW THE AGREEMENT.

I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS SENT TO ME YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

I READ THROUGH IT BRIEFLY. IT'LL BE BETWEEN ROCKWALL AND NETCOG OR WHOEVER IT IS OVER THERE THAT SIGNS THOSE TXDOT TEXT DOT IT'S BETWEEN TXDOT AND THE CITY OF ROCKWALL. YES, SIR. BUT THERE'S THIS AGREEMENT ITSELF DOES NOT.

UNDER WHICH WE'RE FUNDING DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR A PRO RATA FUNDING BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

THAT'S THE INTENT, I WOULD GUESS, TYPICALLY IS HOW IT'S DONE, BUT THIS DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR IT.

AND THEN THE THE RELATED MATTER THAT TROUBLED ME, AND WE WORKED THIS OUT IN THE ONE ON BEN PAYNE WAS THIS HAS A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS EITHER PARTY TO TERMINATE IT ON 30 DAYS NOTICE. WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD HAVE THAT IF WE'RE GOING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ROCKWALL OR ROWLETT OR ROYSE CITY OR HEATH OR ANYBODY, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAND YOU MONEY AND YOU USE IT, THEN WHY WOULD WE GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY THEY GIVE US ALL OUR MONEY BACK.

IF THEY DO IT, IT SAYS THEY GIVE US BACK ANY MONEY THEY HAVEN'T SPENT TO DATE.

SO AS AGAIN, WE'RE ALL STUCK WITH THE DOCUMENTS WE SIGN.

AND TO ME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CAREFULLY CRAFT THEM IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCE, BECAUSE I DON'T EXPECT ANY PROBLEMS FROM THIS.

NOBODY DOES. BUT I KNOW WHAT THE DOCUMENTS SAY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE REASON THAT THERE WAS A TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THERE WAS, LET'S SAY THE CITY OF ROCKWALL GOES THROUGH ALL THEIR WORK WITH THE RAILROAD AND THE RAILROAD AND THE CITY JUST CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT. AND THEY CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH HOW VILLAGE DRIVE WILL GO OVER THE RAILROAD.

THEN AT THAT POINT, THE CITY MAY WANT TO TERMINATE THIS, AND AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD NOTIFY YOU.

AND SINCE THEY HADN'T SPENT ANY MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION, THEN EVERYTHING THAT YOU PUT IN FOR CONSTRUCTION WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.

BECAUSE THAT MORE CLEARLY. EXCUSE ME. I WISH IT STATED THAT MORE CLEARLY.

OKAY. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROJECT. IT'S THE FIRST PROJECT WE'VE DONE LIKE THIS.

NORMALLY, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES THE ENTIRE 20% MATCH.

AND THE AFA WITH TXDOT IS IS WHAT COVERS EVERYTHING ON THAT.

AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT GET INVOLVED. SO IF LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S CORRECTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO DO,

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IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MARK THEM UP GET THEM TO MEREDITH, SHE CAN SCAN THEM AND SEND THEM TO US AND CHRISTINA AND I'LL GO OVER AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT YOU FEEL IS MORE APPROPRIATE.

IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? COMMISSIONER MOLATE I WOULD, I'M FINE WITH IT.

I, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH BOTH BRENDA AND THE CITY MANAGER, MARY SMITH, YESTERDAY AS WE WENT THROUGH ALL THESE CHANGES.

AND BRENDA ELOQUENTLY SHE ELOQUENTLY EXPLAINED EVERYTHING LIKE SHE JUST DID TO, TO YOU GUYS.

AND, AND IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN WITH THE RAILROAD BASED ON SOME PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH OTHER CLIENTS, NOT WITH ROCKWALL. YEAH. OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO SAY, HEY, I LIKE THIS PARAGRAPH IN THE SOUTH BEND PAIN ONE.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE THIS INTO THE VILLAGE DRIVE.

I SEE A BECAUSE I LIKE THIS, THE WAY THIS PARAGRAPH IS WORDED, THEN WE WILL WORK TO GET THE AGREEMENT.

THE. I SEE A AMENDED OKAY, WELL, IF IF IT'S OKAY WITH COMMISSIONER MACALIK TO PROCEED, SUBJECT TO US WORKING OUT A DOCUMENT, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO WORK ON THE DOCUMENT WITH YOU BECAUSE THE TWO OF Y'ALL WERE WORKING ON IT.

SO IT'S JUST IT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO COURT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM WHERE WE DO GIVE THE CITY THE MONEY AND THAT WE REFERENCE THE TEXT DOCUMENT.

OKAY. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WHILE IT'S THERE, I DON'T FEEL THAT ANYTHING REALLY REFERENCES WHAT'S GOING ON.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE AUDITOR A VERY CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THE MONEY, AND IT DOESN'T.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S VERY CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL.

OKAY. AND LAUREN WILL COVER MOST OF THE OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE HIM AND I WENT THROUGH GREAT DETAIL ON BEN PAYNE ABOUT HOW SOME OF THOSE MECHANISMS AND TERMINATIONS END, BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, WE'RE GIVING YOU THE LOCAL MATCH.

HERE'S THE MONEY. THE AUDITOR CAN READ IT AND GO, OKAY, I'M GOING TO TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL AND THEN WE CAN HAVE LAUREN AND DANA KIND OF WORK OUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T REALLY GO.

I JUST FEEL LIKE IT SAYS, WE'LL GIVE YOU UP TO 2 MILLION, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW, WHEN, WHERE, AND ONCE WE GET THAT WORKED OUT. YES, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING.

I WANT TO BUILD ROADS. DANA, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE DOCUMENT DOESN'T QUITE SPELL OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO, TO TALK TO ANYONE AFTER THE MEETING.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST A BROADER PROBLEM WITH THESE AGREEMENTS IN GENERAL.

AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LIECHTY, FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

I THINK ANY TIME THAT WE GIVE MONEY LIKE THIS, I THINK WE NEED SOME OF WHAT COMMISSIONER IS SAYING IN THE.

NO MATTER HOW UNIQUE EACH AGREEMENT IS, WE NEED SOME GENERAL DISCLAIMER IN THE DOCUMENT.

EVERY ONE OF THESE, LIKE COMMISSIONER, IS ASKING FOR JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THEM TO COURT AND THEN DO THIS.

LET'S JUST GET IT IN THERE SO WE CAN GET THESE THINGS DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

AND I'M A FAN OF WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY IS SAYING TOO.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE THE MONEY TO ROCKWALL. I DON'T WANT TO. MANAGE THE BILLS AS THEY COME IN AND PAY THEM OUT OF THE COUNTY. THAT'S.

I DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE WORK FOR A PROJECT WE'RE NOT MANAGING.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE MONEY, GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION TO OUR AUDITOR, AND THEN IF THEY DON'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY, THERE'S CLEAR MECHANISM FOR THAT TO COME BACK. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. SO I DON'T THINK ANY ACTION IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

SO I SUSPECT MAYBE BY NEXT COURT WE'LL HAVE A I'M LOOKING AT IT.

ALL RIGHT. SOMETHING FOR YOU. WE'LL ACTUALLY TRY TO GET IT TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT COURT MEETING SO WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BRENDA. LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.

[3.C Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

C DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES AND PROGRESS RELATED TO THE COURTHOUSE COURTROOM ADDITIONS, THIRD FLOOR PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER GALLANA, HERE COMES SAL. HERE COMES SAL.

WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE A TIME FRAME FOR WHEN WE MAY GET THIS AUDIT BACK.

YES, THAT THAT IS THE UPDATE TODAY. THE AUDIT SHOULD BE IN HAND SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.

SO THERE IS A CHANCE WE CAN CLOSE THE PROJECT OUT BY THE NEXT COURT.

BUT YEAH, BY THE NEXT COURT. SO IT SHOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

SHOULD BE IF WE GET THE AUDIT IN HAND AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. NEXT WEEK. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL OR COMMISSIONER? THANK YOU SAL.

[3.D Discuss/Act on the Sheriff’s remodel project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. D DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL PROJECT AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER, STACY AND SAL IS GOING TO GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON TODAY. THERE IS, THERE IS WE ARE MOVING EVIDENCE CURRENTLY.

SO SPOKE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE EARLIER. THEY SAID IT'S ALL LOOKING GOOD.

THEY'RE USING THE TRAINING ROOM AS KIND OF A STAGING ROOM TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE CURRENT EVIDENCE SPACE, CATALOG IT, AND MOVE IT INTO THE NEW EVIDENCE STORAGE SPACE.

