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          EVERYONE. IT IS 11:00 ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24TH. WE WILL CONTINUE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING AND EVERYONE WHO'S JOINED US HERE IN PERSON. FIRST 
          [2. Discussion of FY2027 Budget, and all related issues; (Judge New)]
UP TODAY WE HAVE OUR COUNTY CLERK, MISS JENNIFER FOGG. TAKE IT AWAY, MRS. FOGG. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD THAT MY SUPERVISOR OVER LAND AND VITALS, KARINA HARTLEY, HAS HANDED OUT TO EACH OF YOU. THIS. PAGE TWO AND THREE IS A SUMMARY. WELL, PAGE TWO IS A SUMMARY OF THE BUDGET THAT I'M ASKING FOR, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY BUDGET REQUEST REPRESENTS AN INVESTMENT BY THE COUNTY. AND I KNOW THAT YOUR FOCUS IS NOT SIMPLY ON ADDING POSITIONS OR INCREASING PAY, BUT WHAT VALUE THE COUNTY RECEIVES IN RETURN. MY REQUESTS ARE BASED ON THE NEED FOR EXPERIENCE, ACCOUNTABILITY AND RETENTION WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. MY EMPLOYEES ARE ENTRUSTED WITH ACCESS TO SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND MUST POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE, THE TRAINING, THE QUALIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO PERFORM THESE DUTIES ACCURATELY AND EFFICIENTLY. THESE ARE NOT POSITIONS THAT CAN BE FILLED AND LEARNED OVERNIGHT. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS NOT SIMPLY RAISES FOR MY STAFF. I'M ASKING FOR THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO RECRUIT, RETRAIN, I'M SORRY, RETAIN AND ADEQUATELY SUPPORT EMPLOYEES WHO PERFORM INCREASINGLY SPECIALIZED FUNCTIONS. EXPERIENCE AND INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ARE CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF MY OFFICE. WHEN EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES LEAVE, THE COUNTY LOSES VALUABLE EXPERTISE THAT TAKES A SIGNIFICANT TIME AND RESOURCES TO REBUILD THE COUNTY BENEFITS WHEN WORK IS PERFORMED CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME. I THINK MY STAFF CAN APPRECIATE THAT WHEN INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS RETAINED, WHEN EMPLOYEES REMAIN COMMITTED TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE, AND WHEN CITIZENS RECEIVE TIMELY AND ACCURATE SERVICE. MY GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE PERSONNEL, THE EXPERTISE AND CONTINUITY NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THOSE STANDARDS AND CONTINUE PROVIDING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE EXPECTED BY THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT AND BY THE PUBLIC. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COURT TO CONSIDER THESE REQUESTS AS INVESTMENTS WITH COMPLIANCE, EFFICIENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND LONG TERM STABILITY FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. JUST AS THE COURT VALUES EXPERIENCE, AND THAT INCLUDES UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS PLACED BEFORE YOU WHENEVER YOU'RE SELECTING OUTSIDE PROFESSIONALS. I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY BENEFITS FROM INVESTING IN EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES WHO UNDERSTAND THESE RESPONSIBILITIES AND CAN CONTINUE PROVIDING RELIABLE SERVICE FOR YEARS TO COME. ON PAGE TWO, WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK THE 108 PAGES THAT I SUBMITTED FOR MY BUDGET, AND I CONDENSED IT TO MY SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR EACH DIFFERENT FUND TYPE. SO IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE GENERAL FUND. I REDUCED THE OFFICE SUPPLIES BY $2,000 AND LOWERING THE AMOUNT FROM 12,000 TO 10,000. I REMOVED THE $1,000 SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION, REDUCING IT TO ZERO. NOW, IN DOING THIS, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE AUDITOR AND LEGAL DO NEED TO BLESS THIS. DUE TO MY MOVEMENT TO THE SPECIAL FUNDS THAT I HAVE RECORDS ARCHIVE AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT. SO AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT VITAL STATISTICS. I REDUCED CAPITAL OUTLAY BY $1,000. RECORDS MANAGEMENT. IF IT'S OKAY IF I MOVE ON TO MY RECORDS MANAGEMENT. YEAH, PLEASE. WE'LL WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AS, AS, AS THEY COME UP. SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING, BASED ON THE 84 OR 86 PAGES REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY HUMAN RESOURCES TO YOU AND TO LEADERSHIP. I'M REQUESTING CHANGING MY COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FROM A DEPUTY CLERK TO A CLERK ONE AND A CLERK TWO, CLERK ONE. I AM PROPOSING THE INCREASE FROM THE CURRENT PAY TO $41,174, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $19.80 AN HOUR. 
          THE INITIAL INCREASE THAT I'M REQUESTING FOR EACH OF MY DEPUTY CLERKS IN THAT CATEGORY WOULD BE PAID FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND THE COUNTY. AFTER THAT. CLERK TWO CHANGE AT FIVE YEARS OF EMPLOYMENT, THEY WOULD BE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THIS ANYWAY. BY THE TIME IF WE MOVE THINGS FROM 41, ONE, 72, 41, 174, AS A STARTING DEPUTY CLERK, THEY'D BE WITHIN A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS, A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THE 50,103 AROUND THAT TIME. SO WHAT I'M 
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PROPOSING IS MAKING A CLERK TWO AT THE MIDPOINT AT 50,103, WHICH IS $24.09 AN HOUR. AND AGAIN, THIS INITIAL INCREASE AT FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE KNOWLEDGE WOULD GO TO BE PAID FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT. THE SALARY DIFFERENCE FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEE TO MOVE TO CLERK. YES, SIR. 
          SORRY. SO YOU'RE SAYING FOR FIVE YEARS IT WOULD BE PAID OUT OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT OR NO? MY APOLOGIES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PAY THE ORIGINAL THE INITIAL PAYMENT FOR THE INCREASE FOR THAT EMPLOYEE FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND THEN THE COUNTY BE RESPONSIBLE. THEN THE FOLLOWING BUDGET. IT GOES TO JUST GENERAL. GENERAL. YES, SIR. THE SALARY DIFFERENCE FOR A CURRENT EMPLOYEE TO MOVE TO. CLERK TWO I HAVE ONE WHO HAS A DEPUTY CLERK IN THE SAME POSITION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES, HOWEVER, THEY CHANGE TITLES. AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS BASED ON TITLE BECAUSE WITH TITLE YOU GET AN INCREASE. SO IF YOU GO FROM DEPUTY CLERK TO SENIOR CLERK, THEN YOUR TIME STARTS OVER. SO THE DIFFERENCE FOR CLERK TWO DEPUTY CLERK WOULD BE 50,103. DUE TO EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE AND BEING THE SME, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOUR TIME STARTS OVER? SO WHEN YOU GET LIKE. LET ME THINK. SO IF SOMEBODY GOES FROM A DEPUTY CLERK TO A SENIOR CLERK, THEN THEY GET A PAY INCREASE. AND SO. LIKE CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO WOULD BE FIVE YEARS. AND DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? YES. SO IF THE PERSON IS A CLERK ONE AND THEY'VE WORKED IN AS A DEPUTY CLERK, AS A CLERK ONE FOR FIVE YEARS, THEY WOULD THEN BE MOVED TO CLERK. TWO IF THEY WERE PROMOTED TO A SENIOR CLERK OR CHIEF OR SUPERVISOR, THEN THE TIME OF ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS WOULD START OVER AT ONE YEAR FROM THE TIME THEY BECOME PROMOTED. AND SO I JUMPED AHEAD. 
          THAT'S LONGEVITY. SORRY. YEAH, SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. I DID JUMP AHEAD ON THAT IN THAT REGARD TO LONGEVITY, WHICH WAS THE NEXT ITEM. SO CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO, I'LL START OVER. I'M PROPOSING THAT SOMEBODY WHO STARTS IN MY OFFICE GETS PAID 41, ONE, 74 AND THEN AT FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, AND BEING THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, 50,103 IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THEIR PAY TO BE. CAMMY, WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW? AS FAR AS STARTING SALARY 37, EIGHT, FIVE, ONE. THE MIDPOINT CURRENTLY IS 4636, SEVEN. SO WHAT CURRENTLY IS 37851 IS WHAT SHE WANTS TO MOVE TO. 41174 CORRECT. GOING. AND THEN WHAT SHE WANTS TO MOVE FOR. 
          CLERK 2 TO 5103 WHAT IS THAT CURRENTLY AT? THERE'S NOT A CLERK. THERE'S NOT A CLERK. TWO THAT'S CREATING A SENIOR CLERK OR SOMETHING. THERE IS A SENIOR CLERK, BUT THERE'S NOT A CLERK. 
          TWO THAT'S DIFFERENT. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA STILL KEEP THE SENIOR CLERK. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING. THERE WOULD BE A CLERK, ONE, A CLERK, TWO, AND A SENIOR CLERK, AND THEN A SUPERVISOR AND THEN A DEPUTY CHIEF. AND THEN JENNIFER. THAT WOULD BE THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THE WHAT'S THE TOP RANGE NOW OF CLERK ONE? I GUESS IT'S NOT. CLERK ONE IT'S JUST CLERK. 
          DEPUTY CLERK. THE MAXIMUM SALARY IS 57.628. AND REMEMBER, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE ALL THAT 2.4%. SO THAT'S THAT'S CURRENT. SO YOUR RANGE IS ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO 2.4. SO IT'S ABOUT 6% ABOVE WHAT WE WERE INITIALLY TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. CAN I CONTINUE THE 50. LET ME THINK THE 84 OR 85 PAGES THAT YOU HAVE REPORT FROM HR. I WAS GOING THE 41174 AND THE 50,103 BASED ON THAT INFORMATION. SO I TOOK MY NUMBERS DIRECTLY FROM THE REPORT. AND I THINK I DID ASK FOR AROUND 41 LAST YEAR AS WELL. JUST TO CONFIRM THAT. 
          SHE'S REFERRING TO THE AVERAGE OF THE COUNTIES THAT WERE SURVEYED, THE AVERAGE STARTING SALARY FOR A CLERK IS 41174. THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE ADD. I'M LIKE ZOOMING ALL OVER THE 
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PLACE. OKAY, SO THE COUNTY CLERK LONGEVITY PLAN PAID FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT. IS I HAVE A POLICY THAT WAS ALSO HANDED TO YOU, AND IT WAS PAPERCLIP TO THESE PAGES. AND IT EXPLAINS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO FOR RETENTION PURPOSES IS CREATES A, A LONGEVITY PLAN FROM THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, PAID THROUGH RECORDS MANAGEMENT. I HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE IN THEIR CURRENT POSITIONS FOR FIVE YEARS IN FY 20. SIX, BECAUSE THEY JUST HAD THEIR ANNIVERSARY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PAY THE LONGEVITY FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE USED TO HAVE WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT WAS REMOVED. AND SO IN ORDER TO RETAIN PEOPLE IN MY OFFICE, I'D LIKE TO USE MY SPECIAL FUNDS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO, TO STAY. 
          SO WE USED TO HAVE THAT. YES, SIR. AND LONGEVITY OUT OF OUT OF RECORD. ANY NEW HIRES FOR THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE WAS DISCONTINUED AFTER I WAS SWORN IN OR DAN OTTO WAS SWORN IN. 
          WHEN WHEN WERE YOU SWORN IN? ELECTED OFFICIALS NO LONGER GET LONGEVITY, BUT THE REST OF THE STAFF DOES. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS. OH, WOW. OKAY, OKAY. WELL, WE CAN TAKE. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. SO DON'T DON'T DON'T ABANDON THAT IDEA YET. JUST WALK THROUGH IT. 
          BECAUSE. BECAUSE WE COULD PAY IT FROM MY RECORDS. MANAGEMENT IS WHERE I'M GOING. OKAY, BUT I DO HAVE SET AMOUNTS THAT I WOULD LIKE MY STAFF TO GET AT THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS IN EACH ODD YEAR AFTERWARD. SO YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY LOOKING TO HAVE YOUR OWN DEPARTMENTAL LONGEVITY PLAN DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSE'S? YES, SIR. OKAY. OR INCENTIVE MIGHT BE A BETTER TERM. YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU SAY, LISA, IT'S PART TIME REGULAR SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, MA'AM. HE WAS SO EXCITED TO SAY THAT USUALLY THAT'S ALL YOU HEAR IS MY VOICE ON THIS THING. REGULAR PART TIME EMPLOYEES HIRED AFTER 2011 WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR LONGEVITY PAY. SO IT'S JUST PART TIME. AND THEN IT'S THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. OKAY. YEAH. 
          THAT ALSO DON'T GET IT. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. INCENTIVE LONGEVITY. YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS AT LEAST CLEAR WHAT THE ASK IS. SO WE CAN WE CAN DEBATE THAT LATER. IT'S WHAT WE TITLE IT OR WHATEVER. BUT I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE ASK. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE PART TIME EMPLOYEES IN MY OFFICE FROM $15 TO $18.19 PER HOUR, PAID THROUGH RECORDS MANAGEMENT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE OFFICE SUPPLIES IN RECORDS MANAGEMENT FROM 12,000 TO 15,000. DECREASED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FROM 125,000, PLUS THE OTHER AMOUNTS PAID FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT DOWN TO 4650 TO COVER FIDDLER FOR PROPERTY FRAUD ALERT. WHAT FIDDLER DOES PROPERTY FRAUD ALERT. GOT IT, GOT IT. I'D LIKE TO REDUCE. YES, MA'AM. WHILE WE'RE ON THAT. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE REDUCING IT DOWN FROM FROM 125. WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 126 FOR THIS YEAR TO DATE, IT'S. 126 IS IT? 126 WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE. I GOT THE OTHER PART THAT LISA GAVE US LAST WEEK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IT YEAR TO DATE RIGHT NOW I COULD BE OFF BY $1,000. IT'S 125 MORE. WHAT DOES THAT ONE SAY HERE? I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. SORRY, SORRY, I HAD IT. IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE BUDGET AT 125. BUT YOUR ACTUALS ARE. 126108 SO Y'ALL ARE BOTH CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. IT TAKES A VILLAGE. SO SO AND HOW AND, AND, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE? SO I'M MOVING IT. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND. I'M MOVING IT. I'M YEAH, I'M MOVING THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS TO RECORDS ARCHIVE. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN A LINE BELOW. I'M REDUCING SOFTWARE FROM $50,000 TO 1200 ONLY TO COVER QUICKBOOKS. AND AGAIN, I DO REALIZE THAT MY MOVEMENT REQUESTS ARE AT THE BLESSING OF THE AUDITOR AS WELL AS LEGAL. I HAVE READ THE LAW, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I MIGHT BE MISSING SOMETHING TO REDUCE THE SOFTWARE. I ALREADY SAID THAT INCREASE DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS BY $150. IT WAS ZERO. THAT IS TO COVER SOMETHING THAT I INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS FOR PRIYA, AND THEN ADD $50,000 TO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES. SO WHAT I DID WAS 
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MOVED THE SOFTWARE TO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY OVER 5000. I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE A NEW MICROFILM MACHINE FOR $8,162, BECAUSE MINE IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE COVERED. AND SO I, I NEED THAT FOR MY MICROFILM. SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE MOVING MONEY TO CAPITAL OUTLAY TO MAKE PURCHASES, NOT MOVING THINGS TO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE TO MAKE PURCHASES. NO, I THINK I'M DOING BOTH. YEAH, YEAH. I MOVED THE 5000 FROM SOFTWARE TO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES. WHY? WHAT WHAT CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS? BECAUSE I MOVED THE SOFTWARE. I'M REQUESTING TO MOVE THE SOFTWARE FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ARCHIVE. BUT. BUT WHY ARE YOU CREATING A $50,000 OF UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE? BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE AT THE TIME I WAS PREPARING MY BUDGET. BUT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING SPENDING THAT MONEY ON SOMETHING VERY POSSIBLE? YES, ACTUALLY, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO A VENDOR AND ASKED FOR. AUTO INDEXING BOTS FOR LAND AND VITALS ON ALL ALL DOCUMENT TYPES, SO I KNOW IT'S GOING TO EXCEED THAT. OR WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WHAT? IT DEPENDS. OKAY. ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. AND YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT WAS TELLING YOU YOU NEED TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION. SO DON'T THINK THAT RIGHT. BUT WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN AN ANTICIPATED EXPENSE AND NOT AN UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES BETTER SENSE. SO IT'S TOTALLY FINE. IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING THING. BUT IF WE'RE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET BOTS, WHICH YOU HAVE, I WILL BACK YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH ON THAT. THAT IS THE WAY WE NEED TO GO. 
