Sep 03, 2026 Commissioners Court Special Meeting

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GOING TO CALL OUR SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2020 6:09 A.M. I'M GOING TO ASK COMMISSIONER MITCHELL TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION, AND I WILL LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. THANK YOU. JUDGE, PLEASE BOW YOUR HEAD. LORD, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN THAT YOU SENT THIS WAY THIS MORNING AND THAT YOU'RE SENDING TO OTHER PARTS OF OUR OF OUR STATE. WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS GOOD AND FAITHFUL, AND I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR BLESSINGS. I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH THIS COURT THIS MORNING, AND YOU WILL GIVE US THE WISDOM AND THE UNDERSTANDING, AND YOU WILL HELP US TO MAKE THE RIGHT AND THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF ROCKWALL COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE AND THEIR DEDICATION, AND I WANT US TO WANT THEM TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT THEY DO FOR US, AND THAT IN THIS BUDGET SEASON, WE AS A BOARD, AS A BODY, ARE MAKING THE VERY BEST DECISIONS THAT WE CAN. AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING AND BEING WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND KEEP THEM SAFE. I PRAY ALL THIS IN YOUR HEAVENLY NAME. AMEN. AMEN. LET'S PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW THE TEXT WAS FLAGGED. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC FORUM. IT'S THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COURT ABOUT ANY COUNTY MATTERS.

NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. BUT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY CAN COME FORWARD NOW.

[2) TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT]

[4) CONSENT:]

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LICHTY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES? THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS,

[5) APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, BILLS, CLAIMS, AND PAYROLL(S):]

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. COULD I ASK A QUESTION? CERTAINLY. I'LL SECOND. SECOND. GOT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. NOW, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? WHEN WAS THIS SENT OUT? WITH THE AGENDA. AGENDA? OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA. I MEAN, LOOK, I HAVE TOTAL TRUST IN COMMISSIONER STACY AND THE AUDITOR ON THIS, SO. AND I'M GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I DON'T I NEVER GOT A COPY. I DON'T THINK IF I DID, I APOLOGIZE AND I'VE EMBARRASSED MYSELF HERE PUBLICLY, BUT I DON'T THINK I DID. I DON'T SEE IT ATTACHED EITHER. IT'S PROBABLY MY MISTAKE. SO I APOLOGIZE TO YOU. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A COPY OF IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT REAL QUICK. IT'S JUST TWO INVOICES. AS I SAID, I HAVE GREAT TRUST IN BOTH OF YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS LIKE THIS IN ADVANCE.

ABSOLUTELY, AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GALLARDO. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STACY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR

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[3.A) Discuss/Act on the proposed FY2027 2nd draft budget, and all related issues; (Judge New) https://rockwallcountytexas.com/DocumentCenter/View/14614/FY27-Proposed-Budget---2nd-Draft-PDF]

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE NEEDS IN AS FAR AS A MOTION BECAUSE IT ISN'T INCREASING THE BUDGET ANY. IT'S JUST USING SCAP GRANT MONEY FOR COMPENSATION, WHICH IS ALREADY WHAT THEY'RE USING SCAP GRANT MONEY FOR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT THE THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE JAIL WOULD LIKE TO USE $30,000 OF SCAP GRANT MONEY FOR THE FOR THE SERGEANT COMPRESSION ISSUE THAT THEY BROUGHT FORWARD AT THE LAST COURT. SO I GUESS I'LL MAKE THAT AS A MOTION THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT. WE HAVE THAT AS A MOTION. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND NOT REQUIRE A SECOND ON BUDGET MATTERS. THAT'S NOT ON HERE, IS IT? NO, NO, I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES AND THEN IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE WILL HAVE WE WE DO HAVE THAT ON THE ON THE COURT. I DO APOLOGIZE WE GOT TO THE FINALIZATION OF THIS AT ABOUT 5:00 YESTERDAY. SO IT WAS REALLY LATE IN THE DAY WHEN WE GOT ALL THIS FIGURED OUT. SO I AM THROWING IT TO THE AUDITOR WITH NO PREPARATORY MOVES. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. AND SO IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE TO CLEAN UP THAT ACTION, WE CAN DO IT. BUT IT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE SCAP GRANT. IT WILL NOT BE COMING OUT OF THE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. ALL RIGHT. WELL DONE. ALSO, COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A PIECE OF PAPER FROM JENNIFER FOGG, COUNTY CLERK. JENNIFER, IS THERE A PRESENTATION OR IS THIS JUST FOR INFORMATION OR. NO, SIR, IT'S FOR INFORMATION. GOT IT. OKAY. I WANT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME FORTH AND SPEAK, THAT I GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT EARLY ON. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT BEFORE WE GET STARTED? SEEING NO ONE? WE WILL GET STARTED. I HAVE I HAVE ONE MORE SMALL THING I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT. OKAY. WE HIRED IN THE IN THE DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THE DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S ABOUT A DOLLAR HIGHER THAN WE'RE PAYING OUR CURRENT DEPUTY CONSTABLE. SO I WOULD LIKE THE COURT TO LOOK AT. SO THE SECOND DRAFT HAS OUR DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S AT 3750. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT US MOVING THAT TO 3623, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING OUR DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH THE NEW PAY RAISE, A DOLLAR AN HOUR, A DOLLAR AN HOUR HIGHER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAID, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S IT'S A DOLLAR AN HOUR HIGHER, SO I APOLOGIZE. LAUREN, I GOT A WALLET HERE. YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON IN THE NEW SECOND? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST PUT IN AT THE 3750, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS REQUESTED. SO I GUESS THE ACTION OF THE COURT IS, CAN WE MAKE THEM ALL BE PAID THE SAME? AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PAY WHAT WE WERE PAYING OUR CURRENT DEPUTY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. AND THAT INCLUDES COLA AND MERIT TO GET OUR CURRENT TO 3623 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ALL DEPUTY CONSTABLE'S GET PAID $36.23 AN HOUR. ALRIGHTY. SO IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE.

THAT'S ALL PART TIME, ALL PART TIME DEPUTIES THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. I HAVE ONE MORE SMALL ITEM THAT LAUREN AND I WORKED ON, AND THAT IS NEMO. Q SO THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, IF YOU ALL RECALL, HAS THIS NEMO. Q WHAT IS NEMO? Q THAT IS WHERE YOU GO IN AND GET THE NAME AND NUMBER. AND THERE WAS A THERE WAS SOME, SOME HEARTBURN BY THE, THE GUY TO MY LEFT ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE WERE SPENDING ON TEXTING. SO WE DID SOME. WELL, ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT TRUE. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. IT'S HOW MUCH WE WERE PROPOSING TO SPEND ON TEXTING THAT IS FAIR BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPOSING 50,000 TEXTS A MONTH WHEN WE INITIALLY GOT INTO THIS, WHICH

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I VIEW THAT AS A DIFFERENT HELPING HANDS IS ONE OF THEM. GRACE CLINIC, GRACE CLINIC.

IT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT BECAUSE IT'S FOR HEALTH CARE. THAT'S RIGHT. MEALS ON WHEELS, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T OBLIGATE US IF IF WE DON'T PAY MEALS ON WHEELS. IT'S JUST SOME PEOPLE WOULDN'T GET SERVICES OFTEN. I WOULD SAY THAT MY OPINION ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE WONDERFUL. YOU KNOW, WE ALL UP HERE, LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, WE ALL SUPPORT THEM. VERY WELL AS COMMUNITY SUPPORTS THEM. WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PLACE FOR US TO CHOOSE WHAT TAXPAYERS DO WITH THEIR MONEY. WE'RE KIND OF FORCING THE ISSUE BY SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO USE YOUR TAX DOLLARS AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS. I WANT THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO GET ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO DO IT WITH WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS. I JUST THAT'S JUST MY PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEF. NOTHING AGAINST ANY OF THEM. BUT HE STATED THAT WELL, AND I JUST AGREE AS USUAL, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GALLINA. I DO THINK THERE'S ONE THING WE COULD DO, AND I KNOW YOU'VE TRIED TO DO THIS JUDGE IN THE PAST INFORMALLY, BUT WE'RE GIVING THE MONEY TO THE CITIES.

RIGHT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CHILD SAFETY FEE CROSSING GUARD? YES, SIR. AND I REMEMBER LOOKING INTO THIS A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND I'M SURE I'VE FORGOTTEN SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT WE'RE GIVING THAT TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO. AND I KNOW YOU'VE TRIED TO YOU'VE MENTIONED TO THEM, AT LEAST INFORMALLY, BECAUSE YOU'VE TOLD ME THAT THESE CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE GOOD, AND I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF PASSING A RESOLUTION IDENTIFYING ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE WORTHY OF THEIR PAYMENT. AND BUT THEY GET THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. WE CAN'T DIRECT THEM, BUT WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS. AND I'D BE FINE WITH THAT. AND I'D CERTAINLY BE FINE WITH INCLUDING BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IN THAT AND CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER AND CASA AND ALL THOSE

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THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT UNDER STATUTE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE MONEY. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. JUST DOING A RESOLUTION. HERE'S FOUR ENTITIES THAT WE MEET THE CRITERIA AND THAT WE'RE WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER. AND IF YOU'D LIKE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION LIKE THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. YEAH, WOULD LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO TODAY, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? I THINK EVERYBODY GENERALLY AGREES WITH COMMISSIONER GALLIANO'S STATEMENT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS NOT GETTING THE EXTRA 5000. SO THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN AT LEAST IN IF THE CITY CHOOSE TO. WELL.

AND AND FROM THE COUNTY. YEAH. AND FROM THE COUNTY. SO. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE THAT MOTION. JUDGE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I'M JUST HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, PART OF NOT NOT AN ORGANIZATION LIKE LIKE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OR MEALS ON WHEELS OR WHATEVER, WE PROBABLY ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CONVERSATION WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL BEEN BUILDING THEIR BUDGETS. ALSO, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY EVERYBODY'S FISCAL YEAR, BUT THIS COULD, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME IT COULD BE A A BIG NUMBER FOR THEM, SOME 5000 MAY NOT I UNDERSTAND, I CAN TELL YOU THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. THEY EAGERLY ANTICIPATE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET AND WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY, OKAY. THIS THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE. ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE LEAVE OUR HEALTH AND WELFARE EXPENDITURES WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLEAN UP DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, REDUCE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. WHO REMEMBERS WHAT THAT'S ABOUT? MELISSA. MELISSA. THE, THE COLLECTIVE MEMORY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED IN FISCAL YEAR 27. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT THAT IS EASY ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BY $1,500 BASED ON THEM NOT USING SOMETHING. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW. YEAH, THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. JP FOR ADDITIONAL OVERTIME FUNDS, CAN WE SAVE THAT FOR THE COMP DISCUSSION? WE CERTAINLY CAN. THANK YOU. WE CERTAINLY CAN. I'M JUST TRYING TO. SO ADJUST LIBRARY ACCESS AND DOORS QUOTE HAS NO. SO ARE WE STILL WAITING. WE DON'T HAVE A QUOTE, BUT CAN WE VOTE TO. INSTEAD OF SAYING CHANGE ACCESS CONTROLS TO HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET AS A CAPITAL LINE ITEM, TO ADD DOORS TO THE ACCESS CONTROLS IN THE LIBRARY. THAT WAY WE'RE DIRECTING BARRY ON ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS YOU WANT IT AS AN UNFUNDED LINE ITEM. NO, NO, NO, IT'S FUNDED. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT. IT'S JUST THE CHANGE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SAVE BY BY CHANGING THE SCOPE. SO WE'VE LEFT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT STILL SAYS CHANGE ACCESS CONTROLS AND ADD THREE DOORS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST JUST TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL DOORS TO THE TO THE LIBRARY, AND THERE WON'T BE A COST ISSUE WITH THAT. IT WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE YET. SO IT'S IT'S A SAVINGS. IT'LL BE A NEGATIVE NUMBER THERE AND IT'S IN MAINTENANCE. AND SO I'M SURE WE'LL FIND A WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY ON SOME MAINTENANCE ITEM AT SOME POINT IN THE BUDGET VOTE ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT RIGHT NOW IT SAYS IT'S GIVING BARRY DIRECTION THAT IS DIFFERENT, EVEN THOUGH HE 100% KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS A VOTE. IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SUGGEST IT DOESN'T NEED A VOTE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP OUR TOTAL REVISION. IT JUST DOESN'T CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE REALLY. YEAH. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THAT IT. WE WERE HEADED ONE DIRECTION, WHICH WAS A NEW PATH. WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON THE SAME PATH AND JUST ADD SOME DOORS TO THE CONTROLS, CHANGING TEXT, KEEPING THE MATH THE SAME. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT HE CAN SPEND THE MONEY WITHOUT THE PROPER DIRECTION, BECAUSE THE DIRECTION WAS SUSPENDED ON A NEW. COMPANY, AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO, SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE THE BUDGET TO REFLECT THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD DOORS TO ACCESS CONTROLS AND NOT CHANGE THE ACCESS CONTROLS. IT'S JUST A TEXT. SO I'LL JUST MAKE THAT MOTION AND WE CAN MAKE THIS DONE. OKAY. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. YES, SIR. THAT PASSED 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHTY. SO CLEAR THAT

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I IT THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO CALCULATE THE RIGHT NUMBERS TO HAVE IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. THAT THE CLERK TWO MOVES TO LIKE A STARTING PAY OF 50,000. RIGHT. AND, AND PART OF THE MONEY THAT MOVED OVER WAS GOING TO COVER THAT DIFFERENCE IN THE FIRST YEAR. SO THAT DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE COVERED OUT OF THAT SAME BULK MONEY THAT YOU MOVED OVER. SO THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MOVE AND PAY AND THE SUPPLEMENT, WHICH IS THE OTHER PART YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD BE COVERED OUT OF THAT 553,000 WITH THE REMAINDER TO GO INTO THE BUDGET. OKAY. SO I HAVE MOVED FROM FUND 57 TO THE GENERAL FUND 553,000. OKAY. THEN THE SALARY WE'VE ADDED A SALARY SUPPLEMENT LINE IN THE GENERAL FUND, COUNTY CLERK'S PERSONNEL LINE TO PAY THESE EXTRA EXTRA COSTS IS THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND AND IT'S BASICALLY $21,000 SHORT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING FROM FROM WHAT THE PLAN WAS. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, WAIT WAIT WAIT $20,900, BUT. 2919 YEAH. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE. 553 IN THE 53 PART FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, WE DIDN'T WE, WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT COMING OUT OF THE 553 WHEN WE WERE PUTTING IT ON OUR. SO IN THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, IT JUST DIDN'T SHOW IT.

RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT WE IT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN THE NUMBER. IT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR CONVERSATION, BUT WE JUST IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING. WE DIDN'T CLARIFY IT WELL ENOUGH.

OKAY. FOR, FOR THE TEAM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHAT I THOUGHT THAT THIS MONEY WAS PART OF THE 53.

THERE WAS THE 500 AND THE 53 THAT GOT LUMPED INTO 553. AND THIS WAS PART OF THAT. YES.

GREAT. AND LISA, WHAT PART WHAT'S THE TOTAL FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S USING THE 553,000?

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WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT PERSONNEL CLEANUP AT $950. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES, THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THAT TAKES US TO TRANSFERS. TRANSFER TO INSURANCE FUND $660,000 IN COURT. REMEMBER, COMMISSIONER STACEY. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.

WHAT ABOUT JP? FOR ADDITIONAL OVERTIME FUNDS? WELL, THIS GOES INTO WHAT DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT? FIRST COMP TIME, FUND BALANCES, TRANSFERS. IT'S JUST WHATEVER PLEASES THE COURT. WE HAVE ABOUT 3 OR 4 BIG DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE I WANT TO BRING UP TO YOU. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT IS THE JP WANT TO GET INTO THAT. JP FOR ADDITIONAL OVERTIME. IS THAT A BIG DISCUSSION? IT IS JUST PART OF THE COMP TIME DISCUSSION. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING TO THAT OKAY OKAY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON COMP TIME, THIS BECOMES UNNECESSARY. CORRECT? YES. BINGO. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO TALK AGAIN ABOUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH FLEET TECH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW OR SO I HAVE. LET'S LET'S DIVE RIGHT INTO THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ON MY LIST OF HURDLES WE HAVE TO GET OVER. COULD WE WAIT TILL THE END? BECAUSE I WANT TO SUPPORT YOU ON THIS, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE MONEY BECAUSE I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, AS YOU KNOW, WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS THAT I DON'T WANT TO SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO. THIS IS ONLY EXACTLY. YEAH. SO, JUDGE, DID WE DO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? DID WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ONE AS FAR AS WE WE DID. OKAY.

REDUCING THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE HAVE CLEANED UP EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE INSURANCE FUND TRANSFER AND THE JP FOR OVERTIME FUNDS. LAST YEAR, COMMISSIONER LICHTY DID SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. AND THAT IS, DO WE WANT TO TEMPORARILY KIND OF HAVE A GOAL OF WHAT WE WANT THE CONTINGENCY TO BE? BECAUSE THAT'S THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT TO BECOME A FIGHT FOR THE TAX RATE. SO AGAIN, IT'S A NON-BINDING VOTE, BUT DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET. I MEAN, THE CONTINGENCY IS 1.5 MILLION. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 1.5 MILLION WHEN WE'RE DONE WRITING THE BUDGET. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO CREATE SOME FRAMEWORKS OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE FIVE PEOPLE CHASING FIVE DIFFERENT GOALS.

AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KIND OF OPEN THAT DISCUSSION UP TO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO GET TO FROM A CONTINGENCY STANDPOINT. AND THEN WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT FUND BALANCES, WHICH GOES INTO THIS INSURANCE. AND I'VE GOT A QUICK PRESENTATION ON FUND BALANCES JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY MATH. IT'S NOT CRAZY. IT'S LIKE THREE SLIDES. THAT WAY WE CAN JUST SEE IT AND THEN WE CAN START REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON, ON THE RATE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN GET

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AND THE COMPLEXITY OF IT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS AT THE SAME TIME.

YES, EACH EACH ONE AFFECTS THE NEXT. BUT AGAIN, LIKE A NON-BINDING, I MEAN, ARE WE GOOD WITH 500? ARE WE GOOD WITH 600? DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT AT 700? DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT AT 10%? LIKE, LET'S TAKE THAT. THAT SEEMS TO BE AN EASY ONE. I THINK 500 IN SHORT TERM HISTORY HAS PROVEN TO BE AN ACCURATE AMOUNT FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINGENCY. SHORT TERM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST THE LAST FOUR, THREE, THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS. WHAT WAS IT, 563 LAST YEAR. YEAH. AND AND AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND HORRIBLE, BUT ANY NICKELS WE FIND WHEN WHEN THE BUDGET ACTUALLY SHAKES OUT ENDS UP GOING INTO CONTINGENCY. SO IF WE SAY WE WANT IT TO BE EXACTLY 500, IT'S NEVER EXACTLY 500. ANY ANY OTHER SAVINGS WE FIND IT JUST NATURALLY GOES INTO CONTINGENCY. SO I I'M OKAY WITH 500. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR MY RANDOM THOUGHT WAS ABOUT 600 BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A $60 MILLION BUDGET. JUST, JUST TO START, I MEAN, AS WE START TRYING TO FIGHT FOR THIS, AS WE START FIGHTING, TRYING TO FIGHT FOR THIS RATE, LET'S JUST MAKE A 1% CONTINGENCY AND THEN GO FIGHT FOR THE RATE. I JUST THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I CAN'T ARGUE AGAINST THAT. I'M COMPLETELY IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOOT FOR YOU SAID OUR RANGE OF FUND BALANCE SHOULD BE 4 TO 6, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALWAYS USED TO DO IN THE CITY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHOOT FOR A FUND BALANCE OF FIVE MONTHS. LAST YEAR WE SHOT FOR THAT. WE WENT BELOW IT. THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE REALLY STRONGLY NOT TO GO BELOW IT. I HAVE A REALLY LIKE I SAID, I HAVE SOME MATH ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, JOHN'S MATH, BUT I'M, I'M FOR I'M FOR LESS THAN FIVE. AND I KNOW THAT'S AGGRESSIVE. AND THIS COURT MAY NOT GO WITH THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT I'M AT FOUR AND A HALF AND I AND I. AND WE'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN DOLLARS AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE TAX RATE SHORTLY. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN DOLLARS, BUT I WOULD GO FOR FIVE. I FEEL LIKE THAT WE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE HAD TO. IT WAS NICE THAT WE HAD IT WHEN WE NEEDED TO PULL SOMETHING OUT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS INFORMALLY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A 1% CONTINGENCY AND ABOUT A FIVE MONTH FUND BALANCE, LIKE JUST NO VOTES. BUT THAT'S KIND OF OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUICK LITTLE PRESENTATION. THIS IS. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE FUND BALANCES. I WAS WHEN I FIRST MADE THIS SPREADSHEET, I WAS GOING TO TURN IT INTO LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO. SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. THIS JUST SHOWS THE MATH SO THAT THE COURT CAN CAN SEE IT ALL TOGETHER AND THAT WE'RE NOT. THAT WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A $64 MILLION BUDGET. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN UNASSIGNED BALANCE OF ABOUT $30 MILLION FROM OUR AUDIT REPORT. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE. SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME NUMBERS.

BUT IT'S NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE BECAUSE IF WE LOWER THE BUDGET IT WOULD LOWER THE NEEDS KIND OF THING. SO A SIX MONTH RESERVE ON THE CURRENT BUDGET WOULD BE 32 MILLION, FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS WOULD BE 29.35 MONTHS WOULD BE 26, SEVEN, FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS WOULD BE 24, FOUR MONTHS WOULD BE 243. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR THE COURT TO SEE THE NUMBERS. SO TO GET TO A SIX MONTH, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD 1.9 MILLION TO THE RESERVE TO GET INTO FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS.

WE WOULD SPEND DOWN ABOUT 750 000 A FIVE MONTH. WE COULD SPEND 3.4. I WANT TO REMIND THE COURT THAT THERE IS FUND BALANCE SPENDING IN THE DRAFT OF THE BUDGET. SO IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU 3.2. IT JUST GIVES YOU AN ADDITIONAL TO GET TO 3.2. YEAH.

AND THAT'S OVER LIKE A MILLION AND A HALF BUCKS OR SOMETHING. YES. RIGHT. WHICH AS YOU IT'S 1,000,000.25 MILLION AND A QUARTER, WHICH YOU CAN SEE. THE POINT OF ME GETTING TO THIS IS WE COULD DO THE INSURANCE TRANSFER OUT OF FUND BALANCE AND STILL BE ABOVE THE FIVE MONTH RESERVE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO LAND. SO. THE LAST BIT OF MATH I DID IS THAT WE'RE AT 5.3 MONTHS AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS FINE. IT'S, IT'S A GOOD SPOT TO BE IN. AND THAT'S THE MATH I DID. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KIND OF SEE SO THAT EVERYONE SAW THIS. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM, FROM, FROM A LEVEL AND WHAT THE DELTAS WOULD DO IF WE STARTED PLAYING WITH THE FUND BALANCE. OKAY. SO CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE ONE BEFORE THE, THE ONE AFTER. OKAY. SO 1.25 CURRENT DRAFT IS SPENDING 1.25, ABOUT 5.3 MONTHS. OKAY, SO GO BACK TO YOUR PRIOR SLIDE. SO WE TAKE

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NO. SO, OKAY, LET'S LET'S TAKE YOUR 600 BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY REAL OBJECTIONS TO TRANSFERRING TO THE INSURANCE FUND. MAYBE PEOPLE HAVEN'T, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THEM SO FAR. SO IF WE'RE AT 2.3 AND WE TAKE OUT 600 000, NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 660, LET'S SAY 700. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 1.6. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I CALCULATED YESTERDAY, 1.6. SO WE COULD GO TO A FIVE MONTH RESERVE BY TAKING ROUGHLY ANOTHER 1.6 MILLION OUT OF OUR, OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE, YES, WOULD STILL LEAVE US A FIVE MONTH BALANCE WOULD ALLOW US TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE TO. YES, WE WOULD BE BUYING DOWN THE RATE WITH FUND BALANCE UNLESS. THERE ARE OTHER BIG THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, FUNDING THE. THE FLEET TECH GUY.

SO WE COULD BUY A LOT OF THAT CAPITAL OUT OF THAT 1.6. OKAY. SO AND THEN DEAL WITH THE PERSON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS NUMBER YET, LISA, BUT LET'S SAY WE DID THAT. LET'S SAY WE TOOK OUT. THE 600,000. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS UP. THE 600,000. HE'S TALKING ABOUT 660 FOR THE INSURANCE FUND WE TOOK OUT. BOBBY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS FOR THE TECH FLEET? TECH FOR ALL OF TOPPED UP AND FOR ALL OF THE REMEMBER, THERE'S CAPITAL STUFF TOO. YEAH RIGHT. EVERYTHING. AND I'M KIND OF GOING WITH THE MIDDLE RANGE. SO IT MAY BE LESS THAN THIS. I JUST WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS. WE'RE HIRING IT. YEP. 126,000 126,500 EQUIPMENT. TWO YEAH. THAT IS SO THAT'S THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S LISTED ON HERE. BUT WHAT I DIDN'T SEE LISTED IN THESE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WAS ANY TOOLS. AND HOW IS THIS PERSON GOING TO WORK ON THINGS.

SO I PUT $6,000 IN FOR 130,000. YEAH. BOBBY. YEAH. IT'S CUSTOMARY WHEN YOU HIRE A MECHANIC THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN. YEAH. IF. YEAH. BUT IF THEY I KNOW, BUT NOT FOR EVERYTHING. THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME SPECIALTY STUFF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE. MAYBE WE WILL. 130. I'M GOING TO BOBBY. I DON'T WANT TO BE I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING ON THIS BOARD NEXT YEAR. YEAH. OH YEAH. YOU NEED STUFF. NO NO NO. AND I MEAN I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CUSTOMARY. I TRUST YOU, BUT WE GOT TO SHE KNOWS SHE'S SHE'S BEEN IN THIS DEAL. I WOULD KIND OF AGREE WITH BOBBY. TYPICALLY I'D THINK WE GOT TO BUY THE GUYS TOOLS, BUT IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T. OKAY, SO THAT'S 130. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS OUT AT ROAD AND BRIDGE.

WE'RE TALKING. YEAH, BUT THEY MAY BE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. I HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS AT HOME THAT I GOT FROM MY DAD AND I NEVER USE CAN I HAVE OF COURSE, I DON'T USE ANY TOOLS, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM I HAVE. I GOT A LOT OF TOOLS I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH AS WELL. LAUREN. SO WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT. OKAY, SO WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE ONE.

LET'S SAY WE TOOK THE 130, WE TOOK THE 660. WE'RE DOWN NOW TO ABOUT 1,000,005, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY. AND THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. AND, AND I THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE INSURANCE TRANSFER EARLIER, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS IS A TWO YEAR FIX.

SO US DOING 660 THIS YEAR GETS US HALF, HALF WHERE WE NEED TO BE. IF WE DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. NOW. OKAY. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. BUT ALL THE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE BASED ON THAT 28 CENT RATE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE BASED ON THE RATE THAT WE VOTED ON AND APPROVED. I THINK I, I, I, AND I'M SURE OTHERS ON THIS COURT WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE VOTER APPROVED RATE IF POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE NO NEW REVENUE. I WOULD LIKE TO GET BELOW THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS PROPOSING A DIFFERENT NUMBER ON THE RESERVE. BUT ANYWAY, I'LL GO AFTER YOU. I DON'T WANT TO GO ON A TANGENT. SO WHAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL ORIGINALLY? WE CAME IN WITH THE PROPOSAL BEING AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, RIGHT. WE WENT ABOVE THE VOTER APPROVED RATE. SO. SO MELISSA, I WANT TO WALK THROUGH YOUR ORIGINAL BUDGET.

CORRECT. WAS THE VOTER APPROVED RATE. OKAY. SO AND THAT THAT WOULD GET US TO WHAT? BOY, THIS IS ALL CONFUSING. VOTER APPROVED SAYS YEAH, BECAUSE WE CHANGED IT BECAUSE OF THE

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WHAT WAS JUDGE NEWS RATE 0.284858. THAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL SUGGESTION. NO NO IS THAT NOT CORRECT. 0.277746274 IT WAS 274. THIS IS 2026 IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP A WHITEBOARD MAYBE. THANK YOU. I'M JUST REFERRED. YEAH. TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. DRAW SOME NUMBERS ON A WHITEBOARD THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE UP HERE AND TRY TO FOLLOW THIS. MAYBE THAT'S FINE BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT JOHN'S TRYING TO HELP ME WITH IS JUST WHERE ARE WE AT ON A TAX RATE? AND YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE. BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT RIGHT NOW AND GET TO A TAX RATE WE CAN ALL AGREE TO. YEAH. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO USE FUND BALANCE, IT WILL BE TO BUY DOWN THE RATE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO WOULD WE NOT LOOK AT THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT THAT WE WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR HANDOUT ON I THINK IT'S PAGE 3 OR 4 THAT KIND OF WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED. NO, IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT GETTING TO WHAT LAUREN IS TRYING TO GET TO BECAUSE BECAUSE IT INCLUDES INCREMENTAL RATE AND AND FRANK DIDN'T USE ANY INCREMENTAL RATE. SO ALL OF OUR VOTER APPROVED RATE HAS KIND OF MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS FRANK'S ORIGINAL RATE, 274690. IS THAT CORRECT? CAN WE TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK SO I CAN GET SOME COFFEE? WHAT. YOU CAN JUST GO GO GRAB SOME. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T. YOU'VE BEEN RELEASED. I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU A HALL PASS. WE'RE TIMING YOU, THOUGH. SO I HAD YOU DOWN FOR 0.2742. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG BUDGET SHEET. THAT THAT WAS MY FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS WHAT WE HAD. BUT WE APPROVED. WE APPROVED HIGHER THAN THAT. WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS FUN NOW. THIS IS LIKE PICTIONARY. YES IT IS.

YEAH. FOR REAL. YEAH. OH FOR REAL. OKAY, I GOT IT. FRANK, REMIND ME WHAT THIS IS, I MEAN.

JUVENILE PROBATION, PROBATION, AND ADDED 19. THEIR BUDGET WAS EVEN SHORTER THAN WHAT THEY PRESENTED. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT? YES. CAN YOU PRINT THAT PAGE? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. OKAY. WE'VE DONE ONE BETTER. WE'RE GOING TO PRINT THE PAGE. SHE ALREADY HAS IT.

OKAY. JUST FOR SOME OF THE. WE TRANSFERRED AN ADDITIONAL LINE IN THE SECOND VERSION, WHICH WAS JUST 2.17 2.173 MILLION. OKAY, SO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS AMAZING. AND THEY ALREADY DID THIS IN A SPREADSHEET. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT PRINTED. WE WILL HAVE THE WHITEBOARD TO DO MATH AS WE DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES. BUT I THINK EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN SHE PRINTS THE PAGE. SHE JUST SHOWED ME THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT. GOT IT, GOT IT. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT IS A COMPLEX CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU ONE MOVE AFFECTS EVERY OTHER DECISION. WE MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT 19,000 OUT. WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION. I, I THOUGHT THAT CAME FROM JUVENILE DETENTION, JUVENILE DETENTION, THIS JUVENILE PROBATION. NO, BUT STILL IT STILL WOULDN'T IT STILL BE. IT WOULD STILL BE BOBBY. BUT I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER MACK HAS A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF OUR SHEETS, SEVERAL SEVERAL SHEETS AGO HAS A REVISION FOR $19,000 ADDITIONAL THAT WE TRANSFERRED TO JUVENILE SERVICES. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS STILL SHORT, 19000, AND WE NEEDED TO ADD TO THEIR REQUEST. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN ALSO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT GROUP INSURANCE CHANGE AS WELL. SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE HAD TO PUT IN THERE. BUT WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT WHEN WE SAID THAT WE WERE CHANGING THE GROUP INSURANCE. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I FORWARDED IT TO BOBBY BOEDECKER, AND HE'S SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T

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SO THANK YOU PAM. OKAY. I'VE GOT JUST A GENERAL QUESTION ON THE FUND BALANCE. IT WILL BE INVESTED CONSERVATIVELY BY TREASURER PEAK AS USUAL CORRECTLY. RIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT, THAT THAT FUND BALANCE IS ABLE TO BE INVESTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? OR DOES IT SIT IN AN ACCOUNT AND WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO INVEST THAT MONEY? GREAT QUESTION. I INVEST VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEYOND WHAT WE NEED NECESSARY TO STAY IN THE BANK. GOOD. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? AND I KNOW I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK THIS BEFOREHAND, SO I'M SORRY FOR THAT. BUT IF WE HAVE A. FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER ON RESERVES? WHERE IS THAT SHEET AT THAT SAID 60 MILLION AT FOUR AND A HALF.

HANG ON. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 64 MILLION. RIGHT. FOUR DIVIDED BY 12. THERE WE GO. 24 MILLION. 24 MILLION ON 24 MILLION. APPROXIMATELY. WHAT INTEREST COULD WE EARN ON THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, NEXT YEAR? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I WOULD LIKE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT ANSWER, TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DID THIS LAST YEAR AND MISSED IT, WE, WE, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO GET 2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL INTEREST. AND HOW SHORT WERE WE? 1.6 IT'S GOING TO END UP SINCE THE FISCAL YEAR IS NOT OVER. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE AT 1.5 MILLION. OKAY. SO GENERAL FUND INVESTMENT EARNINGS, YOU KNOW IT FLUCTUATES RIGHT NOW. THE MAJORITY OF THE INVESTMENT POOLS THAT THE COUNTY USES AS OF LATE JULY, WHICH IS THE CURRENT REPORT I'VE GOT, WE'RE EARNING ABOUT 3.8%. OKAY. SO YOU CAN DO THE QUICK MATH ON THAT. YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FUND BALANCE, REMEMBER, WHATEVER TAXPAYER DOLLARS WE'RE HOLDING OFF TO THE SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT I CONSIDER THIS MONEY TO BE, IT'S STILL EARNING INTEREST. AND IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR TO. AGREED, AGREED. SO, MELISSA, YOU WANT TO WALK US THROUGH THIS SPREADSHEET? OH, SORRY. WE BUDGETED A LINE ITEM FOR INTEREST EARNED. WE HAVE YEAH. THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE. AND WE WE WERE I'M JUST SAYING THE FUND BALANCE PRODUCES MORE MONEY. IT PRODUCES INCOME FOR US IN THE FORM OF INTEREST. OKAY. YEAH IT IS. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOES. BUT IT'S IN THE BUDGET.

