Jun 17, 2026 Commissioners Court Workshop Meeting

[2. Discussion of FY2027 Budget, and all related issues; (Judge New) ]

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GOOD MORNING. WELCOME BACK TO OUR SECOND DAY OF ROCKWALL COUNTY BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETINGS.

TODAY WE HAVE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE. NUMBER THREE, MARK RUSSO. WELCOME JUDGE RUSSO. THANK YOU.

JUDGE. HIT THE MICROPHONE. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS, IT'S AN HONOR TO START AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING AND AND TO BE THE FIRST ONE. NO PRESSURE. SO THANK YOU. ALL THIS YEAR WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF BUSY ACTIVITY FROM THE 2025 TIME TO THIS YEAR. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M REQUESTING THIS YEAR IS MY PART TIME TO GO TO FULL TIME. WE KEEP SEEING THE INCREASE ATTACHED TO BEING A FILE ABOUT OUR ACTIVITIES OF COURTS, THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISSEMINATE ANY DOCUMENTATION TODAY THAT YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED. I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO GET TO YOU ANYTHING THAT ANY FURTHER DOCUMENTATION QUESTIONS FROM TODAY, FEEL FREE. WE'LL GET IT TO YOU AS SOON AS I CAN. WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROXIMATELY $5,000, DEPENDING ON THE BID FOR A DEVICE FOR. THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO HEARING AIDS THAT ARE SECURE FOR OUR COURTROOM. THAT MONEY CAN COME OUT OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ACCESS FUND. SO WE THERE IS MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FOR THAT, BUT THAT IMPROVES THE EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE WHO ARE DEAF AND ADA COMPLIANCE. IT'S INNOVATIVE.

IT'S BY QR CODE, BUT ALSO WE HAVE HEADSETS ACCORDING FROM THE PRODUCT THAT I SAW, THAT ANYONE WITH A HEARING IMPAIRMENT CAN GET THAT ASSISTANCE. JUDGE RUSSO, WOULD THAT BE ONLY FOR JP THREE OR WOULD THE OTHER COURT, IF IT'S IN MY COURT, IT WOULD BE JP TWO AND THREE. IT WOULD BE BENEFIT. I DO RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IT ALSO FOR THE OTHER COURT AS WELL, WHICH WILL BE A TOTAL OF TEN. AGAIN, I'M TALKING FOR US. I DID TALK TO MY OTHER COURTS AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE IN FAVOR. IF THEY WOULD DO IT, THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. I'LL LET I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT IN MY CONVERSATION, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE ANYONE OBJECTED TO THAT. SO I THINK SORRY, SORRY, MARK, JUST THE THE LANGUAGE ACCESS FUND IS A RELATIVELY NEW FUND. THE JP PAY INTO IT. THE COUNTY COURTS AND THE DISTRICT COURTS. IT PROBABLY HAS ABOUT $50,000 AVAILABLE IN IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE IT BUDGETED THIS YEAR AS WELL, BUT I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED IT TO THE POINT THAT IT'S 100% THAT YOU COULD USE IT FOR HEARING IMPAIRED. BUT, YOU KNOW, SIGN LANGUAGE IS CONSIDERED A LANGUAGE ACCESS. SO I WOULD I WOULD THINK IT WOULD. SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY MONEY COME OUT OF THE ACCOUNT? NO, SIR. IT WAS BASICALLY A NEW A NEW FEE THAT WE KIND OF ADDED. I THINK THERE WAS JUST IN 26 OR MAYBE IN 25, BUT I'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH IN IT. BUT JUDGE RUSSO AND I DISCUSSED THINGS YESTERDAY EVENING, AND THAT'S HOW IT KIND OF POPPED UP TO EXISTENCE, THAT MAYBE THIS WAS A GOOD, GOOD PLACE TO BUY THESE THINGS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT. WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DISTRICT COURT'S PLANS ARE WITH WITH THE MONEY. YEAH. SO I WILL I'LL DO SOME MORE. BUT AS OF NOW, I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY ASSUME, AND YOU SAID THAT THAT FUND HAS 5000 APPROXIMATELY IN IT RIGHT NOW, APPROXIMATELY. IT LOOKS LIKE WE DID COLLECT IN 2025 ABOUT 1700 $0. SO IT'S NOT A HUGE MONEY COMING IN, BUT IT WOULD SUSTAIN 5 OR $10,000 PURCHASE FOR COURTROOMS. WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? LISA. IT'S A FEE. SO I'M IMAGINING IT'S PROBABLY FROM CLERK. EACH OF THE CASES PROBABLY HAVE A SMALL PORTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE EACH OF THE COURTS DO COLLECT IT AND PAY INTO IT. YEAH. SO I'LL GET YOU THE STATUTE AND SEND IT OVER THIS AFTERNOON. OKAY. AND ALSO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR MONEY ON THAT. BECAUSE IF THIS IS 6500 AND WE PUT THEM IN ALL FOR JP, THAT WOULD BE WHAT, 27, 26,000, RIGHT? NO, IT'S WE SHARE A COURTROOM. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE TWO COURTROOMS THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT COURTROOMS. YEAH. IT'S ONLY IMPACTING TWO COURTROOMS. YEAH. SO BUT IF I HEARD LISA RIGHT, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE DISTRICT COURTS WOULD WANT AS WELL. WELL, THAT WAS GOING TO GO TO MY NEXT QUESTION. IT'S I MEAN, ONE OF THE PAGES ON HERE REFERENCES THE ADA REQUIRING EQUAL ACCESS COMMUNICATION FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH HEARING LOSS. SO DOES THAT MEAN RIGHT NOW OUR COURTS ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. IT'S A BETTER WAY TO IMPROVE. THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW TECHNOLOGY. I THINK WE'RE GETTING AHEAD. AND I THINK WE'RE LEADING. NOT A

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SERIOUSLY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT JUST I MEAN THAT I'LL TAKE MY TEAM IN OLYMPIC TRIAL ALL DAY LONG. THEY'RE ALL AMAZING IN THEIR OWN WAY. THEY'RE WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, RIGHT? WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES. BUT TOGETHER, I THINK WE MAKE A GREAT TEAM. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING AN INCREASE ON POSTAGE. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. IT'S OUT OF. AND I THINK YOU'LL. AND I THINK THE AUDITOR WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

I'M VERY MUCH OF A FISCAL HAWK ON MY BUDGET. I'M VERY TIGHT. AND I EVERY YEAR WENT TO TRIM.

UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE INFLATION AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED, I AM NOW CAUGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY MY 14 YEARS ON THE BENCH WHERE EVERYTHING. THE COST WENT BEYOND WHAT WE NORMALLY WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE. WE ARE GETTING MORE WORKLOAD. WE ARE GETTING BUSIER, MORE DEBT CLAIMS, MORE FILINGS ACROSS THE BOARD, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THE COURTS. WE'RE. WE WE ARE AT MAX CAPACITY. ALSO OUR MAGISTRATE WORKLOAD, WHICH IS PART OF OUR DUTIES AND WHAT WE SHARE. BUT MAGISTRATE IS IN OUR AT THE JAIL. WE'RE WE'RE AT WE'RE AT WE'RE EXTREME NUMBERS. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EXTRA WORK THERE TOO. SO IT'S IMPACTING US ON A WEEKEND BECAUSE WE ONLY WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE LIKE MAYBE 50 CASES THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE WEEKEND THAT THEY HAVE TO CATCH

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WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN. WE'RE REALLY TRYING. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE I HAVE AN UNANTICIPATED COST LINE THAT IS JUST FOR COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS. AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN SOMETIMES IS WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO APPOINT IN A VERY RARE, BUT IT'S AN INTEREST OF JUSTICE. WE DO TRUANCY. SO THEY ARE ENTITLED TO A COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY IN A TRUANCY MATTER IF THEY REQUEST ONE. SO THAT IS WHY THAT FUND IS THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT. AND ALSO, I'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE 16 YEAR OLD TRAFFIC TICKET AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE CASE SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW. I LOVE TO SHARE, BUT I DON'T THINK FOR AN OPEN LINE THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT WE MADE A 16 YEAR OLD WHO HAD THE WORST DAY OF THEIR LIFE, LOST THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS, AND THEY WERE IN A TRICKY WICKET. AND WE FIXED IT WITH A GUARDIAN AD LITEM AND GOT IT MOVING. AND IT'S JUST DOING THINGS AND GIVING CONFIDENCE IN THE JUDICIARY, AND IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO. I THINK WE WE ARE WE JUST HAVE BEEN BUSY. YOU WILL SEE BY OUR NUMBERS OUR COURT IS INCREASING. WE ARE DISPOSING CASES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO KEEP THOSE CASES MOVING. THE OTHER PART THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY ON AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE, THAT IS AGAIN ON INQUESTS. I'M STARTING. WHEN I GO ON CALL, WE'RE ABOUT AVERAGING EIGHT DEATHS A WEEK.

AND THOSE EIGHT DEATHS, YOU KNOW, ADD UP. AND THAT IS MONEY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY OUR BEST NOT TO SEND FOR AN AUTOPSY, BUT IT HAPPENS. BUT WE THINK WE HAVE SOME MEASURES IN PLACE WITH MAYBE A DIFFERENT PLACE TO GO THAT WILL SAVE US SOME MONEY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH OTHER RESOURCES TO SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY ACTIVELY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JUDGE RUSSO? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I ASKED LISA TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION THAT I WANT TO GIVE TO EVERYBODY. WE ARE GETTING BOMBARDED WITH STATS, AND I KNOW IT'S IT'S OVERWHELMING TO ME, YOU GUYS PROBABLY NOT. BUT TO ME IT IS. BUT WE GET BOMBARDED WITH STATS.

BUT ONE STAT THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING HERE IS COLLECTIONS ON A PER COURT BASIS. AND I'VE GOT THIS IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED BY LISA. AND IF NOTHING ELSE, IT SHOWS THAT PRECINCT THREE JP COURT COLLECTS MORE FINES THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S TWO PAGES, ONE IS FINES AND ONE IS FEES, FEES. THEY'RE ALL RELATIVELY CLOSE. FOUR IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT PRECINCT THREE FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS JUSTIFIES ANYTHING, AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SPEAK LESS OF ANY OF THE OTHER JP'S, BECAUSE THERE ARE PROBABLY REASONS FOR THIS, BUT THEIR FEE COLLECTION IS SIGNIFICANT, DEFINITELY HIGHER. SO THAT'S JUST ONE MORE STEP TO PUT IN YOUR OVERWHELMING STAT FILE. SO, COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND THIS IS JUST WHAT I BELIEVE. I KNOW YOU

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THERE'S NO MONEY THAT IS COLLECTED ON IT, THAT THOSE ALL ARE CASES THAT STILL REQUIRE COUNTY RESOURCES AND MONEY. ALSO, I ALWAYS CAUTION, AND I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT I JUST WOULD SAY ON RECORD, JUDICIARY ISN'T ABOUT REVENUE, IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE THAT CLEAR IN MY PITCH THAT, YES, MONEY IS WHAT WE DO. WE DO HAVE REVENUE THAT COMES IN AND WE DO GENERATE REVENUE, BUT OUR MAIN PRIORITY IS TO DISPENSE JUSTICE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M MAKING THAT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT RESULTS. AND IN PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY AND SAFETY. SO BUT TO PLAY ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE I, I DO LIKE YOUR REPORT. YOU GAVE US THE SUMMARY OF YOUR ACTIVITY BY YOUR COURT. AND I'M I'M REFERENCING THE ONE FROM OCTOBER 1ST TILL APRIL 30TH THAT YOU HAVE. AND IT IS SHOWING THAT YOU HAVE A HIGHER PERCENT OF DISPOSED CASES THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COURTS. AND SO I. IS THAT ALSO A REFLECTION OF THE OF THE OF THE FEES THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS REFERRING TO? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I THINK I THINK IT'S JUST I HAVE A I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL HAVE GREAT STAFFS. I JUST THINK IT'S JUST THE WAY I OPERATE MY COURT, I DON'T I DON'T MEAN THAT I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. I THINK WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT. I. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE ALL ARE A TEAM AND WE ALSO WHEN WE TO KEEP IT GOING, THE JUDGES WILL ALL WORK TOGETHER TO OFFSET THE KEEP ALL THE COURTS RUNNING. WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS OF OTHER JUDGES THAT GOT SICK. WE JUMP IN. IT'S A TEAM. AND I THINK, AGAIN, THAT IS THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN OTHER COUNTIES. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS WHEN WE'RE ON CALL, I CAN CALL JUDGE NORTON, JUDGE MESSER, JUDGE WHITTEN. I KNOW THAT WHENEVER I NEED SOMETHING, I CAN GO TO HIM AND WE CAN COVER EACH OTHER IN THOSE MOMENTS OF CRISIS. AND THAT'S NOT EVERY COUNTY IS NOT THAT WAY. I HONESTLY, THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COVER AN INTANGIBLE. I CAN ATTEST TO IT BETWEEN YOU AND JUDGE NORTON ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. YOU SAID YOUR AVERAGE WEEKEND REGISTRATION IS ABOUT 50. IS THAT IS THAT AN AVERAGE? IS THAT HIGH. THAT'S A LOW. THAT'S AN AVERAGE. I MEAN I THINK AND THAT'S AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I AS A WEEKEND THAT'S FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO COUNT IT AND SAY SATURDAY, SUNDAY, THAT'S FAIR. I, I WOULD SAY YOU COULD STILL GET AROUND 35, I WOULD SAY 15 TO 15 IS THEIR AVERAGE A DAY. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT HAS BEEN OUR AVERAGE LATELY. GEORGE NORTON, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? ON AVERAGE, 15, 15 A DAY TYPICALLY, YEAH, ON AVERAGE IT CAN FLUCTUATE ON WEEKENDS, THOUGH IT CAN GET UP TO 25 A DAY. IT CAN GET TO WEEKENDS. IT GETS BUSIER. THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. THE OTHER THING IS I'M GOING TO MEREDITH. FOR SOME REASON, I HAVE NONE OF THE STATS THAT THEY HAVE ON JP THREE. SO CAN YOU TRACK THOSE DOWN FOR ME? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER GALLARDO DIDN'T GET THEM EITHER, WHICH IS ME AS WELL. OKAY. I CAN GET YOU THE REGISTRATION PART. OKAY.

