Jun 23, 2026 Commissioners Court Regular Meeting

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EVERYONE. IT IS 9:00. WE ARE AT THE HISTORIC COURTROOM IN ROCKWALL, TEXAS. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR JUNE 23RD REGULAR COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING. I'M GOING TO LEAD US IN INVOCATION AND PLEDGES. IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AS THEY'RE ABLE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY, SINNERS, BUT THANKFUL FOR NOT ONLY YOUR PATIENCE, BUT THAT YOU GUIDE US WHEN WE SEEK YOU. LORD, YOU ARE THERE. YOU HAVE POURED YOUR BLESSINGS OUT ON THIS COUNTRY FOR 250 YEARS. YOU'VE POURED YOUR BLESSINGS OUT ON ROCKWALL COUNTY, AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. PLEASE CONTINUE TO BE PATIENT WITH US AS WE SEEK TO LIVE A LIFE THAT IS PLEASING TO YOU. IT IS IN YOUR SON JESUS CHRIST'S NAME THAT WE PRAY.

AMEN. AMEN. LET'S PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS FLAG HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT.

[1.A Recognition/Presentation of Proclamation - Daughters of the American Revolution – Judge New ]

GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SUPPORTING THE ROCKWALL CHAPTER OF DAUGHTERS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION. WE HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED, PURCHASED, PLACED OUR AMERICA 250 MARKER.

IF YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE WERE HERE QUITE SOME TIME AGO ASKING YOUR APPROVAL FOR SUCH. IT. I'M NOT SURE THE MARKERS ON TOP YET. IT IS NOT THE POLE. IT'S THERE. THE PLAQUE IS READY. WE'RE JUST WAITING, PROBABLY NEXT WEEK FOR THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO PUT IT UP THERE, COVER IT UP, AND WE WOULD WELCOME YOU TO COME TO OUR DEDICATION CEREMONY. IT IS ON JULY 2ND AT 10 A.M. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT MANY OF YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE LAWYERS ASSOCIATION TO DO THE READING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. WE'RE JUST BEFORE THAT. AND SO THE LOCATION, OF COURSE, IS BETWEEN THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COURTHOUSE, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY. YOU WILL SEE US WHERE THE PEOPLE IN RED, WHITE AND BLUE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE COLD WATER AND A FAN FOR YOU. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US, WE ANTICIPATE THE CEREMONY TO BE NO MORE THAN ABOUT 30 MINUTES. GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIME TO COOL OFF, MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE COURTHOUSE AND PROCEED ON WITH THE CELEBRATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO AMERICA. 250 THANK YOU, MARGARET. YEAH, EVERYONE'S INVITED. JULY 2ND, 10 A.M. IN BETWEEN THE COURTHOUSE AND THE LIBRARY. JOIN US. IT'LL BE A GOOD TIME. ALL RIGHT. THAT

[2. PUBLIC FORUM: (This is the public’s opportunity to address the Commissioners Court about County matters. During this meeting, the Commissioners Court will not discuss, consider or take action on any item not included on this meeting’s agenda. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during the Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)]

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, THEY CAN COME FORWARD. NOW SEEING NO ONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[3. PUBLIC HEARING. To discuss the proposed installation of Stop Signs at the intersection of Blockdale and Crenshaw Rd., and all related issues;]

OKAY. SO AT 903, I'M GOING TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER AND ASK IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK REGARDING THE STOP SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BLOCK DALE AND CRENSHAW ROAD TO COME FORWARD NOW. ALL RIGHT, AT 904, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR. JUDGE, I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT. SORRY. REAL QUICK. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM FOUR Q, WHICH IS NEAR THE BOTTOM. ENTERPRISE HAS A PRESENTATION THEY'RE DOING. I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH OUR ENTIRE MEETING TO GET THERE. IF WE CAN FIND A PLACE TO MOVE IT UP A LITTLE FASTER, THAT'D BE GREAT. ARE YOU INSINUATING THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE BORING? NO, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE IT AS MUCH AS WE DO. ALL RIGHT, I, I CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST

[4.Q Discuss/Act on a proposal by Enterprise Fleet Management for Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana) ]

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PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING TODAY IS JUST TO AGAIN REVIEW ENTERPRISE'S PROPOSAL OF WHAT A FLEET MANAGEMENT PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY. AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A LEASING PARTNERSHIP, BUT MORE OF A FLEET MANAGEMENT SOLUTION GOING FORWARD FOR YOU ALL AND HOW WE CAN HELP ASSIST. AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO ONE IN THE COUNTY'S JOB PRIMARILY IS JUST FLEET ITSELF. EVERYONE ATTACKS ON MULTIPLE ITEMS ON TOP OF THAT, AND HOW THAT CAN CONSIST AND STRAIN THE COUNTY. AND OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO HELP YOU SEE HOW A PARTNERSHIP WITH US GOING FORWARD WOULD WORK AND BENEFIT THE COUNTY WITH OUR EXPERIENCE WITH NOT ONLY OTHER COUNTIES, BUT CITIES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THIS IS ALSO MY COLLEAGUE, KEITH TIDWELL. HE'S MY AREA SALES MANAGER, SO HE'LL BE HERE JUST TO TALK THROUGH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL THROUGH THE PROCESS. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. WE WORK WITH MULTIPLE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AROUND THE NATION A LOT THAT Y'ALL MAY KNOW LOCALLY AROUND GREENVILLE, FATE, HUNT COUNTY. AND AGAIN, WE'RE PARTNERED ON SOURCEWELL AND TIPS THROUGH THEIR PURCHASING COOPERATIVES. WE ACTUALLY WERE THE NEWEST SOURCEWELL CONTRACT FOR FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES WAS JUST RELEASED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND WE WERE AWARDED THE NUMBER ONE SPOT ON THERE FOR OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT PARTNERSHIP WITH ALLOWING US TO HELP WITH THE FUNDING MECHANISMS, BUT ALSO THE MAINTENANCE, FUEL TRACKING, DRIVER SUPPORT AND DISPOSAL PROCESS FOR THE ENTIRE FLEET. AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK THROUGH IS YOUR FLEET TODAY, HOW IT SITS AGAIN, THERE'S 119 VEHICLES TOTAL THAT THE COUNTY IS OPERATING TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, ON THE LEFT, I'M SORRY, THERE'S ABOUT 24 DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT COUNTY IS RUNNING TODAY. THAT COULD JUST BE FROM ATTRITION OF BUYING VEHICLES IN THE PAST AND JUST RUNNING THEM AND TRYING TO FIND A NEW PURPOSE FOR THEM. BUT AGAIN, OUR JOB IS TO HELP YOU KIND OF SEE WHERE WE CAN SHRINK THAT DOWN FROM 24 TO MAYBE 12, TEN, EVEN EIGHT DIFFERENT SPECS OF VEHICLES THAT THE COUNTY IS OPERATING SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE INCENTIVES, MAKING IT EASIER TO MAINTAIN THE VEHICLES AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE WITH MANAGING THE FLEET ITSELF. THE COUNTY ITSELF, AS YOU CAN SEE, DOESN'T DO A LOT OF MILES OF OPERATING. THEY'RE ONLY AVERAGE FLEET IS ABOUT 38,000 MILES, BUT THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR, AS WE'RE HEARING, THE POLICE SIRENS GO BY, THE POLICE UNITS THAT ARE IDLING FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIMES, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE ENGINE AND LIFE PERFORMANCE OF THE VEHICLES GOING FORWARD, AND HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ITEMS BY LOOKING AT GETTING RID OF THEM SOONER. RESALE PROCESS FOR NOT ONLY THOSE VEHICLES, BUT ALSO THE OTHER VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM OUR LAST MEETING WERE, HEY, HOW DOES IT ALL WORK? HOW DOES THE RESALE WORK? HOW CAN WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ITEMS? AND A BIG THING THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DID WITH HUNT COUNTY AND A VEHICLE THAT THEY SOLD RECENTLY. IT WAS A 2021 WORK TRUCK THAT THEY HAD ON THEIR FLEET, AND THEY WERE OPERATING IT. THE ACQUISITION COST WAS AROUND $30,000. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FIND THAT NOWADAYS IN 20 FROM 2021. BUT ONE THING TO STICK OUT THAT STUCK OUT TO US IS WE WERE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF THAT VEHICLE FOR MORE THAN WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE FOR. AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THE RESALE OF THE COST OF THAT VEHICLE AT THE TIME WAS LOWER. BUT THOSE ARE THE RESALE ADVANTAGES OF FINDING THAT OPTIMAL TIME REPLACEMENT, PUTTING IT INTO ENTERPRISE NETWORK OF RESALE. AND I'LL TALK THROUGH SOME MORE NUMBERS DOWN AT THE LINE OF HOW MANY VEHICLES WE'VE SOLD OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS TO HELP DRIVE THAT RESALE COST UP TO YOU, WHICH IN ESSENCE HELPS OFFSET ANY CAPITAL EXPENDITURES GOING FORWARD WITH THE FLEET AS WELL. AND I'LL JUMP IN THERE, TOO, AND JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COURT, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. ONE THING TO THAT ALSO COMES UP IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE LOSING CONTROL OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE ON THE FLEET, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETING EACH YEAR AND CONSTRAINTS AND HAVING TO DO MORE WITH LESS? WE TAKE A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. WHEN WE PARTNER WITH OUR CLIENTS, WE CAN LOOK AT ANY DIFFERENT FLEET STRATEGY, WHETHER IT'S HOLDING TO TEN YEARS OR REPLACING AFTER FIVE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORK WITH EVERY SINGLE YEAR WITH OUR CLIENTS, AND WE DO A FLEET ANALYSIS MEETING, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AROUND BUDGET TIME, WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ON WHAT THE EXACT STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE.

YOU HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER EVERY DECISION THAT'S MADE ON THE FLEET. STILL TODAY, WE'RE JUST BEING A PARTNER TO HELP MAKE MORE MEANINGFUL DECISIONS BASED OFF THE DATA AND RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. THE OTHER PART TO THAT IS JUST THE THE INDUSTRY AND THE STRATEGY CHANGES THIS YEAR TO YEAR. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS YEAR OVER YEAR AS WELL AS WE DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW, WHICH WE WOULD PRESENT BACK TO THE COURT EVERY YEAR TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING, BECAUSE THIS IS AN AT WILL PARTNERSHIP THAT GROWS AS SLOW OR AS FAST AS YOU WANT IT TO, BUT YOU'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THE DATA EVERY YEAR TO SHOW THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE

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RIGHT NOW. WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE ONE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE OPTIMAL VEHICLE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STILL YOUR DECISION WHICH VEHICLES YOU GO WITH. AND THEN ALSO THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY IS RESALE. THE RESALE MARKET HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHICH ALSO THE ACQUISITION COST, JUST LIKE JORDAN HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, AN F-150 USED TO COST 26,010 YEARS AGO, AND NOW IT'S ALMOST 50. AND SO THE RESALE MARKET HAS BEEN INDICATIVE OF THAT AS WELL. SO WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF BY US LOOKING AT THE ACQUISITION COST AND THEN IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE VEHICLES FOR MORE THAN YOU PAY FOR THEM. NOW NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU GET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, ADVANTAGE OF, TO PROVIDE THE THE LOCAL TAX BASE WITH A REALLY EFFICIENT FLEET. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE VEHICLES ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE CRITICAL PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS, POLICE, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT THE FLEET TOUCHES OVERALL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING. AGAIN, THAT'S KEITH TOUCHED ON IT. THERE'S 450 DIFFERENT MAKES AND MODELS OF VEHICLES OUT THERE IN THE MARKET. AND WHAT MAKES MOST SENSE FOR YOU ALL? PRIME EXAMPLE, I JUST WE DID THIS RECENTLY WITH THE CITY, ANOTHER CITY, THEY WANTED TO MOVE TO A TOYOTA RAV4 HYBRID BECAUSE OF THE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FUEL ECONOMY AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE RESALE ON THE BACK END. AND THERE WAS JUST A POST OUT NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS AGO FOR THE MODEL YEAR 2026, WHERE THOSE ARE NOW EVEN RESELLING WITH TEN, 20, 30,000 MILES ON THEM, MORE THAN WHAT THE ACQUISITION COST OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE. AND SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE RESALES HERE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. WHEN WE LOOK AT DISPOSING THOSE AND ORDERING THE NEW MODEL YEAR REPLACEMENTS. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU CAN BUY, IF YOU CAN SELL THE VEHICLE MORE THAN YOU PURCHASE FOR, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT OPERATIONAL BUDGET DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT MAINLY JUST DOING OIL CHANGES DURING THAT TIME FRAME, ESPECIALLY WITH GOING TO MINIMAL MILES THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES GO. SO THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. AGAIN, LIKE KEITH MENTIONED, IT'S NOT WE WISH WE COULD DO IT EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE MARKET AND HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF THOSE VEHICLES.