SO SO I THINK THIS ANSWERS THE QUESTION LAUREN WAS TRYING TO GET TO. SO THE FIRST NUMBER, WHICH IS A WHICH IS THE 0.2620. THAT IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THAT NUMBER IN PARENTHESES IS HOW FAR OVER THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS FROM THAT RATE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

THEN THE SECOND RATE WAS JUDGES JUDGE NEWS, FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET RATE. CORRECT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET OR, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE POINT. IT'S AT $1.1 MILLION OVER. AND THEN I ASKED, AND SHE'S DONE MORE THAN I ASKED HER TO DO. THANK YOU. JUST TO KIND OF HIT SOME MIDPOINTS SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THESE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. SO THOSE WOULD KIND OF BE WHAT I WOULD THINK, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COURT, KIND OF OUR TARGETS TO TRY TO GET BACK DOWN TO WHERE JUDGE NEW WAS. AND THEN I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY TO GET BACK DOWN TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL $2.7 MILLION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S HOW THE MATH WORKS OUT. AND I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, LAUREN, THAT YOU WERE GETTING TO. YEAH. AND THEN WE JUST GOT TO EXCUSE ME. WE. THEN WE JUST HAVE TO TIE IT INTO ALL THESE NUMBERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO MAKE SURE WE HIT IT, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET I WAS THE ONE THAT PROPOSED THE FREE FLEET TECH, AND THEN I WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK IT OUT. AND I, I AGREE WITH BOBBY. IT WOULD BE THREE YEARS IN A ROW. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET IT. SO, SO SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

AND THEN AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE, IF ANYONE'S LISTENING, IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE GETTING PRESSURE TO GO UP IS BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING ROAD BOND MONEY THAT WE WEREN'T SPENDING IN PREVIOUS YEARS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE GETTING THIS UPWARD PRESSURE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY HARD TO GET BACK DOWN TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A DEBT SERVICE OF $3.1 MILLION THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS. SO AS LONG AS WE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE REALLY WORK REALLY HARD TO GET THE BUDGET DOWN, I THINK WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. BUT WHEN WE SPEND BOND MONEY, IT DOES HAVE REPERCUSSIONS. AND THE THE PEOPLE WANT US TO BUILD ROADS. SO WE CAN'T FORGET THAT

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RIGHT. ISN'T THAT CALLED RAISING TAXES. I THINK WE CAN HIT THE I THINK WE CAN GET CLOSE A LOT CLOSER OR HIT THE. NO NEW REVENUE RATE DEPENDING. BUT BUT IF THE COURT'S DESIRE IS NOT TO GET THAT LOW IN, IN, IN FUND BALANCE, THEN WE WE CAN'T. AND THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE COURT. RIGHT. AND RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING. IN GENERAL TERMS, OUR REAL DISCUSSION REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHERE WHERE IS THE COURT COMFORTABLE IN FUND BALANCE. TOTALLY AGREE. BUT MY POINT IS, AT EITHER ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, THE TAX RATE IS GOING TO GO UP. YEAH. CORRECT. BUT YOU COULD HIT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE STILL. IT STILL COULD BE DONE. MAYBE. YEAH IT STILL COULD. YEAH SURE COULD.

THE ONE, THE ONE WE COULD STAY AT 25, TEN IF WE WANTED. YEAH. THAT'D BE REALLY TOUGH. WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BE? REALLY TOUGH. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA. IT'D BE REALLY TOUGH TO SEE THAT. YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. YEAH, WELL, WE COULD. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS STILL BEEN REALLY STAYING IN MY MIND IS THE THE 90TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING TOUTED RIGHT NOW FROM THE LEADERSHIP IS THAT THEY WANT TO REIN IN RECKLESS LOCAL SPENDING.

THEY WANT TO CUT WASTE AND PROTECT TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND THEY WANT TO DELIVER MORE RELIEF TO COUNTER LOCAL PROPERTY TAX HIKES. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WHERE WE MAY SEE SOME SOME CHANGES THAT COME IN AFTER THE AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND IF WE HAVE GONE DOWN TOO FAR AND AND WE MAY BE THEN BE BE FACED AGAIN THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WITH A NUMBER OF INCREASES AND GROWTH, BECAUSE ALL THE COUNTIES IN THE METROPLEX ARE ALL STRUGGLING ON THEIR, THEIR, THEIR BUDGETS RIGHT NOW. AND I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN READING THE DATA I'VE SENT YOU FROM COOK, THEY ARE MONITORING ALL OF THE COUNTIES, NOT ONLY IN IN THE NORTH TEXAS, BUT IN THE STATE AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT. I MEAN, I'M NOT FOR RAISING RAISING IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO BE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE 12 MONTHS FROM NOW. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. NO, WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND I GET IT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT. THE THE OTHER KIND OF GENERAL THOUGHT I'D HAVE IN COMMENT I'D MAKE IS THAT IF WE ARE SPENDING DOWN A FUND BALANCE TO PAY CURRENT TAXES OR PAY CURRENT EXPENSES, WHEN EXPENSES GO UP NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. AND THERE GETS TO BE A POINT WHICH THERE WILL, WITH YOUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT FEE, TO WHERE WE KEEP SPENDING DOWN, SPENDING DOWN, SPENDING DOWN. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET IN A DANGEROUS SPOT. BUT WE'VE BUILT THAT DOWNWARD SPENDING INTO OUR RECURRING EXPENSES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT OURSELVES IN A BIND. I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY SAID I'M WILLING.

I WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE IT FROM WHERE WE'RE AT, AND BOBBY WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE IT A LITTLE MORE.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IF WE'RE SPENDING OUR SAVINGS TO PAY CURRENT EXPENSES NEXT YEAR, THOSE CURRENT EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE THERE AGAIN AND THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND OUR SAVINGS AGAIN NEXT YEAR. AND LET ME SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY. WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT USING IT TO PAY ONGOING EXPENSES. WE'RE USING IT TO PAY FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL EXPENSES OR ONE TIME BIG PURCHASES. WE'RE NOT NOT, YOU KNOW, PAYING SALARIES WITH IT. AND WE'RE USING IT FOR, FOR BIG PURCHASES. WE AREN'T. IF WE'RE BUYING DOWN THE TAX RATE, WE ARE, WE'RE I MEAN, IF WE'RE BUYING HIRING A FLEET TECH, WE ARE. I MEAN, IT'S SEMANTICS IS WHAT I THINK IT IS, IS BECAUSE THE NEEDS WILL STILL BE THERE, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE LAUREN IS IT'S NOT LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WON'T NEED IT EQUIPMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO YEAH, WE CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE POINT MILLION DOLLARS AND BUY COMPUTERS WITH IT AND SAY IT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE AND IT'S NOT SALARIES, BUT BUT IT

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WE GOT KIND OF GOT SIDETRACKED AND, AND I THINK RIGHTFULLY SO BY COMMISSIONER STACY'S COMMENT THAT LET'S KIND OF TALK ABOUT GOALS. WE'VE ALL KIND OF LAID OUT WHAT WE THINK AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. CAN WE GET BACK INTO THE MEAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE ADEQUATE DECISIONS, RATHER THAN JUST MAKING STATEMENTS THAT REALLY AREN'T BACKED BY FACTS YET? WE ALL SAID WHAT WE THINK. SO LET'S JUMP INTO IT. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT THIS INSURANCE FUND DEAL WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT. AND THEN I GUESS THE ISSUE OF COMP TIME IS STILL OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S $130,000 IN OUR BUDGET, AND THAT'S $130,000 OF OUR SO CONTINGENCY FUND OR OUR GENERAL FUND, WHATEVER. BUT SO LET'S GET THOSE ISSUES. CAN WE GET THOSE ISSUES? LET'S DO THAT. SO LET'S TAKE THE COMP. I'M SORRY LISA. GO AHEAD. SORRY. I JUST HAVE A CORRECTION FOR YOU GUYS.

IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD ONE. SO THE 2.2620 THAT'S HALFWAY BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND JUDGE NEWS. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS 0.249440. SO 0.249440. AND WE CAN DO THE MATH HERE IN A MINUTE FOR YOU. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT YOU'RE CAPABLE OF GETTING DOWN TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. DO THE MATH FOR US PLEASE. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A TAX RATE DECREASE OF 6/10 OF A CENT. OKAY. SO YOU AND I WERE KIND OF SAYING THE SAME THING. YOU SAID WE CAN GET TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND I SAID WE CAN CUT THE RATE 2510 RATE. NEITHER OF US WERE SPEAKING BASED ON FACTS, BUT WE WERE SAYING, BUT WE WERE WE WERE WE WERE IN THE SAME DIRECTION. WE WERE AGREEING, BUT WE WEREN'T SPEAKING BASED ON FACTS. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. SOMETIMES THAT'S OKAY. LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMP

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DO WE WANT TO BACK UP FROM THE DECISION THIS COURT MADE, OR DO WE WANT TO STAND WITH THE DECISION THIS COURT MADE? AND IF SO, DO WE WANT TO GET RID OF OVERTIME? DO WE WANT TO HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD CONTROL WHAT THEY DO WITH OVERTIME. WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE HEART OF THE COURT? EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I STAND. SO I'M PROBABLY THE EASIEST ONE TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE DECISION WE MADE IN JUNE, WHICH WAS TO CAP IT AT 40 HOURS AND SAY IT'S GOT TO BE SPENT BEFORE VACATION, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE TRY IT FOR ONE YEAR AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK AND IT'S IT TURNS OUT TO BE A MISTAKE, THEN WE'LL CHANGE IT NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF THE DECISION WE MADE. AND I THINK THAT WILL TAKE $130,000 OFF OUR BUDGET NUMBERS. MY MY THOUGHT IS, IS A HALF STEP FURTHER BACK IN TIME THAN YOU'RE GOING TO GO. SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE WHEN WE WROTE THE NEW POLICY WAS LEAVE CREATING OVERTIME, WHERE SOMEONE WORKED 35 HOURS IN PERSON, TURNED IN EIGHT HOURS OF LEAVE, AND GOT PAID OVERTIME WHEN THEY WERE ONLY AT WORK FOR THREE. SO I'M SAYING WE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM. I THINK WHEN WE FORCE COMP BEFORE VACATION, I WANT TO REVERSE THAT DECISION AND SAY, I'M GOOD WITH YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT IN ORDER TO GET PAID OVERTIME. BUT I THINK THE DECISION BEFORE US IS TO EITHER, SAY, COMP TIME CAN BE USED AS IT WAS, OR COMP TIME GOES AWAY.

I STILL LEAN TOWARDS COMP, TIME GOES AWAY JUST PERSONALLY. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE FORCE COMP TIME BEFORE VACATION, IT IS CAUSING PROBLEMS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE POLICY. IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF FRUSTRATION FROM EMPLOYEES BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE THESE ACCRUALS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MANAGE, AND THEY FEEL LIKE WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY WHEN THEY'RE WORKING OVERTIME BECAUSE THEY'RE MAXING OUT THIS ACCRUAL, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE COMP TIME TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENED. AND I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S DOING SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO DO NECESSARILY. SO MY POINT IS, IS I THINK THAT THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER OF THOSE DECISIONS. I LEAN TOWARDS JUST GETTING RID OF IT ALL TOGETHER AND KEEPING THE OVERTIME IN THERE. I DO KNOW THAT IT'S $130,000 DECISION. I THINK THAT IT'S STILL A GOOD DECISION. I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF FIGURING OUT THE HIDDEN COSTS, THE BEST I COULD OF COMP. I'VE TOLD YOU SOME OF THAT. THE PAYOUTS ARE ABOUT $17,000 A YEAR FOR PEOPLE THAT LEAVE, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO IT'S NOT EARTH SHATTERING. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING OUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO, TO FOLKS THAT LEAVE. BUT WE HAD 10,870 HOURS OF COMP TIME TAKEN IN THE LAST TWO F YS. THAT'S PAYING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT TO WORK. WE CAN BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WHATEVER. THAT'S A LOT OF TIME OFF IN TIME OF YEARS. I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW THE TIME OF WHAT THEY'RE ROLLING THAT INTO? I MEAN, BECAUSE WOULD IT HAVE BEEN AT A DIFFERENT RATE AS WELL WHEN THEY EARNED IT POTENTIALLY? YES, YES. I MEAN, BUT THAT'S JUST ALL WE CAN GET IS USAGE. EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT'S PAYING PEOPLE NOT TO WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE ACCRUING LEAVE AND THEN THEY'RE TAKING OFF WORK. I'M SAYING IT'S LOST HOURS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY WORKED THE OVERTIME HOURS. YES.

SO WE'RE NOT PAYING PEOPLE NOT TO. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT'S A BAD THAT IS A BAD LOOK. WE'RE PAYING. BUT THAT COMP TIME COSTS US MONEY. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE ARE USING OVERTIME. AND THEN. AND THEN THEY'RE TAKING TIME OFF TO COMMIT TO TO OFFSET THE OVERTIME THAT THEY'VE WORKED 10,870 HOURS THE LAST TWO YEARS, FROM TEN ONE TO DATE OF USED COMP TIME. BUT, BUT IF WE HAD A DIFFERENT POLICY COMMISSIONER STACY, THEN THE I WOULD THINK KIND OF THE OWNERSHIP WOULD BE ON THE ON THE DIRECTOR LEVEL, THE MANAGER LEVEL IN THAT DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE EMPLOYEE THAT'S ASKING FOR THAT, RIGHT? WE COULD HOLD, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABLE. THAT'S HOW IT IS DONE IN CORPORATE AMERICA. YEAH. THAT 10,000 NUMBER DOESN'T SCARE ME. THAT THAT'S PEOPLE USING COMP TIME CORRECTLY AS FAR AS WE KNOW AS IT WAS INTENDED. YES. THAT'S ROUGHLY

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HOPEFULLY IF WE DO THIS, I DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND CHECK HER OVERTIME EVERY WEEK. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY JOB. RIGHT. AND OUR JOB IS TO OVERSEE THE WHOLE BUDGET. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. SO AGAIN, THEY'RE MANAGING IT. IF IT IF IT DIDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT, IF WE WEREN'T PAYING OVERTIME BEFORE AND WE HAD 10,000 HOURS OF COMP TIME, AND NOW WE GET RID OF COMP TIME AND WE'RE PAYING $130,000 IN OVERTIME. THAT TO ME SAYS THEY'RE MANAGING IT HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT, AND I'M WILLING TO LET THEM DO THAT. BUT LOOK, I'VE SAID WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THIS, I SO I'LL SHUT UP. SO A COUPLE OPTIONS AHEAD OF US. ONE, JUST DO AWAY WITH IT. AND IT IS WHAT IT IS, WHICH THE COURT HAS DONE. WE JUST HAVE TO FUND OUR DECISION, RIGHT. TO THE TUNE OF $130,000. YEP. OR WE CAN BACK IT UP AND JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO STUDY THIS FURTHER. AND COME TO A DECISION THAT THAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY.

AND YOU SAY, STUDY IT FURTHER. ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE USE THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO STUDY IT FURTHER? IS THAT KIND OF WHAT AND GET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND HAVE THEM BACK TO YOUR POINT OF NOT MICROMANAGING A DEPARTMENT. HAVE THEM TELL US WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE I DO DISAGREE WITH THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT. WHILE I DON'T MICROMANAGE, IT IS PART OF MY JOB TO LOOK AT WHO'S SPENDING OVERTIME AND WHO'S GOING TO HIT THEIR BUDGET AND WHO DIDN'T BUDGET CORRECTLY AND WHY. SURE IT IS. AND NOT THAT IT'S SCOLDING THEM, BUT IT'S JUST LOOKING AT HOW HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT IS MANAGED. AND TO YOUR POINT, NOT TO ARGUE COMP TIME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE I SAID I'D SHUT UP ABOUT IT, BUT I HEARD YOU BACK IN. BUT TO YOUR POINT OF STUDYING IT FURTHER, I'M GOING TO HAVE A PROPOSAL LATER TODAY ON HOW WE DO THAT. YEAH, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH STUDYING IT FURTHER AND NOT, YOU KNOW, UPSETTING THE APPLE CART SO MUCH. I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I STILL JUST, I STILL JUST COMP TIME TO ME IS OVERTIME. WE WOULD HAVE SPENT. I KNOW IT'S OVERTIME. WE WOULD HAVE SPENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE OF THEIR BUDGETED ALLOTMENT. AND SO ANYTIME YOU SEE COMP TIME ACCRUED, IT MEANS SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THEIR OFFICE AND WE PAID FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET. YEP. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS WHEN IT HAPPENS. AND THAT'S WHY IT IRRITATES ME. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOUR TAKE IS IT MAY BE VERY VALID, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I NEED TO I NEED FOR MY BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S HAPPENING.

AND IT MAY BE A VALID REASON AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO SOLVE IT SOME OTHER WAY. YEAH. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPROACH IS STRAIGHTFORWARD. ONE WAY THE COST IS HIDDEN THE OTHER WAY IT'S NOT. SO I GET THAT. SO WHAT I DON'T KNOW LEGISLATIVELY IF WE CAN UNDO SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPERLY NOTICED AT COMMISSIONERS COURT BY SIMPLY HAVING A VOTE OR MAKING COMMENTS ON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOTICED AS A BUDGET, NOW WE DEFINITELY CAN VOTE TO THE BUDGET IMPACTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN UNDO OUR PREVIOUS VOTE THAT THE COURT TOOK. WE CAN WE CAN REMOVE OVERTIME FROM THE BUDGET. AND AT THE SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING, WE CAN PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT WOULD REVERSE WHAT WE DID BEFORE AND WHAT I WOULD WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COURT IS THE REVERSAL. I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE THEY CAN USE COMP TIME, HOW THEY USE COMP TIME. AS FAR AS GETTING RID OF THE VACATION

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AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE FAILINGS, IN MY OPINION, WITH THAT. AND I THINK YOU AGREE WITH SOME OF THEM. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A PLAN TO FIX THAT HERE BEFORE WE'RE DONE TODAY. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. SO SO I THINK THAT'S HOW FAR WE'RE GOING TO ROLL IT BACK.

