Jun 18, 2026 Commissioners Court Workshop Meeting

[2. Discussion of FY2027 Budget, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

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PUT ME ON THE SPOT LIKE THIS. GET ANYTHING GOOD? ALL RIGHT. TAKE IT AWAY. CONSTABLE. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. BUDGET'S ALWAYS A FUN TIME OF THE YEAR. I KNOW YOU ALL ENJOY IT SO MUCH, BUT JUST. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING ALONG HERE. JUST KIND OF PIECEMEALING CARS AND LOOKING FOR HELP AND. AND SO I KNOW MONEY MAY BE AN ISSUE THIS YEAR, BUT MONEY'S PROBABLY ALSO AN ISSUE EVERY YEAR, BUT WE EITHER NEED SOME PART TIME HELP. SO WE HAVE TIME TO PUT SOMEBODY IN COURT AND GO SERVE PAPERS OR GET SOMEBODY TO DO PAPERWORK. SO YESTERDAY WE HAD COURT AT NINE. I SERVED A PAPER AT 840, CAME BACK AT COURT AT ONE, GOT OUT AT THREE, WENT HOME AT FIVE, REDRESSED AT SEVEN, GOT HOME ABOUT 9:00 LAST NIGHT. IT WAS EIGHT THE NIGHT BEFORE. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING DURING THE DAY WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN COURT ALL DAY. AND OUR COURT, THE MORE THE PAPERS, THE THE MORE THE COURT, THE THE MORE THE TIME YOU'RE STUCK IN THE OFFICE. SO THAT'S THE REASON I, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, EITHER ONE WOULD WORK. I THINK THE I THINK A PART TIME PERSON WOULD BE EASIER BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FOR A PLACE TO PUT THEM.

BUT YOU DO HAVE A CAR ISSUE. IF YOU HIRE A PERSON WITH THE CLERK, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM? YOU GOT ALL THE EQUIPMENT, AND AS EVERYBODY IN A FALL IN LINE AND WORK WITH A WORK WITH A CLERK AND EVERYBODY WANT TO DO THE SAME THING. SO JUST, JUST LOOKING FOR AND LIKE I SAY, I DON'T THINK I WOULD USE THEM ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS WEEKS. THEY'RE BUSIER THAN OTHERS. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE LATELY IT THOSE WEEKS DON'T COME ALONG AS MUCH ANYMORE AS THEY USED TO. CAR SITUATION. I MEAN, IF MY CAR WOULD CRANK, I DON'T NEED A CAR, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT WAS 7 OR 8 TIMES. I'VE JUMPED IT OFF. I GOT A JUMP BOX IN THE BACK FLOORBOARD. I TOOK IT TO PURSUIT TWO WEEKS AGO. IT'S BEEN TO AUTO CRAFT TWICE. IT'S BEEN THE PURSUIT TWICE. WE SPENT $944 ON IT TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEN IT WOULDN'T CRANK MONDAY, SO I DON'T. WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT FIXED. WE THOUGHT WE HAD A SHORT IN THE SIREN BOX AND THAT DIDN'T FIX IT. SO I'M TIRED OF JUMPING OFF MY CAR. WHAT YEAR IS IT? IT'S NOT. IT'S THAT 19 MODEL WITH ALL THE ISSUES, TRANSMISSIONS, KIND OF MAKING A LITTLE CLUNK RIGHT NOW, BUT ALRIGHTY. OH MAN, DON'T SAY THAT. YOU SAID IT OUT LOUD. YEAH. THE 19 WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES. I'M TRYING TO GET ALL THE NINETEENS OUT. IS IT ELECTRICAL ISSUES? BECAUSE THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE ELECTRICAL AND TRANSMISSIONS HAVE GONE OUT ON, ON LIKE HALF OF THE 19 TAHOES WE HAVE. WOW. YEAH, I CAN, I CAN IT'S REALLY BAD. YEAH. AND IN TIME THEY ALL GO OUT. SO WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DUMP, YOU KNOW, FIVE GRAND INTO IT AT SOME POINT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO. IF WE DON'T, WE'VE ALREADY TRANSFERRED FOUR BECAUSE I RAN OUT OF MONEY. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU GOT THAT OTHER. 19. THAT OTHER SILVER ONE. AND THEN CHAD'S BOTH IN MINE. SO WE'VE ALREADY SPENT TEN AND ALL WE HAD WAS CHAD'S. CHAD'S ALREADY HAD ISSUES TOO. YEAH. AND NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 19. I DON'T THINK I HAVE $1,900 IN MY BUDGET. YEAH. SO THE. 19 MONEY TO, TO FIX IT. WHY THEY DIDN'T RECALL THOSE. BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BAD. I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE. 19 AND THE OTHER PART IS, IS INSTEAD OF OTHER COURTS, JUST LIKE CAPTAIN BROWN DOES THEIR CAR, THEY THEY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AT ONE TIME. IT'S WIRED AT ONE TIME. THIS ONE'S HAD THREE DIFFERENT CAMERAS, ADDED A RADAR, CHANGED THE RADIO, ADDED A GUN RACK. SO I THINK THERE'S A SHORT IN THERE SOMEWHERE. BUT WHO IN THE WORLD CAN CAN FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN PIECEMEALED OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ELECTRICAL PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO WITH IT. SO BUT IT'S TIME TO

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KEVIN BROWN HASN'T MADE ME AWARE OF THIS ONE AT ALL. SO I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT I JUST PUT IT IN THE MIX AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND WE'LL DETERMINE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. I, I HATE TO MOVE OFF OF A 3000 MILE TAHOE. BUT IS IT CONCEIVABLY POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD TURN THAT INTO A POOL CAR POTENTIALLY IF WE CAN GET IT TO CRANK, BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE THE ELECTRICAL ISSUES IRREGARDLESS. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ELECTRICAL. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND SO, SO MAYBE STRIPPING IT AND SELLING IT IS BETTER USAGE OF OUR MONEY BECAUSE IT'S STILL A LOW MILEAGE TAHOE. IF WE TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF IT, IT'LL PROBABLY CRANK IT MAY BE WE'RE LIKELY TO BE AS LONG AS IF WE TAKE EVERYTHING OUT AND IT'S STILL AND IT WORKS BETTER, WE'RE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO SELL THAT TO ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY OR SOMETHING. WE DO THAT A LOT WITH THE LOW MILEAGE ONES, AND WE GET MORE MONEY THAT WAY. BUT IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT TO CRANK NORMALLY, THEN WE CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. I THINK IF YOU STRIPPED IT, IT WOULD BE FINE. IT'S JUST SOMETHING IN THAT WIRING. BUT WE ONLY GAVE 325 FOR THAT CAR. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A BAD THING IS IT'S OUT OF WARRANTY BECAUSE OF THE YEAR. YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE YEARS. YEAH. THE OTHER THING IS CONSTABLE, IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO. AND THEN BOBBY HAS TAKEN THIS OVER IS TO TRY TO PULL OUT OF PATROL CARS FASTER TO GET MORE LIFE OUT OF THE CAR. SO THOSE PATROL CARS LAST A VERY, VERY FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT THEN AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS DRIVE, YOU'RE STILL DRIVING LESS THAN A PATROL OFFICER THAT JUST ABUSES HIS CAR. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PULL OUT OF THE PATROL CARS. AND SO IN ESSENCE, IF THAT WORKS AND IT'S UP TO COMMISSIONER GALLINA AND CAPTAIN BROWN TO DO IT, IF THAT WORKS, IT KIND OF CHANGES YOUR PARADIGM OF POTENTIALLY GETTING MORE CARS MORE FREQUENTLY. BUT IT'S A CAR. IT'LL BE OUTFITTED AND IT'LL CRANK AND, AND INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF BE BROKEN. SO, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.

AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S UP TO THEM. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, I JUST HEARD PIECEMEALING AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE WERE PIECEMEALING A CAR, BUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. THAT WAS A WAY I WAS LIKE, WE HAVEN'T PIECEMEALED A CAR. WE OUTFIT THEM AND THEN PUT THEM IN USE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I HAVE A SOME QUESTIONS, CONSTABLE, ABOUT THE GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE. SO YOU'VE ASKED FOR 4500 BUT HAVE ALREADY SPENT ALMOST 5300. SHOULDN'T WE BUMP THAT UP? WELL, IF WE KEEP IF WE KEEP THE OLD SILVER CAR AND WE KEEP MY CAR. SO THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT $2,000 MORE ON TOP OF WHAT. SO WE PUT ABOUT $8,000 IN MY CAR. SO THAT'S MORE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS THAN IT IS. YEAH. IT'S NOT REALLY. NO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GASOLINE.

I MEAN, IT IS STRICTLY IT IS STRICTLY REPAIRS. YEAH. IT'S HARD. IT'S THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS PART OF THE BUDGET I DON'T LIKE I MEAN IT IT'S THE WAY IT IS. IT'S THE WAY IT'S PROBABLY SUPPOSED TO BE SET UP. I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT. MAINTENANCE IS IN HERE WITH GAS AND OIL. I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IT'S IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO DIAL IN THE BUDGET MENTALLY. IT

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THIS MIGHT BE EASIER BECAUSE THERE'S LESS ASSETS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST GET WITH WITH LISA AND SEE IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO GO.

IT'S MAINTENANCE. YES. KEEP THE GAS AND OIL CHANGES POTENTIALLY. YOU KNOW THE STUFF WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THE INSPECTIONS, THE OIL CHANGES IN HERE. BUT THAT WAY WE CAN POTENTIALLY LOOK AT MANAGING OUR FLEET AS A FLEET. IT ALL COMES THROUGH. WE GO, OH MY GOODNESS, THIS CAR IS HERE.

THIS CAR IS THERE. INSTEAD OF IT BEING IN IN THE CONSTABLE'S BUDGET. OH, WE'VE ALREADY HAVE $10,000 IN THIS BUDGET. SO YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT JUST WOULD HELP YOU KIND OF GRAB THAT. IT WOULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, OUR REVOLVING MAINTENANCE YEAR TO YEAR BETTER AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS RIGHT. ALL THE REPORTING THAT GOES WITH THOSE MAINTENANCE SPENDS WOULD ALL THEN BE TOGETHER. AND SO I COULD EVALUATE OUR MAINTENANCE PARTNERS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO SEE IF WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SUPER CONFUSING FOR Y'ALL, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU LIKE TO GET BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENT ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S CRAZY FOR YOU. IT'S JUST A LIKE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT I GET IT. YOU KNOW, MY POINT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL IS AN ENTITY ON THEIR OWN, AND WE NEED TO SEE WHAT IT COSTS TO HAVE A CONSTABLE NUMBER TWO AND ALL THE EXPENSES THAT GO WITH IT, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE MOVING MORE TOWARDS THE FLEET COMMITTEE, THOUGH, OF HAVING AN OVERSIGHT, I WROTE IT DOWN THAT I YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT JUST PULLING THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OUT, SINCE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON'S FORAY ANYMORE TO, TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR CAR. I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO YOU RIGHT NOW. IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU CONSTABLE. SO I SEE THE RESERVE CONSTABLE'S GAS AND OIL AND MAINTENANCE IS IN YOUR BUDGET. DO YOU CARRY ALL OF THE RESERVE CONSTABLE'S GAS AND OIL AND MAINTENANCE OR IS THAT SHARED? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THE RESERVE GAS AND OIL CHAD'S UNDERMINE CHAD. AND ONCE WE FIGURE OUT THE MANPOWER, WE COULD MOVE THAT CAR TO WHOEVER'S BUDGET HE ENDS UP UNDER. BUT YES, I HAVE. I HAVE THE SILVER TAHOE, THE ONE CHAD DRIVES, THE SILVER TAHOE'S THE SPARE. IT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOT LIKE 105,000 MILES ON IT. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN TREY GOT A NEW CAR OR CONSTABLE. SORRY, WHEN THE CONSTABLE GOT A NEW CAR, THEY KEPT HIS CAR. SO WHEN WE JUST MOVED THE POOL CAR, IT JUST WAS ALREADY IN HIS BUDGET. SO IT'S JUST NEVER MOVED OUT. I'M JUST LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHY. WHY THAT HAPPENED. YEAH. DO YOU STILL HAVE ANY RESERVES? NO, I DIDN'T THINK YOU DID BECAUSE SOMETHING CHANGED AND IT'S JUST NOT A NOT A THING ANYMORE. I JUST IT'S HARD TO FIND. I MEAN, OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO WORK FOR NOTHING. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE DON'T, WE DON'T PROVIDE ANYTHING BUT A BOND.

YEAH. AND, AND THEY WERE SOME OF THEM WERE JUST DOING IT. SO YOU WOULD CARRY THEIR. YEAH, PRETTY MUCH JUST CARRYING THEIR LICENSE. AND IT'S HONESTLY MOST OF THE TIME IT'S A WASTE OF MY TIME. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF EFFORT TO DO IT NOW THROUGH TICO, THEY'VE MADE IT REALLY DIFFICULT. LET'S SAY THERE'S BEEN SOME TICO CHANGES THAT MADE IT KIND OF NOT WORTH IT.

YEAH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT NOW. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WE'VE INCREASED OUR UNIFORMS AND ACCESSORIES AND I THINK I'VE CRACKED THE CODE. ARE WE GETTING NEW PLATES FOR OUR VEST.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GETTING? NO, I DID NOT CRACK. YOUR VEST EXPIRES. OKAY. AFTER FIVE YEARS.

I HOPE THIS ONE MAKES IT TO THE FIVE YEAR POINT, BECAUSE THERE'S HOLES IN THE SIDE OF MY WHERE THE VEST PADS RUB TOGETHER. SO THIS COVER, I ONLY GOT ONE COVER, SO I HOPE IT MAKES IT TILL THE NEW ONE COMES IN. BUT IT'S JUST AN ALL NEW VEST. BASICALLY, THE WARRANTY EXPIRES ON IT IN FIVE YEARS AND THAT'S JUNE OR JULY NEXT YEAR I THINK. ALL RIGHT. SO IT JUST GOES IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. WONDERFUL. BUT THIS IS NOT $3,000 IS IT? NO. IT WAS 13. I THINK IT WAS 1300 AND. GT SUPPLY SENT IT TO ME. IT'S. YEAH. 138199. YEAH. THERE YOU

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AND THERE'S BEEN REQUESTS TO ADD DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S. IF WE ADD ONE WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT THEM TO HAVE A BODY CAMERA, NO QUESTION. AND IF WE ADD ANOTHER POOL CAR, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT THAT TO HAVE CAMERAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO OUR MOTOROLA CONTRACT.