AND AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THOSE RESALES IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE WHOLESALES AND AUCTIONS VERSUS WITH HAVING A PARTNER LIKE ENTERPRISE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE BIDDING, WE CAN ACTUALLY WHOLESALE DIRECT ALL OF THOSE ASSETS GOING FORWARD ON YOUR BEHALF. YEAH. SO WHAT WE DID WAS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT DATA. WE COLLABORATED ON WHAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE BEST SOLUTION. AND THEN WE TIED IT ALL TOGETHER TO SHOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTS. BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION, THEN OPERATIONALLY CONFIRM THAT IT FITS WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THIS MODEL IS THE GOAL IS TO SHOW A LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE FLEET PARTNER AND A FLEET PLAN. INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT A ONE HIT WONDER IN ONE YEAR. AND SO WE WERE TRYING, WE TOOK ALL ALL THE KEY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COUNTY INCORPORATED INTO THIS. THIS MODEL SHOWS TEN YEARS OF REPLACING THE FIRST. OVER THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, WE WOULD REPLACE THE CURRENT VEHICLES.

AND THEN TO SHOW SUSTAINABILITY, WE SHOWED TEN FULL YEARS. SO ONCE YOU START REPLACING VEHICLES THAT WE WANT TO SHOW WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT. AND THIS TAKES WHAT THE THAT FIRST YELLOW LINE IS THE HISTORICAL AVERAGE FLEET SPEND TO SHOW A BASELINE TO SHOW THE OVERALL IMPACT THAT WE WOULD MAKE. SO ON AVERAGE, WITH 112 VEHICLES REPLACING ABOUT 15 OR SO A YEAR, YOUR FLEET BUDGET IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 877 OR 670. I PROBABLY NEED SOME GLASSES NOW. I'M GETTING OLDER. EQUITY, WHICH IS ALSO RESALE OF REPLACING THOSE. YOU'RE CAPTURING BACK ABOUT $88,000 TO OFFSET THE ACQUISITION COSTS. YOUR MAINTENANCE COSTS, ON AVERAGE IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 200,000 AND THEN FUEL RIGHT THERE. SO OUR BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE COMPARING TO IS ABOUT A RIGHT OVER $1 MILLION A YEAR ON THE FLEET BUDGET. AND SO WE TOOK THAT AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST REPLACEMENT PLAN, KNOWING THAT THESE ARE YOUR VEHICLES, YOU MAKE ALL DECISIONS. THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, LOOKING AT WHICH VEHICLES YOU WOULD REPLACE. AND WE WOULD WANT TO WORK INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH EITHER COMMISSIONER OR DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO IDENTIFY, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LITERALLY LOOKING AT A LINE ITEM OF A VIN NUMBER. SO WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE, THE NITTY GRITTY ON THE INSIDE, ON SOME OF THE VEHICLES UNTIL WE REALLY START UNDERSTANDING THE FLEET THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP. BUT IN THE FIRST YEAR, WE'D RECOMMEND REPLACING THE 29 VEHICLES INSTEAD OF GOING OUT. YEAH, IT'S WAY BIGGER UP THERE. YEAH. I DON'T NEED GLASSES FOR

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SO IF YOU HAVE A $40,000 VEHICLE, WE'RE FINANCING IT DOWN TO, LET'S SAY $10,000. SO FROM A CASH FLOW, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF FINANCING $40,000, YOU'RE ONLY FINANCING $30,000. SO YOUR PAYMENTS AND CASH FLOW ARE MINIMIZED. BUT THEN WHEN WE SELL THAT VEHICLE, LET'S SAY WE SELL THAT VEHICLE FOR 2000. THE REASON IT'S CALLED AN EQUITY LEASE IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL RIGHTS OF OWNERSHIP. YOU HAVE RETAIN ALL THE RESALE OF IT. SO LET'S SAY YOU OWE TEN 000 AND WE SELL THAT VEHICLE FOR 2000. YOU GET THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THE THE TWO DIFFERENT PIECES THERE. SO YOU'D GET $10,000 BACK. PIECE OF IT IS WE CAN STRUCTURE IT LIKE A FINANCE. IF Y'ALL WANT TO SELF-FUND AND PAY CASH, YOU CAN COMPLETELY DO. THE MAJORITY OF OUR CLIENTS UTILIZE AN EQUITY LEASE BECAUSE IT. IT'S A. IT ALLOWS THEM TO REPLACE MORE VEHICLES WITH LESS CASH OUTLAY AND ALMOST LIKE A BRIDGE, ESPECIALLY SINCE A LOT OF THE VEHICLES YOU'D BE REPLACING TODAY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESALE VALUE TO OFFSET THE NEXT VEHICLE. AND SO IT JUST HELPS WITH BEING ABLE TO REPLACE MORE VEHICLES WITH LESS BUDGET DOLLARS. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THAN WHAT MOST CONSUMERS WOULD SEE WHEN THEY LEASE A CAR, CORRECT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. OKAY.

CORRECT. BUT THERE'S NO WEAR AND TEAR. THERE'S NO OVER MILEAGES. YOU ALL RETAIN ALL RIGHTS OF OWNERSHIP. IT'S JUST A CASH FLOW TOOL. SO IF WE FAST FORWARD, LET'S SAY TEN YEARS AND THAT YOU WERE OPERATING FLEETS, THAT YOUR FLEETS NEVER 4 TO 5 YEARS OLDER, AND IT'S REDUCED BUDGET DOLLARS BY $2.2 MILLION. IS THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE OVERALL OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AS A BENEFIT TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT FOR THE COUNTY? I, I LOVE

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THERE WOULD JUST BE THE MANAGEMENT FEE, WHICH IS TIED TO LIKE THE MASTER AGREEMENT, BUT YOU WOULD JUST CONTINUE RUNNING THAT VEHICLE IN PITUITARY. BUT EVENTUALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO GET VEHICLE. WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU A LEASE PAYMENT. CORRECT. WHAT'S THE MANAGEMENT FEE? HOW IS THAT CALCULATED? YEP. SO IT'S ONLY FOR THE VEHICLES ACQUIRED THROUGH ENTERPRISE. SO WE'LL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY VEHICLES OUTSIDE OF ENTERPRISE.

ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM. AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S LIKE AN AT WILL PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE HAVE TO PROVE OUR VALUE EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE AND EVERY YEAR. BUT THE MANAGEMENT FEE IS A 10TH OF THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF THE VEHICLE. SO IF YOU TAKE A PERCENT, A 10TH. SO IF YOU TAKE A $40,000 VEHICLE, IT'S $40 A MONTH, MONTH, IT DROPS TO 30, IT DROPS TO $30 A MONTH FOR THE VEHICLE. SO OKAY, IT'S COMPLETELY PAID OFF. IT GOES TO $30 A MONTH. THAT'S RIGHT. WE STILL HANDLE ALL THAT. YOU PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT SERVICE AND ALL THAT. AND ARE THOSE THAT MONTHLY FEE CALCULATED INTO YOUR FINAL BUDGET IMPACT HERE THAT'S BUILT INTO THIS? CORRECT. IT'S NOT CALCULATED OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S PASSED THAT PART. BUT ONCE IF YOU CONTINUE TO LEASE THE VEHICLE GOING FORWARD, THEN IT WOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH OVER. OKAY. AND ONE THING TO POINT OUT, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IS THAT MANAGEMENT FEE OFFSET IT. TYPICALLY ON THE ACQUISITION SIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE AND REDUCE BUDGET DOLLARS THERE. BUT THE BIG KICKER IS RESALE. AND WE, WE'RE CAPTURING ABOUT 114% ABOVE MARKET VALUE. SO IT EQUATES TO ABOUT $2,300 MORE IN RESALE. THAT COMPLETELY OFFSETS THE MANAGEMENT FEE ENTIRETY. BUT WE'LL HAVE TO IN OUR ANNUAL REVIEW, WE'LL SHOW YOU ALL OF THE WHERE EVERY BUCKET IS BEING SPENT, EVEN SHOW YOU THE TRANSPARENCY OF WHERE THE MANAGEMENT FEE IS. YOU MENTIONED YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE HYBRID OPPORTUNITY AND OPTION. AS FAR AS A LOT OF THE CLIENTS YOU HAVE THAT ARE GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, AND YOU SHARED SOME THAT WERE CITIES AND COUNTY, WHAT, WHAT PERCENT ARE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE WOULD NOT WANT HYBRID FOR OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE. OKAY, BUT WHAT OTHER PERCENT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU SAY IS AN AVERAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH YOUR CLIENTS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I WILL SAY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN A FOCUS OF SUSTAINABILITY. YOU SAW A LOT OF EVS IN IN THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, A LOT MORE EVS, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES HAVE ADOPTED THOSE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, JUST BECAUSE THE THE RADIUS IS A LOT SMALLER, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOMEWHAT THERE, BUT YOU'VE SEEN A SHIFT FROM EVS TO MORE HYBRIDS TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT'S OUT OF THE. PROBABLY HERE LOCALLY IN DALLAS, WE MANAGE ABOUT 37,000 VEHICLES, AND I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY ABOUT 10%. PARTICULARLY WITH GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF AN ADOPTION ACROSS THE BOARD. A LOT OF TRUCK FLEETS THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONS. LIKE WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO APPLY FOR THAT GRANT FOR OUR EV, OUR STATION. RIGHT. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. YEAH, WELL, DON'T DO IT YET. WHAT'S THE EV RESALE MARKET LIKE? I MEAN, IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY CHALLENGING COMPARED TO HYBRID, YOU KNOW, OR YOUR TYPICAL WHAT I WILL SAY

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LESS MAINTENANCE. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. THE HYBRID IS DEFINITELY A MORE ADAPTIVE APPROACH GOING FORWARD. YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE PICKUP TRUCKS LIKE F-150 ARE NOW COMING OUT WITH SOME HYBRID ENGINES, TOYOTA TUNDRAS. SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A SHIFT TOWARD THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING WHOLESALE DIRECT TO COMMISSIONER GALLARDO'S POINT.

WE'RE SELLING THESE BACK TO DEALERS, AND THOSE DEALERS ARE THEN SELLING IT BACK TO THE THE RETAIL CUSTOMER. AND ALSO A $50,000 OR 50,000 MILE VEHICLE HYBRID THAT'S A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN AN EV VEHICLE. THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PUSH IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND SOME SOME COUNTIES, SOME CITIES DO HAVE SOME MORE CHARGING STATIONS ALREADY SET UP. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT IN THAT POSITION AND THERE'S I KNOW THE GRANTS ARE STARTING TO GO AWAY AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY GOT IT, THEN LEVERAGE IT NOW, LEVERAGE IT NOW, MAYBE JUST ADD A COUPLE CHARGING STATIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN COME. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO YOU. YEAH. BUT TO KEITH'S POINT, ALL OF THE DATA CAN BE HOUSED. YOU GET THE CLIENT PORTAL THAT WE CAN BREAK IT OUT BY DEPARTMENT. SO PUBLIC WORKS POLICE CAN SEE ALL THEIR SPENDS. AND SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY ONE BIG THING WAS YOU'RE ALREADY OUTSOURCING YOUR MAINTENANCE TODAY. SO BEING ABLE TO TRACK IT ALL IN ONE PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PULL FOR THE BUDGET OF NEXT YEAR INSTANTLY VERSUS JUST TOLD ME THEY HAD TO GO TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO GATHER ALL THIS DATA. AND THEY MAY IT MAY BE COMPLETE AND MAY BE INCOMPLETE. BEING ABLE TO ALL IN ONE PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD, SEE, AND THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD WILL BE HELP YOU OUT. BUT ALSO WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO YOU AS WELL. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT LEGWORK. SO IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND THE ACCOUNTING TEAM LOVES ALL THE GASB REPORTING UP THERE. YES. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS PRESENTATION WITH US AS WELL? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S

[4.A Discuss/Act on appointment of members to the Library Advisory Board, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Librarian)]

JUDGE, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE LIBRARY BOARD, BY THE LIBRARY, AND A COUPLE OF THOSE SPOTS. WE PULLED BACK THE ONES REPRESENTING PRECINCT ONE AND PRECINCT TWO. AND THIS IS A TIME IF YOU GUYS WANT TO NOMINATE SOMEONE THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THAT. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE DEREK VALENTINE FOR THE POSITION LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD FOR PRECINCT ONE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY I HAD SENT MINE IN TO YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. DO YOU HAVE THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU WITH MY MY CANDIDATE'S NAME? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK YOU DO. NO, NO YOU DON'T. OH, NO.

