Aug 26, 2026 Commissioners Court Special Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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EVERYONE. IT IS 9 A.M. WE ARE AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. IT IS AUGUST 26TH. I'M GOING TO CALL OUR SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER. AND GOING TO PIVOT, BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS WORKING THEIR WAY IN ONES AT THE DENTIST, AND WE'RE ALL REAL BUSY WITH THE BUDGET. AND I'M

[INVOCATION:  Commissioner Bobby Gallana]

[1) PUBLIC FORUM:]

[2) TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT]

[3.A) Discuss/Act on allocating costs associated with Inmate Phone commissions with the Sheriff's jail commissary funds, and all related issues; (Commissioner Stacy)]

GOOD MORNING, CAPTAIN GRAY. SO I THINK COMMISSIONER SUMMED IT UP. THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME MOVEMENT WITH THE FCC IN WHAT WAS PASSED IS CALLED THE MARTHA WRIGHT READ ACT. AND SO WHAT THAT DID WAS IT CHANGED THE COMMISSION'S AND IT CAPPED THE RATES ON PHONE CALLS. BUT IT ALSO REACHED OUT TO OTHER SERVICES LIKE VIDEO VISITATION FOR INMATES. SO ALL OF THOSE COMMUNICATION SERVICES ARE ALL PROVIDED IN THE JAIL. AND WHAT THAT IN TURN DID IS IT IT CHANGED COMMISSIONS TO MORE REPRESENT WHAT THEY REFER TO AS A REVENUE SHARE, SO THAT THE COUNTIES ARE NOT EXCLUDED FROM RECEIVING THOSE REVENUE SHARES ON, ON A PORTION OF THE THE RATE PER MINUTE FOR PHONE CALLS. AND EXCUSE ME, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BACKGROUND JUST SO IT ALL KIND OF IT ALL COME COME TOGETHER. THE AS FAR AS THE RATES THAT REVENUE SHARE GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY. AND OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY PROVIDES THESE SERVICES. AND THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND THAT GOES INTO MAINTAINING THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, EVEN AT MY LEVEL, JUST, YOU KNOW, MANAGING PERSONNEL, MANAGING THE CONTRACT, MANAGING THE, THE, THE, THE SERVICES THAT COME INTO THE JAIL TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL. SO LONG STORY SHORT, WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW WITH THOSE RATE REDUCTIONS IS THAT THERE ARE SERVICES THAT OUR INMATE PHONE SYSTEM PROVIDES THAT ARE INVESTIGATIVE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO COSTS FOR RETENTION. SO ALL THE PHONE CALLS, OF COURSE, IN THE JAIL ARE RECORDED EXCLUDING PRIVILEGED PHONE CALLS WITH LIKE COUNSEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THERE'S A COST TO RETAIN THOSE PHONE CALLS FOR UP TO 365 DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW,

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BECAUSE OF THOSE CAPS, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO COVER THE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, MONIES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE PHONE, FROM SECURUS, WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY THEM BACK. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS THAT THE COURT CONSIDER BASICALLY JUST SHARING THOSE COSTS BECAUSE THEY'RE COUNTYWIDE SERVICES LIKE THAT.

THE DA'S OFFICE USE THAT. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE USES OTHER PARTNERING AGENCIES USE TO, YOU KNOW, IN INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE BENEFICIAL. SO MORE OR LESS, WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, CONSIDER SHARING THOSE COSTS AND THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW THEY COME OUT. AND I THINK APPROXIMATELY, IT WAS ABOUT $20,000 A YEAR, AND LISA MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT TO THE EXACT AMOUNTS. I THINK THAT MY ESTIMATE, AND THIS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GUARANTEED TAKE OUT 25,000, BUT BECAUSE COMMISSIONS COULD INCREASE AND, AND, BUT OUR COST SHARE WOULD BE $25,000 DECREASE IN OUR REVENUE LINE, WHICH IS. 001340205. COMMISSION INMATE PHONES. WE BUDGET 150,000 ANNUALLY. SO YOU WOULD JUST ASK US TO BUDGET THAT AT 125,000. THAT'S WHAT THE ASK IS. CORRECT. AND THEN THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW LESS REVENUE TO COME TO THE COUNTY AND WOULD OFFSET THE COST INCREASE THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING TO ABSORB. WELL. AND CURRENTLY THEY'RE THE CHECKS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE JAIL COMMISSARY FOR THEIR COMMISSIONS, WITH ALL THE EXPENSES DEDUCTED. THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE RED, SO THEY'RE HAVING TO WRITE A CHECK BACK TO THE COMPANY TO CONTINUE OFFERING THESE SERVICES. SO WHEN CAPTAIN GRAY BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, I SAID, WELL, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST THE INMATES USING. I MEAN, WE ARE REQUIRED TO OFFER THESE SERVICES FOR THE JAIL INMATES AND OTHER. AND LIKE ALEX WAS SAYING, OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY UTILIZE THESE FOR. PROSECUTION PURPOSES. I DID HAVE LEGAL REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY WAS ALLOWED TO SHARE THESE EXPENSES AND. AND I WAS GIVEN A CONFIRMATION THAT WE WERE. I DO HAVE A CASE USE JUST TO REFERENCE SOME OF THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES. WE HAD A HIGH PROFILE PROSECUTION THE YEAR BEFORE LAST, MONITORING THESE PHONE CALLS. IT WAS A IT WAS A HOMICIDE IN ON THE DALROCK. OVERPASS GAS STATION. BUT MONITORING THOSE PHONE CALLS AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE RELATED TO AS FAR AS LIKE COUNTY COSTS, IF A IF A CLERK OR AN D.A. WOULD HAVE HAD TO SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO THOSE PHONE CALLS.

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AND IT DID RESULT IN A SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION AMONG ALL THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE THAT EXISTED. BUT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT WAS GATHERED FROM FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR RETENTION AND INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES THAT COME WITH THAT. CAPTAIN GRAY, I HAVE KIND OF A WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY BE A RABBIT HOLE QUESTION. SO YOU SAY WE KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS, WE KEEP THE THE, THE DATA FOR A YEAR. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A YEAR? SO JUST GO AWAY. OR DO WE PUT IT ON A ZIP DRIVE? WHAT DO WE DO? GOOD QUESTION. SO SO THE DATA, THE I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE METADATA IT STAYS THE ACTUAL RECORDING THE VOTE, THE THE THE, THE VOICE AND THE TRANSCRIPT IS WHAT LEAVES. SO IF IT IS TO BE RETAINED, IF IT IS NEEDED, WHAT WE DO IS THEY CREATE A CDR, WHICH IS JUST A MORE OR LESS A VIRTUAL IMAGE OF OR A RECORDING OF THAT. AND THEN IT'S RETAINED FOR PROSECUTION OR FOR INVESTIGATIONS OR TO GATHER AS FAR AS EVIDENCE. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE REALIZE, HEY, THIS GUY WAS IN A ROCK WALL JAIL AND WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO HIS JAIL CALLS. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA. SO WHO THEY CALLED, LIKE WHAT THEY REFER TO AS LIKE BNA, WHICH IS BILLING NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU CAN YOU CAN REFERENCE BACK TO THAT WHEN THE TIME AND DATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE ACTUAL PHONE CALL ITSELF AFTER A YEAR WOULD GO AWAY. THEY DO OFFER SOME SERVICES TO EXTEND THAT OUT, BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE BEYOND A YEAR FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO RETAIN THOSE PHONE CALLS IF IT IS A HIGH PROFILE CASE. I MEAN, WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS WE'LL GET A REQUEST FROM THAT AGENCY OR DA'S OFFICE TO RETAIN THOSE PHONE CALLS, AND THEN THEY'LL JUST PERIODICALLY, IF THE PERSON REMAINS IN CUSTODY, KEEP THOSE PHONE CALLS AND CREATE THOSE IMAGES OF THOSE. GOT IT.

YEAH. SNAPSHOT OF THAT TIME. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CAPTAIN GRAY? NO, I, I THINK WHAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO IS THEY'RE HERE. JUST ASK QUESTIONS, BUT JUST ROLL THIS RIGHT INTO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION FROM FROM THIS, OTHER THAN TO KNOW THAT THE ASK IS FOR $25,000 TO TO LEAVE THE LEAVE THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE BUDGET. WHAT LINE ITEM AGAIN, DID YOU SAY? THREE.

TWO, FOUR. THAT'S THAT'S IN GENERAL REVENUE. AND ACTUALLY 342 I IT'S 2025 THAT WE HAVE 150 000 IN ON PAGE ONE IN THE FY 27 DRAFT BUDGET, THE TARGETED REVENUE IS 160 000. SO WE DO EARN MORE. WE WERE. MY FORECAST SHOWED THAT WE WOULD EARN MORE THAN THE 150 IN FY 26.

SO. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF YOU DO NEED TO SHOW A DECREASE. I WOULD JUST PROBABLY LEAVE THE REVENUE LINE AS IS AND JUST ABSORB THOSE COSTS ACCORDINGLY. SO IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO SAY THAT WE'RE WILLING TO ABSORB THE COSTS IF WE ARE. YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE TO THE THE ACTUAL. YEAH.

WE WOULD JUST KEEP THE BUDGET REVENUE THE SAME. AND THEN IT'LL PROBABLY, AS LISA SAID, IT'LL PROBABLY WORK ITSELF OUT AS LONG AS WE KIND OF MEMORIALIZE THE POLICY. I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WOULD MAKE SOME ACTION, BECAUSE CAPTAIN GRAY DOES NEED TO SEND A LETTER TO SECURITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS A IS OKAY WITH SPLITTING THE EXPENSES ON EACH OF OUR COMMISSION STATEMENTS. SO THERE THERE WILL BE SOMETHING NEEDING TO BE IN WRITING TO THE COMPANY THAT THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT DONE. THEY HAD ASKED ME, THEY HAD APPROACHED ME, YOU KNOW, HEY, WITH A BILL BASICALLY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DROVE THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAD COME UP IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS. I REALLY WASN'T TOO CONCERNED NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR THE SERVICES, WHETHER IT CAME OUT OF THE COMMISSARY THAT WENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WENT TO THE COMMISSARY OR THE GENERAL FUND AS LONG AS THEY WERE BEING PAID. BUT WHEN WE STARTED GOING INTO THE RED AND THEN HAVING TO PAY OUT, THAT'S WHEN I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THEY WANTED ME TO MAKE THAT. I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT IS SMART MOVE, CAPTAIN GRAY, THANK YOU. DEFINITELY FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. SO SO THE ACTION WOULD BE THAT THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE COUNTY COST SHARE.

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SECURITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT ABOUT PROVIDING AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT AGREEMENT. I THINK WE'RE ON NUMBER SIX NOW, SO WE'LL BE ASKING FOR NUMBER SEVEN. THEY USUALLY SEND OVER GOOD LANGUAGE. WE REVIEW THAT. IF IT DOES NEED TO BE UPDATED. AND THEN IT WOULD BE PRESENTED HERE FOR SO. SO YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT HAVING AUTHORIZING THE JAIL TO WORK ON AN AMENDMENT FOR COST SHARE TO GET TO GET THE LATEST AMENDMENT FROM SECURUS. YEAH, SECURUS WILL SEND THAT OVER. USUALLY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DON'T GO TOO FAR. I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. LET'S I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE JAIL TO WORK WITH SECURUS, TO CREATE AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR CONTRACT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE COUNTY COST SHARE ON THE INMATE CALL SYSTEM. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CAPTAIN.

[3.B) Discuss/Act on the proposed FY2027 1st draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New) https://rockwallcountytexas.com/DocumentCenter/View/14507/FY27-Proposed-Budget]

NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. AND THE THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP BEFORE WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK AND FORTH, IS I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THE LIBRARY STUDY NOW. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT BEING IN FUND 51. I HAVE NO ISSUE STUDYING THE LIBRARY. AND IT'S JUST THAT.

AND AS BOBBY AND I SERVE ON THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, WHICH IS MAINLY ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND KEEPING UP, BUT WE DO THINK FORWARD, THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE OUR FACILITY NEEDS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THAT WE SPEND THE MONEY AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND THEN IN 2 OR 3 YEARS, WE THINK, OH, NOW WE WANT TO DO IT. AND NOW THE PLAN'S STALE AND OLD. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE ADULT PROBATION NEEDS, WE HAVE SOME NEEDS THAT ARE AHEAD OF THE LIBRARY. WE HAVE MECHANICAL ISSUES IN AT LEAST BOOMING, LOOMING IN THE LIBRARY THAT MIGHT BE MORE PRESSING THAN REARRANGING THE LIBRARY.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A DISCUSSION. DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE LIBRARY THERE? DO WE WANT TO REUSE THAT BUILDING FOR SOMETHING ELSE? I'M NOT SAYING WE DO. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T. I'M JUST SAYING THE COURT HASN'T REALLY CREATED. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS BUILDING WHERE WE DON'T REALLY

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AGAIN, I DISAGREE WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE LIBRARY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING FOR. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON THE COURT THAT THINK, GEE, WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FAST ENOUGH, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULD TELL EVERYBODY TO STOP. MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MOVE FASTER, AND THAT MAY REQUIRE A BOND ISSUE.

IT MAY REQUIRE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I THINK SAYING NO TO THIS IS THE WRONG THING TO DO. AND I THINK IT SENDS A SIGNAL, DESPITE WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, THAT THEY LOVE THE LIBRARY. AND I DON'T DISPUTE THAT. I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. BUT I THINK IT SENDS A SIGNAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT EVERY DAY THAT WE'RE NOT SO SURE WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED. AND NOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS SAYING, GEE, MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE IT. AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOMEONE SAID THAT, WELL, IF I HAVE TO GO TO THE PEOPLE AND GET A BOND ISSUE, I'D RATHER DO IT TO BUILD A NEW LIBRARY THAN A NEW GOVERNMENT BUILDING. FRANKLY, I FEEL JUST THE OPPOSITE. THAT LIBRARY, WHEN IT PASSED WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ALL HERE. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE LIVED HERE AT THE TIME WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO GET IT DONE. IT'S VERY MUCH USED, SO I WOULD AS SOON PROCEED WITH IT. BUT OBVIOUSLY WHATEVER THIS COURT DECIDES IS THE BEST THING TO DO. I WOULD COUNTER THAT BY SAYING THAT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OUR FUTURE PLAN IS FOR THE LIBRARY. AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT. WE WANT TO. I KNOW JOHN SAID, PUT IT ON A SHELF. HE DIDN'T MEAN THAT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROCEED QUICKLY, I. IT IS THE LIBRARY ISSUE IS HIGH ON MY RADAR. I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE LIBRARY BECAUSE IT IS SO WELL USED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT LEAVING IT WHERE IT IS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND IF MOVING IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THEN I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT THAT. WE HAVE A BUILT IN FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GROUP THAT IS VERY WELL CONNECTED, THAT CAN HELP WITH HELP US WITH THAT. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP A GOVERNMENT BUILDING, WHO'S HELPING WITH THAT? IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR A BOND FOR THAT, NOBODY. SO I I'M LEAVING THE LIBRARY. THERE MAY NOT MAY NOT BE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT JUST MAY NOT BE IT RETROFITTING IT. IT MAY NOT GET THEM WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY'RE ALREADY SAYING THEY WANT TO ADD ON MORE SPACE TO THAT BUILDING ON ONE OF THE SIDES OF IT. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM OUR SCENE BEING HERE. SO MY POINT IS I WANT TO MOVE QUICKLY. I'M OKAY GOING TO THE PUBLIC TO ASK FOR HELP FOR A LIBRARY, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON ON SOMETHING, THAT IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO UTILIZING THAT MONEY FOR A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE LIBRARY QUICKLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND KNOWING WE HAVE TO MOVE THE GPS OUT AT SOME POINT, EVENTUALLY. HOW DOES ALL THAT FIT? DOES THAT BUILDING MAKE SENSE FOR THAT? SO WE HAVE A CAMPUS AND THE LIBRARY MAYBE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR DOES IT NOT? THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO QUESTION WITH THAT. I THINK, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER STACY, TO. YEAH, AND I'LL JUST CLARIFY THE REMARK. I'M AFRAID OF USING IT WITHOUT A PLAN. SO IT THEN GETS ON THE SHELF. I WANT US TO HAVE A PLAN AND MOVE IT FORWARD. I DID NOT SAY THAT WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. I DIDN'T WANT US TO SPEND THE MONEY AND

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AND THEN WE HAVE ZERO IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE US TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME FACILITY STUFF. NOW LET'S GO FIGURE OUT SOME FACILITY STUFF. I DO THINK YOUR POINT IS CORRECT. I DO THINK IT SENDS A BAD SIGNAL TO THE LIBRARY. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AT ALL TO PULL THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY WHAT I MEANT BY STICKING IT ON A SHELF. I JUST FEAR WITHOUT A PLAN. WHERE ARE WE HEADED? YEAH. AND MAYBE THAT MAYBE THE STUDY GIVES US AN IDEA OF IS THIS GOING TO IS THE IS THE BEST USE OF THIS BUILDING MODIFYING IT FOR A NEW LIBRARY STYLE? AND MAYBE IT TELLS US MAYBE THE STUDY THEN TELLS US, MAN, WE MIGHT BE BETTER OFF LOOKING SOMEWHERE.

MAYBE THE STUDY GIVES US SOME MORE INSIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO. JUST A DISCUSSION. YEAH, I THINK THE STUDY MAY WELL GIVE US A NUMBER WHERE WE LOOK AT AND GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ARE APPROACHING THE PRICE OF A NEW BUILDING. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN BACK UP AND MAKE A DECISION. OR MAYBE NOT. I THE STUDY WILL HELP SOLIDIFY THAT. IT WILL. I DO KNOW LIBRARIES HAVE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED HOW THEY INTERFACE WITH WITH THE CITIZENS AND, AND OUR, OUR BUILDING IS STRUCTURED KIND OF A IN A DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM TYPE ENVIRONMENT, NOT, NOT IN A LEARNING AND ENGAGING AND REACHING OUT TYPE ENVIRONMENT.

SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STUDY AND I WILL SHARE BECAUSE ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS IN MY GOAL NUMBER FIVE, IS FOR US TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF A MULTI EVENT CENTER. OKAY.

AND IN THIS COUNTY, NOW THAT WE, WE HAVE THAT IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN, NOT IN THE FIRST 5 TO 10 YEARS, BUT, BUT THE STUDY COULD HELP US MAKE THAT BEGIN TO START WORKING MORE ON THAT ONE, ON THAT ONE GOAL AND AGENDA ITEM AND WOULD BE INCLUDED IF WE DO TAKE SOMETHING TO THE VOTERS AT SOME POINT, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLY ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS. IF THIS COURT DECIDES TO DO THAT, AND IT MAY NOT BE IN THE NEXT 4 TO 5 YEARS, BUT THE STUDY AND WHAT WE COULD BE DOING DURING THAT TIME IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SELLING PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY ONLY TO NO DEVELOPERS FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. AND IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS TO BE SOMETHING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. BUT A STUDY WOULD HELP US THAT. BUT THEN WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK IN FIVE PLUS YEARS IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO EXECUTE ANY OF IT AND HAVE TO MODIFY THE STUDY. BUT THAT'S DONE ALL THE TIME. ALL RIGHT. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO BRING THAT INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS JUDGE? IF, YOU KNOW, PLEASE, PLEASE, I DON'T WANT TO IF WE'RE READY TO VOTE, I DON'T WANT TO SLOW EVERYBODY DOWN.

BUT INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE WHEN THIS STUDY WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE MUCH BROADER. AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 140 OR 1000 PLUS OR MINUS. AND. WOULD PROBABLY GIVE US MORE OF AN IDEA. AND AT THE TIME WE. WE CUT IT BACK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THE COURT WOULD BE READY TO GO FOR 140 OR 150,000. MAYBE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, AND WE SHOULD GO BACK AND EXPAND THE STUDY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE AND GET THEM WHAT THEY WANT AND UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SEEMS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIBRARY BUT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT. SO I THINK IF YOU KNOW THE IDEA, FRANKLY, I DISAGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER STACEY, IS HOW CAN WE DO A STUDY IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN? HOW DO YOU DO A PLAN WITHOUT DOING A STUDY? IT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE TO THAT. AND YOU PROBABLY GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT. NO, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT MY MY THOUGHT IS THIS. WE COULD EXPAND THAT STUDY. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD, BUT IF EVERYBODY HERE IS THINKING, GEE, MAYBE LET'S LOOK AT MOVING THE LIBRARY OR BUILDING, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THIS WAS, SHOULD WE BUILD AN AUXILIARY OR SECONDARY LIBRARY OVER IN SOMEWHERE, MAYBE IN PRECINCT FOUR OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, OR PRECINCT ONE, IF YOU LIKE THAT BETTER. PRECINCT TWO, WE COULD EVEN PUT A PRECINCT THREE WHERE A LOT OF READERS DOWN IN PRECINCT THREE. BUT AGAIN, I, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE PART OF MOVING FORWARD AND DOING SOMETHING IS STUDYING IT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO. AND IF WE DO THIS, IF THE VOTE IS LET'S PUT THIS OFF, I THINK WHAT WE'LL COME BACK WITH IS A SUGGESTION. LET'S DO IT EVEN BROADER STUDY. AND SO WE GOT A PLAN FOR IT. EVERYBODY HEARS UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR OF A GREAT

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WE'RE GOING TO GO FIRST. ALL RIGHT. TAKE IT AWAY, COMMISSIONER. OKAY. FIRST QUESTION. JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. WE HAVE PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW WHO TO DIRECT THIS TO, MAYBE THE AUDITOR OR CAMI. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT DON'T TAKE OUR INSURANCE, DON'T USE IT, BUT WE'RE STILL FUNDING THEM IN THE BUDGET. IT SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL. WHY DO WE DO THAT? AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? YES AND YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO SOME DOLLARS. SO IT'S A IT'S A FUNDING MECHANISM. IT IS NOT A TOOL TO SAY THIS PERSON DOESN'T TAKE INSURANCE.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS WE COULD DO IT. WE COULD BUILD A FUNDING MODEL AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY COSTS FOR THE COUNTY TO DO INSURANCE, WHAT A LOT OF COUNTIES DO, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE JUST TAKE THE FTE, THE FULL TIME, THE FULL TIME PEOPLE, AND WE JUST DIVIDE THAT COST AMONG ALL THE FULL TIME PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY TAKE IT OR NOT. BECAUSE WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND I KNOW THAT'S OKAY. BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS WITHIN DEPARTMENTS AND I GET IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE. BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS WITHIN DEPARTMENTS, IT KIND OF THROWS OFF EXACTLY WHAT THEIR BUDGET IS. SO IF A DEPARTMENT HAS SOMEBODY NOT TAKING THAT INSURANCE, THAT DEPARTMENT IS STILL PAYING FOR THAT INSURANCE THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED. COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE IS DOING THAT. I AGREE, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT SO I JUST WANTED TO THERE MAY NOT BE A BETTER WAY, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE'S BUDGET AND SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SCRUTINIZE THEIR OWN BUDGET AND FIND MONEY, THEN IT, IT MAKES IT A BIT CONFUSING FOR THEM. I AGREE WITH YOU. I ASKED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE LAST YEAR AND I TOLD NO. SO YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE THE 1300 $0 OR WHATEVER IT IS OUT OF MY BUDGET, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO FIND MONEY DOING THIS. WE'RE STILL SPENDING THE MONEY. IT JUST WOULD INCREASE. THAT'S CORRECT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD DO SOMETHING RATHER STARK TO THE BUDGET. AND THAT IS IS YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE A $2 MILLION TRANSFER INTO FUND. 185 YEAH. AND THAT WOULD JUST LOOK REALLY WEIRD. YEAH. I, I CAN SAY I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT BECAUSE IT DOES BOTHER ME AS A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS BOTHER ME AND THEY SHOULDN'T. I JUST LET THINGS BOTHER ME. YEAH. WHEN I TALKED TO OUR NEW AGENT, THEY SAID MOST COUNTIES JUST DO IT THIS WAY. OKAY. AND, AND THE REASON BEING IS, IS IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT POSITION. SO WE'RE FUNDING POSITIONS, NOT THE PEOPLE. YEAH. SO IF YOU SIT THERE AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON HIM BECAUSE

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THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I'VE GONE BOTH BOTH BOTH WAYS ON THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WE COULD DO IT TO TO YOUR POINT. WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I MEAN CAMI WHAT IS IT $6 MILLION IS IS THAT'S THE REVENUE THAT WE PUT INTO THE INSURANCE. OKAY. SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE A BIG NASTY NUMBER JUST SITTING IN THE BUDGET SPREAD OUT. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. YEAH, I JUST HAD PEOPLE DIFFERENT. I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THIS FROM THEIR DEPARTMENTS IN THE, IN THE LAST DAY. I WOULD JUST TELL THEM I MY HONEST ANSWER IS IT'S JUST NOT THEIR MONEY. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SALARIES, BUT THAT IS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR EVERYONE'S HEALTH INSURANCE THAT IS JUST BEING SPREAD OUT. WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MONEY. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO ALL GOOD. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE IT IF WE WEREN'T FUNDED.

