Aug 11, 2026 Commissioners Court Regular Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING IN THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. IT IS AUGUST 11TH, 2026, 9 A.M. I'M GOING TO CALL OUR REGULAR ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING TO ORDER. COMMISSIONER MACK IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION. THEN I WILL LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. THANK YOU. WILL YOU BOW YOUR HEADS, PLEASE? HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER TODAY. WE COME TO YOU WITH HEARTS FULL OF GRATITUDE AND FOR THE WORK THAT YOU WILL ALLOW US TO TO DO TODAY. EVEN THOUGH THE WEATHER'S BEEN PRETTY WARM, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROTECTIVE HAND AND KEEPING US SAFE AND SECURE AND COMFORTABLE. WE ASK THAT YOUR BLESSINGS WILL BE UPON THE WORK OF THIS COURT TODAY. GUIDE US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR OUR COUNTY, OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR CITIZENS, AND THAT EACH OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WILL GUIDE OUR INTERACTIONS AND WILL STRENGTHEN OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND INSPIRE US TO SERVE WITH PURPOSE AND KINDNESS. LORD, I ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THE COURAGEOUS MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR COUNTIES AND PRESERVE OUR FREEDOMS. I THANK THEM FOR THEIR SACRIFICES AND I PRAY THAT WE GIVE THEM THE. THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM THE STRENGTH AND KEEP THEM SAFE AND GUARD THEIR FAMILIES FROM THE STRESS THAT THEY SURELY ENDURE. WE THANK YOU AGAIN IN EVERY SITUATION, AND WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE ACTIVE AND ALWAYS WORKING AMONG US. AND IT IS IN JESUS CHRIST'S NAME THAT WE PRAY. AMEN, AMEN. LET'S PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS FLAG HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM

[1.A) Employee of the Quarter/Second Quarter 2026: Allana Crenshaw – Auditor’s Office]

AND MY FRIEND AND I THANK. COMMISSIONER STACY WANTS TO TO ADD SOME. YES, I DO, I WANT TO SEND YOU A VERY SPECIAL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY FOR THREE YEARS ON ARPA. ARPA HAS INCREASED THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TREMENDOUSLY. IT IS A. IT IS $20 MILLION, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COUNTY SIDE, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON THE CLOSEOUT OF ARPA. SO I THINK AT THAT POINT, ELENA AND I NEED A PIZZA PARTY WHEN WE

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ELENA, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WELL DESERVED, WELL DESERVED. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM TWO, THE PUBLIC FORUM. IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT REGARDING ANY COUNTY MATTERS. NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. BUT THAT WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM SPEAKING. SO IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD NOW. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL

[3.A) Discuss/Act on the creation or modification of a policy from the Court describing the parameters of the art display project, how artworks will be selected, where they will be displayed, etc. and inclusion of a waiver or release to guard against damage or destruction of the art pieces, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

THIS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY THAT THE LORD HAS TRULY BLESSED ME WITH, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A POSSIBILITY UNTIL, WELL, THIS SUMMER, AND I HAD A GREAT TIME GETTING TO TALK TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, EITHER THAT WAS IN PASSING OR IN DAY TO DAY. JUST KNOW THAT IT MADE A LARGE IMPACT ON ME AND JUST ALLOWED ME TO REALLY SEE THE WAY THAT THE LORD WORKS THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. WITH THAT BEING SAID, A LITTLE BACKSTORY TO THIS. I GUESS FOR EVERYONE WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW, I WAS BROUGHT TO JUDGE, KNEW, AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAS A NEW IDEA. WELL, A NEW IDEA AS OF FOR AN INTERN, BUT AN OLD IDEA THAT HE'S BEEN REALLY WANTING TO PURSUE. AND I THINK IMMEDIATELY AFTER GETTING TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND UNDERSTANDING YOUR HEART BEHIND THIS, I THINK IT'S A GRAND IDEA.

AND I FEEL SO BLESSED TO BE THE ONE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE ROCKWALL ART COMMISSION. THIS WAS SOMETHING AT FIRST I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME KIND OF INTERIOR DESIGN. I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS PERFECT. I'M A GIRL. LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I LOVE TO DO.

BUT IN REALITY, IT WAS A BIGGER IMPACT THAN THAT. AND AS I GOT TO KNOW MORE, I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO GET TO PARTAKE IN THIS JOURNEY. I GOT TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ROCKWALL ART LEAGUE. TAMMY PENNINGTON, WHO'S THE NEW PRESIDENT, SHE'S WONDERFUL. AND I ALSO GOT TO WORK WITH BARRY COMPTON A LOT AS WELL ON THIS PROJECT. WITH THOSE TWO, WITH THE HELP OF THEM, I WAS ALLOWED TO. I WAS ABLE TO GO TO EACH ROCKWALL COUNTY BUILDING, AUDIT THE DIFFERENT SPACES AVAILABLE, AND I SEE WHY JUDGE NEW WANTS TO INTRODUCE THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WALL SPACE AND A LOT OF BLANK WALLS THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF LOVE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE SPENT THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING ON THIS AND KIND OF READING THROUGH SOME POLICIES, UNDERSTANDING WHAT CHANGES MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK WE'VE REACHED SOMEWHAT OF A CONCLUSION, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU. ALL THAT I BROUGHT TODAY. IT'S JUST OUTLINING IN THE ORDERS FROM PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS COURTS MEETINGS, WHAT WAS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I GUESS, ESSENTIALLY TO EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS, AND WHAT WAS OUTLINING OR

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I GUESS I LOOK BACK IN OLD ERAS, HOW ART USED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS A WAY OF LIFE, AND PEOPLE COULD COME TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE OR ENJOY AS A COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THIS IS BRINGING THAT OLD TRADITION BACK TO ROCKWALL COUNTY, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO JUST UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT OUR COUNTY AND PERHAPS FELLOW ROCKWALL IONS ARE CAPABLE OF, WHETHER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE STAIRS, UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE, WHETHER THAT'S JUST SITTING AND WAITING ON ANY LEVEL THERE OR GOING TO GET YOUR DRIVERS, YOUR DM. I KNOW THEY DO STUFF WITH THE DMV THERE, WHATEVER THAT ENTAILS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I THINK BEING ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THESE ARTISTS ABILITIES, THERE WOULD ALSO BE TREMENDOUS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT THEY COULD GO. SO I HAVE A I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. FOR YOU. AND, AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS. IT'S BEEN TREMENDOUS. SO WHEN I ASK AINSLEY TO DO THIS, I REALLY, LIKE I DO MANY TIMES DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS ASKING HER TO DO, BUT KIND OF VISION ESCAPED MY MY IDEAS. AND SHE TOOK IT AND RAN WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR AN MOU WITH THE ARTIST AND REALLY DEFINE. AND AINSLEY DID THE WORK AND CAME BACK AND SAID, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SHE WORKED WITH CRAIG AND SAID, YOU JUST NEED TO AMEND A COUPLE POLICIES YOU HAVE AND THEN IT WILL ALLOW THIS. SO SHE'S IDENTIFIED THE POLICIES THAT WOULD BE REAL, REAL EASY TO AMEND. AND I THINK AT A FUTURE COURT WILL PROBABLY BRING THAT BACK AND MAKE ANGEL AINSLEY'S AMENDMENTS WILL CODIFY THOSE. THEN THEN BEYOND THAT, IT'S JUST GETTING WITH BARRIE AND, AND, AND THE ARTIST AND MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ART AND GETTING WITH BARRIE AND HOW HE WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE THE ART AND HANG THE ART. AND SO

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YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE POLICIES THAT INCLUDE OUTSIDE VENDORS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO MAKE ONE POLICY TO TAKE THE TWO AND MAKE THEM ONE. I'M THAT WAY. THERE'S ONE GUIDING PRINCIPLE. EVEN IF WE JUST TAKE ALL OF THE LANGUAGE FROM ONE AND JUST STICK IT IN THE OTHER ONE, AND THEN THERE IS A COMMITTEE IN SECTION FOUR OF THE OLD ONE. SO WE NEED TO ALSO ADOPT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMMITTEE THAT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD JUST TRY TO MAKE ONE POLICY THAT WE CAN CITE AND USE SO THAT THE ART LEAGUE IS VERY CONSISTENT, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO REFER TO 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT POLICIES. IT'S ALL COMBINED INTO ONE. AND THEN WE'LL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE STANDING ORDER AND ALL THE OTHER ORDERS ARE ARE GONE. BUT BUT YEAH, IF THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF ONTO IS JUST BROADENING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE AND THEN HONING IN WHERE AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT. SO GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ARTISTS IN THE ROOM AND SMILING AT ONE OF THEM, BUT A LOT OF TIMES ARTISTS WILL DO A SKETCH.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OR YOU, TAMMY, HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS A PROCESS SO THAT THEY DON'T GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE THE COMMITTEE IN THIS CASE, AS COMMISSIONER STACY JUST OUTLINED, MAY OR MAY NOT WANT. HAVE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT? AND AND I WANT TO MAKE IT EASY ON THEM AS WELL. I DON'T WANT THEM TO JUMP INTO A LOT OF WORK AND IT BE SOMETHING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WAS AN EARLY QUESTION THAT JUDGE, YOU AND I CAME TO THE DRAWING BOARD ABOUT, JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, OR IF THAT'S HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, JUST. YEAH, YEAH, JUST LIKE WHAT MIGHT BE GOING UP ON THE WALLS. I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INITIAL PROCESS OF LIKE SUBMISSION OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF. AND THEN I THINK THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE, OR AS FAR AS I'M UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING OF BARRY, IS THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW. AND SO HE, HE HE RAISED HIS HAND. BARRY, YOU'RE IN CHARGE. HE IS THE COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF THINGS. SO SO MY THOUGHTS TO THAT, I WANT OUR LOCAL ARTISTS, IF THEY'RE KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO HANG THEIR ART IN THE BUILDING, I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR ART. AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR NAME, HOW MUCH IT'S SELLING FOR. AND MY HOPE IS THAT THEY SELL PLENTY OF THEM THAT IT SOLD.