GIVE ME JUST TOO MUCH CREDIT. YEAH, YOU GIVE ME TOO MUCH CREDIT. I'M SORRY, I DON'T.

COMMISSIONER GALENA, DOES MR. VALENTINE KNOW HE'S BEING NOMINATED? WE HAD A COUPLE OF GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND AND HE ACCEPTED AND IS EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WHILE WE WAIT, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE WE WILL BE HAVING A POLICY SOON.

I WENT INTO LAUREN'S OFFICE TO WORK ON IT AND HE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO WAIT.

SO BUT WE ARE WE, WE, BUT WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WAY TO PROCEED. AND I THINK WE HAVE WE WILL HAVE ONE SOON. A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS GOING FORWARD. SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A POLICY SOON TO COURT ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS GOING FORWARD. I APOLOGIZE, BY THE WAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE SO RUDE TO YOU. NO, NO, NO, I WAS KIND OF RUDE BACK.

I'M SORRY. I AM NOMINATING BECKY ELLISTON. BECKY AND I HAVE SPOKEN AND SHE IS SHE'S DONE SOME VOLUNTEER WORK WITH THE LIBRARY AND SHE WOULD BE VERY, VERY EXCITED AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPOINTMENT. I REMEMBER THAT. THAT'S OKAY. I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY EMAIL TO YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE THE OTHER THAN THOSE TWO POSITIONS RIGHT NOW, THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD IS FULL. THOSE WOULD BOTH BE FOR TWO YEAR POSITIONS, WHICH ARE RIGHT NOW BEING EMPTY. AND THEY'RE REPLACING IN ONE INSTANCE DJ MALOU AND PRECINCT ONE. AND I THINK PRECINCT TWO PERSON HAS DECIDED NOT TO RUN AGAIN. WELL, SONYA MARTIN PARTICIPATING IN SONYA MARTIN SO WITH THAT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE THAT WE NOMINATE TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. DEREK VALENTINE AS A REPRESENTATIVE PRECINCT ONE AND BECKY ELLISON AS REPRESENTATIVE PRECINCT TWO FOR A TWO YEAR TERMS, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, WHO HAS

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[4.B Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana) ]

[4.C Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Sheriff's remodel, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy) ]

[4.D Discuss/Act on approving PCCO #033 with Parkhill for the Sheriff Remodel, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy) ]

COMMISSIONER STACY. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY AND HAVE SAL KIND OF FILL IN THIS. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH FINISHING A LITTLE BIT OF THE OF THE OLD JAIL AREA. IT INCLUDES FINISHING OUT THE IT CLOSET WITH LADDER RACK. WE FINALLY GOT OUR A C FIGURED OUT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO COOL IT, HOW MUCH WALL SPACE WE HAVE, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED? AND SO WE HAVE A LADDER RACK. WE HAVE SOME ROOF ROOF RAILING THAT'S REQUIRED. WE GOT A TRANSACTION WINDOW. WHEN WE WENT TO INSTALL THE FITNESS ROOM, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES ON THE FINISHES. FOR THAT. WE'RE GETTING CREDIT BACK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DO TWO LIFTS FOR THE RTUS. WE'RE DOING ONE LIFT FOR THE RTU. WE HAVE SOME RESTROOM CEILING THAT WE'RE DOING SOME BREAK METAL ON JUST SO IT'S FINISHED OUT, LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OUTSIDE STUCCO TO MAKE A WALL. I MEAN, TO MAKE A DOOR LOOK LIKE IT'S ON PURPOSE.

SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. A LOT OF MINOR STUFF BUBBLING UP. SO WE'RE DONE WITH THESE BIG $100,000 PCO'S FOR RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN SALES HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THE CHANGES QUESTIONS FOR SAL, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THE PCO WAS WITH MCI, NOT WITH PARK HILL. THAT IS CORRECT. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. NO, THAT'S HOW IT READS ON THE AGENDA. IT READS WITH PARK HILL AND NOT MCI. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S BECAUSE IT HAS YOUR LETTERHEAD ON ON THE FRONT. SO I WILL GET THAT CHANGED WHEN I MAKE MY MOTION. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT IN THE PACKET.

JUST ON THE AGENDA LIST IT SAYS PARK HILL. ALL RIGHT. WELL JUDGE HEARING NO QUESTIONS. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE PCO NUMBER 33 WITH MCI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SHERIFF REMODEL. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

[4.E Discuss/Act on setting the County Sheriff's bond amount to not less than $5,000 and not more than $30,000 as prescribed by Local Government Code Section 85.001(b)(3), and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy) ]

COMMISSIONER STACY. OKAY, WELL, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT SOUNDS. WE HAVE TO SET A SHERIFF'S BOND AMOUNTS CURRENTLY AT $2,000. IT NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN 5 AND 30,000. AND SO WE JUST NEED TO CREATE THAT ORDER THAT ALLOWS THE AUDITOR TO GO MAKE THAT PURCHASE AND GET THIS DONE. SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S KIND OF A DECISION ON HOW THE COURT WANTS TO SET THE BOND. I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT, WE SET IT FOR 5000. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE THE. ELEVATED DOLLAR AMOUNT, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO HAVING A $10,000 BOND OR A WHEN IT COMES TO THE SHERIFF? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER STACY IS PROBABLY THE BETTER ONE TO ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN REVIEWING WHAT OTHER INSURANCES WE HAVE. YES. SO I AM KIND OF GEARING US UP TOWARDS HAVING A BIG BOND RISK POOL DISCUSSION

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IF YOU WENT TO 50,000, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS MORE. THESE AREN'T EXPENSIVE. GOT IT.

SO THE COMMENT YOU MADE IF BETWEEN BEING A NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT. BUT IF THERE IS A CLAIM YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS PAYING FOR THE BOND. CORRECT. BUT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, IF THERE IF IT'S THERE'S A CLAIM AND IT'S PROVEN TO BE. YEAH, AGAINST THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU ARE BONDED, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK THE CLAIM AGAINST YOU, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, ELECTED OFFICIAL. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. YOU ARE CORRECT.

IT'S THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT PAYS BACK THE CLAIM AGAINST THE BOND. THE BOND IS NOT INSURANCE.

THE BOND IS CERTIFYING YOUR PERFORMANCE OF YOUR OATH, SAYING THAT YOU WILL DO YOUR OATH. IT IS A VERY ANTIQUATED WAY OF ENSURING SOMEONE'S COMPLIANCE, BECAUSE THE RISK POOL HAS ALL OF OUR E AND O INSURANCE AND HAS ALL THE RISK ON THE COUNTY, EVEN AGAINST IF THE SHERIFF DECIDED TO. I HATE TO PICK ON HIM, BUT HE'S ON THE AGENDA. IF THE IF IF THERE WAS AN ERROR OR OMISSION IN HIS PERFORMANCE OF HIS DUTY, THE COUNTY IS COVERED ON THAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. OUR E AND O COVERS MOST OF WHAT THESE ANTIQUATED BONDS. I FEEL LIKE WE CAN SELF-INSURE MOST OF THIS STUFF AND I DON'T. UNLESS IT'S STATUTORILY REQUIRED. I GET IT, THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT, I GET IT, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOTHING REALLY. AND I WANT TO GIVE CRAIG, WHO'S IN THE ROOM, SOME, SOME PROPS. ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE WAITING IS THAT HE HAS AGREED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF EVERY BOND, AND I HAVE SENT HIM IN THE CIVIL DIVISION, MY THOUGHTS AND KIND OF DUMPED TO HIM. AND IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT TO CALL YOU UP TO DO A REPORT, BUT BUT BY THE TIME WE GET TO JULY, OUR CIVIL DIVISION WILL ALSO HAVE A LEGAL REPORT ON BONDS AS WELL. FOR US TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER. IT'S JUST THIS ONE IS OUTSIDE OF STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND WE JUST NEED TO GET IT TO THE 5000. IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT MEANS NOTHING FOR ANYONE. THAT'S ACTUALLY WITH THAT SUMMARY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SHERIFF'S BOND TO BE $5,000 AND AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO PURCHASE. I'LL SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STACY, FOR AN CRAIG AT THE CIVIL DIVISION FOR DIGGING INTO

[4.F Discuss/Act on approving an Interlocal Agreement with the City of Rockwall to provide engineering, right of -way acquisition, utility relocations, inspections, and construction of Village Drive, and all related issues; (Commissioner Macalik) ]

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WE COULDN'T RAISE MORE MONEY BECAUSE 50, 50 MILLION, 80% IS 40 MILLION. AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD SPEND THAT IN 36 MONTHS. AND HERE, APPARENTLY THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE WE MAY NOT EVEN FUND THIS OR SIGN A CONTRACT FOR 36 MONTHS. SO I KNOW IT'S ONLY 2 MILLION OF THE $50 MILLION, BUT HOW DOES IT TIE INTO ALL THAT? AND WHAT'S OUR DUTY AND OUR OBLIGATION? I THINK THE 85% IS THAT THE YOU'RE INTENDING TO SPEND IT. YOU ARE. ONCE THIS BECOMES GRAY AREA, LIKE I SENT YOU ALL IN THAT EMAIL ABOUT THE. YOU PUT IT OVER INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT, BUT YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING RETAINED RIGHTS TO IT. SO. I DON'T KNOW. SO I JUST I'M OUT OF THIS ONE BECAUSE I, THIS DIDN'T GO THROUGH ME. THIS, THIS CONTRACT DID NOT. SO I, I, I'M NO, BUT I'M KIND OF LET'S SET THIS CONTRACT ASIDE. MAYBE AND MAYBE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE US AT A LATER TIME, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. BUT I JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TO THE FIRST OF ALL, IF ANYBODY HASN'T HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE, I WANT TO BUILD ROADS. SECONDLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR BOND COVENANTS, WHATEVER THEY ARE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT, BUT THIS WHOLE THING JUST TRIGGERED THAT IN THAT RECOLLECTION OF WHEN WE APPROVED ALL THESE. SO, BRENDA, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME LET ME PULL UP SOME SOME STUFF FROM OUR BOND COUNCIL. THAT WAS THE PAST. OKAY. ADVISEMENT FROM THEM ON THE ON THE SPENDING THE MONEY. AND THAT'S FINE. YEAH. THANK YOU. BUT I'M, I'M THINKING THAT SOME OF THE LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT. BUT IF SOME OF THIS MONEY COULD BE USED FOR THAT AS WELL. NO, NO, MA'AM, THIS IS A MATCH FOR CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION ONLY.

OKAY. YEAH. THE RTR FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM COG IS $12 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION, AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NEEDED THE 20% MATCH FOR THAT, WHICH WAS $3 MILLION. SO THE CITY OF ROCKWALL IS PUTTING $1 MILLION IN TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS THE FUNDING OF THE ENGINEERING RIGHT AWAY, UTILITIES, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PROJECT. A LOT OF THAT IS UP FRONT TOO. YES. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S FRONT LOADED. AND THE THE ISSUE WITH THIS ONE IS JUST DEALING WITH THE RAILROAD AND TRYING TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT OVER THE TOP OF THEM THAT NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOHN SAYS, THE EARLIEST HE'S HAD ONE DONE WAS WITH FIVE YEARS, HOPEFULLY, SINCE THERE'S ALREADY A STRUCTURE THERE, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE. BUT THEY'RE I'M LOOKING AT, YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I UNDERSTAND AND I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I HATE FOR US TO, TO, TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS. AND IF WE DON'T REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE THE TIMELINE, WELL. WELL, I

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[4.G Discuss/Act on approving the construction contract with Tiseo Paving Company, L.L.C., for the Crenshaw Road East Project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

ONCE WE GIVE THEM A NOTICE TO PROCEED, THEY WILL ARRANGE A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING. AT THAT POINT, THEY WILL LOOK AT GIVING US A DETAILED SCHEDULE TO MEET THEIR 300 DAYS THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THEIR MONETARY BID. AND THE LAST THAT WE HEARD FROM THEM WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE CONTRACT, THEY'RE HOPING TO START IN AUGUST. SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE CONTRACT. AND IT'S PROBABLY OF LITTLE OR NO RELEVANCE, BUT IT'S JUST ODD THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN A POWER OF ATTORNEY EMBEDDED IN A CONTRACT. WHAT IS THAT ABNORMAL? THAT WAS THE STANDARD CONTRACT THAT WE PUBLISHED IN THE RFQ THAT WE USED ON THE PREVIOUS CRENSHAW ROAD. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS STANDARD TO WHAT WE DO. YEAH. NO, I MEAN, LEGAL LOOKS THROUGH IT. AND LIKE I SAY, IT'S I MEAN, I'M NOT INSINUATING ANYTHING NEFARIOUS OR IT'S JUST ODD. AS YOU'RE FLIPPING THROUGH A CONTRACT, I SEE A POWER OF ATTORNEY. OR FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BOND THAT THEIR BOND, THAT'S THE BOND. THAT'S THEIR BOND. YEAH. THAT'S POWER OF ATTORNEY WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR BOND. YEAH. THEIR PERFORMANCE BOND. AND IS THAT IN STANDARD CONTRACTS. AND I'M JUST OVERLOOKED IT BECAUSE THIS ONE JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? IS THIS IS WE'RE GETTING A PAYMENT PERFORMANCE BOND. YES. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. NOT EVERY CONTRACT HAS PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BOND CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS TO EXECUTE SEAL, ACKNOWLEDGE ANY AND ALL BONDS UNDERTAKEN. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THIS IS A A BONDED JOB. NOT EVERY DEAL WE DO IS A BOND A JOB. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. CONSTRUCTION BONDS MAKE SENSE. WELL, IT'S ALSO A TOTALLY IT'S REALLY A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL. CORRECT. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME WORD, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USAGE THAN WHAT WE DO WITH AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO IT'S KIND OF FUNNY. IT PROTECTS THE COUNTY. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE CONTRACTOR WALKS AWAY, THE PERFORMANCE BONDS, PROTECTS YOU AND ALLOWS YOU TO REBID THE CONTRACT AND MAKES YOU WHOLE.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH TIZIO PAVING COMPANY, LLC AS PRESENTED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU BRENDA. THANK YOU.