I'M SURE THEY WILL HAVE NO ISSUE ADDING THINGS TO IT, BUT I THINK I, I THINK I HAVE A BODY CAMERA, BUT BUT OF COURSE I WOULDN'T HAVE A CAR CAMERA. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CAR CAMERA.

THERE'S NOT ONE IN THAT SILVER CAR. THERE'S NOT ONE IN THAT SILVER TAHOE. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT US TO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK WE'RE CAPTURING A LOT OF THE KNOWN EXPENSES AS FAR AS THE OUTFITTING, YOU KNOW, GETTING, GETTING THE, THE, THE DESKS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT THAT WAS. SO I JUST WE NEED TO TAKE A DIVE INTO THAT AND SEE SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND CONTACT MOTOROLA ON, ON WHAT THOSE NEEDS WOULD BE. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COURT DECIDES TO GO, IS IS THERE A CAMERA IN CHAD'S CAR? I DON'T THINK THERE IS. PRETTY SURE.

YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S GOT A CAMERA. YEAH, HE'S GOT A CAMERA. OKAY. HE DOES TELL ME WHAT'S WHAT'S THE ROUTER FOR THE CAR? IS THAT THE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. SO I SUSPECT IT HAS TO DO WITH DOWNLOADING. I WAS TOLD TO ADD THAT ON THE BOTTOM OF IT. IT'S FOR THE CAMERAS. OKAY. SO SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THAT WAS JUST OVERLOOKED. AND THAT'S THE REASON ACTUALLY, I LOOKED DOWN AND SAW THE ROUTER, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE MOTOROLA. IT'S, IT'S HOW WE DID THE WIRELESS CAMERAS. REMEMBER? WE GOT TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THE CLOUD. THEY HAVE A ROUTER IN THERE TO, TO DO THAT. AND WE JUST DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT CORRECTLY. YEAH. IT SENDS THE PICTURES INTO THE. YEAH. COMPUTER. GOT IT. WHAT ELSE CONSTABLE. WE'RE DOWN TO JUST YOU'VE GOT IN HERE FOR A DEPUTY OR OR AND A CLERK. AND WHAT IS THE BIGGEST NEED. EASIEST OR BIGGEST BIGGEST. WHAT DO YOU NEED MOST. I MEAN IN THE IN THE LONG RUN WE THE THE PHONE CALLS. I MEAN, DID YOU EVER LOOK AT JOHN BENEDETTO'S PHONE CALLS THAT HE GETS BECAUSE HE'S NUMBER ONE. YEAH, IT'S IT'S IT'S OVER A THOUSAND. IT'S LIKE 900 SOME ODD PHONE CALLS A YEAR. NOT HIS BECAUSE HE'S PRECINCT ONE. AND I THINK LIKE RANDY'S WAS 90 SOMETHING AND HIS WAS LIKE 900 AND SOMETHING. JUST THE PHONE CALLS COMING IN.

THEY'RE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT EVERY PERSON UP HERE GETS THE SAME. I GET IT A LOT TOO. I, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THE GO TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE CREATING AN AI ASSISTANT, WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD STAND IN FRONT OF YOUR PHONE RINGING AND IT WOULD BE SET UP IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU DO, WHAT HAPPENS. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I'M HOPING THAT HELPS. THAT HELPS. BUT BUT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE WITH THE NEW PHONE SYSTEM. SO IF THEY RING YOUR EXTENSION, FOR INSTANCE, IT WOULD SAY, THIS IS WHO THIS PERSON IS. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS PERSON? IT WILL PROBABLY EVEN CREATE A CONSTABLE THING IF YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH A CONSTABLE, AND THEN IT TELLS THEM HOW TO HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT, BUT THEY CAN TALK TO IT AND IT WILL SEND THEM INTO THE RIGHT PLACES. AND POTENTIALLY EVEN YOU CAN SET UP A VOICE BOX THAT SAYS, IF YOU NEED OUR ADDRESS TO MAIL PAPERS, IF YOU NEED THIS, IF YOU NEED THAT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE CALLS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE VOICEMAILS, WE'RE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON DEVELOPING THAT FOR THAT EXACT PURPOSE, THAT'S FOR SURE. LOST PRODUCTIVITY WOULD SHOCK US ALL IF WE JUST CALCULATED IT BASED ON JUST GETTING RANDOM CALLS IN THE WRONG DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THAT NUMBER WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL. HUGE NUMBER. YEAH. SO SO THAT SEEMS TO ME THEN THAT THE, THE PART TIME DEPUTY WOULD BE MORE BENEFIT. I MEAN, THAT PERSON COULD HELP,

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THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BAILIFF FILL IN WORK. REALLY, THIS PERSON NEEDS TO DO MORE THAN BE A BAILIFF. SO BAILIFF CAN BE PART OF THEIR DUTY, BUT NOT THEIR SOLE DUTY. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT REQUESTS NOW FOR CLERK AND A DEPUTY PART TIME THAT I MEAN, TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO GET A DEPUTY. BUT OF COURSE, UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE ON THE COURT, I THINK CLERKS ARE A GOOD IDEA TO.

I'M SMILING. GOOD, GOOD. I'M GLAD. THANK YOU. AND SO WE GOT A. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO HAVE IT. JUDGE, WHETHER YOU JUST WHERE DO WE KEEP TALKING AROUND IT? AND AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND PROVIDE CLERK HELP FOR THESE FOLKS. AND THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I BROUGHT UP WITH STEVE WHEN HE WAS HERE WAS, COULD WE HAVE LIKE ONE CLERK SERVE TWO OR MAYBE EVEN MORE? JP AND HIS OPINION WAS, NO, BUT I'D LIKE YOUR OPINION ON THAT.

YOU MEAN COULD COULD NO ONE. CLERK ONE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR CONSTANTLY IS ALL THE PAPERWORK, ALL THE PAPERWORK. OKAY, I GET IT. I'M SURE YOU GET A LOT OF PAPERWORK, BUT INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING A PART TIME CLERK AND EVERY OTHER CONSTABLE HAVING A PART TIME CLERK, WOULD IT WORK TO GET ONE PART TIME CLERK TO SERVE MULTIPLE NEEDS? BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO FIND ONE PLACE TO PUT SOMEBODY THAN TWO OR FOR ONE CLERK COULD DO ALL. I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS CLERK IS GOING TO PRINT ALL THE STUFF THAT THE JP IS PRINTING NOW, LIKE EVICTIONS, GETTING BEYOND MY KNOWLEDGE BASE RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS TO WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE DOING. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO MAIL LETTERS FOR YOU. IS THAT TRUE? OKAY, SO YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT GOES TO MAIL LETTERS. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT TYPES LETTERS, OPENS MAIL, ANSWERS, PHONE CALLS. THAT KIND OF IS WHAT I THINK OF AS A CLERK, RECEIVES MONEY, TAKES CHECKS, DOES THE REPORT, GOES TO, GOES TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, MAKES RECEIPTS AT THE END OF THE MONTH, DOESN'T REPORT. CAN CAN WE, INSTEAD OF YOU EACH HAVING YOUR OWN SEPARATE PERSON. CAN WE POOL PEOPLE TO SERVE. IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME TO HIRE ONE PERSON FOR. FOR ONE, ONE, ONE FULL TIME CLERK AND YOU MIGHT GET BY WITH A FEW LESS HOURS.

BUT ONE ONE CLERK COULD, COULD, COULD DO ALL FOUR CONSOLES, EVEN IF THEY WERE PRINTING ALL THE EVICTIONS. YEAH, THEY WERE PRINTING ALL THE PAPERS, INPUTTING THE PAPERS ON THE COMPUTER BECAUSE I KIND OF, I KIND OF SEE, AND THIS IS JUST MY THINKING I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I KIND OF SEE HOW FOR A DEPUTY POSITION, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE ATTACHED TO A CONSTABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING YOU KIND OF RUNNING THE, THE, THE SHOW THERE. BUT FOR CLERK, IT'S AN OFFICE JOB. AND TO ME, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT THOSE INTO ONE PERSON TO SERVICE MULTIPLE CONSTABLES WILL SAVE US MONEY AND PROVIDE SOME REAL SUPPORT TO THESE GUYS.

WHAT WE CAN GET INTO IS THIS LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE IN THIS AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE HIRED, YOU KNOW, CHAD FOGG AS A PART TIME DEPUTY. AND I REMEMBER ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN YOU GUYS SHARE? AND OH YEAH, EVERYBODY CAN SHARE AND I'M SURE YOU DO, BUT IT'S JUST GOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT PERSON, NO MATTER WHERE HE OR SHE SITS, IS RESPONSIBLE TO ALL

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IT'S JUST THOSE AREN'T SMALL ISSUES. IF AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON YOU, IF YOU'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME, IF THAT PERSON MESSES UP SOMETHING THAT TREY DOES BAD AND HE HAS TO GO TO THE TREASURER AND DO ALL THIS STUFF, AND HE WANTS TO FIRE THAT PERSON. AND RANDY DOESN'T.

I MEAN, WHO GETS TO MAKE THAT DECISION? IT'S NOT AS EASY AS WE WANT IT TO BE WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS. THEY AREN'T ONE AUTONOMOUS DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING, YOUR LOGIC IS SPOT ON. HIRING A FULL TIME CLERK TO HANDLE ALL THE CONSTABLE'S MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO. AGAIN, I'M AGAINST IT. BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES LOGICAL SENSE. YEAH, BUT IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF MANAGING THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT BECOMES A LOT MORE TROUBLESOME THAN WE WANT TO NECESSARILY ADMIT. IT CAN'T OVERCOME IT. NO. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT. I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR LAST SENTENCE. IT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON. I DO KNOW THIS, THAT SOMEHOW FIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS MANAGED TO HIRE THE BEST OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR WE'VE EVER SEEN WHO SUPERVISED BY CAMI WEBB. I TAKE CREDIT FOR ALL OF THAT. YOU DO WELL. AND SO SOMEHOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT. AND MY GUESS IS IF IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE UNHAPPY, WE WOULD TALK AMONGST EACH OTHER AND WE WOULD FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD TOO. AND IF THEY CAN'T, THEN THE THE RESULT FOR YOU GUYS IS VERY NEGATIVE. YOU JUST LOSE THE PERSON, FIGURE OUT HOW YOU USED TO DO IT. I'M OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN'T RELY ON THE COUNTY CLERK TO TO SEE THE CLERK AND LEGALLY, I HAVE NO IDEA THE RAMIFICATIONS OF WHAT I JUST SAID. BUT HAVING A CLERK THAT ANSWERS TO THE COUNTY CLERK, THAT'S KIND OF A SATELLITE CLERK. I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY SEND CLERKS INTO THE COURTS, THEY COULD BE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT VIEWED AS A ROTATING POSITION. THAT CLERK'S GOT TO STAY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE JP'S DO. I DON'T WANT THEM TO ROTATE PEOPLE OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO THAT. YEAH, IF IT'S UNDER. GOOD POINT, COUNTY CLERK. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY TO MANAGE THIS AND NOT EVEN HAVE TO TAKE THAT STEP. REALLY. ONE IS DO WHAT WE DO. THAT PERSON CAN ROLL UP TO CAMI, AND WE CAN HAVE A LIST OF JOB DUTIES THAT THEY'VE GOT TO ADHERE TO. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING BAD GOING ON, IT'S GOT TO BE DOCUMENTED LIKE ANY OTHER POSITION THAT'S GOT ISSUES. AND IF THE CONSTABLE'S CAN'T GET TOGETHER AND DOCUMENT IT, THEN THAT PERSON'S GOING TO STAY THERE FOREVER. EVEN IF THEY'RE TERRIBLE. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT TO DOCUMENT AND THEN CAMI CAN USE THE DOCUMENTATION AND CAN WORK WITH THEM TO HELP WITH DOCUMENTATION IF NECESSARY. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DAY TO DAY MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S GOING ON, I THINK THAT'S JUST UP TO THEM TO WORK OUT. BUT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEE HAS A DEFINED ROLE AND HAS AN UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEIR ROLE IS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAS SOMEONE TO GO TO, TO TALK TO IF SOMETHING'S OFF.

AND, AND CAMI CAN, CAN DO THAT. I'M JUST PUTTING WORDS IN HER MOUTH, BUT SHE CAN DO THE SAME KIND OF SCENARIO. SHE MIGHT NOT BE THE DAY TO DAY MANAGER, BUT THE ROLL UP. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION. THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO. BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IF IF WE DID THAT AND CAMI WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE SHE WAS GETTING CONSTANT COMPLAINTS FROM ONE OF THE CONSTABLE'S THAT NOT THINGS GETTING DONE, THINGS GETTING SCREWED UP, WHATEVER, THEN SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AS HER AS A PROFESSIONAL, HER POSITION, AND ULTIMATELY SHE NEEDS TO COME TO US. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF WORKING IT OUT. AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T IGNORE THESE ISSUES.