          WE JUST NEED TO PUT IT INTO A SOFTWARE OF. AND IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU DON'T GET IT. BUT THAT WAY WE. THAT. THAT'S WHAT. ANYWAYS. I'M SORRY. SO I SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT THERE IN THE SOFTWARE RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ON IT. OKAY. AND IT KIND OF MAKES TOTAL SENSE. IT HAS GOOD HISTORICAL INFORMATION TOO FOR YES, YES. AND RATHER THAN ASKING FOR MORE STAFF, I'M ASKING FOR AI TO DO THE JOB ESSENTIALLY. THANK YOU FOR THOSE TIPS, BY THE WAY. I APPRECIATE IT. RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ARCHIVE. SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ARCHIVE AND AGAIN, NEED LEGAL INPUT AND THE AUDITOR'S INPUT. THE TOTAL IS APPROXIMATELY 202 900 6385. FOR THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          THIS INCLUDES E DOC LASERFICHE GRANICUS VOTE CAST PROPOSAL. US ARCHIVES SIGN PROPOSAL EXECUTED SEPTEMBER OF 25. US ARCHIVES ANNUAL MICROFILM STORAGE. GRANICUS PEAK AGENDA MANAGEMENT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. GRANICUS CONTRACT ORDER. MIGRATION FOR THE CONTENT ON THE WEBSITE TO MOVE ALL OF THE THE MEETINGS AND MINUTES AND VIDEO AND EVERYTHING. GRANICUS SWAGAT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. CLOSED CAPTIONING AND TYLER EAGLE FOR MY LAND AND VITALS DEPARTMENT. LET US TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK. MOVING THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS TO RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ARCHIVE OR FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ARCHIVE. DOES THE ARC CAN THE ARCHIVE FUND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT GOING FORWARD, ASSUMING THAT THESE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP 10% EVERY YEAR? YES. THAT'S A THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE LADIES BEHIND YOU. DO YOU NEED THOSE SHEETS BACK? WELL, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, IF THEY'RE RIGHT AND IT WILL FOR PROBABLY ABOUT THE NEXT 8 OR 9 YEARS. YEAH, I THINK IT WILL. BUT LET'S HAVE THE AUDITOR YOU BLEEDING. THIS IS AND THIS IS REALLY SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE LAST YEAR I REMEMBER VERY SPECIFICALLY A CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT ARCHIVE FEES. AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT ARCHIVE FUND COULDN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT WAS. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING WE CAN MOVE 200 000 OF SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS INTO IT. WELL, AFTER OUR CONVERSATIONS LAST BUDGET CYCLE, I DID SOME RESEARCH AND I HAVE THE LAW HERE AS WELL. LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 118.025 REGARDING THE RECORDS ARCHIVE. AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M READING PROPERLY, IT SAYS THE FUNDS GENERATED FROM THE COLLECTION OF A FEE UNDER THIS SECTION MAY BE EXPENDED ONLY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S RECORDS ARCHIVE. THE FUNDS MAY NOT BE USED TO PURCHASE, LEASE OR DEVELOP COMPUTER SOFTWARE TO GEOGRAPHICALLY INDEX PUBLIC RECORDS, EXCLUDING INDEXING PUBLIC RECORDS BY LOT AND BLOCK DESCRIPTION AS PROVIDED BY 193009 B FOUR. CAN YOU. AND WITH THAT I. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I COULD BE 
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INCORRECT BY MOVING THINGS FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO FUND MY STAFF IN IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I THINK WE CAN MOVE SOME OF THESE THINGS TO RECORDS ARCHIVE. AND SO I WANTED TO PUT IT BEFORE YOU IN CASE IT IS AN OPTION. SO TELL ME ABOUT THE FUND ITSELF. IT'S REPLENISHED THROUGH FEES THAT WE COLLECT. IT IS $10 FOR EACH RECORD RECORDED OR FILED IN MY OFFICE. AND THAT RECORDS ARCHIVE IS $10 AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT IS ALSO $10. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SEE IT SUSTAINABLE TO COVER DUE TO THE CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR, IT, YOU KNOW, LIT A FIRE UNDER ME AND I WANTED TO USE THOSE FUNDS. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I'M ALL FOR USING THE FUNDS IF WE CAN, IF IT'S LEGAL, IF IT'S LEGAL AND, AND IT'S INTENDED PURPOSE AND, AND, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MOVE SOMETHING THAT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. AND WE PAINT OURSELVES IN THE CORNER AND LOOK UP IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AND HAVE A BIG BILL. YES, MELISSA. CURRENTLY THE FUND BALANCE IS APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION. YES, APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT WHAT IS ANNUALIZED REVENUE CURRENTLY FOR YEAR? TODAY IT'S 163,000. WHAT WAS IT LAST YEAR? HOLD ON. 
          I'M SORRY. 273 I THINK YEAH, I THINK SO TOO, BUT I COULD FLIP THROUGH MY BOOK, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING HERE. IS IT FOR THE SAME TIME FRAME? I MEAN, YOU SENT US THOSE NUMBERS THIS MORNING. MAYBE I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT THEM. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON TRACK TO BASICALLY HIT WHAT WE BUDGETED THE 225. CORRECT. WE BUDGETED 225,000. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON TRACK TO HIT THAT THROUGH TO THROUGH TODAY. BUT THIS IS AND LAST YEAR WE COLLECTED 273,000. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. AND IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS FEE. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE BEFORE I DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUR ATTORNEYS, CRAIG OR WHOEVER'S GOING TO DO IT, TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE US AN ANSWER. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE WERE LED TO UNDERSTAND LAST YEAR. YES, SIR. DUE TO THE CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR, YOU INCENTIVIZED ME TO TRY TO IMPROVE WHAT I'M DOING. WELL, IT'S IT'S JUST I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE I'M KIND OF LIKE, JOHN, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN MOVE IT AND TAKE IT, THEY'RE GREAT. YES, BUT IF WE CAN'T, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO CUT IT AGAIN, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS WE'RE TAKING IN MORE MONEY THAN WE'RE SPENDING IN THAT WEATHER. HOWEVER YOU VIEW IT, IT'S TAKING IT FROM OUR CITIZENS. SO. SO LET'S GET AN ANSWER. OKAY. RECORDS ARCHIVE PRESERVATION THE 181,000. AND SO BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THAT, I. I DO WANT TO REITERATE THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEES THAT I HAVE BEEN USING TO ENSURE THAT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WHICH I FEEL IS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY OF MINE, IS TO ENSURE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE, TO HEAR AND HAVE THE TRANSPARENCY AND AVAILABILITY OF THESE MEETINGS, TO BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND SEE THINGS ON THE NEW PROJECTOR SCREEN, TO USE THESE WONDERFUL MICROPHONES SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE SPEAKER SYSTEM AND WHATEVER ELSE I HAVE COVERED FOR THE CITIZENS. YOU NEED TO FIX THAT MICROPHONE. THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY, I AGREE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY. YES, SIR. FOR YEARS I'VE BEEN JUDGE FROM ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SEE AND HEAR. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND THE CLOSED CAPTIONING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT I DO AND PAY OUT OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT IS TO IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY AND EVERYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE CITIZENS, EVEN THOUGH I'M PAYING OUT OF FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED WHENEVER DOCUMENTS ARE FILED, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITIZENS TAXPAYERS BY USING THE SPECIAL FUNDS, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. RECORDS ARCHIVE PRESERVATION $181,173.84. THAT INCLUDES ONE PROPOSAL AND ONE CONTRACT. THAT'S IN PROCESS THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE PAID OUT OF RECORDS ARCHIVE. WHENEVER I DID THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROPOSAL, I INCLUDED TO THE RIGHT OF THE TABS WHAT EXACTLY IS INCLUDED IN THESE AMOUNTS FOR MY OWN SAKE, AND FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYBODY HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. YOU HAVE TWO CO FILE PRESERVATION LINE ITEMS 
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THERE. YES, SIR. AND SO I ASSUME ONE OF THOSE IS THE PROPOSAL. YES, SIR. AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THE CO FILE PRESERVATION. THAT'S 121 437 HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. NOT YET COMPLETED. AND SO WHAT I DID AS A CAUTIONARY MEASURE IS I MOVED IT INTO FY 27 AS A JUST IN CASE, SO THAT WE CAN PLAN AHEAD IF IT'S NOT FINISHED BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER, IF I DON'T HAVE THE INVOICE AND THE PRODUCT HASN'T BEEN DELIVERED TO ME YET, RIGHT NOW, OUR. OH, I'M SORRY. THANKS, JUDGE. RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND THAT FEE. IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING IN THE 2026 BUDGET, BUT I THINK WE BUDGETED LIKE 130,000 OR SOMETHING FOR IT. THERE IS IN THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SECTION. NO, THE ARCHIVE. THE ARCHIVE. THAT'S WHERE THE CO FILE THINGS ARE. 
          ARCHIVE. YES. YEAH. AND IT SHOWS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR 2027 OF 134 AND I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, IF I REMEMBER. RIGHT. BUT I DIDN'T GO BACK AND CHECK. YEAH, I DIDN'T EITHER. OKAY. I THINK I HAVE ABOUT 125 IN MAINTENANCE. SO I ADDED THIS LINE ITEM. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON MY SCANNED COPY BECAUSE I ADDED IT TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE AUDITOR TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S NO GL NUMBER RIGHT THERE. AND SO IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE CREATED BY THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. OKAY. BUT, BUT THERE WAS LAST YEAR WE HAD, WE HAD SOME ARCHIVE AGREEMENT AND I THINK IT WAS CO-FILED. IT WAS CO FILE. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS LESS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVED ALL OF THE BOOKS AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION. AND THEN THEY INCREASED IT BECAUSE SOMETHING IN THE PRESERVATION PROCESS HAD TO BE ADDRESSED AND INCREASE THE PRICE. SO I KNOW IT'S SURPRISING. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. BUT SO IF WE DID THESE, IF LET'S SAY WE WENT TO YOUR. 
          029 YOU HAVE THE SIDE ITEMS THERE FOR TWO CO FILE PRESERVATIONS WHICH TOTAL $181,000. AND WE DID THE RECORDS ARCHIVE FOR YOU. WE'RE BUDGETING IT AGAIN AT 225, WHICH MAY BE LOW, BUT IT'S PROBABLY IN THE RANGE THAT WOULD LEAVE US $43,000. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, JUDGE, BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS THE INCREASES. SHE'S WANTING TO MOVE OVER THERE FROM OTHER AREAS ARE TO REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE IN THAT FUND, WHICH, YES, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED A $2 MILLION FUND BALANCE IN THE FUND LAST YEAR, BUT EVERYBODY, EVERYONE EXCEPT ME THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY. SO THAT'S FINE. OH COME ON. NO, YOU. WELL, OKAY. 
          THAT'S MY MANEUVER, COMMISSIONER. THAT I'M SHOT. SHOTS FIRED. SHOT UP. SHE HAS. 
          TWO DAYS AGO. OKAY. TOTALLY FAIR. TOTALLY FAIR. BUT I WILL PULL THAT BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED A 2.06 FOR FUND BALANCE, BUT TO GET TO YOUR POINT, IF WE IF WE GET THESE TWO CO FILE CONTRACTS, MOST OF WHAT WANTS TO BE MOVED IN WOULD BE REDUCING THAT FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR. WE DON'T NEED A FUND BALANCE IN THAT ACCOUNT. AGREED, IN MY OPINION. AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT. SO I PLAN TO USE IT ON BOTS. SO I DON'T ASK FOR MORE STAFF. YEAH. OKAY. YOU TRANSITIONED TO BOTS BEFORE WE GET INTO YOUR PERSONNEL REQUEST. OKAY. DID YOU TALK TO OUR FRIEND IN TARRANT COUNTY? OR DID YOU JUST START DOING MORE RESEARCH? I WENT AHEAD AND STARTED DOING RESEARCH. OKAY. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO TARRANT COUNTY. YEAH, SHE HAD A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION AND HAS A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOTS. I'M ALL FOR GOING THAT DIRECTION. YES, BUT SHE WAS REALLY SHARP AND AND HAD A LOT OF TYLER INTEGRATION AS WELL WITH HER BOTS. CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT WHAT SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, SO I'M GOING TO TRY BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY INTIMATE. I AM NOT TECHNOLOGY SAVVY. SO WHEN, WHEN THE COUNTY CLERK RECEIVES FORMS, IT WOULD GO INTO A BOT THAT WOULD REVIEW THE FORM. AND THEN IF THE BOT DOESN'T LIKE THE FORM, IT REJECTS IT. AND THEN ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES HAS TO LOOK AT IT. AND THEN IT STARTS TO LEARN WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE FORM AND WHAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON THE FORM, AND IT CAN START PROCESSING PAPERWORK. SO A FILTER ESSENTIALLY, IT BASICALLY WOULD WORK AS A VERY, VERY SOPHISTICATED FILTER IF YOU WANTED TO. I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, YOU'RE SO GOOD AT 
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SIMPLIFYING THINGS. IT ALSO DOES DATA ENTRY. YEAH. AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW ME TO HAVE MY STAFF FOCUS MORE ON OTHER THINGS. AND TARRANT COUNTY HAS USED THESE WITH INCREDIBLE SUCCESS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. OKAY. AND SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN USE THE VENDOR WE'RE LOOKING AT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VET. BUT SHE HAS TWO BOTS AT TARRANT COUNTY THAT PROCESS OVER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PAPERS A YEAR. AND AND IT HAS INCREASED PRODUCTIVITY. IT HAS INCREASED MORALE AND EVERYTHING IN HER OFFICE BY HAVING A LOT OF THESE TASKS RUN THROUGH, RUN THROUGH THE BOTS. AND SO SHE GAVE AN INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION ON IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I BROUGHT UP TO JENNIFER. SHE REALLY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT IT LONG AND HARD BECAUSE THEY CAN DO AMAZING WORK. ONE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO ASK HER, AND YOU MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. AGAIN, ME OVERSIMPLIFYING WHY DOES SHE HAVE TWO? BECAUSE THE COUNTY CLERK HAS LAND IN VITALS AND HAS ALSO COURTROOM. 
          SO SHE HAS ONE SPECIALIZED. OKAY, SO SHE HAS ONE BOT SET UP FOR THE COURTS AND ONE BOT SET UP FOR PROPERTY BASICALLY. I MEAN, OKAY, SO BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT SHE HAS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE TARRANT COUNTY'S POSITION FOR THE LAST EIGHT BUDGET CYCLES IS ZERO. PEOPLE WILL BE ADDED. OH, WOW. THEY WILL NOT ADD PEOPLE, PERIOD, TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. AND AND THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE HELD THAT LINE FOR ALMOST A DECADE. AND SO TARRANT COUNTY IS STILL EXPERIENCING A LOT OF GROWTH. 
          AND SHE WAS FORCED AT THAT POINT TO GO THIS DIRECTION. AND THAT WAS WHAT SHE GAVE IN HER TESTIMONY. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL OF THE TAXES THAT YOU DO, YOU KNOW, FOR. I GET IT LIKE YOU WOULD ON AN EMPLOYEE AND HEALTH INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW IS SAD THAT COMMISSIONER STACY EVEN SAID THAT TO ME. SO THEY'RE LIKE, NO, PLEASE. WELL, NO, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS JUST THE COUNTY CLERK'S PRESENTATION. THIS IS. AND SO I WILL BE LOOKING INTO JUDICIAL BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS WELL. AND SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT SALESMAN FOR THAT DEPARTMENT. YOU SAY IT WORKS WITH WITH TYLER. DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT AS WELL? YES, IT PULLS IT. IT WORKS WITHIN OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE TO BASICALLY BE AN EXTREMELY SOPHISTICATED SCRUBBER OF RECORDS. AND, AND IT KICKS OUT THE RECORDS. IT DOESN'T KNOW. 
          AND IT'S AND IT'S I MEAN, IT IS A VERY BASIC FILTER. THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS DESCRIBING. IT DOESN'T THINK IT JUST SAYS, YES, THIS IS FILLED OUT CORRECTLY. OH, SOMETHING LOOKS WRONG HERE OR THIS DOESN'T JIVE. AND SO THEN YOU BECOME MORE OF A CORRECTING OF THE PAPERWORK. 
          AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY GOOD THAT THEY JUST MOVE THROUGH. AND SHE SAYS IT TOOK ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS FOR IT TO BE TRAINED. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I DIDN'T REALIZE TARRANT COUNTY HAD THAT MUCH MORE TO GROW. AND I AM I STAND CORRECTED BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THAT THEY ARE ADDING ABOUT 137,000 RESIDENTS, WHICH THEY'RE GROWING MORE THAN 6.5% EACH YEAR SINCE 2020. CENSUS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. IT'S PART OF MY PRESENTATION SINCE I WAS SWORN IN AS THE FORMER COUNTY CLERK, LISA CONSTANT WILEY. WHENEVER I WAS A DEPUTY CLERK HIRED BY HER. IT HAS INCREASED POPULATION IN ROCKWALL COUNTY BY APPROXIMATELY 60,000 PEOPLE, SO THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME ALL OVER FOR MY MARRIAGE LICENSES. YOU KNOW, YOU PROBATE FILINGS HAVE INCREASED MENTAL HEALTH FILINGS. YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY FILINGS ARE A LITTLE STALE, MAYBE AROUND 21000 A YEAR. BUT SO IT'S LESS BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THAT CAN CHANGE BASED ON THE MARKET, THE ECONOMY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE WORKLOAD, THE REQUEST, THE INCENTIVIZING THE PUBLIC TO COME TO MY OFFICE FOR THE MARRIAGE LICENSES, THEY COME FROM ALL OVER TEXAS, OUTSIDE OF TEXAS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT PRODUCES A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, JUST BY THEM BEING HERE AND VISITING. SO AND BEING THE MARRIAGE CAPITAL OF TEXAS. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE INCREASE IN POPULATION OVER THE LAST DECADE OR MORE BECAUSE OF MY SALARY STARTING AT AROUND $27,000 IN 2009, IF I COULD MOVE INTO MY THE REST OF MY BUDGETARY PRESENTATION. SO THE 37851 THAT WE PAY NOW, LIKE I SAID, IN 
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2009, I STARTED AROUND 27 AND SOME CHANGE AND NOW WE'RE AT 37. 851 STARTING PAY THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS GATHERING IS BASED ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT SALARY INFORMATION, PRIVATE SECTOR, AND I DID NOT COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES WITH WHAT HUMAN RESOURCES CREATED ON YOUR END. I COULDN'T I DIDN'T GET TO THE REPORT. AND SO I DIDN'T COMPARE EXACTLY THE COUNTIES THAT YOU COMPARED THEM TO. I'M NOT SURE I REALLY WANT TO PUT THESE AMOUNTS ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO HURT ME IN MY OFFICE AND MY EMPLOYEES OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD CONSIDER APPLYING FOR ME IN THE FUTURE TO GO LOOK AT WORKING FOR THE OTHER COUNTIES BASED ON WHAT THEY PAY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I LOOKED AT DALLAS COUNTY, I LOOKED AT HAYS COUNTY, DENTON COUNTY, MIDLAND COUNTY, TRAVIS COUNTY, JOHNSON COUNTY, AND I EVEN LOOKED AT THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CUSTODIANS WHO MAKE FOUR $42,960 TO START. THIS IS ALL ONLINE. THIS IS THROUGH THEIR WEBSITES. THIS IS THROUGH. INDEED. AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR LAW OFFICES. AND THE CITY OF FATE MUNICIPAL COURT ADMINISTRATOR, THE DOCUMENT PROCESSING CLERKS AND PART TIME PARALEGALS. I BROUGHT ALL OF THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION WITH THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR A REASON RIGHT NOW, BASED ON TODAY, WHAT A STARTING CLERK IS PAID AT $37,851 IS $18.20 AN HOUR. AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER FIGURES AND COME UP WITH THAT MATH. I KNOW THAT IT SHOULDN'T BOTHER ME, BUT IT DID. IF WE ARE GOING TO. HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THIS ONE. IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO MANUAL LABOR VERSUS IN THE AIR CONDITIONER OR, YOU KNOW, DOING THINGS THAT ARE DONE IN MY OFFICE. THEY BOTH BECOME EXPERTS AT THEIR POSITIONS. BUT WHENEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING THE PAY. I WOULD LIKE TO. I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON MY STAFF AND THEIR SPECIALIZATION AND THEIR SKILLS, THEIR SKILL SET. IT TAKES A LOT TO DO MY STAFF'S JOB, I ONLY KNOW, AND I CAN ONLY PLEAD TO YOU BECAUSE I DID THE JOB AND I'VE DONE IT SINCE 2009. I'M NOT SURE I COULD DO THEIR JOB TODAY WITHOUT GETTING FIRED. THEY ARE CALM, COOL, COLLECTIVE, AND SO INTELLIGENT. THEY BLOW MY SOCKS OFF AT HANDLING SITUATIONS THAT I APPLAUD THEM FOR, BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT ANY BETTER. BUT THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. THEY DON'T. IF THEY'RE PRESENTED WITH SOMETHING, THEY DON'T HAVE A DUMBFOUNDED LOOK ON THEIR FACE. WHEN THEY'RE ASSISTING THE CUSTOMER, THEY WILL FIND THE ANSWER AND THEY WILL ASSIST THAT CITIZEN PROPERLY. AND SO TODAY I, I BEG YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER MY REQUEST AND ALLOW ME TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT. I VISUALIZED A PERIOD AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE. SO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY CLERK BOB? I DO, BUT DO IT. YEAH. WAIT, WAIT. COMMISSIONER GALLINA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? JOHN'S ASKED SEVERAL ALREADY. AND YOU YOU'LL DEFER. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE MINE. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STACY. I LOVE THE BOTS. SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. A LOT OF THIS STUFF I LIKE I LIKE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK. I LIKE YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN. INCENTIVE PLAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY OF STABILIZING YOUR WORKFORCE, WHICH HAS BEEN VOLATILE OVER THE LAST LITTLE BIT AND NOT ALL YOUR FAULTS. 
