Aug 17, 2026 Commissioners Court Special Meeting

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EVERYONE. IT IS 9:00 ON AUGUST 17TH, 2026. I'M GOING TO CALL OUR SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO LEAD US IN AN INVOCATION. AND THE PLEDGES PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY SINNERS NOT WORTHY OF YOUR LOVE, BUT YOU GIVE YOUR LOVE FREELY. WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO SO, AND PLEASE REMAIN PATIENT WITH US AS WE TRY TO WORK OUR WAY TOWARD YOU. IT'S IN YOUR SON. JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. LET'S PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS FLAG HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO

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AND THE LAST TIME I WAS I WAS REALLY CLOSE. YOU KNOW I'M NOT A REAL STICKLER ON THAT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT A LITTLE GRACE GOES A LONG WAY. RIGHT? YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO START WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES, TWO TIMOTHY CHAPTER ONE, VERSE SEVEN. GOD GAVE US A SPIRIT NOT OF FEAR, BUT OF POWER AND LOVE AND OF A SOUND MIND. SO I COME HERE TODAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE FLOCK RENEWAL. THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCEEDINGS. SO ON 81225, THE COUNTY ACCEPTED THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER GRANT. I WENT BACK AND I WATCHED THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THOSE VIDEOS. THE ONLY DIRECT MENTION OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE WERE FOR DRONES FOR FIRST RESPONSE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE KEY THERE IS FIRST RESPONSE ON 12, NINE, 25, WE VOTED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND WHETHER IT IS FLOCK OR ANOTHER COMPANY, THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS SURROUNDING HOW THESE ARE USED, WHAT THESE SYSTEMS DO AND WHAT INFORMATION IS CAPTURED AND KEPT ABOUT A CITIZEN WITH NO REASON NECESSARILY. ON 81126, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, YOU KNOW, YOU DISCUSSED A SINGLE CAMERA IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION AND YOU VOTED TO TO DENY I SUPPORT . COMMISSIONER LICHTY READ A QUOTE. FRANKLIN, I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU. READ A QUOTE BY BENJAMIN FRANKLIN ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, SECURITY. AND IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T VALUE YOUR LIBERTY, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T NEED THE LIBERTY OR THE SECURITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT QUOTE READING OBVIOUSLY RUNS COUNTER TO APPROVING THE CONTRACT TO BEGIN WITH. SO COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH SAID, AND I'M SORRY IF I SAID YOUR NAME WRONG AS WELL, SAID THAT CRIME IS CRIME. AND YOU YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MENTION KAUFMAN COUNTY. WELL, I WILL MENTION KAUFMAN COUNTY. THE CRIME STATISTICS CLEARLY SHOW THAT OUR COUNTY IS ONE OF THE SAFEST IN TEXAS AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE. AND THAT WAS ALSO TRUE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE REASON AT ALL? WHAT JUSTIFICATION WAS WAS USED, WHETHER IT'S CRIME STATISTICS OR HOW DID THAT ACTUALLY GET APPROVED BASED ON. AND I DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE PERSON MENTIONED THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION WHATSOEVER.

COMMISSIONER GALLARDO MENTIONED THAT THE 90TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO TAKE THIS UP, JUST LIKE THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS THAT WERE OUTLAWED A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND I HAVE A REALLY BASIC QUESTION WHY WAIT? WE DON'T NEED AUSTIN TO TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR COUNTY. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON OUR OWN. JUDGE, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR VIEW THAT THEY NEED MORE GUARDRAILS. I HAVE TO STAUNCHLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. I YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. JUST BECAUSE OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT. IT IS OKAY TO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN. AND SO I JUST WANT TO END WITH, YOU KNOW, WE AS ADULTS, WE HAVE TO LIVE BY OUR COMMITMENTS AND OUR CONVICTIONS. IT IS IT'S FOLLY TO IGNORE THE OBVIOUS PROBLEM WITH THESE SYSTEMS WHEN, IN MY VIEW, IN A LARGE VIEW ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN CITIZENS, THAT THE SYSTEM SHOULD NOT EXIST AT ALL. SO I STRONGLY WILL ASK THAT TODAY THAT YOU COMMIT YOURSELVES TO CANCELING THAT CONTRACT AND GO AHEAD AND MAKING THAT JUDGMENT AND ORDERING THE REMOVAL OF THE CAMERAS THAT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE. SO I JUST WANT TO END THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. TOWFIQ, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY REGARDING ANY COUNTY MATTERS?

[2.A) Discuss/Act on the FY2027 draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New) https://rockwallcountytexas.com/DocumentCenter/View/14507/FY27-Proposed-Budget   TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENTHouse Bill 1522, passed by the Texas Legislature in 2025, amends section 551.043 of the Texas Government Code to require that the notice of a meeting required to be posted under section 551.043(a) of the Texas Open Meetings Act, at which a governmental body will discuss or adopt a budget for the governmental body, must include a taxpayer impact statement showing, for the median-valued homestead property, a comparison of the property tax bill in dollars pertaining to the property for the current fiscal year to an estimate of the property tax bill in dollars for the same property for the upcoming fiscal year. Rockwall County has proposed a budget for the County’s 2026-2027 fiscal year. Rockwall County intends to adopt its budget on or before September 30, 2026.                            ]

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SOMEBODY ELSE MAKES A SECOND AND THEN WE VOTE. IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY, WE VERY, VERY QUICKLY CAN JUST MOVE INTO A VOTE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES FOR THIS MEETING. I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I MEAN, OUT OF THE GATE AT 9:00 ON A MONDAY, JUDGE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY TO DO THAT. I'M BLINDSIDED. EVERYBODY WITH THAT. AND TRULY MY MY IDEA IS JUST TO GET TO VOTES QUICKER. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. MORE CAFFEINE AND THOUGHT IS NEEDED. YEAH, BUT IF I REMEMBER HOW THIS HOW WE RAN IT LAST YEAR, I WOULD ASSUME WE'RE DOING IT THE SAME THIS YEAR. YEAH, YEAH, THAT WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF LITTLE VOTES, A LOT OF LITTLE VOTES. YES, SIR. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE BINDING UNTIL WE ADOPT THE BUDGET.

ADOPT THE BUDGET SO WE CAN RELITIGATE ANYTHING. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANKS. SO. EVEN THOUGH THAT FAILED, VERY LIKELY THE NEXT SPECIAL MEETING I'M GOING TO MAKE MAKE THE SAME MOTION AND SEE IF WE SEE IF WE WE WE HAVE ANY AGREEMENT THEN. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE DISCUSSING ACT ON THE FY 2027 SPECIAL MEETING. THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING. ALL OF THESE ARE SPECIAL MEETINGS.

THEY'RE NOT OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER COURT MEETINGS. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? I HAVE A FEW HOUSEKEEPING STUFF THAT WILL AT LEAST GET THE CONVERSATION MOVING. I WANT TO START IN IN FUND 51. AND THIS IS NOT MAKING MONEY. THIS IS NOT MOVING MONEY. THIS IS JUST CLEARING UP FOR THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.

NO, I CAN'T BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T FUND 51. I CAN FIND IT IN A SECOND. I'M MA'AM, 7474. SO EVERY YEAR WE WORK ON INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. AND IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHAT WE TOLD THE CITIES. SO I WOULD I HAVE IT HERE IN A SPREADSHEET OF WHAT WE TOLD EVERYONE. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO CLEAN THAT UP TO MAKE THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. IN FUND 51.

IT'S STILL $400,000, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING. SO I'M NOT I JUST WANT THE COURT TO KNOW I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANY CHANGES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AMOUNTS LISTED IN THE BUDGET ARE CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT. AND I'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED TO MY CITIES AND THEY'VE ALREADY READ THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. AND SO THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THIS. AND I SAID, WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, IF YOU ALL COULD JUST PASS ONE AROUND AND I'LL GIVE ONE TO THE AUDITORS. OKAY.

AND JOHN, YOU SAID FOR 400 000 ARE YOU TALKING. I'M SHOWING 477 407. IS THAT OR WERE YOU JUST ROUNDING IT UP WHEN YOU SAID THAT COMMENT? YOU'LL SEE. YOU'LL SEE WHEN IT GETS WHERE AND WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TOLD THEM. WHO TOLD THEM NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS AND IT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THEY MEET WITH THE FIRE CHIEFS. OKAY. AND COME UP WITH THIS FORMULA. AND THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED THIS FORMULA TO ALL THE CITIES. OKAY. THE ONE YOU SEE THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM OKAY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I DID NOT CREATE THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU SEE. OKAY.

AND THIS WAS SHARED WITH ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS ABOUT A MONTH AGO. OKAY. SO OKAY. OKAY. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE MONEY. IT JUST I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED A MOTION. WE COULD MAKE A MOTION. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A VERY BASIC CLEANING OF THE MONEY WE'RE PAYING THE CITIES. AND IT'S NOT WILEY. THAT'S WHY IT THESE ARE JUST THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE PAY STRAIGHT ILA REIMBURSEMENTS TO. QUESTIONS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS REQUIRES A MOTION, TO BE HONEST, COMMISSIONER STACY, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED. TRULY, IT IS JUST GETTING THE LINE ITEMS CORRECT BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. NOW, IT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH THE LAST TIME WE DID THESE ILAS. I MEAN, WE JUST COULDN'T GET THEM BACK.

THAT'S WHY THIS TIME I'D ASK FOR THEM TO GO TO THE CITIES FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL APPROVE

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SO THAT WORK IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE. I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAME FROM. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. YEAH, YEAH. IF THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY HAS AGREED TO, I OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. BUT AND WHETHER OR NOT IT DESERVES A MOTION YOU'RE REALLY ON FIRED UP ON MOTIONS, MAN. WE CAN WE CAN MOVE RIGHT THROUGH THIS. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I EXPECT WE'LL SEE THESE CHANGES IN THE NEXT DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP, COMMISSIONER. STACY. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE WILEY AND I. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT WE HAVE WILEY HERE AS FIRE DEPARTMENT, $60,000 BUDGETED LAST YEAR. WE BUDGETED 45. WE'RE ALREADY AT 49. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOSE ARE JUST FOR EMS CALLS. IS THAT RIGHT OR IS THAT WRONG? I BELIEVE IT'S TECHNICALLY A CONTRACT WITH EMS AND FIRE, I BELIEVE. BUT BUT IT IS A BULK OF IT IS EMS. LIKE, LIKE WHAT IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON IS EMS. BUT I BELIEVE THE ILA HAS IS WITH WILEY FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO DOES EMS AND FIRE. YEAH, THAT'S WHO BUILDS US IS WILEY FIRE. SO. RIGHT.

AND THEY CHARGE US A LOT OF MONEY. THEY DO. AND I'M NOT ON THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CORPORATION. SO I'M GETTING OUT OF MY LANE HERE A LITTLE. I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THAT, BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE HEAD OF OUR ROCKWALL COUNTY EMS, AND HE SAYS THAT HE CAN SERVE THEM AND WOULD LIKE TO SERVE THEM ON THE SAME BASIS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AVOID PAYING THE FEE WE HAVE TO PAY TO WILEY BY SHIPPING IT TO EMS OR NOT. WELL, WE HAVE TO GET FIRE. IT IS THE MAIN THING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD GET FIRE UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE COUNTY.

NO, I THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT CAN WE SEVER EMS FROM IT AND LIMIT IT TO FIRE? I DON'T KNOW, WE CERTAINLY COULD. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE BECAUSE WHEN I READ THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE GOT RECENTLY FROM, I THINK IT WAS FROM YOUR OFFICE, LISA. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALL THOSE LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE EMS CALLS AND 2 OR 3 HOMES SEEMED TO BE PERSISTENT VIOLATORS. AND THEY'RE CHARGING US SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT THE THE ROCKWALL EMS GETS. SO DO WE WANT TO TELL THEM TO NOT RESPOND? NO. IT GETS INTO A JUST WHERE NO, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. LET ME TELL YOU, WE NEED TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN CREATE A DIFFERENT CONTRACT THAT SAYS THEY RESPOND TO FIRE CALLS AND TALK WITH OUR EMS GUY AND SEE IF HE'LL HANDLE THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CALLS, BECAUSE HE TOLD ME HE WOULD.

AND WE LOOKED AT THE MAP AND WHERE IT IS AND I SAID, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? HE SAID, WELL, WE CAN GET THERE. AND I SAID, CAN YOU MEET YOUR TIMES? AND HE SAID, YEAH, WE CAN MEET OUR TIMES. WHOSE IS THAT ONE? WHOSE PRECINCT? THAT'S ONE. YEAH, IT'S WAY UP NORTH. GOT IT.

AND IT'S JUST. AND IT'S JUST A CORNER. IT'S UP BY THE LAKE UP THERE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHY THERE MIGHT BE, MIGHT NOT BE REAL EASY TO GET TO, BUT I IF JUST A THOUGHT TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I LIKE THAT IDEA TO LOOK AT IT AND EXPLORE IT. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION THIS MORNING. NO. I WILL VISIT WITH COMMISSIONER GALLARDO WHEN HE GETS BACK IN TOWN. BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA OF RENEGOTIATING OUR CONTRACT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GET THE NEW AMOUNTS EVERY YEAR AND THERE IS NO NEGOTIATING. IT'S, HEY, HERE'S OUR NEW AMOUNT TO COVER THIS AREA PER PER CALL. SO YEAH, I'LL GET WITH COMMISSIONER GALLINA AND START THAT CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. STILL STAYING IN FUND 51. THERE IS A TYLER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR $150,000. WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT DOWN TO 60 BECAUSE THEY FOUND DIFFERENT SOFTWARE. AGAIN THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TAX RATE. THAT DOESN'T. BUT IF MELISSA AND THE AUDITOR COULD GET WITH ERICA AND GET THE DETAILS, I ACTUALLY HAVE THEM.

BUT I ONLY MADE ONE COPY BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED AGAIN. THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT DOWN AGAIN, BUT IT'S 57,500 WITH AN ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION OF 39.5. AND TYLER'S WAS ABOUT THREE

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I WOULD LIKE US TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT CLOUD GAVEL. I THINK Y'ALL REMEMBER ME TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE. THAT IS A TYLER PRODUCT. WHERE WAS THAT BUDGET REQUEST MADE? THAT BUDGET REQUEST IS BEING MADE TODAY, SIR. OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THERE THAT THIS BUDGET REQUEST HAS NEVER FORMALLY BEEN MADE. WHAT I DID IS I BROUGHT IT UP IN A MEETING AS A DISCUSSION ONLY ITEM FOR YOU GUYS TO KNOW. I WAS WORKING ON IT ONCE I GOT IT DONE, BUT IT WAS SO LATE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN I GOT THAT PROPOSAL TOGETHER THAT IT WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY MADE AS A BUDGET. ITEM. I, I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES WE COULD WE COULD PUT IT, BUT IF YOU GUYS DO RECALL, CLOUD GAVEL IS 43,000 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN 288. AND IT WOULD TAKE US TO PAPERLESS WARRANTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING.

I THINK IT WILL HELP WITH OVERSIGHT. AND ANYTIME THAT WE CAN CREATE AUTOMATED AND PAPERLESS SYSTEMS, WE DO TAKE PRESSURE OFF CLERK'S SCALABILITY AND OTHERWISE FOR A GROWING COUNTY. SO I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY. IF I JUST SAVED $90,000 IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUND, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND WE PUT IT. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHERE THE COURT WANTS TO PUT IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO HAVE, IF NOT TODAY, TO, TO, TO PUT IT IN THE REVISION SHEET AND THEN THEN HAVE EVERYONE KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE AND TALK TO SOME OF THE JUDGES AND THE SHERIFF AND THE D.A. ABOUT WHAT IT WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE NOT CRUNCHED FOR TIME, BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT GOING ON TODAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IS THE TIME TO REALLY BUILD A HUGE ARGUMENT ON CLOUD GAVEL. THAT'S WHY I ADDED IT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FIRST, FOR US TO KIND OF AT LEAST GET A GLIMPSE OF WHAT IT IS. IS THIS THE ONE THAT JUDGE NORTON IS HELPING DRIVE THE BUS? THIS IS. NOPE. THAT IS THAT IS ADMINISTRATION WITHIN TYLER. THIS IS A SEPARATE PRODUCT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. AND THIS IS WHAT CLOUD GAVEL DOES IS IT ALLOWS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO BASICALLY ON THEIR PHONE, SEND WARRANTS TO JUDGES, AND JUDGES CAN REVIEW THEM AND SIGN THEM ELECTRONICALLY AND SEND THEM BACK TO THE OFFICERS RATHER THAN OFFICERS KNOCKING ON JUDGES DOORS. IT KEEPS EVERYTHING IN THE TYLER SYSTEM. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SAFETY PROTOCOLS FOR FOR, YOU KNOW, WHO CAN SEE THE WARRANTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT IT JUST AND THEN WHEN WE'RE GOING TO OUR WARRANT EXCHANGE, WHAT THIS COURT HAS APPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS NO COST TO TYLER. THIS JUST STARTS THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET OUR WARRANTS TO BE PAPERLESS FROM FROM START DOWN TO THE DISPATCH CENTER. SO IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THAT. YES. OKAY. IT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE WARRANT EXCHANGE. WOW. SO AND EVERY SINGLE CITY CAN USE IT CAN USE OUR CONTRACT.

THIS IS FOR THE THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO CURRENTLY FATE SPENDS $2,500 ON THEIR CLOUD GAVEL ACCOUNT. IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. I KNOW THAT ROYCE CITY HAS A CLOUD GAVEL ACCOUNT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY SPEND. THEY HAVEN'T TOLD ME YET. AND ANY

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THEY HAVE A WRITING SOFTWARE FOR EXTENSIVE SEARCH WARRANTS, WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY DRAFT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE OFFICER, WHICH WOULD SPEED UP A LOT OF THAT TRANSITIONAL TIME OF TRYING TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF RIGHT. BUT I JUST THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT CLOUD GAVEL.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. AND IT DOES MORE THAN JUST WARRANTS. WE CAN ACTUALLY USE IT IN A LOT OF INTEROPERATION WITH THE JAIL TOO. WHEN THEY BOOK PEOPLE INTO THE JAIL, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY THAT WE CAN USE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE. I'M A LITTLE BIT IGNORANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE CAN GO INTO THAT. BUT IT JUST HELPS US TAKE A LOT OF THAT PAPERWORK AND PUT IT ELECTRONICALLY. AND IT'S 50 GRAND, 50, 50,000 AND THEN 28 EACH YEAR THERE. YEAH, YOU SAID 43, I THOUGHT, BUT SO IT'S 50.

