Sep 01, 2026 Commissioners Court Special Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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SEPTEMBER 1ST OPENING DAY OF DOVE SEASON. FOR THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE, IT IS 9 A.M. I'M

[INVOCATION:  Commissioner Lorne Liechty]

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG:  Judge New]

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS FLAG:  Judge New]

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM ONE,

[1) PUBLIC FORUM:]

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KATHLEEN BROS. AND I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ROCKWALL COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. WE MOVED TO ROCKWALL IN 1988, AND I'VE BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY AND SERVED ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD OFF AND ON FOR. SINCE THE EARLY 1990S. I WAS ACTUALLY THE CHAIRMAN WHEN WE LEARNED THAT THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE OLD POST OFFICE BUILDING WHERE THE LIBRARY WAS HOUSED AT THAT TIME WAS NOT LOAD BEARING FOR STACKS. AND SO IT OCCURRED TO US THAT WE PROBABLY NEEDED TO BUILD A LIBRARY. AND SO WE REALIZED THAT NEED AND TO BUILD THAT LIBRARY IN ALONGSIDE WITH ALONGSIDE OF KATHY NELSON AND MANY OTHERS, SET INTO MOTION THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT A REALITY. AND HOW DID WE START WITH A STUDY? A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE LIBRARY NEEDS, BASED ON PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH, DEMOGRAPHIC? I'M SORRY, DEMOGRAPHICS, COMMUNITY INPUT, AND DATA THAT COULD BE QUANTIFIED TO JUSTIFY ITS RECOMMENDATIONS. WE SHARED WITH.

SORRY, WE STARTED WITH THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. MUCH LIKE THE CURRENT PROPOSED STUDY, THIS PROPOSED STUDY INCLUDES ALL THE STEPS THAT WE TOOK TO BEGIN THE PROCESS TO BUILD THE LIBRARY THAT OPENED 18 YEARS AGO. ACTUALLY, THE PROCESS BEGAN ABOUT 28 YEARS AGO. A WIDE VARIETY OF COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUPS WERE HELD TO GARNER AND PRIORITIZE THE EXPECTATIONS FOR A LIBRARY. THE NEXT STEP WAS TO LOOK AT PROJECTED GROWTH OF THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS, AND THEN DETERMINE LIBRARY SPACE NEEDS BASED ON STATE AND NATIONAL LIBRARY STANDARDS. THE CURRENT LIBRARY WAS PLANNED TO SERVE THE PROJECTED NEEDS OF THE COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS, AND WE'RE IN YEAR 18. BUT ONLY AFTER THE FINAL REPORT AND ALL THE INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE WERE WE ABLE TO FORMULATE A PLAN. WE VISITED SEVERAL LIBRARIES IN THE DFW AREA. I HAD A VAN, A FULL SIZE VAN AT THE TIME. SOCCER MOM LOADED UP FOLKS AND WE RAN ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING AT LIBRARIES. AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM SPECIALIZING IN BUILDING LIBRARIES DESIGNED THE BUILDING, AND IN 2004, WE NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.

SO THE COUNTY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED LAND FOR COUNTY COMPLEX THAT INCLUDED A

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WE ALSO RECEIVE COPIES OF THOSE. ON AVERAGE, THERE'S MORE THAN 13,000 PATRONS THAT ATTEND THE LIBRARY EVERY MONTH. THAT'S OVER 600 PEOPLE A DAY, MORE THAN 22,000 BOOKS ARE CHECKED OUT EACH MONTH. AND THOSE ARE BOOKS, PAPER BOOKS, AND ROUGHLY 700 COMMUNITY PEOPLE MEET IN THE VARIOUS MEETING ROOMS IN THE BUILDING. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ATTENDANCE FOR LIBRARY PROGRAMS. NONE OF THE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS, AND THESE STATS ARE AN AVERAGE MONTH DURING THE SUMMER, THOSE NUMBERS DOUBLE. SO WE KNOW THE LIBRARY IS A BUSY PLACE AND IT'S A BEACON FOR THE ROCKWALL COMMUNITY. THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD WAS ASKED TO PROPOSE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR THE LIBRARY, AND WE BEGAN BY DOING A COMMUNITY SURVEY. THAT SURVEY TOOK PLACE LAST FALL AND SPRING, AND THE RESULTS WERE PRESENTED HERE TO YOU LAST APRIL. AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, THE MOST HIGHLY RATED THING WAS YOUR STAFF, THEIR FRIENDLINESS, THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND AND WELCOMING ATTITUDES. THIS CONSULTING FIRM THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT OUR SURVEY, LOOKED AT OUR SURVEY AND CONSIDERED IT TO BE A GOOD ONE AND ONE THAT THEY COULD USE IN DETERMINING NEEDS RATHER THAN GOING TO THE EXPENSE OF, OF DOING ANOTHER COMMUNITY SURVEY. MY PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND FUND THE PROPOSED STUDY TO ANALYZE WHAT WE HAVE, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CURRENT UTILIZATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE STAFF, AND THEN TO HAVE SOME RELIABLE DATA TO USE TO PLAN A FUTURE LIBRARY FOR FUTURE LIBRARY NEEDS. I'M NOT CONVINCED WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW LIBRARY, BUT THIS STUDY WILL GIVE US A VARIETY OF OPTIONS FOR CURRENT ACTIONS, AS WELL AS SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM GOALS. IT WILL HELP SHOW HOW THE LIBRARY FITS INTO THE COUNTYWIDE FUTURE FACILITY PLANS. THIS STUDY IS AN INVESTMENT THAT WILL BE THAT WILL NOT BE OBSOLETE IN A FEW YEARS, BUT WILL BE USED AS A TOOL TO ADDRESS FUTURE LIBRARY NEEDS FOR THE LONG TERM. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU.

KATHLEEN. ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. THANK YOU. MA'AM. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT REGARDING ANY COUNTY MATTERS? TREASURER PEAKE? AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GIVE DEPARTMENT HEADS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UNDER AGENDA ITEM THREE ON THE BUDGET.

BUT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. JUST UNDER AGENDA ITEM THREE, YOU WON'T HAVE TIME CONSTRAINTS.

SO THANK YOU, JUDGE. I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPEAK UNDER AGENDA ITEM THREE AS WELL. IF THE COURT WOULD WOULD LIKE ANY ANY REMARKS AT THAT POINT. GOOD MORNING JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT Y'ALL CONTINUE DOING THESE PUBLIC FORUMS. AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES WHO HAVE TRIED TO TIGHTEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS DOWN. I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, BUT I APPRECIATE THE COURT ALWAYS BEING AVAILABLE TO HAVE THIS ON YOUR AGENDA. MY REMARKS WILL BE BRIEF, AND AGAIN, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN IT GETS TO THE THE THE BUDGET ISSUES. ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26TH, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT VOTED ON THE FOLLOWING MOTION INCLUDE UKG TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL SERVICES THAT WE KEEP THE TIMEKEEPING HARDWARE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE MOVE THE PERSONNEL REQUESTED BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE INTO HR TO DO OUR PAYROLL. THAT MOTION PASSED 3 TO 2 COMMISSIONERS STACEY, GALLINA AND MCCULLOCK VOTED IN FAVOR. JUDGE NJOO AND COMMISSIONER LICHTY VOTED AGAINST AFTER TALKING TO ALL FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COURT FOLLOWING THAT VOTE, IT APPEARS THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THAT MOTION. THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE SEPARATE PAYROLL RELATED ISSUES IN THAT MOTION, AND MY

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I APPRECIATE THE TIME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT REGARDING ANY COUNTY MATTERS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO AND

[2.A)   TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENTHouse Bill 1522, passed by the Texas Legislature in 2025, amends section 551.043 of the Texas Government Code to require that the notice of a meeting required to be posted under section 551.043(a) of the Texas Open Meetings Act, at which a governmental body will discuss or adopt a budget for the governmental body, must include a taxpayer impact statement showing, for the median-valued homestead property, a comparison of the property tax bill in dollars pertaining to the property for the current fiscal year to an estimate of the property tax bill in dollars for the same property for the upcoming fiscal year. Rockwall County has proposed a budget for the County’s 2026-2027 fiscal year. Rockwall County intends to adopt its budget on or before September 30, 2026.         TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT                ]

[3.A) Discuss/Act on the proposed FY2027 1st draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New) https://rockwallcountytexas.com/DocumentCenter/View/14507/FY27-Proposed-Budget]

YEP. NOW, NOW IS THE TIME FOR CONVERSATION. OKAY. AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'M GOING TO SUSPEND THE RULES. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE JUST ONE PERSON BEING ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION. BUT THAT DOESN'T OKAY, DOESN'T REMOVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION. SO SO IN VISIO, I GUESS YOU'VE YOU'VE STATED WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT YOU DIDN'T REALLY STATE YOUR SUPPORTING FACTORS OF WHY. SO I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO AT LEAST STATE MY SUPPORTING FACTORS IS THAT THIS COUNTY AND ALL OF US ON THIS ON THIS DAIS, THREE OF US WERE HERE WHEN WE WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE CONTRACT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING CONSULTANT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER LICHTY AND COMMISSIONER GALLINA JOINED US.

THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE TIME. WE INVESTED WITH BOTH THE STRATEGIC PLAN CONSULTANT AND WITHIN VISIO, WE'RE OVER $300,000 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY AND WE BELIEVED IN IT. WE HAVE A SOLID. WE HAD A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST AND COMMENTS FROM OUR CITIZENS. AND IF WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT IS. THAT IS A KNOWN SOFTWARE. DO I THINK THAT SOMEONE IN OUR IN OUR OUR EMPLOYEES COULD WRITE A. WRITE A CODE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF WHAT ALL OF WHAT OR SOME ALL OF WHAT VISIO HAS. YEAH, BUT WHY DO WE WANT TO DO THAT WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A VERY WELL KNOWN SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO HELP US BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO OUR. TELL OUR, BE TRANSPARENT WITH OUR, WITH OUR CITIZENS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO FOR THAT, I CANNOT SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER. I YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONER STACEY BROUGHT UP BEFORE, I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT IRINA CAN DO FOR IT ONLY AND ONLY IF IT'S GOING TO BE AS GOOD AND WILL PROVIDE THE PUBLIC, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WITH THE SAME INFORMATION, ONLY BECAUSE I AM. TRYING TO BE REALLY CAUTIOUS WITH WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON ALL OF THESE EVER INCREASING MAINTENANCE

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THAT PASSES 4 TO 1. OKAY. WHAT NEXT? JUDGE AT THE LAST MEETING. I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF IF YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER. BUT AT THE LAST MEETING, OR MAYBE IT WAS TWO MEETINGS AGO. I'M LOSING TRACK. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE REMOVE THE LIBRARY STUDY. WE HEARD ONE PERSON SPEAK TO IT THIS MORNING. ALREADY OUR LIBRARIAN, MARCIN HAS COME HERE. I PREPARED A MATERIALS YESTERDAY. COULD WE GO TO THAT? YEAH. SO THE LIBRARIAN, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I DID, I WAS REMISS. I TOLD THE DEPARTMENT HEADS I WOULD LET THEM EACH COME SPEAK. AND AND WE GOT OUT OF THE GATE AND I GOT, I GOT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE BEFORE I DID THAT. SO LET'S IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SHE CAN PROBABLY COME ON UP. MARCIN AND THEN THEN I'M GOING TO CHRIS LYNCH. I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU SPEAK AFTER AND THEN KIM SWEET IF YOU WANT TO GO AFTER THAT. AND THEN YEAH. DAVID PEAK IF YOU WANT ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE AFTER KIM SWEET WE CAN. AND THEN RANDY I WON'T FORGET