YEAH. IT'S NOT FREED UP MONEY. IT'S NOT FREED UP MONEY. IT'S JUST ALLOCATED MONEY MECHANISM.

BUT BUT IT IS ANNOYING. I WILL GIVE YOU THAT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND GO, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? WHAT ABOUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? BUT I, I WOULD JUST KIND OF ARGUE IF WE HAD A $6 MILLION TRANSFER, IT WOULD LOOK WEIRDER. YEAH, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE. I JUST AND I'M GLAD PEOPLE ARE DIGGING INTO THEIR BUDGETS AND LOOKING IN DETAIL. THAT'S A GOOD SIGN, COMMISSIONER. ONE THING TO CONSIDER. IT'S ME. OH, SORRY. I'M LIKE, WHERE'S THIS COMING FROM? ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE QUALIFYING EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES WHO WILL CHANGE THEIR SPOUSE AND THEN TAKE THEM OFF AND ADD THEM. I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT QUALIFYING EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR PER EMPLOYEE. SO JUST BECAUSE AN EMPLOYEE DOESN'T ENROLL DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIFE EVENT AND NEED TO ENROLL LATER IN THE YEAR. YEAH, TOTALLY GET IT. AND ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR MY, MY BENEFIT, IF, IF WE HAVE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF COUNTIES THAT ARE SAYING THEY HAVE SOME VERY HIGH CLAIMS IN THEIR COUNTIES, LIKE, LIKE THEY HAD, I HAD SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY THAT SAID THEY HAD THEIR FIRST $3 MILLION ONE. SO THAT CLAIMS TO. OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO SOMETIMES THAT WOULD BE HOW WE WOULD HELP HELP OVERCOMPENSATE FOR THAT. OKAY. SO YEAH, OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON. I GOT MY ANSWER ON THAT, WHICH THANK YOU. I WANT TO MOVE DOWN TO I'M ON THE AMENDED SHEET HERE. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MOVE DOWN TO THE JPS ON LINE 32343638 I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE THESE ALL TOGETHER OR NOT, BUT I WANT WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED, I THINK, THE TWO PART TIME CLERKS FOR ONE AND TWO AND THEN THE RECLASSIFICATIONS ON THREE AND FOUR. I THINK THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER LICHTY MAY HAVE SAID HE WASN'T IN FAVOR OF ONE AND TWO, BUT LEFT THREE AND FOUR. I DON'T I DON'T I COULD NOT FIND MY NOTES AND I KNOW I TOOK THEM YESTERDAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. I'M PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH AND THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. I'M KIDDING. HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE LOOKING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PICK UP THAT CONVERSATION NOW, PLEASE. AND AND JUST GO ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CAME BEFORE US WITH WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS. ALL OF THESE COURTS ARE GETTING BUSIER. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE CONSTABLES ARE ASKING FOR, WHICH WE'LL PICK UP AFTER THIS, HOPEFULLY WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH BOTH OF THESE THINGS AND KNOW THAT THEY KIND OF WORK IN CONCERT A LITTLE BIT, AND I AM IN FAVOR OF ADDING THE TWO PART TIME CLERKS THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY WASN'T IN FAVOR OF FOR ONE AND TWO, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THE OTHER ASKS FROM THE FROM THE CONSTABLES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO NEXT. JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BALANCE. BUT I DO BELIEVE WHAT THEY PRESENTED FOR NUMBERS JUSTIFIES IT FOR FOR ALL OF THE JOBS THAT IT I MEAN FOR CAN'T EVEN FILE THEIR THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THE FILING THEIR PAPERS ON TIME. THEY HAVE AN, A CLOSET FULL OF JUNK. THEY CAN'T GET TO THREES. NUMBERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL BIG TIME. AND ONE AND TWO ARE BOTH HAVING SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN NUMBERS OF CASES BEFORE THEM. AND WE KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR DISPOSITION OF CASES IN THEIR PENDING CASES CLIMBING. AND THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR THE COURT. AND PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP AND GETTING THINGS PREPARED TO GET TO COURT AND TO GET RESOLVED. AND THESE CLERKS WOULD BE WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN HELPING OUR JPS START TO GET THOSE NUMBERS DOWN BY GETTING THINGS PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL OF COURSE OPEN IT UP FOR OPINION. WELL, I SUPPORT YOU. IT WAS IT WAS EYE OPENING.

WE HEARD FROM ALL OF THEM. BUT WHEN JUDGE MESSER CAME A WEEK AGO AND PRESENTED AND THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH HIS, HIS GRAPHS OF, OF, OF ALL, ALL OF THE PRECINCTS, IT WAS, IT WAS

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YEAH. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE RIGHT IN ONE SENSE. AND THAT IS IF IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND THINK WE NEED TO UPGRADE, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS THINKING ONE AND TWO NEED ONE AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHY I LOOKED AT IT AS IF IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING. I WANT TO BE NOTHING UNTIL I SEE THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, BUT I DO. I DO AGREE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE LOOKING THAT WAY, AND WE HAVE A LOT LESS CLERKS IN THE JUSTICE COURT THAN WE DO JUST CLERKING A STANDARD COURTROOM. AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE PAPERWORK THROUGH A STANDARD COURTROOM VERSUS WHAT THOSE GUYS ARE DOING. SO I FEEL FOR THEM, I UNDERSTAND THEM. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BUDGET CRUNCH IS GOING TO LAND US. RIGHT. BUT JUDGE MAZARS DID GIVE US A THREE YEAR. HE GAVE US NUMBERS FROM ALL FOUR OF THE COURTS OR THE PRECINCTS, EXCUSE ME, 23, 24, 25 AND WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. SO I MEAN, IT IS EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN GROWING. SO AND WE'VE KICKED THE BALL. I MEAN, I THINK THEY ASKED FOR THIS LAST YEAR AND WE WE SAID WE COULDN'T FIT IT IN.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO. DOES SOMEONE WANT TO BRING THIS TO A VOTE. OKAY I WILL BEFORE YOU DO, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE DO HAVE TO VOTE ON EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO SO NOTHING IS IN THE BUDGET ON THIS SHEET. I JUST WANT I JUST WANT TO REMIND THIS IS ALL JUST STUFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. SO I'M JUST GOING, GOING DOWN MY LIST. AND THEN AND THEN Y'ALL CAN PICK UP WHERE YOU WANT. BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE JP1JP2 PART TIME CLERKS AND THE MOVE FOR JP3 AND JP4JP4 FROM PART TIME TO FULL TIME ONE, THREE, AND FOUR I DID ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR. HE DID ALL OF THEM RIGHT. REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES 4 TO 1. HEY, LET'S LET'S WE CLEANED UP A LOT THERE. LET'S JUMP BACK UP REAL QUICK. AND NOT NOT TO PREEMPT YOU, BUT I'M I THINK I'VE ALLOWED COMMISSIONER STACEY TO INFECT ME. THERE'S JUST A LITTLE ONE THERE. COUNTY COURT AT LAW TWO REPLACEMENT BULLETPROOF VEST. OH, YEAH. JUST DO BULLETPROOF VEST. GO BAD. YES. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S THEY HAVE A LIFE JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE DOES, SO THEY CAN SELL MORE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REPLACE THE BULLETPROOF VEST ALLOCATING $1,200. I AM ON LINE 30. THAT'S THE THE ONE RIGHT THERE. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER. NOW I'M BACK TO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER SOME. WE STILL HAVE THIS ON HERE. OKAY.

WELL LET'S LET'S START WITH 53 AND 54, WHICH GO TOGETHER, WHICH IS THE FLEET TECH AND THE CAPITAL FOR THE FLEET TECH. I JUST DON'T SEE A PATHWAY FOR THIS THIS YEAR. I THOUGHT WE REMOVED THAT. WE REMOVED THAT LAST TIME. YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE FLEET TECH AND THE CAPITAL FOR THE FLEET TECH. OKAY. YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. WE SHOULD HAVE AN ASTERISK HERE BY THE CHILLER. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION THERE. HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE TODAY. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE DOWN TO THE CONSTABLES. I'LL SAVE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST FOR SOMEONE ELSE. BUT HERE'S WHAT I WOULD. THE CONSTABLES ARE ALL. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS BEING ASKED FOR IN HERE, AND I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THEIR. ASK FOR A PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE, WHICH IS. LOOKS LIKE A LINE. ITEM 58 REMOVES A PART TIME CLERK 59 ADDS A PART TIME

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THAT. GOT IT. WELL, IT WOULD BE UP TO TREY AND STEVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH THEIR DEPUTY AND TO CREATE A SCHEDULE THAT WORKS. AND MAINLY IT WOULD BE TO FREE THEM UP FROM HAVING TO BAILIFF. YEAH. AND FREE THEM UP TO GO DO THEIR JOB. SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING THEY'RE STUCK IN COURT. YEAH. I SAW THE BAILIFF, I THINK THE SAME WAY YOU SAW IT. AS YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT OF STUFF TO DO, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE STUCK IN COURT TO, TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION NUMBER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE. NUMBER 70 IS MOVING BASICALLY A LOT OF CHAD'S OVERHEAD INTO CONSTABLE FOUR.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLEAN UP ALL THE CONSTABLE STUFF, JUST INCLUDE KIND OF THAT. AND THAT WOULD MAKE CHAD GO TO ONE AND FOUR. AND AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I SEE RANDY EARL HERE. I SEE JUDGE NORTON HERE. I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT, BUT BUT MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET AS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LAND. SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE ASKS. I PROBABLY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT IF THE SMOKE WOULD CLEAR, AND WE WOULD KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE LANDING ON THE BUDGET. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I'M AGAINST. I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE HERE, I THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. IT DOES WORK, BUT THE MATH IS JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR ME RIGHT NOW. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I FRANKLY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. AND WE'VE ASKED I KNOW I'M SURE YOU'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY AND THEY'VE TOLD YOU WHAT THEY'VE TOLD YOU. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND THEY'VE TOLD ME WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME, BUT I'VE HEARD BOTH OF THEM STAND HERE AND SAY IN FRONT OF THIS COURT THAT SHARING A DEPUTY DOESN'T WORK. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK EACH OF THEM HAS REQUESTED BOTH STARTED WITH ASKING FOR MORE THAN THAT, ACTUALLY, BUT BOTH OF THEM HAVE REQUESTED A DEPUTY CONSTABLE. I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO RANDY EARL. IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WORKED FOR HIM WHEN I TALKED TO HIM. BUT ANYWAY, SO I THINK WITH A. WE SHOULD GIVE EACH OF TWO AND THREE A DEPUTY CONSTABLE AND REMOVE THE PART TIME CLERK AS COMMISSIONER LICHTY, COULD I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR ME,

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AND I AND I'M TRYING TO GET IT DOWN TO JUST ADDING ONE MORE PERSON AT THE 28 HOURS. NOW WE COULD ADD TWO AT 14 HOURS EACH. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHARE. BUT IT'S HARDER TO FIND SOMEBODY TO WORK THOSE FEW HOURS THAN IT IS TO FIND SOMEONE TO WORK. THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH THE COMBINED, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I ENVISIONED IT AS SOMEONE BAILIFF IN THEIR COURT DATES OR OPPOSITE SO THEY DON'T. THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE SHARING SOMEONE TO HELP THEM.

BAILIFF. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO. YEAH, WELL, I THINK THE MONEY'S THERE. SO ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE REMOVING. THE PART TIME CLERK FOR CONSTABLE TWO AND REMOVING THE PART TIME CLERK FOR CONSTABLE THREE AND ADDING A PART TIME DEPUTY FOR CONSTABLE TWO AND ADDING A PART TIME DEPUTY FOR CONSTABLE THREE. AND IF THERE IS SOME CLEANUP WE NEED TO DO ON ITEM FOUR, I'LL LET YOU DO THAT NEXT BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN ME. YEAH. APPROVED. UP TO HOW MANY HOURS OF PART TIME WORK? 28 EACH. YES. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE BUDGET. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THAT FAILS. 3 TO 2. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. SAME MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH WHAT I STATED PREVIOUSLY TO ADD TO REMOVE THE TWO PART TIME CLERKS FROM. TWO AND THREE AND ADD ONE PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE AT 28 HOURS TO SHARE, MAINLY TOWARDS BAILIFF AND NOT TO ADD A VEHICLE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

AND IT FAILS TO. AND THAT FAILS 3 TO 2, WHICH I KNEW IT WOULD BECAUSE I KNEW HE WASN'T VOTING FOR IT. OKAY, WELL, OKAY, I WANT TO I WANT TO FIND THE POINTS. WE AGREE. WHY NOT TRY AGAIN? NO, NO, I WANT TO FIND THE POINTS WE AGREE ON. WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE DEPUTY, BUT WE STILL ARE TRYING TO GET TO A BUDGET. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT, THAT WE REMOVE BOTH PART TIME CLERKS FOR CONSTABLE TWO AND CONSTABLE THREE FROM THE BUDGET. OKAY. I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION EVEN THOUGH JUDGE DOESN'T WANT ANY SECOND. WELL, YOU'RE ALLOWED A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GOT THERE. NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. AND I THINK THIS I THINK IT'S REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE THREE NO VOTES FOR THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS. AND AND I GUESS I GO BACK TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING IS BEING THE TRUTH, WHICH IS WHAT'S SO WEIRD IS THAT BAILIFF IN THAT COURT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT. AND THEN MOVING CHAD INTO FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT. BUT THEN WE HAVE CONSTABLE STAYING IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, WE CAN'T SHARE PEOPLE AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO GO TO THE STREETS AND WE AND WE NEED TO DO THIS. IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION. AND IT COULD BE THAT EACH CONSTABLE HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO TO LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THEM AS A GROUP. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THAT I WANT TO HELP THEM. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN A SOLUTION THAT GETS ME EXCITED TO SAY, YES, WE HAVE SOLVED THIS ISSUE. WELL, FRANKLY, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD STATEMENT BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING ADDING ONE PART TIME CLERK, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED DIRECTLY, CAN YOU SHARE? AND THE ANSWER WAS YES. AND NOW THE EXPERIENCE IS IT HASN'T WORKED WELL. AND THIS YEAR THE QUESTION IS ANSWERED. CAN YOU ASK CAN YOU SHARE? AND THEY SAY NO. SO THAT TELLS ME THAT MAYBE THE EXPERIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT THE SHARING DOESN'T WORK. I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE OF IT. I SAID, LET'S GET A LET'S GET A FULL TIME CLERK FOR ALL FOUR AND LET'S PUT THEM OUT THERE. LET'S GET A FULL TIME CLERK FOR ALL CONSTABLE'S. LET'S PUT THEM OUT THERE. AND THE ANSWER I ALWAYS GET FROM THESE FOLKS IS, NO, IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE SEPARATE ELECTED OFFICERS. SO. GREAT, GREAT, GREAT PERCEPTION, PERCEPTIVE STATEMENT THERE. BUT I THINK THE SOLUTION IS WHAT I PROPOSED. BUT WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH. YOU'RE GREAT, BUT THE SOLUTION IS WHAT I'VE PROPOSED. NO, I

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OKAY. IS THERE A WAY TO BUILD A STRATEGIC PLAN DASHBOARD AND REALLOCATE THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON THAT SOFTWARE FOR SOFTWARE LIKE THIS? WELL, I'M GOING TO LOOK I'M GOING TO LOOK AT CAMI. IS THERE A WAY? THERE MAY BE. AND HERE'S THE REASON THAT THAT THE QUESTION EXISTS.

THIS IS PUSHING INFORMATION, WHICH I THINK WORKS. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PULLING INFORMATION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WORKS, BUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE ON THEIR FINGERTIPS. AND I WONDER IF WE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT EXPERIENCE, I WONDER IF WE SIT THERE AND GO,

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YOU SHOULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOT QUITE READY FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT IT IS AMAZING WHERE THEY CAN GO. LITERALLY. THEY CAN CLICK ON THE ROAD PROJECT AND IT LANDS RIGHT ON THE MAP ON THE ROAD. HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT, ANY ANY INFORMATION ON IT, MAYBE THAT INDIVIDUAL COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD US A DASHBOARD LIKE THEY DID WITH THE ELECTIONS WHERE THE WAITING IN LINE ELECTIONS WEBSITE, MAYBE WE CAN TAP INTO SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS A FULL DASHBOARD. AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I STARTED ON THIS TRIP 21 DASHBOARD, AND I AM BLOWN AWAY BY HOW AWESOME IT IS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I THINK THAT THAT DASHBOARD ALREADY EXISTS IN, IN VISIO, CERTAIN WAYS TO INCORPORATE THE DATA. SO I AM NOT READY TO, TO END A END WITH VISIO BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T UTILIZED IT IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO. AND I POINT THE FINGER BACK AT ME AS MUCH AS I DO EVERYONE ELSE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A PIO OFFICER. HE IS. HE'S BEEN DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO KEEP OUR OUR CITIZENS INFORMED, BUT WE, THE TRADITIONAL AVENUES WE'RE USING, WE'RE FINDING THAT HE'S GETTING BLOCKED. SO THAT MEANS OUR CITIZENS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FORCE THEM TO COME TO OUR WEBSITE AND MAYBE BY DOTTED LINE TO IN VISIO WITH, YOU KNOW, OR TO THE TRIP. 21 SITE. SO I THINK, I THINK MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION IS KEY TO WHAT WE'VE ALL, WHAT WE ALL CAMPAIGNED ON. LET ME ASK A QUESTION AND IT IS A QUESTION. CAN WE COMBINE NIXLE AND PUBLIC INPUT INTO ONE. BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I'VE HAD WITH THIS FROM DAY ONE IS THAT, AND I'VE TALKED TO JIM ABOUT IT, I GUESS HE'S NOT HERE. I'VE TALKED TO JIM ABOUT IT IS WE GET ALL THESE NIXLE COMMENTS OR PUSHED NOTICES AND PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THEM. AND AS I UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING TO JIM, PUBLIC INPUT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR, WHICH IS GOOD MEANS YOU DON'T GET IT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT. BUT CAN WE USE COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM INSTEAD OF TWO? HE WAS HE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT OR DID YOU ASK HIM? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. SO THAT'S WHY I'M. I HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER TO THAT YET. OKAY, THEN I WILL FOLLOW UP ON IT. SO IF WE COULD DO THAT, THEN I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT PUBLIC INPUT. HAVE TEXTING THAT IS THE SAME AS NIXLE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES OR NOT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LET'S GET ONE SYSTEM THAT WORKS FOR OUR COUNTY INSTEAD OF TWO. WHAT IS NIXLE COSTING US? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S IT'S IN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT'S BUDGET, RIGHT? THE NIXLE. YEAH, IT'S REALLY CHEAP. IT'S REALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I BELIEVE IT'S REALLY INEXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ONLY DESIGNED TO WORK WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. CORRECT. AND IT'S A SEPARATE FUNCTION. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT.

AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE I'M GETTING TIRED OF ALL THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND TECHNOLOGY THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE THEM TOO. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE NIXLE IS REALLY DESIGNED AS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE ONLY. IT IS. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE OTHER THING IS HAVE AN AVENUE FOR ALL OF US TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS AND INTERNAL THINGS WITH FACEBOOK AND ALL OF THE OTHER NEXT DOOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT SEEMED TO BE DIFFICULT. I WOULD ALSO HOPE THAT OUR PIO HAS REACHED OUT TO OTHERS IN HIS POSITION THROUGHOUT THE STATE, TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE, BECAUSE I, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES GETTING SHUT DOWN ON FACEBOOK.

THERE'S GOT TO BE AN AVENUE FOR GETTING APPROVED TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF POSTS, JUST LIKE WE ALL DID FOR OUR CAMPAIGNS, HAS TO BE SIMILAR TO THAT, THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE YET. MAYBE.

BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER LICHTY COMPLETELY, I WOULD, I JUST DON'T AND WE'LL GET THE ANSWER. BUT I JUST WHAT I REMEMBER TALKING TO JARED ABOUT WITH NIXLE BECAUSE I WAS

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WE WERE WELL, WE WERE. BUT IF BUT IF WHY CAN'T IF WE CAN ALL USE PUBLIC INPUT, WHY COULDN'T HE. BECAUSE I IT BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT HOW MANY MESSAGES HE SENDS OUT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO PUT US. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT PUBLIC INPUT DOES. THE TEXT, WHICH IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE PART OF NIXLE. YES IT IS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES THAT OR THAT IT WON'T PUT US OVER SOME CAP. WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY.

BECAUSE HE SENDS OUT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF MESSAGES, ESPECIALLY IF FOR SOME REASON AROUND FLOODS AND YES. AND REAL BRIEFLY, JIM BARTOW WOULD BE HERE, EXCEPT HE IS REPRESENTING THE COUNTY AT HOME WARMING FOR STAFF SERGEANT WALKER AND FATE THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO JIM IS THERE. WELL, THEN WHAT I WOULD DO IS IF YOU GUYS. I WON'T MAKE A MOTION ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF THESE THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED ANSWERED. AND CAMI, I'M LOOKING AT YOU. MAYBE YOU AND I CAN HUDDLE UP AFTER TODAY'S MEETING AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO. I WANT TO ALSO BRIEF AND I AGREE, I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS KIND OF WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP WITH IN VISIO. I, AND I, OBVIOUSLY I SERVED ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I AM A HUGE FAN OF IT. I AM CAUTIOUS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, ESPECIALLY IN VISIO. IT'S BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET GOING. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT NOW'S NOT THE TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TRAINING, BUT IF WE'RE IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT COMMISSIONER STACEY SUGGESTED AND DO OUR OWN DASHBOARD, THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO PAY EVER INCREASING MAINTENANCE FEES FOR NOW MAY BE THE TIME VERSUS GETTING INTO IN VISIO AND THEN HAVING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE PUT INTO IT OVER TO A NEW SYSTEM. I WOULD JUST TAKE A LOOK. YEAH, IF IT CAN. ALL I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS DOES IT PROVIDE THE SAME REPORTING TO THE PUBLIC? AND IF IT CAN PROVIDE REALLY GREAT REPORTING TO THE PUBLIC, THEN WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S WE SHOULD GIVE IT A TRY. IT MAY NOT NEED INIZIO, BUT EITHER WAY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A VERY VIBRANT DASHBOARD THAT DOES WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN SOUGHT TO DO.

RIGHT? YEAH. AND I WOULD WANT TO INVESTIGATE HER THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO, BECAUSE IT MAY MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD HEADCOUNT. PERHAPS THE I GUESS WHAT KIND OF WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING IS SOMETHING BUILT AND THEN AND THEN EDITABLE. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE THE, THE TRIP 21 DASHBOARD THAT I THOUGHT WAS SO COOL. AND THE REASON I STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT IS IT'S BASICALLY A SQL WEBSITE. SO, SO IT TAKES A SPREADSHEET AND THEN IT POPULATES THE SPREADSHEET TO BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL ON THE INTERNET, WHICH MEANS THAT EVERYTHING IS EDITABLE. YOU CAN CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES, YOU CAN CHANGE THE WORK THAT'S DONE, YOU CAN CHANGE THE MESSAGING ALL ON ONE SPREADSHEET ONCE IT'S PROGRAMED, AND IT WOULD POPULATE INTO OUR WEBSITE, AND WE COULD DO IT AS AN INTEGRATED OR A SUB WEBSITE. I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS WE SHOULD EXPLORE IT. IT MIGHT BE NO, IT MIGHT BE. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBLE WAY WE COULD DO IT. I JUST DON'T THINK WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. WE DO HAVE TWO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT WHERE WE COULD SEND THEM, HEY, CAN YOU GET THIS UPDATED? YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT TEN DAYS? IT'S NOT LIKE VERY RARELY WOULD SOMETHING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN HAVE TO BE UPDATED IN TODAY.