AND AND THAT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOUR REQUEST IS SIMPLE, YOUR BUDGET SIMPLE. YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A PART TIME PERSON TO GO TO A FULL TIME PERSON. WE'LL LOOK AT THE CASELOADS AND FIGURE THAT OUT. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT THAT WOULD ASSIST IN THE NEED TO NOT TAKE THIS PART TIME PERSON TO A FULL TIME PERSON? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER CASEY, I AM ALL ABOUT NOT GETTING STAFF AND NOT ADDING THE STAFF. I, I MEAN, I THINK THROUGH THE YEARS, IF I KNEW A WAY TO REALLY REDUCE THAT. YES, SIR. IT'S GOTTEN TO A POINT, THOUGH, THAT THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE FILINGS. IT'S COMING IN LIKE A SIEVE. UNFORTUNATELY, GETTING THE DOCUMENTS AND GETTING IT ONLINE, I THINK WE'VE LED WITH DOCKETS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY DID SAVE SOME TIME. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO GO TO PAPERLESS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. WE MAGISTRATE, WE'RE TRYING. AS NORTON IS LEADING ON THE MAGISTRATE IN DIGITAL, WHICH I THINK WILL HELP AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO REDUCE A LITTLE BIT, BUT AT THE GROWTH OF WHAT WE ARE AS A COUNTY, OUR GROWTH IN POPULATION AND OUR WORK IS INCREASING BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY, A PERCENTAGE MIGHT BE LOW, BUT A PERCENTAGE, A 2% CRIME RATE AT 144,000 IS DIFFERENT THAN A CRIME RATE OF 2% AT 64,000. SO STATISTICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO

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SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT. I THINK RIGHT NOW TECHNOLOGY IS MAKING IT LONGER, TO BE FAIR WITH THE PSR, WITH THE REPORTING SYSTEM. SO THE STATE SAID THAT WE CAN DO SAY IT BECAUSE I'M NOT SAYING WHAT WE CALL IT. WHAT IS IT UNFUNDED MANDATE? NO, NO, NO, THE THE SYSTEM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY REPORTING SYSTEM. YEAH. BECAUSE I CALL IT WHAT TONY CALLS IT. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT DON'T MICROPHONE. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT YOU CAN THANK JUDGE JAMES FOR THAT ONE. THAT SYSTEM WAS MANDATED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO BE FULLY OPERATIONAL WITH CASE MANAGEMENT AND JAIL MANAGER WITH TYLER BY THE END OF LAST YEAR, AND IT'S STILL NOT. SO SO THEY PASSED IT AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT IT WORKS WITH ALL OF THESE SOFTWARE. SO IT'S ON THE STATE. THE STATE HAS NOT MADE IT. SO IT ACTUALLY TALKS TO THE SOFTWARE. CORRECT. SO WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE STATE TO SAY OKAY, YOU'RE MAKING US ACCESS THIS. WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE THAT CAN GRAB THE INFORMATION AND YOU'RE STOPPING US FROM GRABBING THE INFORMATION. AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT, COMMISSIONER STACY, THE LAW ACTUALLY STATES THAT OCA SHALL DO IT AND DO IT. WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CREATED THE SYSTEM, AND THEN THEY WENT DOWN TO US AND SAID, YOU HAVE TO PUT THE DATA IN. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW SAYS, BUT THEIR OCA IS SAYING, YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT DATA IN. AND THAT'S. SO IT'S AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. AND THE MANPOWER HOURS IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY WHEN IT SHOULD BE COMING FROM THE STATE. THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS REPORTING SYSTEM IS IT'S TRACKING EVERY MINUTE. WE HAVE TO PUT IN HOUR TO HOUR. SO NOW IT'S WATCHING US AND WHAT WE DO. SO WE'RE GETTING MANAGED NOW BY THIS OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION ON OUR MAGISTRATES AND OUR TIMES. SO IT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IN AND OUT ON A IN A PRUDENT WAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO PUNISH THE COURTS. SO DO WE FEEL THAT WE'RE USING ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO US IN THE COURT? I BELIEVE I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER. I MEAN, TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING SO FAST AND RAPIDLY.

IT'S LIKE AI. BUT LET ME SAY WITH THAT ON AI, AI IS GOOD, BUT IT'S STILL WHAT THE DATA YOU PUT IN, AND IT CAN CREATE HALLUCINATIONS AND IT CAN MAKE YOU WORK HARDER BECAUSE OF MISTAKES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A COMPUTER. YOU STILL NEED EYES, EYES ON THE PRIZE. YOU STILL NEED PEOPLE TO REVIEW AND YOU NEED COMMON SENSE. A COMPUTER JUST GIVES YOU DATA AND IT'S ONLY WHAT YOU PUT IN. SO IT'S STILL BASED ON WHAT THE USER IS DOING. SO I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS NOT TO TRUST EVERYTHING IN AI GIVES YOU. IT IS STILL A COMPUTER. SO YOU STILL NEED THAT HUMAN TOUCH AND PROCESS. AND I THINK WHAT WE DO IN JUSTICE IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE INTENT IS. AND I DON'T THINK A COMPUTER CAN DO THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO DO MORE THINGS. I DO THINK WITH OCA, SINCE AGAIN, MY COURT IS A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE. I THINK FROM THE OCA STANDARD WE ARE LEADING. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS COURT IS DOING EVERYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND EVERY YEAR WITH MY COURT EXCELLENCE, I REPORT TO THEM AS WELL WHAT WE'VE IMPROVED. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL COURTS ARE DOING THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAINTAIN OUR EXCELLENCE. SO WE ARE ONE OF ONLY 15 COURTS IN THE STATE OF ALL THE COURTS. THAT'S JUSTICE COURTS, DISTRICT COURTS, COUNTY COURTS AT LAW. THEY ALL. SO THERE ARE ONLY 15 COURTS THAT HAVE THIS DESIGNATION. SO I WOULD SAY BACK TO THE COURT, I FEEL I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN LEADING. BUT AGAIN, I DO ALWAYS THINK THAT I CAN DO BETTER AND I ALWAYS TRY TO DO BETTER. I'M NOT THE SAME JUDGE I WAS WHEN I FIRST STARTED. AND IF I'M THE SAME JUDGE THAT I AM IN TWO YEARS, THEN I'M NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE GETTING BETTER OR CHANGING. IF YOU. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE. YOU ALWAYS BE WHAT YOU BE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I THINK YOU SHOULD DO BETTER EVERY YEAR AND

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ALL RIGHT, JUDGE NORTON, COME ON DOWN. GOOD MORNING SIR. IF IT'S IF IT'S RED, IT'S ON. YEAH.

YOU'RE YOU'RE LIVE NOW. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. HERE. LET ME THANK YOU SIR. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THE BUDGET REQUEST JUSTIFICATION FOR THE PART TIME EMPLOYEE THAT I'VE REQUESTED THIS THIS PAPERWORK I JUST GIVE YOU KIND OF BREAKS DOWN AND PROJECTS OUT TO THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. WHAT OUR PROJECTED CASELOAD IS, IS GOING TO BE. I JUST WANT TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN HERE. SO THE AVERAGE NEW FILINGS THAT WE HAVE IS 151 CASES A MONTH. THAT'S BOTH CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. THAT'S NOT COUNTING REGISTRATIONS AT ALL. THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN ANY OF THESE NUMBERS. SO OUR ACTIVE BACKLOG TREND, WITH THE INCREASING THROUGH BY ROUGHLY 35 CASES EACH MONTH, INDICATING THAT INCOMING CASES AND HISTORICAL BACKLOGS ARE OUTPACING OUR MONTHLY COURT DISPOSITION PROCESS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OUR CLERKS HAVE TO PREPARE EVERYTHING AND KIND OF TRACKING BACK ON WHAT DANA ASKED, WHY IS JP1 PROCESSING CASES FASTER? I THINK IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT PART TIME EMPLOYEE THAT THAT Y'ALL GRANTED THEM LAST YEAR. THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE CASES. I MEAN, THREE, SORRY, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE CASES PREPARED TO GET PUT ON A DOCKET QUICKER. AND THEREFORE HE'S ABLE TO PROCESS THOSE TO A DISPOSITION POINT AND GET THEM OUT OF THE COURT QUICKER. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT EMPLOYEE THAT Y'ALL GRANTED LAST YEAR WITH OUR ACTIVE PENDING CASES, WE'RE ANTICIPATED TO INCREASE 20.9% WITH OPEN CASE BACKLOG ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 3838 CASES OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. SO ON A ON THE SUMMARY OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND EXHAUSTIVE OPERATIONAL AUDIT OF THE PAST TEN MONTHS OF OUR COURT DATA, AND I HAVE SOME STUFF THAT GOES BACK TO 2023 AS WELL. LATER IN THIS DOCUMENT. WHILE THE MONTHLY CRIMINAL FILINGS ARE STEADY, OUR TOTAL ACTIVE CASELOAD IS PROJECTED TO EXPAND BY 20.9%, AND THE INVENTORY INFLATION WAS DRIVEN HEAVILY BY PROJECTED 61.7% INCREASE IN CIVIL DEBT. CLAIMS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY

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AND IT'S PROJECTED 49% 2020 BY THE END OF 2020. I'M GOING TO REPEAT THAT BACK TO YOU AND TELL ME IF YOU THINK THIS IS ACCURATE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU TOOK OFFICE IN 2023, YOU SAID, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S THE WORKLOAD. THAT'S THE CASE.

THAT WAS THE CURRENT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LET ME FINISH. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS HOW MANY CASES WE GET. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROCESSING. THEN YOU HAD A 14% INCREASE AND THEN YOU HAD ANOTHER 17% INCREASE. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 18% INCREASE.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SAYING. CORRECT. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. YES.

AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THAT'S THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WILL INCREASE. WELL, THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL WORKLOAD INCREASE FOR THE COURT. OKAY. BECAUSE THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. WE GET THESE MONTHLY REPORTS FROM YOU. ALL CORRECT. AND EVERY ONE OF THE COURT'S YOU'RE NOT THE JP COURTS. YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS. CORRECT. THE ACTIVE CASE NUMBERS PERPETUALLY INCREASE. CORRECT. AND IT'S IT'S I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN A JUSTICE OF THE PEACE. BUT IF IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST BUILDING A BOMB OF BACKLOGGED CASES, AND I'VE ASKED JUDGE RUSSO WHAT GOES INTO THOSE CASES AND WHY THEY DON'T WORK THROUGH. BUT THERE IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT CAN OCCUR WITH A CASE. CONTINUANCES IS A BIG THING.

AND, YOU KNOW, BY LAW, THEY'RE THEY'RE ENTITLED TO A CONTINUANCE IF THEY HAVE A JUSTIFIABLE. AND YOU KNOW THAT AS AN ATTORNEY. SURE. SO, I MEAN, EACH CASE IS IS VERY SPECIFIC. WELL, AND I GET THAT. AND I, AND I, I TOTALLY GET IT. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR COURT, IT'S EVERY COURT. THEY'RE ALL THE JP COURTS ARE DOING THIS. CORRECT. IF WE INCREASED FILING, YOU REFERENCED THE PART TIME PERSON THAT WE GAVE TO JP THREE LAST YEAR AND HOW THAT IMPROVED THINGS, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY COURT GETS A PART TIME PERSON, WOULD IT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM OR WOULDN'T IT? WELL, IF WE JUST KEEP BUILDING THIS SNOWBALL OF BACKLOGGED CASES, NO, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BUILD A SNOWBALL BACKLOG CASES. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM PROCESS THOSE CASES THAT ARE INCOMING INTO THE COURT TO, TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN GET THEM ON A DOCKET AND GET THEM RESOLVED QUICKER. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET TO A POINT?

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BUT IF CASELOADS KEEP GOING, CASELOADS GOING UP. AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING. IT'S NOT GOING DOWN AT THE MOMENT. I MEAN, IT COULD AND MY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MY CRIMINAL FILINGS, THEY'RE KIND OF STAYING THE SAME. THEY'RE KIND OF UP AND DOWN. BUT THE INCREASE IN IN DEBT CLAIMS HAS HAS WENT UP EXPONENTIALLY. WELL, SURE. AND AND I GET THAT INCREASED CASE FILINGS. TOTALLY GET IT. IT'S GOING TO KEEP GROWING AS WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, I GET IT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN STAFF THE COURTS WHERE WE CAN STAY EVEN. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGE OR NUMBER? I'M TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS. I'M TALKING ABOUT IF TODAY YOUR COURT HAS 3000 ACTIVE CASES, COULD WE STAFF IT IN A WAY, NEXT YEAR IT WOULD STILL BE 3000. INSTEAD OF GOING TO 3300.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. I DON'T KNOW, I'D LOOK AT IT LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL CASELOAD VERSUS A STATIC NUMBER. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CASES THAT ARE BACKLOGGED, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IT AS A TOTAL NUMBER BECAUSE AS HE CONTINUES TO GROW HIS CASE VOLUME, THAT NUMBER IS LIKELY TO GROW NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. I MEAN, I'M WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET IT DOWN. I JUST GOT TO GET IT ON THE DOCKET SO WE CAN GET RID OF IT. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM. IT'S OH, NO, WE'RE SAYING YOU'RE ASKING FOR PEOPLE. OTHER PEOPLE. JUDGE RUSSO ASKED FOR ANOTHER PERSON. AND IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET TO A BREAK? EVEN DISTRICT ATTORNEY CAME IN YESTERDAY AND PROUDLY PROCLAIMED THAT SHE GETS RID OF 97% OF HER CASES WITHIN A YEAR.

WERE THE JP COURTS ARE DIFFERENT ANIMALS, AND SHE'S A DISTRICT ATTORNEY. SHE'S NOT A JUDGE. SO IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. BUT JUST IS THERE A WAY WE CAN STAFF IT TO WHERE WE STAY EVEN? AND THERE IT TO ME, IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO STAFF IT. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL LET TONY SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT A MINUTE AGO WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO MAYBE GET CASES PREPARED FOR DISPOSAL. YEAH, THERE'S A PROCESS. WE HAVE TO INTAKE IT. WE HAVE TO GET IT READY TO BE PUT ON A DOCKET. WE'VE INCREASED OUR CRIMINAL DOCKET, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THREE EXCEPT FOR THE WEEK I'M ON CALL. WE'RE RUNNING A CRIMINAL DOCKET JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEK. THE CIVIL DOCKET, SAME WAY IS, YOU KNOW, I'M. I MEAN, ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO IS GO TO FRIDAYS. I MEAN, WE WE HAVE COURT, WE SHARE COURTROOM. SO WE SPLIT IT TWO DAYS A WEEK. YOU KNOW, FRIDAYS ARE OPEN AND WE COULD ADD ANOTHER DOCKET IF WE NEEDED TO.

THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP, HELP PROCESS THAT ALONG. YEAH. AND IT'S AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRYING TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE. AND WE ARE DOING THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I UNDERSTAND THANK YOU. I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT THE THE CONSTITUENTS TO HAVE TO SUFFER AND WAIT, YOU KNOW, FOR A CASE TO GET MOVED THROUGH THE COURT. I TOTALLY AGREE. SO, JUDGE NORTON, YOU DID JUST STATE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A SOMETHING TO TEST WOULD BE MAYBE HAVING A DOCKET ON FRIDAYS TO SEE HOW HOW THAT FROM A, YOU KNOW, WELL, WITH THE SYSTEM, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF SOMEONE, WE WOULD HAVE TO SPLIT THAT WITH WITH OTHER COURT THAT YOU JUST GET IT 20 YOU'D GET IT ONE WEEK, ONE DAY OUT OF A MONTH ON FRIDAY OUT OF A MONTH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED THERE'S FOUR FRIDAYS IN A MONTH, RIGHT. YOU COULD HAVE IT TWO, TWO FRIDAYS. CORRECT. YES. OH YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S TWO COURTS. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CARRY ON, JUDGE NORTON. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WERE ON THE WORKLOAD INDEX. SO YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE IN THE CRIMINAL BACKLOG SINCE 2023. IT'S UP 30 TO 35% SINCE I TOOK OFFICE. THE CIVIL CASELOAD. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MAINLY THE

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WE'RE ABOUT 15 MAGISTRATE OR 15 MAGISTRATE ON AVERAGE PER DAY THAT WE'RE ON CALL. SO WE'RE PROJECTED OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS TO COLLECT APPROXIMATELY 29 OR 2, $295,000 IN TRANSACTION VALUES BETWEEN NOW AND LATE 2027, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OVER WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WHICH IS RIGHT UNDER 200 000. AND THE PROJECTION OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS IS OUR WORKLOAD IS GOING TO INCREASE OVER WHERE IT'S AT NOW, AN ADDITIONAL 15 TO 20%.

SO AND THEN I PROVIDED SOME STATISTICAL DATA THAT'S THERE TO SUPPLEMENT. IT'S MORE DETAILED GOING INTO MORE DETAILS FOR THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF CASELOADS THAT WE ENCOUNTER.

FOR YOUR REFERENCE. I STILL GO BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I BELIEVE WAS TRYING TO GET TO. AND THAT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT COUNTY COURT, AT LAW ONE, YOU HAVE AN OPERATION THAT EXISTS IN COUNTY COURT OF LAW ONE, AND I'M JUST PICKING ON A COURT. IT COULD BE ANY RANDOM COURT, AND IT IS STAFFED TO A LEVEL THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MOVING CASES. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT SEVERAL OF OUR DISTRICT JUDGES HAVE BRAGGED ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THEY MOVE CASES. I'M JUST I'M JUST REPEATING INFORMATION. I'M NOT STATING ANYTHING CRAZY OR EDITORIALIZING. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS, IS OUR STAFFING MODEL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE TO MATCH THE WORKLOAD? IS IT JUST ADDING A PERSON? IS IT ADDING A POSITION? COULD IT BE STAFFING THE COURTROOM ITSELF TO MOVE THINGS THROUGH AND KEEPING CLERKS OPERATIONAL? I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THAT IS RIGHT.

I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THAT IS WRONG. I'M JUST SAYING, HAVE WE GONE BACK AND SAID ADDING A PART TIME CLERK IS THE BEST ANSWER TO WHAT OUR PROBLEMS ARE, OR IS ADDING A PART TIME CLERK JUST THE ONLY ANSWER WE'VE EVER COME UP WITH? IF WE'RE CREATING THIS INCREASED WORKLOAD, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD LOOK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THESE CLERKS ARE DOING COURT COORDINATION. THEY'RE DOING CLERKS, THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THIS OPERATING FUNCTION. ADDING MORE OF THEM MIGHT WORK OR DIVIDING THE WORK MIGHT WORK. AND I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW THE ANSWERS. I'M. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE HEART OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE. ARE WE ORGANIZED INSTITUTIONALLY IN A WAY TO HANDLE THIS UPTICK, OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT? IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT? AND COULD WE LOOK AT DOING THAT SO THAT WE ARE GETTING AHEAD AND KEEPING UP WITH OUR TRENDS AND I DON'T KNOW, CAN CAN I, CAN I IT HAS A QUESTION TO YOU, NOT TO THEM. RIGHT. CAN CAN I ANSWER THAT WITH A QUESTION? HOW MANY CLERKS DO THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW AND THE DISTRICT COURTS HAVE? SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S WHAT WHAT IS IT? IN A MISDEMEANOR COURT, THERE'S ABOUT 3 OR 4 OF THEM THAT STAY UP THERE FOR WRITING JUDGMENTS, DOING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO THAT'S A PLUS ONE FOR THEM. PLUS, IF IT'S A COUNTY COURT AT LAW, THE DISTRICT CLERK PROVIDES EMPLOYEES. COUNTY CLERK. I WAS COUNTING THAT AS A CLERK, THE COUNTY CLERK. I WAS COUNTING A DAY CLERK AS WELL. NO, THE CLERKS ARE IN FELONY COURTS, SO THE COUNTY CLERK WOULD PROVIDE TWO. THERE WOULD BE A CLERK, SO THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 3 OR 4 OF THEM WORKING IN THE COURTROOM. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST SPITBALLING. I DON'T HAVE THE FULL ANSWER. AND THEN THE DISTRICT CLERK WOULD HANDLE THE, THE, THE BIGGER COURTS. YES. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 5 TO 6 EMPLOYEES THAT THEY'RE MOVING CASES. AND WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT WITH THE TWO EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING UPSTAIRS. WE'RE DOING WITH TWO EMPLOYEES. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT LAUREN WAS TRYING TO ASK. AND IT'S I MEAN, IF I HAD A DISTRICT CLERK OR, I MEAN A COUNTY CLERK THAT WAS COMING UP TO HANDLE MY CASES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PROCESSED AND FILED APPROPRIATELY, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING INTERNALLY. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THE WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE LUXURY OF HAVING THE COUNTY CLERK TAKING CARE OF OUR CASE FILES. OKAY. LET ME GO

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I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAGISTRATE A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO TELL ME HOW WHEN IT'S YOUR WEEK FOR MAGISTRATE, HOW THAT IMPACTS THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO RUN THE REST OF YOUR OFFICE. WELL, WITH MAJESTY, IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER THAT JAILINGS WE HAVE COME IN, IT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM A SIX HOUR DAY TO A FULL EIGHT HOUR DAY OR MORE, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE HAVE, AND THEN TAKING CARE OF THE DEATH CALLS THAT WE HAVE DURING THAT DAY OR DURING THAT WEEK.

SO I NORMALLY DON'T SCHEDULE A COURT DOCKET UNLESS I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING PULLED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. NOW WE'LL SCHEDULE EVICTION CASES BECAUSE THEY'RE TIME SENSITIVE, AND WE'LL PROCESS THOSE. IT'S GETTING IT'S GETTING TO A POINT NOW BECAUSE I JUST DID THIS THIS MORNING, IS SIT DOWN WITH MY CLERK AND WENT OVER, WHEN, WHEN CAN WE DO BOND MODIFICATION HEARINGS? AND SO WE'RE HEARING THOSE IN THE AFTERNOON HOPING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BIG CASE LOAD AT THE JAIL. SO THAT'S THAT'S STARTING TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN. YOUR MAGISTRATE TWICE A DAY YOU'RE GOING IN THE MORNING SOMETIMES AND GOING BACK IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE USUALLY DOING ONCE A DAY EARLY IN THE MORNINGS TO TRY TO STAY CONSISTENT. YEAH. SO WE DON'T THROW A WRENCH IN THE PROCESS AT THE JAIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STOP DOING THINGS TO, TO HELP DO THE MAGISTRATE AND BRING PEOPLE TO US. SO WE TRY NOT TO, WE TRY NOT TO IMPACT THE JAIL OPERATIONS AS, AS, AS LITTLE AS WE CAN. OKAY. SO WHAT, AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING HARD ON SOME THINGS TO DO WITH MAGISTRATE WITH COMMISSIONER STACEY, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE. IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT YOU ASKED? IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MAGISTRATE I MEAN, THE WEEK THAT YOU'RE ON, IT TAKES UP. IT'S YOUR WHOLE WEEK REALLY. I MEAN, CORRECT, IT REALLY IS. NOT TO MENTION THE DEATH CALLS. YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING OUT OUTSIDE OF NORMAL HOURS. SO IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT? WELL, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. YES. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MAGISTRATE PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TYLER FOR 18 MONTHS NOW. YEAH, YEAH. FOR THE PAPERLESS MAGISTRATE PROJECT. AND AS OF TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE A TESTABLE PRODUCT TO EVEN LOOK AT. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THE 2026 UPDATE IS JUST THREW A WRENCH IN EVERYTHING BECAUSE NOW PRODUCTION CAN'T TALK TO TESTING AND WE CAN'T GET FORMS TO, TO WORK IN THERE. SO I'M HOPEFUL. I'M HOPEFULLY OPTIMISTIC, BUT I'M ALSO REALISTIC THAT, YOU KNOW, TYLER, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THEY'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO JUMP IN JUST FOR A SECOND. TONY. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, BUT GO AHEAD. SO SO THIS THIS WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY QUICK. SO SO TYLER'S UPDATE TO 2026 IS A VERY REVOLUTIONARY UPDATE FOR THEM. AND THAT IS, IS THEY ARE GOING TO TURN THEMSELVES INTO A MODERN DAY SOFTWARE PROVIDER. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THERE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE REWRITING CODE AND COMING UP WITH HUGE PATCHES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE. THEY'RE FORCING EVEN ALL OF THE ON PREM PEOPLE ONTO THIS NEW SOFTWARE. SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE SUPPORTING, I BELIEVE, 22 SOFTWARE BASICALLY PACKAGES, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONVERTING EVERYONE TO ONE SOFTWARE PACKAGE SO THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WE ARE BEING INTERRUPTED BY THE 2026 UPDATE.

WE'RE AN EARLY ADOPTER. WE HAVE A FULL TEAM AT TYLER THAT'S WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR TONY, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE TYLER CODE TEAM WORKING ON HOW TO MAKE OUR REGISTRATION WORK WITH THE UPDATE, NOT A PART OF THE UPDATE. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAT TONY IS AWARE OF THE TONY ISN'T AWARE OF, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE ACTUALLY CREATED A PERFECT STORM BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE TO MAKE MAGISTRATE WORK WITH THE 2026 UPDATE, OR THEY CAN'T TAKE THOSE ASSETS OFF OF OUR UPDATE AND MOVE THEM TO THE NEXT COUNTY TO UPDATE THE NEXT COUNTY. SO I'M JUST SAYING, WE, WE, WE HAVE CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A LEVERAGE IS MY ONLY POINT. BUT AND, BUT BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THAT TONY IS EXACTLY ACCURATE. WE CANNOT MAKE MAGISTRATE WORK RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE WHEN WE GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE CUTTING EDGE FOR THE REST OF THE STATE ON THIS PROJECT. AND CAN I GIVE TONY SOME PROPS? HE INVENTED THE PROCESS. YEAH. NO COUNTY HAS A REGISTRATION PROCESS THAT THAT IS ONLINE OR WITH TYLER. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE JUDGE NORTON HE HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY. I MEAN, HALF THE TIME WE WORKED WAS DEVELOPING A PROCESS, MUCH

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THEY JUST OH, OH, WE NEED THIS PAPER, THIS EMPLOYEE HANDLES JUST OPPOSE THIS PERSON HANDLES JUST CONDITIONS OF BOND. YOU KNOW, THEY, I MEAN, THEY'VE THROWN PROBABLY 12 OR 13 EMPLOYEES AT THE PROBLEM. SO YES, THAT IS TRUE. I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT. WHAT I WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN THIS TECHNOLOGY GETS AS GOOD AS IT CAN, HOW MUCH TIME IS IT GOING TO SAVE YOU? AND REMEMBER THAT WE'RE GROWING THE NUMBER OF REGISTRATIONS WE DO AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. I'M HOPING YOU'RE UP TO 20. I'M HOPEFULLY OPTIMISTIC THAT IT'S GOING TO CUT OUR TIME IN HALF THE. BUT LIKE JUDGE RUSSO SAID, THE SERS SYSTEM IS IS IF WE CAN GET THAT INTEGRATED PIECE FIXED WHERE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO INPUT THE DATA.

AND THEN WE'RE WRITING EVERYTHING DOWN ON WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO. AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WRITING DOWN HAS TO BE PUT IN SERS. SO THERE'S DOUBLE ENTRY THAT'S STILL GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME EVEN WHEN WE GO TO THE PAPERLESS REGISTRATION PROCESS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DOUBLE. WE'RE DOUBLE ENTRY INTO SERS UNTIL THAT PIECE IS FIXED, WHERE IT WILL PULL THE DATA AUTOMATICALLY. SO IT'S STILL A TWO PROCESS. WE'RE WE'RE ENTERING IT TWICE REGARDLESS. BUT I DO BELIEVE BY GOING TO A PAPERLESS REGISTRATION SYSTEM WITH OUR SYSTEM, THAT IT'S GOING TO CUT THE TIME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY TALKED ABOUT, YOUR ABILITY TO DISPOSE CASES IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS, I DON'T WANT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE IN MAGISTRATE TO CONTINUALLY TAKE AWAY FROM THAT, ESPECIALLY AS THESE MAGISTRATES INCREASE, AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES, WE'RE GOING TO END UP GOING TO FROM 15 TO 25 AT SOME POINT.

AND STRUCTURALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SOUND, AND THIS IS THE YEAR TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STRUCTURALLY SOUND BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE TAKES OUR LEGS OUT FROM UNDER US. SO IS A JP GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DO? MAGISTRATE I DON'T WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T THINK THAT'S A THING. I DON'T THINK A JP IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE MAGISTRATE LIKE WE'RE DOING THEM NOW, EVEN WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CHANGE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A STRUCTURAL ISSUE THERE, JUST LIKE THERE IS IN YOUR OFFICE RIGHT NOW, NEEDING A CLERK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AT SOME POINT AND ADDRESS. I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MAGISTRATES AT SOME POINT OR SOME OTHER WAY TO DO THIS. WE CAN'T HAVE YOU GUYS DOWN THERE FOR 4 TO 8 HOURS A DAY, IMPEDING THE PROCESS OF THE TOWARDS THE CITIZENS IN YOUR COURTROOMS. IT'S JUST AN ISSUE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING IT THE RIGHT WAY. IN YOUR OPINION, FOR THE FUTURE, BOY, COMMISSIONER GALINA, THANKS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING THIS WHOLE TIME IS I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD HIRE A MAGISTRATE TO TAKE THIS BURDEN OFF THE JP AND RUN THAT. I, AGAIN, DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT ALL WORKS. I'M NOT A LAWYER THAT'S EVER DONE THAT. BUT IF WE'RE WHAT WE'VE GOT IS FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE SPENDING BASICALLY A WHOLE WEEK MAGISTRATES. IF WE GOT SOMEBODY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM THERE, THAT WOULD TAKE FREE UP A LOT OF TIME FOR DOING THE JUDICIAL BUSINESS OF THE COURT. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, TO ADD TO THAT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM, UNLIKE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD YESTERDAY, AGAINST MY BEST WISHES, THEY WE I WANT TO REMIND THE COURT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE BOND OFFICE THAT EXISTS IN THE SAME HALLWAY AS A MAGISTRATE. SO WE WOULD HAVE PLACES TO EXPLAIN, EXPAND, CLERICAL AND MAGISTRATE.