AND THEN, HEY, BRING US ANOTHER ONE. AND IT'S JUST A TURNSTILE. AND BACK TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET TEN PEOPLE IN A ROOM IN ROCKWALL COUNTY WHERE THERE'S NOT AN ARTIST IN THE ROOM. WE WE HAVE SUCH A VIBRANT ART COMMUNITY THAT JUST PRODUCES TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS ARTWORK AND, AND STRIVING FOR BEAUTY IS NOT A BAD THING. AND OUR, OUR BIG BLANK CANVAS WALLS ARE, ARE, ARE A GOOD VENUE TO HAVE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL THERE. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO GO OVER? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK I'VE COVERED ALL MY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S LET'S GO OVER AINSLEY DAVIS REAL QUICK. WHERE, WHERE WHERE ARE YOU NOW? WHERE YOU'RE GOING. WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD FOR YOU? YEAH. SO I JUST TOOK MY LSAT LAST WEEK.

OKAY. PRAY FOR ME, PLEASE. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO HOPEFULLY RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING AT A LAW FIRM IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS FOR IP AND EMPLOYMENT. LAWYER OR ATTORNEY, I SHOULD SAY. AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING AS A PARALEGAL THERE. SO FOR NOW, THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE DOING. AND THEN I PLAN ON APPLYING TO LAW SCHOOL WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OR SO. AND HOPEFULLY I CAN WRAP THAT UP BY THANKSGIVING AND ENJOY MY HOLIDAYS. WONDERFUL. WE'LL LET US KNOW WHERE YOUR PATH TAKES YOU AS. AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I'M A BIG FAN. LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO TO HELP. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU ALL. IT WAS SUCH A PLEASURE. I HOPE THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME THAT I'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU OR SPEAKING TO YOU ALL. SO IN THE MEANTIME, I JUST PRAY FOR PRAY FOR YOU ALL, AND THAT EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS BLESSED IN SOME WAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL BRING BACK A POLICY. YEAH. JUST THANKFUL AINSLEY GOT US TO THIS

[3.B) Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Courthouse Courtroom additions 3rd floor project, and all related issues; (Commissioner Gallana)]

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AND BY NOT, NOT NOT NOT OURS. THIS IS EXTERNAL AUDITORS ONLY. OURS IS FANTASTIC. OKAY. YEAH,

[3.C) Discuss/Act on updates and progress related to the Sheriff's remodel, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

SO I JUST WANT THE COURT TO KNOW PROBABLY ON THE NEXT REGULAR AGENDA, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SEVERAL PCO'S AND OCHO, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LOT OF OUR FINAL THINGS THAT WE'RE FIGURING OUT. SO KIND OF KIND OF WITH THAT, THERE IS ONE THAT WE SIGNED ON HERE IN CONSENT, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE PATROL AREA, WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE THEM IN SOME OF THE FIRE SUPPRESSION ISSUES. WHEN WE SEPARATED THE JAIL, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PATROL AREA STILL HAD FIRE MONITORING IN IT. SO I WENT AHEAD AND SIGNED THAT. SO WE JUST MOVED THAT THROUGH AND THAT DIDN'T GET STALLED. BUT SAL AND I, WE TALKED YESTERDAY, AND WE'RE HOPING BY THE END OF THE WEEK, HIM AND I WILL HAVE SOME STUFF KIND OF WORKED OUT AND HONED IN. AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING TO PUTTING THAT ON ON THE NEXT COURT. BUT I'LL LET YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN UPDATE ON CONSTRUCTION AND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THE THE BULK OF CONSTRUCTION IS SLOWING DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO GET THINGS FINISHED OUT UP IN THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE OFFICE IS, THE SHERIFF'S ACTUAL OFFICES ARE. THAT'S STILL GOT THE MOST, THE MOST ROOM TO, TO KIND OF BE FINISHED OUT. BUT IN THE REST OF THE SPACES, WE'RE ACTUALLY STARTING TO GET SOME EQUIPMENT AND SOME, SOME MATERIALS GETTING DELIVERED. SO I THINK WE HAD SOME, THE CHAIRS FOR DISPATCH GET DELIVERED, THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT FOR THE TRAINING ROOM AS WELL. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER ITEMS SCHEDULED. WE DO HAVE RELATIVE TENTATIVE DATES FOR FURNITURE INSTALL AS WELL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TRACKING STILL FOR THE END OF CONSTRUCTION. STOREFRONT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT WENT IN OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. THAT'S A VERY LARGE STEP. THAT'S KIND OF YOUR YOUR ENCLOSURES FOR THE TWO DOORS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN THE MAIN NEW ENTRANCE ON, ON THE FRONT SIDE. OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE RECENTLY SIGNED PAY APP 11, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPED FINISH OUT THE ARPA FUNDS OR HELPED PAY OUT FINISH OUT THE PAYOUT FOR ARPA FUNDS. SO THE NEXT PAY APP SHOULD NOT IMPACT ARPA AT ALL. AND JOHN, THE, THE, THE FIRE SUPPRESSION, YOU DID SAY IT'S IN THE CONSENT THOUGH, THAT THAT WAS ALREADY COVERED IN ONE OF THE BUDGET ITEMS. RIGHT. THAT'S COMING OUT CONTINGENCY. YEAH. ALREADY SIGNED THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S IN THE CONTINGENCY. IT'S FIRE ALARM NOT FIRE. FIRE ALARM. I'M SORRY I MISSPOKE BUT YES, THE FIRE ALARM. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SAL.

[3.D) Discuss/Act on the Rockwall County Courthouse Renovation — DA Expansion project at 1111 E. Yellowjacket Lane, Rockwall, Texas (second-floor interior renovation for expansion of the Criminal District Attorney's office space, plus fourth-floor alternates), including: approval of the bid documents prepared by Parkhill (Project No. 45825.25) and revisions and addenda thereto; selection of competitive bidding under Chapter 2269, Texas Government Code, including any best-value determination required by Section 2269.056 of that code; and authorization for County Auditor Lisa Constant Wylie to advertise and publish notice, to set bid and pre-bid dates, and to receive and publicly open sealed bids, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

COMMISSIONER STACY, WHO WROTE THAT AGENDA ITEM? ARNOLD. OH MY GOODNESS. SO WE CAN WE CAN THANK HIM. HE WROTE A GREAT ITEM. I HAVE A REAL QUICK SNAPSHOT FROM AN EMAIL THAT SAL SENT. YOU CAN HAVE THIS BECAUSE YOU THAT WAY YOU CAN REFERENCE IT. YEAH, IT HAS THE DATES. SO HERE'S THE OUTLINE. MOST OF THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE WITH LISA, SAL AND CRAIG. AND SO THEY'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO GET THE BID DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. AND I JUST GRABBED THIS

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DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF MONIES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THIS? IS THAT TOO EARLY OF A QUESTION? AND I BELIEVE IT'S A LITTLE EARLY OF A QUESTION BECAUSE, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE COULD GET TO THE BIDS AND REALIZE THAT WE CAN'T DO IT. AND THEN WE JUST. YEAH, EXACTLY. I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THOSE. I MEAN, ALTHOUGH WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GENERAL IDEA FOR, FOR THE BUDGET. CORRECT. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. YEAH. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WHAT OUR KIND OF TARGET WAS, RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY NUMBER THAT I WOULD KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS. YES, MA'AM.

THE FUNDING FOR PARK HILL THAT THE COURT APPROVED THEIR CONTRACT THAT THAT'S COVERED, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL KNOW MORE WHEN WE GET THE THIRD FLOOR AUDIT FINALIZED. WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE FROM THERE. SHERIFF'S REMODEL. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT THINNED OUT. SO THERE MAY BE MONEY AVAILABLE THAT THAT'S NOT YET KNOWN. SO WE'RE HOPING ON THAT. GOT IT. GOT IT. WE'RE BEING OPTIMISTIC. SO SO THE NEED IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. AND I THINK I MEAN WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER THAT YOU WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT INTERNAL BIDDING. I THINK THE LAST ONE THAT I CAME UP WITH, WHICH I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT COST PER SQUARE FOOT, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE THE 225 RANGE WAS AROUND 780 TO 800,000, IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT TO BE AT, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDE ALL OF YOUR F AND E INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. SO THAT'S IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE SAFE, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A MILLION AND UNDER. BUT THAT'S KIND OF YOUR ALL IN NUMBER, NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION. YOUR CONSTRUCTION BID SHOULD BE IN THAT 7 TO $800,000 RANGE. DO YOU HAVE PLANS? YES, SIR. YEAH. WE HAVE 100% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO OUT WITH THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SANITIZED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COURT'S SEEN THEM, BUT BUT BARRY'S GONE THROUGH AND WITH THE FINISHES TO TO KEEP THE FINISHES CONSISTENT.