YEAH. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ROUNDING. OH, YOU'RE ROUNDING. OKAY. AND THEN 22 AND THEN IT BECOMES 28. EIGHT. SO I WILL GET THIS PROPOSAL TO MELISSA IN A SECOND. THE OTHER THING THAT I AM WORKING ON THAT I DON'T HAVE TOGETHER, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL A HANDOUT AND I'M WORKING WITH GIS BECAUSE THEY SHOWED THIS TO ME. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WHAT THE COST IS ON ESRI. THAT IS OUR GIS SOFTWARE, AND IT'S A PLUG IN THAT ALLOWS US TO GET A LOT OF COG DATA AT OUR FINGERTIPS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IS. I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THIS IS A TRAFFIC COUNT THAT THEY PULLED BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A SAMPLE. AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO GET A LOT MORE REAL TIME DATA WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE STRATEGIC DECISIONS. IT HAS A LOT OF ALL OF THIS DATA CAME FROM THE PLUG IN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I DO NOT HAVE A PROPOSAL OR A COST FOR THAT PLUGIN JUST YET. WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THAT TOGETHER. SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE KIND OF LOOKING AT GOING, WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REALLY HELP OUR. SO BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COG CAN PROVIDE TO US AS WELL. IN THEORY, I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHERE. THAT'S ME SUMMARIZING, BUT WHERE THIS. THIS DATA HAS TO BE COMING FROM COG. I DON'T SEE IT ANY OTHER WAY. SO IF AGAIN, IF THIS IS $30,000 A YEAR, I'M DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE FOR IT. THEY'RE THINKING IT'S A LOT LESS THAN THAT. AND IT WOULD JUST BE ROLLED INTO OUR ESRI CONTRACT. IF YOU REMEMBER, WITH OUR ESRI CONTRACT, WE ARE GETTING RID OF SOME LICENSES AND SO WE ARE REDUCING THE FEE.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WRITTEN IN WITH THE FULL REDUCTION, IT MIGHT NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT THIS. I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW UP ON FRIDAY WITH THE PROPOSAL. AND YOU GUYS SAY, WHERE IS THIS? I'M TRYING TO JUST LET Y'ALL KNOW EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, AND WE CAN GET IT VOTED UP OR DOWN AT ANY POINT, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO VOTE ON YET. OKAY. AND IT IS LIKE A DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

YES. YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE IMPORTANT IN DETERMINING ROAD PRIORITIES, BUT IS THIS INFORMATION WE COULD GET ANYWAY WITHOUT. YEAH. WHICH IS WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING I'M INTERESTED IN IT, BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IF IT'S $30,000 A YEAR. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE COULD GET THIS SAME DATA FROM COG. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. BUT THINK ABOUT I MEAN, YES, THAT IS THE POINT. WE COULD WE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DATA. IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US. WELL, AND LOOK, I'M NOT GOING TO TURN INTO THE OLD GUY ANTI ELECTRONICS WHICH WELL I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GET YOU THERE. JUST GIVE ME GIVE ME 30 MINUTES. BUT I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW WE HAVE HAD MASSIVE INCREASES IN SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION FEES. AND I KNOW THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GET MORE. I MEAN YES THEY ARE. THAT TREND WILL NOT WILL NOT ABATE. IT WENT UP $45,000. THE COUNTY ENGINEER WENT UP SIX TIMES WHAT IT WAS BEFORE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. SHERIFF'S GOES UP 40 OR 64%. IT'S JUST EVERY TIME WE PLUG IN ONE OF THESE THINGS, WE'RE BETTING ON INCREASES EVERY YEAR. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE

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HAS THAT BEEN REFLECTED IN ANY OF OUR REVISIONS? BECAUSE IT IS AN ACTUAL REDUCTION, A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION FROM 444,000 DOWN TO 387 168. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SOFTWARE GOING UP, WE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY STILL GOING UP, BUT IT'S NOT GOING UP AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE REFLECTION. MR. CRENSHAW IS HERE. I DID ASK HIM LAST WEEK IF HE SUBMITTED HIS UPDATES TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, AND HE DID SAY YES, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S MADE ITS WAY ALL THE WAY TO OUR REVISION SHEET.

AND THAT'S NOT IT. JUST THAT STUFF JUST HAPPENS. I MEAN, IT JUST TAKES TIME AS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THIS STUFF OUT. BUT I HAVE THAT AND I CAN GIVE THAT TO THEM. WHERE DID WE SAVE MONEY? THERE. IS IT JUST THINGS WERE CHEAPER. DID WE FIND DIFFERENT SOFTWARE? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT TAC IS DOING. YEAH, YEAH. BRIAN CAN COME UP AND TALK REAL QUICK. LUCKILY HE IS HERE. ONE OF THEM WAS THE PHISHING SIMULATION THING THAT WE GOT FREE FROM TAC. THE OTHER ONE IS THE THING WE GOT FREE. IT'S A EMDR. IT'S KIND OF LIKE MONITORED ANTIVIRUS. WE GOT THAT FREE FROM THAT R SOC THING THAT GOT STARTED. THE STATE OF TEXAS CENTRAL SECURITY OPERATIONS CENTER, SO WE COULD CANCEL THE ONE WE WERE PAYING FOR AND USE THEIRS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WAS WE, WE HAD A LOG MONITORING FOR OUR FIREWALL THAT WAS BEING KEPT IN THE CLOUD, AND WE MOVED THAT TO SOFTWARE THAT'S LOCAL. IT'S IT SAVES MONEY. SO I THINK THAT WAS ALL THREE OF THEM, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WAS ONLY THREE. GOT IT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A REDUCTION OF SERVICES. THIS IS JUST FINDING COST SAVINGS, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF FREE STUFF AND MOVING SOMETHING FROM THE CLOUD TO LOCAL. GOT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I HAVE THOSE DETAILS THAT I CAN GIVE TO THE AUDITOR.

AND WE CAN JUST HAVE THEM REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. SO THAT WOULD BE ON LINE ITEM FOR 51 FOR THE IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT WOULD BE HOLD ON. IT WOULD BE FOR 66. OH OKAY. OKAY. A REDUCTION TO 387, 16817. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DO WHENEVER WE GET ALL THESE CAPITAL REQUESTS IS I, I GO TO BRIAN AND SAY, SO WHAT, WHAT DID THE JUDGE TAKE OUT THAT WE NEED TO RECONSIDER? HERE'S, HERE'S ONE THING I REALLY LIKE ABOUT MR. CRENSHAW'S REQUEST. HE PUTS HIS WHAT HE DEEMS HIS MOST NEEDED ITEM FIRST AND THEN A SECOND, MOST NEEDED ITEM SECOND, AND PROCEEDS THAT WAY SO I CAN KNOW WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR DOLLARS, WHICH EVENTUALLY LEADS TO US LOOKING FOR NICKELS. I CAN KNOW WHAT WHAT HE DEEMS MOST IMPORTANT, SO IT MAKES IT EASY TO AT LEAST LEAVE THE FIRST TWO OR 3 OR 4 ITEMS ALONE ON HIS BUDGET. SO. AND WE ARE RAPIDLY APPROACHING.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE STALL UNTIL COMMISSIONER GILANI GETS BACK SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE. BUT WE ARE RAPIDLY APPROACHING LOOKING FOR COST SAVINGS POINT OF THIS ENDEAVOR.

BUT PLEASE CONTINUE, COMMISSIONER STACY. YES. SO OKAY, THEN. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I FINALLY GOT AHOLD OF MY JP AND SHE WOULD LIKE ME TO ADVOCATE FOR HER PART TIME BECOMING FULL TIME. SHE THINKS THAT WOULD BE MORE VALUE TO HER OPERATIONS. SO I KNOW THAT WE

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AND SO WHEN I TALKED TO HER OVER THE WEEKEND, SHE SAID THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT OBVIOUSLY, BUT SHE IS JUST DROWNING IN PAPERWORK FROM THE CREDIT CARD CLAIMS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM PRECINCT FOUR. AND SHE WOULD JUST PREFER TO HAVE MORE HOURS FROM HER CLERKS TO PROCESS THOSE, THOSE CASES. SO THAT WAS HER REQUEST. AND I THINK Y'ALL REMEMBER I SAID, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER YET, SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY SHE SHE REALLY WANTS TO GO. SO THAT'S WHAT SHE ASKED ME TO DO. SO I WANTED TO CLEAN THAT UP. WELL, SHE CERTAINLY DOES. SORRY, SORRY.

PRECINCT FOUR CERTAINLY DOES HAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF THOSE LAWSUITS. YES. I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE. HOLD ON. LET ME GET ALL MY STUFF TOGETHER. SO, COMMISSIONER STACY, SO FAR, THREE OUT OF FOUR THINGS. YOU'VE SAVED MONEY AND THEN SPENT MONEY. THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEN THIS ONE IS. YEAH, WELL, THIS ONE IS ADDING MONEY BACK IN THAT I DIDN'T HAVE IN THE FIRST DRAFT. YOU ARE CORRECT. OKAY. LET'S SEE. WE DID THAT ALREADY. OKAY. SO THEN ANOTHER THING I WANT US TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT, AND THAT WOULD BE MOVING TO DOCUSIGN.

HERE IS THE DOCUSIGN PROPOSAL FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. I THOUGHT WE WERE ALREADY MOVING TO DOCUSIGN. WELL, WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED IT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. IT IS. IT DOESN'T EXIST. SO MEREDITH AND I HAVE DILIGENTLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH COMMISSIONER GALENA, HAVING LOTS OF MEETINGS, FIGURING OUT HOW TO TIE THIS COST DOWN. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSAL FOR 1301. THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY WILL ALMOST BE $20,000, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF USERS THAT WE NEED TO ADD IN ORDER TO CREATE THE DOCUMENTS AND MOVE THEM AROUND. WE'RE KIND OF DOING OUR BEST TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO BE CREATING DOCUMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR DOCUSIGN. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP.

LET'S GO OVER THOSE REASONS BECAUSE I SIGN A LOT OF DOCUMENTS VIA DOCUSIGN. SO IS THAT. BUT YOU DON'T SIGN COUNTY DOCUMENTS LIKE GENERATED FROM THE COUNTY. GOT IT. I WAS GETTING READY TO ASK, IS THAT BECAUSE THE ENTITY THAT SENT ME THE DOCUMENT, WHATEVER GRANT USES DOCUSIGN. SO HOW PREVALENT IS THAT NEED? WHICH DEPARTMENTS IS THIS INTRA DEPARTMENTS, OR IS THIS LITERALLY THINGS THAT THE COUNTY GENERATES SENDING TO TO OTHER ENTITIES TO SIGN? OR IS THIS BETWEEN. I THINK IT COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, IT WOULD BE INTERNAL, MAINLY. GOT IT, NOT ALL OF IT, BECAUSE HR WOULD HAVE SOME FUNCTIONALITY WITH DOCUSIGN FOR APPLICANTS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE. BUT IT WOULD BE A LOT OF INTERNAL IN DEPARTMENTAL, I GUESS, IS HOW WE WOULD SAY THAT INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMUNICATIONS. AND IT WOULD ENABLE US TO GET SIGNATURES ON INVOICES RIGHT AWAY, INSTEAD OF SENDING EMAILS AND TRACKING PEOPLE DOWN. AND I THINK IT WOULD SPEED UP A LOT OF OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES. I THINK IT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER SECURITY WITH OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES, AND THOSE WOULD BE THE MAIN DRIVING FORCES FOR DOING IT. SO HOW DO WE DO IT NOW? DO WE? I ALWAYS ASSUME THAT I'M DIFFERENT THAN OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I MEAN, I GET STUFF ALL THE TIME THAT'S PRINTED, PUT ON MY DESK TO SIGN, SCANNED BACK IN AND SENT TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS. THIS WOULD JUST SEND AN EMAIL TO ME TO, TO SIGN IT TO, TO SIGN IT.

YES. ONE OF THE AND I'M COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE WE'VE GOT DOCUSIGN AT MY LAW FIRM FIVE YEARS AGO, AND IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. BUT ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES WITH IT IS

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HOW DOES THIS GOING TO AFFECT OUR DOCUMENT AND RECORD KEEPING SYSTEM? AND HAVE WE GOT THAT FIGURED OUT YET? WE WOULD BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED THE SYSTEM, NO DOUBT. SO I'M JUST SAYING I CANNOT SPEAK FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT WOULD BE USING IT. BUT WE WOULD NEED ONE.

YEAH, IT AND I'M I'M RAISING THAT AGAIN. LIKE I SAID, OUR LAW FIRM PROBABLY GOT THIS FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S A REAL ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF DOCUMENTS. AND WHEN I SEE THE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING HERE THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO HAVE A WAGE SUBSIDY APPLICATION WHO'S SUPPOSED TO GET IT? HOW DOES IT GET TO THEM? WHERE DOES THAT WORK? AND WE KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THIS BIG CLOUD, OKAY. AND IT'S GOT A BUNCH OF NUMBERS. IT SAYS IT WENT HERE AT THIS TIME AND HERE AT THIS TIME AND DA DA DA. BUT NOBODY'S GOING TO KNOW WHERE THAT HOW TO GET THAT IS. SO I WOULD BE I'M NOT REALLY I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF WE DO IT, WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF OUR DOCUMENTS. WELL, YEAH I AGREE.

WHAT POLICY IMPLICATIONS DO WE HAVE TO DO WE HAVE ANY POLICIES RIGHT NOW THAT THE FIRST THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PASS A COURT ORDER THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN ACCEPT DOCUSIGN SIGNATURES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. OKAY. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD TAKE OUR NORMAL DOCUMENT FLOW.

GOT IT. IT WOULD JUST BECOME ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT. AND HOW MUCH IS THIS $20,000. 20. AND THEN ANNUALLY. $20,000. YES, SIR. AND THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU WANT IT TO BE. SO, YEAH, I WOULD SAY FROM THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, WHICH HAS BEEN WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PIONEERS THAT STARTED WORKING WITH DOCUSIGN BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE THAT, AT LEAST IN THE REAL ESTATE SECTOR.

COMMISSIONER LICHTY THERE ARE THERE'S ONE OWNER. OKAY. BUT THEN THAT YOU CAN SHARE THE DATA ALSO WITH THEIR LIKE TITLE COMPANIES, YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE PERSON THAT'S PURCHASING IT VERSUS THE SELLER. SO ALL OF THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED INITIALLY. AND THEN THROUGH THOSE POLICIES THAT THE JUDGE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT WILL DETERMINE WHO KIND OF OWNS THE, THE, THE MAIN DOCUMENT. BUT MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR INDIVIDUALS HAVE, HAVE THAT HAVE ACCESS IN THEIR, IN THEIR FILE ALSO. SO IT'S, BUT IT IS A, I THINK IT PROBABLY WILL BOIL DOWN TO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SOME PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES OF WHO OWNS IT, BUT IT. IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR, I'M GOING TO SAY PROBABLY OVER 10 OR 15 YEARS, IF NOT MORE WITH WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, WHICH IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REAL ESTATE. SO I'M INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY. I KNOW YOU ARE. AND BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SYSTEMS AND THEY'RE WORKING. AND I THINK THIS IS MORE THAN JUST SAYING, HEY, LET'S SIGN UP FOR DOCUSIGN. I THINK THAT IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHERE THESE DOCUMENTS GO AND HOW YOU KEEP TRACK OF THEM. AND I JUST BEFORE WE PROCEED ON IT, IF WE PROCEED ON IT, I'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING DOCUMENTS, AND YOU SEE A LOT OF THEM SITTING IN THIS ROOM, ARE UP TO SPEED AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT DOCUMENT FLOW AND THOSE DOCUMENT RECORDS AFTER THE FACT. I AGREE, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU EXPLORE ALL THE FUNDS, THE VARIOUS FUNDS WE HAVE, AND SEE IF THIS WOULD FIT INTO ONE OF THOSE FUNDS. WE HAVE ALL THE TECH FUNDS, THE DOCUMENT FUNDS, JUST FUNDS. YEAH. NO, NO, I AGREE, BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PUT IT INTO THE UNIVERSE. YES, SIR. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLACE TO USE ARCHIVAL

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AND THEN IF THE FLEET MAINTENANCE GUY GETS IT, THEN WE WOULD JUST GIVE GAS BECAUSE WE WOULD WE WOULD BE DOING ALL THE OIL CHANGES IN THE FLEET DEPARTMENT. SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A BIG STEP IN CHANGING. I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSIONER WANTS TO DO. HE'S MENTIONED IT BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT THE COURT WANTS TO REALLY LOOK AT DOING THIS SERIOUSLY OR KIND OF, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE LOOKING AT? IF WE JUST LEAVE GAS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS AND PULL OUT MAINTENANCE AND OIL? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY CHANGE WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING. IT WOULD JUST CHANGE HOW WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR IT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IF WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF THAT DEPARTMENT AND LAND IT IN A FLEET TECH MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I WOULD LIKE US TO START LOOKING AT, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK FROM LISA TO GET US THERE. AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, LISA, DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK. IF I'M GOING TO SHOW UP AND GET A FOUR ONE VOTE AGAINST ME. GOT IT. NOW, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS. TO, TO HAVE IN-HOUSE MAINTENANCE FLEET TECH. AND ONE IS JUST DOWNTIME OF, OF COUNTY VEHICLES, BUT THE OTHER IS, IS COST EFFICIENT IS ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD BE LOOKING JUST AT COST, NOT NOT A MARKUP. AND. SO I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE FLEET TECH BACK INTO THE BUDGET. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE RAPIDLY APPROACHING THE. WE ARE NO LONGER ADDING. WE ARE ONLY TAKING AWAY PART OF THE GAME SHOW, JUST AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC IN THE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS CAPITAL PAGES ON THERE, COMMISSIONER.

I'M ON PAGE 112 OF THIS VERSION. THERE WERE THREE ITEMS TOTALING ABOUT $29,300, WHICH, IF WE PUT THAT MAINTENANCE TECH BACK IN, WE WILL NEED TO ADD THOSE IN AS CAPITAL EXPENSE ITEMS. CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT. ALL OF THOSE COME BACK IN WITH IT. YEAH. AND I THINK SOMEBODY MADE NOTE OF THAT THE OTHER DAY WHEN I MENTIONED IT. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. I WAS IDENTIFIED THREE OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT THERE MAY BE MORE. BUT AND THEY'RE IN THE REVISION SHEET AT 34,300, WHICH IS WHAT I CALCULATED ON FRIDAY. SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? THE REVISION SHEET THAT WAS HANDED TO US THIS MORNING. IT HAS LINE ITEM 55 801 MAINTENANCE CAPITAL FOR FLEET GOING BACK TO 34,300. SO I'M JUST SAYING SOMEONE DID CAPTURE IT AS FAR AS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. IT'S ON PAGE TWO THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE. MELISSA. THAT IS CORRECT. WHERE'S 55? I'M LOOKING AT LINE 55801. IT SAYS CAPITAL FOR FLEET TECH. OKAY.