AND I GET IT. WE HAVE TO GET IN THE WEEDS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE WORKING HERE. THAT AND JUST HUMAN NATURE THAT IN 99% OF THE CASES WILL GET WORKED OUT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU. I JUST JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, BUT WE

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OKAY, THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE STATUTORILY WE MIGHT HAVE TO LIKE THAT'S THE QUESTION THE STATUTE REQUIRE THAT WE DO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

WE WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS ABOUT. I CURRENTLY HAVE THE CIVIL DIVISION DOING A RESEARCH PROJECT ON EVERY STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR A BOND. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I PUT THAT OUT YESTERDAY. CRAIG AGREED TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN OVERCOME. SO I DON'T HAVE TO BOND. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BOND IT. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP TAKING CASH JUST BECAUSE I'M THE GUY THAT'S PUSHING BACK AGAINST SOCIETY, GOING CASHLESS. SO JUDGE, ONCE AGAIN, YOU AND I AGREE, BUT MAYBE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY ON THAT DOLLAR BILL, LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. YEAH. AND I AGREE. WE IF PEOPLE WANT TO SHOW UP WITH CASH, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW UP WITH CASH. I AGREE, I AGREE, CONSTABLE CHANEY. THANK YOU SIR.

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AND IF Y'ALL HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I HAVE MY CHIEF DEPUTY AND MY AND OUR PAYROLL COORDINATOR HERE. IF Y'ALL GET INTO SOME WEEDS THAT I MAY NOT HAVE THE THE TECHNICAL SAVVY TO ANSWER, I'VE GOT THOSE FOLKS AVAILABLE. SO HERE WE GO AGAIN. THANK YOU, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. I'VE GOT THREE PARTS OF MY BUDGET REQUEST THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER TO OUR PERSONNEL REQUESTS. AND ONE IS BASICALLY AN OFFICE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT REQUEST. AND ALL THREE OF THESE GO TOGETHER. THERE'S KIND OF A RUNNING THEME.

SO FIRST, THE PERSONNEL FOR PERSONNEL REQUESTS. FIRST, SOME BACKGROUND. FOR OVER 15 YEARS, MY DEPARTMENT HAS MAINTAINED A HEADCOUNT OF FIVE ONE TREASURER AND A STAFF OF FOUR IN OVER 15 YEARS. I HAVE NEVER REQUESTED NEW EMPLOYEES IN THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT, EVEN AS THE COUNTY HAS GROWN IN THE BUDGET AND THE NUMBER OF COUNTY EMPLOYEES HAVE GROWN, AND THE COMMENSURATE WORKLOAD IN MY DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN, MY DEPARTMENT HAS STAYED SMALL. WE HAVE SCALED WITH TECHNOLOGY AND EFFICIENCIES AND MOST OF ALL WITH QUALITY EMPLOYEES WITH EXPERIENCE DOING THE WORK. I AVERAGE ABOUT ONE EMPLOYEE TURNOVER EVERY FOUR YEARS. OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, THE. FOR TREASURER, STAFF MEMBERS CURRENTLY ALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 15 YEARS. FINANCE, ACCOUNTING OR BANKING EXPERIENCE, AND SEVERAL HAVE MUCH MORE THAN THAT. SO THAT'S THE HISTORY. THE FIRST REQUEST, THE CURRENT PAYROLL COORDINATOR POSITION, CURRENTLY HELD BY ERICA KNICKERBOCKER, IS TECHNICALLY LISTED AS AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, GRADE SIX. I AM REQUESTING THAT POSITION BE UPGRADED WITH THE TITLE OF PAYROLL MANAGER. WITH A COMMENSURATE INCREASE IN GRADE AND SALARY, IDEALLY ONE RANGE UNDER THE CHIEF DEPUTY, THE POSITION OF PAYROLL COORDINATOR HAS GROWN MUCH IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, WITH RESPONSIBILITIES BALLOONING AMONG THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR POSITION.

RESPONSIBILITIES ARE ESTIMATING PERSONNEL COSTS DURING THE ANNUAL BUDGET PREPARATIONS.

REMITTING PREMIUMS FOR EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, ANNUAL FORM, W-2 PREPARATIONS, STATE AND COUNTY ACCRUALS PROCESSING. ALL OF THE JANUARY 1ST EMPLOYEE BENEFIT CHANGES, WORKER'S COMP ESTIMATES AND FILINGS, UNEMPLOYMENT FILINGS, ANNUAL LONGEVITY PAYMENTS. SENATE BILL 22 CALCULATIONS, ELECTION WORKER PAYROLL PROCESSING ALL OF THE EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL CHANGE NOTICES WHEN THERE'S A NEW HIRE OR A CHANGE. ADDITIONALLY, ASSISTING INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH MANY, MANY PERSONNEL ESTIMATE REQUESTS THAT COME TO MY OFFICE ALSO ANSWERING MANY OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS AND ON AND ON AND ALL THAT STUFF I JUST LISTED. THAT'S ALL THE EXTRA STUFF. THE CORE JOB OF THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR IS PROCESSING PAYROLL EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S THE CORE FUNCTION.

THIS POSITION HAS GROWN INTO A COUNTY ASSET, NOT SIMPLY AS AN ASSISTANT TREASURER IN MY STAFF, AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY A COUNTY ASSET. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT DURING THE BUDGET PREPARATION. SO TO RECAP, FOR THE CURRENT PAYROLL COORDINATOR, I AM REQUESTING THIS POSITION BE UPGRADED WITH THE TITLE OF PAYROLL MANAGER. WITH A COMMENSURATE INCREASE IN GRADE AND SALARY AS LISTED IN THE BUDGET REQUEST. I. CAN I INTERRUPT YOU THE QUESTION? YES, COMMISSIONER. THANKS. DO YOU HAVE A POSITION OF PAYROLL MANAGER CURRENTLY, NO. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE WOULD NOW BE TWO PAYROLL MANAGERS. CORRECT. OKAY. THIS IS YOU'RE

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU JUDGE. SO AGAIN, THAT FIRST REQUEST IS TO INCREASE THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR'S SALARY AND GRADE. THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO ADD A NEW POSITION, A BRAND NEW POSITION AS A PAYROLL ASSISTANT. CURRENTLY, ERICA, OUR PAYROLL COORDINATOR. THE ANALOGY I'VE USED BEFORE, IF YOU THINK BACK ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THIS IS THE ANALOGY I USE. ERICA AS OUR PAYROLL COORDINATOR IS FLYING A $1.2 MILLION PLANE EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE PAYROLL COST THAT Y'ALL APPROVE AT YOUR COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETINGS EVERY TWO WEEKS. ERICA IS IN THE PILOT SEAT. THE PLANE HAS DOUBLED IN SIZE, BUT WE STILL ONLY HAVE ONE PILOT. THE PLANE IS GROWN, AND NOW IT NEEDS A COPILOT. OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IS OUR GROUND OPERATIONS AND FLIGHT REGISTRATIONS AND BOOKINGS. THE AUDITOR IS OUR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER. WE'RE A TEAM. WE ALL WORK TOGETHER. ERICA IS NOT FLYING BLIND. WHEN SHE'S PROCESSING $1.2 MILLION. SHE HAS HELP. HOWEVER, SHE'S THE ONLY ONE IN THE COCKPIT. SHE'S THE ONLY ONE FLYING THE PLANE. AND WE NEED A NEW FULL TIME COPILOT TO HELP HER. CURRENTLY, THE TREASURER. CHIEF DEPUTY BACKS UP ERICA WHEN SHE'S OUT, WHEN SHE'S SWAMPED, WHEN SHE'S UNAVAILABLE. HOWEVER, THE CHIEF DEPUTY HAS HER OWN PLANE TO FLY, ADDING A PAYROLL ASSISTANT WILL NOT ONLY HELP BALANCE THE WORKLOAD IN MY DEPARTMENT, IT WILL BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE COUNTY. SO AGAIN, MY SECOND REQUEST IS TO ADD A NEW POSITION AS A PAYROLL ASSISTANT

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ALL FURNITURE IN OUR OFFICE IS SCROUNGED SURPLUS HAND-ME-DOWNS. NONE OF IT IS NEW FOR EITHER MY STAFF OR MYSELF. MY CLERKS FURNITURE IS HAND-ME-DOWN FURNITURE. AGAIN. IT'S 14 YEARS AGO WE SCROUNGED IT FROM THE COUNTY CLERK. WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE BIG COURTHOUSE. IT WAS OLD 14 YEARS AGO WHEN WE GOT IT. SHOULD THE COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVE THE PAYROLL ASSISTANT POSITION, THAT WOULD NECESSARILY NECESSITATE A NEW SET OF FURNITURE FOR THAT EMPLOYEE. ADDITIONALLY, AND RECENTLY AND UNEXPECTEDLY, ONE CUBICLE IN MY DEPARTMENT WAS RUINED IN THE RECENT FLOOD AND HAS ALREADY BEEN HAULED AWAY. SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE THREE SETS OF EXISTING FURNITURE FOR MY FOUR STAFF MEMBERS, AND ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS IS CURRENTLY USING A CAFETERIA TABLE. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE INSURANCE CLAIM GOES THROUGH AND WE CAN GET NEW FURNITURE. SO WITH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT FACTORS PLAYING IN, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT IS THAT THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL TIME TO BUDGET FOR A FULL SET OF OFFICE FURNITURE FOR ALL FOUR OF MY EXISTING STAFF, AND HOPEFULLY THIS NEW POSITION AS WELL, ONE OF WHICH WOULD LIKELY FALL UNDER AN INSURANCE CLAIM. SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. BUT TO RECAP AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING PAYROLL COORDINATOR AT A PAYROLL ASSISTANT, AND IT'S TIME TO GET SOME NEW FURNITURE. WHAT WE HAVE THERE IS IS STARTING TO LOOK AGED. IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL LOOKING. IT'S IT'S KIND OF HUMOROUS WHEN I SEE IT. I'VE BEEN HAPPY FOR 15 YEARS TO SAY AS A COUNTY TREASURER, YOU WOULD EXPECT ME TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND CONSERVATIVE. WE SCROUNGE EVERYTHING WE HAVE. BUT NOW IT'S TIME. AND I BELIEVE MY STAFF DESERVE SOME QUALITY MODERN EQUIPMENT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IS IT JUST GOING TO BE ME? OKAY, NO, I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO START. I'M GOING TO. YEP. SURE DID. JUMP RIGHT IN. OKAY. FOR THE PAYROLL ASSISTANT.

YEP. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO OUTSIDE OF PAYROLL FOR YOU? SO GREAT QUESTION COMMISSIONER. WE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT JOB DESCRIPTION. THE PAYROLL ASSISTANT WILL PRIMARILY BE LEARNING PAYROLL. AGAIN, THE WEEKS THAT ERIC IS OFF, LIKE SHE'S ACTUALLY OFF THIS WEEK.

THIS IS A VACATION. SHE CAME IN SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS. SO WHILE SHE'S OFF, MARIA'S HAVING TO COVER PAYROLL BECAUSE PAYROLL DOESN'T STOP. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CORE FUNCTION OF THIS PAYROLL ASSISTANT. ADDITIONALLY, AS THE ROOKIE IN MY DEPARTMENT, THEY WILL BE DOING SOME OTHER TASKS AS NEEDED. BANK RUNS, ANSWERING THE PHONE, CLERICAL WORK, LEARNING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE OFFICE. SO IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OF A GENERALIST, BUT IDEALLY A PAYROLL ASSISTANT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE TASKS AND THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT ERIC IS CURRENTLY DOING HAS BALLOONED SO MUCH JUST WITH THE WORKLOAD. SO THIS NEW PERSON WOULD NOT JUST BE PAYROLL, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIST IT AS. AND THAT WOULD BE THE CORE FUNCTION BECAUSE AGAIN, IN MY DEPARTMENT, THE TWO, THE TWO THINGS I SAID ON DAY ONE OVER 15 YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME IN IS WE HAVE HICCUPS. WE ALL HAVE THINGS THAT GO WRONG. Y'ALL SEEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT GO WRONG IN MY DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS, BUT THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A QUESTION, WE CANNOT COMPROMISE IS WE CAN WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HAVE ANY FRAUD OR LOSS OF FUNDS, AND WE CAN NEVER MISS A PAYROLL. AND THE REASON THAT'S SUCH A CRITICAL THING FOR ME AS A PAYROLL IS BECAUSE THE STAFF OF THIS COUNTY APPROACHING 500 PEOPLE, THEY TRADE THEIR EITHER THEIR PHYSICAL LABOR OR THEIR INTELLECTUAL LABOR OR COMBINATION IN THE COUNTY, AS THEIR EMPLOYER OWES IT TO THEM TO HAVE CONSISTENT PAYROLL PROCESSING. SO THEY GET PAID AND KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. IF OTHER THINGS GET GET MISSED HERE AND THERE, WE'LL WORK WITH THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS. SO THAT'S WHY PAYROLL IS SUCH A HUGE TASK RIGHT NOW. AND AGAIN, WHAT I'VE HAD TO DO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS MOVE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TO BACKUP PAYROLL. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A THIRD STAFF MEMBER WHO COULD PROCESS PAYROLL. IF ERICA AND MARIA, SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENED AND THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE. SO WE'RE COVERED. BUT THAT'S KIND

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I GOT HERE MANY TIMES, BUT I JUST WANT TO INVESTIGATE IT. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADP.

I MEAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER REALLY GOOD PROVIDERS OUT THERE. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF, AND IT MAY NOT MEAN THAT WE DON'T NEED THESE POSITIONS STILL EITHER. IT MAY NOT MEAN THAT I JUST I THINK WE COULD MAKE, AGAIN, THE WORKFLOW WORKFLOW MORE EFFICIENT FOR YOUR TEAM, IF WE CAN GO THAT DIRECTION AND FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY NOT HAVING TO FILL OUT TIME CARDS. SURE. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, COMMISSIONER. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING. IT'S JUST LIKE CASH VERSUS DIGITAL. THEY BOTH HAVE BENEFITS. ARE YOU GOING TO IF EVERYTHING'S DIGITAL AND IT'S CASHLESS, YOU'RE NOT NEVER GOING TO HAVE $100 BILL STOLEN, BUT YOU WILL HAVE WIRE FRAUD. SO WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO MANAGE? WE HAVE TIMESHEETS THAT COME IN THAT ARE INCORRECT RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. IF WE HAVE A DIGITAL SYSTEM, WE'LL HAVE DIGITAL RECEIPTS OF TIMEKEEPING THAT WILL BE INCORRECT AND WE'LL HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. SO IT'S CHOOSE YOUR POISON. AND AGAIN, I'VE SEEN NOTHING THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD CHANGE THAT BALANCE SUCH THAT I'M JUST COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY SOLD ON DOING THAT. AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS, POSSIBLY NOT ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT OUR NET DATA, FINANCIAL SOFTWARE IS SOMEWHAT OUTDATED. BUT AGAIN, IT'S THAT 57 CHEVY THAT WORKS. THAT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, FOR ME, I ONLY HAVE TO VERIFY FOUR TIMESHEETS. IT TAKES THEM A MINUTE AND A HALF TO FILL THEM OUT. IT TAKES ME THREE MINUTES TO REVIEW. DONE. LARGER DEPARTMENTS, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE. BUT THEN AGAIN, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE SEEN WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IT'S IT'S MANAGEMENT ISSUE, NOT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT A PAPER TIMESHEET. IT'S MANAGEMENT ISSUES. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH MINE. YOU SAID YOU HEARD YOU KNOW, MY TURNOVERS ON AVERAGE ONE EVERY FOUR YEARS. AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I'M ABLE TO MANAGE THE TIME OF MY FOUR EMPLOYEES. AND WHEN YOU SCALE THAT, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES. BUT DO YOU WANT TO SCALE THAT AND THEN HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MY STAFF HAVING TO GO IN AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ERRORS ARE, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU IF YOU BADGE IN, IT GETS INTO THOSE ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LABOR LAWS, IF YOU BADGE, IF YOUR SHIFT STARTS AT EIGHT, YOU BADGE IT AT 803, NO PROBLEM. BUT IF YOU BADGE IN IT 811 NOW IT'S COUNTING AT 815. OKAY, YOU DIDN'T GET THAT FIRST 15 MINUTES CREDIT. SO WHO'S MANAGING THAT? WHO'S MANAGING THAT? THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO TALK THROUGH. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST IT. IT'S JUST THAT I, I WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A RESPONSIBILITY AS THE COUNTY'S PAYROLL OFFICER TO ENSURE THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE COMPENSATED. WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT WORKS. SOME. SOME WOULD PREFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I'M OPEN, BUT IT WORKS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED FINANCIAL SOFTWARE IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE? NET DATE HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2000 2002.

SO THIS IS THE SAME SOFTWARE THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID AT SOME POINT, OKAY, I

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BUT THE NET DATA DOES HAVE A A. A FURTHER DOWN THE LINE NEW PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH TO. THAT SHOULD BE THE EASY CHANGEOVER. I HAVE NOT I HAVE JUST TOLD THEM, WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTY THAT THE CHANGEOVER WENT WELL, I WILL GO AND VISIT THAT COUNTY. SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE LEFT IT. BUT THE SOFTWARE IS ANTIQUATED. BUT IT DOES WHAT WE NEED TO DO. ALL OF OUR RECORDS ARE IN ORDER AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE, AND I'M. SO I'VE NOT MADE THE BIG LEAP TO COMING TO YOU FOR 1 MILLION OR $2 MILLION. YEAH. NO, BUT YOU HAVEN'T MADE THE GOOD LEAP BECAUSE YOU'VE ALSO INVESTIGATED IT. I'M JUST SAYING, TO BE FAIR, YOU'VE TALKED TO OTHER AUDITORS, YOU'VE SEEN THE SWITCHOVER. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE SITTING HERE GOING, I REFUSE TO CHANGE. YOU JUST HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY BETTER, EVEN THOUGH OURS IS ANTIQUATED. I JUST WANT TO I JUST THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, JUROR PAY THERE. THERE'S WE STILL HAVE TO TYPE IN EVERY SINGLE JUROR CHECK. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THERE'S, THERE'S EFFICIENCIES TO BE GAINED. RIGHT. AND I IMAGINE AT SOME POINT THAT DATA IS GOING TO SAY, GUESS WHAT? THE FAMOUS LINE WE NO LONGER SUPPORT EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH A NEW PRODUCT. SO I JUST WANT US TO BE PREPARED THAT CHANGE IS COMING. CHANGE IS NEVER FUN. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE EVER GOING TO FIND SOMEONE WHEN YOU CALL THAT SAYS, HOORAY FOR CHANGE, BECAUSE CHANGE IS REALLY HARD, ESPECIALLY AT THIS LEVEL AND WITH ALL OF THE THINGS BOTH OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS DO. I JUST KNOW CHANGE IS GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO COME SOON. AND WE AND WE NEED TO BE ON THE FOREFRONT OF INVESTIGATING WHATEVER THAT CHANGE IS SO THAT WE DON'T GET RUSHED INTO IT.

RIGHT. IS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO US? THERE'S ABOUT 30 COUNTIES, I BELIEVE, IN THE STATE THAT STILL HAVE NET DATA. SO I THINK I MEAN, AT LEAST WE'RE NOT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE THE LAST THREE. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T LET IT GO THAT LONG. BUT YEAH, I'M AWARE THAT IT IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO YOU ALL AND TO THE TREASURER AND I TO, TO GO FORWARD AND BUT. THERE'S A LARGE COST TO THAT KIND OF THING TOO. SO BUT IT IT'S NOT OUT. BOTH OF US SPEAK ON IT FREQUENTLY AND IT'S NOT OUT OF THE IDEA FOR US. WE'RE. WE'VE NOT CLOSED OUR EYES TO THE FACT.

FOR SURE. YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT. MY MIDDLE NAME. HEY, THANKS, I APPRECIATE IT. WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING. I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT, DAVID, AS YOU INVESTIGATE ALL THIS AND TRY AND COME UP WITH NEW SYSTEM AND SUGGESTIONS, KEYING OFF WHAT LISA SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT ONLY THE PROPOSAL FOR THE GREAT NEW SOFTWARE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS, BUT ALSO WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST COMPARED TO HIRING A CLERK, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING A $50,000 PERSON YOU WANT TO DO HERE. AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF GETTING THE LATEST, GREATEST SOFTWARE AT A $75,000 A YEAR FEE IF IT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH A $50,000 A YEAR EMPLOYEE. SO I WANT TO SEE THAT COMPARISON ALSO. JUDGE, CAN I ADD THREE QUICK THINGS BASED ON WHAT LISA SAID AS FAR AS THIS, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL SOFTWARE TO LISA'S CREDIT AND HER STAFF, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, WE HAD DEMOS AND INTERVIEWS WITH 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT COMPANIES WHERE HER STAFF AND MY STAFF WOULD SIT AND LOOK AND ASK AND, AND NONE OF THEM WERE A FIT AT THE TIME. SO THIS IS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW. ADDITIONALLY, WHAT LISA SAID EARLY, WHEN THERE'S A COUNTY THAT HAS ADOPTED SOME TRANSITION, SHE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT IT. I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO BE THE GUINEA PIG BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THAT NEW PLANE THAT HASN'T BEEN PROVED IN. AND THEN Y'ALL

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AND ONE MEMBER OF THE COURT SAYS, WELL, HOW MUCH DID WE PAY SUCH AND SUCH ON ACCOUNT, SUCH AND SUCH THREE FISCAL YEARS AGO? THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW. WE CAN'T ACCESS THAT ANYMORE. SO WE'RE GOING TO TO SOME EXTENT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP SOMETHING WITH THE NET DATA GOING OR JUST UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE UNABLE TO ASK. THAT STUFF SHOULD BE MIGRATED TO THE NEW SYSTEM. IF THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD. IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THEN WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP NET DATA GOING. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT AGAIN, I LIKE LISA. I TALKED TO OTHER TREASURERS AND LOOK AT OUR LIST. SERVE WHO'S DONE THE TRANSITION AND WHERE IS IT SMOOTH AND WHERE IS EVERYTHING ACCESSIBLE? THOSE ARE THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. AND BUT AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE PLUGGING. AND AGAIN, I'M OPEN MINDED ON ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S JUST AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MANAGE VERSUS WHAT WORKS RIGHT NOW? SO I HAVE QUESTIONS. YES. THE SOFTWARE. NET NET DATA. THIS IS SOFTWARE WE CURRENTLY HAVE. YES, SIR.

THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE OR AN UPGRADE. WHAT ARE WE THE $32,000. I'M LOOKING AT FINANCIAL SYSTEM SOFTWARE. OH YEAH. THAT'S OUR ANNUAL. WE SPLIT IT BETWEEN BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND IT PAYS FOR THE CLOUD AND, AND ALL OF THE, THE WHATEVER YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THEY SAY IT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAINTENANCE AND CONTINUE THAT ONE OFF. YEAH. THAT'S PART OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT'S SHARED BETWEEN MY DEPARTMENT AND THE AUDITOR.

OKAY. NO WONDER YOU WERE SKIPPING OVER IT. I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S 32000.

SO THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR YOU. REAL VISION IMAGING. WHAT'S WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. SO THAT'S THE VI. THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING THAT THE TREASURER AND THE AUDITOR DO GET SCANNED IN. IF THEY MAKE A RECEIPT, IT'S SCANNED. IF WE MAKE A CHECK, IT'S SCANNED. SO SO THAT'S STORAGE OF THE DIGITAL IMAGE. SO WHEN YOU ASK SOMETHING ABOUT HOW IT WAS PAID, WE CAN PULL IT UP AND SAY ACTUALLY SEE IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE TREASURER. THANK YOU, MR. PEAKE. THANK YOU JUDGE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. RIGHT, JUDGE, BEFORE YOU GAVEL US OUT, I THINK WE'RE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK AT ONE RIGHT NOW, 1:00. YES, SIR. ANY CHANCE WE COULD MOVE THAT TO 115? I DON'T SEE ANY REASON AT ALL THAT WOULD ALLOW ME TO GO TO ROTARY, WHICH I'D LIKE TO DO. YEP. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO THAT, CAMI. WILL YOU LET BARRY KNOW? WE BUMPED HIM TO 115 AND HE'LL HAVE TO CANCEL HIS NAIL APPOINTMENT. SO ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, IT'S 115. WE WILL RESTART OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. WE HAVE MR. BARRY COMPTON OF MAINTENANCE AND FACILITY OPERATIONS HERE. TAKE IT AWAY, BARRY. ALL RIGHT. I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS WANT TO START AT THE TOP AND GO THROUGH. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ARE IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME THING AS LAST YEAR. AND IT'S IT MADE SENSE LAST YEAR, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO. ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT. OKAY. LET'S LET'S TAKE A DIVE INTO IT. SO STARTING AT THE ACTUAL LINE ITEMS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHEET THAT IS IN YOUR BOOKS, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS WITH THE PREVIOUS YEARS RUNNING, WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A FEW INCREASES, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THINGS ARE GOING UP. SO A SLIGHT INCREASE IN GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE AND SHOP SUPPLIES. WE'RE HOLDING THE LINE ON THE NEXT FEW ITEMS. THE ANNEX. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THESE STARTING AT 55438. THOSE ARE WHERE YOUR DAILY REPAIRS COME FROM. FOR EACH FACILITY, THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR EACH FACILITY. AND SO MOST OF THESE THINGS, SOME BUILT IN THERE, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ROUTINE INSPECTIONS, ANNUAL INSPECTIONS THAT ARE BUILT IN THERE. BUT A LOT OF THAT IS JUST THE DAY TO DAY OF KEEPING BUILDINGS RUNNING. SO THE OBVIOUSLY, YOUR BIGGEST ONE IS GOING TO BE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT

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YEAH. THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS THIS YEAR THEY THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE BROKE THOSE OUT IN A SPREADSHEET. I WILL HIT THOSE AFTER AFTER WE GO THROUGH HERE. UNLESS YOU WANT TO JUMP TO THEM. NO NO NO NO NO NO. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A BLANK. YEAH. SO PRETTY MUCH HOLDING THE LINE AFTER THAT, EXCEPT FOR UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES. THAT'S GOING TO BE MAJOR REPAIRS THAT COME UP THAT WE JUST YOU'RE ANTICIPATING MORE UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES. I AM ANTICIPATING MORE UNANTICIPATED. THAT'S MY ANTICIPATION. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON THE BASIC BUDGET, RIGHT? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS NOW LET'S, LET'S GO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL OUTLAY. I WAS LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I COULD SEE THE WHEELS TURNING. SO I WAS JUST. I'LL JUST WAIT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE CAPITAL OUTLAY.

NOW I WOULD LIKE TO. NOW WE GOT SOME NEW ONES THIS MORNING. CAN WE GET RID OF THE OLD ONES? SOME NEW PAGES. GOT SOME NEW PAGES. YEAH, I THINK YOU CAN. A BUNCH OF NEW PAGES THIS MORNING.

YEAH I THINK YEAH. YES, SIR. AS WE START ASKING FOR THESE THINGS, THEY START TRICKLING IN AROUND THIS TIME OF YEAR. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS IN TIME. THESE FIRST ITEMS HERE ARE LOW, LOW COST ITEMS ON HERE THAT ARE TOOLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IN TAKING CARE OF FACILITIES, NOT THE PORTABLE AIR CONDITIONER. I'LL EXPLAIN. WE KEEP SOME SMALL ROLLING ONE AND A HALF TON AIR CONDITIONERS ON HAND, REALLY TO TRY TO MAKE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, NOT EMERGENCIES, JUST BY HAVING SOMETHING THAT WE ROLL IN AND GET BY UNTIL WE MAKE THE REPAIR. WHATEVER PART WE'RE WAITING, WAITING ON WITH, WITH THE ADDITION OF SPACE, I'M JUST ADDING ASKING TO ADD ONE TO OUR. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE USED THAT IN A SERVER AREA THAT THAT LITERALLY WE COULDN'T LET OVERHEAT AND, AND THAT IS WHERE SOME OF THESE ARE DEDICATED NOW TO SERVER ROOMS WHERE THEY'RE SET A FEW DEGREES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE RUN. THE ROOM BUYS US A LOT OF TIME. AFTER THAT, WE GET INTO ITEMS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THE FLEET TECHNICIAN. SO JUST KEEP IN MIND FROM TWO POST LIFT DOWN OTHER THAN TWO LAPTOPS AND TWO DESKTOPS, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT BELONG TO AN ADDITIONAL PERSON THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. IF YOU REMOVE THOSE ITEMS, THE TOTAL FOR CAPITAL OUTLAY WOULD BE 16,630. THOSE. I'M NOT SEEING THE THE PRICE ON THE POST TWO POST. IT'S NOT THERE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT CAPITAL OUTLAY, BUT THE TWO POST CAPITAL OUTLAY THE HOLD ON, HOLD ON. SO I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF THAT. DID YOU GET RID OF IT. YEAH. OKAY. YOU'RE GETTING YOU'RE GETTING ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NOW. NO IT'S OKAY. I GOT IT MEMORIZED. WE'RE GOOD. SORRY.