[4.H Discuss/Act on updates of the Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Engineer) ]

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I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE INTENDING TO DISCUSS THOSE THREE CHAPTERS, BUT BUT THEY MIGHT. SO. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE HOMEWORK. YEP. QUESTIONS FOR MISS ERICA. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION, SORRY, IS THAT WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR LEGAL TO WEIGH IN ON THE APPORTIONMENT PORTION. SO. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR THAT SOON. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS A

[4.I Discuss/Act on a resolution involving The Air Quality Permit Number 183999 from the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]

IT'S A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT'S THAT'S APPLIED FOR THIS. IT'S A COMPANY CALLED AMP CORP LLC AND IT'S IN A DIFFERENT AREA, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THE AREA. IT'S LITERALLY THE ROAD IS IN MCLENNAN CHISHOLM. THE LAND IS IN THE ETJ OF MCLENNAN CHISHOLM. AND THERE'S TWO VERY NICE SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT DOWN THERE. SO THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. BUT THE RESOLUTION IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR. THE ONE THAT WE DID LAST TIME. I LOVE THIS. THANKS FOR DOING ALL THE WORK FOR IT, I APPRECIATE IT. I JUST HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. YES, SIR.

IT SEEMS TO BE AND IT NOT SPECIFIC MAYBE TO THIS THIS ONE THING, BUT WE SEEM TO BE HAVING AN ISSUE WHERE YOU SAID THIS HAPPENED THE DAY OF THE LAST COURT, WHICH WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.

THAT'S WHEN I GOT THE NOTICE. AND THEN WE GOT THIS LIKE THIS MORNING. AND SO IT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING MORE AND MORE WHERE I, I DON'T THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S NO TIME TO REVIEW ANYTHING WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I'M EXTREMELY TIRED OF GETTING THESE THINGS. THE MORNING OF AND LATE THE NIGHT BEFORE. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF SERVICE WE'RE PAYING FOR. WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THIS OUT BEFORE THAT, AND I'VE ASKED THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, WHY IS EVERYTHING AT THE LAST MINUTE? I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THAT'S REALLY NOT FOR YOU TO ANSWER. IT'S JUST TO BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF IT HAPPENING. NO, BUT BUT THANK YOU FOR DOING THE WORK. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID FOR THIS. I GET IT, AND ALL I CAN SAY IS. I DIDN'T GET IT BEFORE YOU DID. MATERIALLY. YEAH. YEAH. SO AND I'LL SECOND HIS I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING,

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AND I'M VERY THANKFUL WHENEVER WE GET WE GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. WE DO. I WOULD JUST LIKE THE.

IF WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REVIEW BEFORE COURT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE NIGHT BEFORE OR IN THE MORNING OF. I MEAN THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE ACCEPTED THAT IN THE CORPORATE WORLD EVER FROM ANYBODY THAT WAS PRODUCING SOMETHING FOR ME THAT I HAD TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE VERY NEXT DAY. WOULD NEVER HAVE WORKED THAT WAY. AND I WOULD HAVE MOVED ON FROM THAT PERSON. AND THIS IS HAPPENING ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT SPECIFICALLY.

YOUR COMPLAINT IS ABOUT LEGAL TAKING, CORRECT TO THE VERY LAST TIME TO REVIEW. OKAY. YEAH, THEY CAN TAKE THEIR TIME TO REVIEW, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A DEADLINE THAT IT SHOULDN'T COME IN THE DAY OF THE MEETING. IT SHOULDN'T COME IN THE NIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. I'VE HAD TWO WEEKS AND THIS WAS A VERY SIMILAR RESOLUTION TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PASSED. SO TO ME, THIS WAS JUST NOT WORKED ON UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE. WHICH I DON'T. I'M NOT OKAY WITH. AND MEREDITH, IF I, IF I CAN ASK, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WE DO GET OUR PACKET, WHICH WE USUALLY GET USUALLY ON TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OF THE PREVIOUS WEEK, WE MAY GET SOME STRAGGLERS AFTERWARDS, BUT YOU HAVE A FORM IN THERE THAT HAS A BOX THAT SAYS LEGAL REVIEW AND LEGAL SHOULD HAVE EITHER CHECKED IT OR NOT CHECKED IT, AND THAT'S USUALLY SHOULD BE A CUE TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO WHETHER IT'S INTERNALLY OR IF IT'S IF IT'S EXTERNALLY. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT IS CORRECT. BUT I WILL SAY THERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THEY'RE TIME SENSITIVE, EVEN KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL REVIEW. AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. I MEAN, WE WE NEEDED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE A CONVERSATION TODAY. YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE WOULD GET LEGAL REVIEW BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT. WELL, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T. DID YOU GUYS GET THE MARK TO SHOW CHANGES VERSION OF THIS RESOLUTION? I DON'T THINK I DID OKAY. I GOT THAT'S WHAT I GOT ABOUT 6 OR 7 LAST NIGHT. YEAH. AND SO ONE THING YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO TO HELP US OUT IN THE FUTURE, AARON IS DOING WHENEVER YOU SEND IT, IF IT'S REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S EARLY OR LATE, SEND HOURS OF MARK TO SHOW CHANGES VERSION BECAUSE THAT MADE MY REVIEW VERY EASY. I MEAN, LITERALLY, I LOOKED AT THE CHANGES. OF COURSE, I'D READ IT YESTERDAY IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS, BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT AND I, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT, I'VE GOT IT HERE. BUT I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING. AND I APPRECIATE THE COURT LOOKING AT THIS ON AN EXPEDITED BASIS BECAUSE, AS JUDGE SAID, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE STUCK IN A IN A TIME WE HAVE TO RESPOND. AND IF WE WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT COURT MEETING, WE'D BE TOO LATE. AGREED. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A RESOLUTION, MAKE A MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION. MAKE A MOTION TO SIGN RESOLUTION. I MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ONE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION CONCERNING TC AIR QUALITY STANDARD PERMIT REGISTRATION NUMBER 183999, FILED BY AM CORP LLC TWO DIRECT THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE AND TRANSMIT IT AS PROVIDED IN THE RESOLUTION, AND THREE AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY'S GENERAL COUNSEL TO FILE THE RESOLUTION AS THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC COMMENT AND REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC MEETING, AND TO TAKE THE ACTIONS DESCRIBED IN THE RESOLUTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM

[4.J Discuss/Act on a Cooperative Agreement for Cedar Creek Site 9 repairs with Texas State Soil & Water Conservation, TSSWCB CONTRACT NUMBER: CDR9-REP-ST2-056-27, and all related issues; (Judge New) ]

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GOTCHA. ALL. SO I READ THAT DIFFERENTLY. AND YOU HAVE LAWYERS EYES AND I HAVE COUNTY JUDGE EYES. I TOOK THAT AS THE AMOUNT WE'RE REIMBURSED FOR ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT. DID I READ THAT WRONG? ADMINISTRATION. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME BECAUSE BECAUSE OF OUR ADMINISTRATION COSTS, WE'RE THE SPONSOR, RIGHT? CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT. I DO TOO. THAT WOULD BE A REAL GOOD, REAL GOOD RESULT THAT THAT WOULD BE A REAL GOOD RESULT, A GOOD RESULT. YEP. 84,000 THAT THAT WELL, WELL, THERE'S ACTUAL COST WITH, WITH ADMINISTERING, PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID. I MEAN THERE'S ACTUAL COST. SO OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR CEDAR CREEK SITE NUMBER NINE REPAIRS WITH THE TEXAS STATE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. TSWCB CONTRACT NUMBER CDR9-REPST2-056-27. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES,

[4.K Discuss/Act on Resolution and Order approving a Professional Services Agreement with Kimley-Horn, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy - County Engineer) ]

THEY'RE ADDING ON TO THE BILL ON TOP OF WHAT THEY BILL US. I WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE REMOVED.

AND THEN THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING WHICH IS TO ME VERY UNUSUAL. A PERCENTAGE OF LABOR FEE WILL BE ADDED TO EACH INVOICE TO COVER CERTAIN OTHER EXPENSES, SUCH AS AS TO THESE TASKS SUCH AS TELECOMMUNICATIONS, IN-HOUSE REPRODUCTION, POSTAGE, DA DA DA. I WOULD I WOULD ASK THAT THEY REMOVE THAT. THOSE ARE UNNECESSARY. IT'S JUST A WAY OF STACKING IT ON, AND I WOULD PREFER NOT TO PAY IT. THOSE SAME THINGS COME UP IN THEIR STANDARD PROVISIONS ON THE BACK IN SECTION ONE OF THEIR STANDARD PROVISIONS. SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. OTHER THAN THAT, THANKS FOR GETTING THIS DONE. ALL RIGHT. SO PROCEDURALLY, DO WE WANT TO SEND THAT BACK TO KIMLEY-HORN OR JUDGE. I WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT WITH THE CHANGES AND SEE IF THEY SIGN IT. AND IF THEY DON'T, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON NEXT COURT. THAT'S AN EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT. OR OR THESE ITEMS. NOT IN OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'D

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[4.L Discuss/Act on approving the updated Rockwall County Winter Weather plan and guide, and all related issues; (Judge New - Emergency Management Director) ]

AND WE'VE CHANGED THE DEPARTMENTS AROUND. ERICA BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF TRYING TO HAVE A TIERED SYSTEM OF ROADS, TIER ONE ROADS, TIER TWO ROADS, SO THAT WE COULD WE COULD HAVE A PRIORITY LIST AND HAVE SOME, SOME EXPECTATIONS THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE LANGUAGE. THEN WE KIND OF JUST DIDN'T CLEAN UP A TON MORE THAN THAT REALLY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF MAKES ME GIGGLE IS THAT WE ORIGINALLY WROTE THIS SO THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO GIVE SAND TO CITIES BECAUSE WE HAD A WINTER EVENT AND WE HAD A BUNCH OF

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SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S THE GENESIS OF WHERE IT IS. AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE JUST KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO YOU GUYS FOR FOR QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE BASICALLY A MANUAL AND THEN A POLICY SO THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, BUT IT IS A STATEMENT.

I LIKE THAT WE HAVE THE SIGNIFICANT EVENTS LOG THAT DRIVES ALL DEPARTMENTS. THE EVENT CREATES THE LOG. AND THEN ALL DEPARTMENTS ESSENTIALLY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT LOG. SO I LIKE THAT A LOT BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT EASY TO DO A PRE ACTION ACTION AND AN AFTER ACTION REPORT. ALL, ALL BASED ON DATA WE'VE COLLECTED IN THAT SIGNIFICANT EVENTS LOG. YEAH.