34 300 THAT'S. 55801 OKAY. LINE OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH. SO SO I WAS JUST SAYING WE AT LEAST CAPTURED THE CAPITAL. IF WE BRING IT BACK IN, WE GOT TO DO IT. YEAH. I COULD SEE ONE BENEFIT TO MOVING MAINTENANCE TO ONE LINE FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTY IS THAT YOU DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT WORK GETS DONE ON THE, ON COUNTY VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOW EVERYONE, IT'S THEIR OWN DEPARTMENTAL MONEY. THAT WOULD BE THE MAJOR LIKE NUMBER. WHAT IS IT? THAT WOULD BE REASON ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR TO DO IT AND THEN WE CAN FIND REASON FIVE. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME SOME GOOD TRAINING OF THE, THE, THE, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO OWN THE, I MEAN, WHO HAVE COUNTY VEHICLES TO GET USED TO THAT CHANGE. BUT IT'S ALL POSSIBLE. IT IS ALL POSSIBLE. RIGHT? THERE'S I LIKE THAT IT IS ALL POSSIBLE. AND THEN TURNS THE MIC OFF. IT IS ALL POSSIBLE. I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF

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THEN. I'M TRYING TO KEEP US LIKE ON THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESSES. OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF A LOT OF THE MORE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. SO I DO WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT THE DA'S OFFICE REMODEL. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE WRITTEN IN A PATH FORWARD. SO I WANTED TO ASK LISA, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH FUND 26? I NOTICED THAT THAT IT SAYS IT'S COURTHOUSE RENOVATION. IT HAS $580,000 IN IT. IS THAT EVEN REMOTELY IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY FOR US BEING ABLE TO USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO KIND OF JUMP START HOW WE FIND THIS MONEY? MOST DEFINITELY. YOU COULD USE THAT FUND THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR THE THIRD FLOOR PROJECT. SO I HAVE CONTINUED TO KEEP IT ENCUMBERED FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. YOU HAD ASSIGNED. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SAID YOU WERE GOING TO USE IT AND MAYBE YOU PROBABLY WON'T, SO THAT MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE. WOULD A COMPRESSOR THAT'S BROKEN IN THAT COURTHOUSE BE ABLE TO BE USED IN THAT FUND AS WELL? I'D HAVE TO READ THE FUND AGAIN ON THAT.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A MAINTENANCE ITEM, BUT I WOULD LET ME LET ME CAN YOU JUST LOOK INTO THAT? I'LL SEND THE STATUTE OUT TO EVERYONE. OKAY. YEAH. FIVE, 580 IS A GOOD HEAD START. IT GETS US GOING. IT IT GETS US GOING. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON AN AMOUNT. AND THEN EITHER COMMISSIONER LICHTY OR MYSELF OR BOTH OF US, ONCE WE GET THE AMOUNT, WE'LL START NEGOTIATIONS TO TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT. WELL, IT'S 580 IS A GOOD START. IT ALSO DRAINS THAT FUND. IT DOES. IT DOES. AND IF I IF I REMEMBER, I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE WHEN THAT WAS STARTED, BUT IF I REMEMBER MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE GENESIS OF IT WAS THAT WE PUT MONEY IN EVERY YEAR TO TRY AND TAKE CARE OF EXPENSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD. SO IT'S A VALID SEEMS LIKE A VALID USE TO ME, BUT IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF THAT'S NOT THAT FUND. THAT'S A DIFFERENT FUND. THERE IS A FUND THAT'S SET UP THAT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT FUN. 26 IT'S NOT FUN. OKAY. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S FUND? 2626 COMMISSIONER BAILEY WENT AND GOT THAT LEGISLATION PASSED. IT WAS A I WANT TO SAY, A $15 FEE THAT WAS ALLOWED BY FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY TO CHARGE. WHICH PAGE IS THIS ON FUND 26? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW? 5555 ON PAGE 55. DON'T MAKE ME LOSE FAITH IN YOU. YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. I FORGOT TO WRITE THAT PAGE NUMBER DOWN. I USUALLY WRITE THEM DOWN. OKAY.

PAGE 55. YEAH, IT WAS A SPECIFIC STATUTE FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY THAT I WANT TO SAY A $15 FEE ON COURT CASES WERE COLLECTED. AND, AND I KNOW THE THE FEE COLLECTION WAS A FINITE PERIOD. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT I DO REMEMBER IT. IT STOPPED AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR IT WILL STOP. AND IT WAS SOMETHING COMMISSIONER BAILEY DID AFTER THE COURTHOUSE WAS BUILT. IT WAS FOR GREAT FORWARD THINKING ON HIS PART.

GREAT FORWARD THINKING IN IN. IF IT HASN'T STOPPED, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK TO OUR LEGISLATORS ABOUT MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T STOP. OKAY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEND US THE LEGISLATION ON FUND 26. I CAN TEXT SOMEBODY IN MY OFFICE THAT MAYBE CAN GET IT PRINTED OUT. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT. AND I'LL TALK TO OUR STATE LEGISLATOR. WELL, FIRST, LET ME SEE IF IT IS SET TO STOP THEN. IF SO, WE'LL WE'LL START THE. WELL, WHERE'S THE FUND THEN? THAT MONEY WAS PUT ASIDE FOR FUTURE. I THINK YOU'RE THINKING 202 OR. YEAH. 202 THAT'S FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT.

THE SEVERE FUND SEVERE FUND IS. 202 YES. ANY IDEA WHAT PAGE IT'S ON. NO I DON'T. I'M SORRY.

HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. PAGE 95. PAGE 95. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT FUND DOESN'T HAVE VERY

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THAT SIMPLE. BUT BUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE ALSO, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT BEFORE OUR MEETINGS ARE OVER, THAT THE 28 CENT RATE WE DISCUSSED WILL BE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO TO LOWER IT. AND, AND ON THE AND ON THE DA'S OFFICE THAT DOES FUND THE PARK HILL, WHICH IS THE OBVIOUSLY, THE THE ARCHITECT THAT'S GOING TO BE GUIDING US THROUGH THAT PROJECT. THE 580 GETS US, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY IN THE BALLPARK, LET'S SAY IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE BALLPARK OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IT TO COST. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDS IN FOR SOME F-F-A THAT WE PUT IN THE, THAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT. SO, SO THERE'S A WAY WE COULD FOR THE DA, FOR THE DA, LIKE $48,000. ISN'T THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GETTING PIECED TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT BY LITTLE BIT. AND, AND WHAT, WHAT I'M HOPING WE DO, AND I DON'T WANT LISA TO STRANGLE ME TODAY IS CREATE A PROJECT FUND SO THAT WE CAN CLEARLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DA'S OFFICE. BECAUSE WITH IT BEING DONE IN FUND 202 DOES MAKE IT CONFUSING FOR US BECAUSE THEN WE JUST TRY TO KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT FUND.

SO IF WE DO SAY, YES, WE'RE DOING THE DA'S OFFICE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT DOING IS CREATING THIS AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THIS MONEY HERE, AND THEN WE CAN WATCH IT AND MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD, WHICH IS A VERY SMALL LITTLE ACCOUNTING THING, DOESN'T ADD MONEY. IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO, TO NOT SEE $600,000 SITTING IN A FUND WHEN $600,000 IS ACTUALLY ALL BEING SPENT. SO WAIT A MINUTE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. I'M AT WHAT IS FUND 26? I GUESS IT'S 20220. IT STARTS WITH 202 AND THEN 300. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY, SO IT'S FUN. 202 AND THERE'S SET ASIDE FOR THE DA EXPANSION.

350 000 AND YOU SAID THAT'S ALL GOING TO PAY PARK HILL. THEY'RE GOING TO REDUCE THEIR FEE. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT SAYS FOR THEIR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES. AND AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE OUR CONSULTANTS THROUGH THE ENTIRE REMODEL PROJECT. AND THE REMODEL PROJECT I HEARD THE OTHER DAY WAS 800 TO 1 MILLION. SO WE'RE PAYING 35% OF THE, THE COSTS FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES, THE FEE IS GOING TO BE REDUCED. IT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY SAYS. IT SEEMS REAL HIGH. YES. THEY HAVE REDUCED THE SCOPE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE DONE A DIFFERENT WAY. AND WE'RE CHANGING THE WAY WE'RE BUILDING IT TO BE CHEAPER ALL THE WAY AROUND, GOING TO A SEALED BID RATHER THAN GOING GOING THROUGH OTHER TYPES. SO THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF WORK PARK HILL HAS TO DO. AND THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT AT LEAST $70,000 REDUCTION IN FEE. STILL A LOT OF MONEY. I MEAN, WHEN YOU START FIGURING IT AGAINST IF WE HAVE $1 MILLION EXPANSION, EVEN UNDER THOSE NUMBERS AT 70, YOU'RE PAYING 28% FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND MECHANICAL DESIGN TO. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST ARCHITECTURAL. I'M JUST SAYING, JUST TO BE FAIR, BECAUSE THEY HAD TO DO THEY HAD TO REDESIGN THE, THE AC UNITS AND THE LIGHTS. THAT'S INCLUDED. AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT AND I'M NOT A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR $1 MILLION PROJECT. YEAH, A LOT OF MONEY. MAYBE NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS $279,956. YEAH. SO I'M SURE I PUT THE 350 IN THE BUDGET TO. THAT WAS THE

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YES, SIR. AND YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A $70,000 REDUCTION FROM THAT. YES. SOUNDS MUCH BETTER. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 210,000. AND IF YOU TAKE 210 AND HERE YOU GOT 340, THAT GIVES YOU $140,000 THAT CAN GO INTO THE DA'S EXPANSION, ACTUAL WORK GETTING DONE, RIGHT. NOT TO MINIMIZE, NOT TO MINIMIZE THAT. THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. LET'S SAY THEY'RE NOT DOING WORK. THEY ARE. THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD. BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US ANOTHER $140,000. IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT, TO PUT IN THAT POCKET. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING INTO FOCUS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING. I HAVE BEEN TRYING, I SHOULD SAY, OF TRYING TO SILO A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SO THAT WHEN WE GOT TO THIS BUDGET, WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF AVENUE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? AND AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE A SIZABLE FUND BALANCE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT FUND BALANCE. WE WILL GET THERE. RIGHT. YOU WILL PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE WEEK. BUT YES, THAT COULD BE PUT INTO THE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT. AS FOR ONE TIME. YEAH. FOR, FOR YOUR FOR YOUR EXPANSION. RIGHT. OKAY.

I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE SUBJECT I WOULD LIKE US TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN I WILL LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE ELECTEDS HERE THAT I THINK WOULD LIKE TO FAIR ENOUGH, LIKE TO TALK TO US. YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND COME UP NOW. OH I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. NO, LET'S GO AHEAD. LET'S START WITH KENNEDY. YEAH. I'M NOT WEARING MY GLASSES. YEAH. SORRY. YEAH.

COME ON. COME ON UP. KENDALL CULPEPPER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND COMMISSIONER STACY, WE MIGHT HAVE JUMPED THE GUN. YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN GETTING TO THIS, SO. OKAY, GOOD. FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO JUST MENTION QUICKLY ABOUT. BECAUSE Y'ALL JUST TALKED ABOUT THE DA'S OFFICE REMODEL AND REMIND NOT ONLY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC WHO IS LISTENING.

THE DA'S OFFICE WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE IN THIS EXPANSION SPACE. FROM THE TIME THAT THE COURTHOUSE WAS BUILT, AT THE TIME THAT WE BUILT THE COURTHOUSE IN 2011, A DECISION WAS MADE BY ME THAT WE DID NOT NEED THAT EXTRA SPACE AND THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT TEN YEARS AGO FOR US TO USE IT FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, I.E. THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. AND SO AT THAT TIME, FOR EFFICIENCY'S SAKE, AND CERTAINLY FOR FOR MONEY'S SAKE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A PLACE AS WELL. WE MADE A DECISION TO USE THE DA EXPANSION SPACE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CALLED THAT FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. AT THIS POINT, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS GROWN TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO MORE OFFICE SPACE IN THE DA'S OFFICE.

WE'VE HAD IT IN THE BUDGET, A BUDGET REQUEST FOR THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ARE FINALLY MOVING TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE EXPANDING THAT SPACE. SO I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY FROM THE GET GO THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SECONDLY, THAT IS BUILT OUT SPACE. ALL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS WALLS PUT UP, AND CERTAINLY THE HVAC AND THE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE REDIRECTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE IN INDIVIDUAL OFFICES RATHER THAN JUST THE ENTIRE SPACE THAT'S CURRENTLY OUTFITTED. WHY IN THE WORLD IT'S GOING TO COST. I'VE TALKED TO ALL FOUR OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, WHY IT'S GOING TO COST THAT MUCH MONEY TO BUILD THIS SPACE IS BEYOND MY WILDEST IMAGINATION. HOWEVER, I AM ALSO NOT AN ARCHITECT. I AM ALSO NOT A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO STEP OUT OF THAT LANE. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. CAN I ANSWER A COUPLE OF THOSE QUESTIONS? NUMBER ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE ESTHETIC ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE OFFICE SPACE. WE DON'T WANT TO TURN A CORNER AND THEN BUILD A SUBSTANDARD. SO THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS WE COULD SAVE MONEY IS THE POINT. SO WE'RE BUILDING THE WALLS TO DEC WITHIN THE OFFICES TO KEEP OUT NOISE ISSUES. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT FROM THE BUILD OUT OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING TO HERE, TRYING TO KEEP THE FINISHES AS CONSISTENTLY AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE SPACE. SO IT'S A CONCERTED EFFORT TO TRY TO MAKE THE DA'S OFFICE LOOK LIKE ONE COHESIVE SPACE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IS BUILDING MATERIALS, CARPET, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND THEN BUILDING ALL THE OFFICES ALL THE WAY TO DECK SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE

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NOW, AT THIS AT THE TIME, I COMMITTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS WITH GENERAL FUNDS, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS CONSENTED TO THAT, I WAS NOT GOING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS AGAIN FOR ONE MAJOR REASON, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEM. AND SO AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS APPROVED, I I COMMITTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT I WOULD NOT FUND THOSE POSITIONS WITH GENERAL FUNDS OR OTHERWISE.

THAT WAS ON CONSENT AGENDA AND IT WAS APPROVED ON MARCH 24TH. NOW, SO AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE THOSE POSITIONS IN THE HEADCOUNT. WE'VE HAD THOSE FOR OVER A YEAR OR A YEAR NOW. THEY ARE ALSO FUNDED WITH GENERAL FUNDS. NOW, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BUDGET IS TIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAN WE MIGHT HAVE PROJECTED ON MARCH 24TH. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT ALSO, THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT FUNDING THOSE TWO POSITIONS WITH GENERAL FUNDS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSENTED TO, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND AND BACK THOSE OUT OF THE BUDGET.

HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE HEADCOUNT REMAINS IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE I DO STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO USE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS ON THOSE POSITIONS. IF I HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, AND Y'ALL CAN ALSO MID-YEAR CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT FUNDING THEM IF MONEY IS FOUND. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, FIRST OF ALL, ON THAT, THAT ON THAT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT VOTE AND WHAT WE ARE CERTAINLY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT IT STAY IN THE IN THE GENERAL BUDGET. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE EXPANSION SPACE CREATED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE SPOTS. HOWEVER, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT THAT EXPANSION SPACE BUILT OUT. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE, AND I BELIEVE THAT AFTER TALKING TO YOU THAT EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT TO KEEP THE HEADCOUNT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I OPEN MYSELF UP TO

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AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR Y'ALL AT THIS TIME? I DO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. NOPE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I WANTED TO ALSO THANK EACH ONE OF YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU LAST WEEK. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? THE LAW LIBRARY. DID YOU JUST SAY THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THAT TO PAY FOR A CLERK? CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO YES, THE WE WOULD WE WOULD TAKE HALF OF THE TYLER CLERK SALARY AND MOVE IT TO THE LAW LIBRARY AS A SUPPORT FOR THE LAW LIBRARY. OKAY. OKAY. IS MY IS MY SUGGESTION. ALL RIGHT, JUDGE MESSER, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE COURT, SIR? YES, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE. JUSTICE OF THE PEACE PRECINCT TWO. MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE JUST BRIEFLY THIS MORNING. I KNOW THAT ALL THE OTHER JP'S HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO YOU ALL BEFORE. DURING THIS BUDGET SEASON, YOU ALL HAVE HAD A TASK THAT IS JUST ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. IT SEEMS LIKE MAKING SURE THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF FOR, AND ALSO THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS AND THEIR HOUSEHOLDS. AND I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH THING TO BALANCE. THIS YEAR. I DID NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING CHANGES, NO CHANGES ON MY BUDGET REQUEST FROM LAST YEAR. I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE BUDGET WISE, MONETARILY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THERE. HOWEVER, I DID FAIL TO DO SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T SURE EXACTLY WHEN I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IT. I DO NEED A PART TIME CLERK. I HAVE A SEASONED VETERAN CLERK IN THERE THAT IS OVERWHELMED. OUT OF THE FOUR COURTS, WE ARE BASICALLY NUMBER 1 IN 3 CATEGORIES AND NUMBER TWO IN ANOTHER CATEGORY. WE'RE NUMBER TWO IN CRIMINAL AND WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN ALL OTHER CATEGORIES EVICTIONS, SMALL CLAIMS AND DEBT CLAIMS. OUR CLERKS ARE. OVER THERE. THEY'RE UP TO HERE. I PUT MY HAND ABOVE MY FACE HERE. SO THEY'RE BUSY. I THINK THEY COULD REALLY USE A LOT OF HELP. I HAVE DOCUMENTS HERE. I REALIZED HERE, OH MY. MY CLERK REALIZED THAT THE NUMBERS WERE WRONG. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. I CAN EMAIL THEM TO YOU LATER ON. BUT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, OUR NUMBERS ARE THERE FOR SOME HELP. I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT LAST YEAR. I DIDN'T DO IT. I KNOW THE OTHER JP'S HAVE ASKED FOR AT LEAST EITHER FULL TIME OR PART TIME. WE'RE A VERY BUSY COURT.