SO THAT IS THE BIGGEST UPDATE THAT ONCE WE'RE PAST THIS HURDLE THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS THE NEXT BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROJECT.

REALLY. I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MINOR IN COMPARISON TO THIS EVIDENCE. AND JUST TO KIND OF REMIND THE COURT ONCE EVIDENCE MOVES,

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WHICH IS THIS WEEK, THAT'S THE PLAN. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DEMO, AND THAT'LL BE THE DEMO OF THE CURRENT DISPATCH AND THE CURRENT EVIDENCE AREA.

AND AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT WE UNCOVER WHEN WE KNOCK DOWN ALL THOSE WALLS.

AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL HAVE BEEN DEMOED. AND THEN WE ARE THEN PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BE AT IN THE PROJECT, MUCH, MUCH LESS MARGIN FOR SURPRISES AFTER THAT POINT TOO.

GOT IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL OR COMMISSIONER? STACY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

[3.E Discuss/Act on approving Addendum No. 5 to the Memorandum of Understanding between Rockwall County and the Rockwall County Sheriff's Office, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

THIS TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE E DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING ADDENDUM NUMBER FIVE TO THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER STACY.

SO I AM MAKING GOOD WITH LISA BY SAYING WE'LL CLOSE OUT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS BEFORE WE START NEW PROJECTS.

SO IN, IN THE CLOSEOUT OF THE ANNEX, THE OFFICIAL INTERNAL AUDITING, WE HAVE FOUND THAT WE HAD THIS MONEY SITTING IN IN A CONTRACT WITH CMJ, SO IT WAS BASICALLY OBLIGATED.

BUT THE CONTRACT IS DONE, THE ANNEX IS DONE. IT'S BEEN TURNED OVER.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST COLLECTING THAT MONEY, MOVING IT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT WE CAN SPEND IT. AND JUST SO THE COURT UNDERSTANDS, WE STILL HAVE $4.55 IN THE ANNEX THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING VERY HARD TO CLOSE AS WELL. WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD ON THAT. SO IF YOU SEE A $4.55 ONE, I'M SORRY, BUT WE'RE THIS THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AUDIT IS DONE CORRECTLY AND THAT EVERYTHING IS CLOSED OUT. SO THIS IS SO CMJ WAS OUR CONCRETE INSPECTION SERVICE.

WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THEM. THEY DIDN'T USE ALL OF THE MONEY.

SO WE'RE JUST MOVING THE MONEY OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO WE CAN SPEND IT APPROPRIATELY. ARPA SHOULD BE SPENT BY NEXT MONTH FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL.

SO WHEN WE START CLOSING OUT ARPA, THAT WILL BE A GOOD DAY FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

WILL BE A GOOD DAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ADDENDUM FIVE TO THE MOU BETWEEN ROCKWALL COUNTY AND ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLANA. I WILL SECOND IT.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE F DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVAL OF ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION,

[3.F Discuss and act on approval of Rockwall County Historical Commission spending up to $1,000 to repaint and make other minor improvements to the jail in the Historic Courthouse, and all related matters; (Commissioner Liechty)]

SPENDING UP TO $1,000 TO REPAINT AND MAKE OTHER MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JAIL, IN THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND ALL RELATED MATTERS.

COMMISSIONER LIECHTY. THANK YOU JUDGE. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JAIL ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING.

THIS IS RIGHT NOW GOING TO BE LIMITED TO VERY MINOR THINGS PAINTING, SOME CLEANUP SIGNAGE, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION HAD WANTED TO GET STARTED ON IT.

THEY HAD $1,000 IN THEIR BUDGET THAT THEY COULD SPEND FOR THIS, AND THEY WANTED TO DO IT.

SO THE MONEY'S ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE IN THEIR BUDGET.

THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THE FOURTH FLOOR JAIL A PLACE FOR VISITORS TO COME AND SEE.

AND AS EVERY ONE OF US KNOWS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, IF YOU TELL, ASK SOMEONE, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE JAIL ON THE FOURTH FLOOR? THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS, ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY GET UP THERE AND THEY LOVE IT.

THEY LOVE TO SEE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THIS POINT IS JUST STARTING THOSE INITIAL MOVES.

IT'LL BE LIMITED. WE'RE GOING TO BE PAINTING IT AT LEAST ONE CELL.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH SHERIFF GARRETT AND SPOKEN WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD IDEA, WHICH WILL PROBABLY COME TO US LATER FOR THE SHERIFF'S.

THERE'S THERE'S TWO ROOMS. THERE'S A ROOM WITH THE CELLS, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER BIG ROOM THAT USED TO HAVE ALL THIS.

THE DOCUMENTS STORED IN IT THAT ARE NOW MOVED OUT.

WE THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT IDEA IF THE SHERIFF WANTS OFFICE WANTS TO DO IT IS TO MAKE THAT INTO A SHERIFF'S MUSEUM FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF, FOR THEM TO INCLUDE THINGS THAT. SO WHEN PEOPLE GO UP THERE AND LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SEE THE KIND OF.

THE HISTORY OF OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SOME OF THE THINGS, HOW WE USED TO FUNCTION, HOW WE FUNCTION TODAY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, I THINK COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME DOWN OUR HISTORY TRAIL, WHICH WILL SOON EXTEND FROM THE ROCK WALL ON THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO THE HISTORICAL FOUNDATION MUSEUM.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'VE TALKED TO BARRY COMPTON.

BARRY GAVE US A BID OF 300 TO $1000 TO DO THE BASIC STUFF WE WANT TO DO.

SO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS ASKING FOR $1,000 TO DO IT AND YOUR APPROVAL TO PROCEED.

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I LOVE THE IDEA BECAUSE I GIVE A LOT OF TOURS UP THERE.

I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO AND LARGE GROUPS.

ALSO. ONE TIME I HAD SO MANY IN THE GROUP, I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN SECTIONS.

WE CANNOT ALL BE UP THERE AT THE SAME TIME. I LIKE THAT WITH THE MUSEUM PART FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THAT'S THAT'S VERY MUCH INTRIGUING TO ME. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF ENOUGH OF TYPE OF ITEMS THAT WOULD BE FROM THAT TIME PERIOD? ARE WE TALKING LIKE CURRENT ONES? RIGHT. CURRENT ITEMS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW. DANA. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A NEW IDEA.

I, WE WERE DOWN IN LAGRANGE RECENTLY AND THEY HAD CONVERTED AN OLD JAIL TO A MUSEUM AND DID A FABULOUS JOB OF IT.

IF YOU'RE EVER DOWN THERE, GO LOOK AT IT. AND I THOUGHT, WHAT A NEAT IDEA TO DO IT HERE.

AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, OF COURSE, IS TELLS THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTY, JUST LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DOES.

AND IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT ON I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO SHOW WHAT'S BEEN GOING.

WHAT THE 175 YEAR HISTORY OF THE ROCKWALL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I LOVE IT. I LOVE THE IDEA. OTHER THAN WANTING TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN LAGRANGE.

NO. I'M KIDDING. SORRY. THAT WAS AN OLD REFERENCE.

THE I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR EQUIPMENT THAT'S UP THERE, LIKE THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONING OF THIS BUILDING WITH THE MECHANICAL ROOMS. OUR DOCUMENT STORAGE, OUR IT CLOSETS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE START OPENING THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STUFF IS LOCKED.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU GET UP THERE, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH GO AROUND. WE HAVE SENSITIVE DOCUMENTS STORED UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THEY REALLY ARE, BUT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ROOM OF COMMISSIONERS COURT STUFF STORED UP THERE.

I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT AGAINST PAINTING IT. I'M NOT AGAINST MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION.

I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A CAN OF WORMS, THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN ABOUT THAT, THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY THAN WE THINK, MAKING SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE LOCK THE DOORS UP THERE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WANDERING INTO A ROOM, HITTING A COMPUTER AND DOING SOMETHING TO OUR EYES.

AND I KNOW NO ONE WANTS THAT. BUT WHEN WE START OPENING THIS UP, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THE COUNTY IS GOING TO NEED TO BE MORE INVOLVED THAN JUST ALLOWING THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION TO COME IN AND, AND START DOING TOURS UP HERE.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THIS ITEM, BUT MORE THE DIRECTION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING.