AND AND THE PLANS ARE ALL DRAWN UP. IT HASN'T CHANGED FROM ANY OF THE SCHEMATICS THAT THE COURT HAS SEEN. YES. THE WALLS ARE ALMOST IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT. I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE IS WE FOUND A PIPE CHASE AND LIKE A ROOF TRAIN THAT WE HAD FOR AROUND. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN THE EXACT SAME, WHICH IS AS MANY OFFICES AS POSSIBLE IN THAT SPACE, CORRECT? YEAH. I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 800 GRAND THAT WE NEED. YEAH, I WOULD ASSUME BALLPARKING, BUT BASED ON WHAT I THINK IS COMING OUT OF THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS, I THINK WE'LL BE AT 800 GRAND. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT IS THIS DOCUMENT WE WERE GIVEN? LISA? THOSE ARE THE BID SPECIFICATIONS. YEAH. THE ACTUAL RFQ THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT THAT SELLS, REFERRING TO THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO BID ON THE CONSTRUCTION COST. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY YOUR ADVERTISEMENT TO BIDDERS, YOUR, YOUR BID FORM THAT THEY HAVE TO TURN IN. CONSN SECTIONS AFTER THAT. BUT THIS IS MEANT TO PAIR WITH THE THE DRAWINGS. SO ANY BIDDER NEEDS TO HAVE THE DRAWINGS. AND THIS IS THEIR RULES THAT THE SHEETS YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE, THOSE ARE THE RULES FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY PUT THEIR BID IN. OKAY. AND JUST FYI, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO GET THESE BEFORE THIS MORNING AND MORE OF A COMPLETE PACKAGE. SO WE'RE NOT BINDING OURSELVES TO DO ANYTHING THIS MORNING. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OUT FOR A BID AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST. AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE GOT MONEY AND IF WE LIKE THE PRODUCT AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO YEAH, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE BINDING YOURSELF TO IS THE COST OF THE NEWSPAPER. ADVERTISEMENT. AND MY OFFICE'S TIME. AND OF COURSE, SALVADOR'S TIME TO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I THINK THIS DOES REQUIRE ACTION

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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES

[3.E) Discuss/Act on an Order calling the General Election on November 3, 2026; and all related issues; (Judge New - Election Administrator)]

MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ELECTION UNTIL THE COURT CALLS FOR AN ELECTION AND THEN DIRECTS THE ELECTIONS OFFICE TO MANAGE THAT ELECTION. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. FIRE AWAY. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT ROYSE CITY IS NOT INCLUDED IN EARLY VOTING. SO THAT'S AGENDA ITEM THREE F WELL, THE YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED NOT TO LIKE IT. MY MY POINT IS. WE ARE WE ARE. I WAS JUST WISHING SOMEONE FROM THE ELECTION OFFICE WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF POLLING LOCATIONS FOR A MUCH BIGGER ELECTION THAN A CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2024 ELECTION, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST SEE HOW MANY ELECTION SPOTS THIS WAS IN, THE BACKUP, HOW MANY ELECTION SITES WERE IN THERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER ELECTION. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE CALLING AN ELECTION FOR COUNTY OFFICES, WHICH IS TRUE. AND MOST OF THOSE COUNTY OFFICES ARE UNOPPOSED. BUT WE DO HAVE AN AG RACE, A GOVERNOR'S RACE, A UNITED STATES SENATOR'S RACE. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO CONSOLIDATING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TURNOUT OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE VOTING, I JUST WANTED SOME INFORMATION ON WHY THESE PARTICULAR ONES WERE CALLED OUT.

AND IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO USE THE ON THE GENERAL ELECTION, WE'RE USING THE ANNEX, THE EDUCATION, THE EDUCATION CENTER AT CITY HALL, HE CITY HALL IN ROWLETT. UTILITY. THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPREAD SPREADING OUT OF THE COUNTY. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT FROM EARLY VOTE THROUGH ELECTION DAY TO JUST RUN THE ELECTION IN THOSE LOCATIONS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY OPINION. I THINK THAT THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ROWLETT LOCATION CAN BE USED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ON 30 COMING FROM ROYSE CITY INTO TOWN CAN BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I WAS STUCK IN TRAFFIC FOR 45 MINUTES LAST NIGHT AT 9 P.M. LEAVING ROYSE CITY HIGH SCHOOL. COMING IN TO FATE FROM A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. SO IT'S JUST WITH WITH THAT, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE 30 UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND JUST WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ORDERS, JUST KEEP THOSE VOTING LOCATIONS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ELECTION. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE. I HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT TOO. DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET. NO. SO I WOULD SAY THAT I MEAN, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ELECTION COMING UP. AND I AM ON THE SIDE OF LET'S AND I KNOW IT COSTS US MONEY, BUT I WANT AS MANY LOCATIONS OPEN AS WE CAN POSSIBLY OPEN SO THAT WE GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO GO VOTE THE EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE. SO WE'LL HAVE TURNOUT. I I'M WITH YOU. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE ROYSE CITY OPENED ROWLETT OPEN ALL THE PLACES THAT WE HAD IN 24 TO SOME DEGREE SHOULD BE OPEN.

AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE ELECTION. I JUST I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BODY THAT THAT IS CRITICIZED FOR NOT HAVING ENOUGH POLLING LOCATIONS OR MAKING IT HARD TO GO VOTE. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE BODY THAT IS CRITICIZED FOR THAT. WE COULD HAVE EVERY HOUSEHOLD VOTE AGAINST IT. YEAH. SO AGAIN, THREE E IS CALLING THE ELECTION. AND I DO REALIZE ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER THEY DIDN'T PUT ROYSE CITY. BUT THEN THREE F IS SETTING THE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, WHICH DOES HAVE ROYSE CITY. YEAH. HAS THE EPICENTER. AND THAT'S WHY I

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YEAH. MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE NEXT DOCUMENT. YEAH. WHICH CALLS FOR THE LOCATIONS.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT WAS MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT THE ORDER FOR ELECTION DOESN'T INCLUDE THEM, BUT THE EARLY VOTING DOES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MESS UP AND HAVE TO DO DIFFERENT, BECAUSE CALLING THE ORDER IS VERY IMPORTANT. NO, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CALL THE GENERAL ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2026, WITH THE FOLLOWING EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS. ROCKWALL COUNTY COURTHOUSE ANNEX, EARNEST EPPS, EDUCATION CENTER, CITY HALL, HE CITY HALL, AND ROWLETT UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER. I'LL SECOND MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES

[3.F) Discuss/Act on Early Voting and Election Day locations for the 2026 General Election, and all related issues; (Judge New - Elections Administrator)]

[3.G) Discuss/Act on authorizing Requests for Proposals and/or Requests for Qualifications for a pre-qualified list to select consultants and/or engineers for future on system road projects including, without limitation, FM 2453, and a pre-qualified list to select consultants and/or engineers for future county road projects including, without limitation, Poetry Road, Edwards Road and North County Line Road, and all related matters; (Commissioner Liechty - Commissioner Stacy)]

AND AS I WAS LED TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE BASICALLY OUT OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW FOR ROADS, AND WE ASSIGNED EVERYBODY. AND WHICH MADE ME SO HAPPY BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE'RE ACTUALLY OUT THERE WORKING AND BUILDING ROADS, RIGHT? SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT THE TIMETABLE SHOULD BE AND WHAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE.

AND WE DECIDED TO GO WITH BOTH FOR ON SYSTEM AND AND LOCAL ROADS. AND WE EXTENDED THE TIMETABLE. SO MOST OF THE EVALUATION WILL BE DONE AFTER OCTOBER 1ST. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. AND SO I MEAN, TO ME IT'S WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS, COMMISSIONER STACY'S REVIEWED IT, I'VE REVIEWED IT. WE'VE HAD COMMENTS. THEY'VE BEEN ANSWERED TO MY SATISFACTION. THE MATERIALS ARE IN YOUR THE THE RFQS ARE IN YOUR MATERIALS. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO IT.

AND SO WE CAN START GETTING OUT THERE AND BRINGING IN MORE ENGINEERS AVAILABLE TO DO WORK.

AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. WELL SAID. THAT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION. I LIKE IT, I LIKE IT. WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IF NO ONE HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL LET

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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ONE ONE LAST THING. YOU NEED TO AUTHORIZE ME TO ADVERTISE AND BID. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT DIDN'T MAKE THE THE LONG AGENDA ITEM. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL JUST MAKE THIS A FUN MOTION. I WILL I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ALLOW THE COUNTY AUDITOR, LISA CONSTANT WILEY, TO DO ALL THE ADVERTISING NECESSARY. SO WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. DO DO WE STILL HAVE A SECOND. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT AMENDMENT. WE HAVE A SECOND. AND IF I AM NOT LOOKING AT COUNTY CLERK FOG OR SHE'S GOING TO START THROWING STUFF AT US TOO. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL

[3.H) Discuss/Act on County ROW Crossing Agreement for Flock Safety to install a pole-mounted traffic camera and associated equipment on the east side of the Poetry Rd right-of-way at the intersection with Boxwood Dr, and all related issue; (Commissioner Liechty)]

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AND I SAY, YES, THEY CAN, BUT I CAN LEAVE MY PHONE AT HOME. I CAN'T TAKE THE FLOCK CAMERA DOWN IF I'M UP THERE. SO TO ME, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE HAD SOMETHING COME UP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHERE WE WERE DEALING WITH MONITORING HIGH CRIME AREAS, PARKING LOTS, THINGS WHERE WE HAD STOLEN CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. AND I WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT. I VOTED FOR THAT. I DON'T WANT IT BY ANY MEANS. STRIP OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OF NECESSARY TOOLS.