WE HANDLE A LOT OF EVICTIONS. WE HANDLE A LOT OF CIVIL SMALL CLAIMS CASES. I THINK WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DEBT CLAIM CASES. I THINK WE'RE NUMBER ONE AND CRIMINAL. WE'RE

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I MEAN, EVERY MONDAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE GET IN OUR FRONT WINDOW. WHERE'S COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER ONE. RIGHT. IT'S JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT REALLY TAKE AWAY FROM THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR COURT AND HOW THEY'RE JUST FEELING OVERWHELMED. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS AND I'LL EMAIL THEM TO Y'ALL LATER ON. I WAS A LITTLE BUSY THIS PAST THAT PAST YEAR WITH THE CAMPAIGN, AND I DIDN'T ASK. I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR A NEW CLERK. RIGHT? I DON'T Y'ALL MAY HAVE SENT ME AN EMAIL ABOUT A WORKSHOP MEETING, BUT I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN A WORKSHOP MEETING THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUBMIT A NEW BUDGET, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THE OLD ONE WAS GOING TO CARRY OVER. THAT'S THAT'S MY MISTAKE. IF THAT'S A MISTAKE. I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO COMMISSIONER, DOCTOR, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH ABOUT ABOUT THIS ISSUE. IN THE PAST, I MAY HAVE TALKED TO COMMISSIONER LICHTY AS WELL, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT I THINK NEEDS COULD BE ADDRESSED IF THE COURT COULD ADDRESS ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PART TIME CLERK FOR JP TWO, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD REALLY, REALLY USE IT. AND I FEEL THAT. OUR SEASONED VETERAN CLERK CAN REALLY NEED THAT HELP. AND I'M AFRAID IF WE DON'T GIVE HIM SOME MORE ASSISTANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. GOT IT. SO YOU'RE ASKED TODAY IS FOR A PART TIME, PART TIME CLERK. YES, SIR. THAT'S IT. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'RE DEFINITELY IN A UNIQUE, UNIQUE POSITION OF ONE OF OUR JUDGES AND EVERYBODY UP HERE SYMPATHETIC TO, TO CAMPAIGNING.

AND YOUR FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ARE GOING TO BE ARE COUNTY COURT AT LAW JUDGE HERE VERY QUICKLY. SO YEAH, YOU'VE GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE. YEAH. IF YOU WOULD EMAIL THE THE THE DATA.

AND AS YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT. I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, I'M GOING TO BE UPSTAIRS IN COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER ONE IN NOVEMBER. I'M JUST WONDERING, THE VICTOR CARRILLO HAVE A FRESH START. SET HIM UP FOR SUCCESS. YES SIR. AND I ALSO THINK FROM A FROM A HUMAN RESOURCES STANDPOINT, YOU'VE NOTED HE'S A SENIOR CLERK AND YOU KIND OF NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO TRAIN THAT AT SOME POINT, IF THAT IF A CHANGE WERE TO HAPPEN, YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE IN THERE THAT KIND OF ALREADY HAS LEARNED AND COULD STEP INTO A MORE, A MORE FULL TIME POSITION IF NECESSARY. YES. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUDGE MESSER? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YOU BET.

I HAVE A QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEP. FIRE AWAY. CAMMIE, I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK, BUT SINCE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY MENTIONED THE UNFUNDED POSITIONS WERE ACTUALLY FUNDED FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. AM I ABLE TO IF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HIRES SOMEONE INTO THOSE POSITIONS, AM I ABLE TO SIGN THOSE PERSONNEL DOCUMENTS? I I'M JUST STILL CONFUSED BECAUSE IN WHEN IT WAS ON CONSENT AGENDA IN MARCH AND THE COURT APPROVED FOR THOSE POSITIONS TO BE FUNDED, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE FUNDED FROM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT. IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THE FUNDING SOURCE. I WOULD SAY YES, IT WOULD BE MY MY INSTRUCTIONS. OKAY. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THE MONEY FROM FROM SOMEWHERE. SOMEWHERE IN SOMEWHERE. YES, MA'AM. TO. YEP. BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR FY 26. THAT'S RIGHT. 27. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUDGET IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE HEADCOUNT IN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUDGET FOR 27. BUT. 26 IF. AND WE'RE CLEARLY NOT GOING TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION DONE IN. 26 BUT. 26 IF WE HIRE, WE WILL FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE AND MOVE IT. YES, MA'AM. TO CLARIFY, THE HEADCOUNT AND THE FUNDING ARE TWO SEPARATE. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY OR UNSUCCESSFULLY, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, SEVERED HEADCOUNT AND BUDGET. SO WHY DO YOU SAY IN 27 WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR IT IF WE IF WE KEEP THE HEADCOUNT, WE DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET FOR IT. BUT THEN WE'RE JUST PLAYING THE SAME GAME. IF WE DO HIRE IT, THEN WE HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY. BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE

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WAIT, I, I AGREE WITH YOU UP UNTIL THE LAST SENTENCE WHEN YOU SAID OR SHE HAS OTHER POSITIONS UNFILLED, THAT SHE COULD USE THESE TO FILL IT. THAT WOULDN'T WORK THAT WAY.

WHY NOT? IF WE KEPT THE HEADCOUNT IN AND WE HAD MONEY THAT WE HAVEN'T USED, WE CAN THEN NOT USE THAT MONEY FOR WHATEVER WE WOULD NEED COURT ACTION TO LET THE AUDITOR, THE TREASURER AND HR KNOW THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE MONEY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I MEAN, SO IN THEORY, YES, SHE COULD COME IN AND SAY, HEY, THIS POSITION IS GOING TO BE THIS POSITION, BUT IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE COURT ACTION TO SAY WE APPROVE THESE EXPENDITURES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUDGET. IT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF. WHAT, I GUESS. I MEAN, IF SHE HAD TWO LIKE, LET'S SAY SHE HAD TWO PARALEGAL POSITIONS ON UNFILLED, BUT THEY WERE FUNDED. AND SHE SAYS, I DON'T WANT THE PARALEGALS NOW. I WANT A PROSECUTOR. I'M GOING TO USE THE TWO, THE TWO UNFILLED, AND THEN HIRE A PROSECUTOR. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS AN OPEN POSITION. I MEAN, IT'S A SIGN, CORRECT? WHY? WHY CAN'T IT WORK THAT WAY? WELL, SHE'D HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND GET APPROVAL TO SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO USE WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY JUST SAID. HE MIGHT REQUIRE COURT ACTION, BUT SHE WOULD HAVE A. WHEN THE BUDGET'S DONE, THERE WILL BE A FINITE POT OF MONEY IN THE DA'S BUDGET. RIGHT.

AND THERE'S TWO POSITIONS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WILL BE LISTED BUT NOT FUNDED. SO IF FROM THAT FINITE POT OF MONEY SHE WANTS TO SHIFT TO FUND THOSE, CAN'T SHE DO THAT WITH COURT APPROVAL? YES. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AS LONG AS AS LONG AS THE MONEY IS EQUAL AND THAT THERE'S NOT. IT'S I KNOW IT'S NOT AS EASY AS I MAKE IT SOUND. RIGHT. AND, AND WE LIKE, WE LIKE THINGS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT FLAT OUT. NO. BUT THE IF THE MONEY IN HOW I LOOK AT YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET IS THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING THE CITIZENS THAT YOU ARE SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON. AND IF IT SAYS, I HAVE THREE PARALEGALS AND THREE PROSECUTORS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED COURT ACTION TO GO ABOUT HAVING FOUR PROSECUTORS AND ONE PARALEGAL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT IN YOUR BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

LIKE, I, WE NEED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH COURT ACTION CHANGING ANYTHING THAT YOUR BUDGET HAS ASSIGNED FOR ME TO GOVERN OVER WHILE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. SO I THINK THE COURT ACTION ITSELF GIVES US THE TRANSPARENCY. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S DONE TODAY OR IF IT'S DONE ON NOVEMBER 17TH, IT'S STILL BEING DONE IN OPEN COURT. AND AS LONG AS I MEAN, OTHERWISE, WHY WOULD WE HAVE POSITIONS THAT ARE THERE BUT UNFUNDED, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE WONDERED ABOUT FROM THE GET. I THINK LISA STILL WONDERS WHY WE DO THAT. THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT THAT EVERY DAY. WELL, I DO TOO, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE HERE. IT WAS NOT UNTIL IT WAS NOT. THAT'S SOMETHING I DO AS AS A PROJECTION OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING, IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT. YEAH, WE NEED THE PERSONNEL. WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. LET'S PUT THE HEADCOUNT IN, IN OUR TOTAL HEADCOUNT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TRUE THERE THERE'S NOT REALLY HEAD'S THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO WORK TO. OKAY, I GET THAT IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S THIS FINITE BLOCK OF MONEY THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE SAY, HERE'S 70 PIECES OF PEOPLE, 70 PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO IN THERE, AND TWO OF THEM WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR YET. BUT IF SOME OF THE MONEY IS SHIFTED, MAYBE FROM ONE FUND OR ONE LINE ITEM TO ANOTHER, AS LONG AS THE COURT DOES THAT, I'M

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I AGREE, BUT YOUR ACTION IN MARCH WAS NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW.

YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOUR ACTION WAS CLEAR. IT WAS NOT DONE THAT WAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED IT LAID OUT, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY FOR THIS, THAT IF YOU'RE CHANGING IT, YOU GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION OF HOW YOU WANT IT CHANGED. I CAN ACCEPT THAT. THAT'S VALID CRITICISM. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DEFINITIVE IN MARCH. WE DIDN'T. AND BUT FOR THE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT MONEY THAT WE WEREN'T DEFINITIVE ON IN MARCH HASN'T BEEN SPENT BECAUSE BECAUSE KENDA DID NOT FILL THE POSITION SO THAT THE PROBLEM DIDN'T COME UP. SO IT WAS LEFT ALONE. BUT NOW IT'S. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY KENDA IS CONFUSED BECAUSE IN HER MIND, THE POSITIONS WERE FILLED AND AND AND FUNDED IN FY 26. SO WHY WOULDN'T IT JUST ROLL OVER TO 27 LIKE ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY BUDGET DOES? SO THAT'S WHERE THIS HAS BECOME A POINT OF DISCUSSION THAT WE ALL NEED TO CLEAR UP. WELL, THAT'S RIGHT, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL MAKE THAT MISTAKE IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE WILL SAY SPECIFICALLY, HERE'S WHERE IT'S GOING, HERE'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. IF I CAN, IF I CAN COMMENT ON THAT. YES, SHE'S RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME. AND YES, I DID EXPECT IT TO ROLL OVER INTO FY 27. BUT DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER LICHTY THAT'S MY FAULT. I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONSENT IN A MORE IN A BETTER WAY, I. THAT WAS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS.

THAT WAS WHAT THE COURT'S UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT I HAD TALKED TO BOTH CAMI AND LISA ABOUT IT, BUT IT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE MINUTES, AND THAT'S. I'M A LAWYER. I KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. SO I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT WRITING IT. IT WAS NOT CERTAINLY NOT MEANT FOR TRANSPARENCY OR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES. BUT BUT I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT IN TERMS OF OUR POSITIONS. WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR YEARS WHERE WE HAVE UNFUNDED POSITIONS THAT WE USE THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT AS WHEN WE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHERE THE POST BAR CONVERSATION CAME UP ON THURSDAY IS THAT WE HAVE USED THESE UNFUNDED POSITIONS TO, TO FUND POST BAR INTERNS THAT MAKE FAR LESS THAN A PROSECUTOR. AND SO WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SO MANY HOLES IN THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HIRE A PROSECUTOR. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE DOING POST BARS. AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO USE THOSE POSITIONS FLEXIBLY TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE POST BARS THAT WE HOPE VERY MUCH ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO PROSECUTOR POSITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EMPTY, TWO PROSECUTOR POSITIONS EMPTY. SO WE'RE USING THOSE PROSECUTOR POSITIONS. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO USE THE UNFUNDED POSITIONS, BUT WE COULD HAVE AND WE HAVE IN THE PAST. SO I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONCERN ON THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT PERSPECTIVE THAT WE ARE IN ANY WAY UNTRANSPARENT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED, JUST AS YOU ARE, WITH BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC, WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND WITH ALL DIVISIONS. SO WITH THAT, CERTAINLY I AGAIN AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OFFLINE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CALL ME, BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A TEN MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK, IF THAT'S OKAY. AT TEN, 15 MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK, AT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. IT'S 1040. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE OUR SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING. COMMISSIONER STACY, I THINK YOU HAD THE FLOOR, SIR. YEAH, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. WHAT? I SEE, JUDGE NORTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO. NOPE. YOU'RE JUST HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SIR, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT WHILE WE'RE HERE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE.

COMMISSIONER STACY, TAKE IT AWAY. SO I DID GET AN EMAIL ON BREAK THAT WAS WAS I GUESS WE CAN CALL IT TIMELY OR WE CAN CALL IT NOT TIMELY BECAUSE I GOT THE EZRA INFORMATION. OKAY.

START WITH THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO IT'S $4,921.64 A YEAR ANNUAL ANNUAL. AND IT'S THAT IN

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WE CAN HAVE THEM COME IN AND GIVE IT TO YOU. I'M JUST SAYING, I GOT ALL OF THIS REALLY LATE LAST WEEK. WOULD THIS ALLOW US TO DO OUR OWN REDISTRICTING? NO. WOULD NOT. OKAY. NO IT DOESN'T.

IT DOESN'T PAIR DOWN. AND WE THAT'S AND THAT ALSO GETS VERY DANGEROUS. NO, IT CERTAINLY DOES. CERTAINLY DOES. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SAY THAT. I JUST TOLD THE COURT I WANT US TO LOOK AT IT. THE COURT IS LOOKING AT IT. IT'S $4,200. 4949 OKAY, I MIGHT HAVE SAID 40. YES, IT IS 49. I DO APOLOGIZE. SHE SENT ME TWO EMAILS. SO IT'S NOT IN THE 5000 RANGE. IT'S IT'S IN THE 5000 AND UNDER RANGE. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I WILL TRY TO EXPLORE NEXT TIME WE MEET. I'LL TRY TO GET SOMEONE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO GIVE A MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE ASK IS. THEY'RE JUST SHOWING ME SOME REALLY COOL CHARTS AND GRAPHS. THEY HAD MORE INFORMATION. I JUST DIDN'T BRING A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION. I LIKE THAT IDEA. I WOULD WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY. IS THERE A TIMELINE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, DO A REQUEST TO NET COG? AND IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A MONTH TO GET THE RESULTS AND GET THE GET THE DATA WE'RE ASKING FROM, FROM NET COG OR WHOMEVER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE APPLIED TO THIS. BUT $5,000 IS NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME, ALTHOUGH AT LEAST WE HAVE IT BEFORE WE COULD FINISH WITH THIS, BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. SO, SO I'M GOING TO ASK, I'M GOING TO REPLY BACK TO THIS EMAIL AND SAY, NEXT TIME WE MEET, I WANT SOMEONE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO AT LEAST PRESENT IN A MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT WAY THAN WHAT I DID, BECAUSE I PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH BUTCHERED IT. AND WOULD YOU ASK THEM IF THEY WANT THIS TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS WILL HELP US ON A DAILY BASIS? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE, COMMISSIONER STACEY, HOLD ON. OKAY, SO THE ONE THING I WANT US TO LOOK AT, AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE SITTING DOWN BECAUSE THESE THINGS GET EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE WAYS TO DO IT. IS OUR AI BOTS. I AM A BIG, HUGE FAN OF DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE IN THE AI BOT DIRECTION. SO I'M NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY DO IT FULL JUSTICE ON ON WHAT IT CAN AND CANNOT DO. I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS PRESENTATION WAS WITH THE TARRANT COUNTY COUNTY CLERK, AND WHAT SHE SAID WAS THEY, THEIR COMMISSIONERS COURT SAID THEY WOULD HIRE ZERO PEOPLE, NO MORE PEOPLE TO THE HEAD COUNT PERIOD. AND SHE IS IN A GROWING COUNTY. AND SHE WANTED TO KNOW, WHAT DO I DO? SO SHE STARTED ADDING AI BOTS INTO HER FLOW. SHE SAID IT DID A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT HELPED THEM GROW WITH THE COUNTY, AND IT INCREASED THE SATISFACTION IN THE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THE AI BOT STARTED HANDLING A LOT OF THAT INITIAL WORK. SO THE AI BOTS ARE TRAINED, SO THEY DO GO THROUGH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT TRAINS THEM ON PAPERWORK. THERE IS A TON OF FILINGS THAT COME IN INCORRECT. SO WITH ATTORNEYS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN COURT AND THIS THESE SYSTEMS CAN MAKE THEM CORRECT AND CAN CORRECT WHERE IT'S GOING, HOW IT'S GOING IN THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE AI BOTS ARE. FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS 100% GOING TO BE BOUGHT OUT OF A SPECIAL FUND FUND. 57 WHAT IS FUND 57? THAT IS JENNIFER FOGG'S RECORD MANAGEMENT RECORD. ARE YOU AS PART OF THIS? YOU'RE PROPOSING NO GROWTH IN OUR EMPLOYEES. HOLD ON. JUST THAT'S A NO, SIR.

SO THIS BOT IS IS AN INDEXING OF PROPERTY. SO IT'S ON IT'S ON LAND AND VITALS. IT'S FROM JUST APPRAISED. THE INITIAL COST OF THIS IS GOING TO BE $137,000. AND IT HAS A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION FEES. AND THEN IT'LL GO TO ABOUT 383 ANNUALLY. SO THERE'S A 137,000 IS THE ENTIRE CONTRACT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE 6000 YEAR ONE, 38 YEAR TWO AND 39. IN YEAR THREE. IT'S

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OH, WE'RE NOT ON THE FRONT END. WELL, WE WANT WE WANT TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK, BUT WE'RE NOT ON THE FRONT END OF THIS TECHNOLOGY FOR THE COUNTY. WE ARE ON THE FRONT END OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. DO WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS? ARE WE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION? WELL, WE COULD BUY TYLER FOR TWICE AS MUCH. OKAY, WELL, SO SOME OF US HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE YOU GOT TO CHOOSE. IS THAT NOT JUST ABOUT CORRECT? OKAY. I WAS LIKE, I'M PRETTY SURE I SAW THAT QUOTE. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. SO, YOU KNOW, I LIVED THROUGH THE YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE BETA OR VHS KIND OF HAVE TO CHOOSE YOUR. I MEAN, IT KIND OF ARE WE CHOOSING THE RIGHT BOT? ARE WE CHOOSING. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO IT, BUT IT'S JUST ALL. AGAIN, MOST LIKELY UNREALISTIC, UNFOUNDED QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME SORT OF COMFORT LEVEL.

NO, THOSE ARE ALL FAIR QUESTIONS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE GOT TO DIG INTO HERE.