VERY FAIR COMMENT. AND I, WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OR WITH ANY COMMISSIONER THAT MIGHT BE DESIGNATED AS OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES GUY TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.

JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN IN THE CONTEXT OF HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HISTORICAL FOUNDATION THERE TO TAKE PEOPLE UP SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE. LET'S OPEN IT ON WEEKENDS AND JUST LET EVERYBODY GO UP.

IT WOULD BE UNDER A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE A HISTORICAL FOUNDATION REPRESENTATIVE TO TAKE PEOPLE UP, SHOW THEM AROUND, TAKE THEIR PICTURES, YOU KNOW, IN THE JAIL CELLS OR WHEREVER THEY WANT AND HELP THEM WITH THAT AND THEN THEN GUIDE THEM DOWN. SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH.

BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO PROTECT THE SECURITY OF.

AND I CAN THINK OF NO ONE BETTER THAN THE COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT TO WRITE A POLICY TO DEAL WITH THAT.

I AGREE, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY ALSO TO HELP THEM.

I TOO HAVE TOURED THE ONE IN JOHNSON COUNTY, THEIR ORIGINAL ONE, BUT THEY HAVE IT TO WHERE YOU JUST LOOKING.

YOU CAN'T GET INSIDE THE JAIL, INSIDE THE CELLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT BUT THEY DID IT REAL WELL. SO I'LL SHARE THAT.

I'LL SHARE THAT ONE. AND THEY MAY WANT TO GO DO A FIELD TRIP AND LOOK AT THAT ONE IN JOHNSON COUNTY AS WELL.

YEAH. I'M ALWAYS FOR PRESERVING OUR HISTORY AND PUTTING IT ON DISPLAY FOR EVERYBODY TO LEARN ABOUT OUR PAST, FOR SURE. AND I LOVE THE IDEA. COMMISSIONER LIKE IT'S GREAT.

WE JUST NEED TO DETERMINE, LIKE COMMISSIONER STACY SAID WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OVER TIME SO THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING MATCHES UP WITH KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED. AND THAT'S. BUT I'M ALL FOR IT.

I HAVE A RIDICULOUS QUESTION THAT PROBABLY IS MORE APPROPRIATELY DIRECTED TO THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION.

AND IT'S REGARDING THE GRAFFITI IN THOSE JAIL CELLS.

ARE THEY OF ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE? WELL, SOME OF THEM ARE INTERESTING.

SOME OF THEM ARE INTERESTING. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

AND MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE PRESERVE A GRAFFITI SECTION.

OKAY. AND I WILL PASS THAT ALONG TO THEM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BARRY. YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES YOU WANT TO PRESERVE.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP TO BARRY. WE ARE NOT.

NO WE'RE NOT. I'M WRITING A POLICY THIS AFTERNOON ON THE GRAFFITI.

NO KIDDING. BARRY, YOU'RE IN CHARGE. YEAH. COMMISSIONER.

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I HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION OR THE FOUNDATION? Y'ALL ARE USING THESE INTERCHANGEABLY AND WHO'S WHO'S BEING PAID THE MONEY? WELL, ACTUALLY, I WAS TRYING NOT TO USE THEM INTERCHANGEABLY.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, AS YOU KNOW. CORRECT.

THIS MONEY WOULD BE FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THE $1,000 THAT'S BEING SPENT.

THE, WHEN I MENTIONED THE HISTORICAL FOUNDATION, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM TO PROVIDE VOLUNTEERS TO DO THE TOURING.

BUT AS FAR AS THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND IT'S THE MONEY THAT THEY.

I BELIEVE THE COUNTY SET ASIDE $7,500 IN THEIR BUDGET, WHICH I THINK WE USE SOME FOR TRAVEL, FOR TRAINING SOME PEOPLE. BUT IS THAT THE THE LINE YOU'RE YOU'RE PLANNING COMING OUT OF THAT.

AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE FROM THAT GROUP VERY SHORTLY BILLS FOR OTHER THINGS THEY'RE DOING ALSO BECAUSE AT THE LAST HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WAS IN MAY, THEY WENT THROUGH AND ALLOCATED PLACES THAT THEY COULD SPEND THAT MONEY FOR THINGS LIKE SIGNS AT CEMETERIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IMPROVING LOCAL CEMETERIES.

BUT WE WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WORK HERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SENSITIVE THING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON BOARD ON.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

GREAT. I WOULD THEN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION SPENDING UP TO $1,000 TO REPAINT AND MAKE OTHER MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JAIL IN THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.

HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTY. I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE G DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FROM ROCKWALL ISD FOR FOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TO SERVE AS SCHOOL

[3.G Discuss/Act on approving an Interlocal Agreement from Rockwall ISD for four Sheriff's Deputies to serve as School Resource Officers (SRO), and all related issues; (Judge New – HR Director)]

RESOURCE OFFICERS, SROS AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

MISS CAMMIE. GOOD MORNING. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FOURTH YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING INTO THE FOURTH SCHOOL YEAR, WHERE SHERIFF GARRETT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE DEPUTIES TO SERVE AS THE AS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS FOR ROCKWALL ISD.

IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S FOUR DEPUTIES AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THE DEPUTY SERVICES.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REIMBURSES THE COUNTY WITH NINE MONTHS OF LOADED SALARIES, WHICH INCLUDES TAXES AND INSURANCE.

CAMI HAS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BEEN FOR FOUR.

DID WE DO WE HAD FOUR SROS. FOR SOME REASON I WAS THINKING WE ONLY HAD TWO.

I BELIEVE THE FIRST YEAR WE PROVIDED 2 OR 3. AND IN RECENT YEARS IT'S BEEN FOUR.

THANK YOU. CAMI. DOES THIS THIS INCLUDES ANY RAISES? YES IT DOES. IT INCLUDES A POTENTIAL COLA AND STEP.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FROM ROLL CALL ISD FOR FOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TO SERVE AS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE H DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPOINTMENTS SLASH REAPPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.H Discuss/Act on appointment/re-appointment of members to the Library Advisory Board, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Librarian)]

COMMISSIONER LIECHTY AND MISS MARCENE. THANK YOU JUDGE.

THE. LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD IS MADE UP OF MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

WE TRY TO HAVE TWO FROM EACH PRECINCT. THEY ARE ON STAGGERED TERMS. AND WE HAVE SOME PERSONS THAT ARE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT FOR PEOPLE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT.

ONE OF WHOM IS ELECTED NOT TO BE REAPPOINTED.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WHO IS TERMED OUT AND NO LONGER ABLE TO SERVE.

SO FIRST AND FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD WHO WORKED SO HARD.

IT HAS BEEN A TRUE PLEASURE WORKING WITH THIS GROUP OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AS THE LIAISON PERSON TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A COMMITTEE THAT LAUGHS SO MUCH.

SO IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO GO THERE. AND AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GOING TO PUT FOR REAPPOINTMENT FROM PRECINCT

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ONE WHERE I'M RECOMMENDING OR WITH CONSENT OF MARCIN, OUR LIBRARIAN.

I'M RECOMMENDING D L MALIU FROM PRECINCT TWO, SONIA MARTIN WE HAVE AN AT LARGE PERSON WHO IS UP FOR A SECOND TERM. KATHLEEN BROSE FROM PRECINCT THREE, OUR CURRENT PERSON THAT'S TERMING OUT ISN'T.

WELL, HER TERM IS COMING UP, ISN'T TERMING OUT IS PAULA SALTER.

SHE'S ELECTED NOT TO SERVE AGAIN BECAUSE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AND I AM RECOMMENDING HELEN DEAN, WHOSE HUSBAND RICH DEAN, IS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND MCLENNAN CHISHOLM AND FROM PRECINCT FOUR COMMISSIONER STACY HAS SPOKEN WITH AND RECOMMENDS JOANNE YACHT, WHO CAME HERE THIS MORNING TO SEE US.

SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE BEFORE US.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR. MARCY, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.

YEAH, I'LL GO FIRST. I HAVE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION FOR MY PRECINCT.

PRECINCT IS PRECINCT ONE. YES. AND NOBODY TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ENDED UP WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT TALKING TO ME.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS SPOT IS DEREK VALENTINE.

AND I HAVE NOT FULLY. AND THIS HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED NOT ONLY BY ME, BUT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD.

AND I HAVEN'T FINALIZED THIS WITH HIM YET, BUT I WILL.