          THANK YOU. SO I DO KNOW I HAVE TALKED TO MULTIPLE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT HAVE TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY DO POACH EMPLOYEES OUT OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. AND AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHO THEY ARE. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT TRAIL. NOT IMPORTANT. I 
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DO NOT LIKE THE GENERIC CLERK TO. WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS SPECIFIC JOB DUTIES THAT PEOPLE GO TO THAT BECOME CLERK TO. YOU CAN DISAGREE AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. I MEAN, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT IT AND YOU DIDN'T RESPOND, WHICH I'M LIKE, SHE DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. WE'RE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE AND STILL GET ALONG. YES. THE THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THE, THE PAY SYSTEM IS DESIGNED ON YOUR, WITH YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN, YOUR INCENTIVE PLAN, HOW OUR PAY RANGES WORK, HOW RAISES WORK THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO WOULD HAPPEN. SO A CLERK ONE IS GOING TO MOVE ALONG AND BASICALLY ABSORB INTO. CLERK TWO FROM A PAY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A MIDLINE AND WE HAVE A MAX THAT IS MOVING. AND AGAIN, IT'S MY OPINION. AND IF THEY STAY FOR THAT TIME PERIOD AND WE INCENTIVIZE THEM THROUGH YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT, HEY, AT THREE YEARS, YOU GET THIS INCENTIVE. AT FOUR YEARS, YOU GET THIS INCENTIVE, AT FIVE YEARS, YOU GET THIS INCENTIVE. THEY'RE BASICALLY GOING TO BE A CLERK TWO IN YOUR SYSTEM. IT'S SYNONYMOUS. SO YOU ARE PROMOTING SOMEONE WITHOUT REALLY CHANGING THEIR JOB. YOU'RE JUST MOVING THEM BECAUSE OF LONGEVITY. SO THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE AN ACTUAL JOB THAT WOULD BE ABOVE THAT AND YOU MIGHT NOT. AND I THINK THAT IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THAT IS A FRUSTRATING PART WITH HOW A LOT OF THIS IS ORGANIZED, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CORPORATE AMERICA, OR WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF THE TOP AND MOVING THEM TO A DIFFERENT BRANCH AND THEN PROMOTING FROM WITHIN AND MOVING STUFF AROUND THAT THERE IS THERE IS A STAGNATION THAT OCCURS. THE ONLY WAY THAT PEOPLE MOVE UP IS FOR YOUR PEOPLE TO LEAVE AND THEN PEOPLE TO, TO, TO FILL IN. THAT IS FRUSTRATING. AND I GET THAT. BUT MY ISSUE WITH CLERK TWO IS WE ARE CREATING A, A, A, ANOTHER PAY SCALE SYSTEM THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, PARALLEL TO WHAT CLERK ONE WOULD BE IF IT WERE TO. NOW, YOUR REQUEST TO GO FROM 37 TO 41. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND. I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF CLERK TWO. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I KNOW WHICH CLERKS PEOPLE ARE TARGETING. I TOLD YOU WHO THEY WERE BECAUSE THAT WAS INFORMATION. I SAID, THESE ARE THE CLERKS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING AFTER, AND YOU KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE. SO. SO JOHN, I WANT CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU SAYING THAT PROBABLY THAT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN ORGANICALLY? WHAT? IS REALLY, REALLY CLOSE? OKAY. SHE COULD ADJUST THE LONGEVITY PLAN TO CREATE HER CLERK TWO POSITION WOULD BE MY POINT. IF YOU JUST PUT MORE MONEY IN YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN. CLERK ONE CAN SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          CLERK TWO TO BE. I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT THAN TO, TO RECLASSIFY PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HERE WITHOUT REALLY CHANGING THEIR JOBS. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. AND I COULD BE OUTVOTED. I'M ONLY I'M ONLY ONE PERSON, BUT I'M ONLY SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT. I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN, YOUR INCENTIVE PLAN. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. AND YOU WOULD GET YOU GET MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD PLAN. I JUST DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THE. CLERK TWO I CAN'T GET PAST IT. 
          MAYBE YOU CAN GET ME PAST IT, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE INCENTIVE PLAN CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. CLERK TWO TO TO DO. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE RECLASSIFYING PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF THEY STAY, THEY WILL BE GETTING THESE RAISES. I MEAN, WE WE HAVE GIVEN OVER 16% RAISES SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON COURT. THE PROBLEM THAT THOSE HAVEN'T STUCK IS BECAUSE OF, OF EMPLOYEES LEAVING AND HIRING. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR PAY RANGES. THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF RETHOUGHT HOW WE'RE DOING OUR PAY RANGES. I GET ALL OF THAT. BUT IF THEY STAY FOR FIVE YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. CLERK TWO TO BE. AND IF THEY'RE NOT, JUST GIVE THEM MORE MONEY IN YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN. AND IT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE UP BECAUSE. 
          CLERK ONE CAN SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. CAN I RESPOND? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TITLES, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT RESPECT FOR YOUR POSITION. AND I'VE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I'VE SEEN THAT WITH MY SENIOR CLERKS, AND I'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE DEPUTY CLERKS. WHENEVER THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER POSITIONS. IT SOUNDS ENTICING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TITLE. LIKE, OH, I'M I'M A CLERK ONE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, LEARNING AND NOT HAVING ALL THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE. AND THEN CLERK TWO WOULD BRING TO THE TABLE ALL OF WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED OVER TIME, HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE, THE EXPERIENCE, AND THE WHEREWITHAL IN A MUCH HIGHER REGARD. THEY'RE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I LOOKED AT IT AS STARTING A NEW LINE FOR THE PAY SCALE. I, I WASN'T REALLY CONSIDERING THAT I WAS THINKING OF IT AS THE MIDPOINT OF THE SALARY ON THE SAME LINE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND MY RESPONSE AND I WILL BE QUIET AND LET EVERYONE ELSE TALK IS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT 
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YOU'RE SAYING AND IF YOU WERE THE ONLY OFFICE IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, I WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT, JOHN. SO WITH A QUESTION. SO IF YOU DO THIS RIGHT NOW, WE WERE TOLD THAT CLERK ONE GOES FROM CLERK THERE'S NO CLERK. ONE CLERK GOES FROM 37 TO 8 51 TO 57, 628. WOULD YOU REDUCE THE TOP END OF THE CLERK'S SALARY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CREATING A CLERK ONE AND TWO BIFURCATION. SO WOULD YOU REDUCE THE TOP END SO CLERK WOULDN'T GO TO 57628? CLERK TWO WOULD START SOMEWHERE AND GO BEYOND THAT. I WOULD NOT EXTEND THE CAP OUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. IF I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION PROPERLY, YOU REDUCE IT. SO THEY WOULD STAY ON THE SAME LINE. SO THE 411 70, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MAYBE NOT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE SHE'S PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE STARTING SALARY FOR CLERK ONE IN ORDER TO INCREASE. NO, NO SHE'S NOT, BUT SHE'S THE TOP SALARY FOR CLERK TODAY IS 57628, RIGHT? YES. IF SHE GOES CLERK ONE, CLERK TWO. MAYBE I SHOULD JUST START WITH THE QUESTION. WHAT WOULD THOSE TWO SALARY RANGES BE? IT WOULD BE THE SAME, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO GET THEIR RAISE. ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S ASKING IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE TOP CAP ON CLERK ONE, KNOWING THAT THEY NEED TO GET TO CLERK TWO AND THAT WILL PICK UP. AND WE DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO STAY. CLERK ONE FOREVER. IF YOU'RE CREATING A. CLERK TWO AND THEY'RE NOT COMPETENT TO. CLERK TWO IF THEY'RE NOT COMPETENT, I WOULD LET THEM GO. HE'S SAYING, ARE YOU GOING TO SHORTEN THAT RANGE AND HAVE CLERK TWO PICK UP AND BE THE, YOU KNOW, TOP END RANGE, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT. KIND OF THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. BUT IF YOU LEAVE THE TOP END WHERE IT IS FOR CLERK ONE, THEN IT'S SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT REALLY CREATING A PARALLEL. YEAH, YEAH. YOU JUST. COMMISSIONER, I'M JUST ASKING. YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SOME QUESTIONS. SO I SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STACY. OKAY. 
          WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE CREATING A I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT. CLERK TWO AND IT GIVES SOMEONE A TITLE AND A GOAL TO REACH. BUT THE THE DIFFERENCES IN WORK NEED TO BE DISTINCT. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISTINCTION OF WHY WE'RE DOING IT, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE. OTHERWISE I WOULD SIMPLIFY IT AND JUST PUT MORE MONEY IN YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN INSTEAD OF, I KNOW YOU WANT SOMEONE TO HAVE A GOAL TO REACH, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE HERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME THIS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS INCENTIVIZED LONGEVITY PAY BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO EARN. BUT IF YOU GO TO CLERK TWO, THE JOB DIFFERENCES REALLY AREN'T DIFFERENT. UNLESS CLERK TWO IS GOING TO OVERSEE SOMEBODY LIKE A CLERK ONE AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN CAN I RESPOND? YEAH. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT I DO AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT I DO, EVERYBODY IS CROSS TRAINED BECAUSE PEOPLE GET SICK. LIFE HAPPENS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW OFTEN IT HAPPENS THAT I AM SHORT STAFFED. I HAVE TO CONSTANTLY CROSS TRAIN, COME UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE SUPERVISORS COVER IN ABSENCES. AND SO IF I HAVE AND NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE TURNOVER. AND SO WHEN I LOSE PEOPLE FOR MORE MONEY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE REASONS FOR LEAVING IN FRONT OF ME, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T I CAN'T DENY LOSING ALL OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE LEFT FOR MORE MONEY. AND I WOULD LOVE TO RETAIN THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LOSING THAT KNOWLEDGE IN MY OFFICE IS QUITE PAINFUL TO ALL OF US. 
          YEAH, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE NOT CREATING ANY DIFFERENCES IN WORK FROM CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO IS WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY ALL DO THE SAME THING. I KNOW, SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY INCENTIVIZING ANYONE TO STAY FROM GOING FROM CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD BE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING THERE IS TRAINING YOU CAN DO TO GET THE CLERK TO FASTER. YOU'RE SAYING TO GET THE CLERK TWO IS A TIME CONSTRAINT, RIGHT? IT'S A TIME CONSTRAINT, JUST LIKE YOUR LONGEVITY PLAN. BONUSES ARE A TIME CONSTRAINT. SO EVERYTHING IS BASED ON TIME. SO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS YOU'RE CREATING TWO PARALLEL THINGS. YOU'RE CREATING THIS. CLERK TWO THAT IS ON A TIME CONSTRAINT, AND YOU'RE CREATING A LONGEVITY PLAN THAT ARE BOTH ON THE SAME KIND OF TIME CONSTRAINT. SO WHY NOT SIMPLIFY IT? IT'S ALL INTO LONGEVITY. YOU'RE ALREADY HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE. YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING IF THEY 
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DON'T DO THEIR JOB, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WITH YOU. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO THE TIME CONSTRAINT, RIGHT? MOST OF THEM WILL IF THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE CREATING TWO PARALLEL SYSTEMS AND I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. I CAN SEE I DO SEE THE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE. I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED TO CREATE TWO SYSTEMS TO GO THE SAME PLACE, IS ALL I'M SAYING. SO AM I UNDERSTANDING IT LIKE SO RATHER THAN HAVING, YEAH, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD SIT DOWN AND AND TALK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE REIMAGINE THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE A LOT OF THERE'S SO MUCH CHANGE COMING TO YOUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF TECH AND THESE AI BOTS, IF YOU ENTERTAIN, THOSE ARE GOING TO REALLY CHANGE SOME OF THE MUNDANE OVER AND OVER WORK THAT TAKES PLACE AND IT'S GOING TO SPECIALIZE YOUR PEOPLE MORE, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK OF HOW DOES THAT AFFECT MY WORKFLOW OVER TIME AS WE GROW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT LIKE A GRADUAL CHANGE, THREE YEAR FORECAST. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A COUPLE AREAS REALLY IS YOU FORECASTING OUT. I DON'T WANT TO BE REACTIONARY AND CHANGE EVERY YEAR. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS DEPARTMENT OVER SEVERAL YEARS. AND THEN WITH EVERYTHING, INCLUDING YOUR FUNDS, BECAUSE WHAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL WOULD TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE TOTALITY OF YOUR EXPENDITURES. AND OH, SURE. IT'S, IT'S, I GET WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO FOLLOW UP HERE WITH THE MONEY MOVING AROUND THE FUNDS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS NEXT YEAR COMPARED TO IN 27 COMPARED TO 26, WHAT DID WE SPEND OUT OF THE GENERAL RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND ARCHIVE? AND WHAT I'M AFTER IS I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE OFFSETTING WHAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING, WHICH IS ALL YOUR SALARIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT TAKES TO RUN YOUR OFFICE THROUGH THE FUNDS OVER TIME. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT'S TRACKING. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FORECAST OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE FUTURE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT MY GOAL IS, AND WHAT I TOLD YOU LAST YEAR WAS, I WANT YOU TO TRY TO OFFSET THE COST OF YOUR OFFICE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T YOUR FUNDS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CARRY THESE LARGE FUND BALANCES FORWARD. IF WE CAN RETURN THE MONEY TO THE TAXPAYER SOMEHOW, AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REDUCING YOUR FEES, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST USING IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE, AND IT'S HARD TO TRACK THIS WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT LIKE AS AN OFFSET IN A FORECAST. CAN I RESPOND? YEAH. SO WHICH I RESPECT, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. NOW THE IT IS A LITTLE HARD UNLESS YOU'RE DOING MY BUDGET AND UNLESS YOU WORK IN MY OFFICE AND DO OUR JOBS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, TRANSFERRING THE MONEY LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 250. 
          RIGHT. YOU KNOW, TO COVER MY STAFF SALARIES, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A RETURN TO THE TAXPAYER. 
          AND SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO USING SPECIAL FUNDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I AM NOT TRYING TO CARRY A FUND BALANCE. YOU KNOW, I COMMISSIONER LICHTY LIT A FIRE UNDER ME LAST YEAR, WHICH MADE ME WANT TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO USE THOSE FUNDS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED IN THE MANNER THAT IT WAS LAST TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS ARE INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL. BUT I DO WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, I AM STREAMLINING MY OFFICE. I HAVE STREAMLINED MY OFFICE, I'VE STREAMLINED THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND ALL THROUGH RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS, WHICH IS TAKING THE ONUS OFF OF THE TAXPAYER. AND I WILL TELL YOU ALSO THAT MY LAND AND VITAL SUPERVISOR IS WORKING ON BRINGING VIRTUAL MARRIAGE LICENSES. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY UP AND COMING. IT'S JUST NOT IN FRONT OF ME FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE BACKGROUND TO STREAMLINE AND TO OFFER MORE SERVICES TO THOSE, TO THE CITIZENS. SO IT IS IT IS HAPPENING. IT'S JUST BEHIND THE SCENES. YEAH. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS BUDGETING JUST BECAUSE YOUR FUNDS ARE SO ROBUST, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT EXACTLY HOW WE THINK. ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF US UP HERE, HOW HOW WE THINK IT SHOULD GO. THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU TO TAKE THE 300 ZERO FOOT VIEW OF IT AND LOOK AT IT IN AGGREGATE, AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS THE TOTAL IMPACT I'M HAVING WITH MY FUNDS VERSUS THE GENERAL BUDGET? WHAT CAN I OFFSET? AM I OFFSETTING EVERYTHING I CAN? BECAUSE I KNOW YOUR GOAL IS TO. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION LAST YEAR, SO OUR IS THE WAY THAT WE ARE TRENDING GOING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. IS IT ACCOMPLISHING THAT GOAL OR IS 
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IT NOT? AND AND THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S YOUR GOAL AND THAT'S AT LEAST MY GOAL. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP US LOOK AT THIS IN A SIMPLER FASHION THAN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TODAY. THE $384,000 THAT I AM USING, RECORDS, ARCHIVE AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS ARE. THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT, 384,000. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. 384,000 AND, AND, AND, AND ALL OF THE EXPENSES THAT IT HAS TO WORK ON BECAUSE OF COMMISSIONERS COURT, YOU KNOW, GOING LEFT BECAUSE OUR MICROPHONES DON'T WORK OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO. YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO TAKE THE ONUS OFF OF THE TAXPAYER. AND SO I WANT TO USE MY FUNDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I DO SEE THE GROWTH. I DO SEE THE GROWTH EVERY YEAR. I GIVE YOU AN ARCHIVE PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. AND WE HAVE A HEARING. AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO LOWER THE FEE OR KEEP IT THE SAME. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT. I HAVE A LOT OF VALUE IN WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING. YOU, ME, MY. I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STACY IN REGARDS TO THE CLERK. 