LOOK, AI IS COMMON AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE ALL USE IT DAILY. I DO, I'M SURE YOU GUYS DO. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ESSENTIALLY HIRING A PERSON. RIGHT? AND SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HIRE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS, OR YOU GET A PERSON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND IF YOU GET THIS, YOU DON'T GET A PERSON MAYBE FOR TWO YEARS BECAUSE THEY CAN DO FIVE PEOPLE'S WORK. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, I TO ME, THIS IS ALL TRADE OFFS. WE'VE GOT LIMITED POTS OF MONEY HERE. AND I KNOW THUS FAR IN MY TWO YEARS ON THIS AUGUST BODY, I HAVE HAD NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD ANYBODY YET STAND UP AND SAY, OH, I'VE GOT A COMPUTER PROGRAM AND I WON'T NEED ANYBODY, WHICH WAS THE THE PREDICATE TO YOUR LEAD IN WHICH WAS TARRANT COUNTY SAID, WE'RE NOT HIRING ANYBODY THIS YEAR. I THINK THEY SAID EVER, EVER AND EVER AND EVER HAS BEEN, I THINK TEN YEARS. OKAY. AND WOW. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU THINK, WOW, THIS, THIS REALLY PROBABLY MAKES A LOT OF LONG TIME. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THAT. A SIMILAR STATEMENT FROM US. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T DO IT. I'M JUST SAYING EVERY YEAR, THE TWO YEARS, EVERY YEAR, TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS, BOTH YEARS, SHORT TIME I'VE BEEN ON THIS AND MY EXPERIENCE IN HEATH, THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. AND IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE AI WORLD VERSUS PERSONNEL, THAT'S ONE THING. IF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY IS THIS IS A NEAT NEW ELECTRONIC TOY, AND WE REALLY LIKE IT, AND LOOK WHAT IT CAN DO, THAT'S QUITE A DIFFERENT THING. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT REAL CAREFULLY, JUDGE TO YOUR POINT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, AND AS WE'VE ALL KNOWN, WE'RE ADDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS THIS YEAR IN SUBSCRIPTION FEES. AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOBODY'S SAYING WE'RE LOWERING EXCEPT, I GUESS, TYLER, NOBODY'S SAYING WE'RE LOWERING OUR. I DON'T THINK TYLER'S LOWER. NO, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. BUT HERE'S WHAT I WILL SAY TO THAT. AS, AS JUST AN OFF THE CUFF COMMENTARY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THIS BUDGET, AND THIS IS NOT CRITICISM, IS WE ARE TAKING 225 TO $250,000 OF RECORD MANAGEMENT FEE, AND WE'RE OFFSETTING EMPLOYEE COSTS IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, EITHER THROUGH THE WHOLE GENERAL FUND OR WHAT HAVE YOU DOING IT THIS WAY THROUGH A COMPUTER SOFTWARE THAT THAT FUND CAN SUPPORT, I THINK IS A MUCH MORE SOLID WAY OF OFFSETTING THOSE EMPLOYEE COSTS THAN US JUST GRABBING THAT FUND BALANCE AND BALANCING OUR BUDGET FROM IT. SO, SO I, SO I WOULD SAY DOING THIS WOULD HELP US GROW AND POSITION THE COUNTY INTO THE FUTURE ON SPECIFICALLY ON THE LAND AND VITAL SIDE. I HAVE TWO MORE AI BOTS I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT ON THE LAND AND VITAL SIDE, I THINK THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE

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WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. OKAY, SO IN YEAR ONE, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BOTS. THEY AGGREGATE TO 284 800. SO TELL ME WHAT THE BOTS WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. BUT I WANT LAUREN TO WRITE DOWN THE MONEY. OKAY. AND THEN IT'LL BE 148 ANNUALLY AFTER THAT FOR BOTH. YES. THIS BOTS WOULD BE FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK. WHAT WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ANNUALLY AFTER THE FIRST YEAR? 148 SEE YOU THEN YOU WENT RIGHT BACK AND ASKED ME RIGHT BEFORE I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE BOTS DO, I DID, I'M I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN IN FIVE MINUTES.

WHEN I ASK YOU WHAT THE BOTS DO, THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE DISTRICT CLERK AND COUNTY CLERK.

SO AFTER YEAR ONE, IT'S $74,000 FOR THE DISTRICT CLERK. AFTER YEAR ONE. IT IS $74,000 FOR THE COUNTY CLERK. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS OUR BOTS DO? THEY TAKE E FILE AND CREATE COURT DOCUMENTS.

DO THEY DO IT WELL? EXTREMELY WELL. WHERE HAVE WE VERIFIED AND SEEN THAT THEY DO? TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. THEY TAKE E FILE AND CREATE COURT DOCUMENTS. SO SO BASICALLY IT AGAIN IT TAKES DOCUMENTS AND GETS IT READY FOR COURT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES WITH A 99.7% LEVEL OF ACCURACY. OKAY. BUT. FILING COURT DOCUMENTS, WHAT WHAT TYPE OF DOCUMENTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE CAN GET INTO A LOT MORE OF THAT IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN IN REALLY DOING THIS. IT'S VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. IT IS BEING ENDORSED BY THE THE JUDGES WHO HAVE SEEN THIS ARE OUR JUDGES, OUR JUDGES THAT HAVE SEEN THIS IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. I'M NOT GOING TO USE ANYONE'S NAME IN CASE THEY DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO WITH LAUREN'S QUESTIONS. NO, I'M KIDDING, BUT I KNOW I JUST, I JUST I'M THINKING, OKAY, SO LET'S SAY YOU'RE FILING A, AN ORIGINAL PETITION. OKAY, IN COURT, WHAT IS THE BOT DO TO IT? IT PUTS IT INTO THE PROPER CASE WITHIN CASE MANAGER RATHER THAN A HUMAN BEING DOING IT. SO IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE DOCUMENT. IT DOES NOTHING TO THE DOCUMENT. IT JUST PUTS IT IN THE PROPER CASE FILE. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM A NON-LAWYER STANDPOINT. IT DOES NOT CREATE DOCUMENTS OR EDIT WHAT ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL. DOES IT KICK E FILE BACK? YES. TO THE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM. OR IT KICKS IT BACK TO THE CLERK WHO THEN HAS TO GET TO THE ATTORNEY. IT SAYS THIS THIS DOCUMENT DOES NOT APPEAR DONE CORRECTLY KIND OF THING, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S CREATING THE BIG MESS FOR US IS THE INPUT THAT THAT IS LACKING. AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IS LIKE, IF IT SAYS NOTICE A HEARING, BUT IT'S BUT IT'S TITLED EMOTION. THE BOTS CAN POINT OUT THE MIS FILING AND PUT IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THINGS ARE JUST MISTITLED. BUT THE DOCUMENT IS 100% CORRECT. SO WHAT I MEAN BY MISTITLED AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE A LAWYER. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF IS CORRECT. THE PROGRAM HAS GIVEN IT THE WRONG HEADING.

SO THEN IT JUST CORRECTS THE PROGRAM AND SENDS THE DOCUMENT WITHOUT EDITING THE DOCUMENT.

WELL, BUT SO IF I FILED A DOCUMENT THAT I CALLED MOTION TO DISMISS, BUT IT WAS REALLY AN ORIGINAL PETITION, THE DOCUMENT WOULD SEE THAT THIS BOT WOULD SEE THAT AND ASK,

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KEEP GOING. NO, THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. IT'S A TON OF MONEY. AND THAT MEANS WE'VE NOW GOT TWO PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY CLERK AND DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. ADDITIONAL. SO WHERE WHERE WE'RE ADDING TWO MORE PEOPLE COME FROM. NOT TO PREEMPT YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION.

WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM? THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. GOT IT. SO YOU YOU WENT TO TARRANT COUNTY AND I DIDN'T GO TO TARRANT COUNTY. TARRANT COUNTY CAME TO US IN A IN A BIG TYLER THING AND DID A WHOLE DEMO. OH, THAT'S VERY NICE OF THEM. SO THIS LAND AND VITALS BOT. THE CLERK, TARRANT COUNTY, SAID SHE LOVES AND SHE LOVES BOTH BOTS AND. OKAY, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. SHE LOVES THIS BOT AS WELL. AND WHAT ABOUT THE DISTRICT CLERK? THE DISTRICT CLERK IS IN FAVOR OF GOING IN THIS DIRECTION AS WELL. SO IF WE DO THIS, THIS ALL COMES IN. AND RIGHT NOW I ASSUME SOMEBODY IN THE DISTRICT CLERKS AND THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE IS LOOKING AT THEM AND FILING THEM. AND WE STILL NEED THOSE PEOPLE. WHY? TO TRAIN THE BOT. THE BOT DOESN'T THINK WITHOUT US TRAINING IT. SO IS THIS FOR ONE YEAR. WE NEED THEM AND THEN WE CAN GET RID OF THEM. THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, LAUREN. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. BUT NO, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD HELP US SCALE MORE THAN IT WOULD HELP US. THIS IS HUGE MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IF EVERYBODY'S IN FAVOR OF IT, GREAT. BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO HOW THIS ALL STARTED.

TARRANT COUNTY SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE ANY MORE EMPLOYEES. AND SO WE WE COULD, IF WE DECIDED TO GO THE BOT ROUTE, TELL THE DISTRICT CLERK AND THE COUNTY CLERK WE'RE HIRING YOU BOTS, AND WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN YOU ADDING TO YOUR HEADCOUNT UNTIL THESE BOTS ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL AND MOVING. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A COMMITMENT, JUST LIKE THE JUST LIKE THE TARRANT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT COULD CHANGE THEIR OPINION AND THEY COULD START HIRING PEOPLE AGAIN. SO IT'S JUST, I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TIME. IT IS THAT ALL OF OUR BOTS, THAT'S ALL THE BOTS, ALL THE BOTS. SO WE HAVE THREE, THREE BOTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. AND YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. TARRANT COUNTY IS RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GOING. I MEAN, IT'S THE WAY THE WORLD IS GOING. AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE BOTS TO TALK TO THE STATE'S BOTS, TO TALK TO THE CITY OF BOTS, THAT THE BOTS ARE GOING TO BE ALL COMMUNICATING WITH, WITH EACH OTHER. THE QUESTION FOR US IS, WHEN IS IT THIS BUDGET? IF NOT, WHEN? THAT IS LEGITIMATELY THE POINT OF MY CONVERSATION IS, IS AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THESE COSTS, WHAT THESE CAN DO, AND AT WHAT POINT DO WE IMPLEMENT THEM AND HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THEM INTO THIS COUNTY? YEAH, YEAH. SO I CAN TELL YOU MY MY FIRST INCLINATION IS THE ONE THAT'S FUNDED. LET'S LIMP IN WITH THAT AND, AND SEE IF THAT DOES EVERYTHING THAT WE BELIEVE IT WILL DO. THAT IS A VERY GOOD THOUGHT PROCESS. CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE STILL WE, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO LOOK AT A PERSON FOR THAT, FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE TO DO THE TRAINING. IT WOULDN'T BE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. IT WOULD JUST BE ADDING THE BOT INTO THE MIX AND, AND, AND NO, AND NO ONE, THEY WOULD JUST TRAIN THEM WITH THE WITH THE STAFF THEY ALREADY HAVE. OKAY. CAN WE TAKE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE ARCHIVAL FUND? WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF FUND 52, WHICH IS OUR RECORD MANAGEMENT. NO, BUT CAN WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE ARCHIVAL FUND? WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC LAW RELATED TO THE INDEXING THAT IS NOT ALLOWED VERSUS WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE ARCHIVE FUND FOR. AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT LAND AND VITALS, RIGHT. WE SWITCHED FROM LAND AND WATER BACK TO LAND AND VITALS. OKAY. SO BECAUSE THE ARCHIVAL FUND, I KNOW IT CONTINUES TO GROW AND I KNOW IT'S VERY LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE CAN USE THE BOT. WE CAN FUND THE BOT THROUGH THE ARCHIVAL FUND, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC TYPE OF INDEXING. YEAH, BUT I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I WOULD AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT AND LEGALLY. AND I GET THAT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S MORE PRESSURE ON THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND THAN THERE IS ON THE ARCHIVAL FUND AND THE ARCHIVAL FUND. I KNOW FROM OUR DISCUSSION LAST YEAR IS IS VERY LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. BUT IF IT CAN BE USED FOR THIS, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT WHERE YOU'D TAKE IT FROM. SO, AND AGAIN, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT I PUT THAT IN MY ARCHIVAL PLAN. THE FUNDING OF THE BOT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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UKG IS IS A COMPANY THAT DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF WORKING WITH NET DATA. IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO CHANGE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES WITH HOW WE DO PAYROLL. THE WE COULD PUT UP TO 20 TO 30,000 IN SOME SORT OF HARDWARE FUND IF WE WANTED TO, WHICH WOULD GET US LIKE BIOMETRIC CLOCKS AND DIFFERENT TIME CLOCKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THEY'RE ALL PRICED DIFFERENTLY. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN COMMISSIONER GORDON AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE WERE THINKING, MAYBE WE DON'T BUY ALL THOSE CLOCKS IN YEAR ONE, AND WE JUST DO IT THROUGH PHONES AND DESKTOPS. THERE ARE CONTROLS IN PHONES AND DESKTOPS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT THE COUNTY WHEN THEY'RE USING THEM. AND THIS WOULD BE TIME SCHEDULING, ADVANCED SCHEDULER, AND EVEN SOME HR ASPECTS TO IT. THE, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD WANT US TO LOOK AT DOING AS WELL IS MOVING THE TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL PROCESS, MOVING THAT INTO OUR HR DEPARTMENT AWAY FROM THE COUNTY TREASURER, MOVING THAT PAYROLL CLERK INTO THAT DEPARTMENT, AND THEN USING ALL OF OUR TIMEKEEPING AND PROCESSES THERE. AND AT THAT POINT, THAT REPORT CAN THEN GO TO THE TREASURER AND THE AUDITOR FOR DISBURSEMENT THROUGH NET DATA. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS. TAKE IT. TAKE A STEP BACK TO THE TIME CLOCKS. WOULD THAT BE EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED A TIME CLOCK OR. NO. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD PUT THEM IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T PARED IT DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BEEN TWO COMMISSIONERS WORKING ON THIS TO GO TO THE COURT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. I DID TALK TO COMMISSIONER GALLINA OVER THE WEEKEND TO GET HIS PERMISSION TO DROP THIS ON THE COURT TODAY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN KIND OF WAITING FOR HIM TO SHOW UP. AND I TOLD HIM THAT THAT I WOULD DO IT THE WAY I PRESENTED IT TO YOU GUYS WITH THE SOFTWARE AND THEN THE HARDWARE SEPARATED OUT. SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT BUYING ADDITIONAL TIME CLOCKS LIKE THAT ARE ON THE WALL TO BE BADGED IN, OR EVEN TO GET FINGERPRINTED OR FACE SCANNED.

ALL THOSE ARE AVAILABLE AS WELL, AND WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THEM IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE. OR WE COULD DO EVERYTHING THROUGH DESKTOPS AND PHONES, WHICH WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE SOFTWARE. SO IF WE DO IT THROUGH DESKTOP AND PHONES, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT TO PAYROLL? ONCE WE DO THAT, THERE'S NO MORE FILLING OUT THE TIME CARDS AND TIME CARDS ARE GONE. TIME CARDS ARE GONE. AND IS THAT IMMEDIATE? AND THE SECOND THIS THIS IS INSTITUTED.

YES. AND. DOES TARRANT COUNTY USE THIS? YEAH. NO. OKAY. THAT THAT WAS I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING JUDGE. THAT WAS A QUESTION BECAUSE I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE UKG THE COMPANY, BUT I MEAN, DID THEY GIVE YOU SOME SOME. OH, WE HAVE REFERENCES. YES, YES. OF OTHER.

AND THEY DO GOVERNMENT AND THEY DO HAVE PROCESSES ALREADY INTEGRATED INTO. NET DATA WITH OTHER COUNTY GOVERNMENT ALSO. OKAY. SO IT'S SO IT IS A TWO STEP. IT IS TAKING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF ACCRUING PAYROLL INTO HUMAN RESOURCES. AND THEN IT INCLUDES BUYING THIS SOFTWARE THAT IT CAN THAT WE COULD UTILIZE THESE SORTS OF SERVICES TO RUN IT. ALL THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR PAYROLL CAN BE PUT INTO THIS SOFTWARE,

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IT'S VERY STREAMLINED AND IT DOES. IT HELPS FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO RECALL, WAS IT CHRONOS THAT YOU. IT WAS CHRONOS. THIS. YES. FORMERLY CHRONOS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO HOW IS IT DONE TODAY AND HOW WOULD THIS CHANGE IT? WELL, HOW IT'S DONE TODAY IS THROUGH TIME CARDS AND THROUGH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. OKAY, SO SOMEBODY WORKING IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FILLS OUT A TIME, CORRECT? YES. AND THEY SEND IT TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE? NO. THEY WOULD SEND IT TO JENNIFER. AND JENNIFER CHECKS IT AND SHE SENDS IT TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WRITES THE PAYCHECK PRETTY CLOSE. AND THEN. AND THEN THE AUDITOR AUDITS IT.

OKAY. AND HOW WOULD THIS CHANGE IT? THERE WOULD BE NO PAPERWORK. OKAY. BUT SOMEBODY. BUT IT WOULD PLUG IT INTO THEIR PHONE. THEY SAY I WORK NOW AND THEN THE MANAGER HAS TO APPROVE IT TO APPROVE THE PAYROLL THE SAME WAY THEY DO NOW WITH THE TIMESHEET. AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A PAPER TIMESHEET, THEY HAVE A REPORT, HEY, HERE'S WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEES WORKED. IT DOES HAVE SCHEDULING CAPABILITIES WHERE YOU CAN SCHEDULE EMPLOYEES. THEY CAN THEY CAN REQUEST VACATION AND THAT CAN GET EMAILED TO, TO WHATEVER MANAGER THAT DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO. EACH DEPARTMENT CAN SET UP THEIR OWN INTERNAL CONTROLS HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE. AND THEN WHEN IT'S DONE AND THE PAYROLL IS APPROVED, IT GOES TO A CLERK IN HR. AND THEN THAT CLERK MAKES SURE THAT THE PAYROLL MEETS ALL THE RULES, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO DO, AND THEN IT PRODUCES A REPORT THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED INTO NET DATA AND PAID. SO STEP ONE, YOU GO TOO FAST FOR ME. I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS ONE. SLOW DOWN. STEP ONE IS INSTEAD OF FILLING OUT A PAPER TIME CARD, WHICH I ASSUME IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER AND GIVING IT TO JENNIFER, I NOW GO ON MY PHONE OR COMPUTER. YEAH. AND I FILL OUT THE SAME INFORMATION. AND INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO JENNIFER IN PAPER, IT GOES TO JENNIFER TO CHECK ELECTRONICALLY. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN INSTEAD OF GOING TO FROM JENNIFER TO THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT IN PAPER, JENNIFER SENDS IT TO THE HR DEPARTMENT ELECTRONICALLY, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THINGS. YES, BUT IT'S BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME THINGS. BUT YES, IN THEORY IT'S THE SAME THING. BUT I THINK THEY HAVE TO WALK THEM THAT THEY DON'T DO THEY EMAIL THEM OVER AFTER JENNIFER ELECTRONICALLY. I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO WALK. NEW SYSTEM WOULD BE ELECTRONIC, BUT CURRENTLY THEY WALK IT OVER THE ACTUAL FILLING OUT OF TIME CARDS, CHECKING NUMBERS AND ALL THAT IS STILL THE SAME FUNCTION. IT'S JUST DONE ELECTRONICALLY, YES, BUT IT'S DONE. IT'S DONE SIMPLER. BUT YES, I'M SAYING LIKE FROM THE FUNCTIONALITY, YES, ALL OF THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY IS STILL BEING DONE AS FAR AS THE OVERSIGHT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE VACATION HAS BEEN APPROVED, THAT THE ACCRUALS ARE CORRECT.