OKAY. SO BY NOT FINALIZED, DOES THAT MEAN HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING HIM OR HE.

HE DOES. BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED TOGETHER ABOUT IT.

OKAY, OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, THE ONLY REASON THAT D L MALUR IS BEING APPOINTED AS SHE WAS APPOINTED PREVIOUSLY, I UNDERSTAND, AND HER TWO YEAR TERM IS ROLLING UP AND SHE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT.

MY APOLOGIES TO YOU FOR NOT MAKING SURE THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU.

AND I MEAN THAT VERY SINCERELY. OKAY. WELL, GOOD.

AND AND COMMISSIONER. LIECHTY SONIA MARTIN, WHO IS FOR PRECINCT TWO, SHE IS HAS ASKED ME THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO GO UP AGAIN BECAUSE SHE IS EXPERIENCING SOME HEALTH ISSUES. SO I HAVE SPOKEN WITH OR I HAVE BECKY ELLISTON WHO IS IN PRECINCT TWO.

F SHE HAS EXPRESSED THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.

AND SHE AND I HAVE HAVE PASSED BACK VOICEMAILS, SO I WANT TO CONFIRM IT WITH HER.

I DID NOT KNOW FOR SURE WE WERE DOING THIS TODAY WITH HER NAME, BUT SHE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST.

SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'LL PENCIL IN BECKY ELLISTON AND THEN I WILL CONFIRM IT WITH YOU, SHE HOPEFULLY TODAY.

OKAY, WELL, WE CAN DELAY THIS TILL THE END OF THE MONTH, CAN'T WE? SO IF IF THAT'S A PREFERENCE, WE'LL JUST PULL IT OFF.

OUT OF RESPECT FOR JOANNE YACHT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD APPOINT HER OR DO WE WANT TO DO IT AS A FULL SLATE SINCE SHE SHOWED UP TODAY? I JUST FEEL BAD ASKING HER TO COME BACK. NOT THAT SHE COULDN'T, BUT BUT I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.

I DON'T WANT TO FORCE THE ISSUE. IF WE DON'T WANT TO, I WOULD SAY WE GO FORWARD.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. LET'S DO THAT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, MAYBE WE PUBLISH NOTICE WHENEVER THINGS ARE UP AGAIN AND HAVE MR. BARTO SEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND. YEAH. AND MAKE APPLICATION.

OKAY. YEAH. I WOULD LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE WITHIN A PRECINCT TO TALK TO THAT COMMISSIONER.

IF THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO SERVE AGAIN, OR IF THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO PUT THEIR NAME IN.

BECAUSE I HEARD FROM NO ONE. GOT IT. WELL, THIS LIBRARY, THE CURRENT PERSON, THE LIBRARY BOARD IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO THE JUDGE IS THE MEMBER. AND COMMISSIONER LIECHTY IS ESSENTIALLY MY REPLACEMENT TO BE ON THE BOARD. SO A VERY POOR REPLACEMENT. YOU'RE A FANTASTIC REPLACEMENT.

IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I MADE. WELL, IT IS ENJOYABLE.

AND WE CAN PUT THIS OFF, EXCEPT WE AGAIN, HELEN DEAN, I KNOW THAT SHE WANTS TO SERVE.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH HER. AND WE CAN WE CAN APPROVE THEM AND WE CAN BRING YOU BACK NEXT TIME.

AND AGAIN I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING I SAID TO COMMISSIONER GALLANA.

DANA IS SONYA MARTIN HAD TOLD MARCIN THAT SHE WANTED TO SERVE AGAIN OR SHE WAS WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN.

SO THIS WAS A SURPRISE. BUT AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS COMES UP WE WILL SEND IT TO ALL COMMISSIONERS AND I WOULD LET YOU REACH OUT TO YOUR COMMUNITY HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE MARCIN REACHED OUT TO ME PROBABLY A MONTH AGO TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

SO I'VE BEEN AWARE OF IT, BUT I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL TODAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THEM, SO I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. LET ME TRY A MOTION. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT TO THE LIBRARY

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ADVISORY BOARD OUT OF PRECINCT THREE, HELEN DEAN AND OUT OF PRECINCT FOUR.

JOANNE YACHT I WILL SECOND. SO WE HAVE MY MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW AND IT PASSES 5 TO 0.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO TO THOSE OTHERS NEXT NEXT NEXT COURT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.

[3.I Discuss/Act on approving the Texas State Library Interlibrary Loan Lending Reimbursement Program for the Rockwall County Library for SFY2026, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

I DISCUSS AND ACT ON APPROVING THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY INTERLIBRARY LOAN LENDING REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY FOR FY 2026, AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. THIS IS OUR STANDARD PROCEDURE ALLOWING US TO APPLY FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR LENDING OTHERS ACCESS TO OUR LIBRARY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY INTERLIBRARY LOAN LENDING REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR SFY 2026.

AND I WILL HAPPILY SECOND THAT MOTION. MY MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTY.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

PASSES 5 TO 0. EXCUSE ME. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.

[3.J Discuss/Act on the update to the county phone system, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy – IT Director)]

J DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE UPDATE TO THE COUNTY PHONE SYSTEM AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY. YES, COURT. I WROTE A MEMO THAT I KNOW MEREDITH GOT OUT TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WHAT WAS, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PHONE CONTRACT? I AM CURRENTLY WANTING TO JUST KIND OF LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

BECAUSE NEXT COURT WOULD NEED TO BE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE CURRENT OFFER OR A VOTE TO NOT APPROVE THE CURRENT OFFER.

SO I'VE ASKED BRIAN TO BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

IF THERE ACTUALLY ARE ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR IF THIS IS MORE A CONTRACT ISSUE.

SO I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT REALLY FAST SO THE PUBLIC CAN GET CAUGHT UP TO SPEED.

THE CURRENT CONTRACT OFFER THAT WE HAVE WITH GO TO IS UNDER THE TIPS AMOUNT ON THE SERVICE AS A ON THE SAAS ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE.

SO WHEN WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO RENEGOTIATE THIS FOR OCTOBER, THEY JUST GAVE ME THE TIPS AMOUNT, WHICH INCREASES THE CONTRACT BY $110,000. I DO HAVE AN EMAIL WHERE THEY SAY THEY THINK THEY CAN GET TIPS TO AGREE TO LOWER THE CONTRACT AMOUNT BACK TO WHAT THEY DID.

AGAIN, IT'S THEM OFFERING US THE SERVICE, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR UNDER TIPS.

SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WHEN I STARTED TALKING TO GO TO LAST WEEK.

AS FAR AS WHY IS THESE THINGS CHANGING? THE BIG UNKNOWN IS GOING TO BE ON THE ACTUAL HARDWARE THAT WE'RE PURCHASING.

SO THE CURRENT CONTRACT HAS GUARANTEED PRICING ON HARDWARE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE IT FOR NINE MONTHS.

SO THE RISK TO THE COURT IS DO WE GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE CONTRACT, ACCEPT ALL THE PRICING, EXACTLY HOW BRIAN PRESENTED IT TO US IN OUR WORKSHOP? OR DO WE SAY, NO, YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS ON US, AND WE'RE GOING TO RENEGOTIATE THIS AT BUDGET TIME AND SEE WHERE WE LAND.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE THOSE FACTS BEFORE THE COURT.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT THE TECHNICAL.

AT THE END OF THE MONTH, THE OFFER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT EXPIRES.

THAT'S THE FACT. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T RENEGOTIATE IT.

AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T GET IT BACK DOWN, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE TELLING ME THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE HARDWARE BACK DOWN. BUT THAT'S JUST THEM TALKING. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S TRUE OR FALSE.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY, MY GOAL WAS, WELL, MY INITIAL GOAL PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA WAS TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAD ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THAT WAS MY INITIAL GOAL. AND THEN I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND STARTED DIVING INTO SOME OF THESE DATES AND SAID, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT EITHER GOING UP OR DOWN ON THIS.

AND THEN THE SECONDARY ISSUE IS HOW DO WE FUND IT? HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT? THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION. SO THERE'S LIKE THOSE THREE DISCUSSIONS. NUMBER ONE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD WITH GO TO NUMBER TWO. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE HIGH PRESSURE SALES TECHNIQUE OF THEM TRYING TO GET US TO DO IT TODAY? AND THEN IF WE WANT TO DO IT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT DONE.