          TWO AND, AND, AND JUST HOW YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IT FROM A STANDPOINT, I COME FROM THE CORPORATE SIDE OF THE. YOU KNOW, AND SO AS FAR AS THAT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EMPLOYEES. AND I KNOW YOU'VE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO YOU. AND, AND I DO APPLAUD YOU FOR, FOR HOW YOU'RE WANTING TO TRY TO USE THE FUNDS FROM A STEWARDSHIP STEWARDSHIP STANDPOINT TO SUPPORT THEM. BUT YOU DO NEED TO WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE, THERE ARE REALLY A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TYPES. THERE ARE ONES THAT REALLY ARE THEIR MOTIVATIONS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. AND JUST GIVING THEM MORE MONEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THEY DO NEED TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE COMPETENCY, COMPETENCY AND SKILLS. NOW, FOR ME, SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF, FOR ME TO HAVE TO BE TRAINED IN EVERY SINGLE AREA PERSONALLY WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AS AN ME PERSONALLY, AS AN EMPLOYEE. 
          BUT IF THAT IS WORKING FOR YOU AND THAT IS WORKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S GOOD, BUT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO, THOUGH, JUST MAKE SURE. 
          JENNIFER, THAT THAT'S THAT YOU'RE NOT STRESSING THEM OUT TOO. I HAVE A VERY HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY STAFF, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT MENTALITIES AND DIFFERENT LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES. AND I HAVE TO RESPECT THOSE. I HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO WANT TO DO ONE THING ONLY, AND I HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO WANT TO DO EVERYTHING. I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ONLY WANT TO LEARN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO ARE COMING TO ME CONSTANTLY AND SAYING, I NEED MORE. PLEASE FEED ME, YOU KNOW, MORE INFORMATION. AND SO, SO CAPITALIZE ON THAT. I'M GOING TO. YES, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR BOUNDARIES, WHICH I DO. YES, FROM A BEST PRACTICES BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, THE, THE COUNTIES YOU SURVEYED THAT YOU SAID WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN FROM THE SURVEY THAT THEY CHA DEPARTMENT AND CAMI GAVE US. DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE USING ANY OF THEIR FUNDS TO. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU THREW OUT TRAVIS COUNTY A WHILE AGO, I HAPPEN TO KNOW A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THERE. THEY'RE ON A BOARD WITH ME, AND I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THEY PAY A LOT MORE. THEY PAY HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, OR I MEAN, THAT YOU'RE COMPARING THEM WITH. THE 49, IF THAT'S THEIR STARTING, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE HIGHER THAN THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THAT WAS FOR A CLERK. 
          ONE OKAY, THAT'S FOR AN INITIAL CLERK STARTING. YEAH, THAT'S THE STARTING RATE. YEAH. AND I, I TRIED TO COMPARE APPLES WITH APPLES SO THAT I DON'T COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES WHENEVER IT COMES TO STARTING PAY, RIGHT. SO AS PART OF THE GOAL, AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, IS TO HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES BE POACHED BECAUSE THEY CAN GO TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. WELL, I COUNTY AND OUR COUNTY OR EITHER IN SOME OF THE COUNTIES THAT ARE CLOSE BY. 
          RIGHT. AND I WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO AND WAS ASKED TO BE CREATIVE. I WAS, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION IS TO BE CREATIVE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. AND ALONG WITH THAT COMES INCENTIVIZING MY STAFF. AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD AN EMPLOYEE COME TO ME AND. THEY WANTED THE TITLE. SOME PEOPLE THAT ABOVE 
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ALL, THAT'S THE MOTIVATION FOR SOME IT REALLY IS. IT'S ABOUT THE TITLE. IT IS. AND I GET THAT. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO I WAS LOOKING AT CAMMY BECAUSE I. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE LINE. 
          THE, THE FINAL AMOUNT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE CAPPED OUT AT. SO I WAS TRYING TO KEEP THAT WITHIN THE SAME LINE AND NOT MAKE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM FOR THE PAY SCALE. RIGHT. OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND JUST MY COMMENTS FOR YOU MAINLY. THANK YOU. I JUST SO INCLUDING YOURSELF, HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK IN YOUR OFFICE? 19. AND HOW MANY UNFILLED POSITIONS ARE THERE CURRENTLY? ZERO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? JUST A COUPLE THINGS. MORE COMMENTS THAN QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION FOR WHAT YOU DO, AND I APPRECIATE THE VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION YOU MADE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT I DO HAVE COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW WE ALL REALIZE THIS, BUT THESE FUNDS ARE TAXPAYER MONIES JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. THERE'S NOBODY JUST CREATES THEM. IT'S PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY WHO PAY FEES. AND THOSE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND I KNOW WE ALL KNOW THAT. SECONDLY, I HAVE REAL CONCERN ABOUT CREATING A SECOND LONGEVITY PAY SCALE. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY COLLECTED IN AN OFFICE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL APPRECIATE THE DISTINCTION MAYBE AS MUCH. AND IF SOMEONE IS GETTING MORE LONGEVITY PAY IN ONE OFFICE THAN THEY ARE IN ANOTHER, I THINK THE FAIR QUESTION FOR PEOPLE IN THE OTHER WOULD BE, WHY? WHY DON'T I GET THAT FOR LONGEVITY PAY? SO THIS IDEA OF CREATING A SEPARATE LONGEVITY TRACK, I, I DON'T LIKE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK IT CREATES DISSENSION AMONGST OUR EMPLOYEES. AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. NOW. JUST TO ADDRESS THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, IF WE CALLED IT SOMETHING OTHER THAN LONGEVITY, CALLED IT INCENTIVE, INCENTIVE MERIT OR. WELL, I THOUGHT WHAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS AND YOU GUYS LIKE YOU, I DON'T THIS IS NOT WHERE I'VE COME GROWN UP SPENDING MY LIFE AND I HAVE A WHERE I'VE WORKED. I HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARILY FLEXIBLE COMPENSATION SYSTEM. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING EVERY TIME WE GET IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS AS WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH STANDARDS FOR OUR COUNTY. AND AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH A RE RE RE ESTABLISHING COMPENSATION LEVELS LAST TIME, WHICH I WAS IN FAVOR OF. WE ALL VOTED FOR IT. OKAY. BUT WE DID THAT THINKING WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND BRING EVERYBODY UP TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. AND INVARIABLY IT IT STARTS AGAIN, NOT BLAMING JENNIFER, BUT JUST IN GENERAL. 
          IT'S. WELL, BUT MY PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. OKAY, MAYBE THEY ARE. AND BUT BUT IF THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO, THEN LET'S FORGET ALL THESE PAY SCALES AND LET'S JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE BEST. LET'S JUST START PAYING THEM WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD AND SEE WHERE THAT WORKS. 
          IT'S NOT PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AND SO IF YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, MAY MASK IT, MAY HIDE IT FROM THE EMPLOYEES, BUT IF IT'S REALLY NOT AN INCENTIVE, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS, THEY GET IT. THAT'S REALLY NOT AN INCENTIVE. IT'S JUST STAYING. IT'S A LONGEVITY PAY. SO IF IT IS, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. CREATING A SEPARATE LONGEVITY PAY IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. PART OF IT IS I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE STANDARDIZATION OF TITLES, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO LIKE WE HAVE CLERK, ONE CLERK ALL OVER THE PLACE. A CLERK IN ONE OFFICE IS DIFFERENT THAN A CLERK IN ANOTHER OFFICE. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A CLERK IN ANOTHER OFFICE, BUT WE HAVE THEM ALL GROUPED TOGETHER. THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING AND TRYING TO ADDRESS SEPARATELY WITH THESE ONE OFFS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, COMMISSIONER. LIKE, I DON'T LOVE THEM EITHER, BUT WE GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION BECAUSE A CLERK IN THIS OFFICE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN A CLERK IN THE DA'S OFFICE, IS DIFFERENT THAN A CLERK IN THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. EVEN BY WHAT THEY DO, THEY DON'T DO THE SAME JOB. BUT WE HAVE THEM ALL GROUPED TOGETHER IN THIS LUMP. AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING, IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PEEL THIS APART AND PAY THEM TO 
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THEIR SPECIFIC ROLE FAIRLY WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT WITHOUT THEM. AND THE PROBLEM WE'RE CREATING BY HAVING IT ALL LUMPED IN TO SAY CLERK, IS THAT WE'RE TELLING EVERYONE THEY'RE THE SAME IN EVERY DEPARTMENT WHEN THEIR WORKLOAD IS NOT GREAT DISTINCTION. I GOT ZERO PROBLEM WITH CHANGING THE TITLES. I GOT ZERO PROBLEM WITH ANALYZING THEM SEPARATELY. IN FACT, HER IDEA OF GOING TO CLERK ONE AND CLERK TWO, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE TOP END COMPENSATION ISN'T CHANGING AND THERE'S NO DISTINCTION OTHER THAN TIME, WHICH I THINK IS WRONG, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YEAH. IF WE WANT TO SAY A A COUNTY CLERK CLERK IS DIFFERENT THAN A DISTRICT CLERK. CLERK, GREAT. NO PROBLEM. BUT LONGEVITY IS DIFFERENT. AND TO SAY, AND THAT'S WHAT I DIRECTED MY ATTENTION TO, IS THIS IDEA OF A SEPARATE LONGEVITY PACE STANDARD. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, IF WE SAY WE GET LONGEVITY, PAY IS AN EXTRA $100 A MONTH IN HER DEPARTMENT. THE GUY IN ELECTIONS IS GOING TO SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I'VE BEEN HERE THAT LONG, WHY DON'T I GET THE EXTRA $100? AND WHAT'S THE ANSWER? I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT ALL. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO STATE WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS ISSUE SPECIFICALLY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE COURT TO TRY TO PEEL THAT ISSUE APART AND DECIDE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT OR NOT, OR WHETHER WE GO DOWN THIS PATH. BUT THAT IS THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING OUR ISSUE, IN MY OPINION. REALLY. COMMISSIONER STACY, ALL GOOD, I THINK. 
          QUESTION FROM THE GALLERY. THANK YOU. THIS IS PERSONNEL RELATED, BUT ON A DIFFERENT TRAIN OF THOUGHT, I GUESS I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT DID YOU SUBMIT THE TWO PERSONNEL REQUESTS ON BEHALF OF COUNTY COURT AT LAW? ONE, WAS THAT FROM YOU? BECAUSE IT SAYS IT REPORTS TO THE COUNTY CLERK. IT WAS FROM THE JUDGE. IT WAS FROM JUDGE WHEELER. BUT. OKAY. AND HIS PERSONNEL REQUESTS SAID TO REPORT POTENTIALLY TO THE COUNTY CLERK. OH, SEE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO. I'M MEETING WITH JUDGE MESSER TODAY, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE, TO HAVE A BUDGET CONVERSATION. PLEASE, PLEASE SHOW HIM. COUNTY COURT OF LAW ONE AND COUNTY COURT OF LAW TWO THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT. I THANK YOU, SIR. SO WOULD THAT INCREASE MY HEADCOUNT IF THEY'RE BEING REQUESTED TO CALM DOWN? JENNIFER CALM DOWN. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE. OKAY. YEAH, TECHNICALLY. THEORETICALLY, YES. HEY, I MOVE EVERYBODY OVER THERE AND START TAKING MONEY FROM THE FUNDS. IF WE CAN DO IT. I MEAN, WHY NOT? IF THEY CAN HANDLE A GOOD RABBIT HOLE. I ALMOST FORGOT SOMETHING. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FEES AND IT'S OUR COUNTY TAXPAYERS PAYING THEM. I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND PAY THOSE FEES ARE NOT FROM OUR COUNTY. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE TAXPAYERS WITHIN THE STATE, POTENTIALLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY. EVERY TIME I'VE PAID ONE, IT'S ROCKWALL COUNTY. WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU LIVE EVERY TIME YOU PAID ONE. IT'S ROCKWALL COUNTY, CORRECT? EVERY TIME 125,000 OR 35 000 PEOPLE WE HAVE LIVE HERE PAY ONE. AND I WOULD THINK MOST OF THAT. THOSE FEES ARE FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY RESIDENTS. WELL, I GUESS WE CAN. A USER FEE IS WHAT THEY ARE. I WOULD I DON'T THINK THEY ARE MOSTLY FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY. WELL, OKAY, BUT A USER FEE IS A USER FEE AND I ACTUALLY LIKE USER FEES. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THEN YOU NEED TO USE IT FOR WHAT YOU'RE USING, FOR WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COLLECTING DOLLARS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE IT FOR RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEE, LET'S USE IT FOR RECORDS MANAGEMENT. IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR ARCHIVE, LET'S USE IT FOR ARCHIVE. AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, GREAT. I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS TO BE CONTINUED AT A AT A BUDGET MEETING VERY SOON IN THE FUTURE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I DO NOT OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S LET'S TAKE ABOUT A TEN MINUTE BREAK HERE. THANK YOU JENNIFER. AND JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, I'VE GOT A HARD STOP RIGHT BEFORE ONE. I'VE GOT TO RUN SIGN SOME JAIL INSPECTION DOCUMENTS. AND NOT THAT WE'LL STOP. IT'S JUST I'LL I'LL STEP OUT. WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE, CAMI? JUDGE WHITTEN WAS GOING TO BE HERE AT ONE, AND THEN BRIAN STARTS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE JUDGE IS FINISHED. OKAY, SO I'LL PROBABLY JUST MISS JUDGE WHITTEN AND THEN BE HERE FOR BRIAN. YEAH. IT'S TIME TO HAVE COURT. WE ARE DOING A BUDGET WORKSHOP AND OUR FIRST PRESENTER IS LEANNA WHITTON FROM JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT FOR JUDGE WHITTON. HERE YOU GO, SIR. YES. THANK 
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YOU. THIS IS ADDITIONAL MATERIALS. I TAKE IT? YEAH. GOOD, GOOD. WELL YOU CAN I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO START YOUR PRESENTATION. EXPECT IT TO BE INTERRUPTED AT ANY TIME BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF FREE WHEELING. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE FINE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I GUESS JUST TO START OFF WITH, I AM HERE TO ASK FOR MOVING MY FULL TIME OR PART TIME CLERK TO FULL TIME. THAT IS MAINLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY. I BROUGHT NUMBERS FROM SURROUNDING COUNTIES. I'VE BROUGHT THE ONES THAT I THINK ARE CLOSEST TO OURS ON ONE PAGE THAT SHOWS THEIR NUMBER OF CLERKS, ETC. AND THEN IT HAS EACH COUNTY SEPARATED OUT, AND THEN IT HAS ROCKWALL COUNTY. NOW I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT MY NUMBERS ARE ODYSSEY NUMBERS. OKAY. I WANT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOUR NUMBERS ARE IN HERE. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. JUST THROUGHOUT THE PACKET AT THE BACK. EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY ODYSSEY NUMBERS. WE HAVE WE USE THE ODYSSEY COMPUTER SYSTEM FOR INPUTTING CASES, ETC. FOR THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE RAN OUR NUMBERS FROM. SO IT'S BASED ON YOUR YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEMS FILES. YES, SIR. WHAT? THE INFORMATION IT PRODUCES. YES, SIR. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BINDER, IT HAS ALL OF OUR COURTS FROM JANUARY 1ST TO MAY 31ST, DIFFERENT NUMBERS, AGAIN EMPHASIZING THIS IS FROM ODYSSEY. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE OF THE LIKE THE THIRD. WHICH PAGE ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS TOWARD THE BACK? THERE'S A BUNCH OF TOWARDS THE BACK. I'M SORRY. THERE IS. THE VERY LAST PAGE IS MY OFFICE SUPPLY. THE NEXT PAGE ABOVE THAT IS THE 2026 YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS FOR MY COURT. THE PAGE BEFORE THAT IS 2021 THROUGH 2025. NUMBERS FOR MY COURT. AND THEN THE PAGE BEFORE THAT IS JANUARY 1ST THROUGH MAY 31ST. I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE. OKAY. AND THIS IS SHOWING TO HOW MUCH OUR NUMBERS ARE INCREASING. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S ARE, BUT WE TRIED TO SHOW THAT IN WRITTEN OUT FORM FOR Y'ALL, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE INCREASING THE MOST ARE YOUR DEBT CLAIMS AND YOUR EVICTIONS. YES. AND OUR DEBT CLAIMS, THAT'S BASICALLY LAWSUITS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. CREDIT CARDS, MOSTLY CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, CREDIT CARD DEBT, PEOPLE OVER DEBTS. YES, SIR. ALSO AT THE VERY FRONT OF THIS PACKET PUT. DIFFERENT FLOWCHARTS IN HERE. THAT SHOWS YOU ALL THE STEPS OF HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. FOR INSTANCE, DEBT CLAIMS. YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S DIFFERENT STEPS FROM A DEBT CLAIM AND A CRIMINAL CASE, OF COURSE. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL COULD SEE THAT AND HOW MANY STEPS IT TAKES TO, TO DO EACH TO DOES EACH. IN THE VERY BACK, I BELIEVE ARE AT THE VERY BACK. THIS IS THE OKAY. 