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THEY LIKE THE STAFF. BUT WE NEED MORE. WE NEED MORE ROOM FOR PROGRAMING. WE NEED MORE STAFF TO DO THE PROGRAMING. WE NEED MORE. SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO JUST HANG OUT. PEOPLE LIKE TO DO THAT. THAT'S A REAL TREND IN WHAT PEOPLE WANT FROM THEIR LIBRARIES. WE HAVE SOME OF THAT, BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE WOULD LIKE MORE. SO I'M ASKING THAT WE DO A STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IT MAY BE A NEW BUILDING, OR IT MAY BE REWORKING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ADDING SOME SPACE TO IT. BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNLESS WE HAVE AN EXPERT LOOK AT IT AND HELP US WITH THAT. I KNOW I HAVE MY OPINION, BUT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OPINIONS AND NONE OF US ARE QUALIFIED LIBRARY CONSULTANTS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I'M ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO DO A STUDY TO HELP US START TO MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE THE LONGER WE DELAY THE STUDY, THE LONGER WE DELAY THE PLAN, THE LONGER WE DELAY THE EXTENDED SERVICE THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR AND DESERVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS FOR MARCY? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE DOES, GO AHEAD, PLEASE, BECAUSE I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS, I MY ONLY QUESTION WILL BE BRIEFLY CONVERSED YESTERDAY IS I JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH A STUDY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STUDY ENCOMPASSES WHAT WE REALLY NEED. I KNOW THAT WE KIND OF CHOPPED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO REIN IN THE COST. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL PROVIDING US WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT MARCY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING THE LIBRARY IN ITS CURRENT SPACE AND POTENTIALLY ADDING TO IT IS RIGHT, OR WHETHER A NEW FACILITY IS RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE WE ALL KNOW THE LIBRARY NEEDS HAVE CHANGED OVER 18 YEARS. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD TO DO THAT. WE ALL SUPPORT THE LIBRARY HERE ON THIS COURT. AND IT IT DOES A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SPEND ON THIS STUDY IS GOING TO PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION TO MAKE, HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS SOON. THAT'S THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES. MARCIN. YES, SIR? DO YOU THINK THIS STUDY WILL PROVIDE US THAT INFORMATION? I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL. I BELIEVE SHE WILL SHOW US WHAT THE COST OF AN APPROPRIATELY SIZED NEW FACILITY WOULD BE PROJECTED TO BE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. SHE KNOWS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE COST AND ALL THAT. AND I THINK SHE ALSO CAN GIVE US SOME EXPERT OPINION ON WHETHER THE CURRENT FACILITY CAN BE APPROPRIATELY ADDED ON TO WHETHER OUR PARKING WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR THAT. YES, I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL GIVE US GUIDANCE ON WHETHER WE NEED TO EXPAND OR WHETHER WE NEED TO MOVE. RIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER GALANOS SUPPORT

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WE TOOK THAT OFF THINKING WE COULD DO IT OURSELVES, TRYING TO SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THIS THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO PROVIDE ON PAGE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW, SHORT TERM GOALS AND LONG TERM BUILDING GOALS. I WOULD LOVE IT, COMMISSIONER, IF WE WOULD PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE FUDGE MONEY IN THERE IF WE WANT TO DO MORE, BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS FIND MORE TO DO. BUT WE REALLY TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WOULD WORK.

AND I KNOW THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

WE CAN'T. THERE'S NO POINT IN DOING A STUDY UNLESS WE HAVE A PLAN. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. WE. IT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH A PLAN UNLESS WE DO A STUDY. SO AGAIN, THERE WAS WE HAD WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING. EVERYBODY GAVE THEIR THOUGHTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. AND EVERYBODY EXPRESSED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE LIBRARY. NO ONE'S QUESTIONING THAT ON ANYBODY'S PART. BUT I WANT TO BRING FORWARD ONE OTHER THING. IF WE DO THIS, THE POINT SOMEONE MADE THE POINT. I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHO THAT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO A STUDY THAT SITS ON A SHELF. AND BOY, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO WHEN IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, Y'ALL, WE NEED TO BE THINKING 3 TO 5 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND SOME BIG MONEY PROBABLY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I'LL SAY THE SAME THING I SAID REGARDING SOMETHING ELSE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S PREPARE TO PROCEED AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET IT DONE. AND FRANKLY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I KNOW, AGAIN, EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE LIBRARY. WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF HOW TO GET THERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP, AND IT WILL LEAD US TO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE SOME REAL ACTIVE STEPS AND BE WILLING TO TAKE THE PUBLIC CRITICISM THAT ALWAYS COMES WITH SPENDING MONEY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS AND THE DECISION WE MAKE BASED ON THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT, MARCIN. AGAIN, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO KILL THIS OR TO SPEND MORE MONEY, WHICH I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED WHAT WE WOULD GET WITH THAT

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NUMBER ONE, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO PROBABLY LOOK AT ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO IT, BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPER DRASTIC. BUT I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, SINCE WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE LIBRARY BOARD AND THE LIBRARIAN HERE, I DO THINK THAT MOST OF THE CONCERN WAS WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE STUDY. IT WASN'T DOING THE STUDY. SO I WILL JUST CONTRAST THAT TO INITIALLY, WE HAD A PARK HILL COME OUT. THEY WERE GOING TO SPEND $75,000 DOING THIS, AND THIS IS GOING TO SPEND $70,000 DOING THIS. SO THEY'RE WE'RE GETTING ABOUT WHAT THE MARKET RATE IS. BUT THEIR GOAL WAS TO STUDY THE EXISTING BUILDING AND JUST BUILD THE LIBRARY WITH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. MY POINT WAS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO GET FROM THE STUDY? RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO DO THIS STUDY, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GET WHAT COULD WE DO WITH THE LIBRARY? WE WOULD GET THIS IS HOW YOU REDO THIS BUILDING TO ITS. YEAH, THAT WAS FROM MAY OF 2025. SO SO NO, NO NO NO. SO SO MY POINT WASN'T WHETHER WE STUDY IT. MY POINT WAS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE STUDY FROM THE STUDY THAT WAS GIVEN TO US IN JUNE TO THIS STUDY? I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT THIS STUDY THAN THAT. SO I WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE STUDY THAN STUDYING IT. I JUST WANT THAT TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE LIBRARY BOARD AND TO THE LIBRARIAN. I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR LIBRARY. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE. IT'S 20 YEARS OLD.

DO WE GO IN AND THEN JUST REVAMP IT? DO WE GO IN AND DO ALL THE CHILLERS AND ALL THE MECHANICAL AND REPLACE SOME CARPET? OR DO WE LOOK AT SOMETHING MORE EXPANSIVE AND WE HAVE TO STUDY THAT? SO MY POINT WASN'T THAT IT WAS WHAT DIRECTION WHERE WE ACTUALLY PREPARED TO GO AS A COURT WHEN WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD, BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT. THIS IS OPENING US UP TO A STUDY THAT COULD SAY YOU NEED A NEW LIBRARY AND THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. AND OR IT COULD BE OPENING US UP TO THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE ANYTHING. AND I KNOW MARCIN WANTS TO CHANGE STUFF. I'M SAYING THE STUDY IS GOING TO BE THE STUDY. AND I JUST WANT US TO KIND OF GO WITH WITH OPEN EYES. BUT LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK THE NUMBER NEEDS TO BE CLOSER TO 70. I THINK I THINK WE PUT IT IN LIKE RIGHT AT 62 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT, BUT WE PUT IT IN AT 65. OKAY. I JUST THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE BEING QUOTED, I KNOW IT'S MINOR, BUT THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE COURT ACTION IN FIVE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS. I THINK 70 IS A BETTER NUMBER. AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE CHANGES YOU MADE TO THE STUDY, AND I AM IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS STUDY AS IS PRESENTED TODAY. GREAT. THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION AND I WANT TO I JUST IF IT'S OKAY, I WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT THAT TOO. I, I REALLY LIKE THAT THIS IS A, THAT THIS GROUP IS THAT THEY FOCUS ON LIBRARIES AS OPPOSED TO PARK HILL. OKAY. SO THAT'S, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD GROUP FOR US TO START WITH. AND, AND PARK HILL WORKS WITH THEM A LOT. THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE A LIBRARY CONSULTANT TO EXAMINE THE LIBRARY. AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO THE PARK HILL STUDY, BUT THE GOAL WAS FOR THEM TO HIRE A LIBRARY CONSULTANT TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE TOTALLY FINE JUST DOING IT OURSELVES. SO WAS WAS THAT A MOTION, COMMISSIONER? STACEY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE THAT WE JUST MOVE IT TO 70 AND JUST ADJUST THE CONTINGENCY $5,000 IN FUND 51. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARCIN? THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU BET. THANK YOU LADIES. MR. CHRIS LYNCH ELECTIONS. HEY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. HEY.

I'VE GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS OFFLINE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT I GOT IT ON RECORD THAT MY DEPARTMENT AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE OVERTIME IS JUST UNAVOIDABLE. THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. WITH ANY ELECTION SCHEDULE THAT YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU LOOK AT A WEEK OF 12 HOUR DAYS, WEEKENDS, A 16 HOUR DAY ON ELECTION DAY AND THE RUN UP TO THAT. SO THIS COURT, I THINK YOU GUYS GAVE ME LIKE 15 GRAND FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR FOR AN OVERTIME LINE, WHICH WORKS IN THE UPCOMING FY, WILL DO TWO ELECTIONS, ONE OF THOSE ELECTIONS THE COUNTY WON'T SPEND A DIME ON, BECAUSE I'LL CONTRACT WITH THOSE ENTITIES THAT WANT TO DO A SATURDAY MAY ELECTION. MY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT COMP TIME. WELL, IN MY DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MAXED OUT ON COMP TIME. I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT THAT PRESENTS, BUT NO ONE THAT'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU THIS MORNING HAS A DOG IN THAT FIGHT PER SE, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET COMP TIME, OVERTIME OR ANY OF THAT FOOLISHNESS. SO MY JOB IS NARROWLY TO GIVE YOU THE

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WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEN JUDGING THEM FOR MAXIMIZING THAT BENEFIT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE GIVE THEM BENEFITS FOR, IS TO MAXIMIZE IT. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE DOING THAT. I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS COMP TIME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT YOU TO HOW TO SPEND IT. I THINK I STILL FALL ON LET'S GO TO OVERTIME AND GET RID OF COMP TIME. I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO PAY PEOPLE FOR THEIR WORK. AND, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK TO I WAS GOING TO LET YOU COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE YOU MADE THE COMMENT AND I LIKE THE ADJUSTMENT. I LIKE LAUREN'S COMMENT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS, BUT IT WAS LIKE, HEY, MAN, NOT NOT ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE CREATED EQUAL. SO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT SOMEONE FOR 20 HOURS OVERTIME, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, YOU SHOULD AT A MINIMUM, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR EMAIL OR OFFICE CALL, EXPLAIN HOW YOU GOT THERE AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD. THAT'S ALL JUST ONE THING I WANT TO CLEAR UP. WHEN WE CHANGED THAT POLICY BACK IN JUNE. IF YOU USE YOUR COMP TIME, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU LOSE YOUR VACATION. YEAH. AGREED. YOU STILL GET YOUR VACATION TIME. BUT IF I GOT LIKE ME, I GOT 200 HOURS VACATION, WHETHER I USE THAT OR NOT, WHATEVER. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY COMP TIME. SO IF I'M A PERSON WITH VACATION TIME, AND I WOULD RATHER BURN THAT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNOW I GOT A WEEK'S PAYCHECK COMING MY WAY IN THE WAY OF 40 HOURS COMP TIME. WHENEVER I LEAVE, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS POTENTIAL MONIES THAT I MAY NEED DOWN THE ROAD. AND IF I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THAT OPTION AWAY FROM AN EMPLOYEE WHO WORKED THOSE 40 HOURS. YEAH. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CAUSED, AS YOU KNOW, CHRIS, IT'S CAUSED A TON OF DEBATE UP HERE ON THIS WHOLE COMP TIME ISSUE. BUT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BENEFITS COMMITTEE, INCLUDING MY PAL, COMMISSIONER STACY, TRIED TO CORRECT AT THE TIME, BECAUSE THE IDEA AND ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WAS USED TO GET RID OF COMP TIME TOTALLY WAS THAT IF YOU GET COMP TIME IN YEAR ONE AND YOU BANK IT TILL YEAR 20, IT'S WORTH TWICE AS MUCH AS IT WAS IN YEAR ONE. AGREED. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO CORRECT. AND, AND SO THAT THAT TIME WOULD BE USED WHEN IT WAS EARNED AT THE RATE IT WAS EARNED. I'VE ALWAYS VIEWED COMP TIME AS SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BUILD UP, FRANKLY. BUT THAT'S FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I USED TO DO. AND WHEN I WAS IN A DIFFERENT JOB, BUT I VIEWED IT AS VERY BENEFICIAL AND FLEXIBLE AND GAVE THE EMPLOYEE, THE MANAGER A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE EMPLOYEES TO GET THAT. SO THE, THE, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IN JUNE, WE TRIED TO PREVENT. AND SO NOW THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS. YOU TURN OVER THE ROCK AND I GET IT. IT'S, IT'S NOT CLEAN. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO NOW I THINK THE DEBATE HAS MORPHED INTO, CAN WE TRY AND FIX IT ONE, ONE THING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, WHICH FRANKLY, IS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO SAY, LOOK, WE'VE MADE A POLICY IN JUNE. LET'S LET IT LIVE A YEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND THEN IF WE CAN ADDRESS IT NEXT YEAR, OR DO WE TOTALLY GET RID OF COMP TIME