LIKE YOU NEED TO DO THIS TODAY NO MATTER WHAT IT COULD BE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD SEND THEM INFORMATION, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LAG TIME, UPDATE THE WEBSITE, SEND OUT PRESS RELEASES, HEY, WE'VE UPDATED THIS, WE'VE UPDATED THAT. AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT COULD WORK. IT MIGHT NOT, MIGHT NOT IS THIS IS THIS ARENA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. ARENA. OKAY, OKAY. I'M MAKING NOTES. OKAY. SINCE WE BROUGHT UP NIXLE, I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY THAT EMERGENCY COORDINATOR JARED RAWSON IS IN PALO PINTO COUNTY FOR THE NEXT TEN DAYS HELPING WITH THE. YEAH, THE DISASTROUS WILDFIRES THEY HAVE GOING THERE.

AND JUDGE, AS I RECALL, NIXLE, I THINK IS PAID FOR THAT CRI GRANT THAT CITY. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. NOW THEY DID THREATEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO. HEY, WE'RE WE'RE GOING AWAY OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME FUNCTIONALITY. SO WE STARTED LOOKING AS EVERY OTHER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DID, STARTED LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS. AND THEN NIXLE SAID, NO, WAIT, NO, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, I HAVE ANOTHER ITEM THEN AND I'M JOHN FACT CHECK ME ON WHAT LINE ITEM IS, BUT I REALLY WANT TO REVISIT TREASURER DAVID PEAK'S EMAIL TO US YESTERDAY OR EXCUSE ME ON MONDAY IN REGARDS TO THE $75,000 FUNDING REQUEST FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY VETERANS MEMORIAL, THAT'S NOT IN THE REVISION SHEET, BUT BEG YOUR PARDON, IT'S NOT ON THIS SHEET, BUT YOU CAN STILL CONTINUE ON THE TRACK YOU'RE GOING ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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AND IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF TO ME, IT'S LIKE WE DIDN'T FULLY BAKE THE CAKE BY, BY NOT APPROVING THESE, THESE REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS WELL FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT. I MEAN, DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS THAT I MAYBE DIDN'T TOUCH ON? SIGNAGE? THAT WAS THE OTHER THING ON THERE TOO. THANK YOU JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. JUST REAL BRIEFLY, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH MENTIONED. AS I RECALL, WHEN WE STARTED THIS FOUNDATION, COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH AGREED TO BE KIND OF A LIAISON AND A POINT OF CONTACT ON BEHALF OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY VETERANS MEMORIAL FOUNDATION AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. IT WAS INTERESTING A FEW MINUTES AGO WHEN Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING THE ORIGINS OF THE COUNTY LIBRARY FROM 20 YEARS AGO, 25 YEARS AGO, AND HOW A LOCAL ORGANIZATION, THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, PURSUED THAT AND AND WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO GET THAT COUNTY LIBRARY APPROVED. AT THE SAME TIME THAT WAS HAPPENING, AN INFORMAL GROUP CALLED THE VETERANS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WAS LED BY LEE GILBERT AND MANY OTHERS THAT YOU ALL KNOW WAS IN PARALLEL, ALMOST TO THE EXACT SAME TIME, ADVOCATING FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL IN THE COUNTY.

AND SO THAT GOT BUILT, DEDICATED IN 2011. THE LIBRARY, I BELIEVE, OPENED IN 2008. SO THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR TIME FRAMES. AND SO WHAT HAPPENED IS Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY LIBRARY THAT'S 18 YEARS OLD. THAT NEEDS SOME TENDER LOVING CARE AND SOME FOCUS AND SOME STUDY. THE VETERANS MEMORIAL IS A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER DOLLAR AMOUNT.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, BUT IT HAS NEEDS SOME TENDER LOVING CARE. AND I APPRECIATE THE THE COMMISSIONERS VOTING BACK IN MARCH FOR $10,000 TO PARTNER WITH OUR FOUNDATION FOR THE BRICK PROJECT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG GAME WITH THAT VETERANS MEMORIAL. IT'S 15 YEARS OLD. IT'S STILL GOT LOTS OF ISSUES. THERE'S BEEN BIG IMPROVEMENT. KUDOS TO BARRY COMPTON'S STAFF FOR FOR GIVING THAT A LOT MORE ATTENTION BASED, BASICALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A SQUEAKY WHEEL WITH OUR FOUNDATION AND SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS THIS COURT AND THE COMMUNITY WANTED A VETERANS MEMORIAL 15 YEARS AGO. WE'VE GOT IT. AND BASICALLY THE COURT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE CHARGED WITH WITH MAINTAINING THAT FACILITY. AND WE DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO WALK SOLO. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN THE MEMORIAL WAS BUILT, YOU HAD A GROUP OF LOCAL VETERANS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS AND VOLUNTEERS WHO WANTED TO WORK ALONGSIDE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FUNDED ABOUT $500,000 FOR BUILDING THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND THEN, IF Y'ALL RECALL, ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL ADD ONS, THE NEW SPACE FORCE CREST, SOME OF THE PLAQUES HAVE BEEN PRIVATELY FUNDED. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MODEL THAT WE'RE KIND OF USING HERE. SO TO BRING THAT WAS JUST KIND OF TO BRING EVERYBODY BACK UP TO SPEED. THE ASK THAT WE INITIALLY PUT IN ON BEHALF OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL FOUNDATION WAS A TOTAL OF $75,000, OF WHICH $10,000 WAS FROM FOR SOME SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS A LITTLE BETTER TO TO HAVE HAVE A DRAW IN THAT $65,000 WAS ONE QUOTE FROM ONE COMPANY CALLED THE PERFECT LIGHT THAT WOULD TOTALLY OVERHAUL AND IMPROVE THE LIGHTING DOWN IN THAT VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE LARGE EMAIL I SENT, I FORWARDED IT TO THE ENTIRE COURT. INITIALLY, I SENT IT TO THE JUDGE WHEN HE WAS PREPPING THE FIRST DRAFT. THE.

THERE'S A LOT OF ATTACHMENTS THERE. A LOT OF THAT IS FROM THE PERFECT LIGHT, BUT THERE'S ONE SPREADSHEET IN THERE THAT SPECIFICALLY SHOWS THE STATUS OF THE LIGHTS DOWN AT THE

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I WOULD JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY REAL QUICK THAT I HAVE ASKED ERICA TO INCLUDE YOUR LIGHTING PROJECT WITH THE LONE STAR PROGRAM, LIGHTING PROJECT FOR THE OVERALL COURTHOUSE. SO AND I AND, AND IT'S PART OF THE COURTHOUSE GROUNDS. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE OKAY. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THAT DONE. I AGREE. SO I, I DO NOT THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OR OUT OF SOMEWHERE ELSE. I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET IT IN, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER YET. I JUST TEXTED ERICA TO FIND OUT IF SHE HAD FOUND OUT ANY INFORMATION BETWEEN WHEN WE ENDED COURT YESTERDAY AND AND THIS MORNING, WHICH IS NOT A LOT OF TIME. SO MAYBE NOT, BUT I, BUT I AM REALLY TRYING TO GET THAT INCLUDED IN THIS ALONG WITH THE CHILLER HERE IN THIS BUILDING. AND THERE'S SOMETHING I'M FORGETTING. BUT JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT REMINDER. SO REALLY THEN THE ASK IF AT THIS TIME WOULD JUST REALLY BE FOR THE, THE SIGNAGE AS WELL AS THE BATTLE, THE BATTLEFIELD CROSS, WHICH IS 15,000, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT BATTLEFIELD CROSS, THAT WAS KIND OF A LAST MINUTE DISCUSSION ON THE FOUNDATION BOARD BECAUSE WHEN WE REALIZED THE LIGHTING WAS WAS NOT IN THE FIRST DRAFT. AGAIN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS WE WERE KIND OF, OKAY, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE Q AND BUT AGAIN, I IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER GALLANT HAS FOUND US MAYBE HOPEFULLY A SOLUTION.

SO THAT'D BE GOOD. SO THEN I GUESS THE ASK IS JUST FOR THE THE 25,000 BEFORE DESCRIBE. GO AHEAD. NO NO NO NO. GO RIGHT AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT MONEY. SO GO RIGHT AHEAD.

DESCRIBE WHAT YOU WANT FOR A BATTLEFIELD CROSS. OKAY COMMISSIONER. IF YOU GO DOWN IN THE MEMORIAL AT THE BASE OF THE MEMORIAL, THERE'S A LARGE INSCRIPTION. IT'S CALLED THE LINCOLN QUOTE. AND BELOW THAT, YOU'VE GOT THREE STATUES. EACH ONE OF THOSE STATUES CONSISTS OF A PAIR OF COMBAT BOOTS, A RIFLE, AND A HELMET FROM THREE DIFFERENT MILITARY ERAS. WHEN THE ORIGINAL VETERANS MEMORIAL DESIGN WAS DISCUSSED IN THIS ROOM ABOUT 16 YEARS AGO, I WAS SITTING RIGHT BACK THERE. THE DESIGNER HAD WON BATTLEFIELD CROSS WITH THIS KIND OF A A BASIC SET OF BOOTS AND RIFLE AND HELMET. THE. THE COMMITTEE THEN. AND APPROVED BY Y'ALL'S PREDECESSORS, APPROVED GOING AHEAD AND ADDING THREE SETS OF BATTLEFIELD CROSSES FROM THREE DIFFERENT MILITARY ERAS, AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH ONES. I BELIEVE ONE IS A WORLD WAR ONE AND A WORLD WAR TWO, AND PERHAPS A VIETNAM ERA. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL ONE FROM AN ADDITIONAL ERA. BUT AGAIN, THE DISCUSSION IN THAT ASK WAS, WE DON'T HAVE A QUOTE FOR THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, THE FOUNDATION'S BOARD VOTED ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON. AND AGAIN, THAT THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE, NO PUN INTENDED. THAT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MEMORIAL IS GOING TO BE A LONG JUST LIKE THE LIBRARY, IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT FUNDED,

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AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR EFFORTS WERE PUT IN TO GET THAT GREAT QUOTE FOR THE LIGHTS. AND AGAIN, THAT LIGHT WAS THE LIGHTING DOWN THERE IS, IS, IS HURTING FOR CERTAIN. SO ALL THAT TO SAY, COMMISSIONER, I APOLOGIZE FOR RAMBLING, BUT $15,000 FOR THE NEW BATTLEFIELD CROSS, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT WOULD EVEN BE $15,000 OR THAT AFTER WE AFTER THE DUST SETTLES, THAT THE FOUNDATION BOARD AND THE COURT WOULD EVEN WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE. THAT WAS JUST TO TO SUBMIT A REQUEST TO HAVE IT BE WELL, I GUESS TO REPLACE ALL THREE. NO, NO, NO, NO, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A FOURTH. IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL ERA. I GUESS I WOULD MY ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED WITH PRIVATE DOLLARS. I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE THE EXCUSE ME, PART OF ONE THING I DIDN'T DIDN'T SHARE IS, AS THE FOUNDATION IS ASKING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DONATE THESE VETERAN BRICKS, THE FOUNDATION STARTED LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. WE STARTED FROM SCRATCH. THERE WAS ZERO FUNDING. WE ARE GRADUALLY GROWING THE COFFERS OF THIS PRIVATE FOUNDATION. OKAY? AND OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY AFTER THIS BRICK PROJECT IS IS DEDICATED AND COMMISSIONERS, I BELIEVE I INCLUDED THIS ON A PREVIOUS EMAIL, BUT SAVE THE DATE. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH, VETERAN'S DAY THE COMMUNITIES INVITED. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IS INVITED AT THE BIG COURTHOUSE VETERANS DAY. SAVE THE DATE AFTER WE GET THIS FIRST INSTALLMENT OF THE MEMORIAL BRICKS, THE FOUNDATION WILL HAVE FUNDING AND WE HAVE DONATIONS, AND WE WILL BE WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS AGAIN.

ADDING A MEMORIAL CROSS WOULD GO IN THAT CATEGORY OF, WELL, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ADDED HAS BEEN PRIVATELY FUNDED. ABSOLUTELY. HOWEVER, WE'VE GOT MAINTENANCE AND SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING THAT IS THE THAT IS PART OF THE FACILITY ITSELF. THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS THAT BE COUNTY FUNDED, APPROVED BY THE FIVE OF Y'ALL. SO ABSOLUTELY, IF IF IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT BATTLEFIELD CROSS WOULD BE BETTER LEFT TO THE FOUNDATION OR SOME OTHER PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. ABSOLUTELY. I TOTALLY GET THIS.

AND AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON WE REVISE THIS IS BECAUSE THE LIGHTING, WHICH WAS THE CORE PART OF OUR REQUEST, WAS NOT APPROVED IN THE FIRST DRAFT. AND THAT WAS A BIG ASK. IT WAS $65,000. SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. WELL, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS THAT I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE FUNDED WITH PRIVATE DOLLARS AND FOR FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT ONE OF WHICH IS THE IF THERE'S A CROSS, IT'S A SYMBOL OF CHRISTIANITY, WHICH I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF.

IF ANYBODY DOESN'T KNOW IT. AND I THINK THAT WE WILL HAVE LESS. WE'LL BE A STRONGER LEGAL GROUNDS. IF A CROSS IS FUNDED WITH PRIVATE FUNDS, JUST LIKE OUR TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT WAS FUNDED WITH PRIVATE FUNDS, AND THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT. I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. THAT'S SOMETHING I HAD NOT NOT THOUGHT OF. AND AGAIN, THE BATTLEFIELD CROSS WAS KIND OF A LAST DITCH EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE REQUESTS. SO SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MALIK, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THE $10,000 THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THAT BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR THE FOR THE SIGNAGE AND THE AND THE MISCELLANEOUS, THAT WAS THE COMMITMENT THAT THE COURT PROVIDED IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. IF THE 10,000 IS IS A COMMITMENT THAT WILL STAY BY THE COURT, I WOULD BE MOST THANKFUL. ON BEHALF OF THE FOUNDATION. AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GETTING OUR LEGS OUT FROM UNDERNEATH US. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WE WILL HOLD OFF ON THE THE I WILL HOLD OFF ON MAKING A MOTION IN REGARDS TO AN ADDITIONAL 15 FOR THE BATTLEFIELD COURSE, BUT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR THE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE 10,000 FOR THE SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS. ISN'T THAT ALREADY IN THE BUDGET? IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU JOHN. SO YOU AFFIRM IT. I'M AFFIRMING IT. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, JUDGE. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, WE DON'T NEED TO ADD THIS TO THE REVISION PAGE THEN, OR. YEAH, IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, THERE IS NO ACTION. OKAY. NO ACTION. NO. I MEAN, TO THE REVISIONS PAGE. I MEANT FROM ANYBODY. FURTHER ACTION. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. LET'S SEE THE OTHER ITEMS. I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT

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THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. AND NUMBER THREE IS DALLAS FORT WORTH. I KNOW, I KNOW, YEAH. THIRD FASTEST GROWING STATE BY AGGREGATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. SO I SHARE ALL THAT BECAUSE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND, AND I KNOW THAT THE FOR THE THREE, THERE'S THREE OF US THAT WILL BE STARTING OUR FOR OUR SECOND TERM FOR FOUR YEARS. SO I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR'S FY 27 BUDGET, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO BE FORWARD THINKING TO WHAT FY 28, 29 AND 30 ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN REGARDS TO THE THE TRENDS AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE BEING PROJECTED FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IN PARTICULAR THE DFW AREA. AND FROM A LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WE WILL START HITTING THAT TOPIC REAL HOT AND HEAVY. JUST BE PREPARED THAT THE, THE, THE, THE, I THINK THE APPETITE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S BEING COMMUNICATED FROM, FROM A STANDPOINT WITH OUR TEXAS LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES. AND IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SOME CHALLENGES FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, THERE WILL BE PROBABLY MORE UNFUNDED MANDATES OF THINGS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PAY FOR THAT. SO I JUST I CAUTION US ALL TO, TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE AFTER THE 90TH SESSION, WE REALLY VERY WELL MAY SEE CHANGES TO SOME OF THE THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT THIS COURT WILL HAVE IN OUR IN OUR IN OUR ABILITIES TO DO SO. THAT'S IT. I HAVE ONE SIMPLE THING BEFORE I ASK FOR US TO TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK. OKAY. CAN WE GO AHEAD? IF YOU TURN TO THE LAST PAGE OF THIS, I WAS ABOUT TO ASK THE SAME THING. I'M TRYING TO GET SOME NONCONTROVERSIAL THINGS PASSED, SO I WOULD LOOK AT ITEM 79 AND 80 AND SAY, CAN I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE INCREASE TO THE EZRA CONTRACT AND THEN TAKE OUT THE $700 LICENSE AS ERICA PRESENTED YESTERDAY. I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION BEFORE YOU, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, NOW PASSES 5 TO 0. DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAN UP THAT VEHICLE? I THINK I WAS ABOUT TO FOUND US A SMALLER NUMBER. OKAY. YEAH. LET'S WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP. I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VEHICLE FOR THE COUNTY ENGINEER UP TO A BUDGET OF 45,000. OKAY. BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION. I'M SORRY, CAN WE BUY THAT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE WITH HER BEING THE COUNTY ENGINEER? YEAH, AS LONG AS WE TAG IT. ROAD AND BRIDGE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO CAN YOU ARE YOU AMENABLE TO YOUR MOTION TO BE. YES, I'LL ACCEPT THAT. DOES THAT STILL GET US A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE? IS WHAT SHE WANTED. IT DOES. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW AND IT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. 85. YES. FIXING TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THAT ONE HANGING OUT THERE. JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE THE INCREASE TRANSFER FOR JUVENILE PROBATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES CURRENTLY 4 TO 0. NOW 5 TO 0. AND I WOULD ASK IF THE JUDGE COULD GIVE US A BREAK. YEAH. LET'S TAKE TAKE A ABOUT A 15 MINUTE BREAK. IT'S ALL RIGHT. AT 1049 WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE. WE ARE STILL ON AGENDA ITEM THREE. BE DISCUSSED AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2027 FIRST DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH, I BELIEVE YOU HAD THE FLOOR. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU FINISHED OR NOT. WELL, I'M GOING TO FINISH FOR NOW BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT WERE GOING TO BE BRINGING UP IN A FEW MINUTES, SIR. OKAY. CAN I

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FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. THAT IS OFTENTIMES FORGOTTEN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING. WE HAVE FOUR PRECINCTS. WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUAL AGENCIES. AND COMMISSIONER GOLOTA MENTIONED YESTERDAY THAT WE ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. 49% OF WHAT WE DO ARE POLICE DUTIES AND 51% IS CIVIL. SO WE'RE CERTIFIED IN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL LAW. ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE ARE IN THE SAME BUILDING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVED HERE? RIGHT, 7000 PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH THE GROWING PAINS. EVERYBODY IN THEIR BROTHER'S MOVING HERE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, AND WE'RE KNOWN AS THE A WEALTHY COUNTY, RIGHT? A WONDERFUL COUNTY WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE, INCLUDING ME. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE GROWING PAINS FOR EVERY OTHER AGENCY IN THIS COUNTY, THEY'RE UP HERE ASKING FOR THE SAME THINGS. THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE DIFFICULTIES TOO. BUT AS FAR AS THE QUESTION, WHY DO I WANT A PART TIME DEPUTY? I CAN, AND THIS IS NOT TO SAY I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING

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PRECINCTS OR THE TEN CONSTABLES IN COUNTIES SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE. ALL TEN OF THEM SAID THEY NEEDED DEPUTIES. TWO OF THEM WERE REJECTED DEPUTIES, BUT THEY WANTED THEM. NOBODY DID MOVE OUTS WITH WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR JOB. I BARELY UNDERSTAND IT SOMETIMES. WHEN WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, I HAD TO LEARN IT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A WRIT OF POSSESSION WAS. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE WRITS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. WHEN WE GET A WRIT OF POSSESSION, WHICH I'VE GOT 126 AS OF EIGHT, 25, AND ABOUT 20% OF THOSE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM OUT. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL LEAVE BEFORE WE GET THERE. SOME OF THEM WON'T. AND SOME OF THEM WE WILL HAVE TO LITERALLY MOVE THEM OUT. BUT THE FIRST THING WE DO WHEN WE GET THERE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING IT BY OURSELVES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PERSONNEL. WHEN I GET THERE, I GO UP WITH THE KEY, OPEN THE DOOR, AND I HAVE TO GO IN BY MYSELF AND MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THEIR JOB. IF THERE'S FURNITURE IN THAT HOUSE, THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD SOMEBODY IN THERE. WELL, JUST LIKE I JUST TOLD THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER IN GARLAND, TEXAS, WHEN WE WOULD RUN SEARCH WARRANTS, NARCOTICS, OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE BETTER PREPARED. RIGHT. PEOPLE WILL SHOOT YOU OVER A BAG OF DOPE, OVER $100 BILL, OVER A PURSE. YOU THINK THEY WON'T SHOOT YOU WHEN YOU'RE MOVING THEM OUT ON THE STREET? EVERYTHING THEY'VE HAD, EVERYTHING THEY'VE HAD IN THEIR LIFE AND BOUGHT. YOU THINK THAT'S NOT A REASON TO FIGHT SOMEBODY WITH WITHOUT A CRIMINAL RECORD? SO WHEN WE GO IN, WE HAVE TO CLEAR THAT HOUSE AND MAKE IT SAFE. JUST LIKE WE WERE EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT.

WE DO IT BY OURSELVES. RIGHT NOW, I'M ASKING FOR HELP BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD SOMEBODY TO DO IT WITH US, AT LEAST ENOUGH TO CLEAR THE HOME, AND THEN I COULD RELEASE THE DEPUTY AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE ARE CLOSE. ALL THE ALL OF THE CONSTABLES ARE CLOSE, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE DIFFERENT DUTIES. AND A LOT OF TIMES WE CANNOT COORDINATE.

THEY HAVE COURT, THEY HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AND WE TRY TO COORDINATE, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. THEY HAVE AN INCREASING WORKLOAD TOO. SO. I NEED HELP TO NOT ONLY DO THAT WHEN WHEN THE JP COURT GETS CASES BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS GROWING, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? MORE CASES COME IN. WELL, THAT'S MORE WORK FOR ME. I DON'T JUST WORK FOR THE JP COURT. I WORK FOR ALL OF THE COURTS. RIGHT. SO WHEN THOSE CASES COME IN, I MY WORKLOAD INCREASES NOT JUST IN THE FIELD. IT INCREASES IN THE COURTROOM BECAUSE THE COURT HOURS WILL INCREASE NATURALLY. SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH GROWING PAINS. I'M GOING THROUGH GROWING PAINS.

I'M ALREADY DOING 125% MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS CONSTABLE. AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS HE LEFT, I BELIEVE, WAS BECAUSE HE WAS OVERWHELMED. WELL, AND IF I CAN INTERRUPT YOU, STEVE, YOU YOU BRING UP AN INTERESTING POINT. AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE A HOMER HERE WHEN I SAY THIS, SO I'LL JUST APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL IN ADVANCE. YOU SAY YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PRECINCTS AND THERE WAS SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT ONCE. WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO AT 126 MOVE OUTS, WELL, YOU KNOW, 126 MOVE OUTS. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE A DAY. THAT'S NOT MUCH.

IT'S A LOT. I'M NOT MINIMIZING IT. BUT THE POINT ABOUT THE FOUR DIFFERENT PRECINCTS IS YOUR PRECINCT. MY PRECINCT IS HUGE IN SIZE, AND THERE'S HUGE TRAFFIC ISSUES GETTING FROM.