THIS LOCATION IS REALLY OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. AND I, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. AND SINCE IT IS 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR LIBERTY, I WOULD LIKE TO QUOTE BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, ONE OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, WHO SAID THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY. AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I AM OPPOSED TO THIS. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER GALENA, I SEE YOUR FINGER ON THE BUTTON. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A VERY HOTLY DEBATED TOPIC IN THE 90TH. AND AND THEY ARE I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AT LEGISLATION TO EITHER ABOLISH THIS SIMILAR TO RED LIGHT CAMERAS OR TO REIN IT IN SIGNIFICANTLY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I KNOW THAT OUR OWN STATE SENATOR HAS ALREADY MADE A COMMENT, SEVERAL COMMENTS, THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY ITEM FOR HIM. AND SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE HOTLY DEBATED SOON. AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE TODAY IS GOING TO HOLD UP ANYWAY AFTER THE LEGISLATURE, AFTER THE LEGISLATORS GET A HOLD OF IT. YEAH. COMMISSIONER MACLIN WELL, THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF ON THAT SAME TRAIN, THOUGHT THAT DO WE DO WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS NOW? OR DO WE KIND OF WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO. BECAUSE I SHARE SOME OF COMMISSIONER LEACH'S CONCERNS AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, AND BUT AGAIN, CRIME IS CRIME. AND AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE CRIMES COMING FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY OR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF WHERE THE LOCATION IS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE. COMMISSIONER. STACY. WELL, IN THE LAST 60 DAYS, LAUREN AND I BOTH PLAYED BENJAMIN FRANKLIN IN PLAYS. AND SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUOTE. BUT I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I AGREE AS WELL. AND. I'M NOT AGAINST LP'S LICENSE PLATE READERS. I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I KNOW IN THE NEWS RECENTLY HAS BEEN SOME ROGUE OFFICERS USING IT INAPPROPRIATELY. THAT'S AN AGENCY ISSUE. THAT'S NOT A CAMERA ISSUE. BUT TO COMMISSIONER LYNCH'S POINT, WE DO HAVE OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT. I WOULD LIKE FLOCK TO COME BACK OR WHOEVER. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER COMPETITORS OUT THERE. I THINK THEY NEED MORE GUARDRAILS BECAUSE AS YOU REMEMBER, MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO, WE APPROVED FLOCK CAMERAS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THEIR CONTRACT, SAID FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OR OTHER THIRD PARTIES. AND WE WENT BACK AND STRUCK THROUGH OTHER THIRD PARTIES, SENT IT BACK TO THEM.

AND I THOUGHT, THEY'LL NEVER SIGN THAT. THEY SIGNED IT IMMEDIATELY, HAD NO ISSUES WITH IT, SIGNED IT AND SENT IT BACK. WELL, SINCE THEN, I'VE DISCOVERED ONE REASON THEY CAN DO THAT IS THE STATE OF WASHINGTON HAS RULED IN THEIR COURT AND THEIR STATE SUPREME COURT, THAT THE DATA KEPT ON THE FLOCK SYSTEM IS SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS. AND SO WHEN YOUR DATA HERE IS KEPT SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IS SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS, THAT'S THE WEAK LINK.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE OPEN DOOR THAT ALL THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE VIA WASHINGTON STATE.

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BUT MAN, I'M GOING TO NEED TO SEE SOME GUARDRAILS, SOME, SOME WAYS WHERE, HEY, WE'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THAT BIG NETWORK. WE KEEP OUR DATA SILOED HERE FOR OUR USE. JUDGE, OBVIOUSLY, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT INTERESTING POINT ON THAT. I, I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT THAT WASHINGTON CASE BECAUSE WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. YOU GOT LEGAL PRINCIPLES IN WASHINGTON AND THEY'RE OPEN RECORDS. AND THEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND OUR CONTRACT. THEY CAN'T VIOLATE THAT CONTRACT. AND IF THEY ARE PUTTING THE INFORMATION INTO AN ARENA WHICH ALLOWS SOMEONE OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ACCESS IT, WE COULD VERY EASILY HAVE A BREACH OF CONTRACT WITH THEM. AND IF THAT'S HAPPENING, I WOULD LOVE IT IF OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR US. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY IS SO INCLINED. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. I THINK I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A PULL MART MOUNTED TRAFFIC CAMERA AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF POETRY ROAD. RIGHT OF WAY AT THE INTERSECTION WITH BOXWOOD DRIVE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I'LL SECOND IT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTE.

[3.I) Discuss/Act on updates of the Rockwall County Master Thoroughfare Plan, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty – County Engineer)]

I MEAN, WITH THE REVISIONS THAT THEY GIVE US BACK. YES, EXACTLY. I AGREE WITH YOU WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND IT HASN'T CHANGED TO MY KNOWLEDGE. AND IF I MISS SOMETHING TELL ME. BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS THAT THE FIRST DRAFT WE GOT WAS HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT IT WOULD JUST BE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE CLEANED UP. AND SO WE'VE ASKED FREEZE NICHOLS TO DO THAT. AND THEN WHEN WE GET THAT, YES, SEND IT TO THEM FIRST. AND AND THAT'S A MEETING THAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THEM.

AND FREEZE. AND NICHOLS IS WELCOME TO COME. CORRECT. BE HELPFUL IF THEY DID, BUT I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LIMIT ON HOW MANY MEETINGS THEY'LL COME TO WITHOUT CHARGING US MORE. SO.

WELL, THAT'S AND THAT'S THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT ERICA AND I HAD AS WELL, IS THAT THEY

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SO THOSE COULD BE BACK AND THEY COULD BE IN OUR HANDS. AND AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, I WOULD BE IT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD CHARGE US FOR IT. AND SO IF THEY DON'T, THAT'S FINE TOO. WE'LL JUST GIVE THEM ANOTHER SET OF COMMENTS BECAUSE THE FIRST DRAFT JUST DIDN'T DIDN'T WORK. YEAH, I WOULD MY COMMENT WOULD JUST BE I WOULD BE CAREFUL THAT YOU DON'T MUDDY THE WATERS. AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT ON PURPOSE, BUT IF YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO YOUR SMALL GROUP AND THEN GOING BACK TO FREEZING NICHOLS, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE JUST MUDDYING THE WATERS ON WHAT PRODUCT THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE. AND THEY'RE ALREADY TAKING, IN MY OPINION, A VERY LONG TIME TO PRODUCE THIS PRODUCT. IT'S BEEN A MONTH SINCE YOU GAVE COMMENTS. THAT'S CRAZY TO ME. WE WE'VE HAD SIMILAR ISSUES WITH THIS GROUP IN THE PAST ON ANOTHER PROJECT. AND SO MY PATIENCE FOR THEM IS VERY THIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG FOR THEM TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS FOR A MONTH. AND I, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FIRST DRAFT, THAT IT WAS SO BAD THAT IT DELAYED US BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THEM. IT WAS SO I MEAN, DID WE GET ANOTHER PROJECT FROM THEM THAT WAS JUST LIKE A CUT AND PASTE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND, AND IT WAS SO MESSED UP THAT WE HAD TO BASICALLY START AGAIN. OR WHAT WAS THE DEAL WITH THE FIRST ONE? NO, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. AND WITHOUT HAVING IT IN FRONT OF ME, I'M NOT GOING TO DO JUSTICE TO TO THE ISSUES. BUT I WILL RESPOND, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION. WE THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF IT SEEMED TO BE PRETTY GOOD, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS IN IT. THE ONE THAT JUMPS TO MIND IS THE. THE HOW WE DEAL WITH OIL AND GAS WELLS IN THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THOSE DOESN'T APPLY. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. AND THERE WERE MISTAKES LIKE THAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ARE WE MUDDYING THE WATERS BY GOING BACK TO THEM? I DON'T THINK SO. BECAUSE WE ARE WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK. WE HAVEN'T GOT INPUT FROM OUR STEERING COMMITTEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE CONCERNED WITH IS WHEN WE ASKED THESE FOLKS TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND WORK ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, WE TOLD THEM THEY WOULD HAVE REAL INPUT INTO THE PROJECT. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE INPUT ON THIS FIRST DRAFT, THEN THEIR INPUT IS LIMITED. UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND SO WE COULD HAVE PULLED THEM IN, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SIDETRACKED BY THE SAME THINGS. WE GOT SIDETRACKED BY LIKE, LET'S CLEAN THIS UP AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN. MAKES SENSE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE TIMELINE IS TO COMPLETION? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA? I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SURPASS WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED. I THINK IT'S ALREADY GOTTEN PUSHED OUT A COUPLE MONTHS. SO NOW 18 MONTHS. AND IS IT APPROPRIATE SINCE WE POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE A BOND PROGRAM CHANGE IF WE INVOLVED ANYBODY FROM THE POTENTIAL NEW COMPANY INTO ANY OF LOOKING AT ANY OF THESE NOT YET THINGS. OKAY? NOT I MEAN, IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER DELAY, BECAUSE THEN WE DO ENGAGE THEM AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME MORE. AND I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. BUT I I'M WORRIED WITH FREEZING NICHOLS, THAT ANY HINT OF ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS GOING TO MEAN 2 OR 3 MORE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. UNDERSTOOD. AND I MADE MY COMMENT. YEAH. WELL, AND YOUR QUESTION IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER WHEN I SAID THERE'S SOME MAYBE SOME BENEFICIAL REASONS TO THIS TIME FRAME CHANGE. SO. OKAY. YEAH.