ALL THAT STUFF IS STILL BEING DONE THROUGH THIS SOFTWARE. AND I ASSUME WHEN SOMEONE HAS REQUESTS A VACATION, THEY HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED TODAY. YES. RIGHT. I MEAN, SOMEBODY MANAGER, IF SOMEONE IN JENNIFER'S OFFICE SAYS, I WANT TO GO ON VACATION, THEY COME TO HER AND SHE SAYS, YES OR NO, JUST LIKE WE WOULD DO. THEN ONLY AGAIN, WE JUST SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SHIFTING THINGS. THE PROPOSAL, YOU'D BE SHIFTING THINGS AROUND, YOU'D BE DOING THE SAME WORK FUNCTIONS, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BE DONE AT YOUR COMPUTER INSTEAD OF WITH WRITING THEM ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SENDING THEM TO SOMEBODY WHO STORES THEM SOMEWHERE. YEP. FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. INTERESTING. SO AGAIN, $69,000 A YEAR, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE SAVING? WE'RE SAVING ZERO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE IN HR TO DO THIS JOB. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. OH, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT YOU SAID A WHILE AGO THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEONE FROM THE THAT'S CURRENTLY DOING IT AT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, NOT IT WOULD BE THAT SAME PERSON. BUT THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET TO BE A PAYROLL CLERK. THAT PERSON CAN JUST BE SHIFTED FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO HR. SO LET ME ASK THREE QUESTIONS. FIRST ONE IS OF CAMI. YOU WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON AND YOU DIDN'T THROW ANYTHING AT COMMISSIONER STACIE WHEN HE SUGGESTED THAT PAYROLL GOES TO HR. I DID NOT THROW ANYTHING AT HIM. NO. OKAY. SO I WOULDN'T BE.

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BECAUSE NOW EVERYTHING WOULD BE AN ELECTRONIC FILE. I KNOW WHEN I IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IS THIS CLOUD STORAGE OR. RIGHT. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I TALKED TO BRIAN CRENSHAW ABOUT ALL THE.

THE ROAD BOND FILES COMING OVER FROM ITS. WHAT KIND OF STORAGE I WOULD NEED FOR THAT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THESE RECORDS. THEY ARE GOVERNMENT RECORDS. WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THEM 100%. YEAH. AND I WILL GET YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT. YEAH. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO BE CURIOUS WHETHER THE SOFTWARE TRACKS WHAT IS AVAILABLE ON VACATION. YES.

PERSONAL DAY I YES IT DOES. YEAH. IT TRACKS ALL OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO MY THIRD QUESTION IS TO TREASURER PETE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S STATUTORILY REQUIRES THAT THE TREASURER DO PAYROLL. THANK YOU JUDGE. I DO RECALL SOME AG OPINIONS IN THE PAST THAT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT DISBURSEMENT IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS. NEEDS TO BE A COUNTY OFFICER. THE COUNTY HUMAN RESOURCES IS NOT A COUNTY OFFICER KIND OF THING. SO I MET WITH KG ABOUT A MONTH AGO. BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM. IF THIS IS WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO DO. THE BIG DISCONNECT THAT I'VE SEEN IS FROM MY DEPARTMENT, AND ERICA CAN CORRECT ME, IS WHAT'S CRITICAL FOR MY DEPARTMENT. WHEN WE PROCESS PAYROLL, IS THE ACTUAL HOURS, WORKED HOURS, HOLIDAY HOURS, SICK HOURS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, VACATION COMP TIME. IT'S NEVER BEEN CRITICAL FOR MY PAYROLL PROCESSING FOR THE COUNTY TREASURER'S PAYROLL PROCESSING TO KNOW WHEN EMPLOYEE A CLOCKED IN AND EMPLOYEE A CLOCKED OUT. THAT'S A MANAGEMENT ISSUE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. SOME DEPARTMENTS, LIKE THE JAIL, HAVE A SCHEDULING SYSTEM. OTHER DEPARTMENTS KEEP TRACK INTERNALLY ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN SO AND SO WENT TO BREAK OR WHAT HAVE YOU. ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE NOT CRITICAL TO PROCESSING PAYROLL. WHAT'S CRITICAL FOR US IS KNOWING HOW MUCH VACATION, HOW MUCH HOLIDAY, HOW MUCH OVERTIME, HOW MANY REGULAR HOURS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN AGGREGATE. SO THE TIMEKEEPING PART OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN A CRITICAL NEED. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO GO THAT ROUTE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE COURT'S DECISION AND THE COUNTY'S DECISION. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD I WOULD CAUTION ANYTHING SAYING THAT IT INTEGRATES, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY WITH NET DATA. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CRITICAL TASK IN MY DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY TO PROCESS PAYROLL, $1.2 MILLION GOING OUT THE DOOR EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT IS A CRITICAL TASK. AND IF WE DO A TRANSITION LIKE THIS, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE IT DELIBERATE AND CAUTIONARY AND ENSURE THAT WE WE TEST THIS AND PROVE THIS IN BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES. BUT AGAIN, THE TIME KEEPING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MANAGEMENT THING. IF A IF A DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR STAFF COMING IN AT SEVEN AND LEAVING AT FOUR, I. THAT'S THAT'S NOT CRITICAL TO PAYROLL. WHAT'S CRITICAL IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOURS WORKED. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER STACEY, COMMISSIONER GALLINA AND THE COURT ON THIS. BUT I DO THINK THIS WOULD BE A DEFINITE HAVE TO PLAN THIS OUT, BECAUSE WHEN WE TURN THE SWITCH ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK BECAUSE WE CAN'T NOT PAY PEOPLE TIMELY. THAT IS A CRITICAL TASK FOR THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY COMPENSATING EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR INTELLECTUAL LABOR OR THEIR PHYSICAL LABOR ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TREASURER? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DID TALK WITH UKGRUGK. I'M SORRY. YES. AND ON THE SURFACE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT. HE WAS THE UKG REP CAME BY ABOUT A MONTH AGO. HE HAD MADE A RUN THROUGH OUR AREA OF TEXAS AND

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YEAH. SO THIS, I BELIEVE, IS A POLICY AND BUDGET TYPE DECISION MADE. TREASURER, BEFORE YOU LEAVE MR. PEAKE. SO BUT THIS WOULD I MEAN THIS WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON YOUR DEPARTMENT. IT COULD YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THE CRITICAL TASKS THAT MY DEPARTMENT DOES IS PROCESSING THE PAYROLL EVERY TWO WEEKS, 26 TIMES A YEAR, $1.2 MILLION. THAT'S A HUGE PART OF THE BUDGET. IT'S A HUGE PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY OFFICE. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY IN MY DEPARTMENT. AND AGAIN, IT'S FOR DECADES, YOU KNOW, WAY BEFORE MY TENURE, THE PROCESSING, PAYROLL AND DISBURSING OF FUNDS HAS BEEN A TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY. I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF COUNTIES IN TEXAS IS STILL WITH THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, COUNTIES DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES THAT DO A LOT OF THIS IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT WE IF WE DO MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE LIKE THIS, THAT IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTIONALITY IS CHECKED BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, NET DATA IS A VERY ANTIQUATED BEAST. IT IS A VERY OF ALL THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE IN THE COUNTY, IT'S PROBABLY IT'S SOURCE. IT'S PROBABLY THE OLDEST. I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE 80S. IT IS DIFFICULT TO USE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET BOOKS. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR DRAFT BUDGET. THOSE ARE NET DATA PRINTOUTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. AND IT IS IT WORKS. IT IS TRACEABLE. IT'S TRACKABLE, IT'S FUNCTIONAL. THE TIME SHEETS WORK, THE EFFICIENCIES GAINED MAY BE MANY, BUT THEY MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW. AND AGAIN, AS AS COMMISSIONER LICHTY, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING AND USING THE COUNTY CLERK'S DEPARTMENT AS AN EXAMPLE, A TIME SHEET THAT'S FILLED OUT BY AN EMPLOYEE IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE GOES TO THE COUNTY CLERK FOR APPROVAL AND COMES TO MY DEPARTMENT THAT FOR FOR PAYROLL PROCESSING, YOU DEFINITELY CAN DO THAT ELECTRONICALLY. BUT THEN AGAIN, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES WITH SOMEONE FILLING OUT A TIME SHEET INCORRECTLY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SWITCH THAT MODEL TO FIGURING OUT HOW TO CORRECT A DIGITALLY TRANSMITTED TIME TIME SHEET. ADDITIONALLY, RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE A BIG CULTURE CHANGE, NOT JUST FOR MY DEPARTMENT, BUT FOR THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THE TIME SHEETS AGAIN LIST THE TOTAL HOURS WORKED. AND IF WE START SAYING WE'RE CLOCKING IN AND YOUR SHIFT STARTS AT EIGHT, YOU DON'T CLOCK INTO 807. WELL, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK, THAT MIGHT BE AN 8:00 START TIME. BUT IF IT'S 808, IT ROUNDS TO 815. SO NOW YOU'VE JUST LOST A QUARTER HOUR AND WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THAT? SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T MY DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. THAT'S ALL DOWN AT THE AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL. AND IF IT'S EIGHT HOURS, IT'S EIGHT HOURS. BUT IF IT WAS REALLY EIGHT HOURS AND EIGHT MINUTES, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THAT? AND THOSE THINGS CAN BE CAN BE FIGURED OUT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT FLIPPING A SWITCH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD CAUTIONARY STATEMENT. AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THIS. WOULD IT BE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR? BUT AND I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER ON THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT'S WORKING. CORRECT. I IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO WOULD STILL BE DONE, STILL HAVE TO BE DONE BY SOMEBODY, EXCEPT YOU DO IT ON A COMPUTER INSTEAD OF PAPER. IT ELIMINATES PAPER FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING. SAVES TREES. THAT'S GOOD FOR OPEN SPACES. THAT MEANS I LIKE IT, BUT BUT WE'RE ADDING IT WOULD REQUIRE SHIFTING PEOPLE, CLEARLY, BECAUSE I GOT A MEMO FROM YOU THIS MORNING LAYING OUT WHAT THE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT ARE. AND

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IS IT GOING TO INCREASE COSTS, DECREASE COSTS, AND IS IT WORTH THE EXTRA $69,000 A YEAR? AND IS IT THAT MUCH BETTER? OTHER THAN GETTING RID OF PAPER? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK OF BECAUSE IT WOULD BE. I MEAN, IT'S APPARENT JUST FROM SAYING THAT THIS WOULD TRANSFER TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL PROCESSING FROM THE TREASURER TO HR. THAT STATEMENT ALONE SAYS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG CHANGES IN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND BIG CHANGES IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO, I MEAN, YOUR YOUR CAUTION OF YOU BETTER DO THIS RIGHT AND YOU BETTER PLAN IT OUT AS WELL. TAKEN. I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY CARE A GREAT DEAL OTHER THAN. I REALLY SEE ALL THESE THINGS INCREASING COSTS. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND COMMISSIONER, THE PAPER, IT IS ANTIQUATED, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE PRINT ABOUT 400 TIME SHEETS EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S TEN DAYS. THAT'S ABOUT 40 SHEETS OF PAPER PER DAY. SAVING 40 SHEETS OF PAPER PER DAY, PENNIES. AND WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT WORKS.

WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT'S GOT HISTORY. WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT IS REPRODUCIBLE. WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT IS WE'VE GOT CONFIDENCE IN. AND AGAIN, $1.2 MILLION RESPONSIBILITY EVERY TWO WEEKS IN MY DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE WE GET THIS RIGHT. SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE COURT'S DECISION ON, ON HOW TO DO THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD CORRECTLY AND DELIBERATELY. SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, JUDGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? NO. NOW, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER STACEY? I HAVE ONE SMALL THING. AND THEN. AND THEN I WILL SHUT UP. AND THEN I WOULD JUST HAVE ONE MORE PERSONNEL THING TO TALK ABOUT LATER. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS I WOULD ASK MELISSA AND LISA TO GO BACK TO THE JAIL COMMAND STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT MAPPING IS MAPPING CORRECT.

WITH THAT, LIEUTENANT, I JUST HAVE REASONS TO BELIEVE IT'S NOT, AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. BUT IF Y'ALL COULD JUST DO THAT FOR ME, WHEN WE GET TO THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THAT'D BE AMAZING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE REINS FOR A MINUTE? YOURS. AS MUCH TIME AS I GOT YOURS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN AN HOUR. IT'S ABOUT A TIME THAT I GOT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS, JUDGE? DO YOU WANT TO START OVER TOMORROW OR DO YOU WANT TO START HERE NOW? WELL, IT IT'S UP TO YOU. BUT WE DID AGREE THAT AT 1230 WE'VE GOT A HARD STOP. SO YEAH, FOR CONTINUITY'S SAKE I'LL LET YOU. I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU PUT THAT ON. YEAH. THAT WAS JUST A LEFTOVER EXECUTIVE SESSION. YEAH. SO WE GOT PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR A MEETING. OKAY.

WELL LET'S TRY. DO YOU WANT TO. I MEAN, YOU ASKED HIM FIRST. OKAY. JUST GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO. OKAY. WELL, THE THING I WAS WANTING, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT PROBABLY TODAY, IF WE COULD JUST FOCUS ON SOME OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS. OKAY. SO I'M, I'M THINKING WHILE WHILE COMMISSIONER LICHTY IS GETTING READY THAT FRIDAY, WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. I THINK THIS COMING FRIDAY. I THINK COMMISSIONER GALLINA IS BACK AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I CAN ASK HIM. OH, I JUST ASSUMED SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT HE WAS BACK. OKAY, THEN I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE MY REASON FOR WANTING TO HAVE THE MEETING FRIDAY WAS TO GET HIM BACK IN THE SADDLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE, AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE'S THINGS WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT. SO FORGIVE ME. CONTINUE. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW PASSIONATE I AM ABOUT THIS, BUT I HOPE THAT'S NOT A PREDICATE TO BEING ABLE TO SPEAK. OKAY, SO I WENT THROUGH THE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS. I THINK THEY START ON. I THINK THESE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS. START ON PAGE 99. AND THERE'S A LOT OF HERE'S WHAT REQUESTED AND HERE'S OUR YES OR HERE'S OUR NO. OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO PAGE 101 FIRST. THE. VOICEMAIL HOSTS. THIS IS ABOUT MIDDLE OF THE PAGE VOICEMAIL HOSTS CURRENT MODEL EXTENDED SUPPORT. END OF LIFE 20 2965000 UNIT. WE NEED THREE OF THEM, APPARENTLY

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WE HAVE ABOUT 80, 85 OF THEM. I THINK THAT ALL LIVE ON. SO YOU COULD THINK LIKE YOUR VERSION OF WINDOWS INSTEAD OF IT RUNNING ON YOUR COMPUTER. IT'S RUNNING AS A PIECE OF SOFTWARE, AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM ALL RUNNING ON THREE PHYSICAL, BIG, BIG SERVERS. AND THAT WAY IF ONE OF THEM DIES, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, MIGRATE UP AND LOAD BALANCE AND STUFF.

OKAY, SO THESE ARE JUST COMPUTER SERVERS. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU SAY IF WE GOT 80 OF THEM, YOU SAY WE NEED THREE REPLACED. WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF INDIVIDUAL INSTANCES OF SERVERS RUNNING ON THERE, BUT THERE'S ONLY THREE PHYSICAL SERVERS. OKAY. AND THERE'S THREE PHYSICAL SERVERS. AND THEN THE OTHER PART YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO, I'M SURE IS THE SANDS. AND THAT ALL COMES AS ONE KIND OF ONE BLOCK. SO THE SERVERS ARE LIKE THE CPU AND THE RAM AND THE SANDS. THERE'S TWO OF THOSE UNDERNEATH THERE AND THAT IS THE HARD DRIVES. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DATA IS ACTUALLY STORED. AND THE TOP THREE ARE WHERE THE DATA IS LIKE PROCESSED WHEN IT'S LIVE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MAKING SENSE. SO THEN WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT STUFF FAIRLY SOON AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY WHOLE POINT IS THERE. BUT IS IT 2 OR 3 YEAR? 303 HOSTS THAT THAT HAVE THE THE RAM AND THE CPU, LIKE THE TOP PART THAT'S RUNNING THE LIVE LIKE THE STUFF WHEN IT'S LIVE AND THEN THE PART WHERE IT'S SAVED BELOW IT IS THE SANDS AND THAT'S STORAGE AREA NETWORK. IT'S BIG BLOCKS OF HARD DRIVES. AND WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE FOR REDUNDANCY AGAIN. SO IF ONE OF THEM FAILS, IT CAN FLIP OVER TO THE OTHER ONE. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 195 TWO PLACES. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE FIRST 195. SO EXCUSE ME. SO. YEAH, THE I'M LOOKING AT THE SECOND 195. SO IT SAYS END OF LIFE 2029. IS THAT WHAT EOL MEANS? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO DO YOU THINK WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT THIS YEAR? I THINK WE CAN WAIT UNTIL I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN 28 AT THE LATEST TO NOT GET RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT DATE. OKAY. THE MAIN REASON I PUT THESE ON HERE WAS LIKE A FORECASTING THING I WANTED BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LARGE, AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE TO START PAYING EVERY YEAR JUST TO KEEP THEM, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENDED WARRANTIES GOING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TON. I BELIEVE THE SAN ON THE FIRST DRAFT BUDGET, THAT 15,000 THAT IS JUST TO DO ONE MORE YEAR OF EXTENDED WARRANTY. OKAY, OKAY.

AND THEN SO THE ITEM UNDERNEATH THAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A REPLACEMENT IS, BUT IT SAYS IT'S OUT OF WARRANTY. OKAY, THAT THAT IS ANOTHER BIG BLOCK OF HARD DRIVES THAT WE HAVE VARIOUS OTHER FILES ON THERE, NOT LIVE SERVERS. SO SAN IS A FASTER HARD DRIVE STORAGE. IT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. AND THAT'S WHERE LIVE SERVER DATA IS. AND THE NA STANDS FOR NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE. THE ACRONYMS DON'T REALLY TELL YOU MUCH, BUT BASICALLY THE NA IS JUST WAY SLOWER, CHEAPER STORAGE WHERE YOU CAN PUT STUFF THAT'S NOT ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKUPS ON THEM AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE OUT OF WARRANTY, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THEY BREAK, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO REPLACE THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THING I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO. BUT I DO THINK IF Y'ALL WANT TO PUSH IT, IT'S PROBABLY FINE. YEAH. I MEAN, OUT OF WARRANTY I DON'T THAT DOESN'T TO ME DOESN'T MEAN A LOT BECAUSE A COMPUTER KEEPS RUNNING UNTIL IT DOESN'T KIND OF IT'S YEAH. TO ME IT'S A SIGN.