I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT, BUT WE LITERALLY HAVE AN OFFICE RIGHT NEXT TO THE MAGISTRATE WHERE WE COULD LOOK AT DOING THAT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INVENT THE WHEEL AND FIND A PLACE FOR THE EMPLOYEE. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MAGISTRATE COURT. THEN THERE IS AN OFFICE IN THE MAGISTRATE COURT. DISTRICT COURT? YES, IT ALREADY EXISTS. WELL, AND AS WE SETTLED YESTERDAY, COMMISSIONER STACEY, IT'S EASIER TO FIND A SPOT FOR ONE PERSON THAN TWO OR SO FOR ONE PERSON THAN FOUR IS A BEST PRACTICE THAT OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE PROBABLY DEALING WITH THE THE AT SOME NUMBER. CAMI AND I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR NUMBERS HIT A FULL TIME MAGISTRATE BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER, A FULL TIME MAGISTRATE IS THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ROTATING THROUGH. IT'S A IT'S IT'S IT CAN'T JUST BE A PERSON. SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT CUMULATIVE EFFECT, IT'S HARD TO SAY, BUT THERE ARE A TON OF COUNTIES, A TON OF COUNTIES THAT ARE KIND OF OUR SIZE ISH WITH A LITTLE

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THIS ISN'T WHAT I DO, THOUGH, AND I WOULD RELY ON JUDGE NORTON, JUDGE RUSSO, AND THE OTHER ONES TO CHIME IN ON THAT. AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE JAIL. WE WANT TO INTEGRATE THE A JAIL IN THAT. SURE, BUT I'M TO. THE POINT YOU MADE, I THINK IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BOBBY, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE 24 OVER SEVEN COVERAGE THERE NOW. CORRECT? WE DON'T NEED IT ALL THE TIME. BUT IF WE COULD BRING IN AGAIN LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS IS MY BAILIWICK. BUT IF YOU BRING IN ONE PERSON THAT FOCUSES 100% OF THEIR TIME ON THAT, IT CERTAINLY IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION FOR THE EXISTING GPS. AND I CAN SPEAK FROM INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PROCESS DURING THE WEEK IS NOT AS HEAVY AS IT IS ON THE WEEKENDS. SO FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY IS MORE THAN IT IS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. SO BUT I DO KNOW SOME COUNTIES, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT DO THAT. THEY HAVE A MAGISTRATE THAT HANDLES THE JAIL DURING THE WEEK, AND THEN THE OTHER JUDGES ROTATE THE WEEKEND, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE, JUDGE NORTON? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF DATA IN FRONT OF YOU THAT SUPPORTS MY REQUEST, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOUR COMPARATIVE COUNTIES ALL START WITH R. WAS THAT ON PURPOSE? DID YOU JUST COMPARATIVE DID YOU JUST PULL THAT. THAT. NO THAT'S A STATISTICAL REPORT THAT'S PULLED OFF. OKAY. AND IT'S IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. GOT IT. SO. SO THEY'RE NOT COMPARABLES. I JUST ROCKWALL COUNTY WAS IN THERE. AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED YOU TO SEE WAS ROCKWALL COUNTY.

GOT IT. BUT IT PULLS A REPORT AND PUTS IT ALL TOGETHER. SO SO THOSE ARE NOT COMPARABLES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDGE NORRIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR CHRIS LYNCH. COME ON UP. AND WHILE HE'S WALKING UP, I JUST WANT TO LET THE COURT KNOW THAT BOBBY AND I I'M DRAFTING HIM INTO THIS. WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER ON THAT MAGISTRATE'S SOLUTION AND GET THE COURT SOME ACTUAL OPTIONS JUST FOR US TO AT LEAST LOOK AT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A HYPOTHETICAL PIE IN THE SKY. YEP. SO I WANT TO COMMEND ■THIS COURT FOR LOOKING AT THAT. YOU KNOW, I SAY ALL THE TIME, WE WE WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED AND YOU'RE SEATED, YOU JOIN A GAME AND HERE'S THE RULES. AND YOU LOOK UP AND IT'S LIKE, WHY, WHY ARE WE PLAYING BY THESE RULES? WELL, THAT WAS THE RULES WHEN I JOINED THE GAME. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU STEP BACK AND GO, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? IS THIS DO WE WANT TO KEEP PLAYING BY THESE RULES OR DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ORGANIZATION? SO I APPLAUD THE COURT FOR TAKING A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL VIEW TO TO SEE THAT MAYBE WE NEED SOME ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES. ALL RIGHT, MR. LYNCH. HEY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. GOOD MORNING. HEY, I'M ONLY GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE THE FASTEST HEARING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. GIVE ME TWO MINUTES, I PROMISE YOU.

UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THAT WAY, THE. HEY, I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE LINES. 104 AND 106. THAT'S A DECREASE. THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT A DECREASE THIS YEAR OF ABOUT 50 GRAND IN SOME CHANGE. AND THAT'S BASED ON ODD NUMBERED YEARS. WHEN WE DO LESS, YOU KNOW, TWO LESS ELECTIONS THAN WHAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO IN EVEN YEARS. I'M ASKING FOR ABOUT $5,000 MORE IN 106 AND ONE. OH, I'M SORRY, 107108. AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON WORKLOAD.

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IS THAT ALREADY IN YOUR REQUEST? YEAH. SO WE WE RAN SOME NUMBERS AND SARAH HAD A REALLY GOOD FORMULA. AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WERE, HEY, HOW MANY HOURS ON AVERAGE? AND YOU KNOW, THE VARIABLE IN THERE IS THE SAME DISCUSSION WE HAVE EVERY TIME I COME HERE ABOUT, OKAY, HOW MANY EARLY OR EARLY VOTING POLLING LOCATIONS DO YOU WANT TO HAVE? BECAUSE EACH LOCATION REPRESENTS ABOUT 10 TO 15 GRAND. SO THE VARIABLES I FACTORED THIS OR SARAH DID WITH FIVE LOCATIONS FOR EARLY VOTING AND THEN 14 FOR ELECTION DAY. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE LOOK LIKE. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL LOOK LIKE IN NOVEMBER MORE THAN LIKELY, UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT NUMBER IN THIS UPCOMING FY WOULD REPRESENT ABOUT $34,000. SO WHERE I CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, WE SAVED ABOUT 50 GOING INTO THIS FY, IF YOU ELECT TO ADJUST THEIR AVERAGE HOURLY RATE TO 18 AND 20, THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD REPRESENT. AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT 14 AND 16. YES, SIR, IS WHAT YOU SAID. AND YOU WANT TO GO TO 18 AND 20. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LYNCH. CAN YOU EMAIL ME THE BUDGET THINGS THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE. THIS KIND OF. YEAH. IF YOU JUST SEND THAT TO ME AND I'LL SEND IT TO. YOU. WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MACHINES AT ALL? OKAY. SINCE WE'RE HERE, WE CAN SOCIALIZE THIS. AND HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. NEXT YEAR WILL BE TEN YEARS SINCE WE BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY DEPLOY. AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG. I REALLY LIKE OUR EQUIPMENT. IT'S EFFICIENT, IT'S SAFE, BUT OUR VENDOR IS STARTING TO TELL US THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING TO A LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT KIND OF SITUATION WHERE, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO SERVICE THAT MODEL. I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE GOTTEN SOME ESTIMATES BASED ON HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT I THINK WE NEED AND WHAT WE CAN KEEP AND WHAT WE NEED TO REPLACE, AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG NUMBER. AND I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT $1 MILLION. SO I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PICKING UP THE TAB IN THIS FY, BUT I'M JUST AS, AS A HEADS UP, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BILL IS GOING TO BE DUE AT SOME POINT.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN GET AROUND IT. WE WILL USE THE EQUIPMENT FOR AS LONG AS IT'S AS POSSIBLE, WHERE WE CAN STILL RUN SAFE AND SECURE ELECTIONS. BUT I JUST I CAN SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL WITH OUR VENDOR THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEVELOPING NEW SYSTEMS FOR EQUIPMENT. SO ELECTIONS IS, EXCUSE ME, NOT IMMUNE TO THE, TO THE GOVERNMENT SALES PITCH, WHICH IS WE NO LONGER SUPPORT THIS. BUT I MEAN, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED I MEAN, IT TECHNOLOGY, TECHNOLOGY. ARE YOU USING THAT YOU BOUGHT TEN YEARS AGO? WHAT LAPTOP DO YOU STILL HAVE OR PHONE OR COMPUTER? I'M THE WRONG PERSON. I KNOW I YES, I KNOW YOU'RE WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT A FLIP PHONE STILL. ARE THERE ANY I'M GOING TO ASK THIS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER NOW, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PURCHASING THESE VOTING MACHINES, ARE THERE ANY GRANTS OR OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT ANYBODY ELSE MAY BE USING BECAUSE THEY GOT TO HAVE BILLS BIGGER THAN OURS WHEN THEY REPLACE THESE THINGS? LET ME DO SOME. YEAH, LET ME RUN THE TRAPS ON THAT. I HADN'T ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE THE STATE HAS SOME MONEY OUT THERE MAYBE. AND THE STATE HAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE KIND OF SOCIALIZED THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HELP COUNTIES OFFSET THE BURDEN, UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GOT TO BUY NEW STUFF AT SOME POINT, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES.

AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK RIGHT NOW TO PUSH DOWN TO THE STATE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT, BUT IT'S OUT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS.

ROB. YOU YOU SAY THAT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DO IT. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE WILL COME A POINT

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BUT WITH YOUR BLESSING, I WAS GOING TO MARK THAT FROM I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY.

AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO ARCGIS, OUR ESRI SOFTWARE. THIS IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR LAST YEAR FOR OUR ONLINE VIEWER SUBSCRIPTION, THE CREATOR LICENSES, AND THEN THE ONLINE PROFESSIONAL PLUS LICENSE. BUT WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE THE REMOVE THE DATA INTEROPERABILITY ITEM. AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO BLUEBEAM. THE BLUEBEAM SOFTWARE HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT ADDITION TO OUR WORKFLOW THIS YEAR, ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW PLANS ONLINE AND MEASURE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MARK NOTES OR COMMENTS ON PLANS. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATED HAVING THAT SOFTWARE. AND WE'D LIKE TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL LICENSE NOW FOR STEVE TO BE ABLE TO USE BLUEBEAM AS WELL. SO THAT BUMPS THAT UP TO 990. THIS LAST ONE IS, IS A BIG ITEM. AND WE'RE HOPING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR ADDING TYLER SOFTWARE TO OUR DEPARTMENT. I KNOW TYLER SOFTWARE IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED IN SEVERAL OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY. AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO, TO ADD IT TO OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL. DO YOU NEED A BELL TO RING OR WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THE BELL. OKAY, OKAY. NO. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I DISCOVERED EARLY ON THAT YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE WHEN WHENEVER YOU'RE BUYING SOFTWARE AND IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A CHOICE, THEN SOMEHOW THE ENTITIES WILL POSITION THEMSELVES TO REMOVE YOUR CHOICE. SO AT THE VERY LEAST, I WANTED A BELL WE COULD RING WHEN WE BOUGHT SOFTWARE THAT WE WERE FORCED TO BUY. SO OH, NOW I GET IT. YEAH, I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MEANT YOU NEEDED A BELL TO ASK A QUESTION. NO. GOTCHA. SO THIS PARTICULAR SOFTWARE WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE. SORRY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT GENERALLY WHAT IT CAN DO. SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MODULE.

THERE WOULD BE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MODULE AS WELL AS AS A FIRE MANAGEMENT MODULE. SO OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE PLANS IN. WE'D ALSO HAVE HAVE A A WIDGET, I GUESS, THAT WE COULD PUT ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WOULD TAKE IN ANY SORT OF ISSUES THAT THE, THAT THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE IF THERE'S A POTHOLE, IF THERE'S DRAINAGE ISSUES, IF THERE'S A SEPTIC PROBLEM, THEY COULD GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND CLICK THIS BUTTON AND IT WOULD CREATE A NEW

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THEY WOULD RECEIVE A PROJECT NUMBER. THE APPLICATION AND FEES COULD ALL BE TAKEN ONLINE WITH THE SOFTWARE, AND THEN REVIEWS COULD BE ASSIGNED TO VARIOUS STAFF MEMBERS. ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATION GOES BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE SYSTEM. ANY ATTACHMENTS FOR THE PROJECT GO UNDERNEATH THAT PROJECT AND ARE TIME STAMPED WHENEVER THEY ARE SUBMITTED OR WHEN WE SEND BACK COMMENTS. THOSE ARE TIME STAMPED WITH THE DATE AND TIME. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY A GOOD PROJECT MANAGEMENT TOOL ALL TOGETHER FOR, FOR OUR PROJECTS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IT DOESN'T DO? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PROJECT MANAGEMENT WORKFLOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE A BOOKKEEPING. SOUNDS LIKE IT DOES IT ALL. WHAT WHAT DOESN'T IT DO THAT WILL HAVE TO OUTSIDE OF THE SOFTWARE? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME OF THE. WELL, IF WE CONTINUE TO USE UTILIZE THIRD PARTY RESOURCES, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO SEND THEM SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE. I. I'M STILL NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO LIKE HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