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ABSOLUTELY. LEGITIMATE QUESTION. SHOULD HAVE BEEN, COMMISSIONER, WHAT OTHER PAGES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED WITH THE USUAL JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, SHOULD YOU? I DON'T YEAH, I GUESS, WELL HOLD ON, COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS GETTING THAT PAGE PUT IN FRONT OF HIM NOW. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE PAGE WE WERE ON. OKAY. SO DO WE.

DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THE TWO POSTS LEFT? WE WE BUDGETED IT LAST YEAR AT 145 AND IT'S SOME OTHER ITEMS. I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE UPDATED NUMBER AN HOUR AGO AND DON'T. I'M PUTTING IN MY FORM FOR 2000. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. THAT LEAVES US SOME ROOM FOR SOME ADDITIONAL TOOLS THAT THIS PERSON WOULD USE. AND THIS IS THE TECH AND THE LIFT. CORRECT. AND ALL THE STUFF WE ASKED FOR LAST BUDGET. AND I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER TOLD YOU IT WAS IN MY FIRST DRAFT, RIGHT UP UNTIL IT WASN'T FIVE MINUTES BEFORE. AND THEN THEN IT WASN'T. SO. SO CAN I ASK YOU JUST A COUPLE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? LAST YEAR WE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF VACUUMS. WE WE DO EVERY YEAR. WE'RE JUST ROLLING THE OLD ONES OUT. SO THESE ARE VACUUMS THAT ARE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. SO WE HAD TWO LAST YEAR BUYING THREE THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE PORTABLE AIR CONDITIONER, DO WE HAVE. SO I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW, ESPECIALLY IN THAT STINKING SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE MDF ROOM OR WHATEVER. OH, THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE THING. IS THIS ONE GOING TO BE JUST IN YOUR SHOP? YES. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AS NECESSARY. CORRECT. SO THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY SERVERS, ROOMS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT? PUTTING ONE OF THESE IN? MOST OF THE SERVER ROOMS THAT I'VE CONSIDERED THAT IN, IT'S A ROOM ISSUE. IT'S THE AMOUNT OF SPACE AND HOW WE WOULD DO IT. OKAY. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING SMALLER THAT WOULDN'T BE A CAPITAL EXPENSE. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE IF IT HAPPENED, WE WOULD AT LEAST HAVE ONE. YOU CAN ROLL IN THERE, WE MIGHT OPEN, WE MIGHT PROP THE DOOR OPEN AND SET THIS OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND SHOVE AIR IN THERE IN THAT SCENARIO. SO BUT ALL OF THIS ASSUMES WE'RE GOING WITH THIS NEW EMPLOYEE FOR THE FLEET TECH, RIGHT? CORRECT. WHICH AND MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW. RIGHT. AND I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH BOBBY ABOUT THIS FOR JUST A MINUTE. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ROOM TO DO IT. AND YOU YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, SO IT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY. THERE'S THE POINT OF ALL THIS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND I HAVE I HAVE DONE SOME NUMBERS ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE TO NOW OR THAT'S UP TO THE JUDGE. YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO, TO MOVE TO THAT SO WE CAN. OKAY, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ON A NEW EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL REQUEST FORM WHERE WE TITLED THIS PERSON AS A FLEET TECHNICIAN WITH THEIR PROPOSED PAY GRADE OF NINE. DON'T RIP THAT SHEET. OH, I, I HAD, I DIDN'T, I WAS OKAY, THANK YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WARNING. WELL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST MAKE THIS A STANDARD WARNING AS WE GO FORWARD THE REST OF OUR RELATIONSHIP. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I CAN I CAN DO THAT. SO HERE WE'VE PRESENTED THE COST. HR GAVE ME A LOADED NUMBER OF THIS PERSON BRINGING

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OKAY. FOR ALL THE SHERIFF'S VEHICLES, SHERIFF'S VEHICLES AND ANY OTHER COUNTY VEHICLES.

CORRECT? CORRECT. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THOSE VEHICLES IS? IT'S 153154 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, ONE GUY KEEP UP WITH IT. I DO BELIEVE SO. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THESE VEHICLES DON'T GET DRIVEN ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE HAVING QUARTERLY OIL CHANGES. IT'S LIKE ONCE A YEAR, THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS GOING TO BE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THINGS TAKE PLACE. OUR IDEA IS THAT THIS IS A SCHEDULED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. NOW, WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP OR ISN'T THERE ON THEIR SCHEDULED DAY, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT IT DOWN THE LINE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE SHOWING UP AND WAITING? IS THERE? YOU KNOW, WHAT PROBLEMS DO WE CREATE THERE? THE OTHER ISSUE WOULD BE. WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC SERVICES THAT RIGHT NOW ARE PROVIDED AT ONE VENDOR. SO YOU MAY TAKE YOUR CRUISER IN TO GET AN OIL CHANGE. AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE, YOU GET FOUR TIRES AND YOU GET AN ALIGNMENT AND YOU GET YOUR EMISSIONS INSPECTION. WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO TIRES RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALIGNMENTS RIGHT NOW EITHER. SO THE OTHER POTENTIAL PROBLEM IS THAT WE CHANGE YOUR OIL AND THEN TELL YOU, HEY, NOW YOU GOT TO GO TO THE TIRE SHOP. SO DOES THAT CAUSE MORE HEADACHE FOR THE END USER? AND DOES IT TAKE MORE TIME? IT'S IT'S HARD FOR ME TO QUANTIFY THAT. I THINK THE SAVINGS IS WORTH WHAT THAT IS GOING TO PRODUCE. DOING SOME SHOPPING AROUND AND STAYING ON TOP OF WHAT PRICES ARE. I THINK WE WILL SAVE 57% ON OUR OIL CHANGES. AND THAT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THIS PERSON IS GETTING PAID. SO YOU'RE USUALLY BILLING A HALF AN HOUR OF WORK SHOP RATE ON AN OIL CHANGE THAT'S TAKING IN A HALF HOUR. AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW IS AROUND $95 FOR STANDARD OIL CHANGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT FOR 57% LESS BATTERY CHANGE OUTS. MY CALCULATIONS IS GOING TO BE A 31% SAVINGS INSPECTIONS. I MEAN, ONCE WE BUY THE MACHINE, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THOSE ANYMORE.

WE'RE JUST DOING THEM. AND BREAKS IS ABOUT A 23% SAVINGS. SO RECORDS THAT WERE EASY TO OBTAIN FOR ME WITHIN THE TRACKING SOFTWARE, I MEAN, JUST, JUST WITH AN EARLY LOOK, IT WAS AN VERY CONSERVATIVE $10,000 IN SAVINGS, INCLUDING THE FULLY LOADED EMPLOYEE. CORRECT.

AWESOME. CORRECT. GREAT. SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THE COST OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT PERSON TO USE. SO ABOUT YEAR TWO, I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD PAY FOR OUR EQUIPMENT, RIGHT. BUT THE EQUIPMENT'S THE LONG TERM FIXED, CORRECT? CORRECT. I JUST I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM LIKE THAT WAS ALL COVERED. AND THEN WE COME BACK AND SAY, WOW, THAT COST A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WE DID. AND WE THOUGHT SO. THE OTHER CONCERN IS, CAN THIS PERSON LINE UP ALL THEIR WORK AND DO ALL OF THEIR WORK? AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRACK THIS WORK, WE HAVE TO KEEP THESE RECORDS. IF WE GO BY 55 GALLONS OF OIL AND HAVE IT SITTING ON THE SHELF ON THE AUDITOR'S SIDE, WE'VE PAID FOR THE OIL. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE AUDITOR IN TWO MONTHS AND SAY, YEP, WE'RE READY FOR ANOTHER 55 GALLONS, SHE'S GOING TO SAY, WHERE'D IT GO? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRACK EVERY COURT OF OIL COMING OUT OF THAT BARREL TO THE VEHICLE. AND WE NEED TO ANYWAY, EVEN IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EXPENSE WISE TO OUR TO OUR

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THEY'RE NOT SEEING IF THE TIRES CAN LAST TEN, 000 MORE MILES, THEY'RE GOING TO THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I DON'T LIKE THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I DON'T LIKE IT. OR IF THEY WANT SOME WORK DONE, I NEED AN ALIGNMENT. WELL, DO YOU REALLY NEED AN ALIGNMENT? I KNOW WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE YET, BUT TIRES, WE HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DO THEM. IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT HOW THE INVENTORY IS GOING TO WORK ON TIRES. LIKE MOST OF THE SHERIFF'S VEHICLES HAVE THE SAME KIND OF TIRES, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP A FEW SETS OF THOSE AND EVENTUALLY DO TIRES THAT NONE OF THAT STUFF'S IN HERE IN THIS BUDGET, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE MORE THAT WE CONTROL INTERNALLY ON THIS STUFF, THE BETTER COST SAVINGS WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE. AND WE'RE NOT. I JUST DON'T AS WE'RE KIND OF STANDING UP THIS FLEET DEPARTMENT, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST GOING, YOU KNOW, WILLY NILLY ALL OVER WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO BECAUSE THOSE VENDORS ARE GOING TO THEY WANT TO MAKE SALES. AND WE WANT TO PROTECT COST. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY ANYTHING THERE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER STACEY HAS ALLUDED TO THAT'S KIND OF EVOLVING INTO HOW IT'S PAID FOR AS FAR AS INSTEAD OF IT BEING EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS A A MAINTENANCE BUDGET, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO EVEN IF WE HAD THIS PERSON, IF IT'S AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT BRINGS THEIR VEHICLE IN AND THEY'RE, I'M GOING TO GET TIRES AND I HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE CAN STOP THAT IF IT'S AN UNLESS THOSE FUNDS AREN'T IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, THE VEHICLE IS STILL OWNED BY THE COUNTY. OH, I AGREE, SO WE CAN STOP IT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE ALL THIS HARD TIME. WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME HERE AND NOTHING, NOTHING AGAINST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BARRY. BUT WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT WE CAN'T MAKE ELECTED OFFICIALS DO ANYTHING. WELL, WE STILL OWN THE ASSETS SO WE CAN CONTROL WHAT THE ASSET DOES AND HOW THE ASSET IS MANAGED. AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MOVE CERTAIN THINGS INTO THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT, LIKE FLEETS, LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE GRABBING WHATEVER THEY WANT INSTEAD OF US HAVING A CENTRALIZED SYSTEM TO MANAGE THINGS PROPERLY THE WAY THAT WE REALLY SHOULD, AND FINANCIALLY TRACK AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT TRENDS OVER TIME AND FORECAST BETTER AND BUDGET BETTER. WE JUST HAVE TO. IT'S JUST MOVING FROM SMALL RURAL COMMUNITY TO MID-SIZED COUNTY, AND WE HAVE TO START TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE THINGS FOR THE FUTURE.

AND PART OF THAT IS TELLING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT YOU DON'T OWN YOU DON'T OWN THIS TAHOE.

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AND I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE ABILITY FOR US TO GO GET LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, ACTUALLY HAVE THEM GET IN A DIFFERENT VEHICLE, US SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO COME GET YOUR VEHICLE ON THIS DAY. AND THEN US COME AND CHANGE THE OIL, TAKE IT BACK, AND THEN PUT IT BACK IN, PUT IT BACK IN SERVICE. I, I DON'T KNOW, WE IT'S I DON'T RECALL, I'M I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. OR THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF SCHEDULING AS WELL. AND. IF THEY HAVE THE VEHICLES TO DO THAT, THE I THINK THAT I WOULD WANT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FLEET MANAGER TO WEIGH IN ON ON THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT IN THEIR VEHICLES. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO MOVE OVER AND, AND HAND THE KEYS TO. RIGHT. SOMEBODY. NOW I GET THAT, I GET THAT, BUT WE CAN SCHEDULE AND YES, WITH WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. I MEAN, THEY SPEND SO MUCH TIME JUST IDLING. SO IT'S ALMOST THERE SHOULD BE SCHEDULED BY HOURS IN LIEU OF MILEAGE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. YOU GET A ONE OF THOSE, HEY, IT'S ONLY GOT 5000 MILES. WELL, BUT IT'S BEEN SITTING, YOU KNOW, 18 HOURS A DAY IDLING IN THE HEAT. SO IT PROBABLY NEEDS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. YES, SIR. I WAS GOING TO TO ASK ON ON THE KIND OF THE VISION. OKAY. SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO TALK THROUGH IT WITH BOBBY AND YOU JUST KIND OF HOW YOU SEE IT. SO WE HAVE THE SERVICES BUILDING. IS THERE. DO YOU HAVE A REPAIR TO THE SERVICES BUILDING? IS THAT CONTINGENT UPON FLEET? THERE'S LIKE A GARAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING AT THE SERVICES BUILDING. I KNOW THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MAYBE I, MAYBE I THERE'S ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY THREE DOORS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, NOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICES BUILDING. SO THERE'S NOTHING. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. SO WE, WE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE GO THIS ROUTE, WE GRAB THIS FLEET TECHNICIAN AND THEN WHERE, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET IT SO THAT WE ARE MANAGING THE TIRES, THAT WE ARE MANAGING SOME OF THESE REALLY, REALLY KNOWN MAINTENANCE THINGS THAT OTHER THAN HAVING LIKE AN ENGINE SHOP, WE'RE DOING IT. DO WE HAVE, NUMBER ONE, THE CAPACITY AT THE SERVICES BUILDING TO DO THAT? WOULD THAT TAKE AN ADMINISTRATOR AND TWO TECHNICIANS? DOES THAT TAKE THREE TECHNICIANS? A LOT MORE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY. CAN WE DO WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN STORE A BUNCH OF TIRES? I DON'T WANT LISA TO JUST HANG ON FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT MAKES HER NERVOUS. OF COURSE. BUT BUT AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE EVEN HAVE THE HARD FACILITIES TO, TO DO THESE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO? AND WHAT WOULD THAT KIND OF TAKE? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TRIP, LET'S TAKE IT TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN YEAR ONE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IN YEAR TWO. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO SEE. THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO SEE IT TRENDING. LIKE, I JUST WANT A GOOD PLAN. SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT PHYSICAL SPACE, NOTHING ELSE, NO BUDGETING OR ANYTHING. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DO THIS? PHYSICAL SPACE IS GOING TO BE CONTINGENT ON MOVING SOME STORAGE. AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SIMPLE FIXES. YOU KNOW, FOR TIRES, I WOULD MOST LIKELY LOOK FOR A CONEX THAT STORED ON SITE AND TOTALLY SEALED UP FOR A LOT OF ITEMS THAT. DON'T REQUIRE MUCH CLIMATE CONTROL, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO FOR STORAGE. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SPACE IN THE BUILDING. WE MIGHT HAVE TO REPURPOSE SOME SPACE THAT CURRENTLY HAS SHELVES AND OPEN STORAGE IN IT, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD REQUIRE A SECOND TECHNICIAN. THE ALIGNMENT IS GOING TO BE A FOUR POST LIFT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SPACE AND AND HAVE SOME COMPUTERIZED EQUIPMENT WITH IT. IT'S I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE BAY. AND SO AS IS THE OTHER ONE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TWO PEOPLE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON SUPPORTING IT TO TRACK IT. AT