          THIS IS AN OCA REPORT THAT WE RAN FOR MAY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE Y'ALL A. AND IT'S AT THE VERY BACK INSIDE THE FOLDER. YES, MA'AM. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION I THREW AT Y'ALL AND I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT, JUDGE WHITTEN. NO NO NO. YOU I'M LOOKING THROUGH THESE NUMBERS. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CLERKS AND A HALF CLERK. YES, SIR. SO? SO YOU WOULD HAVE TWO AND A HALF CLERKS? YES, SIR. AND BASED UPON WHAT I'M SEEING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SIMILAR NUMBERS, MOST OF THESE JP CLERKS COURTS THAT HAVE SIMILAR NUMBERS TO YOU HAVE ABOUT FOUR CLERKS. YES, SIR. YOU WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S FAIRLY ACCURATE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE DATA IS KIND OF SHOWING. YES, SIR. FAIRLY ACCURATE. YES. YEAH. WITH THIS CASELOAD THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. YES. SO THERE IS A KIND OF ANOTHER PHENOMENON THAT WE'RE SEEING AS WE'RE DIVING INTO JP COURT. SO WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST BEING COMPLETELY HONEST. 
          CORRECT. AS A COURT I MEAN THERE MIGHT BE MEMBERS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR FOR ANYBODY ELSE IS. AND THAT IS IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE BACKLOG DOESN'T GO DOWN. YOUR BACKLOG KEEPS GOING UP. SO I GUESS A QUESTION, AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION, IS, ARE 
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THESE COURTS STILL HAVING BACKLOG ISSUES OR ARE THESE COURTS TURNING OUT? WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, HAVE THEY STAFFED THESE COURTS CORRECTLY TO MOVE CASES OUT? AND WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE STAFFED. SO OUR WORKLOAD IS IS OVERWHELMING US. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SPEAK FOR ANY OTHER JUSTICE COURT. RIGHT. JUST PRECINCT FOR COURT. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND SO I GUESS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. YOU'RE RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE. YES. YOU DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE AND START SAYING, I NEED FIVE PEOPLE. I NEED SIX PEOPLE. NO. NO, SIR. NO NO NO NO, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. SO SO, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME DEPARTMENT HEADS, SOMETIMES THEY JUST COME IN HERE AND START ASKING FOR THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ELECTED. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONSCIENTIOUS OF PEOPLE'S POCKETBOOKS, US HAVING TO RAISE TAXES. I GET ALL THAT. I GUESS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS A COURT IS WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH OUR JUSTICE COURTS. AND NOW I'M GOING TO FOCUS IN ON OUR COURT. JUSTICE COURT FOR. AND THAT IS, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THE BACKLOG MOVING? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO. DOES IT TAKE YOU HAVING YOUR OWN COURTROOM LIKE, LIKE, WHERE CAN WE GO TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT SEEING THESE CASES PILE UP BECAUSE WE CAN KEEP THROWING PEOPLE AT IT? BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S FIXING IT. AND I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION. DO YOU THINK IF WE STOOD UP A MAGISTRATE COURT, IT WOULD HELP YOU? TWO VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE I HANDLE COURT ON TUESDAY, THURSDAYS AND SOME FRIDAYS, AS NORTON DOES MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND SOME FRIDAYS. BECAUSE YOU SHARE A COURTROOM, WE SHARE A COURTROOM. I JUST JUST JUST JUST SO ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING KNOWS YOU SHARE A COURTROOM WITH TONY NORTON. OKAY? YES, SIR. WE. COULD. WE USE MORE DAYS THAN I'M LOOKING AT RAQUEL BECAUSE SHE DOES. SHE'S, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY. BUT THE PEOPLE, IT'S THE PAPERWORK THAT COMES IN THAT'S SO OVERWHELMING. I MEAN, WITH THE DEBT CLAIM, LET'S JUST START WITH THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU GET THE FILING, BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT FILING ON TOP OF IT. I MEAN, I'M STILL TOUCHING CASES FROM, I THINK, 2021. YES. 
          IS THAT OKAY IF SHE COMES? YES, PLEASE. WE WANT ANSWERS. YES. I TOLD HER TO COME SIT WITH ME. 
          THANK YOU. RAQUEL, FOR BEING HERE. OH. THANK YOU. SO OUR OUR STORAGE ROOM RIGHT NOW IS ALMOST PACKED. WE HAVE CASES FROM 2022, 2019 THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHRED SCAN INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER. THERE'S JUST TWO CLERKS, TWO FULL TIME CLERKS AND A PART TIME. AND OUR CIVIC OUR CIVIL DEPARTMENT IS OVERWHELMING, ENTIRELY OVERWHELMING. WE REALLY NEED A FULL TIME PERSON IN THERE TO HELP US. OUR FILING, OUR CURRENT FILING RIGHT NOW IS STACKED UP. WE NEED TO CUT THE DAY OFF AT 3:00 TO TRY TO GET THE FILING DONE. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE WORKLOAD. THE REPORT IN THIS FILE FOLDER DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PHONE CALLS THAT COME IN. THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN, THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE MADE THE TIME ON THE PHONE, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEONE ABOUT HOW TO PAY THEIR TICKET OR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR CASES AS FAR AS CIVIL GOES. OKAY. AND I'M REALLY GLAD COMMISSIONER STACY ASKED THIS BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK, GO DOWN THE EXACT SAME LINE, AND I'VE ASKED OTHER J S THIS QUESTION. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BACKLOG IS EITHER HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIZENS OR NOT, AND I WOULD THINK IT IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH AND THEY IT STACKS UP. IT JUST MAKES SENSE. THIS IS HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT. SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE. SO I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY, GIVE ME SIX PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ROOM FOR THEM ANYWAY. RIGHT. BUT IS THERE A WAY AND WHAT LEVEL WOULD WE HAVE TO STAFF IT AT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? BECAUSE WE ALL, WE GET MONTHLY REPORTS FROM EVERY JP AND WE ALL SEE THEM AND EVERY, EVERY MONTH. THE ACTIVE NUMBER OF CASES INCREASES, INCREASES EVERY MONTH. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. AND. HOW HOW CAN WE STOP THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO GET A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE GUY SAID, THE ISLAND WILL JUST TIP OVER, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE GOT TOO MUCH STACKED UP, TOO MUCH OF A BACKLOG. I'M GLAD SOMEBODY GOT THAT. I'M GLAD SOMEBODY GOT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. YEAH. BUT WOULD COULD CONVERTING THIS PERSON TO A FULL TIME, WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, 
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REALLY? YES, A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. YES. IF WE GAVE YOU IF CONVERTED THIS PERSON TO A FULL TIME AND GAVE YOU ANOTHER FULL TIME, WOULD IT MAKE WOULD COULD YOU BREAK EVEN? POSSIBLY. 
          YEAH. AND I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE CLERKS THAT JUDGE GOT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS FROM, AND THEY ARE BEHIND AS WELL. AND THAT, THAT INCLUDES THAT THEY HAVE MORE CLERKS THAN WE DO. SO THE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR TO OUR NUMBERS. AND THEY HAVE FOUR CLERKS AND WE HAVE TWO AND ONE PART TIME THAT ONLY COMES IN THREE TIMES A WEEK. SO I'M LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS. YOU KNOW IT'S A LOT. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S DANA. FOR YOU GUYS. IS THERE SERVICES OUT THERE THAT YOU THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT COULD COME IN AND AT LEAST CATCH YOU CATCH US UP. YOU KNOW WE WHERE WE CONTRACT WITH THEM. OH, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE TO GET CERTIFIED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE CRIMINAL FOLDERS HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBERS THAT WE JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND LOOK AT. RIGHT. I LEFT THAT OUT. IT NEEDS TO BE ONE THAT IS HAS QUALIFICATIONS THAT CAN DO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE THE CASE BECAUSE WITH THE INCREASE IN CASES THAT WE'RE GETTING, IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP INCREASING AND CALLING SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M THINKING LIKE IT COULD BE LIKE AN ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF THINKING. BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH TRYING TO FIND SPACE. SO I'M JUST THINKING OF, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT CAN BE OUTSOURCED? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT THIS YEAR, RIGHT? BUT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT HOW WE DO SOLVE IT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE WORK THAT COMES INTO US. RIGHT? SOMEONE MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHO WAS TALKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING SATELLITE OFFICES, SATELLITE, YOU KNOW, PRECINCT OFFICES THAT WOULD HOUSE VARIOUS AND WOULD HOUSE COULD HOUSE THE COURTROOM. YEAH. AND I'M SURE EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK AS FAR AS THE COURTROOM ITSELF, NOT THE STORAGE, BUT THE COURTROOM ITSELF, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I THINK WE'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW. WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT COMMISSIONER STACY'S THOUGHT ABOUT IF EVEN IF WE OFFERED, YOU KNOW, ONE EXTRA DAY, LIKE A FRIDAY. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BEING SAID, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SOLVED THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIVITIES. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO MATTER WHETHER YOU HOLD COURT MORE. 
          YOU JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART THAT COMES WITH IT IS JUST OVERWHELMING. FOR ALL OF OUR OFFICES RIGHT NOW. SO, SO GOING BACK TO THE MAGISTRATE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT, I APOLOGIZE. THANKS. WOULD IT HELP US? YES. IN WHAT WAY? IT WOULD HELP EACH OFFICE A WEEK, A MONTH. AND WITH ALL YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA FOLLOW UP WITH THINGS. WE HAVE CONDITIONED A BOND MODIFICATION HEARINGS AND EPO MODIFICATION HEARINGS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT IT COULD IT COULD HELP. YES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. WOULD THOSE HAPPEN IN MAGISTRATE COURT AT THAT POINT? YES. YES. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I'M TAKING MY QUESTION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS, WAS IF WE STOOD UP A MAGISTRATE COURT AND THEY HAD THEIR OWN CLERKS, I THINK IT WOULD HELP. OKAY. DO I THINK IT WOULD TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING? NO. NO, ABSOLUTELY IT WOULD NOT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY, YOU KNOW, DEBT CLAIMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ARE PILING UP MORE AND MORE AND MORE. I GET THAT. WHAT I'M TRYING TO. WELL, I THINK WHAT THE COURTS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT THE FUTURE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JP COURTS, WE CAN SEE EVERY MONTH WE SEE THIS BACKLOG TO COMMISSIONER LADY'S POINT GROWING. AND WE KNOW YOU DON'T WANT IT THAT WAY. WE DON'T WANT IT THAT WAY. FOR OUR CITIZENS, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS FOR THE FUTURE. AND I MEAN, I'M A HUGE FAN OF THE MAGISTRATE IDEA AND TAKING SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT YOU'RE ROTATING AND IT'S ONLY ONE WEEK AND YOU STILL PROBABLY IN THE BEGINNING ROTATE THE WEEKENDS, BUT NOT ALL THE WEEK, WHICH WOULD FREE YOU UP. AND IF THEY HAD CLERKS, IT WOULD FREE UP THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PART YOU'RE HANDLING NOW. BUT DOES THAT HOW MUCH DOES THAT SOLVE REALLY IS WHAT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW HOW MUCH OF THE ISSUE DOES THAT HELP? IF WE DID THAT AND WE ADDED A FULL TIME AND A HALF PERSON TO YOUR OFFICE, DOES THAT GET YOU IN A POSITION YOU THINK THAT YOU COULD START CHOPPING DOWN SOME OF THIS BACKLOG IF WE. SO WHAT? MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. SURE. SO IF YOU HAVE A MAGISTRATE CLERK OR MAGISTRATE CLERK AND THEN PUT GIVE US A FULL TIME CLERK ON TOP OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY. HE'S TALKING ABOUT 
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HAVING A MAGISTRATE COURT SEPARATE FROM THE. JP. YEAH. NO, IT WOULD NEVER KNOW. MAGISTRATE, OTHER THAN YOU FILLING IN ON THE WEEKENDS WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR COURT. CORRECT? OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. OKAY. NOW. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD HELP. WOULD IT? TECHNICALLY, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING IN ALL THE TIME, I DON'T. I STILL THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND. 
          YEAH. WE'D STILL, I MEAN, IN IN STILL ALSO GIVING YOU WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I MEAN AND AND TO COMMISSIONER LICHT'S QUESTION, GIVING YOU THIS HALF TIME MORE PERSON AND ANOTHER FULL TIME CLERK AND STANDING UP A MAGISTRATE COURT DOES THAT IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE? IT'S A VERY GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. DO YOU AND THE OTHER THREE JUSTICE PIECE GET TOGETHER AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE NONE OF US IS SAT ON A JUDGE OF A JUSTICE COURT. WE DON'T KNOW THE BUSINESS LIKE YOU DO, BUT AND WE GET FOUR. WE GET FOUR DIFFERING OPINIONS, ALL SAYING KIND OF THE SAME THING. AND WE'RE TRYING TO BOBBY'S POINT, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS. I AGREE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. AND IF WE START RUNNING DOWN A PATH THAT'S NOT A GOOD PATH. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. BUT AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE I'M THINKING, COULD WE LOOK TO THE FOUR JUSTICE COURTS AND HAVE YOU GUYS WORKED TOGETHER TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS AND SOLUTIONS, RATHER THAN HAVING TO DEAL WITH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY? YOU KNOW, JP ONE SAYS, I WANT THIS AND HERE'S WHAT HERE'S ALL MY NUMBERS. AND JP TWO SAYS, I WANT THIS, HERE'S ALL MY NUMBERS. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? AND YET WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. WE WANT GOOD SERVICE FOR OUR PEOPLE OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY RESIDENTS. WE WANT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ABLE TO GET THEIR WORK DONE AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. AND WE WANT GOOD JUSTICES WHO SHOW UP AND DISPENSE JUSTICE. YES, SIR. SO YOU GUYS CAN MAYBE HELP US DO THAT IF WE'RE IF YOU'RE COMING TOGETHER WITH SOME SORT OF COMMON SUGGESTIONS OR PLANS, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU GUYS? IT MAKES SENSE. AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE FOUR SEPARATE IDEAS ON WHAT'S GOING ON EITHER. BUT TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO PUT TOGETHER MAYBE A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE WITH THE FOUR OF YOU ON IT, AND MAYBE A COMMISSIONER AND MAYBE CAMMY. I ALWAYS LIKE TO VOLUNTEER CAMMY FOR THINGS AND TRY TO ADDRESS THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IF WE CAN DO IT, AT LEAST PRODUCE SOME IDEAS. YEAH, BECAUSE. I'M SORRY. NO, NO. YOU'RE GOOD COMMISSIONER. BECAUSE I, I WE KEEP GETTING FOUR PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT FIGHTING FOUR SEPARATE BATTLES. WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE ONE PROBLEM. BUT IF THE FOUR OF THEM CAN GET TOGETHER AND HELP US WITH SUGGESTIONS THAT WILL BRING THAT SOLUTION, THAT'D BE AWESOME IF Y'ALL COULD TURN TO THIS PAGE. I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS, IS GIVING US FOUR DIFFERENT ANSWERS. IT'S, IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK. IT SAYS THE ONE ONE THROUGH 531. SO THAT'S CURRENT STUFF. AND YOU PULLED THESE STRAIGHT FROM ODYSSEY. SO YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO REITERATE IT. 
          YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T. YES. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I FIND INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M JUST A NUMBERS GUY. MAGISTRATES ARE OBVIOUSLY PRETTY EQUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE ROTATING MAGISTRATES. THAT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. INQUESTS. THEY'RE ROTATING INQUESTS. THAT'S KIND OF LUCK OF THE DRAW. SO THOSE ARE ALL FAIRLY EQUAL TRAFFIC. 
          PEOPLE IN JP IN PRECINCT THREE CAN'T DRIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THEY'RE GETTING TRAFFIC CITATIONS. I COULD TELL A GREAT STORY ABOUT COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND HIS TRAVEL TO COLORADO. SO BUT BUT BUT IT'S THEN WHEN HE GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, TRUANCY, OBVIOUSLY TWO OF Y'ALL DO TRUANCY COURT AND NOT ALL FOUR. THAT MAKES SENSE. THEN HE GETS INTO DEBT CLAIMS PRECINCT FOUR IS DOUBLE EVERYBODY. I MEAN IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE A IT'S JUST IT'S JUST INSANE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN HE GETS INTO PARENT CONTRIBUTING, THAT ALL GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HANDLING TRUANCY EVICTIONS OTHER THAN BOBBY'S PRECINCT, THEY'RE FAIRLY EQUAL. SMALL CLAIMS OTHER THAN BOBBY'S PRECINCT, THEY'RE KIND OF EQUAL. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING I'M NOT GETTING INTO, IT'S ALL. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT IS WHAT'S CRAZY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, YOU SEE A STORY WHERE NONE OF THESE 
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COURTS QUITE HAVE THE SAME. BUT THREE HAS THIS HUGE SPIKE IN TRAFFIC, FOUR HAS THIS HUGE SPIKE IN DEBT CLAIMS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE FEELS SOMEWHAT LEVEL. AND SO AND SO IT'S LIKE THEIR, THEIR WORLD IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR, THESE COURTS, I THINK, HAVE DIFFERENT TEMPERATURES. AND LEANNA IS DYING WITH DEBT CLAIMS AND RUSSO IS JUST GETTING TONS AND TONS OF TRAFFIC CITATIONS. AND THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING IT. BUT I JUST KEEP THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL GOT EXCITED ABOUT THIS MAGISTRATE IDEA, I THINK. ARE THEY EXCITED ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CAN, CAN THE FOUR OF YOU KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF HELP US CRAFT SOLUTIONS? OH, YEAH. WE YEAH. WE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY ALL THESE OFFICES ARE INCREASING. I DON'T WANT TO. ANYWAYS, WE'RE ALL INCREASING. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL NEED HELP. YEAH. SO OUR MAGISTRATE COURT IS AVERAGING 245 CASES A MONTH. 