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BUT IF WE'RE GETTING RID OF COMP TIME, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU I WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO COMES IN AT THE END OF THE DAY. PROCESSES. WE HAVE TO DO FINISH THINGS LIKE THAT AND WITHOUT STOPPING SOMEONE MID TITLE PROCESS AND SAYING, OH, SORRY, YOU GOT TO GO. THE ONLY OPTION FOR US IS OVERTIME. IF THERE'S NO COMP TIME, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN MY OFFICE THAT'S GOING TO MAX OUT. I DON'T LET THEM. SO WE USE COMP TIME PRETTY QUICKLY. IF WE HAVE IT IN THE FY, IT PUT $1,500 IN THE TAX ASSESSOR BUCKET. DO YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT IF WE WERE TO MAKE THIS DECISION. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM.

TREASURER PEEK. THANK YOU JUDGE, REGARDING THE COMP TIME DISCUSSION FROM MY DEPARTMENT, WE DEFINITELY HAVE OCCASIONS WHERE ONE OR MORE EMPLOYEES WORK BEYOND THEIR THEIR SCHEDULED SHIFT. WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE COMP TIME UNDER THE PREVIOUS RULES FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET WE PUT IN. I BELIEVE IT'S $10,000 OF OVERTIME. SHOULD THE COMP NOT BE AN OPTION IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR? AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR THING. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL. I ALSO HAVE SOME SOME REMARKS THAT MAY HELP THE COURT WITH THIS DECISION AS YOUR PAYROLL OFFICER AND BENEFITS COMMITTEE MEMBER, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOU ALL ON THAT.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. $10,000 FOR OVERTIME IN A YEAR? NO, THAT'S THAT'S OUR ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT. IS THAT HOW DID WE GET TO THAT NUMBER? HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH COMP TIME YOU USED THIS FISCAL YEAR? APPROXIMATELY 10,000. SEEMS SO. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAND THIS OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. SO SO I'M GOING TO GO HAND ONE TO THE AUDITOR. WHAT THIS IS IS I WENT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND PUT EVERY SINGLE OVERTIME LINE ITEM. AND THEN I DID OVERTIME. SO I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED AT HOW WE DENOTE THE BUDGET. SO I JUST DID IT AS FY 26 AND FY 27. FY 26 IS THE BUDGET WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER. FY 27 IS THE BUDGET WE'RE CONSIDERING. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS LAST YEAR. AND THIS YEAR, IT'S JUST KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU CALL IT? SO I WAS LIKE LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S $106,500 IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE OVERTIME. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE DELTAS LOOK LIKE. AND YEAH, THE COUNTY TREASURER, THE COUNTY AUDITOR DID 10,000. IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY DISTRICT COURT DID TEN GRAND. AND THE TWO CLS DID FIVE GRAND. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT USE A LOT MORE OVERTIME, BECAUSE MOST OF THE GUYS THAT ARE ON CALL AND STUFF THEIR THEIR COMP TIMES ARE FILLED. SO THE SHERIFF JAIL AND MAINTENANCE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A TON OF DIFFERENCE. AGGREGATELY. BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE OVERTIME ARE BEING PAID OUT ANYWAY. SO GETTING RID OF COMP DOESN'T MEAN THE THOUGHT IS IT WOULDN'T SAVE THEM DIRECTLY A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY JUST GET THEY JUST BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THEIR COMP TIME BUCKETS IN OVERTIME. SO THAT'S AND I DIDN'T TALK TO ANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS DIRECTLY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I SEE WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET. THERE'S JUST NUMBERS YOU PULLED OUT OF THE BUDGET. CORRECT. AND THANKS FOR DOING IT. IT'S VERY HELPFUL. BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. WE HAVE PUT 10,000 IN FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. WHETHER OR NOT YOU FELT THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT IF WE GET RID OF COMP TIME, TOTALLY 10,000 OVERTIME. TO CULPEPER DISTRICT ATTORNEY COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I'M GOING

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THAT'S JUST THAT FROM A TIMELY PERSPECTIVE CANNOT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S IT'S HAPPENING.

RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING THAT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU ARE EITHER. I JUST REMEMBER THAT FROM LAST WEEK AND WANTED TO MENTION IT.

AND I'M NOT AND I'M NOT DIRECTING THIS AT YOU IN ANY WAY. I'M JUST SAYING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS REALISTIC ABOUT. NONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, I THINK, HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGETS. NO, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I KNOW FROM A CONVERSATION WE'D HAD OUTSIDE OF THE COURT, I WAS CONCERNED THAT 10,000 WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH. AND AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER IS THE RIGHT ONE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE. IT COULD BE PLENTY. IT COULD NOT BE ENOUGH. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE. I THINK BEING CONSERVATIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S SMART BY SAYING $10,000 FOR A STAFF OF 6 OR 7. WE HAVE OVER 50 PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT.

SO DO I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME OVERTIME? ESTIMATION AS AS ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AT $10,000? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER 10,000, BUT I HOPE NOT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE ESTIMATED. BECAUSE I HONESTLY AND REALISTICALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO HOW TO ESTIMATE THIS. BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR MANAGING YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO WE DIDN'T NEED IT IN THE PAST. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENDA? A WONDERFUL POLITICAL STATEMENT. NO, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR WELL, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. DO WE KNOW LIKE ON THE ON THIS $10,000 FOR THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY HOURS DOES THAT EQUATE TO WORK HOURS? HOW MANY WORK HOURS DOES THAT EQUATE TO PER? YOU KNOW, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW LIKE, SURE. SO PAY PERIOD. HOW, HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING OVER IN WORK HOURS AND WHY? SO SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, THE, THE FROM MY DEPARTMENT, THAT 10,000 IS BASICALLY I'VE GOT FOUR CLERKS. EIGHT HOURS PER DAY EQUALS 32 HOURS IN A WORKDAY. IF WE WORKED ONE HOUR, IF ONE PERSON WORKED ONE HOUR EACH DAY, THAT'D BE ABOUT THAT 10,000. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ESTIMATE. I GET HOW THE THE MATH WORKS IN AN AGGREGATE SETTING LIKE THAT. WHAT I'M ASKING IS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHY IS THERE OVERTIME? OKAY. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? AND HOW MANY WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO AND HOW MANY? I KNOW ONE HOUR OVER 32 IN A DAY IS OVERTIME. BUT HOW MANY HOURS DOES THIS EQUATE TO IN A PAY PERIOD? IS WHAT I'M ASKING IN A PAY PERIOD? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME WE'RE USING AND THAT THAT WOULD BE TEN IN A PAY PERIOD. YEAH. 111 OVERTIME HOUR PER DAY. THAT'S WHAT THIS $10,000 IS. AND THAT AGAIN, THAT WAS AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT THIS WAY. AND AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, THE ROOT OF THE ISSUE. IF WE HAD NEVER HAD COMP TIME AND WE DIDN'T HAVE DEPARTMENTS IN AGGREGATE, I HATE USING THE WORD ABUSE, BUT THE COMP TIME PURPOSE TO AFFORD EMPLOYEES WHO WORK OVERTIME AND NOT HAVE THE COUNTY HAVE TO PAY THAT TIME AND A HALF IN LIEU OF THAT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE THE COMPENSATORY TIME, IN THEORY, TO BE THAT YOU COULD TAKE AN

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THAT WAS THE PURPOSE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE BENEFITS COMMITTEE AND THE COURT IS LOOKING AT THIS IS THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN USED BY BY MANY EMPLOYEES IN MANY DEPARTMENTS, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, AS IT WAS INTENDED. SO NOW IT'S IT'S A SITUATION OF DOES THE COURT WANT TO MAKE ONE FELL SWOOP POLICY CHANGE, REVERT TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST? THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THIS. I WILL SHARE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COURT DOES. IF THERE IS A BLEND. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE EMAIL I SENT ALL OF Y'ALL, I BELIEVE ON AUGUST 25TH, IT WAS A REPLY ALL FROM MARCIN'S EMAIL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO SKIN THIS CAT. WE WILL BE HAVING TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE PAYROLL PROCESSES RIGHT NOW, ADULT PROBATION AND JUVENILE PROBATION BOTH HAVE THEIR CARVE OUT RULES. THEY WILL BE HAVING COMP TIME REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COURT DECIDES ON THIS. SO IF THE COURT DECIDES TO HAVE A BLEND, THOSE DEPARTMENTS, IDEALLY THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY AT THEIR, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY OR A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR DEPARTMENT IS AT THAT 40 HOUR MAX COMP, WHICH MEANS EVERY HOUR OVER THERE GETTING PAID OUT TIME AND A HALF. ANYWAY, IF WE WANT TO CARVE THOSE DEPARTMENTS OUT AND SAY THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE BUDGETED FOR OVERTIME, ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE LIBRARY, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, YOUR ADMIN OFFICES CONTINUE TO HAVE A COMP SYSTEM THE WAY IT'S BEEN UP TILL NOW. THEN WE CAN HANDLE THAT. WE CAN HANDLE MONITORING AND WORKING THAT BLEND. IT'S DEFINITELY DOABLE.

IS IT A LITTLE TRICKIER? SURE. IS IT CONFUSING? SURE, BUT IT DEFINITELY CAN BE DONE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HANDLE WHATEVER THE COURT WANTS TO DO. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. IF YOU WERE, I KNOW YOU'VE ASKED TO KEEP PAYROLL AND TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON. YES.

DOES THAT OVER TIME BUDGET STILL APPLY THEN? IF MY DEPARTMENT GOVERNMENT IS AFFORDED THE ASSISTANCE THAT WAS REQUESTED THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FIRST DRAFT BUDGET BEFORE ANY OF THIS UKG SOFTWARE DISCUSSION WAS MADE, THAT EXTRA PERSON ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE ABLE TO LIMIT MY OVERTIME MOVING FORWARD. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT NOW, A TON OF WHAT YOU SEE THAT THE COMP TIMES THAT'S BEING USED AND THAT TEN 000 OVERTIME ABSOLUTELY IS THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR, BECAUSE THE TIMES WHEN WE'RE DOING OCTOBER 1ST PCN CHANGES, WHEN WE'RE DOING JANUARY 1ST, JANUARY 1ST, BENEFITS AND INSURANCE CHANGES WHEN WE'RE DOING W-2S, WHEN WE'RE DOING ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT HIT NOT ON A WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY BASIS.