SO I WAS TALKING TO COMMISSIONER LIECHTY YESTERDAY AND I SAID, WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS TO THIS, BUT I'M ALSO DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING BACK TO COURT. SO SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ISSUES. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH IS THE TECHNICAL SIDE. BRIAN IS STANDING HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? I KNOW THAT HE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS IN THE EMAIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO START THERE ON THE ACTUAL GO TO PRODUCTS.

WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT WHAT'S BEING OFFERED? FORGET ALL THE DEADLINES AND THE CONTRACT. LET'S GET TO THE TECHNICAL SIDE ON ON THE PHONES.

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AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A YEAR, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO OPEN IT TO THE COURT.

QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR THAT ANYONE DOES.

IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT YOU PREFERRED. WHICH IS MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS LONG AS WE CAN GET TO THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT AND MAKE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT. THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED LAST TIME WAS I JUST DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME EVERYBODY WANTS A HEADSET AND DOESN'T WANT AN ACTUAL PHONE. COMMISSIONER. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, WELL, AGAIN, LAST WEEK, THIS ALL KIND OF BLEW UP ON MY DESK.

AND NOW HERE IT IS TO YOU GUYS. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST WE JUST BUDGET FOR EVERYONE TO GET TWO.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT. LET'S JUST BUDGET FOR FOR ALL THE DEVICES TO BE PURCHASED AND HOPE THAT WE COME IN UNDER BUDGET. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. YEAH. BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT GET THE HEADSET ARE GOING TO HATE WEARING IT ALL DAY. EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OFF AND WANT TO PICK UP THEIR PHONE. AND WE HAVE NINE MONTHS TO BUY ALL THE HARDWARE UNDER CURRENT PRICING.

OKAY. OKAY. BUDGET WISE I'M LOOKING AT YOU SKIP TO TO THE THIRD PART, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

WELL, NO, NO, I'M, I'M TOTALLY JOKING. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

I DID BECAUSE THE FIRST PART, WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE BEING STRONG ARMED.

BUT COMING. YEAH. YEAH. BUT BUT BUDGET WISE, IF WE DO MAKE THIS, THIS, THIS DECISION PRIOR TO THE NEW BUDGET DO WE HAVE THE MONEY? WHERE IS THE MONEY? I'M NOT EVEN SURE OF THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.

BUT THE CONTINGENCY FUND. EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVEN'T USED ANY OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE, ARE LACKING IN, IN THAT MAY GO OVER BUDGET AND YOU MAY NEED IT.

THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WARNING, WARNING, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD, WHAT IS THE TOTAL DOLLAR OR WHAT IS THE, THE THRESHOLD AMOUNT THAT THIS COULD COST? I THINK WE DID A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON IF WE GOT EVERYTHING, IT'S LIKE 200,000 OR JUST ONE, 187 IF WE BOUGHT EVERYBODY A HEADSET AND A PHONE.

SO THAT'S LIKE THE ABSOLUTE MOST HARDWARE WE WOULD BUY.

AND THEN THE TOTAL FOR A YEAR OF THIS SERVICE IS 76,000.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY MONTHS WE HAVE, BUT THAT'S AN INCREASE.

BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING, WE ALREADY PAYING A MONTHLY PHONE SERVICE.

SO. RIGHT. SO THEN THE MONTHLY ONE WE'RE PAYING NOW, I BELIEVE IS AROUND 50.

SO IT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 26 PER YEAR. SO THEN IF YOU DIVIDE ALL THAT OUT, I CAN DO ALL THIS AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT IT'S I DON'T THINK THE MONTHLY IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

IT WOULD BE THE THE UPFRONT HARDWARE THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PART THAT WOULD BE.

I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT 200,000 ALSO. SO I'M NOT TOO FAR OFF ON BRIAN.

I JUST KIND OF WORRY TO THE JUDGE'S POINT IS THAT THERE I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT A GIMMICK.

I'M GOING TO CALL IT A TACTIC. WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE US UNTIL BASICALLY JANUARY FOR ANY OF THIS.

SO THE GOAL IS WE APPROVE IT. WE DO THE PRICE MATCH AND THEN WE GET ALL OF THESE MONTHS FREE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE BILLS COME DUE. BUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES IS THAT ALLOWS US CONTRACTUALLY BOUND THE COUNTY DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, BECAUSE WE COULD ALWAYS NOT FUND IT AND THEN GO, SORRY, WE DIDN'T FUND IT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. THE CONTRACT'S VOID. I GET ALL THAT.

BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FUND IT. SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COURT AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT WE DO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE NEXT COURT THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS, THAT WE FUND IT IN THIS FY, ESPECIALLY THE HARDWARE AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE $200,000 OF THIS FY.

WE'RE GOING TO SET IT ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE CAN PUT IT IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. WE CAN PUT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE LISA CAN HOLD IT FROM THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. SO IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR SO THAT WE DON'T GO INTO THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET AND SAY, OH YEAH, JUDGE, WE TOOK $200,000 AND ALREADY SPENT IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS MAY SURPRISE YOU. I'M KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE THE PHONE SYSTEM, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVE KNOWN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A NEW PHONE SYSTEM.

AND I HAD IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, THIS UPCOMING BUDGET IS WHEN WE BITE THE BULLET AND GET THE NEW PHONE SYSTEM.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE'VE BEEN KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD IS ONE OF MY FIRST MEETINGS AS A COUNTY JUDGE.

OUR CURRENT PROVIDER TRIED TO STRONG ARM US AND SAY, WE GOT TO HAVE.

IF YOU DON'T GET ALL NEW STUFF NOW, JUST YOUR PHONES AREN'T GOING TO WORK.

AND MY STANCE WAS, IF WE'RE GETTING ALL NEW STUFF, LET'S GET ALL NEW BEDS AND LET'S OPEN THIS UP.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WELL, NO, NO, NO, NO, WE CAN, WE CAN STILL SUPPORT IT.

SO, BUT AT SOME POINT THEIR SALES TACTIC BECOMES TRUE.

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AND I TRUST BRIAN TO, TO KNOW WHEN THAT IS. AND I THINK WE'VE REACHED THE POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE ON THE PHONE SYSTEM. SO IT WAS ALWAYS MY INTENTIONS OF OF HAVING A BIG, BIG PURCHASE THIS BUDGET.

MY ONLY QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER STACY, WHEN HE MENTIONED ABOUT THE HARDWARE BEING ROLLED IN AS KIND OF A BONUS TO PURCHASE NOW WAS THE, WAS THE, WAS IT OLD HARDWARE AND IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NEW THING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BUY BECAUSE OURS IS ANTIQUATED.

THEY'VE TOLD ME THEY ESTIMATE THE PHONES THAT WE HAVE HERE WOULD BE MAYBE TEN YEARS LIFE.

SO THERE WILL INEVITABLY BE A NEW MODEL OF PHONE THAT COMES OUT, BUT THE ONES WE HAVE, THEY WOULD ESTIMATE IT TO BE TEN YEARS, BUT THERE'S NO END OF LIFE ON IT. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

AND THE HEADSETS, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO, THEY'LL JUST LAST UNTIL THEY START CRACKLING, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS MAYBE BE MY GUESS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GET TO THE AUDITOR AN ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.

OKAY. AND AND I'M OKAY MAKING A DECISION AT THE NEXT COURT.

I WOULD LIKE THE QUESTION TO BE ASKED TO THE GO TO PEOPLE OF CAN WE GET THIS PRICE IN TWO MONTHS? THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED. AND IF NOT, WHY NOT? OKAY. SO THIS IS THE ANSWER FROM GO TO AND I'M GOING TO READ IT.

DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS, HARDWARE PRICING CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND OUR SUPPLIERS ARE FACING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES WITH INVENTORY DUE TO PART SHORTAGES AND SHIPPING CHALLENGES. THE TIPS GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COOPERATIVE ARTICLE 22.

OKAY, THAT DOESN'T APPLY. GO TO PRICING APPROVALS ARE WITHIN A QUARTERLY TIME FRAME WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE AND ARE NOT OPEN ENDED SHOULD ROCKWALL DECIDE TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT IN OCTOBER. GO TO IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK ON APPROVALS THAT WOULD APPLY TO Q4.

THAT'S THEIR OFFICIAL WRITTEN ANSWER IN AN EMAIL.

BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY INTRODUCING FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, AND DOUBT.