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IT'S THAT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN, I'M MORE I THINK I'M MORE CONCERNED JUST WITH THE GENERAL AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT JUST THE GENERAL, HOW WE'RE HOW WE'RE OPERATING IT AND PRESENTING IT AT BUDGET TIME AND HOW IT'S HOW IT'S BEING VIEWED DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA MAYBE, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, I'M SURE IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA, MAYBE, BUT JUST DIFFERENT. AND YEAH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED. I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS. I THINK WE START WHERE WE CAN START TIRES. WE DON'T YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THEY BOUGHT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PURCHASE A BUNCH OF TIRES BECAUSE YOU CAN GET THEM OVERNIGHT. YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT IN AN ORDER AND YOU HAVE THEM THE NEXT DAY TYPICALLY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THESE TIRE SHOPS DO. I THINK IT WAS SEVERAL SETS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I SIGN OFF ON THE INVENTORY AUDIT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STILL 1 OR 2 OUT OF THE NINE THAT ARE LINGERING, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I THINK HAVING A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THEM WOULD BE AWESOME. BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THEY CHOSE ONE SHOP AND MAYBE NOT ALL THEIR GUYS GO TO THAT ONE SHOP. SO. EXACTLY. YEAH, PROBABLY PART OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. YEAH. BUT AND THEN AND THEN MY KIND OF FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS I'M TRYING TO, TO VISUALIZE THIS. THAT'S AS FAR AS WE REALLY WANT TO GO, I GUESS WOULD BE MY POINT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT NEXT LEAP NECESSARILY. LIKE THAT'S NOT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW TO TAKE THAT NEXT LEAP AND START DOING ENGINE OVERHAULS OR WHATEVER THAT KIND OF STUFF IS. I REALLY I MEAN, THAT IS NOT THE IF YOU'RE REPLACING YOUR VEHICLES, THAT WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT THOSE THINGS EVEN COME ABOUT. I KNOW THAT IT DOES HAPPEN. BUT IF IF WE'RE MOVING VEHICLES OUT WHILE WE HAVE THE DRIVETRAIN WARRANTY, YOU'RE SKIPPING THAT OTHER. I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE OCCASIONS THAT THAT IT COMES UP. BUT AND I THINK THAT IS THE PLAN, ISN'T IT? YEAH. WE'VE TRIED FOR THREE YEARS TO GET US ON THAT PLAN.

BARRY'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN CAPTAIN BROWN. AND THEN WE'VE TURNED THAT OVER TO BOBBY AND THE TEAM. BUT THAT'S WHAT CLIFF AND I STARTED TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE IS, I MEAN, WE GOT RID OF SOME OLD VEHICLES AND STILL ASKED TO. THERE'S JUST SOME TIMES IT'S JUST LIKE A CUSTODIAL VEHICLE THAT WE RECENTLY DISCUSSED THAT GETS DRIVEN 5 OR 7 MILES. IT'S INSTRUMENTAL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM DRIVING THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IS DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO SPEND $30,000 TO REPLACE THAT? NO. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE ARE SOME ONE OFFS, BUT LIKE IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU WOULDN'T YOU JUST WOULDN'T FIX IT. YOU WOULD JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'RE WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. WE DID IT. WE WROTE IT IN THE GROUND. AND, AND THEN WHEN THEY ROTATE A CAR OUT, YOU FIND A WAY TO ROTATE A CAR IN. YEAH. NO, I'M, I'M WITH YOU THERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO SEE. AND LIKE, WHERE COULD WE, COULD WE SUPPORT THE FACILITIES? CAN THE FACILITIES SUPPORT THE PLAN? OR ARE WE TALKING OURSELVES INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE FACILITIES CAN'T SUPPORT THE PLAN? THAT'S THE MORE THE MENTAL EXERCISE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO, BECAUSE I WOULD REALLY HATE TO START DOWN ON A PATH AND THEN HAVE BARRY COME BACK AND BE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ALIGNMENT SHOP. I CAN'T

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IF YOU'RE ADDING AN ADMIN ASSISTANT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OVERSTAFFED. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF THINGS TO DO ON THE FACILITY SIDE AS WELL BECAUSE THEY WILL BE WORKING FOR YOU. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, GOOD. BECAUSE THAT THAT WAS MY FEAR. AND UNDERSTAND YOUR WANTING TO HEAD THAT DIRECTION. BUT IF WE OVER STAFF IT AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY YOUR JOB IS AT THIS LEVEL. WELL, AS WE JUST HEARD FROM BUDGETING, THAT BECOMES THE DEFAULT SETTING AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR NEW STAFF.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORK, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR ADMIN. DO YOU HAVE AN ADMIN RIGHT NOW? NO, WE DO NOT. DO YOU NEED AN ADMIN? IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS AS WE START, AS WE'VE ADDED INTO FACILITY RENTALS, IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE A FLEET TECHNICIAN OR AN ADMIN FLEET TECHNICIAN WOULD BE WHAT I THINK WE WOULD CHOOSE. WELL, AND I'LL TELL YOU, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO PROCEED WITH THIS. AND, BUT I THINK LET'S START WITH THE FLEET TECHNICIAN.

LET'S NOT ADD AN ADMIN RIGHT NOW AND SEE HOW IT GOES, BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WHAT IS IT YOUR THE WORK EXPANDS TO FILL THE TIME AVAILABLE AND. IT'S BETTER TO BE A LITTLE TIGHT AND ADD PEOPLE WHEN YOU NEED THEM, IN MY OPINION, THAN BE OVERSTAFFED AND THEY'LL BE. THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE WAY HUMAN NATURE. IT'S NOT SPEAKING NEGATIVELY AGAINST ANYONE. IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE. YEAH. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO ON THAT, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT AND HAVE A CLEAR, I THINK, INDICATION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS DEPARTMENT, WE ASKED FOR A TWO POST LIFT. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT OF ASKING FOR A FOUR POST NOW LOOKING TO THE FUTURE IN LIEU OF OR IN ADDITION TO? YEAH, I WOULD NOT GO THAT WAY FOR OIL CHANGES. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF IN THE WEEDS ON HOW THE FUNCTIONALITY WORKS. BUT I THINK FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, THE TWO POST, THE TWO POST IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. WHEN YOU GO TO THE FOUR POST, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THE TIRES. AND, AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A PIT, THIS IS TAKING THE PLACE OF IT AT A, YOU KNOW, MUCH CHEAPER PRICE. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. MAY I ASK A QUESTION, JUDGE? YES, MA'AM. ARE THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? I JUST KNOW, YES. OKAY. AND THEY'RE INCLUDED. WE PRICED WASTE OIL AND WE'RE ALSO THIS ALSO INCLUDES HAVING A A BARREL THAT WOULD BE PICKED UP FOR ALL OF OUR DISCARDED FILTERS. I REMEMBER WHEN THE COUNTY SOLD THE ORIGINAL ANNEX. IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN A MECHANIC SHOP, AND THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF REMEDIATION. YEAH, THAT WE HAD TO DO, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T

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THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. GOOD. OKAY. I JUST GOTTA SAY THIS THING SAYS DELEGATE SEVEN ON IT.

I FEEL MORE IMPORTANT THAN I'VE EVER FELT JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS DELEGATE ON IT. ALL RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE I'M SORRY TO GIVE YOU THAT FALSE SENSE. I KNOW WE WILL CALL YOU THE DELEGATE FROM WHITMORE. YEAH, I LIKE IT. DOWN THIS LIST. OKAY. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, ACCESS CONTROL TRANSITION FROM A CI TO LOCAL VENDOR AT ANNEX. I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT, SO YES, I MEAN, WELL, MORE FROM MC A THE NEXT TWO, BUT PROBABLY THEY ALL TIE TOGETHER. EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BY TRANSITIONING FROM MC TO LOCAL VENDOR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN MOVING TO GREEN ELECTRONICS. NO SIR, BECAUSE I DON'T. IF WE WERE PAYING $21,000 TO DO TO SAVE $150 A MONTH, I WOULD SAY WE'RE MAKING A BAD DECISION. NO, SIR. OKAY, GOOD. EXPLAIN, PLEASE. SO WHAT WHAT THESE FACILITIES HAVE IS CARD CONTROLLED ACCESS THAT YOU SWIPE YOUR FOB AND AND IT LETS YOU IN. WHEN WE DID THE ANNEX THAT WAS INCLUDED ON WITH THE SYSTEM THAT ALSO DOES THE JAIL AND THE NEW COURTHOUSE. AND THAT HAS PROVED PROBLEMATIC SINCE THEY ARE ALL TIED TOGETHER. ASI IS IN WISCONSIN, SO THAT POSES A PROBLEM FOR US. AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT HAVE BEEN. SOMETIMES THE BUILDING OPENS WHEN IT'S SET TO BE CLOSED. SOMETIMES EVERYTHING JUST QUITS WORKING. WHEN THEY UPDATE ONE, BUILDING IT UP, AND WHEN THEY DO ELECTIONS, THE TAX CLERKS CAN'T GET INTO THE TAX OFFICE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE WHERE THE DOORS DON'T OPEN. THIS IS A BUILDING THAT'S LESS THAN A YEAR OLD. YES IT IS, IT IS. SO IS THERE SOME SORT OF WARRANTY? I MEAN, SOME GENIUS MUST HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE USE. SO IS THERE A WARRANTY OR SOMETHING ON IT? THE WARRANTY IS AT ITS END. WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO GET THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. RIGHT NOW IT'S BETTER THAN IT'S BEEN. IT WAS JUST THE GOAL OF THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE TO GET THESE ON ONE SHARED VENDOR FOR FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND FOR THAT VENDOR TO BE LOCAL. OKAY. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST STEP. AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL A MOMENT AGO, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S SEEMS THAT WE JUST PUT THIS IN ITS BUILDINGS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD, AND WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT JUST DOESN'T NEED TO BE TIED IN WITH THE NEW COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL. AND WHY DOES THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS WHEN THEY UPDATE ONE, THEY'RE UPDATING THEM ALL. WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WORK ON ONE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THEM ALL. WHEN THEY CHANGE A SCHEDULE AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, FOR SOME REASON, IT CHANGES THE SCHEDULE AT THE ANNEX. WHEN. I WISH, I, I WISH I KNEW A REALLY. SO THE EQUIPMENT IS FUNCTIONING. IT'S JUST TOO COMPLICATED. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS TOO COMPLICATED. I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM IN DELINEATING. DELINEATING THE 2 OR 3. TO SAY THAT IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. YES, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY THE WE THINK THE CHANGE WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WE'VE MADE MULTIPLE CALLS TO THESE FOLKS TO. TRY TO MAKE THIS BETTER. THEY WILL SAY IT'S OUR FAULT AND WE WILL SAY THAT IT'S THEIR FAULT. THESE PEOPLE BEING THE PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. DID THEY DESIGN THIS AND TELL US THIS WOULD WORK FOR OUR SYSTEM? SURE. YES, SIR. THEY DID. HAVE WE ASKED CRAIG'S

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AND I CAN SAY, OH, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M WRONG. BUT FROM WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, I'M THINKING AT A MINIMUM, WE HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE DAS OFFICE WRITE A LETTER AND SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU GAVE US SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK AND WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK, OR AT LEAST A DISCOUNT. I CAN TELL YOU FROM SOMEONE WHO'S REVIEWED AND SIGNED A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS, I CAN ASSURE YOU AT SOME POINT THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE SIGNED THAT WE ACCEPT IT. WE ARE NOT PROTECTED. YEAH. FROM THEIR INABILITY TO FUNCTION, EVEN THOUGH WE SAID, HEY, WE NEED THIS SYSTEM TO DO THESE THINGS, THIS SYSTEM APPEARS INCAPABLE. IT IS INCAPABLE OF DOING THE THINGS WE NEED IT TO DO. AND IT'S CAUSING A BUNCH OF ISSUES, SOME ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS QUICKLY AND CHANGE, RIGHT? FOR SURE. SOME SAFETY ISSUES. AND I AND I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO GO. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP AND REVIEW WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. BUT I AGREE WITH THE JUDGE LIKELY IN THE CONTRACT. THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT THAT PREVENTS US, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T TRY. AND SO LAUREN, I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THE COMPLICATION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I JUST NOT NOT THAT I FORGET GOING BACK ON ACI. THE COMPLICATION IS, IS THAT THE ANNEX SCHEDULING CHANGES A LOT. BUT THE JAIL AND THE NEW COURTHOUSE DON'T, MEANING WE MIGHT OPEN THE ANNEX ON A SATURDAY. WE MIGHT KEEP THE ANNEX OPEN LATER. WE MIGHT DO. EVERY TIME WE'RE DOING THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF MESSING.