941 TAXES, ALL THESE THINGS AT MY DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE PAYROLL COORDINATOR DOES ABSOLUTELY. IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMP TIME BEING USED, AS WELL AS THE OVERTIME PROJECTED WITHOUT THIS, THIS NEW ASSISTANT. SO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS WANT TO COME SPEAK. ANYBODY. ANYBODY.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE I WANT TO MOVE ON. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. AND I WANT TO CLEAN SOMETHING UP THAT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, IS PRETTY BENIGN. THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S PAY WENT DOWN BY ABOUT 7 OR 800 BUCKS. AND IF THAT'S AN OPTION, THEN YEAH. WHAT WHAT HAPPENED? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE COUNTY ENGINEER HAS NOT CALLED AND SAID, HEY, WHAT'S UP? JUST JUST NOTICED MY REVIEW OF THE BUDGETS. LIKE THAT'S IF YOU YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE ENGINEER GAVE HER SALARY INCREASE TO HER EMPLOYEES LAST YEAR. SO THE FY 26 BUDGET REFLECTS WHAT HER SALARY WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD SHE ACCEPTED THOSE DOLLARS. GOT IT. AND SO THE 3.5% ON TOP OF HER CURRENT SALARY IS LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT THAT ANSWERS THAT. SO THE NEXT WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A BENIGN THING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD 5000 TO BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. I REMOVED THEIR BUDGET LAST YEAR. WE GAVE THEM 10,000. I REMOVED THEIR BUDGET BECAUSE THEY NOW GET THE FEE. THEY'RE ONE OF THE FOUR THAT THAT GET OUR CROSSING GUARD FEE. AND THAT TOTALED 4800 BUCKS LAST YEAR. SO I SPOKE WITH JENNY KRUEGER, AND SHE ASKED IF I WOULD PUT THE 5000 BACK IN FOR A YEAR. AND I TOLD HER I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. WHO GETS THE CROSSING GUARD FEE?

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WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? PAGE 45. WILL. WILL IS OUR HEALTH AND WELFARE, WHICH IS. IT HAS HELPING HANDS ALL THE NET COG THINGS. SO CASA RAINBOW ROOM, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. WHO AM I MISSING? CHILDREN. THANK YOU. CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY. WELL, I THOUGHT THIS MONEY WENT TO THE. YOU CAN EDUCATE ME HERE BECAUSE I LOOKED INTO THIS A LOT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND I'VE ALSO HAD ONE OF THE GROUPS, CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, COME TO ME AND SAY, CAN WE GET OUR MONEY BACK? AND COMMISSIONER GALANIS HAS THE SAME THING. AND SO I THOUGHT THE REASON THAT WE THAT THIS WAS TAKEN OUT WAS BECAUSE THE MONEY WAS GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITIES UNDER THE STATE LAW. YES. WITH THE CAVEAT THE MONEY IS GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITIES. IF THAT CITY HAS A CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM, THE MONEY MUST GO TO THE CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF ROCKWALL HAS A CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM.

SO THEY GIVE THEIR PORTION OF THE MONEY DIRECTLY TO OUR ISD, WHO MANAGES THE CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM. NONE OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE CROSSING GUARD PROGRAMS, SO THEY WILL GET THEIR PORTION OF THE MONEY BASED ON POPULATION. WE DISTRIBUTE MONEY BASED ON WHO LIVES IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE AVENUES OF MONEY THAT SHOULD BE FINDING THEMSELVES TO THESE FOUR ENTITIES. NOW, WHAT WE CAN'T DO OKAY. EXCUSE ME, IS TELL THE CITIES YOU MUST USE IT THIS WAY. SO IF THEY HIT THE TOGGLE SWITCH AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE A CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM, NOW, WE CAN USE THIS FOR CHILDREN'S WELFARE. THEN IT'S UP TO THEM. WE'VE TOLD THEM, HERE'S OUR FOUR ENTITIES. THIS IS WHO WE'RE PAYING THE MONEY TO. I SUGGEST YOU USE THE SAME. SO I'VE NOT TRACKED HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITIES ARE GIVING EACH ENTITY. BUT GO AHEAD. ARE WE GIVING MONEY? SO WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO CITIES AND THEN THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING MONEY. WHY WOULD WE WHY DO WE DO IT THAT WAY? WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GIVE IT? CAN WE NOT JUST GIVE IT FROM THE COUNTY TO THE ENTITY? WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE CANNOT. SO WE HAVE TO GIVE IT. WE DO BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM OR BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY, BECAUSE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SAYS THAT THE LAW SAYS THE STATUTE. THERE'S A. I LOOKED AT THIS COMMISSIONER ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND THERE IS SOME SORT OF. THERE'S NOT SOME SORT, SOME SORT OF LAW THAT. WORDS THAT GOES BACK TO ME GROWING UP ON A FARM IN NORTH DAKOTA, THERE'S A STATUTE THAT SAYS WE GIVE THE MONEY TO THE CITIES, AND IT SAYS HOW YOU ALLOCATE IT. AND THAT IS WHAT I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD WAS THE REASON FOR TAKING IT AWAY FROM THESE GROUPS. AND WE CAN'T DIRECT THE CITIES. AND THAT THE FIRST THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT.

IF THEY HAVE A CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM, IT'S GOT TO GO TO THAT. BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE RIGHT. I DON'T QUESTION IT. SO, BUT I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK THIS IS MORE THAN A DECISION ABOUT ONE GROUP. THIS IS A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GIVE MONEY TO SUPPORT THESE GROUPS. AND I KNOW WE HAVE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO RAISE 5000 FOR ONE GROUP, I BET WE'LL HEAR PEOPLE SAY, LET'S GIVE 10,000 TO ANOTHER GROUP. YEAH, THAT'S AND I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY WE WERE GIVING 10,000 TO CAC AS THE ONE AGENCY HERE THAT'S CONSTITUTIONALLY DEMANDED TO BE HERE. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE STOPPED ABOUT WHEN YOU GUYS CAME IN AND QUIT GIVING THEM ANY MONEY. AND I CAN'T GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHY I TRIED THAT.

THIS FEE WAS WHY ORIGINALLY THEY THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES GETTING THE FEE. OKAY. AND THEN WE ADDED, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES NOW. NOW THEY'RE NOT. NOW THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE TO CHANGE THINGS. THEN MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT TODAY. I THINK, MELISSA, AT THIS POINT, YOU'VE PROBABLY INTUITIVELY LOOKED AHEAD WHERE THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING. CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH WE'VE PAID EACH OF THESE ENTITIES? BUT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS WE STARTED A FEE, THE FEE, SOMEHOW, AS A COMMISSIONER

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AND SO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD TIME TO SAY THAT THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS THAT IT DIDN'T WORK WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF AT THE PASS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TO TOO. I KNOW YOU'RE A BLUE TIE GUY AND YOU'RE TIED IN WELL, NOT ANYMORE, BUT BUT I'M SAYING I KNOW YOU'RE I, I SHOULD STOP. I'M NOT I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU OF ANYTHING. I'M SAYING. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL THAT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER. AND CASA IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO ALL OF OUR HEARTS. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT JUST CHARITIES. THEY THEY THEY SERVE A MUCH GREATER FUNCTION IN OUR COMMUNITY THAN JUST, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE SOME SORT OF FAITH BASED INSTITUTION OR WE'RE DOING SOME GOOD IN THE WORLD. THEY ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY HANDED TO US. I WANT TO THANK KENDA, WHO IS HERE FOR STARTING THE CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER AND SEEING HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR SOMETHING THAT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT OR THINK ABOUT, AND THOSE THOSE CRIMES THAT ARE GOING ON, WE DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE CUSTODY CASES WITH CASA THAT ARE GOING ON.

ALL OF THESE ARE TIED TO TO COUNTY FUNCTIONS, AND THEY'RE OFFSETTING A HUGE BURDEN OF TAXPAYER MONEY BY HOW THEY'RE OPERATING. SO I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE'RE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. I'M NOT SCARED TO OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. AND I AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS THAT IT'S NOT WORKING. SO I DO THINK THAT IT WAS GREAT OF US TO GIVE IT A GOOD TRY. I HAVE NO REGRETS ON THAT. I THINK IT'S TIME TO TO DO SOME COURSE CORRECTION AND, AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS GOOD FOR US TO GIVE IT A GOOD TRY? NO, TO, TO TRY TO GET EVERYTHING INTO A FEE. THAT'S WHAT THIS COURT ATTEMPTED TO DO. I THINK HE NEEDS TO PASS THE FEE AND USE THAT FEE TO OFFSET WHAT WE WERE DOING. AND I SAY WE WE TRIED TO DO THAT AND I AND THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS THAT IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL. SO LET'S, LET'S GET THE NUMBERS. AND THEN I, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE BACK UP EVEN FURTHER. OKAY. AND SAY, IS THIS A DUTY OF GOVERNMENT? AND THEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION HOLISTICALLY? DID I, I CUT YOU OFF AT THE PASS, DIDN'T I? DID I GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS? WE'LL GET SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CURRENT.

WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM 25 AND IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 4000 A QUARTER, BUT THAT WAS ONLY BETWEEN THREE ENTITIES. SO 4000 A QUARTER ROUGHLY. SO SIX, 16,032. BUT IT'S BETWEEN ALL THREE. SO NOW DIVIDED BETWEEN FOUR. AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE COUNTY. THERE SHOULD BE FUNDS FLOWING FROM EACH CITY. AND AGAIN I CAN'T FORCE THE CITIES. I CAN JUST TELL THEM, HERE'S THE REASON WE DEVELOPED THIS. HERE'S WHO WE'RE SUPPORTING. THERE'S 16000 A QUARTER COMING JUST FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY FOR 4000, A QUARTER, 4000. YEAH. OKAY.

SORRY. YEAH. FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, WHICH IS. AND JUDGE, I JUST WAS VISITING WITH COMMISSIONER GALLINA, THE ITEM NTBHA. THAT'S NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND THAT AMOUNT, HOW DOES THAT AMOUNT COME? HOW DO WE GET THAT AMOUNT.

SO THAT'S AN EASY CALCULATION. THEY GIVE IT TO US AND SAY HERE'S YOUR AMOUNT. YES.

WELCOME TO THE IT. AND THAT IS THE SUM TOTAL. HERE'S HERE'S YOUR AMOUNT. AND AND I MEAN, IT MAY BE FINE WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON, ON MY ONLY QUESTION WAS CONCERNING WHY DID CASSIE STOP GETTING MONEY AS ONE OF THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED, YOU KNOW, CHARITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE. AND, AND I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF A LITTLE ON THIS PROCESS. AND IF IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO, IF IT IS THE, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT. SO I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF ON THE HISTORY TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE BECAUSE IT IS A FEE AND IT IS A FEE THAT WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PAY. I, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ASSESSING A FEE. AND THIS MAY JUST GET INTO PHILOSOPHY AND SEMANTICS REALLY QUICK. I'M MORE COMFORTABLE ASSESSING A FEE THAN TAXING PEOPLE TAKING THEIR MONEY AND GIVING IT TO A NONPROFIT, A CHARITY, NO MATTER HOW ALTRUISTIC THE CHARITY IS, THE PEOPLE CAN JUST GIVE IT DIRECTLY. THEY DON'T NEED US COERCING MONEY FROM THEM TO GIVE TO THE CHARITY IS IS KIND OF MY STANCE. AND I'VE BEEN

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AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MY LITMUS TEST, I'M OKAY WITH THE FEE, NOT REALLY OKAY. TAXING PEOPLE.

BUT I AM ONE OF FIVE. SO IF THE COURT WANTS TO GO ANOTHER DIRECTION, I LIKE, I SAY I LIKE THE FEE AND COMMISSIONER STACEY IS CORRECT. THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY GROUP IS THE ONE THAT SAID, HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS. AND AND I GRABBED IT AND RAN WITH IT. SO ARE WE ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT? WE WOULD LOOK AT ADDING FOR THAT LINE ITEM. AND I GUESS FOR THERE'S CASA, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. AND THEN THERE'S RAINBOW ROOM. ALL THREE OF THOSE. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOMETHING TO THOSE THROUGH THIS FEE? NOW'S THE TIME FOR THAT CONVERSATION. SO LET'S WELL, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. I'D LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. I'M HAPPY NOT MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR ALL THESE GROUPS, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD PICK ONE GROUP AND SAY, I'LL GIVE YOU $5,000 JUST OUT OF THE BLUE.