AND I WILL SAY TOO, I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MULTIPLE FOLKS FROM THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE AS WELL. THEY'RE JUST WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF THEIR SERVICE IS DONE. THEY

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[3.J) Discuss/Act on approval of a Contract with Schnabel Engineering  for Architectural and Engineering services for Construction Contract Administration for the Repair of Cedar Creek Flood Retarding Structure No. 9, and all related matters; (Commissioner Liechty)]

AND I SEE CRAIG COMING UP HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE HAS. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS TO GET US MOVING ON THIS, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE ABOUT IT. YEAH, SO NOT SPECIFIC TO THE CONTRACT, BUT THIS IS ONE OF OUR SOIL CONSERVATION LAKES. AND WE DID NOT IT WAS ON THE LIST BUT DID NOT HAVE FUNDING. AND THE SOIL CONSERVATION GROUP FOUND THE FUNDING AND THEY APPROVED IT IN JULY. SO THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, IT WAS ON OUR LIST. IT BASICALLY GOT MOVED UP, I THINK PROBABLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT IT. RIGHT. BUT AT THAT TIME, IF IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE WAS A LOT OF EVALUATION AND THE CONCLUSION WAS IT WAS PRETTY MUCH NORMAL SOIL SHIFTING AND NOT A REAL EMERGENCY PROBLEM, ALTHOUGH THE WAY THEY RATE THESE, I THINK EVERY DAM IN OUR COUNTY IS HIGH RISK. IT NEEDS ATTENTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY RATE THEM OR NEEDS ATTENTION, WHATEVER THE TERM IS. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SUBJECT TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S FINAL APPROVAL OF THE ANY FINAL CONTRACT, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN DONE FROM MY UNDERSTOOD THE EMAILS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE. I WILL, I WILL I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH SCHNABEL ENGINEERING FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR CONSTRUCTION, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION FOR THE REPAIR OF CEDAR CREEK FLOOD RETARDING STRUCTURE NUMBER NINE. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. AND JUST SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME KNOW, THIS HAS

[3.K) Discuss/Act on approving Resolution and Order approving Master Agreement and Task Orders 01–02 with HNTB Corporation for Bond Program management consultant services, and County Addendum, granting professional-services exemption under Tex. Loc. Gov't Code § 262.024(a)(4), and authorizing execution, and all related matters; (Commissioner Stacy)]

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[3.L) Discuss/Act on approval of a Resolution regarding expiration and non-renewal of the Transportation Services Contract with Innovative Transportation Solutions, Inc., notice of withdrawal, and return of County records and data, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL AND RETURN OF COUNTY RECORDS AND DATA AND ALL RELATED ISSUES.

COMMISSIONER STACY. YES, IN A WAY, THESE ITEMS ARE TIED TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE DIRECTLY TIED TOGETHER IN THE SENSE OF. I THINK THAT THE COURT, EVEN AS DIVIDED AS WE ARE, HAS CREATED A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO. I FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, KNOWING THAT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE WITH HNTB, BUT I THINK EVERYONE HAS HAD TIME TO AT LEAST REVIEW THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THIS WAS DONE. QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STACY. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW IT WAS DONE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO ACT ON THIS. AND HERE'S MY REASONING I LOOK, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE VOTE WAS LAST TIME. WE ALL KNOW WHO WAS IN FAVOR OF IT, WHO WAS AGAINST IT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT, AND IT'S KIND OF NEGOTIATING 101, IN MY OPINION, TO SAY IF YOU UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR DEAL IS WITH TEAM A, YOU DON'T GET RID OF ALL THE OTHER COMPETITORS BECAUSE NOW TEAM A HAS NO INTEREST IN WORKING WITH YOU ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY GOT IT LOCKED UP. AND AS WE ALL REMEMBER, THERE'S TWO STEPS TO THIS PROCESS. ONE WAS TAKEN LAST TIME WHERE THE COURT MADE A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE CONTRACTOR. THE OTHER IS, ARE WE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A SATISFACTORY CONTRACT? AND UNTIL WE DO THAT, THE IDEA OF TERMINATING OUR EXISTING CONTRACT AND TELLING THEM YOU'RE GONE, I THINK IS A MISTAKE. SO. SO WITH THAT, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I DO THINK THAT MY MY OPINION IS VERY OBVIOUS. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. I WAS GOING TO, BUT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MOVE PAST THAT. SO EVERYONE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AND EVERYONE KNOWS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT ME, BUT I DO. I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I, I THINK THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS WITH THE PROCESS WE INTEND TO DO IF WE CAN DO IT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A NEGOTIATED CONTRACT AND GET BACK TO THIS ITEM AND THEN HAVE SOMEONE SAY, YEAH, NOW I HAVE ALL THESE COMMENTS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. THAT'S NOT HOW COMMISSIONERS COURT WORKS. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW BASED UPON HOW THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER. IF ANYONE DID HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROCESS, WHILE I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU DON'T GET RID OF C EVEN IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH A, BECAUSE IF A DOESN'T WORK OUT, WE STILL, WE COULD THEN GO TO THE SECOND PERSON, THE DCC, AND THEN WE COULD END UP NOT NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT WITH THEM AND THEN B WITH ITS. THAT IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET A CONTRACT WE CAN ALL VOTE ON. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT THIS PROCESS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO WITH THE ITS FIRM. AND I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT IS PER THEIR CONTRACT, IT IS A IS A VERY SIMPLE NON-RENEWAL. I THINK IT'S A PROFESSIONAL COURTESY STEP BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTIVELY RENEW THEIR POLICY. WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTIVELY RENEW THEIR CONTRACTS. SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ACT TECHNICALLY. BUT I BUT I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO, TO DO THAT. AND THEN MY OTHER STATEMENT IS, IS THAT THERE IS A POINT OF CONTACT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I THINK THAT

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SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR WITH, WITH WHAT THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE FROM A FINANCIAL IMPACT. YEAH, I AGREE, AND THAT IS THE REASON THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO TRY TO JUST RAM AN AT&T CONTRACT THROUGH. EVEN IF WE HAVE ALL THE TERMS, WE STILL NEED TO HAVE AN ACTUAL INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION. AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON AN HOUR NOTICE TO READ A CONTRACT AND THEN TRY TO RUN INTO COURT AND TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THE THE SECOND ELEMENT, THE SECOND PART OF THE STATUTORY PROCEDURE, IS TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT ON TERMS AND WITH A REASONABLE COMPENSATION. SO YEAH, IT DOES HAVE IT DOES HAS HUGE BUDGET IMPACTS. BUT I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER STACY'S WAY. HE'S HANDLING THIS TODAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. NO ACTION TAKEN ON

[3.M) Discuss/Act on approving Monitoring/Maintenance Agreements with Green Electronic Solutions (GES) for fire and burglar alarm monitoring at the County Courthouse, County Library, Juvenile Services, Historic Courthouse and Adult Probation buildings, along with burglar alarm monitoring only at Emergency Management, Maintenance, Human Resources, DPS, County Agent and the County Annex including an Addendum to all GES Alarm Monitoring/Maintenance Agreements for Rockwall County Properties, and all related issues; (Commissioner Liechty)]

I'LL SECOND IT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THAT.

[3.N) Discuss/Act on approving an updated application for eligibility to purchase surplus property through the Texas Facilities Commission Federal Surplus Property Program (FSP), and all related issues; (Judge New - County Auditor)]

PERFECT. YEAH. THERE WE GO. I DID IT, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE AN UPDATED APPLICATION FOR ELIGIBILITY TO PURCHASE SURPLUS PROPERTY THROUGH THE TEXAS FACILITIES COMMISSION, FEDERAL SURPLUS PROPERTY PROGRAM. SECOND, GOT MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

[3.O) Discuss/Act on selecting the salary grievance committee members as prescribed by Local Government Code 152.014-152.017, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

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YEAH. THE AND YOUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THE JUDGE IS GOING TO GO OVER THE BUDGET OF OF WHETHER THERE'S A, AN INCREASE IN THERE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHICH I THINK YOU DID PUT SOMETHING IN THERE. SO THE CHANCES ARE THAT YOU NEED THIS. ANYBODY'S GUESS, BUT IT IS A TIMELY MANNER, A TIMELY PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CONTACT AND GET THE MEMBERS TO CHOOSE TO DO IT. AND IT ALL HAS TO ALL HAPPEN BEFORE SEPTEMBER 8TH. SO LAST YEAR, COURT, WE APPROVED USING THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THREE MEMBERS OF THE GRAND JURY POOL AS THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY, BUT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE VOTE. IT WAS A THREE TWO VOTE.

SO IT WAS A SPLIT COURT VOTE. AND I, I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME REMEMBER WHY IF I HAD MORE TIME, THAT'S BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE ALL GRAND JURY. OKAY, BUT MAYBE SO. AND HAVE NO ELECTED OFFICIALS ON IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS A THREE TWO VOTE. I DON'T KNOW WHO VOTED WITH ME, BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER GALLINA DID. YEAH. SO HIM AND I BOTH WANTED IT TO BE THE THE THE NINE PUBLIC MEMBERS. YEAH. AND AND YOU KNOW, I, I OTHER THAN WHAT I JUST SAID, UNFAIR TO THE GRAND JURY MEMBERS, I REALLY WELL, YOU'RE STILL GETTING THREE GRAND JURY MEMBERS THAT WOULD YOU ARE YEAH. THEY PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THIS. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOOD. I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COMPEL THEM TO DO IT. I THINK IT'D BE I THINK A SMALLER NUMBER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE EASIER TO FIND. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YEAH. THE ONE TIME THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY THAT THERE WAS A GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, ACTUAL MEETING, IT WAS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND A FEW OF THE GRAND JURY. SO IT HAS HAPPENED IN MY TENURE THAT THAT SOMEONE HAS CALLED ON THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN. OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WHEN IT'S TIME TO RECONVENE A GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, THAT WE HAVE THE COUNTY JUDGE, SHERIFF, COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR, COUNTY TREASURER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY CLERK, AND THREE PUBLIC MEMBERS THAT HAVE SERVED ON THE GRAND JURY. I'LL SECOND HAVE MY MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM

[3.P) Discussion of the proposed FY2027 Budget  - First Draft, and all related issues; (Judge New)]