SO JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IN THE NEXT DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ANY OF THE OVERTIME BECAUSE OF COMP. IT WILL STILL HAVE OVERTIME IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT WON'T HAVE THE ADJUSTMENT FROM THE COMP GOING AWAY. OKAY. WELL HOLD ON LISA, I HAD ONE COMMENT. I JUST, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY MY BUDGET. THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S BUDGET HAS THE $10,000 OVERTIME, WHICH YOU CANNOT, WE CANNOT REMOVE BECAUSE THAT WAS A COURT ORDER.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WILL BE SPENT, BUT JUST SO DEDUCT THAT FROM YOUR YOUR.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO I HAVE THAT AT 106,000 IN THE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT MY CALCULATION WAS. SO I'M SAYING YOU TAKE THAT TEN. SO WE SAVED ABOUT $90,000 I THINK IS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO SHAKE OUT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S ADD TO THAT $90,000 AND LOOK AT JP FOR AT ADDITIONAL OVERTIME FUNDS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT $556 THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. SO I'M I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THAT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES. NOW THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO THE 556 COMES OFF, WHICH BRINGS US WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.

THE TAX RATE QUESTION IS COMING INTO FOCUS. WHAT'S THE SALARY ON THE FLEET TECH. IT IS. SORRY.

IT IS. BASE IS 599 90. BUT WE CAN HIRE. I THINK WE CAN HIRE 10% ABOVE THAT. IS THAT CORRECT.

AND THEN THAT ROLLS UP WHAT, 10% MORE WHATEVER. OR IF WE HAVE TO. YEAH. 599 90 WAS GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM. BARRY WANTED TO BUDGET A LITTLE ABOVE THE MINIMUM IN HOPES THAT WE WOULD FIND SOMEBODY WITH SOME EXPERIENCE. IT'S NOT THE TOP. THERE'LL BE A SOLO DEPART, IT'S NOT THE TOP. BUT 87, SIX, TEN WAS LOADED ON MY SHEET HERE, 87, 610. SO THE POINT IS, IS I BET YOU WHAT WE JUST DID WITH OVERTIME IN HIRING THE FLEET TECH TECH BECOMES REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO A BUDGET NEUTRAL DECISION. YEAH. AND REMEMBER TOO THAT THAT THERE ARE SOME SAVINGS THAT WILL REALIZE ON THE FLEET TECH BY DOING OUR OWN INSPECTIONS ON AND ON AND ON. THERE'S SOME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BARRY PRESENTED TO US. YEAH, AND I TOTALLY AGREE. AND COMMISSIONER GALANTI, YOU SAID, I THINK AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT IT WOULD ALL ROUGH ESTIMATES, I GET IT, BUT IT WOULD THE SAVINGS WOULD ALMOST PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE.

YEAH. AND I BELIEVE THE SAVINGS WILL PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE. IT'S JUST THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO GET STARTED. AND BUT THOSE AND THOSE SAVINGS AREN'T REFLECTED IN OUR BUDGET YET.

AND WE CAN'T DO IT NOW. WE KNOW BECAUSE AND WE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE HAVE A PROJECTION, BUT IT'S NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO PUT IN A BUDGET AND RELY ON. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I AGREE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THAT REDUCTION IN EXPENSE MAY BE. SO ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THE FLEET TECH? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT THE FLEET TECH BACK INTO THE BUDGET. THAT'S A TOPPED UP SALARY OF 866 TEN ALONG WITH THE EMISSIONS EQUIPMENT, BATTERY TESTER, OBD2 SCANNER, LAPTOP, TWO POST LIFT, OIL BARRELS AND TOOLS THAT AREN'T LISTED IN HERE OR EQUIPMENT AT $6,000. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL COST OF AROUND $130,000 TO PUT THIS BACK IN BUDGET IMPACT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT. SECOND NOTED IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. IS THIS IS THIS GOING TO BE AN EMPLOYEE UNDER MAINTENANCE OR IS IT GOING TO BE ITS OWN DEPARTMENT? IT WILL BE UNDER MAINTENANCE. UNDER MAINTENANCE.

OKAY. SO LET'S WE GOT THAT. LET'S I DON'T THINK WE TOOK A TOOK A VOTE ON CONTINGENCY YET AT ONE AT 1% WE WE DO INSURANCE. AND THE CONTINGENCY WE NEED TO. WELL, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION. I'D SAID 500. IT'S NOT ON HERE JUDGE I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION BUT I THINK

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THIS IS GOOD. AND IF IT'S NOTHING, THEN THAT THEN THAT KIND OF CHANGES THE CALCULUS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO THIS IS THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM IN CONCEPT, BUT IT'S JUST SO MUCH MONEY. IT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT WE STILL HAD ONE ONE IN. DO WE STILL HAVE ONE OR DID WE TAKE IT OUT? NO, WE WE HAVE ONE IN THE ARCHIVE FUND. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE. OKAY. IT'S IN THE ARCHIVE FUND ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY IMPACTING. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I MEAN, AT THAT COST. I MEAN, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IS THAT? THAT'S AT LEAST A COUPLE TOPPED UP EMPLOYEES. SO IT'S GOT TO IT'S GOT TO REPLACE THAT IN THE FUTURE, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION IS HOW I LOOK AT THESE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S GOING TO KEEP INCREASING IN EXPENSE EVERY YEAR. IT CERTAINLY IS EXPENSIVE. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. AND I DON'T THINK YOU THREW ME UNDER THE BUS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT COMPLIMENT. THANK YOU. BUT I WILL ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT IF WE GET RID OF THIS BOT, THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT YEAR WITH MY PROPOSAL AT THE END OF THIS MEETING. YEAH, YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT TEASING THAT PROPOSAL. I'M EXCITED ABOUT MY PROPOSAL, BOBBY. I'M EXCITED. I'M EXCITED ABOUT MY PROPOSAL. OKAY. AND SO I'D GET RID OF, I'D GET RID OF THAT AI BOT TO THAT RECORD ARCHIVE BOT. YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD, BUT USING THE ARCHIVE FUND. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S SO HARD TO USE ANY OF THAT ARCHIVE MONEY. ALL RIGHT, SO I WOULD KEEP THAT BOT IN THE ARCHIVE. WELL THOUGHT OUT, SO WELL THOUGHT OUT. SO AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 16 THAT WE TRANSFER $660,000 OF FUND BALANCE INTO THE INSURANCE FUND. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STACY, AND WE ALL SUPPORT THAT 5 TO 0. AND AGAIN, ONE MORE REMINDER. THIS IS A TWO YEAR PLAY. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A VERY SIMILAR MOTION ONE YEAR FROM TODAY. UNLESS THEY GO DOWN. AND INSURANCE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING DEFENSE. WE'RE ALWAYS REACTING.

AND EVEN NEXT YEAR WHEN WE SAY, OKAY, WE DID IT, THEN WE'RE JUST ONE YEAR AWAY FROM REACTING AGAIN. SO THAT CLEANS UP THIS PAGE, I BELIEVE. JUDGE, I HAVE THE NUMBER FOR YOU GUYS.

AND THIS NUMBER IS THIS IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AT 0.249440. OKAY. THAT NUMBER IS 6,479,543 6,000,400. THAT'S HOW MUCH MORE WE'D HAVE TO REDUCE THE BUDGET. CORRECT. AND, COMMISSIONER LICHTY, I DID DO THE RATE OF 0.2510 AS WELL. AND THAT IS 6,148,779. THAT'S 2510. THAT

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WE'LL ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, IT IS 1050. I'M GOING TO CALL US BACK IN TO OUR SPECIAL SESSION. WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM THREE, A DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2027 SECOND DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. WE ARE MAKING SOME HEADWAY HERE. SO, JUDGE, MAY I BRING AN ITEM BACK UP FOR US TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON YOU? CERTAINLY. OKAY. THIS WILL BE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE U. K G TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL SOFTWARE AND THE, I GUESS, THE TIMEKEEPING HARDWARE FUND. I GUESS THOSE TWO THINGS LAST WEEK WHEN WE TOOK THAT VOTE, IT WAS IT WAS A VOTE THAT HAD TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN IT, BUT IT WAS ONE VOTE AND I WAS I VOTED IN FAVOR FOR THE, THE, THE SOFTWARE, THE UKG TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL SOFTWARE. BUT I WAS NOT I DID NOT INTEND TO VOTE FOR THE THE OFFICE THAT IT WOULD RESIDE IN.

SO BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF MOTION TO REDO THAT AGAIN, I DO WANT TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COURT THAT BY MOVING THE POSITION TO THE HR DEPARTMENT, CAMI HAD REACHED OUT TO ME LAST WEEK AFTER THIS, AFTER WE TOOK THE VOTE, AND THAT WITH THAT, OUR DECISION FOR US TO MOVE THE TIMEKEEPING TO THE HR DEPARTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO PROBABLY CAUSE HER. AND I HOPE I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT TAKING ANY WORDS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, CAMI, BUT THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE IN THE ROLE FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS THE COURT'S ADMINISTRATOR FOR THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT, SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVICE US WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND OVERSEEING THE ALL THE DIFFERENT OWNERS OF THE DIFFERENT GOALS AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES. AND SO SHE SHE MADE ME AWARE OF THAT AND I APPRECIATED THAT. BUT I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, GUYS. AND I SAY, GUYS, JUST AS I'M TALKING TO YOU, I DON'T MEAN THAT DISRESPECTFUL. I'M I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS THIS BODY, WHETHER WE VOTED ON IT INITIALLY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN COMMISSIONER GILLEN AND LICHTY CAME ON, WE WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT'S KIND OF BEEN ON A LITTLE BIT OF A HIATUS FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AND DON'T DON'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK ON OUR, OUR AGENDAS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THE, THE OWNERSHIP AND THE OVERSEEING OF FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE WITH CAMI AND CAMI'S DEPARTMENT, BUT CAMI SPECIFICALLY TO WORK ALONGSIDE JIM, OUR PIO, JIM BARTOW. AND THEN I WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THE IN THAT IN THAT GROUP. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO HAS OTHER THAN JIM THAT HAS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A PART OF ALL OF THE TRAINING, ALL OF THE, THE, THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITHIN VISIO, THE SOFTWARE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE. AND CAMI HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF PARTICIPATING IN THOSE AND KEEPING KEEPING US ALL APPRIZED AND KEEPING US INVOLVED WITH WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AS GOAL OWNERS. SO I'M GOING TO PLEAD WITH YOU GUYS FOR US TO, TO KEEP THE VISIO WITHIN CAMI'S DEPARTMENT. AND IF THAT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT SHE'S CONFRONTED WITH MORE THAN SHE CAN DO, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO I WOULD PERSONALLY FEEL BETTER THAT AND WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE KEEP THE THAT THAT THAT POSITION AS FAR AS THE PAYROLL AND KEEP IT IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. SO YOUR MOTION IS TO KEEP PAYROLL IN THE TREASURY? YES. TREASURER'S OFFICE, THAT WAS. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BECAUSE WE HAD WE VOTED ON ONE VOTE WITH TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS, ONE FOR THE SOFTWARE, THE UKG, AND THEN ONE FOR THE DEPARTMENT THAT IT WOULD RESIDE IN. AND, AND THE, THE NEW, THE NEW. I THINK BOTH OF THEM, BOTH CAMI AS WELL AS TREASURER PEAKE, HAD A POSITION FOR SOMEONE TO BE ADDED TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT'S HR OR WHETHER IT'S THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT. OKAY, WELL, CAN WE.

[01:25:05]

THERE WERE THREE PIECES OF THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO REOPEN IT, CAN WE DEAL WITH EACH OF THEM SEPARATELY? BECAUSE MY VOTE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD WE NOT HAD THEM ALL COMBINED INTO ONE. RIGHT. AND I AND I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S KIND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS WANTING TO GO WITH THAT. IF YOU GUYS WOULD APPEASE ME ON THAT, LET'S, LET'S HEAR YOUR MOTION. OKAY. SO MY FIRST MOTION WILL BE THAT WE APPROVE THE UKG TIMEKEEPING AND PAYROLL SOFTWARE. AND THEN I GUESS THE SECOND THING UNDERNEATH THAT IS THE TIMEKEEPING HARDWARE FUND, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 100,000. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, 95,000, AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. WE CAN VOTE ON THAT, I GUESS. WHAT WHAT I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN AND SAY IS I STILL STAND BY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE PERSON INTO HR, IT CHANGES MY OPINION OF USING THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THERE IS. THERE IS A MAJOR LACK OF. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING IT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

AND IF WE SPEND THIS MONEY AND WE HAVE ISSUES IMPLEMENTING IT, THEY CAN JUST PULL THE PLUG AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT. AND SO IF I THINK THE DECISION IS THE PERSON IS AS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE SOFTWARE IN MY MIND, IF THE COURT WANTS TO KEEP PAYROLL WITH THE TREASURER, I WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF NOT ADDING UKAJI, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION WOULD NECESSARILY BE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE WOULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO, NO CONTROL OF SEEING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND IT COULD GET IN AND GO, OH, THIS IS COMPLICATED, OR WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM OR THIS ISSUE HAPPENED. AND THEN IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST DONE. AND WE AND WE HAVE ZERO ABILITY TO SAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO. OKAY. AND, BUT, BUT IF WE DO THESE INDIVIDUAL VOTES, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE YOUR VOTE, YOUR HEART. SO I'M SAYING IF WE START WITH UKAJI, WHICH I'M TOTALLY FINE, STARTING WITH UKAJI, THEN IF THE SECOND VOTE GOES A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN WE MIGHT BE BACK TALKING ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO THEM A DIFFERENT ORDER THEN. THAT'S BECAUSE FRANKLY, I FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT UKAJI. BUT IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO SO MAYBE WE SHOULD START WITH THE FIRST THING IS WHICH WHERE'S IT GOING TO RESIDE? WHERE IS IT? OKAY, WELL, I'LL START THERE THEN. IF THAT'S THE IF THAT'S THE VOTE WE NEED TO TAKE RIGHT NOW, I DO WANT TO TO SAY THAT WE DID HAVE TREASURER PETE COME UP AND HE GAVE A VERY, I THINK, A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION THAT HE WAS 100% GOING TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS IF IT WERE TO RESIDE IN HIS DEPARTMENT. SO I DIDN'T I DIDN'T, AND I THINK HE WAS GENEROUS ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A BAIT AND SWITCH TYPE OF CONVERSATION. I AGREE THAT WAS A VERY GENUINE RESPONSE. YES. SO AND I MEAN, AND WHEN WE TAKE THAT, I COULD LOOK AT OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, COMMISSIONER STACEY, THAT WE ALSO DO WE GIVE THEM OTHER WE GIVE THEM POWERS THAT. IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THEY COULD THEY COULD SAY THE SAME THING. I DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE BUDGET, IF IT'S A BUDGETED ITEM. SO AND WE HAVE THAT HAPPENING ACROSS MANY, MANY AREAS WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT IS YOUR MOTION.

OKAY. MOTION. I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THAT. ONE. IS THAT WE WILL SEEMS KIND OF WEIRD TO SAY IT THIS WAY, BUT THAT WE WILL. WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THE. YEAH. I'M YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PAYROLL. WE'RE JUST KEEPING THE PAYROLL FUNCTION. OKAY. THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF PAYROLL. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE TO. THAT'S WHY I FIND IT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT OKAY. WE'LL SEE. LOOK, IF IF YOU I MADE A SUGGESTION. DO YOU WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT MY FEELINGS. WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEEM TO BE ORDERLY. MORE ORDERLY. BUT I READ OFTEN. I'M WRONG. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S DO THE.

WE'LL TRY THE ORDER, THEN. I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT, BUT WE WILL KEEP THE PAYROLL FUNCTION WITHIN THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT. A MOTION TO KEEP THE PAYROLL FUNCTION IN THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT FAILS. 3 TO 2. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION THEN, BEFORE I CAN. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN ORDER, THEN I NEED TO I WANT TO VOTE THAT. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IF WE KEEP. IT APPEARS THAT WE WILL BE KEEPING THE PAYROLL FUNCTION. THE PAYROLL FUNCTION NOW WILL BE WITHIN THE HR DEPARTMENT. AND I AM NOT IN FAVOR. I WANT TO TAKE A VOTE THAT I CAN'T ACCEPT THE THE EMAIL THAT CAMI SENT ME, THAT SHE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THIS COUNTY

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BUT LET'S HEAR FROM THE PERSON THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING TALKED ABOUT. WELL, AND I JUST, I, I DO WANT TO SAY I SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COURT. I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE GOALS AND INITIATIVES OF ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND I REALLY DID NOT INTEND FOR MY EMAIL TO COMMISSIONER MCCULLOCH TO POINT BLANK SAY THAT I AM NOT DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE I SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COURT. MY INTENTION WAS I CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THE COURT NEVER TOOK ACTION TO PUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN UNDER ME. I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY YOU TOOK ACTION FOR CHRIS LYNCH TO BE PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, AND IT JUST NATURALLY FELL UNDER ME DUE TO MY MY JOB DESCRIPTION AND MY TITLE AND THAT I SUPPORT THE COURT. SO WHEN YOU TOOK ACTION TO PUT THE TIMEKEEPING PIECE UNDER HR, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE PROJECT.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE A CLERK. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO. I CANNOT ABSORB THOSE JOB DUTIES WITHIN THE STAFF THAT I CURRENTLY HAVE. I WILL NEED TO HIRE A CLERK. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. I WILL NEED TO LEARN YOU. KG MANDY WILL NEED TO LEARN. KG IN ADDITION TO OUR CLERK. WE'RE. I DON'T HAVE PAYROLL LAW UNDER MY BELT. I'M WILLING TO LEARN. I AM ABLE TO LEARN, I JUST I FELT THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IN MY OPINION, THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE COMMUNICATING. THE RESULTS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR INITIATIVES ARE TURNING OUT TO BE. AND THAT SEEMED TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC INFORMATION TYPE ROLE. I, I CAN I'M HAPPY TO KEEP SUPPORTING THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IF TIME KEEPING FALLS UNDER HR, I'M GOING TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH THAT ROLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE WAY THAT I HAVE IN THE PAST.