YOU JUST KEEP PUTTING STUFF INTO IT. I MISSED THAT LAST STORAGE. THIS IS COMPUTER STORAGE SPACE. THIS ONE. YEAH. THIS ONE HAS DFS VERSIONS. SO WE HAVE A NETWORKED Z DRIVE THAT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS USE. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT'S JUST A NETWORK SPACE AND THAT ALL THE ACTIVE VERSION IS ON THE SAN. AND THEN WE HAVE BACKUP VERSIONS THAT LIVE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S SLOWER AND CHEAPER. WE ALSO BACKUP OFFICE 365 TO

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THAT IS THE REAL THING. OKAY, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? CAN I NOT RIGHT NOW? OKAY, WELL, I'LL HOP BACK UP IF YOU NEED ME. OKAY. THANKS, BRIAN. OKAY. NEXT. I'M ON. LET ME LOOK AT THIS. PAGE 110 TREASURER'S REQUEST FOR NEW WORKSTATIONS. THERE'S THERE WERE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE NEW WORKSTATIONS REQUESTED. ONE WAS FOR A NEW EMPLOYEE, WHICH I. I'M NOT SURE WE WILL NEED OR NOT AT THIS POINT, BUT THE FIRST FOUR. ARE YOU OKAY NOT GETTING NEW WORKSTATIONS? I MEAN $5,000 APIECE FOR NEW WORKSTATIONS, COMMISSIONER.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, MY DEPARTMENT IS CHEAP. OUR CUBICLES DON'T MATCH. THERE ARE OVER 20 YEARS OLD. THEY WERE HAND-ME-DOWNS. SAME AS MY PERSONAL OFFICE EQUIPMENT. WE ENDEAVOR TO KEEP THINGS CHEAP. WE CAN WORK WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. THE MAIN REASON WE PUT THAT IN IS IN ANTICIPATION OF A NEW PAYROLL ASSISTANT, RIGHT? WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE NEEDED OR POSSIBLY WILL NEED NEW FURNITURE FOR THAT EMPLOYEE. AND THAT WAS ONE REASON WE DECIDED TO JUST PUT IT IN FOR THE REST. MY DEPARTMENT IS ALMOST DEFINITELY GOT THE OLDEST OFFICE FURNITURE OF ANY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY. BY FAR. THERE'S BEEN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE HAD NEW NEW FURNITURE AND THEN NEW NEW FURNITURE AND NEW NEW FURNITURE. AND I'M STILL USING THE HAND-ME-DOWN THAT I SCROUNGED 15 YEARS AGO. SO NO, WE CAN FUNCTION WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BEING CAREFUL WITH MONEY. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'LL BET YOU MY DESKS, WHICH ARE BOTH BORROWED AND MY CHAIR ARE AT LEAST AS OLD AS ANYTHING IN YOUR OFFICE. BUT WAS YOURS ORIGINALLY? COUNTY. YOU WANT TO COUNTY. NO, THEY'RE NOT EVEN COUNTY THERE. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. SO OF THE OF THE COUNTY EQUIPMENT THAT'S SOURCED IS COUNTY. OURS IS VERY OLD BUT I, I ENJOY OLD OLD FURNITURE AS WELL. YEAH. ME TOO.

WE DEFINITELY CAN MAKE DO WITH THAT. THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE REQUESTED FROM MY DEPARTMENTS OVER THE YEARS IS COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, BASED ON WHAT THE IT DIRECTOR RECOMMENDS, AND CHAIRS.

WE SCROUNGE EVERYTHING ELSE. I APPRECIATE THAT FRUGALITY. CLEAR THAT FURNITURE THAT HIS CLERKS ARE SITTING IN WAS PURCHASED BY ME AS COUNTY CLERK WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS, AND PROBABLY 2008. WELL DONE. YEAH. WELL DONE. SO IT IT'S OLD. WELL STILL FUNCTIONS. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE MY FAVORITE PERSON, LAUREN. HE'S POLITE. ANYWAY, WHAT HE SAYS. OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT ON 112 AND 113 THE THE EXTRA CAPITAL WE'LL NEED IF WE HIRE THAT TECHNICIAN. IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED IT. OBVIOUSLY. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I'M NOW ON 116. THERE WERE THIS IS FOR CONSTABLE FRASER. ARE THESE ITEMS, THESE CAR RADIOS, CAR CAMERA SYSTEM, HAND RADIO THAT WERE ALL TURNED DOWN? I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO YESTERDAY. BUT WERE THOSE THE ITEMS THAT WERE NECESSARY FOR HIS NEW DEPUTY? IF HE GOT A NEW.

IF HE GETS A NEW DEPUTY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. PULLING A CAR FROM SURPLUS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YES. AND THEN WOULD HAVE TO. OUTFIT HAS. AND SO I, I MEAN I AGAIN, NOTHING'S FINAL.

BUT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, I THOUGHT THERE WAS KIND OF A CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM EACH A DEPUTY. SO THESE ITEMS I GUESS THEN WOULD NEED TO GO BACK IN. WELL, WE NEED TO

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SO IT WILL LEAD TO A A LONGER CONVERSATION. AND DOES THE PERSON WE HIRED LAST YEAR, I GUESS THEY DO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED. THEY DO OKAY. THEY DO. YEAH. WELL, I JUST WANT TO GET THE ANSWER. I'M NOT AND I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO THIS. I SPENT MOST OF THE WEEKEND SUNDAY ANYWAY, READING ALL THIS AND DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER PEOPLE ON SUNDAY. I PUT A LITTLE NOTE HERE. OKAY. WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON NOW, COMMISSIONER? I AM NOW ON PAGE. 121. THIS IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR ERICA BRIDGES. IT SAYS A RAM 1500 PICKUP. AND THE ANSWER $65,000. THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT THE NOTE SAYS FLEET COMMITTEE AGREES THIS VEHICLE IS NEEDED. SO IF IT'S NEEDED, THEN WHY DO WE GO TO A NO. MAN, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO GO BACK, I DON'T KNOW. BUT KNOWING MYSELF AS I DO, I PROBABLY SAID THE VEHICLE WE HAVE IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR. OKAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ACTUAL ANSWER OR NOT, BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR DECISION MAY HAVE BEEN MADE 60 DAYS AGO. MELISSA, DO YOU KNOW, DID I OPINE ANY ON? MY QUESTION IS, HE WAS JUST LOOKING FOR 65 GRAND AND SAID NO. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN SEE ME DOING THAT AS WELL. AT SOME POINT I SAY YES, AND THEN I'M LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THIS RATE'S NOT LOW ENOUGH. GO BACK AND MY YES BECOMES A NO. AND THEN, ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? AND WELL, IF WE AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT, I DON'T WANT TO BUY IT, I BUT WE'VE KIND OF WE'VE KIND OF GIVEN A LOT OF DEFERENCE TO THE OPINION OF THE FLEET COMMITTEE. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHY THIS KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE. SO WAS THIS ONE THAT WHEN ERICA PRESENTED IT, DIDN'T SHE SAY THAT THE ONE THAT SHE CURRENTLY HAS IS NOT ABLE TO GO DOWN SOME OF THE ROADS THAT THAT SHE TRAVELS ON BECAUSE IT HAS THE ABILITY TO GET STUCK, BREAK DOWN. AND I JUST REMEMBER HER SAYING IT WAS NOT YEAH, IT WASN'T SAFE. MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT BUT I DON'T SO. I THINK I REALLY DON'T. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I HEARD THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS IN COMPLETE REFERENCE TO. SO IT VERY WELL COULD BE. I'M GOING TO PUT THAT ON MY NOTE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING THEM TO COME BACK IN THE NEXT TIME WE MEET TO, TO DISCUSS THE TRUCK. OKAY. AND WE MAY GET AN UPDATED. I KNOW THE FLEET COMMITTEE HAD SAID WHEN WE LOOKED BACK OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH ARE FUNDED WITH SB 22, THERE WAS CONSTABLE CHENEY'S. THAT WAS IMPORTANT. THERE WAS THE FIRE MARSHAL'S.

THAT WAS IMPORTANT. AND THEN SEVERAL AFTER THAT KIND OF WERE OF LESS IMPORTANCE WOULD WOULD ADMIT THAT WE NEED IF THE BUDGET SUPPORTS IT. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE ORDER, THE ORDER OF WHICH. SO THEN WE DID FUND RAISE OUT OF FUND 51, AND THE FIRE MARSHAL OUGHT TO FUND 30. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE ONE FOR IF I IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, THE ONE FOR TREY, THAT ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED. YES. WE'RE THAT ONE'S COMING OUT OF FUND 5151. I SEE THAT ON HERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THIS THE TRUCK THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL IS GOING TO USE? NO, IT IS NOT. I

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ALL RIGHT. AND DOES SHE SHE CURRENTLY HAS A VEHICLE, RIGHT. COUNTY VEHICLE. YEAH. SHE SHE HAS AN OLD ROAD AND BRIDGE TRUCK. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO GET THE FLEET COMMITTEE'S INPUT ON THAT. WHEN WHEN THAT'S AVAILABLE. BECAUSE IF WE NEED IT, THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO IT. OKAY. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE I'LL TALK TO HER ABOUT. OR YOU CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT IT IF YOU WANT. BUT IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, I'M ON PAGE 124. NOW, I KNOW THAT SHE CAME AND MADE A PITCH TO US FOR THIS NEW DUMP TRUCK. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, $220,000. I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE THREE PIECES OF SOFTWARE. AND SO IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT EVERY YEAR. YOU JUST PAY FOR IT UP FRONT. YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT, BUT WE WE BOUGHT A DUMP TRUCK. WAS IT LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE? TWO YEARS AGO. TWO YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT A VERY EXPENSIVE DUMP TRUCK. AND HERE IT IS AGAIN. I CAN TELL YOU. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I DISALLOWED THIS. AND AGAIN, THIS COMES OUT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND. SO DOESN'T TRULY HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT OTHER THAN ISOLATED TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE. WE'RE LOOKING AT. SCHEDULING WORK IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THROUGH ROAD AND BRIDGE. OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS THAT MAY NOT REQUIRE THAT WE NEED A DUMP TRUCK. OKAY. IS THAT GOING TO BE MORE CONTRACT SERVICES OR WHAT? YES, SIR. YEAH. CONTRACTING. OKAY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET HER INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A BIG NUMBER. AND AS LONG AS WE'RE FIXING ROADS, I'M HAPPY. THAT'S THAT IS THE PLAN. OKAY. THEN I GO TO PAGE 129. THE SECOND TO THE LAST ITEM ON THAT PAGE OR NEXT TO LAST, I GUESS, HEARING AID ASSISTANCE FOR COURTROOM CREATES ADA COMPLIANCE. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS NEEDED FOR ADA COMPLIANCE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WE ARE ADA COMPLIANT, AS WE SAY. OKAY, SO GREAT. IF WE ARE GREAT. I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD SAY CREATES ADA COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE REP WOULD TELL YOU TO SAY TO, TO BUY THE. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU WOULD, BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE IN ONE COURTROOM THEN. CORRECT. TECHNICALLY, YOU CAN MOVE IT. IT CAN BE MOVED ONE COURTROOM.

YEAH. BUT TO, TO THE NEXT COURTROOM, TWO OF THEM MEET EVERY. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WITH THE OCA AND IT SAID THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO. THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ABOVE AND BEYOND TO PURCHASE DEVICES SUCH AS THAT. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST GETTING IT, BUT WE'RE ALREADY ADA COMPLIANT. OKAY. WELL THEN I DON'T I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT. I JUST IT WAS JUST A QUESTION. I'M FINE WITH THAT SOLUTION. PERFECTLY FINE TO THAT SOLUTION. AND THEN I THINK REGARDING CAPITAL ITEMS, I THINK THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION. AND THAT'S ON PAGE 134. AND THAT'S REPLACE THE CHILLER AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. $400,000, A LOT OF MONEY. WE ASKED THIS QUESTION. I ASKED THIS QUESTION EARLIER, AND I KIND OF GOT, WELL, WE PROBABLY NEED IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BEFORE WE SAY NO ON IT. BECAUSE IF. IF WE IF OUR CHILLER GOES OUT AND WE DON'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING AND IT'S SHOT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE REAL HAPPY THAT WE GOT A BOT. LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A BOT. YEAH, WELL, LUCKILY THE MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR WORKS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE HE COMES IN HERE AND TALKS ABOUT THIS NEXT TIME. NO, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT. YEAH. LET'S, LET'S BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING AGAIN THAT HE ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE HE THINKS IT'S NECESSARY AND IT'S A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY, $400,000. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY REPAIRING IT. YEAH.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S FUNCTIONING. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT IT IS OLD. IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UP ON THE ON THE ROOFTOP. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN UP TO THE UP TO THE FOURTH FLOOR WHILE, WHILE IT'S RUNNING.

NO, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE OR NOT. WELL YOU WOULD REMEMBER BECAUSE IT IS I THE FIRST TIME I DID, I ACTUALLY VIDEOTAPED IT AND SENT IT TO BARRY AND SAID, THIS THING IS DYING. AND HE SAID, THAT IS JUST THE SOUND IT MAKES. THAT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN IT'S NEW. THAT'S WHAT

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DO I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW? OH MY GOODNESS. DANA, IF YOU WANT TO GO, WHY DON'T YOU? BECAUSE I'M AFRAID IF I START TURNING THESE PAGES, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE A WHILE AND WE GOT TO BE DONE AT 1230. OKAY. WELL, MINE IS HAVING ANOTHER MEETING TOMORROW, RIGHT? NO, I THOUGHT WE HAD A MEETING TOMORROW. NO. THAT'S NEXT. NEXT WEEK? YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE ONE THIS WEEK. IF FRIDAY IF WE COULD. I WAS GOING TO BE BACK. I WANTED TO GET BACK IN THE SADDLE. SO. OH, YEAH. NO. NEXT WEEK WE HAVE ONE SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY THE 26TH AND THURSDAY THE 27TH. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING BECAUSE MINE'S REALLY QUICK. I MEAN, YOU DO WHAT YOU DO AND I'LL SEE WHAT I GOT. OKAY. Y'ALL COVERED A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND OF COURSE, JUDGE MESSER WAS ONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK. AND THEN I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ADVOCATED AND HEARD FROM DISTRICT ATTORNEY CULPEPPER. THE NEXT ONE THAT I HAVE IS, IS AND I HAD MENTIONED IT THE OTHER DAY, IT'S. JIM BARTOW HAD PRESENTED US WITH A SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO HELP FROM A TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT OF KEEPING OUR CITIZENS INFORMED OF WHAT ALL IS GOING ON AT THE, AT, AT, AT OUR, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. BUT SPECIFICALLY THIS, I THINK, IS, IS THIS SOFTWARE CALLED PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH I BELIEVE HE HAS SHARED WITH EACH OF YOU, IS, IS ONE THAT IT IT, I THINK IT SUPPORTS THE TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE DUPLICATION OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THAT JIM BARTOW IS HAVING TO DO. AND, JIM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND JUST TALK.

YOU'VE GIVEN US ALL THE HEADLINES OF PUBLIC INPUT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AT THIS TIME? BECAUSE IT WAS NOT INCLUDED. IT CAME. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT CAME AFTER ALL SUBMISSIONS HAD TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU, JUDGE. IS THAT RIGHT OR DID YOU PUT IT IN? NO, I GOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. OKAY, A WHILE AGO. OKAY. AND THERE'S WELL THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT THEY HAD SENT. CORRECT. THAT WE COULD CHOOSE FROM FOR, FOR THE RECORD, TELL US YOUR NAME, SIR. JIM BARTOW, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. THANK YOU. THE FIRST PLAN WAS FOR 11,000, THE SECOND 21,000, THE THIRD 30,000. SO TELL US $5,000 IMPLEMENTATION FEE. YEP. SO 5000 IS FOR ALL THREE. TELL US WHAT WE GET FOR THE 11,001. AND I'M GOING TO BREAK THIS DOWN TO WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. OBVIOUSLY WE TAKE CARE OF THE ONE TIME IMPLEMENTATION FEE OF $5,000. AND THERE'D BE 11,000 THAT YEAR. IT WOULD ONE OF THE SERVICES WAS IMPROVEMENT ON EMAIL COMMUNICATION, RECEIVE INBOUND EMAIL COMPONENTS, CONDUCT OUTBOUND EMAIL, FOLLOW UP TO PARTICIPANTS. WE COULD SECURE WHAT THEY'RE CALLING SECURE AND CONTROLLED PARTICIPATION TO PREVENT DUPLICATE RESPONSES. THEREFORE CUTTING DOWN ON STUFFING SOMEBODY'S EMAIL BOX WITH UNNECESSARY REPETITIVE INFORMATION. THE MAIN THING THAT THE OVERARCHING IDEA OF WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS TO AT LEAST HAVE A FOCUSED WAY OF ADDRESSING WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS DOING, SPECIFICALLY VIA EMAIL, TO PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED. SO INSTEAD OF, YES, WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND HAROLD BANNER AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO. BUT THIS IS MORE OF A FOCUSED

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WELL, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST WAS AN APP. AND OF COURSE, WHAT CAME UP AS SOMETHING THAT THEY ACTUALLY MENTIONED IS PEOPLE DON'T WANT APPS ON THEIR PHONE ANYMORE, AND THEY DON'T LOOK AT THEM UNLESS THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. IF IT'S A PAYMENT APP OF SOME KIND, THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL USE. BUT ANOTHER APP GIVING THEM INFORMATION THEY MAY OR MAY NOT NEED. IT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE. THEY WON'T NECESSARILY EVEN LOOK AT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE, COMMISSIONER MITCHELL? WELL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY EXCUSE ME. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT CONSTABLE. I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT CONSTABLE CHANEY'S CAR REQUEST. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HIM THAT HERE IT IS ON PAGE 115. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH. CHIEF BROWN IN REGARDS TO PROBABLY. I THINK THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO FIND TO FIND FUNDS FOR THIS YEAR. FY 26, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE JUST TOLD ME BEFORE HE LEFT. I DON'T THINK HE'S IN THE NO HE'S NOT. OKAY. OH, THE MONEY IS BUDGETED AND FUND 51. IF THE COURT WANTS US TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION ON THE AUGUST 25TH, I THINK THAT'S OUR NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING. AND HE CAN YOU KNOW, HE HAS TO RECEIVE THE CAR IN SEPTEMBER.