OH MY GOODNESS, COMMISSIONERS, I COULD SPEND THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUDGET. THIS IS A HARD BUDGET AND I WON'T OPINE. AS OUR ENGINEER SAID ON ON THE EMOTIONS WITH IT. BUT YOU GUYS KIND OF KNOW MY HEART IS TO DRIVE THAT RATE DOWN, GET TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS, AND WE'VE DONE A GOOD

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THE PAYMENT HAS TO BE FACTORED IN. SO THAT IS FORCING UPWARD PRESSURE ON ON THE RIGHT. I DID IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, HAVE A 2.4% COLA FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, BOTH FULL TIME AND PART TIME, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALONG WITH A 1.1% MERIT. THAT, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, IS AT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DISCRETION WHAT THEY DO WITH THE MERIT. BUT WE HAVE IT BUDGETED IN THE FIRST DRAFT. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GOT THEIR STEP RAISES, AND MY INSTRUCTIONS WERE, IF THE 3.5% IS GREATER, THEY GET THAT IF THEIR STEP RAISE IS GREATER, THEY GET THAT. BUT BUT THEY DON'T GET BOTH. SO ALL OF THEM GOT THEIR STEP RAISE. WE APPROVED FIVE VEHICLES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE USING SB 22 FUNDS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THE BUDGET AND MAYBE A GOOD TIME TO THANK MELISSA AND LISA AND CAMI AND MEREDITH. IT'S KIND OF THE TEAM WE PUT TOGETHER TO JUST SIT. AND IT'S AN EFFORT IN. ALL RIGHT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. HERE'S WHAT WE DID. OKAY? WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE IT.

NOW LET'S GO BACK AND TRY AGAIN. SO A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO IT. SO SB 22 IS BUYING SHERIFF'S VEHICLES. THERE'S FIVE VEHICLES FUND 51. EVERYONE'S FAVORITE FUND IS ■BUYING VEHICLES FOR CONSTABLE NUMBER TWO WHO NEEDS A NEW VEHICLE. SO WE USE FUND 51. WE'VE USED COURTHOUSE TECH FUND. WE HAVE USED DOCUMENT FEES. WE WE FOCUSED RIGHT IN ON ON OUR FEES THAT ARE THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND HOW WE CAN USE THEM. I'LL HAVE A LIST THAT THE TREASURER WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PUT TOGETHER, ESSENTIALLY THE TOP TEN LIST OF FUNDS THAT ARE OUT THERE. I'LL GET THOSE TO YOU BEFORE BEFORE WE HAVE OUR FIRST IN EARNEST BUDGET MEETING. BUT THERE WERE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO GET DONE THAT I COULDN'T GET DONE. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE FIVE DETENTION OFFICERS. THEY'D ASKED FOR FIVE NEW OFFICERS. THEY ASKED FOR FOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES FOR THE COURTHOUSE. IN THE FIRST DRAFT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WE APPROVED TWO NOT NOT FOR. WE WERE ABLE TO GET A RAISE FOR. DID YOU APPROVE? TWO. DID I NOT APPROVE? DID THAT NOT MAKE IT? I HAD TO TAKE IT OUT. NEVER MIND, NEVER MIND, BECAUSE I WAS JUST LIKE, I READ IT LAST NIGHT AND I DIDN'T SEE HIM. YEAH. SO SORRY. THIS THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT MADE IT RIGHT UP TO THE LAST ITERATION AND COULDN'T GET IT IN THERE. AND FOR THE SECOND BUDGET IN A ROW, I COULDN'T GET THE FLEET TECHNICIAN IN THERE, WHICH. I DO THINK WE NEED. I THINK NOT ONLY IS THERE COST SAVINGS THERE, BUT THERE IS IT WILL DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME VEHICLES ARE OUT OF SERVICE. SO I TRIED TO DO THAT BUT JUST COULD NOT GET IT DONE. THE D A IS USING SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO BUY THE INVESTIGATORS A VEHICLE. ONE THING THAT I DO NOT HAVE IN THERE, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I WAS SO INTERESTED IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T HAVE ANY DOLLARS FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THE DAS EXPANSION. NOW I WAS ABLE TO FULFILL HER PERSONNEL REQUEST, BUT NO PLACE TO PUT THEM. WELL, WE HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM,

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YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU'LL REMEMBER WE SET THE TAX RATE FIRST AND WE SET ESSENTIALLY THE TOP. AND WE CAN ALWAYS DRIVE IT LOWER. BUT ONCE WE SET THE TAX RATE, THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET. THEN THAT TELLS US, HEY, THE COURT AGREES. HERE'S THE FUNDS WE HAVE AVAILABLE. SO WE CAN START JOCKEYING A LITTLE BIT. BUT ONCE WE SET THAT RATE, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY SOMEWHERE, WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE. AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL DECISIONS THAT IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE COURT TO MAKE. SO. THAT THAT IS IT. I'LL GET THE LIST OF FUNDS THAT WE COULD START HAVING CONVERSATIONS AGAIN. I TRIED TO GET MORE PEOPLE, BUT WHEN I'M THE JUDGE, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'M GOING TO DO. NUMBER ONE IS MAKE AN EARNEST EFFORT TO HIT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE EACH AND EVERY YEAR. BUT NUMBER TWO, WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING THINGS OR PAYING PEOPLE, I'M GOING TO DEFAULT TO PAYING PEOPLE. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A DECENT, DECENT RAISE IN IT FOR OUR PEOPLE WHO I BELIEVE DESERVE IT. AND AGAIN, THAT IS FULL TIME, PART TIME AND ELECTEDS ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH MORE LATER, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY. HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT BUT THEY ARE NOT NITPICKY QUESTIONS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS. I HOPE I ALWAYS GET IN THE WEEDS. FIRE AWAY. I CAN'T TELL, BUT WE GOT A PROPOSAL BY THE ELECTIONS OFFICE TO DO INCREASE WEIGHT, INCREASE PAY TO THE ELECTION WORKERS. DID THAT MAKE IT INTO THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET THAT INCREASE PAY OR. NO, IT. I DON'T THINK SO. BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE. AND MELISSA IS THE COLLECTIVE MEMORY. SO SHORT ANSWER IS HALFWAY. HALFWAY. YEAH. THEY REQUESTED I BELIEVE 18 AND 2018 AND 20. AND WE TOOK THEM TO 16 AND 18 TO BE IN LINE WITH THE LIBRARIANS WHO ARE ALSO 16 AND 18 ADJUSTED THE OTHER PART TIME POSITIONS TO 16 AN HOUR AS WELL. RIGHT. CONSISTENT. RIGHT. SO THEY GOT AN INCREASE, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY UP TO $18. YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AND SAYING IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYWAYS. OKAY, COOL. I, I WOULD LIKE US TO REALLY LOOK AT CREATING A FLEET BUDGET, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A FLEET TECH. THAT IS JUST MORE OF A COMMENT TO TAKE A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE AND CREATE SOME SORT OF FUND. AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS. I LET'S GO AHEAD RIGHT THERE REAL QUICK. GOOD, APPROPRIATE TIME TO SAY EVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE USING DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO BUY VEHICLES STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE FLEET COMMITTEE. THERE'S BEEN A CONCERTED EFFORT ON THE COURT, AND CERTAINLY ON MY PART, TO DRIVE ALL DECISIONS THROUGH THE FLEET COMMITTEE, AND I LIKE THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT. WE'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, YOU GET A NEW THREE QUARTER TON, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT ARE YOU USING THE VEHICLE FOR? AND WE GET YOU RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN APPROPRIATE VEHICLE FOR, FOR HOW YOU'RE USING IT. SO SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO. YEAH.

NO, NO. YOU'RE GOOD. I JUST WOULD LIKE US TO TO WORK ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE A BUDGET COST. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE IN THERE. I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE BUDGET PROCESS BEFORE WE OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. I JUST WANTED THE COURT TO KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO TRY REALLY HARD TO DO. I. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE TYLER FUND. IT WENT DOWN QUITE A BIT, LIKE ABOUT $150,000 FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE OR

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WELL, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR TO THE THE TYLER PAYMENT, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME REMAINING MONEY FROM FY 26, SOME VACANT POSITION PERSONNEL COSTS AND DO A BUDGET TRANSFER, MOVING IT TO THE TYLER SOFTWARE FUND SO THAT 800 000 WILL BE PAID FOR FROM FROM 26 FROM 26 BUDGET ON SPENT POSITIONS WE APPROVED THAT ARE NOT FILLED. RIGHT. AND THEN SOME OF THE TYLER PAYMENTS, I BELIEVE THE THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICE WANTED SOME TYLER PACKET AND THAT BUDGETED FUND 51 CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. I EFFECTIVELY DRAINED FUND 51 AND I WANT TO SAY THAT INTO THE RECORD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. I HAVE SPENT ALL OF FUND 51. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE AUDITOR AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S 700 ZERO ZERO $0, IT'S ALLOCATED FUND LEAVE FUND 51 ALONE, UNLESS WE UNLESS WE MOVE IT. YES, SIR. I'M GOING TO BE MEETING WITH THE AUDITOR AND MELISSA TOMORROW. I JUST WANTED THEM TO KNOW THAT I'M REALLY GOING TO WANT TO LOOK AT PAGE 95 AND 96, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. THAT IS THE ARPA AND SOME OF THE REMODEL STUFF.

I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IS THIS. I GAVE THEM AN AGENDA AND I JUST CHANGED IT ON THEM. AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THAT, WHICH ISN'T A BIG DEAL. THE LET'S SEE. DID WE DO ANYTHING FOR JAIL SERGEANTS FROM THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET? I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING THE JUDGE THESE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW WHAT? MY MY.