          JUST THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW. AND WHICH IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS REPORTED TO US BY THE OTHER JP'S THAT CAME IN. SO I DON'T SEE THAT NUMBER BEING FAR OFF FROM FROM THAT. BUT IF WE STOOD UP A MAGISTRATE COURT, IT WOULD TAKE 383 THINGS OFF YOUR DESK IN SIX MONTHS. THAT HAS TO HELP SOMETHING. YEAH, BUT DEBT CLAIMS, I MEAN, THIS THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IS JUST FOR TILL THE END OF MAY. END OF MAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S 1498 BETWEEN ALL OF THEM. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT DEBT CLAIMS FOR US LAST YEAR THE TOTAL WAS 1081. SO THAT'S 1081 FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. AND WE'RE AT FOR FIVE MONTHS NEARLY 1500. WHY DO YOU THINK PRECINCT FOUR HAS MORE DEBT CLAIMS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. ALL OF OUR DEBT CLAIMS REQUIRED TO BE CONFINED INSIDE OUR COUNTY, INSIDE OUR PRECINCT. 
          THAT'S WHEREVER THEY FILE THEM. CORRECT. BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE FILED IN THE PRECINCT. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ROYSE CITY IS IN THREE DIFFERENT COUNTIES. CAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ROYSE CITY IN COLLIN COUNTY COME FILE A DEBT CLAIM? OH, NO, SIR. I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. NO, SIR. IT HAS TO BE IN COLLIN COUNTY. OKAY. SO WHATEVER COUNTY THEY LIVE IN, THEY HAVE TO. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YEAH. SO DEBT CLAIMS, EVICTIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN JUDGE HAVE BEEN GREATER IN PRECINCT FOUR. AND I THOUGHT INITIALLY MY FIRST YEAR MAYBE IT'S JUST A SPIKE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING OFF COVID AND, AND STILL HAVEN'T HAVEN'T ADJUSTED. BUT IT IT APPEARS TO BE PRETTY STEADY. JP TWO IS NOW WINNING EVICTIONS IF IT'S A RACE. NO, I DON'T. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I DID WANT TO BRING UP IS THAT MY OFFICE SUPPLIES DID GO OVER BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. I DID NOT ASK FOR AN INCREASE IN THAT, BUT I'M. I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD KEEP IT DOWN. BUT WITH THE NUMBER OF CASES WE'RE GETTING, THE AMOUNT OF PAPER WE'RE HAVING TO GET AND THE AMOUNT OF FILE FOLDERS IT, I, I JUST THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT. AND THEN I JUST HAVE A SMALL QUESTION. YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A COMPUTER, WHICH IS FINE. YOU NEED A COMPUTER. CAN Y'ALL UTILIZE THE TECH FUND FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS? SOME OF WHAT THINGS LIKE A COMPUTER CAN. YES. AND WE DO. OKAY. I THINK YOUR BUDGET REQUEST MAKES SENSE, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO THINK ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. I THINK WE ALL KIND OF GET QUIET BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN A WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR OVER A WEEK OF JUST WHAT IS THE ACTUAL INSTITUTIONAL ANSWER TO THESE, TO THIS ISSUE? YEAH. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT A COMMITTEE, BUT MAYBE IT'S BETTER FOR A WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE JUSTICES ALL COME IN AND FOR ALL OF US TO BE HERE. MAYBE, MAYBE AND ROLL THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS. AND JUDGE JUDGE NORTON MESSAGED ME WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE. AND AS A THINKING THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TOO. I THINK IT'S A GREAT 
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IDEA. WELL, AND IF WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH ENOUGH DIRECTION SO THEY CAN DO THE RESEARCH AND BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS. WELL, YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY AGAIN, YOU ALL KNOW THE BUSINESS. WE DON'T TRY AND HELP US CRAFT SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD WE COULD SPREAD ACROSS ALL FOUR PRECINCTS TO TRY AND SOLVE IT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BECAUSE WE, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE ALL WANT TO SOLVE IT. ANYTIME YOU WANT TO COME SIT WITH US, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. REALLY? YEAH. LIKE I COULD SPEND A DAY WITH YOU OVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D WANT TO, BUT, YES, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. WELL, MY OTHER CHOICE IS I ENCOURAGE. MY OTHER CHOICE IS RUSSO. I MEAN, THAT'S NO, I WE WOULD NEVER I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD EVER MIND. Y'ALL COME IN AND SITTING WITH US, ESPECIALLY GOING TO THE JAIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE WOULDN'T MIND AT ALL. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU JUDGE. YES. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          I'LL ASK THIS IN THE IN MY BRAIN, I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE SMART FOR BOBBY AND I AS THE COMPENSATION PEOPLE THAT HAVE KIND OF LOOKED AT THE MAGISTRATE TO GO AND TO THE JAIL, MEET WITH JAIL ADMINISTRATION, MEET WITH LACEY AND CAMI AND START THINKING ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS THEIR WORK. BUT ARE WE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? SHOULD WE TRY TO DO THE WORKSHOP BEFORE WE START INVOLVING A BUNCH OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN. I THINK WE ALMOST HAVE TO GO COLLECT THE DATA BEFORE WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP, BECAUSE IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE WORKSHOP WITH EVERYBODY WITH A TO DO, GO GET THE DATA. OKAY, CAMI. WE NEED TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE MAJOR AND CAPTAIN AT THE JAIL. LACEY IN THE BOND OFFICE. BOBBY AND MYSELF TO TALK ABOUT MAGISTRATES AT THE JAIL. AND YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO, WELL, DO A QUORUM NOTICE. I YOU GUYS ARE DIGGING A LOT DEEPER INTO THIS THAN I AM. BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN YOU ALL TALK ABOUT IT AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT, I DON'T FEEL I HAVE A FULL KNOWLEDGE AND I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND. AND IT WAS INTERESTING YOU WERE SAYING THAT BECAUSE BOBBY SAID HE HAD BEEN THERE BEFORE AND GONE, AND I WAS LIKE, I NEVER HAVE. SO WE'LL DO A QUORUM NOTICE IN THE MAGISTRATE COURT. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO A FULL BUSINESS IN ANOTHER FACILITY. ACTUALLY, IT'S IN THE COUNTY. WE PROBABLY COULD. A WORKSHOP, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS ANYWHERE BUT HERE, BUT A WORKSHOP? YEAH. MAYBE WE COULD DO A WORKSHOP. HAVE THE JP'S COME IN, HAVE THE JAIL, COME IN, SIT IN MAGISTRATE COURT? YEAH, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THE COURT, THE JP, THE MAJOR, THE CAPTAIN, ME, THE BOND COORDINATOR. YES. 
          BECAUSE. YES. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY. WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK. AND WE COULD ASK THE JP IF IT WOULD HELP THEM. DANNY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? I MEAN, DO YOU GO TO THE MAGISTRATE COURT IN THE JAIL? OKAY. BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE. RECORD KEEPING. YES. OKAY. SOUNDS FUN. I CHALLENGE YOUR IDEA OF FUN, BUT IT SOUNDS NECESSARY. YEAH. DIG IN AND FIGURE OUT HOW. RIGHT, RIGHT. 
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NO, I DON'T EITHER, BUT I'M. WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, IT IS LEADING TO MORE PEOPLE, MORE MONEY, WHICH MAY BE THE SOLUTION, BUT MAYBE NOT. WELL, AND THAT IT MAY BE. YOU'RE VERY RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'VE GOTTEN NOW FROM TWO DIFFERENT JP'S IS YEAH, IT'LL HELP, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP WHERE IT'S GOING TO KEEP HAVING BACKLOGS CLIMB. IF IF WE GIVE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THEY THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP HAVING BACKLOGS CLIMB. AND THAT'S NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM. IT'S MAYBE MAKING IT LESS OF A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S NOT SOLVING A PROBLEM. AND AS LONG AS WE'RE DEALING WITH, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE IT IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN. I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. MR. BRIAN CRENSHAW WITH I T HELLO. THANKS, EVERYBODY. I'LL JUMP RIGHT IN. OKAY, SO THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IN MY BUDGET IS THESE THREE ITEMS, WHICH ARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND CAPITAL REQUESTS. THE REST ARE ALL THE SAME. AND BRIAN, REMIND ME WHERE I THINK WE STARTED TAKING THOSE OUT OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND HOUSING THEM IN IT. IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? I THINK IT'S BEEN THAT WAY A WHILE. WHAT THEY DID CHANGE WAS THERE USED TO BE A ALL OF IT WAS JUST IN ONE ITEM CALLED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, AND THEY KIND OF GOT SPLIT. I'M NOT 100% SURE THE RATIONALE AS TO WHY SOME ARE AND SOME. AND SOME ARE IN THE OTHER, BUT IT'S LIKE AN ACCOUNTING THING AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. BUT YEAH, I DO KNOW THE, THE ONE OF THE RULES IS THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY USES IT, IT ENDS UP IN MY DEPARTMENT. IF LIKE ONE SINGLE DEPARTMENT USES IT, IT GOES INTO THEIRS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE FIRST PAGE OF THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU GUYS IS THIS LIST OF ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. AND I'M GLAD TO GO AND GIVE AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. NONE OF THESE HAVE CHANGED TOO MUCH EXCEPT THESE TWO THAT I HAVE GRAYED OUT ARE GOING AWAY. ONE IS A THEFT RECOVERY SYSTEM THAT WE NO LONGER USE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT WORKING WITH THE NEWER LAPTOPS. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT'S KIND OF OVERLAPPING IT. AND THE OTHER ITEM THERE IS A SERVER THAT'S OUT OF SERVICE. SO THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT OVER INTO THE NEXT YEAR. LET'S SEE. THEN THESE TWO AT THE BOTTOM ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE NEW. THE GO TO ONE IS THE PHONE SYSTEM THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TO DEATH. SO I'LL GO PAST THAT. AND THE ONE BELOW THAT IS SOME SERVERS THAT REACHED THEIR WARRANT, THEIR EXTENDED WARRANTY. SO THE REST OF THEM ARE ALL KIND OF NEGLIGIBLE PRICE INCREASES I THINK EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE. THE THIS IS ALL OF OUR NETWORK DEVICES. WE KEEP NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THE CORE AND DISTRIBUTION LEVEL STUFF WE KEEP WARRANTY ON. AND WE ADDED A BUNCH LAST YEAR SO THAT PRICE WENT UP. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE? Y'ALL WANT ME TO GIVE MORE DETAIL OR GO ON. WHAT'S THE TOTAL. THE I DIDN'T TOTAL IT NUMBER. I DIDN'T TOTAL IT HERE. IT'S SCARY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. BUT IT IS IT IS SCARY. 
          OH WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S IT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE, I GUESS. 223 THAT FIRST LINE IN ORANGE ON THE SCREEN. 2223 UP FROM 140. BUT REMEMBER 76,000 WE DECIDED TO SPEND YESTERDAY IN FY IN THE CURRENT FY. YEAH. YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THE DIFFERENCES OF WHAT ALL HAS CHANGED ON HERE IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM. IT WAS SUCH A HUGE AMOUNT. NO, I KIND OF FLIPPING THROUGH THEM. BUT JUST WONDER WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER IS. OKAY, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS, BUT CDW GOVERNMENT SOPHOS WENT UP 48%. THAT'S BECAUSE WE BOUGHT THAT FOR A PARTIAL YEAR. 
          OKAY. THE YEAR BEFORE. YEAH. AND WE ALSO THAT SAME YEAR WE COMBINED, WE DID HAVE THIS THING CALLED BLACK POINT CYBER THAT WAS DOING OUR MDR, OUR SECURITY THING THAT WATCHES IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AND ACTIVELY RESPONDS. AND WE COMBINED ALL OF THAT INTO SOPHOS LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT ONE'S UP. GOOD TIMES. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. AND ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO IF THEY'VE GONE UP, IT'S 
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BECAUSE EITHER THE VENDOR RAISED THE PRICE. WE INCREASED OUR USER COUNT, OR WE'RE USING MORE DATA STORAGE. AND AGAIN, I CAN SHOOT THROUGH ALL OF THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THERE'S SOME BIG JUMPS IN SOME OF THESE. I MEAN, YOU ALREADY EXPLAINED SOPHOS, BUT OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, I GET IT. I'M NOT OKAY. JUST POINTING OUT LIKE ADOBE'S UP 30% ADOBE. WE ADDED A BUNCH. I WOULD EXPECT SOME OF THESE TO BE TEN, 5 TO 10% JUST BECAUSE OF SUBSCRIPTION INCREASES. BUT SOME OF THESE ARE WAY MORE THAN THAT. YEAH, THE VEEAM ONE, WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY LICENSES. THEY JUST RAISED THE PRICE. MICROSOFT WE'VE RAISED THE PRICE AND WE'VE ADDED MORE USERS AND LICENSES AND THINGS. VMWARE THEY WON'T GIVE ME THE MICROSOFT. IS THAT JUST THE, THE, THE DESKTOP PLATFORM? THE MICROSOFT ONE INCLUDES OUR EMAIL, OUR OFFICE. IT'S EVERYTHING. WHAT WE USE ALL AT OUR DESKS, OUR LICENSE. YEAH. 
          IT'S ALSO THE BACK END SERVERS. IT'S EVERYTHING WE ARE. WE ARE A MICROSOFT SHOP. MICROSOFT, MICROSOFT. YEAH. IT'S THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE. NET MOTION IS OUR VPN SOFTWARE. AND WE HAD TO ADD 25. WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF LICENSES. THAT'S JUST HOW MANY REMOTE CONNECTIONS WE HAVE. 
          PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME AND WHATNOT. THE LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE HAS GONE UP. OH, THE, THE VMWARE ONE. I'M NOT ABLE TO GET A QUOTE YET. THEY WON'T GIVE IT TO ME TILL AUGUST BECAUSE IT'S TOO SOON, THEY SAY. SO I'M KIND OF GUESSING THAT'S GOING TO GO UP. IT HAS BEEN GOING UP. 