YEAH. TO TO TO CHARGE IT TO 26. BUT IF ALL THOSE THINGS ALIGN, HE CAN BUY IT. NOW, I THINK THE JUDGE KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT TO HIM ANYWAYS. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON, ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT QUARTER. AND IT'S CURRENTLY BEING FUNDED OUT OF FUND 51. SO THAT WOULD JUST CORRECT. I MEAN, WE I MEAN, WE BASICALLY BE SPENDING THE MONEY NOW, RIGHT. AND SINCE YOU PRETTY MUCH DRAINED FUND 51, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY OPEN UP AN AVENUE IN THE NEXT FY, IT JUST THE MONEY SPENT NOW RATHER THAN LATER. CORRECT? CORRECT.

CORRECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WHICH GETS US A VEHICLE AND NOT FIGHTING WITH EVERY OTHER COUNTY ON ON OCTOBER 2ND. AND THEN ONE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS WITH THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HER COME BACK AND TALK. SO WE DON'T NEED TO I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER LICHTY, YOU WANT TO YEAH. TAKE THE REINS AGAIN. TRIED TO GET FIGURE OUT WHAT I'M DOING HERE. OKAY. SO I'M ON PAGE 91 NOW. THIS IS OUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BOND TWO. AND LISA, THESE ARE PROBABLY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. BUT. LIKE I LOOKED AT, FOR EXAMPLE, EDWARDS ROAD APPEARS TWO PLACES. OKAY.

IT APPEARS ON LINE 081 800 804 FOR 302,000. AND THEN IT APPEARS DOWN ON LINE 081805804 FOR 500,000. BUT I THINK WE'RE SPENDING LIKE $10 MILLION ON EDWARDS ROAD. AND I SO MY, MY GENERAL QUESTION IS, ARE ALL THESE ITEMIZED AS TO WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALREADY? SO EVERYTHING OKAY? FIRST OFF, THE OH 800 081 800 MEANS IT'S 2008 ROAD BONDS. THE 081805 IS THE TRIP 21 BONDS. OKAY, SO IF YOU SEE TWO THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SPLIT, RIGHT? FIGURED SOMETHING. I LAID IT OUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT. ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTRACTED, ANYTHING I HAD AVAILABLE FROM OH EIGHT OR TRIP 21 ON MY SPREADSHEET OF SPENDING. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEND ME A BILL TO PAY AND I PAY IT AND COMES OUT OF THE CHECKING ACCOUNT, THAT'S HOW I TALLIED IT UP. NOW, IT COULD BE THAT EDWARDS ROAD. I THOUGHT EDWARDS ROAD MIGHT HAVE THE 10 MILLION, BUT YOU DIDN'T ISSUE THE 10 MILLION. NO, WE WE ISSUED WE IT CAME FROM 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT POTS. BUT THE TOTAL IS ABOUT 10 MILLION. AND WE JUST GOT DONE WORKING OUT A CONTRACT WITH TEAGUE, KNOLL AND PERKINS. IS IT. BUT I THINK TO LISA'S I THINK TO LISA'S POINT

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BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL, IF THAT SPREADSHEET, IT DOES, AS COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, LAYS OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT POCKETS THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS MONEY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN HERE AND THE, THE, THAT THAT WE NEED TO ON THESE. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH THEM. ARE YOU ARE YOU ALLUDING TO THE SPREADSHEET THAT THEY GAVE YOU, THE SPREADSHEET THAT CAME IN WHEN YOU ISSUED THE 50 MILLION OF WHICH. YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I BASE MY SPREADSHEET OFF OF AS WELL. BUT UNTIL YOU CONTRACT, IT'S GOING TO STAY IN, RIGHT? BUT THIS SHOWS AGAIN ON 081805831 ON PAGE 92. THIS SHOWS WALLACE ROAD AT $1 MILLION. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE SPENDING ANY MONEY ON WALLACE ROAD. BUT IF YOU ISSUED IT FOR WALLACE ROAD, I THINK TECHNICALLY I THINK WE'RE I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THIS IS WHAT WE DID ON THE SPREADSHEET. AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND SPREADSHEET THAT JUST MOVES EVERYTHING ALL AROUND.

AND WALLACE ROAD MAY OR MAY NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT. I'M NOT 100% SURE THAT THE WALLACE ROAD MONEY, I THINK, GOT MOVED TO EDWARDS ROAD BECAUSE WALLACE ROAD WAS IN THE 2021 TRIP, 21 VOTER GUIDE. OKAY. AND BUT WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT ON WALLACE ROAD AND, AND, AND UNTIL YOU UNTIL YOU CONTRACTED. IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR THERE. IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR THERE. AND THEN I'LL MOVE IT PROBABLY BEFORE, BUT. I HAVE A I, I DISAGREE WITH THE TRACKING OF THE MONEY, THE WAY OF. OH EIGHT FUNDS. IT WAS ALWAYS EXPECTED THAT I TRACKED WHAT PRECINCT MONEY WAS, WHAT I PUT IT IN ADVANCED PLANNING, SO THAT YOU COULD DECIDE WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO WITH IT, AND THEN YOU COULD MOVE IT OUT OF THERE. BUT I THINK FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, YOU ALL YOU ALL WANT IT TRACKED. WITH MY PRECINCT. I HAVE $2 MILLION HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO MOVE IT FROM THIS PROJECT TO THIS PROJECT WITHIN MY PRECINCT. SO ON TRIP 21, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW IT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, THIS IS WHAT YOU ISSUED AND ASSIGNED THIS MONEY TO WHEN YOU ISSUED IT. AND IF YOU CONTRACT AND CHANGE THOSE PLANS, THEN I WILL MOVE THE MONEY AROUND, BUT I WILL BE HAPPY, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE. NO, AND I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND

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SO ANYWAY, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST SET UP A TIME WITH ME THIS WEEK, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THIS WITH YOU. AND YOU CAN EITHER EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I'M WRONG, OR WE CAN GET IT TO WHERE WE'RE BOTH IN AGREEMENT ON IT. RIGHT? OKAY, I'LL BRING OVER ALL MY SPREADSHEETS AND WE CAN SIT DOWN, OR WE CAN DO IT IN MY OFFICE. MAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN. YEAH. IT DOESN'T, BUT AGAIN, I'M TRACKING THESE FUNDS TO WHAT'S IN THE GENERAL LEDGER.

NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED UNTIL YOU HAVE CONTRACTED. I WOULD NOT PUT THE MONEY SOMEWHERE UNTIL IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED THAT WAY FORMALLY. OKAY. AS IT SHOULD BE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO FOR FOR NOW, THAT'S ALL I GOT ON THAT. I'M ON PAGE. I'M GOING BACKWARDS NOW ON PAGE 83. THIS IS THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER GRANT. OKAY. AND THERE'S A CAPITAL OUTLAY OF 309, $367,916. I JUST WONDERING WHERE'S THAT MONEY GOING TO. I MEAN WHAT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I JUST I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT WHAT WE USE FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS? I HOPE NOT, BUT. IT'S A CAPITAL OUTLAY. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. CHIEF DEPUTY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WAS THIS FOR THE DRONES, CHIEF? YES. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. CHIEF DEPUTY MCKNIGHT, ROCKWALL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE FUNDS ARE FOR THE DRONE PROGRAM.

OKAY. THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. OKAY, GREAT. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DON'T GO TOO FAR, CHIEF DEPUTY. OKAY, SO THAT'S THAT. I FIGURED OUT THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. OH. OVERALL QUESTION. OKAY. IN A LOT OF THESE PLACES, WE HAVE OVERTIME COMPENSATION. THAT IS, IS NEW OR SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE BY THIS COURT. THAT'S CORRECT. ABOUT A WEEK AGO, TO GO FROM WHAT WE HAD DECIDED AND THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT, TO GETTING RID OF COMP TIME. CORRECT. SO IS THIS ACTUALLY COSTING US MORE MONEY THOUGH? YES. OKAY. WELL, THEN I'M REALLY GLAD I VOTED AGAINST IT. BUT WHY IS IT COSTING US MORE MONEY? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE WHOLE POINT OF GETTING THIS CLEARED UP WAS THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT WE SHOULD JUST PAY IT OUT AS WE GO AND MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT. AND I COULD GIVE YOU A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY END UP COSTING US A BUNCH MORE MONEY. CAN I INVITE THE TREASURER TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN WHY, IN THE LONG RUN IT IS GOING TO SAVE US MONEY, BUT COULD POTENTIALLY COST US MONEY IN THE SHORT RUN THAT WE WEREN'T SPENDING IN THE SHORT RUN. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE MONEY GOING OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE UNDER THE THE PREVIOUS WAY THE COMP TIME WORKED IS IF YOU WORKED OVERTIME INSTEAD OF PAYING YOU THAT MONEY TO WORK THAT EXTRA HOUR OF OVERTIME AND PAYING IT OUT AS TIME AND A HALF, YOU PUT IT IN A COMP BUCKET. AND THEN

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AND ONE OF THE EARLIER ITERATIONS OF OUR CHANGE TO THIS POLICY, WHICH I SUPPORTED, WAS YOU HAD TO USE THAT COMP TIME BEFORE YOU USED VACATION TIME. CORRECT. SO THOSE WERE DONE TO TRY AND DEAL WITH PEOPLE BUILDING UP AND CARRYING IT ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. CORRECT. BUT SO COULD I, COULD SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST US EXTRA NEXT YEAR? WE CALCULATED ABOUT $100,000. IT WAS ADDED TO THE BUDGET BY DOING AWAY WITH COMP TIME. AND THE REASON THAT WE HAD TO PUT THE OVERTIME IN. IF A DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WORKS AN EXTRA HOUR, LET'S SAY THAT THEY'RE IT'S FRIDAY AT 445 AND SOMEONE COMES IN AND NEEDS SOMETHING AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE CAN'T CLOSE. SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. WELL, YOU CAN'T FLEX THAT TIME OUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED OVER ON A MONDAY EVENING, THEN THEY COULD HAVE GONE HOME EARLY ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND FLEXED IT OUT. BUT WE HAD TO PUT THE SCENARIOS IN THAT IF, IF SOME SOMEONE IN THAT DEPARTMENT WHO NORMALLY IT WOULD HAVE GONE TO A COMP BUCKET NOW WORKS OVERTIME, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE COST. AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS IN THE BACKUP OF COURT. WHENEVER WE DID IT, WE WERE ASSUMING IT WOULD BE ABOUT 115 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I REMEMBER THAT NUMBER BEING IN ADDITION WHEN WE WHEN WE DID THE VOTE. SO WE DID ASSUME IT WOULD BE AROUND 100,000 WHEN WHEN WE VOTED. YEAH. AND THAT'S BEING REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. AND I GOT OUTVOTED ON IT. I UNDERSTAND I JUST AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND I THOUGHT WE HAD IT SOLVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS UP WITH THAT? SURE. JUST FOR MY PURPOSES, WILL WE BE SEEING THAT WHEN WE ARE APPROVING THE THE PAYROLL EVERY TWO WEEKS WHEN WE APPROVE IT, WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A LINE ITEM WHERE WE CAN START LOOKING AT AND TRACKING THAT 100,000? AND IF WE HALFWAY THROUGH AND WE'RE ALREADY AT 100,000, THAT'S KIND OF A HERE'S YOUR SIGN FOR THIS COURT. YOU WOULD SEE IT ON THE STATEMENT OF EXPENSES. IT WOULD BREAK IT DOWN BY PERSONNEL. SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE EACH DEPARTMENT AND APPROXIMATELY WHERE THEY'RE AT ACCORDING TO. THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT WHAT MELISSA SENDS TO YOU ON FRIDAYS ABOUT EVERY DEPARTMENT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I NOTICED THAT GROUP INSURANCE DIDN'T INCREASE. I KNOW YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS. I THINK AT OUR LAST MEETING. DO WE EXPECT OUR INSURANCE NOT TO GO UP? I'M NOT SURE OF THE QUESTION. OKAY. HERE. CAN YOU ASK IT AGAIN? YEAH. ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE WERE THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYEES. THERE'S A LINE ITEM CALLED GROUP INSURANCE, AND IT'S $13,000 PER PERSON. CORRECT. ON THE REVISION SHEET THEY MOVED IT UP BY 10%, BUT IT IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. NUMBER THREE, IT'S JUST NOT IN THE PRINTED BUDGET BECAUSE BECAUSE I BROUGHT THAT UP AFTER BY OVER THE ABOUT 100, 535,600.

OKAY, GREAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I THOUGHT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO LEAVE IT ALONE. I DON'T HAVE MUCH INSURANCE. IT JUST STAYS THE SAME. I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT YEP, FIRE AWAY. I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT. SO THIS IS ME COMP TIME. YEAH. KENDALL CULPEPPER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY. THE FIRST TIME THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE COMP CHANGE WAS WHEN WE RECEIVED THE EMAIL. SO I I'M STILL TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS THE SECOND LARGEST DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY, WE USE COMP TIME VERY CREATIVELY BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE IN TRIAL AND PARALEGALS OR INVESTIGATORS HAVE TO WORK ON THE WEEKENDS OR AT NIGHT GETTING READY FOR TRIAL, WE HAVE ALWAYS USED COMP TIME AND ALLOWED THEM TO, WELL, WE CALLED IT INFORMALLY FLEX, BUT USE THAT COMP TIME LATER AND I WOULD, I WOULD I EXPLAINED TO EVERYONE THAT I DO NOT PAY OVERTIME SO THAT IF THEY GOT TOO FAR UP ON THEIR COMP TIME, THEY HAD TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT. THE PROBLEM WITH DOING THE FLEX TIME, AS YOU ALL NOW TALK ABOUT IT, WHEN WE'RE IN TRIAL, NOBODY CAN TAKE FLEX TIME. THAT PAY PERIOD TYPICALLY.

AND SO I ACTUALLY THINK AND, AND THEY KNOW MORE THAN I, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME. WHEREAS BEFORE WE USED COMP TIME AS FLEX TIME THROUGHOUT

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AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN COURT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THE OH, JUST A NOTE AND I'VE TALKED TO. SHERIFF ABOUT THIS. AND I TALKED TO STEVE FRAZIER ABOUT IT. FOR SOME REASON, OUR TASER LEASES, WHICH JUST DRIVE ME CRAZY, BUT I'VE ALREADY MADE PEACE WITH THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FOR THE IT APPEARS FOR THE THE DISTRICT COURTS, THEY'RE LIKE 655 AND THE CONSTABLES ARE. 916. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT BIG DOLLARS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE ISN'T SOME WAY. AND I'VE TALKED TO SHERIFF GARRETT ABOUT IT. WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE IT TODAY.

BUT JUST A NOTE, IF THERE IS SOME WAY THAT WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF UNIFIED PRICING, SO WE ALL GET THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE RATHER THAN PAYING THE THE CONSTABLE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PAYS BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN ONE HUGE LINE ITEM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TASERS THEY HAVE, BUT THE DISTRICT COURTS WERE 655, THE CONSTABLES WERE 916.

SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN GET SOME UNIFORM PRICING AND GET THE LOWEST PRICE BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE SAME PROVIDER FOR EVERYBODY. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D BE PAYING MORE FOR THE CONSTABLE'S. SO IF YOU CHECK INTO THAT, LISA, I'D SURE APPRECIATE IT. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT'S JUST A RANT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHAT IS THE SCARP GRANT ON PAGE 56? THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT'S FOR THE DETENTION CENTER, FOR THE DETENTION CENTER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH ICE DETAINMENT, DOESN'T IT?

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WE DO. WHICH GIVES US. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING AN EYE ON THE CLOCK, ALL OF YOU. SO DO WE WANT TO MEET FRIDAY OR NEXT WEDNESDAY, OR DO WE WANT TO PUT IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM TUESDAY? WHAT WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO DO? I'D LIKE IF AGENDA ITEM TUESDAY IS AN OPTION THAT WHY NOT DO IT THAT WAY? OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? ARE YOU GOING TO DO A NEW VERSION OF ALL THIS NOW? AND I MEAN, I GOT THIS THING THIS MORNING, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING LET'S MEET TUESDAY AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND AND POST THE MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. NEXT WEEK WE'RE GOING TO POST ALL THREE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AT REGULAR COURT AND THEN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING WEDNESDAY AND A SPECIAL MEETING THURSDAY. AND OUR ATTEMPT IS TO HAVE THE IS IT THE NINTH? THE TUESDAY THE EIGHTH WAS WHEN WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. SO MY MY, MY GOAL IS NEXT WEEK TO HAVE A BUDGET THAT WE AGREE ON. JUDGE, DO YOU WANT A SECOND DRAFT BEFORE TUESDAY OR DO YOU. THAT'S FIVE MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THAT. YEAH. AND WHEN WE PLAN ON VOTING ON IT.

YEAH. YOU REALLY HAVEN'T VOTED ON ANYTHING TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE BUDGET. SO WE WE WE HAVE NOT. I WOULD SAY THIS MAYBE AFTER TUESDAY, WE DO A SECOND DRAFT. CAN WE YOU THINK GET IT DONE. CAN YOU WE'RE MEETING TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE A DRAFT DONE FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON TO WEDNESDAY MORNING. WHY NOT? THAT'D BE A TOUGH ONE, BUT WE. I CAN CONTINUE THE REVISION SHEET. I MEAN WE AS WE CAN I MEAN WE CAN WELL THE REVISION SHEET GIVES US WHAT WE NEED. YOU'LL UPDATE THIS AFTER TODAY. YES. BUT AT SOME POINT IT NEEDS TO BECOME AN OFFICIAL BUDGET THAT WE CAN SAY YES OR NOT EVEN CLOSE. LET'S GET GET BACK TO WORK. CORRECT. SO WHAT WAS THE ANSWER TO AFTER TUESDAY? NO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ANSWER. HOW MUCH HAIR YOU WANT? SO CAN WE HAVE IT BY THURSDAY? IF WE HAVE THE MEETING FINISHED TUESDAY, CAN WE HAVE AND AGREE THAT WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO HAVE A SECOND DRAFT? CAN WE HAVE IT BY THE 27TH? YES. IF YOU GUYS MAKE SOME VOTES AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO A SECOND DRAFT. OKAY. YEAH. ON TUESDAY, LET'S PLAN ON TAKING SOME VOTES. LET'S PLAN ON BEING, YOU KNOW, FIRST IN MOTIONS, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND SECOND AND VOTES AS WE GO. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE ALL ON BOARD. YEAH. THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN. YEAH. I FORGOT ABOUT THE TECH THING. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY SCHEDULE ANYTHING ON ON BUDGET TIME. THAT'S. YEAH I AGREE. ALL RIGHT.

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