FOR YOU TO GO FROM HERE TO WILDWOOD IS A LONG DRIVE. IT'S PROBABLY CAN BE ON BAD DAYS, 45 MINUTES, AS CRAZY AS THAT SOUNDS, BUT IT CAN BE NOT USUALLY THAT BAD, OBVIOUSLY,

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SOMETIMES ONE WAY IS A 25 MINUTE, 30 MINUTE, AND THAT'S WITH NO TRAFFIC GOING TO SERVE A PAPER. NOW, CONSTABLE PARKS, HE'S GOT A LARGE AREA TO PRECINCT TWO RUNNING ACROSS THE LAKE. THAT'S A PROBLEM TOO. SO WE'RE ALL RUNNING INTO THOSE PROBLEMS. BUT THE PROBLEM FOR ME SHARING THIS CAME UP. YOU ASKED ME LAST TIME SHARING A DEPUTY. WE CAN KEEP PUTTING OUR FINGER IN THE HOLES, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF FINGERS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP. AND I'M ASKING FOR THE BARE MINIMUM. I'M ASKING FOR A PART TIME DEPUTY TO BE DEDICATED TO MY PRECINCT, BECAUSE CONSTABLE CHANEY HAS COURT ON TUESDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS AND SOMETIMES FRIDAYS. WELL, I HAVE COURT ON MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS AND SOMETIMES WEDNESDAYS AND SOMETIMES FRIDAYS. IT'S HARD TO COORDINATE THE USE OF A SHARED DEPUTY UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY USE THEM IN THE EVENING TIME TO SERVE PAPERS THAT WE COULDN'T DO IN THE MORNING TIME. SO IF WE MISS SERVING SOMEONE, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO GO OUT THERE AND SERVE THOSE FOLKS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO EVICTIONS, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE DAYS. THEY CHANGED IT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME TO WASTE. AND SO WE GET ON IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT'S JUST NOT FOR ME. IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO SHARE. DEPUTY. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF PRECINCTS SHARING DEPUTIES ANYWHERE, AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEING CONSIDERED HERE IS BECAUSE OUR OFFICES ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. BUT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL AGENCIES, WHETHER WE HAVE ONE CONSTABLE OR 20 CONSTABLES. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. COMMISSIONER LIEDTKE MENTIONED ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE GROWING. ALL OF THEM ARE GROWING. BUT I TALKED TO THE MAYOR IN MCLENDON, CHISHOLM, JERRY BREWER THE OTHER DAY, AND I WANTED A HARD NUMBER ON THE THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING IN 6100 HOMES WILL EVENTUALLY BE BUILT OVER A 10 OR 20 YEAR PERIOD. IF THE D.R. HORTON PROJECT GOES THROUGH. ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER 2600 THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 500 BY THE IKEA. THAT'S APARTMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL IN PRECINCT THREE. SO YES, WE NEED HELP. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ASKING TOO MUCH TO BRING A PART TIME DEDICATED DEPUTY TO MYSELF. AND, WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER CONSTABLES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS. WE ALL OF US NEED HELP, ALL RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH DEPUTY FOG. THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TO DECIDE. AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I NEED THE HELP. I NEED THE HELP IN COURT. I NEED HELP IN THE FIELD. AND IT'S NOT JUST SO THAT I CAN TAKE OFF. IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A VACATION. Y'ALL LIKE TAKING A VACATION? EVERYBODY DOES. EVERYBODY NEEDS A WEEK OFF. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WORK REASONABLE AMOUNT OF HOURS.

BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. OKAY? I TOOK FIVE DAYS OFF IN A YEAR AND A HALF, FIVE DAYS BECAUSE I WANT TO STAY ON TOP OF MY JOB. AND WHAT YOU'VE ASKED ME TO DO WHEN YOU APPOINTED ME, IT WAS AN HONOR. AND I STILL CONSIDER IT AN HONOR, AND I AND I'M HONORED TO BE SERVING AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. AND I WANT TO DO IT FOR A LONG TIME IN SOME CAPACITY. AND I WANT TO DO A GREAT JOB. SO MY PERSONALITY IS I COME TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY AND GIVE IT ALL I'VE GOT. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE, AND I WANT TO LEAVE MY PRECINCT BETTER THAN HOW I FOUND IT. 6100, 2900. APPROXIMATELY 10,000 ROOFTOPS WILL BE IN OUR PRECINCT. MY PRECINCT, OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS RIGHT NOW. AND I'M FIGHTING FOR THE FUTURE OF PRECINCT THREE, NOT JUST FOR CONSTABLE FRAZIER. I WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE WE HAVE CONSTABLES THAT WILL STAY

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THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE EITHER. BY THE WAY, WE ARE TO SUPPORT OTHER AGENCIES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I SAID. DAVID JONES, DEPUTY DAVID JONES YESTERDAY, A GOOD FRIEND, I WOULD CALL HIM. WE HELP EACH OTHER BECAUSE HE NEEDS HELP.

BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT AND WE CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY. BUT PART OF OUR JOB IS LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT'S NOT JUST SERVING PAPERS. WE TRAIN JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. WE ARE INDEPENDENT AGENCIES. AND LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING, THAT YESTERDAY I WAS KIND OF CAUGHT OFF GUARD. AND AND I LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I GO BACK AND REFLECT ON WHAT I SAID AND WHAT I WISHED I'D HAVE SAID. THE CONSTABLES HAVE EVOLVED. WHEN WE HAD 7000 PEOPLE. OR IN YOUR ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY, COMMISSIONER LITKE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU MOVED HERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVED IN THE COUNTY? AND IT WAS GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE TODAY.

WE HAVE TO EVOLVE. ALL OF OUR AGENCIES HAVE TO EVOLVE. JUST LIKE WITH A FIREARM. WE USED TO USE WHAT WE CALL WHEEL GUNS, REVOLVERS. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE BECAME OUTGUNNED. SO WE HAD TO EVOLVE AND WE MOVED TO SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. WE HAVE TO EVOLVE WITH SHIELDS, RIGHT? YESTERDAY WAS THE HOUSE BILL 33. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. SINCE I GOT THE COURT RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY WORRIES ABOUT SCHOOL CHILDREN. I DO TOO. WE ALL LOVE THEM. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO DIE FROM ACTIVE SHOOTERS. 13% IS THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK ARE CHURCH SHOOTINGS? 1%? 1%. SO WHERE ARE THE OTHER SHOOTINGS OCCURRING? PUBLIC VENUES, CLUBS, SPORTING EVENTS, WORKPLACE VIOLENCE. SO WHEN THE CONSTABLES ARE DRIVING AROUND FOR 75% OF THE TIME IN THE FIELD, WE'RE MONITORING THE RADIO. WE'RE PATROLLING, WHETHER PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT OR NOT, AND WE WILL RESPOND TO THOSE. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE, AND WE NEED THOSE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY. BUT IT'S NOT JUST FOR EVICTIONS. WHEN WE HAVE DIFFICULT EVICTIONS, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BASIC NEEDS FOR TODAY'S STANDARDS. WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PART TIME DEPUTY DEDICATED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A CONFLICT.

AND I THINK CONSTABLE CHANEY, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HIM THIS MORNING, BUT I THINK THE REASON HE SUGGESTED A PART TIME SHARED IS BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THAT'S ALL WE WERE GOING TO GET. WELL, I WANT TO ASK FOR MORE. I COULD HAVE COME TO YOU AND SAID, I NEED A FULL TIME DEPUTY. BUT IN GARLAND, A PART TIME OFFICER WORKED A PART TIME DEPUTY, WORKED BETTER FOR US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY BENEFITS, AND THEY CAME TO WORK HAPPY EVERY DAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T.

THEY DIDN'T WANT A CAREER. THEY JUST WANTED A PART TIME JOB. AND I COULD GET MORE EXPERIENCED OFFICERS THAT WAY THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TIME AS A TRAINING OFFICER TO TRAIN THESE DEPUTIES ON HOW TO BE A COP. THE BASICS OF BEING A POLICE OFFICER, THOSE YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME TO BE A CONSTABLE, I NEED YOU TO SERVE IN THE COURT AND TEACH YOU HOW TO DO BAILIFF DUTIES, AND I NEED YOU TO HELP ME IN THE FIELD SERVING PAPERS. ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE HAVE AN ACTIVE SHOOTER OR A DEPUTY NEEDS HELP. I KNOW THAT PERSON IS COMPETENT TO DO IT. YOU WANT A COMPETENT POLICE OFFICER, WHETHER WE'RE DEPUTIES OR WHETHER WE'RE CONSTABLES OR WHETHER WE'RE POLICE OFFICERS, ALL OF US ARE PEACE OFFICERS. ONE LAST THING. 1823 THE CONSTABLE'S CAME ABOUT, STEPHEN

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AND I'D BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR MANY YEARS. I GET IT NOW BECAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS APPOINTED ME, I LOOKED IT UP. I WENT TO CONSTABLE SCHOOL AND THEY TAUGHT THAT TO ME. AND I WAS ASHAMED THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. BUT WE ARE ALL PEACE OFFICERS AND WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF THAT. AND I WANT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY TO KNOW THAT THE CONSTABLES ARE PEACE OFFICERS JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, SOME OF US MORE THAN OTHERS, BUT WE HAVE SOME LONG TENURED CONSTABLES IN THIS COUNTY. THEY MAY NOT HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN BEING A STREET COP, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY IN SERVING WRITS OF POSSESSION AND CIVIL DUTIES SUCH AS THAT. AND THEY'VE WRITTEN TICKETS AND AND OTHER PERFORMED OTHER DUTIES.

SO I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE A SUPER COP. I'M NOT I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN ANYTHING.

I'M JUST EXPERIENCED. SO I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY OUT OF EXPERIENCE I EXPERIENCE. WE NEED THE HELP. AND WE ARE CONSIDERED A WEALTHY COUNTY. WE SHOULD GIVE OUR PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS SAFELY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CONSTABLE FRAZIER. THANKS A LOT. I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NUMBER ON I'LL JUST SAY LINE 65. I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS. THAT'S THE TRUE.

THAT'S THE COST FOR A PART TIME DEPUTY. WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE HOURLY PAY WITH WITH THAT IT SEEMS LIKE 30 SOMETHING THAT SEEMS HIGH. YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I ASKED ABOUT BEFORE BECAUSE I THOUGHT PART TIME MEANT 20 HOURS AND I WAS 28. I THINK IT MEANS 28. YEAH, I WAS THAT SEEMS HIGH THOUGH. WELL, THIS IS POPPING UP. WELL, I GUESS THERE'S 37, 50, 65 INCLUDES ALL THE 37, 50, 50 AN HOUR, 65 INCLUDES ALL THE LOAD, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S THE FULL TIME. IT'S THE FULL COST OF A CONSTABLE. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE, I'M SURE, CONSTABLE, WE WILL DO IT. I WOULD AGAIN MAKE THE SAME. A SIMILAR MOTION TO WHAT I MADE BEFORE MAY BE THE SAME THAT WE ADD A PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR CONSTABLE NUMBER TWO AND A PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR CONSTABLE NUMBER THREE. CAN I ASK FOR ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON YOUR MOTION? YES. ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR THE CAR AS WELL? BECAUSE IT'S IN. ARE YOU JUST ASKING FOR THE PERSON WITH YOUR MOTION? I'M JUST IF I NEED A CAR, YES I WOULD. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NO. ADDITIONALLY, AND IT'S.

CONSTABLE 399 20 ON LINE 66. GIVE UP YOUR LIBRARY FUND NOW SO I CAN FUND A CAR. OH, SO IT'S YOUR MOTION. I, AS I SAID, AS I SAID EARLIER IN THE DAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE I'M GOING TO HAVE MY STAFF REACH OUT TO THE LIBRARIAN AND TRY AND COME BACK WITH A BETTER ANSWER TOMORROW ON THAT TO RESPOND TO THAT. SO YOUR, YOUR YOUR MOTION. MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE LINE ITEM 59. DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR CONSTABLE TWO LINE ITEM 65. A DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR LINE ITEM FOR CONSTABLE THREE AND LINE ITEM 66. ADD GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE 2000. UNIFORM VEST AND BADGE 4000. AMMO AND FIREARM 1000. TELEPHONE AND AIR CARD 1000. ALTHOUGH I'D HAPPILY GET RID OF THE AIR CARDS, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THOSE TASER LEASE WHICH I TALKED TO FOR 920, BUT I TALKED TO SHERIFF AND THE SHERIFF IS WORKING WITH THE THE AUDITOR TO TRY AND GET THAT REDUCED, AND I THINK WE WILL IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND TRAINING $1,000 FUNDS FOR THE PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR A TOTAL OF $9,920 IS MY. SO IS THAT FOR ONE CONSTABLE? YEAH, THAT'S ONLY FOR ONE. SO YOU'D HAVE TO ADD TO THAT. OKAY, THEN WE'LL ADD LINE ITEM 72. ALSO 70 LINE ITEM 70. I MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO ADD A WHOLE NOTHER VEHICLE AND A

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AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A, A VERY CAPABLE FLEET DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN I MISS THINGS LIKE THAT, THE FLEET DEPARTMENT FLEET TEAM WILL PICK IT UP AND CORRECT ME AND THEY'LL BRING THAT. YEAH. I MUST MEAN FOR THE MOTION WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO APPROVE MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE LINE ITEMS. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY LACK OF CLARITY. EARLIER, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE LINE ITEM 58. LINE ITEM 59. WELL, I THINK 58 HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. 59.

61, 62. 63 WHICH WHICH ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. 65, 66 AND 7068 WOULD BE THE ADDITION.

ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE VEHICLE. AND. 68 THANK YOU. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT WE GET WHERE EVERYBODY HELPS TO GET THEIR THEIR MOTIONS RIGHT. I REALLY DO, BECAUSE I'M NOT AS WELL VERSED IN ALL THAT AS YOU ARE. RIGHT. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT. I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M ANTI SAFETY. IT'S BECAUSE I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE SMOKE'S GOING TO CLEAR ON THE BUDGET. AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND I'M TOTALLY FINE ACCEPTING THE VOTE. I'M NOT GOING TO RELITIGATE THE VOTE. I JUST WANT THE CONSTABLE'S HERE TO KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T ABOUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT. I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS EXACT WAY TO DO IT. ALL RIGHT, REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

AND IT PASSES 3 TO 2. AND, COMMISSIONER, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT INTENT.

SO. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE THINKS YOU'RE ANTI-LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND IF ANYONE DID, I WOULD CHALLENGE THEM. I DO HAVE I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. SO YOU GUYS JUST VOTED TO ADD A PART TIME TO CONSTABLE TWO, BUT HE DID NOT NECESSARILY ADD FOR THE ADDITIONAL STUFF LIKE. CONSTABLE THREE. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR IN THE MOTION BECAUSE WE STILL ARE MISSING THE CAR AND WE'RE MISSING ALL THAT ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT FOR TWO NOW. CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY IN THERE FOR ONE OF THEM. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER REQUEST OR TWO BY THE OTHER CONSTABLES, WELL, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING THAT HERE IN A SECOND. BUT I WANTED TO CLEAN THIS UP FIRST. OKAY. CAN CAN WE ALSO CLEAN IT UP THAT WE ADD A SHIELD AND A BATTERING RAM TO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS TO THE CAR, A BREACHING A BREACHING TOOL. THERE IS A THERE ARE TRAY DOES HAVE AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE. THERE'S. SO THERE'S. CHAD IS DRIVING IT.

IT'S NO. THERE'S STILL AN ADDITIONAL ONE. WHAT IT. SILVER. OKAY, SO THERE'S A CHECK ON THE CONDITION OF THAT THING TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT. I KNOW THE BATTERY DIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAYS VEHICLE BECAUSE WE APPROVED A NEW ONE FOR HIM AND HIS. NO, THERE'S A DIFFERENT ONE ON TOP OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. YEAH.

THERE'S THREE THAT HE HAS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE, WHICH IS WILD, BUT OKAY, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. SO LET'S, LET'S GO. THIS IS JUST FOR DRAFT TWO. YEAH. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DRAFT OF THE. WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO. SO YEAH. CAN WE CLEAN UP? CAN WE. YEAH, I WANT TO DO THAT. CAN WE MAKE A CLEANUP MOTION HERE FOR PRECINCT TWO FOR CONSTABLE TWO. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO. WELL, WE ALSO NEED TO ADD THE WHAT COMMISSIONER STACY RECOMMENDED WITH THE SHIELD SHIELD AND RAM FOR THREE. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD THE SHIELD AND RAM FOR BOTH DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S AND TWO AND THREE, AND THAT WE ADD A. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR VEHICLE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD. THE UNIFORM BADGE, AMMO FIREARM ETC. ALMOST LINE 66. SO JUST NEED TO BE ADDED. SECOND FOR CONSTABLE TWO. ALL RIGHT. AND I SECOND THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE VEHICLE OFF FOR NOW. SO WE HAVE THE MOTION. I'M GETTING TO YOU NEXT. DO WE COMMISSIONER. THERE WE GO.

PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. SO MY NEXT TOPIC THEN JUST TO KIND OF CLEAN UP ALL THIS CONSTABLE STUFF, HOPEFULLY IS THAT NOW WE HAVE CHAD OUT THERE BEING SHARED BETWEEN 1 AND 4. OKAY, SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME ACTUAL MOTION BY THE COURT BECAUSE WHEN WE ALLOCATED HIM, WE ALLOCATED NOT THAT IT'S NOT EASILY DONE, BUT WELL, I, I WOULD MOVE TO ASSIGN CHAD

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AND AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM. BUT I KNOW FROM MY PRIOR CONVERSATIONS WITH CONSTABLE PARKS AND HE'S HERE, SO I'M SURE HE'LL SAY WHAT HE WANTS. BUT HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HIS. IN PART OF MY THINKING WAS THAT HIS HIS PRECINCT FOUR AND BENEDETTO'S PRECINCT ONE WOULD SHARE CHAD FOG AND THAT THAT WOULD WORK OUT. WELL, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME IN THE PAST, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. THEY'RE GOING TO SHARE. BUT TWO AND THREE CAN'T SHARE. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO. SO YOU'RE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FOUR. YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE CHAD INTO FOUR. AND THEN THEY CAN WORK IT OUT AMONGST THEMSELVES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. MOVE ALL THE BUDGET RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT DEPUTY CONSTABLE INTO FOUR CONSTABLE PARKS AND THEN CONSTABLE PARKS CAN DO WITH WHAT HIS DEPUTY WHAT HE WILL. CORRECT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE MOVING THIS DIRECTION, THEN THAT'S THE DIRECTION I WANT TO MOVE. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR ONE TO NEED TO ADD SOMEBODY, IF THEY HAVE A NEED, THEN THEY CAN ADD THEIR OWN. BUT I DON'T THINK WE ADD SOMEBODY FOR TWO AND THREE SEPARATELY AND THEN LEAVE SOMEONE ELSE SHARING. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD WORKED. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CHANGES ANYTHING ON CHAD. I'VE BEEN TOLD ALL ALONG WAS RIGHT BY THE BY THE CONSTABLE'S. WAS THAT JUST LIKE WE SHARED LAST YEAR, THEY WERE ABLE TO SHARE ONE AND FOUR. SO BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, IF THEY NEED PEOPLE, THEN WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CONSTABLES. WELL, YEAH, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY IT. SO IS THERE A MOTION FLOATING AROUND THERE ANYWHERE? THE WAY THE I MY NOTES SAY THAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED NUMBER 70 ON THE THE ACTION THAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY INITIATED. HE SAID, YES, THAT WAS THAT WAS PART OF MY MOTION. 70 WAS PART OF MY MOTION. BUT EVERYTHING THAT SAID, PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN CONSTABLE ONE AND CONSTABLE. NONE OF THESE MOTIONS THAT WE MAKE ARE BINDING UNTIL THE BUDGET'S FINAL. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDO THAT BASICALLY BY SAYING IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. AND I'M GOING TO LET CONSTABLE PARKS COME UP AND AND TALK TO. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSTABLE'S THE LAST TWO DAYS, BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU DO GO THAT ROUTE THAT CHAD COMES WITH ME, THEN HE HAS A VEHICLE THAT'S UNDER TREY'S DEPARTMENT. AND THE WAY WE TALKED, WHEN CHAD COMES WITH ME, THAT CAR WILL COME ALSO, AND Y'ALL ARE VOTING ON GIVING THEM TWO MORE CARS DOWN THERE FOR TWO AND THREE. ONE OTHER THING IS THERE'S HOW MUCH IS IT? $5,100? 59, 50, 5950 THAT WILL BE NEED TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE ALL OF HIS UNIFORMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LISA CAN TELL YOU ALL OF IT WAS IN FUND 51 LAST YEAR. I NEED THAT TO COME TO ME ALSO, IF HE'S GOING TO BE UNDER FOUR AND VOTED ON THAT ALREADY, YOU ALREADY DID. OKAY. YOU ALREADY VOTED ON IT. ANOTHER THING IS, WHEN HE COMES SOLELY WITH ME, I'M GOING TO TRANSFER HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT BY LAW. IF HE'S WITH ME, WITH TCOLE, I'VE GOT TO TRANSFER THAT OUT OF BENEDETTO'S DEPARTMENT INTO MY DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A GUY THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER ME HELPING TWO MEN, TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. I THOUGHT HE WAS UNDER. UNDER. NOW WHAT? WHO'S WHO'S UNDER BENEDETTO RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS JUST COVERING HIS LAW. BUT HE'S COVERING FOUR PRECINCTS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. WELL THAT IS BUT IF YOU COME INTO ONE THEN IT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED UNDER THAT ONE. AND THAT'LL BE REAL EASY FOR ME TO DO. YEAH, I JUST I UNDERSTAND I HOLD HIS COMMISSION, BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO THAT IF YOU SHARE, YOU CAN'T. NO. IF YOU SHARE, THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. BUT BECAUSE HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT IS CARRIED UNDER BENEDETTO AND YOU CAN SHARE. BUT ONCE YOU GO INTO ONE AND YOU'RE NOT WITH ALL

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I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE SHARING WASN'T WORKING. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE REASON WHY YOU WENT THE DIRECTION YOU DID WITH TWO AND THREE AND SOMEBODY I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A JUDGE OR YOU SAID THE SHARING PROVED NOT TO WORK VERY WELL. I PERSONALLY MY PERSONAL OPINION, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE GIVEN IT A GOOD EFFORT TO SHARE. AND A LOT OF IT GOES BACK TO SOMETHING THAT CONSTABLE FRAZIER MENTIONED. WE ARE EACH OUR OWN DEPARTMENT AND EACH OUR OWN ENTITY, AND IT CREATES SILOS AND AND YOU'RE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO BE IN CHARGE OF YOURS AND YOU WANT TO RUN YOURS HOW YOU WANT, AND ACTUALLY HAVING TO SCHEDULE TIME WITH THE SUBORDINATE KIND OF GOES AGAINST THE IDEA OF YOU RUNNING YOUR OWN DEPARTMENT. YEAH. WELL, AND, AND WHAT I'D ALWAYS HEARD UNTIL TODAY IS THAT IT DID WORK AND THAT THIS, IN FACT, I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU WITH OFFICER OR CONSTABLE CHENEY, WITH CONSTABLE FRAZIER, WHERE THIS WAS THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE. BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU GUYS NEED TO TELL US. I MEAN, I'LL GO BACK TO CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN JUNE, WHICH WAS TELL US HOW TO FIX IT.