          SPLUNK JUST RAISED THE PRICE. THE SOLARWINDS ONE WENT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO RAISE THE PRICE SO MUCH THAT I HAD TO GO GET A DIFFERENT PRODUCT LAST YEAR. SO THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT NEW ONE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS CDW NET OPS. THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT. AND WE STILL HAVE OTHER THINGS WITH SOLARWINDS THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE THE DA'S OFFICE. WHY DRIVE USES THAT ONE? AND THEN THESE, LIKE, I BOUGHT A $48 THING. AND THE SCALE FUSION IS SOMETHING WE BOUGHT TO MANAGE KIOSKS, PUBLIC KIOSKS. WE WERE DOING THAT WITH SCRIPTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. AND IT'S BECOMING BURDENSOME. SO WE BOUGHT THIS TO TRY TO MAKE THAT INTO A OFFICIAL SOFTWARE THING. DOC ACCESS IS A THING I BROUGHT LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR ACTUALLY TO FOR ADA COMPLIANCE. THAT WAS THE THING THAT GOES INTO THE WEBSITE THAT CONVERTS THE PDF FOR, FOR THOSE NEW LAWS. OH, THIS NO BEFORE THING, I FOUND OUT LAST WEEK THAT OUR TAC RISK POOL CYBER INSURANCE IS OFFERING THAT FOR FREE. SO I WASN'T ABLE TO PULL IT OUT OF THE DOCUMENTS AND STUFF. BUT YOU CAN MARK THAT ONE OUT. THAT ONE'S GONE. AND WASABI AND THAT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PHISHING SIMULATION. THAT'S WHERE YOU SEND OFF A FAKE EMAILS. OKAY, Y'ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS? WASABI. WE HAD TO EXPAND THE STORAGE. THIS WAS IS RELATED TO THE THE DA'S OFFICE WIDE DRIVE. WE NEEDED MORE. AND THEY ALSO RAISED THE PRICE. SO EVERYTHING GOT PRICE RAISED. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS OR KEEP GOING? WELL, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT OUT, IT'S ABOUT $31,000 IN PRICE INCREASES FOR SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST HIS DEPARTMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ON TO MY CAPITAL LIST. OKAY. SO I PUT THESE IN ORDER OF WHAT I THINK IS THE PRIORITY. AND ALSO THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN BLUE COLOR THING HERE. SO AS I'M GOING THROUGH THE SLIDESHOW, I TRY TO KEEP THAT NUMBER AT THE TOP SO YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH WHERE I'M AT. OKAY. THE FIRST ONE IS THE PHONE SYSTEM, WHICH I'M JUST GOING TO GO PAST. THE NEXT IS SOME, SOME NEW DISTRIBUTION LAYER SWITCHES THAT I WANT TO GET. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DONE ALL THIS REMODELING, AND IN THE PROCESS, THEY COMBINED A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROOMS, SERVER ROOMS OR NETWORK CLOSETS REALLY INTO THEIR ONE BIG NEW ROOM. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF OUR NETWORKS DESIGNED IN THREE LAYERS. WE HAVE THE EDGE SWITCHES. THAT'S WHAT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO THE USER. AND THEN THERE'S WHAT WE CALL A DISTRIBUTION SWITCH LAYER. AND 
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THAT'S WHAT CONNECTS THE EDGE SWITCHES BACK TO THE CORE. AND FOR THE EDGE SWITCHES, WE DO NOT KEEP THOSE REDUNDANT. EACH ONE OF THOSE REPRESENTS ABOUT 4050 USERS OR 40 OR 50 DEVICES ACTUALLY. SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'VE GOT IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SERVER ROOM HAS SIX OF THESE WITH NO DISTRIBUTION NODE. SO IF ONE OF THEM WENT DOWN, IT WOULD KNOCK OUT MAYBE 300 DEVICES. SO I WANT TO GET A DISTRIBUTION PART IN THERE SO THAT IT CAN BE REDUNDANT. AND IF WE LOST A SWITCH IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT 40 TO 50 DEVICES. INSTEAD OF LOSING A WHOLE BIG CHUNK OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PART IS FOR. COMMISSIONER STACY, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND $36,000 IN THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL? THERE'S A VERY REAL WAY WE COULD DO THAT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SO DON'T ASK LISA. WHAT ABOUT. I DIDN'T SEE HER THERE. WHAT ABOUT THE ROAD AND BRIDGE? CAN WE GET IT OUT OF. OH, THEY DON'T NEED MONEY ANYMORE. BRIDGE. NO, THEY THEY DON'T NEED ANY MORE MONEY. THAT WAS FUNNY. THAT WAS. ALL. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN NEXT IS SOME BATTERIES. ALL THE SERVER ROOMS HAVE THESE UPS BATTERIES IN THEM. AND WE DID AN INVENTORY ON THEM. I'VE GOT A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THEY ARE, WHICH ONES. SOME OF THEM ARE NEW ONES THAT WE NEED AND SOME OF THEM ARE FAILING. SO ABOUT 7 TO 8 YEARS, THAT'S THE END OF THEIR LIFE. YEAH. IT APPEARS FROM THE ONES WE HAVE FAILING. YEAH. THEY START TO ERROR OUT AND ADDING ALL THOSE UP IS $32,000. SO THERE'S THAT. THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT CAN GO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE OUR CYBER INSURANCE WILL COVER THAT I FOUND. SO Y'ALL CAN MARK OUT NUMBER FOUR THERE. SO OKAY. NUMBER FIVE IS IN LIBERTY HALL. WE HAVE THIS PARTICULAR SCREEN IS STUCK DOWN RIGHT NOW. WE'VE HAD THEM COME LOOK AT IT. THE MOTOR IS BROKEN AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPAIR ALL OF THAT. BUT BEFORE I DO AND THEN THIS ONE IN THE BACK HAS ACTUALLY BEEN STUCK IN AN UP POSITION FOR QUITE A WHILE. I ASKED FOR THIS ONE LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T DO IT. I DON'T THINK IT GETS USED VERY OFTEN, BUT THAT'S THE SITUATION IN THAT ROOM. WE GOT 355000 TAKES CARE OF BOTH OF THOSE 55,000, TAKES CARE OF ALL FIVE IN THE ROOM AND PROJECTORS. SO THAT WAS TO ME THE YEAH. IF WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND JUST REPLACE ALL OF THIS STUFF, THAT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF FAILING ON ITS WAY OUT, IT'D BE 55,000. IF WE JUST WANT TO REPLACE THE SCREENS AND MOTORS, IT WOULD BE 17, WHICH THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A FINE THING TO DO TO. OR IF WE ONLY WANT TO REPLACE JUST THAT ONE IN THE FRONT, IT'S 4000. SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THERE. I, I KIND OF THINK EITHER ONE OF THESE FIRST TWO IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL OPTIONS THERE. SO ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE OR KEEP GOING KEEP GOING. OKAY. NOW STARTING HERE, I HAVE PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF ON THAT I AM FORECASTING FOR THE FUTURE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AND IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE 20, 28, 20, 29 COME. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M ASKING FOR LIKE $1 MILLION. SO THAT SO THIS, OUR FIREWALL RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY NOT END OF LIFE UNTIL 2028. BUT MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT SOONER. THE CURRENT FIREWALL WE PURCHASED IN FY 21 FOR $45,000, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM, BUT WE PURCHASED THEM BOTH THEN, AND WE PAY ABOUT 45 A YEAR FOR THE ONGOING SUPPORT AND UPDATES AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT. THE NEW MODEL THAT I GOT QUOTED, IT'S I QUOTED IT TO PAY ALL UP FRONT. IT'S CHEAPER THAT WAY. THIS ONE, IF YOU ADDED IT ALL UP, WE ARE GOING TO END UP SPENDING 225 OVER THE FIVE YEARS. AND THIS ONE, IF WE BOUGHT IT ALL AT ONCE AHEAD OF TIME, IT WOULD BE 195. SO, BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DEFERRED. BUT. YEAH, THAT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT I JUST SAID, BASICALLY. OH, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE INSTEAD OF PAYING 195, MAYBE I GO GET A QUOTE TO JUST BUY IT FOR ONE YEAR AND WE PAY IT OUT LIKE WE'VE DONE THIS ONE. IF, IF IT'S EASIER TO NOT HAVE SO MUCH CAPITAL. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE OR. ALL 
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RIGHT. MOVING ON. OKAY. THIS IS AGAIN A THING THAT IS NOT ON US RIGHT NOW, BUT PERHAPS IS A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT THIS YEAR. WE BOUGHT SO WE HAVE A VIRTUAL SERVER INFRASTRUCTURE. I HAVE THIS LITTLE DIAGRAM THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU THE PIECES OF IT. THERE'S THESE THREE PARTS THAT ARE THE PHYSICAL SERVERS THAT ARE RUNNING. THERE'S NETWORK STUFF BETWEEN THERE, AND THEN THERE'S THESE TWO THINGS DOWN HERE THAT ARE THAT AMOUNT TO BIG BANKS OF HARD DRIVES. WE HAVE THREE OF THESE FOR REDUNDANCY AND BALANCING THE LOAD. TWO OF THESE NETWORK SWITCHES FOR REDUNDANCY, EXCUSE ME. AND TWO OF THESE HARD DRIVE BANKS FOR REDUNDANCY. AND THESE TWO WERE BOUGHT FOR $66,000 EACH. OVER 20 AND 21. THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE CAN NO LONGER GET ANY UPGRADES ON THEM. WE DON'T NEED ANY UPGRADES, BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO SHEPHERD US INTO BUYING NEW STUFF. 2028 THEY'RE GOING TO END OF LIFE. THESE THINGS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I MEAN, THIS COMPANY'S MONITORING THEM. THEY TELL US IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM. IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY DO NEED TO NOT LET BE OUT OF SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE PAID ABOUT 7500 FOR ONE OF THEM THAT WE BOUGHT IN 20, AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE PAY 15 A YEAR TO KEEP THEM BOTH UNDER SUPPORT. LET'S SEE. SO WE GOT SOME OPTIONS HERE. WE COULD JUST DEFER THIS ONE TILL 2028 AND PAY THE EXTENDED WARRANTY STUFF. WE COULD BUY TWO OF THEM NOW FOR $300,000. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS TOO THAT'S GONE. 
          THAT'S JUST SHOT UP IN PRICE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE SHORTAGES AND THINGS. AND THEN OR MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE WE BUY ONE RIGHT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THEN PLAN ON, WE WANT TO TRY TO BUY THEM REAL CLOSE TOGETHER, AT LEAST SO THAT THEY'RE THE SAME MODEL, BUT MAYBE WE COULD SPLIT IT ACROSS TWO YEARS. THOSE ARE MY IDEAS FOR THAT. CAN YOU CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? BECAUSE IN MY BRAIN, I WANT TO BUY ONE AND THEN WAIT FOUR YEARS AND THEN BUY ONE. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING FROM A SOFTWARE STANDPOINT AND ACTUALLY OPERATING THEM THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK? WELL, I NEED THEM, I NEED THEM TO BE THE SAME AND BOUGHT CLOSE TO THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE SET UP AS A PAIR. SO ALL OF IT'S STORED THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE EVERY NIGHT, EVERYTHING GETS REPLICATED TO THE OTHER ONE. OKAY, SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING IF WE HAVE A BIG PURCHASE LIKE THIS, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO SPREAD THEM OUT. BUT REALLY THEY'RE ONE THING THEY REALLY WANT. THEY OPERATE AS ONE THING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE OR ALL RIGHT. GOING. AND THEN SIMILARLY, ON THE SAME VM BLOCK, OUR SERVER PIECE, ALL OF THESE PARTS ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP SOON ISH. 
          WE THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR WE HAD TO PAY FOR EXTENDED WARRANTY ON THOSE. ACTUALLY, NO, IT WAS THIS YEAR. YEAH. WE PAID 110 FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE SERVERS IN 2020. AND IT'S COSTING US $3,500 A YEAR TO KEEP THEM UNDER WARRANTY. AND THOSE I EXPECT TO BE END OF LIFE, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY GO LONGER. SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE'S A LOWER PRIORITY. THIS IS WHERE ALL OF OUR SERVERS ARE RUNNING. AND TO REPLACE ALL THOSE NOW WOULD BE 195,000. AND THOSE WE WE NEED TO PURCHASE PROBABLY ALL AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE THE SAME HARDWARE, NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFER VMS ACROSS THEM AND THINGS. WHAT IS VM? OH, SORRY, THAT'S A VIRTUAL MACHINE. SO ALL OF OUR SERVERS, NOT ALL OF OUR SERVERS, LIKE 70 ISH OF THE COUNTY SERVERS ARE VIRTUAL. AND THAT JUST MEANS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONE, ONE SERVER LIKE YOUR COMPUTER DESKTOP COMPUTER IS A COMPUTER. IT'S TIED TO THAT HARDWARE. 
          INSTEAD. IT'S LIKE A, IT'S SOFTWARE, LITTLE V VOL, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FILE THAT RUNS ON VMWARE. AND THEN IF SO, IF THIS TOP HOST COMPUTER EXPLODED, THEN IT CAN AUTOMATICALLY GO DOWN TO THE. IT GIVES IT REDUNDANCY AT THE HARDWARE LEVEL. SAME THING WITH THESE TWO. THIS IS VIRTUALIZED COMPUTER AS THAT MAKING SENSE? YEAH. NO. WELL, YEAH, IT'S BETTER THAN V. IT'S BETTER THAN VM. YEAH. IT'S I TRIED IT MAKES IT WAY EASIER TO MANAGE. IT 
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MAKES IT WHERE AS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS. WE HAVE 70 SERVERS RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 70 COMPUTERS STACKED UP, YOU KNOW, BIG PHYSICAL SERVERS ALL RUNNING ALL THIS STUFF. AND INSTEAD WE HAVE THREE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. AND NOW APPLICATIONS ARE WRITTEN WHERE SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE FIVE DIFFERENT VIRTUAL SERVERS THAT ARE ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER. IF ONE PART OF IT BREAKS, THEN YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TO FIX THAT ONE LITTLE PART OF IT INSTEAD OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RESTORE IT BACK UP QUICKER. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT. 
          BUT YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NOW, IS THERE MORE ON THIS OR I GUESS KEEP GOING. OKAY. WE WE ALSO HAVE THESE THAT WE BOUGHT AND OKAY, A NASS IS A NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE AND IT'S JUST LIKE A RACKED UP SERVER THAT'S JUST FULL OF HARD DRIVES AND CONNECTS TO THE NETWORK. SO IF YOU HAVE A NETWORK DRIVE, LIKE A Z DRIVE OR WHATEVER, THEN IT'S, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT'S GOING TO STORE ALL THAT. WE HAVE TWO OF THEM RIGHT NOW THAT WERE PURCHASED IN 2020. 
          THEY WERE $2,600 APIECE. WE'VE ADDED HARD DRIVES OVER THE YEARS TO EXPAND THEM. THEY ARE NOW OUT OF WARRANTY. THEY ARE BEING USED TO BACK UP OUR OFFICE, 365 DATA AND OUR DFS DATA, WHICH THAT'S EVERYONE'S Z DRIVE NETWORK DRIVE. SOME OF THEM ARE CALLED DIFFERENT STUFF, BUT A LOT OF THE OFFICES HAVE LIKE A SHARED DATA STORAGE THAT'S LOCAL THERE. AND ALSO BACKING UP SOME ADULT PROBATION STUFF. SO THIS IS STORAGE. WE CAN'T SHIFT TO THE CLOUD. 
          THAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO THE OPTIONS WE CAN. BUT I HONESTLY IT'S I THINK WE'RE NOT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO. I DID LOOK AT THE PRICE THOUGH, SO WE COULD NOT REPLACE THESE THERE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY IT'S MY NUMBER NINE THING HERE. BUT I EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AT SOME POINT. AND THEN WE COULD REPLACE THEM AGAIN. ALL THE STUFF HAS GONE UP. THIS IS $24,000 NOW TO GET TWO OF THEM. AND IF I LOOKED AT BACKING UP OFFICE 365 TO THE CLOUD AND BUYING MORE JUST OBJECT STORAGE FOR THE CLOUD, AND IT WOULD BE ABOUT 22.5 TO GET SOMETHING SIMILAR. AND THAT'S THAT'D BE YEARLY. SO AS OPPOSED TO JUST BUYING THE TWO BOXES AND REPLACE THEM FOR 24. AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO LAST US 5 OR 6 YEARS. 
          SO IT MAKES WAY MORE SENSE TO NOT DO THAT IN THE CLOUD, I THINK. SO THOSE ARE THOSE OKAY. 
          THIS ONE, WE HAVE A, A FEW OF THESE STANDALONE LITTLE IP CAMERAS IN OUR SERVER ROOMS. AND RIGHT NOW WE CAN LOG INTO A WEB PAGE AND JUST, WE CAN SEE LIKE A LIVE VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BUY A LITTLE CAMERA DVR THING AND GET SEVERAL MORE CAMERAS AND JUST HAVE KIND OF OUR OWN LITTLE CAMERA DVR BACKUP SYSTEM TO MONITOR ALL THE SERVER ROOMS. IT'S FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE. IS THAT TO SEE IF SOMEONE'S DOING SOMETHING IN THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE DOING? YEAH. OR MAYBE THE ROOM IS ON FIRE OR LEAKING OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES US FEEL BETTER TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AN EYE ON OUR ROOMS MORE THAN ANYTHING. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? OKAY. AND LAST ON MY LIST IS A VAN, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MAVERICK AND A FORD EXPLORER. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A WHOLE COMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH THIS, BUT I DID GET BURIED A QUOTE, A VAN. SO VAN AND THE VAN WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EQUIPMENT INSIDE IT. YEAH. IS THAT THE REASON YOU NEED A VAN? RIGHT. WE HAVE THAT MAVERICK RIGHT NOW, AND WE DO HAVE THIS OLDER FORD EXPLORER THAT WILL WORK. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A, A CLOSED IN VAN THAT WE CAN PUT MORE SENSITIVE EQUIPMENT IN. SO DEFINITELY NOT A HUGE PRIORITY. BUT NONETHELESS. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY CAPITAL OR ANYTHING SO FAR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW FOR STAFFING. SO THIS IS ALL MAINLY CENTERED AROUND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE HOW WE SUPPORT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT MY GOAL IN SHOWING ALL OF YOU THIS IS TO CAST A VISION, 
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KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE GPS, OF HOW I THINK THINGS WILL BE IN THE FUTURE, THE WAY IT'S GROWING. I MEAN, I DO I WOULD APPRECIATE A NEW PERSON THIS YEAR, BUT EVEN MORE THAN THAT, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO THIS IS THE WAY IT'LL GROW. SO RIGHT NOW WE GOT A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. ONE IS WE'VE GOT SOME SOME ORPHANED DUTIES AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THAT. YOU HAVE THOSE. WELL, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD THIS RADIO ADMIN POSITION AND THEY'VE ELIMINATED IT. THIS PERSON DID ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THEY CREATED THAT. I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT THEY HAVE ANOTHER POSITION THAT'S SORT OF HIGHER UP THAN THIS. AND WE'RE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF WE'RE MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT TRANSFERRING A LOT OF THESE DUTIES AND DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT THEY MANAGE OVER TO IT. SO THAT'S ONE PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT'S COMING IN AND THE GOAL OR THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO THAT, I BELIEVE, IS TO PROBABLY ADD A DEDICATED SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR FOR THEM THAT'S HOUSED OVER THERE. REPORTS TO YOU THAT REPORTS TO ME. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE A SUB IT DEPARTMENT THAT'S JUST CONCENTRATING ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THERE IS AN OFFICE COMMISSIONER LICHTY IN THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL THAT COULD HOUSE A SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR. JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD. GOOD JOB THINKING AHEAD THERE, JOHNNY. THIS IS THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE PRESSING, I BELIEVE, IS WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION SILO PROBLEM. AND BY THAT, I MEAN WE HAVE THIS IS THE WAY MY OFFICE IS STRUCTURED NOW. I HAVE. THERE THEY ARE THE THE GREEN HERE. 
          SEBASTIAN, HE IS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALL THE TIME. SO HE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND IS FAMILIAR WITH ALL THEIR DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. BUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ROTATING. THEY'RE ON CALL SCHEDULE AFTER HOURS CALLS GO TO ALL OF THEM. 
          SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS WE TRY THESE OTHER EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE OFFICE TRIES TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE, BUT SEBASTIAN IS KIND OF IT'S ALL ON HIS SHOULDERS A BIT. SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION SILO I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE NEW PERSON YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. NO, THIS IS JUST A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROBLEM. YEAH. HE DOESN'T FULFILL THOSE DUTIES. RIGHT. SO WHAT I WOULD ULTIMATELY PROPOSE IS THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS THREE PEOPLE OVER THERE AND SEBASTIAN AND THEN ANOTHER. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SEBASTIAN. AND THEN A ANOTHER TECHNICIAN THAT WOULD BE AT HIS SAME LEVEL WHERE THEY CAN SHARE THE CALL. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT OVER THERE. AND THEN A SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR THAT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE THEIR LOCAL BOSS, BASICALLY, THEIR SUPERVISOR CAN ALSO HANDLE HIGHER LEVEL THINGS. ALL I REALLY WAS ASKING FOR THIS YEAR, I MEAN, I THINK I PUT IN THERE FOR BOTH THE SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR AND THE TECHNICIAN, BUT I DO BELIEVE JUST THE TECHNICIAN. SO THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT CALL LEVELS LIKE THIS. BUT TO GET HERE, THIS IS THE POSITION I AM AFTER THAT. I'M ASKING FOR THIS YEAR WITH THE IDEA THAT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GROW TO THIS AT SOME POINT. SO THAT'S MY PITCH FOR THE NEW POSITION. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR ONE MORE TECHNICIAN. YES. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE HOUSED AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THEM. THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ENOUGH TO GET THEM GOING. THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE HIRING PROCESS. THIS WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE TECHNICIAN THAT CAN HELP SEBASTIAN. AND THEN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, WE'D END UP WITH TWO TECHNICIANS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YES. OR AT THE SHERIFF SLASH JAIL? YES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? INVOLVED IN THE HIRING PROCESS? I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY WANT TO BE IN THE INTERVIEWS. AND WHAT TECHNICAL EXPERTISE WOULD THEY HAVE OVER YOUR DEPARTMENT? I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY LIKE THE PERSON. OKAY. MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND. BUT I DON'T WANT TO START MUDDYING THE 
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WATERS ON WHAT WE WANT. I, I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT BOTH OF THESE POSITIONS ARE NECESSARY. JUST AS SOMEONE THAT IS IN THE MUCK WITH IT, AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE REMODEL AND THE RADIO ADMINISTRATOR AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, THERE IS A, YOU CALL THEM BREAK FIX. I LOVE THAT THAT WORD. 