THE INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE THIRD PARTY AND US. I THINK SOME OF THAT STILL MAY HAVE TO BE ON OUR STAFF TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE THIRD PARTY BACK AND FORTH, RATHER THAN ALLOWING THE THIRD PARTY TO BE TO HAVE ACCESS INTO OUR SYSTEM. SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ONE ONE ITEM WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. INSPECTIONS IS ANOTHER ITEM. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT HAS AN INTEGRATION WITH TABLETS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, STEVE, THE FIRE MARSHAL CAN BE OUT IN THE OUT IN THE FIELD. HE CAN HAVE HIS CHECKLIST ON HIS TABLET. THAT'S THROUGH THIS TYLER SYSTEM AND BE ABLE TO WRITE ALL HIS NOTES. THERE'S EVEN A TOOL IN THERE THAT HAS ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE THAT HE CAN QUICKLY JUST CLICK ON, YOU KNOW, CODE 2.5 AND IT'LL, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT IN AS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THIS IS BEING VIOLATED AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE A TIME SAVER AND ALSO BE MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY, USER FRIENDLY, AND HOPEFULLY HELP US SPEED UP OUR WORKFLOW A LITTLE BIT. WONDERFUL QUESTIONS. YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING OR IS THIS A COMPLETELY NEW PRODUCT? THIS IS COMPLETELY NEW. YEAH. LIKE I MENTIONED, OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY UTILIZE DIFFERENT PARTS OF TYLER, WHICH IS HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET A PRETTY GOOD DISCOUNT ON ADDING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE FIRST TYLER PRODUCT IN THE COUNTY. SO THEY ARE GIVING US SOME SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNTS. IS IT THE BEST PRODUCT OUT THERE? WE HAVE DONE? WE HAVE TAKEN DEMOS WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES. I WILL SAY I'M USED TO THIS. I USE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MODULE FROM TYLER AT MY PREVIOUS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. AND IT WAS IT WAS REALLY I MEAN, LIKE ANY SOFTWARE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ISSUES HERE AND THERE, BUT IT WAS REALLY CUSTOMER FRIENDLY AND EASY TO USE. AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT ARE ON THE MARKET FOR WHAT YOU GET, THIS WAS THE BEST VALUE. ONE OF THEM, ONE OF THE ONES WE LOOKED AT WAS GREAT, BUT IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE. AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE QUOTES WITH YOU FOR OTHER FOLKS TOO. AND WE IT'S GOT A PRICE OF $47,097. IS THAT GOING TO BE AN ANNUAL CHARGE THAT IS ANNUAL. AND, AND I DO HAVE AN UPDATE TO THAT ONE, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE. I GOT DIFFERENT QUOTES. ONE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL WITH WITH THE FIRE MODULE IN IT. BUT THE INITIAL QUOTE THAT I HAD GOTTEN WAS JUST ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND

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BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THEM. YESTERDAY. WHERE DID THEY GET. I PUT THEM ON YOUR DESK THIS MORNING. OH, ON YOUR CHAIR? YEAH. ARE YOU SERIOUS? OH MY GOODNESS, I'M NOT. I'M SERIOUS. WE'RE NOT HERE THIS MORNING. WHO ELSE NEEDS ONE? I GOT ONE, I PROMISE.

I WAS A COMPLETE JOKE. I DID NOT TAKE THEM OR DO ANYTHING. NO, MEREDITH. JUST LOOKING IN DISBELIEF AND I SAID, NO, I'M GOING TO GO CHECK RIGHT NOW. ARE THESE THE NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES. YEAH. OKAY. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T GET THOSE. NO. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. SO WE'RE GETTING THAT. BUT WHERE WERE YOU HEADED? OKAY. SO THE THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE ANNUAL FEE. THERE WAS A JUST A TYPO. I WASN'T SURE WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS DOING THE MATH AND IT WAS ADDING UP TO THE 47,000. SO I CHECKED WITH TYLER AND APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR LINE ITEMS DIDN'T PRINT ON HERE, BUT THE 51,050 1878 IS THE FEE. THAT WOULD BE THE ANNUAL RECURRING. THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 980 IF WE ADDED THIS. THAT WAS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. AND YOU'VE USED THAT TYLER PRODUCT WHEN YOU WERE AT YOUR PRIOR JOB, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. I, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT IT PROVIDES. AND THIS IS NOT A NEW COMPANY. IT'S NOT A NEW TOOL. RIGHT? YEAH. AND IT'S BEING UTILIZED BY MANY CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IS THERE A SETUP FEE? THERE IS. SO I INCLUDED THAT IN THE LINE ITEM FOR THE SOFTWARE LINE ITEM. AND THAT THAT TOTAL IS $112,225 ON TOP OF THE 51,000, THE, THE 112,000 WOULD BE THE SETUP FOR THE THE PRODUCT. THAT WOULD BE ALL THERE IN. THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. THE LAST ITEM IS TYLER FOR THE ONLINE PERMITTING CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. THAT'S THE. 47097 NOW YOU'RE SAYING TO ADD ANOTHER. HOW MUCH ON TOP OF THAT? WELL, OR IS IT. I'M JUST ON, I THINK THE HER COVER PAGE LINE ITEM FOR 65, I THINK. OH, OKAY. IS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. I APOLOGIZE ON THE ON THE MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION AND OTHER SUBSCRIPTION. LITTLE SHEET.

THIS ONE DIDN'T THAT ONE DIDN'T HAVE A SPOT FOR LIKE RECURRING SUBSCRIPTIONS. SO THAT'S WHY I JUST PUT THE SETUP FEE UNDER SOFTWARE. SO ON THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 112 000 TO SET IT UP AND 51,000 A YEAR IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY ORGANIZE OUR INFORMATION BETTER, BUT AS A DAILY TOOL, HOW DOES THIS IMPROVE YOUR DEPARTMENT? BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT IT IS IT IS THE CAPITAL COST.

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MAYBE SOME OF THE ACCOUNTING WASN'T UP TO SNUFF THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AND IT'S BEEN.

EVERYTHING'S BEEN FILED IN A PAPER FILE. AND SO WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO ARCHIVE THE OLD PROJECTS IN THIS SOFTWARE AS WELL AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, QUERY A PARTICULAR PARCEL. OH, THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM I FORGOT TO MENTION. THERE'S A GIS COMPONENT TO, TO, TO THIS SOFTWARE. SO WE CAN LOOK AT GIS WITHIN THE TYLER SYSTEM AND CLICK ON A PARCEL, AND IT'LL PULL UP DATA FOR INSPECTIONS, ANY SORT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS, PLANNING ON THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. SO, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAVING TO GO TO DIFFERENT SOURCES AND LOOK FOR THAT INFORMATION AND DO THAT RESEARCH. BUT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TOOL AT OUR FINGERTIPS TO BE ABLE TO GET INFORMATION QUICKLY ON A PARCEL. TELL ME WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE SETUP. THE 115 ISH DOLLARS. AND I MEAN, ARE WE BUYING ANY KIND OF HARDWARE OR IS THAT JUST TYLER BACK OF HOUSE? A LOT OF IT IS TYLER BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE FOR THE SETUP AND THE WAY THEY THE WAY THEY BROKE IT OUT FOR US. THEY WERE DOING AN ESTIMATE. OH, HERE WE GO. THIS WILL BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, LOOK AT PAGE TWO. THANK YOU. MEREDITH. OKAY, SO THE ON PAGE TWO, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THIS IS THIS IS ALL OF YOUR SETUP FEES AND THE WAY THEY HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN, THEY HAVE ESTIMATED THE NUMBER OF HOURS THEY BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO TAKE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH DATA CONVERSION TRAINING, IMPLEMENTATION, JUST CREATING THAT BACK END OF THE PRODUCT.

SO THEY WERE THE WAY THEY WERE DESCRIBING IT TO ME IS THE 104,000 PLUS THE 8000 AND TRAVEL FEES THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHOWN ON PAGE THREE, THE 8000 TRAVEL FEES ON PAGE THREE IS FOR. THEY WERE ESTIMATING FOR TRIPS TO COME TO ROCKWALL AND AND WORK WITH US AND. I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY. THEY. THEY SAID THAT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR. YEAH. SO $2,000 A TRIP.

THAT'S OKAY. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THEY CHARGE. I KNOW I'M NOT TRYING. I THIS IS JUST A LOT OF MONEY. AND LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW TYLER SOFTWARE. I'M VERY TAKE GREAT COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE I RESPECT YOU GREATLY. BUT THANK YOU. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COURT, I'VE HEARD ABOUT

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WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON CLEANING THAT UP. WHAT WE FOUND FIND IS OTHER THAN US INVENTING SOMETHING LIKE MAGISTRATE, MOST OF THE TIME THE PROBLEMS ARE SELF-INDUCED, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CLEAN UP PROCESSES TO MAKE THEM WORK BETTER AND CLEANER. SO I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE WITH TYLER IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION, THAT THEY'RE BIG. BUT I MEAN, TAKE TAKE A SIMPLE EXAMPLE LIKE CLOUD GAVEL. CLOUD GAVEL IS A GREAT PRODUCT. WE TRY TO GET IT IN THE BUDGET. LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T GET IT IN THE BUDGET.

WELL, SINCE THEN TYLER BOUGHT IT. SO CLOUD GAVEL IS NOW TYLER PRODUCT. SO SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY CLOUD GAVEL, YOU'RE GOING TO BUY TYLER. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR FRUSTRATIONS WITH CASE MANAGEMENT OR JAIL MANAGEMENT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THEY ARE ALL COMPLETE STANDALONE PROJECTS. TYLER DOESN'T HAVE JUST IT'S NOT LIKE MICROSOFT. IT WOULD BE LIKE LOOKING AT EXCEL VERSUS WORD VERSUS POWERPOINT. THEY'RE JUST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOFTWARE. SO THEY LIKE BUY UP COMPANIES AND THEN THEY TRY TO INTEGRATE THEM. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO FORM OR FASHION. AND THAT IS MY FRUSTRATION COMING FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND I COMPLAIN A LOT AND WILL CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN A LOT. IT'S A QUASI MONOPOLY. AND IF WE EVER THINK IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY AND WE FIND A SOURCE THAT FITS OUR NEEDS AND WE SAY, YAY, LET'S GO! TYLER BUYS THEM AND ABSORBS THEM, AND WE'RE BACK TO THE REALLY QUESTION IS, DO YOU DO YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH TYLER OR DO IT ON YOUR OWN? YEAH. WELL, FAIR, I APPRECIATE THE APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. BUT TO THAT COMMENT, JUDGE. WE'RE SPENDING $51,000 A YEAR FOR WORKS FOR SOFTWARE TO ORGANIZE US. I'M GOING TO SOUND REALLY LIKE THE OLD MAN IN THE ROOM, BUT YOU COULD HIRE A REALLY GOOD CLERK FOR LESS THAN THAT. AND COULD THAT PERSON TAKE CARE OF IT, PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO HELP ORGANIZE? I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE $51,000 A YEAR NEXT YEAR WILL BE $55,000. IN THE YEAR AFTER IT'LL BE 60, AND THEN WE'LL GET WEDDED TO IT.

AND WE'LL NEVER, ONCE WE BUY IT, WE WILL NEVER SHAKE IT OFF OUR FOOT. OFF OUR FOOT. IT'LL BE GUM AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR SHOE FOREVER. AND MAYBE THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE ABOUT READY TO TALK ABOUT SPENDING. AND IS IT GOING TO GIVE US THAT MUCH OF A BENEFIT TO TO I MEAN, THAT THAT IS THE QUESTION. THAT IS THE QUESTION WE JUST SPENT TIME TALKING ABOUT THE J, P S AND STANDING BACK FAR ENOUGH. AND, YOU KNOW, JUDGE NORTON HAD EVEN TALKED ABOUT COLLIN COUNTY SOLVES THEIR PROBLEM WITH JUST ANOTHER PERSON, ANOTHER PERSON, ANOTHER PERSON. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I MEAN, IT IS A REAL MATH QUESTION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE DO WE DO WE WANT A PERSON OR DO WE WANT SOFTWARE TO, TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS? AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RECURRING PRICE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SETUP PRICE. THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF STICKING IN MY IN MY ME TO MY THROAT. IT'S JUST THE ONE TIME FEE. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE SOFTWARE AND I DON'T WANT TO ADD PEOPLE. I WANT TO ADD, I WANT TO ADD SOFTWARE. REALLY, IT'S THE IT'S IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE GET MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR AND BENEFITS GET MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR. AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT THE SOFTWARE DOES A LOT MORE THAN A PERSON WOULD DO. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS PERSON ESSENTIALLY ORGANIZING THE BACK END. AND YET FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT, WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE FRONT END BENEFITS WITH THAT PERSON THAT THE SOFTWARE WOULD HAVE WHERE THEY CAN DO SOME OF THE PERMITTING ONLINE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. HAS COMMISSIONER STACEY MADE A RUN AT TYLER WITH THIS PARTICULAR FRONT END COST? NO, NO, HE HASN'T HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MODULES WITH I MEAN, SORRY, THE DEMOS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. SORRY. THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. YEAH. TRYING TO THINK OF ORGANIZE THOSE IN A FLOW CHART. HOW CAN WE WE DON'T HAVE OUR SOFTWARE. GET A CLERK. WELL, I