AND BUT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD UNTIL TODAY IS THAT SHARING BETWEEN 1 AND 4 WORKED. AND WE DID TRY TO DO IT WITH FOUR. AND I ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION LAST YEAR, CAN WE SHARE. AND THE ANSWER WAS YES. AND AS JUDGE POINTED OUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAYBE HADN'T WORKED AS WELL AS IT COULD. BUT WHAT, FROM WHAT YOU TOLD ME BEFORE, THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH OFFICER BENEDETTO. AND I ASSUME YOU'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. I CAN DO IT WITH HIM UNDER ME. OR IF Y'ALL, IF YOU WANT TO DO SHARE THEM WITH ONE AND FOUR, THAT'S FINE. BUT WE'RE THE PROBLEM. COME THIS LAST YEAR, WHEN I WANTED HIM UNDER ME LAST YEAR. BUT Y'ALL PUT HIM HELPING ALL OF THEM AND WHERE THE PROBLEM CAME IN, I JUST TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I TALK, IS THAT IF IF YOU'RE A CONSTABLE AND YOU NEED BENEDETTO, I MEAN, YOU NEED CHAD, HE'S NOT GOING TO WALK UP TO YOUR OFFICE. YOUR OFFICE? HEY, YOU GOT ANYTHING TODAY? CAN I HELP YOU? CAN I YOU'VE GOT A THEY'VE GOTTA GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. AND THAT WASN'T BEING DONE. OKAY? THAT WASN'T BEING DONE TO THE MOST. IT COULD BE DONE. AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I'M I'M, I DON'T KNOW, INTERESTED WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT. SO LAST YEAR THE SOLUTION WAS YEP. THE ONE GUY THAT ALL FOUR SHARE. WELL, THIS YEAR THE SOLUTION IS, HEY, ONE GUY, MAYBE TWO OF US SHARE AND WE EACH GET OUR OWN I. IS THAT THE SOLUTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE SOLUTION LAST YEAR. CLEARLY NOT THE SOLUTION. SO IS IT THE SOLUTION THIS YEAR? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK PART OF WHAT COMMISSIONER LICHTY MENTIONED ALSO WAS THE SAFETY CONCERN ABOUT AND AND CONSTABLE FRAZIER KIND OF ECHOED THAT BY SAYING THAT ONE PERSON GOING TO KNOCK ON THESE DOORS FOR WRITS WAS NOT SAFE. AND IT WAS A CONCERN FOR COMMISSIONER LICHTY.

SO IF IT'S A CONCERN FOR TWO AND THREE, THEN I WOULD SAY IT'S THE SAME CONCERN FOR ONE AND FOUR. YET WE'RE SAYING TWO SEPARATE THINGS. WE'RE SAYING, WELL 1 IN 4 COULD SHARE, BUT 2 IN 3 CAN'T. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE GOING? WE'RE LIKE CREATING SOME WEIRD HYBRID. THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I GO A DIRECTION I ASKED. MY COMMENT WAS MADE BASED UPON DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONSTABLE'S, AND I JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, TELL US BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED. IT'S NOT BASED ON SOME GREAT IDEA. I'M NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONAL. I DON'T KNOW IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. BUT WE TRIED SOMETHING LAST YEAR THAT APPARENTLY PEOPLE HAVE HAD A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULTY THAN WE EXPECTED WITH, AND MY MOTION WAS BASED UPON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THESE GUYS. IF THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, IF WE WANT TO JUST GO, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO STAFFED EQUALLY. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. BUT I HAD ALWAYS HEARD THERE WERE A LOT LESS EVICTIONS IN PRECINCT ONE, FOR EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S YOUR PRECINCT. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. SO THE SOLUTION COULD BE TO APPROVE LESS HOURS IN ONE MINES. MOST OF THE IN THE AREA WITH ONE OTHER PRECINCT, I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL REAL CLOSE. TWO AND THREE AND FOUR ON ON THOSE PAPERS. WE GOT

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THIS AMOUNT IS FOR ADDITIONAL UNIFORM BOND TRAINING FOR THE PART TIME DEPUTY. SO WE MIGHT NOT NEED AS MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO LINE 66. WHEN WE SAID LET'S MULTIPLY THAT TIMES TWO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WE REDUCED THE GAS. OIL MAINTENANCE FOR CONSTABLE TWO BY HALF, SINCE IT WILL MOVE OVER TO CONSTABLE FOR THAT'S LINE 62, LINE 65. WE ADDED THE PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE. LINE 66 IS THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING GAS OIL MAINTENANCE FOR THAT PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR CONSTABLE THREE LINE 68 ARE THE ADD ONS FOR A SURPLUS OF VEHICLE THAT WILL COME FROM CAPTAIN BROWN, IS WHAT CONSTABLE FRAZIER MENTIONED TO ME AND 70 IS INCREASING. CONSTABLE FOR GAS. OIL MAINTENANCE FOR THE PART TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE. CURRENT TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN 1 AND 4. AND SO CAN WE JUST APPROVE 67 FOR TWO AND THREE SO THAT THEY HAVE AMMO AND RANGE? YES. I MEAN IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT CAN WE DO IT SO THAT IT'S SO THAT IT'S ALL DONE. LET'S SEE. LET'S VOTE ON THAT. AND I THINK YOU NEED TO ADD A TASER LEASE AS WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TASER LEASE IN NUMBER THREE.

CONSTABLE THREE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN TWO. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO WHAT LISA JUST SAID, THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S A TASER TASER LEASE AND THAT WE HAVE FIREARM AND AMMO RANGE IN BOTH TWO AND THREE FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEES. NOW WE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO WE ARE CLEANING STUFF UP HERE. WHAT I WANT TO ASK OF YOU, RANDY, WHEN YOU SEE THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. YES. CAN YOU GO THROUGH IT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN? WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN JUST CLEAN UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DID IS REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. I'M JUST ASKING THAT OF YOU AS A FAVOR.

IF YOU COULD BE ALL OVER IT. OKAY, COMMISSIONER. WHAT? WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? I GOT NOTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. OKAY, COMMISSIONER. STACY, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? OKAY. I'M. LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT TYLER FOR A MINUTE. I'M GOING. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME SOME BIGGER THINGS, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LUNCH BREAK, OR MAYBE WE'LL JUST GET INTO ANOTHER GREAT DISCUSSION. THE CURRENT BUDGET AS WRITTEN, TYLER IS COMING FROM FY 26. JUST SO YOU KNOW, COMING FROM BUDGETED BUT NOT EXPENDED FUNDS. SO THERE IS A FUND TRANSFER FROM FY 26 THAT IS FUNDING. TYLER IN TOTAL, THAT'S HOW THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS WRITTEN. I'M JUST THAT'S JUST A FACT. SO WE WERE NO MATTER WHAT GOING TO GO INTO THAT MONEY, RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DIVE. BOBBY. I AND FRANK JUMPED INTO IT REALLY HARD LAST YEAR. SO SO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE JUST PREEMPTED IT. THEY JUST JUMPED INTO THE UNUSED MONEY. SO WE CAN SAY, THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S BAD, THAT'S INDIFFERENT. BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT WE WERE GOING TO GRAB THAT MONEY ANYWAY. SO THAT SO I'M SAYING WE SAYING THAT I'M I GUESS MY POINT IS WE COULD SAY, WELL, IT'S AN ONGOING EXPENSE. WE SHOULDN'T GRAB IT FROM FY 26. THAT'S FAIR.

BUT WE WERE GOING TO GRAB IT ANYWAY. SO LET'S JUST CONTINUE WITH THAT TREND BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE BUDGET WAS WRITTEN. BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, WE WEREN'T GOING TO RAISE ANY TAXES UNTIL WE KNEW THERE WAS NO MORE MONEY TO GRAB FROM FROM FY 26. I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY $1.1 MILLION. IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED AT 800,000.

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CLOUD GAVEL IS INCLUDED, SO WE CAN TAKE IT OFF OF THIS REVISION LIST AND JUST PUT IT INTO TYLER, GRAB THE FUND BALANCE AND MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO START WITH ON THE TYLER SIDE. AND THAT'S THE 43,200 YOU'RE REFERRING TO. CORRECT. SO SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS BECAUSE TYLER IS I JUST DEAL WITH IT SO MUCH. IT'S NOT A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ME. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE WHAT I WANT, WHAT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, IS THAT WE REMOVE CLOUD GAVEL FROM THE REVISION SHEET, INCLUDE IT IN TYLER, AND ASK THE AUDITOR TO FIND FY 26 MONEY TO FUND THE FULL TYLER AMOUNT. SO WE WOULD BE ASKING HER TO FIND AN ADDITIONAL $300,000 VIRTUALLY IN 26. YEAH, I HAVE I HAVE 800 THAT WE'VE ALREADY FOUND. AND THE 800 IS, YEAH, TO GET TO A TOTAL OF 1.1, THE 800 WAS A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE SCOURING OF, OF. BUDGETED BUT NOT SPENT. THAT 800 IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET. THE THE AMOUNT IS IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. YES IT WAS. YES. WHERE IS IT SHOWN? IF YOU TURN TO THE TYLER FUND. HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

I'M GETTING THERE. PAGE 93. YOU WILL SEE A LINE ITEM 0.8437001 OTHER FINANCING FROM FUND BALANCE. OKAY, WHERE DID MY. TYLER. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE 800,000 THAT YOU HAVE EXTRA LEFT OVER FROM FISCAL YEAR 26. YES. AND THE ACTUAL NUMBER SO I CAN READ IT INTO THE RECORD IS $1,151,075. OKAY. AND THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM ELENA. AND THIS IS THIS MONEY, LISA, IS THIS MONEY THAT CAME FROM A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. A LOT OF. YEAH, UNFILLED POSITIONS IS, IS WHAT IT PRIMARILY IS. IT, IT WAS PERSONNEL COSTS. AND TWO OF THE LARGEST DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD UNFILLED POSITIONS. YOU'RE CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

THAT WAS THE 800,000 I. YEAH. NOW AND REMEMBER YOU BUDGETED TO HAVE A DEFICIT DEFICIT BUDGET FOR FY 26 BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WERE USING $1.5 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE. SO IF HOPEFULLY I FIND IT FROM SOME FROM COST SAVINGS IN FY 26, BUT I. IF NOT, THEN WE, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A DEFICIT. FINE. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU BUDGETED TO DO. BUT SO I'M HOPING TO FIND IT FROM SAVINGS TO, TO COMMISSIONER STACY'S POINT. AT THIS POINT, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN FIND THE 300,000. I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING FOR 300,000 MORE. AND WHAT'S THAT FOR? CLOUD GAVELS. NOT THAT. NO, NO, NO, IT'S BECAUSE TYLER WAS UNDERFUNDED IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. EVEN WITHOUT CLOUD GAVEL. IT WAS. IF YOU RECALL, WHEN I SAW THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT IS TYLER HAS TO BE WRONG. AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE. AND NOW THE WE FOUND THAT THAT THE ACTUAL FUND BALANCES $1.15 MILLION. WELL, WELL, TWO COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

FIRST OF ALL, IF IF WE CAN FIND THE MONEY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THE SECOND COMMENT IS I'M STILL DON'T WANT TO ADD CLOUD GAVEL. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

WELL, FAIR ENOUGH. BUT BUT BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING IS I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WANT IT TO FEEL I JUST WANTED TO DO LIKE ONE MOTION UP OR DOWN TO DO IT AND INCLUDE CLOUD GAVEL, MOVE IT OVER, MAKE THIS WORK. IF IT FAILS, WE CAN GO FROM THERE. WELL, LISA, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, I HAVE BEEN BRINGING FORWARD SOME AREAS THAT THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME SHORTAGES. AND ONE OF THEM WAS JUVENILE PROBATION THAT THEY CAME AND SPOKE TO YOU. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY CONTINGENCY IN THE GENERAL FUND HAS, I THINK, BEEN USED TO THE POINT THAT THERE'S ABOUT 300,000 LEFT IN IT. AND BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE TAKING THINGS THAT RUN OVER FROM, YOU

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MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF ITEMS THAT ARE OPEN ON THIS BUDGET AND WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IS BOBBY SAYS HE CAN THINKS HE CAN FUND THAT $400,000 WITH HIS LOAN, WHICH WOULD BE FABULOUS, JUST UNTIL WE GET IT MORE IN, MORE IN SHIP SHAPE WHERE WE KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET IS GOING TO BE. I'M JUST KIND OF RETICENT TO SAY, LET'S TAKE $1 MILLION OUT OF FUND BALANCE, BECAUSE IF WE HAD IF WE IF. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU, ARE YOU OKAY REDUCING OUR FUND BALANCE BY A MILLION. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THIS MOTION? WE HAVE A TAX RATE SET IN THIS BUDGET AT 0.28 FOR THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. CAN WE JUST CAN I MAKE THE MOTION THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, TO, SAY, AUDITOR'S OFFICE FUND THE DA'S OFFICE AT $1 MILLION, EVEN FROM FUND BALANCE OR CONTINGENCY BASED UPON THAT TAX RATE, TO GET US TO A SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THEN WE AS A COURT CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO SET THE TAX RATE ON THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, AND HERE'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET THE MONEY. IF YOU'RE NOT AMENABLE TO THAT, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO MY OTHER MOTION. WELL, I, I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S TAKING MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE. AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND EVERY YEAR WHEN I WAS IN THE CITY, IT WAS ALWAYS A HUGE ISSUE. I BEFORE I SAY, LET'S TAKE MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT ON OUR BUDGET. AND SO TO ME, I WOULD WAIT ON THIS. NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THE HOW MANY MONTHS

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WE'RE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY. I'M HOPING WE CAN GET THERE. I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTINGENCIES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT THE FUND BALANCE IS, IS, IS HEALTHY ENOUGH THAT WE COULD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO ABOUT THE 660,000, TO BE HONEST. I THINK WHAT I WANT IT TO BE IS ON THE REVISION SHEET OF THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, SO THAT WE CAN FOCUS IN ON HOW WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT TASK. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS FUNKY, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH SMOKE THAT HAS TO LAND THAT WE'VE DONE TODAY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION MAKES THE MOST SENSE. I DO WANT THE COURT TO KNOW THAT THAT PROJECTION DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT YOU ALL TO BE VERY CLEAR ON, ON THESE DECISIONS. NUMBER ONE, IT DOES INCLUDE US DOING A 10% INCREASE ON THE FTES THAT BOBBY BROUGHT OUT EARLIER OF ALL THE FULL TIME EQUIVALENT PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A 10% INCREASE. WE VOTED ON THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE REVISED. THAT'S THAT'S A ALMOST A $540,000 INCREASE FOR OUR INSURANCE FUND. IT INCLUDES DOING A 4% INCREASE TO OUR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THAT REVENUE IS NEEDED IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT. WE DID A POLL. WE DID A SURVEY, WHAT, 18 MONTHS AGO, OUR EMPLOYEES ASKED US TO BE VERY UPFRONT AND DO INCREMENTAL CHANGES. SO IF WE SEE BIG CHANGES COMING, THEY WANT INCREMENTAL CHANGES. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD EAT THAT 4%, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEXT YEAR IS WITH THESE RISING COSTS.

SO WE ARE MODELING THAT TO BE A 4% INCREASE ON MEDICAL, A 4% INCREASE ON DENTAL. FOR THOSE REVENUES TO GO INTO THIS FUND. AND THEN THAT FUND IS SITTING $660,000 SHORT. WE CANNOT GET THAT MONEY FROM THE EMPLOYEES AS A MATHEMATIC PROBLEM. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S NOT ENOUGH EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS WITHOUT US BLOWING UP THE WATERS. I DO THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY TO CREATE THAT SHORTFALL. MY STRATEGY WOULD BE TO DO ANOTHER 10% ON THE EMPLOYER SIDE NEXT BUDGET. AND I THINK ONCE WE DO THAT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE RAISE THE RATES ENOUGH THAT OUR EXPERIENCE, OUR CLAIMS AND OUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE AT A LEVEL WHERE THEN WE CAN LOOK AT AND GO, OH, WE'RE GOING TO GET A 5% INCREASE. WE CAN DO A 5% INCREASE. SO WHAT WE'RE CATCHING UP TO AN UPTICK IN CLAIMS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REAL AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NOT REAL. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS I'M TRYING TO FUND IT TO WHAT WE CAN SEE AND HOPE THAT WE'RE OVERSHOOTING. AND SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO NEXT YEAR, WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THAT INSURANCE. THAT'S THE HOPE. OKAY. SO THE BIG DECISION TO BE MADE THERE, A COUPLE OTHER BIG DECISIONS AND I WANT TO VISIT WITH THE COURT. YOU KNOW, STARING AT

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NO WE'RE NOT. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. HOW ABOUT THE. YEAH. ME TOO. THE COUNTY CLERK. I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE GOT IT. OKAY. ONE. ONE OTHER BIG ITEM IS LEGAL FEES. YEAH. YEP. OKAY. SO THEN MY QUESTION TO YOU. WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW. DO WE WANT AT 9 A.M. 9 A.M. DO WE WANT TO COME BACK AFTER LUNCH, OR DO WE WANT TO GIVE OUR AUDITOR TIME TO CLEAN ALL THIS UP, GET IT BACK TO US, AND COME BACK TOMORROW? WELL, LET ME ASK THIS. IF WE GET THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE THINGS AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR THE SECOND DRAFT, DO WE? AND WE DO THAT TODAY. DO WE EVEN NEED THE MEETING TOMORROW? WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY GOAL. IF WE CAN GET TO A SECOND DRAFT.

SO I WOULD RATHER DO IT TODAY AND NOT HAVE THE MEETING TOMORROW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME. LET ME TEXT THE SHERIFF BECAUSE HE DID LEAVE. IF HE CAN COME IN THIS AFTERNOON IS OUR NEXT MEETING. AND HE SAID HE WOULD. HE HAD A MEETING AT THE ISD AND I TOLD HIM WE WEREN'T GOING TO TACKLE HIS STUFF. IF WE DON'T MEET TOMORROW, WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING? WHEN DO WE HAVE THAT? TENTATIVELY? TUESDAY. THE FIRST. TUESDAY THE FIRST. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THURSDAY ALSO. RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, TENTATIVELY, TENTATIVELY. AND THEN NO, THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK. AND THEN THE EIGHTH IS THE EIGHTH IS WRAP IT UP IS REQUIRED, I BELIEVE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP IT UP, THAT'S THE END. WE HAVE TO APPROVE A FINAL BUDGET ON THE EIGHTH. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I'M I'M REALLY INDIFFERENT. I DON'T CARE IF WE MEET THIS AFTERNOON OR IF WE MEET TOMORROW. SO WE MEET BOTH. COMMISSIONER GILANI, YOU WERE KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON VISITING WITH THE CLERK ABOUT ADDITIONAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

CAN WE HAVE THAT TODAY OR. NO. WE CAN. OKAY. SO THAT'S WORTH WORTH MEETING AFTER LUNCH. AND THEN THE I, I'M THINKING ON THE CHILLER. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUR BEST EDUCATED GUESS ON, ON, ON THE CHILLER. YEAH. I'M WAITING FOR ERICA TO, AND I THINK SHE'S ON POTENTIALLY GOING. IS SHE ON VACATION OR GOING, OH, SHE'S AT A CONFERENCE. YES. SORRY. YEAH.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SHE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND, BUT I HAD ASKED HER TO TRY TO RUN THAT DOWN FOR US. SO LET'S DO THIS. IT IS ALMOST 12:00 NOW. LET'S TAKE AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR LUNCH, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK HERE AT 130 AND, AND WITH, WITH THE INTENT TO TRY TO GET TO THE SECOND, SECOND DRAFT. AND, AND WE'RE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE AT THIS POINT.

YEP. SO AT 1158, WE ARE ADJOURNED READY? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE.

REGULAR. OUR SPECIAL MEETING. WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM THREE. B DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2027 FIRST DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONER GALLINA GOT TO THE BUTTON FIRST. WELL PLAYED SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO I WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COUNTY CLERK THINGS THAT WE HAD IN OUR BUDGET. I KNOW WE HAD BEEN TOSSING AROUND THE 225 BACK AND FORTH AND SOME OF THE REQUESTS BY COUNTY CLERK FOG FOR HER PERSONNEL AND SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS, NOT A NOT A CHANGE TO. THE ENTIRE PAY SCALE FOR, FOR EVERYONE, WHICH I THINK IS A BETTER WAY TO GO. AND HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW JUST TO UPDATE EVERYBODY. AND WE CAN DECIDE AFTER CONVERSATION HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH WITH HER LITTLE YESTERDAY OR THIS MORNING, AND SHE'S ASKING FOR HER DISTRICT. I'M SORRY, NOT DISTRICT. HER CLERK TWO POSITION SO THAT SHE HAS A STEP. AND SHE BROUGHT THAT BEFORE THE COURT BEFORE SHE HAS A STEP FROM CLERK ONE TO GO TO CLERK TWO. CLERK TWO WOULD BE THE TRAINING CLERKS.

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SO. THAT'S WHERE SHE WANTS TO GO TO FUND THE CHANGES THAT SHE'S ASKING FOR IS, CAN I INTERRUPT A SECOND? IS THIS LINE ITEM 15 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT IS SURE. OKAY. YES, TECHNICALLY, BUT IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE WHAT LINE ITEM 15 SAYS. YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IT SAYS. THE IMPACT OF WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REALLY SOMEWHERE AROUND $53,000, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE NUMBER SHE GAVE ME. SHE SAID, THAT'S A LITTLE ROUGH.

SO WE MAY NEED TO KIND OF IRON THAT OUT FIRST. IT'S AROUND $53, 53,000 TO MAKE THIS MOVE, WHICH SHE WILL PAY FOR AND FUND OUT OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT SO THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND ON THIS ITEM. IN ADDITION, SHE'S WILLING TO GIVE 500 000 TO THE GENERAL FUND FROM HER RECORDS MANAGEMENT. FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT ARE THE RULES OF THE 500? SHE BELIEVES THAT THEY HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO DO RECORDS MANAGEMENT WORK. SO THIS IS WHERE SHE DUG INTO THAT. AND SHE BELIEVES THAT IT WILL QUALIFY THE 500 000 GIVEN TO THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER SOME OF THE SALARIES IN HER DEPARTMENT WILL QUALIFY UNDER THE RULES. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT CAN GO RIGHT, RIGHT BACK IN TO TO PAYING FOR THE ALREADY EXISTING OR TOWARDS A NET ZERO TO THE TAXPAYER, WHICH IS ONE OF HER GOALS, I KNOW. YEAH. SO SHE'S BEEN SHE REALLY SPENT SOME TIME ON THIS LAST NIGHT. I KNOW AND SOME TIME THIS MORNING AND REALLY WANTS TO REALLY WANTS TO HELP WHICH IS WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THEY'RE ALWAYS GRACIOUS TO THIS COURT AND AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON AS OF NOW. OKAY.

CAN I JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS REALLY FAST? PAGE 13 IS HER BUDGET AND HER SALARIES ARE $1.1 MILLION. CORRECT. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FEASIBLE FROM AN OVERARCHING MATHEMATICS IS BEING ABLE TO ATTRIBUTE ALL OF THAT TO SALARIES FOR FOLKS THAT DO RECORD MANAGEMENT. TO US, IT WOULD KIND OF BE $500,000 TO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT BUT IN REALITY, IT WOULD JUST BE REALLOCATING MORE THINGS INTO RECORDS MANAGEMENT. GOT IT NOW. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. AND, AND THANK YOU TO COUNTY CLERK FOG. THERE WAS ALSO WE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING A LINE ITEM FOR HER CLERKS AS FAR AS SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE PAY FOR THEM. ARE WE IS THIS MOVEMENT OF THE CLERKS, DOES IT TAKE CARE OF THAT? AND THE INCENTIVE LINE ITEM GOES AWAY? OR AS FAR AS OUR DISCUSSION, YES. AND AGAIN, CANDICE CAN CORRECT ME ON ANY OF THE THINGS SHE WANTS TO ASK, BUT. THE 53000 IS ALL SHE ASKED FOR TO GO TOWARDS WHAT SHE CALCULATED TO GO TOWARDS ADDITIONAL MONEY, AND THEN THE 500 THAT SHE OFFERED OUT OF TRYING TO SPEND DOWN THAT RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND WAS JUST TO GO TOWARDS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S TO GO TOWARDS HER SALARIES, BUT IT WILL GO IN THE GENERAL FUND FIRST AND THEN AND THEN AND THEN BE ALLOCATED. ALL RIGHT. SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE THE 53,000 NUMBER THAT SHE GAVE IS FOR THE CLERK TO AS WELL AS THE INCENTIVE, WHICH IS NOW CALLED SALARY SUPPLEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE PEOPLE OF PHI WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THAT. AND.

PHI 27 OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED THAT. YEAH, WE DID, AND I THOUGHT THE SUPPLEMENT KIND OF WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO. NOT TO. AGREED. IT MAKES MAKES IT EASIER. YEAH.

NOW GO AHEAD AND PUSH YOUR BUTTON BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS COMING TO YOU. YEAH. THAT WAS MY NEXT MOVE. ACCOUNTING NIGHTMARE. I THINK WE NEED A CAN YOU DO AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF WHAT THIS ALL CHANGES? BECAUSE FIRST OFF IT'S JUST IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.