AND THEY'RE ALL GREAT. I MEAN, ALL THESE GROUPS ARE GREAT. WE ALL KNOW IT. EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT SUPPORTS THESE PEOPLE. EVERYBODY WORKS TO HELP THEM. AND SO YOU KIND OF OPENED THE CAN. I DID AND I, I, I TITLED THAT OPENING OF THE CAN OF WORMS AS SOMETHING BENIGN THAT WILL BE EASILY HANDLED. AND, AND I ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE CONVERSATION. SO THIS, THIS IS A DEEPER CONVERSATION. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHEN WE HAVE OUR NUMBERS. SO THIS I CAN TELL YOU PRE ANSWERS A QUESTION THAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS IN A LITTLE BIT OF DO WE NEED TO MEET TOMORROW? I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, WE'RE GOING TO MEET TOMORROW. JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE TOMORROW. I THOUGHT IT WAS THURSDAY. SO WE HAVE A THURSDAY ALREADY. OKAY. SORRY THURSDAY. THANK YOU. I STAND CORRECTED. WE'RE WE'RE NOT MEETING TOMORROW. IT IS THURSDAY. JUDGE. YEAH, YEAH. GO AHEAD. SO THE THE LAST QUARTER'S FEE THROUGH JUNE OF 2026, THE AMOUNT THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED FROM THE COUNTY'S PORTION WAS $4,791. AND WHERE DID IT GO? IT CHILD ADVOCACY, RAINBOW ROOM, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND LONE STAR CASA, THE OTHER 46000 THAT WAS COLLECTED FOR THAT $1.50 FEE WAS DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE CITIES. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I WANT 46,000 IN THAT QUARTER. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY'S AT. WE'RE GIVING IT TO THE CITIES. WELL, AND SOMETHING COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH SAID THAT I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THE THE AMOUNTS ON PAGE 45 IS THE BUDGETED MONEY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FEE. THIS FEE DOES NOT SHOW UP IN THE BUDGET. IT'S COLLECTED AND THEN DISTRIBUTED OUT. OKAY.

I WOULD KEN TO CULPEPER DISTRICT ATTORNEY, I WOULD JUST MENTION, AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER STACY. THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER IS THE IS THE ENTITY THAT FOUND THIS. THEY THEY WERE AT A CONFERENCE AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS AVAILABLE AND BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

THE REASON THAT I'M UP HERE IS I JUST WANT TO MENTION, AS INCREDIBLE AS EVERY LAW, AS EVERY NONPROFIT AGENCY IS IN THE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY, THERE ARE TWO NONPROFITS THAT HAVE A DIRECT LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTION IN WHICH THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER. WE REQUIRE THAT EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. IF THERE'S A CHILD THAT'S BEEN ABUSED, THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER. SO THAT'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTION. CASA ALSO THE COURTS, THE JUDGES APPOINT THOSE PEOPLE, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATES IN THE COURT. AND SO I WOULD JUST MENTION THAT THOSE TWO ENTITIES HAVE A DIRECT FUNCTION IN OUR GOVERNMENT. WHEREAS EVERY LAW, EVERY NONPROFIT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. WE SHOULD SUPPORT EVERY NONPROFIT. BUT THAT'S JUST HONESTLY, WE CAN'T DO THAT. THERE ARE SO MANY WORTHY NONPROFITS, BUT I WILL MENTION THAT THOSE TWO DO HAVE A DIRECT CORRELATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S LET'S CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION THURSDAY. AND BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF

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I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN HERE. IT'S IF IT'S A FEE WE COLLECT, IT'S GOT TO SHOW UP SOMEWHERE. RIGHT? IT'S A FEE THAT WE COLLECT THAT WE KNOW BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. SO IT'S NOT BUDGETED THAT IT'S A DUE TO OTHERS. SO IT'S NOT BASED ON IT'S LIKE PAYING A BILL. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BILLS ARE USUALLY IN THE BUDGET, BUT OKAY, SO ALL OF THE FEE THAT WE COLLECT GOES OUT OR DO WE KEEP SOME OF IT. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 4000 A QUARTER COMES FROM. WE, WE KEEP 10%, RIGHT. SO IT WOULD MAKE IT, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT SHOW AND SHOW THE OUTGOING TO THE CITIES AND THEN SHOW BASED ON THEIR POPULATION SO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AND THEN SHOW THE OUT THE INCOMING TO US AND AND OUTGOING AT 10%. YEAH. NO, AND I'M SURE WE CAN GET THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, I DON'T, I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT'S DONE. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN AUDITOR. SO I MAY JUST BE ASKING FOR AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET TO SEE IT. AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE BUDGET. ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T THINK I MADE A FORMAL MOTION. IF I DID, I'M GOING TO LET IT JUST FLOAT OFF TO THE ETHER. AND THEN WE WILL WE WILL MOVE ON. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF CLEANUP ON, ON THIS REVISION SHEET, ITEM FIVE AND SIX. SINCE WE'RE MEETING ON THURSDAY, I WOULD LIKE FOR US JUST TO BRING THEM BACK ON THURSDAY. FIVE AND SIX. OKAY. I'M JUST LETTING THE COURT KNOW WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT. WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE SOME STUFF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON SIX, BUT LISA AND I ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH ITEM FIVE, AND WE'LL JUST BRING THAT BACK ON, ON THURSDAY ON, ON WHAT THE KIND OF FINAL POINT OF THAT ITEM IS. WE'RE MEETING ON THURSDAY ANYWAY. SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A REASON TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS ON. I'M SMILING AT YOU BECAUSE I WAS UP UNTIL PROBABLY AFTER MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT WORKING ON THAT. SO I'M LIKE GOING, OKAY, I LOST A LITTLE BIT OF SLEEP. NO, I'M TEASING. SO. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME MOTIONS AND CLEAN UP THIS SHEET, LEAVING ITEMS FIVE AND SIX ALONE. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT LINE ITEM FOR THE REDUCTION OR CHANGE IN JAIL COMMAND STAFF, RESULTING IN $112,933 SAVINGS. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE A FLOW CHART WHERE Y'ALL CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS. WHY IS THAT? NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE ON AN OLD SHEET. YOU NEED. YEAH. I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR FOR THAT $112,933 IN SAVINGS. SO THANKS TO CAMMY, I HAVE JUST A LITTLE FLOW CHART WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS IN THE WHAT IS CURRENT, WHICH IS AT THE TOP. THAT'S THE CURRENT STAFFING. I GOT RID OF EVERYONE'S NAMES. SO THAT'S WHY EMPLOYEE NAME JUST SAYS VACANT, UNFUNDED OR FILLED. SO AND THEN THE DRAFTED BUDGETS, THAT'S HOW WE STAFFED IT FOR THE DRAFTED BUDGETS. AND THEN THE BOTTOM THE IN GREEN IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING TO. SO BASICALLY YOU TAKE ONE OF THE POSITIONS. THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE AND MAKE THAT A LIEUTENANT, WHICH SAVES $112,000. SO THAT RESULTS IN THE 27 BUDGET BEING ABOUT $2,000. NO, NOT EVEN $2,100 MORE THAN THE 26 BUDGET. SO THE DIFFERENCES ARE SMALL POINT SIZE. YEAH. WHEN COMMISSIONER STACY SAID, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOUR MIND SAID, YOUR EYES ARE MUCH YOUNGER THAN MINE. I KNOW THAT I CAN. HEY MAN, I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON IF I COULD READ THIS AS WELL, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE THE STAFFING CHANGES SO IT MAKES SENSE WHEN THEY START SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE A BUNCH OF STUFF AND SAVE 100 GRAND. MY FIRST QUESTION IS HOW? WELL I APPRECIATE, AS I ALWAYS DO, JOHN, ALL THE WORK YOU DO ON THIS, BUT I UNDERSTOOD IT BETTER, I THINK. NO, YOU DID.

YOU UNDERSTAND IT BETTER NOW I'M NOT TRYING TO. NO, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY WERE GOING TO ADD A LIEUTENANT AND AND REMOVE AN ASSISTANT, AND

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CHANGING? YES. OKAY. JUST THE ONES THAT ARE CHANGING. YEAH. WE ONLY HAVE SIX PEOPLE AT THE JAIL. NO, I'M KIDDING. AND HAVE 99. SO WE JUST REALLY LOOK AT YOU'RE REALLY WANTING US TO FOCUS ON THE GREEN THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU'VE MOVED THEM. YES. YOU'VE DONE THIS. YEAH. THIS IS THE REQUEST COMING FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I MOVED STUFF AROUND TO SAVE $112,000, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? SO BASICALLY IN THE IN THE DRAFTS OF THE BUDGET, WE TOOK AN UNFUNDED POSITION AND MADE THAT PERSON A LIEUTENANT. SO THAT'S THAT. THAT'S 112, $114,000 INCREASE BECAUSE YOU TOOK SOMETHING THAT WAS ZERO. AND INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A DETENTION OFFICER, THEY MADE IT A LIEUTENANT. INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WE'RE KEEPING ALL THE POSITIONS UNFUNDED, TAKING THE ASSISTANT JAIL COMMANDER AND MAKING THAT A LIEUTENANT, THE JAIL LIEUTENANT. OKAY. AND THERE'S YOUR SAVINGS.

SO THE FULL, FULL BLOAT IS 100, AND I THINK THAT'S 116 061. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE THE SAVINGS IS. 112933 YEAH, I SEE THAT ON THE BOTTOM. OKAY. SO MY MOTION WAS TO ACCEPT THOSE CHANGES. IF YOU WILL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE UP TO INFORMATION SERVICES $3,400 CAPITAL AND $500 EQUIPMENT FOR NEW EMPLOYEE.

DID WE APPROVE A NEW EMPLOYEE AT INFORMATION SERVICES? YES. OKAY. AND WE JUST DIDN'T DIDN'T GET THEM A DESK AND A COMPUTER AND ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES WITH BEING A NEW EMPLOYEE.

WHICH HAPPENS. IT IT IT HAPPENS AT SOME POINT IN EVERY BUDGET. I'M, I'M CUTTING AND THEN ADDING AND THEN CUTTING. AND I FOR SOME REASON DECIDED JUDGE RAIKO WAS THE ONLY JUDGE THAT DIDN'T NEED A COMPUTER THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHY. YEAH. I CALLED HIM AND SAID, DID YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T WANT A COMPUTER? HE SAID, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY. THAT WAS THE DAY I WAS TAKING A MACHETE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CHANGE AND ADD 3900 TO INFORMATION SERVICES FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEE. SORRY IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. DECREASED LEGAL FEES. AND WE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT TO A CONCLUSION. I WAS COMMISSIONER LICHTY WAS FOR IT. I WAS AGAINST IT. AND I UNDERSTAND BEING FOR IT, I JUST I'M SORRY. NO, NO. GO GO GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST TRYING TO START THE CONVERSATION. YEAH. HAPPY TO DO IT. WE ASKED OUR ATTORNEYS. THANKS FOR DOING THAT. ASKED OUR ATTORNEYS FOR AN UPDATE ON WHERE THEY WERE AND WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY'D BE. AND WE'VE GOT A RESPONSE FROM TWO OF THEM. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON ONE, THE LARGEST ONE, UNLESS YOU GOT IT RECENTLY. SO BUT BUT THE POINT OF ALL THIS IS IF YOU GO TO. PAGE THREE IN YOUR BUDGET, OKAY, WE HAVE LEGAL SERVICES BUDGETED AT 655 000, WHICH IS THE SAME THING WE HAD BUDGETED AT LAST YEAR, YEAR TO DATE WITH ALL WE'VE GOT GOING ON AND WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON. WE'RE AT THREE 2721 FROM OUR ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS ESTIMATED. THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER $2,000 THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD SAY 330. WE'RE NOW AT ANOTHER ONE SAID TWO DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS, 19 AND CHANGE. SO LET'S SAY 20. SO NOW WE'RE AT 350,000 SO FAR THROUGH PROJECTED THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. WE AGAIN, FROM OUR LARGEST LAW FIRM, THE LAW FIRM, WE DO THE MOST BUSINESS WITH. WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET, BUT. EVEN IF WE WERE TO EXTRAPOLATE, I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT MAYBE 50 MAX. YOU THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT? OKAY, WELL, BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER, THE END OF SEPTEMBER FOR JULY, AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, NO, I

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I DON'T KNOW HOW I'VE NEVER CAUGHT THIS BUDGET LINE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CHANGES THE WORLD. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR 96 JUST TO BE ROLLED UP INTO 495 AND SAY UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE IS THE POINT OF CONTINGENCY. I JUST THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE.