NO, I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING. MY COLLECTIVE MEMORY IS, IS THERE THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT TO TAKE THEM TO A JOB GRADE OF TEN AFTER A COLA. SO IT'S ONLY FOR THOSE SERGEANTS WHO FELL BELOW THE NEW MINIMUM. THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. YES, WE DID ALLOCATE FUNDS IN THE FIRST DRAFT TO GET OUR SERGEANTS, WHICH OUR SALARY SURVEY INDICATED THEY WERE OUT OF WHACK. SO WE PULLED THEM, PULLED THEM INTO SALARY COMPLIANCE. AND I DID NOTICE THAT ROAD AND BRIDGE WENT FROM 11.5 TO 7. I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO 11.5 EMPLOYEES TO SEVEN. YEAH. SO THERE WAS TWO POSITIONS IN ROAD AND BRIDGE THAT HAVE GONE UNFILLED THAT THE COURT HAS APPROVED FOR A COUPLE BUDGETS NOW, AND THAT WE DON'T APPEAR TO ACTIVELY BE TRYING TO FILL IT. AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY ON. AND REMEMBER, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE IS A SEPARATE FUND THAT THAT IS FUNDED BY A $10 FEE THAT PEOPLE PAY WHEN THEY REGISTER THEIR VEHICLES. THAT IS GOING TO, TO ROADS. SO I DON'T WANT MONEY SITTING THERE THAT'S DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN REPAIRING ROADS. WE DO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO USE THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS, HOW CAN WE GET MORE ROADS DONE WITH THAT FUND? BUT THE FIRST STEP IN THAT, THAT PROCESS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WAS JUST REMOVE THE SEQUESTERING OF THE FUNDS AND PUT IT BACK IN THE FUND SO WE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S JUST THE HEAD COUNT, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY GOES UP BY A LITTLE BIT. BUT BUT GETTING RID OF HEAD COUNT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE DOESN'T REALLY OFFSET THE AMOUNT OF HEAD COUNT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THEN FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, FOR SOME REASON, OUR FY 26 CONTINGENCY IS LISTED AT LIKE 400 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND. AND IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS. BUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT THAT NOT IN THIS DRAFT, BUT IN THE BUDGET WE PASSED, EVERY OTHER NUMBER IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE SAME, EXCEPT THE CONTINGENCY WAS LOWERED. SO WHEN YOU DO A

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SO I WAS ONLY OFF BY A LITTLE BIT. I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON THAT TRACK OF UNDERFUNDING OUR GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. PAST RESULTS ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE. AS THEY SAY WHEN YOU SIGN FOR AN INVESTMENT. THE REASON THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IT IS NOT BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE NUMBERS I'M SEEING TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, CAMI CAN ATTEST. I'VE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATED WITH OUR PAST AGENT AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN CALIBRATING AND TELLING US WHAT TO BUDGET FOR. SO THIS IS NO KNOCK ON THE AUDITOR OR CAMI OR THE TREASURER. THEY'RE GOING ON THE ADVICE OF PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE MISSED IT BY ONE AND A HALF, $1.4 MILLION. AND IT'S JUST REALLY FRUSTRATING. WHEN WE MET WITH HOLMES AND MURPHY, THEY LOOK AT IT MORE HOW I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT, AND THEY THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE UNDERFUNDING IT. I MEAN, TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $700,000. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER IS REAL. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH. I JUST WANT TO LET THE COURT KNOW THAT THAT'S A BIG THING THAT I'M TRYING TO GET SITUATED. SO ON THURSDAY, I'M HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE COURT ON FUND 185, A MEETING WITH HR, A MEETING WITH THE AUDITOR TOMORROW MAINLY FOCUSED ON FUND 185, WHAT THE BALANCE CAN HOLD AND WHAT WE CAN DO. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GET YOU ALL TO THURSDAY AND SHOW UP AND HAVE THIS BIG BOOGEYMAN THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR TWO WEEKS AND NOT AT LEAST TELL Y'ALL IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. THE MATH. I'VE DOUBLE CHECKED THE MATH. I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE GOOD ON THE ACTUARIAL SIDE. I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE FULFILL THAT. I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT I'M REALLY KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THAT. AND I STILL THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE TUNE OF SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. AND THERE CURRENTLY IS NO MONEY GOING TO FUND 185 IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE TO BE SAID BECAUSE I'M WORKING DILIGENTLY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN MY MIND OF WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO. AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO CREATE, I THINK, KIND OF A CASCADE EFFECT OF, OF WHAT WHAT I WOULD BE GOING FOR.

SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REAL THOUGHTS ON MANEUVERING THROUGH THE BUDGET AND WHAT I THINK IS GOOD AND WHAT I THINK IS BAD BECAUSE I'M SO FOCUSED ON FINISHING THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL AND GETTING FUND 185 SITUATED THAT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET THAT DONE THIS WEEK. SO AT LEAST IF WE GET TO THE END AND SAY WE'RE $20,000 SHORT ON THE SHERIFF'S REMODEL, WE CAN HAVE THAT AS QUICKLY INTO THE BUDGET AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T THINK SO. I'VE DONE THE MATH A BUNCH OF TIMES, AT LEAST HAS LOOKED AT THE MATH. I THINK WE'RE OKAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE ON THOSE TWO THINGS THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, I ALERT THE CLERK COURT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS AS AS A COLLECTIVE, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF MOVE DOWN THE LINE.

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AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE COURT TO DO IS TO FUND THE ATTACHMENT POINT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A 1.25% OFF OF EXPECTED CLAIMS. AND THAT COMES FROM THE CARRIER, NOT THE INSURANCE AGENT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE INSURANCE CONTRACT. AND THAT'S WHAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN INSURANCE CONTRACT. SO WE'RE KIND OF GUESSING AND WORKING BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS YOU WOULD NEVER DO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. IT KIND OF DRIVES ME CRAZY A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOTHING THAT IT'S NOT A CRITICISM TO, TO THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST THAT'S THE HAND WE'VE BEEN DEALT AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE MANAGED IT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE EXPECTING A $700,000 INFLUX, CAN THE FUND MANAGE IT AND HOW AND HOW SHOULD WE GO FORWARD? THAT IS ASSUMING WE'RE GETTING SOME SORT OF AN INCREASE. I MEAN, MEDICAL TREND RIGHT NOW IS 9.6%. SO THE IDEA THAT OUR INSURANCE IS GOING DOWN, I DON'T SEE THAT HEALTH INSURANCE DOUBLES EVERY SIX YEARS AND COST PER EMPLOYEE IN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND, AND JUST, JUST THAT'S JUST A FACT. AND IT'S JUST SO EXPENSIVE. AND OUR INSURANCE IS REALLY GOOD. I'VE COMPARED IT TO COLIN KAUFMAN, HUNT AND DALLAS. AND YOU COULD TAKE A 15 TO 16% RAISE AND GO TO COLLIN COUNTY AND ACTUALLY BE NET NEGATIVE JUST ON THE INSURANCE AND THE LIABILITY TO THE EMPLOYEES. AND THAT'S A LOT OF HIDDEN STUFF. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T READ THE FINE PRINT. THEY DON'T SEE THAT. AND I'M TRYING TO AVOID US GOING TO SMALLER NETWORKS, HAVING TO RAISE DEDUCTIBLES. AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT BY JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE ON SOME OF THE FUNDING, AND THEN AND THEN BUILDING THAT INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND THEN IF WE GO OVER IN SURPLUS, THAT ACTUALLY GIVES US MONEY THAT WE COULD PEEL BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO ANYWAYS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO YIELD, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. AND I'LL HAVE THAT ANSWER IN TWO DAYS. DO YOU DO OTHER COUNTIES THAT YOU'VE SURVEYED, DO THEY ARE THEY ON AN OCTOBER OCTOBER TIME FRAME? ALMOST ALL ON JANUARY TO JANUARY. THEY ARE. IT'S VERY RARE TO BE ON OCTOBER TO OCTOBER. AND AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY LOW ON MY PRIORITY LIST.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE US TO DO. IT GETS DANGEROUS BECAUSE WE WOULD. WE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE A NINE MONTH CONTRACT WITH A CARRIER WHICH WHICH GUARANTEES IN NINE MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO GET A RATE INCREASE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD EVEN WANT TO SUGGEST WE DO THAT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF IT'S JUST IF OUR FISCAL YEAR IS, IS OUR FISCAL YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND AS AN INSURANCE AGENT, I RENEW ALL MONTHS OF THE YEAR BECAUSE COMPANIES EXIST. YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED IN FEBRUARY. SO THEIR INSURANCE GOES IN FEBRUARY, THEY START IN JULY, AND THEIR INSURANCE GOES IN JULY. IT'S COMMON FOR THEM NOT TO

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YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M GOING TO I'M OUT NEXT WEEK, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR SOME OF THESE BUDGET MEETINGS. I'LL BE TRAPPED ON A BOAT AT A FAMILY REUNION. SO EVERYBODY PRAY FOR ME. BUT IT'S I HAVE TO GO SOME OF THESE. SO I DO LISTEN, IT'S A DIRTY JOB, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT. GOT TO DO IT. IT'S THE LAST TIME SOME OF THIS FAMILY WILL ALL PROBABLY GET TOGETHER. SO I GOTTA MAKE IT. BUT I HATE NOT TO BE HERE. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN GENERAL. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK PUTTING THE BUDGET TOGETHER, JUDGE AND THE AUDITOR'S TEAM. AND CAMI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS NOT A NOT WAS NOT AN EASY BUDGET TO PUT TOGETHER. I CAN TELL FOR SURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RATE THAT THE JUDGE HAD TO GO TO, WHICH I KNEW PROBABLY BROKE HIS HEART WHEN HE HAD TO DO THAT. IT DID. BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE.

EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE, IN MY OPINION, AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WILL DEBATE THAT IN MY ABSENCE NEXT WEEK, BUT I HOPE TO CONTINUE THAT DEBATE WHEN I GET BACK. BUT I WOULD SAY EVERYTHING, AND I MEAN, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE, REALLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID LAST YEAR, I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD END UP THIS YEAR AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, AND THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THE POSITION WE WERE KIND OF HEADING TOWARDS. AND WE WANT TO BUILD ROADS AND ROADS COME AT A COST. AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY IMPACTED THIS BUDGET, ALONG WITH THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE 503RD DISTRICT COURT ALSO BEING IN THIS BUDGET. BUT WE JUST HAVE SOME DECISIONS REALLY TO MAKE ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S NOT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS BUDGET. AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT WILL SPEAK UP AS TO WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM AND WHAT THINGS WE CAN SEE THAT WE MAYBE COULD MOVE ON FROM AND DO DIFFERENTLY AS WE GO THROUGH HERE. AND WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GREAT COURT. I'M SURE WE'LL DO THAT TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. JUST A COMMENT. I KIND OF I DO SUPPORT A LOT OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS WELL, BUT I DO THINK I DID A LITTLE I HAVE A LITTLE SPREADSHEET. I DON'T WE'LL GO OVER IT WHEN WE MEET LATER THIS WEEK. BUT I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE GROWTH RATE OF, OF OUR BUDGET OVER SINCE 2022 WHEN RIGHT WHEN BEFORE US WE CAME ON. SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT BY EXPENSE CATEGORY, WHAT, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE PERCENT OF GROWTH HAS BEEN, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A, THAT'S GOT TO BE A DEFINING MARK FOR US TOO. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT DOES NOT ONLY THE GROWTH OF THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES, BUT OUR, OUR, OUR DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND.

OKAY. FROM, FROM A GROWTH STANDPOINT, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT COMING ON, PERHAPS IN THE NEXT IN THE NEXT 3 TO 5, TEN, YOU KNOW, THREE TO 5 TO 7 YEARS. BUT WE REALLY HAVE AS COMMISSIONER GALANIS SAID, I THINK THERE ARE SOME REALLY TOUGH, TOUGH DECISIONS THAT ARE WE'RE BEING FACED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO IT. AND THEN YOU YOU APPLY POSSIBLY WHAT SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE MANDATES THAT MAY COME WITH THE 90TH TO, TO, TO ORGANIZATIONS AND BODIES LIKE US. WE GOT TO KIND OF KEEP ALL THAT IN, IN, IN MIND AS WELL AS WE ARE FORGING THROUGH THIS. BUT, BUT COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, BUT JUDGE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. IT'S A GREAT IT'S GREAT. IT'S GOOD INFORMATION. THANK YOU.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT JUST POPPED IN MY MIND JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW AS YOU'RE DIGGING INTO THE BUDGET, I LEFT LEGAL EXPENSES WHERE THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE ANTICIPATING A REDUCTION IN LEGAL EXPENSES. I DID SLIGHTLY REDUCE OUR CONTINGENCY WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WHEN WE DO FIND SAVINGS, IT ENDS UP GETTING DUMPED BACK INTO CONTINGENCY. SO I THINK I REDUCED THAT TO 450 000, WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN WE'VE DONE I THINK IT'S 534, RIGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. IT'S ABOUT 535 20 RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO AND, AND MY EXPECTATIONS IS THAT GOES BACK UP. SO QUESTION JUDGE. THANKS.

ALSO, I ECHO WHAT EVERYONE SAID. THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. IS THERE SOMEWHERE IN CAMI'S MATERIALS OR SOMEWHERE WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE A WRITTEN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED RATHER THAN JUST A BUNCH OF NUMBERS LIKE. YEAH, YEAH, THERE IS A SPREADSHEET NUMBERS TO ME.

WELL, IT IS, IT'S A CAPITAL EXPENSE. YEAH. ON THE END WE SAY IT'S EITHER I SAY YES, NO

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THE REASON IS WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO IF YOU YEAH, YOU'LL START FINDING THEM WHERE THEY SAY NO. WELL, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT BECAUSE I SEE A BLUE PAGES OR A TAX CALCULATION WORKSHEET, WHICH I DID SEE. IT'S JUST ONE PAGE. OH, GREAT. THAT'S ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. YOU'LL WANT BOTH BECAUSE ONE HAS, ONE HAS CAPITAL AND ONE HAS PERSONNEL.

I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET IT. BUT YEAH, THAT DOES KIND OF EXPLAIN THE EBB AND FLOW OF IF THE ANSWER IS YES, WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE MONEY AND WHERE DID YOU COME OUT ON THE.

CONSTABLE'S FOR THEIR. THERE WAS A REQUEST, KIND OF A SPLIT REQUEST FOR ONE. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER DEPUTY, ANOTHER HALF DEPUTY OR DO WE HAVE CLERKS? REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION? I DO REMIND ME. MELISSA CONSTABLE TWO AND CONSTABLE THREE RECEIVED PART TIME CLERKS. OKAY.

BUT NO ADDITIONAL PART TIME DEPUTIES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SOME DO WE DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM AND WE KIND OF GOT SPLIT ANSWERS. I REMEMBER WHERE WHAT WHAT'S BETTER, A CLERK OR A DEPUTY. AND I JUST I'LL TALK TO MY CONSTABLE. HE LIVES ACROSS THE STREET AND FIND OUT, MAKE SURE THAT OF THOSE TWO, THEY'RE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT. GOT IT, GOT IT. BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER WHERE WE ENDED UP ON IT. THANK YOU THOUGH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE WE GOING TO TAKE. THREE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

NO, NO WE ARE NOT. OKAY. SO LET'S GO AROUND THREE Q AND TAKE THREE R BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION COURT. THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BACKUP. THIS IS LET ME

[3.R) Discuss/Act on authorizing Human Resources and Holmes Murphy Brokerage Services to advertise and accept proposals for individual specific and aggregate stop-loss insurance, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF BACKUP. THERE'S NOTHING WE'RE REALLY DOING. IT'S JUST SAYING, YES, WE WANT YOU TO GO TO BID. SO. SO WITH THAT JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE HUMAN RESOURCES IN HOLMES MURPHY BROKERAGE SERVICES TO ADVERTISE AND ACCEPT PROPOSALS FOR INDIVIDUAL, SPECIFIC AND AGGREGATE STOP LOSS INSURANCE. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACEY SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IF YOU REGISTER YOUR VOTES? THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF ROCKWALL

[8) EXECUTIVE SESSION:]

[9) RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION:]

[3.Q) Discussion and possible action to approve a resolution authorizing settlement and dismissal, of the lawsuit styled Rockwall County, Texas and Rockwall County Judge Frank New, Solely in His Official Capacity v. Rockwall County MUD No. 10, and Its Purported Directors, Penny Foreman, Joshua Pace, Fernando Bocanegra, Aletha Reil, and Scott Reno, Cause No. 1-24-0256, pending in the 382nd Judicial District Court of Rockwall County, Texas, subject to and conditioned upon a final Compromise Settlement Agreement and Mutual Release to be negotiated by the County's litigation counsel, Andy Taylor; and authorizing the County Judge to execute the final settlement agreement and related documents; (Commissioner Gallana)]

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[4) CONSENT AGENDA:]

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

[6) NON-EMERGENCY BUDGET TRANSFER(S):]

[7) APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S):]

THANK YOU JUDGE. I'M SUBMITTING TO COURT PAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $593,415.48 AND ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN I SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. I ALSO SUBMIT TO THE COURT UNPAID CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $843,619.15. AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLINA I SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. WE'LL REGISTER OUR VOTES. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. I'M SUBMITTING THE PAYROLL REPORT FOR THE PAY PERIOD ENDING JULY 18TH, 2026. IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,188,670.49.

AND I ASKED FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MACKLIN I SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IS THAT THE DATE? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY SO. OUR AGENDA SAYS JULY 4TH AS THE THE PAY PERIOD ENDING. AND YOU SAID THE 18TH, IT SAYS THE 18TH HERE. THE 18TH. WELL, JUST THE AGENDA. OH I SEE. EITHER WAY, IF YOU HAVE THE DATE RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE ON IT. WELL WE NEED TO NOTE THAT IT'S.

THIS THE 18TH. THERE MUST BE A TYPO ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FOURTH. IT SHOULD BE JULY 18TH 2026. WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU REQUESTED. SO THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS MADE ON BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. SO IF WE'LL REGISTER OUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU. SO THAT WILL TAKE US INTO AGENDA ITEM TEN.

[10)  COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS:]

NOTHING TO REPORT. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY. TRYING TO GET THIS STRAIGHTENED OUT. I HAVE GOOD NEWS TO REPORT. ALL RIGHT. FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE APPLIED FOR AN EEVEE STATION AND WE WERE TURNED DOWN. BOY, DO I REMEMBER. WE JUST GOT APPROVED. OH, YES. THAT IS AWESOME. THAT IS AWESOME. I GOT A CALL YESTERDAY FROM NETCONG AND THEY SAID THAT SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE SHIFTED AROUND AND THEY HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE AND THEY WILL APPROVE SOME. THEY'RE NOT SURE ALL BUT SOME OF OUR REQUESTS. SO WE WILL GET AT LEAST ONE EEVEE STATION AND PROBABLY MORE. YEAH, THAT'S AT THE LIBRARY THAT WELL, THERE'S TWO LOCATIONS WE APPLIED FOR. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES WE WILL

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