AND THAT REALLY HELPS US ON THE BACK END TO IDENTIFY FUTURE AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT. SO AS WE START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, EVERY SINGLE DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IS ALWAYS THE FIRST THING THAT GETS LISTED IS WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. SO IF WE CAN IDENTIFY BY LOGGING INFORMATION, WE'RE THOSE BREAKDOWNS WHERE WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE NEXT ONE AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS? I MIGHT. SO THIS IS ALL DURING THE OPERATIONAL PERIODS DURING A WINTER WEATHER EVENTS. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. AND BUT HOW WHAT'S A WINTER WEATHER EVENT? HOW IS THAT DEFINED? SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE JUDGE'S DISCRETION OF WHEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY ENACT THIS PLAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT COULD BE ICE, IT COULD BE SNOW. IT'S HARD TO WRITE A SPECIFIC THRESHOLD OF WHEN. WHAT IS A WINTER WEATHER EVENT? FAIR ENOUGH. AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO LET THE JUDGE DEFINE IT. I JUST DON'T THINK IT SAYS THAT IN HERE. SO YOU MAY WANT TO ADD THAT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL TRIGGERED BY THE OCCURRENCE OF A WINTER WEATHER EVENT. SO SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME DECLARATION THAT THERE HAS BEEN. AND THE JUDGE I'M MORE THAN HAPPY THE JUDGE. WELL, THE POLICY SAYS IT'S ENACTED BY THE JUDGE. SO YOU CAN SAY DURING A WINTER WEATHER EVENT AS DETERMINED BY THE JUDGE. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. IT'S NOT MAKING A BIG POINT. YEAH. SO UNDER THE SECOND SUBTITLE OF ACTIVATION, THAT'S WHERE IT'S LISTED. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADD ON. WHERE IS THAT? WHERE'S THIS FIRST PAGE ACTIVATION BECAUSE OF WINTER WEATHER PLAN YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT WINTER WEATHER GUIDE DRAFT. I AM HE IS AT THE GUIDE DRAFT BUT DRAFT. BUT THE GUIDE DRAFT NEEDS TO SAY AS DETERMINED BY JUDGE THAT'S WHAT I. AND THEN AND THEN AND THEN IT'S DEFINED. AND THEN THAT STARTS EVERYTHING. YEP. PERFECT.

THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE HERE IS. UNDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ITEM 13. IT SAYS COORDINATE WITH MEALS ON WHEELS REGARDING OPERATIONAL IMPACTS. GREAT. I LOVE MEALS ON WHEELS. BUT IT KIND OF RAISED A QUESTION IN MY MIND, WHY THEM AND NOT EVERYBODY ELSE OR WHAT? I KNOW THEY SERVE MEALS, I KNOW WHAT THEY DO, BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE SERVICES.

AND IS THERE A SPECIAL REASON WE JUST ONLY COORDINATE WITH MEALS ON WHEELS? SO THE ONLY REASON THAT MEALS ON WHEELS IS LISTED OUT IN ALL OF OUR ACTION ITEMS, THIS ACTUALLY OUR GUIDE IS A INTERNAL GUIDE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD FROM YEARS THAT WE'VE BUILT UPON JUST ON, HEY, THIS HAPPENED AND THIS YEAR. AND SO IN ONE OF OUR PAST SNOW EVENTS, MEALS ON WHEELS WAS IMPACTED. AND SO I THINK THIS WAS BEFORE THEY COULD DISTRIBUTE THEIR EMERGENCY MEALS, THEY GIVE EVERYBODY SHELF STABLE 2 OR 3 DAYS IN CASE THEY CAN'T GET THERE. AND SO DON'T ASK ME WHICH YEAR, BUT IN A PAST EVENT, I THINK WE PROBABLY HELPED THEM COORDINATE ACTUALLY FEEDING DURING THAT. SO SO IT'S JUST BUILT UP OVER TIME. SO IF NEXT TIME THERE'S A WINTER WEATHER EVENT, IF STAR TRANSITS NEEDS HELP, THEN THE NEXT VERSION OF THIS WILL SAY COORDINATE WITH MEALS ON WHEELS AND STAR TRANSIT. YES, SIR. GREAT. HERE'S JUST I CAN'T HELP

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PARAGRAPH NUMBER FOUR. IF THE JUDGE ORDERS THE OFFICES OPEN, DO YOU ACTUALLY ISSUE AN ORDER SAYING THE OFFICES ARE OPEN OR DON'T YOU JUST SAY THE OFFICE? SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE MISSED BECAUSE IT WAS WE CHANGED THE VERBIAGE ON THE PLAN. THE FIRST DRAFT SAID JUDGE WAS GOING TO ORDER OFFICES CLOSED AND ISSUE AN ORDER TO OPEN THEM. IT GOT CHANGED TO WHEN THE JUDGE ISSUES AN ORDER THAT THE OFFICES BE CLOSED. HE SETS A DEFINED TIME FOR THAT. SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT. WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT. YEP. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST A QUESTION. WE GOT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SHOULD DO ALL THESE THINGS. DO WE HAVE ALL THE ROADS, WHETHER WINTER WEATHER EQUIPMENT WE NEED? ERIKA. KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO. SHE DOESN'T NEED TO WALK UP HERE. OKAY. AND I CAN TELL YOU MOST LIKELY NEVER WILL. AND THIS IS NOT BEING FLIPPANT ABOUT IT, BUT TO, TO HAVE TO BE READY TO SALT ALL THE ROADS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. JUST DO WE HAVE ANY SALTING ROAD EQUIPMENT? WE DON'T SALT THEM. WE PUT SAND DOWN SAND. WE THROW SOME SAND DOWN, WE SAND THEM. AND DO WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT DOES THAT? WE HAVE YES, WE HAVE SOME SPREADERS. YES. OKAY, GOOD. YES WE DO. THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE ISSUE TO ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS I'VE EVER HEARD IN A REGIONAL MEETING WAS SOMEBODY WHO CAME FROM UP NORTH SAID, YOU TEXANS DON'T HAVE ANY WINTER WEATHER PLANS. AND SOMEBODY IN THE BACK ROOM YELLED, YES, WE DO. WE WAIT FOR IT TO MELT. YEAH. SO WE COULD DEFINITELY USE MORE, MORE EQUIPMENT IF THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE. BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAND ROADWAYS. SO MAYBE WHEN WE'RE COORDINATING WITH NONPROFITS, WE SHOULD COORDINATE WITH CHURCHES TO PRAY FOR MELTING. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I GOT ON THIS ONE. OKAY, OKAY, JUDGE, MAY I YES, MA'AM. PLEASE. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHETHER OR NOT THE PARTICIPATING AGENCY SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE FOR THE PURCHASING SIDE OF OF ANY EMERGENCY? I THOUGHT SO, SINCE THIS WOULDN'T INVOLVE A DECLARED DISASTER, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE WOULD ACTUALLY PURCHASE. USUALLY WE DON'T MAKE A LOT OF PURCHASES DURING THE WINTER. IF IT TURNED INTO AN EMERGENCY, WE HAVE A HAZARD POLICY THAT'S. THIS IS LIKE A QUASI STEP, BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS HAVE A COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING BEFORE AN ICE STORM AND MAKE ALL THESE DECISIONS. AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE THE COURT JUST SAYING, COUNTY JUDGE, YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS, YOU RUN THE EMERGENCY, AND THEN WE WILL RECONVENE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS POLICY TRULY IS, IS, IS JUST AN EFFICIENT MANNER OF RUNNING A 2 OR 3 DAY ICE EVENT. YEAH. AND IF A DISASTER, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH ANOTHER PLAN AND POLICY HERE PRETTY SOON THAT WOULD BE ENACTED WHEN THE JUDGE DECLARES A DISASTER. AND THAT IS WHENEVER I ACTUALLY REQUEST SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE REPORT TO THE EOC. OKAY, SO OUR POLICY IS GOING TO HAVE A POLICY. ABSOLUTELY WILL HAVE A POLICY I LIKE. WELCOME TO GOVERNMENT. YEAH. WE'LL SEE.

WE'LL HAVE A POLICY. YEAH. THERE ARE DEGREES. SO THIS IS NOT TRULY ME DECLARING AN EMERGENCY OR A DISASTER. THIS IS JUST ME IMPLEMENTING THE WINTER WEATHER POLICY. ONE DISCUSSION I DID WANT TO BRING UP TO THE COURT WAS THE IDEA OF DURING THIS ONE AND KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, SINCE THIS IS A QUASI, IT HASN'T REACHED A FULL DECLARED DISASTER YET THAT WE UTILIZE A VIRTUAL EOC DURING WINTER WEATHER. THE PRIMARY REASONS THAT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO THAT IS I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO END WITH A MORE EFFICIENT EOC OF. RATHER THAN MAKING ERIKA SLIP AND SLIDE ALL THE WAY IN TO PHYSICALLY SIT IN THE ROOM WITH US, THAT EVERYTHING WE DO, WE UTILIZE THE SIGNIFICANT EVENT LOG. SO THAT WAY WE CAN TRACK IT, WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE REPORTS ARE DONE AND MADE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND MOST SAFE WAY. IF EVERYBODY IS VIRTUAL AND AT THEIR HOME, SAY, DURING A WINTER WEATHER EVENT, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ASSESSED PROPERLY? THAT'S MY ONE CONCERN WITH THE VIRTUAL EOC AND I WANT PEOPLE TO BE SAFE. SO DON'T DON'T TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY, BUT WE HAVE JOBS TO DO DURING THESE EVENTS AND IT'S NOT. AND FOR ME, SITTING AT HOME IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT KIND OF ISN'T, IN MY OPINION, REALLY THE JOB.

LIKE WE NEED TO BE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS WHAT WE DESIRE TO HAVE HAPPEN. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THE VIRTUAL. I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. SO AND THAT IS A PROPER CONCERN. I DON'T HAVE IT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S QUANTIFIED

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YEAH. AND I JUST AND I ECHO THAT, WHICH IS WHY I WROTE IN AN IN PERSON EOC UNDER THE POLICY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD TO GO WITH THAT. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE WINTER PLAN AS AND GUIDE AS PRESENTED WITH THE FEW EDITS FROM COMMISSIONER LICHTY. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. EXCUSE ME. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU JARED,

[4.M Discuss/Act on approving a change to the Rockwall County policy C.6 on Overtime Compensation, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty - Commissioner Stacy) ]

I'M GOING TO LET THE LET THE COURT KNOW THAT THE BENEFIT AND POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE MET ON THIS. AND IT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP COMP TIME, BUT EDIT THE POLICY THAT IT BE USED BEFORE VACATION. THAT IS NOT THE ONLY ACTION THE COURT CAN TAKE. WE'VE HAD A WHOLE WORKSHOP ON THIS, BUT THE POLICY IN FRONT OF YOU SAYS WE WILL KEEP COMP TIME, BUT IT MUST BE USED BEFORE VACATION. THAT'S WHAT WE LANDED ON AND THAT'S WHAT LAUREN AND I ARE RECOMMENDING THE COURT TO GO WITH. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL POLICIES. WE BROKE THEM OUT OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS IS A LOT MORE IN DEPTH AND WE'VE HAD A LOT MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. AND I DIDN'T WANT IT ALL LUMPED INTO ONE BIG POLICY DISCUSSION. SO WE JUST PULLED THIS ONE OUT. SO WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS. I'LL LET LAUREN ADD ANYTHING HE WANTS TO ADD, BUT PRETTY SIMPLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. QUESTIONS.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS CAN YOU WALK ME DOWN WHY YOU KEPT COMP TIME? IT SEEMS TO BE THE LIKE THE ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP WITH WHY WE CAN'T GET ON A BETTER PAYROLL SOFTWARE, WHY WE CAN'T. IT SEEMS TO BE A NUISANCE ALL THE TIME. SO WHY IS WHY WOULD WE? WHY WOULD WE

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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT'S GOING ON, IF IT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF THEIR BUDGET. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY USE COMP TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN A BUDGET. I NEED TO KNOW THEY'RE ABLE TO STICK WITHIN THEIR BUDGET. AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHY.