          THERE'S A BREAK FIX LEVEL. SOMETHING IS BROKEN. YOU HAVE TO GO FIX IT. THAT'S THE TECHNICIAN. BUT THEY HAVE SYSTEMS. REALLY, REALLY INVOLVES SYSTEMS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THAT INFORMATION SILO IS VERY REAL IN THE SENSE THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT CAN FIX THOSE SYSTEMS. THAT HURTS BOTH THE SHERIFF AND BRIAN WITH IF THERE'S TURNOVER, IF THINGS ARE GOING ON. IF WE HAD ANOTHER SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR, WE COULD PUT THAT LOAD ON ALL THREE OF THEM, INCLUDING BRIAN. SO FOUR OF THEM THAT COULD THEN POTENTIALLY CREATE BETTER INDUSTRIAL AND TRIBAL KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE SYSTEMS AND WORKING TOGETHER AND HAVING IT BE A WHOLE LOT MORE OF A TECHNICAL APPROACH TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND NOT SO MUCH OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THAT IS WE HAVE THESE SYSTEMS, WE HAVE THESE SOFTWARES. WE WANT SOFTWARE AND SYSTEMS, PEOPLE SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS. AND I JUST THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE POSITIONS SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED BY THE COURT. I DO APPRECIATE HIS CANDOR THAT THE TECHNICIAN IS PROBABLY DEFINITELY THE NEED, THE DIRECT NEED THAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS SERVICING OVER THERE. I JUST THINK THE SOONER WE CAN GET TO THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN GET WORKLOAD OFF OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE QUICKER WE CAN GET OUR IT DEPARTMENT MORE INTEGRATED INTO THE SYSTEMS AND THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. BRIAN, WHO DOES WHO DOES YOUR TECHNICIAN CURRENTLY REPORT TO? RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THE ONE, THE ONE YOU HAVE, NOT THE ONE YOU'RE REQUESTING. I MEAN, I GUESS HE REPORTS TO JUSTIN, BUT I MEAN, ULTIMATELY ME. OKAY. YEAH. JUSTIN IS THE HE'S KIND OF IN CHARGE OF THE HELP DESK. SO ALL OF THE SUPPORT TICKETS AND EVERYTHING'S GO THROUGH HIM. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'M GOING TO GET ON MY SOAPBOX FOR JUST A MINUTE ABOUT ONE THING. IT WOULD TO ME AND LISA'S GOING TO I'M NOT LOOKING DIRECTLY AT LISA. TO ME, THIS WOULD BE A LOT BETTER IF YOU WOULD ALSO COME PRESENT ALL OF THE OTHER IT NEEDS FOR EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT. AND LIKE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE INVENTORY. AND I COULD GET A SENSE OF WHAT OUR ENTIRE IT SPEND WAS IN THIS COUNTY FROM YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS COME IN AND SAY IT RECOMMENDS WE NEED 16,000 LAPTOPS OR IT RECOMMENDS WE NEED THIS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE SILOING ALL THOSE THINGS INTO DEPARTMENTS AND NOT INTO AN IT AREA, ONLY SO THAT YOU HAD AN INVENTORY SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND BETTER, FORECAST WHAT WAS GOING TO GO OUT EVERY YEAR. BECAUSE DURING THIS PRESENTATION NEXT YEAR, IF WE COULD DO THAT, THEN YOU COULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY LAPTOPS TO REPLACE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY SWITCHES TO REPLACE. WE'RE GOING TO WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE ALL THAT STUFF WAS CENTRALLY. SO I'M OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW. THAT WOULDN'T EVEN LONG ENOUGH TO BOTHER GETTING ON THE SOAPBOX. OKAY. VERY WELL SAID. IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. VERY SIMILAR TO HOW YOU DID THE THE HARDWARE JUST A WHILE AGO. TELL US WHEN THEY'RE IN THE LIFE IS AND KIND OF WHAT YOUR. IS THAT A BAD THING FOR ACCOUNTING? THE PROBLEM THE THE MAIN PROBLEM I GET. I REALLY GET WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING. THE MAIN PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ASSET ONCE IT'S NOT IN BRIAN'S. THEY'RE ALL COUNTY OWNED THOUGH. 
          YEAH, YEAH. BUT YEAH, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN THE DEPARTMENT. IT WOULD STILL BE AN. IT RECOMMENDS. BUT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GALANOS SAYING BACK UP AND GIVE US A 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF. WE HAVE THIS MANY COMPUTERS THAT ARE GOING OUT THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THIS MANY THAT'S GOING OUT NEXT YEAR. SO WE CAN ALLOCATE RESOURCES. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, AT LEAST EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, THERE'S ALWAYS A KIND OF IMPENDING TRAINS COMING DOWN THE TRACK, AND THERE'S ALWAYS ONE YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT'S CLOSER THAN YOU THINK. SURE. IT WOULD IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE WE BASICALLY BUILD THAT LIST EVERY YEAR AND THEN JUST SEND IT TO THE DEPARTMENTS. SO WHERE, WHERE I WOULD SEE A PROBLEM OR 
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A PROBLEM, BUT I'M ALWAYS JUST SENDING OUT A THIS IS YOUR REPLACEMENT LIST. SO THEN THE DEPARTMENTS ARE STILL GOING TO NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT, MAYBE IN THEIR BUDGET IF THEY WANT TO ADD. SO IF IS AM I DOING THAT? NO, THAT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE. THERE'S A FIRE ALARM BOX OUTSIDE OF MY OFFICE THAT LETS ME KNOW IT'S STILL THERE. HOPING IT'S NOT THE SOUND SYSTEM. BUT YEAH, IF IF YOU'RE JUST WANTING A MASTER, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE LIST OF ALL OF THE COMPUTERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY YEARS OLD AND ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN JUST SEND IT TO Y'ALL INSTEAD OF SENDING IT TO EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. THAT'S REALLY JUST, I MEAN, I GET IT. I'M REALLY, AND I'M REALLY AFTER SOMETHING WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO. WHAT I'M REALLY AFTER IS, IS I DON'T I GET THAT YOU WANT THE DEPARTMENTS TO OWN THOSE THINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT ALL ROLLS UP TO THE COUNTY JUDGE. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT ALL ROLLS UP TO THE COUNTY JUST LIKE FLEET. AND SO I, I IF WE TAKE AN APPROACH OF LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT VERSUS ALL OF THESE ONE OFF DEPARTMENTS, I THINK WE'LL MANAGE IT BETTER IS ALL I'M SAYING. WE'LL MANAGE IT MUCH BETTER. WE'LL BE ABLE TO FORECAST BETTER. WE MAY BUY DIFFERENTLY. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAY CHANGE. IF WE CAN GO TO CREATE SOME EFFICIENCY IN THE WAY WE'RE MANAGING ALL OF OUR I.T STUFF. YEAH, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 
          YOU COULD YOU COULD VISUALIZE US SAYING, HERE'S THE NEED AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE NEED. AND THAT CHANGES THE PARADIGM, WHICH IS WHAT FLEET IS DOING. TELL ME WHAT CAR WHAT, TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED THE CAR TO DO, AND THEN WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT CAR. 
          AND I HAD TWO OFF THE WALL QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LIBRARY CATALOG COMPUTERS, AND WHY? WHY WE'RE HAVING SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM? BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE AS AN AGGREGATE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF COMPUTER IN THE LIBRARY BUDGET THIS YEAR, AND IT'S A LARGE NUMBER. WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT LITTLE RASPBERRY PI'S THAT WERE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS A PIECE, AND WE PUT LINUX ON THEM, AND WE WROTE THESE SCRIPTS AND TRIED TO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND THEN WE BOUGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, I THINK NOOK COMPUTERS. AND THOSE ARE CAUSING ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. AND WE'RE HAVING TO REBOOT THEM ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE TROUBLE. SO WE JUST WANT TO GET GOOD COMPUTERS FOR THE CATALOG COMPUTERS SO THAT IT'S NO LONGER AN ONGOING PROBLEM. THAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO SAVE MONEY BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS ARE DOING IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, A CATALOG AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT. BUT WE'RE COULTER'S HAVING TO WORK ON IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND WE JUST WANT TO GET SOMETHING THAT WORKS. SO THAT'S OUR REASONING. YOU JUST WANT IT TO WORK. I'M SORRY. IT WAS JUST THE WAY HE SUMMARIZED IT. I JUST WANT ONE THAT WORKS. THEY'RE NOT. DID THEY COME WITH A WARRANTY OR ANYTHING? OR IS THAT ALREADY? THOSE ARE DEFINITELY NOT THOSE RASPBERRY PIS. WE BOUGHT RASPBERRY PI'S. 
          I'M JUST LOVING THE NAME. OH, THOSE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HUNDRED DOLLAR COMPUTERS. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE LIKE, BROKEN IN THAT THE HARDWARE WAS BROKEN. IT WAS LIKE, THEY'RE UNRELIABLE. 
          WE HAVE TO REINSTALL THEM AND REBOOT THEM AND STUFF. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE DA IS ASKING FOR? BECAUSE SHE HAS A HUGE YES ASK. AND WHEN WE ASKED HER, SHE IMMEDIATELY SAID, BRIAN WILL BE IN HERE TO EXPLAIN IT, AND I AM I HAVE A WHOLE BIG THING. OKAY, SO THE DA'S OFFICE HAS THIS DIGITAL EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. 
          OURS IS NOT CALLED THAT BECAUSE OURS IS A HOMEGROWN, KIND OF PATCHED TOGETHER THING THAT WE CREATED RIGHT AROUND COVID, KIND OF OUT OF NECESSITY. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HANDLE. HAVE ALL OF THE PDS BRING THINGS IN PHYSICALLY. THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DIGITALLY UPLOAD IT AND GET IT TO THE RIGHT PLACE. SO BACK THEN WE WE HAVE AN FTP SERVER, WE HAVE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND RPD AND ROYSE CITY AND EVERYBODY. THEY, THEY CAN ALL LOG IN AND THEN THEY UPLOAD A CASE FILE TO IT AND THEN IT GOES IN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT. IT'S IT'S COMPLICATED. IT NONE OF IT IS PURPOSE BUILT. IT IS ALL A BUNCH OF EXISTING STUFF THAT WE HAVE PIECED TOGETHER TO MAKE IT 
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WORK. AND OVER THE YEARS, IT HAS JUST GROWN AND GROWN AND GROWN. SO THIS YEAR I SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE I'VE GOT THESE SLIDES, BUT LET'S SEE, THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES WE'VE ADDED TO IT. WE'VE ADDED CLOUD STORAGE TO IT. IT STARTED OFF AS A HALF A TERABYTE. IT'S UP TO 156TB. THE. AND THE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS IT CAN ESSENTIALLY NEVER GO AWAY ONCE WE STORE IT, IT'S YEAH, LEGALLY, LEGALLY, WE, WE THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. THERE COULD BE SOME APPEAL ON A CASE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO THAT 156TB, ALL OF THE COUNTY SERVERS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIKE 30TB. SO THIS IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF DATA COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE. AND IN 2026, WE PAID 17,005 FOR THE CLOUD BACKUP STORAGE PART OF IT. THIS YEAR THAT IS GOING UP TO 26,000. 
          WE'RE IN 26. WE PAID 2000 FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON THE SFTP SERVER THAT WE USE, THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE TO KIND OF DO THE BACK END PART OF IT, OR ACTUALLY THE FRONT END INTAKE PART OF IT THAT WENT UP TO 4K THIS YEAR. THE HARDWARE, WE DID NOT ACTUALLY BUY ANY IN 2026, BUT EVERY YEAR OR TWO, WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND 1015. YOU KNOW, IT'S A TRICKLE. WE RUN OUT OF SPACE AND WE HAVE TO BUY SOMETHING ELSE AND MOVE IT ALL AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS. THIS YEAR, WE WILL NEED TO SPEND 16 TO ADD A BUNCH OF STUFF TO IT, WHICH TOTALS ABOUT 46 THAT WE NEED TO SPEND THIS YEAR. I PUT A BIG LIST OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS I COULD THINK OF. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM. OH, ONE OF THEM I WILL DISCOVERY ERRORS. THAT'S THE ONE I WORRY ABOUT. SO AS THE. THE ATTORNEYS MAKE, THEY NEED TO GET ACCESS TO THAT EVIDENCE. THEY. I GUESS YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT DISCOVERY IS, BUT THEY. WE HAVE TO GO AND FIND A LOG SOMETIMES OF WHEN THEY ACCESSED IT. AND I WOULD JUST BE WORRIED THAT WE HAVE TO DIG THROUGH LIKE A SERVER LOG. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. IT'S NOT VERY STRUCTURED. AND I'D BE AFRAID THAT MAYBE DISCOVERY WOULD GET CHALLENGED IN COURT. 
          OTHER PROBLEMS THERE TOO, BUT LET'S GO ON. SO I GOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE FROM IT, AND THE DA'S OFFICE GOT JARED AND I, RACHEL, KINDA CHRISTIAN. AND MEREDITH WAS SO KIND TO JOIN US, EVEN THOUGH SHE WASN'T EVEN IN THE DA'S OFFICE ANYMORE. AND WE WENT TO ALL THESE DEMOS FOR DIFFERENT DIGITAL EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. HERE'S FOUR OF THEM THAT WE LOOKED AT. THIS DISMAL AI ONE WAS REALLY COOL. IT KIND OF SEARCHED THROUGH EVERYTHING AND IT COST HALF $1 MILLION. SO THIS ONE WAS 266. AXON, I THINK LOOKED OKAY. IT WAS 102,000. THAT ONE'S A PRETTY STANDARD ONE. BUT THE ONE THAT THE GROUP SORT OF KIND OF CAME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WAS THIS COMPANY CALLED PINE TECHNOLOGIES. AND THAT ONE CAME IN AT ABOUT 110. AND MIND YOU, THESE ARE YEARLY. SO. THIS THIS WAS THE QUOTE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STORAGE TIERS FOR RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 50TB OF ACTIVE STORAGE. THE DA'S OFFICE GOES THROUGH AND MARK'S CASE IS CLOSED. AND THEN THEY CAN GO INTO A CHEAPER TIER FOR FOR COLD STORAGE. AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE US 10,001 TIME JUST TO GET ALL THE DATA OVER THERE. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE FULL MIGRATION OF THAT $46,000 FOR SPENDING. SO YOU SAID THAT WE HAD. YEAH. SO THAT'S A FULL MIGRATION. THAT WOULD BE. NOW THAT SAID, IF THIS THING KEEPS GROWING, THIS WILL GO UP BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARGING US PER TERABYTE. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO DO YOU BELIEVE 50 OF ACTIVE IS IS SUFFICIENT. I MEAN THAT SEEMS LIKE AN INCREDIBLE LOT OF JUST CASES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING NOW. OKAY. SO WHICH IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING NOW AND WE MOVE ALL OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SAY WITHIN A YEAR IS CLOSED, WE'RE GOING TO CHEW THROUGH THAT 106 FAIRLY QUICKLY. 106 IS WHAT WE'RE USING NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE HAVE 50 THAT'S ACTIVE THAT THEY'RE USING IT. ALL THOSE CASES WILL BE DISPOSED OF SOME WAY AND THEN WE'LL GET MOVED TO COLD. RIGHT. COULD WE BE GOING UP 50 EVERY YEAR. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
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AND THEN PLAY THAT PRICE OUT. DO WE GET TO WHERE THE AI PRICE IS EVENTUALLY. AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? YEAH, WE GET THERE VERY QUICKLY. YEAH, I. YEAH. DOES THE AI HAVE THESE RESTRICTIONS ON STORAGE? THEY WERE THEY DID ALL HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PRICING MODELS, BUT I THINK THEY ALL WERE BASICALLY ABOUT THE STORAGE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND WE CAN COME UP WITH WHERE THE COLD STORAGE GETS STORED LOCALLY HERE OR SOMETHING. BUT THEN WE'RE STILL THAT BIG INFRASTRUCTURE THING THAT I'M HAVING TO MAINTAIN IS GOING TO BE SITTING THERE WITH COLD STUFF IN IT. SO RIGHT. WHICH IS GOING TO BE THAT PENDING TRAIN COMING DOWN THE TRACK, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION. I JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS A ONGOING PROBLEM. THIS IS AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT WOULD MOVE US TOWARDS SOME KIND OF WAY TO GO. BUT YEAH, IT'S EXPENSIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF IT AND IT AIN'T GOING AWAY. WELL, AND THERE'S STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW SAYS YOU WILL MAINTAIN. YEAH, YOU WILL DO THIS. AND YOU KNOW, I HATE TO EVEN CALL THIS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, BUT IT IS IT IS AN UNFUNDED REQUIREMENT. AND SO YOUR CONCERN IS THAT IN A DISCOVERY PROCESS WHERE WE MAY HAVE AN ISSUE AT SOME POINT, OR COULD I'D BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M WORRIED. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF DATA. IT WOULD ALSO TAKE ME A REALLY LONG TIME TO RESTORE ALL OF THIS DATA. LIKE I DO HAVE BACKUPS OF IT, BUT IT MIGHT TAKE TWO WEEKS TO JUST TO RESTORE ALL OF THIS. AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO TEST IT, BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE BUY ALL OF THE STUFF TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO I IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF DATA. SO IT'S, IT'S A BURDEN. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT, BUT I THOUGHT I'D PUT THIS, THESE OPTIONS HERE FOR EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. IS THIS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD GO BACKWARDS. JUST START PRINTING ALL THIS STUFF OUT AND STORING IT SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY, I WAS REMEMBERING THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHERE THEY'RE JUST CARD FILES AND A LIBRARIAN THAT WENT TO THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM. AND WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL VIDEOS AND PHONE DUMPS, SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I WISH YOU COULD. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT. IS THIS FAIR? WHAT I SAID, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE FOR MR. CRENSHAW? NO. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. NO, JUST A COMMENT. GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. DID A GOOD JOB. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          I LIKE THE WAY YOU RATE THEM FOR US. THAT THAT HELPS A LOT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, AT
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