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AND I THINK NO MATTER WHAT COMPANY, I'VE WORKED WITH LOTS OF SOFTWARE COMPANIES ON DIFFERENT PRODUCTS OVER THE YEARS, AND NO MATTER WHAT COMPANY IT IS, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE BUGS. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ISSUES WITH BEING ABLE TO GET CERTAIN ITEMS ADDRESSED. I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 90% OF OUR ISSUES WE HAD WITH THE CD SOFTWARE, WE HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT OURSELVES AND, AND TRY TO TRY TO MOVE ALONG. YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T JUST BE CRIPPLED IF, IF THERE WAS A BUG IN THE SOFTWARE. SO, BUT BY AND LARGE, IT WAS A GOOD SOFTWARE TO USE. AND IT WAS, IT WAS FANTASTIC TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PERMITS IN PERMITS AND PROJECT APPLICATIONS IN. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A BENEFIT. SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO DRIVE FROM FORT WORTH OVER HERE TO DROP OFF A SET OF PLANS OR A THUMB DRIVE, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO RISK TAKING IN, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS VIA EMAIL WHEN THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A, A VIRUS OR SOMETHING IN AN ATTACHMENT OF AN EMAIL. THAT'S IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S CYBERSECURITY RISKS WITH THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. SO WHICH I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE SAYING, BUT. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE INHERENT BENEFITS TO, TO GETTING WITH THE TIMES. I THINK MOST OF THE. WELL, I'M JUST YEAH. SO, SO, SO I HEARD THIS STORY ONE TIME I WAS GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, BUT COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I HEARD THIS STORY ONE TIME. THAT DIDN'T MEAN ANY A, A CORPORATION HIRED, YOU KNOW, A, A YOUNG LAWYER INTO A CORPORATION. AND THEN THEY HAD TO GET EVERYTHING UP TO A STANDARD AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT WASN'T DONE BEFORE. AND THAT IT'S A REALLY HARD LEAP. AND SOMETIMES IT'S A REALLY HARD STEP. AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT THE CORPORATION DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO TAKE SOME SORT OF OFFICE AND TURN IT INTO WHAT IT IS. THAT'S NOT FAIR. THAT IS NOT FAIR. I WILL SAY I AM A I'M A PAPER PENCIL PERSON. I USED TO HAVE MY ENGINEERS ARE. MY OFFICE WAS COVERED IN PLANS AND I LOVED GETTING MY SCALE OUT AND, AND REVIEWING EVERYTHING BY HAND.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONCE I STARTED, I WAS BROUGHT KICKING AND SCREAMING INTO ACCEPTING STUFF ONLINE FOR REVIEW AND UTILIZING BLUEBEAM. BUT ONCE WE STARTED USING IT AND WE WERE BECOMING MORE PAPERLESS, I MEAN, THE BENEFITS OF IT WERE FAR OUTWEIGHED EVERYTHING. SO I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER STACY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VISIT WITH TYLER? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU IS YOU'VE HAD SUCCESS. YEAH. PREVIOUSLY. WHO ARE YOU WORKING WITH AT TYLER? SO RIGHT NOW, A GENTLEMAN NAMED I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BUTCHER HIS NAME, ZACK ZIPPY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HIM, BUT OKAY, HE'S HE'S ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MODULE SIDE SPECIFICALLY, BUT BUT HE'S BEEN HELPFUL IN GETTING US DEMOS WITH ALL OF ALL OF THEIR PRODUCTS, THEIR DIFFERENT MODULES AND, AND GETTING US THIS QUOTE. AND I WILL SAY FOR THE SETUP, THE 104 100 AND WELL, SORRY, THE 112,000. IT'S IT SEEMS IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A NOT TO EXCEED. THEY TRIED TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY HOURS BASED ON SETTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP FOR OTHER ENTITIES OUR SIZE. THEY TRY TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY HOURS IT WOULD TAKE FOR DATA CONVERSION, FOR TRAINING. AND THIS WAS THIS IS AN ESTIMATE, THIS PART OF IT. SO IT COULD BE LESS OR MORE. WELL, I MEAN, IT COULD, BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY I THINK I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A NOT TO EXCEED THAT. THEY'RE NOT THEY WON'T. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, TO DIAL IN WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO AND WHAT THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO, AND WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY TO YOUR POINT, WE NEED FOUR TRIPS. WELL, IF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS WORKED ON THE SOFTWARE FOR TEN YEARS, MAYBE WE ONLY

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THAT IS CORRECT. 55,000. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THEY GOT US TO. SO WE'RE NOT SITTING AT ANY TABLES. LISA. SO ERICA, I HAVE A QUESTION. WE HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER. YEAH, BECAUSE I DID SEE THE SUBSCRIPTION FEES. THEY JUST, THEY JUST HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED, BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. EXPLAIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED IN THERE. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE HAD YESTERDAY AND TODAY. THIS MORNING THEY GAVE US SOME STATISTICS. NOW, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE POSITION, BUT JUST A YEAR, BUT THE DATA IS STILL PROBABLY IN THAT DEPARTMENT. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT YOU WERE, YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AND YOU'VE DONE THEM MORE MANUALLY VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING AND WHAT THOSE PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE IN REGARDS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF IT, JUST THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. IT COULD BE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, IT COULD BE ROADS, BRIDGES. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS A PROJECT MANAGEMENT TYPE OF TOOL. I'M JUST ASSUMING. BUT THAT MAY NOT BE I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING WHAT ALL ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING IT FOR TO THEN FOR THIS PRICE? RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, SO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS USUALLY IS FOR INTAKING YOUR PLATS. SO PRELIMINARY PLATS, FINAL PLATS CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS. WE ALSO USED TO USE IT FOR INTAKING BUILDING PERMITS. SO SO ALL THOSE ITEMS WOULD WOULD COME IN ALL, ALL THOSE ITEMS COULD BE SUBMITTED AS WELL AS TRYING TO THINK WE CAN USE IT FOR THE CULVERT PERMITS AS WELL. DO THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I MEAN, REALLY, I'M TRYING TO GET TO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS HERE. YEAH. NO. AND AND HONESTLY, LET ME LET ME DO A LITTLE MORE DIGGING FOR YOU ON, ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT FACETS OF IT AND, AND GET YOU SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I, I KNOW WHAT THEY'VE, I KNOW HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN THIS LAST YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LIKE PROJECTIONS AND STUFF, I'M NOT, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR YOU. SO LET ME, LET ME WORK ON THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE LIKE REPORTING, LIKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WHERE THE COMMUNITY COULD SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS ISSUE. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU COULD MAKE A NOTE. THE CITY OF FATE HAS AN APP WHERE YOU CAN LITERALLY TAKE A PICTURE ON YOUR PHONE AND IT GOES TO THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND IT AND IT LIKE GEOTAGS IT. SO YOU CAN BE LIKE SITTING AT A STOP SIGN AND IT CAN BE DISENGAGED. YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE, YOU TEXT IT IN, AND THEN THE CITY WOULD KNOW, COME OUT AND FIX THAT STOP SIGN. CAN YOU LOOK AND SEE IF ANY OF THAT FUNCTIONALITY OR WHAT THEY'RE USING? SURE. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WITH THEM ON THAT. BUT WHEN WE DID THE IN-PERSON DEMO WITH THEM, THEY DID HAVE. AS, AS PART OF THE INTEGRATION WITH GIS, THEY DID HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S TIED TO THAT PUBLIC REPORTING PIECE OF IT. I JUST KNOW ON OUR ON THE STAFF SIDE, THEY WERE SHOWING HOW WE CAN CREATE PROJECT CASE FILES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ILLEGAL DUMPING AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. SO WE CAN GEOCODE WHERE, WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING. BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY ISSUES A COMPLAINT, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY COOL TOOL. YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE NEAT. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ASK, SINCE STEVE IS HERE, HAVE YOU USED TYLER, THIS TYLER SYSTEM IN THE PAST FOR YOUR OTHER EMPLOYERS? I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT IS BECAUSE OF COST. WE'VE DONE, AMONG OTHERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE MODULES THAT HERE IS REFERRING TO. THAT'S JUST ONE PART OF IT. AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE BEST MODULE FOR FIRE, OUR INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S STILL IT'S STILL PROVIDES THE SERVICE THAT I NEED THAT WE GET FROM HAVING NOTHING TO CREATE SOMETHING. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING ON PAPER, SO WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. AND THIS, I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE GOING TO TYLER. AND I WOULD SAY, HAD I BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRIOR AND PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE MODULES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN

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WE ARE PREPARED ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE ASKING FOR ACTUALLY TWO VEHICLES HERE RIGHT THERE? YES. THE SECOND ONE IS A REQUEST FOR A VEHICLE FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL. AND ON MY LISTING. SO THE 33. OH NO, THE 33 IS NOT FOR THE NO, NO, THE THIRD. THE THIRD. YEAH. THE 33, 988 IS FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE TRUCK THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THAT'S HIGH MILEAGE AND OLDER AND NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. SO WE WERE WANTING TO REPLACE THAT WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE RELIABLE. AND THEN THE SECOND VEHICLE WE WERE REQUESTING WAS FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL. AND HE CAN SPEAK, SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT WE GOT A SMALL SUV FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND THAT SMALL SUV IS ONCE HE GETS INTO DOING INVESTIGATIONS, THAT SMALL SUV ISN'T GOING TO WORK. SO I WILL LET YOU TALK TO THAT. OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS. SO THE REASON THAT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS AS AS ERICA MENTIONED, WE I AM CURRENTLY IN A IN A FORD EXPLORER 2019, WHICH IS IN GREAT SHAPE. THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THE FACT THAT ONCE YOU PUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR MY POSITION, ONE OF WHICH IS, IS THE NFA COMPLIANT NFPA COMPLIANCE OF NOT HAVING EQUIPMENT IN THE CAB. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A PICKUP TRUCK THAT CAN BE SECURED, HAVE SOME SORT OF A TONNEAU COVER OR SOME SORT OF BED COVER THAT THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE SECURED

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SO PART OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE REQUESTED IS GOING TO BE EQUIPMENT THAT'S USED DURING INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO CARCINOGENS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO CAUSE CANCER. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE IS A WAY THAT ALL THIS EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE STORED, SOME OF WHICH IT OFF GASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE. AND YOU'RE NOTICING A LOT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. WE WENT AWAY FROM THE OLD, THE OLD CABS TO THE NEW CABS. AND NOW SOME OF THE FIRE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY CREATING. THEY'RE TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE STORAGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO NOW FIND A PLACE TO PUT ALL THE. IN THE PAST, WE HAD ALL OF OUR GEAR IN THE CAB SITTING RIGHT THERE. AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THE CANCER HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY AMONGST FIREFIGHTERS. SO THAT BEING SAID, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION FOR THE NFPA COMPLIANCE AND THEN ALSO TO THE HEALTH CONCERNS. SO THE 2019 IS IN GOOD SHAPE AND I AGREE. IT'S GREAT. IT'S GREAT. SO COULD WE CYCLE THAT OVER TO REPLACE THE 2011. WOULD THAT BE. THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS AT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. GOT IT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO MAYBE IT GOES BACK TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. YEAH THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T.

SORRY. ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY THOUGH IS I WOULD WANT US TO HAVE A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE IF POSSIBLE. BECAUSE I MEAN BEING, BEING OFF ROAD SOME, SOME OF SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK DRIVING A TWO WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE. SOME SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY BEING ON ROAD NEEDS A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT. YEAH. I'VE, I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING IT, BUT OUR ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES WHO ARE REQUIRED TO WORK WHEN, WHEN THE COUNTY IS SHUT DOWN, IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE STANDARD WOULD BE A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE FOR THEM. ALL RIGHT. ARE Y'ALL DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MY BUDGET BEFORE WE HOP OVER TO THE FIRE MARSHAL PART OF THE BUDGET? DO WE? YEAH, I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE FIRE MARSHAL VEHICLE. YOU WANT TO COVER THAT DURING THIS PORTION? YEAH. OKAY.

WE DON'T WE DON'T. WE CAN GO IN WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT TO GO IN. I JUST WANT TO GET THERE AT SOME POINT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE. I GUESS THE BIGGEST CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL THAT WE WERE REQUESTING IS THE 85000 FOR A TRUCK. BUT THERE THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT THAT WE'VE REQUESTED, INCLUDING WEAPONS AND, AND DIFFERENT GEAR TO BE ABLE TO AND TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS POSITION. THANK YOU. AWESOME. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO. DO YOU WANT RAPID FIRE QUESTIONS? SORRY. YES. GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THE TOTAL THAT YOU HAVE OF EVERYTHING DOWN THERE? I MEAN, I CAN ADD IT UP MYSELF. I DO ALREADY HAVE ALL THOSE ITEMS ADDED UP. I, I WOULD WANT TO SEPARATE TRAINING FROM THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.

YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING ALL, ALL OF THAT DOWN THERE IS ALL JUST. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW THINGS DUTY, WEAPON, BODY ARMOR. SO SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR. SINCE YOU'RE SITTING THERE, CAN YOU CAN YOU TURN THE MIC ON? YES. OKAY. SO WE, WE SPEND $916 LEASING LASERS, LEASING TASERS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU PUT 2000 IN THIS REQUEST? SO I WILL I'LL BE BRUTALLY HONEST WITH YOU. THE REASON THESE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE IS BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I BROUGHT OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS BUDGET OF ME STANDING UP A MUNICIPAL FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. SO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE OFF. AND I THINK SOME OF THEM, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ERICA HAD WERE LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE BODY ARMOR, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK WHEN WE WERE A MUCH SMALLER DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK WITH VOLUME, YOU GET SOMEWHAT OF A DISCOUNT. SO THAT'S GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THOSE, THE ADJUSTMENTS. SO THE NUMBERS WERE SOMEWHAT LIBERAL, NOT

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BUT IF THAT'S THE IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, THEN I WOULD OBVIOUSLY A PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. WE GO WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED, RIGHT? SO SO HAVE WE GOTTEN TO ANY SORT OF DECISION OR DISCUSSION ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE T COLE CERTIFICATIONS, WORKING ON IT. TBD BEFORE YOU GET OFF TASERS, SHERIFF GARRETT SAID THAT IT'S CHEAPER TO LEASE THEM IN THE LONG RUN. HE'S CHECKING ON NUMBERS TO BUY THEM, BUT HE SAID THE REASON THEY LEASE THEM IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF WARRANTY AND SERVICE, OF ALL THINGS, HE SAYS. IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S CHEAPER, BUT HE'S GETTING ME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. FROM OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH THE CONSTABLE'S. YEAH, WE WE THAT'S CORRECT. WE LEASE ALL THE TASERS FOR THE COUNTY CONSTABLE'S AND THE SHERIFF'S MEN AND STUFF. SO WE CAN WE CAN JUST ADD HIM ON TO IF THAT'S THE OPTION. HE SAID HE COULD CARRY PEPPER SPRAY. SO THAT SAVES $916 AS WELL. SO. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO GET IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT ON THE CAPITAL AT THE BOTTOM HERE.

YEAH. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE DUTY WEAPON DUTY, BELT, HOLSTER AND GEAR WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE DEPUTIES. I'M NOT 100% SURE WE BUY THE DEPUTIES WEAPONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S CONSISTENT. I'M JUST JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DO FOR A NEW DEPUTY, I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT THE COURT NEEDS TO DO FOR YOU. BODY ARMOR.

OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE T COLE, YOU NEED BODY ARMOR. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THE TASER, WE C&N WORK ON THAT DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I GUESS THE BODY WORN CAMERA WOULD ALSO BE CONTINGENT UPON WHATEVER YOU WORK OUT ON THE T COLE CERTIFICATION AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WOULD WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ONE CONTRACT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT WOULD HAVE A FEE THAT WE WOULD CARRY. OR DO WE NEED TO GO TO MOTOROLA AND GET YOU YOUR OWN CONTRACT? WE HAVE TWO MOTOROLA CONTRACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO ANYWAY. SORRY. WELL, AND AND I WILL SAY WE WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS TOO.