YES. GREAT SALES TECHNIQUE, WHICH IF THIS IS WHO WE'RE GOING WITH, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO.

BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST GOING BACK TO THEIR TIPS.

THEY'RE UNDER TIPS PRICING WITH WHAT THEY WHAT THEY HAVE OFFERED US.

RIGHT? CORRECT. THEY'RE UNDER TIPS PRICING. SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST GOING BACK TO TIPS PRICING. YES.

YES. AND THEN SAYING WE WAIT. CORRECT. AND THEN SAYING, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU WE CAN GO BACK UNDER THAT COMPETITIVE BID.

AND THEN THEY'RE TELLING ME VERY EXPLICITLY, I TALKED TO THE VP OF SALES AND THEN THIS SALES LADY THAT THEY CAN THEY'RE GUARANTEEING ME THEY'RE NOT BRINGING THE HARDWARE TO THE PRICE THAT IT IS. NOW THEY'RE SAYING IT WILL NOT BE PRESENTED TO YOU AT THIS PRICE.

IT WILL BE MUCH HIGHER. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE THEY THEY'RE JUST ASSURING ME THAT IT WILL GO UP BECAUSE BASICALLY I TOLD THEM, I DON'T LIKE TO BE STRONG ARMED AND I'M NOT BRINGING THIS TO COURT. AND AND THEN THEY SAID, WELL, YOUR HARDWARE WILL GO UP. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE BEING STRONG ARMED EITHER.

JUST, JUST LIKE THE JUDGE. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE DON'T ACT, THEN WE DON'T SAVE THE MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP SPENDING MORE. AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

YEP. SO AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNTS, GET IT OVER TO THE AUDITOR.

LET'S KNOW WHERE WE'RE TAKING THIS MONEY. IF WE'RE TAKING IT FROM CONTINGENCY, WHAT THAT DOES TO US.

LISA'S PRETTY GOOD AT FINDING OTHER LINE ITEMS AND I WILL BASICALLY WHAT I'LL WHAT I'LL DO FOR THE COURT IS I WILL PROVIDE THE TWO OPTIONS FULLY OUTLINED AND OR JUST MULTIPLE OPTIONS. I SEE TWO IN MY BRAIN, BUT I WILL WORK WITH THE AUDITOR AND LEGAL ON THAT.

I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE OUT THAT CRAIG, ALTHOUGH BARRY'S TAKING HIS ATTENTION NOW CRAIG HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS CONTRACT WITH GO TO AND HAS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SALES DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS.

SO WE'RE NOT OPENING, YOU KNOW, A LEGAL DOCUMENT TODAY.

IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. SO I THINK WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD GET IT DONE AND GET SOMETHING VOTABLE TO THE COURT.

SO I WILL WORK ON A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS WITH THE AUDITOR WITH LEGAL ON HOW WE WOULD DO THIS CONTRACT.

AND THEN I'LL HAVE THAT PREPARED FOR THE NEXT COURT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. JUDGE, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN ADJUST PRICING WHEN THEY'RE UNDER A CONTRACT.

NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS EXACT ISSUE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WITH THE MCA FOLKS, THEY TOLD US THEY COULD NOT ADJUST PRICING BECAUSE IT WAS A CONTRACT.

SO JUST AS WE'RE GETTING A BETTER DEAL, SO I DON'T CARE.

BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN'T ADJUST PRICING ON A CONTRACT.

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AND NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY TELLING US WE CAN GIVE YOU A MUCH BETTER DEAL, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT TIPS PRICING.

I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL, BUT GO TO HAS A WRITTEN TIPS APPROVAL TO LOWER THEIR PRICE.

THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO TIPS AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO OFFER THIS APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE BELOW THE TIPS RATE AND TIPS HAD TO APPROVE IT.

SO THEN MAYBE MC A COULD HAVE DONE THAT BUT DIDN'T WANT TO.

IT'D BE MY GUESS. YEAH, ANYONE CAN DO THAT. ON TIPS I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PAST TIMES DEALING WITH THESE KIND OF CONTRACTS THAT ANYONE CAN GO AND DO THAT.

THEY JUST LIKE TO USE THAT AS A WAY TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO.

INTERESTING. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S NOTE TO REMEMBER IN THE FUTURE.

SECONDLY, I DON'T, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US NEXT TIME ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO HOW TO FUND THIS AND ALL.

BUT TO ME, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. THERE'S BOTH A HARDWARE CHARGES AND THEN THERE'S MONTHLY FEES, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE TO PAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THIS OUT OF FISCAL YEAR 26, IT WOULD BE THE HARDWARE, BUT ALL THE MONTHLY I WOULD THINK WE WOULDN'T TAKE OUT A FISCAL 26.

WE'D SHIFT IT TO FISCAL 27 BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO JUST A THOUGHT THERE WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS, AND THEN AS FAR AS BUYING EVERYBODY HEADSETS, I KNOW THEY'RE CHEAP. I DON'T FORGET WHAT THE PRICE WAS.

IT WASN'T A LOT, BUT I, I WOULD NOT BUY DOUBLE HEADSETS FOR EVERY PHONE UNIT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T USE THEM.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU NOBODY IN THAT OFFICE IS GOING TO USE ONE.

OKAY, SO LET'S FIGURE OUT MAYBE THAT WASN'T YOU.

THAT WAS HIS OFFICE. OH, YEAH. SORRY. MINUS ONE.

YEAH. YOU CAN BUY, I THINK, 385 MINUS ONE. BUT THE POINT IS NOBODY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T USE HEADSETS.

SO MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE BUY HALF AS MANY AND JUST USE A GIVEN TO PEOPLE.

THE ONE I THINK IT'S MORE OF A BUDGET NUMBER AND NOT NECESSARILY AN ACTUAL PURCHASE ORDER.

I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WE WANT TO BUDGET FOR THAT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO DISTRIBUTE IT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE LIMITING FACTOR. LIKE I DON'T WANT A HEADSET EITHER. SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST AREN'T GOING TO GET HEADSETS AND THAT WILL BRING THE MONEY DOWN. BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO SET THE MONEY ASIDE AND SAY, YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DO THIS.

NOW, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO? OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

JUST DON'T SPEND THE MONEY IF WE DON'T NEED TO.

AND SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. AND WE STILL, EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT NOW, THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM TILL NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO WAIT TO PAY THEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM EARLY.

CORRECT. JUST SO WE CAN GET IT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.

RIGHT. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CRENSHAW. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS GALENA AND STACY.

DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE THREE K OR AFTER? RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO AT 1008, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

ALL RIGHT. AT 1022, WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE INTO THE REGULAR SESSION.

WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM THREE K DISCUSS AND ACT ON SUBMITTING A LOAN APPLICATION FOR LOAN STAR PROGRAM THROUGH THE STATE ENERGY CONSERVATION OFFICE AND ALL

[3.K Discuss/Act on submitting a loan application for the LoneSTAR Program through the State Energy Conservation Office (SECO), and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana – Commissioner Stacy)]

YEAH, SO THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING PROGRAM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND WHAT IT ALLOWS COUNTIES, ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION TO REALLY TO DO IS TO GET A VERY LOW COST, VERY, VERY LOW COST, 2.5% TYPICALLY ON YOUR MONEY LOAN FOR ANYTHING THAT IMPROVES, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ENERGY RELATED IN YOUR BUILDINGS. SO THE REASON THAT I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS GIANT LIGHTING ISSUE AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, AND IT IS A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY TO TAKE ALL AT ONE TIME OUT OF ANY BUDGET.

IN FACT, IT'S IT'S NOT MADE THE BUDGET THE LAST COUPLE TIMES, AND WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE FOR ONE, I DON'T WANT TO BE A COMMISSIONER SITTING HERE THAT SAYS THE LIGHTS DON'T WORK IN THE COURTHOUSE, AND THERE'S NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BUDGET THE MONEY FOR IT AND WE CAN'T FIX IT. SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND WE'RE IN DANGER OF THAT HAPPENING AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE DIFFERENT PLACES FAIL ON THAT SYSTEM.

SO THIS ALLOWS US TO GET THE MONEY AT ESSENTIALLY PROBABLY THE SAME RATE AS INFLATION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A 2.5% IS IT'S NOT FREE MONEY, BUT IT IS CLOSE AS WE GET RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU WENT TO THE MARKET FOR THIS MONEY, IT'D BE 8%.

AND SO THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT SAVINGS. THE STATE PROVIDES THE PAYBACK.