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AND ANNUALLY IN A BONUS IS PROBABLY THE INCORRECT WORD, BUT WOULD BE PAID OUT ANNUALLY AND NOT REALLY AS A HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN INCREASE OF. HERE'S AGAIN, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, HERE'S YOUR BONUS. YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MOVING THE SALARY TO BE PAID, YOU KNOW, SEPARATELY EVERY SINGLE TWO WEEKS. IT IS A SUPPLEMENT TO BE PAID ONE TIME AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S ONE. YEAH. RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. SO GO AHEAD.

MELISSA. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THIS IS YOU TRYING. IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE FOR THE TREASURER'S OFFICE ON HOW THEY WOULD PAY THAT OUT ANNUALLY. JUST IT WOULD REQUIRE HER FILLING OUT A NEW PCN FOR EACH OF THOSE EMPLOYEES EACH YEAR. AND THEN.

YEP. AND THEN ONCE IT WAS APPROVED. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT YET OR WE NEED THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO DO THE, THE MATH ON THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS 53,000. BUT IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT ON 50. IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT AT 53,000.

THAT'S IT FOR ALL OF HER CLERKS TO FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS. YES. FOR THE SUPPLEMENT SALARY, THE 500,000 THAT IS GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET SALARY OR WHATEVER THE PROPER WORDING IS FOR THAT IS A IS A DIFFERENT MOVE. BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HAVE TO DO IT TO MAKE IT RIGHT, BUT IN TOTAL, IT'S $553,000 COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? OKAY. THAT'S THE EASY PART. IT'S JUST KNOWING WHAT CHANGES WITHIN HER DEPARTMENT. AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASSIGN CLERKS INTO RECORDS MANAGEMENT, OR YOU WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO. I'M GOING TO STOP DOING YOUR JOB. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? THEIR JOB. I'M DONE. THEY JUST HAVE THEIR JOB FUNCTION HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT DUTIES TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR HER TO PUT THIS MONEY INTO THEIR FOR SALARY OFFSET. RIGHT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT. YEAH. WHERE I, I THINK I'M CONFUSED IS THAT THE 553,000 IS COMING IN, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT SHE'S GETTING IS 53,000 EXTRA FOR HER. SO THE DISCONNECT SO HER TOTAL SALARIES ARE ABOUT 1.1 MILLION. AND WE WANT TO USE ALL OF IT TO ALL THE 553 WILL OFFSET THE 500 HAS TO OFFSET HER. REALLY ALL OF IT BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT HAS TO OFFSET WHAT SHE'S PAYING OUT OF THE 1.1 MILLION. IT'S JUST TWO SEPARATE THINGS SHE'S ASKING FOR. SHE'S ASKING TO PUT IN 53 SO SHE CAN DO HER SUPPLEMENT PROGRAM, AND THEN SHE'S OFFERING TO PUT IN 500,000 TO OFFSET HER OFFICE. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THAT MAKES SENSE.

NOW, WILL THERE BE ANY OF THIS CHANGING FROM CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO TITLES OR REMOVING SENIOR CLERK AS THE TITLE? IT IT SOUNDS TO ME, AND I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING IT, SO I'LL LOOK AT CANDACE TOO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SENIOR CLERK IS NOW A CLERK. TWO AND THEY WILL REMAIN ON THE SAME JOB GRADE WITHIN THE SAME PAY PLAN, BUT JENNIFER WOULD USE THE SUPPLEMENTAL DOLLARS ON A SEPARATE PCN TO SUPPLEMENT THE THE INCOME. BUT THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SALARIES WOULD ALL FALL IN LINE WITH THE PAY PLAN, CORRECT ANNUALLY. OKAY, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT TOO. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THEN THERE WOULD BE THAT LIKE. AND WAS IT THE WHAT DID YOU GUYS CALL IT? KIND OF LIKE A LONGEVITY, BUT WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT SALARY, RIGHT? SALARY SUPPLEMENT, CORRECT SALARY SUPPLEMENT SALARY AND THE SALARY SUPPLEMENT. YEAH.

OKAY. DOES SOMEONE. TREASURER SPEAK GOOD AT FULLY LOADED THE 53,000. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT

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APPROVE COUNTY CLERK FOGG'S REQUEST FOR THE DISTRICT. I MEAN THE CLERK TO POSITION ELIMINATING HER SENIOR CLERK POSITION AND MOVING $553,000 FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET SALARY IN HER DEPARTMENT. OKAY, WE HAVE THAT MOTION, I LIKE THAT.

LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND REGISTER OUR VOTES, PLEASE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. SO THAT BACK TO LINE ITEM 15, THAT LINE ESSENTIALLY GOES AWAY. IT GOES AWAY. OKAY, ONE MORE THING.

THE THE 225, 225,000 THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. THAT IS GOING TO BE INCREASED BY 328,000 TO MAKE A TOTAL OF 553 THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? THAT WAS WORTH COMING BACK FROM LUNCH FOR. YEAH. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE. EXCUSE ME. WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS LEFT HANGING ON FROM THE DA'S OFFICE. OH, YEAH. DISTRICT ATTORNEY CULPEPPER, I APOLOGIZE. I TOLD YOU I WOULD HAVE YOU COME UP AND WE GOT. WE GOT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE BEFORE I REMEMBERED. NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE RABBIT HOLE, SO THAT'S JUST FINE. KEN CULPEPPER, DISTRICT ATTORNEY. I WANT TO ALSO TAKE DO A CLARIFICATION ON 41 AND 42. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE STILL LEFT PENDING. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I'VE I'VE TALKED TO LISA AND CAMI ABOUT IT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THIS TIME IN TERMS OF THAT, THE FUNDING FOR THAT. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS THOSE WERE TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED HEADCOUNT LAST YEAR. THE THE FUNDING FROM WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD IN MARCH, THAT WAS UNCLEAR. SO THE QUESTION IS, RIGHT NOW THOSE POSITIONS ARE FUNDED. BUT AS I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU AND CONTINUE WILL CONTINUE TO COMMIT TO. I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THOSE POSITIONS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO HIRE THEM IN FISCAL YEAR 26. THE QUESTION I HAVE AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, IS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO CONTINUE TO FUND THAT FELONY PROSECUTOR AND VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR, OR THIS YEAR, THEY WILL BE UNFUNDED AS AS OF RIGHT NOW. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY ARE UNFUNDED, THAT THE HEADCOUNT REMAINS IN THE BUDGET AND THAT I AM ALLOWED, ONCE THE EXPANSION IS FINISHED, TO USE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS OR TO COME BACK TO THE COURT FOR FUNDING IN HOWEVER LONG I'M GOING TO SAY SIX MONTHS. THAT'S WHAT I. THAT'S OPTIMISTIC, I LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO IS THAT IS THAT A CLARIFICATION? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS MY MY INTENTIONS TO, TO LEAVE IT UNFUNDED, BUT LEAVE THE HEADCOUNT THERE FOR WHEN WE DO GET OUR SPACE DONE AND, AND THAT WHATEVER THAT I CAN USE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS NO MATTER WHAT Y'ALL DECIDE WHAT THE FUNDING. OKAY. SO SPEAKING TO MELISSA AND LISA, DO WE WANT A MOTION ON THAT OR IS THAT CLARIFICATION ENOUGH? ARE YOU GOOD? I THINK THE HEADCOUNT IS ALREADY IN THE HEADCOUNT. IS THERE JUST NO FUNDING? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT KENDALL WANTS TO CLARIFY IS. YEP. SO WE'RE GOOD THAT WE CAN USE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS NO MATTER WHAT, AND THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR FUNDING, GENERAL FUNDING. BUT I WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR THAT. YEP YEP YEP YEP. ALL RIGHT. YEAH YEAH. LET ME LET ME GO AHEAD AND I'LL JUST

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RIGHT. BUT IT'S THAT WORD UNFUNDED THAT IS THE CURIOUS AND THAT I'D LIKE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT FROM GENERAL FUND. WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT FROM GENERAL FUND.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT. SO WITH MY FIRM, WHICH ONES ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION ON? I AM SORRY, ON 41 AND 42, 41 AND 42. YES, SIR. YEAH. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO 41 AND 42 ARE ALL CLEARED UP. AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY ALSO ON THIS DA EXPANSION, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STACY, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE DA EXPANSION NOW HAS A LINE ITEM IN THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. THERE IS A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THAT MONEY WILL COME FROM FUND BALANCE OR WHETHER IT WILL COME FROM UNEXPECTED MONEY THAT WE FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS FUNDED IN THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, IT IS NOW WITH THE CAVEAT NOTHING'S FINAL UNTIL WE GET A FINAL DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. MA'AM, WE'RE CLEANING, WE'RE CLEANING. WE'RE CLEANING A LOT OF THESE UP. SHALL SHALL WE DARE VOTE 51 IN OR ARE WE GOING TO SET COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE OFF HERE? MAINTENANCE ADD OVERTIME COMP TIME. WHY WOULD YOU SET ME OFF? WELL, LET'S TALK LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THIS SOLUTION. THERE WAS A HYBRID TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE A BIT. AND THEN THERE WAS THE THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION OR I WOULD SAY THE LAST DISCUSSION THE COURT HAD WHERE IT WAS ELIMINATED. SO WE DO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH DIRECTION TO HEAD. YEAH.

SO I GUESS THE ULTIMATE OR THE NOT THE ULTIMATE, THE PRIMARY FIRST DECISION IS, IS IT ELIMINATED? I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY THE COURT CERTAINLY ACTED AND WE ELIMINATED IT, BUT WE ALSO GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, NOT NOT ALL, BUT SOME THAT WERE REALLY HONEST AND SAID, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS. WE'VE NEVER WE'VE NEVER NOT HAD THE COMP BUCKET TO, TO USE. SO AND WE NOT ONLY GOT PUSHBACK, BUT WE ADDED $113,000 TO OUR BUDGET, WHICH I KNOW PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S REALLY NOT SPENDING. WELL, AS SOON AS YOU CAN CONVINCE LISA, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, I MIGHT MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT IS IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE BUDGET AS, AS COMP TIME WHERE WE PAY PEOPLE FOR WORK.

THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING. YEAH, I KNOW THIS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU RUN YOUR COMP TIME HERE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. BUT I KNOW IN OUR LAW FIRM, WE DID IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK WE EVER HAD TO PAY A BUCKET OF MONEY. AND IT WAS ALWAYS USED VERY SUCCESSFULLY TO HELP PEOPLE SHIFT THEIR JOB DUTIES APPROPRIATELY. SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT AND I WOULDN'T EVEN I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BROUGHT IT UP, REALLY, IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FOR THE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, BECAUSE THE DECISION WAS MADE AND I WAS OUTVOTED. AND THAT'S FINE. I'VE BEEN OUTVOTED A LOT. THAT'S NO BIG DEAL. BUT AGAIN, IT ADDS 113,000 TO OUR BUDGET. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THAT'S IF IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REMEDY AND GIVE RELIEF TO OUR TAXPAYERS OR USE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'S ALL MY THOUGHTS. I'M DONE. GET IN HERE. HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST. WE FORGET ABOUT THE 113 000 AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION. IS IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO? IS IT SOMETHING OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WANT? YOU KNOW, I'VE KIND OF TAKEN THE STANCE SINCE I'VE BEEN JUDGE.

I'M NOT GOING TO MICROMANAGE DEPARTMENTS. AND EVERY TIME I SAY THAT, I GET PULLED INTO DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE MANAGERIAL DECISIONS, WHICH IS PART OF BEING A JUDGE. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION TO THE COURT IS, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE? DO WE WANT TO TAKE OUR WHAT WAS A RIGHTFUL VOTE OF OF REMOVING COMP TIME, OR DO WE WANT TO REEVALUATE AND HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS TELL US WHAT WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT MY I THINK STATEMENT WAS IN COURT IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE COMP TIME, WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME GOOD USES FOR IT, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER LICHTY BROUGHT UP THE LIBRARY AS THE LATEST DEPARTMENT TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE UTILIZE THIS AND WE LIKE THE WAY THAT IT WORKS FOR US. IT IS

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SO LET'S TAKE THE 113,000 OUT AND THEN WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY BILL OVERTIME. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? I'M SAYING I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT. WHAT I WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE COMP TIME IS, IS TO ME, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT IS THE EASY BUTTON. IT'S THE WAY TO SAY I'M RUNNING A LITTLE SHORT TODAY. HEY, CAN YOU WORK, YOU KNOW, SIX MORE HOURS TODAY AND I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU IN COMP TIME RATHER THAN JUST BITING THE BULLET, WHICH WE ALL HAVE TO DO SOMETIMES AND HAVE ALL DONE IN OUR BUSINESSES AND JUST GET THROUGH THE DAY. WELL, TO ME, IT'S A GREAT FLEX TOOL, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY AND THAT'S FINE. IT'S A GREAT FLEX TOOL AND A GREAT WAY TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE. BUT LIKE I SAID, PART OF WHAT YOU SAID APPEALS ME. BUT IF WE'RE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD FLIP THROUGH HERE AND WE'RE ALLOCATING X OVERTIME FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, I'M GUESSING. YEAH, JUST GO TO ZERO BECAUSE WE'RE GUESSING. JUST GO TO ZERO AND LET DEPARTMENT HEADS COME IN AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT I NEED FOR OVERTIME. I KNOW IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THEY'VE FOR YEARS HAD SOME OVERTIME ISSUES. WELL, LET'S DEAL WITH IT. BUT TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE THINK IT'LL BE 113,000. SO IT'S REALLY JUST REPLACING ONE EASY BUTTON WITH ANOTHER EASY BUTTON. IF YOU JUST ALLOCATE EVERYBODY A BUNCH OF OVERTIME, IF YOU SAY ZERO OVERTIME, THEN YOU SEE HOW THEY'RE MANAGING THEIR DEPARTMENTS. IT DOES CREATE A BENCHMARK FOR THE FUTURE, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. AND WHEN WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE 113,000 THAT'S BEEN DUMPED INTO OUR BUDGET AND REDUCE THE BURDEN ON OUR TAXPAYERS, WHICH I KNOW EVERYONE'S REALLY IN FAVOR OF. YES. NOW, WHAT I AM NOT SURE OF IS IF THIS BODY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY ZERO OVER TIME, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT, ESPECIALLY IN ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WELL, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY WORKS OVERTIME, THEY'RE GETTING PAID OVERTIME. SO YOUR YOUR PRESSURE WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, NOT TO THE PERSON WORKING OVERTIME. EXACTLY. NO. I UNDERSTAND THE LAW SAYS IF SOMEONE WORKS OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK, YOU GOT TO PAY THEM TIME AND A HALF. I KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS, RIGHT? BUT IF THE POINT WAS MADE, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD ONE, PEOPLE HAVE TO MANAGE THEIR BUDGETS WELL. I DON'T REMEMBER IN JUNE, A SINGLE PERSON COMING IN AND SAYING, I NEED $16,000 OF OVERTIME. SO LET THEM MANAGE THEIR BUDGETS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF WE CAN, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL HAVE THEM ALL NEXT YEAR. I THINK WE'D HAVE A LOT AND WE MAY REGRET IT. I THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE NEXT YEAR. BUT YEAH, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, I'M ONLY ONE VOTE HERE GUYS. EVERYBODY ELSE CHIME IN. SO YOUR YOUR THOUGHT IS JUST REMOVE THE 113,000 AND JUST SAY NO OVERTIME. BUT REINSTATE.COM. MY THOUGHT WAS, LET'S GO BACK TO COMP TIME, THE WAY WE TRIED TO SOLVE IT IN JUNE, WHERE WE CAPPED IT AT 40 HOURS MAX AND WE SAID PEOPLE HAD TO USE COMP TIME BEFORE VACATION TIME TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WE DEALT WITH IN THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS COMMITTEE. BUT IF WE'RE NOT, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I

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BECAUSE OTHERWISE MY GUESS IS NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE IN JUNE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, HERE'S HOW MUCH OVERTIME I NEED. I'D RATHER YOU MANAGE IT WITH COMP TIME, GIVE US A YEAR AND THEN LET'S GO BACK TO THAT. ALL RIGHT, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, YOU WORKED YOUR WAY TOWARD THE MICROPHONE. I DID, AND I WAS INCHING FORWARD, EVER. DISTRICT ATTORNEY, I WILL MENTION, AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVE A POINT, BUT IN TERMS OF SAYING COME AND ASK FOR IT LATER, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THE JUDGES SET TEN TRIALS AT A TIME, MAYBE, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT. AND SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO TRIAL ON UNTIL THE WEEK BEFORE A TRIAL, TYPICALLY. AND SO THE A LOT OF THE HARD WORK, A LOT OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, BUT THE ACTUAL GETTING READY FOR THAT TRIAL, GETTING READY FOR THE VOIR DIRE, THE CLOSINGS, GETTING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTO AN EVIDENCE. AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THAT TAKES. THAT IS ALL HAPPENING TYPICALLY THE WEEKEND BEFORE TRIAL. AND IT IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE I CAN GO, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I REALLY NEED TO MANAGE MY BUDGET. SO SORRY, PARALEGALS AND INVESTIGATORS, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T COME TO THE COURTHOUSE. CAN I GET YOU TO PAUSE RIGHT THERE? CAN I GET YOU TO PAUSE RIGHT THERE? BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. YOUR POINT IS, I UNDERSTAND IT 100%, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, YOU TOLD ME A FEW DAYS AGO WAS YOU HAVE MANAGED BY USING COMP TIME TO AVOID OVERTIME. THAT IS CORRECT.

SO WE DO NOT PAY OVERTIME UNLESS THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT GET BY ME BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT WE'VE SPENT IN OVERTIME IN IN MY LIFETIME, I THINK. AND THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WANT TO MAKE. YOU CAN CONTINUE. OKAY. SO WE USE COMP TIME AND I'VE EXPLAINED THIS ALSO, WHEN WE USE COMP TIME, WE SAY, OKAY, YOU WORKED 20 HOURS GETTING READY FOR THIS TRIAL OVER THE WEEKEND OR OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKENDS. IF IT'S A HIGH PROFILE CASE AND WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GET THAT TIME LATER, BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT. IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE DEALS. YOU CAN JUST KEEP IT IN YOUR COMP TIME BUCKET FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE UNTIL YOU WANT TO LEAVE AND GET PAID TIME AND A HALF. THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO THAT. BUT IF I HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU CAN TACK THIS ON TO A VACATION IN 3 OR 4 WEEKS OR WHENEVER WE'RE FINISHED WITH ALL THESE TRIALS, THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE IT WITHIN THAT PAY PERIOD IS MY UNDERSTANDING, OR THEY GET PAID THE OVERTIME. I HAVE TOLD MY PEOPLE, LISTEN, WE DON'T I DON'T HAVE AN OVERTIME BUDGET. WE'RE GOING TO USE COMP TIME. AS FAR AS I KNOW. WE HAVE USED THAT VERY PRODUCTIVELY. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BOBBY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE USING THAT EASY BUTTON, BUT I'M NOT REALLY INTO EASY BUTTONS. I MEAN, THIS IS A WAY THAT WE EFFECTIVELY MANAGE OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THAT WE HAVE USED THAT PRODUCTIVELY. THIS IS WHEN YOU GET TRAPPED IN THE FALLACY OF USING AN EXTREME EXAMPLE AND OVERLAYING IT ON TOP OF EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THIS IS YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS AND SAY THIS IS HOW EVERY DEPARTMENT WORKS. SO WE SHOULD KEEP COMP TIME. THIS IS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE OF THE USE OF COMP TIME THAT MAY NEED TO CONTINUE IN ONLY YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO DO IT ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS EXTREME EXAMPLE HAPPENING AND I GET YOUR NEED. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS EXTREME EXAMPLE DOESN'T MEAN WE CONTINUE IT.

AND THE REASON THAT I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A THING THAT HAPPENS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. WE USE WE USE THIS SCENARIO A LOT. AND SO FINE, IF, IF, IF IT NEEDS TO APPLY TO THE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COME AND SHOW YOU JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY COMP TIME WORKS. LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. MARCIN. I DON'T KNOW HOW HER DEPARTMENT WORKS. I JUST DO KNOW. AND I'VE, I'VE THOUGHT MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BE QUIET AND LET MY PEOPLE GET PAID A BUNCH OF OVERTIME, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THEM WORK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO TO TRIAL, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET PAID A BUNCH OF SUPPLEMENTAL OVERTIME. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN THEY DID. LET THEM GET SUPPLEMENTAL SALARIES. MAYBE THAT'S BETTER FOR THEM IN THE LONG RUN, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I THINK COMP TIME IS BETTER. GOT IT. I AGREE WITH YOU AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. I CAN'T TAKE AN OUTLIER AND EXTRAPOLATE. I DON'T KNOW EVERY DEPARTMENT. CAMI. SHE SAID SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT TO HAVE YOU CLARIFY. DO WE HAVE

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THAT IS A DECISION THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE US. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WORK FOR EXTRA HOURS, YOU SEND THEM HOME FOUR HOURS EARLY. I DON'T NEED TO KNOW. I DON'T NEED TO KNOW. PAYROLL DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW, AND WE DON'T NEED TO TRACK IT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN INTERNALLY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN DOING.

AND THEY'RE UTILIZING COMP TIME WHEN REALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS NEEDING FLEX TIME. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD CANADA SAYING SHE I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR HER, OBVIOUSLY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF I'M RIGHT OR NOT, BUT I UNDERSTOOD HER TO SAY IS IF WE GO FORWARD WITHOUT COMP TIME, THEN THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET LET OFF IN THAT PAY PERIOD OR THEY GET OVERTIME. YEAH. AND WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY. SO THIS IS WHAT I HEARD. OKAY. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT BUT I'M THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING. AND AND AGAIN, NO, I THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT. IF YOU WORK FOR MORE THAN 40 HOURS A WEEK THAT WEEK, YOU GET PAID OVERTIME, PERIOD.

AND COMP TIME COULD HAVE BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT, BUT NO LONGER WOULD BE. AND BOBBY'S POINT IS, WELL, SO IF SOMEBODY LET'S LET SOMEBODY OFF EARLY THAT WEEK AND THAT'S FLEX TIME, CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT. THAT'S FINE. YOU'RE RIGHT. TOTALLY RIGHT. AGREE WITH YOU. AND IF EVERYBODY. BUT AGAIN, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY, DROP IN COMP TIME. WHY DO WE NEED OVERTIME? AND MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE DO SOME HYBRID MODEL, WHICH I HATE TO THINK BECAUSE IT'S SO COMPLICATED IN MY BRAIN IS NOT THAT BRIGHT ANYMORE. SO WE'RE WE GIVE THE DA'S OFFICE COMP TIME, WE GIVE THE SHERIFF COMP TIME, WE GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE COMP TIME, BUT NOBODY ELSE GETS IT. AND THAT JUST GETS MESSY. SO I'M GOING TO DRAG US BACK IN TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WHAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH TODAY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M HEARING CONSISTENTLY THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THE COMP TIME DECISION AND PROBABLY FORCE SOME DEPARTMENT HEADS TO COME IN HERE AND TELL US HOW THEY'RE USING. BUT BECAUSE THAT THAT DOES THOSE DECISIONS ARE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. BUT CHANGING POLICY LIES WITH THIS THIS BODY. SO. YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. SO JUST ON A BUDGETING, A LITTLE BIT OF PHILOSOPHY OR PROCESSES FOR BUDGETING, FOR GOVERNMENT BUDGETING, NOT NOT BUSINESSES, NOT CORPORATIONS, GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, EACH DEPARTMENT RECEIVES A BUDGET. YOU ALL AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TELLS YOU THAT THEY NEED, WHAT ELECTED OFFICIAL TELLS YOU THEY NEED. SO THEIR NEEDS ARE MET.

AND IF THEY SPEND SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS BUDGETED, THEN THEY'RE AT FAULT.