ONLY WITH THE ANNEX. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CENTRALIZED SYSTEM THAT GOES FROM THE NEW COURTHOUSE TO THE ANNEX TO THE JAIL. AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY, OKAY, THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE IS TO LET THE JAIL BE THE JAIL AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS BE THE OTHER BUILDINGS. SO AGAIN, STEPPING AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OR WRONG, THE REASON THAT WE ASKED BARRY, BOBBY AND I, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE SHERIFF AND I, T AND BARRY OF WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SOLUTION? LET'S CREATE A SOLUTION SET FOR HOW DO WE FIX THIS? AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ASKED BARRY TO PUT THIS ON THERE IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROBLEM. NOW, DO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO ACI? ABSOLUTELY I DO, BUT REMEMBER WE ALSO STILL HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ACI. SO THAT EITHER HELPS US OR HURTS US. IT PROBABLY HELPS US BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL RUNNING THE JAIL. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING AN ANNEX BUILDING, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY EASIER.

THAT'S A IT'S A WORD THAT CAME TO MIND, BUT IT'S A LOT LESS SECURE OF A BUILDING IN THE SENSE THERE'S NO INMATES IN IT AND THERE'S NO JAIL CELLS AND THERE'S NONE OF THAT'S GOING ON.

SO THEN THE IDEA WOULD BE TO TAKE OUR LESS INTENSE BUILDINGS, PUT THEM ALL ON ONE VENDOR AND HAVE THE JAIL. BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE NEW COURTHOUSE HAS A JAIL IN IT. SO KEEP THE NEW COURTHOUSE AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER ON ACI, WHICH IS A JAIL, WHICH IS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED. AND THEN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER OF A, WE'RE GOING TO TURN THE PROGRAMMING'S ON, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE DOORS. THE ELECTIONS ARE ON. SO WE NEED TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN TILL EIGHT. THIS SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH IT TECHNICALLY DOES IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO IT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE DOING IT. SO I'M SAYING THAT'S THE ISSUE. SO I THINK THAT WHAT ACI ARGUMENT IS WELL YOU CAN DO IT, BUT WE'RE JUST DOING IT SO FREQUENTLY THAT IT'S IT'S JUST NOT WHAT IT'S DESIGNED TO DO PER SE. BUT I THINK ACI IS BREAD AND BUTTER ARE DETENTION CENTERS. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AND THIS IS AN OFFICE BUILDING. AND WHILE AT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER DECISION WAS MADE TO ADD, IT WAS MADE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE, THE BEST FOR, FOR US LONG TERM ARE ARE THERE LOCAL VENDORS THAT THAT NOT WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANYBODY TO DO THE JAIL. WELL, I MEAN LOCAL TO DO THE ANNEX. YES.

THIS IS A LOCAL COMPANY. YES, SIR. THAT WE HAVE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY LOCAL. IS LOCAL ROCK WALL OR LOCAL METROPLEX? THE SALESMAN THAT I DEAL WITH LIVES IN ROCKWALL. AS FAR AS WHERE

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OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE TOP FOUR ITEMS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF INTERRELATED AND THEY ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT BARRY AND BOBBY AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. SO CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEM? SURE. THE LIBRARY SAME. THEY'RE NOT ON ACI. THEY'RE ON MC A, WHICH IS JUST THE VENDOR THAT WE HAVE OUT TO DO THE WORK. IT'S NOT THEIR SYSTEM. THESE ARE NOT AS PROPRIETARY AS THE ACI SYSTEM IS. THE LIBRARY REQUESTED TO ADD THREE DOORS. AND SO WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND ASKED TO QUOTE, CHANGING THE SYSTEM AT THAT TIME FOR THEIR ACCESS CONTROL. WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO RESEND THAT QUOTE WITHOUT ADDING THE THREE DOORS. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT YET. SO THIS PRICE INCLUDES ADDING MARCIN'S REQUEST FOR THREE DOORS IN THE FACILITY AND CHANGING THE SYSTEM OVER. SO THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON WITH THAT SYSTEM. THIS WOULD JUST BE CENTRALIZING THE ACCESS CONTROLS TO ONE VENDOR, CORRECT. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING AT ADULT PROBATION THAT HAS THE SAME SYSTEM AS THE LIBRARY DOES RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONLY CENTRALIZING THEM, GETTING THEM TO THE SAME EQUIPMENT. AND THEN ROAD AND BRIDGE IS USING THE SAME VENDOR TO ADD CAMERAS. I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WEEDS WE WANT TO GET ON THAT CONVERSATION, BUT WE WOULD NEED NETWORK FIRST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY PRETTY MUCH SHARE LIKE A BASICALLY A MIFI FOR THEIR NETWORK AT ROAD AND BRIDGE. SO I THINK WE GOT NETWORK ON SITE FOR THE DRONE. AND NOW WE WOULD BASICALLY RUN SERVICE FROM THAT OVER TO TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE OFFICE AREA. AND THAT REQUEST IS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO DO THESE TWO ITEMS. SO WHAT I JUST WANT TO SAY, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, IS TO ME, THE FIRST ONE IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. THE OTHER TWO WOULD BE MORE OF A PREFERENCE TO TRY TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO A CENTRALIZED VENDOR. DO WE ANTICIPATE, IF WE MOVE THIS TO A REDUCTION IN WHAT WE PAY ACI OR IS THAT I DO NOT. I DON'T THINK THAT IT CHANGED OUR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO ADD THE ANNEX BUILDING. OKAY. SO WHAT ARE WE REPLACING? ARE WE PUTTING A NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM OR SOFTWARE OR WHAT? IT'S REALLY THE CARDS.

YEAH, IT'S REALLY THE CARDS. WHEN YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH A RELAY BOARD AND A SERVER ROOM THAT, YOU KNOW, IS SPEAKS WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEIR SYSTEM SPEAKS. AND YES, THERE IS A SERVER ON ON PREMISE AS WELL THAT ALL THAT RUNS THROUGH. SO THEY WOULD BE REPLACING THOSE, THE CARD READERS STAY IN PLACE. IT'S A, IT'S A SOFTWARE AND A SMALL BIT OF HARDWARE CHANGE.

IT'S IT'S NOT ON THE DOORS REMAIN THE SAME. WHAT'S ON THE DOORS REMAINS THE SAME. THE PROGRAM. IT WHERE YOUR EXISTING FILE WILL WORK. SO I JUST ASKED BARRY AND BOBBY TO SAYS, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO ALL OF IT? AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION. IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE $500,000 TO GET ALL THESE ON ONE SYSTEM? IS IT GOING TO BE $100,000? SO THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE IS THE COURT JUST NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION ON IF THIS IS EVEN WORTH PURSUING. SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE LOOKED INTO. ADULT PROBATION IS FAIRLY NEW, BUT ALSO IT'S STANDARDIZING A LOT OF PROCEDURE AS WELL. WE'RE WORKING AT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S RIGHTS AND ROLES ARE UNDERSTOOD BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE MAINTENANCE AND IT ON ALL THESE SYSTEMS. SO JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RUN AND MANAGE BETTER. BUT THE FIRST ITEM I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE COURT TO TAKE PRETTY SERIOUSLY. THE OTHERS ARE MORE OF A WISH THAT I THINK ARE NECESSARY. I'D LIKE TO DO IT, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE KIND OF CLEARLY, CLEARLY COMMUNICATED TO YOU GUYS FROM THE FROM THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE. THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED BARRY TO DO ON THE ACCESS CONTROLS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ROAD AND BRIDGE IS A REQUEST FROM ERICA TO GET CAMERAS OUT TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT IT WOULD COST. YEAH. THAT COST INCLUDES GETTING THE NETWORK THERE. EVERYTHING NECESSARY FOR THE NETWORK AS WELL AS THE CAMERAS.

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THEN YOU'RE GETTING WATER UNDER THE CONCRETE. YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF THE SMALL WALKWAYS THAT THAT ABUT THE CURBS STARTING TO FALL. SO WE HAVE A COMPANY COME IN AND BASICALLY PUMP FOAM GROUT UNDER THOSE AND LIFT THEM BACK UP AND THEN SILL THOSE JOINTS. AND THAT IS FOR THE AREA WE ALLOTTED WAS $21,000 IN THE PAST. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TRIED AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THEM COME REMOVE THE CONCRETE AND COME BACK IN WITH, WITH NEW CONCRETE THAT'S FAR MORE EXPENSIVE, FAR MORE DESTRUCTIVE. AND A YEAR LATER, IF IT SAGS, THEY SAY, SORRY. AND THIS I THINK WE GET EITHER A 3 OR 5 YEAR WARRANTY. I MEAN, WE HAVE ENACTED THAT IN THE PAST WHERE THEY CAME BACK AND, AND, AND LIFTED IT BACK UP AND THE WARRANTY PERIOD. SO THAT IS WHY WE CHOOSE THIS ROUTE. IT'S A LOT CLEANER, A LOT SMOOTHER PROCESS. THIS ONE WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, THIS IS POWER WASH. THE EXTERIOR AND WINDOWS OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE. AND THE WAY THAT I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU LAST YEAR, I THINK WAS CONFUSING. SO WE ENDED UP WITH TWO SEPARATE QUOTES AND ONE OF THEM MADE IT AND THE OTHER DIDN'T. THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE DIDN'T, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY FOR THE LIFT WAS AT. FOR THEM TO BE OUT THERE WASHING THE WINDOWS FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. SO THIS I JUST COMBINED THEM ALL BOTH TOGETHER SO THAT THEY'RE DOING IT ONE VENDOR ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT 60,000 IS AROUND. I THINK IT WE DIDN'T DO THE WASHING THE WALLS LAST YEAR. SO DID WE, BUT WE BUDGETED MONEY TO DO IT. WE BUDGETED 7000 TO WASH THE WINDOWS WHEN IT GETS THIS TIME OF YEAR. AND WE'RE RUNNING REALLY CLOSE, WE PULL THE REINS BACK ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO KNOW THAT THAT MONEY WON'T BE SPENT ON THAT, AND ALL WE WOULD GET DONE FOR THAT. WE COULD HAVE SOME LOWER ONES DONE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET. WE WERE WANTING A PHYSICAL SCRUBBING OF THE WINDOWS. THIS GO AROUND, NOT THE, YOU KNOW, WITH A POLE FROM A FEW HUNDRED FEET. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE WE EVER DONE A POWER WASH SCRUBBING OF THE BUILDING BEFORE? NO. NO SIR. WE NEED TO. YES, SIR. YEAH. IT IT IS TIME. WE HAVE DONE SPECIFIC AREAS WHEN WORK WAS BEING DONE ON THEM FOR SOME CEILING OR WATERPROOFING OF THE ENVELOPE, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING. THIS IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? THE REPLACE GARAGE DOOR AND OPENER IN THE MAINTENANCE AREA CURRENTLY INOPERABLE. THIS IS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SLASH JAIL. THIS IS THE AREA THAT MAINTENANCE IS STARTING TO OCCUPY. IT WAS THEIR SPACE. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE'VE GONE IN AND ADDED SOME DOORS AND WE'RE BLOCKING OTHER AREAS OFF. THAT'S NOW TRAINING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND JUST CREATING A MAINTENANCE AREA. RIGHT NOW THE DOOR IS BROKE AND IT'S JUST REMAINS UP ALL THE TIME. SO REALLY, FOR US TO START OCCUPYING THAT SPACE, WE NEED TO REPLACE THE DOOR AND THE OPENER. AND IT IS A COMMERCIAL GARAGE DOOR. SO HENCE WHY IT'S $14,000. THE NEXT ONE IS TO REPLACE THE PEELING WALLPAPER AT ENTRANCE AND INSIDE LARGE MEETING ROOM OF THE LIBRARY. SO THIS HAS BEEN AN ITEM THAT'S THAT'S COME UP FOR A WHILE. THE LIBRARY IS ABOUT TO TURN 20. WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF THAT. WE WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. SO NOT FOR SURE THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED. MARCIN HAD OR HER STAFF HAD REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO THIS. WE TRACKED DOWN THE VENDOR WHO RECENTLY DID THE WALLPAPER IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE, THIRD FLOOR ADDITION, AND WE HAD THEM COME LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC AREA AND QUOTE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REDO IT. AND THEY ALSO LET US KNOW IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE WALLPAPER AND TAPE BED TEXTURE PAINT. THIS WOULD IT WOULD BE HALF OF THAT. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, IT WOULD BE 30,000. MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE START STUDY THAT SHE

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MOVING ON. THIS IS ONE OF YOUR FAVORITES. THE LIGHTING SYSTEM AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, WE RECEIVED A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE PRICING DURING THE THIRD FLOOR BUILD OUT. THAT WAS AROUND 750 000. THAT'S JUST A STARTING PRICE, JUST A PLACEHOLDER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL TRACKING THAT. I KNOW Y'ALL LOOKED AT MOVING TOWARDS A LOW INTEREST LOAN FOR POSSIBLY DOING THIS. JUST WANT TO KEEP IT ON HERE SO THAT, THAT IT IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE NEXT ONE, THE PEELING EPOXY FLOORING AT THE JAIL. WE JUST THIS IS A BUDGET NUMBER WE PRETTY MUCH DO EVERY YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE YEAH, WE DO AGREE.