YEAH, I ALWAYS KIND OF LAUGH AT THIS THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST ROLLED UP INTO OUR CONTINGENCY.

IT JUST SAYS UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD REASON FOR IT AT ONE POINT IN TIME, BUT I BROUGHT IT UP WITH LISA AND SHE WAS LIKE, I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS. YOU CAN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT. YEAH. BECAUSE ONLY ONE YEAR DID WE SPEND IN 23, A LITTLE OVER $1,000. REST OF THEM HAVE ALL BEEN IN THE HUNDREDS. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. JUST MAKE IT A CONTINGENCY, SOMEWHAT ABSURD, THAT WE ASK DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ANTICIPATE YOUR UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES FOR THE YEAR. BUT IF WE ASK THEM, THEY DO IT. THEY COME UP WITH A NUMBER. SO I DO HAVE THE USE FOR THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS. CONSTABLE NUMBER FOUR REQUESTED $1,000 MORE IN HIS GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE. RIGHT NOW, HE'S CURRENTLY AT ONLY 4000, AND HE WOULD PREFER TO BE UP TO 5000. SO, COMMISSIONER GALLARDO, WHAT IS THAT? I KNOW I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF.

AND YOU SAID YOU GOT IT. SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR YOU? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A PREMATURE MOTION. IF YOU HAD ANOTHER THING IN MIND. YEAH. YOU KNOW, HE'S AT 4700 YEAR TO DATE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I'M SEEING IN HERE. AND HE'S GOT A COMBINED $7,000 BETWEEN HIM AND THE DEPUTY. SO I MEAN, I DON'T WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT BECAUSE SOME OF IT GOT PUT IN THE DEPUTY. AND I DON'T THINK THE DEPUTY IS GOING TO USE $3,000 IN GAS. IF THE DEPUTY IS USED FOR HOW WE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T THE THOUSAND DOLLARS DOESN'T BOTHER ME FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET THERE BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE WHERE THE DEPUTIES GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE EXPENSE IS GOING BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE CHAD. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT EXPENSE IS, IS LISTED UNDER IT'S UNDER TWO.

IT'S UNDER TRAY. OKAY. IT'S UNDER TRAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL UNDER TRAY. YEAH. THERE'S SEVERAL VEHICLES UNDER CONSTABLE CHENEY AND HE'S ALREADY SPENT FOUR GRAND. YEAH, YEAH. COME ON. THOUSAND DOLLARS DOESN'T. HEY, COME, COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. UP THERE.

THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULDN'T BE ROCKWALL COUNTY. I KNOW IT'S NOT VERY MUCH. AND THE JUDGE SAID HE'D ALWAYS TAKE CARE OF US AT THE END IF WE WERE SHORT. BUT I THINK BY THE END OF

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THANK YOU CONSTABLE. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE STILL ON THIS PAGE. SO BEFORE WE MOVE THE BODY ARMOR STUFF, HOLD ON. WAS IN THE FIRST DRAFT AT 85000 AND THEN WAS REMOVED IN THE SECOND DRAFT. I KNOW THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, BUT I FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS SENDING MY EMAILS. SO IT'S ON PAGE THREE. WE'RE WE'RE BUYING THAT FROM THIS YEAR. OKAY, WAIT, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. IT'S ON PAGE ONE AND IT SAYS IT'S REVENUE OF $85,800. ELENA SAID THAT THE GRANT WAS NOT APPROVED. FAIR ENOUGH. I MOVED IT FROM THE REVENUE, BUT WE ALSO REMOVED IT FROM THE PURCHASE UNDER THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. OKAY, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. I JUST SAW IT DISAPPEARED, AND I JUST WANTED TO. OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO STAY ON THE CONSTABLE'S FOR A LITTLE BIT AND TRY TO CLEAN ALL THAT UP. BUT CONSTABLE THREE GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE IS 12,500.

THAT INCLUDES $8,500 TO STRIP THEIR VEHICLES. SO CONSTABLE TWO AND CONSTABLE THREE. WE ADDED THE 8500 TO STRIP THEIR VEHICLES, WHICH. PAGE 38 AND 37, 37 AND 38. BUT 38. SORRY. 38 OKAY, BUT CONSTABLE CHAD, HE ALREADY HAS A CONSTABLE TWO ALREADY HAD IT RESERVED. RIGHT.

VEHICLE THAT WE'RE USING. WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE VEHICLE FROM THE SHERIFF. CORRECT. SO WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE STRIP ONE. SO WE. RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED A STRIP ONE, NOT TWO. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BUDGETS. THEY SHOULDN'T BE 8500 TO STRIP ONE. IT SHOULD BE HALF OF THAT TO STRIP ONE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTFITTING ONE OR STRIPPING ONE. STRIPPING ONE. WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR TREY'S NEW VEHICLE OR OLD VEHICLE TO GET. SO WE BUDGETED 8500 JUST TO TAKE THE STUFF OFF OF IT. I DON'T THINK THAT NUMBER IS RIGHT, BUT I CAN FIND OUT FOR THURSDAY. I THINK THAT'S I THINK IT'S HALF THAT, BUT LET ME FIND OUT. PERFECT. MAKE SURE MAYBE I'M WRONG. OKAY, THAT GOES BACK TO MY POINT OF HAVING A FLEET CATEGORY IN HERE SO THAT THAT'S NOT IN GAS OIL AND THAT'S NOT IN GAS, OIL AND MAINTENANCE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG ANYWAY. OKAY, WELL, THAT EXPLAINS THAT ONE. AND. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER? YOU'RE HELPING ME CHECK THINGS OFF MY LIST. THAT WAS MY WEEKEND READING. YEAH. ME TOO. I'M ASSUMING ALL THE OTHER INCREASES IN CONSTABLE THREE ARE BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING A DEPUTY TO HIM. THE UNIFORM.

INCREASE THE AMMO, INCREASE THE TELEPHONE, AIR CARD INCREASE, AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF TICKY TACKY. BUT THAT'S ALL BECAUSE WE ADDED CORRECT AND CONSTABLE TWO AS WELL. AND CONSTABLE FOUR BECAUSE WE MOVED. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. CHAIR. YEAH. SO DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FLEET? I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A FLEET BUDGET FUND OF SOME SORT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT BE YOU THINK ABOUT HOW OFTEN WE MOVE THINGS INTO CAPITAL FUNDS TO MAKE FLEET PURCHASES FROM BUDGET TO BUDGET. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH STUFF AS I'VE DONE IN LIKE FUND 202 AND FUND 79. THANK YOU, LISA, FOR WORKING WITH ME AS DILIGENTLY AS YOU'VE HAD TO. AND AS MANY

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AND THE FIVE OF US ARE IN CHARGE OF COUNTY PROPERTY. AND, AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK AND I'M NOT READY TO GO BACK TO THE OVERTIME COMPENSATION STUFF. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHTS ON THAT AS FAR AS MANAGING COUNTY MONEY. BUT THAT'S OUR JOB, I THINK. AND WHEN WE AND WHEN WE SPREAD IT OUT, IT'S NOT THE POINT OF SPREADING IT OUT ISN'T FOR THAT. WE'VE NEVER HAD A STOOD UP, FORMALIZED FLEET WORKING IT. IT IS A CHANGE. WHAT DO YOU ALWAYS SAY CHANGE MANAGEMENT TYPE OF THING. SO SO HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THAT? ARE WE PREPARED TO DO THAT? AND I'M READY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT CHANGE. IT ALLOWS US TO WATCH IT. IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN CARS GO IN TO BE MAINTAINED, THAT WE'RE THE ONES LOOKING AT THAT ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DECISIONS MADE THAT I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER HAS DISAGREED WITH THIS YEAR. NOT TO SAY THAT HE'S RIGHT OR THAT HE'S THE ALL KNOWING WIZARD, BUT HE ALSO HAS NO ABILITY TO KNOW THEY'RE COMING BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING IN ALL THESE OTHER BUDGETS AND AND THE COUNTY IS RUNNING. AND IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF FORMALIZED PROCESS OF, HEY, THIS IS GOING HERE. BUT I DON'T WANT A CAR SITTING FOR FOUR WEEKS IN A, IN A, IN A SHOP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR COURT ACTION TO APPROVE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BALANCE THOSE TWO. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, TO THROW THAT INTO INTO THE UNIVERSE AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT ALL COMES WITH A, JUST A A BIT OF A REDONE FLEET POLICY THAT THE COURT CAN AGREE ON AND PASS. AND IT MAY COME WITH SOME DOLLAR AMOUNTS. THE AUDITORS, WHEN THEY'RE TOLD ABOUT IT, DO A GREAT JOB OF LETTING US KNOW WHEN THERE'S AN EXPENSE. THEY DO. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY SEE A BILL TO.

WHICH IS A PROBLEM FOR THEM AS WELL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE SO THAT WE ALL GET OUR EYES ON IT. I ESPECIALLY WANT Y'ALL'S EYES ON IT BEFORE IT, BEFORE IT HAPPENS. BUT I THINK A FLEET POLICY COULD SAY FROM AN ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE, YES, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ALL ROLLED UP INTO ONE FLEET CATEGORY WITH ALL THE EXPENSES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO MANAGE IT FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A FORECASTING PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A MANAGEMENT SIDE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IT ROLLED UP THAT WAY WITH A POLICY THAT SAYS, THIS IS HOW WE APPROVE REPAIRS. THESE ARE OUR SHOPS THAT WE ARE APPROVED TO GO TO.