SURE MAKES IT MAKES YEAH, IT IT MAKES BUDGETING A LITTLE BIT OF A GUESS WITH COMP TIME. YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT I CAN SUMMARIZE WHY AT FIRST DO NO HARM IS THE CONCEPT OF THE POLICY COMMITTEE IS TO. LET'S FIX THE PROBLEM. THIS ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM THAT CAME FORWARD, AND ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE A DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. SO I'M JUST ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION VERY DIRECTLY. THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO THAT DECISION, IS THE COURT DECIDES, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO GO, THEN THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'LL GO. BUT THE POLICY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS LET'S FIX THE ISSUE THAT'S BEFORE US. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT IN REGARDS TO FIXING THE ISSUE. HAVE WE LOOKED AT IS THERE SOFTWARE THAT, TO YOUR FIRST POINT THAT YOU MADE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT WAY TO TO KEEP TRACK OF THIS? IS THERE SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED THAT COULD ADDRESS BOTH COMP TIME AS WELL AS VACATION TIME, OVERTIME AND EVERYTHING. AND WE COULD GET A REPORT TO HELP US WITH THOSE WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE. FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, I BELIEVE CONCEIVABLY THAT THERE IS, BUT I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH WITH WITH ANY AMOUNT OF ACCURACY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE'S NOT, BUT I WOULD THINK THERE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE WE'RE CREATING WORK WHEN WE DO THIS TOO, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING A WHOLE PAYROLL COORDINATOR IN THIS BUDGET TO DEAL WITH THESE KIND OF THINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING A SOFTWARE THAT POTENTIALLY CAN'T DEAL WITH COMP TIME. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE TREASURER DID ASK FOR PAYROLL COORDINATOR. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE TREASURER WAS A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AND HE THINKS THIS WORKS. SO HE'S HE'S HAPPY WITH IT. HE'S ONE OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. SURE. I MEAN, IT WORKS IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS IN, FOR SURE. PAPER TIME CARDS. YEAH, IT WORKS THAT WAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO CHANGE PAPER TIME CARDS? WE HAVE? DEFINITELY. IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IN THIS IN THIS BUDGET SEASON. YES. WELL, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION OF THE PAYROLL OFFICER. AND THE PAYROLL OFFICER HAS ASKED FOR QUITE A LOT IN THE BUDGET. SO I THINK THAT IF THERE'S ANY POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY ON THIS COURT, NOW WOULD BE A TIME TO REQUEST THAT OF OUR PAYROLL OFFICER. BUT THAT BEING SAID IN FRONT OF US, THAT BEING SAID, THE THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS WE THIS STOPS THE ISSUE THAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. IF THE COURT WISHES TO TO REMOVE COMP

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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT

[4.N Discuss/Act on policies presented by the Policy Review Committee, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty - Commissioner Stacy) ]

B6C2C5B3B5. ALL THOSE POLICIES ARE CORRECTING THE IDEA OF BEING AT WORK TO RECEIVE OVERTIME COMPENSATION. SO THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THAT IS. THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND THAT IS CLEANING ALL OF THAT UP WITH RECORD KEEPING AND AND ADJUSTMENTS. THEN WE HAVE D 11, WHICH IS CHANGING THE PHONE POLICY FOR IF WE'RE PAYING FOR A PHONE, WE'RE CHANGING THE DEFINITIONS TO BE ALL ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS IS THE EXPECTATION OF A COUNTY ISSUED PHONE. AND THEN ON D 12, WE ARE CHANGING IT SO THAT EMPLOYEES CAN RIDE IN COUNTY VEHICLES.

THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT IN THE POLICY. FOR SOME REASON THAT WAS AN ISSUE. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CLEANING UP. WE'RE NOT REWRITING A BUNCH OF POLICIES. I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT WE HAVE A SICK LEAVE. WE HAVE PAY PERIODS, WE HAVE HOURS WORKED, WE HAVE VACATION, AND WE HAVE PERSONAL DAYS THAT ARE ALL HAVING TO BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THE RECORD KEEPING IS CORRECT ON PAYING OUT OVERTIME AND COMP TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ADJUSTMENT IS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF POLICIES, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY DOING A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES. AS MUCH AS IT APPEARS WHEN YOU SEE A BUNCH OF POLICIES LISTED ON COURT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE IT PRETTY BRIEFLY. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL SUMMARY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THEN I'LL FIND WHAT WE'RE DOING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE POLICIES PRESENTED BY THE POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE. POLICIES C TWO, C5D11. AND I THINK THAT WAS IT RIGHT JOHN. NO, NO I MISSED ONE D 12. AND WHAT ABOUT B66B3B5. OKAY I MAKE A MOTION. SCRATCH THAT MOTION. JENNIFER I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGES PRESENTED TO THE POLICIES B6C2C5B3B5D11 AND D 12 AS REFLECTED IN THE MATERIALS PRESENTED TODAY. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU,

[4.O Discuss/Act on selecting a firm for Benefits Insurance Brokerage for Rockwall County, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty - Commissioner Stacy) ]

THIS IS BASICALLY OUR SERVICE ON, ON OUR INSURANCE CONTRACT. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO

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BY THE WAY, LAUREN AND I WERE IN ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT SO WERE THE TREASURER AND THE HR DEPARTMENT. SO THEY WERE ABLE TO MEET THE SERVICE REPS, MEET THE BROKERS, ASK THE QUESTIONS.

AND IN FACT, I THINK MANDY PRETTY MUCH LED ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THE BROKERS WITH THE ISSUE SHE HAS AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE INSURANCE PLAN, BECAUSE THIS IS BUYING A SERVICE, WE'RE NOT BUYING INSURANCE. SO THIS IS THIS WOULD BE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT THAT WE CAN TERMINATE WITHIN 30 TO 60 DAYS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE CONTRACT, BUT USUALLY 30 TO 60 DAYS. OUR CURRENT ONE IS A 60 DAY CONTRACT. SO THIS THIS ISN'T AS BIG OF A DEAL AS IT SOUNDS. THIS IS TRYING TO GET THE QUALITY SERVICE WE NEED TO EFFECTIVELY ADMINISTER OUR BENEFITS. SO WITH THAT I'LL LET LAUREN ADD ANYTHING. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS IT WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS TO TO GO THROUGH THIS. WE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS OTHER THAN THESE FOUR. BUT BASED UPON THE COMMENTS FROM ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, WE NARROWED IT TO INTERVIEW THESE FOUR. AND. IT SEEMED VERY I THINK IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO THE COMMITTEE WHO THE BEST. WE THOUGHT THE BEST CANDIDATE WAS.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER STACY MADE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, WHICH IS THIS IS A VERY TECHNICAL PROGRAM THAT'S ADMINISTERED BY OUR HR DEPARTMENT, AND MANDY AND CAMI WERE BOTH THERE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO THIS POINT, ANSWERING A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER STACY AND I HAD.

AND. WE NEED TO REMEMBER, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LIVE WITH THESE PEOPLE. WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT PROVIDER THAT I DON'T THINK HAS GONE QUITE THE WAY OUR FOLKS WOULD LIKE IT TO GO, AND WE HOPE FOR BETTER RESULTS IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE A BRIEF QUESTION ABOUT WAS THERE A GRADING SYSTEM, A POINT SYSTEM? HOW DID WE COME UP WITH? SO WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR CANDIDATES THAT THAT ARE COMMITTEE INTERVIEWED. THERE WAS A GRADING SYSTEM AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS THERE. SO WE HAD FOUR WE HAD FORMS TO FILL OUT, AND IT WAS A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF THE OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT INTERVIEWED EVERYONE. THERE WAS NO DISSENSION. YEAH. BASED ON READING THROUGH AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR WORK AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED. AND I'M GLAD YOU INVOLVED THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WORK WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS. GREAT. GREAT MOVE. BUT JUST READING THROUGH THE BRIEF HIGHLIGHTS THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE, THEY STAND. THEY CLEARLY STAND OUT AS AS THE BEST SERVICE. AND THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT, AND I THINK CAMI CAN BACK THIS UP, IS THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR LANGUAGE.

THEY ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD HOW COUNTIES OPERATE AND WHAT LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES COME, COME TO COUNTIES. AND SO WHEN WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO THEM, IT WAS LIKE, YOU GET IT. YOU GET WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE, YOU GET WHAT OUR PROBLEMS ARE. YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND HOW IT WORKS. BECAUSE AS A AS A PRIVATE INSURANCE AGENT, I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH A MUNICIPALITY. MAN, WE'RE A CRAZY WORLD. AND SO SO ANYWAYS, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE. THEY UNDERSTOOD LEGISLATION. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSE BILLS. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES THAT WERE THAT WERE GOING ON. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LAUREN PICKED UP ON PRETTY QUICK IS THE, THE STAFF, THE JUST THE, THE KNOWLEDGE OF STAFF. HOW LONG HAVE THEY WORKED WITH THESE FIRMS? I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE SHORTEST PERSON IS OVER A DECADE THAT WOULD BE WORKING ON OUR ACCOUNT. AND THAT MEANS A LOT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET SERVICE. BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD IN UNITED HEALTHCARE ARE OUR INSURANCE AGENTS. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THE CARRIERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE NEED SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS IT FROM THE CARRIER SIDE TO US. AND I THINK THEY WERE HEADS AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYONE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT BEFORE WE DECIDED WHO TO INTERVIEW WAS RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THESE FOLKS GOT STELLAR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THEM. I SECOND WHAT COMMISSIONER GALANIS SAID.

I THANK YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU DID IT. IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE REVIEW OF THE BREAKDOWN OF EACH ONE OF THEM, YOU DID REAL GOOD. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD THAT COMMISSIONER GALANIS SAID. BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THAT JUST DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH. AND I'M THINKING IF YOU ASKED ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS, DID THEY JUST LOOK AT YOU WITH A BLANK STARE AND NOT ANSWER ANY? SOME OF THEM DID. OKAY. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M INFERRING BY LOOKING AT YOUR RECAP HERE, BUT I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEIR, THEIR PACKET HAD MORE TO SAY AND MORE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCES THAT WE JUST DIDN'T PUT IN HERE. WELL, AND IT WAS, IT WAS AN INTERESTING PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, SOME OF YOU GET A VERY DIFFERENT RESPONSE

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AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH IS OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE. IF THE CURRENT BROKER HAS THE LICENSING RIGHTS OVER OUR CURRENT INFORMATION, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP THE HISTORY THAT'S IN THERE. BUT THE PRODUCT ITSELF OR FAMILIAR WITH AND THEY CAN REBUILD. YEAH, WHATEVER. YEAH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT PRESENTED, WE HAD TO SHIFT EVERYTHING TO THEIR PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE. AND WHEN THEY, IF YOU EVER BREAK THAT RELATIONSHIP DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S LIKE, NOW WHAT? BUT WE GET TO KEEP USING IT. SO IT WAS GOOD. I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO SEE IF THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, SO THAT WE KIND OF PREPARE FOR IT TOO THOUGH. YEAH. WELL, I LIKE THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THEY SHOWED THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE THAT WAS A LOT OF WHAT WE, WE USED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AND PUTTING TOGETHER OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I LIKE THAT A PARTNER WANTS TO REALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO ALL RIGHT, JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AWARDING HOLMES MURPHY AS THE BENEFITS INSURANCE BROKERAGE FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 1ST. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. I WILL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK LISA HAD A QUESTION. JUST WILL THERE BE A CONTRACT COMING BACK? SO YEAH, YEAH THERE WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE TO APPROVE. SELECT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES

[4.P Discuss/Act on an agreement with GoTo Communications Inc., to update to the county phone system, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy – IT Director) ]

I DON'T WANT HIM TO ROLL OFF. OKAY. SO WE'VE KIND OF TALKED THIS. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DECISIONS BEFORE US. SO MEREDITH MADE US A GREAT LITTLE POWERPOINT TO WALK US THROUGH THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IF IT WILL, IF IT WILL, IF IT WILL GO, MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING. JUST KIDDING.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY PART TWO. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING. ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE WERE ASKING THE QUESTION OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE BUDGET FOR TWO PEOPLE TO BUY ALL THE DEVICES. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS, IS THAT THEIR DISCOUNTED PRICES WAS ONLY A GUARANTEE FOR ONE DEVICE PER PERSON. SO IT JUMPS QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. SO IT DOESN'T JUST BECOME 46 TO 90 OR, YOU KNOW, 100,000. BASICALLY IT GOES TO 175. IT DOES NOT MEAN

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AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE MONTHLY WOULD BE FROM FEBRUARY TO OCTOBER. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE BILLED. WE COULD START THE TRANSITION TODAY, BUT WE WOULD BE BILLED FROM FEBRUARY TO OCTOBER. THAT WOULD BE $50,581. SO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE WHITE GLOVE IMPLEMENTATION IS 32.6. SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS GETTING SOMEONE TO ADD. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WHETHER THAT STARTS OCTOBER DECEMBER. NOW THAT IS A SET CONTRACTED RATE FOR THEM TO HELP US MERGE ALL THE PHONE SYSTEMS. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT ISSUES. CRAIG, LISA AND I HAD A MEETING AND BASICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SETTING THE MONEY ASIDE TO FUND THE CONTRACT. SO IT WOULD WE WOULD NEED TO BE SETTING ASIDE AROUND $225,000. THAT IS ADDING THE TWO DEVICES PER PERSON, PLUS THE GO TOS YEARLY AMOUNT.

SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE AFFILIATE, THE AFFILIATED. SO, SO THE AFFILIATED WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET TO START THE PROCESS AS WE WANT IT TO. OR WE COULD FUND AFFILIATED AND START THE MERGER NOW. SO I DID WHAT WHAT LISA LOVES AND I SAID, LISA, YOU HAVE TO FIND ME SOME MONEY.