REALISTICALLY, BUT AGAIN, I SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COURT. I I'M WELL, YOU RAISED A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION THAT I NEVER THOUGHT OF. AND AGAIN, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THIS BECAUSE WE JUST VOTED ON IT. BUT YOU SAY YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO WHEN IF YOU'RE TAKING OVER THIS FUNCTION OCTOBER 1ST, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE TIME CARDS DONE AND GET ALL THE PAYROLL DONE? SHE WOULDN'T TAKE IT OVER OCTOBER 1ST. WHY NOT? BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AT LEAST A TRANSITION PERIOD OF PULLING IT OVER, MAKING IT HAPPEN. THIS IS FUNDING SOFTWARE AND FUNDING A PERSON. SO WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY ACTION TO TAKE AWAY PAYROLL FROM THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT. WELL, WE KIND OF JUST DID. YEAH. NO, THAT THAT WAS JUST A BUDGET.

WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE ON OCTOBER 1ST. I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET FOR 12 MONTHS AREN'T WE? YEAH. BUT IT TAKES TIME TO PUT THE SOFTWARE IN PLACE TO TRANSITION EVERYTHING OVER. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON OCTOBER 1ST. IT WILL HAPPEN. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET POLICIES TOGETHER AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY THE SOFTWARE. BUT YOU CAN'T JUST START RUNNING PAYROLL ON OCTOBER 11TH WITH BRAND NEW SOFTWARE. WHEN WE HAVEN'T TRAINED OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, WE HAVEN'T PUT IT IN PLACE. WE HAVEN'T HIRED THE CLERK. RIGHT. IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE. OKAY. SO CAN WE GO BACK AND KEEP PAYROLL FUNCTION, AT LEAST FOR NOW WITH THE TREASURER? BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST VOTED NOT TO DO THAT. AND I AND I MAY BE THAT MIGHT BE MY FAULT FOR GETTING THIS ALL MIXED UP. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT, BUT I ASSUME TOO, SHE'S TAKEN OVER OCTOBER 1ST. WE CAN'T TURN PAYROLL FUNCTION IN A IN A BUDGET SPECIAL MEETING OVER. THAT HAS TO BE A COURT ORDER OR A RESOLUTION BY THE COURT THAT SAYS WE'RE TAKING OUR LEGISLATIVE POWERS AND PUTTING PAYROLL INTO HR. WHAT THAT VOTE WAS, IS THAT PERSON GOT HIRED INTO THE HR DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE GIVING HER PERMISSION TO HIRE A PAYROLL. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT VOTE WAS. WELL, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE SHOULD BE.

THAT'S WHAT THE INITIAL VOTE WAS. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT VOTE WAS. THAT VOTE NOW, THE VOTE WAS JUST TAKEN, WAS VERY CLEAR. AND AND. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION. YOU MAY BE RIGHT ON THAT. BUT THE VOTE WAS VERY CLEAR. IT WAS TO KEEP THE PAYROLL FUNCTION IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. AND THE VOTE WAS NO. SO IT'S NOT IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. SO I THINK, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY, WE SHOULD. SORRY, AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET. SO THIS IS ALL BUDGETARY UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF BUDGETARY DECISIONS. SO THIS IS ANY DECISION WE MAKE IMPLEMENTS

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AND CAN WE DO IT WHERE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO APPROVE IT, APPROVE IT, BUT LET'S FIGURE IT ALL OUT BEFORE WE JUST BOOM. YEAH. ANY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MISS A PAYROLL. SO YOU ARE CORRECT. SO IT WAS IT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS WE DO HAVE TO GET THE THE PAYROLL SOFTWARE IS APPROVED. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE CONTRACT AND THEN IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT PASSING SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION OR INTENT OF THE COURT ON, ON WHAT WE SEE THE TRANSITION BEING.

RIGHT. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE INVERSE OF CREATING A POSITION, BUT NOT FUNDING IT.

IT IS THE INVERSE WOULD BE FUNDING THE PURCHASE, BUT NOT DOING IT YET UNTIL WE'RE SURE WE CAN DO IT. WELL, 1,000%. OKAY, I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. BUT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? SO WE, WE I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WELL, LET'S WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CAMI'S POSITION. I YEAH. BUT SHE SAID SHE SERVES AT THE WILL OF THE OF THE COURT. SO I AM I MY MOTION WILL BE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP THAT CAMI HAS WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS THE ADMINISTRATOR, HER ADMINISTRATOR POSITION FOR THE FOR THE ROCKWALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. ALL RIGHT.

I JUST IS THAT BUDGETARY. WELL, IF IT STAYS IN HER DEPARTMENT, IT'S BUDGETARY BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO GET IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLERK IN THERE. AND SHE JUST EXPLAINED, SHE JUST EXPLAINED THAT THAT THIS THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRANSITION AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF A LOT OF MANAGEMENT FROM, FROM FROM.

CAMI, WITHOUT A DOUBT, BUT IT WILL BE AT THE CHAGRIN OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WHAT THE WORKLOAD CAN LOOK FOR YOU. I DO NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THAT. CAMI, I DON'T BECAUSE I THAT'S WHY I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I'VE APPRECIATED EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN DOING. AND DO I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF IT IS THE PIOI DO, BUT I THINK THAT AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATING IT, IF WE LOOK AT THE LARGER COUNTIES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY ALL HAVE ADMINISTRATORS OF THEIR OF THEIR COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THAT IS WHERE IT RESIDES WITH THE, THE OVERSEEING AND THE MANAGEMENT OF ALL THE, THE, THE GOAL OWNERS OR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES, YOU KNOW, AND I SEE THAT. BUT THOSE PLACES THAT HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR ALSO HAVE AN HR DIRECTOR AS WELL. THEY HAVE BOTH ROLES. AND, AND I, I THINK THE BIGGER PROBLEM, AND I HATE TO SAY PROBLEM SAYING THAT LOOSELY WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN RIGHT NOW IS THAT TOO MUCH OF IT IS RESIDING WITH CAMI AND SHE CAN'T RUN THE.

SHE'S NOT. I KNOW SHE HAS SOME ADMINISTRATOR DUTIES IN HER JOB TITLE, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE A SEPARATION OF CAMI BEING A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN HIRED SOMEONE TO BACKFILL HER ROLES AND EVERYTHING SHE DOES WITH HR. AND SO WE CAN'T EXPECT CAMI TO DO BOTH OF THESE JOBS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PUBLIC FACING PART OF IT ASSIGNED REALLY STEP BY STEP. CAMI, THIS IS YOURS. AND I BELIEVE JIM WOULD HAVE A BIG PART IN THIS. JIM BARTOW. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT HE DOES. AND SO I, I REALLY THINK IF WE DIG INTO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR

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AND IF IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO JUST DO, WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO THE PIO AND THEN AND THEN REALLY START TO WORK WITH EACH OF THE GOAL OWNERS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INPUTTING AND STAYING ON TOP OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR GOALS, THEN I GUESS WE CAN TRY THAT. THAT IS NOT THE BEST PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US THROUGH IN THE, THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE, WE WERE WORKING WITH IN ENVISION. OH, I GET, I GUESS THE ONE THING IS I DON'T THINK SEMANTICS IS, IS, IS, IS GOING TO SOUND SEMANTICAL. BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT SEMANTICS. CAMI IS NOT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO, SO BIG COUNTIES HAVE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS AND BUDGET OFFICERS AND HR DIRECTORS. SO SO I'M JUST SAYING IT. SHE DOES DO A LOT OF FUNCTIONS OF A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND THERE ARE SOME OF THAT PUT INTO HER DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT SHE ISN'T THE AN ACTUAL CONSTITUTIONAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO I'M JUST SAYING LIKE SHE'S, WHAT IS IT CALLED? LIKE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, EXECUTIVE COORDINATOR TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IS WHAT HER TITLE IS. SO, SO, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE JOB DESCRIPTION ON THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE DIFFERENT FROM AN ADMINISTRATOR? IT'S CLOSE, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD HAVE ZERO HR FUNCTION. AND AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERSIGHT, SHE'S OVERSEEING PEOPLE WITH FULLY AUTONOMOUS OPERATING DEPARTMENTS. SO SO SHE'S NOT MANAGING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. SO MY POINT IS THAT SHE'S A HYBRID JOB. SHE IS NOT THE COUNTY. I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE SEMANTICS, BUT SHE ISN'T THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THE FIVE OF US ARE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS.

SHE ASSISTS US IN THE JOB OF ADMINISTRATING THE COUNTY. OKAY, I MAYBE SEMANTICS. YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS A POSITION THAT WAS CREATED FOR HER WHEN JUDGE SWEET WAS HERE AND DURING COVID AND I ASSUME DURING SOME OF THOSE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN TAKEN AWAY. AND I THINK HER SALARY HAS BEEN COMMENSURATE WITH WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS, WAS AT THAT TIME. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT MAY NOT BE COMMENSURATE RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, I'M JUST SAYING, OKAY, WELL, I, I IF I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT ME TO PUT THIS IN A BUDGET IMPLEMENTATION IMPLICATION THOUGH, JUDGE, BECAUSE I MADE MY MOTION THAT AND I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE'VE ALREADY THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I WANT TO KEEP CAMI IN THE ROLE OF THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR WORKING WITH ALL THE GOAL OWNERS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THIS BUDGET DOES THAT. I DON'T I DON'T WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT THERE. I THINK FOR A REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THIS COULD BE A GREAT AGENDA ITEM THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS LIKE POLICY QUESTION YEAH. HOW IT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. AND THEN I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER MAC. LOOK AT ALL I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS BUDGET IS TRYING TO. THERE'S NOT ANY IMPLICATION THAT WOULD CHANGE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ROLES OF THE PLAN AT ALL. BUT WELL, BUT BUT YEAH, WE TALK ABOUT THE EMAIL THAT SHE SENT ME DID BRING, BRING, BRING CONCERN TO ME. OKAY. AND THAT AND THAT IS A BUDGET IMPLICATION BECAUSE IF SHE'S NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN I DO SEE A BUDGET IMPLICATION THERE. SO SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING HIRING? NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING HIRING.

OKAY. NO, I DON'T I GUESS I DON'T SEE THE BUDGET IMPLICATION. I MEAN, IF IF

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BUT IF WE'RE DOING THAT AND THEN WE CHANGE IT, THEN THAT, THEN AND WE CHANGE IT AND MAKE A BUDGET DECISION, THEN IT REALLY BELONGS RIGHT NOW. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW IS IT A BUDGET DECISION? WHO'S WHO WILL DO IT THEN? WHO WILL DO IT AND HOW WILL THEY BE COMPENSATED FOR IT? I GUESS I WOULD ANSWER BY I DON'T ENVISION I ENVISION THIS CHANGING ANYBODY'S COMPENSATION LEVEL BECAUSE IT HASN'T DONE THAT TODAY FOR ANYBODY'S ROLE.

WHAT I ENVISION IS JUST TRYING, WITHIN WHATEVER BUDGET FRAMEWORK WE ADOPT, I WOULD ENVISION THEN LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND FINDING THE BEST PLACE TO PUT EVERY ACTION THAT IT NEEDS. AND THAT'S IT. I JUST WANTED TO SPELL THEM OUT. WE MAY CHANGE NOTHING, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION IN A REGULAR COURT MEETING WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THERE'S A LITTLE TIME TO PREPARE SOME IDEAS, AND THEN I DON'T ENVISION IT CHANGING COMPENSATION AT ALL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T I DON'T THINK WE CHANGED COMPENSATION WHEN IT CAME ONLINE FOR CAMI. NO, WE DID NOT. I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE GOALS OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING THE EXECUTION OF IT MAY BE IS MEANT FOR A REGULAR COURT SETTING. I LOVE I LOVE THIS DISCUSSION. BUT IT BRINGS UP AGAIN THE ISSUE I MADE ABOUT TEN MINUTES AGO. THAT FIRST MOTION WAS REALLY COMPLICATED THAT YOU MADE AND IT GOT APPROVED. AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, COMMISSIONER GALLINA, ABOUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAKING A DECISION TO CHANGE ANYTHING. AND SO AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS VOTE, THAT WILL SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION SOONER OR LATER ABOUT THIS. OKAY, GUKGU KG.

OKAY. YEAH. THEY USE THE LETTER A. OKAY. SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THIS COMPUTER SOFTWARE THAT'S MANUFACTURED BY SOME COMPANY WITH INITIALS. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, I THINK THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT'S BEING HAD SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THEN THAT MAYBE WE DON'T JUST VOTE YOUR LAST MOTION SAID AND MOVE IT TO HR, MOVE THE PERSONNEL, MOVE THE PERSON. WELL, YOU SAID ADD ONE CLERK FOR HR. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. MOVE THE PERSONNEL REQUESTED FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. AND IF THAT'S WHERE IT GOES, I'M NOT SURE THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. IF THAT FUNCTION GOES OVER THERE, MR. PEAKE HAS A STAFF OF FOUR BESIDES HIMSELF. RIGHT. OKAY. AND HE WAS HE HE WAS ASKING FOR ONE PERSON TO SUPPLEMENT THE FULL TIME CLERK THAT HE OR PERSON HE HAS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TITLE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DIMINISH IT. THE TITLE, THE FULL TIME PERSON HE HAS. IT DOES ONLY THAT. AND SO IF WE JUST GIVE HER A CLERK, THAT PERSON MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PERSON AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN IT. SO THE POINT OF ALL THIS IS, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THIS TRANSITION IDEA, BEFORE WE SAY, LET'S MOVE IT OVER THERE AND GIVE HER ONE PERSON, ONE CLERK. LET'S IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS SOFTWARE, APPROVE IT, BUT LET'S FIGURE OUT THE TRANSITION TO COME BACK TO THE COURT LATER. AND IF IT GOES TO HR OR IF IT STAYS THERE, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE STAFF IT PROPERLY AND TO SAY, GIVE HER A CLERK FROM WHAT SHE JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S PROPER STAFFING. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THE SOFTWARE, LET'S VOTE ON THAT. BUT LET'S NOT VOTE. MAKE A BIG TRANSITIONAL SHIFT UNTIL WE KNOW HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO TRANSITION. THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT. I AGREE, AND FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE UK, G AND THE HARDWARE IN THE BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY

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AMEND YOUR MOTION. SINCE WE DON'T NEED SECONDS, CAN I AMEND YOUR MOTION. BUT THAT WE DON'T IMPLEMENT IT AND PURCHASE IT UNTIL WE COME BACK TO THE COURT. WE FUND IT, BUT WE DON'T PURCHASE IT TILL IT ALL COMES. THE PLAN ALL COMES BACK TO THE COURT. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, WITHOUT THE COURT'S APPROVAL TO BUY THE SOFTWARE. GOOD. SO I'M SAYING LIKE, I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. OKAY, GREAT. THEN THEN THEN HE MODIFIED HIS MOTION ACCORDINGLY. AND I'LL SECOND IT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S LET'S QUICKLY CAST OUR VOTES. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 1. OKAY. AND SO NOW I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE SAKE OF LAWN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRANSITION. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE FUNDED SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE NOT PURCHASED. WE HAVE FUNDED A CLERK IN THE IN THE HR DEPARTMENT TO RUN SAID SOFTWARE AND TO TAKE OVER TIME KEEPING CAPABILITIES THAT NO TRANSITION HAS HAPPENED. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, EVEN IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT, I WOULD BE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF EASING YOUR MIND THAT ON OCTOBER 1ST, CAMI IS NOT IN CHARGE OF PAYROLL. NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH PAYROLL. ON OCTOBER 1ST. WE ARE JUST PROCESSING. WE'RE FUNDING A TRANSITION, AND I WOULD. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS TIMEKEEPING FUNCTION IS NEW NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES, THIS UKAJI. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING HR TO DO IS THE TIMEKEEPING FUNCTION OF THE NEW SOFTWARE. AND SO THERE ARE THERE ARE STILL SOME CONSTITUTIONAL THINGS THAT THE TREASURER HAS TO DO WITH PAYROLL TO BE FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED AND DONE PROPERLY, THAT WON'T CHANGE.