AND THIS IS JUST THE STEPS THAT YOU FOLLOW FOR WHATEVER MAY HAPPEN TO A FLEET. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST SHOW UP AND GET YOUR TIRES CHANGED. IT NEEDS TO GO. SOMEONE'S GOT TO INSPECT THAT. AND IT CAN'T BE THE SHOP BECAUSE WHEN THE SHOP DOES IT, THEY WANT TO SELL TIRES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANT NEW BRAKES. AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, RANDY. I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN YOU WANT NEW BRAKES, WELL, THE SHOP'S GOING TO GIVE YOU NEW BRAKES, BUT WE NEED A WAY AND NEW ROTORS. RIGHT? BUT WE NEED A WAY TO STOP IT AND JUST MANAGE IT A LITTLE BETTER AS WE START, AS WE'RE GROWING, YOU KNOW, AND NOT THAT WE'VE DONE ANYTHING WRONG. IT'S JUST WE'RE IN THAT PERIOD OF GROWTH WHERE WE'VE GOT TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STACY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR DEPARTMENT, LISA, CAN DO IT THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME RULES AROUND. YOU HAVE TO TIE THE ASSET TO AN ELECTED OFFICIALS POSITION, OR YOU CAN DO IT FOR THE COUNTY ONES, BUT NOT THE ELECTED. YEAH. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THERE'S IT'S TWOFOLD, THOUGH, FOR ME, THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING, THE ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES WE HAVE ARE AT THE DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL. SO THE FACT THAT ALL THE EXPENSES ARE BROKEN DOWN IS TO SHOW YOU WHAT A DEPARTMENT COSTS THE COUNTY OR WHAT THE TAXPAYERS CAN SEE OF THIS IS HOW MUCH A COUNTY ENGINEER COSTS US, OR THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW, YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. BUT BUT IF YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS THIS OVERALL FLEET TYPE OF SYSTEM, THEN YES, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT WOULD APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE EXPENSES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE'LL GET A BILL AND WE'LL SAY, OH MY, SUCH AND SUCH JUST SPENT $4,000. MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE JUST TOTALED THE CAR AND BOUGHT SOMETHING NEW INSTEAD OF THAT REPAIR. SO I, I WHERE I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. IT JUST IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE PROPERLY.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE GET AUDITED, WE SAY WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF DEPARTMENTAL BEING THE, THE THAT THAT'S THE LEVEL OF, OF IMPORTANCE IS THE DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL. SO WOULD YOU SO COMMISSIONER GALLARDO, WOULD THE WHERE WOULD THE FLEET SERVICES, WHERE WOULD THAT

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THAT WOULD BE FOR REALLY FOR LISA TO DECIDE HOW THAT WOULD HOW THAT WOULD WORK. IT WOULDN'T MATTER TO ME AS LONG AS IT WAS SEPARATED OUT. AND WE HAD A WAY TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. AND I JUST SO I CAN GET THIS ON THE RECORD, I HAVE A SIMILAR DESIRE FOR IT IN ALL OF THE STUFF THAT THEY OWN. IS FOR THIS BUDGET SEASON. NO NO NO NO, NO, NOT EVEN THE FLEET FOR THIS BUDGET SEASON. NOT EVEN THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. BUT CAN WE WE SORT OF DO HAVE TIME. I MEAN, MAYBE IT STARTS WITH THE FLEET TECH THAT I'VE PUT IN FOR THREE YEARS, AND I TOOK IT OUT FOR THREE YEARS. AND I LOOK AT THAT THERE WERE ONLY ISSUE WITH THE FLEET AND I WANT THE FLEET TECH.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, I REALLY DO. BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, THE BUDGET'S TIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND IT. IT MAY NOT MAKE IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT COMES WITH SOME CAPITAL EXPENSES TO DO IT RIGHT. BUT THAT PERSON WOULD SERVE AS THE, YOU KNOW, FIRST GATEKEEPER AND WOULD WOULD, I BELIEVE, SAVE US MONEY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD SAVE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES IN THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THEY WOULD THEY WOULD DEFINITELY SAVE US SOME REPAIR MONEY FOR SURE. I AGREE, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN GO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN THE STEP OF TRYING TO GO TO SHOPS AND MAKE AGREEMENTS FOR THINGS. WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BUT BUT I THINK WE WILL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR THIS BUDGET OR NOT, BUT YEAH, THE FLEET TECH IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. EVENTUALLY, EVENTUALLY I AGREE. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FLEET TECH, BUT WE TOOK THEM OUT AND I, I THINK WE COULD SAVE A LOT. I THINK THEY WOULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. AND WHETHER IT'S THIS YEAR OR NEXT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO MOVE TO AND WE SHOULD JUST KIND OF KIND OF LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LIBRARY, IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED, LET'S JUST START THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT FOR NEXT YEAR AND LET'S START THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE PUT THE SHOP. AND I'M SURE THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK, BUT WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE'D SAVE DOING OUR OWN OIL CHANGES AND TIRE CHANGES. AND I BET IT'D COME PRETTY CLOSE TO PAYING THAT GUY'S SALARY. WE DID. BARRY, TO HIS CREDIT, DID A LOT OF THAT MATH ALREADY, AND IT WOULD IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT IT IN THE FIRST YEAR AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO GET IT GOING, BUT FROM A JUST STRAIGHT SAVINGS ON SIMPLE REPAIRS AND SALARY, IT DOES PAY FOR ITSELF IN THE FIRST YEAR. BUT WE HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. AND BEFORE I FORGET THE COST TO STRIP THE CAR FROM CAPTAIN BROWN'S 2500. I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A WITH A FLEET POLICY CHANGE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOWARDS, AS A COURT, BASICALLY STANDING UP A FLEET DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPERATIONAL CONTROLS, THE POLICY CONTROLS, AND A BUDGET THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT. AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH LISA ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM AN AUDITING STANDPOINT, AND HOW WOULD WE ACTUALLY WRITE THAT INTO A BUDGET? BECAUSE WE COULD DO IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN STILL HAVE A MAINTENANCE BUDGET IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT, BUT BY POLICY, RUN IT. AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH YOUR DEPARTMENTAL USE, SEPARATE GAS FROM MAINTENANCE, AND EVEN SPREAD IT OUT FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND WE COULD AGGREGATE IT AND UNAGGREGATED.

SO I'M SAYING THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS WE COULD DO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO. YOU'RE NOT READY AS THE FLEET COMMITTEE PERSON, TO JUMP OFF THAT HILL JUST YET. I MEAN, I'M READY WHENEVER WE'RE READY. I JUST, I, I CAN JUMP OFF OF THAT HILL AT ANY TIME AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT ROCKING AND ROLLING THE RIGHT WAY, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME PIECES TO GO WITH IT TO MAKE IT OPERATE CORRECTLY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS YEAR IS THE YEAR. WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT TO A LOT TO DISCUSS HERE BEFORE WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN TAX RATE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE THE AMOUNT IN THE CONSTABLE'S TO REFLECT $2,500 IS THE CORRECT ACCURATE COST TO STRIP A VEHICLE. SO I KNOW I SAID THAT HORRIBLY. YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW IT PASSES 5 TO 0. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF REITERATE WHAT I SAID ABOUT IT. THE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN A ROLL UP TO IS JUST BECAUSE OF ALL, LIKE WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET AGAIN. THIS WEEK AND OVER THE WEEKEND, I MEAN, ALL THE LAPTOPS SPEND WAS JUST, OH MY GOD, $2,500 FOR LIKE A LIKE A SOMETHING JUST SHOOK ME THE WRONG WAY WITH IT. NOT THAT ANYBODY'S DOING ANYTHING WRONG, BUT I JUST

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YES, SIR. I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 44 IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AT THE BOTTOM. NEAR THE BOTTOM. WEREN'T WE GOING TO ADD $45,000 FOR A VEHICLE FOR THE. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND, AND I'M. AND I'M ATTEMPTING TO GET IT DONE IN THIS YEAR. SO NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT I'LL GET IT DONE. OKAY. WELL, WE COULD STILL TAKE THE $45,000 AND PUT IT INTO 79 IF WE HAD TO. WE COULD. YES. LISA LOVES OUR SEPTEMBER COURTS WITH ALL OF THE BUDGET TRANSFERS WE DO. AND IT DOES. SO YOU'VE NOTICED IN YOUR BUDGET A BUNCH OF FUND TRANSFERS AND THAT THAT IS JUST MONEY WE'VE NOT SPENT THAT'S MOVING OVER TO MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND NEXT YEAR. AND IT, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST YEAR DOING A BUDGET, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. THERE'S ALL THESE MOVING PARTS. AND THEN YOU START TO KIND OF GET THE PULSE OF, ALL RIGHT, I SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD MORE CITIZENS THAN I CAN REALLY REMEMBER. SAY, MAN, THIS BUDGET DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, TELL ME ABOUT IT. I MEAN, IT IS THE WAY WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT. IT IS IF YOU'VE DONE A CORPORATE BUDGET, THIS IS GOING TO MAKE NO SENSE TO YOU. AND I'VE TOLD PEOPLE WHO'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE RUN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESSES. I SAID, THIS IS GOING TO DRIVE YOU CRAZY. IT IS IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE WAY YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IT. I AGREE, BUT I DO WANT TO COMMEND LISA AND HER TEAM AND MELISSA. MY GOSH, Y'ALL HAVE KEPT UP WITH IT. REALLY VERY GOOD WITH ALL OF OUR MOVING, ROLLING, ROLLING, ROLLING LIKE THE JUDGE SAYS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DA EXPANSION REAL QUICK. WE MOVED $1 MILLION IN. AND DID WE? REMIND ME, DID WE MOVE THAT FROM FUND BALANCE OR. OKAY, SO WE MOVED THAT IN FROM FUND BALANCE. AND ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I KNOW COMMISSIONER STACY WAS COBBLING TOGETHER APPROACHING A MILLION. HE HE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE AND A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE.

AND WE HAVE AGGREGATED IT IN THIS BUDGET, WHICH IS GREAT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPENDING IT FROM DIFFERENT FUNDS. SO THIS DRAFT OF THE BUDGET HAS ALL OF THAT MOVING INTO THE DA EXPANSION. EXCITING NEWS IS WE'VE HAD MORE PEOPLE SHOW UP TO DO THE WALK FOR THE BID THAN WE'VE HAD ON A LOT OF PROJECTS. SO I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME COMPETITIVE APPETITE. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN FOR THE FOR TWO THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BID TILL IT'S PRETTY LATE IN THE GAME. SO BEING OVER PREPARED TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY UNLESS WE HAVE THE CONTRACT. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S IN A DEDICATED FUND. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT. AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE THE FUND BALANCE TO TAKE THE MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO I DO THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD WAY OF JUST KIND OF GETTING THAT PROJECT, KEEPING THE LEGS ON THAT PROJECT AND JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. AND THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE TIMING MECHANISM OF GETTING ALL OF THE BIDS TOGETHER, GETTING THE SEALED BIDS TOGETHER, OPENING THE BIDS. BUT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET, WE WILL HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW THIS IS SHAPING UP. AND THEN WE CAN JUST REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE IF WE NEED TO. GOT IT, GOT IT. OKAY. LIKE I SAY, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT

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THERE'S A HIGHER AMOUNT THAN THE JUDGE HAS NORMALLY KEPT IN THERE. AND I KNOW THAT THE COURT HAS THEIR DECISIONS TO MAKE, BUT JUST TO KEEP YOU AWARE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY GOING INTO YOUR FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES AND THE LIKE, LIKE THE $400,000 CHILLER. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING SOME MONEY INTO A FUND IN CASE SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PROVEN THAT YOU CAN WORK WITHOUT AN AIR CONDITIONER. SO YEAH. THAT'S A LUXURY. THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. I'M NOT SURE PROBABLY OUGHT TO ANNOUNCE THIS, THAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WITHOUT AN AIR CONDITIONING FOR. THIS IS THE SECOND DAY RUNNING. SO WE ARE I SAID TO THE JUDGE, IF I WAS A PARANOID PERSON, I'D THINK THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, JUST TURNED IT RIGHT OFF ON YOU. BUT ANYWAYS, YEAH, MY STAFF IS AMAZING. WE'VE GOT THEM DIFFERENT ROOMS IN THE ANNEX BUILDING TRYING TO KEEP COOL. SO. WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW KIND OF WHERE WHERE ARE WE AT FUND BALANCE PROJECTION RIGHT NOW.

DO WE. 30 MILLION I THINK WAS THE LAST YOUR LAST AUDIT. HOW MANY MONTHS DOES THAT SO THAT IF YOU'RE A $60 MILLION BUDGET OR 61, YOU'RE YOU'RE BASICALLY AT SIX MONTHS. SO IF YOU'RE TAKING A MILLION, YOU'RE STILL AT THE STILL, YOU'RE STILL AT A GOOD RANGE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE WANT TO WAIT TILL THURSDAY, WE CAN JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. THURSDAY IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME. AND THE ONLY REASON NOT NOT DEFERRING IT BECAUSE IT IS A CONVERSATION. AND EVERY BUDGET I'VE DONE IT IS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BUDGET. ARE THE PHILOSOPHY, ARE WE BUYING DOWN THE RATE? ARE WE PREPARING FOR FUTURE EXPENSES? WHAT ARE WE DOING? ARE WE HOARDING THE PEOPLE'S MONEY? WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT I THINK, AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, HAVING SOME OF THESE OTHER ANSWERS, OTHER THINGS JUST BUTTONED UP, MAKES MORE SENSE. BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE. I'M GREAT WITH THAT. OKAY. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. PAGE 117. THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET. THERE WAS A $1,400 DRAIN MACHINE THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE $1,400, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T TIED TO THE FLEET TECH, ALTHOUGH IT IT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE LOOKED THAT WAY. BUT THIS IS KIND OF A MACHINE THAT A LOT OF FOLKS ARE COMING OUT AND USING TO BREAK UP DRAIN STUFF. AND THE LAST TIME THE COUNTY USED ONE, WE PAID $900 FOR SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND USE THIS MACHINE. I THINK I DID THINK THAT WAS A CAPITAL EXPENSE TIED TO THE FLEET TECH.

WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN, I WAS LIKE, I BET YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT HE DID BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO GIVE, NOT GIVE BARRY A $1,400 TOOL THAT COST 900 BUCKS TO COME TO THE COUNTY FOR EVERY TIME WE NEED TO USE IT. YEAH. SO I JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST INCLUDE THE, THE GATOR FLEX DRAIN MACHINE FOR $1,400. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES.

NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. AND THEN IF WE GO TO 138. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO, TO LOOK AT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE UNDER GENERAL GOVERNMENT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ACCESS CONTROLS AT ADULT PROBATION.

WHAT WHAT IS GOING ON IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT ACCESS CONTROLS AT THE ANNEX. AND SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, BOBBY AND I WERE TALKING TO BARRY AND WE JUST SAID, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO JUST DO IT ALL? LIKE, WHAT IS THAT ACTUAL AMOUNT? IS IT $500,000? IS IT 20? WHAT? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? AND THE ACCESS CONTROLS AT ADULT PROBATION IS RELATIVELY NEW AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. IT WOULD BE A THIRD SYSTEM, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT KIND OF ANNOYING, BUT I DON'T KNOW, FOR $15,000, IT'S REALLY WORTH FIXING A SYSTEM THAT IS WORKING.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET EVERYTHING ON ONE VENDOR, AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO WE DID INCLUDE IT BECAUSE BARRY INCLUDED IT BECAUSE HE HAD TWO

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SO I THINK THAT TAKING THAT OUT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. BUT I ALSO THINK INCLUDING THE WASHING OF THE BUILDING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE. AND SO THIS ACTUALLY ENDS UP HAVING TO SPEND ABOUT $46,000. IT WASN'T IN THIS DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. SO LET ME SO THE REAL COST OF WASHING THE BUILDING IS GETTING THE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND CLEAN THE WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE CLEANED. YES. AND SO HAVING THEM GO AHEAD AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE BUILDING ISN'T THAT MUCH MORE COSTLY. WE HAD IT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE WITH HOW THE QUOTES TURNED OUT. WE DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE WORK, SO IT'S LIKE WE APPROVED IT, BUT IT DIDN'T GET DONE. AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE BARRY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH HOW IT WAS QUOTED. AND WE DID SPEND THAT MONEY ON THE NEW COURTHOUSE GETTING SOME STUFF DONE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS WE CAN'T FUND MAINTENANCE ENOUGH IF WE JUST KEEP GIVING BARRY MONEY. I'M SURE HE WILL FIND WAYS TO MAINTAIN OUR BUILDINGS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. I JUST THINK THAT US GETTING RID OF ADULT PROBATION AND DOING THE DOING THAT WOULD BE WELL, WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. ALSO, THE PROJECT THAT SAYS ACCESS CONTROLS TRANSITION TO A LOCAL VENDOR AT THE LIBRARY TO ADD THREE DOORS TO THE SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT SYSTEM AND LOOK AT GETTING THE THREE DOORS ADDED. SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, BARRY AND I LOOKED AT THAT YESTERDAY. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT WE HAVE AN UPDATED QUOTE AT HAND. SO KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS WE KEEP IT IN THERE KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE FULL PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL DOORS WE WOULD LIKE ADDED TO THE ACCESS CONTROLS. AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT CHANGING THE WHOLE SYSTEM BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WERE JUST THINKING, WHAT WOULD IT COST US JUST TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO TO ONE VENDOR? AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND WE WERE DOING THAT AT THE TIME THAT THE JUDGE WAS WRITING THE BUDGET. SO IF WE WERE DOING THIS IN NOVEMBER, SOME OF THIS STUFF WOULD HAVE NEVER SHOWN UP BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE MADE THE DECISION. LET'S ONLY WORK WITH THE ANNEX BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN AND LET'S ADD THE THREE DOORS. SO SOME OF THIS IS JUST A TIMING ISSUE. IF WE GET IT CLEANED UP BEFORE THURSDAY, WE COULD GET THAT CLEANED UP. I JUST THINK WE LOOK AT JUST KEEPING THAT IN THERE BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL DOORS. MARCIN IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. IF WE WANT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT IT, WE TAKE THE ADULT PROBATION OFF AND THEN WE LOOK SERIOUSLY AT ADDING THE POWER WASHING OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE, BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE PRETTY DIRTY AND IT DOESN'T. I MEAN, WE COULD DO IT JUST AS A WINDOW WASH, AND IT WOULD BE $50,000 OR $55,000. SO BECAUSE THE COST IS THEM COMING OUT AND ACTUALLY DOING THAT, THAT SORT OF WORK, I THINK THE WINDOWS DO NEED TO BE DONE. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. THE ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK, AND SINCE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF THE OF THE COURTHOUSE ON YELLOW JACKET, IS THE LIGHTING THERE AT NIGHT TIME? AND BARRY, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU ON THIS, BUT AT NIGHT TIME I'VE DRIVEN BY IT AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LIGHTING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S DARK, IT'S DARK. AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LIGHTING IS SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING BROKEN.

CAN I SAY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY? YEAH. NO, NO, STAY UP HERE BECAUSE I MIGHT GET IT WRONG.

WE'RE WAITING ON ONE MORE LIGHT TO GO OUT BECAUSE IT COST A FORTUNE. WELL, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO RENT THAT LIFT TO GET TO THAT HEIGHT SAFELY. SO WE USUALLY DON'T DO IT FOR JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE TRY TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK ON THAT. WE BUT WE HAVE HAD THAT FINAL THING HAPPEN WITH OUR PIGEON MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE ON THE RADAR. IT IS ON THE RADAR. YEAH. SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. AND IT'S GOT IT'S GOT DARKNESS ON A LOT OF IT. IT IS. SO THE POWER WASHING THE EXTERIOR AND I'M JUST VOICING MY FRUSTRATION WITH IT. AND THE REASON BEING, STONE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK OLD. AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU GET STONE. IT DEVELOPS A PATINA AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK. NOW, I WOULD NEVER ADVOCATE FOR CLEANING THE STONE, OTHER THAN THE FACT THE WINDOWS DO NEED TO BE CLEANED WHEN WE CLEAN THE WINDOWS, ALL EVERYTHING ON THE WINDOWS IS GOING TO RUN DOWN ON THE STONE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE STONE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK. SO THE WINDOW WASHING IS WHAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO CLEAN THE STONE, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T DO. SO THAT IS JUST ME BEING A BIG BABY ABOUT IT AND SAYING WE SHOULD NEVER CLEAN STONE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN THE STONE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CLEAN THE WINDOWS. I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST RUN A LIFT AND SEND THE GUYS UP WITH SOME PAPER TOWELS AND SOME WINDEX I LIKE. I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. THAT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME. BARRY'S GOT THE BIG LIFT COMING. WE'VE NOW HIT THE HIT THE POINT WHERE WHERE WE HAVE TO DO IT SO THAT THAT IS ME JUST WHINING AND SAYING NORMALLY I WOULD WOULD

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THIS IS A REQUEST THAT'S COMING FROM THE JAIL ON THE ON THE FIX OF THE JAIL SERGEANTS. SO I'M GOING TO REMIND THE COURT VERY QUICKLY THAT THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE DID A STUDY. IT'S BECOMING MORE CONTROVERSIAL THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT STUDY WAS ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYWAY. WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT OUR JAIL SERGEANTS, BASED UPON THAT STUDY, WERE UNDER PAID. AND SO WHAT WE WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS FAIRLY COSTLY, WHICH IS WHAT THE THE BIG YELLOW HIGHLIGHT IS.

AND THAT'S JUST THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE SAYING THIS IS HOW YOU FIX THE PROBLEM, SO TO SPEAK. THE JUDGE DID FIX THE PROBLEM IN HIS FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION TO DATE ON. OKAY, WELL, WE FIXED IT. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE WAS A FIX. THIS WASN'T AN IGNORED PROBLEM. JUDGE NEW LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, HEY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT TRYING TO GET THIS RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED THAT NO ONE REALLY SAW UNTIL YOU KIND OF SEE IT ALL SPREAD OUT. IT WAS THERE WAS A MAJOR COMPRESSION OF SALARIES.

SERGEANTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, AND SERGEANTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A SHORT TIME ARE NOW COMPRESSING. AND SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO LOOK AT SAYING, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US NOT TO ALLOW THAT COMPRESSION AND ALLOW. YES, SOMETHING. AND SO I'M, I'M SHOWING YOU ALL WHAT IT IS. AND WHAT I LEFT ON HERE IS PROMOTION DATE, CURRENT SALARY JUDGE, NEWS FIX. AND THEN WHAT THE ADJUSTMENT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AND WHAT THE NEW SALARY COULD BE. WE ARE MEETING THURSDAY. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE COURT LET'S JUST PUT THIS IN FRONT OF US. LET'S NOT MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW AND LOOK AT IF THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION OTHER THAN ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT USUALLY IF THERE'S ONE OR THE OTHER, THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION THAT EXISTS IN THE WORLD. AND SO THE WORRY THAT IS BEING PUT TO YOU, OR WHAT ARE WE SOLVING WITH THIS PROBLEM IS THE COMPRESSION OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PROMOTED AND HAVE BEEN SERVING IN THAT POSITION FOR A LONG TIME, HAVING PEOPLE COME UP RIGHT BEHIND HIM BECAUSE OF THIS FIX. SO MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S A TWO YEAR FIX, OR MAYBE WE DO THE WHOLE THING. I'M, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE PROBLEM. SO WHERE IS HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COMPRESSION IS. SO LET ME SHOW YOU. SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT THEIR SALARY IS, RIGHT? THIS THAT NUMBER IS WHAT THEIR SALARY IS.

YEP. THEN THE ADJUSTMENT BASICALLY GOES HERE. YEP. AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT JUST GOT HIRED HERE WHEN THEY WERE HERE. SO THERE USED TO BE A SPREAD THAT THEY WORKED TOWARDS.

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AND I THINK A LOT ALSO, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF HAS COME TO US SEVERAL TIMES. AND AND IT'S ALSO SOMETIMES JUST TRYING TO SAY, KEEP UP WITH THE LOCAL COMPETITION, SUCH AS OUR ROCKWALL PD AND THE OTHERS AND WHAT THOSE AND WHAT THOSE SALARIES LOOK LIKE TOO. WE JUST KEEP CHASING THAT TAIL EVERY YEAR. AND I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN. GUYS ALWAYS, ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE COMMISSIONER GALLINA, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE SOMETHING AND I APOLOGIZE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOOK ON THIS 2027 PERSONNEL REQUEST. BUT DID WE DID WE VOTE LAST TIME? IN REGARDS TO THE JP'S PART TIME? WE DID. WE DID. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT TOO MANY PAPERS HERE. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE DID.

DID WE DO THAT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LICHTY NO. COMMISSIONER STACEY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THURSDAY IS THE DAY AT 1102. WE ARE ADJOURNED. WAIT. NOPE. OH, WHAT DID I MISS? WHAT DID I DO? OH, THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE ON HERE. THANK YOU. GOOD CATCH. GOOD CATCH. WE ARE NOT

[4) CONSENT:]

I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. SECOND, BY COMMISSIONER STACY, IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THERE WILL BE NO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO

[7) COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS:]

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