AND SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND I, AND IT WAS, IT WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE YOU ON THE ROAD AND BRIDGE. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED $175,000 TRANSFER INTO ROAD AND BRIDGE TO MAKE THAT FUND WHOLE. THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY WHERE WE WOULD GET THE MONEY FROM, IS WE WOULD SAY, LISA, DON'T MAKE THAT TRANSFER. PUT THE $175,000 INTO THE CAPITAL PURCHASES FUND WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY, AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD FUND IT. SO I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AND CRAIG, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS NUMBER ONE. SO THIS IS THEM SAYING ALL THESE PRICES ARE GUARANTEED. THAT ENDS IN LIKE 3 OR 4 DAYS. THEY'RE GUARANTEED US. WE COULD WE COULD CALL THEIR BLUFF AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN OCTOBER. THEY'RE GUARANTEEING ME THAT THE PRICES WOULD GO UP ON ALL OF THE FIXTURES. BUT THAT IS US CALLING THEIR BLUFF. BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT, WE NEED TO FUND IT BECAUSE NOT FUNDING IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND AS CRAIG COULD SAY, IT ACTUALLY IS COULD BE REALLY BAD FOR US. IF IF WE IF WE DON'T. THE REASON IS THERE'S A REASONABLE DEFENSE TO NOT FUNDING IT. BUT SINCE WE HAVE A PHONE SYSTEM, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE BUYING TWO PHONE SYSTEMS. IF WE DON'T FUND IT IS REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. THEY COULD SUE US AND SAY, HEY, YOU HAD THE MONEY, YOU FUNDED MITEL, WHY DIDN'T YOU FUND US? YOU AGREED TO DO IT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THE IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FUNDED AT THE BOTTOM LINE. WE DIDN'T MAKE THIS DECISION OR WE DON'T MAKE THIS DECISION AS A COURT. SO I'M JUST I'M LIKE, I'M SAYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO TO BE BLACK AND WHITE. BUT THIS TO ME IS A BLACK AND WHITE DECISION. WE EITHER SAY WE WANT TO GO FORWARD, WE WANT TO FUND THE CONTRACT, OR WE SAY WE'RE NOT DOING IT UNTIL BUDGET TIME AND TAKE WHAT COMES. SO I'M WITH YOU. I AGREE, I THINK WE NEED TO FUND IT AND I THINK WE CAN FUND IT TODAY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE HOW MANY DEVICES WE'RE GOING TO FUND. LIKE I SAID, THE LAST TIME DOES THE PRICE. SO WE ONLY HAVE THE DISCOUNT ON THE ONE DEVICE THAT. SO IF WE BUY EVERYBODY A PHONE, WE GET THE DISCOUNT ON THAT, BUT NOT IF WE BUY A PHONE AND A HEADSET. THE SECOND DEVICE WOULD BE BUYING AT A HIGHER RATE. SO THE SECOND DEVICE PRICE, IF WE WERE TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO FUND TWO DEVICES RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BUY THE PHONE AND FUND THIS AND WE CAN GET A LIST OF HEADSETS. WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET, MAYBE. DOES THAT PRICE CHANGE FROM DOES THAT SECOND DEVICE PRICE CHANGE IN THE NEXT 3 TO 4 DAYS TO. OKAY, CRAIG, THAT IS PUTTING US INTO A SITUATION THAT. SO THE CONTRACT JUST PROCURES THE PRICE OF ONE DEVICE. IT DOESN'T MAKE US BUY THE DEVICES. SO, SO YES, WE COULD DO IT. WE COULD TODAY SAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS FUND THE AFFILIATE, THE ONE DEVICE PER PERSON, AND THE GO TO CONTRACT. AND THEN WE COULD ASK THE JUDGE TO PUT IN THE BUDGET THE SECONDARY DEVICE, BECAUSE THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT AT THAT PRICE. BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

YES, COMMISSIONER STACY, DOES OUR CURRENT PLAN HAVE HEADSETS FOR OUR DO WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE HEADSETS? BRIAN. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE HEADSETS. YES. DO YOU HAVE AN

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THAT'S ALSO A FRUSTRATING STANDPOINT. SO I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN. I WAS VERY UGLY AND DIRECT WITH THE VP OF SALES A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN THEY PUT THIS IN FRONT OF ME AND I SAID, MY COURT'S JUST GOING TO VOTE NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. AND THEY WERE VERY CAUTIOUS TO SAY THAT THEY WILL GUARANTEE THAT THE THAT THE PRICES OF THESE ITEMS WILL GO UP. SO THEY THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO GOOD BY US, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE TRYING TO FORCE US INTO A CORNER. SO THAT'S JUST I THINK IT'S A SALES TECHNIQUE, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND MAKE US BUY ALL THESE DEVICES FOR $75,000 INSTEAD OF 46. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS A BUDGET DECISION, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MAKING IT PRE-BUDGET BEFORE MY FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, AND EVEN THOUGH WE FOUND THE MONEY SITTING IN ROAD AND BRIDGE, THAT'S MONEY, THAT BUDGET TIME WE WERE GOING TO PULL OUT AND USE SOMEWHERE ELSE ANYWAY. SO THIS IS A BUDGET DECISION. AND AT SOME POINT IN EVERY BUDGET, WE GET TO THE BALANCING ACT OF HOW DO WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY? WE HAVE LIMITED FUNDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY AND MAKING THIS DECISION. I JUST WANT IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION, I WANT US TO REMEMBER FAST FORWARD INTO SEPTEMBER WHEN WHEN WE'RE REALLY FIGHTING OVER NICKELS INSTEAD OF DOLLARS, WE'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION HERE THAT THAT WE THIS IS OFF THE TABLE. SO NOW THERE'S THERE TRULY IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION TODAY. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE WRONG DECISION TO MAKE, I'M JUST WANT US TO GO INTO IT WITH OUR EYES WIDE OPEN THAT THIS IS A BUDGET DECISION. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? AND I'M I THINK I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU SAY WE HAVE TO FUND IT TODAY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY TILL FEBRUARY. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WHY, WHY ARE WE TAKING MONEY OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE? WE'RE NOT TAKING MONEY OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE. WE'RE NOT MAKING A TRANSFER INTO ROAD AND BRIDGE. WHERE WERE WE GOING TO TRANSFER THAT MONEY FROM? THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT, RIGHT? YES. WE LISA DISCUSSED WITH ROAD AND BRIDGE WHAT THE YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'VE RAISED AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND. WE DON'T FEEL THAT THAT TRANSFER HAS TO BE DONE. SO WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE THE TRANSFER. SO IT'S IN GENERAL FUND. OKAY.

SO WHEN WE SET THE BUDGET UP, WE SAID, HERE'S ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SPEND IN ROAD AND BRIDGE AND WE INCLUDED MORE PROJECTS. IF YOU ALL RECALL, WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT ERIKA AND HER TEAM TO DO MORE STUFF. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT WHOLE, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAD TO PUT A $175,000 TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND INTO ROAD AND BRIDGE. RIGHT. KIND OF LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE, WE WERE ABLE TO THAT THAT TRANSFER MIGHT NOT NEED TO HAPPEN. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN. SO WE WOULD THEN TRANSFER THAT MONEY IN A IN AN UPCOMING COURT, WE WOULD TRANSFER THAT MONEY INTO OUR CAPITAL PURCHASES FUND. AND THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME OUT OF IN FEBRUARY WHEN THEY SEND US THE BILL. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ROADS WERE NOT FIXING. COMMISSIONER. I WITH COMING FROM ME WITH NO ROAD, COUNTY ROADS, I'M SITTING THERE WITH YOU AND I'M THINKING THE ROADS ARE NOT FIXING. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S THROW IN $175,000 IN CASE WE FIND SOME ROADS TO FIX. I KNOW JONES ROAD HAS TO BE FIXED.

IT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET. WE CAN GO DOWN THE LIST. I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ROADS WERE NOT FIXING BEFORE I SAY WE'RE TAKING MONEY THAT WE EARMARKED FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES, DID WE EARMARK IT OR WERE THEY GOING TO GO OVER AND WE HAD TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY IN THE BUDGET? RIGHT? IT'S IN THE BUDGET WHERE THERE WAS THERE WAS A MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO BE MOVED INTO THAT. FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THERE IS A $10 FEE THAT WE COLLECT WHEN YOU GO PAY YOUR CAR REGISTRATION AND LAST BUDGET, WE EXCEEDED THAT $10 FEE, RIGHT? WE. AND SO IN ORDER TO GET THE ROADS WE WANTED DONE, WE BUDGETED 175,000 ON TOP OF THAT $10 FEE. SO I MEAN THAT'S

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ERICA, DO YOU WANT TO DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? NO. OKAY. I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO. JUST IS IT A TIME THING? WE DON'T HAVE TIME IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE 175 K IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET. SO WE WILL REBUDGET THAT 175 IN THE NEXT BUDGET. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT JUST A TIMING ISSUE OR ARE WE GETTING THE PROJECTS DONE WITH LESS MONEY WITH THE COST OF MATERIALS GO DOWN, IF WE HAVE MORE COLLECTION ON THE FEE? I HAVE NO IDEA. COULD BE A BUNCH OF THOSE THINGS. THIS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD WE'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO FUND IT TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO DO THAT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER STACY. YOU BELIEVE WE DO. AND COMMISSIONER GALANTI, YOU AGREED WITH HER AND THEY SAID CRAIG AGREES. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO. IT IS A BUDGET DECISION. I TOTALLY AGREE IT IS A BUDGET DECISION, BUT BUDGETING SOMETHING WITHOUT THE FUNDS FOR IT GETS YOU INTO A SHAKY LEGAL GROUND OF SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WE AGREE TO THIS CONTRACT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. NO, IT JUST SAYS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND IT. WE HAVE THE MONEY. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT OR NOT. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE HAVE THE MONEY OR NOT. WE HAVE THE MONEY. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE THE MONEY OR NOT. RIGHT? THE SITUATION IS IF WE DON'T ENCUMBER THE MONEY TODAY AND GET MOVING TOWARDS THIS CONTRACT, THEY WILL INCREASE THE PRICE AND WE WILL PAY MORE FOR THE SAME SERVICE WHEN WE DO THIS BUDGET LATER, AND IT WILL BE IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. SO THINK OF THAT 175 000 TURNING INTO 200 000. AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE TAXPAYERS MONEY UNNECESSARILY. WHEN THIS COMPANY IS TELLING US THIS PRICE WILL GO UP, WE HAVE TO DO THIS PHONE SYSTEM OR YOU CAN LOOK, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE HAVE TO DO THIS PHONE SYSTEM.

EITHER WAY, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE TODAY. WE CAN PUT IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET AND JUST SAY IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A BUDGET DECISION. I AGREE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. OKAY. WHEN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS A WEEK OR SO AGO AND SAID, HERE'S THE HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE PULLING A RUDY DO ON US, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT SUCKS, BUT OKAY, THAT'S OUR EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE FOR USING THAT LANGUAGE, BUT THAT BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYBODY WANTED. BUT WE'RE STUCK WITH IT. OKAY. SO AND THIS IS THE ONE WE WERE GOING TO PICK ANYWAY, SO OKAY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO FUND THIS TODAY. AND IF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE GOING TO CUT ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDING BY $175,000. I'LL TELL YOU, MY VOTE IS NO. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THIS NOW. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, DON'T WE HAVE TO? THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY TIME TO BREATHE. THE $1.469 MILLION OF ROAD REPAIRS IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE WITH THE MONEY IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND. SO WE'VE WE HAVE $1.4 MILLION. IT'S EXPECTED TO BE DONE. NO ROADS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM REPAIR WITH THE MONEY. THIS IS A REVENUE. THE MONEY IS IN THE FUND TO DO ALL THE REPAIRS WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING. THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE NEED TO SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY TO SHORE UP THE FUND? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS ISN'T TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM ROAD AND BRIDGE. ROAD AND BRIDGE IS A STANDALONE FUND WITH MONEY. IT'S NOT COMING OUT.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING IN. AND THAT THAT IS JUST HOW THE BUDGET WORKS. THE ROAD AND BRIDGE COLLECTS FEES. IT STANDS ON ITS OWN. AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, DO WE NEED TO SEND 175,000 BASED UPON US DOING THE WORK FOR THIS 1.469898 THAT WE BUDGETED FOR ROADS. WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY OF THOSE OUT. BUT IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THERE'S IF IF I UNDERSTAND, I MAY NOT THERE'S A THERE WAS A BALANCE IN ROAD AND BRIDGE AND WE SAID THAT WE WANTED TO PUT 175,000 IN IT, AS YOU SAID, TO KEEP IT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP IT AT A LEVEL. SO WE WILL BE DEPLETING WHAT IS IN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND. NO, NO, YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE HE'S ALL RIGHT. FIRST, I'M I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I TOLD YOU TO, THAT THE PHONE SYSTEM HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE NUMEROUS BUDGET CYCLES, AND IT HAS BEEN STRUCK FROM THE BUDGET FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE THE FUNDING WAS NOT THERE FOR FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO WHEN JUDGE COMMISSIONER STACY BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION, I SAID, WELL, WE'LL LET'S LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE MIGHT NOT NEED MONEY. SO I HAD ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS THAT PAYS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BILLS. I SAID, GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT THAT THEY WILL STILL NEED TO SPEND BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND BY DOING

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WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO, TO MAKE OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND LESS ROBUST, AS YOU SAID. YEAH. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY WAS TRYING TO DO WAS HE WAS TRYING TO UTILIZE 2026 FUNDS SO THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO NEED TO COME OUT OF YOUR TAX MONEY IN 2027. YOU KNOW, YOUR PROPERTY TAX. UNDERSTOOD. BUT IT'S COMING OUT OF TAX MONEY NOW, ISN'T IT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I MEAN IT'S TAX MONEY. WELL YES. I MEAN THAT WAS PROBABLY A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS. BUT HE'S TRYING TO UTILIZE 2026 FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED.