I DID SEND THEM THE I MEAN, I, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED VERY LONG IN THE DISCUSSION AT ALL, BUT I HAVE SENT THEM THE BUDGET REQUEST AND I'M TRYING TO GET SOME OF THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL. AND THEN IF WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE SHARING RESOURCES ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. IF IF, YOU KNOW, HE COULD, HE COULD BE ABLE TO LEASE SOME OF THESE ITEMS. YEAH, THAT THAT HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME. THAT MAY BE A I MEAN, IT'S JUST A BOOKKEEPING IS WHAT IT IS. SHERIFF LEASES IT. YOUR DEPARTMENT LEASES IT FROM THE SHERIFF. THAT HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT ALL THOSE ITEMS AT THE BOTTOM. THOSE TOTAL UP TO 2100 $0 AND 10,500 OF IT IS TRAVEL AND TRAINING. I'M JUST GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION. WE DON'T GIVE $10,500 TO A LOT OF

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SO OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE NFPA, THE ICC CODE TRAINING, WHICH IS PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. THE ICC FALLS OR IFC FALLS UNDER THE ICC, WHICH I HAVE TO MAINTAIN CERTAIN THINGS THERE. BUT AGAIN, ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE ARE ON THE HIGHER LEVEL AND WE CAN REDUCE THOSE SIGNIFICANTLY. ONCE YOU TELL ME WHAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO, I CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN TO STAY WITHIN THAT AMOUNT AND STILL STAY COMPLIANT. NOT TO BE TOO NITPICKY EITHER FOR ME, BUT UNDER YOUR AMMUNITION AND QUALIFICATIONS YESTERDAY WITH OUR OUR CONSTABLES, THEIR ALL OF THEIR DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THEIR BUDGETS WAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 250 AND 500 A YEAR. OKAY. I'M JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON SOME OTHER THINGS, AND I AGREE AND I THINK AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ERIC HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO GET HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SO THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE MORE REALISTIC. AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST BY DOING RESEARCH, JUST WHERE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM. AND I AM MEANING TO BE NITPICKY. FINDING THAT, NO, NO, NO, NO, I WAS KIDDING BECAUSE YOU SAID I'M NOT. AND I SAID, NO, I AM. WHY DO YOU HAVE $200 OF COPIER EXPENSES IN YOUR BUDGET? I GO AHEAD, SORRY. I WAS GOING TO SAY I JUST WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF IT IN. SO THAT'S STILL THE SAME MACHINE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO SPREAD IT. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HIS FUNDING COMES OUT OF DIFFERENT POTS. SO I WAS TRYING TO SHARE THAT A LITTLE BIT. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BUYING ANOTHER MACHINE. OH NO NO NO NO NO. OUR OUR COPIER IS GREAT. AND THEN THE GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER GALLON IS PLANNING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT I, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR FOR THIS YEAR. AND OF COURSE, WE SEE THE YEAR TO DATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION JUST CAME ABOUT, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE SEEM LIKE THAT IT'S DOUBLE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR. CAN YOU SPEAK TO. I DON'T I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW SOME OF THAT. SO THE PREVIOUS BUDGET I WASN'T AWARE OF HOW THOSE NUMBERS. AND SO OKAY, I THINK I JUST WENT BASED ON MILEAGE AND THEN I, I, I ACTUALLY RAN THAT THROUGH LIKE KELLEY BLUE BOOK OR SOMETHING AS FAR AS WHAT THEY SUSPECTED WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE THAT I WILL TELL YOU PROBABLY NOT, NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE IT PROBABLY WOULD. I THINK IT'S A 2019 WITH 44, 44,000 MILES ON IT. I MEAN THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT HISTORY I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT TO YOU.

IT WON'T BE THAT VEHICLE NEXT NEXT YEAR. WE'VE GOT TO GET YOU THE RIGHT KIND. SO IT'LL BE AND WE CAN THAT NUMBER WE CAN CUT MORE THAN IN HALF. SO MAINTENANCE WILL BE SUPER LOW ON SOMETHING NEW. AND THE FUEL EXPENSE IS WHAT IT IS. BUT WE CAN CUT IT IN HALF AT LEAST.

WE'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT THE TRUCK. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRUCK. YEAH. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRUCK. COMMISSIONER GALLON HAS BEEN VERY PATIENT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRUCK. TALK ABOUT THE TRUCK. WELL, BECAUSE I. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? WHAT DO YOU I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LOCKING BED COVER. SO THE GEAR BACK

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BEFORE WE START PUTTING EMERGENCY RESPONSE STUFF ON IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IS THAT CAPTAIN BROWN UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU NEED TO OUTFIT IT WITH. I MEAN, I KNOW WE NEED TO PUT FIRE MARSHAL ON IT. WHAT OTHER KIND OF EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO GO ON IT? AND THAT'S STILL THAT'S ONE OF THE I THINK WAS THE RADIO LEFT IN THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DISCUSS. THE OTHER DAY WE HAD A FIRE OUT IN FAITH THAT WAS IN OUR IN THE COUNTY, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF ME. AND WE HAVE NO POLICY ESTABLISHED ON HOW TO CONTACT ME. YOU NEED A RADIO. WELL, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. SO THIS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT VEHICLE HAS A RADIO IN IT, BUT IT. THE RADIO THAT'S IN THERE HAS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF. YEAH. SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF TO LEAVE THAT IN THERE OR I, I CARRY TWO CELL PHONES FOR A REASON. I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP HAVING THE CHIEF TAYLOR AND DISPATCH CONTACT ME DIRECTLY ON THE CELL PHONE. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A WORKAROUND TO THAT. UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT WE CAN GIVE TO ALL THE CITIES.

YEAH. WELL, I'LL WORK WITH CAPTAIN BROWN ON SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER OUTFITTING THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A FAIR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS SAY THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN WITH CAPTAIN BROWN TO COME UP WITH PRICE, OR SOME OF THEM GET WITH BERRY AND GET WITH SAM. PAC FIVE STAR FORD. I DON'T LIKE IT. SHOULD WE HAVE THEM COMING TO THE HEAD OF OUR FLEET COMMITTEE AND, AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION LIKE WE JUST HAD? WHAT DO YOU NEED? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE IT FOR? WHAT? I WOULD PREFER TO BE THE FIRST STOP ON ANY FLEET NEEDS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE ONCE WE DECIDE WHAT BUDGET WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN DOLLARS, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE. CAPTAIN. CAPTAIN BROWN IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT KEEPING COSTS UNDER CONTROL. AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM THE PARAMETERS OF, HEY, WE'RE NOT BUYING TAHOES, WE'RE GOING TO BUY DURANGOS THIS YEAR, OR WE'RE GOING TO BUY DODGE, RAM, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE TRUCKS BECAUSE THEY'RE $10,000 LESS THAN CHEVY'S THIS YEAR. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I WILL HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF. AND I WANT TO I WANT TO KIND OF DICTATE A LITTLE BIT OF IT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE NEXT STEP. GOT IT. DO YOU NEED A PURSUIT VEHICLE? UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE WE START GETTING INTO THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES, IT'S EITHER PURSUIT OR CIVILIAN. YEAH, MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE PURSUIT. THAT IS GOING TO HAVE THE STUFF ON IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED.

YEAH, AND I WILL TELL YOU. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. WE TRIED DOING THAT IN MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT. AND IT CREATES MORE HEADACHES BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS GEARED FOR THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES ARE NOT GEARED FOR THEY MAY LOOK LIKE THE SAME THING ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT ONCE YOU GET TO THE INSIDE, THEY'RE NOT SET UP. FOR INSTANCE, THE CHEVROLET IS A VERY SPECIFIC. THE TRUCK'S VERY SPECIFIC. THEY DON'T COME WITH THE CENTER CONSOLES. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN MODIFY IT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S WORTH DOING THAT. AND IS IT GOING TO BE LIGHTS? WELL, THIS ONE CURRENTLY HAS LIGHTS AND SIREN ON IT. YES SIR. SO I GUESS WE WOULD NEED TO GO TO PURSUIT AND TRY TO YEAH. FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW WHAT THEY'RE OUTFITTING COST WOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE 285 THAT WE DO FOR A DEPUTY CAR. IT WON'T BE THAT EXPENSIVE. NO, BUT WE DO NEED TO FIND OUT FROM PURSUIT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE TO OUTFIT. CAPTAIN BROWN'S ALREADY WORKING ON THE DURANGO'S TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTFITTING COST VERSUS THE TAHOES FOR WHAT THEY NEED. SO I'LL JUST HAVE HIM ADD WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR. YEAH, FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR YOU. OKAY. I THINK HE'S ALREADY. I THINK HE'S ALREADY WORKING ON IT. YEAH, HE'S ALREADY WORKED ON THE, ON THE, ON THIS ONE. YEAH.

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COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO START WITH COMMISSIONER GALLINA AND NOTED I NEXT TIME I APOLOGIZE.

DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS MORE FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TOMORROW AND THE FOLLOWING DAYS THEN THEN TODAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO REWORK ALL OF WHAT WE HAVE IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHITTLE THOSE DOWN THE THE VEHICLE IS TO BE DETERMINED. THE GAS AND OIL.

WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE BACK TO 6500. WHAT ELSE. WHAT ELSE? NUMBER 486 $200,000 OF CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. SO GOOD QUESTION. I LET ME LET ME CLARIFY ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR FOR CONTRACT SERVICES. THAT WAS FOR OUR ROADWAY MAINTENANCE PLAN. AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE WRAPPED UP THIS YEAR AND EVERYTHING PAID FOR THIS YEAR. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF I NEEDED TO LEAVE IT THERE OR IF THAT MONEY IS ALREADY EARMARKED AND ACCOUNTED FOR. HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT, LISA, WITH THE THAT'S THE KIMLEY-HORN CONTRACT WE JUST AWARDED. SO WE JUST PUT IT THERE LAST YEAR AS A PLACE TO TO HOLD IT. LUCKILY, IT'S IN THE IN IT'S IN FUND 51. SO IT'LL, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST BUDGET IT AGAIN. AND BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, WE CAN JUST BUDGET IT AGAIN.

RIGHT. IT'LL THE MONEY DOESN'T DOESN'T MOVE OUT THERE. SO DOES IT NEED TO BE SHOWN HERE. IT'LL.

OKAY. YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT A NEW 200,000. IT'S THAT SAME MONEY. NOW. IT TECHNICALLY IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FUND 51 DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND THAT $200,000 WAS IN FUND 51 FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. YEAH, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE UNDER THE FIRE MARSHAL. NO, IT'S NOT UNDER THE FIRE MARSHAL. IT'S JUST SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO EXPRESS IT IN THE BUDGET. BECAUSE FIRE MARSHAL IS UNDER FUND 51. SO THIS FITS FITS NEATLY THERE. I AGREE THIS IS NOT A FIRE MARSHAL EXPENSE. OKAY. IT WILL NOT SHOW IN THE BUDGET THAT MELISSA IS GOING TO GIVE US WHEN WE START FIGHTING ABOUT IT. IT WILL NOT SHOW AS UNDER THE FIRE MARSHAL. IT'LL SHOW WAS UNDER FUND 51 AS CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. CORRECT.

IN DEVELOPMENT NO IN FUND 51. FUN 51. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING FIRE MARSHAL? OKAY. AND I'VE TALKED WITH MELISSA TOO ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON MASSAGING THIS AND GETTING SOME OF THESE ITEMS AGAIN, ADDED UNDER THE CORRECT LINE ITEM THAT THEY NEED TO BE ADDED TO. SO IT'LL IT'LL LOOK BETTER SOON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ROAD AND BRIDGE. THE BIGGEST ITEM THAT THAT I HAVE FOR Y'ALL IS REQUESTING A NEW DUMP TRUCK. THIS WOULD BE REPLACING AN EXISTING DUMP TRUCK THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IT'S A 15 YEAR OLD TRUCK AND IT'S GOT OVER 100,000 HOURS OF MACHINE HOURS. SO WE HAVE A QUOTE TO REPLACE IT FOR $220,000, 500, SORRY, $220,563. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WOULD SELL THE EXISTING DUMP TRUCK, DIDN'T WE BUY A NEW DUMP TRUCK LAST YEAR OR WAS IT THE YEAR BEFORE? NO, IT WAS ACTUALLY WE DECIDED TO LEASE A WHEEL LOADER. A WHEEL LOADER. GOT IT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU YOU HAVE BOUGHT A DUMP TRUCK SINCE YOU'VE BEEN. YEAH, YEAH, WE BOUGHT A DUMP TRUCK. OUR FIRST BUDGET. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. BUT WE'LL GET YOU THAT 2024. WE'LL GET THE INVENTORY OVER TO YOU ALL TOO. YEAH. PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT. YEAH. OH, PERFECT. Y'ALL. IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE INVENTORY, I HAVE IT HERE. I WOULD LIKE ONE. SO, LISA, I KNOW YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO GET TO IT IN A MOMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. WE WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL DUMP TRUCK THAN THE ONE THAT WAS PURCHASED, PROBABLY THAT WE APPROVED IN EITHER 23 OR 24

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GIVE ME GIVE ME THE DETAILS BECAUSE THEY'RE AREN'T ALL GOING TO BE IN A DUMP TRUCK AT ONE TIME. I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, DUMP TRUCK PARADE AROUND THE COUNTY ON FRIDAY. AND I APOLOGIZE. WAYNE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, BUT I WILL DO MY BEST TO, TO GET ALL THESE ANSWERED FOR Y'ALL. OKAY. WE HAVE TWO SMALLER EIGHT YARD DUMP TRUCKS, AND THEN WE HAVE 312 YARD DUMP TRUCKS AND A 20 YARD DUMP TRUCK, AND THEN ANOTHER 12. SO THIS IS A 12 YARD THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING THAT ONE MORE TIME. HOW MANY OF WHAT YARDS? SORRY, THERE ARE 412 YARD DUMP TRUCKS AND A 20 YARD AND THEN TWO EIGHT YARDS.