CORRECT. SO THEY STILL IT'S NOT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF POSITIONING THIS AS LIKE WE'RE RIPPING IT OUT OF THERE COMPLETELY AND IT'S ALL GOING OVER HERE AND EVERYTHING IS THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. IT'S IT'S STILL GOING TO GO FROM THE TIMEKEEPING SOFTWARE AND THE REPORT BEING GENERATED TO THEM BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO GO TO. NET DATA TO DO EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE COURT AND GET APPROVAL. SO IT IS ADDING ANOTHER LAYER TO THE PROCESS, POTENTIALLY, BUT IT IS NOT TAKING IT AWAY FROM THE TREASURER. WE'RE KIND OF THE TIMEKEEPING DUTY OF IT. YES, BECAUSE IT'S A NEW SOFTWARE AND WE BELIEVE IT FITS BETTER OVER THERE. THREE OF US DO ANYWAY. THE PROCESS OF IT BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND PUT INTO NET DATA STILL OVER HERE AT THE TREASURER, AND THAT'S HOW MOST COUNTIES DO IT. WHEN THEY DIVIDE THE WORK TO HR, BECAUSE THE TREASURER STILL HAS TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE. AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE GOING. WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S THE WAY MOST COUNTIES BECAUSE THE REPORT THAT CAMI GAVE US ONLY HAD 23 COUNTIES THAT WERE. NO, NO, NO, I SAID MOST COUNTIES THAT USE HR. WELL, THAT REPORT SHE GAVE US, I DIDN'T SAY MOST COUNTIES USE HR. MOST OF THE COUNTIES THAT USE HR, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT THEY USE. OKAY. WHAT BOBBY JUST DESCRIBED. OKAY. BUT IT'S IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE, GUYS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE ANY FURTHER MOTIONS BE MADE, NEED TO BE MADE. AND I'M NOT A FAN OF UNNECESSARY MOTIONS, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE.

AND SHE'S GOT TO LEARN IT. AND AS EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT AGREES, WE CAN'T SCREW UP A SINGLE PAYROLL, NOT ONE. SO WE'VE FUNDED BUT NOT PURCHASED. WE'VE SAID IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COURT. SO WHATEVER THAT TRANSITION PLAN IS, WHOEVER'S GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT IN IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ME, SINCE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.

WHOEVER'S GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BRING A PLAN. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'LL BE DONE IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS, AND WE DON'T MESS UP ANYBODY'S PAYROLL EVEN ONCE. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, EXCUSE ME. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TURN TO PAGE 60 OF YOUR SECOND DRAFT OF THE BUDGET, THE FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS ASKED FOR A FIELD INSPECTION TABLET THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO HIS CAPITAL OUTLAY. RIGHT NOW, HIS CAPITAL OUTLAY HAS $85,000 FOR A TRUCK, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY REQUIRED FOR HIM TO DO HIS DUTIES. I WANT TO ADD $1,500 TO THAT, MAKING THE

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THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY. LOOKING AT MY LIST, WE HAVE NOT, UNLESS I MISSED IT, COME TO A CONCLUSION OR A VOTE ON THE CONTINGENCY. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET OUR CONTINGENCY AT $600,000. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW, PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO WE'VE HANDLED CONTINGENCY. WE'VE HANDLED INSURANCE. WE'VE HANDLED PAYROLL. NOW IT'S JUST THE RESERVE AND THE RATE, UNLESS I'VE MISSED SOMETHING. SO. NO, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE. BUT I THINK MELISSA AND LISA THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE JUDGE'S RATE OR LIKE ALMOST RIGHT ON THE JUDGE'S RATE. YEAH, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY, MAN. SO IF WE WOULD HAVE JUST ADOPTED WHAT I HANDED YOU, WE WE WOULD HAVE.

YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG. YEAH. WE JUST WITNESSED. OH, WE WASTED MONEY. WE WASTED A MONTH.

WE DIDN'T WASTE A MONTH. WE IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MONTH. IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MONTH. SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BUYING THAT RATE DOWN. SO. WHERE DOES THAT GET THE RATE IF WE GO TO FIVE MONTHS AND WHERE DOES IT GET THE RATE IF WE GO TO FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS BECAUSE I'M I'M HEARING A COUPLE DIFFERENT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SUGGESTING ABOVE FIVE. WHEN YOU'RE SAYING BUYING THE RATE DOWN, DOES THAT MEAN YOU WOULD BE USING IT? YOU'D BE USING FUND BALANCE FOR ONGOING EVERYDAY EXPENSES? NO, IT MEANS THAT WE WOULD FIND CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE $2 MILLION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE IFFY AND SPOTTY, BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK. AND I'M TRYING TO PUT I SHOULDN'T PUT WORDS IN FRANK NEWS MOUTH, BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS SAY, HOW MUCH OF THE FUND BALANCE IS THIS COURT COMFORTABLE USING BEFORE WE START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON HOW.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO ALLOCATE THE MONEY? IT JUST IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PREFERENCE. ARE WE COMFORTABLE GOING DOWN A FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS? HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE ON THE TABLE IF WE WENT TO FIVE? AND THEN THE SECOND DISCUSSION IS HOW WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO IT? SO WE COULD HAVE EITHER DISCUSSION FIRST. BUT COULD I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? HAVE WE NOW ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE NUMBERS WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW? HAVE WE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL THE MONEY THAT WILL BE LEFT OVER FROM FISCAL YEAR 26? ALL OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO TYLER. I MEAN, AND IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY MINOR AMOUNTS OF MONEY FROM WHAT LISA AND I CAN DETERMINE. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS. RIGHT. AND IF YOU RECALL, WE DID THE JUVENILE CAME FORWARD AND SAID THAT THEY COULD BE UPSIDE DOWN. MAYBE NOT. I MEAN, I I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THEIR NUMBERS. THEY MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE ANY MONIES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO,

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SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE BECAUSE WE ALSO COLLECT AT 98% COLLECTION RATE. AND WE AND WE BRING IN 101, SOMETIMES PERCENT COLLECTION RATE. SO. I CAN'T TELL YOU IN ALL CERTAINTY THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE MONIES LEFT OVER. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER THAT I CAN BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU AND SAY, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH. WHAT IF WE PUT SOME MORE INTO INSURANCE TRUST FUND OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, WE COULD UTILIZE IT INSTEAD OF SENDING IT STRAIGHT TO FUND BALANCE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS GOING TO BE BASED UPON WHERE WE USING ALL THAT MONEY THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM FISCAL YEAR 26, WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE BASICALLY IT IS WE'RE USING 1.1 FOR SURE. AND THEN AND THEN WE HAVE THE JUVENILE PROBATION AND INDIGENT HEALTH KIND OF OUT THERE AND THEN SHORING UP A FEW OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE BUDGET. SO I'M, I'M AS CAVALIER AS IT GETS FOR RATING THE F Y. AND I THINK I TOOK LISA AND I TO THE BRINK THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. RIGHT. AND SHE HAS BEEN PROGRAMED TO KNOW HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. AND I FEEL LIKE SHE HAS KEPT IT FROM FROM WHAT I COULD SEE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS. OKAY, GREAT. AND THAT'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE DAY THAT YOU ADOPT YOUR BUDGET ON THE EIGHTH THAT SO THAT I FELT LIKE THAT WAS A NECESSARY NECESSITY SINCE THIS BUDGET IS BASED ON YOU TAKING FUNDS FROM 26 TO SUPPORT PAYMENTS IN 27, THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE IT DONE ON THE SAME DAY. AND SO, LISA, THAT IS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THEN HAVE GOTTEN GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND THEY'VE GIVEN YOU ANY AMOUNTS THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I SAW AN EMAIL FROM YOU GUYS OR ANYONE THAT HAS ANY ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS THAT THEY HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T ENCUMBERED, THEY'VE, THEY'VE MADE YOU AWARE OF ALL THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S TRY THIS. LET'S, LET'S SIMPLIFY AS I AM PRONE TO DO. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE THE FUND BALANCE DOWN TO FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS. COULD WE SEE THE SLIDE JOHN PUT IT UP EARLIER AND IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THAT SLIDE HE DID THERE. YEAH. THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT UP ON THE ON THE BIG SCREEN YET. THERE WE GO. SO YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE. I TRIED TO MAKE IT TO THAT IS $6 MILLION. WE'RE SPENDING TWO. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION. AND I'M USING VERY ROUND NUMBERS.

SO SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE DA'S OFFICE, THE INSURANCE AND AND THE DISTRICT, THE THE DISTRICT COURTS TECHNOLOGY. SO I'M SAYING WE SPENT ABOUT 2 MILLION OF THAT 6 MILLION ALREADY IS MY ONLY POINT. SO IT'S GIVING US 4 MILLION. I'M JUST TRYING TO. SO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY. SO WHEN IT SAYS FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, IT GIVES US 6 MILLION.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO SPEND. WE'VE ALREADY SEQUESTERED AND I WAS GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY. BUT THEN I REALLY WANTED THE INSURANCE AND THE COURT HADN'T VOTED ON THE INSURANCE. AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD A SLIDE BASED UPON WHAT I WANTED TO HAPPEN. I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE THE MATH. SO IT FREES UP $4 MILLION IS THE POINT. THIS VOTE WOULD GIVE US $4 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE TO APPLY TO THIS BUDGET. MY CONCERN WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE $4 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF WE CAN APPLY TO THE BUDGET, MORE SO THAN JUST BUYING DOWN THE RATE? SO I'M JUST I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'LL GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE. IT WOULD PUT THE RESERVE, THE FOUR AND A HALF MONTH RESERVES, ABOUT 24 MILLION.

WELL AND GUYS, THE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE FIDDLING AROUND HERE WITH WITH SOMETHING THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE DONE IN MY OPINION. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THE COURT, BUT WE HAVE NEVER USED IT FOR ONGOING EXPENSES. I WOULD PREFER THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO

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AND LISA, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN OKAY. REFRESH MY MEMORY ON WHAT YOU THINK. OUR POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN. THE THE POLICY ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE HAS HAS BEEN 4 TO 6 MONTHS. THAT IS A TRUE STATEMENT. AND AND OF COURSE, AS YOUR BUDGET HAS GROWN, THE THE FUND BALANCE HAS GROWN RIGHT ALONG WITH IT. AND WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF TEETERED IN THE SIX MONTH RANGE. OUR BOND RATING IS REFLECTED. WE HAVE A TRIPLE A BOND RATING.

AND THAT'S THE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY SAY IS THAT WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL FUND BALANCE THAT CAN SUPPORT OUR BUDGET. AND I, I THINK THE POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO USE IT FOR ONE TIME, THINGS LIKE WHEN WE BUILT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, THE COURT AT THAT TIME BUDGETED ABOUT $5 MILLION FROM FUND BALANCE TO TO BUILD THE COURTHOUSE. THE DA EXPANSION. THAT'S THAT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT KIND OF ONE TIME THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING IT JUST TO LOWER YOUR TAX RATE TO SUPPORT SALARIES THAT ARE AN ONGOING THAT IS NOT A ONE TIME. OKAY. I, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE RESERVE POLICY IN FRONT OF ME. THAT'S KIND OF A TREASURER'S OFFICE.

IT JUST SAYS 4 TO 6 MONTHS. I MEAN, THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN A 4 TO 6 MONTH, BUT IT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR ANNUAL AUDIT, THE FINANCIAL AWARD WE WIN. THEY ALL STATE WHAT WE USE FUND BALANCE FOR AND OUR BOND RATING, THE FINANCIAL RATINGS. THAT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A TRIPLE A BOND RATING, AND IT ALL PLAYS A PART IN HOW STRONG AND CONSERVATIVE AND STABLE ROCKWALL COUNTY IS. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND WE'RE USING A MILLION FOR THE DAS EXPANSION, RIGHT ALREADY. SO THAT'S EASY TO JUSTIFY. OKAY. AND RIGHT NOW, IF WE IF WE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WHERE WE GO ON THE MOTION HERE, OUR FUND BALANCE WOULD BE HOW MANY MONTHS, JUST OVER EVERYTHING WE'VE APPROVED TO RIGHT THIS MINUTE. IT'D BE ABOUT 5.3 MONTHS. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND POINT THREE TAKES US TO WHERE THAT WOULD BE. WHERE DOES THAT LEAD US TO ON A TAX RATE, JOHN. DO YOU KNOW. NO. DO YOU KNOW NOW WE'RE GETTING IN A LOT OF CIRCULAR MATH. BUT WE BUT WE'RE ZONING IN ON THE PROBLEM. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT CIRCULAR MATH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. YES. AND THESE TWO KIND OF WALK HAND IN HAND. THEY CERTAINLY DO. CERTAINLY WE WE HAVE TO MAKE ONE DECISION BEFORE WE CAN MAKE THE NEXT ONE. AND I'M TRYING TO GET US BOTH. YOU DO. YOU DO ONE. ONE LEADS TO THE OTHER. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE JUDGE GETTING US ALL OFF HIGH CENTER AND JUST MAKING US MAKE DECISIONS. AND I DO THINK THAT STRATEGICALLY GETTING US TO A FOUR AND A HALF OR A FOUR MONTH RESERVE DOES NOT SCARE ME AT ALL. IT'S JUST TAKING THE BITE OF THE APPLE.

CAN WE STRATEGICALLY FIND A WAY TO, LIKE, ON PURPOSE, SPIN DOWN TO FIVE MONTHS AND THEN THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND THEN TRY TO SPIN DOWN THE NEXT BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IF HERE, IF

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TODAY SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. I NEED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. I'M NOT AGAINST SPENDING THE FUND BALANCE. I'M NOT AGAINST GETTING THE RATE DOWN. I JUST NEED MORE OF A PLAN. IT FEELS SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY TO ME AS IT'S BEING PRESENTED, BUT I'M ALL ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A GOOD USE OF SPENDING THIS FUND BALANCE DOWN, NOT TO RAISE TAXES ANY MORE THAN WE EVER HAVE TO. AND THAT'S MY REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, I'M THE FIRST ONE WHO TALKED ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MONTH RESERVE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE LISA'S COMING FROM. I GET IT, SHE'S BEEN HERE MUCH LONGER THAN ME, SO I RESPECT HER OPINION. BUT I LOOK AT IT TOO, AS, AS THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WE'RE HOLDING ON TO. AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT OF YES, WE'RE, WE'RE USING IT FOR EVERYDAY EXPENSES. I ALSO LOOK AT IT AS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE RETURNING IT TO THE TAXPAYER AND IS, IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING HERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING. I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE DID FOUR AND A HALF MONTH, WHAT TAX RATE DOES THAT PUT US AT RIGHT NOW? AND WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT ON A $500,000 HOUSE IN ROCKWALL? BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

AND THEN IF WE LEFT IT AT FIVE MONTHS, WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN DOLLARS, BOTH FOR US AND THE TAXPAYER? ANY QUESTION. AND I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED PAST THE SMOKE. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO GIVE THE AUDITOR COMFORT LEVEL TO TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS UNLESS THEY'RE COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THEM AND WE'RE UP AGAINST LUNCH. SO DO WE WANT TO I'M OKAY WITH TAKING A BREAK IF WE NEED TO. I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY UNDUE PRESSURE AT ALL. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK OUT OF THIS LUNCH. WE GOT SO MANY THINGS YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT FOR US. WOULD YOU CONTACT OUR BOND PEOPLE AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FOUR AND A HALF MONTH AND A FIVE MONTH, AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED, IN A BOND RATING? BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE GOT TO CONSIDER. AND IF WE IF OUR POLICY IS 4 TO 6 MONTHS, MY THOUGHT IS THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. BUT IF IF THERE IS AND, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON WHAT YOU SAID, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND RATHER THAN JUST SAY THEN, THEN SAY, WELL, THEY ALWAYS LOOK AT IT. I'M SURE THEY ALWAYS LOOK AT IT, BUT WHAT DO THEY LOOK AT? AND DO THEY CARE IF IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS OR FIVE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS? AND YOU'RE MEANING IF IT CHANGES FROM THE TRIPLE A RATING THAT YOU REFERRED TO, WELL, WILL IT IMPACT OUR BOND RATING AND OUR ABILITY TO ISSUE BONDS? AND AND SO THE OTHER THING IS, TO YOUR POINT, JOHN, IS SORRY. THE OTHER THING TO YOUR POINT IS LET'S THINK ABOUT WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON. VALID, VALID. SO THOSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THEY TAKE INTO THEIR CALCULATION IS OUR CITIZENS ABILITY TO REPAY, WHICH IS HOW MUCH ARE THEY BEING TAXED. SO LOWERING THE TAX RATE INCREASES THEIR ABILITY TO PAY. SO IT IS A IT IS A BALANCING ACT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO I DON'T KNOW. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ASK THEM. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANYTHING OTHER THAN IF YOU'RE STAYING INSIDE YOUR POLICY, THEN THEN YOU'RE FINE, BUT HAPPY TO HAVE. NO. BUT IF YOU ARE, I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE ME THAT LADY'S NUMBER.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO CALL HER MARTY. MARTY HSU. I'LL BE HAPPY. SHE'S NOT OUR BOND RATING PERSON.