YOU'VE ALREADY SET YOUR TAX RATE. YOU'VE ALREADY BANKED ON THIS MONEY. HE'S TRYING TO USE THIS INSTEAD OF MAKING YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH IT AGAIN IN 2027. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. DID WE SO WHEN WE WERE HAVING AND I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT NEEDING TO SUPPORT IT WITH THE GENERAL FUND, DID WE JUST UNDER FORECAST WHAT WE THOUGHT OUR COLLECTIONS AND REVENUE WOULD BE IN THAT FUND? SO WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WE ANTICIPATED? I DON'T THINK IT WAS UNDER FORECASTED. I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME EXPENSES THAT YOU HAD SOME VACANCIES IN, IN YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT. SO YOU PROBABLY THAT YOU DIDN'T FILL. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR BIGGEST CHUNK OF WHAT YOUR WHOLE FUND COSTS YOU IS THE PERSONNEL SIDE. SO WE JUST LOOKED AT OPERATING, WE MEANING THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND RAN THROUGH IT WENT CALLED WAYNE SAID, WHAT DO YOU STILL THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE EXPENDING THIS YEAR? AND IT CAME CLOSER TO LIKE, I THINK, DO YOU HAVE THAT LIST? 1.5 MILLION, 1.71851501. YEAH. SO BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF CONFLATING THE ISSUE HERE A BIT BECAUSE 100%, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIKE WE'RE PULLING THIS MONEY OUT OF A ROAD PROJECT OR MAKING THE FUND LESS ROBUST. WE ARE THE WE PROJECTED THAT IT WAS GOING TO NEED AN INFUSION THAT IT DOES NOT NEED. YOU ARE CORRECT. AND WE ARE UTILIZING THAT MONEY THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO INFUSE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT TODAY THAT WE NEED TO SEE HAPPEN. AND THE REASON THAT WE ARE TRYING TO KIND OF ENCUMBER THE MONEY TOWARDS IT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH A CONTRACT. AND IF WE DON'T PROCEED WITH A CONTRACT, THE PRICE IS GOING UP. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING THE MONEY, WE'RE JUST ENCUMBERING THE MONEY REALLY. AND WE'RE NOT USING IT TILL FEBRUARY. GOT IT. COVERING IT. SO EACH OF THE PROJECTS AND BUT WE'RE NOT ENCUMBERING IT FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE. AND SO IS THERE EXTRA MONEY IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET. COULD WE TAKE IT OUT OF THERE? WE COULD WE COULD TAKE IT OUT OF CONTINGENCY. IS THERE EXTRA MONEY OUT OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S BUDGET? COULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THERE? YES. I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN CONFRONTED WITH. THIS MAY BE THE BEST PLACE TO TAKE IT. I WE DON'T WE COULD JUST SAY CONTINGENCY. GREAT. WELL, YOU CAN WHEN ASKING FOR LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, THAT'S USUALLY WHERE I START WITH IS ONE BLOCK OF MONEY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET THIS AT ALL TODAY. IF YOU WANT TO SAY GO

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WE'RE EITHER GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD. WE COULD JUST TELL THE AUDITOR TO JUST FIND THE MONEY AND IT WILL BE MOVED OVER BEFORE THE BUDGET. I JUST THOUGHT AS A POLICY MAKING BODY, WE SHOULD FIND THE MONEY AND SAY THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN EVEN GET TO A CONSENSUS, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE COULD EVEN TAKE MULTIPLE VOTES, THAT WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT X, Y, AND Z, AND THEN MAKE A VOTE OF WHERE TO GET THE MONEY FROM. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. I DON'T LIKE THIS.

I'VE HATED THIS FOR THE PAST MONTH. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BUDGETARY DECISION FOR OCTOBER 1ST. BRIAN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT WITH GO TO FOR IT TO BE AN OCTOBER 1ST THING. THEY CHANGED THE FIELD ON US AND I'M JUST REPORTING THE INFORMATION TO THE COURT. I'VE BEEN MAD ABOUT THIS FOR OVER A MONTH, SO MAYBE WE CAN JUST TAKE A VOTE TO TO FUND IT, BUT NOT, NOT IDENTIFY ONE SOURCE. OR MAYBE IT ENDS UP COMING FROM THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES. CORRECT. SO WE CAN DO THAT. YES. HOW MUCH IS IN OUR CONTINGENCY ASSUMING WE WE WERE GOING TO PUT THE 175 000 IN ROAD AND BRIDGE. HOW MUCH IS OUR WHAT'S OUR CONTINGENCY BALANCE? LET ME LET ME GET TO IT. YOU HAVEN'T USED VERY MUCH. AND YOU STARTED WITH 600 000.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. BUT YOU. THERE WILL BE SOME OVERAGES FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL NEED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THAT. SO I WOULDN'T JUST BANK ON ALL 600 000. RIGHT. ARE WE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING AHEAD, ASSUMING WE SPEND 175 FOR GET TWO DEVICES FOR EVERYBODY OR 48? I KIND OF LIKED BOBBY'S IDEA OF JUST, JUST DOING THE CONTRACT WITH ONE DEVICE PER PERSON AND THE GO TO SETTING THAT MONEY ASIDE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET ON EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A $100,000 PROBLEM. I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH, BUT THAT MAKES IT 100 AND NOT 200 AND SOMETHING. I LIKE THE IDEA OF ONE DEVICE PER PERSON TOO. AND IF THERE'S 10% OR SOMETHING, OR 15, WHATEVER THE NUMBER, YOU GUESS. BRIAN. GREAT. IF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO USE IT, THEY'LL THEN WE GET THEM THEIR EXTRA HEADSET. I DON'T WANT A HEADSET, I KNOW THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE. LISA, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE CONTINGENCY FUND OR. NO, I THINK WE'RE CLOSE. I THINK I CAN BANK ON THAT. SAY WHAT I SAID. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGREEMENT WITH GO TO COMMUNICATIONS INCORPORATED ON THEIR SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE CONTRACT AND FUNDED A ONE DEVICE PER PERSON WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES TO BE LOCATED AT A FUTURE DATE. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAC. LOOK, I LAUGH BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HURTS YOU TO SAY FUNDING AT A FUTURE DATE. IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT THERE AS FAR AS THE FUNDING GOES AND I WAS, YOU DID PUT THE FUNDING IN THERE, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE NOW. THE COUNTY HAS NOW NOT OR WILL GET IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. CORRECT. IT WILL BE FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET. I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET AND I WILL AMEND MY. AND YOU THINK LISA WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT YOU THINK BASED ON YOUR REVIEW, WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE IT OUT OF CONTINGENCY? YOU PROBABLY CAN. AND I GOT A TEXT FROM THE GIRLS WHO ARE LISTENING AT THE OFFICE, 581 $510,000 IN YOUR CONTINGENCY CURRENTLY, AND WE WOULD NEED 100,000 OF THAT. NOW, THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT, NOT 175 OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY AND AMENDED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MALIK. IF

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[4.R Discuss/Act on designating the Central Appraisal District Chief Appraiser to calculate and certify the County’s FY27 tax rate pursuant to Tax Code 26.04 (c), and all related issues; (Judge New – Auditor) ]

WE SET THE RATE. HE GIVES US A CERTIFIED VALUE SAID HERE'S THE EFFECTIVE RATE. HERE'S HERE'S THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THAT'S RIGHT. WE SET THE RATES. AND THEN I DO YOUR CALCULATION ON WHAT YOU NEED FOR M AND O AND I AND S. AND YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. WE DESIGNATE THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT CHIEF APPRAISER TO CALCULATE AND CERTIFY THE COUNTY'S FY 27 TAX RATE PURSUANT TO TAX CODE 26.04 C.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO

[4.S. Discuss/Act on approving the final plat of Lots 1 & 2, Block 1 of Highline Addition subject to approval of a Subdivision Waiver to Section 5.4.1 of the Rockwall County Subdivision and Land Development Regulations (RCSLDR) and conditioned on the applicant addressing all "Technical Commentary Impacting the Final Plat" comments and Comment F of the "General Conditions and Disclaimers" in the attached Highline Addition (Dollar General) Final Plat, Version #1 Review memo dated June 2, 2026. ]

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

AND I'LL AMEND MY SECOND. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA, AN AMENDED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACEY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER

[6. PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS/DISPOSITIONS]

[7. NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S)]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NON EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFERS SEVEN A, B AND C A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES PLEASE. PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT

[8. APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S)]

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. I'M ALSO SUBMITTING UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,096,356.96, AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA.

SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES

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GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. REGISTER

[9. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[10. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION]

SURE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST. CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

[11. COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS]

JUDGE. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN SEEING SOME TREMENDOUS LOCAL PERFORMERS IN WEST SIDE STORY. THE SINGING AND DANCING IS REMARKABLE. I DO NONE OF THAT. BUT THE SINGING AND DANCING IS REMARKABLE. IT TRULY IS. SO THAT'S THIS WEEKEND, FRIDAY NIGHT, AND THEN SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND SUNDAY AFTERNOON, I INVITE YOU TO GO.

AND THEN CONTINUING MY YEAR LONG EPIC OF THIS WEEK IN 250 YEARS AGO, JUNE 21ST THROUGH 28TH, 1776 JUNE 21ST, THE NEW JERSEY PROVINCIAL CONGRESS DEPOSED AND ARRESTED ROYAL GOVERNOR WILLIAM FRANKLIN, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S SON, NEW JERSEY, ALSO SENT A NEW DELEGATION TO THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO SUPPORT ANY RESOLUTION DECLARING INDEPENDENCE. THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEW JERSEY DELEGATION WAS CRITICAL TO

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IT'S HARD TO TRULY UNDERSTAND THE GENIUS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON, BUT CONSIDER THIS DURING THE SAME WEEK ON JUNE 23RD, JEFFERSON ALSO WROTE A DRAFT OF A STATE CONSTITUTION FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE VIRGINIA CONVENTION. AT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, OUR NATION WILL HAVE PASSED ITS 250TH BIRTHDAY. SO TODAY WILL BE MY LAST INSTALLMENT IN THIS SERIES. THANK YOU, EACH OF YOU, FOR YOUR PATIENCE TO LET ME DO THESE VIGNETTES FROM OUR HISTORY. I HOPE YOU HAVE ENJOYED THEM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I HAVE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THEM, AND IT HIGHLIGHTS JUST HOW LUCKY WE ARE. I MEAN, TO TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY AND TO BE IN THIS COUNTY AND SEEING ALL THE PEOPLE COMING OVER FOR FOR THE SOCCER, FOR THE FOOTBALL MATCHES. AND JUST THEIR AMAZEMENT WITH OUR COUNTRY. AND IT OCCURRED TO ME THE OTHER DAY THAT AT THEIR DEFAULT SETTING IS THEY'RE NOT FREE AND THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE JUST AMAZED WHEN THEY COME OVER HERE WHERE OUR DEFAULT SETTING IS, WE ARE FREE AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO. THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ME. AND MAN, WHAT A DIFFERENCE THAT MAKES. AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO 250 YEARS AGO. SOME PEOPLE TAKING A STAND AND SAYING, THAT COMES FROM GOD AND IT'S WORTH PROTECTING, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR IT. WITH THAT BEI

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