AND YOU HAVE SEVEN ACTIVE EMPLOYEES, TWO PART TIME, WHICH ARE SEASONAL OR TEMP POSITIONS AND THEN TWO VACANT POSITIONS. SO TOTAL ACTIVE OR SEVEN. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE USE PARTICULAR USE OF THE 12 YARDS IS TYPICALLY. IS THAT WHAT IS. I MEAN THAT'S THE MOST OF OUR FLEET. IS IT MAINLY USED FOR ROAD PROJECTS. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA. YEAH. SO THIS ONE THIS ONE IS GOING TO CARRY ROAD MATERIAL FOR OUR ASPHALT AND CHIP CEILING. OKAY. HOW OLD ARE THE TWO EIGHT YARDS THAT ARE ON THERE? THE TWO EIGHT YARDS. OH THEY'RE EVEN OLDER. ONE OF THEM IS FROM 2007 AND ONE'S FROM 2009. SO WHAT I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IS REALLY WHAT THE USE IS FOR THE EIGHT YARDS, WHAT THEY'RE BEING USED FOR, AND THEN WHAT THE 20 YARDS BEING USED FOR, FOR SURE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN WITH ALL OF THESE. AND I KNOW YOU'VE ONLY JUST BEEN HERE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WAYNE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR US. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HOURS AS WELL. YEAH. AND THEN HOW MANY? YEAH, EXACTLY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO. AND THEN. HOURS FOR EACH VEHICLE. YES. YEAH. IT'S IMPORTANT ON THESE BIG SUPER COMMERCIAL ONES. I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW. YOUR THOUGHTS. AND I'M GOING TO LET COMMISSIONER LICHTY SPEAK BECAUSE HE'S STARING AT ME. HE'S NOT SMILING THOUGH, WHICH IS CONCERNING. SO YOU'RE GETTING REALLY GOOD AT JUST JUST PERCEIVING. I CAN JUST FEEL IT. I CAN JUST FEEL IT COMING. SO I, I ALSO WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE SEE THE DEPARTMENT HEADING BEFORE WE LOOK AT SPENDING $220,000 ON A, ON A SOMETHING WE MAY OR MAY NOT REALLY NEED. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. NO, I THINK YOU AND I ARE A LOT ALIKE HERE, BUT I GUESS WE ARE TALKING A REPLACEMENT. WE'RE CLEARLY NOT ADDING ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE USING THEM ALL TO CURRENT CAPACITY? ARE ANY OF THEM DO I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE KIND OF A ARE ALL SEVEN OF THEM EVER ALL OUT AT ONCE? I DON'T THINK SO. ARE THEY EVER JUST USED FOR STORAGE OF MATERIALS? I WOULD HAVE TO ASK WAYNE THAT JUST TO JUST TO VERIFY. I WILL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT WHAT EACH ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR ON A DAILY BASIS. I THINK THE OLDER ONES, THE SMALLER, OLDER ONES AREN'T GETTING UTILIZED WITH MUCH FREQUENCY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE MY GUESS. SO

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BUT YOU BROUGHT A GOOD POINT UP WHEN YOU SAID THAT. I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO BE TRACKING. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO START IF WE COULD. IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE MILEAGE DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH. I KNOW MY STAFF JUST WENT OUT LAST WEEK AND DID AN INVENTORY AUDIT AND A TOOL AUDIT OUT THERE. SO I'LL, I'LL CHECK AND SEE WHAT WHAT KIND OF THINGS THEY WERE LOOKING AT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, MAN. I'LL I'M GOING TO UPGRADE THIS EQUIPMENT LIST. I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH WAYNE AND GET EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT EACH OF THOSE DUMP TRUCKS ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE SELL OFF AND PUT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, REPLACING AN OLDER TRUCK THAT WE ARE UTILIZING A LOT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION. YEAH. AND SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE HOURS, THE EIGHT YARDS MIGHT NOT BE WORTH VERY MUCH. THOSE ARE TOUGH. LIKE THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE EVEN HAVE AND THEY'RE OLDER, BUT I WOULD NEVER BUY ANOTHER EIGHT YARD EVER. WE MIGHT HAVE THEM BECAUSE GETTING RID OF THEM JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE PROBABLY. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NEW ONE, IF THIS IS A THING THAT WE DECIDE TO PURSUE, YOU CAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THESE NEW EVERY TIME. SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO BUY THESE THINGS. ONE IS TO BUY BRAND NEW, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE. YOU CAN BUY THEM USED DEPENDING ON WHERE THE HOURS ARE. HOURS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MILEAGE ON THESE, AND YOU CAN LEASE THEM. AND SO IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN AND YOU CAN LEASE THEM FOR THE JOB AS WELL. IF YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT ALL THE TIME. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT, IS IT THAT DO WE NEED IT AT ALL OR ARE WE GOING TO IS ANY OF THIS WORK THAT WE'RE DOING NOW POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCED AT ALL? AND IF IT IS, THEN WE GOT TO CONSIDER THAT, TOO, BEFORE MAKING A BIG CAPEX HIT TO OUR BUDGET. YEAH. AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT. AND CONSIDERING WE'VE HAD ISSUES OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH STAFFING, BEING ABLE TO FULLY STAFF OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT AND. THE PARTICULAR SKILLS THAT WE NEED TO, TO BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE HOLES FOR, FOR WHAT WE'RE OFFERING. WE'RE JUST NOT FINDING THE, THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT FOLKS TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCING MORE OF THAT WORK. THE CHIP CEILING AND THE ASPHALT OVERLAYS AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW MUCH WE COULD GET FOR OUR MONEY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING COMING SOON. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A SMALL QUESTION. THERE'S A SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET THAT ISN'T IN THE BUDGET. IT'S DID SOMETHING GO AWAY OR. YEAH, WE HAD A WE HAD A SOFTWARE THAT WAS THAT WE PAID FOR. AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, IT WAS NOT NOT WORTH THE MONEY. IT WAS VERY ARCHAIC THE SOFTWARE AND JUST WASN'T BEING WELL UTILIZED. SO I AT THIS POINT, WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH SPREADSHEETS THAN THAN THAT PARTICULAR SOFTWARE. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO WASTE COUNTY MONEY ON IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WELL, SEVERAL. SO I'M SURE YOU CAN HELP ME THROUGH IT. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE SALARIES. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL START AND SAY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE. I GUESS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING A HALF OF A CHIEF ASSISTANT SALARY THAT HAS GONE AWAY. OKAY. AND THEN ROAD AND BRIDGE SALARIES. RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL NUMBERS OF THAT AND WHERE WE ARE YEAR TO DATE OF 152 SEVEN. AND YOU'VE GOT YOU'RE KEEPING THE THE BUDGET FOR 27, WHAT YOU HAVE FOR 26 OF 446,000. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, BASICALLY THIS WHOLE TOP SECTION, WE DON'T DEPARTMENT HEADS DON'T NORMALLY MESS WITH IT. WE JUST LEAVE IT. IT'S THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE. OKAY. THE SALARY PIECE OF IT. I JUST KNOW THAT OUR CHIEF ASSISTANT IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE SPLITTING THEIR TIME BETWEEN ROAD AND BRIDGE AND AG, SO THOSE DUTIES ARE GOING TO BE ABSORBED BY OUR CLERK AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO THAT'S THE ONLY LINE ITEM I CHANGED AT ALL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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THERE I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THAT NUMBER IS IT'S BEEN UPDATED. IT IS. AND I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE UPDATED ONE RIGHT HERE. AND WE STILL, YOU KNOW, FROM TALKING WITH WAYNE, WE STILL THINK THAT WE'RE ON TRACK TO USE THE MONEY. WE THIS IS THERE'S A THERE'S A CHUNK OF THE YEAR WHEN IT'S, IT'S TOO COLD TO DO A LOT OF THAT WORK IS RAINY. THIS IS THE SEASON WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BLOWING THROUGH THIS BUDGET PRETTY QUICKLY. SO YEAH, STAY TUNED.

OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. RENTAL EQUIPMENT. I MEAN, ARE WE STILL DID WE JUST TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AGO DOWN 704 63. WE HAD 75,000 IN THERE. WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY I GUESS WE HAVEN'T RENTED ANYTHING THIS YEAR. WELL WE ARE GOING TO BE LEASING THAT WHEEL LOADER THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT GOT APPROVED BY THE COURT. THAT WON'T BE IN THAT ONE. NO, I THINK RENTAL EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR TOOL OR SOMETHING WAYNE NEEDED FOR A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY CHARGED TO RENTAL EQUIPMENT, IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. OH, WELL, THOSE BIG PIECES OF WOMEN ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. OR IF HE NEEDS IT FOR A WEEK OR SOMETHING. BUT THE ERIKA, THE CAPITAL LEASE WOULD BE IN THAT CAPITAL LINE.

OKAY. DOWN ON THE SECOND PAGE, YOU'VE HAD YOUR WHEEL LOADER, THAT KIND OF WE SPENT 30 GRAND, BUT 75 SEEMS I CAN. OKAY, LET ME I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU GOT IT.

SO THE. YEAH. I THINK FROM TALKING WITH WAYNE, WE KEPT THIS LINE ITEM THE SAME. I'M REMEMBERING OUR CONVERSATION. HE WAS SAYING THAT SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, WHEN WE RENT IT, IF WE RENT IT PER DAY, IT CAN BE IT CAN ADD UP PRETTY QUICKLY $2,000 A DAY OR SOMETHING, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE WE'RE RENTING. SO I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE LEFT THAT IN THERE. OKAY. THE WAY IT IS. AND, AND IT CAN BE, WE CAN, WE CAN REDUCE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE MANAGEABLE. I KNOW WE IN THE PAST 2024 WAS THE HIGHEST WE SPENT. IT WAS AROUND 31000.

SO WE COULD, WE COULD REDUCE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND LET ME JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK. THE THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND IS, IS ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL FUNDS. SO IT'S A FINITE FUND. SO YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT BUDGETED AND IT COMES UP, THEN WE CAN'T SPEND IT. SO YOU'RE BETTER TO, TO HAVE FULL AMOUNTS, FULL CAPACITY OF WHAT YOU THINK. NOW THAT FUND IS HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH ITSELF. LAST YEAR YOU HAD TO HELP FUND IT, OR YOU MAY HAVE

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IT'S THIS IS THE $10 FEE THAT WE COLLECT RIGHT FROM REGISTRATION, ANY KIND OF PROJECTION ON WHAT THIS FUND IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED TO BUDGET TO. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THIS YEAR, AND I THINK I. COMMISSIONER STACY HAS MY. WE'RE EXPECTING THAT FUND TO THE EXPENSE SIDE TO BE ABOUT 1.7 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. AND. AND SO WE'LL I THINK THE FUNDS GOING TO SUPPORT ITSELF WITHOUT THAT DOSAGE FROM THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR. BUT LIKE ERICA SAID, THIS IS THEIR HOT TIME OF THE YEAR. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING THE MONIES. BUT BUT IF COMMISSIONER STACY WANTS TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, MY OFFICE JUST KIND OF WENT THROUGH WITH WAYNE WHAT HE THINKS HE'LL STILL SPEND. AND WE TALLIED ABOUT 1.7 MILLION TO FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. THAT IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY. I DID SEE THAT ON THERE. OKAY. BE PREPARED. OKAY TO BE SURPRISED. AND THEN MY LAST ONE AND ERICA, THIS IS EITHER FOR YOU OR PERHAPS COMMISSIONER STACY IS THE CONTRACT SERVICES. I MEAN, YOU'RE KEEPING IT AT THE SAME.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS PROBABLY OUR FAN, BUT IS THAT IS THAT THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH KIMLEY-HORN THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, COMMISSIONER STACY OR OR EITHER ERICA. THAT IS THE KIMLEY-HORN ROAD CONTRACT FOR US TO GO OUT AND, AND DO THE ROAD INSPECTIONS. IT'S RIGHT. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN HERE. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT IN HERE AT ALL.

THAT IS THAT IS IN FUND 51. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE FIVE SIX 569,000 THEN? SO THIS WAS THIS WAS MONEY THAT WAS PUT IN FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FOR CONTRACT SERVICES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO OUTSOURCE SOME OF THE REPAIRS OF CONCRETE ROADS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CONCRETE ROADS. SO THERE'S AN RFP COMING YOUR WAY SOON.

THAT'LL THAT'LL GET ONE OF THOSE ROADS HOPEFULLY DONE THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO USE SOME OF THAT MONEY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO USE EVERY BIT OF IT, BUT IT'LL DEPEND ON WHAT THE PROPOSALS COME BACK LIKE. OKAY. YEAH. AND YOU'VE USED IT. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH IS, IS THE LONG BRANCH, THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S THAT'S THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE USED CONTRACT SERVICES AND ROAD AND BRIDGE TO FIX. I WAS GETTING CONFUSED WITH CONTRACT SERVICES. WELL, WE ALSO USE IT IN HIGH POINT LAKE ESTATES. AND WE DID THAT, I GUESS. ARE YOU. I'M DONE. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

YOU HIT ALL THE BUTTONS I HIT. BUT A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST TO FOLLOW UP ALL THE THINGS I WANTED TO LOOK AT. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SPENT ALL THE MONEY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A SEASON, AS JUDGE SAID THAT WE DO THIS, BUT DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR NEXT YEAR? I KNOW ONE OF THE IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS PLENTY OF ROADS TO REPAIR, AND WE HAVE A HARD TIME SOMETIMES GETTING THE WORK DONE. BUT DO YOU THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR? I BELIEVE SO, I MEAN, WE WE KEPT IT AT THE SAME AMOUNT AS THIS YEAR BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND EVERY BIT OF IT. AND AGAIN, WITH COSTS GOING UP, WE DIDN'T WANT TO UNDERSHOOT IT.

SO WE, WE THINK THAT WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ASSESSMENT TO JUST KEEP IT WHERE IT WAS. OKAY.

AND WHERE ARE WE AT ON JONES ROAD? SO JONES ROAD IS STILL ON OUR LIST TO, TO TO GO BACK.

WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO DO IT THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YES, SIR. IF WE POSSIBLY CAN. THE FORECAST IS FOR IT TO BE A RAINY SUMMER. EL NINO HITTING US. SO YOU KNOW A LOT OF THIS WORK JUST DEPENDS ON US HAVING THE WEATHER COOPERATING WITH US. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN WITH THE CREW WE GOT. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PORTION OF JONES THAT'S STILL A DIRT ROAD. YES. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. YEAH, YEAH.

IN OUR COUNTY. YES, SIR. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING LOOKING AT DOING A FLEX BASE ON THAT 8 TO 12IN THICK. SO THAT'S, THAT'S STILL THE PLAN. AND I TALKED WITH WAYNE ABOUT IT THIS MORNING AND AND WE'VE STILL GOT IT ON OUR LIST. GREAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. CAN YOU TELL ME THIS MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR? CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT REPAIRS. WHAT WE WE SPENT SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY IN THERE THIS YEAR. WHAT IS IS THAT FOR EQUIPMENT THAT WE BREAK AND WE HAVE TO FIX. THAT'S FOR REPAIRS FOR OUR OWN EQUIPMENT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO

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IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ROAD AND BRIDGE, BUDGET WISE? THAT'S IT. I LIKE LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, I'M EXPLORING WHAT IT WOULD COST IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE TO TRY TO OUTSOURCE MORE OF OUR ROAD WORK. SO WE MIGHT NEED TO SHIFT MONEY FROM MATERIAL TO CONTRACT SERVICES.

IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION. WE HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH GETTING LOTS OF BIDS ON ANOTHER ROAD PROJECT. SO I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE THIS IS THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK

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YES. LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE RFP AS WELL. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO OUR MEETINGS TOMORROW START AT 10:30 A.M. SO WE WILL SEE EVERYBODY

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.