HOW THIS WORKS IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. THE TERM CAN GO AS LONG AS 15 YEARS, AND I BELIEVE WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'D BE LOOKING AT FOR THIS PROJECT, IT WAS SOMEWHERE JUST SHY OF HAVE $800,000. THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT IT, I'M SURE THAT'S INCREASED.

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I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT NOW TO REPLACE THE LIGHTING THERE. AND SO THE TERM CAN GO AS LONG AS 15 YEARS, BUT YOU REPAY OUT OF THE SAVINGS. THE STATE OF COURSE CALCULATES THIS SOMEHOW YOU REPAY OUT OF THE SAVINGS YOU HAVE FROM THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW SYSTEM, WHICH IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TODAY.

THE PURPOSE IS REALLY NOT TO GO OUT AND TO APPROVE A LOAN.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE NONE OF THE DOCUMENTATION.

THE AUDITOR HASN'T LOOKED AT ANYTHING ON THIS YET.

AND SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS GOING OUT TO START THE PROCESS SO THAT WE COULD THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS REALLY LOOKS LIKE FINANCIALLY TO ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE AUDITOR AND WITH ALL OF YOU TO DECIDE IF IT MAKES SENSE OR DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US.

BUT IT'S A PROGRAM A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES UTILIZE.

AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR LOOKING AT THIS.

I LOVE IT. YOU'VE ANSWERED BOTH MY QUESTIONS ALREADY, WHICH WERE WHAT WAS THE INTEREST RATE GOING TO BE? THE TERM. AND THEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT IN HERE IS NOT FINAL.

THESE ARE JUST LIKE PULLED OUT OF THE AIR PROJECTIONS COULD BE.

AND WE'LL GET ALL THAT FINAL INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

AS FAR AS SAVINGS. AND THEY'RE NOT PULLED OUT OF THE AIR.

IT IS AN ENGINEERING STUDY. SO I'M SAYING THEY'RE NOT THERE.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

OKAY. BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU ARE WERE THESE ALL BASED UPON NUMBERS THAT WE GAVE THEM ON OUR BILLING AND STUFF? YES, YES. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH, YEAH. WE PARTICIPATED IN THE STUDY.

THIS WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY OF 25. CORRECT. SO OKAY, SO I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT FINAL, BUT THEY'RE NOT JUST PULLED OUT OF THE AIR. I LOVE IT WHEN I'M CORRECTED BECAUSE THAT MEANS I'M GOING TO DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU.

WE ARE. SO YEAH. SO ANYWAY, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY LOOSE USE OF THE LANGUAGE THERE A MINUTE AGO.

BUT WE WILL GET FINAL NUMBERS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON THE LOAN AND THE SAVINGS AND ALL THAT.

SO I, I LOVE THIS, I READ IT, IT'S VERY, I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB WORKING ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND GO, GO FORTH. AND TO, TO BOBBY'S POINT, THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT $1 MILLION LOAN.

IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE ROUND NUMBERS WOULD BE, BUT I WOULD ALSO REMIND THE COURT IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION PROBLEM.

SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX THIS.

AND THIS GIVES US AN AVENUE TO DO SO. AUGUST 30TH OR 31ST IS THE DEADLINE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH MEREDITH ON SOME OF THE DEADLINES. SO AUGUST 31ST IS THE DEADLINE. SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND SOME SORT OF TIMING ON THIS SOON.

BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE TO THE COURT, IF WE DON'T GET A LOAN LIKE THIS IN VERY, VERY, VERY SHORT ORDER, THERE'S GOING TO BE $1 MILLION CAPITAL EXPENSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THAT, THAT PROJECT. AND JUST ANOTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE NEVER DONE ANY WORK ON THE LIBRARY THAT HAS A VERY SIMILAR SYSTEM.

SO THIS ISN'T THAT THESE SYSTEMS JUST BREAK. BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS SYSTEM IS BREAKING.

SO SO FIXING IT NEEDS TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY. THIS ISN'T LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING OUT SAYING, HEY, WE WANT ALL THESE LIGHTING SYSTEMS TO BE UPDATED. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, WE AIN'T GOING TO FIX IT.

THIS SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT.

SO THIS GIVES US AT LEAST A FUNDING MECHANISM TO DO SO.

SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT PART OF IT AS WELL.

GOT IT. SO YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, WHICH WAS REPORTING WHAT ADDITIONAL REPORTING OUTSIDE OF A LOAN ARE THEY GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO ENERGY AUDITS? AND I'M ASSUMING WHEN WE FILL OUT THE LOAN APPLICATION, WE'LL GET THE DETAILS OF WHAT THEY'RE.

YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THERE WILL BE SOME THERE IS SOME REPORTING REQUIRED, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT EXTENSIVE.

AND WE DON'T IT'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND DO ENERGY STUDY TO THEN SPEND MONEY AND LOSE OUR SAVINGS ON THIS LOW INTEREST LOAN. AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING STUDY THAT WAS DONE BEHIND THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY THE STATE AT NO COST TO US, WHICH IS GOOD. SO THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY GOOD FROM THE OUTSIDE.

WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A LOOK INSIDE. AND SO THE ASK WOULD BE TO PRETTY MUCH APPROVE THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, WHICH IS BOBBY AND MYSELF AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO WORK ON APPLYING FOR THE LOAN.

AND THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK THAT TO THE COURT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS OF AN UP AND DOWN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE ASK OF THE COURT IS TODAY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT WITH LISA AND WITH CRAIG.

ONCE WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT FOR YOU GUYS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER GALLANA AND STACY

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ALONG WITH THE, THE AUDITOR ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU SAID.

NO. OKAY. TO WORK ON SUBMITTING FOR THE LOAN APPLICATION TO THE LONE STAR PROGRAM THROUGH THE STATE ENERGY CONSERVATION OFFICE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MOLATE. I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTI. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. L DISCUSS AND ACT ON REBIDDING FOR VENDING MACHINE SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.L Discuss/Act on rebidding for vending machine services, and all related issues; (Judge New - County Auditor)]

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, LISA? NO, I WAS JUST PULLING IT UP. SORRY. WE. THE NEXT COUPLE OF ITEMS ARE ALL KIND OF RELATED.

THIS, OF COURSE, IS NOT. THIS, OF COURSE, IS NOT MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON VENDING MACHINES.

IT'S WHAT WE RECEIVE. AND I THINK I'M JUST WANTING TO CONFIRM IT.

I THINK MY BACKUP SAID THAT IT HADN'T BEEN DONE SINCE 2015, MAYBE.

SO I JUST THOUGHT IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME.

WE HAVE BEEN RENEWING ANNUALLY WITH THE SAME FIRM.

THEY KNOW NO PROBLEMS WITH THEIR SERVICE. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE MISSING OUT ON IF WE DON'T GO OUT AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. AND THIS IS A LONG APPLICATION, GENTLEMEN.

SORRY. NOT BAD FOR GOVERNMENT WORK. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE BOOKMARKS ON MINE.

WELL, IF THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WON'T MIND.

I DON'T MIND MAKING A MOTION. PLEASE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REBID THE VENDING MACHINE SERVICES AS PRESENTED.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GILANI.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE M DISCUSS AND ACT ON REBIDDING FOR GENERATOR SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.M Discuss/Act on rebidding for generator services, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

THIS SERVICE LISA AND I, THE AUDITOR AND I DISCUSSED THIS BECAUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ANNEX BUILDING AND THE GENERATOR, WE NEED TO ADD IT TO THE SERVICE. SO IT SEEMED LIKE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO GO OUT FOR THIS SERVICE.

DO WE HAVE ANY CURRENT ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT VENDOR? YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING SOMETIMES, BARRY.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MY, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE ANNEX BECAUSE THIS CONTRACT DIDN'T APPEAR TO HAVE IT THERE.

SO WE ARE IF IF THE COURT CHOOSES TO GO OUT TO REBID, WE ARE GOING TO.

YES, SIR. THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR ONE YEAR WARRANTY WITH HILL AND WILKINSON AND ALL OF THAT PROJECT, SO BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADD IT. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE FOR REBIDDING GENERATOR SERVICES INCLUDING THE ANNEX.