SHE'S YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. I'LL TRY TO CALL, BUT WE'RE NOT CALLING MOODY'S TODAY. YEAH, YEAH, WE DON'T USE MOODY'S. BUT YEAH. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO LOOK UP TO SEE WHETHER I CAN READ TO YOU WHAT STANDARD AND POOR WROTE. I'LL SEE IF I CAN BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE IT ON OUR WEBSITE. OKAY. SO I, I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION BECAUSE I'VE EFFECTIVELY GOT US OFF HIGH CENTER WITH. YEP. WELL AND HEADING HEADING DOWN THE HILL TO, TO A DECISION. AND IT IS 1145 RIGHT NOW. SO I'M LOOKING AT MELISSA. AND LAUREN'S GOING TO ROTARY. SO IF WE TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AND COME BACK AT 130, CAN WE HAVE ANSWERS TO THE TO THE QUESTIONS? AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE THE QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY

[02:15:09]

YES, I AM DONE. AND IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T BROUGHT THEM TO ME, IT'S Y'ALL'S FAULT. AT 1144, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH RECO OUR SPECIAL MEETING. IT IS. OOPS. FORGIVE ME. IT IS 130. WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM THREE A DISCUSS AND ACT ON THE PROPOSED FY 2027 SECOND DRAFT BUDGET AND ALL RELATED ISSUES. COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THIS DOWN TO A RATE AND A RESERVE, AS IS THE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. I BELIEVE ALL OTHER DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

SO MISS MELISSA AND LISA WORKED THROUGH LUNCH AND CAME UP WITH. LISA IS DEFERRING ALL, ALL.

KUDOS TO MELISSA. SO WE HAVE ON THE WHITEBOARD IN FRONT OF US, WHICH MAKES ME HAPPY THAT WE'RE USING. IF WE KEEP OUR RESERVE AT FIVE MONTHS, IT WILL ADD $2 MILLION AND THAT WILL TAKE OUR RATE TO 0.2660 TO GO TO FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS. IT ADDS 4 MILLION AND TAKES THE RATE TO TWO FIVE, SIX ZERO. AND THAT'S UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S YOU'RE ALREADY USING 2 MILLION. SO CORRECT. THE STUFF WE'VE ALLOCATED IS ALREADY ALLOCATED. IT'S STAYING ALLOCATED. AND IF WE DROP TO FOUR MONTHS IT WOULD ADD 6 MILLION TO THE FUND BALANCE AND DROP THE RATE TO 0.2470. SO AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THESE ARE STEPS, BUT THERE ARE NUMBERS IN BETWEEN THESE NUMBERS. NO YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE'S ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT OVER LUNCH. AND THERE'S ONE THING TO BUY THE RATE DOWN. THERE'S THE OTHER THING TO BRING THE RESERVE DOWN. SO SO SO I'M SAYING THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE DENIED. JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S $200,000 AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE THAT BRIAN ASKED FOR.

HE SAID IT'S GOING TO NEED AND IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE HE SAID IT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SPEND IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT STUFF LIKE THAT AND, AND LOOK AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HIT A RATE OF 0.2660 BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST ONE UP THERE.

AND THEN WE COULD POTENTIALLY SPEND SOME OF OUR RESERVE WITH KNOWN FUTURE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES RATHER THAN BUYING THE RATE ALL THE WAY DOWN. I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, THAT SPENDING THE RESERVE MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY THE RATE DOWN.

THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY ONLY POINT. AND, AND SO I JUST THINK THAT ALSO NEEDS TO JUST KIND OF BE THROWN INTO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE BUYING FUTURE RATES DOWN BY SAYING, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET $200,000 FOR IT AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, THEN WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THESE THINGS. WE WE KNOW WE MIGHT NEED, WE MIGHT PUT SOME OF THIS MONEY INTO A FACILITIES FUND OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE COULD LOOK AT STUFF LIKE THAT RATHER THAN JUST SPEND IT ON, ON THE CURRENT BUDGET AND STILL GET US DOWN TO A MUCH LOWER RESERVE. YEAH. WE HAVE. WE, WE, WE, THERE WAS A, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE WAS A FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT FUND. I LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD SPOT BECAUSE WE CAN DO SOME GOOD THINGS AND WE CAN KEEP OUR TAX RATE LOWER THAN WE THOUGHT WE COULD. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT I AM ALSO A PERSON WHO LIKES TO PLAN. AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE BUILDING A RESERVE FOR, THAT WILL BE COMING UP. I'M NOT I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT. I JUST THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF PEOPLE'S MONEY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS RESERVE IS THEIR MONEY, IT'S NOT OUR MONEY.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO PUTTING IT TO WORK CAN BE DONE IN, IN A MULTIPLE MULTIPLES OF WAYS IS MY ONLY POINT. AND WE'RE STILL SPENDING IT AND WE'RE STILL PUTTING IT TO WORK AND STILL KEEPING A VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE RESERVE IN EVERY SCENARIO THAT'S UP HERE. SO 2 MILLION FUND BALANCE, 4 MILLION FUND BALANCE, WHAT IS THAT 2 MILLION, 4 MILLION MEAN? THAT'S HOW MUCH IS GOING INTO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE THAT WE CAN SPEND TO GET TO FIVE. OKAY. SO LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME REAL CAPITAL

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I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THINGS TO DO. AND THERE'S ALL WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS.

HITTING AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. AND I DON'T MEAN ARBITRARY. I MEAN, OKAY, FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS. I DON'T MEAN TO BELITTLE IT, BUT THAT IS JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. WE SAID, HERE'S A LINE IN THE SAND. WE WANT TO HIT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS. THAT DOESN'T GET US TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. IT SPENDS AN ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE, WHICH DOES NOT SCARE ME AT ALL, SPENDING THE $4 MILLION. BUT WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE $4 MILLION? AND THEN ARE WE GETTING A RATE COMPRESSION? NOT BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING GROWS EXPONENTIALLY WHEN WE START GIVING RAISES, WHEN WE START DOING MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AT SOME POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT JUST AS AS US, IF WE BUY THIS DOWN TOO MUCH, THEN WE COULD HAVING TO GO BACK UP TO, TO, TO WHAT IT WAS. NOW, TO BE FAIR, WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT THIS YEAR WITH THE DEBT, AND WE DIDN'T BECAUSE WE WORKED REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HARD TO NOT GO BACK TO THE INCREMENTAL RATE. BUT OUR VOTER APPROVED RATE CAPTURED $1 MILLION OF TAX THAT WE DIDN'T PASS, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RECAPTURE. SO I'M ALL ABOUT LEAVING TAX DOLLARS ON THE TABLE, KEEPING OUR RATE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. I JUST, IN MY MIND, SPENDING THE RESERVE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'RE BUYING A RATE. WE COULD FIND ANOTHER USE OF THAT MONEY, WHICH WOULD REALLY LEVERAGE US IN THE FUTURE TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM THE TAXPAYERS. NOW, WHAT THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW. I'VE HAD 30 MINUTES TO THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST IN MY MIND. WHEN I WAS SITTING AND EATING, I JUST REALIZED I SPENDING $6 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE DOES NOT SCARE ME AT ALL. WE HAVE MONEY. WE WILL BE FINE. BUT IS BUYING THE RATE THE BEST USE OF THAT $6 MILLION? THAT'S WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH. IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO PUT $6 MILLION IN A FACILITIES FUND. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO DO THAT AND THEN START SPENDING SOME OF THAT MONEY ON KNOWN CAPITAL EXPENSES. BUT THEN WE WOULD STILL BE RAISING TAXES. SO THAT'S HARD TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE THE MONEY THAT THAT THAT IS HARD TO DO. COMMISSIONER, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO IS WRITE SOME THINGS DOWN TO TELL YOU I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT.

HOW MANY OF US ON THIS COURT, ALL OF EVERYBODY LISTENING, PROBABLY OF KIND OF HOW WE LOOK AT IN OUR OWN PERSONAL FINANCES, RAINY DAY FUNDS OR EMERGENCY FUNDS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW YOU TARGET HOW, HOW MUCH OF A TIME PERIOD YOU TARGET FOR BECAUSE YOU SAID WE DON'T.

COMMISSIONER STACY, YOU SAID WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I'M SURE IF WE HAD HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE COULD PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR BEYOND THAT, AND WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT THOSE KIND OF ASKS AND THOSE EMERGENCIES, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE COME UPON US, THIS BEING OUR FOURTH YEAR ON THE COURT WHERE WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, AND WE'VE BEEN IN A GOOD POSITION WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF DECISIONS. SO I'M I'M KIND OF LEANING, OKAY, IT'S OKAY. I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARD THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WE, WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL HERE AND THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TRANSITION IN A REAL POSITIVE WAY. SO WE SET OURSELVES UP TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE. OKAY. AND WE AND WE HAVE SOME BUFFERS. AND I WANT TO HAVE BUFFERS, WHETHER IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS TO FIVE MONTHS, I'M NOT I'M STILL ON THE FENCE ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR AUDITOR HAS MISS MARTY HSU. OH. OH, OKAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED. NO, YOU. I COULD TELL YOU WERE GETTING TO THE END. SO, MARTY, I'VE GOT YOU ON.

I'VE GOT HER ON MY SPEAKER, AND I'VE HOOKED YOU UP TO THE MICROPHONE. SO IF THE COURT WANTS TO ASK HER SOME QUESTIONS, SHE'S AVAILABLE. HELLO, EVERYONE. HELLO, MARTY HSU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US DIGITALLY. SO AND FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING. MARTY HSU IS FROM HILLTOP SECURITIES AND SHE'S ROCKWELL COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR. MARTY, THIS

[02:25:02]

BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BASED ON WHAT I'M GUESSING IN TERMS OF WHAT PER MONTH THAT WOULD EQUATE TO, RIGHT? THE RATING AGENCIES, HOWEVER, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. SO WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE, OR WHAT WOULD BE PERCEIVED AS A RED FLAG FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS IF YOU ARE UTILIZING FUND BALANCE FOR ANYTHING AT OUTSIDE OF A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, WHICH WOULD PUT POTENTIAL OPERATING PRESSURE ON YOU MOVING FORWARD OR FUTURE BUDGETS WHERE YOU MAY NEED TO CONTINUE TO DRAW DOWN THE FUND BALANCE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NOW THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND PERCENTAGES AND OBVIOUSLY FOUR MONTHS WOULD BE A 33% AND SIX MONTHS WOULD BE 50%. SO WE'RE IN THAT OPERATING IN THAT RANGE.

YEAH. BUT YEAH, SO, BUT EARMARKING IT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS, IS, WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE A PROBLEM. AND THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH SHOULD WE USE FOR NON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT INFLUENCE THEM. RIGHT. CORRECT. CORRECT. IF YOU'RE USING A SIZABLE AMOUNT OFTEN THEY'LL ALSO WANT TO SEE A PLAN FOR HOW YOU INTEND TO REBUILD IT. THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PENALIZE YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT FOR A ONE TIME LARGE USE FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. BUT THEY IF IT'S A IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING SIZABLE, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY A PLAN MOVING FORWARD TO REBUILD THAT FUND BALANCE. THEY LOVE FUND BALANCE. YOU HAVE ENOUGH SIZE AND GROWTH. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS TELL CLIENTS THAT I BELIEVE THE RATINGS BOIL DOWN TO TWO THINGS WEALTH AND VALUE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND. YOUR ASSESSED VALUE, YOU KNOW HOW BIG YOU ARE. AND THEN YOUR FUND BALANCE, LIKE THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN FACTORS. THE RATING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ME AND TELL ME THAT THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT FACTORS. BUT IN MY TENURE OF DOING THIS, I THINK THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TWO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FORTUNATE IN THAT YOU HAVE YOU'RE IN A VERY GOOD WEALTH POSITION AND YOU HAVE A LARGE FUND BALANCE. SO YOU'VE GOT BOTH THINGS WORKING IN YOUR FAVOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARTY? THANK YOU, MARTY HSU, WE APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, DID YOU FINISH YOUR I THINK I DID, AND THEN SHE SHE JUST REALLY POINTED OUT SOME VERY GOOD THINGS TOO. THAT REALLY HELPED HELPED ME DECIDE IN WHAT MONTH AS FAR AS WHERE WE NEED TO BE, WHERE WE COULD BE COMMISSIONER DELANO. BUT I MEAN, I TOOK WHAT SHE SAID, MAYBE AS I THINK WE'RE FINE ANYWHERE ON THE BOARD, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T TAKE IT AS WE NEED TO AS IT IT SENT ME TO THE TOP NUMBER. I TOOK IT AS WE'RE IN

[02:30:01]

AND SO I, I STILL AM. I STILL FAVOR THE MOST AGGRESSIVE MOVE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE TAXPAYER. BUT I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO OTHER OPINIONS AND WHAT CAPITAL PROJECTS WE THINK WE'RE TAKING THIS MONEY TO. GREAT. LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION JUST FOR DISCUSSION, NOT A MOTION. WHAT IF WE WE'RE AT FIVE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE'RE AT IS ABOUT 5.3 MONTHS, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S A ROUGHLY FUND BALANCE BECAUSE 2 MILLION GETS YOU DOWN. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO IF WE WENT TO A FIVE MONTH FUND BALANCE AND THEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 4 AND A HALF, WE PUT INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND THAT WAS REALLY GOING TO BE USED FOR THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AS THEY COME UP, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE, THE THE GUY YELLING WOLF EITHER. BUT I KNOW AT HOME I GET REALLY NERVOUS WHEN I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO PAY.

WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, MY AIR CONDITIONER GOES OUT. SO BY RETAINING WALL, MY WHEN MY SEA WALL COLLAPSED, THAT WAS NOT A HAPPY DAY. SO. BUT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS I THINK WE'RE AT LIKE 5.3. SO MAYBE WE GO TO FIVE AND THEN TAKE SOMETHING BETWEEN THAT AND FOUR AND A HALF AND PUT INTO A, A A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. I THINK JOHN IDENTIFIED THAT AS ON PAGE 96. IS THAT RIGHT, JOHN. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FUN. 202 WE COULD LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SHE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER SPOT TO PUT IT. BUT YEAH, WELL, JUST, JUST AGAIN, JUST NO, NOT A MOTION JUST FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH. BUT ISN'T THAT JUST EXTRA MONEY YOU'RE TAKING AND, AND CAUSE YOU'RE TAKING IN EXTRA, BUT YOU'RE SPENDING IT EXTRA.

SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE EARMARKING IT THOUGH FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND SO WE KNOW THAT OVER THIS NEXT YEAR, RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE IF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS CAME UP AND WE COULD SPEND IT ON IT WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THAT, THAT MUCH MONEY.

BUT, BUT YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXTRA, YOU'RE GOING TO, LET'S SAY $1 MILLION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $1 MILLION REVENUE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE $1 MILLION TRANSFERRED TO YOUR FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT DOESN'T DOESN'T IMPACT YOUR TAX RATE AT ALL. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE. NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'RE AT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS WE WERE OVER FIVE MONTHS AT THE WHICH IS THE LATE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WHICH I THOUGHT WAS THE 262. OH RIGHT NOW THE RATE RIGHT NOW IS 0.280. WELL YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T VOTED IT. NO. BUT I THINK I THOUGHT WITH ALL THE THINGS WE DONE IT WOULD BRING US TO I THINK IT'S TO JOHN STACY ARBITRARY RATE OF. NO I THINK IT'S TWO SEVEN. RIGHT. IT'S THE IT'S WE'RE AT THE NEW RATE, THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET UNTIL WE DO ANYTHING. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THEN I'M CONFUSED AND I'M CONFUSED OF WHAT NUMBERS WERE THROWN AROUND THIS MORNING. NO, NO, NO, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. LISA. YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT. SO WHAT LAUREN'S SAYING IS HE'S LOOKING AT THIS BOARD SAYING IF WE GET TO FIVE MONTHS, WE SPEND $2 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE AND WE GET A RATE OF 0.2660 THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE, BASICALLY. AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH BUYING THE RATE OF 0.2660. AND HOWEVER WE LOOK AT IT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CALL IT THAT FOR THE SAKE OF OUR DISCUSSION. THEN IN AN EFFORT TO NOT HAVE TOO MUCH FUND BALANCE, TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, AND THAT IS MOVE MONEY AROUND, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING, WHICH YOU ARE ALSO CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. SO INSTEAD OF BUYING IT DOWN TO TWO, FIVE, SIX ZERO, WE BUY IT TO THE TWO, SIX, SIX ZERO. THEN WE TAKE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND STICK IT INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY, WHICH THEN DOESN'T MOVE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN. BUT WE BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SITTING IN RESERVES. WE HAVE THE MONEY SITTING IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. I'M NOT SAYING THE COURT PREPARED TO DO THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT, JOHN. YEAH. AND SO THEN MY QUESTION, THAT MONEY WOULD BE EARMARKED JUST

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WELL, MAYBE WE CAN DO THE. MAYBE WE CAN GET THE NEW CHILLER OUT OF THE LOAN, WHICH I HOPE WE CAN, FRANKLY. AND MAYBE WE CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS. BUT WE KNOW THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE OUR FACILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE COULD BUY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BOBBY KNOWS MORE OF THE FLEET FUND THAN ME, BUT THOSE ARE CAPITAL PURCHASES. BUT I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M CHALLENGING WHAT BOBBY SAID.

I'M NOT CHALLENGING WHAT YOU SAID, LAUREN. I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD LOVE TO GET SUPER AGGRESSIVE. AND SO SHOW ME HOW YOU THINK WE CAN DO THAT SO THAT I CAN EITHER JOIN YOU OR REJECT IT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT I JUST CAN'T ENVISION IT. BUT MY POINT WAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT. OKAY. I, I WANT TO GO THERE. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE IF THAT'S THE PARAMETERS WE'RE GOING TO PUT AROUND IT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS AGAIN. YEAH. IT'S NOT IT WASN'T A DO OR DIE WE HAVE TO DO. WE HAVE TO HAVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO DO IT.

BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. SO I DON'T MAYBE THE CONVERSATION IS WE NEED TO FIND HOW MANY WHAT WE HAVE IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN USE SOME OF THIS MONEY FOR, BUT IT'S NOT 6 MILLION. YEAH, IT IS NOT 6 MILLION. I GUESS I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I LOOK AT IT AS, WHAT CAN I DO TO KEEP THE MONEY IN THE CITIZEN'S POCKET? JUST, JUST. AND THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT, AND THE EASIEST WAY, IN MY OPINION, IS REDUCE THE RATE THAT AUTOMATICALLY LETS THEM KEEP IT.

OKAY, WHAT'S COMING OUT? IF WE REDUCE THE RATE, THE FUND BALANCE IS WHAT WE'RE REDUCING WHEN WE TAKE THE RATE DOWN. AND IF OUR IF OUR THOUGHT PROCESS THEN IS WE'RE GOING TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, A FOUR AND A HALF MONTH FUND BALANCE, THEN I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH LONG TERM IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO WE DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT TO RIDE A ROLLER COASTER NEXT YEAR OF SAYING, WE'RE IN, WE'VE DONE WE'VE DONE SOMETHING CRAZY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM ON A ROLLER COASTER RIDE BACK UP SOMEWHERE. IF WE CAN LIVE WITH IT LONG TERM, THEN I'M OKAY GOING THERE. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I WOULD GO THERE. BUT WHAT EVERYBODY IS WHAT I FEEL LIKE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS WE WANT IT TO GO TOWARDS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. WELL, IF THAT'S THE IF THAT'S THE FEELING BESIDES THE JUDGE AND I, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THEM. THAT'S NOT THE PATH WE'RE GOING TO GO. BUT IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS A MORE PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH OF LOWERING FUND BALANCE AND KEEPING IT LOWERED GOING FORWARD, THEN WE CAN JUST LOWER IT BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING WE CARRY TOO MANY MONTHS IN FUND BALANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO LOWER IT, WHICH IS GOING TO BUY

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LAST YEAR, IF MY MEMORY IS RIGHT, IT GETS TOUGHER ALL THE TIME. BUT IF MY MEMORY IS RIGHT, WE WERE RIGHT AT FIVE MONTHS AND THEN SOMETHING CAME OUT AND WE ENDED UP JUST A HAIR UNDER FIVE MONTHS. CORRECT. SO IF WE'RE AT FIVE MONTHS NOW, WE'RE KIND OF BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. WE'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, OF THAT, LET'S OF THAT, LET'S TAKE SOME MONEY AND PUT IT IN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND. BUT WE'RE KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. AND WE BEAT THIS, BUDGE IT UP AND REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS.

BUT WE'RE KIND OF STAYING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. WE'RE JUST SAYING OF THAT, LET'S TAKE A FURTHER DESIGNATION AND SAY WE WANT TO SPEND SOME OF WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, A MILLION BUCKS, WHATEVER IT MAKE SENSE. I THINK BOBBY AND FRANK ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT'S WILLING TO BUY THE RATE DOWN TO LIKE TWO, FIVE, 6 OR 2 FOUR, SEVEN ZERO. AND THEN JUST GOING WITH IT. I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION. NO, I UNDERSTAND OKAY. BUT AT AT TWO, FIVE, SIX, WE'RE CLEARLY USING USING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO PAY CURRENT EXPENSES. AND AS YOU SAID, AS THOSE NUMBERS INCREASE IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE NEXT YEAR, ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THREE AND A HALF MONTHS FUND BALANCE? THEN WE GOT A REAL PROBLEM. AND SO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, LET'S KIND OF BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID BEFORE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT.

AND ALSO, WE CAN TALK ABOUT FIGURING OUT A BETTER POLICY FOR OURSELVES, WHICH IS IN MY SURPRISE AT THE END. AND I'VE GOT THREE THINGS I AM. I'M EXCITED, I'M EXCITED. BUT TO GET TO THE END, WE HAVE TO LAND ON A RATE TO LAND ON A RATE, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT FUND BALANCE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. I THINK IF WE LAND ON A RATE THAT ANSWERS IT ALL, COMMISSIONER STACY SAID IT ACCURATELY. IF WE ADOPT TWO FIVE, SIX ZERO, $4 MILLION GOES AWAY, GOES OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE AND GOES AWAY. WE WE HAVE IT IN THE FUND BALANCE THAT IT CAN GO AWAY THIS YEAR. WE DO, WE DO. BUT WELL, NEXT YEAR WE'LL MAKE NEXT YEAR'S DECISIONS. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT PUTS US IN, IN A IN DIRE SITUATIONS. WE HAVE 600,000 IN CONTINGENCY. WE'LL HAVE FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS IN RESERVE AND BACK TO THE FACILITIES PLAN. WE HAD, WHAT WAS IT, 600 000 THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO THE FACILITIES PLAN.

WE HAVE $1 MILLION MOVING INTO THE DAS REMODEL. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WELL FUNDED. THE FUND 202 HAS $600,000 FROM THIS BUDGET BEING MOVED INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. FUND BALANCE IS $645,000 IN THIS BUDGET. WE'RE ALREADY TAKING 200,000 OF THAT, AT LEAST FOR THE D A EXPANSION.

WE'RE TAKING 45,000 FOR A COURTROOM ADDITION. I MEAN, WE ARE. BUT MY POINT IS WE'RE ALREADY TAKING FROM THE FUND BALANCE. WE'RE ALREADY COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. AND I'M OKAY WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, BACK TO COMMISSIONER GALANTE'S POINT, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN MOST. AND I DON'T SEE IT AS RECKLESS. I SEE IT AS CALCULATED. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS NO, NO, NO YOU DIDN'T. THAT'S PLEASE DON'T. NO NO NO I DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T SAY IT.

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MY MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO DRIVE THE RATE DOWN. AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID GOVERNING SHOULD BE HARD. AND THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THAT DIFFICULTY IS GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE BROKE. WE SHOULD NOT HOARD THE PEOPLE'S MONEY. WHAT WHAT IS WHERE ARE WE AT IF WE GO WITH THE JOHN STACY ARBITRARY RATE, WHICH ONE? HE HAS MANY. NO, NO, HE. THIS MORNING HE SAID THE JOHN STACY.

HE IDENTIFIED IT SPECIFICALLY AT 0.2620. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT IN BETWEEN 5 AND 4 AND A HALF.

THAT IS THE JOHN STACY ARBITRARY RATE. YOU ARE CORRECT. YES. AND THAT'S BETWEEN FIVE MONTHS AND FOUR AND A HALF. AND WE COULD STILL PUT SOME MONEY IN THAT FUND BALANCE THING. THE THE CAPITAL, MORE MONEY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT NEXT YEAR. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, I WILL IF YOU WILL CHANGE AND GO UP, I WILL CHANGE AND GO DOWN AND WE'LL FINISH THIS THING BY 215. BOBBY'S SMILING. WE DON'T SMILE ANYMORE. I, I'VE BEEN SMILING ON BEHIND THE DAIS, SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. NO, NO, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR TWO SECONDS BECAUSE YOU THREW ME FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOP, BUT I DON'T MIND. NO NO NO NO, I'M FOLLOWING YOU. AND SO THAT. YEAH, THAT IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THE FIVE AND FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, RIGHT ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE. 2662620. HEY MAN, IF WE'RE STRESSING LEASE OUT WE MIGHT BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. I'M TOTALLY KIDDING. LISA. NO. AND AND WE'RE STILL BELOW WHAT THE JUDGE THOUGHT. TO HIS CREDIT, WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEND. WE'VE WE'VE WHITTLED IT DOWN. WE WILL HAVE WHITTLED IT DOWN BY 1.2 $0.05 TO $0.06. SO THAT'S GOOD. WE WILL HAVE COME DOWN FROM WHERE YOU STARTED. WE'LL COME WAY DOWN FROM WHAT WE SAID AS, HEY, LET'S BE SAFE GOAL IN CASE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT, WHICH WAS 2.8. WE'RE COME WAY DOWN FROM THAT. WE'RE BLOWING THROUGH WHAT YOU THOUGHT AND IT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S LIKE 4.75 MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 4.7. AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE I SAY, I'M WILLING TO REDUCE WHAT I THINK IS REASONABLE. IF WE, IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO INCREASE AND WE PUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOUR AND A HALF AND WHEREVER WE LAND INTO THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND, AND I THINK WE NAIL IT, THEN WE'RE LIKE BUILDING A BUFFER FOR THAT. SO YEAH, WE'RE STILL BUILDING A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER. THAT'S WHY I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE I'M, I'M STUMBLING ON THIS ONE. SO YOU HAVE YOU. SO 3.8 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE TO GO TO THAT 2620.

THAT'S ON TOP OF THE 1.9. IS THAT RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE 3.8 ATTACHED TO IN TERMS OF YOUR EXPENSES. THAT QUALIFIES FOR A ONE TIME USE? BECAUSE, BECAUSE JUST MOVING MONEY INTO THE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE NEW MONEY. WE WOULDN'T DO THAT. WELL, NO, IT WOULD COUNT. THAT'S A CAPITAL WILL BE USED FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. IT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE NEW MONEY TO THIS BUDGET. YOU YOU'VE GOT TO FIND SOMETHING IN THIS BUDGET. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY DOWN THE RATE THAT THAT 3.8 MILLION OR WHATEVER, THAT'S IT SHOULD BE IN THE 60 IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE $64 MILLION BUDGET.

I CAN'T DO IT TO 3.8 MILLION. I GET WHAT AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE THAT WE HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THE BEST CASE SCENARIO RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S WHAT IT'S NOT. WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO ATTACH IT. OUR POLICY JUST SAYS 4 TO 6 MONTHS. YOU DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE, BUT WE HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO SOMETHING. BUT BUT IT WASN'T THERE LIKE ALREADY A MILLION THAT'S GOING TO THE DA IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO AN EXPENDITURE. JOHN. YES, YES, YES, I OKAY, SO LET ME LET ME ATTEMPT. SO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE DID WITH THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT. WE, WE GRABBED THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT MONEY AND STUCK IT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF SPEND IT, BUT IT WAS TECHNICALLY GOING TOWARDS

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SO WE HAVE TO SAY IT'S GOING TOWARDS SOMETHING, OR THIS IS THE DIRECTION THIS COURT IS PUTTING ON HER. BUT YOU CAN COMMENT THAT THAT OR I TAKE AWAY THAT REVENUE LINE THAT SAYS OTHER FINANCING FROM FUND BALANCE AND JUST LET YOU HAVE A DEFICIT BUDGET. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S $6 MILLION IN THE RED. THAT'S THE SAME THING AS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YES. I MEAN, I'M JUST MAKING IT LOOK PRETTY BY BALANCING. WELL, CAN'T YOU FIND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS BUDGET? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU DO? WE CAN, BUT YOU'VE ASSIGNED THEM. MOST OF THE BIG, EXPENSIVE ONES HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO SPECIAL FUNDS. WE'VE ATTACHED SPECIAL FUNDS, THIS BUDGET. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH IN HERE. THAT I MEAN, DEFINITELY WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. COMMISSIONER. I'M NOT SAYING ABSOLUTELY NOT. I CAN'T DO. AND WE COULD LOWER INTEREST.

WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO LOWER INTEREST IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING MONEY. I'M JUST JUST A THOUGHT. I MEAN THAT WOULD BALANCE SOME OF IT BACK OUT. WE WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S I MEAN, WE HAVE UNTIL TUESDAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LISA. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? BUT LET'S TAKE IT TO A VOTE AND SEE. AND THIS VOTE WILL BE TO SEE IF WE TELL HER FIGURE IT OUT BY TUESDAY. OH NO, I FOR CAPITAL, YOU MEAN FOR. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RATE. THAT'S WHAT I AM. YEAH, YEAH, BUT I AM. BUT SHE'S SHE'S GOT TO FIGURE OUT. NO SHE SHE SHE SHE WILL NATURALLY FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S HER DEFAULT SETTING. YEAH. WELL I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE THAT WE REDUCE THE RATE TO 0.2620 ON THE TAX RATE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL REGISTER YOUR VOTES NOW PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. SO. SHE'S GONNA FIND WHAT SHE SAID. WE WE WE CAN FIND IT. IT'S A LOT OF LOT OF POCKET CHANGE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUY AND A LOT.

WELL I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS. WE WILL FIND IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S IT'S IT'S IT IS ALL OVER THIS BUDGET. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S MONEY THERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO. WE, WE, WE, WE GOT THERE, WE GOT THE RATE, WE GOT THE RESERVE, WHICH TOOK CARE OF ITSELF. ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON AGENDA ITEM THREE A. SO WE WILL MOVE ON. WE'VE ALREADY DONE AGENDA ITEM FIVE. WE'RE NOT DOING EXECUTIVE SESSION. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER COURT REPORTS. COMMISSIONER GALLINA. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. WELL, YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE TIME AND IT'S IN THE BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO HAVE I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU A REPORT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT, IN MY OPINION. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S LET'S GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. A BUNCH OF YOU GUYS. OKAY. LET'S GO BACK TO JUNE. OKAY, SO HERE'S MY DEAL. I'VE BEEN REALLY FRUSTRATED AT TIMES THIS YEAR BY THINKING THAT WE HAVE MADE DECISIONS, THINGS I'VE PROPOSED, THINGS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE PROPOSED BECAUSE WE THINK THEY'RE GOOD IDEAS. AND WE ALL GOT BACKUP FOR IT. BUT I WANT TO DO BETTER THAN THAT, AND I WANT TO DO IT STARTING NEXT YEAR. SO I YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BUDGET. I'M TALKING. WELL, IT THAT'LL BE PART OF IT. OKAY. HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. AND I WANT TO PRESENT THIS TO THE COURT AT OUR NEXT MEETING OR DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO WITH IT AT THE LATEST, THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER. I WANT US TO FORM A FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE DOMINATED BY

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AWESOME. GOOD. SO THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, A RESOLUTION. YEP. DON'T TURN THAT OFF. YOU PROMISED THREE. THAT WAS ONE. NO, THOSE THREE. I SAID ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE SOLVED WITH MY RECOMMENDATION THREE. ONE RECOMMENDATION SOLVES MULTIPLE PROBLEMS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. EVERY EVERY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THOUGH THAT I SAID, HEY, WE'LL SOLVE IT THEN IS RELATED TO FINANCE ISSUES AND THINGS WE GOT TO LOOK AT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BOBBY'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE FLEET COMMITTEE. I JUST THINK WE WOULD DO BETTER IF WE HAD SOME OTHER ANALYSIS AND ANALYTICS FROM PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP US. I AGREE, I LIKE IT. I'M GOING TO TIE IT BACK UP TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE ONE OF MY GOALS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS ON MY GOAL THAT ARE GOING TO BE LARGE CAPITAL DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED. SO, AND IT WASN'T ANYTHING UNTIL THE TEN PLUS YEARS. SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, BUT BUT DOING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTS IT IN THE THE QUEUE SO IT CAN BEGIN TO BE LOOKED AT AND, AND TYING IT, TYING IT TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT, IT HELPS US SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO BE GET IN, GET INPUT FROM OUR CITIZENS AND GET INPUT FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN HELP US MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND BE REALLY OPEN WITH THEM. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

[8) COMMISSIONERS COURT REPORTS:]

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CAMMY, TOO FOR ALL YOUR WORK. THANK THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT FOR ALL OF THEIR WORK WITH FIGURES. WE REALLY PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON ALL OF YOU DURING THIS TIME. AND YOU GUYS RESPOND EVERY TIME, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THE COMMISSIONERS ALSO. THIS HAS BEEN ANOTHER GREAT BUDGET CYCLE. IT HASN'T BEEN EASY AT ALL. AND YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EVERY BUDGET, AT LEAST THE LAST ONE, WHEN WE GOT CLOSE TO CLOSING IT OUT, I STILL FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WISH THERE WAS MORE WE COULD DO SOMETIMES. AND WE'RE JUST WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND IT DOESN'T LEAVE YOU WITH A WONDERFUL FEELING WHEN YOU FINISH IT ALL THE TIME. BUT I THOUGHT WE DID GREAT WORK. GREAT COMMISSIONER, I SUPPORT THAT. THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL GETTING COPIES OF THE CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES AND THEY'RE THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES IN TEXAS AND VARIOUS ACCOLADES AND OR CHALLENGES THEY MAY BE HAVING. BUT ONE OF

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SO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR WORK. SO I WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING, I DO REALIZE THE IRONY OF US THANKING EVERYBODY FOR THEIR WORK, AND LISA AND MELISSA ARE OVER THERE GOING.

OUR WORK HAS JUST STARTED. WE. AND DO WANT TO POINT OUT MELISSA, WHO HAS BEEN DRIVING THE SHIP FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND JUST DID A FANTASTIC JOB. JUST NO HICCUPS. AND AND, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE STRESS THAT THAT YOU GO THROUGH OF, HEY, HERE'S THE NUMBERS. AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THOSE WORKED FOR ABOUT 12 SECONDS. NOW DO THIS. AND THEN WE, WE GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. SO THANK YOU JOB, JOB WELL DONE. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU. AND TO. SO ON TUESDAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SECOND DRAFT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIST OF YOUR REVISIONS. AND SO WHEN YOU VOTE ON THE BUDGET, YOU'LL VOTE ON THE THE THE CURRENT DRAFT TO THE REVISIONS. AND THEN WHEN YOUR BUDGET GETS POSTED ONLINE, THE APPROVED BUDGET, IT WILL HAVE EVERYTHING DRAWN INTO IT, BUT SORTED. BUT THERE'LL BE A LIST THAT WE CAN PUBLICLY POST OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON. GOT IT. I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND POST THE REVISION PAGE. I AGREE, I AGREE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.