THEY GET AN AUDIT LETTER FROM US. IF IF THAT'S WHY KENDA KNOWS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BECAUSE SHE'LL GET AN AUDIT LETTER THAT SAYS YOU EXPENDED MONEY THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED AT $118 OR SOMETHING. IT'S MINIMAL, BUT IT'S STILL IT'S MONEY THAT'S NOT BUDGETED. SO IF IF YOU'RE AWARE WHEN WE HAD COMP TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT OVERTIME LINES IN EACH ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. WHAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN YOU TOOK AWAY COMP TIME, THEN MELISSA DID A CALCULATION FOR US AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED IN OUR OFFICE. BECAUSE IF COMP TIME IS NOT THERE, THAT THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD HAVE SPENT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE COMP TIME, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD HAVE SPENT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE DID THE SAME THING FOR SOME OF THE COURTROOMS, SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT SAID, THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU SAVED LAST YEAR BECAUSE YOU HAD COMP BUCKET.

THIS YEAR YOU WON'T. SO THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THOSE MONIES. SO BE BE AWARE THAT YOU DO NEED TO BUDGET SOMETHING. IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT THEY HAVE A. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEND MONEY THAT'S NOT BUDGETED. BOTTOM LINE. YEAH, NO, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN HIT THAT COMP TIME AND WE CAN DO IT

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I DON'T THINK WE DO. I JUST THINK WE FUND THE OVERTIME. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WE KNOW WHAT SHE'S USING. WE CAN FUND IT. AND THAT'S STILL A BUDGET. THAT'S JUST BUT AGAIN, YOU JUST

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A LITTLE CLARIFICATION WITH THE FIRST DRAFT. SO ON THE COLA LINE ITEM 73, YOU SAID WE'RE DOING THE STEP AND THEN ADDING THE COLA. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADD THE COLA AND THEN DO THE STEP. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE CORRECT HOW I DID THE FIRST BUDGET. OKAY. BOTH THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR, WHAT I'VE DONE IS SAID ALL OF THE OFFICERS GET THEIR STEP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO. AND IT SOLVED THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE, WHICH WAS RECRUITMENT.

ALL OF THE OFFICERS GET THEIR STEP. IF THEIR STEP IS GREATER THAN THE COST OF LIVING PLUS MERIT, THAN THEY GET THE STEP. IF THEIR STEP IS LESS, THEN THEY GET THE COLA PLUS THE MERIT. SO ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THE COUNTY, 3.5% WAS ALLOCATED. SO WHAT I HAD SAID IS YOU GET YOUR STEP OR YOU GET THE 3.5%, WHICHEVER WORKS OUT BEST FOR THE OFFICER. SO THAT 165 IS, IS FOR ALL OF THAT. NO, THE 165 IS THERE'S, THERE'S CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDING A COLA IN ON TOP OF THEIR STEP. AND THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET DID NOT INCLUDE THAT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. THE DOES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE STEP

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I KNOW THIS IS WRONG. 50,000 TO 55,000. STEP 255 THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S OKAY. SO BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THE COLA, THEN DON'T WE END UP IN THE SAME PLACE WE WERE LAST YEAR WHERE WE HAD TO TAKE A BIG JUMP TO ALL THESE IN ORDER TO BRING UP, BRING THEM UP TO WHERE THEY WERE, WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. YEAH, WE DID THIS LAST YEAR. I'M WITH YOU ON STEP. I'M WITH YOU ON. THIS IS JUST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. AND MAYBE WE'RE ON THE SAME TRAIN SO THE JUDGE CAN HOPEFULLY CLARIFY FOR US. BUT WHAT I ENVISION THE COLA DOING IS MOVING THE WHOLE RANGE OR MOVING THE STEP PLAN AS WELL. YES. AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO END UP WHERE WE WERE. SO I MAYBE I'M LOST IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT I, I THOUGHT THAT WE PUT THE COLA DOWN, IT MOVED THE RANGES OR THE STEP. AND THEN IF THE OFFICER QUALIFIED FOR THEIR STEP, THEY GOT THE STEP BASED ON WHERE THE COLA WENT. I MEAN, SO THE WHOLE THING MOVES. SO THE WHOLE SCALE SHIFTS AND NOT SCALE SHIFTS LIKE OUR LIKE OUR PAY SCALE SHIFTS WITH THE COLA NOW, RIGHT. THEN THE, THEN THE STEP PLAN SHOULD BE SHIFTING WITH THE COLA AS WELL. AND THEN IF THE OFFICER QUALIFIES, THEY GO TO IT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IF THIS YEAR YOU GET 5% INSTEAD OF 3.5%, THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND THEN WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SCALE. IF YOU'RE TOPPED OUT, DO WE NEED TO MOVE THE SCALE? YES, BUT THE SCALE WE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING INTO THIS. ARE YOU TOPPED OUT DISCUSSION ANYMORE? WE SHOULDN'T BE MOVING. THAT'S RIGHT. WE SHOULD BE MOVING DOWN THE SCALE. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, JUDGE? SORRY, BOB, IS YOUR THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE DRAWING? DO WE GIVE THE RUE OR THE STEP INCREASE BEFORE THE SCALE SLIDES OR AFTER THE SCALE SLIDES? IS THAT THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE MAKING AT ALL? WELL, I THOUGHT NO, HE SAID IT DOESN'T. BUT BUT WHEN YOU SAY IF YOUR COLA YOU'D GET 3.5. BUT YOUR STEP YOU'D GET FIVE. OF COURSE FIVE IS BETTER RIGHT. TAKE FIVE.

BUT IF AFTER YOU TAKE THE FIVE AND THEN THE SCALE SHIFTS, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE, RIGHT? WE KEEP AND WE KEEP MOVING WITH INFLATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WHAT I WOULD ENVISION IS THE IS THE STEP SCALE MOVING FIRST. SO IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO A 3.5% COLA, THEN IT MOVES AND THAT MOVES EVERY OFFICER ALREADY. AND THEN IF THEY HAD QUALIFIED FOR AN ADDITIONAL STEP UP BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE, THEN THEY JUST GET THE STEP UP. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING. YOU'RE STARING AT THE IMPACT OF THAT. SO I YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID. SO I'M GOING TO CALM DOWN. SO WHAT I DID TO GET THIS NUMBER AND I'M REALLY SORRY HE'S CALMING DOWN, IS THAT I TOOK THE WHOLE SCALE AND MOVED IT AND THEN SAID, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL THE OFFICERS WENT TO THE TOP OF THE SCALE? AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING THAT AND WHAT THE JUDGE WROTE IN HIS BUDGET IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. AND CAMI AND I DID THE MATH ON IT. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO DO WITH ALL OF OUR TALK ABOUT. HENCE IT'S HERE. SO MY THOUGHT, AND THIS MAY NEED SOME REDEFINING OF THE SCALE IS ALL OF THE OFFICERS QUALIFY FOR IT, NOT JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE NEXT STEP, EVERYBODY MOVES. YEAH. WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'LL MOVE ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING. YOU'RE MOVING THE WHOLE THING. YOU'RE MOVING THE WHOLE SCALE 3.5%. SO WHEREVER THEY FALL ON THAT, THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING 3.5%, BUT THEY'RE MOVING MORE THAN 3.5%. WELL, THEN IF THEY MOVE MORE THAN 3.5% BECAUSE THEY GOT TO STEP UP BECAUSE THEY WENT UP A STEP AND THEN ALSO WANT 3.5% ON TOP OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. NO, YOU GET WHICHEVER BENEFITS THE OFFICER MORE. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE PHILOSOPHY WE HAVE TO DETERMINE.

ARE WE MOVING THE SCALE FIRST? SO THE SCALE MOVES 3.5% AND THE OFFICER QUALIFIES FOR THE SCALE MOVES 2.4%. AND THEN THE AND THEN THEY GET THE STEP GOT THE 1.1 WAS IN MERIT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING WAS MOVING IT TO MOVING IT, WHATEVER THE COLA WAS. AND THEN WHATEVER THE OFFICER GOT FROM THAT GOOD ON THE OFFICER BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GOING WITH WHAT THE STEP PLAN SAYS. AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL SCENARIOS ANYMORE. WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MOVE SCALES. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE STEP. DOES THE STEP PLAN WORK NOW? SO IF YOU'RE IN STEP THREE, YOU CAN NEVER GET BELOW THE MINIMUM OF STEP THREE, RIGHT? EACH STEP IS A SPECIFIC AMOUNT. THERE'S NOT A RANGE IN EACH STEP. THAT'S WHY I CAME UP HERE BECAUSE YOU

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WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH OF A RAISE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT SAID OTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEE GOT. WE'RE SAYING THAT THE STEP PLAN DESERVES A COLA AND IT DESERVES A 2.4% COLA THIS YEAR. AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT DOES, IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIES TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP, THEY GET WHATEVER THAT IS. AND IF THEY DON'T MOVE TO THAT NEXT STEP, THEN WHAT YOU END UP WITH, AND WE FACE THIS. PREVIOUSLY, THE THREE OF US DID IS YOU GET THAT COMPRESSION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A PERSON SAY, WITH FIVE YEARS MAKING THE SAME AS A PERSON WITH ONE YEAR EXPERIENCE. SO THE STEPS ARE, ARE KIND OF BASED ALONG THE EXPERIENCE LEVELS. IT, I GUESS, AND IT FEELS LIKE DOUBLE DIPPING TO ME. IT FEELS LIKE, HEY, WE, WE, I BUDGETED 5% AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 2.4% ON TOP OF IT WHEN THE REST OF THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN, I HOLD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN HIGH REGARD. AND I'VE SAID MANY TIMES WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? AND I SAY, WHY CAN'T I CALL YOU WHEN SOMEONE'S HERE? SHOOTING AT ME IS MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE DOUBLE DIPPING WHEN THE REST OF THE COUNTY ONLY GETS 2.4 PLUS 1.1, AND WE GET FIVE OVER HERE, I GET IT, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT IT PHILOSOPHICALLY DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JUDGE COMPLETELY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT MAKES SENSE. BUT YOU ALSO WE ARE BUT BUT LISTEN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, OUR CIVILIAN SIDE, OKAY, THAT WE HAVE PAY SCALES FOR AND RANGES AND WE DECIDE TO MOVE THAT ON A COLA EVERY YEAR. GREAT. AND WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE RAISES AND IT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THINGS LIKE THE STEP DOES. BUT WE YOU ALL AGREED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO GO WITH THE STEP PROGRAM, THE STEP PROGRAM IN A COLA TO THE STEP PROGRAM ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. THE STEP PROGRAM IS RUN BY THE SHERIFF WHO DECIDES WHETHER SOMEBODY QUALIFIES TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP. WHAT WE'RE DECIDING ON ONLY IS DOES THE STEP PROGRAM NEED A COLA? AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME AS

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IN MY OPINION, NOT AND NOT NECESSARILY AT BUDGET TIME. YEAH. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A STEP PLAN, WE WILL EVALUATE THE STEP PLAN OUTSIDE OF THE I ENVISION A STEP PLAN WORKING IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE EVALUATING THAT ON ITS OWN MERIT. DOES IT NEED THE THE COLA OR NOT? AND THEN WE LEAVE IT ALONE FOR THE SHERIFF TO RUN AND DECIDE WHERE HIS PEOPLE BELONG IN THE STEP SYSTEM. AND THEN THE REST OF THE COUNTY. WE'RE MOVING BECAUSE IT'S A PAY RANGE. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAN THIS. AND WE CAN'T LUMP THEM TOGETHER AND MAKE THE SAME DECISION WE DID FOR THIS BUDGET. BUT IT CAUSED THIS IMPLICATION. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY YOU CONSIDERED A DOUBLE DIPPING. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT HERE. LET ME JUST SO I GIVE YOU A 5% PAY INCREASE, RIGHT. WHICH IS MORE THAN THE THAN THE 3.5%.

AND THEN NOW YOU ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 2.4% BECAUSE THE REST OF THE COUNTY GOT 2.4. BUT WHAT I THOUGHT WHAT? OKAY, THEN I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE SAYING IS WHAT BOBBY SAID, WHICH IS GIVE ME GIVE ME A STEP NUMBER, JUST ANY ONE. TWO. OKAY. SO HOW MUCH? STEP TWO GET PAID. 78,000. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY IS STEP TWO NOW GOES 78,000 PLUS 2.4%. AND THEN HE EVALUATES WHETHER SOMEBODY STAYS AT STEP TWO OR MOVES TO STEP THREE. RIGHT? YES. SO WHERE'S THE DOUBLE DIPPING. YOU'RE NOT GIVING EVERY OFFICER A 5% RAISE. ALSO, ARE WE? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YES. IF THE SHERIFF DEEMS IT, WE WE BUDGETED FOR IT. THAT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT A STEP. THE TOP OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE TOPPED OUT, THEY GET A 5% LUMP SUM PAYOUT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE STEP PROGRAM WOULD COST. BUT DOES EVERYBODY GET STEPPED UP EVERY YEAR? YES. OKAY. NOW I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT IT'S BASED ON PERFORMANCE. Y'ALL DO BASE IT ON PERFORMANCE. SO NOT EVERY.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN POSITION FOR A YEAR, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WILL WHICH WHICH WAS WHY WE WENT TO THE STEP PLAN. IT WAS, AS I SAID EARLIER, TO SOLVE A RECRUITING PROBLEM, WHICH IT HAS SOLVED BECAUSE SHERIFF COULDN'T RECRUIT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WOULD ASK THE VERY LOGICAL QUESTION, WHERE AM I GOING TO BE IN THREE YEARS? AND PREVIOUSLY WE COULDN'T ANSWER THAT. AND AS SOON AS WE COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT SOLVED OUR RECRUITING PROBLEM. NOT MAKING A SUGGESTION, JUST ASKING A QUESTION. AND IT IS JUST A QUESTION. I STILL LIKE HOW YOU STARTED THAT. SO IS THE PROBLEM OR THE ISSUE THAT'S RAISED NOT A PROBLEM? IS THE ISSUE ARISING BECAUSE WE'VE SAID EVERY STEP GOES UP 5% AT LEAST, AND EVERYBODY GETS A STEP INCREASE EVERY YEAR. THEN THEN I TOTALLY GET YOUR ISSUE.

I TOTALLY GET YOUR ISSUE. AND THEN TO ME, THE ISSUE MAY BE IS MORE OF WHAT WE SHOULD SAY IS EVERY STEP GETS GOES UP A DIFFERENT AMOUNT AND WE GIVE A COLA, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO PUT THE STEPS IN THE SAME TREATMENT AS EVERYONE ELSE. SAY THAT AGAIN ONE MORE TIME. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T FOLLOW. EVERY STEP GOES UP AT LEAST 5% BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY GETS A STEP UP EVERY YEAR. I UNDERSTAND NOW, AND THEY GET 5%, AND A STEP UP IS A MINIMUM OF 5%. SO WHERE I THINK THE BREAKDOWN OCCURS IN MY MIND IS WHERE WE SAY EVERYBODY GETS A STEP UP EVERY YEAR AND IT'S AT LEAST 5%. WELL, THEN I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE JUDGE. WE'RE DOUBLE DIPPING. SO IF WE SAID EVERY, EVERYBODY GETS AT LEAST A STEP UP, BUT THE STEP UP IS AGAIN, NOT SUGGESTING JUST MAKE IT A .3.5. THEN WE WOULD BE TREATING EVERYBODY THE SAME. SO SO LET ME SAY IT BACK TO YOU JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S TAKE THE STEP PLAN. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING PHILOSOPHICALLY.

SO EVERYONE, THIS ISN'T WE'RE NOT MAKING A POLICY DECISION RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, SO THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE STEP ONE AND STEP TWO, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT STEP 3.5%. YES.

AND THEN THEREFORE, IF ANYONE GOT MOVED UP, THEY WOULD JUST MOVE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

CORRECT. THEY GET THAT RAISE THAT GOES WITH THAT. AND MY, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THAT'S JUST NOT A STEP PLAN. OKAY. THAT THIS

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AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S THE DISCONNECT I'M HAVING IN MY MIND IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A STEP PLAN AND WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE MARKET, AND IT IS EXPENSIVE. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST ONE MORE TIME IS THAT WE WE MOVE THE STEP PLAN WITH. WE CONTINUE THE STEP PLAN AS IT IS, AS IT WAS DEVELOPED. VERY WELL, I MIGHT ADD, BY THIS COURT BEFORE I GOT HERE, AND IT WAS VERY NECESSARY. IN FACT, DURING MY CAMPAIGN, I TALKED ABOUT IT A MILLION TIMES BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEEDED IT. AND THEN IT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT HERE, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT IT DOES IT EVERY TIME WE GO TO DO A BUDGET, YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT IT IN ITS OWN BOX AND LOOK AT THAT STEP PLAN AND SAY, DOES A STEP PLAN NEED A COLA BASED ON THE MARKET? AND DON'T LUMP IT IN WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS A SEPARATE THING THAT WORKS IN A SEPARATE WAY AND WORKS IN A SEPARATE MARKET, COMPETITIVE MARKET SET. SO I THINK IF WE DO, IF WE WOULD JUST DO THAT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER WAY OF EASING THE JUDGE'S CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT DOUBLE DIPPING, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERITS OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DECIDING TO GIVE THE COUNTY. AND THEN WE CAN DEBATE THAT SEPARATELY AND TALK ABOUT IT SEPARATELY, RATHER THAN IT BEING THIS BIG PILE OF MONEY KIND OF THING. THAT'S JUST WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH IT. I KNOW WE MAYBE NOT DO THAT THIS YEAR, AND THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TOO, BUT HAVE WE DONE THAT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. HAS SOMEBODY COMPARED OUR STEP PLAN TO THE OTHER STEP? YES.

AND IT'S IN THIS BOOK, AND IT WAS IN THE SHERIFF'S PRESENTATION TO US. OKAY, GOOD.

LET'S SEE. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OFF SO I DON'T GET AWKWARD FLIPPING THROUGH. I FEEL GOOD, I CAN BRING OUT A BIG BOOK TOO. WHAT PAGE ARE WE GOING TO? I'M WORKING ON IT. I'M WORKING ON IT. SORRY, THAT'S YOUR GLASSES. I'M LIKE, HEY, I MIGHT NEED THE BUDGET IN A NEW DESK UP HERE IF YOU DO THAT AGAIN. WELL, I WAS I AM GLAD THAT WE'RE NO LONGER TALKING ABOUT MUNDANE PEDESTRIAN THINGS LIKE NEW SEATS, WHICH WE'VE GIVEN UP ON AND NEW DOOR FOR ME, WHICH I'VE GIVEN UP ON. I THOUGHT WE APPROVED YOUR DOOR. DON'T GET ME STARTED. OKAY? NEVER MIND THEN. ANYWAY, SO. WHAT? WHERE ARE YOU AT? SO IN THE IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET, IT'S LISTED AS PAGE TWO SIX IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED. WASN'T THE SHERIFF.

OH, HERE'S COUNTY SHERIFF OKAY IN THERE? NO, NO. I'M JUST. OH, HE HAD A SEPARATE BUDGET THOUGH.

YEAH HE DID. I HAD I HAD MEREDITH INCORPORATED INTO MINE IN IN BUDGET ORDER. DO YOU HAVE THE NOTEBOOKS BEHIND YOU? I'VE GOT IT IN MY OFFICE. OKAY. BUT I CAN SUMMARIZE IT REALLY FAST.

OKAY. ROCKWALL PD STARTING OFFICER IS $12,000 ABOVE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IS 10,000 AND ROYCE CITIES IS ABOUT ABOUT 3000. AND IT GETS WORSE WHEN YOU KIND OF GO UP TO THE LIEUTENANTS AND THE CAPTAINS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T SAY SHOW US EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE YOUR STEP PLAN, THEY DID BRING A REQUEST TO MOVE THEIR STEP PLAN TO THEIR BUDGET. SO I AGREE WITH MOVING THE STARTING PAY UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE MARKET. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE PAY A 5% PLUS A 2.4%. THAT AGAIN, I SAID BEFORE WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET OF ARE WE

[03:55:04]

THAT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE HUGE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS WHEN YOU COME AROUND. WHAT WHAT WE'RE I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE, THE WAS IT LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE WHERE YOU SAID, IF YOU GET SB 22, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T GET A RAISE. I THINK THAT WAS YOUR FIRST BUDGET. I, I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH. I THINK THE FIRST BUDGET. YEAH. AND, AND THEN THE REACTION TO THAT IS, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A STEP PLAN, RIGHT? WHICH WHAT WE USED SB 22 TO DO, WE ACTUALLY USE SB 22 TO DO. AND THEN WE'VE SLOWLY MOVED THE SB 22 MONEY OVER TO TWO PERSONNEL, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG SB 22 IS GOING TO LAST. AND THEN AWAY FROM PERSONNEL TO PERSONNEL.

AND NOW WE'RE BUYING $500,000 WORTH OF VEHICLES WITH SB 22. SO WE HAVE SLOWLY, OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF BUDGETS, PUT THIS STEP PLAN INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND TAKEN A LOT OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AND MOVED IT INTO SB 22. CORRECT. AND I THINK THAT MY MY POINT IS, I, BOBBY, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S A REALLY SMART WAY OF LOOKING AT IT BEING THAT THEY ARE COMPLETELY DELINEATED. YOU HAVE A STEP PLAN FOR OUR SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEN WE HAVE A CIVILIAN PLAN. AND NOW I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE JAIL OUT. THE JAIL IS ON A LAW ENFORCEMENT PLAN, BUT THESE ARE THE SWORN OFFICERS AND OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE ON THE STEP PLAN. AND SO THIS IS THEIR COMPETITION. THEY'RE THEY'RE MOVING AND THEY'RE MOVING. THEY'RE GOING TO CITIES. THIS IS A HUGE METRO AREA. THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND I JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY, UNTIL THIS COURT DECIDES TO NOT DO A STEP PLAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THE 2.4 FUNDING, THE STEP PLAN. AND IT'S JUST MORE THAN WHAT THE WHAT THE THE JUDGE PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET AND NOT TO MAKE MATH WORK, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE RESHUFFLING AT THE TOP OF THE JAIL, AND YOU HAVE THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER. AND OUR PAYROLL TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ALMOST WHAT THE JUDGE PUT IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. BUT IF I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU JUST SHOWED ME THAT BASED ON HIS COMPARATIVE STUDY AND WHAT HE'S REQUESTING, A 2.4% IS STILL LESS THAN WHAT HE'S REQUESTING. YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO I NOW I THINK I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH DID I BUDGET IN THE FIRST DRAFT FOR THE STEP PLAN TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. HOW MUCH DID I BUDGET IN THE FIRST DRAFT FOR THE STEP PLAN? AND AFTER AN ENTIRE DAY OF ME VOTING NO AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT, HERE I AM. I WILL SAY THAT INITIALLY THE JUDGE'S INTENTION WAS TO DO THE LUMP SUM OR THE TOP OUT PAYS, OR GO TO THE NEXT STEP, AND THEN AFTER THEY GET THAT, THEN DO THE 2.4. BUT I THINK AT ONE POINT YOU SAID NO. NOW WE HAVE TO MOVE THE STEPS. I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF LUCKY DOING A COOL MOTION. OKAY, I'M GOING TO DO A FEW THINGS BECAUSE I THINK WE KNOW AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO OBJECT, THEY CAN OBJECT. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS LOOK AT LINE ITEM 71. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MELISSA, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND UNFUND THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER, BUT LEAVE THE HEADCOUNT IN THE BUDGET. SO IS THIS A SELF-CONTAINED MOTION OR. IT IS. IT IS. I AM NOT DOING A MOTION ON THIS. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. OH, DON'T WORRY, YOU GOT THAT. YOU GOT SOME OF THOSE TRICKS FOR ME TO SUMMARIZE YOUR MOTION FOR NUMBER 71 TO UNFUND THE COMMUNICATION OFFICER, BUT LEAVE THE HEADCOUNT, OKAY? OKAY. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO THEN MOVE TO 74, WHICH IS TO REMOVE THE RECORDS CLERK FROM THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. AND THIS TIME I'M GOING TO MAKE IT TO WHERE 74 AND 75. I'M GOING TO MAKE THEM AS ONE MOTION. OKAY. BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, THE SHERIFF WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT DECISION WAS MADE, AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE MADE IT ON YOUR BEHALF. WOULD YOU PREFER AN ADMIN ASSISTANT OVER A RECORDS CLERK? OKAY. ALL

[04:00:07]

AND I, I AGAIN, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT IS OUR USE OF THIS BUILDING GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE? IS THAT THE ONLY OPTION? I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS BESIDES REPLACING THE CHILLER, WHICH YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL. I'M OKAY WITH NOT NOT FUNDING IT. AND IF IT DOESN'T MAKE THE LONE STAR PROGRAM, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT. I'M IN FAVOR OF PULLING IT OUT.