WE'RE JUST YEAH, WE DO, WE DO WHAT THIS WILL COVER EACH YEAR. AND SO WE USUALLY IT'S A CORRIDOR, A SECTION OF A CORRIDOR. AND AS WE RUN OUT OF CORRIDOR, WHICH AFTER, IF WE DO THIS IN THE COMING YEAR, WE PROBABLY WILL BE AT A CORRIDOR. SO WE'LL BE THEN HOW DO WE DO OCCUPIED AREAS? AND IT'LL GET A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. BUT LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'RE WE'RE GETTING IT BACK DOWN TO POLISHED CONCRETE. SEALED CONCRETE? YEP. THE DRIVEWAY REPAIR DRIVEWAY AND ADD ELECTRICAL TO STORAGE AREA AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO THIS REALLY RUNS CAN RUN WITH THE ONE BENEATH IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. THE ONE BELOW. IT WILL BE HARD TO DO WITHOUT IT THOUGH. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THERE'S A SMALL TRIANGLE. I REFER TO IT AS THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE. IT'S AT THE BACK OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IT'S A SECURE AREA WHERE THEY STORE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING DECOMMISSIONED OR. VEHICLES THAT THEY HAVE SEIZED. YOU KNEW I WAS SEARCHING. RIGHT NOW. IT'S ROCKED. AND IT IT HAS A LOW AREA IN IT THAT IS A DRAINAGE CULVERT, LIKE A STORM DRAIN. AND SO WE GET A LOT OF WASH FROM THAT ROCK AND WE END UP WITH A LOT OF GRASS IN THERE. AND IT'S EITHER TREATING IT OR MOWING IT. THE REQUEST IS TO ASPHALT THAT AREA. WE HAD A VENDOR PRICE. THAT ROAD AND BRIDGE DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO, TO DO AN AREA OF THIS KIND OF SMALL, THEIR EQUIPMENT'S A LITTLE LARGE TO BE GETTING IN AND OUT OF IT. AND SO THAT 6000 IS FOR THAT.

THE 12000, THE DRIVEWAY IS BUSTED. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I KNOW I'M TAKING THE LONG WAY AROUND HERE, AND WE HAVE TO RUN CONDUIT FROM AN AREA. WE CAN GET ELECTRICITY TO THE BACK OF THAT LOT TO A STORAGE FACILITY, A STORAGE BUILDING. AND SO WE WOULD REMOVE THAT BUSTED UP CONCRETE, RUN THE ELECTRICAL WIRE, HAVE THE CONCRETE REPORT AT THE SAME TIME, DIG ACROSS THE TRIANGLE AND THEN HAVE IT ASPHALTED. MAN. SO YOU SAID 6000 IS THE ASPHALT 12000 IS THE CONCRETE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT. I LOOKED AT HAVING SOMEONE RUN A MISSILE UNDER THE CONCRETE. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT, TUNNEL UNDER FOR THE PIPE, YOU'RE PAYING A MINIMUM FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND DO THAT. YOUR CONCRETE IS STILL GOING TO BE ALL BUSTED UP IN THAT AREA. IT WAS CHEAPER, BUT I CONCRETE'S PRETTY BAD THERE AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. AND THIS IS PATCHING ANOTHER AREA AS WELL WHERE THE TRASH TRUCK HAS HAS CAUSED THE CONCRETE TO START TO COME APART. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MINE DOESN'T HAVE THE PRICE THERE. SO I'M SORRY TO ASPHALT SIX AREA SHERIFFS. I CAN PUT 6000. YES SIR. YOU CAN.

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OKAY. EXPANSION PROJECT FOR THE D A AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE THAT'S IN THE WORKS. WE'RE WAITING PRICING ON THAT. WE'RE WE'RE MAKING SOME MAKING SOME GOOD HEADWAY, THOUGH. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA ROUND THE CORNER SOON. REPLACE SALLY PORT DOORS AT JAIL ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

SO SALLY PORT, YOU KNOW, IS WHERE THEY COME IN WITH INMATES. THEY HAVE IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH.

WE HAVE HAD TO REPLACE BOTH OF THE MAIN SPRINGS ON ON THOSE DOORS. THAT'S $14,000 EACH TIME WE DO IT. AREN'T THEY NEW WITH THE JAIL? THEY WERE INSTALLED WITH THE JAIL? YES, SIR. THAT'S BEEN, WHAT, FIVE YEARS AGO? I THINK WE'RE ON FOR FOUR YEARS. OKAY. THEY PROBABLY ARE.

TECHNICALLY, YEAH, THEY PROBABLY ARE FIVE YEARS OLD. THE FIRST TIME IT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK TO THE INSTALLER AND HE CAME OUT AND TOLD US WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND HE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHY WE CHOSE THOSE DOORS? AND I SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET THAT INVOLVED, BUT APPARENTLY WE GOT DOORS THAT ARE MEANT TO OPEN AND CLOSE 1 TO 2 TIMES A DAY, AND WE OPEN THEM MUCH MORE THAN THAT. SO THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM. WE CAN IT'S USUALLY A MINIMUM OF A MONTH WHEN THIS HAPPENS. SO OF COURSE, IF IF WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THOSE DOORS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START KEEPING A SPRING ON HAND. BUT IT'S ALSO VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO REPLACE IT. THEY HAVE TO COME OUT WITH A FORKLIFT. THEY HAVE TO ALSO HAVE A SCISSOR LIFT ON HAND. IT'S A IT'S AN ALL DAY DEAL FOR THEM TO DO IT. AND SO THIS IS UPGRADING TO DOORS THAT ARE MEANT TO OPEN AND CLOSE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY FOR THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT. I KNOW I. IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING. YES, SIR. THAT I'M SURE THE VENDOR WHO WAS THE CHEAPEST BIDDER TO DO IT DID NOT SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO PUT IN A DOOR THAT YOU CAN USE TWICE A DAY IS LITERALLY MEANT FOR A FACILITY WHERE WHEN YOU GET THERE IN THE MORNING, YOU OPEN THE DOOR. WHEN YOU LEAVE IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU CLOSE IT, CLOSE IT. AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE DO HERE. DIDN'T THE MAGISTRATE SAY THERE COULD BE 50 PEOPLE OVER THE WEEKEND? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S 50 TIMES OVER A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. THOSE DOORS ARE OPEN AND CLOSED WEEKEND. I JUST IMAGINE IT'S UP AND DOWN ALL ALL DAY LONG. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF UPGRADING THE SPRING SYSTEM WITHOUT REPLACING THE DOOR? AND I CAN DIG A LITTLE DEEPER ON THAT. I THINK WHAT THEY BROUGHT US THIS TIME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHAT UPGRADED, SO BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN REPLACED. AS OF YESTERDAY. THEY COMPLETED THE EXIT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT IS

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I WOULD NOT DO IT THAT WAY GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IF THE PLAN IS TO HAVE PEOPLE IN, IN THE PENTHOUSE AS AS A MUSEUM STYLE. AND IT'S IT'S LOUD. IT'S LOUD. YEAH. IF YOU GO UP THERE WHEN IT'S 90 DEGREES, IT SOUNDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE BEYOND IT BEING DUE. WHAT CONTROLS IT. THE ON BOARD CONTROLLER HAS FAILED, SO YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT.

YOU CAN'T CLEAR ANY FAULTS. YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT IT'S DOING. IT'S JUST DEFAULTED TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN IT BROKE. SO IT'S RUNNING. WE ARE WORKING ON SOME FIXES TO THAT. THAT WOULD BE. WORKABLE.

ONE IS THE CONTROLLER CAN BE REBUILT, BUT THAT'S REMOVING IT, SHIPPING IT, THEN FIXING IT AND RETURNING IT. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SOURCE ONE BECAUSE MY IDEA WAS, HEY, I'LL JUST BUY A BROKEN ONE FROM SOMEWHERE AND DO IT WITH IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IT IN HAND. AND THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY WHEN YOU SHIP IT OFF, THAT THEY CAN'T FIX IT. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WITH A SIMPLER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO GO ON IT.

WE MAY COME UP WITH A WAY TO KEEP IT GOING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S 25 YEARS OLD.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A SURPRISE THAT IT STARTS TO FAIL. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT PRICE YET. I'M STILL WAITING ON IT. AS SOON AS I HAVE IT, I'LL I'LL GET YOU BOTH VERSIONS. YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS IS OKAY AND CAN HANDLE THE FOURTH FLOOR. YEAH. AND AND NOT BE IN THE FOURTH FLOOR, BUT BE ON THE ROOF. OKAY. THEY DON'T LIKE IT ON THE ROOF BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE IT. I'M GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TWO BLOCKS AWAY TO SEE IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR FOR YOU TO SEE IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS ALREADY ON THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. OKAY. MOST OF THESE HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED. MOST OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS HAVE A 3 TO 5% BUILT IN POSSIBLE INCREASE, NOT TO EXCEED 5%. SINCE WE ADDED THE ANNEX THAT ADDED LAWN CARE THROUGH AG'S. I BELIEVE THE BUDGET FOR 2026 WAS 10,500. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN UPDATED QUOTE FROM HIM TO ADD THE TWO. CLEANUPS OF OF THE FLOWER BEDS, BUT I. I EXPECT THE TEN FIVE TO REMAIN THE WHERE IT WAS AT, PLUS THE OPTIONAL TWO CLEANUPS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT AS OF YET. WE ALSO HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE PRICE TO ADD THE GENERATOR. WE DID NOT PUT IT ON THERE ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER A ONE YEAR WARRANTY. BUT MOVING FORWARD WE WILL WANT IT ON WITH THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT LIKE WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF OUR GENERATORS, WHICH THEY COME IN QUARTERLY, CHECK THEM, THEY GET AN ANNUAL SERVICE AND INSPECTION. AT THE JAIL. THAT IS THE NEXT ONE THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE. THAT WILL BE FOR 51 MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. YOU HAVE ACCURATE CONTROLS, AS WE REFERRED TO EARLIER AS ASI. THAT IS THE ACCESS CONTROLS AND CAMERAS FOR THE JAIL. THE NEW COURTHOUSE AND THE ANNEX. I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT HAS A BUILT IN ESCALATOR FOR THIS YEAR OR NOT. ACTUALLY WHAT WE DID, WE ONLY DID A ONE YEAR

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THAN WE HAVE INTEC, WHICH IS THEY INSPECT THE LARGER MECHANICAL ASSIST, LARGER MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THERE. SO THAT'S NOT EVERY SMALL SYSTEM, LITTLE SPLIT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THERE. IT'S THE LARGE UNITS THAT RUN THE JAIL WHERE THEY COME IN AND DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION AND PROVIDE US A REPORT OF WHAT'S NEEDED. THE NEXT ONE, INTEGRITY STILL WORKS.

THEY DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF ALL OF OUR DETENTION DOORS. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THEY RETIRED. THIS LAST YEAR WAS THEIR LAST INSPECTION DUE THE COMPANY. YEAH. IT WAS A PROPRIETOR. SO SO IT WAS A SOLE PROPRIETOR? YES, SIR. HE'S DONE HIS HIS WIFE DID THE ADMIN AND HE DID THE WORK AND THEY RETIRED. AND SO I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF HAD FOUND SOMEBODY THAT HE GOT INTO CONTACT WITH CAPTAIN GRAY. AND WE HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND WE'LL SEE IF I KNOW THIS WAS ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT HE PROVIDES, AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY START THAT CONVERSATION OF WHAT THAT EXPENSE IS GOING TO BE. MANAGER PLUS, THAT IS OUR ASSET TRACKING WORK ORDER TRACKING SYSTEM. IT'S JUST SOFTWARE THAT WE TRACK EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE, WHERE WE TRY TO TRACK VEHICLES. AND THEN THE SIEMENS INDUSTRY FIRE ALARM, OLD JAIL, FIRE ALARM, NEW JAIL.

SO THIS WILL THE OLD JAIL PORTION, I BELIEVE WILL HAVE A CHANGE AS WELL. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I THINK YOU HAD US BREAK IT OUT LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE, AND YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHY. AND WHAT IT WAS, IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE SUPPRESSION IN THE OLD SIDE. BUT I EXPECT SOME CHANGES THERE BECAUSE IN THE CONSTRUCTION, WE SEPARATED OUT THOSE FIRE PANELS. THE SHERIFF'S WILL NOW BE THE SHERIFF'S SIDE, AND THE JAIL WILL NOW BE THE JAIL SIDE. THAT ALSO MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SEPARATE INSPECTIONS. SO SO, BARRY, BACK TO THE DETENTION DOORS AND LOCKS INSPECTION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STATUTE REQUIRES? JAIL STANDARDS REQUIRE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF ALL. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I BECAME INVOLVED IN IT. THIS WAS ALREADY IN PLACE PRIOR TO ME, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, YES, WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THIS.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT HAS TO BE THIRD PARTY OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT INTERNALLY. I CAN ASK THE CAPTAIN OR THE MAJOR. AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. I JUST NEED TO MAKE A NOTE.

OKAY. THE FIRE INSPECTIONS, THEY ARE REQUIRED. THOSE DO HAVE IN A PREDETERMINED AMOUNT THAT THEY WILL GO UP EACH YEAR. WHEN WE MADE THE AGREEMENT, THEY TOLD US WHAT IT WOULD BE.

AND SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO ADULT PROBATION THAT DOES HAVE AN ELEVATOR. SO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THAT ELEVATOR. WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A 5% ESCALATION, WHICH WOULD TAKE THAT TO 24, 42, 85. I WOULD EXPECT IT TO GO TO THE 5% THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE HAVE A GUESS THAT TAKES CARE OF THE LAWN CARE THERE FOR 47, 15 A YEAR.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN EXTENDED CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR. SO IF THEY ACCEPT THAT, I WOULD NOT EXPECT IT TO GO UP. MOVING ON FROM THERE IS THIS BUILDING, THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, WHICH WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR HERE, SAME PRICE AS ADULT PROBATION. I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME THING.

THE 5% INCREASE WE HAVE IN TECH DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS HERE. AND WE

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WELL, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU GOING IN ALL DIRECTIONS. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IT'S IT'S COMPLICATED AND IT'S HARD TO STAY ON TOP OF IT. AND YOU DO IT WELL. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT AT

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