I'LL SECOND. GOT MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE N DISCUSS AND ACT ON REBIDDING FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.N Discuss/Act on rebidding for grounds maintenance services, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

WE JUST KEEP RENEWING AND MAYBE A GOOD TIME TO GO OUT TO BID AND JUST JUST CAN'T HELP BUT SAY IT.

THAT MAY HAVE A BACKWARDS EFFECT WITH FUEL PRICES WHERE THEY ARE.

I KNOW THESE GUYS ARE TAKING A BEATING. ALL, ALL ANYONE I'VE TALKED TO THAT IS IN THAT LINE OF WORK.

SO YOU MAY SEE AN INCREASE IN ANY BIDS THAT WE GET THERE.

I WOULD EXPECT IT. A QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK IS DO YOU AND I GET IT'S TIME.

BUT IS THE AGREEMENT OUT GOING TO BE OUTDATED IF WE DON'T REBID THIS BECAUSE WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO GET AN INCREASE? YEAH. NO. NO, SIR. WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IN WHEN WE RENEW? THEY HAVE TO THEY HOLD THEIR PRICES. SO BARRY MIGHT BE CORRECT ON THIS ONE THAT WE, WE WE JUST RENEW ONE MORE YEAR, ANY OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FUEL CHARGES.

EVEN THE EXTERMINATOR SERVICES WILL ADD A FUEL CHARGE BECAUSE OF WHERE, WHERE THE I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REBID, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO INCREASE PRICING MORE THAN LIKELY.

THE ONLY THING MY CONCERN AT THE ANNEX IS WE DID CUT THAT LANDSCAPING TREMENDOUSLY.

AND I THINK WE HAD SOME OTHER PLANS WITH MAYBE A COUNTY DEPARTMENT.

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I DON'T THINK THAT'S TAKING PLACE. AND I'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT LANDSCAPING KIND OF GETTING OUT OF HAND.

SO I'D EITHER LIKE A ONE TIME OR TWICE A YEAR THING WHERE WE HAVE AGS COME IN AND FRESHEN THAT UP OR SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO.

YEAH, I WOULD THINK A BIANNUAL. LET'S FIGURE THEM TWICE BECAUSE YEAH, WE DO WANT THE MASTER GARDENERS TO BE THE ONES THAT, THAT PLANT. AND YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, THEY MAY JUST BE WAITING ON THE GO AHEAD FROM US TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, EVERYTHING'S DONE. YEAH. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE DON'T YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T NEED THAT.

I JUST IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE IT BECAUSE TWICE A YEAR IT'S A GUESS CAN KIND OF SWARM AN AREA.

OKAY. SO WE'LL REMAIN WITH WITH THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE.

WE WON'T REBID AND BUT WE'LL ADD THE WE'LL ASK HIM FOR A COUPLE OF SERVICES A YEAR FOR THE LANDSCAPE.

YES, YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU THE FINAL PRICE.

YEP. AND PART OF THAT COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, I WANT HIM TO LOOK AT THOSE POSTS THAT ARE DRIVEN AROUND THE TREES, AROUND THE TREES AND ALL OVER THAT AREA. WHEN IT'S ELECTION TIME, IT SCARES ME TO DEATH.

PEOPLE ROAMING AROUND THERE. YEAH. BARRY, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ON ON THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE THAT'S UNDER AARON SELDON? BUT I THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD TOLD ME IN THE PAST THAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL DOES SOME THINGS.

THE CITY OF ROCKWALL HELPS OUT A LOT WITH OVERSEEDING AND THEN TAKING CARE OF THEIR AREA HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF CONSIDER THE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THE TRASH OUT, OUT ON THE CORNERS.

THAT IS AN UNWRITTEN PARTNERSHIP, BUT THEY DO QUITE A BIT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING THE, THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPING, THE LANDSCAPING. OKAY. BUT THEY DO COME IN WHEN THEY DO THEIR OVERSEEDING.

THEY JUST PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE SAYING THAT. THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. YES, YES THEY ARE. YES THEY ARE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE, WE ARE WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THREE IN.

WELL DON'T WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO RENEW IT.

THEIR AGREEMENT. OH THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RENEW OUR.

WE AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO EXTEND AN OFFER FOR ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWAL OF THE BID WITH A GS LANDSCAPING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIECHTY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLANA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. O DISCUSS AND ACT ON REBIDDING FOR EXTERMINATOR SERVICES AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.O Discuss/Act on rebidding for exterminator services, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

IS THAT THE SAME THOUGHT, COMMISSIONER GALLANA? IT'S MY THOUGHT ON NEARLY ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S JUST A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT RISKY FOR US TO TO GO OUT INTO THE WORLD HERE AND THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER DEAL UNLESS WE HAVE AN ISSUE. AND IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE OR THINK WE CAN GET BETTER SERVICE, THEN I'M ALL FOR IT.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH EXTERMINATOR SERVICES.

EVERY TIME I NEED THEM, I CALL BARRY. THEY COME.

OTHER AREAS, OTHER BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MY SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE WITH THEM IS.

IF I SEE SOMETHING, THEY COME AND.

THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO EXTEND AN OFFER FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWAL PERIOD FOR OUR AGREEMENT FOR.

WITH ENVIROTECH PROPERTY SERVICES FOR EXTERMINATOR SERVICES IN THE COUNTY.

BUT COUNTY BUILDINGS GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MITCHELL.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM £0.03 DISCUSS AND ACT ON UPDATES OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

[3.P Discuss/Act on updates of the Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Engineer)]

COMMISSIONER LIECHTY AND MISS ERICA BRIDGES. I WILL LET ERICA GIVE US AN UPDATE.

GOOD MORNING. THIS WILL BE JUST A REALLY QUICK UPDATE.

GOOD NEWS IS THAT FREESE AND NICHOLS IS MOVING ALONG, AND THEY HAVE SENT US THE DRAFT FOR THE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS OF THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE WHICH INCLUDED THE INTRO EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN THE ENGAGEMENT CHAPTER.

SO I'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND GETTING THEM ANY RED LINES.

THE ONLY OTHER ITEM I WOULD MENTION IS WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE OUR NEXT PROGRESS MEETING WITH THEM FOR THE END OF THE MONTH.

[01:25:02]

SO ANY QUESTIONS? ERICA, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'S DOING THE NOT NECESSARILY THE REDLINING, BUT JUST READING IT AND KIND OF LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS YOU JUST INDICATED ARE.

WELL, I, I DO KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF Y'ALL WERE ALSO IT WAS SHARED WITH YOU AS WELL.

I RECEIVED IT. YEAH. Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO ALSO REDLINE IT GIVE ANY COMMENTS? THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME A HARD DEADLINE FOR GETTING COMMENTS BACK TO THEM, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO GET IT DONE THIS WEEK, BUT NO LATER THAN NEXT WEEK.

OKAY. YEAH, I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO IT THIS WEEK.

I'M SORRY. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR LEGAL TEAM IS STILL LOOKING AT LEGAL TEAM.

IN THIS CASE, BEING DANIEL REY AND HIS FIRM ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE APPORTIONMENT ISSUES AND HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO. AND DANIEL'S ASSURED ME THAT HE'S DILIGENTLY GETTING AFTER IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERICA? I DON'T THINK ANY ACTION IS REQUIRED ON THAT.

SO THANK YOU EVERYONE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM THREE.

[3.Q Discuss/Act on a resolution involving The Air Quality Permit Number 183210 from the Texas Commissioner on Environmental Quality (TCEQ), and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

Q DISCUSS AND ACT ON A RESOLUTION INVOLVING THE AIR QUALITY PERMIT NUMBER 183210 FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH A QUICK POWERPOINT WITH THE HELP OF MEREDITH IN JUST A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU I BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST A COPY WAS PUT ON YOUR DESK.

SO WE'LL GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE WHEN IT POPS. THERE IT GOES.

IT'S HERE. DID IT. IS IT UP THERE? THERE IT IS.

OKAY, GREAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE THE ADDRESS OF 6558 FM 548. THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THIS BATCH PLANT REQUEST.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF 276 AND 548.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES OVER FROM A HUGE BATCH PLANT.

THAT IS IN CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE AND THAT IS THE JC BATCH PLANT.

AND THAT SUCKER IS BIG. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IS WHAT THE JC BATCH PLANT LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS WHAT THE BATCH PLANT APPLICATION LOOKS LIKE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE MACHINERY FOR A BATCH PLANT, SOME OF IT IS ALREADY ON SITE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.

AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD START TO A BATCH PLANT.