YEAH. I'M COMFORTABLE. WE CAN KICK THIS CAN TILL UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO BE OUT OF THIS RIDICULOUS HEAT. HOPEFULLY. SO YEAH, ANOTHER MONTH AND WE WON'T EVEN NEED IT.

AND WE WON'T. YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. YEAH WE DID. IT IS BREAKING AS WE SPEAK.

BUT I THINK I THINK THIS ALSO. BUT IS THERE ANY REASON TO THINK WE WOULDN'T GET IT IN THE LOAN. WELL, JUST BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE DEADLINE COMMISSIONER LICHTY YOU KNOW LIKE AND ERICA IS TRYING TO IT'S LISTED IN OUR ENGINE IN OUR ENGINEERING STUDY DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD DONE, BUT IT IS NOT LISTED WITH A PRICE FOR SOME REASON, WHICH MAY HAVE JUST BEEN AN OMISSION BY THEIR PART. BUT I'M I DON'T KNOW, IT QUALIFIES, NO DOUBT IT QUALIFIES FOR THE PROGRAM. I'M SHE'S JUST ERICA IS HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME GETTING AN ANSWER FROM EITHER THE STATE OR OUR ENGINEER THAT DID THE STUDY. SHE'S JUST NOT HEARING BACK FROM ANYONE, AND SHE'S AT A CONFERENCE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE DEADLINE. WHEN IS THE DEADLINE? IT'S THE END OF THE MONTH. AUGUST 31ST. MONDAY, CORRECT? YES. YEAH. I THINK THEN THERE'S A SECOND ONE THAT OPENS UP. IT'S DUE MONDAY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE THE SECOND PART IS AN MOU THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. NO, NO, NO, I MEANT THERE'S A SECOND LOAN WINDOW IN APRIL. SO THERE IS WE CAN WE CAN TRY AGAIN. WE HAVE MORE TIME AND IT WILL QUALIFY AND WE'LL GET IT DONE. BUT IT MAY NOT GET DONE FOR THIS DEADLINE IS IT. WE'RE JUST HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. NO, IT'S SO HARD TO APPLY FOR THESE THINGS IS SO IT'S SO TECHNICAL THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS STUDY DONE FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN.

AND THEY HAVE TO POINT THESE THINGS OUT IN THEIR STUDY. AND THEN YOU CAN USE THE THINGS THEY POINTED OUT. THEY WANT TO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S REDUCING. THEY WANT TO USE. THE STATE WANTS TO GUESS. THE STATE WANTS THE GUARANTEE THAT IT'S REDUCING ENERGY USAGE. THIS WILL CLEARLY QUALIFY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE 27 OR 28 YEARS OLD. SO IT WILL QUALIFY. YEAH, BUT

[04:05:04]

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ASK THE ENGINEER TO UPDATE TO HELP US, WHICH HAS BEEN NOT BENEFICIAL.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO ASK WHO'S NOT WITH THE COMPANY ANYMORE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ASK SOMEBODY ELSE WITH THE COMPANY THE ENGINEER WAS WITH TO HELP US. AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO ASK THE STATE, WELL, IS WHAT THEY LISTED GOOD ENOUGH? AND WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE ANSWERS WE NEED. BUT WE CAN ALWAYS APPLY AND WE CAN KICK IT BACK. WE WILL DO THAT. WE'LL APPLY, WE WILL APPLY. AND THEY CAN SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I JUST CAN'T BE 100% CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL GET IT. NOW, ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE STUFF, WE WILL 100% GET IT BECAUSE IT QUALIFIES. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET IT THIS TIME. INTERESTING THOUGH, JOHN, A STUDY BEFORE A PLAN. SHOCKING. THERE IT IS. THERE I SAW THAT SHOCKING. I SAW THAT COMING. IT IS. WE WILL NOT REMOVE THAT. I DESERVE THAT AND I'LL TAKE IT. CANNOT PROMISE YOU I WON'T BRING IT UP, BUT WE WILL NOT RELITIGATE. I LIKE THAT I HAVE A LONG MEMORY. OKAY, SO MOTION.

BUT YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE $400,000 CHILLER FROM THE BUDGET. ALL RIGHT, LET'S REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH ON OUR PAGES HERE? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. IT'S ALL ON PAGE ONE. YEAH, IT IS. FOUR.

FIVE AND SIX ARE STILL THERE. 11 HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED YET. NUMBER 56 HAS NOT BEEN. OH.

GOOD CATCH. YOU STILL HAVE THAT ONE ON PAGE TWO. OH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. NO NO. YEAH WE DO.

HANG ON. ALSO FOUR HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN FIVE. OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH. GOOD, GOOD. GO AHEAD. I THINK I HAVE A SUPER EASY ONE. AND AND I'LL, I'LL START BY SAYING THAT THE REASON I'M JUST NOW BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE I MISUNDERSTOOD ONE OF HR POLICIES. AND CAMI IS JUST CLARIFIED THAT FOR ME. AND SO WE BOTH AGREE THAT I NEED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE OFFICE MANAGER.

WE WILL ABSOLUTELY PUT THAT POSITION TO GOOD USE. WHEN I WAS DOING THE BUDGET, I PUT THE SALARY AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PAY PLAN. AND IT REMINDED ME WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS TALKING, THE OFFICE MANAGER FOR DETENTION AND FOR THE OPERATION SIDE IS $4,127 HIGHER THAN THE OFFICE MANAGER FOR THE THE NEW OFFICE MANAGER FOR THE DA'S OFFICE. I WAS THINKING THAT I COULD ADJUST THAT WITHIN THAT 10% AND JUST ADJUST IT TO IT.

BUT BECAUSE OF A QUIRK THAT WE HAVE IN IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, IF I HIRED A NEW PERSON, I COULD ADJUST IT. BUT BECAUSE SHE'S AN EXISTING PERSON IN MY OFFICE, I CAN'T. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL $4,127 TO BE ADDED TO THAT SALARY LINE, TO BRING IT INTO EXACT ALIGNMENT WITH THE OFFICE MANAGER IN BOTH THE JAIL DETENTIONS AND OPERATIONS. THERE IS NOT AN OFFICE MANAGER POSITION IN THE PAY GRADE ANYWHERE ELSE. SO IT WOULD BE JUST IT WOULD COMPORT WITH OFFICE MANAGER. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE IN THE PAY PLAN. AND IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A NEW PERSON YOU HIRED, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THIS NUMBER ANYWAY. I WOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST THAT TO THAT, THAT HIGHER NUMBER. BUT BECAUSE SHE'S AN EXISTING PERSON, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO. AND IT'S JUST A, IT'S A QUIRK THAT I, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT, BUT I JUST ASKED HER ABOUT IT AND SHE WAS LIKE, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT. WHAT WAS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? 4000, $4,127. LET ME LET ME CONFIRM THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE $4,127 ADJUSTMENT. I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT. OKAY, OKAY. MY MOTION FOR A MINUTE. IS THAT NOT LOADED? IF I'M NOT THE MATH PERSON YOU ARE. BUT IT'S IT'S THAT DIFFERENCE. NO, NO, NO, I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I'M LOOKING AT OUR PAY OUR PAY SCALE. IT'S THIS NUMBER WHICH MOVES MINIMUM TO THAT NUMBER, WHICH LOADS INTO THAT NUMBER.

WELL, BUT THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR BASE SALARY WITH THE COLA AND EVERYTHING. I THINK I'M I'M ASKING ISN'T THIS THE NUMBER? THIS IS IN OUR CURRENT PAY PLAN EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025. IS THIS NUMBER. BUDGETS ARE FUN. SO SO IT DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE COURT WANTS TO DO THIS.

SO WHAT SHE'S LOOKING AT IS THE CURRENT PAY PLAN AND NOT THE PAY PLAN AFTER THE 2.4%. SO CURRENTLY IT'S AT 66.5 60 FULLY LOADED TO 91.662. THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE BUDGET 72383 IS THAT POSITION WITH THE COLA OR WITH THE WITH THE 2.4%, WHICH GOES UP TO 98545. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT WE'RE GOING WE HAVE FUNDED THE 2.4% PAY PLAN

[04:10:05]

LET'S LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW. WHERE ARE WE? 56 PUBLIC SAFETY. SO. MY MY STANCE ON THIS IS WELL KNOWN. THE CITIES FUND HALF OF THIS FOR US. WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE OUR COORDINATOR IN PALO PINTO AND JACK COUNTY HELPING THE VICTIMS OF THE FIRES. WE HAVE OUR ASSISTANT WHO'S WORKING HALF TIME COMING BACK IN FROM MEDICAL LEAVE. AND I ARGUE THIS POSITION IS GREATLY NEEDED. OUR CITIES HAVE AGREED TO FUND IT. SO HALF OF IT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THAT WE KEEP THAT. SO THE 9000 OR THAT WE DO NOT REMOVE THE SPECIALIST RIGHT NOW. IT THE THE LINE ITEM SAYS REMOVE THE SPECIALIST. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE DO NOT REMOVE THE SPECIALIST AND KEEP IT HERE. AND IT WOULDN'T SAVE $91,000. IT WOULD SAVE WHAT LIKE 46 OR 45. IT'S ABOUT HALF. ABOUT HALF BECAUSE WE PAY HALF AND THE CITIES PAY THE OTHER HALF. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I WILL SAY, AND I'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION, THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THAT OFFICE WILL GO BACK TO TWO TWO PEOPLE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THREE IS NEEDED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. I'LL LET YOU TALK. THAT'S THAT'S A LITERAL IMPOSSIBLE MOVE TO MAKE ALMOST ONCE YOU INCREASE THE HEADCOUNT IN AN OFFICE. MAN. GOOD LUCK. WE DID IT. WE DID IT WITH THIS. IT WAS THREE. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT A YEAR, BUT LOOK HOW SOON IT CAME. MAKE IT ONE YEAR BEFORE Y'ALL WERE WORKING ON THIS. YOU JUST PROVED YOU EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. WELL, HOW LONG IS THE HALF TIME GOING TO HAPPEN FOR? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW LONG I DON'T I WOULD THINK A COUPLE MORE MONTHS MAYBE IS JUST ME GUESSING. NOT OKAY, NOT I'LL SAY WHAT I SAID EARLIER THEN. ARE WE MAKING A DECISION FOR A WHOLE YEAR THAT WE NEED TO GET BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR? YES, I WOULD SAY NO. AND YOU'RE SAYING WE ALWAYS NEED THREE. AND YOU JUST SAID YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO TWO. WELL, WHEN WHEN THROUGH ATTRITION, SOMEBODY GETS HIRED AWAY, WHICH THEY WILL. AND AGAIN, THE STATE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR OUR COORDINATOR TO COME HELP WITH THIS FIRE. I WON'T SAY NO UNLESS, YOU KNOW,

[04:15:02]

YES SIR. UNTIL ATTRITION. YEP. TO WHICH THE CASE STILL WILL BE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT MAYBE IF SO, I'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE SAYING YOU WERE CORRECT. YOU WERE CORRECT. BUT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I'VE ALREADY TOLD EVERYONE IN THAT OFFICE. WELL, THAT WAS MY HERE'S WHAT I KNOW. THERE'S NO ONE UP HERE THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT IT. IF WE HAVEN'T FORMED AN OPINION ON IT, KIND OF SHAME ON US. WE WE, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T LIKE GOING TO SAVE US A TON OF MONEY. WE WOULD HAVE IT WOULD FREE US UP A CAR THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING WITH. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONSTABLE'S POOL CARS, MAYBE WE DON'T. MAYBE WE SELL IT. THERE IS JUST A CAR FLOATING AROUND.

OKAY, I AM, I'M AGAINST THIS, FRANK. YOU KNOW I AM, AND I KNOW YOU'RE PASSIONATELY FOR IT.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THE REMOVAL OF THE SPECIALIST OR BASICALLY WE ACCEPT 56, WHICH IS REMOVING THE SPECIALIST FROM THE BUDGET. SO THAT IS A MOTION. I AM VOTING AGAINST IT. SOMEBODY OH, OH. SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT ONE PASSED 3 TO 2 THIS WEEK. ALL RIGHT. SO WE CAN REVISIT. YES WE WILL. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WHAT ELSE. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CHICKEN SCRATCH ON MY PAGE FOUR FIVE AND SIX. YEP. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ALSO SEE WHICH WOULD BE REALLY EASY. ALSO WHO SEE SEE AT THE VERY TOP. OH YEAH. I VOTE THAT WE DO THE TRANSFER OF COURT REPORTER SERVICES FUND FOR COURT REPORTER INCREASES OF 22,668. I MAKE THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. WE ARE. YEAH, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION THAT LISA SENT, SENT ME, SENT ALL OF US PROBABLY EARLIER THIS WEEK. AND IT, IT HAD TO DO WITH JUST SOME TRENDS THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING AS FAR AS OUR TAXES AND THE COLLECTION PORTION OF IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU WERE AWARE, BUT AND I'VE CALLED TWO OF THE CITY, SO I HAVEN'T CALLED ALL THE CITIES IN OUR IN OUR AREA. BUT MOST OF THE CITIES USUALLY HAVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR TAXES ARE BEING PAID ABOUT 90% IN THE 90S. THEY'RE GETTING THAT USUALLY IN THE TIME PERIOD AFTER YOUR BILLS ARE SENT OUT. BUT WE HERE AT THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN SEEING A DIFFERENCE IN EROSION, SO TO SPEAK, OF WHERE IT USED TO BE. I THINK YOU SAID 8020 WOULD GET 80% OF IT, MAYBE 20 THAT WE MAY HAD TO COLLECT. I DID VISIT WITH WADE GENT WITH LINEBARGER THIS MORNING, JUST TO KIND OF SEE IF WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY IS SOMETHING THAT HE IS SEEING.

AND HE DID AGREE THAT THE COUNTIES THAT THEY ARE WORKING FOR THAT THE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE COLLECTION PROCESSES AS FAR AS THAT PERCENTAGES ARE TRENDING TO WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING SOMEWHERE IN THE THE SOMEWHERE IN THE 75, 25%, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE PAYING THEIR CITY AND SCHOOL TAXES, BUT NOT COUNTY. I CAN'T SAY THAT I JUST CALLED TWO CITIES AND THEY BOTH SAID THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 90% IN THE 90S. WE, WE, I AGREE WITH YOU COLLECT IN EXCESS OF 100%. OH, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FLOW OF NOW.

OKAY, I, WHAT I, THE TREND THAT I SAW WAS THAT INSTEAD OF COLLECTING BETWEEN OCTOBER AND JANUARY 31ST, YOU NORMALLY WOULD HAVE COLLECTED LIKE 80, 85% BY THAT TIME. BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED THIS YEAR IS THAT AFTER JANUARY 31ST IS WHEN YOU START COLLECTING, YOU'RE COLLECTING MORE AFTER THAT DATE THAN YOU EVER HAVE BEFORE. YOU'RE NOT NOT COLLECTING. SO WE'RE GETTING IT. IT'S JUST DELINQUENT. YEAH. GOT IT. AND WHEN I REACHED OUT TO CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THEY EXPLAINED IT ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING REFINANCED THEIR HOMES AND THAT THEIR TAXES ARE NOT PAID THROUGH THE MORTGAGE COMPANY AND THAT THEY'RE MAKING

[04:20:05]

AROUND THE INVOICES THAT THAT DEPARTMENTS SUBMIT TO US FOR PAYMENT. AND THEN WE NEED SIGNATURE ON THE INVOICES FOR APPROVAL. THEY'RE WANTING US TO DISTRIBUTE IT THROUGH DOCUSIGN.

THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO DO LESS THINGS ON EMAIL BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S HARD TO PROTECT AND MORE THINGS THROUGH THINGS LIKE THIS THAT ARE EASY. GOT IT.

OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO PUT DOCUSIGN INTO THE BUDGET FEEL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT PASSES 3 TO 2. OKAY. SO ON THE TIME KEEPING WHAT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE MOTION. AND THEN I THINK BASED UPON MY NOTES, THAT PRETTY MUCH PUTS US PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE END HERE. SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO GO UP OR DOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE UKG, TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL SERVICES, THAT WE KEEP THE TIMEKEEPING HARDWARE IN THE BUDGET, THAT WE MOVE. THE PERSONNEL REQUESTED BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE INTO HR TO DO OUR PAYROLL. AND THAT IS MY MOTION. GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY. AND THAT PASSES 3 TO 2. MAY I MAY I ASK, PLEASE, ONE SOMEWHAT SELFISH. THE THE PAY THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THE TREASURER'S OFFICE CLERK OR NEW ASSISTANT TREASURER WAS A HIGHER. YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO DROP IT TO WHAT WHAT RANGE WAS THAT FOR? WHAT. IT'S GOING TO BE 42. WHAT POSITION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE PAYROLL CLERK IS GOING TO BE AT 42 AND NOT 47. OKAY. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT IT WAS A SIGN THAT THE PAY THAT THAT CAMI WAS WANTING IT AT IT'S JOB GRADE FOR IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE BUDGET AS JOB GRADE SIX. SO THAT'LL BE A SAVINGS TO YOUR BUDGET AS WELL. WHICH LINE IS IT? IT'S IN THIS ONE. NO IT'S NOT. THERE WAS A JOB GRADE SIX AND WE'RE MAKING A JOB GRADE FOUR. OKAY. AND SO THEN THE ONLY OTHER ONE AND COMMISSIONER GALLARDO JUST BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. BUT IS THE ITEM NUMBER 11 ON THE PUBLIC INPUT FROM WHAT I TOOK TODAY FROM OUR DISCUSSION, IS THAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK WITH JARED IN REGARDS

[04:25:02]

AND IRINA TALKED TO IRINA AND JIM AND SEE IF WE CAN'T DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT. YEAH. SO LET'S JUST I'M GOING TO VISIT WITH THEM. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A SECOND DRAFT, DO WE WANT THAT IN OR NOT IN? I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT IF WE PUT IT IN AT THIS POINT, IF THAT'S OKAY, THAT WE THAT WE PUT IN MONEY, WE PUT IN, I'LL JUST USE SOFTWARE. HOW ABOUT THAT, THAT WE PUT IN SOME TYPE OF A, WE DO HAVE A GENERAL LINE SOFTWARE IN COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. SO YOU WANT TO JUST INCREASE THAT BY $30,000. WELL, 28 IS WHAT WE HAVE. BUT YEAH. 31 WHAT IS THIS FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT I SPOKE ABOUT THIS MORNING? YEAH. GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. BUT WE MAY NOT BE IT MAY NOT BE PUBLIC INPUT. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER WORK WAYS AROUND. SO WHAT WHAT IS THE MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT THAT WE PUT 28,000 IN FOR SOFTWARE THAT COULD BE USED WITH OUR PIO, THAT THAT COULD BE FORWARD FACING FOR THE PUBLIC AND POSSIBLY USING SOME OF THE ALREADY RESOURCES WE HAVE. THAT'S A LONG MOTION. NO, THAT'S FINE. I WILL GO WITH YOU ON THERE, BUT I DO WANT TO EXPLORE IT IN A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO SEE WHERE WE WANT TO GO. ALL RIGHT. REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 4 TO 1. OKAY. NOW, WHAT HAVE WE FORGOTTEN? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE FORGOT IS TO CLEAN UP ON THE DEPUTY CONSTABLE IS CURRENTLY 25, 25, 25, 25. DO WE WANT TO NOW THAT WE LOOKED AT HIRING TWO DEPUTY CONSTABLES, DO WE WANT TO CONSOLIDATE. WE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR CHAD. CHAD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOGG ASSIGNED TO ONE AND FOUR. SO AS WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE TO THE AUDITOR. SO AND MAYBE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. IT WAS COURT ACTION THAT ESSENTIALLY CREATED THAT. YEAH, THAT SPLIT IT ALL UP. DO WE NEED COURT ACTION OR CAN WE DO THAT DURING THE BUDGET? IS IT JUST THAT SIMPLE OF US ALLOCATING IT, UNDERSTANDING THAT UNTIL THE BUDGET'S ADOPTED THAT NOTHING'S NOTHING'S REAL? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK YOU WHEN YOU ADOPT YOUR FY 27 BUDGET AND WE'VE BUDGETED THE FUNDS IN ONE AND FOUR SOLELY THAT THAT'S YOUR YOUR ACCENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO SORRY, COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION AGAIN? YEAH. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOGG IN PRECINCTS ONE AND FOUR. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. WELL, WE DIDN'T ACTUAL ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION. SO IT PASSES 5 TO 0. AND AGAIN. AND THIS IS FOR DEPUTY FOGG. NOTHING'S FINAL TILL THE BUDGET'S APPROVED. SO YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, CONSTABLE. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THAT THIS MORNING, AND I TOLD COMMISSIONER GALLARDO THAT I TALKED TO CONSTABLE BENEDETTO AND WE WERE BOTH FINE. I WANTED THAT TO BE ON RECORD. I'M CONSTABLE RANDY PARKS, ROCKWALL COUNTY, PRECINCT FOUR THAT WERE TOGETHER ON THAT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ONE IN FOR HIM. YEP, YEP. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE WAY I ALWAYS REALLY WAS. BUT BOBBY WAS GOING TO PUT IT IN MIND AND IT GOT KIND OF CONFUSING. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT. GOT IT.

WE'LL BE FINE TOGETHER. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT, AUDITORS, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? OKAY.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THE MDT FOR THAT WAS ON FOR A NUMBER 68 THAT WAS APPROVED. THERE WERE VEHICLE CAMERAS, RADIOS, MDTS. WELL THE RADIO NEVER MIND THAT. THAT'S A HANDHELD RADIO, BUT THE MDT AND THE VEHICLE CAMERA, DO YOU ARE WE JUST ASSUMING THAT THE. THERE'LL BE A HAND-ME-DOWN FROM THE FROM CARS OR YOU YOU HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION TO BUY A CAR YET FOR THE CONSTABLE'S TWO AND THREE PART TIMES. SO WE'RE GOING TO USE. TREY DOES HAVE A VEHICLE HE SAYS WILL LAST AT LEAST A COUPLE MORE YEARS FOR HIS DEPUTY. SO WE'RE GOOD THERE.

AND THEN CAPTAIN BROWN HAS ONE COMING OUT THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE NEW DEPUTY, AND THREE, BUT WE WILL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOME TAKE SOME THINGS OFF AND PUT SOME THINGS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF DOESN'T WANT TO HAND DOWN. AND SO DO YOU WANT US TO ADD A FIVE, $10,000 TO THE BUDGET FOR CAPITAL, FOR FOR STRIPPING THE CAR AND, AND RE SIGNAGE AND STUFF? YEP. YEAH.

[04:30:09]

ALL RIGHT. AND WE CAN, AND THEN WE CAN DEBATE THAT WE MAY NOT NEED ALL OF THAT STUFF IN THE IN THE DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S VEHICLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL WHAT THE COURT WILL DECIDE. BUT BUT FOR NOW, WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THERE. OKAY, MELISSA, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? YOU GOT THAT SECOND, SECOND DRAFT READY. I CAN START WORKING ON THAT SECOND DRAFT.

OKAY, SO, COMMISSIONERS, CLEARLY THE SECOND DRAFT IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE TODAY. SO I THINK TOMORROW'S MEETING, ALL WE HAD WAS BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. IS THAT CORRECT. SO I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO BE ALLOWED TO JUST CANCEL IT. OR DO WE NEED TO SHOW UP. AND THEN I, I, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I'LL SHOW UP, VOTE TO ADJOURN. OKAY. I MEAN, I CAN BE HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN BE HERE TOO, BUT I'M SAYING THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY MEETING NEEDING TO MEET, BUT IT IS A POSTED MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS WHEN WE POST A MEETING. YEAH, I WILL FIGURE THAT OUT. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL CONVENE THE MEETING, THEN ADJOURN. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PICK UP ANY NEW SOFTWARE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ARE YOU? THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS. I'LL HAVE TO GET MY CATALOG AND SEE. OKAY. SO

[6) COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS:]

COMMISSIONER LICHTY. I'LL WAIT FOR HIM. I HAVE NOTHING, SIR. OKAY, I'LL PASS AT 318.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.